Rep. Mike Castle Fends Off the Birthers

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Monday, July 20, 2009 at 8:57 am

I got a little friendly fire from my friend and colleague Matt Welch over last week’s article on the Obama birth certificate conspiracy. He took issue with my “contention that the movement ‘dogs Republicans’ (there being so very many other issues that have more bite than a few barkers).”

A little evidence that this conspiracy theory is showing up in uncomfortable situations for Republicans: Here’s Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.), a moderate Republican who hasn’t announced whether he’s running for re-election or for the U.S. Senate next year, at a town hall meeting earlier this month.

A woman gets up, holding a baggie containing her birth certificate, and unleashes a rambling, minute-long tirade about how the president is a “citizen of Kenya.” The crowd hoots and cheers when she’s done. Castle responds, diplomatically: “Well I don’t know what comment that invites. If you’re referring to the president, then he is a citizen of the United States.” That elicits roars and boos from the crowd, so Castle presses on. “You can boo, but he is a citizen of the United States.”

So here’s one of the least conservative members of the House GOP conference, in a state that gave the Obama-Biden ticket 62 percent of the vote, and he has to deal with the angry howling of birthers.

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Chad S
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vQvcEjZk_0

(not Dave or Rep. Castle lol)


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Gerard Plourde
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Unfortunate that this woman doesn’t know that her hospital certificate signed by the doctor and hospital administrator is not a legal document and cannot be used to establish identity or citizenship. Only a certified birth record issued by the state (just like Obama’s) does that.


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lkt
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

LOL! That describes these “birthers” to a tee!


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[...] A little evidence that this conspiracy theory is showing up in uncomfortable situations for Republicans: Here’s Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.), a moderate Republican who hasn’t announced whether he’s running for re-election or for the U.S. Senate next year, at a town hall meeting earlier this month. READ MORE… [...]


lkt
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Hey, Dave, who the heck is PeeBo? What on earth is that supposed to mean?


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

Long-form birth certificates provide the names of the hospital and the doctor. Simple huh?


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Unstable Isotope
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

I live in Delaware. One thing that isn't mentioned is that there is already an announced Republican candidate for the Senate seat, Christine O'Donnell. O'Donnell is a perpetual candidate, but is acceptable to the base. I don't know how much of the base is made up of the fringe and how much is the more moderate types, since a lot of moderates changed parties to vote in the Democratic gubernatorial primary last year.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

WARREN G HARDING WAS BELGIAN!


David Weigel
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

President Barack Obama. Yeah, it's odd, but it's not my video.


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CestWhat
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Sadly, I actually have read Dr. Orly Taitz's Blog and the thing about the Birthers is even with whichever form of Birth Certificate you have, it won't be enough. Barack Obama, Sr. was a British subject and therefore so was his son and for some reason doesn't make him American? This ignores Woodrow Wilson, Chester A. Arthur and James Buchanan who had one British subject parent and Andrew Jackson, which both parents were British subject. Then his Indonesian step-father adopted him (without any a hint of proof beyond using his name when he age 6) and he give up his U.S. citizenship. Even adoption in a foreign nation by a foreigner doesn't require Americans to give up citizenship, especially as his mother was still American. Or (one of my favorites of Dr. Taitz) that because his mother and him moved to Seattle a month AFTER his birth, he was therefore born in British Columbia, Canada.

When you've got a dozen completely different theories to prove the same point, it's a bit of a hint that it's just made up.


captainsteve
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

obamabots. . .ask yourselves:

why doesn't he show the long-form?

doesn't that bother you? if not, you really are twisted.

If Obama has a long-form, why doesn’t he show it? If he doesn’t have one, why not? People that hide things, usually have something to hide. He works for us. We have a right to know! We have a right to demand it!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to send a message to Obama and to EVERY OTHER POTENTIAL VIOLATOR OF OUR RULE OF LAW!!!!!!!!!!!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o

.


captainsteve
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

Conservatives need to throw every Republican bum that refuses to investigate this issue out of office.


prsmith
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

Yes, he did and a lousy job he did of it too.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

“We have a right to know!”

That remains to be seen, and so far the courts don’t agree with you, at least to the extent that it is very doubtful that any court will compel Mr. Obama to produce his birth certificate for your perusal. And it has absolutely nothing to do with his office. He has the same right to privacy that you do, a little less actually since he’s a public figure, but still. Just because you’re willing to wave your birth certificate around in public doesn’t mean that I have a right to see it or I can get the courts to compel you to show it to me.

“We have a right to demand it!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Under the First Amendment, yup, you can say all manner of nonsense. But that doesn’t give you some special entitlement to be recognized, as you seem to feel.

The birther movement reminds me of UFOologists, although I’m sure that there are some UFOologists who will complain about the comparison.

I’m an adoptee, I have an amended birth certificate that is a tissue of lies. It states that it is a certificate of live birth and lists my adoptive mother as having given birth to me, which is a blatent falsehood. Yet, it is the foundational document of my legal identity. As someone who has thought long and hard over the unreliability of state issued birth certificates as identifying documents, I find the birthers arguments circular and, in the end, silly. It’s a pity Diane Arbus isn’t around to photograph them…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

“We have a right to know!”

That remains to be seen, and so far the courts don’t agree with you, at least to the extent that it is very doubtful that any court will compel Mr. Obama to produce his birth certificate for your perusal. And it has absolutely nothing to do with his office. He has the same right to privacy that you do, a little less actually since he’s a public figure, but still. Just because you’re willing to wave your birth certificate around in public doesn’t mean that I have a right to see it or I can get the courts to compel you to show it to me.

“We have a right to demand it!!!!!!!!!!!!”

Under the First Amendment, yup, you can say all manner of nonsense. But that doesn’t give you some special entitlement to be recognized, as you seem to feel.

The birther movement reminds me of UFOologists, although I’m sure that there are some UFOologists who will complain about the comparison.

I’m an adoptee, I have an amended birth certificate that is a tissue of lies. It states that it is a certificate of live birth and lists my adoptive mother as having given birth to me, which is a blatent falsehood. Yet, it is the foundational document of my legal identity. As someone who has thought long and hard over the unreliability of state issued birth certificates as identifying documents, I find the birthers arguments circular and, in the end, silly. It’s a pity Diane Arbus isn’t around to photograph them…


birfers are smurfers
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

They’ve done a good job of verifying that you’re mentally ill, King Birfer.


birfers are smurfers
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

They’ve done a good job of verifying that you’re mentally ill, King Birfer.


Freedom Fries
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

RONALD REAGAN WAS A MEXICAN!!!


Dallas Dave
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

Where were these lunatics when Dubya was pretending to be a Texan? He was born in Connecticut, educated in Massachusets, and “summers” in Maine. He's the ultimate imposter. THERE'S YOUR FRAUD, PEOPLE!!!


Ryan
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

these folks are loony


BlueIA
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

I was born in Hawaii and have a “short form” birth certificate COPY. Is my citizenship now in question because of the ridiculous claims regarding President Obama's?

BTW steve-o, try calling the state in which you were born and see what kind of birth certificate copy you can get. My guess is it won't be a “long” form!


mgl
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Apparently, the more exclamation marks one uses , the legitimate the screed. 12 must mean it's really really really–you get the idea–true.


andrewDover
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

This is so silly, but for those want facts:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…


mat1492
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

I only have a certificate of live birth too! It is what they give children born in Military hospitals in the US! Idiot!


joshquasimoto
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

This women says she wants to take her country back? Take her country back to where? Where was her outrage when President GWB decided to explode the national debt? Where was her outrage when she found out that the US had been led into Iraq based on bad intelligence, which even at the time was disputed by those within our own intelligence community and if that was bad many foreign intelligence agencies from our allies thought this evidence was a fraud? Where was her outrage when she found out that over 100 detainees had died in US custody? Where was her outrage when 3 years into the war with Iraq there was still little hopeful signs for progress? Sure we can all cheer Gen Petraeus adn the awakening councils actions in Iraq, but where was her outrage?

Something tells me there are any number of issues which she and many others will not willingly address that truly tells us where their outrage is coming from. It may not be that he is an African American, or it might be. But what is truly ironic, is that this women, seems to know very little about birth certificates and what sort of paperwork is required. You see depending on the state you were born in, depending on the date you were born the paper work given at birth can be quite different. In Hawaii the personal information may be different, however at the end of the day the seal must be official which in Obama's case it is.


marianneusa
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

To Joshquasimoto! GWB did not bow down to a ugly Arab King, GWB did not apologize for America, Obummer said he would be transparent, where is the Birth Certificate. You are compairing Apples to Organges. Hopfully Obama and Bush will be cell mates one day. Obama cares nothing for you Josh. the only black part of Obama is his heart. You better wake up.

Cherokee woman


JohnVA
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Unfortunately, these birthers have already decided that it's all fake and no amount of facts are going to change that. I'm amazed at just how stupid and crazy these birthers are; but let them say what they need to say and continue to drag down the republican party.

My greatest concern is that some wingnut birther will think they are doing the patriotic thing and make an attempt on the President. This terrifies me so much more the simple racists who hate him for his race; these birthers have taken their racism and idiocy to another level that could enable them to somehow rationalize violence; I pray not!


This is ridiculous
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Um, Cherokee Woman,

You should look at this. After you look at it and decide that it's all propaganda, you should reinforce your tinfoil hat. Maybe look into titanium….

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…


JohnVA
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Cherokee woman… click on the link below your post. It contains everything you need to know about Obama's birth certificate.


RobertSeattle
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

Must have been serving some Haterade at that town hall.


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David
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

President Obama has shown his birth certificate online already. A couple of media organizations have flown to Hawaii and declared it's authenticity. The Republican governor of Hawaii has done the same.
Tell me this, ifthere was no birth certificate or it was false, why didn't McCain's campaign operative team find out? Better yet, why didn't Bush's administration (including his VP Cheney) uncover it? Why has the GOP failed in uncovering your 'truth'? That's one huge failing on the part of McCain, Bush, Cheney and the entire GOP party.

Rep. Castle seems to among the few in that party with common sense. You need to wake up.


fluffy17
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

I assume the President actually has a US Passport???? He's been out of the country both befoe and after the election. Ergo he is a citizen.

If you disagree stuff your head up your butt and shout or STFU.


Helen
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

God bless this woman and God bless Sarah Palin! We'll get this fake Kenyan out of the whitehouse yet!


RobertSeattle
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

At the conclusion of all this birther business, birthers will still hate President Obama and President Obama will still be President.


joshquasimoto
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

You do not know me! But I know a little about you now, as you said, “the only black part of Obama is his heart”, do you have vision issues. I have seen Obama wear black shoes, a black suit, I have even noticed his black hair, yet you say you have seen his heart, do you have X-ray eyes?


RobertSeattle
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

You betcha – on January 20th, 2017!


SethlandPony
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Have you ever seen GWB's birth certificate? If you found out GWB was a citizen of Canada all this time, would you even care? Would you be outraged? What is the root of your concern? My guess is it's that you're not a big fan of people of ethnicity being in charge. BOOOHOOOO.


yowser
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Whack jobs. I want to see that gal's certificate of sanity.

I suspect that the pledge was not to the flag, but to the idea of a white America.

Why don't we just unload Alabama on them, and offer incentives to move there. Let's see how they do when there aren't any US military bases or pork projects to employ these otherwise unemployable people.


David Weigel
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Are you suggesting that there might be a rise in right-wing extremism? That's crazy talk, and you hate America. :)


joshquasimoto
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Oh and I forgot, If you are a Cherokee woman, then does everyone in your family have a birth certificate? I have a friend named Melany, who is full blood Chippewa, and her grandmother never had a birth certificate as she was born on a reservation back in the late 1800's. It was hell getting a driver's license, but many understanding government bureacrats helped her get a social security card as well as a driver's license back in the late 20's.


stevenieve
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Helen, you are a crazy-ass sore loser.


kimbanyc
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

The only thing fake in this debate is what passes for ” birthers ” brains


happycozy
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:46 am

Yeah, and if he does, you pathological wackos will find something wrong with the birth certificate. It’s doesn’t use the right punctuation of that time. The seal looks suspicious. How do we know this is the baby Obama mentioned in the birth certificate–Obama has a white twin? Obama was adopted by his step-father, so he’s still not a U.S. citizen…blah…blah…blah. Obama won’t play this game because he can’t with you nutters.


happycozy
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:46 am

Yeah, and if he does, you pathological wackos will find something wrong with the birth certificate. It’s doesn’t use the right punctuation of that time. The seal looks suspicious. How do we know this is the baby Obama mentioned in the birth certificate–Obama has a white twin? Obama was adopted by his step-father, so he’s still not a U.S. citizen…blah…blah…blah. Obama won’t play this game because he can’t with you nutters.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

CAPZ
LOCKE
POSSE!!!


stevenieve
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Steve, you are the captain of a ship call Lunacy. If you are so interested in the rule of law take this opportunity to call for full investigations of torture, domestic spying, etc. What, you onl;y care about dumb stuff? Have fun sailing the Lunacy wherever it takes you, nutbag


jgk
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Wow.

1) The two major Hawaii newspapers in 1961 published birth announcements.
2) Since Obama's mother is a U.S. Citizen, he is BY LAW a U.S. citizen no matter where he was born. Period.
3) No one has ever produced a piece of paper claiming he had dual citizenship, ever.
4) Even if he once had dual citizenship, he is still a U.S. citizen by birth because his MOTHER IS FROM KANSAS(!!!)
5) The REPUBLICAN Gov. of Hawaii, who was a major player in McCain's campaign, could have and would have used this issue IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE. Linda Lingle, Republican gov. of HI, has said she has seen the original and this is a non-issue.


tomseaview
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

Speaking of Unstable… you mention Christine O'Donnell, who will never be elected to any office because she is a gibbering IDIOT. She will never get more than 33% of the vote in an election. The only time she gets to play “candidate” is when Delaware's Republican Party can't be bothered to produce a REAL candidate… like running against Joe Biden for Senate.
She is a religious nutbag — like Sarah Palin, but worse (ugly AND dumb).


thefold-Chris
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

What to do when it all hits the fan? Good thing they are Revolutionaries!


redhypocrit
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

the gop cant hide their racist bigotry! therefore…death to the gop!


Jilli
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

You have to be some kind of stupid to believe this nonsense. Do you honestly think the republicans or the Clintons for that matter wouldn't have been all over this in the lead up to the election if it were true?

Some people are gullible enough to believe anything. Then they wear their ignorance and stupidity like badges of honor. Wouldn't it just be easier to admit that you don't like having a black president?


24DickHeadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

This guy is a Commie and a Negro-lover. I love America, and I love you too, Dave. You make Orly Taintz look like tainted beff.

Baby, please come home.


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continuum
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

Showing proof to the birthers is a complete waste of time.

These nutjobs merely gnore all facts and discover new dark conspiracies.

Similar to the 5,000 year old earth folks, or the intelligent designers, they have no desire to objectively consider the situtation. Their egos are now firmly cemented in this craziness, and all else is merely evidence of a Democratic-Obama conspiracy.

Rather than reasoning with the birthers, you would have more success talking to a brick wall. Additionally, a brick wall actually serves a useful purpose.


jayseverinhasasmallpenis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

'fake Kenyan'

so does that mean he is American?


Gerard Plourde
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Unfortunate that this woman doesn't know that her hospital certificate signed by the doctor and hospital administrator is not a legal document and cannot be used to establish identity or citizenship. Only a certified birth record issued by the state (just like Obama's) does that.


trollbinder
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

Do these people really think that Obama will be usurped and Joe Biden will become president. Are they just trying to sell WND bumper stickers?


lyleleander
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Someone should tell this psycho the VP ascends to the presidency if a President has to resign. You want your country back?

So she's gonna break down and embrace Joe Biden as president if her shrill, lunatic position somehow gets vindicated?

Yeah, not quite.


Yinzer
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Hey, dumbass known as captainsteve,

As the only colored kid in an all white school, Obama learned, much as I did, that the worst possible thing you can do when confronted by a bully is to submit to his demands. Obama's win was certified by the electoral college. He was duly sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. His inauguration was attended by President Bush and Vice-President Cheney. All the people who needed to be satisfied by his birth certificate have been, and that's the end of it. He does not owe you or any of the other internet birther freaks a damned thing. Goodbye, and have a nice life.


chgotchr
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

This has nothing to do with being born in Kenya. This has everything to do with Obama being black.
There would never be a birther movement if under the same type of circumstances, Obama was (in the eyes of racists) white. What if Obama's dad was a white South African who left when he was two and then died, but his mother was the same. No one would ever questions Obama's citizenship.


carlindel
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

There were progressives at that meeting planning to speak. But the republican'ts were busy attacking him. Castle is persona non grata in the republican't party in Delaware, so it is not surprising he was getting hit on this and other topics. Castle is considered a Repub. in name only in Delaware. While Dems follow his record and realize he votes against stimulus money, yet shows up at an Amtrak station taking credit for the stimulus money “he provided” for station improvements.
The birther movement conspiracy theory is ridiculous on its face when you can see the birth announcement was listed in the Honolulu Advertiser. Aside from all the other evidence. It is a huge leap from reality that a BHO was born on the same day in the same state that he claims he was born in. Its called corroborating evidence.


trollbinder
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

When the earth was formed 6,000 years ago, before they faked the Moon Landing, before they faked the fact that Sun does not revolve around the Earth, before the rib became woman, God knew that Obama was a Kenyan citizen, and that only prayer could prevent him from becoming President. So we prayed and prayed. But then Satan came down and invented this devious think called an election, and the people, blinded by Satan and perhaps too much Dr. Pepper, voted for Obama. God save us now.


mark
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Maybe someone should point out to the birthers that the Constitution contains no explicit definition of “natural born citizen,” but, of course, that wouldn't make any difference to them anyway…


trollbinder
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

Impeach Chief Justice John Roberts! He swore in Obama — TWICE!

Impeach Secretary of Defense Robert Gates – he is taking orders from Obama!

Alan Keyes for President! Keyes/Sanford 2012!


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Mageen
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

So obvious the “birthers” are using this birthplace thing to make Obama less and less human. What a sad, sorry bunch! Just as sad and sorry are those who still don't know or don't care that Hawaii is part of the U.S. as a state! To them, it will always be that island way out there in the Pacific!


mageen
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

So obvious the “birthers” are using this birthplace thing to make Obama less and less human. What a sad, sorry bunch! Just as sad and sorry are those who still don't know or don't care that Hawaii is part of the U.S. as a state! To them, it will always be that island way out there in the Pacific!


jz1
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

It makes sense for the birthers to aim their fire at fellow Republicans. If they're right and Obama is Kenyan-born, the entire GOP establishment must be in cahoots with him. Think about it, if these guys can figure out the truth, surely McCain and his camp, or Rove and his, or whoever in the GOP hierarchy HAD to know and rather than pick-off Obama in October and coast to victory, they kept quiet and got creamed.Talk about un-American. Why didn't Sarah Palin blow the whistle?


Dailyfare
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

The lady in red is a perfect example of why universal healthcare is needed – so that EVERYONE can have access to quality psychotropic drugs.


tcatherine
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

When Gallileo was developing the telescope he saw the moons of Jupiter and was able to deduce the structure of the solar system, with the sun at the center and the earth being one of the orbiting planets. He ended up on the wrong side of the ideology being taught at the time and was labeled a heretic. I read that if the average person had opened their mind to the possibility that their clerics were wrong about how the heavens behaved it would have called into question everything they accepted as truth and thrown them into severe cognitive dissonance. That is what I think is happening for many people. They follow the sources that are now preaching birther theories with a cult-like reverence as they have been doing with other ideological mantras. If one part of the “truth” they have been presented with were false they would have to question everything they have bought hook line and sinker for so long. No one wants to experience the knowledge that they have been duped. Its a terrible sensation so its easier to cling tighter to these falsehoods. What's interesting is that they usually accuse anyone who doesn't believe as they do of being brainwashed.


joe444
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

To:

Freepers…wingnuts…and those from Southwackistan…keep showing us who you are…we're watching…and we will keep track.


Joey
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Sarah is not coordinated enough to blow the whistle and wink simultaneously. Who among us is?


VJBinCT
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

I'm a little in the dark about the 'long form' of birth certificate, Captain Steve. I suppose it must include the movie and the dinner menu before the mother and stated father 'did it'. How long is your form, BTW. How do you know that, however valid the birth certificate you possess, you weren't exchanged at birth with that other Steve in the next crib?


davidweber
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

Like a dying patient whose organs are dying one by one, this is but one more manifestation of the death throes of the Rovian/Limbaugher wing of Right-Wingism. Persons of small intellects are able to wrap their minds around Important Papers, like their birth certificates. In their belief that Obama doesn't have an American one of his own, these pea brains can feel superior to the Negro who slipped by their historically superior defense on the way to the winning touch down. They want the play called back, but, as time goes on, they only look sillier and sillier. Their insipid brand of McCarthyism- demanding the recital of the Pledge of Allegiance- is as silly as their misplaced belief that they are part of America's Greatest Generation.

Watch these birthers and others. Like Ku Klux Klan parades of the 1980s, when those who participated still believed they were standing on some principles, while those who watched them pass saw only a bunch of skinny old men with bad hair and teeth, they are on their way to edge of the cliff. The ones in front- leaders of a sort- will be unable to stop the surge of mindless drones clamoring behind them. They will die amid smaller and smaller expressions of grief. Those in back will simply drift away into deeper meaninglessness..


Peter
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

Sounds just like the crowd at a Palin rally.


Dallas Dave
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

LOU DOBBS IS A COSTA RICAN!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:56 am

Because you won’t listen to reason or accept the truth. Your racism, bigotry, bias and paranoia are harming this country. Your perverse unwillingness to see reason is destroying the ability of the GOP to correct itself and serve as a suitable check to Democratic power, which is now being coopted by the corporate lobbyists who run Washington. The crazier and more extreme you become, the less credible you are, and the less likely that the political party which must serve as a check on its opposite will recover before the balance is driven too far the other way. It was bad enough when the GOP ran all three branches-we got near fascism. Your craziness may help ensure that the Democrats could have unchecked power in all three branches as Scalia and his fascist buddies aren’t getting any younger.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:56 am

Because you won’t listen to reason or accept the truth. Your racism, bigotry, bias and paranoia are harming this country. Your perverse unwillingness to see reason is destroying the ability of the GOP to correct itself and serve as a suitable check to Democratic power, which is now being coopted by the corporate lobbyists who run Washington. The crazier and more extreme you become, the less credible you are, and the less likely that the political party which must serve as a check on its opposite will recover before the balance is driven too far the other way. It was bad enough when the GOP ran all three branches-we got near fascism. Your craziness may help ensure that the Democrats could have unchecked power in all three branches as Scalia and his fascist buddies aren’t getting any younger.


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Name
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

They dont care whether he has a valid birth certificate or not, they just want him out of office. If there was no “birth certificate controversy” they would instead find some other way to claim he shouldn't be in office.

There is no amount of evidence/proof that will let them think Obama's birth certificate is real, they have already decided it's fake, and any evidence to the contrary must be faked.


BOB2
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

The nut cases that have been let into the Republican Party, clearly confuse the Party of Lincoln, with the Party of John Lincoln Rockwell, former leader of the US Nazi Party? The Southern Strategy of Nixon, with the message managed by the likes of Pat Buchanan, successfully brought the Southern White Supremacist's to the Republican Party, and now they are taking over.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

If you trust Weigel's coverage, guess what: Dave Weigel's quote source refused to confirm the impression Weigel was trying to give.

And, here's a challenge to Weigel: quote the exact portion of HI's statement in which they confirm he was born there. Don't quote the whole thing, quote the specific part where they confirm that.


Jordan Graf
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:19 am

Perhaps it’s because the longer he can keep you guys sounding like lunatics, the better off he is…


Jordan Graf
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:19 am

Perhaps it’s because the longer he can keep you guys sounding like lunatics, the better off he is…


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Of course they verified the info, you idiot. That's what they do when they issue a certificate.


makome
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

guess what…it doesn't matter where the hell Obama was born. He could have been born on the freakin' MOON. You know why? Because his mother was an American citizen, therefore HE is an American citizen. The place of his birth has NO bearing on proof of his citizenship at ALL! SO FREAKS PLEASE STFU!!!!


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Yet another sockpuppet, wasting everyone's time. If you think they've verified something, explain exactly what you think it is.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

Even if what you were saying were true, that's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm attempting to show that the MSM, FactCheck, et al have been lying about this. When Weigel is finally forced to admit that he's been spreading disinfo for months, his career is going to be over.

Let me explain what might happen: when the MSM gets tired of BHO, they'll start writing “New questions arise about BHO's past” articles. At the same time, they'll cover their asses for what they've said in the past.

Patsies like Weigel will be left holding the bag. In his case, the bags he'll be dealing with will have the McDonald's logo on them.


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Oh, by the way, the person you spoke to is the communications director. Of course she doesn't verify the info herself. The fact that you think that's her job shows how idiotic you are.

However, Hawaii's Health Department director, Chiyome Fukino, has said this:

“Therefore I, as director of health for the state of Hawaii, along with the registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

The registrar of Vital Statistics is the office that verifies info and issues certificates. They have been verified.


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

They verified that Obama's records are on file and have been handled in accordance with state policies and procedures. Those procedures include verification of info when issuing a certificate. Both the Republican appointed state health director and the registrar of Vital Statistics have confirmed. It's not hard to understand, unless you're a deranged birther.


billthegreat
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Yer a 24 hour a day dildo…………………………..no question about that


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

Weigel and I spoke to the same person. She refused to confirm the impression that Weigel was trying to make by quoting her. That doesn't speak to Weigel's credibility.

Regarding your quote, that's what I linked above.

All she says is they have a cert on file.

She didn't say he was born in HI.

She didn't say what's on file matches what's on his site.

Can you understand basic English?


peterprinciple
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

But not as bright.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

OK, let's try this again.

HI has a law against revealing private information, including that on birth certs. That includes verifying matches.

If officials from HI have verified that BHO was born there, then haven't they broken the law?

(The answer is: they didn't break the law, because they didn't verify he was born there. All they said is they have a valid cert on file. They didn't say anything about what's on the cert.)


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

They verified that Obama's records are on file and have been handled in accordance with state policies and procedures. Those procedures include verification of info when issuing a certificate. Both the Republican appointed state health director and the registrar of Vital Statistics have confirmed. It's not hard to understand, unless you're a deranged birther.


yowser
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

Good point. I my mother birthed me in Canada (not far from where I grew up) if she was a resident of the US, I would be a resident of the US.

So, do I understand that military personnel stationed overseas who go birthing off base are breeding aliens?

I'm afraid that all of this ridicule is going to stop the birthers. As far as I'm concerned, the more people who come out as a GOP racist, whack-jobs, the more likely the party will stay out of power.

You reap what you sow, babe.


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

They verified that Obama's records are on file and have been handled in accordance with state policies and procedures. Those procedures include verification of info when issuing a certificate. Both the Republican appointed state health director and the registrar of Vital Statistics have confirmed. It's not hard to understand, unless you're a deranged birther.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

And, nothing that you mention precludes them having a cert on file that indicates an out-of-state or out-of-country birth.

Hawaiian state law allows children born outside Hawaii get valid Hawaiian birth certificates (S. 338-17.8).

The two false objections raised by BHO cultists are:

1. The law was passed in 1982. Yet, the law refers to those living outside the territory of HI. In other words, when the law was passed doesn't matter: it was retroactive and would include BHO.

2. The picture of a cert on BHO's site says he was born in HI. Yet, that's just a picture and hasn't been verified.

Bear in mind that BHO cultists are as bad as other cultists: they'll say anything to avoid acknowledging that Xenu is a myth.


peterprinciple
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

The best way to describe the crowd in this video would be: senile lynch mob.


adrianrf
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

I have a green card; I was born in Britain, and live in Oregon. if you ask the State of Oregon's Registrar of Vital Statistics (or functional equivalent by title) if the Oregon “State Department of Health has [my] original birth certificate on record” they'd of course answer “no”. that's in Britain.

the President's birth certificate IS on file in HI – because — and ONLY because — he is a US citizen.

this is only an issue for you (and the rest of the small handful of crazed Birthers) because you are not only NUTCASE RIGHTWING RACISTS, but you have a major case of clinical paranoia to boot.

you eejut fruitloop maroon!


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

And, nothing that you mention precludes them having a cert on file that indicates an out-of-state or out-of-country birth.

Except for the fact that his birth certificate, issued by the state, says he was born in Honolulu. Dipshit.


AdrianBrowne
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

The rule we have is that Congressional leaders sign off on the eligibility of their political party's candidate. Nancy Pelosi did that:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9344926/Hawaii-Dems-a…

Obama is eligible BECAUSE Nancy Pelosi certified it. She can use any evidence she wants to when determining Obama's eligibility.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

I have a picture on my website of a $100 bill. I'll give it to you after you mail me five $20s. Deal?

What's that? You now understand the difference between a picture of a thing and the thing itself? You now realize that the picture on BHO's website has never been verified by the issuing agency?

Good for you.


truth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:49 pm

yes and his mother took him to indonesia where he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather and at that very moment he lost his natural born citizenship.

why is it you folks have to scream?


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

What Weigel doesn't understand – but might after he rises to assistant night manager at the Manassas McDonald's – is that the Beltway establishment thinks of people like him like the guys on Star Trek in the red shirts: expendable. They'll cut him loose in a split second and join together to cover their asses.

By consistently spreading disinfo, Weigel is putting his career at far greater risk than if he simply told the truth.


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

You now understand the difference between a picture of a thing and the thing itself?

So what, you want the president to personally deliver a copy to you? Why aren't the words of the state health director, the Republican governor, and several journalists who have personally viewed the document good enough for you? You aren't getting a personal visit.

You now realize that the picture on BHO's website has never been verified by the issuing agency?

They issued the document. Why do they need to verify it afterwards?


David Weigel
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

Wrong – Janice Okubo has said that the “Fight the Smears” COLB is “a valid Hawaii state birth certificate.”


truth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

Most importantly she said absolutely nothing about that COLB that is posted in factcheck & politifact websites. FightTheSmears website that was established specifically to deal with the birth certificate issue has been taken offline. Poof! Gone! Why?

Dr Fukino's spokeswoman – JANICE OKUBO – who was sent a copy of that exact COLB that barry supplied for KOS, Factcheck & Politifact looked at it with the official Hawaiian registrar (the person who certifies it with the seal) and both said they had no way of telling if that COLB was authentic.

OKUBO: Still, she acknowledges: “I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

June 27, 2009
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

Could you stop lying for a minute?

Later on the very same page, Okubo is quoted as saying, “I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

That's some witness you've got there, counselor!

For another example of her spreading disinfo, see this.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

In case anyone missed it down below, Weigel links to this.as proof.

What he fails to note is that, later on the very same page, the person he's turning to for “proof” is quoted as saying, “I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”


truth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

No, it is not hard to understand – when you understand the entire issue.

What is in the vault — what Dr Fukino certifies as legit — has been in no way connected to the COLB on the websites. The two exist as independent documents. And Dr Fukino's spokeswoman and the official registrar could not vouch for the COLB barry provided. Look above for link.

Why the need for name calling?

Why do you think you know who barry is?

Why doesn't a man proclaiming transparency need to be subpoenaed to provide rudimentary documents that other presidents have voluntarily provided?

Why is he hiding his birth, school and most importantly medical records?

Why doesn't he just release a copy if everything is legit?

Why is he still fighting cases in court when they would all go away with his release of his birth certifiCATE?

And why do you think you know more than people who have been following this issue for over a year?


Kelvin Phillips
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

My god 24AheadDotCom, you are just losing your mind over the fact that a Black man is governing the people of the United States! Nothing anyone says will change your mind because you are just shivering in fear that Barack Obama is now called Mr. President! Because that is the only real reason birthers really go on about Obama's residency. This is to mask the underlying hatered, that a black man (who for some unknown reason is supposedly inferior to whites) is president. Why don't you just admit that you are prejudiced against minorities of color?


David Weigel
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Right, she's saying that while verifying that the image is a valid Hawaiian birth certificate. Please stop lying and taking this woman out of context, Chris.


truth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

There is absolutely no proof that they issued it.

None.

There is no evidence that it was certified by the issuing agency since the entire back side of the document was not provided and just a close up of a seal was provided.

Why do you think you know more about this than folks following this over a year?

This is not a bunch of crazies – well some are – but not all.
citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com are not affiliated with anyone.

Why don't/haven't you wondered to yourself why he just doesn't release it?

All of this would go away…if it was legit.

It's the one question none of you folks can answer.


truth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

There it is.

The tired old argument of racism.

Get a grip and get current. Even the most fierce anti-birthers gave up on that months ago because of the sheer idiocy of it.


truth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Please stop a minute and read her exact words from the politifact website.

“I guess the big issue that's being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn't see those things.”

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”

Still, she acknowledges: “I don't know that it's possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

Her conclusion was that yes, it looked identical, but she could not say that in a court of law.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article…


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

That's good enough for BHO cultists like Weigel!


truth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

All Obama has to do is release his actual birth CERTIFICATE.

That is all the evidence that is required.

That is all that was asked for and he refused and thus started the lawsuits.

There is only one reason why this is still an issue: because Obama won't end it.

Why?


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Hello new anti-birthers. I think we may lose this fight after all. I just read that they are calling in the big guns. Yes Pat Boone has joined the birthers. We are doomed. So long it's been good to know you.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:32 pm

OK, let's try something simple.

Weigel's favorite quote source, HI DOH spokeswoman Okubo, is quoted by Politifact as saying: “There's only one form of birth certificate,” she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s.

Yet, there are two entirely different forms posted here, and the owner of the first claims to have received it in 1998.

Can what Okubo says be trusted?


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

Also, I sent an email to the author of that Politifact piece but he never responded. You'd think, since I'm the third Google result for his name + Politifact, if he thought I were mistaken he'd want to set the record straight.


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

Can what Okubo says be trusted?

Yes, but what WND says cannot.


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

Perhaps Polifact doesn't have time to respond to nutball conspiracy theorists.


RobertSeattle
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

24AheadDotCom,

You are like trying to debate a creationist – all you do is harp on petty errors along the way but completely ignoring the overwhelming evidence – that President Barrack Obama is a natural born citizen of the United States. His Mother was a US Citizen so he is a US Citizen – end of story. And trying to incite dissension in the ranks of the US Military in time of war – what would you have said about that 8 months ago?


truth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

I don't know anything about you Mr Weigel or this paper/website nor am I a political person. As a fellow American in a difficult economy, you might want to take just a moment to think why this is still an issue. The only reason it is still an issue is because Obama has refused to end it. No amount of propaganda, theories of political motivation, racist and other name calling is going to change that fact. Had Obama produced his actual birth certificate when he was first asked for it – the matter would have ended. He did not. Why? He has not. Why? He continues to fight the release of his birth certificate in court. Why?

Is your personal reputation and employment worth defending someone you, personally, know nothing about?


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

And once again, the document has been viewed by several journalists, and the Hawaii state health director and registrar of vital statistics (both, again, appointed by the Republican governor) have verified that Obama's original birth records reside in the state, and that everything has been handled in accordance with Hawaii law and procedures. Those procedures include getting the information for the issued certificate from the original records.

While birther nuts may expect the president to personally deliver a state-issued certificate to each of them, it ain't going to happen. And the moon landing was real, too, folks.


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

The only reason it is still an issue is because Obama has refused to end it.

No, the reason is birthers are mentally disturbed, and will never be satisfied.

Had Obama produced his actual birth certificate when he was first asked for it – the matter would have ended.

He did that. Last summer.

He continues to fight the release of his birth certificate in court. Why?

No, his lawyers continue to file motions to dismiss (a very easy and standard procedure) frivolous lawsuits brought by mentally disturbed individuals with no standing or evidence.

Is your personal reputation and employment worth defending someone you, personally, know nothing about?

The fact that you think we know nothing about Barack Obama reveals how very removed from reality you are. Crazy ass birther.


truth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

RobertSeattle -

Why hasn't/doesn't the Commander in Chief just release his birth certificate?

It is because he hasn't that there is dissension in the ranks.

How do you defend a CiC who won't produce something that would directly benefit morale and cease and desist the dissension?

Military and/or civilians are not the cause of the dissension – the CiC's resistance to end the controversy is and there is no way around it.


John Clark
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Obama's adoption by Lolo Soetoro poses a bigger problem that his mysterious unrevealed birth certificate. As neither the US or Indonesia permitted dual citizenship at that time, he automatically lost any claim to US citizenship at that time. Without producing naturalization records, he is an illegal alien and deserves to be deported after serving hard time for fraudulently living here, passing the bar, practicing law, occupying Illinois state office, the Senate and the oval office.

The birth certificate is just the beginning of the brown smelly stuff hitting the fan.


truth
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

Barack Obama has never produced his birth CERTIFICATE. The fact that you write that proves you do not know this issue and nothing more needs be said.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

The provenance of the putative legal document from which the FactCheck and DailyKos computer graphic images were allegedly scanned in June 2008 has emphatically NOT been demonstrated.

Given that those JPG images are literally all ANYBODY has as “proof” of our Mombasa Messiah's “native-born” American citizenship status, one would think that the drones at the Obama campaign and the stumblebums writing Barry's TelePrompTer copy would be falling all over themselves to get that supposed Certification of Live Birth into the hands of a panel of forensic investigators of the sort we see on all those *CSI* police procedural pornography programs, wouldn't one?

And they would've done it in June 2008, at the same time they generated those JPG images and put up that FightTheSmears.com Website which disappeared on 13 July, wouldn't they?

(( Go to http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Y35zJ5Z6Q0c… as quickly as you can to find the Google cache of the now-404'd FightTheSmears.com Web site. Save the page! It's of historical value now. ))

If that COLB is worth as much as the paper it's supposed to have been printed upon, and if it existed in June 2008 to be scanned into those JPG images, why hasn't Barry coughed it up? I could see him maundering about how his copy of his “long form” birth certificate had gone astray (that sort of thing happens, y'know), and that the COLB was the only document he could expeditiously get from the government of the state of Hawaii, but how does that explain his palpitating, sweating reluctance – to the tune of nearly a million bucks in legal expenses – to whip out that piece of paper and show it to somebody other than those J-school Annenberg Foundation jerkwads at FactCheck?

If, indeed, said coterie of Obamaphile Messiah-suckers at FactCheck ever saw a real print-on-paper, signed and sealed state of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth for their Mulignane Mahdi in the first place. Not like they're either trustworthy or credible witnesses as to such a document's validity, are they?

Barry's looking up at the blade of the guillotine, folks. Time to yank the pin and let it drop.


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

Yes, he did. If you are trying to quibble about the title at the top of the document (i.e. A “Certification of Live Birth” is not a “Birth Certificate”), take your idiotic arguments somewhere where people are as braindead as yourself. As has been posted many times on this site (including right here on this thread) and all over the damned internet:

“They're just words,” said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. “That (what was posted on the Internet) is considered a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii.”

“There's only one form of birth certificate,” she said, and it's been the same since the 1980s. Birth certificates evolve over the decades, she said, and there are no doubt differences between the way birth certificates looked when Obama was born and now.

“When you request a birth certificate, the one you get looks exactly like the one posted on his site,” she said. “That's the birth certificate.”

So yes, he did. That's all there is to be got. Go sell stupid elsewhere.


lvlle
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

Amazingly, big words don't seem to disguise your bigoted idiocy…


David Weigel
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

So: Your position is that the Obama campaign forged a document and the government of Hawaii is just repeatedly lying to reporters and saying that the document isn't forged. OK. Keep on moving those goalposts.

I really hope that no DMV or bank ever asks a Birther for the proof they demand from Barack Obama. “Sorry, sir — how can you proof that this deed to your house isn't forged?”


David Weigel
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

How can you “prove,” not “proof,” of course.


yowser
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

Drop the guillotine? Oh, how French!


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

“mantis” is doing yeoman work! However, I have a question. Is he saying that the long-form picture from WND (link) is faked in some way? What exactly is he claiming? That WND just made that picture up, or that they modified it in some way?


adrianrf
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

“The only reason it is still an issue is because Obama has refused to end it”

I call **BS**.

- the only reason it is “still an issue” among the frothing far-right fruitcakes like yourself is because you are:

a) bitter, under-employed, under-educated Old White People with nothing better to do with your time

b) xenophobes for whom “foreignness” ["OMG: Kenya!"] is an attack point that you think is still an acceptable prejudice to express in rational society

c) fundamentally racist — but the more “sophisticated” of you know that “OMG: he's part-African American!” is not an acceptable complaint in rational society in 2009

you know what?
this “gotta be a native-born 'Murkin” shibboleth is way past its sell-by in any case.
why the hell should we limit the country's leadership candidacy to our 0.2 billion-ish “native-born” talent pool, when ~64% of the US population has such a piss-poor education that they still can't grasp the reality of evolution? how can we possibly afford to rule out the best and brightest Europeans, Russians, Indians, and Chinese?

not to mention that for a polyglot country like this one — founded as it is on a legacy of ruthless genocide and slave labor construction — to still be insisting on nativist credentials is a bit fcking embarrassing in the first place.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

And empty whining doesn't do anything for you, putzie, but provide further proof that Barry's butt-sniffers don't provide substantive argument in these exchanges.

I like the knee-jerk “bigoted,” by the bye. Tell us how, absent his cutaneous melanin content, your Mombasa Mystery Man could've aced out The Woman With One Eyebrow in the National Socialist Party presidential primaries and therefore gotten the fascists' nomination last year. What else – apart from a past history more tenaciously “sealed” away from public scrutiny than the true identity of “Major William Martin, Royal Marines” – distinguished him from every other person standing for that office in 2008?

I'm now convinced that the Obamamaniacs qualify as a religious cult.

Good heavens, lvlle. You're worshiping a ghost.


David Weigel
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Actually, Okubo told me that Factcheck and Politifact did a “really good job” of debunking the conspiracy theories.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Sheesh, don't you watch *NCIS*? There was a bit of trivia voiced by the pathologist character to the extent (and I checked it out) that the National Socialist German Worker's Party administration of Germany's Third Reich actually killed far more people by the way of guillotine decapitation than the French have ever shortened.

Given that Barry's the leader of America's own National Socialist Party, don'tcha think that it's appropriate to picture him in a terminal encounter with “La Veuve”?


AdrianBrowne
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

Where is the evidence that Whatever-Birth-Certificate-I'm-Demanding ever existed?

The mere absence of a figment of your imagination will never be evidence of crime.


Outraged2
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

I say let the birthers have their say! And the Palin supporters too! As long as the nut job core (not even a fringe) can keep Republican townhall meetings like the one above devolving into insane shouting matches, I say “More power to them!”. Dems will keep power and the rest of us safe from these infantile insaniacs. Yeahhhhh!!!


joan Korman
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

Is he really a US citizen, Congressman Castle? I thought the President of the USA had to be a “natural born” citizen. That is a constitutional distinction and it is very different from just being a USA citizen. Otherwise we would have dual nationals in office. Obama was a dual citizen at birth because his father was Kenyan.

OOPS! I don't think that he is a 'natural born” citizen, do you?


mantis
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

“mantis” is doing yeoman work! However, I have a question. Is he saying that the long-form picture from WND (link) is faked in some way? What exactly is he claiming? That WND just made that picture up, or that they modified it in some way?

No, it's just old. They haven't given those out for quite some time.

This is like debating a creationist. They keep bringing up the same crap, over and over, as if you haven't already explained their error several times.

The procedures for documentation in the states have evolved over the years. While they may have issued birth certificates differently in the past, things change. Get over it.


Name
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:06 am

wow. you people are nuts. “i want my country back”?!?! really. go get a hobby….or several. you may think that you're on to something because some of your fellow nutjobs scream along with you at some Q&A, but the fact is the rest of the country and world will never, ever pay any attention to you. you're like the kkk, you're like the evangelical right-wing of the republican party, you're like the dittoheads: just a fringe group of nutbags. the rest of the country sees it; the rest of the world sees it. get over yourselves, move on.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:18 am

The person it belongs to (link) claims he got it in 1998. Are you saying he's a liar?

If you aren't saying he's a liar, then you're saying that Okubo was lying or wrong when she said they've only given out the short form since the 80s.

Which is it?


factoryhaus
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:21 am

While I applaud your above par vocabulary, I have to point out to you that a political party can not both be socialist and fascist…

They are inherently opposite, the former being on the far left of the political spectrum (with, to my knowledge, only communism being further left) and the latter being on the extreme right.

It seems, while your command of the English language is decent, your knowledge of history is lacking. It seems you have forgotten that the only group of people Hitler's Nazis (fascists) hated more than the Jews were the Communists (their hatred for the Commies even exceeded that for the mentally challenged, the gypsies, and the gays). If you need further examples, see Mussolini's Italy or Franco's Spain.

While your lack of attention to mid 20th century history is lacking, at best, your knowledge of late 20th century and early 21st century history is appalling. I would like to point out to you that Reaganomics, the idea that taxes and government regulation are the root of all evil, is the primary cause of today's economic catastrophe and sky high deficits.

True, Mr. Obama has added tremendously to the deficit, but simple economics tells us that that is precisely the fiscal policy one uses when faced with a recession as deep as the one we find ourselves.

So please, next time you stare at thesaurus.com to find words that are applicable, you might also pop over onto encyclopedia.com as well.


Kelly
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:27 am

What a bunch of criminaly insane nutjobs. It's scary how stupid some people can be and yet each day we see further proof that the far right has gone completely off the deep end. As they continue to be marginalized, I fully expect their anger and insanity to do nothing but increase. Lock them up before it's too late.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:30 am

You said: “yes and his mother took him to indonesia where he was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather and at that very moment he lost his natural born citizenship.”

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

A minor CAN’T LOSE HIS US CITIZENSHIP even if he was adopted.

He can only lose it if he/she renounced it him/herself.


Outraged2
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:33 am

I say let the birthers have their say! And the Palin supporters too! As long as the nut job core (not even a fringe) can keep Republican townhall meetings like the one above devolving into insane shouting matches, I say “More power to them!”. Dems will keep power and the rest of us safe from these infantile insaniacs. Yeahhhhh!!!


el loco
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:40 am

Dipshit!!!!


happycozy (felicia)
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:40 am

Why don't we call this birther movement what it is: a veiled racist attempt to delegitimize the first African American president. Why wasn't this crap ever addressed before? Because the previous presidents are all white.


mikearctor
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:40 am

That's the most pathetic thing I've ever seen or heard in my 40 years on earth.


dillonmacdonald
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:02 am

You're wrong here.

Socialism is an economic school of though that falls on a left/right economic spectrum. Fascism is not concerned with economics; it falls on a different spectrum You can be fascist and socialist, just as you can be fascist and capitalist.

The two-dimensional political compass addresses this point very well.

http://www.politicalcompass.org

This is a good definition of fascism as used in modern usage:
“a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:27 am

Actually i didn’t watch “The Spirit” movie.

From the scathing review i’m glad i didn’t.

Now Watchmen on the other hand ….


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:40 am

The Republicans are the Nationalist Socialist party, I'm afraid. They had their own Reichstag Fire (9/11), their own scapegoats (Arab Islamists instead of Jews, equal time for both Semitic groups), their own enabling acts (Patriot Act, Military Commissions act), their own totalitarian government by rigged vote (Ask Mike Connell-oops his plane crashed. Like Wellstones, and JFK Jr.s), their own secret police (Geheimat Staatspolizei, Sicherheits Dienst, homeland security and Cheney Death Squads), secret prison system, death camps (burying Taliban fighters alive in shipping crates, the 100 plus people tortured to death by the CIA/Army), autocratic dictator (W's signing statements), cast of corrupt cronies (with German names, even!), corporate cooperation and sponsorship of the government (IG Farben meet Halliburton), prisoners used as slave labor (in American prisons people work for 32 cents an hour), weak opposition unwilling to see that the right had gone drastically insane (Social Democrats).
I think if you got your copy of Bill Shirer out you'd have to agree, if you were honest, and not blinded by Obama Derangement Syndrome.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:41 am

What, you’re talking about the *movies* of Batman and the Spirit?

Well, that just blows my good impression of you, LaLee.

I’m referring to LITERATURE and you’re focused on Hollywood hackjobs. Tsk.

Meanwhile, why is it that you don’t want Barry’s supposed Certification of Live Birth (allegedly generated in 2007 and purportedly scanned into those JPG images in June 2008) dragged out into the daylight and subjected to the scrutiny of a panel of competent forensic documents examiners?

What are you afraid that your Messiah is hiding, hm?


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:41 am

That smelly stuff was your brain.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:47 am

Neurotic crazy people are what is causing this. If it wasn't his birth certificate you'd be tying Obama to the Clinton death list or the Reptilians or the Grey Aliens. The birth certificate is available for your perusal, but you persist in finding bizarre reasons not to accept that it is true. The birther crazies will go to the ends of the earth to make up twisted reasons why the craziness they love is right and important to them and it sounds just like every other mentally ill person with an obsession they can't manage without medication. Feel free to hate the guy, join the Klan, whatever, but getting proven wrong over and over is just sad and pathetic.
At least with flying saucers and bigfoot there are pictures and movies that purport to be evidence. You guys take evidence and pretend it doesn't exist first.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:48 am

Wing Nut Daily is not a trustworthy or creditable source. It is a propaganda for right wing extremists who haven't graduated to the skinhead look yet, and for Abe Simpson wannabeez who want those kids off their lawn. Home of the big gay cop mustache.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:57 am

In case anyone is wondering why there are so many lying BHO cultists on this thread, it's because it was linked from DailyKos: dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/7/20/755414/-Midday-Open-Thread

I note that “mantis” still hasn't answered my question; perhaps he figured out where I was going with my line of questioning.

If anyone wants the truth about this issue – no speculation, no tinfoil hat talk, and no attempts to mislead such as Weigel engages in – see my completely fact-based overview.


Name
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:05 am

It is not a birth certificate.

Period.

Never will be no matter how many names you call people.

You are quoting a woman who has no authority on anything. She is giving her opinion as a regular citizen. She is not the registrar. She is not Dr Fukino. But most importantly she has not seen Obama’s birth certificate.

And she contradicts herself anyway which you selectively quote. She says it looks “exactly like the one on his site” and then says “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

Can’t have it both ways.


walshj
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:12 am

Obama was born in Hawaii. Hence, he is a US citizen. He gave up his dual-citizenship when he turned 18, which is normal for children born in the US to a non-US parent.

McCain was born in the Panama Canal but I didn't hear this kind of nutcr*p from the lunatic fringe back then. Wonder why? Could it be that McCain was white?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:15 am

Now, now, sonny. The word “Nazi” is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers' Party), commonly abbreviated “NSDAP.” Look through their literature (and that of the contemporary Partito Nazionale Fascista, or National Fascist Party, of Italy) and you'll find “socialism” extolled all over the place.

One of the charming idiocies of today's socialists – or “Liberals” or “progressives” or whatever the hell you're calling yourselves this evening – is their babbling persistence in demanding that people treat them courteously because they're espousing one form of socialism instead of another. Sure, you're not a Communist. Sure, you're not a member of Khmer Rouge. You're ANOTHER kind of socialist, a kinder, warmer, gentler, NICER sort of socialist.

And when somebody like Joe the Plumber sticks his head up and challenges your Messiah, you kindly, warmly, gently, nicely go after him with pitchforks and hot tar.

Of course, if somebody refuses to pay the taxes you selectively levy upon him under the guide of “to promote the general welfare” when your real purpose is a socialist redistribution of his wealth to your own favored constituencies, then you send uniformed government goons with guns to dispossess him of his property, proscribe him, incarcerate him, and – if he is said to be “resisting arrest” – to kill him.

Kindly, warmly, gently, and nicely.

Such wonderful people are the socialists. Doing so much to us “for our own good” that you really can't tell them from the Mafia or the Crips, can you?

Well, they've gotten themselves a much better benefits package. Planners. That's the socialists. Planners.

And the one thing Socialist Party “A” hates worse than us capitalists (those of us who observe that a market free of government “picking winners” and playing dirigste games generally works better than any other kind of division-of-labor economic system) is Socialist Party “B.”

Thus the NSDAP hated the Bolsheviks, and the Democrat Party hates the Republican Party (what, you think that the Republicans are “free market” advocates? and you claim to know anything about history? Har-de-har-har!), and so on and so on and so on.

You socialist really can't get it all in one sack, can you? Never have been.

Hey, look, why don't you get over to Mises.org? They've got a whole bunch of books fully available online. You can read Ludwig von Mises' *Socialism* either in HTML or PDF. You can track down Henry Hazlitt's *Economics in One Lesson*, and plenty of political and economic history.

You can become lucidly informed and better equipped to think rationally.

And then you'll want Barry Soetoro's throat between your thumbs just as much as I do.


Name
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:18 am

And you have no way of knowing that he didn’t.
Or were you the one who broke into his passport records?


Name
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:20 am

Is that your mugshot photo?


annewilliams
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Lower Slower Delaware shows it's ignorance again. If you have ever spent any amount of time in this state it is ripe with narrow minded..poorly educated bigots.


nhrpolitic13
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Actually, Joan, the Constitution does not define “natural born citizen,” nor has it been subsequently specifically defined either statutorily or by SCOTUS. Moreover, English Common Law (understood by the Founders) would likely fall in favor of Obama. Finally – and possibly mooting the point on any account – citizenship of one parent has been sufficient to transmit status to the child for quite a while now.

As an additional side note – possibly relevant to a SCOTUS examination of the 'common understanding' of the term, should they ultimately choose to define the phrase, it is interesting to note that in the past decade Republican members of Congress have submitted or jointly-sponsored bills to provide both statutory language and constitutional amendments which would resolve this issue in favor of both President Obama, and, in fact, Governor Schwartzenager (modifying the language to allow naturalized citizens resident in the US for twenty or more years eligibility for the Presidency).


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:25 am

Nah. The Republican roots go back much further than do the socialists currently infesting the Democrat Party. Ever heard of the Whig Party? Henry Clay?

The Republicans are (and have always been) the Whig Party under another name.

Jeez, do you HAVE to be a bloody ignoramus to be an Obamaphile?

(( Why do I have to ask that question? Stupidity is as stupidity does, and stupidity, thou suckest unto the Mombasa Messiah…. ))

The Republican Party has been in the pits, corrupt and vicious and thieving and rotten to the core since before there was first a Republican Party candidate for the presidency in 1856.

At http://www.lewrockwell.com/wilson/wilson20.html you'll find a pretty decent (though manifestly jaundiced and angry) article by Clyde Wilson on the history of the Republican Party.

The Democrats pretty much sucked up the Socialist Party's platform wholesale by 1936. Just rubbed off the serial numbers and put all that crap up as if they'd invented it.

Hm. You don't know dick about socialism at all, either, do you?

Well, that's no surprise. Obamaphiles are such a treat….


texasskeptic
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:29 am

The Supreme Court was excoriated for getting involved in a political question in Bush v. Gore, and that was before Bush was inaugurated. How willing will they be to get involved in another political question months or even years AFTER Barack Obama was inaugurated president, if it came to an appeal? Would they not be risking the legitimacy of their own institution? Of course, four of the justices would have to grant writ of certiorari, and depending on how the evidence stacks up and the court cases proceed, it may not come to that.

Still, and even having read all the comments in this thread, what is there to be gained by this whole argument? If this was such a hot topic for these people, why have they not demanded original birth certificates (or whatever it is they demand) from every presidential candidate in every election since the beginning of the Republic, or the Civil War, or the 1950s and the Warren Court, or the 1970s and Nixon's Southern Strategy?

Sometimes I think that the birthers are more interested in a battle of attrition–they will cling tenaciously to their position until the opposition just tires of them and gives up trying to convince them. Or perhaps by repeating the same position loudly and often enough, it gains a veneer of respectability and even legitimacy, and ergo they have a legitimate grievance.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:38 am

I'm not an Obamaphile. Obama was the only other choice besides the dyspeptic crook and his imbecilic waterhead princess. Why not just put the gun in Uncle Sam's mouth if that is what you want to vote for?

And I have lived in socialist countries and studied Marx under socialists, who didn't necessarily buy it either. Just like the Corporate Capitalism (Diet Fascism) we have here in America. I visited the Soviet Union and was studying to be a Sovietologist before it turned out there wasn't any future in it. Nice of George HW Bush to loan them the money to keep up appearances for a few more years, but he was good at working with foreign governments against US interests and for his own (Iran, what?). FDR and the Democrats prevented America from falling into either Fascist hands (Prescott Bush, Charles Lindbergh, the Silver Shirts, you know, your buddies) or socialism, as the American socialists were too blinded by their utopian vision to see the horror that Stalin was perpetrating in the Ukraine and Russia. But you are clearly too ideologically naive and blindered to know these things or give credit where due.
Your bizarre gloss over history and politics tells me you have knowledge a mile wide and 3 mm deep. At least you seem to think you know Dick, perhaps from personal experience?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:04 am

You voted for Barry? You're an Obamaphile. Not that Crash Test Johnnie would've been any better, but when given the choice between being gang-raped by the Crips or the Bloods, there is no virtue in announcing proudly that you gave up your ass – and the lives and liberties of your neighbors as well – to the guys in the red bandannas 'cause you thought the ones on the other side smelled worse.

The objective, kid, is to get away from the rapists. If they don't give you any real choice (and they haven't in MY lifetime), and if you know that the electoral votes of your state are going to one or another of the Boot-On-Your-Neck Party candidates no matter what you do, why the hell do you bother to dignify the charade with your participation?

Look, with all your education as a sovietologist, I suspect you haven't learned the least little damned thing about monetary history, Clay's “American plan” (from which the Republicans have always drawn their campaigns for protectionism, pork, and banksterism), the rise of socialism in France and Great Britain (go online and look up Frederic Bastiat, Ludwig von Mises, Friedrich von Hayek, and Henry Hazlitt), mercantilism (look up Adam Smith, Richard Cobden and John Bright), or anything beyond the obvious ideological fan-dancing to which you've been subjected.

You're ripe for introduction to writers like Murray Rothbard and Hans Sennholz. You willing to advance your studies? You wana go further than “3 mm deep,” or are you just jerking off?

Let's start you off here: http://mises.org/literature.aspx?action=author


vwcat
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:21 am

such spoiled children. The gop just cannot deal with the fact that not only did they lose but, that they have lost the support of America.
They think this is the way to get Obama out of office. To begin with, they can't because Obama is a citizen. period. Besides, if a president cannot do his duties it is the vp who takes over. so their cherished dream of having repuke rule restored is just not going to happen.
And by the way, if anything was to happen to Obama and Biden guess what: Say hello to president Pelosi!
That should be mentioned to the crazy lunatic birthers.


RobertSeattle
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:26 am

I think I read somewhere where Birth Certificates didn't become common until the 1930's so if my history is correct, about 2/3 of the US Presidents have no Birth Certificate – Shriek! I've got the vapors – George Washington and Abraham Lincoln might have been usurpers! How did the Republic survive without such documentation?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:33 am

Yeah, I don't care about those whining Republicans, either. Phooey on them!

But when Barry-boy, your Mombasa Messiah, gets perp-walked out of the White House in handcuffs and ankle fetters and belly chains, and Hairplug Joe settles down behind that big, comfortable chair behind the Resolute Desk as our Plagiarist-in-Chief, I suspect he's going to be just a WEE bit nervous about his own status and safety.

A much less emboldened socialist he'll be, trying to unravel the tangle of constitutional questions screaming out at him as the result of Barry Soetoro's criminal usurpation of a public office he knew he wasn't qualified to run for, much less hold.

And then there's gonna be all those “What did you know, and when did you know it?” questions asked of every senior member of the Democrat Party, including not only Scranton Joe but also Nancy with the Bloodshot Eyes and Chris Dodd and Nevada Harry and….

Well, I expect there's going to be opportunities for all the little third- and fourth-tier members of America's National Socialist Party to move up as their senior colleagues either go off “to spend more time with their families” or into the federal prison population.

Hey, maybe we can nail a bunch of Republicans at the same time. I'm “bipartisan.”


Name
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:37 am

and also, do you actually think that your gop leaders — rush limbaugh, anne coulter, even sarah palin and john mccain — would have even let obama get nominated if he were not a US citizen and born here? really! how utterly stupid and racist and scary.


vwcat
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:38 am

The birthers are looking for a way to say Obama;s election is not legitimate. They could not do so with the election because Obama won by 7 points. Not a close election like the neck in neck ones of bush.
Obama was elected by the people and not the Supreme Court like bush was.
Bush came into office with a cloud over his head so, the birthers are hoping this gives them the excuse to pretend the same about Obama.
And since conservatives tend to think like spoiled children, this is about : “Well, they did it to Bush so we get to do it to Obama.” wah.
They also cannot accept that the republican reign is over, conservatism is dead and pathetic shell of what it once was (chasing out their intellectuals left the movement made up of largely ignorant old white men without a clue or ideas and turning it into a white power movement that worships Rush).
When a conservative birther says they want their country back, like that lady in the video, it means, I want white power and conservative rule back.
delusional.


vwcat
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Say hello to President Pelosi.
Ha!
Republicans are out of the White House. Deal with it.
I know you birthers are trying desperately to find some way to say Obama is not really the president simply because your boy, Bush, came into office not elected by the people but, by the Supreme court and therefore, was not seen as truly legit.
But, your fantasy is more annoying and it is just so typical of conservative thinking. That childish, well they did it first. The democrats said Bush was not legit so, why can't we do the same with Obama. wah wah.
One of the reasons your conservative movement is dead is that people grew tired of the childish and immature mindset.
and the selfishness.
You guys throw a fit because you got thrown out of office and Americans do not want or believe conservatives anymore. Your movement is dead.
Instead of accepting it, looking at how to revive your party, you spend your time throwing hissy fits and acting like drama queens.


manny
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:47 am

hey tuci78 and 24nohead you're both wack jobs, the only thing you and your fellow birthers are doing is proving what has become of the right wing of the GOP, come to think of it thanks for showing how delusional you people are


vwcat
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:48 am

which makes you wonder why no one ever ask for proof of birth place before. Only Obama.
Simply because his father is from another country.
If that is the case then, maybe I am not a citizen either and just pretending I was born here since my mother is from another country.
And never became a citizen here !
gasp!!!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Well, yeah, duh. Short of finding some moody loner with a middle name, sniper training, and a cheap mail order joke of a rifle, can you think of a better way to put Barry out of our misery?

Your Kenyan Keynesian is doing a patented “Robert Mugabe” job on the U.S. currency, he's about to inflict the biggest job-killer this side of FDR in that “health insurance” scam he's flushing through the tubes, and his puppets are already floating “Son of Stimulus,” as if what he's already done to transfer what little the taxpayers have left into the pockets of the banksters to whom he long ago sold himself.

Getting him into a nice, secure, narrow little room in Marion, Ohio, is a consummation devoutly to be wished, and to be accelerated with all possible expedition.

It's not a matter of conservatives versus “Liberals” but of consitutionalists versus you drooling Obamaphiles.

We got us a cancer in the White House. Time for a Barry-ectomy, and Allah smite the apostate!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:03 am

I'm more inclined to go with Ludwig von Mises.

See http://mises.org/books/socialism.pdf

The more weaseling modern definitions of fascism – so as to get today's socialists off the meathook they belong upon – are not only cowardly and imprecise, but quite useless.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:15 am

How the hell do you imagine that Nancy-Noogums gets to be president of these United States, cat? You planning to shoot Hairplug Joe behind the ear the moment they cart Barry off to Leavenworth, or something? That's about the only way it could happen.

Look, the moment Barry Soetoro gets hauled off to prison (or has the common decency to commit suicide), Delaware's Revenge nominates some other, even more lackluster Democrat Party wheelhorse for the Veep slot. Even with his history of brain damage, Biden's not stupid enough to select that screaming virago from San Francisco as his back-up. He might be pressed to tag The Woman With One Eyebrow, but that's about as far down the Estrogen Highway as he's likely to go.

And are you really gonna keep spinning your little Obamaphile tricycle wheels in the presumption that I bear ANY brief whatsoever for the Republicans? Jeez, it's like watching moths circling a bonfire. Haven't you stupid sonzabitches got a brain between you?

Well, no, of course not….

Look, putzie, “I” didn't get “thrown out of office” when Crash Test Johnnie and Sarahcudda failed to ace your faux noir phoney and his assassination insurance out of that Kabuki theater presentation of “America, Like You've Got a Choice?” back in November.

If the Enemy Ace (he's entitled to that because he's personally removed five serial numbers permanently from the BuAer inventory; look up his record) had won, I'd be on his ass with just as much gusto. McCain the Drain long ago proved himself a complete loss, and I have no expectation of him but more damage. The sooner he's taking the long dirt nap, the better.

But the Republicans are NOT my party. Never have been. Never could be. The best thing that can be said about them is that they're not Democrats, and that sure as hell isn't much, is it?


Bubbles
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:19 am

“One nation, under god, flew over, the cookoos nest.”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:21 am

Hm. Such pith. Such elegance. Such…

Aw, I can't keep up the tongue-in-cheek stuff. Such batpuckey.

Has little manny stayed up past his bedtime? Getting all cranky? Wants his milkey-poo and his snuggly bunny, and his nice blue blankey?

You just toddle off to bed now, manny. When you stumble across something substantive, and you want to show it to the grown-ups, you come back and we'll all gather around and say: “Aw, how cute!”

Nighty-night, little boy.


nota bene
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Actually, I think it's kind of crazy to visualize Obama going to the guillotine. I don't think it's appropriate at all. In fact, I think all you've managed to accomplish in this thread is to prove the validity of Godwin's Law (as if further proof were necessary).


LONE_STAR_TEXAN
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:31 am

Just have him produce a certificate of live birth and all this nonsense will stop. What's wrong with that?


birfers are very dumb
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:32 am

In case anyone is wondering, no, 24Ahead doesn't have a job.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:43 am

Well, I sure as hell won't stop. There's all the rest of his personal history – particularly those academic records, from Kindergarten all the way up to and including his years as an instructor at the University of Chicago's School of Law – that I want to see out from under the “seal” job he's done on them.

I figure that there's TONS of filth in Barry Soetoro's past. More than enough to tattoo him politically “Null & Void” forever, even if we can't get him dragged out of the White House, kicking and screaming, by a squad of federal marshals because he's criminally guilty of standing for a public office for which he knew he was not qualified.

And y'know what, Tex? If he were a Republican, I'd be twice as happy to Tivo the CNN live broadcast of his arrest, and play it over and over and over until the hard drive slagged.


GM52246
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:48 am

Now, in fairness to CaptainSteve, he makes an excellent point:
” captainsteve: Conservatives need to throw every Republican bum that refuses to investigate this issue out of office.”
Captain Steve, you are so, *so* right. By my count, there are a full 40 Republican Senators and 169 (178 minus 9) Republican congresspeople who are refusing to investigate this issue. Whatever you can do to get them out of office, buddy, I'm right there with you.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:51 am

Yeah, you're right. “Marionization” is probably what he'll get.

But, hey, a guy can dream, right?

And you don't know any more about Godwin's Law than the average Obamaphile knows about diddly-squat, do you?

Jeez, Wiki it up at least, why don'tcha?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

“The rule does not make any statement about whether any particular reference or comparison to Adolf Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that the likelihood of such a reference or comparison arising increases as the discussion progresses.”

Not even the correct invocation of Godwin's Law does anything to invalidate an argument in which ad Hitlerum is incorporated.

See http://www.reason.com/news/show/32944.html for a proper discussion of the erroneous employment of Godwin's Law and why such practices are invidious and without validity.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:13 am

Aw, pity the poor Republican. Corrupt, clueless, “bipartisan” in his desire to “go along to get along,” not an honest bone in his invertebrate little body, wondering what the hell he's doing caucusing with constitutionalists like Ron Paul (“Audit the Federal Reserve? Do we really want to open up that can of worms?”), his heritage firmly grounded in pork, protectionism, and sucking up to the banksters (Wiki up Henry Clay and his “American System”), what's the silly, grasping, feeble putz to do?

I say “clean 'em out!” too.

Right after we give the Democrats the “Night of the Long Knives” they've been deserving these past seventy years and more.

“Whee! Blood all over the bulkheads!”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:24 am

There's also the jet-setting gadabout ways of Barry's parents during the year he was born in Mombasa, cat. And the fact that your Milignane Mystery Man has hermetically sealed his academic records from Kindergarten through Harvard Law and beyond. And the way the government of Kenya announced back in 2007 that Barry's medical records in Kenya were being sealed “permanently, until after the U.S. elections” –

(( Like that last doesn't just raise a big red flag and shout “Fire in the hole!” to the whole friggin' world? ))

- not to mention the way he's sealed his clients' list from the years when he'd practiced as an attorney in Chicago, and his Illinois state senate records, and so damned much more about himself that you might as well say this guy's a goddam ghost.

This guy a background about as firm as that of another character in the history books.

Major William Martin, Royal Marines.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mincemeat

Hey, your Messiah is “exceptional,” right? So what are you afraid of?

Don't you want to learn EVERYTHING about him?

Don'tcha?


manny
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:30 am

Something substantive like a forged birth certificate conspiracy ? And somebody who would post about snuggly bunnies and blankies saying anything about grownups is laughable. Oh wait you're a birther, anything you'd post should be laughed at.


LaLee
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:39 am

You said: “Obama's adoption by Lolo Soetoro poses a bigger problem that his mysterious unrevealed birth certificate. As neither the US or Indonesia permitted dual citizenship at that time, he automatically lost any claim to US citizenship at that time.”

John, a minor CAN'T LOSE HIS/HER US CITIZENSHIP if he/she was adopted by a foreigner.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Ooh, manny. Mommy let you stay up a little later?

Let's see, has the little woodgie-wuddums said anything substantive…? No? Well, that's certainly no surprise.

By the way, manny, it's not Barry Soetoro's “birth certificate” that's been forged. The only “evidence” (snert! chortle!) we have that a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (COLB) was ever issued in 2007 to your Melanotic Mahdi is a couple of computer graphic images – JPGs – that were allegedly scanned from what the Obama campaign said was such a document and then e-mailed to FactCheck and DailyKos.

Hardly impartial parties, either of 'em. Slurping, slobbering Obamaphiles, of course. Did you read the gasping, awestruck prose of the J-school Annenberg Foundation jerkwads at FactCheck when they got to – omigosh! wow! – actually HOLD in their sweaty little hands the “birth certificate” of their Messiah, a holy relic of the socialist church, and (supposedly) photograph it to put yet more JPG images up on their Web site?

Has that Hawaii state COLB document – you know, the one the Obama campaign claimed to have scanned to create those ridiculously doctored computer graphic images in June 2008 – ever been subjected to evaluation by a panel of competent, impartial forensic documents examiners?

I mean, you Obama-slurpers keep insisting that the friggin' thing DID exist in June 2008. That's why you keep whining about those JPGs, right? So if it did, indeed, exist, where the puck is it now?

Has a dove descended from heaven to transport it up to Barry's daddy, who his keeping it in trust for His Only Son?

You go back to your snuggly bunny and cozy blue blankey, manny, and get yourself some sleep. Tomorrow is Tuesday, and I'll betcha Mister Softee is coming through your neighborhood.

Doesn't that make you feel all happy and tingly inside?


LaLee
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:45 am

Tuci,Obama is still POTUS no matter what you said or believe about him.


LaLee
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:49 am

You said :”OOPS! I don't think that he is a 'natural born” citizen, do you?”

No offense but it doesn't matter what you think on it because the 14th Amendment support Obama's natural born citizenship as proven by SCOTUS decision on “United States V Wong Kim Ark.”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:51 am

Yeah, sure LaLee. You just keep your fingers crossed, and your ankles crossed, and your eyes crossed, and you keep on chanting:

“Nurmee-nurmee-nurmee-I'm-not-LISTENING!”

When CNN begins the broadcast as the federal marshals come for your beloved Barry-boy, you got a phone number I can call and let you know to dial in?

Hey, if you can find out who got Michael J. that Diprivan, maybe I can have an anesthesiologist drop by and knock you unconscious for a while. That's one way to get a patient through an acute severe trauma like that.


LaLee
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:53 am

I don't need to keep my fingers crossed because it's already true and still true.

But hey if believing that makes you feel better then that's fine with me.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:04 am

Yeah, and every time you watch *Peter Pan*, I can hear you going:

“I do believe in fairies, I do, I do, I do!”

Darlin', all you've got is “believing.” All anyone has of “proof” that Barry Soetoro is qualified to hold the public office he currently usurps is a couple of Frankensteinianly factitious JPG images allegedly scanned from a print-on-paper document that he and his handlers adamantly refuse to cough up.

It was supposedly there in the Obama campaign headquarters in June 2008. Where is it now?

*Crickets Chirping!*

And the more damage Barry does to the U.S. economy, the more people are going to ram rockets up the butts of their congresscritters to nail his ass. The “birther” issue being just the most salient route to the little sphincter between Barry's buns, that's where they're gonna try hardest to stick the assegai.

But if they don't get him there, have no doubt that every other avenue of approach to his mortal guts are going to be vigorously explored.

Your Kenyan Keynesian Messiah is a friggin' disaster, LaLee. Come 'round about November – probably earlier – as his inflationist chickens come home to roost like a flock of velociraptors, even you – dear, sweet, tender, stupid LaLee – are going to be howling for his blood.

But, hey, if believing in your Mulignane Miracle Man makes you feel better….


bsod55
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:10 am

If he is a citizen, why can't he produce a valid birth certificate?


LaLee
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:13 am

Actually i don't believe in Peter Pan or fairies either.

Now Batman on the other hand …


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:18 am

Aw, LaLee. Bob O. Kane would've just kvelled to hear that of you.

So along with “the Bat-Man” and Barry Soetoro, are there any other fictitious characters in which your credulity vests?

Bob's buddy, Will Eisner, invented “the Spirit.” What's your opinion on that fanciful figure from the Golden Era?


manny
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:19 am

And i suppose he had his birth announcement in the paper forged , Oh thats right they just knew that he was going to become President someday so they better make the announcement, do you get all tingly from your delusions? Get over it.. you wingnuts lost last November.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:31 am

Look, manny, if you stay up any later, you're gonna get your little days and nights mixed up.

But if your Mommy is letting you keep on banging away at your Amiga, who am I to chide you?

Isn't it interesting that in those two microfiche records (from the *Honolulu Advertiser* and the *Star Bulletin*) there's absolutely nothing in the “Vital Statistics” sections posted online by the Obamaphiles that mentions the delivery of Dr. and Mrs. Nordyke's twin girls, whom Eleanor Nordyke has stated were born in the same hospital and on the same day when Ms.Dunham supposedly squeezed out little Barry?

Now, if one were to get into those microfiche records and expunge notification of the Nordyke delivery, there'd be just enough room….

Oh, but that's nothing you could understand, could you, manny?

The provenance and the integrity of microfiche records rather than, say, an examination of the Hawaii state Department of Health record of deliveries for that month, or of the hospital records, or – indeed – of the direct examination of Barry's putative 2007 Certification of Live Birth document (instead of a couple of hilariously patchworked computer graphic images my granddaughter could've slammed together on her school desktop) by a panel of competent forensic documents examiners…

Well, that's nothing that should bother the tousled head of a sleepy little kidlet like you, manny.

Remember, Mister Softee tomorrow! Go beddy-bye now, little boy.


manny
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:38 am

Just how many voices do you hear in your head? Be careful Obama is coming to take you away, you're on to him.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:47 am

Aw, how cute. So they took you off your ADHD meds for the summer, manny? Well, it'll give you a chance to make up the suppressed growth of stature so common with the stimulants.

Meanwhile, why don't you answer a hypothetical question, okay?

Just what is it that's giving you the nightmares you're obviously suffering at the thought that your Mombasa Messiah is going to have to cough up that 2007 Hawaii Certification of Live Birth from which his campaign flunkies had supposedly scanned those two computer graphic images back in June last year?

I mean, if it ever existed. Which everybody is getting more and more certain it never did.

Now, you're obviously below the age at which they can nail your baby bottom for collusion in the criminal conspiracy to conceal the evidence of Mr. Soetoro's felonies, and I'm sure the nice judge will let you off with something that can be expunged from your record when you reach your 18th birthday, so just calm down and confront your night terrors like a good boy.


Name
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:49 am

walshj – you just wake up from a coma? McCain's citizenship was also challenged in the courts. Donofrio and Wrotnowski were suing Obama and McCain.

And how is it you know Obama was born in Hawaii? The newspapers?


Name
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:52 am

That cache is history too. Go to obamafile.com which has been picked up by the Library of Congress or there are plenty of sites with screenshots saved.


manny
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:55 am

seems to me like you're the one with night terrors, theres a black man who's a Dem in the White House right now…. Oh my


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:01 am

Yep. “The names have been changed to protect the [guilty].”

Yet more *Twilight Zone* music to back up our continuing saga of the Mombasa Mystery Man.

Thanks for the link to the archival site. Gotta wonder what prompted the Messiah's butt-sniffers to yank that FightTheSmears.com Web site, don'tcha?

This guy's starting to smell like the Bonanno Family.

Only with less class. Once l'omerta breaks….

Jeez, I'll betcha the Democrats never figured they'd get the RICO Act rammed up their own collective prat when they passed it in 1970.


Name
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:07 am

Exactly.

And a citizen who claims transparency?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:14 am

Barry Soetoro? :Black”? Him? Hoo-hah!

That Punahau School privileged preppie prick, raised “Whiter than sour cream,” faking negritude so studiedly to keep his affirmative action status on the front burner, about as “authentically Black” as Donnie & Marie…

And you, little whiner, are trying to waggle your little pecker and whimper about my fear of “a black man who's a Dem in the White House right now”?

Oh, it is to laugh. How cute! Little manny standing up on the kitchen chair and holding his breath 'til he turns blue because his favorite fantasy character – one as carefully sculpted, puttied and sanded and spray-painted as Spider-Man or the Incredible Hulk – is really a friggin' fraud, and the grown-ups won't let him wallow in his “Hope-&-Change” unreality.

Look, manny, I heartily hate Barry Soetoro not because of the mocha tint he's so carefully cultivated but because he's a goddam socialist, a catastrophic Keynesian, and a worthless, grabby, statist sonofabitch.

He's done horrible damage to the American economy, he's on course to do even more damage, and every breath he takes is a tragic perversion of the proper use of oxygen.

If he were blond and blue-eyed and certifiably native-born, I'd still be doing everything I can to drag him down and ruin him, 'cause that's sure as hell what he's trying to do to me and mine.

And to you, too, little manny. You just haven't felt that hand he's shoved up your own personal little tochus yet. When you do – if you're still alive – you're going to be howling for his blood, too.

Why wait?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

These people believe in the book of revelation. Stop using logic man, it don’t work ’round them parts!


jesushdemocrat
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 9:42 am

Oh, Lordy! Here comes the wrench, Birthers…

I (and tens of thousands of my fellow Americans) happen to know–for a stone cold FACT–that George W. Bush isn't an American citizen *either*! He was actually born in Toronto–he's Canadian, fer chrissakes.

Even if we wanted to, we simply cannot accept any “proof” to the contrary of our contention, since you will either provide fabricated, forged, or wishful “I NEED Dubya to be American!!” messiah-worship “evidence”.

As a matter of fact, our surging “All-Birthers-are-Saudi-Born-Al Qaeda” movement will also not accept any “evidence” contrary to the position borne out by our name. I mean, it's not just our Position…it's our identity in a world that's going crazy and really scaring the Hell out of us!

Each and every one of you Saudi, Al Qaeda Birthers are hosed! Show us your fake birth certificates, your paid-shill witnesses, and your sneaky “proof”, and I'll show you a bunch of devious, seditious traitors.

Go ahead and get to work proving that negative.

Ha! You can't, you pitiful Al Qaeda agents…start practicing that perp-walk!

:)

jh demo


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 9:49 am

Nah. Dubbya was born (with a silver spoon in his mouth) in Connecticut. Prep-schooled in Amherst, Taxachusetts, college'd at Yale, and MBA'd at Hahvahd. A New Englander.

That Midlands, Texas, “Aw, shucks” clod-kicking hillbilly act of his is just as funny as Barry Soetoro pretending to be “Black.”


“When a candidate for public office faces the voters he does not face men of sense; he faces a mob of men whose chief distinguishing mark is the fact that they are quite incapable of weighing ideas, or even of comprehending any save the most elemental — men whose whole thinking is done in terms of emotion, and whose dominant emotion is dread of what they cannot understand. So confronted, the candidate must either bark with the pack or be lost… All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre — the man who can most adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.' The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

– H.L. Mencken, *The Baltimore Sun* (26 July 1920)


mantis
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

Are you saying he’s a liar?

Probably. He’s a birther, and you are all liars. If the state issued such certificates in 1998, fine. They don’t now. If they didn’t, then he’s a liar.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 10:25 am

Footnote.

Be nice if Dubbya really WAS foreign-born, wouldn't it? Is there anybody else out there who would like to go back into the statute books and all those federal regulations, jerk out every goddam thing that he signed into law, and declare it “Null and Void”?

No more USA PATRIOT Act, for one thing. No more Heimatsicherheitsdienst, for another. TARP I goes bye-bye, and eight years of damnable misrule gets flushed down the crapper like it was nothing more than a bad dream.

Damn. What I wouldn't give for jh demo's brainless Obamaphile attempt at “humor” to come true….


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beowulf
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

yowser,

Your hypothetical about military personnel stationed overseas actually happened. John McCain was born in Panama due to his father’s naval career. Its curious that while the GOP candidate (and I voted for him) was actually foreign born, no Democrat thought to challenge Mccain’s natural born citizen status. Meanwhile the Democratic candidate was born on American soil and yet we have the spectacle of a crowd booing Congressman Castle for simply stating the fact that President Obama is an American citizen.


MarkInOhio
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 11:09 am

So many birfer wackos here! Fascinating. There are people who deny the Holocaust and people who say we never went to the moon too. Off to the loony bin with them all!


Charlie
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 11:14 am

United States v. Wong Kim Ark is not on point. Wong's parents were not U.S. citizens, but he was born in San Francisco. The allegation here is that Obama was born in Kenya, and that the Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii just means that someone presented a toddler in Hawaii and a certificate was issued. The documentation we have been given does not prove that Obama was born in the U.S.


jesushdemocrat
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 11:52 am

Mmm…no.

GWB is a Canadian. As Canadian as a Mountie eating back bacon on Boxing Day!

Your assertion that he's from New Haven is just that–an assertion, with no proof. But sadly, there is no “proof” you could possibly offer me because it would neither fit my deeply held, personal beliefs on the subject, nor my specific worldview.

Hey–take it easy on me! I'm an American and I have rights. And as an American, I am 100% free and within those rights to say, “The guy's a Canadian and there's nothing on Heaven or Earth that'll convince me otherwise–period.”

You see, it's my belief–my *strongly* held belief–and, shucks, I have a little red-blooded gut feeling to back it up, truth be told. There was always something fishy about Bush…but he can't fool me! (And if all of that isn't good enough for those Al Qaeda operatives, well, too bad: it just so happens that I also got confirmation on my views from the Lord the other night when we were chatting. I have a Personal Relationship with Him now that I've accepted him as my Savior (and we're on a first name basis), just so you know.

jhdemo


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 11:59 am

Your lips to ghod's ear, demo. “If only….”

But I'm pretty sure that you're a dead-from-the-chin-up Obamaphile, and once they wrestle you back onto your thiothixene, you're gonna quit hearing those voices.

Sad, really. It'd be so nice to have Dubbya's whole epoch blotted out of the national copy-book….


FreedomFighter
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

Name,

We, the normal folks on this planet, know because it is public record.

See http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Pictures and everything.

Just because you (or others) would sorly like something to be true… that is just not the case.


LaLee
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

You said: “The allegation here is that Obama was born in Kenya, and that the Certificate of Live Birth from Hawaii just means that someone presented a toddler in Hawaii and a certificate was issued.”

Do you or ANY “Birth Certificate Conspiracy” theorists have ANY PROOF that this “allegation” is true?

You have every right to disbelieve Obama's COLB as adequate documentation but as long as you (Or anybody else for that matter) have NO PROOF OTHERWISE then your disbelief is irrelevant.

The burden of proof is one the accuser and since Obama is the one accused the burden of proof is NOT on him.

And no you don't have the right to ask for his (Or any other American's) personal records without compelling evidence.

Mere suspicion or disbelief is not evidence.


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nofriendofetilaat
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

Wow, for a conspiracy theorist you sure give President Obama a lot of credit when it comes to the Fed. I thought it was the Bilderbergs or the “Jewwwwws” who were running that shit, right? And since you have powers of comprehension and literacy beyond us womps who vote for those dirty, eloquent, socialist-muslim [or is it communist-homosexual this week?] blacks, I'm sure you realize that in Zimbabwe there was a goods shortage and a destruction of local cropland that prompted the destructive 1000s% hyperinflation. And since you made the comparison, please explain how that will happen to the ONLY currency that is tied to the most important commodity on the planet — oil. Now now, we're in agreement about “banksters” in general -'- but these are the same men that have been running the country [now the world] for over 150 years. If you own a car and a credit card, you're just as culpable as the rest of us dolts.


kharma
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

–10% of Americans think the moon landing was a hoax. No matter what evidence you show them, they refuse to believe and think it is all a conspiracy.
–47% to 55% of Americans think that man was created on earth 10,000 years ago along with everything else. Even fossils were created in case some day man came across them he would have his faith tested.
–8% of Americans admit to being 'birthers'. People that will not believe regardless of the facts.

I think the moral is that there are those that do not let facts get in the way of their beliefs. They live in their own world of their own choosing.


nofriendofetilaat
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

lol, like you give a shit about the Constitution. Where were you these last 8 years? Oh yeah, cheering on foreign wars of aggression from your front row bucket seats. Get the hell out.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:12 pm

Oh, Barry's right in there with the banksters. Remember, the enabling legislation has to get started in *his* (National Socialist Party) Congress, and since he lied his way through his inauguration oath (does that count as two criminal counts, or just one?), he's been pushing and pulling and humping and shoving and twisting arms to get megatons of counterfeit currency dumped out there.

Jeez, don'tcha remember the grilling that the Fed's IG got (that clueless, ditzy frail) a few days ago, when it was determined that the Inspector General's office of the Federal Reserve System had NO GODDAM IDEA whatsoever where all those trillions of freshly-counterfeited dollar substitutes had gone?

Now, if you really think that Barry-boy didn't take the lead in getting all those U.S. Treasury I.O.U.'s into the hot little hands of Bernanke and his busy little bees so that they could Mugabe out so much “credit” and fiat currency that the M3 growth accelerated to the point that NASA couldn't track it, then I've got a real estate deal for you on the banks of the East River – easy credit, a guaranteed self-liquidating debt situation, you wouldn't believe the toll collections…!

Well, maybe that's not fair. Sure, “never give a sucker an even break,” but I'm presuming you're an Obamaphile, so there's obviously a lot of mental disability on your side of this exchange.

And speaking of Mugabe, I do so wonderfully love your brain-dead take on the whackier-than-Weimar counterfeiting going on in Zimbabwe. You don't really know doo-dah about what Bobby and his ZANU-PF murdering, thieving, tribal thugs have been doing in post-colonial Rhodesia over the past few years at all, do you?

Check out http://mises.org/story/2532 (and follow the subsidiary links for additional background information).

I'm sure you think that the Kulak Murders (minimum estimate 6.5 million killed) and the eighty other years of “bad crops” in the Soviet Empire were due to “a goods shortage and a destruction of local cropland,” too, don'tcha?

You're really “as the beasts that perish” about monetary policy in particular and economics in general, right? Dumber'n the side of a ditch, and twice as muddy….


Prefabfan
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

You CAnnot argue with a sick mind. No matter how many right wing riganziatins finally fold and admit thee is a legit obma birth certificate, You will have made dogs like this one with “Where's the REAL proof?”. In the white house for 7.5 more years. Not only is your point paranoid, and slightly treasonous, but the fact you fail to recognize the game is over, your team lost, and you are still trying to get inone more play by yourself, is pathological.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:20 pm

Aw, Prefab. Even though you're manifestly mentally ill, I'm happy to “argue” with you. Don't get so down about your derangements. If you keep on trying to articulate what we'll charitably call your “thoughts,” there's always the possibility that your condition will improve.

Yes, I favor use of the atypical neuroleptics in cases like yours, but I believe there's a significant role for “talk therapy,” too. Think “cognitive restructuring.”

And I like that “treasonous,” Prefab, I really do. Such big words you're trying to use…. Have you looked that one up, though? Get a definition, try to pronounce it properly, and use it *properly* in at least one sentence. You haven't done that here, and it's best to correct that kind of error right away.


RobertSeattle
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

I think Rachel Maddow came up with a pretty good quip last night – we should congratulate the DEMOCRATIC operative who planted the seed of this idiotic “Birther” business into the minds of the wingnuts – they are off chasing phantoms (and making the RNC looks like it is full of nutjobs) while the Adults are trying to take care of important business in this country.


manny
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

somehow it doesn't surprise me that you would talk about hands up little boys “tochus” have you registered with your neighbors?


yowser
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

I like the idea that the Birthers are using the issue to get out of active duty. I guess they love the flag too much to run to Canada…


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

Well, given what Barry's doing to your grandchildren (if you ever grow up to have any, manny), you DON'T think of him as a child molester?


Niravan
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Rightwingnuttery !!!!!


runninbear
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

Well I guess we'll see if barking dogs have any bite,because this is the question that every American that has run and has been elected has gladly provein the right that they are americans,and gladly produced their b/c,their school records ,health records,except this one,Some one who through Illinos politics has found the hole to slip through.Illinos doesn't require any proof that you or any one else has to prove or produce any doucments that verifiys his or her orgins of birth,This is how they vet anyone to run for any office in goverment.They let them vet themselves.a obivous violaltion of the rules the rest of the nation finds applauding,that no one “EVER” has ask for or checked this man out other than taking his word.Obama put the dogs to check out McCain and when they turned and ask obama he wouldn't.In fact the frist excutive order he signed wasn't onthe ecomony it was to seal “ALL” his records? If he has admitted he was a doper then what else is there to hide.maybe the fact that he was a foriegn exchange student?that he came here on funding for foriegn exchange student visa.If Obama ran on “TRANSPARENTICY he isn't keeping his promises but that ain't new.He said he would bring the troops home and this month alone he's sending 21,000 more,but get this he's have our troops mirrandize the Afgan prisioners ?He's treating them as if they were US CITIZENS?they are military prisioners? This is why we brither are so adment that obama isn't working for the people who gave him his J.O.B.


RobertSeattle
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Is your comment a parody? It's very hard to tell.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:03 am

Hm. Anything of substance here? Well, no; it’s “left_leaning,” whatever it is.

Got any *specific* counters to what I’d written above, or supported comments pertinent to anything I’d written anywhere else in this forum, dickweed?

No? Well, ain’t THAT a surprise….


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:03 am

Hm. Anything of substance here? Well, no; it’s “left_leaning,” whatever it is.

Got any *specific* counters to what I’d written above, or supported comments pertinent to anything I’d written anywhere else in this forum, dickweed?

No? Well, ain’t THAT a surprise….


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

I recently commented on lies from CNN about this issue.

Can anyone make a valid counter-argument? Since all of Weigel's visitors from the DailyKos are so sure of their arguments, then making a valid counter-argument shouldn't be difficult, right? Remember: ad homs, insults, lies, misleading statements, and all the other “arguments” BHO supporters engage in are not valid arguments.

Can even one BHO supporter make a valid argument?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:24 am

Nah. The reason is that it’s a vulnerability (among many in Barry’s sordid, seamy, “sealed” past), and putting your Mombasa Messiah out of our nation’s misery is a consummation devoutly to be wished.

If he can’t be skewered this way (and it looks as if he can, else you Obama-suckers wouldn’t be screaming your little lungs out), we’ll find another. The guy is like Al Capone. You KNOW he’s dirty, you KNOW he’s going into the jug; you’ve just got to keep on him until you get him.

Ain’t the Constitution wonderful? It works even if the majority of the dolts dumb enough to think that voting really means anything want it to work or not.

And that’s how it was designed to work. Really chaps your ass, doesn’t it, adrian?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:24 am

Nah. The reason is that it’s a vulnerability (among many in Barry’s sordid, seamy, “sealed” past), and putting your Mombasa Messiah out of our nation’s misery is a consummation devoutly to be wished.

If he can’t be skewered this way (and it looks as if he can, else you Obama-suckers wouldn’t be screaming your little lungs out), we’ll find another. The guy is like Al Capone. You KNOW he’s dirty, you KNOW he’s going into the jug; you’ve just got to keep on him until you get him.

Ain’t the Constitution wonderful? It works even if the majority of the dolts dumb enough to think that voting really means anything want it to work or not.

And that’s how it was designed to work. Really chaps your ass, doesn’t it, adrian?


mantis
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Why bother? You are just repeating the same bullshit over and over again, despite the fact that it is entirely fact-free and has been effectively rebutted many, many times already.


donc
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

As a resident of Delaware I am appalled by my fellow residents in this video.

Mike Castle is an honorable man who has served his state well.


W Blue
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

24AheadDotCom:

There is no valid counter-argument… except derision and ridicule. Although this the weakest form of defense, it is nonetheless very effective and commonly employed where no valid defense exists. It renders otherwise level-headed and critically thinking people to tin-foil right-wing fanatics. It's quite brilliant, really. Kudos to all the commentators. Perception is nine-tenths of reality.


W Blue
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

You will note Mike Castle insisted the President is an American Citizen. As did John McCain in a similar town-hall meeting last summer. I am inclined to believe President Obama is an American Citizen. Mike Castle choose his words carefully. But is very likely the President is not a Natural Born Citizen, which is the issue at hand.

Sorry, friend. Your fellow residents in the video have a beef.


W Blue
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

You sir, would fall in the “perception is nine-tenths of reality” camp.

In fact, nothing at all has been rebutted, but I do believe you likely believe to the very last fiber of your being that the issue is “fact-free and has been effectively rubtted many, many times already.”


MHG
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

A counter-argument…you mean like the fact that his mother was a US citizen, which automatically makes HIM a natural born US citizen? Like the fact that the State of Hawaii has repeatedly certified that the certificate they have for him is valid? Like the two *separate* birth announcements in Hawaii newspapers saying he was born *in* that state?

Regardless of how many times those statements are made, the lunatics who insist that he's “not a natural born” citizen basically stick their fingers in their ears and scream “LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!”


W Blue
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

Actually, I'm disappointed. You would think Rachel Maddow could come up with something better. These quips are not nearly disparaging enough. Anyone who demands to know the facts and the truth is a raging lunitic and a danger to society.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

Part of making a valid counter-argument is to understand the other person's argument. Since you brought up arguments I'm not making and since part of your comment is answered at my link, aren't you just filling up space?


W Blue
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Whao, dude. I want some of that spoon-fed nonsense so I can run around with the ignorance is bliss crowd. I hear it's better than drugs.


W Blue
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

In all sincerity, MHG:

A good litmus of any alledged fact is to determine whether it would hold up in a court of law. You may assert in the lobby of same court anything you want — and if you're eloquent enough you may even convince your audience that you are espousing the facts — but that doesn't necessarily mean the same “facts” would hold up once you step inside the courtroom.

The bottom line here:

I have no idea if Barack Obama is Natural Born Citizen. But I do know, with 100% certainty, that no one has brought forth any facts that would determine the issue in a court of law. Inconvenient, for sure, if you're a BO supporter.


W Blue
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

Is that all you got?


kippy
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

These people are low class scum of the earth. They are truly an embarrassment to this country.


left_leaning_independant
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

Who the hell are you? Wow, what an enormous amount of tripe and bile spewing forth from your pie hole. You must work at McDonalds.


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birfers are very dumb
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

King Birfer is just spamming us now.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

So one minute Dr. Fukino in Hawaiian State Health this: “I, and Dr. Alvin Onaka have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”

The next minute, another spokesperson in the department (Janice Okubo) stated that they went paperless in 2001 and no longer keep paper birth records and no longer have them. And yet some people who need more information for high security clearances can still get certified copies of their original long forms on request, but apparently Hawaii won't make it clear just how that is done. Pretty strange.

So what I'd like to see, is for someone born in the early 1960's in Hawaii, to go down to the office of vital statistics, request a PHOTOCOPY of their original, paper, hospital generated copy of their original Certificate of Live Birth, pay the extra copying fee if there is one, have it stamped & signed as an official certified copy, then black out the personal information and post it on the internet explaining what it is and how they got it. Any Hawaiian “birthers” out there on the ground in Hawaii? I'm sure Joseph Farah at WND would happily post it for you and might even pay a nice little commission to have you do it. The paper birth records are still there in the vaults unless there has been a mysterious fire recently. But we need to move quickly. Any volunteers? At least go make the request and see what they say. Be sure to include the question, “You do have my paper original long form, don't you?” Just for $hits and giggles. It'll be fun!

Remember what Fukino said,”I, and Dr. Alvin Onaka have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” So allegedly HIS is still there. Who knows what it actually says though. But, if any Joe off the street can request one and get it, it would stand to reason that the POTUS could request one and get it. Right?

Any individual has a right under the freedom of information act to ask for and get copies of any and all government documents held as records if they pertain to that individual. In other words, they can't withhold from you any information that they hold regarding you if it is a matter of public record. If I request my entire military service record file, they must produce it for me. Same with birth records. Go check it out.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Not one of you liberals will explain why Barry Obama will not submit to an mRI SCAN to prove he has human dna.

I have overwhelming proof in the form of a forwared email I recieved last April 1st that Obama is a reptiod shape shifting alien and is promoting his evil agenda of Health care and International Peace as a first step in the aliens taking over the Earth!


mantis
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

Shit, they've finally discovered the truth! Run!


mantis
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

The next minute, another spokesperson in the department (Janice Okubo) stated that they went paperless in 2001 and no longer keep paper birth records and no longer have them.

You're lying, which is why you don't quote her. Here's what she said:

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it's only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

“At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

“The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.

Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”

“The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”

The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”

She never states that they no longer have the old paper records. They simply digitized the information on them as it is far more efficient that way. There is no contradiction.

And yet some people who need more information for high security clearances can still get certified copies of their original long forms on request, but apparently Hawaii won't make it clear just how that is done.

Says who, or did you just make that up?

So what I'd like to see, is for someone born in the early 1960's in Hawaii, to go down to the office of vital statistics, request a PHOTOCOPY of their original, paper, hospital generated copy of their original Certificate of Live Birth, pay the extra copying fee if there is one, have it stamped & signed as an official certified copy, then black out the personal information and post it on the internet explaining what it is and how they got it.

I've been calling for this for some time. Surely the birthers can find one Hawaiian who is willing to do this.

But we need to move quickly.

The conspiracy never sleeps! They will destroy the records! Crazy ass birther.

Who knows what it actually says though.

Well, we know that the information on the COLB is the same as that on the original. Either that or there's an OCR scanner in on the conspiracy. The fiends!

But, if any Joe off the street can request one and get it, it would stand to reason that the POTUS could request one and get it. Right?

Sure, get a Hawaiian with a video camera to go do that. Please.

If I request my entire military service record file, they must produce it for me. Same with birth records.

Yep, and in Hawaii, if you ask for birth records, you get a COLB. Dumbass.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Nuclear magnetic resonance imaging (originally abbreviated “NMR” and now “MRI” because the confused wool grow skittish if the word “nuclear” is mentioned) as it is clinically employed does not elicit information about the genome, or tell whether the individual scanned possesses DNA or RNA of any kind.

While I do not doubt the provenance of your “forwared email” and its assertion that Barry Soetoro is, indeed, a “reptoid shape shifting alien” (you're certainly borne out by “his evil agenda,” all right), I regret that you will require tissue sampling and genotyping making use of polymerase chain reaction (PCR) laboratory methodology to aid in sequencing Mr. Soetoro's DNA.

So go out and carve a chunk off your Messiah's narrow Mombasa tochus, and we'll see what comes out in the reports.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

Writes W Blue:

“A good litmus [test] of any alleged fact is to determine whether it would hold up in a court of law.”

Oh? Ever heard of State v. Scopes, Scopes v. State, 152 Tenn. 424, 278 S.W. 57 (Tenn. 1926)?

Better known as the “Scopes Monkey Trial”?

I wouldn't say that said egregious example of the many, MANY out-of-town railroad rides given “fact” by the officers of the bench in the history of American jurisprudence exactly supports your contention that the operations of “a court of law” provide any “good litmus [test]” of any sort of factuality.

Hit “Reset,” Blue, and try again. You've completely screwed the pooch.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:40 am

You dumocrats dont get it.

This could all be laid to rest so easily.

Its a well known fact that high frequency sonic vibrations in the 40-50 mhz scale disrupts the holographic shape shifting field these aliens generate to hide their true reptillian appearance.

If at his next press conference, Berry would simply allow himself to be bombarded with a 100 decibel phase shifted audio signal, for example “tip toe through the tulips” by Tiny Tim. If he retains human form I will be quite surprised. And also…..er, I gotta go for now, the nurse is here and I gotta take my meds


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:51 am

Florida, I like your persistence, but Barry Soetoro isn't even THAT real. For ultrasound to reflect from or impart energy to anything, it has to have material substance, and your Mulignane Mahdi is simply a ghost.

Better you call the folks at the SyFy Channel and try to get some advice from their “paranormal investigators.”


coolmind
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:54 am

where in Del was the meeting?


Unstable Isotope
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 1:28 am

It was in Georgetown, DE in Sussex County. It's the conservative area of Delaware.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 1:37 am

Have a banana with Obongo, Chongo!


AdrianBrowne
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 1:58 am

The absence of a figment of your imagination isn't evidence of anything.


Overseas Observer
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:52 am

Viewing this from overseas in Japan, I am simply amazed at what has become of America. Once respected as the leader of the free world, it has degraded into a country of complainers, fighting amongst yourselves about trivial matters.

I urge you to wake up, you have already lost the respect of most of the world during the 8 yrs of Bush and rather than attempting to reestablish your leadership, you choose to fight eachother. I really don't mind, the more you fight among yourselves the more legitimate the rest of the world is in disregarding you entirely.

I wish you good luck. I do give you all credit for providing daily entertainment to the rest of us. It is so nice to laugh in these tough times.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Tsk. For a globetrotter like yourself, perhaps “the respect of most of the world” is a matter of some tenderness. So sorry!

So let “the free world” find themselves another “leader.” The people of these United States are sick and tired of bearing the cost – in blood and treasure – of providing whatever dubious value that service might endow.

We have our own fish to fry. You go ahead with your hosts and enjoy it raw.

Back to burning Barry the new asshole he so thoroughly deserves.


runninbear
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:05 am

Why does it amuse you? Is it the metaphor that made you think it was a amusing or just an observation,that you think Im trying to be a Werid Al Yankurbitch! there that was an simile,but If you think Im trying to be funny when I blog about Obama for the embarrassment that he has caused this country the alienatetion of our “ONLY TRUE ALLIES” and the things he hasn't done, the things he tried to do and didn't get done,or the things he,is trying to do,and if you think this is funnny here'a parody for you.Obama'brain and a BB?I hope you are still laughing when,he takes your rights away or when he passes that cap and trade bill he wants,or a second stimulus?,or immigratetion,or lets Acorn do any more crimmal acts,Who'll be laughing then? The parody is the people voted for a black man for the white house and got a half white ,Kenyan,boned Indonesian citizen,thats more Muslim than black.that's a mixed parody! bon'appetti'e


Robinette
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:35 am

Though I don't agree with all the complaining that does take place in the US. I do appreciate the freedom that we do have that a lot of other countries do not. Thankfully we have the freedom to stand up and speak out about what we think is right or wrong. Though you may laugh at us not all people in the world have those same freedoms. I would much rather you laugh at us then have to watch in horror as women are shot and killed in the street for standing up for what they believe in.


runninbear
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Fyi birthers know it was created over 6 million years ago.Then there's the Obamabots,these people when confronted with facts, Muslim school admittance forms,dates and eye wittness testomony from his own grandmother,and who can only resort to name calling and fearful of their Messiah to even ask for his B/C.Yet they still think the birthers are the ones wearing tinfoil hats.100% of them believe Obama,isn't Muslim,can walk on water,leap buildings in a single bound,faster than a speeding bullet.did I leave out anything? Hey why don't you post some good stats? like how many points Obama has fell since he refuses to produce his records? How low can you go! How low is Whale poo?


runninbear
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 4:01 am

Now here's a guy that can use a tinfoil hat, a ten gallon one?lol.who is this candidian you mentioned Fer Chissakes,or are you meaning Christ sakes.Do you think he's candidian too!How can a house divided stand? If we hate Obama and he is in bed with the Saudias and Muslims and Hamas,It wasn't a birther who bowed so low to the Saudia king I thought he was going to drop his trowers for him and spread the gay movement right then and there.Then LIED about it?There's an old native saying”the enemy of my enemy is my FRIEND?


Overseas Observer
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 4:50 am

I would agree with you Robinette – freedom is something to be thankful for so we are on the same page regarding that issue. I also abhor the current events in some parts of the world where freedom is not welcome or even controlled by killing. I do not want to watch the horror you mention and do respect the US and those countries that work to spread freedom – however peaceful means are preferred by me while understand they are not always effective and harsher measures may be needed.

That said, it seems there are many who are preaching that such horrors are necessary in the US to “retake the government” – perhaps not to the level you are noting but still a bit of scary thought that there are those who celebrate the taking of a life such as the recent murder of a doctor. I expect this is a fringe of the community as exists in many free cultures. I believe life is sacred and all life should be treated as such – regardless of how strongly you may disagree with another person on political or religous grounds.

To Tuci78 – to each his own so please continue to enjoy yourself belittling people on comment logs using what seems to be a large amount of free time on your part. I imagine it has taken you quite some time to build such a large list of names to call your president – quite impressive I must say. I certainly hope you get your team of forensic analysts to examine and perhaps carbon date your presidents birth certificate. Given your enthusiasm I can only assume it is one of the largest issues facing you and your country at this time.

By the way, it is not tenderness on my part, just my observation. Similarily you have your observations. I admittedly am self absorbed and have no real feeling about this or most things honestly. While some may be offended, I view life is a game and I treat is such.

It is no problem if you wish to isolate yourselves I see no issue with that given your current crop of free-market and greed driven corporate executives have led us to this current global market collapse. An absence of 'American' style corporate greed is likely a welcome relief. Dependence on the mass materialism of the US has linked fortunes of those around the globe – breaking such dependence can only be a good thing.

Please enjoy yourself and continue your ranting as much as I enjoy reading it.

PS – Thanks again but I really don't like sushi/sashimi/etc, prefer my food cooked.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 5:09 am

It is not the lawful business – or purpose – of the government of these United States “to spread freedom” anywhere, but to preserve the rights of the citizens of this nation by exercising what some philosophers have described as a functional monopoly on the initiation of violent force. The exercise of this function on the part of the officers – both civil and military – of our governments here derives from the delegation to them of each individual citizen's right to use lethal force in the defense of his life, his liberty, and his property against violent aggressors.

One must view government not in the socialist or Keynesian or Obamaphile light – as an agency that *can* do things simply because the officers of that institution might be able to get away with it – things that may be arguably “nice to do” – but rather as an agency of very limited purpose and highly constrained function, the officers of which have been bound “down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.”

Or as H.L. Mencken once pithily put it: “The only good bureaucrat is one with a pistol at his head. Put it in his hand and it's good-by to the Bill of Rights.”

It's not a matter of “to each his own,” but rather government held within the constraints of an explicit, iron-clad charter of powers, duties, and prohibitions imposed upon the officers of that government, to preserve the rights of the people in whose service – and I stress that word again: SERVICE, not dominance – these elected and appointed “Malevolent Jobholders” have their decidedly limited functions, and against the boundaries upon which they cannot be allowed to transgress.

Not ever.


Overseas Observer
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 5:49 am

Wow, you read a tremendous amount into every comment anybody makes. Such intense feelings, I admire that.

I am making no specific statement, judgement, etc – simply my personal views which clearly you feel are at odds with yours – therein my 'to each his own' comment. Sorry to confuse you with that.

That said, you do seem to advocate 'to each his own' on a broader scale. Follow your logic, or perhaps your desire, to its end in which goverment provides nothing (limited and highly constrained) and you get to a point where government does nothing. Everyone is on their own – might be considered a hunter/gatherer approach to governement. I would be very interesting to see how that works out for you. Of course, I likely completely misunderstood what you meant and I am sure you will correct me with a vigorous discourse.

For my own interest, I actually feel doing good for others is a good thing for a community and culture. If government can help, I am all for that. Me, I am satisfied my tax dollars and government work. Happy that children and poor can get basic medical attention. That elderly get support and care due them for all they have done for us. All for the common good, etc, etc, etc. I guess if doing good for others is “socialist” then count me in – bleeding heart and all. Again, I fully expect I am missing the true point and your will correct the error in my thinking – however since it is my personal opinion errors are likely irrelevant.

For yourself, choose your path. We all find ourselves in the same place at the end anyway.

Good luck to us all.


NNNN
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:07 am

Hm, I think you're right, RobertSeattle, I think it is a parody.


NNNN
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:08 am

“Fyi birthers know it was created over 6 million years ago.”

See, here's your problem.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:10 am

Working carefully on the basis of scanty information in the presentation of pathology is a necessity in diagnosis. Judgment is always reserved pending further information, but quick achievement of working conclusions is often essential. It's a habit of mind that doesn't need to be broken, and therefore I don't.

You've expressed your sentiments, taking the time to do so explicitly in this forum. From what else is anyone to work?

“Everyone is on their own” is emphatically NOT “a hunter/gatherer approach to government,” but rather a recognition that people are best qualified to take (because they're most knowledgeable in taking) care of their own affairs, and neither imposing themselves forcibly upon others nor suffering others' forcible impositions upon their own lives and actions.

Be careful in your altruism. The “good” you may think you're doing “for others” in your “socialist…bleeding heart” desires is almost certain to land on the recipients of your altruistic efforts as something noxious and damnable in the extreme.

Laissez-faire, laissez-aller, laissez-passer.

“Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations – entangling alliances with none, I deem the essential principles of our government….”


Andrea Halbe
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:38 am

I also view this from overseas, in Europe. I shudder at the considerable number of completely warped people in the US. I know that the US pays great importance to free speech, but lies? Boy, after 8 eight years of institutional lies, the US has a LOT of work ahead to straighten out the record.


donviti
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 11:06 am

one thing to note is where Castle was located. Southern Delaware aka “slower lower”. That part that is/was south of the Mason Dixon line. They don't get it down there.


xcott
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

You should know better than to judge a country by the crazy stuff that makes its way onto television or Youtube. While the “birthers” seem to be growing in number, they remain a tiny fringe movement. You read and see a lot about them because (a) they are vocal, and (b) the rest of us can't stop watching their antics.


BAM
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

ya you're right, we “don't get it” down here

is that why you Northerners come down here to retire each year???

you're being as naive as the woman in the video


qirkster
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

Cause it's much cheaper livin down there an all you white trash will clean my house for almost nothin. Suckers.


jim
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

ok, you got me. indeed, it was the overreaching and exaggerated corruption and incompetence of the bush admin that lead to the sweeps of 06 and 08. in the big picture, it can only help to have the republican party in the grip of it’s most insane wing. bring on the birthers! secession sounds *great* idea! palin/gingrich in 2010! ….. this could actually be fun to watch ;)


Ahas
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Though I am no Republican, I admired Congressman Castle's handling of this woman and her supporters who, in effect, used “Brown Shirt” tactics to take over his meeting.
He, did the right thing by going thru the Pledge of Alligence and tried to carry on his meeting.
As a liberal Democrat…long for more “Eisenhour Republicans” to stand up and not be cowtowed by the Limbaugh fringe of what was once a admirable and viable party and political veiw. We could disagree but still find support for each other.

(we need balance, some of my left wing friends can be just a 'flaky' as this woman was.)

Is that mutual respect leaving us?, or has it already gone away already?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Eyewitness testimony from his own grandmother? Saying what?

Or is this one of those fakety fake things that birthers just make up?

It’s so hard to tell when you’re arguing with people who have zero morals.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Please don’t drink and write, runninbear. It does no one any good. Have some respect for the birthers whose arguments you’ve mangled and cheapened.

They have enough to do by trying to prove that their conspiracy theory is better than any other conspiracy theory ever concocted, all in the face of a year’s worth of official statements authenticating a birth certificate that is irrelevant to his citizenship anyway (President Obama’s mother was a U.S. citizen, so the birth certificate could say he was born on Mars and he’s still the President), all in the face of a birth certificate that has been provided by the President during his election campaign and authenticated by the highest state officials with authority over this issue in Hawaii, which has a Republican governor.

But now, to take you on their side, they also have to take up your arguments, which are that:

- the state of Illinois (to which you have no doubt never travelled) just lets any old Tom, Dick or Barack Hussein do anything they want without even showing a frequent flier card;

- the President has not released his 2nd grade transcript so we can see how he did in the “listens quietly at story-telling time when it’s other children’s turn” category that is so essential to good Presidential decision-making;

- no one “has checked this man out other than taking his word” and other than reading his two best-selling books (or listening to the spoken-word version of one, which managed to win a Grammy despite going unnoticed), listening to one of his hundreds of speeches, reading one of his thousands of interviews, watching one of his dozens of debates, scrolling endlessly through his detailed websites, paying any attention at all to the goings-on at the U.S. Senate when he joined the Foreign Relations Committee and became privy to the nation’s most closely-guarded secrets (at least the ones Cheney told us at the time) or showing up to see him and ask questions in person as he spent 18 months running for President;

- Obama “put the dogs to check out McCain and when they turned and ask obama [sic] he wouldn’t — maybe because he was too stunned at the endless replay of nonsense about Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers to have the heart to ask the media to look into why McCain had his POW records sealed by an Act of Congress that applies only to him; why McCain got kicked out of the Naval Academy for poor grades, got put back in when he reminded them that his dad and granddad were admirals, and still managed to graduate fifth from the BOTTOM in a class of 799; why McCain stood against a federal holiday for Martin Luther King, Jr.; why McCain left his wife after she got crippled in a car accident so he could meet a former USC cheerleader he met at a Navy Party when he was still married and when they both lied about their ages; or why he called that same 2nd wife a “cunt” in front of 3 journalists just because she teased him about his hair;

- his “frist” executive order was somehow to seal his records, when it obviously was not;

- he was a foreign exchange student who was the first foreign exchange student in history to be born in America;

- he said he would bring the troops home and he isn’t working for the people. Instead he’s trying to win the war against the bad guys who actually attacked us, and he’s spending all of his time at a ranch in Crawford, I mean all of his time trying to get health care for poor suckers like you who spend all your time drinking and then posting nutjob conspiracy theories.

This is why I said please don’t drink and write, runninbear. You’re embarrassing yourself and making us use translation software to take your post from gibberish to English.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

I disagree. Parodies are funny. And they show evidence of an intelligent mind.

Runninbear, on the other hand, appears frustrated, angry, and inarticulate. That isn’t a parody. That is a standard birther profile.

If it is nonetheless parody, I think it is cruel to birthers to make it out that they’re this dumb. Never thought I’d say that.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Damn, you beat me to the low-hanging fruit. I didn’t have the energy to pick apart any of the rest of it. Again, I mean. For the 80 bajillionth time.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

What did I tell you about drinking and writing? Are you going to put down the bottle or put down the keyboard? It has to be one or the other.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

If only the real Bible-thumpers were half as funny as you are…it would make them easier to listen to and then laugh at.

Keep up the good work.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

You. Are. A. Dumbass.

Did I type that slowly enough for you to read it, tuci?

You seriously have a crackpot conspiracist answer for everything, don’t you? Now there’s some couple who apparently didn’t get their birth announcement published, and you want to propose that some unknown conspiracist pushed them out?

Well, logically we can just get out buttered popcorn and wait for the Nordykes to sue the U.S. Government for 2 trillion dollars for allowing the Anti-Christ to slip into the country at the expense of their birth announcement.

My goodness I resent every one of my tax dollars that goes to fund your state-administered drug rehabilitation program. It is clearly not working.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

All I want is access to the same pharmaceutical-grade drugs you’ve obviously been taking for some time, Tuci.

I’m jealous. No drug I’ve even heard of would bliss me out as much as the drugs you’re on have tweaked your brain.

Is there some doctor who I need to get a “prescription” from? What’s your finder’s fee?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

Slight correction, factoryhaus.

To say that a person has an “above par vocabulary” is to imply that the person has command of more words than average. But nothing in any of Tuci78′s posts conveys the slightest indication that Tuci78 knows what any of the words contained in the post mean.

I can look up german phrases and write a paragraph in German. But I don’t speak German, and that fact would be obvious to anyone who does.

I have an above average vocabulary. So do you, factoryhaus, or you wouldn’t be here. So does every other non-birther on this thread.

But I’m not convinced about Tuci78. Not until I see Tuci78′s original long form birth certificate and determine, based on powers of analysis that only I and no federal or state authority possess, that it is not merely a clever forgery.

Oh this is taking too long to say. Tuci78 is a tool. Don’t use tools unless you are building or taking apart something.

Sorry for the slight correction. Please proceed.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

What chaps your ass, you fucking moron, is that despite all the nonsense you spew in multi-syllable words, THE PRESIDENT IS STILL BLACK AND HE’S STILL THE PRESIDENT.

NOTHING you have said amounts to anything in the form of evidence that would call into question the President’s legitimate eligibility to be MASSIVELY elected in favor of the Republican competition (you know, more of that “reality” you want to avoid).

When you try to give history lessons, it just becomes more apparent that you are self-taught. Someone should have told you that Wikipedia does not accreditation and cannot confer degrees.

So keep writing. It will still be amusing to see you work yourself into a fit. Don’t forget to pick up your petticoats when you cross over a muddy gutter.

Did I mention that you are a fucking moron? Can’t remember. Was too busy laughing at how fucking stupid you are.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

Hey, don’t bring bigfoot into this!

There’s an early episode of Family Guy when Peter crashes a car while trying to teach Meg to drive, and Bigfoot walks by, as in the famous film footage, and Bigfoot waves his hands at Peter and says “whoa, whoa, this isn’t about me, this is about you!”

Seems to fit this situation. Birthers are even wackier than Bigfoot enthusiasts. I’ve spent a lot of time in the forests of the Pacific Northwest. Those forests are huge on an unimaginable scale. It’s incredibly unlikely that Bigfoot exists, but there’s at least a theoretical possibility. 0.0000000001 percent of something is a theoretical possibility.

Birthers on the other hand are tied to a conspiracy theory that has ZERO chance of being right.

Let’s not slander Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster or Moon Landing Was Fake folks who really cause no harm (except if you mess with Buzz Aldrin and say the moon landing was faked, you’ll get knocked the f*ck out by an old astronaut who doesn’t suffer kooks well) by lumping them in with racist dead-enders who lack sufficient critical thinking skills to understand why their sophistry doesn’t work on anyone else.


bobhogue
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

I hate Republicans! I wish they would go away. All white and stupid, often voting against their own interests, these dopes actually are intimidated by this crazy person and turn toward the flag and pledge allegiance. Reminds me of Nazi Germany.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

Pay attention, Name. YOU have no way of PROVING that he DID renounce his citizenship.

And that’s what you’d need to prove. Birthers base their “arguments” on setting up some inapplicable negative test, and then saying “what if it’s that?”

So unless you have proof that President Obama did renounce his citizenship, go find a coloring book. We could all play “what-if” and have more fun doing so without you around.

“What if George Bush had never pretended to be a Texan but instead had just stayed in New England?” Hundreds of thousands of lives would not have been lost in Iraq. Trillions of dollars would not have been wasted. Billions of people would be better off.

Wait I see why you birthers like playing “what-if” — it’s fun!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

“Have a banana with Obongo, Chongo!” — Randwulf

It's one thing to be a racist. It's another to be an unfunny racist. Who thought birthers were hard to figure out? Seriously, there has been a steady stream of people telling me “I thought you guys/girls were too hard on the birthers, but after a while I began to see that you guys were spot-on.”

To those people, I say, in all seriousness, what took you so long? I don't have a special decoder lens that allows me to see what you cannot. I just read what these people say!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Aw. steve. I have answers, certainly. And reasoned speculation as well. Dr. Nordyke was one of the pioneers in nuclear medicine back in the ’50s and early ’60s, and the twin delivery of Mrs. Nordyke in a small town like Honolulu would’ve certainly been news, wouldn’t it?

Well, we’re dealing with yet another Obamaphile, so there is really no expectation of mental lucidity or even the shadow of a trace of intellectual rigor in what we’ll call stevie’s “mind.”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:19 am

The only “pharmaceutical-grade drugs” I’m on are an HMG-CoA reductase inhibitor and 81 mg of Aspirin each day. Had my arm operated on a couple of times last year, and the cutter Rx’d Percocet, but I didn’t get his scrips filled. Ice packs.

Hey, I’m a married man. I’m used to suffering.

What kind of drugs are you after, steve? Gotta make sure they’re compatible with your antipsychotic regimen. Some interactions can be pretty nasty.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Ahas, I'm no Republican, either, but like you I found something appealing about the way Rep. Castle handled himself.

You have to feel for the guy; he was clearly baffled at the comment and hadn't been prepared for this sort of wackiness.

But it would have been nice if, instead of being swept along by the crowd into some bizarre loyalty-oath- reminiscent recitation of the Pledge, he could have said something like:

“Ok, let's all take a deep breath. I share your concerns about America's future, but we are a party of laws, and we respect the rule of law. This birth certificate issue, I'm afraid, is a dead-end argument. The State of Hawaii conclusively confirmed that our President is a U.S. Citizen. Even if your suspicions about a forged copy of his birth certificate were correct, I'm afraid they would still not affect his citizenship. He is still a citizen of the U.S., since his mother was. So let's take all of that energy and concern for the country's future, and channel it into going out there and signing up new Republicans!”

I know that's a lot to ask, especially from the seat-of-your-pants. But any GOP politician is NOW on notice that such an ambush could be waiting for him or her, and I think the first person to offer a mature, responsible response to the birther argument is going to leapfrog ahead of the rest of the GOP pack, at least in the eyes of mainstream America.

Thoughts?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:35 am

Hm. I “can look up german phrases and write a paragraph in German,” too. Within reasonable limits, I can understand what’s been written, pronounce it correctly, and parse out what’s not immediately evident. I only had one year of the language “im Gymnasium.” I’m better in Italian and Spanish, but not much.

And, sorry, my vocabulary really is “above par.” If the scores on standardized tests from childhood through professional boards are any indication, the acquisition and use of the terminology of abstract conceptualization is an area in which I’m superior to 99% of all others subjected to those same assessments.

I still can’t get the hang of one-handedly tying a surgical knot, though. I’m hell on instrument ties, and until NMR imaging more or less eliminated the use of stainless-steel wire, I was pretty good at knotting those sutures, too.

But is this – or anything you’d written above, steve – pertinent to the fact that your Mombasa Messiah is a criminal, usurping the powers and authorities of a public office which he knew from the beginning he was unqualified to stand for or to hole? No? Well, I didn’t think so.


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Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:47 am

But he’s not “black,” stevie. He’s a mulatto. His mother was Caucasian, his father a Negro, and he was raised (in Weird Al’s wonderful phrase) “Whiter than sour cream.” He’s about as authentically Black as Vanilla Ice.

And, of course, the point is that inasmuch as he’s not qualified to have run for or to hold the office of the President of these United States, he’s fraudulently usurping the powers and authorities of that post, and doing so with evident criminal mens rea.

Barry is obviously the sort of constitutional lawyer who’s looked at our Constitution the way a contract lawyer looks at such an agreement, searching for loopholes. Hm. That’s probably why he decided to specialize in constitutional law. Certainly no purpose to that in the career of a “community organizer” or other kind of member of the Chicago political machine.


norskejente
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Hey you dumb bimbo in the red dress, guess what, this is my country to and if you don't like it here or the president, I'm inviting you to get the h-ll out. The sooner, the better!


norskejente
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

Yea you are correct about what he should have done. Never cowtow to someone who is rude and arrogant and disruptes a meeting in that way. Actually imo he should have had her removed.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Exactly. And bear in mind, of course, that America is the only country I can think of that would allow this sort of nonsense to be spouted freely and without government censorship of any kind.

Did President Obama shut down internet service, as in Iran or China whenever something bad happens? See my point?

So yeah, we have some nutballs here. But because of Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes and his notion of a “marketplace of ideas,” we respect our collective intelligence enough to let the nutballs howl and whine openly, so that the rest of us may objectively evaluate their complaints. I respect that about my government. If only it would continue that same approach toward legalizing drugs. But I digress.

Yeah, so my overall point being, America rocks. Didn't you see Rambo II or III? No? How about Rocky IV?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

I can only hope you're serious. If you are, you'll be fun to look at up close. And I can't wait to read how you think “watching birthers bring shame and embarrassment to the good name of racist conspiracy theorists worldwide without lifting a Presidential black finger” somehow constitutes burning the President a new asshole.

What he deserves is what he's getting. After the Wright/Ayers nonsense, he deserves to watch the most-easily-misled members of the opposition party make total fools of themselves while assaulting their own leaders for failing to follow up on thoroughly debunked conspiracy theories. I can only hope he had some popcorn and a refreshing beverage while he watched CNN's Rick Sanchez take the birthers down yesterday, point by point.

This is great fund-raising for him and for Democrats everywhere.

If you're joking, you're in the running for the funniest of the thread. There is a usurper in YOUR midst, but I won't identify who it is. That person is your main competition, and we're actively judging you in relation to the success that your competitor has received.

Either way, please keep 'em coming; I can always use a laugh.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Sounds warm and comforting. Glad to know someone is holding government accountable and rigidly enforcing the Constitutional limitations on government.

One question. Where were you during the 2,920 days that Bush was President? You appear to have been snorkeling underwater off the coast of an undiscovered island during every one of those days.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

Florida, if the song is instead Bruce Springsteen's “Born in the U.S.A.” will the Usurper's head explode? Or would the birther heads explode because Obama's head did not?

Either way, I'm American and would like to see some senseless violence. Any suggestions appreciated. Please help.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Let's review.

Step 1 – Birther posts deliberate misrepresentation of official statement, omitting key words and failing to include any quotes or links.

Step 2 – Someone takes the trouble to correct the factual record.

Step 3 – Birther makes unfunny racist comment without addressing any correction to said factual record.

Yep, fits the pattern of all birther arguments. Nothing to see here folks, move along.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

“But is very likely” that you pulled that out of your ass and have no evidence whatsoever to back it up. Which is why you did not bother to explain it.

The “issue at hand” is to decide whether to mock the birthers using profanity, or simply to mock them while keeping it clean. Try to keep up, W Blue!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

“A good litmus of any alledged fact is to determine whether it would hold up in a court of law.” – W Blue

Interesting. Because the COLB is admissible evidence in all courts, state and federal. In fact it is conclusive evidence of anything stated therein. Government documents, unsurprisingly, are more than sufficient for (government) judges.

Now, let's apply that same litmus test to the birthers' arguments. Is a stupid non-functional analogy from a guy who pays $3 per month to maintain 24ahead dot com admissible evidence in court? Kangaroo Court maybe. But not even “the court of public opinion,” let alone any REAL U.S. court, state or federal.

This would be more fun if your side would just try harder not to give the game away with its own statements, birthers.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

W Blue, you mean no facts other than the legally-conclusive (let alone legally-admissible) facts we have all had at our online disposal for a year now?

You mean no facts other than those found on the COLB that Obama has released and that the state of Hawaii authenticated? Because that COLB is of course admissible evidence in any court of law in the U.S. and it is conclusive evidence of any item contained therein. Mantis has a good post that goes along with this, supra. You should check it out.

But only if you're in the slightest bit sincere in your expressed doubts. If you're like every other birther and you're just here to vent sore-loser frustrations, don't bother reading anything that might harsh your racist buzz.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

W Blue, you may want to try cutting and pasting people's thoughts rather than retyping them. You may have unintentionally revealed too much about your private habits by telling us what “has been effectively rubtted many, many times already.”

Whatever you're rubbing, keep it to yourself. We're talking politics over here.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

“Well I guess we'll see if barking dogs have any bite,because this is the question that every American that has run and has been elected has gladly provein the right that they are americans,and gladly produced their b/c,their school records ,health records,except this one,Some one who through Illinos politics has found the hole to slip through.Illinos doesn't require any proof that you or any one else has to prove or produce any doucments that verifiys his or her orgins of birth,This is how they vet anyone to run for any office in goverment.They let them vet themselves.a obivous violaltion of the rules the rest of the nation finds applauding,that no one “EVER” has ask for or checked this man out other than taking his word.Obama put the dogs to check out McCain and when they turned and ask obama he wouldn't.In fact the frist excutive order he signed wasn't onthe ecomony it was to seal “ALL” his records? If he has admitted he was a doper then what else is there to hide.maybe the fact that he was a foriegn exchange student?that he came here on funding for foriegn exchange student visa.If Obama ran on “TRANSPARENTICY he isn't keeping his promises but that ain't new.He said he would bring the troops home and this month alone he's sending 21,000 more,but get this he's have our troops mirrandize the Afgan prisioners ?He's treating them as if they were US CITIZENS?they are military prisioners? This is why we brither are so adment that obama isn't working for the people who gave him his J.O.B.” — runninbear

Please don't drink and write, runninbear. It does no one any good. Have some respect for the birthers whose arguments you've mangled and cheapened.

They have enough to do by trying to prove that their conspiracy theory is better than any other conspiracy theory ever concocted, all in the face of a year's worth of official statements authenticating a birth certificate that is irrelevant to his citizenship anyway (President Obama's mother was a U.S. citizen, so the birth certificate could say he was born on Mars and he's still the President), all in the face of a birth certificate that has been provided by the President during his election campaign and authenticated by the highest state officials with authority over this issue in Hawaii, which has a Republican governor. Their lawsuits have all been tossed by the judge's own motion as frivolous and not worth the Court's time.

But now, to take you on their side, they also have to take up your arguments, which are that:

- the state of Illinois (to which you have no doubt never travelled) just lets any old Tom, Dick or Barack Hussein do anything they want without even showing a frequent flier card;

- the President has not released his 2nd grade transcript so we can see how he did in the “listens quietly at story-telling time when it's other children's turn” category that is so essential to good Presidential decision-making;

- no one “has checked this man out other than taking his word” and other than reading his two best-selling books (or listening to the spoken-word version of one, which managed to win a Grammy despite going unnoticed), listening to one of his hundreds of speeches, reading one of his thousands of interviews, watching one of his dozens of debates, scrolling endlessly through his detailed websites, paying any attention at all to the goings-on at the U.S. Senate when he joined the Foreign Relations Committee and became privy to the nation's most closely-guarded secrets (at least the ones Cheney told us at the time) or showing up to see him and ask questions in person as he spent 18 months running for President;

- Obama “put the dogs to check out McCain and when they turned and ask obama [sic] he wouldn't — maybe because he was too stunned at the endless replay of nonsense about Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers to have the heart to ask the media to look into why McCain had his POW records sealed by an Act of Congress that applies only to him; why McCain got kicked out of the Naval Academy for poor grades, got put back in when he reminded them that his dad and granddad were admirals, and still managed to graduate fifth from the BOTTOM in a class of 799; why McCain stood against a federal holiday for Martin Luther King, Jr.; why McCain left his wife after she got crippled in a car accident so he could meet a former USC cheerleader he met at a Navy Party when he was still married and when they both lied about their ages; or why he called that same 2nd wife a “cunt” in front of 3 journalists just because she teased him about his hair;

- his “frist” executive order was somehow to seal his records, when it obviously was not;

- he was a foreign exchange student who was the first foreign exchange student in history to be born in America;

- he said he would bring the troops home and he isn't working for the people. Instead he's trying to win the war against the bad guys who actually attacked us, and he's spending all of his time at a ranch in Crawford, I mean all of his time trying to get health care for poor suckers like you who spend all your time drinking and then posting nutjob conspiracy theories.

This is why I said please don't drink and write, runninbear. You're embarrassing yourself and making us use translation software to take your post from gibberish to English.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

Me, too. But I'm afraid that you “Liberals” have the most direct link to Nazi Germany. Fellow socialists, and all that.

The Republicans were rotten bastards back when they were calling themselves “Whigs.” The roots of their evil run even deeper than do your own.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

Is there content in this maundering screed? Hm. Even if there's nothing to address in this bolus of bilge, there's the presumption that the attack on Barry Soetoro's lawful qualification to have run for and to hold the office of President of these United States present a “great fund-raising” opportunity for the “Liberals.”

No, I don't think so. Those who would've opened their pockets to the Mombasa Messiah and his fellahin – principally the tax-consumers (those who “vote for a living”) and those who rely upon the left wing of the great Boot-On-Your-Neck Party for their privileges and pelf – have always had incentive sufficient to support their thieves in public office, and need no more further encouragement to come up with time and effort and pelf to put at the disposal of the National Socialists.

But folks in the margins…. Those people (many of them voters as well as potential suckers – er, “contributors”) receive this “Show Us Your Birth Certificate, You Sonofabitch!” movement with a bit different perception, don't they?

“What if he really IS breaking the law?” they think. “What the hell ELSE is he hiding?”

And, of course, “Who IS this guy?”

Lawfully elected chief magistrate of this nation, or friggin' fraud?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Where was I during Dubbya' s reign of error? Attacking HIM, of course.

Where the hell were you, stevie?


billymassie
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:46 pm

If he was born in the United States, then he IS a citizen of the United States.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Hawaii is not a state. If you do some basic research you would know that Hawaii's statehood was never ratified. The vote had to be unamious and Missouri voted against it. The reason we have 50 stars on the flag is just a clerical mistake.

Geeze, you libs should get back in touch with reality!


MilliJoolz
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:30 am

Christian:
“Geeze, you libs should get back in touch with reality!”

Which one? I'm so confused.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:37 am

But inasmuch as he was born in Mombasa, he's not a citizen of these United States who is qualified to have run for or to serve as President of these United States. That's pretty straightforward, isn't it, billy?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:40 am

A valid Hawaii Certification of Live Birth (COLB) is most certainly “dmissible evidence in all courts, state and federal,” steve.

A couple of doctored computer graphic images are not.

What you have to “support” your case, little boy, are a couple of badly butchered Frankenstein monsters of cobbled-together digital crap. Not a valid legal document.

What about that don't you understand, stevie?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 6:16 am

What kind of biology major thinks science-fiction is “SyFy?”

Wouldn’t be the kind of biology major that believes in conspiracy theories, would it?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 6:16 am

What kind of biology major thinks science-fiction is “SyFy?”

Wouldn’t be the kind of biology major that believes in conspiracy theories, would it?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 6:31 am

Cop a clue, stevie. The people who own and run what used to be called “the SciFi Channel” have changed the name to “the SyFy Channel.” It’s a trade name, and even though I don’t like it, I try to use trademarked terms correctly.

The guy who invented the term “SciFi” back in the fifties, by the way, was Forrest J. Ackerman, a well-known SF fan. He got dunned for it mercilessly through the rest of his life, and the term – deliberately mispronounced “skiffy” – has been used by fen to describe Hollywoodesque pseudo-science fiction of ludicrous character and high levels of low intelligence.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 6:31 am

Cop a clue, stevie. The people who own and run what used to be called “the SciFi Channel” have changed the name to “the SyFy Channel.” It’s a trade name, and even though I don’t like it, I try to use trademarked terms correctly.

The guy who invented the term “SciFi” back in the fifties, by the way, was Forrest J. Ackerman, a well-known SF fan. He got dunned for it mercilessly through the rest of his life, and the term – deliberately mispronounced “skiffy” – has been used by fen to describe Hollywoodesque pseudo-science fiction of ludicrous character and high levels of low intelligence.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:33 am

“But is this – or anything you'd written above, steve – pertinent to the fact that your Mombasa Messiah is a criminal, usurping the powers and authorities of a public office which he knew from the beginning he was unqualified to stand for or to hole? No? Well, I didn't think so.” — Tuci78

Nothing that YOU write, Tuci78, is pertinent to anything except an investigation from the Secret Service. See, the problem with you is that you're too obvious to be amusing.

If you were anywhere near as intelligent as you profess to be on this thread, you wouldn't do two things that you did on this thread:

1. You wouldn't be a birther. Next point.

2. You wouldn't write in multiple posts about how much you desire to get the President's throat between your thumbs and how appropriate the guillotine would be for him, etc.

Because, see, both things immediately identify you as not only stupid, but a danger to yourself and others.

Any disagreement? How did you enjoy the Chris Matthews show yesterday when he ripped Campbell's heart out? How about CNN's Rick Sanchez bewilderment that he even had to explain this nutjob story?

Still, you're stupid. And even other BIRTHERs are smart enough not to make assassination hints, threats, or wish lists against the President.

But go on, tell us again about your standardized test performance.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:43 am

Gawd, steve. If I were a pshrink I'd be calling you “paranoid” 'round about now. You really want me investigated by the Secret Service? You think I'm a criminal? For voicing the reasoned supposition that your Fraudulence-in-Chief is a friggin' crook, and that his concealment of everything in his personal records (including his real, physical, print-on-paper birth certificate) is cause enough to put into serious doubt his lawful qualification to be farting into that big chair behind the Resolute desk?

Purely rhetorical question here: Stevie, baby, are you out of your tiny little mind?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:00 am

Don't move the goalpost, test-taker. I don't think your paranoid rambling conspiracy theory makes you a criminal. I think that makes you stupid.

I think your threats against the President, made in multiple posts, makes you both stupid and a criminal.

It has been against the law to make threats against the President for a long time, as anyone as intelligent as you profess to be would know. They take all such threats seriously, as anyone… you get my point? No? Well, that's because you're stupid.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:03 am

And your proof that he was born in Mombasa would be stellar, Tuci, except that it's nonexistent. Which is a shame, because without proof, that statement becomes just another in a long string of shit you've pulled out of your ass on this thread.

Please show some manners and go to the washroom, where your excrement is more appropriately disposed of.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:04 am

Good to see you're back on the meds, Florida. I was afraid you'd given up and accepted reality.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:22 am

What “goalpost,” dimwit? You're alleging I'm some kind of “criminal” on precisely what grounds?

(( Yeah, I know; he's an Obamaphile. His “grounds” are the same as those of Swift's Laputa. ))

What “threats” have I made against your Messiah, stevie? Wanna specify?

Gawd. Ya gotta love this guy. If people like this weren't the essence of Barry's political base, you might think it'd be necessary to invent a noodge like him, just to provide a stalking horse.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:26 am

That there is reasonable expectation of Barry's birth in Mombasa is borne of the Kenyan government's very loud announcement, in the months preceding the National Socialist Party's presidential primaries, that they had sealed Mr. Soetoro's medical records in Kenya “permanently, until after the U.S. elections.”

If he didn't have such medical records in Kenya (and especially if a few of the folk in the Kenyan government weren't aware of the fact that scrutiny of those records would kill Barry's bid for the presidency Dead Right There), there wouldn't have been an announcement, would there?

“Move along now. Nothing to see here. Move along now….”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:28 am

What I don't understand, test-taker, is what any of what you said has to do with the price of the drugs you take.

I don't have the burden of proof. Neither does the President. The wacko conspiracy theorists do. As they do in court. Which is why their cases get tossed as frivolous. Because they have no evidence.

So to be correct, I have “nothing” on my side, because if I represented the President I could show up to court without a thing in my hands and still walk out to a victorious press conference. Where I'd stifle laughter the entire time. Because I don't have to prove a thing. The birthers do. And they can't. They can just ask silly questions. Speaking of which, you write like your other job is doing PR work for the World Wrestling Federation. “Mombasa Messiah?” What, was Iron Sheik taken? God, you're stupid.

Look, I already told you you're stupid. I enjoy being proven correct, but you're making me blush, here. Please, stop!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:34 am

I don't “wanna” specify, but since you asked, I identified them in numbered point 2 of the first post on this topic, test-taker.

You wrote multiple posts about it, as anyone who bothers to click on the icon by your name and reads all your posts at one time could see.

Note carefully that I am not legally responsible for any nausea or upset stomach anyone may experience by trying to digest everything you wrote in one sitting.

Your writing sucks AND you're a birther AND you make stupid threats against the President. So I'm offended as a former English major, as a rational thinker, and as a patriotic American. Three strikes. You're out.

Even by birther standards, you're an embarrassment. If ever there was an argument against free speech (there isn't), you would be Exhibit A to that argument.


Carla in TN
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:38 am

I think it is fabulous. Lou, Rush, birthers. Idiots all, from the Republican Party! The GOP at it's best! Everywhere in here in TN. Stupidity in common, facts never an issue. Prudity and discrimination on a national scale. (Repugs do it with care)

The GOP need not be embarrassed, (note above, how she looks just like dear Sarah) it so you, wave your flag, beat your Bible, it is just a way to “tame the truth”, a never needed commodity, and show your superior book learnin and 3rd grade schoolin. Fabulous!!!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:42 am

If …. would there?” is a question. A question is not evidence. You have zero evidence, like I said at first.

What did I just tell you? That's right. Hey you got one right! You remembered that I said you're stupid.

See, now you're one for four. You can't write, can't think rationally, and can't keep from making actionable threats against the sitting Commander in Chief, but you can remember things I say.

OH wait, your continued postings demonstrate that you didn't listen when I said you are stupid. You're oh for four, test-taker. What's that? Zero percent? Am I right? You're good at math. You tell me.


runninbear
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:47 am

Actually Ive been to Illinois many times, and and you must have been smoking something if you think it doesn't work that way in the great state of Obama.Im not going to even replay facts to someone who refuses to acknowledge that Bill Ayers is an unrepentant,abortion bombing murderer,and Jerimiah Wright is the biggest black racists that this country has? The fact that youve found all this things out proves that McCain wasn't hiding anything.Im not a fan of McCain but when they “ask” and the key word here is “ASKED” he gave every doucment they “ask” for ?Obama is still paying lawyers thousands of dollars,to have his records sealed,and FYI it was the “FRIST ” thing he signed? The second was an abortion funding bill?,but the funniest one yet is the fact that you are using Obama owns words he wrote about himself as fact to vet him.just like I said he did and now your saying what he wrote is a fact and proving my point?Thanks!. ?lol,I know where McCain went to second grade? and I also want you to know that you brought up his P.O.W. record,and fyi did you know President Grant was once kicked out of West Point for “GRADES”I guess you would call him a loser too?Where's Obama's military record? and if you wanted to find out all you have to do is Google it,not take him to the Supreme court like Obama.I won't even go there,No I will Ann Obama was a sex toy for Frank Davis,a communist poet pediofile that,had 3 somes with a 13 year old,I guess you missed the nude photos of his mom posing for frank and his wife on the internet?and she abandoned Obama on at least 2 occassions,because of his drug use that he and Uncle Frank and grandpa Dunham got high together, thats how he got dumped on grand ma's door step,because she thought intervention didn't work?and it didn't while she trolling for another pediofile to get hooked up playing the harlot? If you think McaCain was a terrible husband,let me tel you about your Obama has been involved in. he has a cousin named Raila Odingas,I like to call him “BLoody Odingas,When Obama was a Senator he travel to Kenya on taxpayers money,while he was there he campaigned for his cousin,actively,when he lost the election Raila took his supporters and caught 55 parishisioner of the Penetcaostal church there and burned it and them to the ground,when it was all done he had killed hundreds of people,and the only way they could stop him was to share the position with him,They made him Prime Minister?Fyi (That's why we can't prove hes kenyan?) while Obama was there he took part in a Foriegin Political Oath of alliegence to their political party”The LOU TRIBAL LOYALITY OATH” an anicent oath to the same party his grand father was involved with, Doing this could be another reason why he may be inelligable to hold office.This is a direct conflict of our oath,when he took his oath he said he had no loyalities to any other country?another LIE? As for his voting record obama voted 3 times against The Infant borned Alive act, Thats “INFANTCIDE”Thats when babies aren't wanted and they abort them by taking them to the place where the discard their dirty linen and leave the baby there among the dirty sheets until it dies,some times taking anywhere from 45 min to 8 hours?here watch this http://www.nohussien.org,or(BAIPA) http://www.Defend Christians.org.and tell me about voting records and morals,The reason he gave was (It did have the lanugage he wanted),it passed every where else and he was the chairman over this commitee,and he couldn'tget the lanuage like he wanted(that's sic)FYI The fact that you claim he was the frist Foriegin exchange student in history that was was a forieginer in the country he was supossed to have been borned in?LMAO?is that what they call an Oxy moron?lol.would you explain how that is possible?and the fact that you have as much said you believe he was a “FORIEGIN EXCHANGE STUDENT” makes him a DUAL CITIZEN?Man you guys make it too EASY?LOL
Hes trying to win a war that he never believed in and he promised he would bring the troops home in (16) months instead he just sent 21,ooo to Afganistan?and he's mirrandizing them.MILITARY PRISONERS? and They fled to Afgnistan because we kick their ass out of Iraq and the “PEOPLE” gave him the job he has and he is supposed to to working for” WE THE PEOPLE”I guess like him you forgot that too ?Fyi you have mention the fact that drinking is something you seem to think you know a lot about.fyi It's not my speech that has you afraid it's the “FACTS”and if my bloging is starting to sound like gibbish slow down on the BOOZE?LOL.here's mud in your eye?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:56 am

“lol,I know where McCain went to second grade? and I also want you to know that you brought up his P.O.W. record” – runninbear

Hmmm. You wasted a lot of time memorizing McCain's grammar school history when you could have really drilled down on critical thinking, spelling, and punctuation.

Thank you for pointing out that I brought up McCain's P.O.W. record. I was aware of that, as I am the one who brought it up.

Really, if you're going to write 16 inches of text, shouldn't you do more than let me know that I brought up something I brought up? Because you ask a lot of your readers to have them paddle their way through that infested swamp of words.

Please, please stop drinking and posting. I won't even say stop drinking. Just do it AFTER you post, not before.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Well, since Zocor went off-patent, the price of simvastatin has come down precipitously, thanks.

So how is it that you conjure that you and your fellow Obamaphiles don't labor under the burden of proof? The proposition you seek to advance is: “Barry Soetoro, that miserable socialist sonofabitch, IS qualified by virtue of his birth in Hawaii to serve as President of these United States.”

Okay. So prove it. The guy's mom was flying all over the friggin' world in 1961, her belly a-bulge with little Barry. His dad was born and raised in Kenya, and was a British subject at that time. Why the hell should anybody take your word, stevie, or that of any other vicious, scheming, thieving socialist raper-of-small-dogs that your Mombasa Messiah was any more truthful in his claim of birthplace than he's been in anything else he's ever said?

You want “burden of proof,” you simpleton? You got “burden of proof.”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:01 am

“I won't even go there,No I will Ann Obama was a sex toy for Frank Davis,a communist poet pediofile that,had 3 somes with a 13 year old and Franks young black wife,some even say thats his daddy?” – runninbear

You had it right the first time, runninbear. Shouldn't have gone there. You're disturbed. And you haven't listened to my well-intentioned advice to put down the bottle before you head for the computer room.

Sober up. Then cancel your subscription to the All Rupert Network.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:12 am

“Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.”

H.L. Mencken. And he was a Democrat, too.

Tch. Stevie, you really are floating out there in a sea of paranoia, ain'tcha?

Oh, and you're “a former English major,” eh?

Well, now, THAT explains a helluva lot, right there.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:12 am

My goodness, test-taker. You're even stupider than I thought.

I don't have the burden of proof. Neither does any anti-birther. Neither does the President. He's already the President. We anti-birthers agree with Chief Justice John Roberts, who said so on January 20, 2009.

That is why the cases get thrown out as frivolous, test-taker. Because the birthers bear the burden of proof. And they have none.

Oh, I know it's no fun to argue with conspiracy theorists if you make them bear the burden of proof. That works with Bigfoot. Doesn't work here. Because there's an actual burden of proof in the law, and it's against your side and in favor of mine.

Imagine me, a simpleton, knowing something you, a test-taker, do not! Wow!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:20 am

It at least explains the basis upon which I'm qualified to assess your writing skills, which, as I mentioned, lend themselves more to promotional advertising for the World Wrestling Federation.

You're no longer interesting enough for me to pick apart. It would be nice if you at least had something funny to say.

Good luck shopping your “Chicken Little meets Archie Bunker and has a threesome with Sarah Palin” conspiracy theory, test-taker.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:35 am

Oh, I have no proof that Barry was born in Mombasa. I don't need it. It's simply a reasonable supposition, to be disproven by hard evidence that his bulging-belly'd mommy delivered in Honolulu and instead didn't precipitate in Kenya before she managed to get home to her parents' place.

Haven't you noticed that the current government of Kenya announced loudly, at the start of the National Socialist Party's presidential primaries gymkhana, that they were sealing Barry's personal medical records in that country “permanently, until after the U.S. elections”?

Which means, of course, that Barry HAS medical records in Kenya. Maybe a nice “long-form” birth certificate with at least one of his footprints on it?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Test-taker, I must say thanks for one thing. I had worried that perhaps you were joking, and that consequently I wouldn't get to mock you endlessly and with ease.

But you were 100 percent, dumb-as-a-box-of-hammers serious. Thanks for not letting me down.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:41 am

Whoops. Posted one step up. It's not that I need evidence, though, Stevie.

The positive proposition (as I've already written) is: “The empty suit now advertised under the name of 'Barack Hussein Obama' was born in Hawaii.”

Now, the proof of that proposition requires some sort of valid, reliable documentation.

Of such documentation, we have two obviously slammed-together computer graphic images and precisely nothing else.

Ergo the proposition is not proven. Moreover, given other manifest of Barry's stonewalling EVERYTHING in his personal records (I won't recite the litany), there's more than sufficient reason to presume that he's hiding something that would be absolutely fatal to his faux presidency.

What is it about this that you don't want to “get,” stevie? You don't want the people of these United States to know just EVERYTHING about your Mulignane Miracle Man?

Gee, why should that be so?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:59 am

Oh, good heavens. The “former English major” arrogates to himself the authority to grade my prose. How charming.

Hey, stevie? I'm a former Biology major (though I did do Honors English in my freshman year in college). You know what us science geeks think about you liberal arts cripples?

Hey, sure you do!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 4:04 am

And you're not “serious,” stevie?

Well, hell. No surprise there.

But you're manifestly concerned that the continuing discussion of your Anointed One's qualification to continue jerking off in the privacy of the Oval Office will result in a lack of credence in his bona fides, ain'tcha?

Much as you want this issue (and attending concerns pivoting on Barry's astonishing effort to “seal” everything up to and including his Kindergarten records) to go away, it isn't.

Y'know, stevie, you remind me of those Republicans supporting Nixon back in '68. Really.

Cool.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 6:29 am

“The fact that you claim he was the frist Foriegin exchange student in history that was was a forieginer in the country he was supossed to have been borned in?LMAO?is that what they call an Oxy moron?lol.would you explain how that is possible?and the fact that you have as much said you believe he was a “FORIEGIN EXCHANGE STUDENT” makes him a DUAL CITIZEN” – runninbear

Wow. Put the bottle down and read closely.

I said President Obama was the first foreign exchange student in history to be born in the U.S.

That is an example of sarcasm. Because, see, President Obama was born in the U.S., which means he's not a foreign exchange student. He's American. So says the State of Hawaii. and he's President. So says Chief Justice John Roberts. And he's black. So says all these stupid birther complaints.

But yours takes the cake. Tuci78 thinks he's being cute when he's really just proving how stupid he is. You're just proving that alcohol is rightfully classified as a mind-altering drug.

Are there really no more birthers left to ridicule? Have you all gone back to re-enacting the Civil War? Come quick, the Virgin Mary has been sighted in a stain on the ceiling of a Waffle House not far from here!


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stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:04 am

Birthers are racist.

For those who say birthers aren't racist, I present here a few quotes from Randwulf. They all appeared on one 109 post thread. I haven't bothered to look at any of his racist comments made in other threads, like the one with 2,869 comments. If you fuss about it someone will compile a master list including comments from others as well, and prove you that much MORE wrong.

Oh, and he also gives away birther philosophy. So this is a Birther Rosetta Stone. Every other word after this sentence is a direct quote of Randwulf, and the last quote is a nod to Florida Christian, so enjoy!

“I think he is an Indonesian wetback, an illegal alien in every sense of the word.” [posted twice on same thread, days apart]

“Monkeys are experts on where to find nuts. Aren't they ALFTURD?”

“Monkeyf@cker.”

“Yes like when you call me a “racist”. Turnabout is fair play MONKEYF@CK!”

“But, its all good. Laugh away. Eat bananas and fling pooh! The monkeys can never run the zoo for very long before more advanced primates must move back in, hose down all the $hit and restore order. Looking forward to that!!”

“Wack-a-doodle? Hmm is that some new kind of mongrel breed or something? Why don't you guys run one of them for office! Oh and this time, make sure he has all his records, so we don't have to go through all this again.”

“I don't remember mentioning race at all, so it is you “making it clear” that I must harbor “racist” sentiments.”

“Man have I got a list of who's been naughty and who's been nice. Got ammo?”

[Birther Philosophy revealed below!]

“Whatever they have, we want to see it. We won't stop until we have it. Argument over it is pointless. The original documents will tell all. And then we will go for all the rest of the documents that he refuses to release.”

[Florida Christian Alert!]

“This whole sick episode would have been laid to rest long ago if…”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

I can tell you where I WASN’T, test-taker.

I wasn’t sitting next to you in the basement of the World Wrestling Federation Headquarters, writing copy for Wrestlemania XX –”this time it’s for money! Who will win the galactic face-off between Hacksaw Jim Duggan and the Mombasi Madrassa Mugabe? Tune in to find out, Patriots! Til’ then, keep praying to Jeebus!”

Seriously. You…are..a…tool. I have never met anyone so dumb who pretends to be so smart. Literally every conversation you’ve had with me has ended up with you getting humiliated by the nonsense you say without even being asked a question.

I hope you stick around. I’d never be able to replace you.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Hey, test-taker, why did you change “farting into his chair into the Oval Office” into “jerking off in the privacy of the Oval Office?”

You studied ALL the bullshit you've written on this site, and THAT is the change you made? Was that a stylistic edit, or one that you believe contains a substantive difference?

And hey, test-taker, didn't anyone ever tell you that you're supposed to go with your first impulse? See, this is why I keep having to remind you that you're stupid. Because you are.

But hey, don't let me stop you from exercising that giant brain of yours.

Get back to farting in your chair, or pissing into your orange juice, or whatever the hell you do when the pills for Wednesday aren't going to arrive until Friday.

But before you do, what's your opinion on the relative hierarchy between the words “booger” and “loogie?” Show your work, test-taker!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

You're the one going around trying to remove the comments where you STUPIDLY threatened the President. You're the one who's paranoid. And 5 kinds of stupid.

Failed again, test-taker. Your posts are already recorded.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

“The world is round not flat.” –MikeB

What evidence do you have to prove that the world is round not flat?

I'm talking legit evidence. Dont tell me about any of the obvious fakes that have been discussed and shredded by my online newsletter already.

It seems like such a simple request. Just back up what your saying, dude. ANY map that has a certificate (not certification) of authenticity should be able to prove your point, and then this whole thing will be laid to rest.

If you dont want to admit your wrong just say it libtard. Just say your wrong and this whole thing goes away.

______________________________

–jimpa, 2 hours ago

Evidence :
Most Americans believe the world isn't flat. Just a small group of people believe that the earth is flat.

Astronauts and cosmonauts has seen the earth and state that the world isn't flat.

We have satellites orbiting the planet and their data says the world isn't flat.

Go to any main stream news source and it will state the world isn't flat.

Sailors at some point would fall off the flat surface.

________________________________

–stephenperry, 2 hours ago

Lies. Damnable lies.

1 – Link, please. Not to one of your commie libtard sites. Just a small group of people freed the U.S. mainland from British tyranny and lazy shiftless Native American Indians, pal. Dont tread on me.

2 – The moon landing was faked. Prove that it wasn't. Without using faked proof. I don't trust cosmonauts, they're commie fascist socialist marxist leftist rightist upist downists.

3 – You don't effing know what our satellites say unless you can read encrypted spy satellite code, libtard. We don't trust dumbocrats with national security.

4 – Main stream media is a libtard sewer.

5 – They'd have to go off the EDGE, Obamaphile. Who's dumb enough to sail off the edge? Sailors, like my grandfather and greatgrandfather who both served three tours in Iraq and Afghanistan AND Gettysburg, know how to steer a ship. Unlike you, libtard.

Jesus H. Christ. DO ANY OF YOU LIBTARDS HAVE A BRAIN IN YOUR COMMIE LEFTIST HEADS?

I have no idea how Florida Christian doesn't just giggle himself right off his computer chair every day.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

“These people believe in the book of revelation. Stop using logic, man; it don't work 'round them parts!” —nofriendofetilaat

Wait. You're implying that the book of revelation is not true and that it is wrong to believe in it.

But I have READ from it. Please re-think what you are saying. You will realize it is false and heretical and hurtful to the feelings of the many who have bought books and cassette tapes.

I say to you again that I have read it. Verily, I have read it frontwards and backwards. It is real and it is true. For it has been handed down from upon a higher mountain than ye have summitted, and so shall it come to pass way down lower than thou hast knelt.

As true today as it was when it was written.

The Four Horsemen are not literal. Neither is anything in the Bible. But I will reveal all to you now, so that ye may not be blind, but that ye may see.

It is all something a guy said to other guys so that he could lay with other guys' wives and liberate them from the burden of owning land and teach them how loving and just it is to retaliate not against thy neighbor who lays with thy wife and liberates thy land out from under thee before abandoning ye to go to Argentina to enter into a tighter, younger, more willing bond of soul and body whilst leaving no one to watch over thy flock that thy neighbors in Georgia and North Carolina do not steal everything but thy chariot wheelcaps.

And covet not the covenant thou hast seen thy neighbor enter into with his mortgage broker on terms more favorable than have been covenanted to thee because of thine unholy credit report.

Meanwhile, do not eat of the swine flesh or God will visit you with boils. Not clear on why God wants to see you when He has boils but I reckon it is a sight that would scare you back to beef.

So the Book of Revelation is not “true” in some liberal weenie way as in “that stuff actually came to pass.” But I believe in it. I know what I know. And the Book of Revelation is real. Because if I don't say so, then I'll go to hell and the Church will take all my stuff when I die instead of letting me pass my estate to my mistress, her husband, and 2 of her 3 children.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

Well, test-taker, it seems to me that you should really have stuck around for a second year of college. No sense pushing it out to a third or fourth year. But with another year under your belt, you could have made something of yourself.

Instead of just writing dumbassed threats against the President that you're even now trying futilely to “sanitize” while wondering what THEY already know. Even a preteen knows you can't make death threats against a public official.

God, you're stupid. All that libertarian Ayn Rand crap in your head could have come from the backs of sugar packets for all the good it does you, test-taker!


no_free_lunch
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Below are two official emails that dispute the public version of Obama’s Birth and his mother’s marriage to BHO Sr.

From: pubrec@u.washington.edu [mailto:pubrec@u.washington.edu]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008
Subject: Re: Stanley “Ann” Dunham 1960 to 1970 class registration

Ms. Stanley Ann Dunham (BHO II’s mom) was enrolled at the University of Washington for:

Autumn 1961
Winter 1962
Spring 1962

The records responsive to your request from the University of Washington are above as provided by the Public Disclosure Laws of Washington State. This concludes the University’s response to your Public Records request. Please feel free to contact our office if you have any questions or concerns.

Madolyne Lawson
Office of Public Records
206-543-9180

From: Stuart Lau [mailto:stuartl@hawaii.edu]
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008
Subject: Re: Inquiry

The University of Hawaii at Manoa is only able to provide the following information for Stanley Ann Dunham:
Dates of attendance:
Fall 1960 (First day of instruction 9/26/1960)
Spring 1963 – Summer 1966
Fall 1972 – Fall 1974
Summer 1976
Spring 1978
Fall 1984 – Summer 1992

Degrees awarded:
BA – Mathematics, Summer 1967 (August 6, 1967)
MA – Anthropology, Fall 1983 (December 18, 1983)
PhD – Anthropology, Summer 1992 (August 9, 1992)

Sincerely, Stuart Lau
****************************************
Stuart Lau
University Registrar
Office of Admissions and Records
University of Hawaii at Manoa
Ph: (808) 956-8010
****************************************

Commentary on University Emails:

For the BHO II Hawaiian Aug 4 1961 COLB to be accurate the following improbable events needed to occur:

1 month after starting classes, Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack’s mom, at age 17, got pregnant by the only black African man on the entire chain of Hawaiian islands.
2 months after getting pregnant, she drops out of college.
3 months after getting pregnant, she marries BHO Sr.
10 months after her first day at the U of HI, she delivers BHO II and immediately leaves her parents, her new husband, and her home, to fly alone with a newborn 2800 miles to Seattle to start college at the U of W.
Stanley Ann Dunham does not return to Hawaii until AFTER BHO Sr left the islands for Harvard.

This is an implausible series of events made even more nefarious because Obama II in his 2 bio books never mentions his mom left Hawaii when she was married to BHO Sr, nor does he mention she was in Washington State during this time.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Excellent research, I think I can even add to what you have uncovered.

From: king@mars.org

Sent: Oct 12, 2008

Subject: Employent of Obamas Mom

This is to certify the Obamas Mom worked in the steno pool for the King of Mars from June to Oct 1961.

Commentary: A flight to Mars takes at least 3 years so it would have been impossible for her to have her baby on earth.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

Down below, we've got stephenperry writing:

“Hey, test-taker, why did you change 'farting into his chair into the Oval Office' into 'jerking off in the privacy of the Oval Office?'

“You studied ALL the bullshit you've written on this site, and THAT is the change you made? Was that a stylistic edit, or one that you believe contains a substantive difference?

“And hey, test-taker, didn't anyone ever tell you that you're supposed to go with your first impulse? See, this is why I keep having to remind you that you're stupid. Because you are.

“But hey, don't let me stop you from exercising that giant brain of yours.

“Get back to farting in your chair, or pissing into your orange juice, or whatever the hell you do when the pills for Wednesday aren't going to arrive until Friday.

“But before you do, what's your opinion on the relative hierarchy between the words 'booger' and 'loogie? Show your work, test-taker!”

Hm. Insofar as I'm aware, the term “booger” is most commonly applied to dried mucous digitally picked or otherwise expelled from the nares, while the expression “loogie” is a bolus of viscous mucous secretions (originating either in the upper or lower airways) and coughed into the mouth for expectoration.

Oh. Were you trying to make a “funny,” stevie?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

“Remove,” stevie? First, I don't know how to remove comments (my own or anyone else's). Second, I'm not aware that any of my comments have been removed from this Web site.

Let's say that you've enabled email to provide you with a “push” of those comments entered into the pages on this Web site to which you've been posting. It would follow that in your email program, you have some sort of log of all such postings, including those of mine to which you take such frothingly vehement exception.

Having those contents, you could readily post whatever it is you conceive to have been those of mine in which you aver I had “threatened” your beloved Barry.

Given that I'm not aware of any such comments of mine, I'm not about to go through my own log. This homework assignment is yours, and I wish you well in it.

And your grade on this assignment WILL go on your permanent record, stevie.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Hm? Little stevie, are you mistaking my earlier admission that I'd had a year of German “im gymnasium” for some sort of indication that I'd only had a year of college?

Boy, you really don't know German at all, do you? “Gymnasium” is the common German term for “high school.” I had a year of German in 9th Grade (freshman year of high school). After which I got transferred to another school that didn't have German in the curriculum, whereupon I took three years of another language.

I'm not as rusty in German as I might be, probably because it's useful in swotting military history.

I have noticed that some of my posts have been ablated, but I'm damned if I know why. Somebody hit the “Report” button and the arbiters decided that they didn't like my use of “cuss words,” perhaps? I'm now trying to moderate the Anglo-Saxonisms. We'll see how that works out.

Oh, and Mrs. O'Connor hated libertarians.

You've never read her stuff? Well, you should start.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Dumbass! You try to lie even worse than you try to tell the truth.

Didn't they have tests where you got a chance to find out that you cannot lie convincingly? Test-taker, you disappoint me. Talk about a flame-out! Or a flamer.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:49 am

What I like is that not only did you edit the ONLY bullshit you've written that didn't need a heavy re-write; not only are you too stupid to avoid making written death threats against the President; and not only are you too stupid to understand when you're being mocked…

But of ALL the questions posed to you that you actually decide to answer, you pick the one I asked you in jest to prove what a tool you are.

How about answering my question about what evidence you have to prove ANY of the wacko claims you're aligned with on the birther side? Have you looked up “burden of proof” on Wikipedia yet, test-taker? See, yet again. You keep proving that you're stupid.

Keep scrubbing those posts of assassination threats, test-taker. Did you find the one where you fantasize about him meeting the guillotine? How about the one where you talk about a guy with a middle name and a mail order junk rifle? How about when you go seamlessly from quoting Hamlet's to be or not to be soliloquy (“tis a consummation devoutly to be wished”) like the tool that you are, into a fantasy about getting the President's throat between your thumbs?

I bet you're going to piss your pants every time the doorbell rings, test-taker. And you should. You're a tool.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:59 am

You have to decrease the pepper-to-salt ratio that you're putting on your breakfast cereal, Florida.

Any fool knows the Martians don't use email. They twitter via the 5 foot 6 inch empty metallic antennae known as Sarah Moosejaw Palin.

You've managed to fool a lot of people, but you finally slipped up and I just exposed you. How ya like them apples?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:04 am

Test-taker, ease up on the inhalation. Exhale.

You said you'd had Honors English in freshman year of college. It's right there in the post I was responding to. Which you'd have noticed if you actually kept your hands off your own crotch in Honors English class.

So, of course, my point is that even if you DID go to college for one year, you couldn't possibly have come back when classes resumed in the subsequent autumn.

I SAID I don't speak German. Wow. You're blowing me away with your acumen. Tool.

I sure as hell didn't report you to the moderator. I have way too much fun watching you try to deny writing what anyone with eyes and a mouse next to their keyboard can see that you wrote. Test-taker, you're a riot!


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:34 am

You and Florida seem to have things under control here. Copies of the threats against the President have been sent to the proper authorities. The after- birther is babbleing about boogers. What do you need me for?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:45 am

Pete, I need you to pose serious questions about where we go from here, so that in the downtime when the human freak show that is the birther movement is at a lull, we can actually exchange ideas that end with everyone involved both:

a) learning something from the dialogue and

b) feeling better about the future than before they began the dialogue.

You've done a good job of that in the “where do we go from here” series of Big Questions.

Other than that I just need you to confirm that I'm not seeing things — did test-taker really just answer my mocking question about a booger and a loogie? He's one of those guys that would try to define “supercalifragilisticexpialidocius” if you told him he didn't know what it meant.

We could use more people like that, during the downtime I mentioned above…


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:34 am

Ok. Time out.

We know you birthers have fun here. It's amusing and cathartic to vent, pose questions you don't intend to have answered, and insult the collective intelligence of not only state and federal government and national journalists, but highly-paid professional campaign personnel tasked with doing opposition research. You may even get to sneak in a little overt evidence of racism or xenophobia or weird biases against Teachers' Unions (TV announcer: “you're against discount bus fares for war widows?” Lisa Simpson: “uh, you bet I am!”).

But I'd like to know, for my own information, just what you birthers really expect to accomplish in the near term (4 years) by dint of this birtherism thing. Note carefully that I said “expect.” So your answer cannot contain any of the following words: guillotine, deported, “massive coverup,” or Sarah Palin.

Naturally, this would be less fun if only birthers got to answer. So I throw it open to all, to take a REALISTIC look into the crystal ball and see what the birthers will accomplish. Your responses cannot contain the phrase “rum, buggery, and the lash” but that is because I just stole that phrase from a colleague here and my royalty payments will be for nothing if you rip off MY rip-off.

I'll go first.

I think the birther movement will do two things simultaneously, on parallel tracks.

First, it will force the base of the Republican party to solidify and harden around a false construct, like layers of pearl over a grain of sand. This grain of sand, an irritant, is the notion that Obama is illegitimate as ruler. It will never entirely disappear from the inner philosophical workings of the Republican party's base. So when the country moves on from this conspiracy theory, which I predict it will do in less than a month, it will force the birthers and Republicans in general instead to swallow something they don't want to digest. That is, not only is Obama legitimately President, but the country does NOT care as much as the birthers/Republicans do to have a Grand Examination of the Long Form. The rest of us are willing to be “duped” by numerous officials and nifty forgeries that are authenticated by “experts” and other associated white people. In other words, we fundamentally accept Obama's right to be President. They do not. Birth certificates and Constitutional implementing legislation has nothing to do with it. They just don't want him in the office, and any pretext at hand will suffice.

On the other, parallel, track, I think the country in general will recognize that the birther movement, crazy spectacle and easy target for mockery though it is, is nothing but a species of xenophobia and racism, and it is indefensible on any level. You can say crazy things about how global warming is a myth and polar bears really like swimming better than walking. You can cite to all sorts of right wing creationist websites to help back up your “Earth is only a day older than the Pyramids” theory.

But there isn't any body of evidence that supports the birthers. And so, as with the arrest of Skip Gates in his own home, when he was on the phone with his own home security company, after he showed his Harvard ID and identified himself as the home owner (never mind the 50 honorary degrees and the status as our nation's top black scholar — think about Stephen Hawking going to jail in a wheelchair for rolling into his own house and you'll begin to understand), people will look at this and say “if THIS isn't clear-cut, then what is?”

And so it will force us to take a clear look at how things really are in this country. In November a lot of us voted on the basis of what we WANTED the country TO BE. Whether you voted McCain or Obama, I feel that is true.

But not many of us were objective about what could be done. So now that President Obama continues certain executive privilege-oriented decisions of the former Bush Administration, and dawdles about closing Gitmo, etc., we find ourselves accepting certain political realities. Blue Dog Democrats will be the ones to stop health care, if anyone does. It won't be Michael “I don't do policy…I'm here to set a tone” Steele and the Republicans.

But we have yet to accept, in my view, racial and socioethnic realities. Face it, as Charlie Pierce from the Boston Globe said on Countdown tonight, “there's a nasty stew of racism and xenophobia at the bottom of this [birther issue]. I don't think there's any doubt about that.”

But a lot of people are invested in pretending that either it's not racism at all, or just that there is no way to be sure (in other words, there's doubt about whether there is in fact racism and xenophobia at the bottom of this issue). And I think those people will have to accept reality as they see the Ziplock Bag Lady With Better Veteran Relatives Than Your Veteran Relatives Because Her Veteran Relatives Fought In The Same Battles That Yours Did.

I don't think this will have stark political consequences at the Presidential level, other than to make Independents feel that much less comfortable voting Republican. Of course, there's not much reason for an Ind. to vote R these days anyway… I think it will raise money for both sides, but a LOT more for Democrats.

Ultimately we will look at birtherism as a footnote to history, an unpleasant QED to the question whether racism still exists in the 21st century. An example of the fringe who would say anything at all to avoid accepting reality. President Obama, after all, put his b.c. up on the web to dispose of a fringe-driven controversy about whether his middle name is actually Mohammed or Hussein. (You'd think the guy would have made up a name like “Winston” if he was gonna make it up — BIG leap all the way over to Mohammed, huh?)

Ok, I throw the floor to you as I resume the search for a tutor for my friend the test-taking assassinator, Tuci78.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:14 am

You're assuming, stevie, that the “construct” is false.

I am not working for the Republican Party's ascension – as I've attested repeatedly – but rather for your Messiah's nullification, however it can be managed, and to whatever degree such an impairment can be imposed upon him.

The outcome most fervently desired is his confinement to a federal penitentiary for the rest of his natural life, but I would settle gladly for his impeachment, even were the weak sisters of the Republican wing of our big, bipartisan Boot-On-Your-Neck Party to fail of extirpating him from the Oval Office.

A lifetime of experience and study has convinced me that a vigorously “activist” federal government is like a vigorous “activist” grizzly bear feeding upon your children. Anything that can be done to distract and confuse and befuddle that government is like something done to distract and confuse and confound that grizzly bear.

Before Mr. Soetoro and his sputniki – Red Party and Blue Party – proceed further with their plans of pillage and rapine and catastrophic horror, I would think it appropriate to test every possible line of attack even remotely likely to screw him up.

Given Mr. Soetoro's extraordinary efforts to conceal his personal past history from public scrutiny (as I'd written earlier, “He's covering up his crap as frenetically as a housecat dosed with a 30 cc bolus of castor oil”), there is plainly a helluva lot in those hermetically sealed records of his – beginning with his birth certificate – that Barry-boy knows will chop him off at the nutsac.

I'm just doing what I can to see that the purely figurative “amputation” (so to speak) is performed as soon as possible.

We've seen what he can do, we know what he intends to do, and the longer we wait, the more damage he will do. How long do you Obamaphiles want to continue mindlessly howling “Racist!” before opening your eyes to the astonishing malignancy of the “Hope & Change” bunco artist your gullibility has brought upon your nation?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:37 am

For you, Tuci, this was somewhat restrained. That's saying something, anyway. Thanks for the response.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:39 am

To prove a negative proposition (“Barry Soetoro, the stinking socialist sack of excrement, is not qualified to serve as President of these United States”) is not possible, and it is not possible to demand of a disputant that he prove a negative proposition.

The positive proposition (“This Mombasa Messiah, a secretive, conniving, prep-school pricklet raised 'Whiter than sour cream' by his Caucasian grandparents in Honolulu and pretending to be Black, is qualified by virtue of his birth in Hawaii to grunt on the Presidential toilet just off the Oval Office without having his narrow ass thrown into federal prison for the rest of his natural life”) is something that can be proven, and it is up to Barry and his fellahin to do so.

Thus far – especially given the extraordinary circumstances of his gadabout gestation, his cosmopolitan origins and early life, and his astonishing<./b> refusal to allow anyone to access the records pertinent to his personal history –

(( My schoolteachers used to nag me about what would be going “down on your permanent record, young man!” And here we have Barry, doing everything in his considerable weaseling lawyerly power to bury his “permanent record” where the sun don't shine…. ))

- what tenuous, vanishing, teensy little bit old Barry has proffered as “proof” supporting that positive proposition (a couple of exceedingly dubious computer graphic images no more real than the images projected on my grandson's TV screen by his PlayStation) just ain't gonna cut it.

Well, except for an Obamaphile dork like you, stevie. I keep wondering when you're going to get back to me about that real estate deal in Brooklyn. Sure, it's an old bridge, but it's a classic….

And given the state my prostate's been in for the past few years, I don't have to wait for the doorbell to hit the head, stevie. No incontinence yet (and none likely, as my urologist has assured me), but age does invoke its indignities on us as time passes. Oh, well.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:49 am

Well, I'm trying, stevie. Every maunder and mouthing of your Mombasa Messiah just brings up the old epinephrine levels.

But, hell, after eight years of Dubbya – and the eight years of Bubba preceding – you'd think I'd have developed some better tolerance of statist sonsofbitches in positions of public trust.

Oh, and you think my wishful expressions of a desire to see Barry translated to his everlasting glory – by way of Allah or Jehovah, take your, pick – consider the classic essay of H.L. Mencken, “The Malevolent Jobholder,” in which you'll read:

I propose that it shall be no longer malum in se for a citizen to pummel, cowhide, kick, gouge, cut, wound, bruise, maim, burn, club, bastinado, flay, or even lynch a [government] jobholder, and that it shall be malum prohibitum only to the extent that the punishment exceeds the jobholder’s deserts. The amount of this excess, if any, may be determined very conveniently by a petit jury, as other questions of guilt are now determined. The flogged judge, or Congressman, or other jobholder, on being discharged from hospital — or his chief heir, in case he has perished — goes before a grand jury and makes a complaint, and, if a true bill is found, a petit jury is empaneled and all the evidence is put before it. If it decides that the jobholder deserves the punishment inflicted upon him, the citizen who inflicted it is acquitted with honor. If, on the contrary, it decides that this punishment was excessive, then the citizen is adjudged guilty of assault, mayhem, murder, or whatever it is, in a degree apportioned to the difference between what the jobholder deserved and what he got, and punishment for that excess follows in the usual course.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:11 am

Interesting. I like Mencken, as almost any American who considers himself of normal or above-average intelligence does. And I like discussions of legal philosophy, such as why society considers certain crimes mala in se and others that are, to me, obviously worse on many levels, to be merely mala prohibita.

But what I don't like is that you've gone from talking about causing violence on the President in the first person, when you yourself made the threats, to talking about the very same thing in the third person, and you don't even give us what would be the transparent conceit of “Mencken said ____.” Instead we get to read a block quote as though it came from your own mouth.

The game you play isn't interesting to me, Tuci test-taker. It's dangerous for you. You're apparently too lost in your own intellect to see that. I have no doubt that you were once a smart guy. But you became a smartass. And you were never, for even a day in your life, as smart as I am. And I will never be, and never was, as smart as the President. Not by a long shot.

So where does that leave you? Oh yeah. On the hook for threatening the President. Enjoy.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:22 am

For someone who claims to “like Mencken,” stevie, you obviously didn't read that essay from which I quoted (and marked explicitly as quoted), did you?

Tch. What a lying little weasel you truly are….


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:33 am

Hm. Or is stevie reading these comments by email, missing the formatting, and not receiving the “buried” link I'd incorporated in my post above?

At http://www.mencken.org/text/txt001/mencken.h-l…. (long form) can be found the full text of Mencken's essay.

Stop trying to pass yourself off as literate, stevie. Read the goddam thing instead of faking it.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:44 am

Test-taker, you really ARE dumb. You think you're the only one who had Honors English? Mine was for more than one year, as well.

Get over yourself. You take the cake. I read all the threats you made, compiled into one location. It's very off putting. You need something. Not sure if it's help. But you're going to get what you need, and that right soon.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the masses, eh, test-taker? I'd never go broke underestimating yours, that's for sure.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:46 am

What are you, simple? What makes you think you're introducing Mencken to me, or anyone on this thread? And, moreover, what makes you think I didn't read what you wrote? I responded to it. I just don't read by tracing along with my finger, as you apparently do, so it doesn't take me as long as you may have expected.

Go away. But don't forget to answer the doorbell. Otherwise they will kick the door in anyway.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:02 am

“and you don't even give us what would be the transparent conceit of “Mencken said ____.” Instead we get to read a block quote as though it came from your own mouth.”

Admit it, test-taker: you have no idea what the above means, do you? It does not mean I am unaware that you quoted Mencken. Hence the phrase “block quote.” Forgive me for repeating it, but you're stupid.


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Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

Oh, of course the Obamaphiles suffer the burden of proof in this exchange. As I’d written, yours is the positive proposition:

Resolved, that Barack Hussein Obama (or whatever he’s calling himself this afternoon) is a ‘natural-born’ citizen of these United States, and is therefore qualified to be jerking off in the privacy of the Oval Office instead of bending over for his cellmates in Leavenworth, Kansas.

Okay, now go ahead and prove it. I’ll wait, stevie.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:22 pm

Oh, of course the Obamaphiles suffer the burden of proof in this exchange. As I’d written, yours is the positive proposition:

Resolved, that Barack Hussein Obama (or whatever he’s calling himself this afternoon) is a ‘natural-born’ citizen of these United States, and is therefore qualified to be jerking off in the privacy of the Oval Office instead of bending over for his cellmates in Leavenworth, Kansas.

Okay, now go ahead and prove it. I’ll wait, stevie.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

That you may have been by obligation exposed to Mencken – like a great many other people who've made it through high school one way or another – I don't doubt. His “The Sahara of the Bozart,” for example, was included in one of the literature texts I was obliged to purchase in 10th grade, though the teacher of the course didn't assign it as reading.

And certainly none of the instructors in my college's English department wanted to use Mencken's prose as part of their teaching material. I came to him by way of H. Allen Smith, another writer who'd known Mencken, and who recommended him heartily. I found his first Chrestomathy in the library (not by way of Alistair Cooke's popular paperback anthology, The Vintage Mencken), and by the time the dust had settled, I'd read pretty much everything he'd written.

And at least six biographies. Visited his house on Hollins Street a couple of times while I'd been in Baltimore for conventions, the usual stuff.

So given your flat-footedly stupid response to that reference I'd made to “The Malevolent Jobholder,” stevie, as well as your blind support of a Chicago machine politician whom Mencken himself would've attacked as vehemently as he turned upon The Crooner (remember, Mencken was a Democrat, and he supported FDR in 1932), I'm for goddam sure that you're neither by disposition a person who would embrace and advocate the full corpus of Mencken's work, nor had you gotten within a country mile of the point he was trying to make in “The Malevolent Jobholder” when you reflexively responded to my post quoting that article.

You may be familiar with Mencken's name, stevie, and you might perhaps have read a little of his apolitical work – perhaps from his Days series of books, which “Liberal” literature profs consider safe enough to use as samples of his skill with prose – but you don't know Mencken at goddam all.

So quit pretending.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Yeah, I had Honors English in my freshman year of college. I didn't ask for it. What pre-med student would, f'chrissake? The Jesuits just stuck me with it, probably because of my high school grades and my ACT scores.

I hated it, but – as happens by way of most hateful experiences – I learned a few things while running the liberal arts equivalent of Advanced Infantry Training.

And so you don't speak or understand German. No prob. I don't read or speak or understand more Russian than is necessary to insult the sonofabitch on the trawler steering too close to the ship I'm standing upon.

And what has all this to do with why your Mombasa Messiah won't cough up his birth certificate and prove that he's a “natural born” U.S. citizen?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Quit pretending you had to “purchase” books in the 10th grade.

What, were you going to school in prison? You…are…a…tool.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Honors English? No, I'm pretty sure there were a bunch of other students in the classroom with me. None of 'em were pre-med, though. I'm pretty sure of that.

I was too damned stupid to put in a request to get out of that course assignment when the college administrators sent me the information package while I was waiting to come in that September.

Much better to take a “dumber” course to fulfill my squishy subjects requirements, the better to concentrate on analytical chemistry and calculus. But what the hell did I know at age 17?


Grace
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Last time I checked, Hawaii became a state in 1959, has anything changed since then?

SARCASM ALERT, FOLKS


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

Yeah. In parochial school back then, we had to buy our textbooks. You went to “public” school in the government indoctrination system, didn'tcha, stevie?

Well, hell. It shows.


Jeff Ingram
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:42 am

Boy howdy! We have some nuts in this country and this woman in the red shirt seems to be in the running for head nut!! My vote in on her. I vote her Nut-in-Chief!!!!!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

Even World Net Daily has reported that the COLB presented by President Obama is authentic.

Read that again.

Here's the link:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageI…

Here's what you need to read when you get there:

“However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama's actual certification of live birth and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama's campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.

A separate WND investigation into Obama's certification of live birth utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren't originally there.”

Wow. Got that? Authentic. Got that? People claiming otherwise added stuff that wasn't there before.

As if that wasn't enough, here's a point about the claim that Obama supposedly lost his citizenship as a boy in Indonesia:

“In short, the suit claims Obama was not born an American citizen; lost any hypothetical American citizenship he had as a child (Editor's note: This point is not supported by U.S. citizenship law); may not now be an American citizen and even if he is, may hold dual citizenships with other countries.”

So how about it, birthers? You ready to call it quits now that even World Net Daily has given up?

Oh, wait, that World Net Daily article was published August 23, 2008, ELEVEN MONTHS ago. That can only mean that 24 ahead dot com and every other loser who cited WND in reliance on this stupid conspiracy was never serious to begin with!

Oh well, I can't say I didn't already know THAT!


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steve welch
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

It is easy to say that obama is a citizen of the United States ,but no proof is offered. We common citizens must have a certified copy of our certificate to enter school, play little league,or get a passport. WHY IS HE DIFERENT???Perhaps his school records will reveal the facts. Why are they secret??? Did he ever have a US passport before he was a State senator?? If so, how did he acquire it without proper identificatiom?? I do not know why these questions are not answered and wwhy the people that ask such logical questions are considered nuts or racists.


steve welch
Comment posted October 8, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

It is easy to say that obama is a citizen of the United States ,but no proof is offered. We common citizens must have a certified copy of our certificate to enter school, play little league,or get a passport. WHY IS HE DIFERENT???Perhaps his school records will reveal the facts. Why are they secret??? Did he ever have a US passport before he was a State senator?? If so, how did he acquire it without proper identificatiom?? I do not know why these questions are not answered and wwhy the people that ask such logical questions are considered nuts or racists.


ruthsordelet
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

I am against government health care and do not want the bill to pass. Please vote against it. We don't have the money to pay for plan and neither do our children and grandchildren. I do not agree with many things in the bill.
The bill hasn't even been read by most involved. If I taught school without reading important papers, booklets, etc, ( I taught for 32 years), I would have been dismissed. If it is too long to read you need to change the way things are done in government so you can read bills before voting. You work for us, please abide by out wishes.
If I


ruthsordelet
Comment posted November 6, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

I am against government health care and do not want the bill to pass. Please vote against it. We don't have the money to pay for plan and neither do our children and grandchildren. I do not agree with many things in the bill.
The bill hasn't even been read by most involved. If I taught school without reading important papers, booklets, etc, ( I taught for 32 years), I would have been dismissed. If it is too long to read you need to change the way things are done in government so you can read bills before voting. You work for us, please abide by out wishes.
If I


vessel sinks
Comment posted March 12, 2010 @ 6:11 am

A woman gets up, holding a baggie containing her birth certificate, and unleashes a rambling, minute-long tirade about how the president is a “citizen of Kenya.” which is not good new's.


tuscany villa
Comment posted April 21, 2010 @ 9:47 am

Well I don’t know what comment that invites. If you’re referring to the president, then he is a citizen of the United States. then where is the problem.


dog fence
Comment posted April 30, 2010 @ 7:25 am

Article on the Obama birth certificate conspiracy was more or less hype created in the media while i think that it is more of political issue.


Tuci78
Comment posted April 30, 2010 @ 7:49 am


It is certainly a “political issue,” but it is also an issue of constitutional law.

The charter of civil government under which we suffer the depredations out of Mordor-on-the-Potomac is the basis of whatever tattered legitimacy this hideous tyranny yet retains, and if the illusion of limited government under the rule of law isn't utterly vanished, then proof of our Mombasa Messiah's place of birth – the same kind of proof that you and I are required by law to provide if we're going to get ourselves a passport (or a driver's license in many states) – is required of Barry Soetoro.

Which proof – in the form of a real, issued-by-the-State-of-Hawaii certified document instead of a dubious JPG allegedly scanned from such a “Certification of Birth” – the individual in question has explicitly and repeatedly refused to tender, at the cost of millions in legal expense.

Remember the expression about smoke and fire?


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