Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate?

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Friday, July 17, 2009 at 10:58 am

CNN host Lou Dobbs interviewed birther attorney Orly Taitz and perennial presidential candidate Alan Keyes on the July 15 episode of his radio show, asking his two discredited guests some shockingly credulous questions about the citizenship of President Obama. Dobbs explained to Taitz and Keyes that his researchers had looked for proof of the president’s citizenship and been stumped.

We’ve been working kind of hard to figure out what’s going on amongst the places. Going to the Federal Election Commission, that does nothing to certify or validate a candidate’s legitimacy either as a citizen, as a person in good standing, of a certain age, qualification for the Congress or the Senate, or president of the United States. I think a lot of people would be surprised at that. They leave it up to the states. The states — it turns out, at least the state of Illinois, doesn’t require proof of citizenship, proof of age, proof of residency. I mean, it’s extraordinary the degree to which our political system relies on the so-called honor system.

Of course, Dobbs could clear this up with a phone call to Janice Okubo of the Hawaii Department of Health, who told me yesterday that the short-form birth certificate released to the press one year ago verifies what the state has in its records; that the president was born in Honolulu in 1961.

Dobbs wasn’t entirely won over by Keyes and Taitz, but he repeatedly asked leading questions about what’s missing from the the short-form certificate of live birth. “It doesn’t have a doctor’s name on it,” said Dobbs. “It has nothing on it.” Later, he referred again to the long-form version of Obama’s birth certificate “which is purportedly on file somewhere in Hawaii, but not made available to the press or anyone else. You produce the signature, the doctor, the birth date, so forth, the witnesses, which normally accompany any birth certificate, and produce it from the hospital record, and we’re done.”

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1,094 Comments

jj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

“Of course, Dobbs could clear this up with a phone call to Janice Okubo of the Hawaii Department of Health, who told me yesterday that the short-form birth certificate released to the press one year ago verifies what the state has in its records; that the president was born in Honolulu in 1961.”

That's called “hearsay”. Where is the long form birth certificate? Why the refusal to obtain it and release it?


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

wow are we really hanging on this again. With all the problems we have going on this is the best thing we can concentrate on.

It does not matter what Obama produces. The State health department of hawaii has confirmed his citizenship and provided the short form of his birth certificate, however that is not good enough. This is the same thing that would happen if they produced the long form as well .The Obama haters would say that it is forged and a fake.

Give it up people, jesus, he is president, he is not going anywhere so can we not just move on from this rediculous claim that does nothing but waste time.


Nenya Adjaloo
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

Who does not know Lou Dobbs as a racist and a bigot. His hatred for Obama is well known. And so his comments were something that nobody is going to worry about. His time is past and gone. The white racist breed are all dying. Sooner or later, this country is going to be well represented by its true colors, and evil men like Lou dobbs will be long dead and gone.


strangely_enough
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Records, like facts, are mere impediments to belief, to be swept away and ignored.


sylviaforrest
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

I HAVE STOPPED WATCHING LOU DOBBS. I NOTICED A LONG TIME AGO HOW MUCH THE MAN WANTS TO BE “PRESIDENT”. I TIRED QUICKLY OF HIS SENSELESS BASHING OF THIS ADMINISTRATION. SO BIASED, SO JEALOUS, SO DISGUSTING..


junglejim123
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

Too funny how those Obama robots just dispel all the evidence. They must believe that Obama has the right to seal all his records. In short they are just ignorant of the law. Lou Dobbs is not Obama enemy and neither is Bill O'Reilly and Shawn Hannity. They just want the truth..something Obama refuses to provide.


smiley5
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Hey Lou do you want to see my birth certificate or just Obama's. Lou I knew you had your issues
but this takes the cake, and of all people you got Alan Keyes on your show. If you do not like
the president why don't you and Alan Keyes leave with Texas, that would be less people to deal
with. Lou start up your on country if you do not like this one.


Volunt
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Obama has been all image since the beginning of his campaign and it would not surprise me the the main stream media deliberately overlooked checking his birth status


jy22077
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

Putting all other issue aside;

Why doesn't Obama simply release the Vault Copy Birth Certificate to put this issue to rest.

It makes no sense.

Obama is hiding something!

That is a cold hard fact that has yet to be reconciled.

There is somthing on the Vault Copy Birth Certificate that Obama is very fearful in allowing the American people to see.

What is it?

Obama, Release the Vault Copy Birth Certificate.

The American People have the right to see it.


Volunt
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Looks like a number of Obama followers are putting the onus on Dobbs

These are the same clowns who swallowed Obamas used car salesman campaign


smiley5
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

Lou, Hannity and O'reilly do not want the truth they just are mad that they are not in charge, no
matter what the last president did they always agree with him. God knows the truth and he is the
judge and we all got to give an account if we are bigots or any other thing that is not of God.


smiley5
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:23 pm

I am not and Obama follower. I just believe in the truth and I only follow God's word not man. I can
think for myself I do not need you, or Hannity, Beck or Lou to speak for me.


smiley5
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

I do not want my birth certificate out there, with a bunch of jerks like yall. The only reason why
you want to see it is because his daddy was from Kenya, let's call a spade a spade.


junglejim123
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

The truth will win out. Why does Obama spend millions to get the lawsuits squashed or thrown out ? WHY ?? Why seal all your records buttalk about TRANSPARENCY ??? Because he knows that he pulled off a huge fraud andd treason but he thought his hopey- changey- dopey, playing race card would just keep everyone happy and ignorant of the truth. Well now finally he may be compelled to produce something he cannot produce. and that spells TREASON. Produce it and all the drama will go away ….what part of that do you robots not understand.??? ..Our constitution is the LAW- Obama is NOT ABOVE IT.


junglejim123
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

The truth will win out. Why does Obama spend millions to get the lawsuits squashed or thrown out ? WHY ?? Why seal all your records buttalk about TRANSPARENCY ??? Because he knows that he pulled off a huge fraud andd treason but he thought his hopey- changey- dopey, playing race card would just keep everyone happy and ignorant of the truth. Well now finally he may be compelled to produce something he cannot produce. and that spells TREASON. Produce it and all the drama will go away ….what part of that do you robots not understand.??? ..Our constitution is the LAW- Obama is NOT ABOVE IT.


junglejim123
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

I suppose many of you doubted the John Edwards story too. You probably bashed the National Enqurier for being the ONLY publication that told the truth on that one. You cannot handle the truth…go back to your little ignorant bubbles…… This is not a Republican./Democrat/ Black/.White issue – it is an issue for ALL Americans and any leader who fears questions has something to hide..He fears his own people. If this is true this will cause untold chaos since everything Obama has done will be ruled illegal but no President is above the law . We will deal with the aftermath as we citizens of the US have always remained strong. You may just be shocked at the evil that is behind all of this- that is if you are even a God fearing person.


michaelroberts
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Lou Dobbs is an idiot. It is mindboggling why he's still on CNN. NOTHING pleases that man. He is a chronic whiner its either he's harping about defenseless “illegal aliens” (as if people cam from a distant planet and he alone had the sole right of ownership of earth), what Congress is doing wrong and of course, the evils of the Obama Administration. The man is either doting or needs to grow up. How long will we allow these limited, aging, blow-hards to determine what we see andhear on the public airwaves. Lou Dobbs would NEVER have questioned the citizenship of George Bush. He feels safe to question America's first Black president's citizenship because he still has a genetic DNA disposition to the slave plantation and feels that a Black man even though he's the president of the United States is still, in his warped and tormented mind, “an illegal alien.”


scary
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

why do the liberals think this birth certificate stuff is crazy? Look at Obama he is a puppet. His policies are no different than Bush. Every advisor for Obama is from Wall Street. We are still kidnap terrorists around the world and fly them to secret places and torture them. Gitmo is still around. Troops were increased in Afghanistan by 30k. Nothing has changed. It tells me that the Billberg (sp) group is pulling the strings. And then this birth certificate thing we can't get to the bottom of it. Clearly Obama was not born here. Come on, the guy who has a lawsuit to get the birth certificate the night before his orders to go to Afghanistan are revoked and the department of justice pressures his employer to fire him which he does. The employer even says he was pressured. This is right out of a Movie folks. Clearly we are headed down a slippery slope and we may end up in riots and blood in the streets if we find out Obama lied on something so basic as his birth place.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

The strongest evidence that Obama is not USA born is that he lets this go on. Sadly, the “American people” are too brain-muddled and stupified by TV brainwashing to even think for themselves any more. So it really doesn't matter I suppose. We're done. We are so far gone, we can't collectively deal with a very simple question.

The question is “WHY DOESN'T OBAMA HIMSELF AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE LONG FORM TO SHOW HE IS A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN?” Or any kind of a US citizen for that matter.

This reason he won't is because it will show no place of birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA!!! Or anywhere else in the USA. Pretty simple. He was born and bred a KENYAN. Alright?

Further, it is only a matter of time before one, single, federal judge, with some B@LLS, somewhere in one of the many courts where lawsuits are working this issue will allow discovery to go forward. And then, we shall see, what we shall see. I already know what we will see. We will see what Mr. Obama has prevented and will continue to try to prevent us seeing at all cost. We will see that he is in no way, shape or form a US citizen. He never was. He is an illegal alien. He will be removed from office. Oh, yeah, BTW, McCain produced all of his records on request. Even his dental records were included.

Oh, and any of you monkeys out there who will be attempting to punch out a reply with your little banana slimed paws….Just knock yourselves out. Fling all the pooh you want. Be as insulting as you want. I find it highly amusing. Just remember, the monkeys won't run the zoo for long. It's impossible. Attack me all you want. I like it! It illustrates just how desperate you are. The fact is, your Obamesiah is about to be found out and there isn't a F@CKING thing any of you can do to stop it. It will happen and it will all be over soon. GET USED TO IT!! HA!
I love saying that.

OK, READY, SET, FLIIIIIIIIIIIIING POOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHAAAAA!!!!


Dave James
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

Daily KOS showed what was allegedly a photo copy of the COLB from Hawaii, however, after several licensed forensic experts examined it was declared to be a forgery. For the non sheeple you can examine the evidence which shows it is a forged document at http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…

or if your an Obamabot you can keep your blinders on and not examine the evidence.


LaLee
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Where's YOUR long form birth certificate?

Do you have it?

Do ANY of the “Birth Certificate Conspiracy” theorists have such “long form” BC with the name of their delivery doctor and the tiny baby foot prints?


douglaswinters
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

The only reason yhis information would notbe released is if Obama has something to hide and what would you hide on a birth certificate is simole where you wee born.Obama is not a united State citizen and by not rekeasing the long form he is proving it.


LaLee
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

You said: “They must believe that Obama has the right to seal all his records. In short they are just ignorant of the law.”

Uh Jim, The Health Information Privacy Accountability Act gives Obama the right to seals his records (http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/)

So it seems to me it is YOU who is “ignorant of the law.”


LaLee
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

You said: “Looks like a number of Obama followers are putting the onus on Dobbs.”

Volunt, the BURDEN OF PROOF is on the ACCUSER.

Obama is the one being accused so he doesn't have to provide anything to prove his natural born citizenship.


jeni2
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Lou Dobbs must be Rush Limbaughs twin – Obama's birth certificate is posted online for all to see.

Someone posted the following:
This is a NON ISSUE….

The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in American statute law, have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”[10] To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring “natural born” citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words “natural born” from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents “shall be considered as citizens of the United States.”[11]

What else is there left to say?


LaLee
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

You said: “Obama, Release the Vault Copy Birth Certificate.

The American People have the right to see it.”

No you don't.

And Obama doesn't have the right to see yours either.

This is why:

http://www.hhs.gov/ocr/hipaa/


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

Tell you what, birthers. You find a Hawaiian around Obama's age, and get that person to go to the Hawaii Department of Health and request their “long form” birth certificate. If they succeed, I'll join in on the call for Obama to request his. Of course, since Hawaii doesn't do that, he/she won't succeed, but I encourage you to give it a try. You can find at least one birther nut in Hawaii, can't you?


jeni2
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

I just checked my birth certificate and it does NOT have a doctor's name on it.

I checked my late husband's birth certificate – it does not have a doctor's name on it.

I checked my uncle's 1912 birth certificate – it does not have a doctor's name on it.

What do you bet thet Lou Dobbs birth certificated does NOT have a doctor's name on it – Lou let's have a look!


everettmann
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:10 pm

Mr. Weigel, you're a good writer and I'm happy for your success in the media. Who cares where your new god was born. It's a change in tradition and policy to no longer require presidential candidates to publish their resumes, and you're making that happen (college transcripts, state senate records, etc.). I'll trade you the “long form birth certificate of live birth in certified form…or whatever” for all the other records not released. If the man had legally changed his name to “Adolph Hitler” when he was 19 and then changed it back to run for office, wouldn't you want to know?


everettmann
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Call me a “birther” again and I may just wop your f*cking ass.


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

Birther


mattthomas
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

Its better to have a President like Obama though he does not have a birth date , than having a Republican President like George W Bush and Vice President Dich Cheney.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Arig,
You’re very wrong about the definition of “natural born”. If he was born in the U.S., then he is a natural born citizen. There is no legal term “native born” in the United States. Since he was born in the U.S., then he is a natural born U.S. citizen because of the 14th Amendment. There is no legal effect from only one parent having been a citizen, neither is there any legal effect of the time in Indonesia.

Senator McCain, though, did most likely fall under the two-citizen-parent-born-on-a-U.S.-base idea, since he was born in Panama. I say “most likely” only because that specific idea has never been tested by the Supreme Court. There is a chance that the Court could have ruled that that U.S. base rule (which is only statutory) is trumped by Art. 2 of the Constitution.


reneGade42
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

If y'all think this current birther jackassery is bad, just wait until about 20 or so years from now when…..gasp…a HISPANIC wins the White House!

I'm stockpiling the popcorn for the howls, demonstrations, and teabaggings that will come about when President Pedro Alonso Gonzales swears in….

…in SPANISH!!


stopthelying
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

This issue will become more major every day that Obama refuses to produce his original birth certificate and release his other pertinent records. Dr. Orly Taitz Esq. and Alan Keyes are both HIGHLY CREDIBLE people and the full text of the legal action against Obama on behalf of Keyes by Dr. Orly Taitz makes it perfectly clear all of the major discrepancies involved here. Obama has spent over $1 million according to the FEC to keep these records from being released as opposed to openly releasing his original birth certificate just as John McCain did during the election.

There are many questions beyond the birth certificate as to Obama's qualifications as a natural born citizen as required by Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constititution. Either Obama releases this information voluntarily or these will end of being compelled in a court of law. If there is nothing to hide, then why exactly is Obama failing to release his original birth certificate and other pertinent records?


arig
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

To repeat: We need this fundamental Constitutional and factual question be resolved once and for all – and sooner rather than later.

Also, like many of you I have followed this drama since it first started to unfold nearly a year ago. I am a Dem. I am not racist. I want the truth. That’s it. Name calling or fingering the R’s with pushing for the truth about this very serious issue only shows your lack of understanding about the laws that govern our society. I’d ask you to stop but know better. Name calling seems to be what many of you do best.

First, because Barack Obama Sr. was a subject of the British Crown at the time Barack Jr. was born, Barack Sr.’s children, all of them, became subjects of the British Crown. Barack Jr. has stated this very clearly on his former “Fight the Smears” website which has since been srubbed. If you wish to read what his campaign wrote visit just about any blog covering this story and you can pull it up and read it with your own eyes.

What this means is that Barack Sr’s loyalty lied with the Brits. Ann Stanley Dunham, Barack Jr’s mothers, loyalties lie with the USA. When Barack was born to these two individuals he became a citizen of the US by virtue of his mother’s citizenship AND a subject aka citizen of the British Colony aka Kenya.

This status of citizenship is known as “Dual” citizenship. Note: some argue that if Barack Jr was born in Kenya then his mother was to young to pass on US citizenship, hence, why folks want to see his original vaulted long-form birth certificate.

To complicate matters further, Barack Obama Jr was adopted by an Indonesian citizen named Lolo Soetoro. If he was adopted under the age of 5 he would have automatically become a citizen of Indonesia regardless of a legal adoption. Note – the US gave deference to sovereign territory laws regarding dual citizenship, ie., American and Indonesia or British and Indonesian, etc. Indonesia, at that time, did not recognize dual and only recognized Indonesian citizenship. Therefore, Barack Jr through adoption became an Indonesian citizen. No, he did not ask for this but as a minor child he was under his parents guardianship.

If Barack Obama Jr. went to Indonesia at the age of 6 he would have had to have been formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesian court. The citizenship status, as noted above, would still apply.

Now, we already know that Barack, by birth, was a dual national, British and American, which means he can only be a “native” citizen, that is, if he was born in Hawai’i as he has stated AND if when he returned from Indonesia he applied for and received his status as a naturalized citizen. If he did not apply for naturalization then he is an illegal alien. Few question whether he didn’t apply for naturalization but there is no record of it to date so it cannot be ruled out.

Our Founding Fathers made it clear in Article II of the US Constitution that the President must be NOT may be a “Natural Born Citizen” for a reason. They wanted this leader to have loyalties ONLY to the USA rather than divided loyalties such as the USA and Britian – remember these good men gave blood and treasure during the Revolutionary War to secure freedom from the British Crown. They did not want the leader of this country to be loyal to any other homeland.

The definition of a “Natural Born” citizen is two “natural born” parents of the USA. It’s nothing more complicated than this. For example, someone below stated their family dwelled in Virginia and had roots that went back to the 1600s. If you were to marry another natural born individual and the two of you had a child in the USA or abroad at a military base or embassy your child would be a NBC.

Barack Obama Jr., by birth, never had the citizenship status of a “natural born” child and is therefore ineligible to serve as the President of the USA according to the laws that govern our nation.

Now if you want to direct your hostility to the appropriate parties who looked the other way then please look no further than the DNC, Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry and Diane Feinstein. These are the culprits who signed off on the eligibility documents required by individual state’s Board of Elections. The Party is the sole determiner in vetting their candidates eligibility. No federal agent is required by law to vet said candidates.

Barack Obama Jr is by definition under our laws a “native citizen” AND NOT a “natural born citizen”. This is fact as he has clearly stated himself. Because people are scratching their heads and saying to themselves this guy isn’t eligible doesn’t mean we are racists or any other derogatory name some of you wish to hurl. If we look the other way and dismiss this then why should any citizen obey the law? Furthermore, we should not be setting a precedent for anyone to be ABOVE the law either. My goodness, if Dems look the other way what makes you think the Reps wouldn’t try to pull the same charade. Obama is NOT ABOVE THE LAW.


jy22077
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
Citizen at Birth (CAB) does NOT equal Natural Born Citizen (NBC)
Lou Dobbs needs to talk to and interview with Charles Kerchner and Mario Apuzzo.


stopthelying
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

What Obama posted is NOT AN ORIGINAL CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH at all. It is a Certification of Live Birth purportedly issued by the State of Hawaii in 2007 but never verfified by the State of Hawaii as being a certification they actually issued. Moreover, it is ENTIRELY INVALID because it had its certification number redacted (blacked out) and that certifcation states clearly in big bold letters directly on the bottom of its face that ANY ALTERATIONS INVALADATE THIS CERTIFICATION. Obama has NEVER RELEASED TO THE PUBLIC an unaltered version. The Certification photos without the redaction that factcheck (a very biased source controlled by Annenberg which Obama used to work for) put up on its web site are CLEARLY NOT THE SAME CERTIFICATION as Obama put up as the factcheck on has 3 VERY DISTINCT FOLD MARKS which are not present on the redacted certification Obama put up.

This is a HUGE ISSUE and the burden is on Obama to produce proper records or arrange with the State of Hawaii to do so. His failure to do so despite having more than one year since this matter surfaced as a major issue is indicative that he has something to hide. He has also had all of his other records sealed including all school, hospital, and college records. There is also no question but that he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Indonesia and his named was changed legally to Barry Soetoro, but there are no records available as to when and how he changed his name back to Barack Hussein Obama II nor when and how he handled his citizenship in Indonesia and the United States during that period.

If it turns out that Barack Obama is in fact ineligible to be President of the United States then he will have to be removed from office and charged with major felony fraud. If he is in fact eligible as many people do believe, then he needs to release his records to document his eligibility.


stopthelying
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

Sorry but it doesn't work that way. The Constitution of the US requires him to be a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN to be President, so the burden of proof is clearly on Obama to establish he meets that requirement, not on anyone else to prove that he isn't eligible.


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

It's long since been established. The only people who don't recognize that are mentally disturbed birthers.


stopthelying
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Lou has been far more than fair with Obama and has spent a huge amount of time covering him – much more than I ever would have. This “hatred” nonsense you obots espouse is beyond idiotic. Nobody out there “hates” this person, although many find him ineligle, incompetent, fascist, disgusting, obnoxious, unqualified, moronic, and a total fool and tool of corporatist and bankster interests – but that does not add up to “hatred” at all.


captainsteve
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Thx to Lou Dobbs for showing journalistic integrity and looking into this situation.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o…

Bye bye Barry! hahaha


captainsteve
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

My BC has the doctor's name as well as the hospital. But even if Obama's doesn't, he can put this to rest by publicly authorizing the state of Hawaii to release everything they DO have on him. Instead of “transparency,” he spends millions on legal fees to hide. People that hide things usually have something to hide!!!!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o…

Bye bye Barry! hahaha


Dave
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

“Dr. Orly Taitz Esq. and Alan Keyes are both HIGHLY CREDIBLE people “

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah…(inhale)…hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah.

I just spit up all over my keyboard. Thank you for that.


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

Hey Lou, what would you consider the real Birth Cert. Even if he showed it to you would you believe it? Please tell me what exactly you’re looking for. Please be specific.


no1ofimportance
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

This is too easy.He does not have one. Only a registation of birth was made in Hawaii days after his birth in Kenya. Mr Omaba, only ten minute after being sworn in as President. Stroked an executive order to seal up all personal info about himself forever! Check it out, first thing he ever did. He knows the truth. He also knows soon he will be caught. Doesn't matter, total economic destruction will come soon after the world learns all laws pasted during his short reign are null and void. All the money gone for good. We will find no help on this plant again, not after tis one gets out.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Psychho Birther nutjob.


Dave
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

no1ofimportance- I think the only thing left for you to do is get the hell out of dodge while you still can!!
I hear North Korea is BEAUTIFUL this time of year…seriously though, you should probably leave.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

It has been established. Your argument is that you being too stupid to accept it means that it doesn't count.


birfers'r'dumb
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:40 am

Put $10,000 in escrow, pissdog. When your bullshit claims are proved in a court of law, you get double back. Put your money where your fat stupid birther mouth is.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

I'll make a deal with you. Obama releases his birth records and when you are proven wrong, you and every single other person who pulled this crap is immediately arrested, convicted and sentenced for treason.

Deal?


marleyh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

I'm with you Matt, these people are the same halfwits who sat idly by while bush and cheney ran this country into the ground and killed, yes I said killed, over 4000 military men and women in a war for profit.


nickinstl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Mine is in my files. Everyone should keep a cerified copy handy for passports or other identification needs. It only costs a couple of bucks. I don't know where you were born but it is simple to acquire in the United States.
I had never thought of this as any issue until reading this story and then these crazy comments trying to further obfuscate the central issue which is simply showing that one is qualified for the office sought or now held. 'Methinks thou dost protest too much', the continued non-transparency is pregnant with admission.


marleyh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Lou Dobbs is the Glenn Beck of CNN


NanaLenore
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

I was born in New Jersey in 1941, and the certified (with embossed seal) Certificate of Birth Registration that New Jersey issued to me to prove my age and citizenship not only doesn't have the doctor's name on it, it doesn't even have my parents' names. The certificate President Obama has made available has considerably more information on it than mine does. Mr. Dobbs, entertaining “birthers” and their thinly disguised racism on your show does nothing to prove to me that you are a journalist, rather than a right wing apologist.


Dave
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

You're a Mooooslim!!! I know it!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:54 am

you are the fraud – O Reilly himself said he is a citizen. you just want to believe this garbage – and I am not a leftist – I am an independent and for obvious reasons – because of nutcases on both sides like YOU


marleyh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

yes, NanaLenore, his racism even extends to his own children's heritage


marleyh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

your mother must be so ashamed of your lack of brains and springer mentality – it's been proven, even O'Reilly and other right wing sites and news outlets have said as much. Racism is behind this push.


marleyh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Highly credible to MORONS and Springer followers.


marleyh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER, BIRTHER,


maddymappo
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Its insulting not just to Pres. Obama, all of us. This is just crap. A bunch of sore losers who will waste valuable time and energy on this are not worthy of citizenship in our country themselves.


maddymappo
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

By the way, short forms are issued by the Dept. of Health of many states. They give the basic birth facts based on the long form original in their file. The other info is deemed to be any one elses beewax business.


ihatebigots
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

For those acting like they know anything about the law….the constitution says he has to be a citizen it says nothing about providing a birth certificate. If Obama legally HAS to produce his BC then why are so many Republicans jumping on the band wagon to pass the “Presidential Birth Certificate Bill” which will require candidates to prove eligibility with a birth certificate. If that law already exists why are they trying to pass it. If I were the president I wouldn't waste time with this either because he did show a birth certificate last year before he was even elected and that did nothing. Haters said it was altered. And as far as the whole Hawaii thing goes here is a quote from Janice Okubo of the Hawaii Health Department. This comes from The Washington Independent.She gave this statement directly to the press it is not hearsay.

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.” Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.” '

I love how people say Obama supporters follow blindly when obviously you racist bigots follow the teachings of hate passed down by your redneck ancestors blindly. And don't say its not about race because you invest in Lou Dobbs' opinion. Can't get much more racist than that.

If the Hawaiian Health Department says he was born there and produced the same form of BC every citizen gets when they go and ask for their birth certificate who are you to dispute it. He doesn't have to show you shit and I wouldn't either. He won. Get over it.


Bob
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

If I were Obama I wouldn’t give them the pleasure of making me dance their dance. Let them swing in the wind with their idiotic claims of conspiracies. No amount of proof is going to satisfy them. So until a legitimate authority request more, forget it.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

Dissent is patriotic.


Dave
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Better yet, let's start following the laws that are actually already on the books, and maybe we'll see them swinging in the wind quite literally, not figuratively:

ART. 94. MUTINY OR SEDITION

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who–

(1) with intent to usurp or override lawful military authority, refuses, in concert with any other person, to obey orders or otherwise do his duty or creates any violence or disturbance is guilty of mutiny;

(b) A person who is found guilty of attempted mutiny, mutiny, sedition, or failure to suppress or report a mutiny or sedition shall be punished by death or such other punishment as a court-martial may direct.


captainsteve
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Nothing has been proven

You're typical of Lefty lunatics. . .ignore the facts/evidence of the issue, don't even try to use logic, just attack the other person. Very honorable of you. . .NOT!!!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o…

Bye bye barry, you fraud and usurper!


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

There is a difference between dissent and calling on someone to be removed from office on blatantly false charges. That is a coup de tat.


captainsteve
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

Good for you Lou Dobbs! Keep digging until you get to the truth. You'll be the most famous reporter of all time!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o…

Bye bye Barry! hahaha


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:19 am

You know what… you monkey f@cking, A$$-stained, piece of slime? If you ever had a human thought, and could put it into ENGLISH wording, I would possibly give you the time of day. You and all the other monkey-f@cks are in for a rude awakening. You don’t have 10,000 peanuts picked out of your own simian sh1t to wager. So stick that up your escrow, sub-Saharan baboon butt! You don’t have anything but your shit to double back! So why don’t you and all the other proto-human wannabes tell your f@cking half-ape “president” to put his money somewhere other that into attorneys fees and produce some kind of REAL proof that he was BORN at all! It will cost him about $24 (at Safeway’s current price) in bananas ($12) to get his birth certificate (if he has one) released. Oh, and I’m sure they would break with their usual computer generated COLB policy and make an actual photocopy of an original long form (if there is one) if he makes his request on official White House stationary. OOH OOH AAH AAH F@CKY YOOIIIII!!! MONKEY.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:20 am

Really?

Can i see it?

Do you have a Flickr account?


Bob
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

While the military might desire to suppress dissent, it is allowed in civil society. They are allowed their opinions, but their opinions do not give them the authority to act. I believe that they are making fools of themselves because the documents provided and the validation of those documents by competent authorities such as the Hawaii Department of Health clearly establishes Obama's citizenship. If the courts decide to take up any of the claims I hope that they make the loser pay the costs of both parties.

This is the Tawana Brawley case of the right wing.


MM
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

*Sigh* Am I going to have to paste this accross all of the internets?

My original birth certificate is lost. When I had to get a passport, I went to the Colorado dept of Vital Statistics to get a replacement. They printed me out 2 copies that look almost Identical to Obama's, save for a different color and a different state seal (mine is blue). It has a notary seal, iIt has the same information and damn near the same layout, probably because both states use the same software to manage this type of information.

That “short form certiifcate” or COLB or whatever you want to call it, along with my Driver's License was good enough ID to get me a US Passport.

That Passport is prima facia evidence of citizenship when filling out a federal I-9. Last time I switched jobs, I used my passport to fill out that form. When I lost my License, I took my passport with me to get a replacement.

If I posted my birth certificate online with a bunch of black bars over my vital statistics, It would not magically make the document invalid. No, I couldn't use the jpg as ID, but it wouldn't somehow impact the validity of the document.

I have no idea what the Doctor's name was who was in the room at my birth. Not only that, I don't need to know and neither does anyone else, even if I were to run for public office.

You birthers are, quite frankly, wrong unless and until you can prove why an official document from the state of Hawaii (and verrified by the state) which can be used for identification purposes is good enough for any employer in the US, is good enough for the Dept of State to issue a passport, yet is not good enough for you.


Donald from Hawaii
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Who cares what you think, GT? If it’s not this nonsensical issue that has your panties in a twist, it’ll just be another.

It’s become tediously obvious that you white wingnuts couldn’t find your own rear ends in broad daylight with both hands, a full-length mirror and illustrated directions. The only thing you have going for you is your willingness to humiliate yourselves.

Take a hint from Jack Nicholson, and go sell crazy someplace else.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:49 am

American citizens are not legit?


devin
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:02 am

What part of Hawaii does NOT give you a copy of your long form birth certificate don’t you people get? Not for 10$, not for 20$…The info on the form they do give out for 10 or 12$(ie the one on factcheck.org) is based on the info on the long form, ie he was BORN IN HONOLULU. Your issue is with the state of Hawaii who has said the birth certificate on factcheck is legitimate. I’ve heard several people say they have never met anyone who has lost their birth certicate, which is completely irrelevent, I mean, how many people do you actually ask that question to? I lost mine and the State of Michigan gave me a copy similar to the one the State of Hawaii gave him, ie no doctor or hospital. I called and asked them about it and they told me in 1995 it was based on the info from the longer form. It was good enough just as the Hawaii one is, to get a passport and it said exactly where I was born on it, just as his does, HONOLULU. Doc3, your *sighs* are idiotic, just your posting is. Hawaii was run “rampant” with people bringing in babies? haha Where do you get this stuff? Are you saying that his mother gave him birth some where besides Hawaii and brought him back to Hawaii to say he was born in a hospital there? Why would she do that? <it makes no sense. You obviously have not thought this out. How did she get back into the country with Obama(now your president) ? You can't just bring babies off of airplanes and walk them into the country. When a child is born overseas, you register them with the US consular, they give you a birth certificate and other forms to get your child into the US. There is NO evidence of that whatsoever. Doc3, when you apply for a passport you have to give the State Dept. a certified, signed birth certificate, which Obama has obviously done(he's traveled all over the world, before he was President). His mother provided a copy when he was 6 yrs. old in order to fly to Indonesia(that IS how you travel overseas). The State Dept. has had a copy of his certified birth certificate for about 41 years now.


Chris
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

I think you just hit on the real issue. It is a policy disagreement. People don't like the way he is running the country and they want to prove he is ineligible so they won't have to suffer through it. Buck up or the next 3.5 years will be longer than they need to be.


GT
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

Look, all I want to see is the form the doctor filled out and wrote the “length” and “birthweight” on.

Where is that? I'm tired of this “abstract copy” being hailed as the “original”.

We all know it isn't. It's just an abstract that reflects the minimal data on the LONG FORM.

Yo Bro, show us the LONG form!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:05 am

Well if the Commander in Chief can’t tell the stupid bureaucrats in Hawaii to release a photocopy of his original birth records, what does that say about executive privilege? How f@cking stupid is that. Obama, the acting “president” can’t overcome a few minor difficulties with the local petty-f@cks? COME ON!! Get real! EXECUTIVE ORDER. Ever heard of that? You are TFSTL. (TOO F@CKING STUPID TO LIVE)


n88
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Lou is one of the greatest professional journalist. I believe him.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

Hey birfoons, do me a favor and go read this:
http://www.foundingfathers.info/federalistpaper

You may learn something. Hamilton says about the mode of electing the President, in the link I provide above:

Nothing was more to be desired than that every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government might naturally have been expected to make their approaches from more than one querter, but chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils. How could they better gratify this, than by raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy of the Union? But the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, with the most provident and judicious attention. They have not made the appointment of the President to depend on any preexisting bodies of men, who might be tampered with beforehand to prostitute their votes; but they have referred it in the first instance to an immediate act of the people of America, to be exerted in the choice of persons for the temporary and sole purpose of making the appointment. And they have excluded from eligibility to this trust, all those who from situation might be suspected of too great devotion to the President in office. No senator, representative, or other person holding a place of trust or profit under the United States, can be of the numbers of the electors. Thus without corrupting the body of the people, the immediate agents in the election will at least enter upon the task free from any sinister bias. Their transient existence, and their detached situation, already taken notice of, afford a satisfactory prospect of their continuing so, to the conclusion of it. The business of corruption, when it is to embrace so considerable a number of men, requires time as well as means. Nor would it be found easy suddenly to embark them, dispersed as they would be over thirteen States, in any combinations founded upon motives, which though they could not properly be denominated corrupt, might yet be of a nature to mislead them from their duty.
———————-
In other words the people collectively elect the Pres, and the electors are chosen by the people from ordinary folks for the sole and temporary purpose of electing the Pres, this was done EXACTLY for the purpose of avoiding foreign influence, the thinking being that IF this was left to the people it would require far too much effort to successfully compromise all or a majority of the electors.

The power of verifying pres qualifications is left to the people exactly because the Founders believed it was the best way to guard against foreign influence. Notice that the Constitution designates both the House and the Senate to check qualifications of its own members, but designates no one to do such for the Pres.

This idiot birther cases will never be heard, Verifying the Pres's eligibility is left to the people in the election process…it is NOT a power of the Judicial branch and they will NOT get involved in this crap. Give it up already and move on.


MM
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Why? Length and birthweight have nothing to do with anything. As explained belwo, I do not have this document. I have no idea how much I weighed at birth. I have a document just like Obama's that partially verifies citizenship.


evreport
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

I haven't seen my “original” birth certificate, which was a reverse negative, so white on black, in almost 50 years. When I applied for working papers at age 14, my mother got me a Certification of Birth from the City of New York, as she did for each of my brothers and sisters. I've been married twice, had drivers licenses and passports renewed, and any other thing requiring a “birth certificate” with this Certification or replacement for lost ones. Sometimes they had parents' names and sometimes they didn't, but never the doctors' name or hospital. But they all had the raised seal and stated they were certifications of facts on file. I don't know what these people are going on about. It's just lunacy.


GT
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

I don't care to know Obama's length or birthweight, nor have I asked for that information. I asked to be shown the “FORM” on which this information is inscribed. It will also have the name of the Dr. who delivered him. I don't care to know the doctor's name, I just want to see the executed form on which all this information is kept.

Quit purporting the abstract computer generated form to be the original.

Show us the original for from which they obtained the information shown on the form floating around on the internet.

Yes, Yes, Yes, a thousand times, Yes, the copy we've all been shown is a certified copy with a raised seal. Was that seal affixed in 1961? No.

Show me what was filled out in 1961.

Doesn't ANYONE find it odd on the abstract that the father is listed as “Black” when is the early sixties, the term “negro” or “colored” would have been used?

No one referred our African American friends and relatives as “Black” in 1961!
That's a modern term.

No more dancing. Show us the ORIGINAL!


MM
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

Again, why? He has what the State of Hawaii releases as the official record. That *is* what they produce when you ask for a birth certificate.

Why should Obama produce any more than is required for anyone else to prove citizenship?


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

I asked to be shown the “FORM” on which this information is inscribed. It will also have the name of the Dr. who delivered him. I don't care to know the doctor's name, I just want to see the executed form on which all this information is kept.

Who cares what you want?

Quit purporting the abstract computer generated form to be the original.

No one is purporting that the COLB is the original, though it certainly isn't “abstract.” It is, however, the only birth certificate that the State of Hawaii issues, and is more than enough legal proof.

Show us the original for from which they obtained the information shown on the form floating around on the internet.

The State of Hawaii does not do that. For anyone.

Show me what was filled out in 1961.

Ask the state of Hawaii. Maybe they'll change their rules just for you.

Doesn't ANYONE find it odd on the abstract that the father is listed as “Black” when is the early sixties, the term “negro” or “colored” would have been used?

It lists his father's race as African, numbskull. He was African.

No one referred our African American friends and relatives as “Black” in 1961!

Are you even from this country? You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Africans have been referred to as “black” throughout history. W.E.B. Dubois wrote a book called The Souls of Black Folk. In 1903! This is from Martin Luther King, Jr.'s “The American Dream” speech, delivered June 6, 1961:

That will be the day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Catholics and Protestants, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, “Free at last! Free at last! Thank God almighty, we are free at last!”

That's a modern term.

You are a modern idiot. And you aren't even familiar with the document you are disputing. FAIL


GT
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

Then what is this?

http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/shortform.jpg Forgive the sourse, not my favorite hangout.

Surely the filled out something like the above in 1961, only two years earlier.

Why do I want to see it?

Because apparently, in Hawaii, a woman who gave birth on a pineapple plantation many miles from the hospital, can walk into the nearest hospital 3,4,5, even two weeks later and CLAIM her child was born in Hawaii, whether he really was or not.

Consider:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_…

If the birthers, one of whic I am proud to be make an assumption that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya as HIS FAMILY members claim and state they remember clearly, it is possible that Stanley, upon return with the newborn Obama went to the first hospital she could find to declare his birth in Hawaii. And it may be that the first one she went to would NOT oblige her under the Hawaiian statute listed above. So she went “hospital shopping” until she found one that WOULD oblidge her and her newborn messiah. This may be what led to his sister's confusion about which hospital he was born in.


GT
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

My bad on the BLACK vs AFRICAN. I mistyped. Sorry.

Africa is a continent, not a race…..(as listed on the “copy”)

Take the high road and refrain from the name calling, please.


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

Weigel dealt with this this afternoon, dufus. Pay attention. FAIL


GT
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

Long form

http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/longform.jpg


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

My bad on the BLACK vs AFRICAN. I mistyped. Sorry.

No, you just aren't even familiar with what you're arguing about. You just know you hate a black man being president. And you're knowledge of U.S. history is piss poor, too.

Africa is a continent, not a race…..(as listed on the “copy”)

Take it up with the State of Hawaii. In the past. He was African.

Take the high road and refrain from the name calling, please.

I'll not take lectures from birthers on the “high road,” thank you very much.


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

How nice. They don't give those out in Hawaii these days. Sorry.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

“…it is possible that Stanley, upon return with the newborn Obama went to the first hospital she could find to declare his birth in Hawaii. And it may be that the first one she went to would NOT oblige her under the Hawaiian statute listed above.”

It is also possible, wait, no, it is highly probable that you are an idiot…


Doc3
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

*sigh* It is a higher standard to be a natural born citizen. *sigh* It does not matter what your COLB says. *sigh* To prove Obama is a natural born citizen will require further proof like the original vault birth certificate that would confirm the name of the hospital, doctors and witnesses. *sigh* Obama could obtain the vault certificate by signing a release and paying $10.00 but he has refused to do so for some unknown reason. *sigh* As noted above, prior to changing the laws in Hawaii in 1972 (or there abouts) Hawaii was rampant with people bringing in babies and registering them as born in the back of a taxi or somewhere there was no doctor, hospital or witnesses. *sigh* Obama has stated he was born in a hospital in Hawaii and that can only be shown by him signing the release and paying the $10.00. *sigh* So I hope you can understand that the natural born citizen standard stated in our Constitution is the highest standard in the Country. It is not the same as applying for a passport or Federal job and requires further proof.*sigh* If the vault certificate says anything other than the name of the hospital, doctors and witnesses, as Obama claims he was born in a specific hospital which also will not release a confirmation, that will require further verification. *sigh*


MM
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

“Because apparently, in Hawaii, a woman who gave birth on a pineapple plantation many miles from the hospital, can walk into the nearest hospital 3,4,5, even two weeks later and CLAIM her child was born in Hawaii, whether he really was or not.”

And Weigel posted an article today showing the relevant state laws proving that that is not the case.

The quote that you are mentioning regarding his grandmother was a mistranslation of a figure of speech. She stated that Obama is a “true child of this village”, which was translated as “born in this village”. In the uncut video, she is asked where Obama was born and she says Hawaii.

So basically you are asking for more proof than the law requires. Good for you. You have every right to demand that.

I have been demanding a night with Jessica Biel because I believe that I could be a better man for her than Justin Timberlake. There is no reason for me to expect this to be mandatory, any more than you should expect Obama to provide the super-duper proof of citizenship you want.

Incidentally, you are a conspiracy theorist. You know damn well that any proof that he provides will not be enough. Obama could walk you into the building that the infamous vault copy is in, allow you to see it, have the Governor of Hawaii and the head of Hawaii's dept of Health and Human Services all there to make sure that nobody tried to pull a switcherroo, and you would still go online and wonder how deep the conspiracy goes for him to make a forgery that looked so real.

And seeing as you don't even know how to reply in a thread, I'm not sure why anyone should give you credence in your ability to analyze *anything*.


anon
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

Oh, just give up, Lou. I've been trying to figure out what's going on amongst the places for years. It's just impossible.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

As mantis has already said, Hawaii does not issue long-form certificates anymore.

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualin…

..you can't obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it's only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

“At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

“The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.

Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”

“The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”

The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”


bobongo
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

The public document lacks seal & signature:

“she (Janice Okubo) did confirm that a valid “certification of live birth” would need to have an embossed seal and signature and that it can only be printed and mailed. There is no such thing as an electronic only certification.”

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/…


GT
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

No copies of the original…How convenient.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

you can't obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.

The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.

The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.

And, it's only available in electronic form.

Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.

“At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.

Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.

“The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.

Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”

“The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.

Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”

She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state's current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”

The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year's presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama's American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.

Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:13 am

Not likely…

I’m ex-military, and frequent several military websites. MOST are calling for this idiot’s court-martial!


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

Pay attention…read slowly.

HAWAII went paperless in 2001.

HAWAII took all that info that was on all those papers and entered it into a thing we call a computer (hint, you are using one RIGHT NOW *gasp*).

The information that was on the papers was preserved, and is accurately reflected in a thing called a database.

When someone requests a legal document to verify the information that came from the papers and is now in the database, a computer (again, you are using one right now) generates a Certificate of Live Birth and IT accurately reflects the information stored inside the databes. That document is considered prima facie evidence in a court of law as to the fact of birth.

See how that works? Are you following along? Do we need to explain it in a different way so you might understand?

Do

You

Understand?


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

And we don't produce books by copying them by hand on animal skins anymore, either. Progress is tough, isn't it?

Btw, learn to use the reply button on individual comments. It's there for a reason.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:19 am

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Sorry…it was that “credible” crack that just broke me up!!!

And what court will that be? The first one that laughed you guys out the door? The 2nd? 5th?

Seems to me there’s a fundamental psychosis at work amongst people who apparently enjoy perpetual disappointment and being laughed at!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:19 am

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Sorry…it was that “credible” crack that just broke me up!!!

And what court will that be? The first one that laughed you guys out the door? The 2nd? 5th?

Seems to me there’s a fundamental psychosis at work amongst people who apparently enjoy perpetual disappointment and being laughed at!


Patricia T.
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

What is wrong with some of you? You just don't want him to be president, and you're using any conspiracy theory you can get your hands on? Some of your ideas are pretty far out there! Is it because he's black? Because he's a Democrat?

How do you seriously think in this day and age you can get very far at all without producing a birth certificate for just about everything? He would have needed documentation for school registration, college, marriage license, etc., etc.

No matter what document he produces, it won't be enough. Get over it. He's president!


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

Yes, we know that the copy on the internet is not valid. What is valid is the certificate that was scanned, the resulting image of which was posted on the internet. Several journalists have personally viewed the certificate issued by the State of Hawaii, and Hawaiian officials have publicly attested it's authenticity, as noted elsewhere in this thread and all over the damned internet, you crazy ass birther.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

It has both seal and signature, you maroon. Go look at the photos.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:25 am

Are “MOST” of those calling for Major Cook’s court-martial on those “several military websites” actually ex-military? Moreover, are they officers or ex-officers familiar with the UCMJ?

I would expect that Major Cook’s challenge of the legitimacy of Mr. Soetoro should occasion thousands of Mr. Soetoro’s partisans to register and post on as many online fora as they can access, squealing as vehemently as such sputniki have spumed here, for all sorts of punishments to be levied upon Major Cook, Dr. Taitz, and old Uncle Tom Cobbley and all.

Much heat, but no light.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:25 am

Are “MOST” of those calling for Major Cook’s court-martial on those “several military websites” actually ex-military? Moreover, are they officers or ex-officers familiar with the UCMJ?

I would expect that Major Cook’s challenge of the legitimacy of Mr. Soetoro should occasion thousands of Mr. Soetoro’s partisans to register and post on as many online fora as they can access, squealing as vehemently as such sputniki have spumed here, for all sorts of punishments to be levied upon Major Cook, Dr. Taitz, and old Uncle Tom Cobbley and all.

Much heat, but no light.


Sadtacolover
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

I think that the reality having a black president is so out-of-synch with how they thought the world worked that they have to create an alternate reality.


jamie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

**And how much effort, may I ask, did you put into verifying the “natural born citizenship” of George “W” Bush? The same amount as you put into studying the qualifications of Obama?
If not, then I'm thinking there's no other conclusion that I can come to, other than you're a racist.


NanaLenore
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

Hmmmm. Could be, though I was raised as a Lutheran.


AJP
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Minor quibble–”It is mindboggling why he’s still on CNN”. I’m not surprised he’s still on CNN. All of the cable news nets, FNC, CNN, CNBC, and even MSNBC, are corporate propaganda factories, propagating ignorance, misinformation, and stupidity.


AJP
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Minor quibble–”It is mindboggling why he’s still on CNN”. I’m not surprised he’s still on CNN. All of the cable news nets, FNC, CNN, CNBC, and even MSNBC, are corporate propaganda factories, propagating ignorance, misinformation, and stupidity.


dreamer
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:27 am

1.He just loves playing with our heads?
2.Found it in a drawer when he was young…he wrote that in his BOOK!
3.Not like what he found? Did he burn it?
4.Cus he don't have to show no stinking badges!
5.Mean
6.Lazy
7.Cheater
8.LIER
9.Well have to make him!
10.Dog ate it?
11.Thought it was food stamps?
12. Rolled a big one with it?
13. Ran out of …Toilet paper?
14.Oh WELL…..
15. Cus I WON!!!!!
16. Try and MAKE ME!
17. YES is NO!
18.Were being pushy white folks????
19.Al Sharpton can get it from him?
20.Jessie Jackson can get it from him?
21.Ask your UNCLE back EAST.
22.Busy playing with BO?
23.SMOKING?
24Company's comming for DIN DIN
25. Throwing HOOPS!
26.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


Preboomer
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:43 am

For a lot of people this is a constitional issue. I am a lifelong democrat and I voted for Obama. He pledged transparency to us, and the more I've investigated this “Birther” issue the more I feel there is something Obama doesn't want us to know or he would let us see his long form bc.

Even if the state of Hawaii won't show the bc, it's hard to believe Obama doesn't have a copy or two in his safety deposit box somewhere.

For all those that write off the “Birthers” as racists and right wing radicals I say that you should take a hard look at the ramifications to our democracy when people chip away and thumb their noses at our constitution.


marleyh
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:49 am

you have my sympathies. Did you hear a REAL great journalist HAS passed on? Walter Cronkite – now that was a journalist… not these sensationalist that are mass produced these days. Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Scarborough, Dobbs… all cookie-cutter loudmouths


afed27
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:57 am

ATTENTION: KITTY PILGRIM per Lou Dobbs Tonight show of July 17th.
When Obama's birth certificate was being demanded by throngs of voters who had heard that he was actually a Kenyan, a “copy of it” first showed up on the Internet. I remained skeptical.
The paper was too pristine. It had no fold marks, no smudges, absolutely signs of it having been held in a drawer for 45 years. Its authenticity was vouched for by an organization, the name of which I no longer remember but it was said that this organization was a subsidiary of the organization that Obama headed in Chicago for many years.
During the arguments of the authenticity of the document, a new birth certificate was shown on the web, that of an American soldier born in Hawaii. This document was very different from the one offered by Obama. This one had a signature of the delivering doctor & the name of the hospital in which he was born, both lacking on Obama's document. In addition, Obama's father is listed on this paper as being African-American, a term not commonly used in 1961 but very normal in 2007 or 2008. If the American soldier had a standard birth certificate from Hawaii, how was it that Obama did not? One other concern is that Obama's Kenyan grandmother kept insisting that she was at his birth.
With all of the hoopla and all the facts that did not seem to mesh, Obama never produced another piece of paper as proof that he is, indeed, a citizen of the U.S. His campaign ignored the situation and the loving media did not pursue the issue.


newsriffs
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Hawaii has a Republican administration. Why do any of you “Birthers” imagine that the State of Hawaii would hide something that could prove your point? Of course, I've also read that some claim he's a Moslem space alien from the planet Mecca, and not even human at all.


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:08 am

—-The paper was too pristine. It had no fold marks, no smudges, absolutely no signs of it having been held in a drawer for 45 years. —-

Because it was a new copy issued by the state in 2007, using the state format in place in 2007.

Get a clue.


Grogor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:10 am

His mom is a citizen. So he is a citizen. It doesn't matter if he was born in Texas, Hawaii, Jakarta or Mars. End of story.


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:10 am

Obama is a secret republican.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:14 am

One is ridiculous, that is untrue, legally or logically.

Two, there is no reason to believe that. not to mention the State of Hawaii stands by the COLD and the info there in, ie that he was born in Hawaii.


afed27
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Patricia, I have been a voting Democrat for over 60 years. It is true that I do not want him to be my President but that is not because of his color, it is because I do not like the person beneath the color. I do not trust the man. Read my comment above on why I believe his document is false. I found proof of many lies during his campaign but the media would not speak against him & so we have him as President. I pray we won't regret it. As far as producing a birth certificate for schooling and such, a birth certificate from any place would have been fine for that. It would not have been good enough for him to be President, tho. And, did you know that he never produced his Harvard papers, either? Could it be because his records showed him as having been born in Kenya? Just wondering……..


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:22 am

Are you somehow denying he has a passport?

The one he has shown is stamped, certified and signed. That is the certificate you are given as proof of your identity. I doubt your claim that a long form birth certificate is required. I think you are lying in the dark. Michigan does not offer you a copy of your long form, are you suggesting I d be unable to obtain a driver’s license in some states because Michigan only offers basically the same form Hawaii does? I lost my ‘long form’ and I got a shortened version, similar to Obama’s to obtain a passport, which requires more scrutiny than any driver’s license. I work with people who obtain SSI and they use the same short form birth certificate. You sir are a liar.

He has had a passport for years, he would not have been able to fly to Indonesia nor especially return at age 10 without issue. So yes, I know he has had a US passport for years. He flew to Africa and Pakistan, he had a US passport and hence yes, the State Dept. has had a copy of his certified birth record on file for YEARS.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:32 am

You are still lying. The state of Hawaii never denied it’s valid, to the contrary, they said it was stamped and signed just as they do it currently.

There are no ‘experts’ claiming the jpeg was forged or the image tampered with.

again, to the contrary.

http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html

The state of Hawaii also never gave out birth certificates willy nilly to anyone who wanted their birth record to say HONOLULU, you again, are lying. The one very strange example provided by people like you is a Chinese guy from the 19th century when it was the Kingdom of Hawaii, which is evidence of nothing currently.

Your arrogance is as laughable as your ignorant claims, which really make it ironic, since you are so terribly off in so many ways.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:35 am

Aw, c’mon, dev. Nobody has to prove “natural-born” citizen status to get a U.S. passport.

The existence of a passport, as such, is therefore no proof that Barry Soetoro got his umbilical cord clipped in Honolulu instead of Mombasa.

Y’know, I’d be really interested to see the airline records of his mom’s trip from Kenya back to Hawaii in 1961. Be nice to see her passport at that time, too. That’d establish whether she was coming back to Mr. & Mrs. Dunham’s house with a big belly, or with something squirming around in a portable bassinet.

Jeez, how puzzlingly incurious are the Obamaphiles online….


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:36 am

Thanks alferd but we don't want him. Cut down on the meds. You're acting a little strange!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:44 am

So we’ve got your assertion that “The state of Hawaii never denied it’s valid, to the contrary, they said it was stamped and signed just as they do it currently.”

Okay, got a source for that?

As for whether or not the officers of the Hawaii state government have attested to having a copy of Mr. Soetoro’s true birth certificate in their archives, have they said whether or not that document stipulates his place of birth as having been in Hawaii?

Carefully, nervously, frightfully, they have been scrupulous in their refusal to say anything one way or the other.

Am I culpable of “arrogance”? Nah. When something looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and demonstrates a waterproof tochus, you don’t have to be an ornithologist to assert that there’s something anserine about the critter.

Salt water or fresh, Barry – like any other lump of fecal matter – floats.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:45 am

Orly and Cook may be having a falling out! She appears to be unable to locate his consent agreement, but told reporters he contacted her in Feb 09 and signed a consent form to join a suit to prove Obama's citizenship, NOTE, that was three months before he volunteered to deploy and then SUPPOSEDLY changed his mind because he started to have doubts…ooops, someone is not telling the truth here…!!!!

http://www.examiner.com/x-12278-Louisville-Inde…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:49 am

Well the BC doesn't really matter. The simple fact his father was a Kenyan with British Citizenship and under the British Naturalization Act of 1948 made baby oBama a British Citizen at birth. No one born a citizen of any other country can be considered a Natural Born American, unlike citizen, Natural Born American is the requirement under Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. of our Constitution. There is no way oBama can be Natural Born. Read the letter John Jay wrote to George Washington about the qualification Natural Born. The founding fathers knew they were not Natural Born Americans, because they were born British Citizens. They added “unless you are a citizen at the time of the adoption of this constitution”. oBama was not alive when the constitution was adopted 222 years ago. He is not Natural Born therefore he is really not President. How many times do I have to tell you this alferd?


marleyh
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:53 am

of course you don't want him – he's too smart for you


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:55 am

So, Cook joined in with Orly, consenting to be a plaintiff in one of her eligibility suits in Feb 09. Then in May 09, three months later, he volunteers to deploy KNOWING he will question the order. Then in June he gets orders to deploy, waits an entire month till he has less than a week left till deployment and then challenges the orders, forcing some other soldier to go in his damn place at a moment's notice. What a POS. He should never have volunteered, this was a political stunt that resulted in another soldier being deployed with no notice. What a Blue Falcon this guy is…

http://www.examiner.com/x-12278-Louisville-Inde…


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:05 am

What do you think they did with the original one? Throw it away? Or do you suppose they filed it away in a archival box that is just patiently setting on a dusty shelf waiting for someone to find the truth.
Oh yea, he had a copy of the long form as a child, he mentioned it in one of his books. Where is that copy? They didn't have computers back then, so it was the long version with all the information we are looking for. You Obots just keep trying to hide the truth.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:06 am

Nope. The point of every competent individual examining the JPG image (remember, NOBODY except the Obama-sucking lightweights at FactCheck has said anything about seeing the actual Certification of Live Birth document) is that the Hawaii state government's format for the border and type of seal used in 2007 were not in that computer image.

Not.

That image is a kind of Frankenstein's monster, a patched-together fabrication from beginning to end. Layer upon layer of falsehood, incompetently assembled and laughably easy to perceive as such.

Want an easy, immediate solution to this problem?

Let's have the Obama campaign, or Mr. Soetoro himself, provide to a competent and impartial panel of forensics documents examiners the original piece of paper from which they allege that the JPG images flashed upon the Web by FactCheck and DailyKos in June 2008 had been created.

Just produce the piece of paper.

Simple, really.

But, hey, alferd – don't hold your breath waiting.


peterprinciple
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:08 am

British law does not control American law, which does not recognize duel citizenship and holds that any person born on American soil, or to an American birth parent anywhere in the world (see: McCain, John) is automatically a U.S. citizen.

You morons really should give this non-issue a rest, and save yourself some public embarrassment


Donald from Hawaii
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:17 am

The State of Hawaii has a constitutional right to privacy, and the original signed documents of all birth certificates, death certificates and state professional licensure remain in the custody of the state. Needless to say, because of all the right-wing hullabaloo, the original birth certificate has been examined by local and national media, and has already been authenticated by no less than Hawaii Health Dept. Director Chiyome L. Fukino, MD, and Hawaii GOP Gov. Linda Lingle.

If that isn't good enough for the birthers, then screw 'em. Dogs bark and the caravan passes.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:21 am

His FATHER was African, not Obama.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:21 am

His FATHER was African, not Obama.


cailte
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:21 am

One other small point — Obama's Kenyan grandmother did not keep “insisting the she was at his birth.” In one telephone interview, something she said was translated as she “saw him being born.” Later in the interview, she realized that the interviewer thought she was present at the the birth and corrected a mistranslation. She had actually said that she remembered when he was born — not that she was present at the birth.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Wow. Well, I may have to re-think my earlier assertion that I am (or was) a “good American”. After reading all of this drivel today, I am totally convinced that it's all a lost cause. American is done. At least 52% doomed. What made the US a great nation is gone. What has always been it's main weakness now is a dominant force. You're all (or at least 52%) brain-washed main-stream-media zombies. All you can see is your stupid little Demican/Republicrat world. You are all (DEMS and REPUBS) controlled by forces you can't see and don't understand. Just a bunch of stupid Goyim. You really don't deserve a country any more. Go ahead. Self destruct. Whatever. There's no way to fix it. You're fat. You're stupid. You're ugly. You're misbegotten and badly bred. You have no morals. You have no courage. You have no work ethic. Your kids can't read. And if they could, they'd read garbage. They don't know math. They don't know science. They know no real history. They only know how to dress like “gangsta” and talk jive. They are filled with “political correctness” though. Great. Fine. The end.

Rome took a couple of centuries to go from a world super power to a decadent, powerless, mish-mash shithole. We (or you rather) will accomplish the same feat in a couple of decades. I secede. I don't want anything to do with you mongrel, perverts. Just keep printing up that funny money and throwing it around like idiots. More national debt will only hasten the decline. You all deserve the lying, crooked and evil government you have allowed to be created here. And now you can just sink into the $hit with it. If you listen very closely, you can hear the Gods, and the rest of the world laughing. Disgusting monkeys.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:22 am

Alferd is always a little strange but at least he seems to be semi-literate and well read.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:23 am

I wouldn't go that far,


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Tuesday Cook, Tiatz, & the US Army changed all that. We will see what is hidden in a vault in Hawaii or lose control of our military. Can't let our troupes get out of serving by simply asking if the Commander in Chief is really legally what he says he is. Get ready for Sarah in early 2010.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:24 am

What document was he using before 2007, and can we see a copy of that one?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:25 am

Awww Tuci, the point is the STATE DEPT. has his birth certificate and has for decades. Are you actually suggesting they are in this cover up?

Speaking of proof, his name written on a school records in Indonesia when he was 8 is no proof that is his LEGAL name.

There is NO evidence or reason to believe his mother flew to Africa to have a baby, at all.

Seems you are a bit lacking in curiosity or did you just think you can fly an undocumented baby into the country. Do you think customs just turned their head?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:25 am

Awww Tuci, the point is the STATE DEPT. has his birth certificate and has for decades. Are you actually suggesting they are in this cover up?

Speaking of proof, his name written on a school records in Indonesia when he was 8 is no proof that is his LEGAL name.

There is NO evidence or reason to believe his mother flew to Africa to have a baby, at all.

Seems you are a bit lacking in curiosity or did you just think you can fly an undocumented baby into the country. Do you think customs just turned their head?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:25 am

YOU ROCK!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:28 am

He wasn’t African-American, he was AFRICAN. Africans didn’t call themselves NEGRO or COLORED, they were African. He was very educated and proud.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:28 am

He wasn’t African-American, he was AFRICAN. Africans didn’t call themselves NEGRO or COLORED, they were African. He was very educated and proud.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:28 am

C I T I Z E N does not cut it! He would have to be a Natural Born American. Which he can't be considering he was born a Brit.


afed27
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:28 am

Okay, but how did the American soldier have a fullly completed birth cetificate from Hawaii, with the hospital of birth and a signature by the doctor? I don't remember exactly but I believe the date was from the 1960's. Why was Obama's father listed as being African-American?. Surely, they would not have changed the info from the original document?
Also, Obama's Harvard records were not kept by the state of Hawaii. Why didn't Obama release these papers when there were so many demands for them? Why did Obama keep Rev. Wright under wraps? When the pastor got tired of hiding in the shadows and came
into the spotlight, Obama tried to give him a false history but Wright, to his credit, wanted
the truth to be told so Obama, after considering the Reverend his mentor for 23 years, threw him under the bus. What is the truth about Ayers and Kahlidi who claimed to have been associates of Obama? I doubt if we will ever know the truth.


afed27
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:30 am

That's a good question. Can anyone answer it?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:31 am

F@ck all that!! Where is the f@cking long form? Are you that stupid? Yes, like the other people born in Hawaii in the early 1960's all have. There is one posted all over the internet for some guy named Alan who was born the son of a US Army officer. Doctor's name, hospital's name, time of birth etc etc., all on it. Where is Obama's version of that one? Show that one or shut up! Your semantics are boring me now. Real proof. Facts. You know, all that stuff that the libs can't handle.


Name
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:32 am

actually, the State of Hawaii only confirmed that they had a Birth Certificate. They never said he was born in Hawaii. Hawaii did issue BC's for people that weren't born in Hawaii……..
that is one of the biggest problems.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:33 am

You are welcome to move elsewhere…we promise to miss you if you go away.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:36 am

Tuci,

They get their information for the COLB from their birth records, from the original data! They stamp and put a state seal on the COLB as testimony it is real and true. It says HONOLULU meaning, that was what was on the original. The fact that you haven’t come across the numerous statements from the State of Hawaii in this regards just furthers my belief that you aren’t really interested in the truth. I mean, you have no proof his legal name is Barry Soetoro, but you keep going on about it.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:36 am

Tuci,

They get their information for the COLB from their birth records, from the original data! They stamp and put a state seal on the COLB as testimony it is real and true. It says HONOLULU meaning, that was what was on the original. The fact that you haven’t come across the numerous statements from the State of Hawaii in this regards just furthers my belief that you aren’t really interested in the truth. I mean, you have no proof his legal name is Barry Soetoro, but you keep going on about it.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:36 am

“Take it up with the State of Hawaii. In the past. He was African.”

So, is he AFRICAN or AMERICAN? The “birthers” are claiming he is AFRICAN! Now you are agreeing with them. Well, that is some progress, I must admit!

And, hey, you need some lecturing from SOMEBODY.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:37 am

Whaddaya mean “we,” Kemo Sabe?

You got a tapeworm, or something similar?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:37 am

Where has it been asserted that the U.S. Department of State has Barry Soetoro’s birth certificate on file? I’d be grateful for a source supporting that contention, I really would. Never surfaced once insofar as I know.

As for what was written on Mr. Soetoro’s school records in Indonesia, having no valid proof that his name really is “Obama,” I prefer to refer to him as he was known in the days of his pristine innocence.

And, no, I don’t think that someone could have flown “an undocumented baby” into these United States in 1961. That’s why I’d like for someone to look into the airline records pertinent to Mrs. Dunham-Obama’s flight from Kenya to Hawaii that year, a trip she definitely made, and on which there should certainly be records extant.

A newborn infant accompanying a properly documented mother who holds a U.S. passport is not likely to raise the curiosity of customs officials, particularly if she’d been carrying a duly issued Kenyan birth certificate proving that the child was hers. Or don’t you know that?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:37 am

Where has it been asserted that the U.S. Department of State has Barry Soetoro’s birth certificate on file? I’d be grateful for a source supporting that contention, I really would. Never surfaced once insofar as I know.

As for what was written on Mr. Soetoro’s school records in Indonesia, having no valid proof that his name really is “Obama,” I prefer to refer to him as he was known in the days of his pristine innocence.

And, no, I don’t think that someone could have flown “an undocumented baby” into these United States in 1961. That’s why I’d like for someone to look into the airline records pertinent to Mrs. Dunham-Obama’s flight from Kenya to Hawaii that year, a trip she definitely made, and on which there should certainly be records extant.

A newborn infant accompanying a properly documented mother who holds a U.S. passport is not likely to raise the curiosity of customs officials, particularly if she’d been carrying a duly issued Kenyan birth certificate proving that the child was hers. Or don’t you know that?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:38 am

oBama Sr. was not an American and never tried to become one. His mother was still a child not old enough to transfer citizenship to her newborn. He was born a British Citizen no matter where he was born, that is British Law and American Law can't change that. British MI5 says they have a British BC on Barry.


Preboomer
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:38 am

Donald, take a look at this issue with an open mind. First of all, the national media has not seen the long form birth certificate. If they have this would be a non-issue. Please tell us where you got the info to make such a statement. Second, if you read closely and with an open mind you will see that the statement issued by Hawaiian officials verifies only that they do have a long form bc on file. They give no info that gives details.

Again, I am a lifelong democrat and I voted for Obama. However, he promised us transparency, and the simple action of showing us his bc, as all Presidents have, seems to break his promise. What's he hiding? Is he thumbing his nose at the constitution?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:39 am

Well, maybe I could be persuaded to take care of some much overdue business before I go. It will be more fun than fishing with dynamite! Yeah!! Move out and draw fire! It'll be a GOOD DAY!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:40 am

Just trying to save America one person at a time.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:45 am

The founding fathers were British Lawyers. They knew they were Not Natural Born and added language to the Constitution to allow them to be President “unless you are a citizen at the time of the adoption of this Constitution” Barry can’t use this 222 year old language. British Lawyers knew what Natural Born meant – Born of Blood and Soil – The blood of two (2) parents who are citizens and birth on your countries soil. Barry certainly misses one of these requirements and possible two.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:45 am

The founding fathers were British Lawyers. They knew they were Not Natural Born and added language to the Constitution to allow them to be President “unless you are a citizen at the time of the adoption of this Constitution” Barry can’t use this 222 year old language. British Lawyers knew what Natural Born meant – Born of Blood and Soil – The blood of two (2) parents who are citizens and birth on your countries soil. Barry certainly misses one of these requirements and possible two.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:45 am

Indeed, the officers of the state of Hawaii would be expected to “get their information for the COLB from their birth records.”

What gives you to believe that the computer graphic image (which is all anyone has of the putative COLB – no stamped and sealed, signed and unredacted real paper document uttered by the state of Hawaii) in question is that of any COLB issued to confirm the birth of Mr. Soetoro?

Given the degree to which that confabulated JPG was cobbled together from all sorts of odd bits and bites, how the devil do you know that the supposed document from which the alleged JPG image was scanned said “Honolulu” in the place of birth slot at all?

If he were born in Mombasa, and the birth certificate on file in Honolulu is of Kenyan origin, a true and certified COLB was so stipulate.

But we don’t have a true and certified COLB to examine, do we?

We’ve got a Photoshop-doctored JPG image and not a goddam thing else.

How simple it would be for Mr. Soetoro and his co-conspirators to bring out that alleged COLB and put it in the hands of a competent and impartial panel of forensic documents examiners, to let them determine its provenance and validity, and put this issue to rest.

How simple.

So why the hell hasn’t he done that?

You got an answer for that, or are you just going to keep pulling your pud and stickying up your computer keyboard?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:45 am

Indeed, the officers of the state of Hawaii would be expected to “get their information for the COLB from their birth records.”

What gives you to believe that the computer graphic image (which is all anyone has of the putative COLB – no stamped and sealed, signed and unredacted real paper document uttered by the state of Hawaii) in question is that of any COLB issued to confirm the birth of Mr. Soetoro?

Given the degree to which that confabulated JPG was cobbled together from all sorts of odd bits and bites, how the devil do you know that the supposed document from which the alleged JPG image was scanned said “Honolulu” in the place of birth slot at all?

If he were born in Mombasa, and the birth certificate on file in Honolulu is of Kenyan origin, a true and certified COLB was so stipulate.

But we don’t have a true and certified COLB to examine, do we?

We’ve got a Photoshop-doctored JPG image and not a goddam thing else.

How simple it would be for Mr. Soetoro and his co-conspirators to bring out that alleged COLB and put it in the hands of a competent and impartial panel of forensic documents examiners, to let them determine its provenance and validity, and put this issue to rest.

How simple.

So why the hell hasn’t he done that?

You got an answer for that, or are you just going to keep pulling your pud and stickying up your computer keyboard?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:46 am

Orly and Keyes were on CNN and it generally went like this:

Kitty Pilgrim announced Orly as “Orly Tights”–yup, “TIGHTS”

Then Kitty says factcheck concluded after examining the BC it is valid after seeing it, touching it, examining it, then she quotes HI officials (Lingle) saying Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, then she shows TWO separate HI birth announcements, then she shows a letter from HI officials (Fukino), then she says politifact.com reissued/updated results–saying he is US Citizen–then she shows a clip of the WH press briefing THIS WEEK, and they show the comment from Gibbs smacking down WND reporter!!! (OMFG…sooo funny)

Then, Kitty asks Keyes “What more do you need to be convinced” Keyes says “Some evidence” and then you immediately hear someone laughing.(LOL) Keyes rambles for about one minute…same shit as always…

Kitty goes to Orly…

Then, Orly rambles on about Obama only gave a COLB never gave BC, no name of Dr or hospital, then she says 338 allows foreign born to get birth certs, then they cut her off after about 90 seconds.

THEN, Errol Louis says “Some of them are raising $$ like WND which I consider a scam, selling bumber stickers and the like, and I don't know what Ms. Taitz is taking in the way of legal fees, they are raising legal fees all over the country.”. Orly starts squeaking but is lower in volume, tries to interrupt Errol and Kitty, is cut off…

Then John says “This is Obama derangement syndrome, it is pathological hatred of the Pres”…then says “Keyes calls Obama a communist, Orly calls Obama a gestapo thug on her blog” then says “Which is it is he a Nazi or a communist?? You people are nuts”..

You can hear Orly trying to yell over the others (but she is mostly muted volume-wise) and yell and yell and yell and cut in while others are talking (but, you can barely hear her because her mic volume is lower than the others–she is just squeaky like a chipmunk and she obviously does not take a breath even once).

Then Kitty finally tells her “you need to let others speak”, Orly calms down and nods her head, then Kitty immediately say “we are out of time” and more laughing can be heard including the anchor…

Then Orly jumps in with the two citizen parents thing and is abruptly cut off…

EPIC BIRFOON FAIL…but sooo funny to watch, just priceless.


afed27
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:46 am

It does not make sense to me that, especially when the info is sent to the Health Dept. in Hawaii from a hospital, that the name of the hospital from which the birth info was received is not given when a birth document is requested. Just how much more time does it take to type in the hospital and the doctor's names? Wouldn't that make a more precise form of I.D.?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:47 am

Well, do you think the “president” could just issue an “Executive Order” and get the State of Hawaii to release the exact original document to the Smithsonian or the Library of Congress or some other entity that could put it on public display? I know an “Executive Order” can get us involved in a war. I just wonder if it could be used to release a run-of-the-mill state kept document to show that “the most powerful man in the world” actually deserves that dubious distinction.

Bark at that caravan, dog-boy.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:50 am

I smell blood in the water. How lovely.


Donald from Hawaii
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:50 am

Excuse me, but I am a lifelong resident of these islands, and you quite obviously don't live here, so you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm certainly not going to be lectured by a bona fide know-nothing like you about my own state's laws and legal customs.

Barack Obama was born in Honolulu. His first home was in Honolulu's Kuliouou Valley (1680 Kalanianaole Hwy.), which is one block away from where I presently live. It's an old neighborhood, and most longtime residents still remember when his parents and grandparents brought him home as a newborn from Kapiolani Hospital.

If you can't handle fact and truth, that's your problem.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:54 am

FactCheck.org is nothing but somebody’s web site. Who are they to prove anything? They’re nothing! And Fukino has said nothing about what they have on file. Just that they have some piece of paper that they know is locked up. What does it show? That is the million dollar question! Really, he spent that much to keep us from seeing it.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:54 am

FactCheck.org is nothing but somebody’s web site. Who are they to prove anything? They’re nothing! And Fukino has said nothing about what they have on file. Just that they have some piece of paper that they know is locked up. What does it show? That is the million dollar question! Really, he spent that much to keep us from seeing it.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:54 am

Smooth move ex-lax, your post has been reported to authorities, BTW.


Grogor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:54 am

So much for McCain then. He was born in Panama! Seriously, Natural Born American has never before meant that both of your parents were Americans AND you were born on US soil. It means that you were a Citizen by birth, not naturalized.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:54 am

How did 30,000 illegal Mexican wetbacks get into our country and continue to run around with relative impunity? Could it be that nobody knows how to do their f@cking jobs anymore? He is and always was a con-man. The rules never applied to him. That is his mind set. It always was. He is a usurper and he is very close to being exposed. Get over it.


afed27
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:55 am

I saw a copy of the tape. It is possible that the translater was twisting the translation a bit but from the grandmother's actions and the grin on her face, I certainly got the impression that she was telling what she had seen.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:55 am

Dream on.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:56 am

American citizens who have children overseas get birth records from the US consulate, or didn’t you know that?

There is NO evidence he was born in Kenya, there is no evidence his name is Barry Soetoro, there is no evidence his mother flew to Africa and no reason to believe she’d do such a thing.
How do you say she ‘definitely’ made? For someone who wants sources, you sure make some ridiculous claims that are not sourced.

Where do you get the idea that a documented American can bring in a baby and ‘not raise curiosity’? That is a very odd statement to make, absurd really. If passed through customs with records from the US Consulate, which is where Americans are told to go, that would be in the State Dept. records.

How do you think he has flown around the world and returned to the US without problems? He flew back from Indonesia at age 10. Are you suggesting he got a US passport using a Kenyan b.c.? or that he is naturalized and the State Dept. isn’t saying a word about this fact?

Of course he has a US passport, the State dept. has a certified birth certificate on record, that is HOW you get a US passport. You have to give birth records. Are they covering this up too!?

Do you have a passport? Didn’t you too have to send in a certified birth record? He has had a passport since the age of 6, that is how you travel from the US and return, which he did at age 10. Why should I prove the obvious to you? Do you think he flew to Germany as a candidate without a US passport. You are so caught up in his mess and are being pompous about it. You won’t question the obvious problems with this conspiracy, you won’t give your own assumptions and beliefs any scrutiny. To do so at this point you’d have to question yourself as well. In my opinion to have taken this as far as you have, you ve not been willing to do that for sometime now.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:56 am

American citizens who have children overseas get birth records from the US consulate, or didn’t you know that?

There is NO evidence he was born in Kenya, there is no evidence his name is Barry Soetoro, there is no evidence his mother flew to Africa and no reason to believe she’d do such a thing.
How do you say she ‘definitely’ made? For someone who wants sources, you sure make some ridiculous claims that are not sourced.

Where do you get the idea that a documented American can bring in a baby and ‘not raise curiosity’? That is a very odd statement to make, absurd really. If passed through customs with records from the US Consulate, which is where Americans are told to go, that would be in the State Dept. records.

How do you think he has flown around the world and returned to the US without problems? He flew back from Indonesia at age 10. Are you suggesting he got a US passport using a Kenyan b.c.? or that he is naturalized and the State Dept. isn’t saying a word about this fact?

Of course he has a US passport, the State dept. has a certified birth certificate on record, that is HOW you get a US passport. You have to give birth records. Are they covering this up too!?

Do you have a passport? Didn’t you too have to send in a certified birth record? He has had a passport since the age of 6, that is how you travel from the US and return, which he did at age 10. Why should I prove the obvious to you? Do you think he flew to Germany as a candidate without a US passport. You are so caught up in his mess and are being pompous about it. You won’t question the obvious problems with this conspiracy, you won’t give your own assumptions and beliefs any scrutiny. To do so at this point you’d have to question yourself as well. In my opinion to have taken this as far as you have, you ve not been willing to do that for sometime now.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:56 am

Donald, birfoons are allergic to fact and truth…they break out in hives if they even get close to either…it is not pretty.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:58 am

Riiiiight…*yawn* any day now you maroons will get him *yawn* I've been hearing that for about 11 months and watching your idiot cases get dismissed. Are you high? Brain damaged in some way? Inbred?

Obviously something is very wrong with you.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:59 am

I'll loan them my photocopying devise if they can't afford one out there in paradise. I'd like to have my very own copy of whatever is in the file there for AKA. I could sell it on Ebay for a couple of million. Maybe more!. Ah f@uck that. I'd just declare it public domain and post it.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:00 am

Don’t get the words confused! Citizens, Nationals, Naturalized, are all words but they are not the same a Natural Born American. Words mean things.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:00 am

Don’t get the words confused! Citizens, Nationals, Naturalized, are all words but they are not the same a Natural Born American. Words mean things.


Donald from Hawaii
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:00 am

“Look at this issue with an open mind”? Only when you find yours first.

You may well be a lot of things, but I'll lay better-than-even odds that you're no “life-long Democrat” who voted for Barack Obama, and are just another right-wing bozo BS artist who just absolutely refuses to listen to anything that doesn't validate your own misconceptions. I feel very sorry for you.

Barack Obama was born in Honolulu in August 1961 at Kapiolani Hospital for Women and Children. Period. End of discussion.

Now, go sell crazy someplace else.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:01 am

That isn’t a law Old1. In 1791 congress made the first law defining natural born citizen, the founders never defined it in the constitution. You can’t define intent because you don’t like Obama. US law covers all this…you refuse to read it and accept it.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:01 am

That isn’t a law Old1. In 1791 congress made the first law defining natural born citizen, the founders never defined it in the constitution. You can’t define intent because you don’t like Obama. US law covers all this…you refuse to read it and accept it.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:03 am

Birfoon meltdown on CNN!!!

Orly and Keyes were on CNN and it generally went like this:

Kitty Pilgrim announced Orly as “Orly Tights”–yup, “TIGHTS”

Then Kitty says factcheck concluded after examining the BC it is valid after seeing it, touching it, examining it, then she quotes HI officials (Lingle) saying Obama was indeed born in Hawaii, then she shows TWO separate HI birth announcements, then she shows a letter from HI officials (Fukino), then she says politifact.com reissued/updated results–saying he is US Citizen–then she shows a clip of the WH press briefing THIS WEEK, and they show the comment from Gibbs smacking down WND reporter!!! (OMFG…sooo funny)

Then, Kitty asks Keyes “What more do you need to be convinced” Keyes says “Some evidence” and then you immediately hear someone laughing.(LOL) Keyes rambles for about one minute…same shit as always…

Kitty goes to Orly…

Then, Orly rambles on about Obama only gave a COLB never gave BC, no name of Dr or hospital, then she says 338 allows foreign born to get birth certs, then they cut her off after about 90 seconds.

THEN, Errol Louis says “Some of them are raising $$ like WND which I consider a scam, selling bumber stickers and the like, and I don't know what Ms. Taitz is taking in the way of legal fees, they are raising legal fees all over the country.”. Orly starts squeaking but is lower in volume, tries to interrupt Errol and Kitty, is cut off…

Then John says “This is Obama derangement syndrome, it is pathological hatred of the Pres”…then says “Keyes calls Obama a communist, Orly calls Obama a gestapo thug on her blog” then says “Which is it is he a Nazi or a communist?? You people are nuts”..

You can hear Orly trying to yell over the others (but she is mostly muted volume-wise) and yell and yell and yell and cut in while others are talking (but, you can barely hear her because her mic volume is lower than the others–she is just squeaky like a chipmunk and she obviously does not take a breath even once).

Then Kitty finally tells her “you need to let others speak”, Orly calms down and nods her head, then Kitty immediately say “we are out of time” and more laughing can be heard including the anchor…

Then Orly jumps in with the two citizen parents thing and is abruptly cut off…

EPIC BIRFOON FAIL…but sooo funny to watch, just priceless.


Preboomer
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:03 am

Randwulf, you are a typical person that is awstruck by Obama. If he said the word is flat you would take that as fact. This man is a great orator but only time will tell if he is a great leader and legitimate.

Since you have no provable facts your first response is babble, and your second response is name calling.


devin
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:04 am

Preboomer, they have said the birth certicate is legitimate, it is real, it is what they give people for 10$s. They clearly state that this is how it is done and that any info on that form is based on the long form!!! It really is THAT simple.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:06 am

Gee, I’m sorry you think I’m “pompous.” Personally, I think you’re obtuse, but what the hell….

Yeah, I know that American citizens giving birth to children in foreign lands can and do go to the consulate or embassy and register their get with the officers of the foreign service.

Hm. If that’s in the State Department records for Mr. Soetoro, he wouldn’t have needed a birth certificate for his mother to get him a passport later in his childhood, would she?

And as for questions, answer this one, son.

Why the hell hasn’t Mr. Soetoro or his handlers submitted to a panel of competent and impartial forensic documents examiners the 2007 Hawaii COLB from which that wretchedly Photoshop-redacted computer graphic image was allegedly generated back in June 2008?

That’s a question that cuts right through the peripheral bullpuckey and can be answered with glorious expedition.

Ready? Give it a really GOOD try, kiddo….


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:06 am

Gee, I’m sorry you think I’m “pompous.” Personally, I think you’re obtuse, but what the hell….

Yeah, I know that American citizens giving birth to children in foreign lands can and do go to the consulate or embassy and register their get with the officers of the foreign service.

Hm. If that’s in the State Department records for Mr. Soetoro, he wouldn’t have needed a birth certificate for his mother to get him a passport later in his childhood, would she?

And as for questions, answer this one, son.

Why the hell hasn’t Mr. Soetoro or his handlers submitted to a panel of competent and impartial forensic documents examiners the 2007 Hawaii COLB from which that wretchedly Photoshop-redacted computer graphic image was allegedly generated back in June 2008?

That’s a question that cuts right through the peripheral bullpuckey and can be answered with glorious expedition.

Ready? Give it a really GOOD try, kiddo….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:06 am

Don’t forget that when he went to Indonesia and became a citizen there, he lost his American Citizenship if he had ever been one.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:06 am

Don’t forget that when he went to Indonesia and became a citizen there, he lost his American Citizenship if he had ever been one.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:07 am

see Orly get smacked down for yourself on CNN, video available here:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907170043

Comedy GOLD!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:08 am

Factcheck is non partisan for one…

http://hackerfactor.com/blog/index.php?/archives/235-Bad-Science-How-Not-To-Do-Image-Analysis-Part-II.html

there is no evidence it is forged. The State of Hawaii stands by the COLB as presented and it is stamped and it is signed. You are in denial, blinded by an obsession.

Why should he try to disprove ridiculous assertions? You people are obsessed, you’ve created this conspiracy and think it is legitimate when most Americans find it bizarre.

If you want to know what I do with my pud, you are going to have to be a lot nicer and prove your a woman.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:09 am

Oh, jeez… I'm just quakin in my boots here……Why don't you just kill yourself?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:11 am

citizen, Citizen, CITIZEN! A CITIZEN can’t be President it takes a Natural Born American!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:11 am

citizen, Citizen, CITIZEN! A CITIZEN can’t be President it takes a Natural Born American!


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:11 am

see Orly get smacked down for yourself on CNN, video available here:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907170043

Comedy GOLD!!!


Preboomer
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:12 am

Donald, you are also typical and predictable. No provable facts to discuss, no intelligent discussion, and only name calling for you to use in rebuttal.

One day we will see Obama's real bc. I truly hope that it proves he is legitimate.

As my name implies, I was born before the baby boomers. I have voted for every democrat since voting for JFK in 1960.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:12 am

YOU crack me up.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:14 am

see Orly get smacked down for yourself on CNN, video available here:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907170043

Comedy GOLD!!!


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:14 am

see Orly get smacked down for yourself on CNN, video available here:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907170043

Comedy GOLD!!!


devin
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:16 am

Afed, his father is listed as African, which is what he was.

His relationship with Ayers and Kahlidi aren't secrets, they are out there to read about. Seems people forget Kahlidi is an American citizen and a professor, he isn't a terrorist. Obama has said he disagrees with his take on the problems of the middle east. He was engaging important intellectual topics long before he became a US Senator, which is a GOOD thing.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:17 am

Well since there is no evidence at all that he was born in Kenya, the point is moot in regards to him getting a passport. My point in even discussing that possibility is the absurdity of the assertion to begin with. You are basically saying the State Dept is covering all this up. The point was also that if he’d entered America as foreign born, it would have to be in the records.

Tuci, Obama gave you a valid birth record, why the hell would he hire ‘impartial forensic examiners’ ? Do you think the Republican governor of Hawaii is part of this cover up too? They’ve seen the original document, so you must think they are lying too. Because you are obsessed with something, doesn’t mean that because someone doesn’t respond in kind, with the same sort of focus and energy as you put into it, doesn’t make them guilty of anything.

have you ever had a jealous lover that accused you of cheating and no matter what you said or did, it was never good enough? they seemed intent on believing you cheated? the more you responded, the more they seem to obsess? It is the same with this conspiracy, you are spinning your own wheels and getting increasingly frustrated that you are going nowhere.

I m going to bed..


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:17 am

Well since there is no evidence at all that he was born in Kenya, the point is moot in regards to him getting a passport. My point in even discussing that possibility is the absurdity of the assertion to begin with. You are basically saying the State Dept is covering all this up. The point was also that if he’d entered America as foreign born, it would have to be in the records.

Tuci, Obama gave you a valid birth record, why the hell would he hire ‘impartial forensic examiners’ ? Do you think the Republican governor of Hawaii is part of this cover up too? They’ve seen the original document, so you must think they are lying too. Because you are obsessed with something, doesn’t mean that because someone doesn’t respond in kind, with the same sort of focus and energy as you put into it, doesn’t make them guilty of anything.

have you ever had a jealous lover that accused you of cheating and no matter what you said or did, it was never good enough? they seemed intent on believing you cheated? the more you responded, the more they seem to obsess? It is the same with this conspiracy, you are spinning your own wheels and getting increasingly frustrated that you are going nowhere.

I m going to bed..


devin
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:18 am

That isn't a good question, it is meaningless. Why would he need to always have a copy of his birth certicate? He has a US passport and a driver's license, why would he need to have a birth certicate handy? The State Dept. has had a copy of his certified birth certicate for many years now, that is HOW you get a passport. It really is THAT simple.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:19 am

first you mention me pulling my pud then you call me son. that is just a bit strange if you ask me ;)


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:19 am

first you mention me pulling my pud then you call me son. that is just a bit strange if you ask me ;)


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:20 am

his mom was a citizen, but his dad was not. not a natural born citizen. doesn't matter. country's going to hell in a handbasket.


Preboomer
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:24 am

Devin, no doubt his long form birth certificate is legitimate. No one is arguing that. That's actually why we want to see it, because only it is legit., showing facts we want to see.

The certificate of “live birth” which we have seen has two problems. First, most experts think it was faked and second, it gives no details that proves Obama is a “natural born citizen”.


devin
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:26 am

Tuci, you are lying. The document has never been shown to be a forgery. The guy quoted by the Birther News Daily rag was anonymous. His take on the form was fully discredited by a man who was not afraid to post his name or his credentials.

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualin…


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:28 am

Oh, great. Good old FactCheck. Yeah, sure. This privately owned and operated Web site is absolutely “non partisan” because…

Well, because the officers of the Annenberg Foundation say so, right? Yep. And these people are certified or qualified or sworn or attested or even pinky-promised-hope-to-die by precisely what standard, kiddo?

And the people listed on the “About FactCheck.org” Web page are just SO diverse, including people who’ve written for libertarian publications, worked at the Cato Institute, studied economics under Austrian School professors at Auburn University, involved themselves in Ron Paul’s political campaigns…

What, you say? No, they’re all dead-from-the-neck-up “Liberals”? Ex-*Common Cause Magazine* journalists? One used to be a writer for *The Colbert Report*?

Darn. And you said they were “non partisan,” too, didn’t you?

Jeez, old pud-wacker, but who’s the dude in denial?

There’s no evidence that a real, live, print-on-paper Hawaii Certification of Live Birth EXISTS, you friggin’ ninny.

There’s a JPG, a computer-generated image, and that’s the whole damned ball of wax.

Let’s say that you play with something other than your pud – a nice, graphics-rich computer game, like the ones upon which my eight-year-old grandson fixates obsessively.

The images are detailed. Gloriously so. And they’ve got sound effects, and you can (to a limited extent) manipulate them.

Great.

And just what the hell gives you to think that the JPG released by the Obama campaign to the Obamaphiles at FactCheck.org and DailyKos back in June 2008 – and, remember that’s the ONLY evidence anybody’s got that such a COLB has ever existed – wasn’t as much a fabrication as the images on those graphic computer games with which you’ve been scorching your retinas?

Gawd, I observe that objective proof is easy to provide, and this lackweight refuses to even consider why the Soetoro-suckers have been squirming so sinuously to get away from doing so….


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:28 am

Oh, great. Good old FactCheck. Yeah, sure. This privately owned and operated Web site is absolutely “non partisan” because…

Well, because the officers of the Annenberg Foundation say so, right? Yep. And these people are certified or qualified or sworn or attested or even pinky-promised-hope-to-die by precisely what standard, kiddo?

And the people listed on the “About FactCheck.org” Web page are just SO diverse, including people who’ve written for libertarian publications, worked at the Cato Institute, studied economics under Austrian School professors at Auburn University, involved themselves in Ron Paul’s political campaigns…

What, you say? No, they’re all dead-from-the-neck-up “Liberals”? Ex-*Common Cause Magazine* journalists? One used to be a writer for *The Colbert Report*?

Darn. And you said they were “non partisan,” too, didn’t you?

Jeez, old pud-wacker, but who’s the dude in denial?

There’s no evidence that a real, live, print-on-paper Hawaii Certification of Live Birth EXISTS, you friggin’ ninny.

There’s a JPG, a computer-generated image, and that’s the whole damned ball of wax.

Let’s say that you play with something other than your pud – a nice, graphics-rich computer game, like the ones upon which my eight-year-old grandson fixates obsessively.

The images are detailed. Gloriously so. And they’ve got sound effects, and you can (to a limited extent) manipulate them.

Great.

And just what the hell gives you to think that the JPG released by the Obama campaign to the Obamaphiles at FactCheck.org and DailyKos back in June 2008 – and, remember that’s the ONLY evidence anybody’s got that such a COLB has ever existed – wasn’t as much a fabrication as the images on those graphic computer games with which you’ve been scorching your retinas?

Gawd, I observe that objective proof is easy to provide, and this lackweight refuses to even consider why the Soetoro-suckers have been squirming so sinuously to get away from doing so….


dickm
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:28 am

And he was born to an American Mother !! Case closed. Shut the F Up ALL OF YOU !!


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Why would I ever want to do that? Life here is grand…just grand.


devin
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Old, You are a citizen AT birth if you are BORN HERE. His mother's age had nothing to do with it, that has never been the law when a child is born in the US. EVER. He was born a US Citizen, period. John McCain was natural born because his parents were both citizens of the US, so it didn't matter where in the world he was born. That has been the law since the 1791 naturalization act, the first law in the books that attempted to define “natural born citizen”, which the constitution did NOT define.


mantis
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Not too good with the reading comprehension, are you. Typical birther.


mantis
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Not too good with the reading comprehension, are you. Typical birther.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:32 am

Devin, they are impervious to facts, law, or truth…I believe it is a condition called “stuck on stupid”…very sad, and apparently incurable.


devin
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Preboomer, the State of Hawaii puts info on the colb that is ON the long form, that is where they get “Honolulu” from, it is very simple. Not ONE expert thinks the document is forged, no less 'most'. The one usually quoted was anonmyous, out of some bizarre fear he might face retaliation(which is horsesh*t). He was anonymous because he isn't an expert in anything and his findings have been found to be forgeries themselves, by a named and credentialed expert. He was born in Honolulu, there is no reason to believe otherwise. There is no evidence he was born in Africa, there is no evidence his young mother left her parents and the home she knew to go to Kenya which was in the middle of turmoil to go have a baby. If she'd traveled there and came back with a baby, how did she get through customs with a baby??? You have to show passports, you have to show a birth certificate provided by a US consulary, which is what the state dept. tells travelers overseas to do, all this would be on record(but it isn't, cause it didn't happen). There is NO evidence.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:37 am

Inasmuch as the government of Kenya publicly announced that they were sealing Barry’s medical records in Kenya “permanently, until after the U.S. election,” we can safely say:

a) Barry has medical records in Kenya

b) There’s information in those medical records that would be EXTREMELY damaging to Mombasa’s favorite son if they were to come under public scrutiny.

And, boy, you’ve just gotta keep weaseling away from that “show us the friggin’ COLB, Barry” question, don’tcha?

If that JPG was created from scanning a legitimate Hawaii COLB uttered in 2007, that document ought to exist, right?

So where the hell is it?

Betcha you’re gonna duck that again.

And again, and again, and again, and again.

Jeez, kiddo; you’re further in denial than the Aswan High Dam.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:37 am

Inasmuch as the government of Kenya publicly announced that they were sealing Barry’s medical records in Kenya “permanently, until after the U.S. election,” we can safely say:

a) Barry has medical records in Kenya

b) There’s information in those medical records that would be EXTREMELY damaging to Mombasa’s favorite son if they were to come under public scrutiny.

And, boy, you’ve just gotta keep weaseling away from that “show us the friggin’ COLB, Barry” question, don’tcha?

If that JPG was created from scanning a legitimate Hawaii COLB uttered in 2007, that document ought to exist, right?

So where the hell is it?

Betcha you’re gonna duck that again.

And again, and again, and again, and again.

Jeez, kiddo; you’re further in denial than the Aswan High Dam.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:37 am

If you knew the law here in the USA, you'd know you were incorrect. I get it, you are a birfoon, so, laws and facts and truth are irrelevant…but, don't you think if your delusional interpretation of the law were correct someone, somewhere would take you idiots seriously? Everyone knows his dad was Kenyan, it is no secret, yet SHOCKINGLY, no one seems all that concerned but you fools…ever wonder why that is? Do you honestly believe every Judge and Congressman in the US is in on the conspiracy…(if you do think that, BTW, please seek help, you are clearly mentally unbalanced)


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:40 am

For one thing, dev, odds are good that you’re a helluva lot younger than me.

For another, in the immortal words of Mel Blanc, you’re obviously “just jerking off.”


stop7997
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:41 am

The law is if you're born in the United States, it doesn't matter if both of your parents are Martians, you're still a US citizen. I thought every school kid knew that. I learned it way back in grade school.


neliberal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:43 am

I've been reading this and your Bifers are among the most ignorant people I've ever encountered!

His mother was a child and couldn't transfer citizenship to her newborn?!?!

HUH???

She was married and 19 when he was born. A legal adult, not a child.
And what the heck is “transfer citizenship”? If you are born in the United States you are a natural born American. Obama was born in Hawaii, a state of the union, of an American mother. I'm still waiting for a Birfer to explain exactly how he was so smart he got a birth announcement published in a Honolulu newspaper in 1961, in order to lay the groundwork to prove his citizenship!
And Hawaii, with a GOP administration, has repeatedly confirmed they have his birth certificate, he was born there.
Indeed, if anyone's citizenship as a “natural born” American was questionable, it was McCains, as he was born in the Panama Canal Zone. Indeed, Congress passed a law specifically to clarify that people born at American military bases in foreign nations are still “Natural Born Americans”, showing there has been confusion on this over the years.

And after all, at this point this is all academic. He's elected. Its not contested by even Republicans in Congress. He's just going to ignore you guys, judges are literally laughing you out of court. There comes a point where I ask, do you guys LIKE being the butt of everyone's jokes?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:45 am

seems to me the fact that they consistently factchecked everyone, not just Republicans or Libertarians or Democrats is more of a testimony to being non-partisan, than your anecdotal list of associations and former places of employment. So if you work at the CATO institute you are now unable to be non-partisan? or furthermore must be part of a conspiracy to hide Obama’s true identity? That is hugely fallacious logic.

You have no evidence that the Anneberg Foundation is complicit in anything…you just make wild assertions as if that is somehow some proof of anything. If your level of obsession and excitement over your part in this conspiracy theory were proof of anything, Obama would be in prison on that alone. Alas, it is just hotair, meaningless. Your degree of condescension, ie calling me ‘son’ and ‘pudwacker’ is not indicative of your intelligence or of facts in this matter, it is evidence of doubts, frustration and in your case some mild narcissistic irritation. You ll never admit you could be wrong, you won’t question any of this, no less yourself. You keep NOT looking at the evidence the COLB is not forged. You have offered no proof it is or that any of those groups lied.

Hot air…You’ve also not shown any proof that Obama’s mother “definitely” flew to Kenya. You made that up or read it from someone else that had. There is no evidence whatsoever. Certainly if you are connecting the dots within your own conspiracy theory. What you can definitely say is, you definitely have no proof of anything and that your story falls extremely flat with any scrutiny.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:45 am

seems to me the fact that they consistently factchecked everyone, not just Republicans or Libertarians or Democrats is more of a testimony to being non-partisan, than your anecdotal list of associations and former places of employment. So if you work at the CATO institute you are now unable to be non-partisan? or furthermore must be part of a conspiracy to hide Obama’s true identity? That is hugely fallacious logic.

You have no evidence that the Anneberg Foundation is complicit in anything…you just make wild assertions as if that is somehow some proof of anything. If your level of obsession and excitement over your part in this conspiracy theory were proof of anything, Obama would be in prison on that alone. Alas, it is just hotair, meaningless. Your degree of condescension, ie calling me ‘son’ and ‘pudwacker’ is not indicative of your intelligence or of facts in this matter, it is evidence of doubts, frustration and in your case some mild narcissistic irritation. You ll never admit you could be wrong, you won’t question any of this, no less yourself. You keep NOT looking at the evidence the COLB is not forged. You have offered no proof it is or that any of those groups lied.

Hot air…You’ve also not shown any proof that Obama’s mother “definitely” flew to Kenya. You made that up or read it from someone else that had. There is no evidence whatsoever. Certainly if you are connecting the dots within your own conspiracy theory. What you can definitely say is, you definitely have no proof of anything and that your story falls extremely flat with any scrutiny.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:45 am

Tsk. Lying? Me?

Darlin' devin, there has never been a document shown.

There's an IMAGE of what is purported to be a document, and that computer image is demonstrably a fabrication.

I'm not saying that the document is a forgery. I'm saying that no competent, objective, impartial forensic documents examiner has ever been allowed to examine ANY such document.

Moreover, we've got Dr. Alvin Onaka, the Hawaii State Registrar and Head of the Office of Health Status Monitoring (OSHM), of which Vital Records is a part, in an interview asked if Janice Okubo of Hawaii Vital Records had confirmed that their office produced a 2007 Certification of Live Birth, date-stamped June 6, 2007, with Obama's birth information on it, and he quickly replied:

“Absolutely not. No one in our office confirmed it.”

Jeez, you're sweating.

Mr. Soetoro and his sputniki can get out of this ever-accelerating mill race by simply producing the nice, pretty 2007 COLB from which they claim to have created that JPG image last year. Simple, right?

They can put it into the hands of the kinds of forensic evidence experts we see portrayed on all those police pornography programs on TV, and that much of the controversy goes bye-bye right away.

Not all of it, for the territory and state of Hawaii (check out their statutes) have for decades been issuing such COLB documents to people who were NOT born in Hawaii, and therefore even a valid COLB in no way supports the contention that Barry Soetoro first sucked in the breath of life on any island of the Hawaiian archipelago.

But does such a valid COLB exist? I know that you don't care, devin – except that if it doesn't, then your beloved Barry-boy is palpably and undeniably a friggin' criminal, and belongs in a narrow little room somewhere in Marion, Ohio.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:47 am

Their antics keep everyone over at politijab.com wildly amused…they are mocked mercilessly over there…at every turn, by some really smart people. HYSTERICAL


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:50 am

you're right. He is a U.S. citizen. but he's NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. both parents would have to be U.S. citizens. so he doesn't qualify under the Constitution. really.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:58 am

Well I m a hell of a lot younger than you if ’78 is your year of birth

I just looked through our conversations and it seems you are ducking a few things and falling back onto your/the conspiracy’s talking points, trying to make me somehow think that someone not doing something is a proof of something nefarious.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg

I see the stamp, raised, but then again I m a lot younger than you, my vision is still 20/20.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg

that isn’t an image of a jpeg, it is a photo of the COLB.

and sig.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_7.jpg

now goodnight and please, try not to think about my pud too much.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:58 am

Well I m a hell of a lot younger than you if ’78 is your year of birth

I just looked through our conversations and it seems you are ducking a few things and falling back onto your/the conspiracy’s talking points, trying to make me somehow think that someone not doing something is a proof of something nefarious.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_5.jpg

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_2.jpg

I see the stamp, raised, but then again I m a lot younger than you, my vision is still 20/20.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_1.jpg

that isn’t an image of a jpeg, it is a photo of the COLB.

and sig.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_7.jpg

now goodnight and please, try not to think about my pud too much.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:59 am

Well, for one thing we know you’ve never lived anywhere near Philly. You don’t know doo-dah about the Annenbergs, do you?

And it’s IMPOSSIBLE to be non-partisan, little guy. Anyone claiming to be is automatically to be expected to be piddling down your leg while telling you it’s raining.

Hell, he’ll probably do it with an absolutely straight face even while he’s choking the chicken.

The Annenbergs have always been like that. Or have you never had the benefit of exposure to *The Philadelphia Inquirer* or *The Philadelphia Daily News*?

So you’re still sliming away from the subject of that print-on-paper 2007 COLB that the Obama campaign had claimed was scanned to create the JPG they e-mailed to DailyKos and their butt-buddes at the Annenberg Foundation, eh?

Got nothing as to why Barry hasn’t just released that alleged document to competent forensics examiners (which, by the way, nobody at FactCheck is, or ever was) to settle this aspect of the issue for once and all, right?

Jeez, dev-baby, you are as predictable as a pulsar.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:59 am

Well, for one thing we know you’ve never lived anywhere near Philly. You don’t know doo-dah about the Annenbergs, do you?

And it’s IMPOSSIBLE to be non-partisan, little guy. Anyone claiming to be is automatically to be expected to be piddling down your leg while telling you it’s raining.

Hell, he’ll probably do it with an absolutely straight face even while he’s choking the chicken.

The Annenbergs have always been like that. Or have you never had the benefit of exposure to *The Philadelphia Inquirer* or *The Philadelphia Daily News*?

So you’re still sliming away from the subject of that print-on-paper 2007 COLB that the Obama campaign had claimed was scanned to create the JPG they e-mailed to DailyKos and their butt-buddes at the Annenberg Foundation, eh?

Got nothing as to why Barry hasn’t just released that alleged document to competent forensics examiners (which, by the way, nobody at FactCheck is, or ever was) to settle this aspect of the issue for once and all, right?

Jeez, dev-baby, you are as predictable as a pulsar.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:05 am

Let's say, devin, that you were a patient of mine, and you had become medically disabled. You would need from me and from the other health care providers responsible for your medical management true and accurate statements as to the nature of your medical condition, your level of function, and the expectation of the duration of time during which you could be expected to remain incapable of returning to any kind of gainful work.

Among the other things that the Social Security people would demand of you, however, would be a valid birth certificate. They want proof that you are, indeed, who you claim to be.

Without such a birth certificate, you would have enormous trouble establishing your right to claim benefits of any kind under the regulations presently obtaining.

In some states (particularly after the Beltway Sniper incidents in 2002, in the course of which it was discovered that shooter John Allen Muhammad – with a Washington state driver's license – had used a false address to register his car in the state of New Jersey), the provision of a true and certified copy of the “long form” birth certificate is one of the points of identification absolutely required to secure or renew a driver's license.

Beyond that consideration, if the U.S. Department of State “has had a copy of his certified birth certificate for many years now,” how do you come to know this?

Or are you just whistling in the dark?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:07 am

Jeez, you were born after ’78? Damn, my kids are all older than you.

And leave off the FactCheck crap. Polarik evaluated all of the images to which you’ve linked. Get into his final report and address his observations.

Like me, you’re not a qualified forensic documents or images examiner, either. The points Polarik has made in his promulgations have not in any way at all been refuted.

Besides, as always (sigh!) the whole damned thing could be settled were that alleged document put into the hands of somebody a helluva lot more competent and less prejudiced than the rank-and-file Obama-worshiping dorks at FactCheck.

All Barry has to do is DO it.

So why the hell doesn’t he?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:07 am

Jeez, you were born after ’78? Damn, my kids are all older than you.

And leave off the FactCheck crap. Polarik evaluated all of the images to which you’ve linked. Get into his final report and address his observations.

Like me, you’re not a qualified forensic documents or images examiner, either. The points Polarik has made in his promulgations have not in any way at all been refuted.

Besides, as always (sigh!) the whole damned thing could be settled were that alleged document put into the hands of somebody a helluva lot more competent and less prejudiced than the rank-and-file Obama-worshiping dorks at FactCheck.

All Barry has to do is DO it.

So why the hell doesn’t he?


neliberal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:20 am

Nope, sorry. Wrong on the facts!

Only one parent need be American, and he was born in the United States.

natural born American, per US law!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:25 am

I misspoke, I ment if ’78 is the year of your birth, you are not older than me. I d be about 11 yrs older…I should of been in bed 2 hrs ago..obviously.

I put in a sight with an documents expert who addresses the anonymous guys and polarik etc. I don’t need to prove anything. I see the stamp and the signature on photographs of the COLB. it is obviously not scanned. I’ve addressed the idea of having someone come in to disprove your groundless conspiracy. Don’t make the mistake of thinking because no one takes up your challenge as to means you are correct, that is more fallacious logic. Dishonest too.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:25 am

I misspoke, I ment if ’78 is the year of your birth, you are not older than me. I d be about 11 yrs older…I should of been in bed 2 hrs ago..obviously.

I put in a sight with an documents expert who addresses the anonymous guys and polarik etc. I don’t need to prove anything. I see the stamp and the signature on photographs of the COLB. it is obviously not scanned. I’ve addressed the idea of having someone come in to disprove your groundless conspiracy. Don’t make the mistake of thinking because no one takes up your challenge as to means you are correct, that is more fallacious logic. Dishonest too.


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:28 am

doesn't matter. he's going down as the worst President in the history of the u.s.


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:41 am

he's NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. both parents would have to be U.S. citizens. so he doesn't qualify under the Constitution. really.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:43 am

Oh? That's getting “smacked down,” is it?

Well, thanks for the link. We surely know how the corporate clowns at CNN suck unto Barry Soetoro, don't we?

Set-piece screw jobs like this one don't do a damned thing to address the substance of the “birther” contentions that Hussein the Hubshi has never once in his little life provided anybody, at any time, anywhere, anything resembling the sorts of proof of identity that are required in many states to get oneself a driver's license.

Or, come to think of it, to apply to Social Security for medical disability benefits.

Keyes' further points – about Barry's adamant and expensively funded efforts to deny anyone a look at his academic records (from Kindergarten through Harvard Law), his record as an officer of the Illinois state senate, his list of clients served as a practicing attorney at law, his medical records in Kenya, et-interminable-cetera – are also not addressed.

Jeez, big surprise.

Hey, disbar-bubbie; you got anything to back up the existence of the Tooth Fairy?

My four-year-old granddaughter asked me to look for some proof online, and I figure with your gullibility and fixation on fantasy, you're the guy to ask.


Preboomer
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:48 am

Here are the possibilities that his vault bc might reveal.

One – He was born in Hawaii and the bc shows his father to be Kenyan. This does make him a citizen of the U.S. However, this gives him dual citizenship which elimates him from being a natural born citizen as required in the constitution.

Two – It reveals he was born in Kenya, which also eliminates him as being a natural born citizen. In this case the certificate of live birth we have all seen is a fake.


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:54 am

that's why orders for Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook to be deployed to Iran were revoked. because Obama doesn't want this issue to be publicized any further. he's not qualified.


richmc
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:58 am

Don't any of you have the ability to read?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/24255/…

Jus Sanguinis (Right of Blood)

Jus Soli (Right of Birthplace)

Naturalization


richmc
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:00 am

Obviously you don't read. Stefan could request his orders be cancelled because he volunteered.


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:02 am

he's NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. both parents would have to be U.S. citizens. so he doesn't qualify under the Constitution. really.


richmc
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:02 am

Absolutely correct.


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:04 am

“Barack Obama has proudly and publicly stated that his father was a citizen of Kenya. We know his mother was eighteen years old when he was born. These two facts make Obama ineligible to be president. No birth certificate is needed as proof, and it doesn't matter at all where Obama was born. His father's non-citizenship is all the law requires. He is ineligible from the beginning, meaning he is NOT the president and can be removed from office without any impeachment or trial, it requires only a ruling by the SCOTUS. HE is, in fact, a usurper, a pretender or a fake.”


richmc
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:04 am

Well put, for a while, I thought I had gone through the looking glass.


richmc
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:07 am

Igorant (sic)


richmc
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:09 am

Does it really say in the constitution both parents have to be US citizens so that the child is a US citizen?

And golly here all these kids of illegal immigrants are US citizens, how does that work?


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:12 am

doesn't matter


AJP
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:20 am

Let's entertain the notion, for a minute, that Obama is actually proven to be constitutionally/legally ineligible to be president on the flimsiest of technicalities, that will obviously never hold up in court. Personally, I don't care. I would vote for him again, even if you idiots “proved” to me that he was “not eligible” to be president. He is more of an American by way of his life, history, and personal accomplishments than any of the inbred redneck racist morons pushing this tripe can ever hope to be. All I see are a bunch of mentally challenged racists full of hate and anger who are incapable of accepting that a black man could become president, and have irreversibly latched on to this wacko bullshit because it makes them feel better to think of Obama as an illegitimate president. Though the birthers are all pathetic and wasting their time and energy on this faltering and misguided effort, even if they were right, which they are not,I would still vote for an illegitimate Obama over a “natural born” McCain. CNN/Dobbs have no shame for humoring these morons and their toxic lies.


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:23 am

Janeane, is that you?


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:25 am

“So why has Obama been shepherded into our highest elected office regardless of the fact that he is, according to his own statements and the law of the land, ineligible for that office? It is because those whose responsibility it is to insure the eligibility of the president, the SCOTUS, has chosen, in violation of the law, not to override the voters that voted for Obama. They are are cowards who violate their sworn oath rather than make an unpopular ruling. We are no longer a republic ruled by law, but, instead have become a democracy with rules made up as we go along, never to be written as law.”


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:27 am

Wow you are absolutely clueless.

There is ZERO justification for your treasonous lies about dual citizenship. The law does not eliminate anyone based on dual citizenship.

You being too stupid to comprehend reality doesn't change that reality.


richmc
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:28 am

Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: November 1, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is “fake.”

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as “supporting documents” to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

Update, Nov. 1: The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health confirmed Oct. 31 that Obama was born in Honolulu.

Analysis
Update Nov. 1: The Associated Press quoted Chiyome Fukino as saying that both she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

Fukino also was quoted by several other news organizations. The Honolulu Advertiser quoted Fukino as saying the agency had been bombarded by requests, and that the registrar of statistics had even been called in at home in the middle of the night.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:29 am

Gawd, AJP, how nice. So you're willing to go on record as having voted for Barry Soetoro, and you're proud of it. And you'd do it again, of only he were qualified to run for office.

Which he isn't, and never was. But, hey, like I said, that's nice.

Okay, let's get down to something else, something I know that you'll be interested in, and which can benefit you enormously.

I can put you in touch with Bernie Madoff. Sure, he's in prison – but that just means he's finally free of all those distractions he used to suffer, and he can devote his time and attention to a select number of exclusive clients. From what you've written, I'm CERTAIN that you qualify.

You just list in the reply to this post your credit card account numbers and that little string of digits along the bottom of those pages in your check book, and I'll pass them along to Mr. Madoff lickety-split for you.

Get ready to begin a life of prosperity, security, and ease.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:29 am

<<<Does it really say in the constitution both parents have to be US citizens so that the child is a US citizen? >>>

Not even close, but the people repeating this stupid argument aren't really interested in what is true.


AJP
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:36 am

Learn to read, dude. I said I would do it again, EVEN if you “proved” he was ineligible. Oh, and nice comeback with the Madoff remark. Somebody rush be to the BURN unit, STAT!


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:36 am

typical “reversal” from the commie-rump rangers….accuse your opponent of the very thing you're guilty of.

hey weigel, how long have you been douche-ing?


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:37 am

doesn't matter


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:37 am

whether you care or not is irrellevant.

If BO has willfully committed this fraud, he's going to the gas chamber or face the firing squad.

Have a nice day.


BethS
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:38 am

You people on this site are crazy. Ignorant,illogical racists. I hope none of you have offspring! Get over it-he won. Channel your energy by actively supporting Palin and stop with this birth certificate nonsense.


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:39 am

your “sources” are bull-crap.

He's a phoney, he's going down.


AJP
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Birthers only believe in democracy to the extent that voters ratify their worldview. As soon as they lose an election, all bets are off ;)


BethS
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:42 am

Please leave the country. You are a terror*ist.


RedGraham
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:43 am

NULLIFY THE USURPER!


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:45 am

you are an idiot. do you like strawberry or grape flavored kool – aid.

he's going down. and he's going to pay the price.


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:47 am

what hospital was he born in?

who was the doctor?

hee-hee-hee-hee…..


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:47 am

Janeane, is that you?


AJP
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:47 am

Yeah, in your confederate fantasies, you pathetic little douchebag. Only if you want to see a real revolution/bloodbath, as opposed to the fake, astroturf “tea parties” through which racist white trash have been duped into supporting a last-ditch effort to prevent modest tax increases on the billionaire-thieves who walked away with trillions after trashing the economy. Obama is the legitimate, elected POTUS.


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:48 am

“POSTSCRIPT: In each and every case dismissed by the SCOTUS challenging Obama's eligibility the reason for dismissal had nothing to do with the merits of the plaintiff's claim. Not once did the SCOTUS rule Obama was eligible or even consider whether he was or not, rather they dismissed each case on the technicality of plaintiff's lack of standing to file the case.”


BethS
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:48 am

Perhaps Mr. Obama and his supporters have birthcertificateophobia. Mr. Obama does not want to produce his and the Dems are suing to prevent it from being produced. Perhaps their condition is simply a manifestation of their deeper truthophobia?


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:48 am

actually, if Obama is proven to be un-naturalized, you and all your friends will be the ones guility of treason.

do you prefer firing squad, hanging, or ol' sparky?

I'll pull the switch.


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:50 am

doesn't matter


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:51 am

thanks, I've recorded your email address. I'm going to forward to the authorities after Obama is found to be illegitimate.

you'll be executed too.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:52 am

Aw, shucks, AJP. I know you'd vote for Barry again, even if you had to write in his name, the way folks vote for “Donald Duck” and “Mickey Mouse.” I know you love him, and want to have his children, and would buy yourself a set of knee-pads the minute you'd learned your application for service as a White House intern had been approved.

Like I said, that's nice.

But the guy's just not eligible to run for the presidency. Ain't that disappointing? And having never been eligible to stand for that office as a candidate, he really can't lawfully occupy that office, and that's the suck you've gotta embrace.

And, darn, even though you're stupid enough to have voted for Mr. Soetoro, you're not yet stupid enough to take advantage of Bernie Madoff's exclusive services.

Well, we're establishing a continuum. Let's see how much more discriminately we can place you on the gullibility scale.


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:53 am

AJP, you may wish to postpone your talk of revolution/bloodbath…honkies have all the guns….now go back to to your boyfriend, smoke a joint, pee on each other and hit the leather bar together.


AJP
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:57 am

Oh noes–”the authorities”!!!!! I love all the assumptions you've made about me there. You freaks are high comedy and wildly entertaining.


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:58 am

“Factcheck” is as phoney as an Obama Reserve Note.

Face it, it's over. He lied, an now's he's going to face the music.

I'm recording the email addresses of all you paid phonies too….we'll get around to you after Soetero is dealt with.


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:59 am

Has Barry closed Guantanamo yet?


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:59 am

Has Barry closed Guantanamo yet?


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:59 am

keep posting, please. I'm recording all of it.

what is your social security number? I've already got your URL.


BethS
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:01 am

I find it interesting that those who support Mr. Obama feel compelled to use terms like moron, redneck, idiot, etc. when talking about those of us on the correct side of this issue. Those who support Mr. Obama clearly don't have a case and they demonstrate it ever so clearly by their name calling and lack of substantive arguments. They don't have to prove we're right, but they're nice to do so.


devinbret
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:02 am

The conspiracy theorists are the ones who have CREATED all these issues they want everyone to respond to, there is no legitimacy to any of the claims. You don't question at all your own motivations or your own claims. Some are STILL claiming there was a travel ban on Pakistan, untrue. Some STILL say the certificate on factcheck was forged, UNTRUE. Some think his mother magically flew undetected by anyone to Kenya, had Obama and magically flew back and got through customs with an undocumented baby, obviously UNTRUE. This is an obsession, they don't want the truth, they think somehow magically that their made up concerns are now somehow someone else's responsibility, that because they ask questions they should be answered and that if they aren't it must be for the same reasons they imagine…it is circular. You can't win in that situation, it is the mark of a conspiracy, being asked to disprove a claim that has no validity. “proof you landed on the moon”, “proof you aren't cheating”…Obama released the COLB in part due to constant rumors about his name or something and all it did is feed into conspiracies, any answer or response he gives to people on this matter will do the same. He is doing the rational thing and letting you go on and on, leaving it on you, where it SHOULD be. You created it, having looked at your own claims with any scrutiny whatsover.


AJP
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:02 am

Yeah, because I voted for Obama, I must be a gay stoner. Thanks to the amazing success of “the gay agenda”, 53% of all voters in the last election, and fully 9 million more people than voted for McCain, are now gay stoners. You kill me.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:03 am

And since Barry-boy's election and apotheosis, sales of firearms and ammunition to all those bitter, gun-clinging, Bible-thumping, government-hating private citizens – which is to say the majority of the people in this country who work for a living (as opposed to voting for it) – has skyrocketed.

Ain't that nice? A perfect mark of the degree to which the people of America put their trust in the person and policies of Barry Soetoro, socialist boy wonder.

Like the townsfolk of Concord and Lexington, they're voting with their purchasing power, and what they're voting for is constitutionally lawful government.

Or else.


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:04 am

the wi-fi connection in your leather bar must be really strong.


devinbret
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:05 am

Dante, you are the one drinking the kool-aid. Tell me how he got a passport without showing the state dept. a certified birth certificate that would obviously say where he was born.


danterrysr
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:07 am

you don't have to be a natural born citizen to get a passport.

Gawd you really are an idiot.

What is your SS #? We'll need it clean everything up after this is all over.


devinbret
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:07 am

Doesn't matter, that is silly. Your parents do not have to be citizens for you to be a citizen at birth, ie a natural born citizen. Everyone knows his father was from Africa, this is no secret. The RNC knows it, the Supreme Court knows this…everyone knows it and it is obviously not an issue. Show me this “law” you claim exists.


richmc
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:11 am

“BethS 29 minutes ago You people on this site are crazy. Ignorant,illogical racists. I hope none of you have offspring! Get over it-he won. Channel your energy by actively supporting Palin and stop with this birth certificate nonsense.”

I'm glad you don't resort to name calling. Your head is as empty as a eunuchs underpants.


devinbret
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:11 am

Doesn't, the constitution says NOTHING about the citizenship of ones parents. The constitution does NOT define exactly what natural born citizen means. The law says NOTHING about both parents having to be American. The Naturalization law of 1791 is the first law that begins to define it, did you even know this existed? I doubt it.

Here is US code.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode0…

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States AT BIRTH:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

Yes, it really is that simple.


devinbret
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:12 am

They released the man never intended to go to Afghanistan. He REQUESTED a tour there 3 mths prior only to make this claim. He is a stooge for the insane Orly.


dswanson2609
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:15 am

The Birth Certificate is a red herring issue. The question is “Is BO constitutionally qualified to be the president of the United States. The LONG FORM birth certificate is one way he could prove that he qualifies. There may be others. Do not let yourself get all confused about these Hawaii COLB's that contain no useful data.


richmc
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:19 am

NUTS


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:20 am

Is rendition still going on?


doesn't matter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:29 am

Why did Obama have all of his school records sealed?


runfastandwin
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:50 am

He is the president and will be until Jan 20 2017. Nothing you people say or do is going to change it.

SUCK IT LOSERS!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Or until federal marshals perp-walk him out of the White House in handcuffs, ankle fetters, and belly chains.

Let's just embrace the suck, bubbie.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:05 am

A fool and his President soon part.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:06 am

Chains we can depend on!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:10 am

We haven't lost yet. No ones declared a winner after the challenge was issued.


baff
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:21 am

John McCain wasn't born in the United States. Palin isn't even human so what's all this crap about Obama's birth? Get over it losers. You lost. You need to worry about Limbaugh and Hannity. Where did they come from, the dumpster?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:21 am

We were set up. The economy was screwed and it needed a cooling down period. So they gave us two choices for President, neither one a Natural Born Citizen. Once elected they could go through the motions of doing this or that to try to stabilize the economy but all the economy needed was a little time. When the economy straightens it's self out they will finally announce Obama is not a Natural Born American, arrest that man! They would have done the same to McCain. Now everything the usurper has done will be null and void. Nothing will have really happened, because for the last 6 months we have not had a President. Everything will have to be put back to where it was on January 20 2009. Biden is not next in line, he was never VP. Maybe we can ask George to come back to Washington just until we have a new election.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:29 am

We created the fact he has refused to let America see any of his history? You're stretching there. This is a left wing coverup! why else would you not be curious about all the hidden facts we have had withheld from us? You know that once these facts are released your little Communist god will show feet of clay.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:32 am

AJP you wont be able to vote for him he will be in Federal Prison.


devinbret
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:41 am

You created the idea that things are being 'hidden from you'. You are making something seem nefarious, when it isn't. He is obviously not a Communist, you are making that up. You don't know what a communist is even.


mangoman3
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:42 am

Your glad that no one name call and then you do it yourself. I am amazed at how retarded most of america is.


mangoman3
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:44 am

You all are morons, he is not fit to be anything let alone the president. End of story…Oh and politics suck major M balls.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:51 am

Hear, hear! “Oh and p9litics suck major M balls.”

Couldn't agree with you more. Absolutely horrible way to do anything.

So how do you feel about getting our national economy away those politicians and bureaucrats and back into the hands of people who actually work for a living, and don't get involved in that “suck major M balls” bullpuckey?

Given the way those politicians are spending those billions and trillions of Fed-counterfeited dollars to no discernable beneficial effect whatsoever, and how Barry Soetoro seems to be channeling Robert Mugabe, how about we begin with the abolition of both the “income” tax and the whole stinking Federal Reserve System?

Now there's a way to get that “suck major M balls” business off our national scrotum.


devinbret
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:59 am

Are you denying that the State Dept. has a certified copy of his birth certificate? Are you then saying the State Dept. is part of some mass cover up? If he wasn't a citizen at birth, then the State dept. would have records that he had been naturalized at some point. Do you really think they are covering up all this and have been? Do you think the State of Hawaii is part of this, after all they did put Honolulu as his place of birth. How big do you imagine this conspiracy runs? And it must go back to his birth maybe, since I m sure they planned for him to be President back then.


birther
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:00 am

They don't have any answer so they just start calling people names. That's the indirect way of admiting they lost the case and just too immature to admit it.


Clear
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:32 am

I think some of you guys should just come out and form a Nazi party right here in the USA, thus decimating the Republiban.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:43 am

Too late. There's already a National Socialist Party in these United States.

True, they call themselves “Democrats,” but you get the idea, right?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:24 am

Aw. lay off Crash Test Johnnie, the Admiral's little aviator. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone to the wife of a serving naval officer, and as such qualifies as “natural-born” by law. The Congress vetted the silly bastich years ago, and concluded that he does, indeed, meet the minimum requirements for installation in that big chair behind the Resolute desk. So does Sarah Palin.

Hell, so did Michael Jackson. But the guy we're discussing is Barry Soetoro. Or Dunham. Or Obama. Or whatever. And NOBODY has vetted Mrs. Dunham's privileged prep-school Punahau alumnus with regard to his “natural-born” citizen status.

Damned curious, isn't it? Mommy and Daddy jet-setting all over the world, the government of Kenya publicly stating that Barry's medical records in Kenya were being sealed “permanently, until after the U.S. elections,” Mommy getting divorced from Daddy and marrying Maya's Daddy and the whole happy family living for years in Indonesia….

And just what d'you think is in Barry's records at the Punahau School, and at Occidental College, and at Columbia University, and at Harvard Law, that he's so achingly interested in keeping sealed? Maybe applications for financial support only available to foreign nationals, maybe?

Gosh, there's just SO much we don't know about Barry. You'd think all those folks who worship the water he walks upon would be interested in finding out, wouldn't you?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:41 am

Way down below, devinbret wrote, in response to Tuci78 (unregistered):

“I misspoke, I ment if '78 is the year of your birth, you are not older than me. I d be about 11 yrs older…I should of been in bed 2 hrs ago..obviously.

“I put in a sight with an documents expert who addresses the anonymous guys and polarik etc. I don't need to prove anything. I see the stamp and the signature on photographs of the COLB. it is obviously not scanned. I've addressed the idea of having someone come in to disprove your groundless conspiracy. Don't make the mistake of thinking because no one takes up your challenge as to means you are correct, that is more fallacious logic. Dishonest too.”

Nah. You put in a URL leading to a guy who put out a lot of “Nyah-Nyah! Polarik is wrong” without substantive address of Polarik's observations. I was supposed to bash you about it?

Oh, I've got “fallacious logic,” do I? Can you name the fallacies of logic, youngster? Are you capable of stipulating said fallacies, drawing from my posts examples thereof? I'd be delighted to see you make such an effort, really.

I've looked at the FactCheck images to which you've linked. Did it damn near a year ago, and I've done it again. Are you a competent forensic documents examiner, son? I'm not. I've seen what you saw, and I saw nothing I could say looked more than moderately plausible.

Had someone just made a print-out of that JPG, creased it twice, and hit it with something resembling a notary public's seal, those FactCheck photographic images are about as firmly rooted in reality as Tolkien's Middle Earth.

Marvelously detailed, but entirely fabricated.

The resolution to the question of whether or not the FactCheck JPGs are bogus is found in the provision of that gaudy little piece of paper to someone without the FactCheck functionaries prejudices (note how worshipfuly they describe the awesome experience of actually TOUCHING the Messiah's birth certificate!) and functioning at a level of competence above that of the average J-school graduate.

So why hasn't that been done, dev?

Yeah, I know. You're not going to answer that question, are you? Not even the hint of a ghost of a shadow of a phantom of a speculation, right?

Jeez, the intellectual dishonesty of you Obama-suckers would be astounding if I didn't have a lifetime's experience of dealing with Democrats and Republicans.


cal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:48 am

“So, curiously, though Congress justly demanded that McCain release all relevant records – which he did – they did not require the same of Barack Obama! Why?” – Pat Boone

Get your facts straight


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

Wow! Right about the ones with the language barrier, they can’t stop using name calling as a way to show they are right! He may have won by way of Chicago Politics, but he is not legal.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

Wow! Right about the ones with the language barrier, they can’t stop using name calling as a way to show they are right! He may have won by way of Chicago Politics, but he is not legal.


Jimmy Geesey
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:46 am

I am stupified with wonderment on where Pat Boone and Lou Dobbs were when the records of the now clearly ascertained brain-damaged coke snorting alcoholic, draft dodging coward George Bush was buying the white house with his (wimpy) father's influence and ill-gotten fortune. No comments or inquiry into why the records were quickly hidden and destroyed in not only Texas and Denver but in Alabama and at Harvard Business school that he decided to attend instead of his non-involvement in TANG while he was being issued checks but AWOL. He didn't get much schoolin' done because he was bilking investors with his boyfriend James Bath in a phony baloney oil and gas company his daddy set him up in with no experience. The reason he jumped 500 places in joining the Texas Air National Guard and was given a million dollar education in flying jets was because he got jammed up selling and possessing narcotics and was gonna do more than community service and he knew it. So did daddy. If Lou Dobbs is a journalist couldn't he report on that issue, or doesn't he want to be found suicided in a motel somewhere like the last person who reported on it. If Pat Boone is such a concerned citizen/celebrity (cough cough) why wasn't he screaming and crawling the walls over what was clearly a coupe of the wealthy thieves and criminals in this country in 1999 – 2000 ? He was probably busy reinventing himself as I remember it. Pat Boone … the leather fag bar mock-biker years. He and Freddie Mercury were twins.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:00 am

Yep. Damn' near a total scumbucket. And about a “Texan” as Meyer Lansky. Born in Connecticut, prep-schooled in Taxachusetts, educated at Yale and Harvard, and yet he spent his later years talking like a Midlands clod-kicker, all “aw-shucks-ing” his way into public office just like a real “man of the people.”

Gawd, what a put-on. Of course, flying the F-102 in the CONUS back in the '60s was just about as dangerous as flying any other jet into combat over Vietnam (not what you could call a “pilot friendly” airplane), so you've gotta ease off on his ANG stint. Dubbya could just as easily have done his time in the Guard flying a desk, given all that influence he packed. Or a trash hauler, if he had to be a pilot. And it's not like he made a dime off his wings in civilian life, right?

Just as I wouldn't expect Lou Dobbs or Pat Boone to vet good old Dubbya, I wouldn't expect sitting Republican occupants of public office to go after Barry Soetoro on the grounds of his manifest ineligiblity to have run for or to hold the office of President of these United States.

You don't expect one bunch of weasels to guard the henhouse against another mob of musteline chicken thieves, do you?

Just as there was nothing much genuine about Dubbya, there's nothing much authentic about Barry. He's about as “Black” as David Bowie, raised “Whiter than sour cream,” a privileged preppie prick from day one (Punahau School), and right up the old Ivy League, just like Dubbya.

African-American he may certainly be. But he's just faking that “Black” accent, isn't he?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

Having hot flashes are we?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

Having hot flashes are we?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

This is how you know you are now officially a member of the lunatic fringe.
And I don’t care or specualte hwat party you are, or claim to be.

Birther Poll Finds Whopping Eight Percent of Americans ‘Troubled’ by Obama Rumors
By David Weigel 6/19/09 2:04 PM WorldNetDaily reports on the results of a Wenzel Strategies poll, paid for by the fringe news Website, that asked 790 adults about the conspiracy theories surrounding President Obama’s citizenship. (Conspiracy theory debunked here.) Alex Koppelman goes through the methodology that allowed the site to claim that Birtherism was now a majority position.

The result trumpeted by WND is that 41.5 percent of respondents said “Obama should release all records, including long-form birth certificate,” essentially the “yes” answer WND was looking for. An additional 7.8 percent said they “are troubled by these questions,” which the site has been lumping in with the yes answer. The “no” answer, though, they split up into five different responses — “I am not concerned,” ”questions not valid,” “Obama has met requirements,” “Obama has answered all questions” and “requirements outdated — should be ignored.”

I asked Fritz Wenzel about this, whether it made sense to combine “I am troubled” and “Obama should release all his records,” as one intimates real worry about Obama’s citizenship while one just asks for transparency. “They are different questions,” he said, “but I think it’s reasonable to group them together. If people are troubled by a situation, they want more data.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

How many many Communists did he cozy up to during his formative years? Grandma, Grandpa, mommy, all daddies, Frank Marshal Davis, Malcolm Little (X), Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Chicago thugs, now the Rotten Rodham, Nancy “botox” Pelosi, On and on and on. No matter where he was born this man does not represent America. Possibly Russia, Definitely China, but not America.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

This means if you were born here under military you were a citizen of the
US.

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Thursday, February 22, 2007
United States Granted Panama Canal Zone, February 23, 1904

Today in 1904, the United States was granted control of the Panama Canal
Zone, a twenty-mile wide strip of land running from the Atlantic Ocean to
the Pacific across the newly-formed country of Panama. This marked the
culmination of a struggle for control of the tiny strip of land that, in the
end, resulted in a canal that would help usher the planet into a new age of
commerce and rapid transit.

Panama is an isthmus, a narrow strip of land connecting Central and South
America. The idea of building a canal there linking the Atlantic and Pacific
Oceans dates to the early 17th century, but it was not until the latter half
of the 19th century that the technology existed for such a task. Between
1850 and 1875, numerous surveys were made of not just Panama, but of
Nicaragua as well, for it also offered a possible path for a canal. After
French engineers completed the Suez Canal in 1869, it seemed as if it would
only be a matter of time before another grand canal would weave its way into
history.

In 1878, a French-led international consortium led by Ferdinand de Lesseps,
the man who had overseen the building of the Suez Canal, was formed. de
Lesseps was a national hero in France and thus had no problem raising money
from businesses, wealthy patrons and even average citizens of an amount
totaling almost $400 million. The canal would be built at sea level without
locks of any kind, just like the Suez. It would be 90 feet wide and 30 feet
deep, large enough for the biggest ships of that era. It would also be
finished in eight years.

The problem with these magnificent specifications is that they were
unrealistic. Panama was not Egypt; whereas the Suez Canal is essentially a
giant ditch dug through the flat desert, the Panama Canal would need to
travel through hills and past raging rivers. A sea-level canal would have
required excavation on a scale that was impossible given the technological
limitations of the late 19th century. de Lesseps was not an engineer and
neither were most of the people who signed off on the plan. Eight years into
the project, nearly $235 million had been spent, over 22,000 people had died
of injuries and disease and the canal plan that had been changed to include
locks was nowhere near completion. Work was suspended on May 15, 1889.

A new French company was formed five years later, but the project never got
off the ground again. By this time, American speculators were beginning to
talk about a canal in Nicaragua, which would make the Panama Canal
redundant. In June, 1902, the French agreed to sell the project to the
United States.

US President Theodore Roosevelt, who had been in office since 1901, thought
a canal through Panama was of vital strategic interest to the United States.
This would allow battleships to transfer from the Atlantic to the Pacific or
vice versa almost a month faster than they could by going around Cape Horn,
the southern tip of South America. Roosevelt contacted the Columbian
government, which at that time controlled Panama, and sought permission to
finish what the French had begun. The Hay-Herran Treaty of 1903 was the
result, but it did not pass muster with the Senate in Columbia. The canal
once again became a dead issue, at least to the casual observer. Behind
closed doors, however, Roosevelt was hard at work.

A significant portion of the Panamanian population wanted to be independent
of Columbia. President Roosevelt believed that a successful rebellion would
allow him to cut a deal with a newly-independent Panama. Via back channels,
the White House let it be known that were open rebellion to ensue in Panama,
the US Navy would help the rebels. Independence from Columbia was declared
on November 3, 1903, just about the time the gunboat USS Nashville arrived
on station in local waters. US troops arrived soon thereafter, and the
Republic of Panama was formed.

The US still did not have permission to build a canal in Panama. This was
solved on November 18, barely two weeks after Panama became an independent
nation, with the signing of the Hay-Bunau-Varilla Treaty. The treaty gave
the United States rights to a canal zone 20 miles wide, for which the United
States would pay $10 million up front and $250,000 yearly in rental
payments. The treaty also stated that the French would be paid $40 million
for their company assets in Panama.

The problem with the treaty was that it was not signed by anyone of
Panamanian citizenship. Phillipe Bunau-Varilla, the man who brokered the
treaty in Washington, was French and was only connected with Panama in that
he was a shareholder in the second French canal company. The Panamanian
government eventually accepted the terms of the treaty, although it would
remain a bitter dividing point between Panama and the United States for
nearly a century.

The Panama Canal opened to traffic in 1914, ten years after the United
States began work on it. During that time, 5,000 workers died, making for a
total of 27,000 people who died to make a canal linking two oceans a
reality. On January 1, 2000, Panama assumed control of the canal as the
result of Torrijos-Carter Treaties of 1977.

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Zorro
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

I am so enjoying the faux rage of the Obama haters, they prove with every statement his saying:
'they take pride in their own ignorance'…… truer words were never spoken.

This rant is similar in a way to the Bush/Cheney 'we kept you safe' meme…..
-if you don't count Sept. 11th.

If it doesn't make sense….. it's republican with the extra added bonus of 'holier than thou' religious/moral fraud.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

What’s with you? You don’t think Sarah’s Hot?


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

Oooh, I bet you get all gushy at the sight of a black man in chains.


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

Go back even further with Pat Boone and you have the photo of him exposing his “junk” that was published in a girle mag.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Wouldn’t work!

They’d just tell us its a forgery produced by Republican officials terrified of Obama.

Remember, these are the same people who told us the Clintons personally flew drugs in to a remote airfield in Arkansas for years, and murdered dozens of people, and if only someone investigated it would be proven.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

Hey, don’t forget the anthrax bioweapon attacks that came AFTER 9/11!!!

So, they “kept us safe”!!!…except for 9/11….and the anthrax…


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

Mr. Dobbs:
The birth certificate on file does not mean he was born in Hawaii, it means the way it is given to us in this plain form that he was recorded to be brithed there or possibly birthed out of the country. The short form used is not a regular birth certificate, it is a colb that does not even come close to other birth certificates with the Dr's name, birth weight, etc. etc. The one you see on line was also given to children who were birthed out of the country and recorded in Hawaii. It did not mean they were born there, just that their birth was recorded there. That was the was Hawaii did their birth certificates. But, there were two types done. One was a regular birth certificate, with all the recorded information on it that we are wanting to see, the other is one done for children that were born out of the country and recorded in Hawaii as just born. If he would produce the long form birth certificate, like I have and others have, then I will call him President. Until then he is a usuper to me. Also his records from school would show how he received his grants for school. If they were as a foreign aid student then guess what, he is not even a citizen of the United States of America. I can't believe all these years we have gone on an honor system when it has become clear to many of us that the government has become so greedy that with them their is not honor anymore. It is MONEY!!! The TV stations and papers and such should be ashamed of themselves for not being fair in any of this controversy. Same with how they have just bowed down to the so called Messiah, that the journalists begin reporting news the way it is supposed to be with integrity not with what they want. What is wrong with you people? Proof!!!! Real Proof!!!! Not this so called doctored up proof that is not even legit to get some jobs.


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

—The birth certificate on file does not mean he was born in Hawaii—

It is a legal document, certified by the state of Hawaii that he was indeed born in Honolulu.

Why is that so hard for you to accept?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

Clearly you have this backwards.

Obama produced a BC. It’s you who refuse to accept it, so doesn’t that make you the birthcertificateophobe?


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

—The short form used is not a regular birth certificate, —

Yes it is.

First there is no “Short form” or “long form” in Hawaii.

In 2001, Hawaii went paperless with their birth certificate data.

If you request a copy of your birth certificate, you will receive a certified COLB just like President Obama did in 2007.

no matter when you were born, all BCs issued by the state today look the same. They follow the COLB format.

ALL means ALL.

What part of this do you fail to understand?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Going paperless means, they filed the paper away in storage, but before it is put in storage it is recorded to mean paperless. You should still be able to get an original copy of the complete certificate no matter what. They would just have to go pull it out of storage.


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:31 pm

—The one you see on line was also given to children who were birthed out of the country and recorded in Hawaii. It did not mean they were born there, just that their birth was recorded there.—-

In such cases the record lists the actual place of birth.

President Obama's records indicate that he was born in Honolulu.

Are you claiming that Honolulu is not part of the U.S.?


Prefabfan
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

You pack a lot of baggage with Obama's having been Ivy League educated. No one I know calls him a prick. He is the epitome of a self made man.
The on and off black accent truly bothers me, but I know the sizzle from the steak, and this gentlemen is truly light years ahead of the jackass we had, aka The Decider. Before we judge him, we should ask black people what they think about the on and off accent.


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

At least John McCain went in front of the Senate committee to decide that he is a citizen that was born on US soil being that his parents were military and born in a military hospital! He had the guts to go in front of a hearing to decide. Where did the messiah (Obama) even think of doing that? Obama promised to take the same monies as John McCain and not take private money from lets say Mickey Mouse and people like that, but when Obama found out his birth certificate and such would be checked he bowed out of his commitement to do that and went with ACORN and Mickey Mouse and such. He did not have to prove he was even a citizen which John McCain did! As far as Sarah Palin, you people should fear her, she could be your next honest President like Ronald Reagan was. Sarah is a force not to be reconed with. She is one Smart Lady and classy too. She stepped down from Governor only to save her state the money it has been costing the state to defend her and her family on frivolous lawsuits. I give her credit! She thought of her state first! Plus she is around $500K in debt because of nuts that are suing her over suck stupid things it is not even funny.
Obama is not my President until I see a realy long for Birth Certificate! What did you think when one suit in front of the Supreme Court was coming up, that Obama went and talked to several of the Judges prior to the hearing that was set to come up on him. Oh, that's right the paperwork disapeared. Also what he did was hight illegal. Everything they have done from pushing through bailouts without anyone getting a chance to read them or discuss them to sneaking in a bill the other day with our service mens bill to put some money somewhere else also. What crooks. Your have Chicago Politics in there, believe me I know what I am talking about with them. Crooks all of them. They got in there and hopefully the honest people will get them out soon or put them up on conspiracy charges to get an unqualified person elected!!!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

I can assure you that I am neither delusional nor impervious to facts, law, and truth. What do you think will happen when it becomes clear that Obama and all his minions are lying and covering up the lies? Remember Watergate? At the very least, he will be forced to resign from the post he should never have had in the first place. This won’t go away like it did for Clinton when he was getting his blow jobs in the oval office. This is much more serious if it turns out like I suspect it will. So, enough of the name calling. I want to be civil but it is difficult to do when people attack personally instead of debating facts. Why does it always have to end this way?


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

Couldn't have said it better myself. Even Mickey Mouse would have to agree.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

It was never Dumbya’s flying that bothered me….it was his desertion during time of war.

I was on flying status for 13 years. Failing to report for a scheduled flight physical without a damn good reason was a punishable offense. One of the few documents Dumbya failed to keep sealed was the order removing him from flight status for failure to complete his flight physical. So there is no debate he was pulled from flying duties for failing to obey orders (being scheduled to take a FP is an order).

His TANG requirements were not over then, not even close! Yet, without permission, he took off to Alabama to help some GOPer election. After the fact, he was transferred to an AL non-flying ANG unit. Except officers at that unit are universal in saying none ever saw him or met him, not once. So its a safe bet, since they were expecting him and looking for him, that he failed to show up there, too.

He returned to TX, but never flew again, and there is no evidence he actually rejoined his unit.
Finally, he put in for assignment to MA, so he could attend Harvard;’s MBA program. The official records ordered him to join an MA ANG unit to complete his obligated time there. Again, no records exist he ever joined any unit. A year or two later, an honorable discharge form was issued.

But he deserted, plain and simple…


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

Next election is not in 2017, It is in 2012. Don't think this usuper is going to get another chance to turn us into a state of more confusion. The rest of us are starting to stand up and be noticed now with TEA PARTIES! They are the beginning of the end of the mess the government has made of this Once Great Nation!!! We will be Great Again!!! We the people are standing up and starting to be counted.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

That’s chains, Chains we can depend on!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

I would have to go back on hours of tape, not worth it for you.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

I would have to go back on hours of tape, not worth it for you.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

alferd, you sound like a scratched vinyl record. COLB is legal, COLB is legal COLB is legal — Not for proving Natural Born Status. Not enough information provided.


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

I am saying if he was really born there, not just a recorded birth there, then pull out the certificate! There are too many things that have not made sense, His grandmother seeing him born, funny she never left Kenya. The President of Kenya first saying yes , we have made a shrine where he was born, other things such as why not show you school records instead of locking them up and spending close to a million to keep everything locked up. There is too much fishy fishy here not to be questioned. I would have not trouble letting anyone see any records of mine if I were running for office. Even the ones I am not proud of .


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

did you know the colb that he has shown is not even used in some jobs in
Hawaii. They are not legal, they still need the long form.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

There is no definition of “natural born citizen” anywhere in the US Constitution, nor has the Supreme Court ever supplied one.

But I notice Chester Arthur was born in the U.S. (like Obama) of an American citizen mother (like Obama) and a foreign citizen father (like Obama). His father was Irish (or, at the time, a British citizen). Hence, he too would have had dual-citizenship when born.

He was President.

Hence, the precedent is, at least for the arguments I’ve seen here, Obama is a “natural born citizen” by precedent and definition.
Only if it could be proven Obama were born outside the U.S. would there be a case to be made, but again, the evidence is overwhelming that he was born in Honolulu. There are still living witnesses who confirm his mother was living there just days prior to birth, and confirm he was brought home from the hospital in a couple of days. There was a birth postiing in the newspaper contemporaneously, confirming his birth in Honolulu. The state of Hawaii has formally and officially confirmed there are birth records proving he was born in Honolulu (and they are NOT required to make them public to satisfy Birfers).

In short, all available proof is he is a natural born American citizen.

At this point, ALL requirement is on the Birfers to provide EVIDENCE to the contrary. Insisting Obama hasn’t met their arbitrary and illegal standards of evidence isn’t proof. The obligation is on them.

Put up or shut up!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

Look. Enough talk. It's a waste of time. It's real simple. Here are some pictures for those of you who lack English composition, reading and speaking skills.

Google “Hawaiian birth certificate”. Click on images. Click onto the one that says: buenavistamall.com.

I know. Seems like a lot of trouble but stay with me on this. A picture is worth a thousand words.

What you will see is that fake Certification of Live Birth from factcheck and just below it is another image of a real birth certificate called a CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH. Notice the different terminology and the different form of the two documents. The former (first one) is that alleged 2007 computer-generated thing saying that there is some birth record somewhere but it appears to be counterfeit. The latter (second one) is an original long form from the year 1963. Obama hasn't produced one of these. GOT IT?

So all you liberal drama queens need to take a look at that. Call it (and me) whatever you like but the truth remains that Obama has never shown his copy of the second type of form. If so, please tell me where I can go online and take a look at THAT one. “Factcheck”? No, they don't have it. SNOPES? No, sorry fresh out of long forms for Obama! “Fight the Smears”? No, they're scrubbed completely now. So where is Obamas version of the long one? One Executive Order would get it released! All he has to do is say, make it so NO. 1!. What? He doesn't have the power to make Hawaii give him a copy of his original? How so? He has probably already had his secret service goons over there to seize everything in their vaults anyway. Oh, and Alferd, I know you will ask: So how is it that the Hawaiian officials would go along with something like that? My answer in advance is: Easy, they have been threatened, intimidated, and terrorized into going along with whatever the Obama goons have told them to.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Just as an aside, why shouldn’t Obama be above the law? Bush was…

He has admitted violating bunches of laws (torture of prisoners, illegal spying on Americans in violation of FISA, etc.). Thus far, we can’t even get a criminal investigation, as required by law and Constitution.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

Isn't it time for your banana break?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

A fairly common sight in any courtroom in America. I'm sort of jaded by it now.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

OOOHH, I guess she told us!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

Give it up ALF! It's over. You are losing. Get used to it!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

All it will take is ONE JUDGE to order discovery. And he will be DONE. Impeachment time.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

If it is real. It isn't real. It is a forgery. It is an alleged “certification” and not a “certificate”. But you already know that. Don't you.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

Shouldn't it be ZERO instead of ZORRO?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

Actually, many are officers, many enlisted. Many are retired, many are active duty. Seems the active duty are more offended than the retired, probably because they view him as abusing the system for personal and political purposes, while cloaking it in some sort of “patriotic” cause.

And who is Mr Soetoro. I thought we were talking about the President of the United States, Barack Obama?

My guess is the Pentagon will prefer to just dump Cook as quickly as they can, thought clearly a court-martial is appropriate.
And if Ms Taitz continues, I suspect eventually she will be disbarred, as its a criminal offense to knowingly misuse the system for personal and political purposes.


Name
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

Randwulf ,

It's real simple, you lack English composition, reading and speaking skills.

The state of Hawaii completely stopped issuing the long form in 2001. They started the process clear back in the 1980s.

President Obama got his certified copy in 2007 – no way he could get one that looks like the one you are pointing to.

Some of the other states that ONLY issue the “short form”: Washington, Ohio, Missouri, Arizona for births after 1989.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

My people didn't come over the Atlantic until 1900, so I've got no dog in this hunt, alfie.

Read Thomas Sowell's *Ethnic America* for a notion of how Italian-American immigrants had no problem whatsoever with their Moolie neighbors. The crackers Down South had to take my ancestors aside -

(( “Guido, y'all are nice people, but ya gotta get yo' head around the idea that them nigras live AMONG us White folk, but not WITH us…” ))

- and explain to them about the “separate but equal” fiction and all those Jim Crow laws.

People from Sicily and the Campagnia just didn't understand the i muligniani were supposed to be treated – er – *differently*.

Ever see that big, gaudy movie *Spartacus*, alferd?

That's the southern Italian's version of *Roots*.

Back during the time of the Roman Empire, southern Italy – especially Sicily – consisted almost entirely of slave-worked latifundia. Most of the people living there were chattel slaves, and their lives weren't much different as serfs under feudalism.

My people have spent a HELLUVA lot more centuries in slavery than the American Blacks have, so you just va fa'anculo, okay?


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

He wasn't born in a military hospital. The base hospital wasn't done for three years after his birth.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

Son, you haven't SEEN “a legal document.” The only people outside of the Obama campaign who claim to have seen a print-on-paper, signed and sealed version of Barry's alleged Hawaii COLB are those decidedly Obamaphilic ex-J-school graduates at the left-leaning Annenberg Foundation's FactCheck fraudulency.

What you (and everyone else who doesn't worship the water your Messiah walks upon) have seen is a computer-generated graphic image of what is purported to have been a scan of what was said to be “a legal document,” and the fingerprints of alteration are all to hellangone over that image.

Why is that so hard for you to accept?


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:52 pm

You flipping moron. The short form is indeed the legal birth certificate, no matter how badly you need to have someone pound it into your empty skull.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

Honolulu? Nope. The very reasonable suspicion is that the only element of “President Obama's records” – if you can call a much-redacted JPG image “verified” by no one more impartial and competent than the clowns at FactCheck.org – isn't any more a proof that trustworthy documentation exists than the images on my grandson's TV screen when he's playing Lego Star Wars are proof that he's a Jedi knight.

“Grandpop, looka my light saber!”

Yeah, sure, kid. You git them robots.

What kind of blunt object needs to be slammed down on your skull to pound home the fact that what you've got of “President Obama's records” anent his “natural-born” citizen status is about as firmly rooted in reality as your other masturbation fantasies?


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

Thats easy. Its a matter of fact that McCain was not born on US soil. Its a matter of fact that Barack Obama WAS born on US soil.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Self-made? Yeah? Let's see, he goes to the most exclusive and expensive prep school in Hawaii – look up “Punahau School” – and gets some kind of free ride at Occidental College on the mainland (and because those records are sealed, we've got no idea of what sort of financial assistance he applied for, or on what grounds the applications were granted), after two years he heads east to Columbia University (where his grades have been reported as inadequate to get him into Enormous State University School of Shysterism, much less Harvard Law – but, hey, he's got THOSE academic records sealed, too), gets into law school at the prestigious Ivy League Cambridge campus of Patrice Lumumba University (and, hey nonny, nobody is allowed to look at THOSE records, either!), all the while pretty obviously enjoying “influence” and favoritism every step of the way….

Oh, yeah. He is SUCH a “self made man,” isn't he?

Given that you're among the cadre of the terminally gullible who obviously worship the water your Messiah walks upon, wouldn't you like to know just EVERYTHING about Barry-boy? Wouldn't you like confirmation of every last tedious detail in his self-serving works of autobiographical propaganda?

(( I love autobiographies. My favorite kind of fiction. ))

And anent your remarks on Dubbya…. Jeez, I'm sorry. Have you mistaken me for a REPUBLICAN? Aw, how cute.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

You mean other than the fact that he didn't?


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

Actually the question is more
Were the birthers born clinically brain damaged and incapable of comprehending reality or was it due to massive drug abuse or something?


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Yeah, why can't we pretend that your stupid, baseless accusations are deserving of being treated like they have validity simply because they don't?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

Alright. So when was Obama born? Wasn't it 1961? What did the birth certificates look like in 1961? He mentions in one of his books I believe that he had a birth certificate way back when. What do you suppose that one looked like? Did he lose it? Did the State of Hawaii go back and destroy all the “paper” originals when they went “paperless” in 2001? If they retained all their old paper certificates, shouldn't they still have them in their vault files? Do you think the “president” would be able to obtain a copy of the original paper one like the one I mention in my posting below, if he were to ask for it? Would they make an exception for him and photocopy it for him?

My point is this. Unless they DESTROYED all the originals and any photocopies of originals, then they must still be retained by the records office. Has anyone in Hawaii ever stated that all the paper records were destroyed? Why would they do that anyway? Going paperless in 2001 becomes a moot point and has nothing to do with policies in 1961. Do you know what moot means?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

The 1961 document is now a historical document under the Freedom of Information Act. Any American should be able to get a copy, simply by paying for the postage and copy costs. Andy Martin has already paid the fees but has yet to receive the documents. Why are there people that don't want to see the truth? They must know that the truth will destroy a Dream of theirs. A Communist America. The rest of us need to fight for the truth any way we can. Major Cook tried and got fired from his civilian job under the pressure of the DOD. Is this the America you want to live in? 1984 was 25 years early. If this chain of events doesn't scare you, you are not paying attention or you are on the side of the enemy.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

Will someone born in Hawaii in the 1960's please go down to the records office with your $12 and ask the officials there to go back into the vault, pull your original birth certificate and make a photocopy of it for you, and then sign it, stamp it and hand it to you? You can then black out all the personal information and scan or photograph it and post it on the web just to show it can be done. I live in Colorado. But if I were a Hawaiian, I would have already done this myself. I can't think of a better way to prove this point. Point being, it just isn't that difficult to do. And then, just for $hits and giggles, do the same thing for one of your grandchildren, just to show that there ARE forms with more birth information in them available from the State of Hawaii. And by the way, the term COLB is misleading because it could mean the “Certificate of Live Birth” or “Certification of Live Birth” And the latter, is just about useless when it comes to providing documentation or testimony of anything. Pathetic. Only bureaucrats could have come up with something as freaking stupid as a form like the one Obama has “produced”.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

I agree with you 100% on everything you just wrote. We need people on the ground in Hawaii, asking simple questions like “Can I get a copy of my original paper long form birth certificate from you if I pay an extra photocopy fee?” “If not, why not?” and “You do still retain the paper original of my BC in you files, don't you?” and “if not, what happened to them and when?” and “Can I see a copy of my child's hospital generated birth certificate on file with the State of Hawaii so that I can see what information it contains?”

The office of vital statistics employees are “public servants” and as such should be bound to answer such simple and basic questions and should be bound BY LAW to provide any person with exact photocopies of any and all records being held by the state pertaining to that individual. So where are our Hawaiian friends and why are they doing nothing? If all the originals have recently been removed and eliminated, I would just have to say: How conveeeeeeenient.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

Why don't you just pound sand up your own ass? It might improve your thinking.


stop7997
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Because he was BORN in the United States (Hawaii is a state), that makes him a natural BORN citizen. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that says ANYTHING about a citizen’s parentage.


stop7997
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Because he was BORN in the United States (Hawaii is a state), that makes him a natural BORN citizen. There is NOTHING in the Constitution that says ANYTHING about a citizen’s parentage.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

I wonder if you get this upset about all the criminal monkey-business being carried on by ACORN all these years.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

alferd, again, how do you know what the vault copy states? Have you seen it? If you have, enlighten us all. All we have seen is fake computer generated copies of worthless generalities that prove nothing in the quest to prove whether on not Obama is a Natural Born American. Even if it is proven he was born in Hawaii (which I doubt) his father was not an American Citizen then or now. With a foreigner for a parent and being born a British Citizen he can't be Natural Born. This is not complicated! It's been the elephant hiding in the small room for well over a year. Parents (that means both -note the “s”) that are American Citizens and born on American soil. That is Natural Born. Something Obama is not!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

As I’ve said before, I’m not a Republican and was never in favor of sending troops anywhere. Comprende Usted?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

As I’ve said before, I’m not a Republican and was never in favor of sending troops anywhere. Comprende Usted?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

Man with nothing to hide, hides nothing.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

No, I haven’t lost the battle. I chose this particular one to fight right now and I will stick with it until there is some kind of final outcome. Then I’ll find another one worthy of the time and effort.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Trying to be President make one special. Special people get special treatment! “IF” Obama wanted that 1961 vault copy released instead of guarded under lock and key, it would be in his hand in minutes. He doesn't want it released! Therefore there is SOMETHING on the long form that he doesn't want us to see. Thus America has to view this mystery to know the truth.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

Actually Impeachment will not be necessary. He will never have been President therefore he can not be Impeached. Federal Marshals will simply chain his wrists together and drag him out of Our White House. Chains we can depend on.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

Could it be because it is BS!?


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

—how do you know what the vault copy states?—

Simple. It states exactly what the official, state issued, certified copy of it states.

What part of “certified copy” don't you understand????


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

Then why does the official, state certified copy state that he was born in Honolulu?

Is the State of Hawaii lying?


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

—then pull out the certificate! —

He did, and it states that he was born in Honolulu.

That is the whole point of a certified copy.


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Nope, the president is the same under the law as you or me.

That is what makes this country so great.

We did away with “special” leaders over 200 years ago.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

“Obama haters” NO! Lovers of America! Seems Obots hate the real America, and love their Communist inspired New Omerica.


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Did you know that you are wrong?

the COLB is the official state form of the birth certificate.

It is valid for ALL repeat ALL purposes that require a birth certificate.


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

If that were the case, then why haven't Hawaii's REPUBLICAN governor and her REPUBLICAN Attorney General prosecuted Obama for fraud?

WHY?

You won't answer that, I know.


alferd
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

So, what, do you want Obama to visit your house and show it to you?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Wonder what he MainStreamMedia morons will do then? They have never seen fit not to pick up this whole issue or to touch it with the proverbial 10 foot pole and then suddenly, their Obamesiah is being led away in those “Chains you can depend on”. WOOPS, How'd we miss that? Film at 11!! I love it.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Jimmy, what the H has this rant got to do with our illegal President? George is now with us in Dallas and having a grand time so long as our Police can keep that crazy “B” Shehan in jail. George kept us safe for 7 years and governed well until the last 2 years when the Communist crazies took over and started this spiral down the hole. Deal with today!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

How has everyone seen that one photo of Pat on the stairs with his shoe box? Not much to see really, but everyone seems to have seen “it”.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

Yes, I believe they are lying!! They lie about a lot of things pertaining to how the whole birth certificate deal works. But don't worry. We are going to get it all straightened out and put the bright light of a new day all over all of it. I can assure you. There will be some embarrassed people in Hawaiian government when that has been done. Book em Danno!


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

BWAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Randwulf, I think that word “losing” does not mean what you think it does.

Every birfoon case has been dismissed, Obama is and will remain President.

Please look up the word “lose” in the dictionary, it seems much more applicable to the birfoons…see?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

BWAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…

Good luck with that plan….

Are you off your meds, or just mentally challenged in some way?

DELUSIONAL.


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Then why is it not accepted on some of the actual state jobs in Hawaii and
other states of the US . We are talking about the Us. The colb is not
accepted at all jobs at all. Not even in Hawaii


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

I have looked at it. looked at my daughters, looked at my old one, and I am
old, my daughter is young. Not even close to the information needed on a BC.


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Oh, by the way, the first copy they had on the site, which I remember, did
not even have a STAMP on it. After it was raised question on the stamp all
of a sudden the stamp appeared. Mysteriously. HMMMMMM Magic!!
And I know it was not there. My eyes still see very good.


Prefabfan
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

You turn ignorance into “proof of”..something. You brag about not knowing if he got financial aid to go to school as though that is proof he is not self made. Student loans he MAY HAVE GOTTEN, you don't know, that he paid back are a self made man. Got into Harvard Law School is now proof he is not a self made man? Up is now down.
Who is responsible for his success? Pat Buchanan? White men? When you got facts in your argument gun instead of questions, you may have a point.


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Have you ever looked up his Senate record? Bet not. I did. I saw everything
he ever voted on which was not much and everything he did vote on such as
killing infants in the womb that were just aborted on the table at 7 months
alive and he said leave them there without any attention and then throw them
in the garbage can. That's who you elected. And I am pro choice. But not
that pro choice. That is down right murder.


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

Now why would you go and spoil an intelligent conversation with such poor
language. That shows real education, now doesn't it.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

I'll answer it. She is a closet lib! She was threatened! She is scared of being labeled a “racist” if she does anything to expose Obama as a usurper! Take your pick. Could be any. Could be all. Could be something else. I would like to hear someone in Hawaiian government say exactly what hospital he was born in and the name of the attending physician. Then we have at least a place to start a real investigation. We may yet see some charges of fraud come out of this. I hope so. In the meantime, here are some questions for you.
What word do you think the C in COLB stands for? In 1961? In 2007?
What did a COLB look like in 1961 as opposed to 2007 and how did Obama get along without one for all those years before 2007? And if you say he had one at some point, what did IT look like? Did Hawaii destroy all the old paper original stuff in 2001? What is the records departments policy on making copies of vital statistic records for people who request them? Do you know? Can you find out for us since you are such an expert on Hawaiian vital statistic documentation?

Ah yes, questions and more questions. Feel like calling me names yet?


neliberal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Care to cite who and where, so they can be reported to the State of Hawaii for violating state law?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

How is it the birfoons are so wholly and completely disconnected from reality? How is it they continue to believe the absurd drivel that their con-artist leaders sell them, while forking over their money to support this idiot cause?

Birfoons, you have been duped, bamboozled, fleeced. There is only ONE way to remove a sitting president…impeachment. THAT IS IT! Oh, I know, I know…you believe in some warped delusional part of your mind that once your savior Orly Taitz proves he is ineligible in some court he will be dragged away in handcuffs.

Funny thing, Orly keeps getting every case she files dismissed…hmmm. Funny that, every Congress member you have written to has politely told you to essentially STFU. Funny that, Obama is running the Country, sitting in the Oval Office, meeting with foreign leaders, signing bills into law, issuing executive orders, and, beyond your tiny fringe group of delusional loonies, NO ONE is questioning his legitimacy. NO ONE. Or, maybe I should say, NO ONE that MATTERS is questioning his legitimacy…see, your rantings and ravings don't MATTER…in the eyes of the vast majority of the nation you are an illegitimate fringe hate-group of delusional wackos.

When will you realize the HOPELESSNESS of your idiot cause? You guys are a JOKE. And, now, with the recent involvement of military members, your cause is becoming a total disgrace, providing aid and comfort to the enemies of the USA in a time of war. SHAMEFUL.

Do you all know that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over (like filing frivolous lawsuit after frivolous lawsuit) and expecting different results? You guys are nuts. Seek some professional help…please.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

Oh good. That is a very intelligent response. What meds do you take with you Kool Aid bitch? I'll just play by your rules whenever you post. Here we go. Ready? You are stupid, kooky, deranged, delusional and otherwise mentally and emotionally f@cked up and therefore we don't have to listen to you. Like SHUT UP and stuff. There. Happy?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

Well, I think its about time we did away with some “special” leaders again. What makes this country great is that most of the populous is still armed and could do it if things don't get done right.


neliberal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

Which effectively ends this discussion right here, because (as someone posted to you last night), you're a conspiracy nut. And even if EVERYTHING you're demanding were produced, you would simply proclaim its all faked, forgeries, threats, political pressure, yadda, yadda yadda, in support of your wingnut claim.

Plain and simple, while you try to pretend you're “only being reasonable” the truth is youre not reasonable. You've decided Obama isn't an American, and you've decided NOTHING can or will prove otherwise.

So the debate is a waste. You can't and won't accept ANY evidence to the contrary. We've now hit the abortion debate status (a baby is an egg from the moment of conception, yes it is/no it ain't), in which the two sides are diametrically opposed and will NEVER agree.

So both sides have staked out their positions and further endless repetition of position is pointless.

You keep filing lawsuits.

You'll keep getting laughed out of court.

We'll keep laughing our a$$'s off every time!


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

Randwulf…I gave up reasoning with you birfoons long ago. It is abundantly clear you are all delusional and impervious to facts, law and truth. This is clearly demonstrated by the post I responded to, wherein one of your birfoons cohorts is under the deluded impression that Obama will be dragged away in handcuffs…RIGHT! DELUSIONAL. See?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

If even ONE case gets as far as discovery, it will be over for Obama. Just ONE. Can ya dig it?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

We seem to keep you busy defending your Idol! What's your story?


neliberal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

For purposes of LEGAL, a birth certificate is legal if the state of Hawaii says it's legal.

And the short form (now, the ONLY form) is, per the state government of Hawaii, the legal birth certificate. That's been established repeatedly.

Hence, argument over. You lose. Law is satisfied, as is the Constitution. You can whine all you like, file all the lawsuits you like, get laughed out of court for years to come (I console myself by thinking of all the money going to waste that isn't being used against Democrats).

Why is that so hard for YOU to accept?


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

the site states they have certified they have a copy of his birth cert, but not where he was really born. It was generated in Hawaii that's all. Certain drawers contain certain birth certs. The ones that only have min information are usually born out of the country. They don't have a long birth cert. They only have a short colb. The one on line like I said before the first one put on line did not even have a seal on it until people griped about it, then suddenly , magic, it had a seal.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

“Did Hawaii destroy all the old paper original stuff in 2001?”
———————————-
YES. THAT IS WHAT “GOING PAPERLESS” MEANS. YES. YES. YES.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

Tell them while they are there to go to 'both” hospitals and ask them for birth information on August 4 1961 for Barack Hussein Obama, AKA Barack Hussein Dunham, or any half black half white baby born on that date. Should be fairly easy to remember for anyone there, as his daddy was probably the only black person in Hawaii in 1961. Something they would not forget and as of yet no one has come forward and said they were there when this cute little dark baby was born. This birth would have been talked about in 1961.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Can you dig it, no case will. Go research standing, then, when you are through with that, go reserch “political question doctrine” then when you are done with that, take a look at the Federal Rules of Evidence (“FRE”) 902. Even if you got to discovery (you won't), the COLB is prima facie, self-authenticating (see FRE 902) evidence of fact of birth. And the birfoons have not ONE piece of admissible evidence with which to challenge its validity. So, even on the insane chance this reached discovery (again, it won't ,BTW) you birfoons lose.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

Can ya dig that, can ya?

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha

You guys are soooooo amusing.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

I am just astounded by the level of delusion you birfoons operate under…it amuses the hell outta me.


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

not just impeachment! Treason!!! Not only for him but for all the people that have had a part of the coverup. It will be worse than Watergate or any of the others.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Either present something of an argument in lieu of your insults and name calling or shut the f@ck up! Ok? Tell me why some people are carrying around the long form of birth certificate while Obama born in the same time period can not produce one. And since when do you lefties care about the health of the military or how politics at home could adversely affect their ability to fight the war successfully?

My earliest recollection of left wing liberal types being concerned about the military was of a bunch of dirty, drug soaked, long haired, Hippie f@cks rioting in the streets, spitting on men in uniform, burning flags and bad mouthing their country! Jane Fonda was their f@cking b1tch poster child and our military men in Hanoi prisons were being tortured for not talking to her lying whore ass while she sucked up to the commies and helped them make anti-American propaganda movies. That is how liberals are concerned about our military, bitch!

So who's the f@cking “JOKE”? So are you a liberal? I'll tell you right now that a hell of a lot more of the “birfoons” who have served in the military than there are anti-”birfoons” who have. Most of you libs are such f@cking pu$$ies that you wouldn't be worth a $hit in combat anyway. So take all your silly f@cking liberal mental disease and shove it up your commie ass. Absurd drivel indeed! We'll see. There is blood in the water.


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Ohhh, I love it when someone with bad language gets it back in their face. If any of you are to be taken seriously you should be at least educated enough to use proper words. Like Randwulf says. Back at you. agree with you Randwulf


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

alferd, who was the attending physician? Which Hospital? Nurses names and witnesses? Weight? Length? Sex? People still alive we can interview. Simple facts, not smoke and mirrors.


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

nope he's not! He has Chicago thugs pulling his strings.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Actually, it might surprise you to know that I am African-American. I’m not a racist. I AM a racialist though. Thanks for looking after us Negroes though. We really appreciate it. I’m a racialist (cowardly I suppose) in that I want what is best for my people without continuing to seem like I feel that it is OWED to me and mine. I don’t know if you can understand that but there it is. Mr. Obama is not making it any easier for those of us who have worked hard to achieve integration into the American mainstream. He needs to be honest. It is so funny how everyone just assumes that because I have a problem with HIM, I must be a raging NEO-NAZI, KKK, “Birther”, One-Toothed, IN-BRED, whatever…..Oh and BTW …Randwulf is the pet name my German ex-wife gave me. I am now married to a beautiful woman of color. She likes the name too. What is YOUR deal?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

You are just a really oh-so-smart, sly bitch, aren't you? Don't worry. ALL government records that could or might have a bearing on a given case will have to be produced if requested by attorney for either party. Civil or criminal. And you're wrong. The one piece we need is in the vault in Hawaii. Or NOT! And if it isn't there, it's absence is EVEN MORE COMPELLING evidence. Roll that up in your brief and sit on it.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Is it at all possible that his very young mother lied about where she was when she gave birth? This island had been a State for less than 2 years in 1961, and was far removed from the American mainland. What rocket scientists do you think they had working in the records hut? It might take real Hawaiians weeks to paddle their dugouts to the city and register their newborns. One 17 year old girl with a new born child in her arms would not be asked any important questions in this still primitive island society. Just one more mouth to feed, stamp it, file it, say how cute it is, have a great life, next!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:40 am

Sir, I am more educated than you and a helluva lot smarter than you. Just as Democrats as a whole are more educated and smarter than Republicans as a whole. Deal with it. Own it. It is written across your forehead. You are the ignorant one.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

Fight the smears scrubbed the sight and the COLB, Why? fear of election fraud? If anybody has Fight the smears on your hard drive copy it to disc for future needs. Please! and Thank you.


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

We are not a joke!!!! You will see as the Tea Parties grow and the people finally speaking up and saying enough is enough will start to kick some rearends. Obama has been living in a lie at the White House. Since when has he even been working? He is going all over with his family and costing the taxpayers more and more. He is there to finish off the bankruptcy of this once fine CHRISTIAN Country!!!We have allowed enough of you jerks to make laws that are for the special few. The line has finally been drawn in the sand, people are starting to cross it and say they have had it with government. Obama made promises to cut government. Hmmmmm! The only place that has grown in the work force is the government while regular people are loosing their jobs left and right. Since when has our Country ever had a CZAR. My goodness that was never done here. Obama is down to a 28% of polulas now. I would say his numbers are dropping fast as people start to wake up and see what he is doing to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!!!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

You ever heard the phrase “it ain't over till the fat lady sings”? Well Rotten Rodham hasn't uttered a note. We've just began to fight.


mrcoldheart
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

If a dirty hippie is your earliest recollection of a liberal then the heroin users down the street are my earliest recollections of a conservative, dimwit.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:49 am

The source is the Contitution art 2 sec1 paragraph 5 the usa does allow persons from foriegn countries to be a “Citizen but not qualifed to run for or hold the office of the president of the USA and the facts states as well his own grandmother and every Kenyan ,and Ghanaian knows and says so in print and tape that he was borned in Mombass,Kenya,so who are you going to believe granny Sara Obama or the lying lips of Barrack Husssein Obama,aka Barry Soetoro,foriegn exchange student that came here on a foriegn student visia.and the frist excutive order he signed was to seal all of his records?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

Daddy “O” was not an American. That has been admitted to by “O” Jr. I think in it's simplest form, this may be all the prof needed to prove “O” Jr. is not Natural Born. We win!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:51 am

typical…

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oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Just like me? OK I want to take out Iran and N. Korea. I'll just issue my executive order! Are the bombers taking off already?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

I get it, you hate Obama, you hate that the left has control, you hate that your side lost. Teabag your butts off, do it every month for all I care…protest is good, it may relieve some of your frustration.

But, for all your screaming and whining, Obama is President, the Dems control the Senate and House, the Republican party is in shambles and your idiot birther movement is doing NOTHING to help rebuild it (and for that, I actually thank you birfoon idiots).

Obama will be reelected in 2012, incumbents rarely lose and he has built a grassroots ground network that is unparalleled in the history of political campaigns (go check out the Organizing for America website *gasp* LOL). So, protest all you like, but, get used to it. Times are a changing, please get out of the way if you can't lend a hand.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Ummm, yup, Obama senior was not an American citizen, and everyone knows it, and, yet, Obama is President. Why? Cause no one who matters cares…it is irrelevant. Get it? Got it? Good.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Oh, and yeah, you ARE a JOKE. There is an entire forum devoted to mocking you guys mercilessly and laughing our heads off every single time you have idiots have yet another epic fail–which is usually a daily occurrence. Go check out politijab.com, you will LOVE it…


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

You will find out , changes are in the wind, big ones. The government has to
change its ways. You may think he will be re elected but he will be taken
off in hand cuffs. So will all of his crook friends. We will make a
difference. There is trouble in the air. It is not the way the US was set up
to be. They have destroyed it. The government has become so corrupt it won't
be tolerated much longer. If we let it continue, we are all in trouble!!!


littlechi
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

They may mock us but they are usually people with little education. Open
your eyes and see what is going on around you. You are totally blind. I feel
for you.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

There's 415 comments right now and this continues, so once again for the new posters;
The Birth Certificate is really not needed to show the usurper is not a legal President.
1. His father was not an American. (that could be all that is needed).
2. Being a Kenyan in 1961 his father was a British Citizen.
3. The British Naturalization Act of 1948 makes baby Obama a British Citizen at his birth.
4. No person born a British Citizen can be considered a Natural Born American.
5. Article 2. Section 1. paragraph 5. of our Constitution has never been changed or amended.
6. It still states a President has to be Natural Born.
7. Like our founding fathers Obama is a British Citizen from birth.
8. Neither are eligible to be President because neither is Natural Born.
9. Our founding fathers added language that allowed them to be President even though they were not Natural Born;” unless you are a Citizen at the adoption of this Constitution”. They were citizens when the Constitution was signed, Obama was not. (that was 222 years ago).
10. Obama can't be Natural Born therefore the Presidency is out of his legal reach.
11. Today we don't have a President. Have not had one for 6 months.
Get used to this Obots this is our future.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Get out of the way??? We are saving America from a Communist invasion! Looks like we are winning too!


happycozy (felicia)
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

“The British Naturalization Act of 1948 makes baby Obama a British Citizen at his birth.”

Since when did the U.S. start recognizing the laws of other nations? We certainly didn't when we tortured detainees in Guantanamo, Iraq, and Afghanistan.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Show me where any person born in America has been denied U.S. Citizenship. That includes babies born to illegal immigrants. Otherwise, STFU.


Daddy Love
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

oldmagicman666

1. Barack Obama was born in Honoulu, Hawaii.
2. U.S. Constitution Article XIV, Section 1 “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

QED


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

I'm waiting, loser! C'mon, just name one person born in the U.S. who has been denied U.S. Citizenship. LMAO.


Daddy Love
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

and

OF COURSE any lawsuit is immediately dismissed when the plaintiffs
- Do not have standing to bring a cause of action
- Possess no evidence of their claim
- Depend exclusively on gaining the courts' permission to demand records in order to INVESTIGATE whether they can obtain evidence to further their case

Yep. It will be dismissed immediately. Every time.

Slightly further, the military will not treat the birther kindly who volunteered to serve in Afghanistan solely to file suit.


Daddy Love
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

and

OF COURSE any lawsuit is immediately dismissed when the plaintiffs
- Do not have standing to bring a cause of action
- Possess no evidence of their claim
- Depend exclusively on gaining the courts' permission to demand records in order to INVESTIGATE whether they can obtain evidence to further their case

Yep. It will be dismissed immediately. Every time.

Slightly further, the military will not treat the birther kindly who volunteered to serve in Afghanistan solely to file suit.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Sorry folks, it looks like Old Magic Man made himself disappear. I guess you could say he “pulled a Palin” or that he is “hiking the Appalachian Trail.”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:11 am

Tsk. Gotta real burr up your butt, con’tcha, chuckles?

Anent our own Enemy Ace (five numbers permanently taken off the BuAer inventory in his career as a Naval Aviator), yeah, the Congress vetted his qualifications to stand as a candidate for the presidency the first time he announced that he was putting his toe in the water. ’96? 2000? Something like that. That’s the legislation to which you’d referred.

As for the rest, haven’t you yet gotten the point?

Well, no. Of course not. You’ve got SO much invested in your Messiah, haven’t you?

Barry’s got to come clean. EVERYTHING. All the sealed records, all the carefully hidden documents, every little fiddlin’ bit.

Jeez, what are you so scared of?

That once your Mahdi reveals himself, he’s going to spend the rest of his life wearing an orange jumpsuit and looking forward to alternate Tuesdays, on which they’ll pipe some light into his cell if he’s behaved himself properly?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

What absolutely perfect nonsense. Do you even know who Jane Fonda is?


runninbear
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

house of cards are starting to crumble under the weight of truth it will collaspe! and Obama is be exposed as the man who wanted to be king so bad he lied ,cheated,to have a job he knew from the beginning he had no rights to?butThe hard money convinced Obama he was an American and Obamas dream was Cindrella of a Half breed borned from a relationship doomed in their time to even dream that a boy from anywhere could become king?but as Hard as it was to lie,cheat,decieve or use everything that the hard money could supply to get him in the white house,They played the old race card and in effect,created the “Reverse Racism that actually got him the job.people bending over backwards to prove Im not a racist,are really?anyone that is asked are you proud to be Blacl


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:17 am

It does NOT disqualify her, see my comment above. Go research the actual freaking controlling LAW here in the US, instead of spouting idiot crap you read on birfoon blogs.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:23 am

Provinical Coast Hospital,in Mombassa,Kenya isn’t a US terroitory? That’s like Obama said we had 57 states in the usa?In fact the Islamic Confedrate States of Islam has 57 states?blame that on the teleprompter?lol,and That wasn’t for Obama’s benefit it was to force him to provide his brith ceritifcate for when he trys to run in 2012?What a bunch of HUEY? heavy hitter wrong on both counts ?


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

Are you proud to be a provincial hillbilly?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:24 am

She is natural born, see my comment with a link to the case law above!


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Go ahead, I'll give you time to look it up. LMAO.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Well, I'm sure that without a birth certificate demonstrating that they were born in the US, they have no legal claim to be citizens or for that matter, to exist technically and legally speaking. They would just be undocumented people.

Further, I'm sure that if you ever present a birth certificate that has been altered or tampered with in any way, it is no longer a valid official document. Nobody outside of Obama's little suck circle has ever actually handled the one they allege to be real. So who knows for sure? But then when it turns out that he has no real proof of US birth anyway, your whole point is lost. He will be just another undocumented illegal alien with no way to prove otherwise.

OK you can start personally attacking ME now. I guess Old Magic Man had to go take a break from the abuse for a while. I'm about ready to do the same.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

We didn't behead them either.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:28 am

He was born in Hawaii, you birfoon.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Hey birthers: do you really want Orly Taitz as your spokesperson? Really? First it was Berg, Martin and Donofrio. Now it’s Taitz. She traveled 15 hours to ask Justice Roberts a rambling, incoherent question at a speech he gave (he took a few questions afterward). He treated her like a loon. The audience chuckled as he cut her off and placated her with a promise to review the stacks of papers she brought. (Yeah, right. How's that working out for you, Orly?) She graduated from on online law school not accredited by the ABA, in the only state which allows graduates of online law schools to take the bar exam (California). Get ready to be disappointed again.Taitz is not your messiah; she's just another crackpot lawyer.


bbl
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

IF you are winning, I wish you many such victories. Bwhahahah


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

So you agree that Old Magic Man was full of it, and if Obama has a legal birth certificate showing he was born in the U.S., he is a natural born citizen, right?


runninbear
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

continued) black or Asian,or like me native American am proud off my race,That doesn't mean Im a racist against anyone,it means Im proud to be AN AMERICAN?and because these people were able to manulate the way Obama got his illegal donations to his campaign and set all thoses records getting from illegal aliens and speical,interst groups like the gays and Lesibans to the foriegn investors who were able to donate with out fear of being discovered,because the safe guards that the “BANKS” uses were disabled by the Obama machine.and to make it worse,I just found out there is no formal vetting of any one who runs or seeks office in the state of ILLINOIS?Do you think Obama just happened to pick Illinois to start his career in?If you do the tooth fairy will be there just give him more time?and Santa didn't forget you!and Transparenticy is a word used to hide behind,to steal your money,and destroy,busniesses,democracies,and our Contitution? how much are you going to say It doesn't matter.Ihave all the change i can afford.taxevaders,Lobbist,people who have speical interst in what they have been put in charge to protect?Now RobertHormant,he and Sach/goldman are the ones who profitted from all this.Check their stocks?See what I and a lot of other people have found out that the govt.forced these companies to take it or get destroyed with the others? When will the American people wake up and see what is happening? We the people are waitting for you to do your duty and see the hand writting on the walls.Are we to be conquered without firing a shot?We are not SOCIALIST,but If obama has his way we will be?


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

Yeah, we took our sweet time when we murdered over 100 prisoners.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/…


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

We're glad you got that off your chest. Now where were we?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:49 am

Oh, I more than “dislike Bush.” Barry isn’t the first (nominal) POTUS to have been channeling Robert Mugabe. Dubbya is right up there.

Unlike most of the Obamaphiles, I don’t “dislike Bush” because of his unconstitutional invasion of Iraq and conquest of the Iraqi Arab Socialist Ba’ath Party. I figured that casus belli was all over the place, “weapons of mass destruction” nonsense aside, and I’ve had no reason to change my opinion in that regard. He was malfeasant in office to the extent that he did not request of the Congress a declaration of war, as the Constitution requires.

The present waffling and posturing of Pellosi et alia notwithstanding, their conduct back in 2003 is ample proof that they’d have gone along with such a request. I’m a stickler for lawful government. The Constitution isn’t perfect, but it beats the hell out of anything Dubbya or his Daddy or Bubba or Barry has ever done.

I do sincerely hate the phoney bastich because of what we’ll laughingly refer to as Dubbya’s “economic policy,” through which he did most royally reach across the aisle to Socialist Party “A” and screw our national economy into the ground like the Oil Patch putz he’s always been.

As for what your Messiah is squirming so weaselishly to avoid disclosing, other candidates do not have his globe-trotting personal and family history. He’s not only of mixed parentage but of decidedly cosmopolitan origin.

When there’s doubt that he lawfully occupies the government office he has usurped, it’s not a mattle of “anyone’s idle curiosity.”

And just what the hell has he got to LOSE by opening up his past history to full examination?

Let’s face it, kid. Barry doesn’t pass the “sniff test” at all. Something reeks about him, and until we’ve dug out the crawl space under his personal billet, I’m entirely unwilling to concede that he’s not perched atop a mound of corpses.


bbl
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

It's not that he can't produce one. It's that he won't. He doesn't have to. You can't make him.

It's a perfect foil, really. At some point, some wayward court may force the issue. Then they will go get the original and all you idiots who have been wasting your breath on this will understand the depth of your folly.

In the mean time, energy that could be used to oppose Obama's agenda is being poured down this rabbit hole. Obama and his supporters are laughing all the way to the State of Hawaii's register's office.

Keep it up silly people. The rest of us appreciate you staying out of the political fights; you know, the ones that actually matter.


bbl
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

Keep harping about Jane Fonda and her actions from 40 years ago. It makes it so much easier to marginalize your perspective.


islandgyal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

Racist White folks just can't get over the fact the non-racist White folks actually had the spine to vote for a BLACK man to be president of the good 'ole U.S.KKK A! Well, folks you all have another 3.5 yrs to go insane, and I really hope that health care reform kicks in – in time to save you all from yourselves.


bbl
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

“Should be fairly easy to remember for anyone there, as his daddy was probably the only black person in Hawaii in 1961.”

That pretty much shows how little you understand. Just because black people were discriminated against, doesn't mean they didn't exist.

But, thanx for the laugh.


runninbear
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

I rather have a hundred like her who have gotten it right,at least she can and does understand the art,2,sec,1 and and I think our “David will kick your Obama Philastine's azz?hey I hope you don't stand to close to the Kenyan when he gets his butt exposed.Everyone from Ghana,to Kenya,is bragging and are publishing Obama's brith place as Provinical Coast Hospital in Mombassa,Kenya? even Wikipedia has changed their web site at least 4 times in the “same day”? Hey Heavy hitter are you ready for a standing 8 count now?or do you still think he will go the distance?That judge open a bleeder on his check and he is starting to hemmoriage?better get stiptic pencil and stop the bleeder we just started the second round,and they have us up by one punch,I hope your boy can come back,and stay for the last round?”DING<DING! DING>DING


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

No, I agree with him. I just said he was probably getting tired of your shit. I know I'm getting tired of it. And, in answer to your other question, if we ever get to see the very document (or at least a good photocopy of it) that the Hawaiian “authorities” say they have personally examined, and it turns out to be a real, original, un-altered, long form with hospital and doctor information with a Hawaiian birthplace cited and a proper serial number, in the right sequence, I will then and only then believe that Obama is a natural born citizen. But I don't think such a document exists at this point. If it did, we would have seen it a long time ago. It is interesting to note that those officials say on one hand that they went “paperless” in 2001 and yet the have held some piece of paper referring to Obama in their hands personally. Doesn't sound paperless to me.


islandgyal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

ROTFLMAO, it must be difficult being a loon and being around sane folks trying to convince them to believe your lunacy, huh? You parents must be soooooo proud. Yup, yup, they did a fantastic job of procreating – producing you – you betcha **wink, wink**

BTW, as long as a person is born on the soil of the United States of America she or he IS a citizen of the Unites States of America regardless where her or his parents were born. I know you loons and the hypocrites a.k.a. republicans are trying their “darndest” to stop that, since it allowed a BLACK man to become president – oooooh jeeeez. You all will go batshyt crazy like the crying psycho Beck on your favorite non-news station FAUX “news”. I wait the day all of you are locked up and out the voting electorate. It can’t come too soon.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

Obama will serve two full terms. The Democratic majority in Congress will grow, thanks to people like you and your idols (Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, Coulter, Buchanan). The more you expose your ignorance, the more you help us. Keep it up!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

That's very interesting. Would you be as upset with Israelis murdering Egyptian officers taken prisoner of war in the 1967 war, the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that same year which killed 34 US Navy officers and men? Did you get all up in arms when South Africa turned over power to the ANC and Whites were murdered wholesale with machetes all over the country for months? Do you remember that? I do. And I don't recall too many liberal Democrat types getting too bent over it. Does it piss you off that the Israelis used white phosphorus on the Palestinian civilian population this last year? It's regrettable that any of the prisoners cited in your posting had to die at all but, who will ever know for sure what went on. Some of our guys went missing and were later found rotting in the desert. Minus heads. So, I guess that's why they say “WAR IS HELL”.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Just illustrating how the Liberal left can flop into the very kind of Fascist book burning behavior they have always claimed to abhor. Yeah, you guys are really concerned about the welfare of the troops. Jeess… tell me another one.


islandgyal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Unfortunately, when and if a long form is produced, these loons will claim it's a FAKE! You can't convince these crazies that the sky is blue, when they are off their meds.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

I think not. It doesn't matter what is done to prove Obama is a natural born citizen, you'll think of some excuse not to believe it. BTW, can you name a single elected official required to produce his “long form” certificate after producing a certified one? Why the different treatment?
Gosh, I'm racking my brain trying to figure it out. What could it be?


islandgyal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

No, no, no, I was laughing with you, until I realized you ARE serious; now I am laughing at you, and I am serious, LMAO.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

Yeah, I see your point. And if WE all go insane, that would mean that the Democrats will get 100% of the popular vote in 2012. How insidious.


islandgyal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

Ooooh, I guess in your world no one “loses” a birth certificate or other important documents unless he plans to fake being a U.S. citizen to run for president and take over the world, uhmmmm.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Obama's goons have probably already been to the Hawaiian records and scrubbed them clean. Just like the “hacking” into the US Passport office and Obamas records last year. They scrubbed anything in the files that would have cast doubt on his “native born” status. Oh and at this point, it's too late to do much about anything else.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

So your argument is that others did it, so it must be OK. We're no better than our enemies, eh? Why do you hate America and what it stands for?

Torture and killing is not OK wherever and whenever it happens. Yeah, I get a little more upset when its being done by our own country, because it puts our soldiers at more risk and it is against the law. As a democratic people we must hold our elected officials responsible.


islandgyal
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Yes, that IS the point; at least you understand and can comprehend some things, even though this was an awfully easy one.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Well, it's obvious that if you are racking your “brain” (whatever), and you can't figure it out, you must be a f@cking IDIOT!


bbl
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

Seems to me that the chicken hawk conservatives who sent thousands of US troops to die for a needles war of choice in Iraq are the only ones who have shown an utter lack of concern for the troops.

But, I suspect, by the content and tone of your previous postings, randwulf, that simple observational facts like this are beyond your comprehension.


bbl
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

The more time we keep you riled up about this meaningless controversy, the less time you have to formulate any functional opposition to the actual policies that our duly elected President is placing into practice.

It is an exercise that is both amusing to us and practical to help bring forth the change that we wish to see in the country.

That's my story.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

. . . while you, sir, are a waste of flesh. You have no rhythm. You are ridiculous and obnoxious. You are the moral equivalent of a leech. You are a living emptiness, a meaningless void. You are sour and senile. You are a disease, a slack-jawed, drooling freak of nature.


bbl
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

Then why bother Randwulf. By your own paranoid accounting, you've already lost this battle.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Actually, dear, the most educated people are Democrats. Remember, we're the “elite” and you, well, you're the party that thinks Sarah Palin is qualified to be President.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108043/Candidate-Sup…


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

How often do you howl at the moon?


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

Why what a convenient justification that prevents you from having to actually explain your complete failure at finding even the most slightly legitimate shred of supporting evidence.


ObummerGirl
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

The only racists around are the racists who voted for Obummer simply because he is part black. Nearly EVERYONE of color voted for this Kenyan born socialist. Why? Because he is dark skinned like them. Wow that's a great qualification. Personally I have zero respect for liberals, I truly believe they all suffer from extremely low IQ's and will stupidly buy into anything. Libtards


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

Tell me more oh enlightened one.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

Hey, don't try to make friends with me!! You're the one that said you were “racking” brain and couldn't figure it out. I just pointed out the obvious reason why you couldn't. That is my answer and I sticking to it. Again, because you are sort of dim, You must be a f@cking idiot.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Hey, I agree. If elected officials break the law, by all means. PROSECUTE THEM! And I mean ANY LAW. They are supposed to be leading by example. When the do something wrong, they need extra harsh punishment. Oh and BTW, I'm not a Republican.


stop7997
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

By all means, let them take it to court. In fact, I strongly every birther to spend every penny you can beg, borrow or steal (I assume none of you can hold down a real job) and every minute of the rest of your lives to take this legal battle as far as you possibly can. Good luck!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

You know. It was always a negative proof scenario anyway. The only reason we don't already have a report of what is or isn't there (Hawaiian records) to prove anything one way or the other is because our “Supreme Cowards” lack the balls to order it done!


stop7997
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

They say that if you put a thousand monkeys in a room with typewriters for long enough that they will eventually end up typing the works of Shakespeare. Well, it ain't Shakespeare, but I see you have managed to string one or two words together into what look like almost coherent sentences. Congratulations! Have a banana.


MYMY
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

This is such nonsense, I don't know why CNN would countenance these bizarre people, the one manifestly off the rails (Keyes, because Obama beat him so soundly once) and Taitz for the publicity and support she'll get from C Street types, I guess. How did Obama get a passport, for one thing, if he didn't satisfy pretty rigorous federal requirements?


runninbear
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

ok one more time?Art,2 sec1 says and even your pal Obama agrees that it says “BOTH PARENTS” are Americans and oops his father was a kenyan,and mother a minor who was unable to confer her citizenship to anyone and she never appiled for citizenship for Barrack Hussein Obama,EVER! so the fact of citizenship falls on his Kenyan father and the laws that state when 2 people of different countries who have a child and the mother is a “MINOR” the citizenship falls on the father?and besides if obama's mother would have to have lived in the united states for at least 5 years after her 14th Brithday which she “NEVER DID”.Shortly after her return to Hawaii and met and “Married LoloSoetoro and moved to Indonesia where Barry Obama became Barry Soetoro “Muslim and citizen of Indonesia?If a pregant woman from Mexico has a baby here the baby will be as of existing immgration laws state is now a “citizen of the US,but try as he may could never be the President of this country,Even when Obama's mother had a chance to register him as a citizen ,she didn't or there would be a paper trail to prove this ?There isn't any?Big SURPRISE huh?lol not for anyone who isn't blind deaf or other wise disavanntaged


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

alferd wrote (way to hellangone down the page):

“Then why does the official, state certified copy state that he was born in Honolulu?”

“Is the State of Hawaii lying?”

Jeez, kid. How many times do you have to read this? You (and nobody else, too) don't HAVE an “official, state certified copy” of any legal document that states that Barry Soetoro or Barack Hussein Obama, or whatever-in-hell he's calling himself now, had been born in Hawaii.

What you've got is a computer-generated image, riddled with indicators that it was clumsily cobbled together from bits and pieces – scanned-in graphic elements – of at least two different Hawaii Certification of Live Birth documents, and then doctored to show that Hussein the Hubshi was born in Honolulu.

The only people who claim publicly ever to have held in their hands a paper copy of such a putative legal document are the clueless, left-leaning, Annenberg Foundation J-school graduates at FactCheck, who – like you, obviously – worship the water their Messiah walks upon.

Hardly impartial. Har-de-har-ingly “nonpartisan.” And competent to evaluate the provenance and validity of such a legal document? Aw, gimme a break alfie!

Have you noticed that the interrogated officers of the government of the state of Hawaii have been treading through this minefield with their eyes bugged out, sweating in terror, and waiting for the moment when they get their balls blown off? They've very carefully said NOTHING about whether that JPG reflects the existence of a COLB they'd issued in 2007. Indeed, we've got one guy (Dr. Alvin Onaka, the Hawaii State Registrar and Head of the Office of Health Status Monitoring) who had said that NOBODY in his department had confirmed that Barry-boy had been issued any such COLB in 2007.

Which is what the Obamaphiles had alleged. Tsk.

All of this could be settled – *res judicata* in shystertalk – if Barry Soetoro would only put what you, alfie, would like to think of as “the originating document” from which that gaudy graphic image was supposedly scanned in June 2008, into the hands of a panel of competent and impartial forensic documents examiners.

Or, better yet, get Dr. Onaka's department in Honolulu to put on public display his original “vault” long-form birth certificate.

Wanna hold your breath until he does that?


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

Actually, I knew the answer; I was just too polite to say it. You are a cowardly racist.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:39 pm

In yet another post, way down below, alferd wrote:

So, what, do you want Obama to visit your house and show it to you?

Oh, hell, no. You think I'd let that sonofabitch into my living room and end the experience without the family dog getting raped?

Besides, do I look like a competent forensic documents examiner to you, alferd?

No, I'd be satisfied if Barry Soetoro were to produce the print-on-paper, stamped and signed document from which that JPG was allegedly scanned back in June 2008, and present it to a panel of experienced, preferably certified forensic documents examiners (you know, the kinds of boffins we see on all those police pornography *CSI* shows) so that they can evaluate its validity and provenance.

While he's at it – hey, he IS usurping the powers of the presidency, right? – he can get the State of Hawaii to disgorge from their archives whatever in hell it is that they claim to hold as supporting evidence sufficient to have issued Barry a COLB (if, indeed, they ever did).

I'd also like him to hand over all his academic records, his medical records (a six-paragraph letter from his family doctor? Aw, ain't that cute?), and all the rest of the paper trail that a Chicago politician like Barry really doesn't want EVER to see the light of day, like a list of the clients he'd served as a practicing attorney, his undergraduate thesis at Columbia, the records detailing his actions as an Illinois state senator – you know.

Everything that every other candidate for the presidency has ever been required or asked to disclose.

Jeez, wouldn't you just LOVE to learn more about your Mahdi?

Or is that “Messiah”?


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

First, I'll ask you what I asked the other guy. Can you name a single elected official required to produce his “long form” certificate? If not, then STFU.
Second, those “forensic experts” who say Obama’s document is phony? There have only been three of them: Two haven’t published their real names or any verifiable credentials (one went by the moniker “TechDude”), and the other merely said that she can’t make a determination of a document’s authenticity based solely on a JPEG.
Third, the certificate is specific about Obama’s birth in Honolulu, down to the 7:24 p.m. time. The birth was announced in the Hunolulu newspaper several days later. So unless someone knew in 1961 that Obama would run for President in 2008, you are a day late and a dollar short.
“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”
Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”


Ken Dunbar
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

When one independently researches this matter, not taking anyone's word as gospel truth.. when one asks and researches for the answer to “What is a natural born citizen?”… one will find that where Obama was born will not make him a natural born citizen of the United States.

He was British born, though his British father, and the British Nationality Act of 1948.

Rather than dismiss what I have presnted here, go and research it. Obma admits his father was the British Barack Obama Sr. Obama admits he was a dual national AT BIRTH.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

No, you and your friends are the only racists around. To say people voted for Obama merely because he is black is to say people would have voted for any black man, including Alan Keyes or Michael Steele. Only an idiot would think that, much less be proud of having the thought and publishing it on a blog. Let me put the pieces to gether for you: You're an idiot.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:51 pm

Show me where any person born in America has been denied U.S. Citizenship. That includes babies born to illegal immigrants. Otherwise, STFU.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Yet again, all the way down the page, Prefabfan wrote:

“You turn ignorance into 'proof of'..something. You brag about not knowing if he got financial aid to go to school as though that is proof he is not self made. Student loans he MAY HAVE GOTTEN, you don't know, that he paid back are a self made man. Got into Harvard Law School is now proof he is not a self made man? Up is now down.

“Who is responsible for his success? Pat Buchanan? White men? When you got facts in your argument gun instead of questions, you may have a point.

Well, you don't know anything about the sciences, either, do you? The start of any scientific inquiry is really the definition of one's ignorance (including a literature search to determine whether any earlier investigator has successfully scoped out the phenomena which caught your attention in the proverbial “Damn. That's funny….” moment that kindles scientific interest.

But the “Damn. That's funny….” phenomenon is the nugget in the pan. That's what twigs the inquiring mind into further investigation.

Now, for the Obamaphile – the starstruck, dizzy, credulous, Messiah-worshiping dimwit who puts his faith and his hope and his trust in a Chicago machine politician because the guy's got a glossy image and a carefully sterilized resume – that impulse to look into screwy phenomena is remarkably absent, particularly if (in what we'll charitably call “his mind”) he harbors the disquieting suspicion that the image isn't what he'd desperately, passionately, lustfully desires it to be.

Jeez, reality is SUCH a bummer, ain't it, kid?

The fact is that Barry Soetoro has carefully, scrupulously, OBVIOUSLY covered his tracks. He's just too friggin' good to be true, isn't he?

Well, son, when something's too good to be true, it almost invariably ain't true.

Nor – as evaluation of Barry's flagrant Kenesian brand of socialism attests, as he's channeling Robert Mugabe – it isn't good, either.

So to understand everything there is to know about Barry Soetoro, I want the slimey sonofabitch to uncork EVERYTHING in his background, most assuredly every damn' bit of what he's struggling and sweating and squirming to hide.

What, you don't want to know EVERYTHING about your Messiah?

Aw, too bad!


runninbear
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

being ignorant is one thing but when you keep dening the facts and all you can come up with is a few three letter words and some silly expression of your own ignorance?You show this by repeating the little names someone has taught you to spell and gave you a computer and you continue to refuse to do the work that I and many,many have found out,what the contitution declares to be.and fyi I am a Democrat and it ain't about color.You seem to buy the lies that we are the racist that Obama has convinced you that you are,in reality it's “reverse racism”and if you would read the reasons that was given is more factual than trying to make us believe “ANYONE BORNED here is an naturalized citizen?Anyone can be “Naturalized through adoption but cannot be Naturalized by BRITH?which is the case of Obama,which disqualifies him to hold the office of the president of the USA?and I can't wait until your Obama man will be facing the very end you hope for the so called brithers who is standing for the Contitution not a half black/half white Kenyan borned ,Indonesian dual citizen,because he knowingly commited a felony when he started his crimmal acts (fyi) Darndest doesn't have 2 d's?lol.and Faux is FOX?but I shouldn't take advanatage of anyone that doesn't have the abilty to procreate the ideals of the depth of the Contitution.Your parents must be proud of their procreated off spring,not being smarter than a 5th grader.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

Flush when you're done.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

As David Horowitz said, You are an “embarrassing and destructive fringe group”, desperately looking for something, anything, to disqualify or discredit Obama. A small, destructive, embarrassing Fringe Group.
article.nationalreview.com/?q=MjQyOTgxM2M0YWMxOTdhZDcwMzlmMDU1ZGYxNzFkMmQ=


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:01 am

Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate has been found.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/4918/colmkbt…


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:03 am

I'm waiting, loser! C'mon, just name one person born in the U.S. who has been denied U.S. Citizenship. LMAO.


GTK
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:04 am

Among the many baffling birther arguments, I've never understood their distinction on location of birth at all. I have two daughters. The oldest was born in the US, which is where my wife and I were born and raised. Our younger was born in Singapore, to which we moved while expecting. She, like her older sister, has the right of US citizenship at birth, but only the process is different. Since her birth certificate is from a Singapore hospital, we had to register her birth with the American embassy. That's it. Her passport lists Singapore as her place of birth, but she is not a naturalized US citizen. I would argue she is a natural born US citizen, just not born on US soil.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:07 am

Fox News Special Bulletin: Lincoln born in Canada, Emancipation Proclamation called null and void! Confederacy wins the war!


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:10 am

Sorry folks, it looks like Ken Dunbar did a post-and-run, which is a form of cowardice. I guess you could say he “pulled a Palin” or that he is “hiking the Appalachian Trail.”


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:10 am

Oh great another Missourian!The show me state.I could show you but the difference is you are refusing to even try to understand the C-O-N-T-U-T-I-T-I-O-N! You can be a citizen but your not a “Naturalized citizen from brith” to hold the office of the president of the USA..I took an oath that you would have the right to say just what you are saying and when Obama gets finished ,you won't have a bucket to piss in or a window to throw it out of! so you stay as ignornat as you please and let some one with a IQ in the double digits do your thinking?so just STFU yourself and let some one do your thinking for you? you seem to like the words comming out of his mouth! The endless rehortic that he has to read from a teleprompter.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:11 am

A single elected official to produce certified proof of his “natural born” citizen status? Yeah. John McCain, the Admiral's little boy.

On to your second point, putzie, which is the purest form of argumentum ad hominem (a logical fallacy; look it up). To what extent does it matter that the observations questioning the validity of the JPG computer graphic image e-mailed by the Obama campaign to DailyKos and FactCheck have been authored by people maintaining their anonymity online?

Are you familiar with pre-revolutionary American history, kid? Ever heard of *Cato's Letters*? Or John Locke's *Two Treatises of Civil Government*? Or *The Federalist Papers*?

Know what they've all got in common?

No? Well, I didn't think so. They were all published either anonymously or under pseudonyms. Pamphleteers among the Levelers in pre-Civil War Britain got caught, tried, and executed for what they'd published, and good old “Honest Abe” in the 19th Century threw hundreds of newspaper editors and writers into military prisons for publishing stuff that he didn't like.

Considering the actions taken by the Obamaphiles to disbar Orly Taitz, I've gotta say that the people publishing their doubts about the Mahdi's legal qualification to hold the office he usurps were wise to keep their heads down. Wouldn't you?

But the question isn't “who wrote this?” It's “what is it that he's written?”

Which, of course, you manifestly DON'T want to ask, do you?

And – of course! – much of this- could be rendered *res judicata* if Barry would begin by just disgorging the print-on-paper legal document from which that stupid, screwed-up, Frankenstein fantasy of a computer graphic image was allegedly scanned back in June 2008.

Wouldn't you like that, putzie?

No?

Oh, well, BIG surprise!


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:12 am

She's not “natural born.” It's an antiquated rule.


steve-o
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:26 am

Oldmagicman wrote: 4. No person born a British Citizen can be considered a Natural Born American.

What is the source for this assertion? There is such a thing as dual citizenship. It is permitted under US law. Without conceding the point, even if Obama was a British citizen through his father, the fact that he was born on US soil makes him a natural-born US citizen.


GTK
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:26 am

She's not naturalized, and she's a US citizen by birth. What does that make her?


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Nice try, assclown. There was no dispute over the place of McCain's birth – - it was the Panama Canal Zone, a U.S. Territory. Congress passed a law to eliminate any doubts about his eligibility for the Presidency (showing the grace which you lack). Your comparison of the phantom forensic specialists to the authors of Cato's Letters, John Two Treatises of Civil Government and The Federalist Papers is a hoot. I hope you've got you tinfoil hat on. Let's see what we have:
- Multiple image analysis experts say that there is no sign of digital manipulation.
- Multiple public records report the same name and age.
- Multiple people with Hawaiian COLBs say that their documents look the same.
- No public authorities have called the COLB a forgery.
. . . but you want to rely on people who won't attch their name to their work? How's that workin' out for ya?
Taitz will be disbarred. From her out-of-court communications with judges to not-so-veiled calls for armed insurrection if the legal process doesn’t eventually get Obama removed (in February, for example, she posted, “The simple fact is that we are long overdue for another Rebellion in this nation, and I heartily endorse the idea of having one again very soon, preferably starting THIS year!”), she is not fit to be a lawyer.


steve-o
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:30 am

oldmagicman wrote: 4. No person born a British Citizen can be considered a Natural Born American.

What is the source for this assertion? There is such a thing as dual citizenship. It is permitted under US law. Even if Obama was a British subject through his father (a point I do not concede), that would not trump the fact that he was born on US soil, thus a US natural-born citizen.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:31 am

Down below, neliberal wrote:

“For purposes of LEGAL, a birth certificate is legal if the state of Hawaii says it's legal.

“And the short form (now, the ONLY form) is, per the state government of Hawaii, the legal birth certificate. That's been established repeatedly.

“Hence, argument over. You lose. Law is satisfied, as is the Constitution. You can whine all you like, file all the lawsuits you like, get laughed out of court for years to come (I console myself by thinking of all the money going to waste that isn't being used against Democrats).

“Why is that so hard for YOU to accept?”

Well, kiddo, for one thing NOBODY (except, possibly, the socialist J-school graduates infesting the Annenberg Foundation's FactCheck Web site) has actually attested to having seen the print-on-paper, signed and stamped Hawaii state Certification of Live Birth which is purported to prove that Barry Soetoro was born in Honolulu instead of Mombasa.

What you've got, little one, is a computer-generated graphic image – a JPG – which was allegedly scanned from such a document by the Obama campaign and e-mailed to two decidedly Obama-friendly Web sites, FactCheck and DailyKos, in June 2008.

That's it. That's the only “proof” offered. Nothing else – except an unsworn online attestation by those left-leaning J-school products at FactCheck that they had held (gasp!) in their very own hands the birth certificate of the Messiah they slobber over. Aw!

Wanna know what that's worth, kid? Zip.

As for what I'd “accept”….

Well, let's start with EVERYTHING. Read my earlier posts; I won't go through the litany again for you. Everything along the lines of what Crash Test Johnnie had to cough up. Barry's academic records, all of which he's maintained “under seal.” His medical records in Kenya.

EVERYTHING.

What, you think I'm not entitled?

Hey, this clown is supposedly the President of these United States. There is reasonable doubt that he's qualified to have run for that office, much less to occupy it.

How the hell are his rights violated if he's obliged to disgorge the information that we've come to expect from every other candidate for that office over the past three decades and more?

Unless you're talking about his Fifth Amendment rights….


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:32 am

I guess it's true “Ignoranance is bliss,but stupidity is,an insult to all the Americans that have died to give you the rights that you are throwing away on some illegall Usurper that has stolen the office of the USA and has alienated our allies,embrassed us to our enemies,to enforcing immagration laws, to stripping us of our God given rights to defend our selves,stripping our freedom of speech, passing laws that make a pastor a felon just because he speaks the words from the good book that our laws have been drafted from?so if anyone is a loser it the American people.I hope you are still LYAO when you no longer have the rights The Contitution has guarnteed us for 200plus years?Then will you refuse to use your skills and intellect,and computer to do what 400,000 americans have done?get the Truth because it says speak the truth and it will set make you FREE,and as a native American and Veteran Ive learned that Freedom IS NOT FREE?and the price you are going to pay for it will be costly to us ALL! semfi? and peace out!


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Just a citizen; not naturalized, not natural born. The only difference is she can't run for President unless the law is changed.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:34 am

You are real big on calling people cowards from the safety of the keyboard in the basement there at ACORN headquarters. How BRAVE of you!! Pussy1


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:35 am

Obama is hiding something. If it isn't his birthplace could it be his father?
Could it be that Obama isn't his father?


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:38 am

It wouldn't matter. His mother was not of age. So if he were born out of this country .
HE WOULD'NT be a citizen.


GTK
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:39 am

Like John McCain, you mean? :-) I realize the rule is antiquated (the wording sounds like it was trying to prevent a modern day Julius Caesar, born by c-section or IVF), but if that overseas birth wasn't disqualifying, why would my daughter's be? The only difference is military or civilian hospital.


steve-o
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Tuci and all you other birthers – guess what – Obama is president and THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT. The Supreme Court has shot you down. Fulminate all you want. You are wrong. You lost.

And BTW, why is Obama the only recent President who's had to prove his citizenship? Why was Bush not obligated to do so? Clinton? Anyone else? Because he is black, or has a foreign-born father? Explain that. Why should there be any more “doubt” about his birth than any other President or candidate? The burden is not on him to prove anything. The burden is on you to prove he is not a citizen — and you all have miserably failed.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Down toward the bottom of the page, neliberal wrote, in response to Tuci78 (unregistered):

“It was never Dumbya's flying that bothered me….it was his desertion during time of war.

“I was on flying status for 13 years. Failing to report for a scheduled flight physical without a damn good reason was a punishable offense. One of the few documents Dumbya failed to keep sealed was the order removing him from flight status for failure to complete his flight physical. So there is no debate he was pulled from flying duties for failing to obey orders (being scheduled to take a FP is an order).

“His TANG requirements were not over then, not even close! Yet, without permission, he took off to Alabama to help some GOPer election. After the fact, he was transferred to an AL non-flying ANG unit. Except officers at that unit are universal in saying none ever saw him or met him, not once. So its a safe bet, since they were expecting him and looking for him, that he failed to show up there, too.

“He returned to TX, but never flew again, and there is no evidence he actually rejoined his unit.

“Finally, he put in for assignment to MA, so he could attend Harvard;'s MBA program. The official records ordered him to join an MA ANG unit to complete his obligated time there. Again, no records exist he ever joined any unit. A year or two later, an honorable discharge form was issued.

“But he deserted, plain and simple…”

Well, great. Is there a statute of limitation on desertion during the time of an undeclared war? I don't know the UCMJ worth a damn, having worn oak leaves on my shoulder boards during my brief stint in what we'll laughingly call “uniform.”

So you just go right ahead and nail old Dubbya. I ain't gonna get in your way.

While you're at it, there's that draft-dodging issue involving Bubba, our Irrumator-in-Chief. You wanna check that out while you're at it?

I've always felt that the nation could benefit greatly if every career politician was held at the muzzle of a shotgun every waking minute of his nefarious little life. The sword of Damocles quit working centuries ago.

Hm. Maybe a kilo of C4 surgically impanted in his abdomen, hooked up to a radio trigger….


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:41 am

What was it than ?
Hope and change?


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Oh I'm sorry Acorn!


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:43 am

Yeah, let's go with that. He can't be a legitimate President, being black and all . . .


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:44 am

Talk about Assclowns!! You are just funnier than an ASSCLOWN on FIRE!

“-Multiple image analysis experts say that there is no sign of digital manipulation.
- Multiple public records report the same name and age.
- Multiple people with Hawaiian COLBs say that their documents look the same.
- No public authorities have called the COLB a forgery.”

You have multiple holes in your head. Name your experts.
That is the same name and age on the Kenyan BC.
Multiple people from the early 1960s have the long forms.
Only the public authorities who have lied about it have seen it!

Oh and shithead, we aren't talking about McCain here in case you haven't noticed. When we see an original BC for Obama (or not) we will know the truth.

This is more f@ckin fun than fishin with dyanmite!! WOOO HOOO!!


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:46 am

He would be a citizen, just not a natural born citizen. Unfortunately for you, he was born in the U.S.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:48 am

Again, down below, we've got neliberal who'd written:

“Actually, many [posting on the military interest online fora] are officers, many enlisted. Many are retired, many are active duty. Seems the active duty are more offended than the retired, probably because they view him as abusing the system for personal and political purposes, while cloaking it in some sort of 'patriotic' cause.

“And who is Mr Soetoro. I thought we were talking about the President of the United States, Barack Obama?

“My guess is the Pentagon will prefer to just dump Cook as quickly as they can, thought clearly a court-martial is appropriate.

“And if Ms Taitz continues, I suspect eventually she will be disbarred, as its a criminal offense to knowingly misuse the system for personal and political purposes.

What, you didn't know what Mrs. Dunham's little grandson, Barry, was called through most of his innocent childhood? “Soetoro.” Jeez, these Obamaphiles are so DENSE….

Oh, the Judge Advocate General is NOT going to get an order to pursue a court martial against Major Cook. Barry and his handlers want this to disappear, not get further tracking in records that he can't “seal.”

And I suspect that Orly Taitz was expecting backlash against her status as a practicing attorney. After all, she's a Russian immigrant. She knows all about how the apparatchiki treat uppety peasants.

I wonder if they're going to go after her real estate license and her license to practice dentistry. I'd really like to see the grounds they might cobble up to pursue that course of revenge against her.


stop7997
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Maybe they can move to Iraq, since things are going so well there since we “liberated” it.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:50 am

(1) He was born in an American territory, subject to American control and
(2) Even so, Congress passed a law for his sole benefit to remove all doubt (just like it would probably do if anyone in your daughter's situation got that close to being a candidate)


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:51 am

For a mere $12.50 he could put this all to rest. Why hasn't he?
Any teenager when apply for a work permit has to provide a long form birth certficate.


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:53 am

It wasn't I that has a lawyer at his heels.
Phil Berg is Hillary's lawyer. See she's just protecting her butt. If he is proven to be a fraud. All those that din't vett him are subject to IMPEACHMENT. Except Hillary, Phil Berg, her lawyer is on the case.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:54 am

Wrong again. You must be used to it by now.
Obama was known as “Barry Obama” to students and faculty when he enrolled at Occidental College. No one there knew him as “Barry Soetoro.” http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/29/local/m…
There is no evidence, anywhere, that Obama was ever adopted by his stepfather, Luis Soetoro. The claim that Obama states in his book that he was adopted by Soetoro is incorrect. Nowhere in his book does Obama say that.


stop7997
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:54 am

Personally, I hope the birthers are successful. Biden was always my first choice for President, and I think Nancy Pelosi would make a GREAT VP.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:57 am

Maybe they can move to Somalia? They seem to hate government in all its forms and want to be able to freely own any and all weapons..perfect fit!


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Ken, you should be required to disclose to everyone that you obtained your legal training in aisle 4 at the Wal-Mart where you work…lest they be confused.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:00 am

you don't know who Mr. Barry Soetoro is?and you voted for this guy?Adopted son of Lolo Soetoro and a citizen of Indonesia,and goverment employee?Has “ANYONE actually researched or read any of his book?I guess that didn't make the paper backs,or the comics?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:02 am

Hm. How do you conjure that I care what David Horowitz might've said? Jeez, I quit subscribing to *National Review* when Nixon closed the gold window in '71.

Why don'tcha just quit thinking of me as a Republican, okay? I'd take infinite delight in seeing Dubbya occupying the cell right next to Barry-boy in Marion, Ohio.

Be nice if they got sequential serial numbers stenciled on their orange jumpsuits, wouldn't it?


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:05 am

Abbypie, where do you get these strange ideas? You need to diversify your news sources. Berg was never Hillary's lawyer; he just supported her campaign. Berg is a crackpot. In December 2001, on the 1st anniversary of the U.S. Supreme Court decision in Bush vs. Gore which “anointed” Bush as President, Berg wrote to three U.S. Supreme Court Justices, Justices O'Connor, Scalia and Thomas requesting that they agree to “Voluntary Disbarment” for failing to “recuse” themselves in said case. Berg also filed a RICO suit against President Bush for his prior knowledge, to prevent or warn of 9-11; and on-going obstruction of justice by covering up the truth of 9-11. “People should go to jail. Treason has occurred. There’s a mob in the White House – and we’re going to get them,” said Berg. When right-wingers fall prey to so many urban myths (e.g., the non-existent “whitey” video), don’t you start to realize you are associating with, and relying upon crackpots? Or is that too much logic for you? In most states, noone has to provide their long form certificate for anything.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:07 am

Y'know, even if all the crap you birfoons say were true (it ain;t, but, let's just prtetend for a moment it were), guess what, NO ONE WHO MATTERS CARES, and NO ONE IS EVER GOING TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.

Obama has been sitting in the White House running the United States for six months and EVERYONE who matters if perfectly OK with that fact. He is signing bills and issuing executive orders and meeting with foreign leaders and nominating justices and judges and giving speeches and flying around in Air Force One and hanging out in the Lincoln bedroom whenever the hell he wants to and, yup, just being President…

You LOST. You will NEVER have a successful legal challenge because you have NO standing to bring suit. YOU LOST.

Whine and complain and rant and rave and scream and yell all you'd like, we will continue to be amused…it is pretty funny. However, know that your whining will NEVER change ANYTHING…

Did I mention…YOU LOST???

Yup, in case you hadn't noticed, YOU LOST.

YES, YOU DID.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:09 am

I want you to prove that?because you can't.besides he had at least 4 names that he has used from the time in Kenya where in his book he says he herded goats,to the time he was adopted,to when he slipped in the foriegn exchange student?and for your infro,out of 400 students that was in his class he can't remember one or they can't remember him?FYI the proof is in his BOOK? he says he was an adopted child?what does it take ?man read his BOOK he admits these things in Dreams of my father?and his Name is spelled LOLO Soetoro,It obivous you haven't read it because you don't even Know what his adopted father did in the Indonesian govt.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:11 am

Think man, think! There is no reasonable doubt. Far-fetched conspiracy theories do not constitute reasonable doubt. Now name one candidate who was forced to produce his long form birth certificate. Just one! I'm waiting . . . . . . . . . . . .
What's that you were saying about what “we've come to expect from every other candidate for that office over the past three decades and more?” You're a liar.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:12 am

Dude, I proved it. I'm the one providing links. You're the one who's just talking out his @ss.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:16 am

Obama’s College friends:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10402…
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/15/polit…


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Its rumored to be Frank Davis alias Ed Greene who had a 3 some with Obama's mother at the age of 13,he writes about it under the name of “ED GREENE,he was a pediofile who claims he didn't want to have her sexuality destroyed for having a crush on him so he decided to help her with her confused mind deal with the rejection of being turned down by a black communist,poet,who was forced to live in Hawaii because of his beliefs and other pratices,doing drugs,ect,hey you can't make this stuff up?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:22 am

hey heavy Hitter for the last time “IT AIN”T ABOUT COLOR ” Obama has you brain washed?Besides hes Half white ain't he?lol,or just when it suits him?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:28 am

Abbypie what he said about no one has to provide your brith ceritifcate for any thing is a Bald faced lie?Hey heavy hitter try getting a license to driver or enroll your kids in any school?The only place you don't have to prove who you are to run for office is Illinos where anyone can say on their own that he or she is a citizen ,because that's how Obama did it?


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:34 am

So you're not a total loss . . .
The only argument you make is that Obama seems like he's hiding something, so there must be something there. (At least now I see why you dislike Bush.) In Obama's case, however, he is being asked to provide things no other candidate or President (including Bush) has had to provide. He doesn't have to satisfy anyone's idle curiosity or allow all the nutjobs to test their conspiracy theories. Why should he?
You see, it doesn't matter how long you rant and rave. It's over. He won. Just deal with it and move on.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:38 am

Which is being sealed by Obama's cousin Ralia Odinga prime minister of Kenya who obtained this position by losing the election and took his followers on a rampage imprisoned 55 penetecoatal parishioners in their own church and burned it to the ground with them in it?To stop him the man that actually won the election decided to share his power with Odinga to stop the blood shed.FYI when Obama was a US Senator he went to Kenya to help Odinga campaign for him on taxpayers money,and while there he took part in an Political parties Oath.The LOU TRIBAL LOYALITY OATH,giving his alliegence to his families political cousin?That should be enough to question his loyalities to the United States of America?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:40 am

John McCain? and NO you speak the lanuage of the double tongue?which Im saying Liar ,liar pants on fire?lol


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:46 am

What was the “October Surprise” you guys talked about for so long?
1. The Ashley Todd backwards “B” stunt?
2. The non-existent “whitey” tape?
3. Joe the Plumber?
4. The Berg lawsuit (defeated at every stage)?
Keep 'em comin'!


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:50 am

Methinks thou dost protest too much.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:51 am

Simple They were of Parents that were “BOTH borned in the UNITED STATES and Woodward and Bernstein didn't discovered who deep thoat was until years later but it was enough to pull down tricky dick.That's a fact because I doing my hitch in D.C when that was happening?and Ive wasted enough time enlighting you to the facts and you won't listen,but the facts won't be hiden forever and I have the time and the fortitude to see this through?I hope you will have an epiffany and will awake to the facts and use your gray matter for something besides a hat rack?and WE WILL PROVE THAT VERY FACT?SEMFI!


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:54 am

If it wasn't for our guns you would be speaking another language?and would be unable to religous freedoms or any other rights them there guns got for you?you think about that the next time you vote?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:57 am

unforunate for you we will prove other wise? you almost had it right Heavy? and Hilter was a jew?lol


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:03 am

The only thing is this art2 sec1 will not let your daughter run or hold the office of pontus of the United States.only one of your offspring could possiablely become president,and the last statement is why she couldn't become president but can be a natural borned cirizen,because she had “BOTH PARENTS being a us citizens? thats not hard to understand is it?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:03 am

Oh, an educated WIGGER. How quaint.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:03 am

And, you might very well like Somalia, since you hate government.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:04 am

Its The Contitution?not a “RULE”


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:05 am

Oh, an uneducated racist birfoon. How original.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:06 am

Hey Heavy hitter I think we are making progress?lol Keep it up you will get it?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:11 am

Election propaganda. Notice that most of the people he knew were fellow foreigners. Mostly muslim.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:12 am

All you proved is that you are a brainwashed Wigger.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:13 am

What's your point?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:13 am

Hey John McCain proved his in the supreme court? his parents was stationed in Canal zone on activty duty for their country? BOTH WERE AMERICANS? and Please don't call the Contitution ,an ANTIQUATED RULE? It only disqualifies her from running for president?thats all.It doesn't matter the proceedure used to be borned into this world.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:14 am

Actually, you are incorrect, she indeed would be considered natural born and could run for President. Read the case law, learn something.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.p…

Saying, in part:

…children of citizens of the United States that might be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, should be considered as natural-born citizens.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:15 am

Oh, another “White Guilt” Obaboon. How sickening.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:17 am

It takes a loser to know a loser, but in this case, you've even f@cked that up. ASSMUNCH!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:19 am

Well, until federal marshals perp-walk him out of the White House in handcuffs, ankle fetters, and belly chains, you might say that Barry is masquerading as president of these United States. Gotta admire the fella's balls, if nothing else.

And I mean NOTHING else.

As for why Barry Soetoro is a special case, consider the jet-setting history of his Mommy and Daddy in and around the date of his birth in Mombasa, and throughout his childhood. His young years in an Indonesian madrassah. His tightly-sealed academic records, from Kindergarten through his preppie years at the prestigious Punahau School, at Occidental College, at Columbia University, at the law school of the Cambridge campus of Patrice Lumumba University….

Well, you've gotten the drift. And when was the last time a Chicago machine politician stood for the presidency? What is it about the words “Chicago machine politician” you don't get, son?

There's so goddam much reason for “doubt” about Barry Soetoro that you've gotta be kidding, right? The guy is a cipher. A vacuum. An empty suit. A faux noir phoney who was raised White as sour cream, and yet pretends to be “Black.”

And considering the rape job he's running on the American economy, I figure it's reasonable to demand everything of him up to and including a sample of his DNA. If his conduct over the last year and more doesn't qualify him for some sort of community notification program, there's no real definition to the term “habitual molester.”


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:21 am

I can get a driver's license in California with the same type of birth certificate Obama provided. I can get a U.S. Passport the same type of birth certificate Obama provided. You say a lot of unsupported stuff, which you apparently obtain through self-proctoscopy. Here's my proof:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm#BDLP
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/firs…
Where's yours?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:22 am

Tell me about his friends who don't want to talk about him for fear of stoking rumors about him being a closet muslim. And then we can talk about all his political buddies soon to be in prison for their crimes. And then we can talk about his American hating commie buddies who influenced him so much. And then we can talk about the crooks at ACORN……etc etc. ad nauseum, ad infinitum…….Oh and the point would be the one on the top of your head.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:25 am

You hold that thought and we will see said the blind man?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:25 am

I said “during his innocent childhood,” didn't I? At that madrassah in Djakarta, he was named “Soetoro.”

What, you want me to stick with his “Obama” alias?

Nah. After all, there's no proof that that's his real name. After all, the only thing we've got is that bogus computer graphic image from June 2008.

Be nice to have a competent forensic documents examiner or six look over the piece of paper from which that image was supposedly generated, wouldn't it?

No? Because it probably doesn't exist? Or because you're dead sure that it won't read “Honolulu”?


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:25 am

In other words, you cannot respond except through childish outbursts and you therefore surrender to his superior logic.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:26 am

Randwulf, in case you did not notice, the Dems won…our guy is the President.

See how that works?

Must really suck to be you, huh? Sooo sad, too bad.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:27 am

Incoherent nonsense and unsubstantiated BS. Is that all you've got? Why are you even here?


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:29 am

Please repeat last transmission. You're coming in garbled and stupid.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:31 am

. . . who picked up his hammer and saw. Uh, spacin' out now, runninbear?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:31 am

The birfoons are quick to anger and short on logic and intellect, so, Randwulf's response is pretty standard.

*yawn*


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:35 am

Oh, I love reading an Obamaphile abjuring anyone to “Think man, think!”

Haven't looked at what I've written about the practices of scientific inquiry, have you, son?

When the “Damn. That's funny….” moment hits, that's the time “reasonable doubt” comes in. From then on, the requirement is proof positive, with appropriate skepticism at every point of the process of investigation.

And when suppressio veri is pretty blatant (sealing records out the kazoo, for example), the presumption of suggestio falsi is unavoidable.

Look, I know that you really, REALLY want to believe in your Messiah, son. And when I was a little kid, I really, REALLY wanted to believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy and the Easter Bunny. I've got one granddaughter – four years old – in the entire crop who's trying to hang on to those kinds of illusions, but her ten-year-old sister (cynical and sharp as her mom had been at that age, damn her) is bent upon busting the bubble. Too bad.

But like my least granddaughter, you've got to come to grips with the fact that when something is just TOO goddam good to be true, the statistical probability that it sure as hell ISN'T true approaches unity.

And, as I keep admonishing, what part of “Chicago machine politician” is it that you don't yet get?


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:37 am

Wait a minute . . . who are you? Are you some kind of Al Queda operative trying to get us to believe our President is not legitimate? Why are you tring to undermine our government? How do we know you're not paid by Bin Laden? That's what the “birther” movement is all about, isn't it? You're trying to foment revolution. You're an outside agitator. It all makes sense now. I look forward to seeing you on trial for treason.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:46 am

Neither white, nor guilty…but clearly far more educated than your sorry, racist, inbred arse. Did you even finish high school?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:48 am

It likely isn't all his fault, I blame the inbreeding and the home schooling first and foremost.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:53 am

Hey, disbar kept bringing up the topic of losing. I just set it straight.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:54 am

bwahhaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha…

GOOD ONE!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:55 am

Well, again, I'll try to convey this to you…. I am not a Republican. And your guy is about to end up in Leavenworth. Sooooo sad, toooooooo bad… Tah tah now.

Oh, before I forget, it only sucks to be me when I must deal with mutants like you.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:57 am

I'm here to exterminate vermin. I can't wait to get started.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:02 am

The best part of you likely ran down your mother's leg.

Homeschooling would be the only way YOU could make it to the top of your class.

Oh and finally, where is your LEADER'S non-fake BC?

Kenya tell me that?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:04 am

Then you should have no problem understanding since that is your language of choice.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:05 am

Oh, I'd HAPPILY “undermine our government.” Or at least the officers of our federal civil government who are derelict in their duty to conform to the restraints of the U.S. Constitution.

Y'see, son, you've got to stop confusing “our government” with our polity. They're not identical. Hell, in rational consideration, they're radically different. The private citizen – who is the source of all sovereignity in our representative republic – is not allowed to exercise his right to inflict deadly force on anyone else except in defense of his life, his liberty, or his property (or the life, liberty, or property of someone else suffering violent aggression).

The private citizen, as such, can undertake any action save that which is specifically proscribed by law. The officer of government can undertake only such action as is specifically PREscribed by law. When either one ventures outside those limitations, his actions are criminal, and it's pretty obvious that most of what our officers of civil government do every day is utterly criminal.

So blowing our present crop of federal government officers into a cloud of bloody gobbet flying poetically through the air is nothing more or less than a consummation devoutly to be wished. I mean, it's not like we're ever going to lack for fourth- and fifth-tier bureaucrats and politician-wannabee clowns to step up and close the breach, is it?

Government clowns are a fungible resource, with bottomless depth. There's always an overload of power-hungry parasites infesting any body politic. The trick is to keep the number of these pathogens down and mitigate their depredations. Our present economic woes are strongly indicative that something strenuous definitely needs to be get done ASAP.

Beginning with seeing Barry safely into a narrow little room in Marion, Ohio, where he can live out the rest of his days writing more fiction.

I've just loved his autobiographical fantasies.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:07 am

I have a masters degree in history. No crossovers in the family tree.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:16 am

Ooh, you really don't know old Hairplug Joe, do you?

“Biden [who never encountered a socialist he didn't want to plagiarize] was always [stop7997's] first choice for President…,” eh?

Yep. The Joe Biden who held up a copy of Richard Epstein's *Takings* at Judge Clarence Thomas' SCOTUS confirmation hearings and demanded of the interviewee a sort of “Are you now or have you ever been a believer in the protections of the Fifth Amendment?” line.

Yeah, just wonderful. Joe Biden. Delaware's revenge for being forced by the Republicans to give up chattel slavery when the 13th Amendment got ratified.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:20 am

If there's anything I can't stand, it's an erudite birther. Fortunately, there is only one of you.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:29 am

No, because that would mean you're treating him differently from any other politician. Disparate treatment is usually referred to as discrimination. Despite all your mumbo jumbo about Chicago politics, the fact is that Obama is as clean as a whistle. First it was Rezko, then it was Blago. You folks were saying that woudl be the end of Obama, but it wasn't. Obama is above all that. And the fact you cannot believe it bespeaks only of your prejudice.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:33 am

Tsk. Determined to pigeonhole me as a “birther,” are you? Haven't you twigged by now? To the extent that demanding of Mr. Soetoro the disclosure of EVERYTHING that he's trying to hide, I wish nothing more or less than to exploit an opportunity to “kick de natal stuffn' outen” the office of the U.S. presidency, with all its “czars” and its proliferation of cabinet-level wastage, its executive orders and brute meddling in the lives of the private citizenry.

I would be absolutely delighted to see Barry Soetoro conducted securely to incarceration, with the knowledge that henceforth every occupant of that office should look to this precedent as a manifest of the denigrated and preyed-upon population's willingness to take down even the highest, the mightiest, the most politically sacrosanct criminals in public office.

We got Nixon. Except for the intervention of “Republicans” like Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter, we would've had Bubba. Now it's Barry's turn, and Allah smite the apostate.

I want a federal government that enforces the Bill of Rights. Nothing more, nothing less. Nailing the socialists' Mahdi is merely one step along that path.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Randwulf, you may just be the perfect spokesperson for the birfoon movement. Maybe you should call Orly Taitz and offer to serve as her public relations liaison? She clearly needs one after that CNN appearance! LOL!

Oh, and, if you must know, I happen to be Ivy League educated (undergrad and grad), and was at the top of my class. Liberal elitist here, and damn proud of it.

Bet that just burns you up, doesn't it?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:37 am

You should demand your money back from whatever correspondence school it is that you attended…clearly it was not money well spent. Your posts demonstrate that fact very clearly.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:39 am

Oh, have you finally figured out that YOU LOST?

Good job.

Someone please give the birfoon a cookie…


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Nah. I'm treating Barry Soetoro the same way I treat any other statist sonofabitch, “Red” side or “Blue” side. The pitiful bastich simply offers such spectacular vulnerabilities in his astonishing drive to stonewall his personal past history into non-existence, virtually guaranteeing that he's covering up information that is absolutely fatal for him.

I mean, the guy is a fungating cancer just sitting there and begging to be biopsied, isn't he?

And if he really is (as you're fervently praying) “clean as a whistle” – Hoo, Hah! – then what irks you about anyone's desire to learn EVERYTHING about him?

I'm not the “believe it” type, son. You want that, you go find yourself a faith healer, okay? I've gotta have proof, and when the pathology is as obvious as it is in Barry's case, I'd be guilty of malpractitionate dereliction of duty were I to cease from demanding that the miserable bastich put EVERYTHING out in the sunlight for the people to examine.

What, you're scared of sunlight?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:44 am

Wow, my “guy” is going to end up in Leavenworth? Which “guy” is that? The only guy I can imagine you are referring to is Major Cook, and, I would agree there is a high likelihood of that happening rather soon.

Regardless of what candidate you supported, it seems clear you do NOT support Obama, and I am guessing you did not vote for him….so, yes, YOU LOST.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:47 am

I think all the birfers may have gone running off…

Sorry fellow Obots, you may have to play “whack-a-birfer” elsewhere now…we seem to be running low on them here at this point! Apologies…


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:52 am

Pee-yew…do I smell a whiff of Sovereign Citizen? Pee-yew…hope not.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:57 am

Yep, they're all gone. Just us constitutionalists and you Obamaphiles.

You wanna take advantage of the interval and discuss just why it is that you love Barry-boy so much, and want to have his children, and are ready to run out and buy yourself a set of knee-pads the moment you get approval of that application you submitted for a post as a White House intern?

I mean, we've got all these memoirs and interviews with the people who slurped up to Hitler and Mussolini and like that, but it'd be nice to add something contemporaneous to the study of the Obamamania phenomenon. “There's a sucker born every minute,” sure, but we could go into a helluva lot greater context.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:58 am

Well, ever since you logged on we've had to put up with the stench of an Obama-sucking statist.

Me, I'm just a member of the productive class. Treat me nice, sonny. You need the tax revenues.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:04 am

I get it now. You're somewhere to the right of Barry Goldwater. An anarchist. A free thinker, almost to the point where “free” overwhelms “thinker.” Unfortunately, being willing to cast your lot with the Orly Taitz's of the world means you'll never have any relevance. What a waste.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:10 am

Oh, are we playing “whack-a-sovereign-citizen-wacko” now? Goodie…my second favorite game!!!

So, why dontcha go on ahead tell us how the 14th Amendment never really passed? Or maybe how the Magna Carta is controlling US Law. Or how we should abolish the Fed?

I thought they arrested all your ilk back in the 90s. Out on parole so soon? Good behavior? Shouldn't you be including a copyright symbol in each of your comments, and writing your name in ALL CAPS or some such idiocy?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:14 am

It seems the game has changed from “whack-a-birfer” to “whack-a-sovereign-citizen-wacko”!!!

Fun times!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:14 am

You mean “Comrade Goldwater”? That COMMUNIST? Faugh! And his mother smelled of elderberries….

Dunno about being a “free thinker” (unless you mean it in the Bob Ingersoll sense). Ever read Heinlein's *The Moon is a Harsh Mistress*? Familiar with the character of Professor de la Paz, the one Heinlein modeled upon Robert LeFevre?

Recall Heinlein's definition of the “rational anarchist”?

If you don't, I figure I can pull the quote for you.

As for Dr. Taitz, how do you muddle through to any conclusion that I've “cast [my] lot” with her? I admire her effort, certainly, particularly her hutzpah, but then I admire a lot of other dentists, too.

Some of them are absolute wizards at regional and local anesthesia.


stop7997
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:18 am

Yep. If you birthers get your wish, that's who'll be your President.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:19 am

Never read it. I love science fiction, though.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:23 am

Chutzpah isn't the right word. I can feel it coming . . . wait . . . wait . . .yeah, “foolishness,” that's it. You know, the bad side of audacity.


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:24 am

The birthers weren't putting up much of a fight anyway.


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:28 am

heavy, they never do, they have neither the skills nor the intelligence…


stop7997
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:31 am

No matter what gets written here, Barack Obama is President of the United States unless the courts rule otherwise. So I STRONGLY encourage you to spend all your money and free time dragging this thing through the judicial system. I encourage every birther to do the same. Instead of spending all of your money on crystal meth, I'm sure you can find some dirtbag lawyer who'll be happy to take it. Maybe Lou Dobbs can even recommend one.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:39 am

MY “President”? What, don't you recognize a “Whaddaya mean 'we,' Kemo Sabe?” moment when you see one?

Hairplug Joe gets to be POTUS. He nominates somebody to occupy the Veep slot (the way Nixon did when Agnew went bye-bye, and the way Ford did when Tricky Dick fluttered off in Marine One). We get our first certifiably brain-damaged President, and we get rid of the “Hope and Change” illusion that walks like a legitimate occupant of the White House and has been driving the U.S. economy even further off the cliff than that dork, Dubbya, did.

And the Plagiarist From Delaware inherits a gutshot Presidency during which even the go-along-to-get-along Republicans – America's “Special Olympics” party – are pushed to screw him up at every turn, pushed by constituencies who scent blood in the water and want to check out the chum.

Hey, what's not to like?


disbar_the_birfer_lawyers
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:48 am

Oh, now I am sure we are playing “whack-a-sovereign-citizen-wacko”…your chattel slavery comment gives you away for sure.

Again, why aren't you including the copyright symbol on your posts or putting you name in ALL CAPS or some such other idiocy? You aren't very good at this Sovereign Citizen stuff, are you? Maybe Orly's new disbarred in multiple states “law clerk” could help you…you should give her a call.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Damn, are you in luck. You get to read *The Moon is a Harsh Mistress* for the very first time. The pertinent quote come in a dialogue early in the book, a conversation among the first-person protagonist (Manny), a pretty revolutionary rabble-rouser named Wyoming, and the elderly Professor de la Paz.

In response to a request from Wyoming as to the Prof's political position, he describes himself as a “rational anarchist,” and when asked to expound further, continues:

“A rational anarchist believes that concepts such as 'state' and 'society' and 'government' have no existence save as physically exemplified in the acts of self-responsible individuals. He believes that it is impossible to shift blame, share blame, distribute blame. . . as blame, guilt, responsibility are matters taking place inside human beings singly and nowhere else. But being rational, he knows that not all individuals hold his evaluations, so he tries to live perfectly in an imperfect world. . . aware that his effort will be less than perfect yet undismayed by self-knowledge of self-failure.”

The rational anarchist holds that there is no corporate sanctity about government. The officers of civil government – even the most adored popularity contest winners, like Barry – are not only fallible but inescapably fatally flawed, and CANNOT BE TRUSTED to exercise the powers of their offices without being made always conscious of having a rope drawn tight around each neck.

I could pull more from Jefferson, Bastiat, Mencken, Mises – any number of thoughtful, decent, anti-authoritarian people who have defended the right of the individual human being to go to hell in his own handbasket, however he pleases, but you get the sense of it, right?

If you love SF as a literature of ideas, and you've not yet dug into Heinlein's work, you've got some good stuff coming. Yes, a lot of his stuff is dated, but if you keep it in the context of the times when he'd been writing, you'll see how far ahead of his contemporaries he'd really been.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:55 am

Got a link to that “Sovereign Citizen” stuff, doofus, or should I just Websearch it for myself? Not that I mind you drifting further off into Fantasyland, mind.

You Obamaphiles are SUCH a hoot!


heavyhitter
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Thanks, Tuci. Sounds interesting. It also sounds like you're into rational anarchy the same way I'm into existentialism. Now I'm leaving disbar to reign you in all by himself. I'm outta here.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 5:22 am

Into it? No more than I'm “into” Evidence-Based Medicine (EBM). It's an abstract model that seems robustly workable, and has proven effective when exercised.

We're in a helluva mess “…because most people derive some of their identity from supporting the central government and because the plague’s tendrils penetrate nearly everyone’s occupation and finances, there is no way to fight it. There are varying degrees of guilt, but nearly everyone is tainted at some level.

“We have created the macroeconomic equivalent of a suicide pact.”

(See http://www.lewrockwell.com/calderwood/calderwoo… )


tickhound
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 5:49 am

wow… But I can understand why you're so defensive. And you'll become more defensive, as you continue to applaud and reward failure. You think this is right or left. Its not… And the kool-aid you drink has you blinded.


tickhound
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 5:53 am

Allow me to control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws. Wake up. You argue a point that is elementary. Dems Repos are not the point. You live the matrix. The rest know what's up.


tickhound
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 5:57 am

If ignorance is bliss…

What saddens me is so much of America is just like birfer… And they'll only realize after their wealth is stolen, and their freedoms are removed… in the name of national security. History repeats… And birfer is how bad things happen.


tickhound
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 6:02 am

disbar the birfer layman is to politcal science…

what Maria Carey, is to political science.

My kid sees the big picture clearer than you… And he's 5.


tom
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 6:19 am

For some reason its usually omitted for whatever purpose that not a single Justice or anyone who is a competent judge of matters pertaining to such documents as the 'colb' has ever ever handled or seen the real tangible colb said to exist outside the internet. Besides the matter of a forgery Obamas auto-biography authored from 06(?) refers to his copy of a birth certificate while the date on the internet colb is from 07! Obamas camp published colbs with and without certficate numbers, with and without State of Hawaii date time stamps and seals. In addition its said to be the wrong security paper. Ha. has never verified that colb –how could they because no one can find 'one' unless from the net. Inother words Ha. is not current with obamas colb. So as a document an internet image is discredited. But Ha. can not and never did, nor any state either make a document that proves a Natural Born Citizen because it is a constitutional matter. So the colb document does not apply. Its like using counterfeit money. One cannot cherry pick a document and say one line is true but not the other, you must take the whole thing as true or not. If the colb is true obama is not an NBC. A limitation of the colb and a b/c is is true, obama is a citizen on that date only because neither has 45 years of persistence nor does any b/c or colb. Obama cannot submit the colb without admitting he is not an NBC because he sponsored a Senate resolution ( yes, nonbinding) is contradictory— he would perjure himself while presenting false ie inapplicable( counterfeit) evidence and no lawyer can do that for him. This is a fraud, a con game, and serious rico violation by site that published his colb, the dnc and others.Ha. cannot and would not if they could verify that what was on the net is what they issued because they have not been presented with their colb back, and of course who has one and they are prevented to do so ( because now they have to generate another) without obama permission. Discovery must be made to authenticate the colb. If it does obama is not an NBC– clearly. If it does not authenticate the colb we have fraud anyway. Sorry if I ommitted anything. Have a nice weekend.


majordomo
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 8:39 am

If you're going to use the english language properly, then you should remember the rules of proper english sentence structure – whenever the names Hiltler and Mussolini appear in the same sentence, you need to include the names Bu$h and Cheney too.


majordomo
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 8:44 am

Here's a point republicans needs to remember. Back in the 30's, the public was so fed up with the GOP, the Senate ended up with only 24 seats out of 96 (48 states back then). And history has a funny way of repeating itself too.


majordomo
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 8:48 am

And it was such an astounding, run away, mandate, first time victory for Obama – unlike Bu$h's – the Supreme Court couldn't be relied upon to rule in the GOP's favor without blatantly looking partisan.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

This is what I mean by mentality, in the low sense


Anonymous
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

Sarah Palin would knock you on your feet with her knowledge, also you guys
are just jealous because she is actually pretty


Anonymous
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

Every night I howl at the moon waiting for the day you guys might actually
wake up from the nightmare you have put this country in because of your
blindness. Lets face it, George Bush did do some things wrong, but he kept
the country safe from any more attacks. What are you going to do when N
Korea sends missiles at us from ships that are looking to be cargo and we
are wiped out because of weakness in defense caused by your dear usurper.
When I see a real long form birth cert I will call him my President right or
wrong, but till then no. You might as well wait for the bombs to hit, they
will put you out of your misery


Anonymous
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

Yes, you guys are very typical!!! Rude, arrogant, yet I don’t know what
about.


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 11:59 am

It is in the Frank Marshall Davis autobiograghy. He admits to a threesome, his wife and “Anne” a thirteen old girl. Or maybe that is what is hidden in the birth certificate not only is the communist Frank Marshall Davis the father and Anne was 13……..


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

Is that the best argument you have? LAME!
Too tell you the truth Obama would rather we argues about his citizenship instead of all the fraud that is Acorn! http://www.acorn-8.net The insiders are starting to talk. And why is it Obama just fired an investigtor looking into acorn fraud?
Walpin?


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:56 pm

Berg most certainly is Hillarys' lawyer.
He is a long time democrat. Even running for office as a democrat.
How do you suppose she got that plumb job?
Remember her saying that they was a “big bombshell” that was going to rock Obama campaign?
Have 900 FBI files, will travel!!!


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

And for a mere $12.50 he could display his proof!
The fact that he has gone to great lengths to hide it…….
But we know how many times a day palin has a bowl movement


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

I find it far more important to dig into Acorn fraud.
Our tax dollars have gone for acorn. We don't even have a clue how many billions.


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

If bush would have done this it would be a call for impeachment!
Obama’s unjust firing and treatment of AmeriCorps Inspector General continues to make the news.

WATCHDOG MASSACRE
Does Congress have guts to investigate 'Walpingate'?

Fired inspector general among 3

Posted: June 22, 2009
By Drew Zahn

Former AmeriCorps watchdog Gerald Walpin is only the first – yet
still the most controversial – of three inspectors general to leave
their posts prematurely since President Obama took office, and now
he's asking for a congressional hearing into his suspicious firing
by the White House.


chgotchr
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

If Obama was a white man born in Hawii in 1961 with a french father who left when he was young, there would be no birther movement. This craziness is not because the President was born in Hawii, the problem for the right wick is that Obama is black.


junglejimy123
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

FIGURES SOME OF YOU ZOMBIES WOULD PALY A THE RACE CARD…”ITS BECAUSE HES BLACK ETC ETC ” NO ITS BECAUSE HE MIGHT BE VERY GUILTY OF TREASON AND HIS BIRTH CERTIFICTAE COULD EXONERATE HIM OR CLEAR HIM..EITHER WAY THE TRUTH NEEDS TO COME OUT NOW


littlechi
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

I agree, this is wrong , Walpin was doing his job, got too close, fired. I have seen the man, he is not deleusional as Obama has tried to say. The man is a strong ethical man. That is just what Obama does not want in there. Someone with Ethics. These men were not to be fired the way they were. Highly unconstitutional. We do need to look into this and Acorn and stop all this power grab by Obama and Chicago thugs.


littlechi
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

No you don't. You need to include Obama and the DNC and handcuffs


lyleleander
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

“You produce the signature, the doctor, the birth date, so forth, the witnesses, which normally accompany any birth certificate, and produce it from the hospital record, and we’re done.”

Oh really? I find that to be a particularly perverted and fitting piece of conservative logic. Here you are insisting subtly (or not so subtly) that the President is a hoax, a fraud, etc… and then in the same breath claim that once some low-level federal office worker in Hawaii produces the 'real' certificate, this will all be over.

Face it, the real attraction this this contrived theory is that deep down, everybody that is in on it knows there's no way it will ever be possible to really shut these people up.

'Oh really? That's the long-form birth certificate after all this time? Prove that you didn't stop by Kinkos on the way over here and doctor that up!'


Anonymous
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

I learned from the best! Right-wing Republicans!

ROFLMAO!!!

 

________________________________


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

Oh please. EVEN BUSHS APPOINTED ATTORNEY CITED WALPIN FOR HIDING EVIDENCE. He is a lifelong extremist anti american right winger who was called on his incompetence and couldn't stand that he was forced to actually follow rules.

He deserved to be fired, plain and simple.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Pop Quiz,
True or False, Acorn is OBLIGATED to turn in ALL voter registration apps, even if they believe they are fraudulent?


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

I assume you mean other than the proof that has been
a) available for over a year
b) certified by the state of Hawaii
c) backed up by birth announcements in the states newspaper
d) certified as legitimate by EVERY qualified expert who has examined it

right?


John Clark
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

The long form birth certificate is only the first issue in his eligibility. Much more questionable is his moving to Indonesia, being adopted by an Indonesian national and attending an Indonesian school as an Indonesian citizen. Indonesia was a military dictatorship with very national ID cards. The school would have recorded him by copying what his government ID had written on it.

As neither Indonesia or the US permitted dual citizenship at that time, his becoming an Indonesian citizen automatically nullified whatever US citizenship he may have had. At best he is a naturalized citizen, and without evidence of naturalization, he is not a US citizen at all.


fdgsetrhae
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

I really don't know why the lunatics haven't let this go. The problem all along was McCain was ineligible (or at least on shaky ground) to be President. He was born in the Canal Zone *before* the law was written that made children born on US bases outside of the country automatic US citizens.

And then he lost, so it's a moot point.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Hm. That's a rule of grammar the nuns never imparted. Though I'm pretty sure you're just blowing it out your ass, given that my opinion of Dubbya and his co-conspirators doesn't rise much higher than my opinion of der Fuhrer and il Duce, hey, why the hell not?


alferd
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

It is not possible for a minor child to lose his or her U.S. cititizenship

See Perkins v. Elg, 1936

http://supreme.justia.com/us/307/325/case.html

——–

” It has long been a recognized principle in this country that, if a child born here is taken during minority to the country of his parents' origin, where his parents resume their former allegiance, he does not thereby lose his citizenship in the United States provided that, on attaining majority, he elects to retain that citizenship and to return to the United States to assume its duties.”

——–

“That any American citizen shall be deemed to have expatriated himself when he has been naturalized in any foreign state in conformity with its laws, . . . ” was aimed at voluntary expatriation, and was not intended to destroy the right of a native citizen, removed from this country during minority, to elect to retain the citizenship acquired by birth and to return here for that purpose, even though he may be deemed to have been naturalized under the foreign law by derivation from the citizenship of his parents before he came of age.”

——————————-

This principle was clearly stated by Attorney General Edwards Pierrepont in his letter of advice to the Secretary of State Hamilton Fish, in Steinkauler's Case, 15 Op.Atty.Gen. 15. The facts were these: one Steinkauler, a Prussian subject by birth, emigrated to the United States in 1848, was naturalized in 1854, and in the following year had a son who was born in St. Louis. Four years later, Steinkauler returned to Germany, taking this child, and became domiciled at Weisbaden, where they continuously resided. When the son reached the age of twenty years, the German Government called upon him to report for military duty, and his father then invoked the intervention of the American Legation on the ground that his son was a native citizen of the United States. To an inquiry by our Minister, the father declined to give an assurance that the son would return to this country within a reasonable time. On reviewing the pertinent points in the case, including the Naturalization Treaty of 1868 with North Germany, 15 Stat. 615, the Attorney General reached the following conclusion:

“Young Steinkauler is a native-born American citizen. There is no law of the United States under which his father or any other person can deprive him of his birthright. He can return to America at the age of twenty-one, and in due time, if the people elect, he can become President of the United States; but the father, in accordance with the treaty and the laws, has renounced his American citizenship and his American allegiance and has acquired for himself and his son German citizenship and the rights which it carries and he must take the burdens as well as the advantages. The son being domiciled with the father and subject to him under the law during his minority, and receiving the German protection where he has acquired nationality and declining to give any assurance of ever returning to the United States and claiming his American nationality by residence here, I am of the opinion that he cannot rightly invoke the aid of the Government of the United States to relieve him from military duty in Germany during his minority. But I am of opinion that, when he reaches the age of twenty-one years, he can then elect whether he will return and take the nationality of his birth with its duties and privileges, or retain the nationality acquired by the act of his father. This seems to me to be 'right reason,' and I think it is law.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

Not exactly “a moot point.” The fact that Crash Test Johnnie ran for the presidency at all – especially after being vetted by the Congress – does set a precedent. Can “natural born” citizen status be denied the children of U.S. military and diplomatic personnel stationed abroad?

The parents of such children – unlike Ms. Dunham and Mr. Obama – are duty-bound to remain “on-station” despite the fact of the expectant mother's gravidity, and unless the place whereat that mother is delivered of her pregnancy is considered (like a U.S. embassy) a “patch of America” in a foreign land, the child of that couple is unwarrantedly deprived of his or her birthright.

There's a difference between the status of a U.S. serviceman and his/her spouse and a couple like the meandering Mr. & Mrs. Obama in 1961, between a military family standing the stresses of duty and a pair of gadabout feathermerchants blithely nesting in Mombasa to squeeze out their get and then flying home to the maternal grandparents' happy home in Honolulu.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Hey Heavey hitter it don't bother me that you call me names?Being a Native American and yes IM proud of it?Ive been called names across this great country,every thing from Red N word to everthing else,But Don't ever call us Un American,someone who wasn't borned here,wasn't registered as an american,then having moved back to Hawaii to get his citizenship Ann Obama up and marries Lolo Soetoro and moves to Indonesia before she completes the required time in the USA,to confer her citizenship to Barrack.Who is adopted and moves to Indonesia,and goes to school right away(aka Barry Soetoro)(in his book)This alone makes him unable to hold the office of the president?This man,who spews to the world that it's not my fault America treated communism the way they did “I was only 4 years old at the time”,and living in kenya I might add)So if you want, Hit me with your best shot?lol,but that won't change what the Facts will show? I looked at all the sites that was so sure where Obama was borned,yesterday and,now they have changed their places 4 different times “IN ONE DAY”and 2 diferent hospitals? All of them are running around like chickens with their head up their posterior end?waitting for the other shoe to drop?Nixon heard it and Obama won't hear comming because he to stuck on himself because the press has elevated him to god like status?,but the winds of change ,not the change Obama has in mind,where taxevaders,Lobbist that he swore he wouldn't hire and,supporting Acorn,the single biggest CRIMMAL treat that Obama has ever had his hands in.Two words CLOVEN/PIVEN ?Acorn has been under indictment for voters fraud,having,been caught and at least 8 have already gone to jail.they have found that they have registerd up too 50,000 names in as many as 5 states,that were deceased,or just made up, to change the number of representives can reprenst them,NOW he has given them funding?Scary off the lead investgator that “THE POWERS TO BE DOESN”T WANT THIS INVESTGATION TO HAPPEN”to have their workers volunteer to take the cenus(Which is Illegal “RICCO ACT”)So heavy hitter you can call me all the names you have to,but,these are the things I see your kenyan is taking us down a road that,destroys the very way we americans have choosen our leaders for 200 plus years?OUR VOTE? and OUR CONTITUTION? We the people can't let that happen?IF we do GOD HELP US ALL! even you Heavy hitter! SEMFI!


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

If any of that were true there would be no question


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

You would hope so…
This group is hard to get a handle on because every day it breaks into more splinter groups. And they continue to get our tax dollars after arrests and convictions and
embezzlement of huge amounts of money by key figures in the organization.
This is Obama's community organizer days.


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

The many faces of acorn

385 Palmetto Street Housing Fund Corp.
4415 San Jacinto Street Corp.
ACORN
Acorn 2004 Housing Development Fund Corp.
Acorn 2005 Housing Development Fund Corp.
ACORN Associates
ACORN Benefi cial Association
ACORN BeverlyY LLC
ACORN Campaign Services
ACORN Campaign To Raise The Minimum Wage
ACORN Center for Housing, Inc.
ACORN Children’s Benefi cial Association
ACORN Community Land Association
ACORN Community Land Association of IL
ACORN Community Land Association of LA
ACORN Community Land Association of PA
ACORN Community Labor Organizing Center
ACORN Cultural Trust
ACORNDumont-SnedikerHousingDevelopment
Fund Corp.
ACORN Fair Housing
ACORN Fund
ACORN Housing Corp.
ACORN Housing Corp. of IL
ACORN Housing Corp. of MO
ACORN Housing Corp. of PA
ACORN Institute
ACORN Law For Education, Representation,
And Training
ACORN Management Corp.
ACORN National Broadcasting Network
ACORN Services
ACORN Television In Action For Communities
ACORN Tenant Union Training And Organizing
Project
ACORN Tenants Union
Affi liated Media Foundation Movement
Agape Broadcasting Foundation Inc
The Many Faces of ACORN
Among ACORN’s many affi liates and subsidiaries are:
American Environmental Justice Project Inc.
American Home Childcare Providers Association
American Institute for Social Justice
Arizona ACORN Housing Corp.
Arkansas Broadcasting Foundation
Association for the Rights of Citizens Inc.
Associated Regional Maintenance Systems
Austin Organizing and Support Center
Baltimore Organizing and Support Center
Boston Organizing and Support Center
Broad Street Corp.
California Community Network
Chicago Organizing and Support Center
Chief Organizer Fund
Child Care Providers for Action Franklin
Citizens Action Research Project
Citizens Campaign for Work, Living Wage &
Labor Peace
Citizens Consulting, Inc.
Citizens Campaign for Finance Reform
Citizens for Future Progress
Colorado ACORN Housing Corp.
Crescent City Broadcasting Corp.
Desert Rose Homes LLC
Dumont Avenue Housing Development Fund
Elysian Fields Corp., Inc
Elysian Fields Partnership
Fifteenth Street Corp.
Floridians For All PAC
Franklin ACORN Housing
Greenville Community Charter School Inc.
Greenwell Springs Corp.
Hospitality Hotel and Restaurant Organizing
Council (HOTROC)
Houston Organizing And Support Center
KABF Radio
KNON Radio
Labor Neighbor Research and Training Center Inc.
Living Wage Resource Center
Louisiana ACORN Fair Housing
Massachusetts ACORN Housing Corp.
Metro Technical Institute
Missouri Tax Justice Research Project
Montana Radio Network
Mott Haven ACORN Housing Development Fund Corp.
Mutual Housing Association of New York Inc.
National Center for Jobs & Justice
New Mexico Organizing and Support Center
New Orleans Community Housing Organization
New York ACORN Housing Company Inc.
New York Agency for Community Affairs Inc.
New York Organizing and Support Center
Organizers Forum
Pennsylvania Institute for Community Affairs
People’s Equipment Resource Corp.
Phoenix Organizing And Support Center
Project Vote
SEIU Local 100
SEIU Local 880
Service Workers Action Team
Shreveport Community Television
Site Fighters
Sixth Avenue Corp.
Social Policy
Southern Training Center
St. Louis Organizing And Support Center
St. Louis Tax Reform Group
Student Minimum Wage Action Campaign
Texas ACORN Housing Corp. Inc.
Wal-Mart Workers Association
Wal-Mart Association for Reform Now
Working Families Association
source: Employment Policies Institute report, “Rotten
ACORN: America’s Bad Seed,” July 2006, see PDF fi le at
http://www.rottenacorn.com/downloads/060728_bad….
pdf.
6 November 2008
FoundationWatch


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

GReat another name caller! In the frist place John McCain was cleared by the Supreme court?and they found that he was and is a Naturailzed citizen of the USA?Mr McCain was borned to “BOTH PATRENTS THAT are and still is Natural borned citizens of the UNited States of America.who was stationed on a miltiatary base,which is the same as our US embassy,while it is being occiuppied by said country it is US soil?did you not hear years ago we finally signed it over the canal to Panama,why do you think they sined that treaty?Now Obama is not of (2) parents that are from the USA(Even Obama when ask said that he agreed that the law specified that it meant “BOTH PARENTS”while there is no arguement that Barracks daddy was a kenyan,and AnnDunham was a “MINOR” the citizenship falls on the father”WHO IS KENYAN!the prevailing laws of marriage in British controled(Africa)Kenya states this.McCain never lost his citizenship?even crimmals that have taken the oath and become US citizens can't just lose their citizenship status? and some of these are Murders,rapist,and yet they still have their citizen ship.We are at war with Afganistan and Obama is sending 21,000 more troops this month and now they have to mirrandize captives when they catch them?This is is the dumbest thing Obama has done yet.These people are military prisioners,NOT CITIZENS OF THE USA!


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

Like I've said a hundred times. what more important me is how Washington is spending our money. The birth certificate is just a smoke screen. So DC can continue to funnel our money into fruad!


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Billions of our dollars to be exact.
Remember the bailout bill in September. Mccain thought it was more important than the September debate and got ridiculed for wanting reschedule?
The democrats were about to give Acorn another $140 BILLION of our tax payer dollars!!!!!!!


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

$140 billion of our tax dollars!
The draft *bill* includes a left-wing giveaway that would force taxpayers to bankroll a slush fund for a discredited ally of the Democratic Party,” reads one leadership alert. “At issue is *ACORN*, an organization fraught with controversy for, among other scandals, its fraudulent voter registration activities on behalf of Democratic candidates. Rather than returning any profits made in the long-term from the economic rescue package, Democrats want to first reward their radical allies at *ACORN* for their (often illegal) help in getting Democrats elected to office.”
House Republicans refused to support the Henry Paulson/Chris Dodd compromise bailout plan yesterday afternoon. One of the sticking points, as Senator Lindsey Graham explained later, was a poison pill that would push 20% of all profits from the bailout into the Housing Trust Fund — a boondoggle that Democrats in Congress has used to fund political-action groups like ACORN and the National Council of La Raza:
$140 Billion of this bailout was headed to Acorn
OUR TAX DOLLARS
Friday, Sep 26, 2008


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Hm. If you want to get into the reasons why “we should abolish the Fed,” you ought to hit LewRockwell.com and go into the archive of Dr. Paul's articles. You'll find plenty of other scholars examining the nature and operations of the Federal Reserve System there, as well as at the Cato Institute and the Ludwig von Mises Institute.

What part of the words “counterfeiting” and “debauchment of the currency” don't you get, disbar?

On the 14th Amendment, its constitutionality notwithstanding, I rather like the notion that the officers of the federal government are thereby duty-bound to defend the individual rights of American citizens against the officers of the various local and state governments when these latter individuals seek to violate those rights. Like the 13th Amendment, the 14th was a step in the right direction.

When it comes to the protection of individual human rights against the depredations of government goons, what's not to like?

As for what happened in that meadow at Runnymede on 15 June 1215, how do you fumble forward the notion that a charter forced upon a Plantagenet king by a coterie of steel-clad barons has anything but a historical bearing upon the American Revolution and the charters of government devised in the years immediately following that rise of representative republicanism in our complete divorce from monarchy?

Better for you to look back to 1688, to Locke's *Two Treatises*, and thence to Trenchard and Gordon's *Cato's Letters*, wouldn't it?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Only the most salient point in the examination of Barry Soetoro (or whatever in hell he's calling himself at the moment) is valid documentation of proof that he had ever been qualified as a “natural born” citizen to stand for the office to which America's vast horde of the stupid and the gullible had erroneously elected him.

There are also the many other disquieting concerns about just why the hell Barry is hiding so friggin' much of his personal history. Consider the EFFORT that this Mulignane Messiah has put into sealing his school records (from Kindergarten through Harvard Law), his medical records in Kenya – and if that doesn't raise a red flag and shout “Fire in the hole!” what the hell does? – his medical records throughout his adult life (we've got a six-paragraph summary from his private family doctor, and that's *IT*), his client list from his days as a practicing attorney in Chicago, his records as an Illinois state legislator, and on and on and on and on….

With all that smoke he's throwing, is there anyone (except the Obamaphiles who plainly worship the water he walks upon, and who are DESPERATE in their desire to keep their godling's filthy past from being exposed) who doubts that there's combustion all to hellangone over the place?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

They did Thy have obtained a copy of the entry forms to the schools he attended and they have him down as a muslim!fact! Thelaw states that anyone that is of the age of 5 or6 is automaticly given citizenship status,but he was also adopted by Lolo Soetoro,a govt.employee,which is how he was able to attend school as soon as ha arrived(stated in his book)This is one of the bibest hurddles he knows if it getts out will destory the mith?the next reason is this: At the age of 20 years of age his obtained a Indonesian passport to travel to “PAKISTAN a forbidden country to all Americans?but not Indonesian citizens?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

I'm not sure that Barry Soetoro's time in Indonesia bears upon his eligibility to have stood for or to have been elected to the presidency.

If his parents – for the sake of expediency in getting Barry into school and out of his mother's hair once they got to Djakarta – had “greased” an Indonesian government official's palms to get documentation of Indonesian citizenship and Muslim religious status for their little burden, and if Barry in his young adulthood had taken advantage of such papers to obtain an Indonesian passport under false pretenses to facilitate his trip to Pakistan, we might have evidence that he's a corrupt and criminal sonofabitch willing and eager to do anything that suits his purposes, but then we already know that he's a Chicago machine politician.

And what is it about the words “Chicago machine politician” that nobody on these fora seems to understand? We're talking about Cook County, Illinois, where the impediment of being dead a decade or two does nothing to discharge the voter from his duty to cast his ballot for the straight Democrat ticket.

Such criminality in his past might be embarrassing for Barry, but the statute of limitations has certainly run its length, so he can't be convicted for what he'd done, can he?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

If that were the case and it isn't because he “NEVER” applied to have said citizenship on returnining to said country?and Ann Dunham/Obama didn't stay the required time to qualify her or her son as reinstated citizens,which he couldn't qualify because of his fathers citizenship.and both moved to Indonesia after her marriage to Lolo Soetoro
Young Steinkauler was and is a naturalize citizen,because his father was a naturalize by adoption and “Both his parents was a citizen of the United States,who “both lived in St.Louis.The United States for the required time to become citizens.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

I think you meant to say “Indicte him” not exonerate,but I agree that the frist excutive order he signed wasn't some important issue that he campaigned for like aids or abortion .It was to seal “ALL HIS RECORDS” To keep the truth hidden.This to me really screams cover up?He's only half black?and all Muslim? The proof is in his Cario NO ONE could possible read the Koran that perfect?when he claims he never was a praticing Muslim and only knew a few lines”,but the 8years he was attending school there in “INDONESIA” he was listed as one? Fact?


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

Hang in there bear.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

John that is the scariest thing of all, that we now have a illegal alien acting like a President in our White House. So Sad!


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

Alferd just can't seem to understand the difference between “Citizen” and a President having to be a “Natural Born American”. Two completely different classifications. Natural Born = Born of Blood and Soil. The Blood of two, (2), American Citizen Parents, and Birth on American Soil. We know Obama does not qualify for at least one of these requirements, (his non American father), but possibly was born in Kenya, and his mother was not old enough to transfer her citizenship to her new born son. So he could miss out on all three. On top of all this the British Naturalization Act of 1948 makes him a British Citizen at his birth. Thus there is no way Obama can ever be considered a Natural Born American.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

IF,IF,IF IF I was 6'5 I would be play for the Lakers?Frist Obama wasn't borned there or he would have proved this a long time ago and not spends thousands of dollars to hide it.This IF Obama would provide the necessary doucments to the people then we'll see what he really is,but we know that won't happen?
The fact that he's only Half black /half white man from a kenyan father.with dual citizenship?All Obama has to do is produce the doucments?simple enough for a 5th grader to understand.


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

This issue is the most important of his whole career? and Im sorry you don't feel that the Contitution that has given you so much Freeedoms that you would treat it with such reckless abanddonment,that you would let anyone Usurpe the office of the highest in the Land.Without so much as a second glance,to blindly believe what he has promised.just to prove that a half black/half white who refuses to stand up for our citizens to protect said citizen and not blame us for all the communism that has taken over this world.Could be put in the White House?who does have the what it takes to run this country


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

That's another reason to question him .It was his appointee?and he was investgating his friends who was going to pay a “littlle fine instead of the whole thing they stole ?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

Check out the Name ED GREENE it's his wrters pen name? The PEDOIFILE,


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

accoding to who “David the pervert Letterman?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

and has been changed on a daily basis?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

I just pray there is enough of that stuff for you and the rest of the Obama bots to enjoy because we will and your right about the dirt bag lawyers ?I hope Obama hasn't hired them all?


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

Thanks because I intend to see the man show us proof or follow nixon or J
Gordon(Scooter) Liddy to jail?semfi oldmagicman


mansour12
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Fellow readers, here's another interesting article re the pending question of Obama's citizenship:

http://freedomedium.com/2009/07/obama-and-his-b…

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Separately, I believe Press Sec Gibbs has stated that Obama was, in fact, born… and most agree on that point – but the many other questions remain very unclear.

And I would like to know what hospital in Hawaii will have wonderful Obama Birthday celebration on August 4! Have they decided yet where he was born? Lotsa funding to be had….


runninbear
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

When Barry and newly married mother/wife and adopted father by Lolo Soetoro
who worked as a tomgraper for the goverment?Thats how LOLO was in Hawaii
studing as a student of his goverment?and in 1967 he was called back home by
his dictor,which gave him the clearance to obstain said citizenship.If Barry
was at the age of 5 or 6 he automaticly was accepted as an INDONESIAN
CITIZEN,thats the laws of a foriegn borned child that has resided in said
country.So it Maybe truth is comming out.This makes him a “DUAL
citizen?expendeint or not!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:30 am

What, you didn’t know what Mrs. Dunham’s little grandson, Barry, was called through most of his innocent childhood? “Soetoro.” Jeez, these Obamaphiles are so DENSE….

Oh, the Judge Advocate General is NOT going to get an order to pursue a court martial against Major Cook. Barry and his handlers want this to disappear, not get further tracking in records that he can’t “seal.”

And I suspect that Orly Taitz was expecting backlash against her status as a practicing attorney. After all, she’s a Russian immigrant. She knows all about how the apparatchiki treat uppety peasants.

I wonder if they’re going to go after her real estate license and her license to practice dentistry. I’d really like to see the grounds they might cobble up to pursue that course of revenge against her.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

HEY MORON, it says 2007 because that was when he got the copy of it.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

No, the scariest thing of all is that raging mentally ill psychotics like you are allowed to act like you are a legally competent person.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

There is no question to anyone who has the ability to comprehend reality. To you and your mentally diseased ilk there is apparently still a question.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:39 am

14th Amendment does not address Natural Born American. It deals with simple “Citizen” only. Read John Jays letter to George Washington dealing with Natural Born. The founding fathers knew they were not Natural Born, being born British Citizens just like Obama, and had to add language to the Constitution to be able to be President. “unless you are a Citizen at the adoption of this Constitution”, Obama was not alive 222 years ago to use this language. He is simply not Constitutionally eligible to hold the office of POTUS.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

Matt, do I scare You?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:48 am

I have been following these conversations for around a year now and watched you organized Obots evolve your defense of your “leader” go from the bogus COLB on private web sights, to calling us Tin Foil Hatters, to saying we are crazy, insane, stupid, etc. and now you are running out of ammunition and pull the race card. You must now know we are now truly about to prove our case. Thanks for the encouragement.


Abbypie
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

I do feel that his birth certificate is suspect.
But I also feel that the destruction he has caused this country is of immediate concern.
Phil Berg is taking this down the legal avenues. We are in dire times.
Obama is planning a total takeover of this country. A must see video!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXEarELzjMI


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 12:14 am

YOU don't scare me. The fact that you are apparently treated as anything other than the unstable, delusional person you are is scary.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 1:43 am

Matt what have I said that makes you think that I am unstable, and or delusional? I'd really like to know. It seems to trouble you.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 2:05 am

Well except for the fact that you are completely wrong on EVERYTHING you have lied about here you are proving yet again just how worthless you idiots are.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 2:06 am

Yeah how dare we let the complete ABSENCE of any logic or facts supporting your lies cause us to automatically assume you are wrong.


The Race Card » Blog Archive » Lou Dobbs = Birther?
Pingback posted July 20, 2009 @ 3:37 am

[...] Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won’t Obama Produce His Birth Certificate? | The Washington Independent CNN host Lou Dobbs interviewed birther attorney Orly Taitz and perennial presidential candidate Alan Keyes on the July 15 episode of his radio show, asking his two discredited guests some shockingly credulous questions about the citizenship of President Obama. Dobbs explained to Taitz and Keyes that his researchers had looked for proof of the president’s citizenship and been stumped. [...]


lyleleander
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:07 am

I'm sorry, did I state somewhere that I was open to having a dialog with someone that is clearly mentally ill? Go to your nearest major university hospital, ask where the pysch ward is, and go from there. I'm sure you'll find a receptive audience.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:21 am

Hm? Cop a clue, lyle. The format of these online comments Web sites is that of a “bulletin board.” The usual-and-customary operation of such sites goes back to the old online BBS servers operating even before the Internet began to operate, when a computer owner would hook up a box to a 300-Baud handset modem and enable folks to dial in and post their remarks for universal review and response.

Once you put up your – well, you're an Obamaphile, so we'll charitably call whatever it is that's rattling around between your ears “thoughts” – in such an open forum, anybody can respond.

What, you don't like that? Well, in the time-honored custom of bulletin board participants going back into the '70s, let me tell you to blow it out your ass and STFU.

You can log out now, lyle.

Bye.


oldmagicman666
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:12 am

Monday morning 692 posts later;
If a man has nothing to hide, He hides nothing.
So, what is being hidden here?


breincel
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:28 am

The birth certificate is just a piece of supporting evidence, but not a game changer. The real issue is the definition of “natural born Citizen”.

To be a natural born Citizen requires both parents to be US citizens, and for Obama to have been on US soil. The short form certificate provided only proves that Obama is not qualified to be POTUS. Currently, there is no legal US precedent, only the Founding Father's intent at the time of the signing of the US Constitution. The precedent that prevails is “The Law of Nations” by Vattel. The SCOTUS has never ruled on such a matter.


tom
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:38 am

Moron? Try a date time stamp for a document is when it was Sent— how could it be time and dated for the reception? Anyway the idea is to distinguish what obama claims in his book from what was put on the internet : there is no mistake the two are not the same. Now count 1) obamas own bc/colb ( whatever and from wherever ), 2) the first colb put up on a site and taken down, 3) the next colb put up which is different, 3) not counting every change because its too many there is a forgery of a time/dated colb from 07 displayed on 08 series Ha. security paper…… this could continue but none can be held against obama unless you know he said so, despite Gibbs saying he or “we” put it up—- Which one??did they put up? Which example is the “historic” proof and evidence? Sorry but these images are no more proof then I'm a judge! Discovery must be made 1) authenticate the colb, and 2) obtain a proper colb direct from Ha. as now made public to see what colbs match a known good document. The rest is easy except for you having bought the farm now find out you are a slave on it if he is not an NBC. Thanks for trashing the constitution my fellow American. Also about “African”, it was not used back then even for “Africans” because it denotes someone from the continent and if someone were going to do that why not Kenyan if meaning a nationality such as ” American”? no ; it would not be used. None of those words descibes the box requirement. That is self-serving misinformation.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:58 am

The provenance of the putative legal document from which those computer graphic images were allegedly scanned has, as you observe, emphatically NOT been demonstrated.

Given that those JPG images are literally all ANYBODY has as “proof” of our Mombasa Messiah's “native-born” American citizenship status, you would think that the drones at the Obama campaign and the stumblebums writing Barry's TelePrompTer copy would be falling all over themselves to get that supposed Certification of Live Birth into the hands of a panel of forensic investigators of the sort we see on all those *CSI* police procedural pornography programs, wouldn't you?

And they would've done it in June 2008, at the same time they generated those JPG images and put up that FightTheSmears.com Website which disappeared on 13 July, wouldn't they?

(( Go to http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Y35zJ5Z6Q0c… as quickly as you can to find the Google cache of the now-404'd FightTheSmears.com Web site. Save the page! It's of historical value now. ))

If that COLB is worth as much as the paper it's supposed to have been printed upon, and if it existed in June 2008 to be scanned into those JPG images, why hasn't Barry coughed it up? I could see him maundering about how his copy of his “long form” birth certificate had gone astray (that sort of thing happens, y'know), and that the COLB was the only document he could expeditiously get from the government of the state of Hawaii, but how does that explain his palpitating, sweating reluctance – to the tune of nearly a million bucks in legal expenses – to whip out that piece of paper and show it to somebody other than those J-school Annenberg Foundation jerkwads at FactCheck?

If, indeed, said coterie of Obamaphile Messiah-suckers at FactCheck ever saw a real print-on-paper, signed and sealed state of Hawaii Certification of Live Birth for their Mulignane Mahdi in the first place. Not like they're either trustworthy or credible witnesses as to such a document's validity, are they?

Barry's looking up at the blade of the guillotine, folks. Time to yank the pin and let it drop.


lightstab
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 12:15 pm

“The SCOTUS” has never ruled on such a matter.”

Not true. The Supreme Court decided in the United States v. Wong Kim Ark that if you were born in America, you are a natural born citizen. It has nothing to do with your parent's citizenship, unless you're born in another country. In that case, one of your parents would have to be an American citizen.


lightstab
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 12:20 pm

The Director of Health for the State of Hawaii, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, as well as the Registar of Vital Statistics, Alvin Onaka, have both personally verified that the Hawaii Health Department holds Obama's original birth certificate. Judges in Seattle and Philadelphia and The Supreme Court, which holds two Bush appointees, have all dismissed suits related to Obama's birth certificate. The Republicans, who were in power when Obama was running for both the Senate and the presidency couldn't find anything on Obama. Hillary Clinton and her people couldn't find anything on Obama. Bush appointees in the CIA, FBI, and the Department of Homeland Security couldn't find evidence that disputes the notion that Obama is a natural born citizen and yet, you guys, a bunch of morons probably still living at home with their parents, have the evidence that no one else could find? Is that what you geniuses are saying?

And quite apart from the fact that Obama's Hawaian Birth Certificate has been verified by two state officials, do any of you people think about the time and cost it would have been to fly two people, one a heavily pregnant woman, to Kenya and back? In 1961? It is not like you had non-stop flights from Honolulu to Nairobi back then. Furthermore, Obama's mother was in college at the time she was pregnant with Obama. Why would any sane American woman drop her studies and fly to a third world country to give birth? And why would Obama's father, who was married to another Kenyan woman at the time he hooked up with Obama's mother, (read Barack Sr.'s history) risk the chance that his new wife might bump into his first wife back home?

And speaking of his father, the whole “Obama's father was a British citizen” crap isn't going to work either. The Fourteenth Amendment established that anyone born on American soil has automatic citizenship, regardless of the citizenship status of their parents. Anyone who disputes this should research the Supreme Court case known as United States v. Wong Kim Ark.

Basically, Wong Kim Ark was born in San Francisco, California, in 1868. His father and his mother were immigrants from China and were not United States citizens. Both of his parents later returned to China. To make a long story short, Wong left the country to visit China and was later denied entry to the United States because of the Chinese Exclusion Act and theory that he was a subject of China since his parents were subjects of China.

The case went all the way to the Supreme Court, where the validity of the Fourteenth Amendment was reaffirmed. In fact, prior to Wong Kim Ark the Supreme Court had held that birthplace by itself was not sufficient to grant citizenship (Elk v Wilkins, 1884). U.S. citizenship law since Wong Kim Ark has acknowledged both jus soli (citizenship through place of birth) and jus sanguinis (citizenship inherited from parents), which means that even if Obama was born in Kenya, he would still be a citizen due to his mother.

Now, about this Certificate of Live Birth controversy. I hear a lot of birthers claiming that a Hawaiian statue, 338, allows foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to get a Hawaiian birth certificate, but this particular statute (338.17.8) was passed in 1982 and isn't relevant. The Hawaiian statute 338.20.5 referring to birth certificates issued to foreign-born countries was passed in 1979, amended in 1990, and even though it's not relevant, it specifically outlines the procedure:

“The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents.”

Therefore, since Obama's COLB specifically states that he was born in Hawaii, on the island of Oahu, in Honolulu, and was filed on August 8, 1961, thereby invalidating the assumption that a statute pased in 1982 would have some bearing on his birth, we have to assume that the Certificate of Live Birth is perfectly legitimate. The state of Hawaii considers the COLB legal proof of birth in Hawaii as outlined in Statutes 338.13, 338.19, 338.41.

Now, let's address this Obama grandmother controversy. The whole myth surrounding Obama's grandmother is based on a scratchy telephone conversation recorded by a conservative Baptist minister named Ron McRae.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFc4wCpvSo

On the audio tape, you don't even hear Sarah Obama. You hear an African translator, who gets confused when asked a leading question about Obama's birth. The birthers ignore or leave out the part of the tape where the translator tries to correct the error. Here's the transcript of what is said later in the tape.

MCRAE: OK I’m sorry. I, I thought she said she was present when he was born. I was—

TRANSLATOR OGOMBE (sounding exasperated): No, no! The, the woman was not present. She was uh not, a what–you see, she was here in Kenya, and Obama was born in America. That is, that’s obvious.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/03/sarah-ob…

So you Right Wing nuts need to just shut up already and just accept that you have a black president. Nothing is going to change that fact.


Tim
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

As an American married to a non-American, I can assure everyone that it's patently false that both parents must be US citizens. After our daughter was born, I went down to the American consulate (as we live outside the US), provided some documents which verified my US citizenship and my daughter received her certification of US citizenship, a Social Security card, and a US passport. People just making stuff up on a website gets to be a bit ridiculous.


stop7997
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

These birthers aren't interested in the truth. There's nothing in the Constitution to support their definition of “natural born”, yet I've seen them repeat this lie over and over again, even when corrected.

I say, let them sue. In fact, I STRONGLY urge every birther to spend every penny they can beg, borrow or steal (I doubt any of them can hold down a job) and every waking minute of their empty lives to drag this thing through the legal system. The winners, in the long haul, will be the conservative trial lawyers who are unscrupulous enough to take the case.


WeezieJefferson
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

That is hilarious. ZOMFG ACORN (blar blar blarrrrrggggghhhhh!!!11!!!)


WeezieJefferson
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

Please, PLEASE keep up your – ahem – work. It is very entertaining. Better than the Hillary-Shot-Vince-Foster schtick.


WeezieJefferson
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

You know, I think this is all a bunch of anxiety about their manhood – particularly their white manhood. The fact that an attractive, intelligent woman married and conceived a child with a black man – and that child grew up to be president is just fucking WRONG to them. I have even heard the birthers try to claim that she was kidnapped, spirited to Africa and raped.

They will never stop trying to say this guy is “illegitimate” because to them, the coupling of his parents is to disgusting to contemplate.


Abbypie
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

Yes it probably doesn't bother those that don't pay taxes………..


Abbypie
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

If we are chasing after a birth certicate we aren't looking into acorn.
Billions of tax payer dollars!
Acorn is under investigation in numberous states.
Even the insiders are starting to talk.
http://www.acorn-8.net


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Heavy hitter Im Proud to be an “Natural Borned Native AMERICAN” Why do you keep trying to make points by calling fellow americans names just because I have dented the armour of your fearful leader.That there are people out there who know and follow the laws of the contitution.I can't help if you have hooked your dreams and aspirations to a man who doesn't qualify for the job he stole ,by using hard money ,and a loop hole in the requirements on Illinos to vett anyone for office of goverment.(They just take anyone's word for your american citizenship?)Well I just call them like I see them and I won't belittle you for not being able to confront me on a inteligent level,to shine the light on the darkness and defend this country with my sweat and life,if called to do so?WILL YOU ! I hope when it is all over with I hope you or I will still be Loyal Americans,not someone who disses us to communists and dictators,socialist,who would deny us our rights under the Contitution.Keep swing Heavy Hitter?but a hillbilly?lol sticks and stones?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

Please, he already showed his birth certificate and it did not convince you to take off your tinfoil hat. Please don’t pretend that there is anything he could do to stop your crankery. Just embrace the fact that you are a crank and will always be one as long as there is a “negro” (zomg!!1!) in the white house.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Oh, and not everything that you conceive in your cracked mind is an “argument”. I would not dignify the crazy birthers as “debatable”. More like “point-and-laughable”.


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

the 2 Hawaiian officials couldn't verify the authenticate his b/c,for 1 he isn't an expert,and 2 hewasn't there when he was borned,The fact that he saw a paper that says he was borned there has to be a C.O.L.B that and a quarter couldn't get a candy bar.as for the so called judges they are obivously bought and paid for,what that don't happen?as far as flying 2 people one a heavy pregant woman?lol how heavy does a whte skinny 18 year old weighs,I guess you haven't seen his mothers nude photos on the internet?She was never heavy?lol she did in fact return to Hawaii after his brith and they have flights to and from Hawaii and sourronding countries,she could have charted a plane?lol You ask why would a white woman leave college ?For a Black man? You have never heard stories that women have given up careers,and everything else for love?man you got to be kiddinh me?lol As for his father being afraid of being found out?he didn't care he was getting the booty from both,they were living in the same house ,because the frist Mrs.Obama wouldn't divorce him,just because he was drunken muslium that couldn't keep it in his pants,besides Haven't you ever heard the old saying”there is no such thing as a married man 100 miles from home and that is the very reason Ann Dunham/Obama left him and divorced him because he was a married and wouldn't divorce her?Man give me a harder ones than these resaons?man they aren't even viable arguements for your side?lolAs for the father citizenship doesn't matter because of the 14th amendment.Does make you a citizen,but It will not let you hold the office of the president of the USA art,2sec,1. the wong case was in1884 and He couldn't be a citizen because it says both parents must be citizens and they weren't and she was a minor?No minor can confer rights to anyone.The Hawaiian law states anyone can get a C.O.L.B.that is not a B/C.this latter statue does not apply to a 1961 case file?It only accepts the fact that a person was borned there.How many Hospitals do you know of that waits a week to record briths?my vital satatics was filled out and on file “BEFORE I LEFT THE HOSPITAL”not a week later?and your problem is what you said quote”WE have to assume”in verifying facts asuming just makes an ass out of you and me.If I assumed you were black would that be a true statement?NO niether can we asume these unsubstanated facts that are listed on his C.O.L.B or in his book .but his grand mother was asked several times and until the translater realized the man on the phone questions would harm the grandsons position he tried to get her to say no? It was the translater who was trying to change her mind for her. Fact? As for the COlb being accepted as a factual doucment I could get one and that's all I would have to do to prove the COLB isn't a aurthorized doucment to be used for any legal useage?The only reason it is filed on the 8th of August and not on his actual brithday is the Fact he wasn't in the country at the time of his brith and when Obama's momma was able to get there was after she was released from Proninical Coast hospital in Mombassa,Kenya and then flew to Hawaii a week later and filled out the COLB?Like I said before you don't go to a hospital and have a baby and don't register the brith while you are in said hospital,but wait over a week to register a brith,Its done by the ATTENDING DOCTOR while in the Hospital? they have to know who it was that did the delievery?This is how Hospitals do things.Only the fact remains that he was borned somewhere else and she had to fill out it her self and send it in to get his COLB?That would explain the time between the actual brith and the time it was recorded over a week later.When it comes to the Contitution WE brithers won't assume anything?we just want him to prove it by showing all his papers.Then we'll see whos being misled?and by who?


WeezieJefferson
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

Yeah sure. Those who actually want their tax dollars to help their fellow Americans are just “lazy and shiftless”. Way to trot out that old saw. I am fairly certain that I am better educated and earn more than you ever will (not that I am knocking your Wal-Mart greeter job and your side business selling herbal Viagra – way to go, buddy.)


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

Yes she did ,but Tim try and let her run for the office of president and see what happens? she is a natural citizen but not having “BOTH parents to which even Obama has agreed that it states that it must be “BOTH” as for getting a SSI number Obama's Anut has one and she is an Illegall alien under a deportation order since 2004,she lived on public funds and housing.yet Obama says he never knew where she was,now she is still here fighting deportation living in Cleveland? As for making this up ?you can't make this stuff up it's all there even Obama has said as much(in his books)


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

I guess you shipped the Article 2 section 1 paragragh 5?and all the laws you Obmamabots have given are Immagration laws,not Contitution law FYI


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

Thanks for the video i watched it and I too agree? Please to do not faulter in doing your duty?it was said “The only thing good men must do for evil to triumph is for good men to do NOTHING?
Speak the truth and it will Make you free!


lightstab
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

I am not talking about immigration law. The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution established that people born in the United States are natural born citizens. And do you know why the Fourteenth Amendment was enacted? To give former slaves natural born status. Racists were arguing back then that former slaves were not natural born citizens because their parents were not citizens before the Civil War.

Now you birthers are using the EXACT same argument as ancient Southern racists to deny another black man his natural born status as an American citizen.

Get over it. You guys lost. Obama won. He is president. Nothing you can do is going to change that. The constitution requires two things to be president. The presient must be born in the country and he must be thirty-five. Obama meets both those requirements. There is no requirement for his parents to be citizens, so get over it.


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

Gibbs is Obama Court jester?he wouldn't speak the truth if it was about to bite him in the posterio end of his—-?He's the monkey they put there to spread the infro through a 3 ard party which they want you to swallow hook line and sinkerThey have decided where he was borned,but they have also changed it 4 times “In one day?sorry you missed the poy party on the white house lawn.that really convinced me he was borned there LMAO?


dillonmacdonald
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

You're wrong. Perhaps you should do some more research.

Everyone born on U.S. soil doesn't have American citizenship. What about children of diplomats? They don't get citizenship.


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

That and he gave millions to Africa for abortions and for some trees that are to be planted there.Thats what they need alright,not to mention the 900million he is giving to Hamas for a war they started and was afraid to fight so they hide their,guns their butts in Mosque and stole the food sent in to serve all the people of Gaza for themselves and refused to return all they stole.Simply claiming “I thought it was our supplies?yeah from trucks with Nato signs on them?B.S?also funding stem cell reseach to allow women to “DONATE” THEIR EGGS FOR 10,000 dollars.To grow the stem cells from embroys they create in the lab to destroy later to harvest stemcells? I just hope the women of America don't fall for this way to “DONATE” eggs just to have them fertilized then murder them,for their cells.Or paying the Taliban to stop the fighting.they just rearm and let us buy thier bullets that kill our service men and women,.Or the Bail out,the Tarp,the biggest scam Goldman/Sach has made millions off theses.check their stocks?Obama is using the CLOVEN/PIVEN Theory to bankrupt America,just like they did in NYC. with in one year they were bankrupt? Obama is the Acorn.


lightstab
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

So now you're saying that Obama was the son of a diplomat? You guys need to get your stories straight. The children of diplomats is an exception to the rule, due to the fact that embassies are considered sacrosanct and an extension of the diplomat's home country, but the Fourteenth Amendment established anyone born on U.S. soil, even the children of immigrants, are natural born U.S. citizens.

The constitution says nothing about both of a president's parents being U.S. citizens. There are two requirements to be president of the United States. You must be born in the country and you must be thirty-five. We could add a third requirement if you want. You have to win the presidency by popular vote.

Obama fulfills all those requirements. And he better yet, his mother was an U.S. citizen, so you birthers don't have a leg to stand on.


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

yes you did when you started posting your insane veiws of who is or isn't capable,who you being a wannbe doctor that you can tell who is mentally ill or those who are just uninformed,as you most definetly are.To resort to name calling and other immature jesters of your limited volcabulary and lack of understanding of the rights of “ALL” americans and the Contitution that gives me and unforunately you the right to voice your brain washed mind that Obama has caused you to believe.I would tell you to click your heels together 3 times and say there's is no place like Obamaville and see what happens,Nothing because you don't have the ruby slippers?LMAO?


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Yes it is and the other 5 reasons he is not qualifed to be president


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

The key here is for slaves to be natural borned,They are prohibbited from seeking office of the Pontus at that time?your talking about “CIVIL RIGHTS? NOT CONTITUTIONAL LAW?BIG DIFFERENCE? Read art 2 sec 1 paragraph 5
As for not doing anything about it ?YOU ARE JUST MISINFORMED?HE was just INDICTED FOR TREASON MAY 13th 2009 (FILE NUMBER:09R81 of the supreme court.?now what was that
?Can't do what


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Did you know the goverment forced them to take the Bail out?YES It that SOCIALIST THING keeps popping up?


lightstab
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Dude, I know you're just trolling, but you do understand that the Fourteenth Amendment is part of the constitution, right? Of course you do.

And I've read the section you keeping repeating. It says:

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Obama is over the age of thirty-five and was born in the country to a U.S. citizen. Notice that the above says nothing about both of Obama's parents being citizens. He is eligible.


dillonmacdonald
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

You're wrong again.

Do you really think all diplomat's children are delivered on the physical premises of their respective Embassy? Even if they're born in a city hospital, they're still not U.S. citizens. They have to be born “under the authority of the US government.”

Some have argued that the diplomat exception also applies to “anchor babies” of illegal immigrants. I think that argument does have some merit. Illegal immigrants are here illegally; they are not “under the authority of the US government.”

Also, I never said Obama was the son of a diplomat. I just said your statement was incorrect.

Once again, not everyone born on American soil is a U.S. citizen.


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Check out the law of nationsVattel1758chapter19 section212?


runninbear
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

It won't be long the terroists will have rights the citizens of the USA.Obama is having soldiers mirrandize Afgan prisioners of war?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:08 am

You Sir, are a sad little man. Offer something that is important, or shut
the fuck up. Offer facts and stop posting like a child.

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Anonymous
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:08 am

You Sir, are a sad little man. Offer something that is important, or shut
the fuck up. Offer facts and stop posting like a child.

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Abbypie
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

$140 billion dollars stuck in the bailout bill! Along with 9000 other pieces of pork. Every democrat wish for the last 30 years. Thanks democrats!
But than again democrat waste money all the time when it isn't theirs.
$480 BILLION!
$1,000,000,000,000 deficit and still a half million job lose last week.
If you lost your house you can always go and live with Nancy's mouse. Nancy Pelosi stuffed $30 million into the stimulus bill to benefit an endangered mouse …
How many babies could have seen the doctor with that $30 million dollars?


lightstab
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

“Once again, not everyone born on American soil is a U.S. citizen.”

The Fourteenth Amendment and the Supreme Court case known as the United States v. Wong Kim Ark, would disagree with that statement.

And besides, Obama was not born to immigrants or diplomats. He was born to an American citizen, so he is still a natural born citizen.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:25 am

Yeah because saying “shut the fuck up” is the absolute height of maturity.

Clown.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:25 am

Yeah because saying “shut the fuck up” is the absolute height of maturity.

Clown.


deadpammy
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Are you kidding me with this? This is how you counteract an argument? Wow…just wow.

All Barry has to do is show the bc and all this will stop. But maybe this is above his pay scale.


Abbypie
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

P.S. I would like to see an acounting of where Nancy's mouse money went.
Hope it didn't go to Air America like the money alloted to the Boy's and Girl's club.
Bronx-based Gloria Wise Boys and Girls Club nearly shut down major programs recently, because almost $500,000 in governmental grant money was instead diverted to Air America's liberal radio network.


by whatright
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

If anyone really wanted to get Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth …it is easy. In fact, there are thousands of folks who can see it and inspect it.

His birth certificate is not sealed. Per §338-18 Disclosure of records. inspection of public health statistics records is available to “ a person having a common ancestor with the registrant” …that includes Bush and Cheney.

Hawaii has two documents related to birth:

1. Certificate of Live Birth

2. Certification of Live Birth

§338-1 Definitions of terms. “Public health statistics” includes the registration, preparation, transcription, collection, compilation, and preservation of data pertaining to births, adoptions, legitimations, deaths, fetal deaths, morbidity, marital status, and data incidental thereto.

So that broad definition includes “Certificates of Live Birth”.

The “Certificates of Live Birth” is the original historical document completed at the time of the birth, at the hospital, and signed by the doctors and related parties.

The Certification of Live Birth is a computer generated letter that certifies the existence of the first document.

And if you don’t believe me…just go to this website.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

and read the following……….

Primary Documents
Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

THE PROBLEM is that it has been proven that Hawaai has issued the second document for Hawaiian residents NOT ACTUALLY BORN IN HAWAII! Only the first document can establish if that is the case or not for Obama. While Obama has produced the second document, he absolutely refuses to produce the first document. Until he does, the number of “birthers” as you like to call them will grow in number. The fact that it would be so easy to produce the first document, and end the debate, is fuel for the fire.

Barry has only produced a “Certification of Live Birth”

So just get one of the thousands that are a common ancestor with the registrant (Barry) to examine his Certificate of Live Birth.

I don’t get it…why has this not been done?


by whatright
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

If anyone really wanted to get Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth …it is easy. In fact, there are thousands of folks who can see it and inspect it.

His birth certificate is not sealed. Per §338-18 Disclosure of records. inspection of public health statistics records is available to “ a person having a common ancestor with the registrant” …that includes Bush and Cheney.

Hawaii has two documents related to birth:

1. Certificate of Live Birth

2. Certification of Live Birth

§338-1 Definitions of terms. “Public health statistics” includes the registration, preparation, transcription, collection, compilation, and preservation of data pertaining to births, adoptions, legitimations, deaths, fetal deaths, morbidity, marital status, and data incidental thereto.

So that broad definition includes “Certificates of Live Birth”.

The “Certificates of Live Birth” is the original historical document completed at the time of the birth, at the hospital, and signed by the doctors and related parties.

The Certification of Live Birth is a computer generated letter that certifies the existence of the first document.

And if you don’t believe me…just go to this website.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

and read the following……….

Primary Documents
Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

THE PROBLEM is that it has been proven that Hawaai has issued the second document for Hawaiian residents NOT ACTUALLY BORN IN HAWAII! Only the first document can establish if that is the case or not for Obama. While Obama has produced the second document, he absolutely refuses to produce the first document. Until he does, the number of “birthers” as you like to call them will grow in number. The fact that it would be so easy to produce the first document, and end the debate, is fuel for the fire.

Barry has only produced a “Certification of Live Birth”

So just get one of the thousands that are a common ancestor with the registrant (Barry) to examine his Certificate of Live Birth.

I don’t get it…why has this not been done?


bywhatright
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

If anyone really wanted to get Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth …it is easy. In fact, there are thousands of folks who can see it and inspect it.

His birth certificate is not sealed. Per §338-18 Disclosure of records. inspection of public health statistics records is available to “ a person having a common ancestor with the registrant” …that includes Bush and Cheney.

Hawaii has two documents related to birth:

1. Certificate of Live Birth

2. Certification of Live Birth

§338-1 Definitions of terms. “Public health statistics” includes the registration, preparation, transcription, collection, compilation, and preservation of data pertaining to births, adoptions, legitimations, deaths, fetal deaths, morbidity, marital status, and data incidental thereto.

So that broad definition includes “Certificates of Live Birth”.

The “Certificates of Live Birth” is the original historical document completed at the time of the birth, at the hospital, and signed by the doctors and related parties.

The Certification of Live Birth is a computer generated letter that certifies the existence of the first document.

And if you don’t believe me…just go to this website.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

and read the following……….

Primary Documents
Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

THE PROBLEM is that it has been proven that Hawaai has issued the second document for Hawaiian residents NOT ACTUALLY BORN IN HAWAII! Only the first document can establish if that is the case or not for Obama. While Obama has produced the second document, he absolutely refuses to produce the first document. Until he does, the number of “birthers” as you like to call them will grow in number. The fact that it would be so easy to produce the first document, and end the debate, is fuel for the fire.

Barry has only produced a “Certification of Live Birth”

So just get one of the thousands that are a common ancestor with the registrant (Barry) to examine his Certificate of Live Birth.

I don’t get it…why has this not been done?


by whatright
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

If anyone really wanted to get Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth …it is easy. In fact, there are thousands of folks who can see it and inspect it.

His birth certificate is not sealed. Per §338-18 Disclosure of records. inspection of public health statistics records is available to “ a person having a common ancestor with the registrant” …that includes Bush and Cheney.

Hawaii has two documents related to birth:

1. Certificate of Live Birth

2. Certification of Live Birth

§338-1 Definitions of terms. “Public health statistics” includes the registration, preparation, transcription, collection, compilation, and preservation of data pertaining to births, adoptions, legitimations, deaths, fetal deaths, morbidity, marital status, and data incidental thereto.

So that broad definition includes “Certificates of Live Birth”.

The “Certificates of Live Birth” is the original historical document completed at the time of the birth, at the hospital, and signed by the doctors and related parties.

The Certification of Live Birth is a computer generated letter that certifies the existence of the first document.

And if you don’t believe me…just go to this website.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

and read the following……….

Primary Documents
Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

THE PROBLEM is that it has been proven that Hawaai has issued the second document for Hawaiian residents NOT ACTUALLY BORN IN HAWAII! Only the first document can establish if that is the case or not for Obama. While Obama has produced the second document, he absolutely refuses to produce the first document. Until he does, the number of “birthers” as you like to call them will grow in number. The fact that it would be so easy to produce the first document, and end the debate, is fuel for the fire.

Barry has only produced a “Certification of Live Birth”

So just get one of the thousands that are a common ancestor with the registrant (Barry) to examine his Certificate of Live Birth.

I don’t get it…why has this not been done?


by whatright
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

If anyone really wanted to get Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth …it is easy. In fact, there are thousands of folks who can see it and inspect it.

His birth certificate is not sealed. Per §338-18 Disclosure of records. inspection of public health statistics records is available to “ a person having a common ancestor with the registrant” …that includes Bush and Cheney.

Hawaii has two documents related to birth:

1. Certificate of Live Birth

2. Certification of Live Birth

§338-1 Definitions of terms. “Public health statistics” includes the registration, preparation, transcription, collection, compilation, and preservation of data pertaining to births, adoptions, legitimations, deaths, fetal deaths, morbidity, marital status, and data incidental thereto.

So that broad definition includes “Certificates of Live Birth”.

The “Certificates of Live Birth” is the original historical document completed at the time of the birth, at the hospital, and signed by the doctors and related parties.

The Certification of Live Birth is a computer generated letter that certifies the existence of the first document.

And if you don’t believe me…just go to this website.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

and read the following……….

Primary Documents
Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

THE PROBLEM is that it has been proven that Hawaai has issued the second document for Hawaiian residents NOT ACTUALLY BORN IN HAWAII! Only the first document can establish if that is the case or not for Obama. While Obama has produced the second document, he absolutely refuses to produce the first document. Until he does, the number of “birthers” as you like to call them will grow in number. The fact that it would be so easy to produce the first document, and end the debate, is fuel for the fire.

Barry has only produced a “Certification of Live Birth”

So just get one of the thousands that are a common ancestor with the registrant (Barry) to examine his Certificate of Live Birth.

I don’t get it…why has this not been done?


by whatright
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

If anyone really wanted to get Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth …it is easy. In fact, there are thousands of folks who can see it and inspect it.

His birth certificate is not sealed. Per §338-18 Disclosure of records. inspection of public health statistics records is available to “ a person having a common ancestor with the registrant” …that includes Bush and Cheney.

Hawaii has two documents related to birth:

1. Certificate of Live Birth

2. Certification of Live Birth

§338-1 Definitions of terms. “Public health statistics” includes the registration, preparation, transcription, collection, compilation, and preservation of data pertaining to births, adoptions, legitimations, deaths, fetal deaths, morbidity, marital status, and data incidental thereto.

So that broad definition includes “Certificates of Live Birth”.

The “Certificates of Live Birth” is the original historical document completed at the time of the birth, at the hospital, and signed by the doctors and related parties.

The Certification of Live Birth is a computer generated letter that certifies the existence of the first document.

And if you don’t believe me…just go to this website.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

and read the following……….

Primary Documents
Birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth and Certifications of Live Birth) and Certificates of Hawaiian Birth are the primary documents used to determine native Hawaiian qualification. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.

THE PROBLEM is that it has been proven that Hawaai has issued the second document for Hawaiian residents NOT ACTUALLY BORN IN HAWAII! Only the first document can establish if that is the case or not for Obama. While Obama has produced the second document, he absolutely refuses to produce the first document. Until he does, the number of “birthers” as you like to call them will grow in number. The fact that it would be so easy to produce the first document, and end the debate, is fuel for the fire.

Barry has only produced a “Certification of Live Birth”

So just get one of the thousands that are a common ancestor with the registrant (Barry) to examine his Certificate of Live Birth.

I don’t get it…why has this not been done?


Abbypie
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

According to politico today
“A series of bailouts, bank rescues and other economic lifelines could end up costing the federal government as much as $23 trillion, the U.S. government’s watchdog over the effort says – a staggering amount that is nearly double the nation’s entire economic output for a year”.
They could have sent this money right to each american citizen and accomplish more!


peter0009
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Not to worry folks.

The great Nancy Pelosi “certified” Obama's constitutional eligibility to be President (in Aug. 28, 2008). Now really, what more proof would anyone want(?).

http://itooktheredpill.wordpress.com/2009/01/05…

Does that explain WHY dear Nancy drafts all Obama's absurd special interest proposals?


mike
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

wow…just wow…are you “birthers” for real? Just what color is the sky in your private worlds? Are rational people allowed to visit or do you just hang with the other wingnuts? President Obama is an American, not a Kenyan. President Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim. George Bush and Dick Cheney did not plan the distruction of the world trade centers and yes it was a hijacked plane that hit the pentagon, not a missle. The Clintons did not murder Foster. Bush Sr. did not straife enemy life boats. The world is round not flat. Yes we did in fact land on the moon, it was not staged in a studio. Yes the world is billions of years old, not 5000 years. No there is not an Easter Bunny or Santa Clause they are just stories for children and I guess now, “birthers.”
Pretty scary to think some of you actually vote. Maybe as some people suggest, we should have a critical thinking requirement for all potential voters.
Please try to get some rest real soon. I'm worried about you.
Until later,
Mike B
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mike
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

Hey runninbear, you posted “and I won't belittle you for not being able to confront me on a inteligent level' If you are going to challenge someone else’s “Intelligence” maybe you should check your grammar and spelling first, it certainly doesn't lend much weight to your position. Kind of like crying hysterically to someone else that they need to stop crying.
Cheers,
Mike B


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

Well, y'see, Abbypie, if they'd divvied up that money and sent it “right to each american citizen,” that would've been INFLATIONARY.

Putting it into the hands of the banksters WASN'T supposed to be inflationary.

That's because….

Uh, it's because….

Well, you know what I mean, don't you? It's not inflationary to dump all that counterfeit into the hands of the stuffed suits at the banks instead of giving it to the common pee-pul because….

Oh, damn. It's inflationary no matter how you slice it, isn't it?


runninbear
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Hey Mike
I'll do what Obama does? Im blaming in on my teleprompter?I never knew that spelling was a sign of intellect,Some of the wisest people have misspelled words, How long did it take to check your spell check on that one,Well you got me, it's not my spellin you should be worried about, it's Obama. When he takes all your rights guns,money and freedom of speech,and taxes you and your furture children,for everything under the sun, besides it's not my spellin thats bad it's these little keys,,If my spellin worries you just tell me who does your proof reading?lol It sounds like you may have been to College? Hey Mike try this brain teaser. “Railroad crossing” with out any cars can you spell that without any R's?lol because when Obama gets through “that”s all we will be able to do play games,with each other? YOUR MOVE!Keamasabby!


runninbear
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 12:39 am

Ive also read what you refer to 14th amendment,was after the civil war to give blacks due process? to be able to sue and not be treated as chattel(property),they were given citizen ship in the broadest sense of the word?not for what is the case for Obama.
TROLLING?Gee I thought I was expressing my contitutional rights guarnteed under the articles of said doucment,by 13th,14th, and 15th amendments.Im not fishing! This is a very real attack on our oldest and finest doucment men has ever yet to better,Its details our core values that all Americans are created equal!.Call me all the names you want? but keep the focus on the real enemy?The ones who is destroying the American dream,


runninbear
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:10 am

It wasn't to bail out home owners and citizens that needed help.It was a bank and loan bail out,?That gave subprime mortages higher values than they were worth,and got caught making deals for the buyers just for the fees that they were bringing in?Bush tried to stop them?Franks and the rest played it off and called him crazy?yeah like a “FOX”.Everybody who was there knows.Goverment forced them to take the money?Hey some have already paid the loans back and they used the money for bonuses and raises?It's Obamamanomics? If they won't take it force them


weazymom
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:41 am

Insane. Absolutely Insane.


weazymom
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:44 am

I did get a kick out of that! I don't understand why it is that these right wingers can't spell. Either it's the same people posting under a whole slew of user names, or the Republican Party is full of uneducated cry-babies. Maybe both?


weazymom
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:48 am

Are you an American citizen? You don't seem too familiar with the English language. It really is very helpful to learn English.


kerryrogers
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:55 am

Obama is a socialist and as far as him being an American. He's Not but I am not sure there is anyway for prove it. My wife was born in indonesia. she know a Muslim when she see's one.
Obama is totaly linked with people that we have been at war with for a long time. He is even linked with Al-kita. We have to stand up to him and his socialist network. The time is now to fight back.


Sigmonde
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:09 am

The most transparent President ever…

Occidental College records — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None
Baptism? certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
Original, vault copy birth certificate — Not released
Certification of Live Birth —? Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Punahou School records — Not released


runninbear
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 2:11 am

weaymom
What? Is that the best thing you can come up with,Id rather you just come out and call me names and yes Im a Native American and the fact that you have to ask shows your limited abilty of yours to express and articulate your reasons for standing up with and voting for a socialist like Obama.When you know as little about my ablity,than you do of yours for you have shown for voting for a British borned,Kenyan,and Indonesian citizen just because he's half black?Now THAT”S INSANE! so weazymom.If all you can do,just call me names saying QUOTE “Insane,absolutely insane,did anyone ever tell you one word doesn't a sentence make,and you should have used a comma instead of a period.But no ones perfect if we were no one would have voted for Obama and we couldn't have met to excahange ideals,Insane absoutely insane!.


jeffo123
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

Hey Lou,
Check this out. The very first executive order Obama signed. Why so important?

http://fas.org/sgp/obama/presidential.html


iaresmart
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

WHERE IS KERRYROGERS'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE? It has been FOURTEEN HOURS AND HE OR SHE OR IT HAS NOT PRODUCED IT. I can only conclude that KERRYROGERS IS A SOCIALIST BLACK KENYAN.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Yawn!!

Evidence why you guys are are called wingnuts!

Emphasis on “nuts”…

FYI, I didn’t say Wood would be courtmartialed, I said sentiment amongst military types was someone who abused his uniform for political purposes (screwing someone else in the service, who was forced to deploy on short notice to take his place) should be court-martialed.

At any rate, his military career is kaput!

And meanwhile, the Birfers just keep getting laughed out of court!

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birther
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Liberals don't have an answer when you confront them about, “Why don't liberals ask Obama to produce or release his records including his Original Birth Certificate?” They don't want to.

They can't.

Obama and the liberals doesn't want to do the RIGHT thing. The good thing. They prefer to do the EVIL thing which is to lie and misinform the people or just do:

“When liberals can't defend their position in a debate about issues, what do they do? Use name calling, mudslinging, attack the person, demonize the person, change the subject, throw out a red herring, use faulty logic, attack God and religion, try to create a scene, talk louder and longer, use repetition, curse, play a race card and the best one I love the most is I don’t believe in God and I don’t know what right or wrong is.” Check Mate.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Tsk. The “sentiments” of which you speak (notwithstanding the fact that the “military types” with whom I’m personally acquainted would very much like to see Barry Soetoro strung up by his own guts; watch the Marine enlisted man standing at the side of the hatch when Mr. Soetoro exits Marine One, and look at what he does NOT do when your Mombasa Messiah passes by him) do not rise to the level at which the Judge Advocate General’s office is ever going to bring charges against Major Cook.

Should this “Where’s that bastard’s birth certificate?” phenomenon begin to impact upon troopers and officers held over in “stop-loss” measures, or reluctant to deploy – and the Pentagon is really sweating over this – as a sort of “Get Out of War Free” card, there may be courtsmartial.

And then the Pentagon will have to go to their unconstitutional Commander-in-Chief, and say, “Uh, Boss? We’ve GOTTA have that birth certificate now. Did you ever really have one?”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:13 am

Tsk. The “sentiments” of which you speak (notwithstanding the fact that the “military types” with whom I’m personally acquainted would very much like to see Barry Soetoro strung up by his own guts; watch the Marine enlisted man standing at the side of the hatch when Mr. Soetoro exits Marine One, and look at what he does NOT do when your Mombasa Messiah passes by him) do not rise to the level at which the Judge Advocate General’s office is ever going to bring charges against Major Cook.

Should this “Where’s that bastard’s birth certificate?” phenomenon begin to impact upon troopers and officers held over in “stop-loss” measures, or reluctant to deploy – and the Pentagon is really sweating over this – as a sort of “Get Out of War Free” card, there may be courtsmartial.

And then the Pentagon will have to go to their unconstitutional Commander-in-Chief, and say, “Uh, Boss? We’ve GOTTA have that birth certificate now. Did you ever really have one?”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:23 am

Quite the little echo chamber circle jerk you two have going on over here.
Perhaps you should get a room.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:23 am

Quite the little echo chamber circle jerk you two have going on over here.
Perhaps you should get a room.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:29 am

That’s a real pretty hat you got there.

I’m sure the aluminum will work just as well as tin did.


FreeTruth
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:32 am

Counterfeit long form B.C. is being prepared as we speak..Just needs a little more aging…But the socialist poser we have today as acting president could quote Stalin as the gospel and the pandering toothless press will fall all over one another to defend him…How sad…


Nadia
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 1:03 am

John McCain was born in Panama. Where is the outrage?


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 1:13 am

The U.S. constitution clearly stated that any negro born in Hawaii in the 1960s in NOT ELGIBLE to be president!

The copies of the constitution now online have all been changed in 2006 by the democrat communist conspiracy to omit this clause.

I have in my possesion one of the few remaining original copies from before the dumbocrats changed it. Its a jpeg I received last April 1st and it is in a secure location


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 1:21 am

In 1939 Panama was actually a state. Thus McCain is a Natural Born Citizen.

FDR was a racist and refused to give Panama a star in the flag. The fact that you cant find any 49 star flags is proof!

God you liberal commies are so dumb.

study some history


John
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 1:47 am

Racism at its finest !


Nadia
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 1:54 am

From factcheck.org
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_p…

But McCain is a natural-born citizen, even though he was not born within this country's borders, since his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. As a congressional act stated in 1790:

Congress: “And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens.”


Nora
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:06 am

Dobbs is getting senile. He should retire.


Nadia
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:08 am

Exodus 20:16

“Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor”


ENDIF
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:11 am

Best parody reply I've seen in a long time.
Kudos. XD


ENDIF
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:15 am

AIEEE OBUMMER IZ GONNA GRAB R GUNZ AND RAYP R WYTE WIMMINZ IN FEMA DETH KAMPS!!11


Heather J
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:19 am

I am amazed at the number of liberals who attack others for spelling and grammatical errors! Too funny! I mean have you SEEN or LISTENED TO your own voters in the last election? Day is some dumasses fo sho!


ENDIF
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:20 am

DUR DE DUR NATCHRUL BORNED


GOPBossLimbaugh
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:28 am

I find you are too dumb to debate with!


GOPBossLimbaugh
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:34 am

Sore Looser!

You lost!

Barack Hussein Obama II is YOUR President!

Get over it!!! You racist PIG!

Now, repeat after me: Barack Hussein Obama II is MY President! 10X


GOPBossLimbaugh
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:36 am

Dumb, SORE LOSER!!!

Raging LUNATIC!


Nadia
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:37 am

From factcheck.org
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/how_can_p

But McCain is a natural-born citizen, even though he was not born within this country's borders, since his parents were citizens at the time of his birth. As a congressional act stated in 1790:

Congress: “And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens

Exodus 20:16

“Thou shall not bear false witness against thy neighbor”


RedGraham
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 6:14 am

Obama was never a natural born U.S. citizen. His father was Kenyan, his mother was underage, his granny swears he was born in Kenya and he was adopted by an Indonesian in Indonesia. That image of a COLB from Hawaii is a fabrication. His presidency will be nullified and the usurper will be imprisoned, hanged or deported. If Obama has nothing to hide why is he hiding it?


ph0enix58
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:52 am

Calm down Boss. Florida Christian was obviously joking. Heavy hint may be the jpeg copy of the constitution received on the 1st APRIL


harlequin115
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:19 pm

dillonmacdonald, you're right to argue that diplomats' children are rarely born on the physical premises of their embassies, but that's a miserable precedent to use on any other type of individual. International law states that diplomatic representatives of nations AND THEIR RESPECTIVE FAMILIES are not subject to the law of the nation in which they reside. This is what covers the argument that they are not born 'under the authority of the US government.' To suggest that the same applies to illegal immigrants, or to the Obamas, is ridiculous. The United States government retains total authority over the territory of the United States, and to suggest that illegal immigrants are outside US law would be to provide them with similar rights to those of diplomats–e.g. diplomatic immunity. Seeing as how diplomats cannot be arrested or charged with any crime whatsoever in the United States, I doubt you would want to provide such standards to illegal immigrants–the government certainly doesn't, and so such immigrants ARE under the authority of the US government.

I find it funny that you found the ONLY exception to the application of jus soli in the United States proper, claimed it as an example that lightstab was entirely wrong in arguing jus soli in Obama's case, but then admit that Obama certainly was not one of the TINY group of people to whom such an exception applies. Diplomats are the exception to EVERY law of this nation, or any nation. It doesn't mean that lightstab is wrong, just that you're a small-minded individual trying to cut him down with no real purpose towards the discussion at hand.


imatooner
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

Why don't you produce your own birth certificate? I don't believe you are an American and anything you say and any evidence you provide is just a lie. You are a commie traitor trying to subvert our democracy. In fact you must be a commie from outer space. GD big-eyed alien commie!


xcott
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

That's a mirror.


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imatooner
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

Mike, you are absolutely right. These conservobots are certifiable. Thankfully they are a small minority. When they rise up to 'take back our country' they will be treated like the treasonous anti-Americans that they are.


imatooner
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Perhaps you would like to join the new group out there called the After Birthers. They have to see the placenta before they believe it. OK, I admit it, I'm playing the Stupid card. It's just too easy with you guys.


Andrew_Dobbs
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Umm… if his mom was underage then she was a real prodigy, seeing as she met Obama, Sr. in grad school.

Also suggesting the President be hanged is a pretty serious charge. I'd be worried if you weren't some douchebag sitting at a PC, playing his favorite text-based MMORPG “La Resistance”–a right wing game played by fat, throat bearded reactionary scumbags much like yourself. Still, you should know that the United States Secret Service handles both the protection of the president as well as computer crimes and internet security. Keep putting up posts like this, RedGraham, and for better or worse you'll end up getting a knock at your door pretty soon. They'll probably take their time, seeing as you are a silly little popinjay without the balls to actually fight for anything.

How Obama could have been born in Kenya is also worth considering, seeing as his mother never actually went there. I mean, I'm going from his public bio, but this has been written out not just by BHO and his campaign flacks, but also by journalists and other independent types. And if he was adopted by an Indonesian in Indonesia, why does he still have a Kenyan name? Your theory is positively Ptolomeic in its byzantine inanity.

I also like the way you fiat the fact that his short form birth certificate (which I for one, a native born Texan, can only produce, my “long form” certificate having been lost ages ago) is a fabrication. If they do finally somehow produce a long form certificate, you'll find a way to say that that is fabricated. You people are just like the 9/11 Truthers, JFK assassination buffs, the folks who were sure Karl Rove stole the 2004 election or that Bush was a deserter or Clinton was a Soviet spy and all the other conspiracist cabals out there–you are morons, and dangerous in your stupidity.

I don't like Obama much either–I'm an anarchist, so I can't really like anybody in his position. But if the best you can do is to repeat slanders developed by neonazis (and the earliest promoters of your silly theories are in fact neonazis), you'll be guaranteed to lose. But that'll work for you guys–since your victim game, your self-righteous, self-pitying ressentiment can only be sustained if you never win. You are a parody of yourself, and pathetic.

Oh, and since I actually wrote a comment, I hope nobody will mind if I do a little plug here. I write for a blog The Deliverators and our top post at the moment is on Birtherism, with a link to the Independent. Hope y'all enjoy (except for RedGraham–I hope you hate it, such would be a profound compliment).


Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

Shame he’s already provided his birth certificate…but the tinfoil wingnuts wouldn’t recognize anything he produced, they’re so badly suffering from Obama-Derangement Syndrome!

You’re silly comments about Marine-1 mirror the same silly ones we heard when Clinton was in the White House. I can only think such whacko thinking comforts you during your times of suffering…

ROFLMAO!!!

You remind me of Allan “I’ve Got A Screw Loose” Keynes…when Pilgrim ran down for over 3 minutes all the evidence Obama was born in Honolulu (which, at its heart, is all that matters), and FINALLY turns to him and says “After all this, what do you want here?”
And the nutjob says: “Some evidence”…I almost busted a nut laughing at him! And I wasn’t alone. You can hear the reporters laughing out loud when he says it.

Have to admit, when I start taking politics too seriously, I just go looking for some Birfer articles, and I’m laughing my butt off in minutes! You guys are so comical!

 

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Anonymous
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

Shame he’s already provided his birth certificate…but the tinfoil wingnuts wouldn’t recognize anything he produced, they’re so badly suffering from Obama-Derangement Syndrome!

You’re silly comments about Marine-1 mirror the same silly ones we heard when Clinton was in the White House. I can only think such whacko thinking comforts you during your times of suffering…

ROFLMAO!!!

You remind me of Allan “I’ve Got A Screw Loose” Keynes…when Pilgrim ran down for over 3 minutes all the evidence Obama was born in Honolulu (which, at its heart, is all that matters), and FINALLY turns to him and says “After all this, what do you want here?”
And the nutjob says: “Some evidence”…I almost busted a nut laughing at him! And I wasn’t alone. You can hear the reporters laughing out loud when he says it.

Have to admit, when I start taking politics too seriously, I just go looking for some Birfer articles, and I’m laughing my butt off in minutes! You guys are so comical!

 

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johnm49
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

McCain's parents were both US citizens? Can you prove that?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:26 am

But your beloved Messiah has NOT “already provided his birth certificate.” Not to anyone. That’s the point of this discussion, and why it would come closer to a conclusion were your Mombasa Mahdi to put that supposed 2007 Certification of Live Birth into the hands of a panel of impartial and competent experts in the examination of forensic documents.

You and your fellow moral and mental cripples keep pointing to JPG images of what is supposed to be a valid COLB. Fine. Wonderful.

So where’s the originating document?

The images are nice. So are the images created onscreen by my grandson’s PlayStation.

But those images you love so dearly, doofus, are no more proof of your Messiah’s “natural born” citizen status than the images on my grandson’s TV are broof that he’s a Jedi knight.


jilliana
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Never in American History have I ever witnessed such loonacy. Are you trying to say that President Obama is too smart to be a American Citizen therefore he must be hiding his origin of birth? There is a Department of Vital Statistics in every state in this country and if you want to compare his record of Live Birth to a copy of a Birth Certificate that originates from Hawaii, why don't you ask a Hawaiian of the President's age if you can take a gander at his or her Birth Certificate? I find it bewildering as well as insulting that this has never before occurred in America yet somehow it is thought to be justifiable. It's just as bad as asking a free slave during colonial time to see his freedom papers just to satisfy some newsy individuals who have nothing to do with that persons life. What gives, are we progressing or digressing?


jilliana
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

I don't think he's hiding anything. He's just ignoring, as he should, the ignorance that always seems to rear it's ugly head, in this country full of ugly acting people. If his mother is American, and her parents are American, who gives a rats but that his father was Kenyan and he was adopted by an Indonisian. Hanged is such an awful word and it went out of existence as a punishment some centuries ago. Get you head out of your self made important butt and view the world as it should be. What give you to right to demand that anyone show you anything? Who died and put you in charge? How do you know his certificate of live birth is a fake? Were you there, did you produce it? No, then you don't know jack. You are just speculating and you expect everyone to accept what you say. Even in a court of law you need proff. Get some and stop supposing. That's what's wrong with this country now. Everyone is supposing what they don't know and other people are actually believing the unknown. I'm done this whole mess of nothing is exasperating.


jilliana
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

What! You are not a Christian. You need to check yourself. There is no such clause or was there such a clause ever. Unless you wrote it in with a sharpie marker. Get a grip.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:28 am

Soorrrryyy, but wrong, as wingnuts usually are!

State of HI has certified his certificate as real, accurate and valid. If he were born elsewhere, it would say he was born elsewhere. It doesn’t (sorry, realize you likely can’t comprehend English too well, apparently), it says CITY OF BIRTH = Honolulu. That settles the whole thing right there. He was born in a state in the United States, he’s an American. The state gov’t says the ONLY thing they issue these days is a certificate of live birth (FYI, just checked mine, issued to me decades ago….says “Certificate of Live Birth” and that is the ONLY thing they issued when I was born).

And this stupid claim that because his dad was a Brit citizen is also totally bogus. Chester Arthur’s father was a Brit citizen at the time of his birth. And all existing precedent (none of which are exactly on, but since the USSC seems happy, clearly you’re not qualified to say otherwise) says a child born within a state of the U.S. is an American citizen.

And I’m still waiting for one you whackjobs to explain how not one but TWO Hawaii newspapers published a birth announcement telling us of the birth of baby Obama, published in 1961!!! And the Honolulu Advertiser has confirmed those were NOT placed by parents; they were called in by the State of HI, as was typical back then.

Now I realize common sense is something you clearly lack, but if you’re right, then a poor woman with an African husband in 1961 pulled off the greatest scam in history (not likely), or (Occam’s Razor), Obama was born in Honolulu in 1961, just like all the evidence says. And I’ve seen no explanation of why the people who were their neighbors in 1961 who are still alive have all confirmed they remember his mother, pregnant, just a day or two before the birth, and remember her bringing a baby home a few days later.
Again – either (Occams Razor) he was born in Honolulu in 1961, OR (in whacky wingnut land) his family mananged at 9 months pregnant to get her on a plane, without a passport record, to somewhere, ?Kenya?, and back again in a few days. Leaving no record anywhere!
Boy, were they GOOD!!!
ROFLMAO…AT YOU!!!!

 

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Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Well, to be fair, if you were using a birther as a representative sample of the average citizen, I would definitely see how you could come to the conclusion that Obama is too smart to be a citizen.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:38 am

Yeah, you don’t want that physical, print-on-paper 2007 Hawaii state Certification of Live Birth evaluated by competent forensic documents examiners any more than your Mombasa Messiah does, do you, putzie?

Gawd, you’re sweating. Really gets to you, doesn’t it?


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

You demo commies are stoopid.

You state that Barry was born in “Hawaii”. a supposed “state”. I have never been to this so called “Hawaii” have you? What proof can you offer me that such a place even exists? Just because some web sites have “maps” that show this place is proof of how wide spread this conspiracy is!

wake up people and use some common sense!
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Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:24 am

No, what makes me sweat is the thought that there are actually thousands of Republicans just like you! Absolutely bonkers! Does the idea of a black American as President fill you dickheads with that much terror?

As for this Messiah stuff…I’m an atheist. I worship NO magic beings anywhere. That’s what you dummies do, running around putting up statues of Saint Ronnie Raygunz in every city and town in America, so you can cross yourselves and pray to him every night, desparately hoping he’ll keep you save from the evil Democrats who kicked your asses last two elections! So please, stop pretending anyone views a politican as Godlike EXCEPT you dicks.

I see you ignored every point I made, and reverted to the same trite crap.

How did the witnesses see his mom just before and after his birth in 1961, if he was in Kenya?
How and why did the Dept of Health for HI call in a live birth announcement for child you claim was born in Kenya? in 1961!!!!
Why is the Republican Governor of HI, a McCain supporter, saying its the real, valid, accurate birth certificate, someone she could have taken out of the election just by saying what you claim?
And what or who would examine …examine what? The one that’s been produced already and proclaimed by experts in Hawaiian birth certificates as real and valid? Or are you talking about the one printed in 1961? which the state of HI says was digitized back in 2001, and which it would violate the state’s laws to let anyone in to examine it?

Try actually answering a few common sense questions, else I’ll have to say you’re conceding you’re just spouting total nonsense and are too stupid to realize it.

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Tuci78
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

I suspect that Barry's afterbirth went into a hospital trash can in Mombasa.

Whence it was probably extracted and cooked by a street vendor, to be served en brochette to his customers, with colorful native vegetables and spices.


imatooner
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

Ahh, they ate the evidence… the perfect crime!


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devin
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:40 am

Red, The law only states that to be a citizen at birth you have to be born here. Of course there are other ways fo being a natural born citizen, say like McCain, he was born overseas to two American citizens, which has been in the law since 1791. Red you are unable to show any proof whatsoever that his grandmother 'swears' he was born in Kenya, so why do you believe this? Why do you say it? You also have no evidence that the COLB is a fabrication because there is no evidence of such a thing. It is stamped and sealed and the State of Hawaii stands by it. Hawaii just like my state of Michigan does not give out copies of the long form. My “short-form” had about as much info as Obama's did, including no doctor or hospital. I was surprised and called to make sure it was ok to get a passport and they said yes and it was. They base all the information on that “COLB” on data in their computers, data that is based on the longer forms. It really is that simple. By the way, another thing that gets trampled in all this, is that birth announcement. That birth announcement was not called in by the parents, those announcements come directly from the hospitals to the newspapers.

There is also no evidence he was legally adopted in Indonesia and that wouldn't change his citizenship status in the US anyways. You can check the state dept. website on how one loses their citizenship status and it can't be done as a child, not by will of their parent or by the laws of another nation. He returned to the US at age 10 and went back to school How did he do that? He had a U.S. passport, that is how you get back into the country. It really is that simple.


Nadia
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 1:58 am

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obama…

Obama was born at 7:24 p.m. Aug. 4, 1961, in Honolulu. That should be no surprise, as it merely documents what Obama and his biographers have always said. But the document should put to rest groundless speculation raised on some conservative Web sites that Obama might not have been born in the U.S. and therefore might not qualify under the Constitution as a “natural-born citizen” to be president.


Nadia
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:04 am

Johnm49,
I was only responding to the ridiculous post below indicating that McCain was born in the U.S. because Panama was a state in 1939. Just wondering where was the outrage over McCain's citizenship.


Nadia
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:14 am

Birth certificate of Barack Obama

http://cdn.factcheck.org/imagefiles/Ask%20FactC…


Turner Johnson
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:43 am

I bet Lou Dobbs does not REALLY believe we landed men on the moon.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 2:54 am

Down at the bottom and edging off the page, neliberal had written:

“No, what makes me sweat is the thought that there are actually thousands of Republicans just like you! Absolutely bonkers! Does the idea of a black American as President fill you dickheads with that much terror?

“As for this Messiah stuff…I'm an atheist. I worship NO magic beings anywhere. That's what you dummies do, running around putting up statues of Saint Ronnie Raygunz in every city and town in America, so you can cross yourselves and pray to him every night, desparately hoping he'll keep you save from the evil Democrats who kicked your asses last two elections! So please, stop pretending anyone views a politican as Godlike EXCEPT you dicks.

“I see you ignored every point I made, and reverted to the same trite crap.

“How did the witnesses see his mom just before and after his birth in 1961, if he was in Kenya?

“How and why did the Dept of Health for HI call in a live birth announcement for child you claim was born in Kenya? in 1961!!!!

“Why is the Republican Governor of HI, a McCain supporter, saying its the real, valid, accurate birth certificate, someone she could have taken out of the election just by saying what you claim?

“And what or who would examine …examine what? The one that's been produced already and proclaimed by experts in Hawaiian birth certificates as real and valid? Or are you talking about the one printed in 1961? which the state of HI says was digitized back in 2001, and which it would violate the state's laws to let anyone in to examine it?

“Try actually answering a few common sense questions, else I'll have to say you're conceding you're just spouting total nonsense and are too stupid to realize it.”

Aw, bubchen. Have you ASKED any “common sense questions” that haven't already been answered? Nope. But repetition is no problem.

(1) Witnesses seeing his mom and dad, etc. Source? I had not previously discussed that point, but I'm familiar with much of what's been written on the supposed reliability of people marking the presence of Barry Sr. and Ms. Dunham and their little bundle of joy in Honolulu, though there's a remarkable paucity of information coming from witnesses of his birth at any hospital in that town in 1961. But, then, deliveries of young White mothers married to Kenyan Negroes was so commonplace in America in those days, wasn't it?

(2) How do you expect anyone to believe that the government of the state of Hawaii had placed the information of Barry's birth in Hawaii with the newspapers in Honolulu in 1961 when the only evidence of that action are a couple of microfiche archive files which omit notification of the twin deliveries of Mrs. Nordyke on the same date and in the same hospital in which Barry claims to have been delivered? Have you any primary Hawaii state government records confirming that they had so provided this information to the newspapers?

(3) Why is the current Republican governor of Hawaii to be trusted as a proctor of his “bipartisan” Democrat colleague's probity? Wouldn't it be simpler to assume that if he had anything on Barry, he wouldn't keep it under his vest? Of what blackmail value is evidence deadly to your victim if you just yank it out and wave it around?

(4) And what has been “produced already” of even that supposed 2007 Certification of Live Birth, bubbie? There have been two computer graphic images (June 2008) and some similar images of what the J-school jerkwads at the Annenberg Foundation's FactCheck office had said was a print-out of Barry's COLB. Of qualified and impartial forensic documents experts' examination, there is precisely NOTHING.

So I'm safe in concluding that you're “conceding” now. Right, kiddo?


runninbear
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:20 am

and if you click your heels together and say there's no place like Obamaville 3 times and you might? you might get your wish:this is where if I were to lower myself to the level of of the obamabots name calling it would go like this,A wannabe communistist loving ,socialist,lying muslim, Kenyan,Indonesian,atheist,towel head baby killing pig that ever was spawned ?,but I refuse to lower myself that low.I will just keep trying to prove what we have been saying all along?where's your B/C.and just pony up the proof like every american has gone before you.Dragging it out will only make it hurt worse?when the truth is revealed?


runninbear
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 3:29 am

Semfi?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:15 pm

You mean it’s all there in your mind, right, runninbear? Because you clearly just make shit up as you go along.

That’s consistent from all your posts.

Please post a link, for example, to where you found “BOTH parents to which even Obama agreed that it states that it must be both…”

Or just resolve not to post when you’re not sober. Like I keep telling you.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

What evidence do you have to prove that the world is round not flat?

I’m talking legit evidence. Dont tell me about any of the obvious fakes that have been discussed and shredded by my online newsletter already.

It seems like such a simple request. Just back up what your saying, dude. ANY map that has a certificate (not certification) of authenticity should be able to prove your point, and then this whole thing will be laid to rest.
If you dont want to admit your wrong just say it libtard. Just say your wrong and this whole thing goes away.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:15 am

Birthers are racist.

For those who say birthers aren't racist, I present here a few quotes from Randwulf. They all appeared on one 109 post thread. I haven't bothered to look at any of his racist comments made in other threads, like the one with 2,869 comments. If you fuss about it someone will compile a master list including comments from others as well, and prove you that much MORE wrong.

Oh, and he also gives away birther philosophy. So this is a Birther Rosetta Stone. Every other word after this sentence is a direct quote of Randwulf, and the last quote is a nod to Florida Christian, so enjoy!

“I think he is an Indonesian wetback, an illegal alien in every sense of the word.” [posted twice on same thread, days apart]

“Monkeys are experts on where to find nuts. Aren't they ALFTURD?”

“Monkeyf@cker.”

“Yes like when you call me a “racist”. Turnabout is fair play MONKEYF@CK!”

“But, its all good. Laugh away. Eat bananas and fling pooh! The monkeys can never run the zoo for very long before more advanced primates must move back in, hose down all the $hit and restore order. Looking forward to that!!”

“Wack-a-doodle? Hmm is that some new kind of mongrel breed or something? Why don't you guys run one of them for office! Oh and this time, make sure he has all his records, so we don't have to go through all this again.”

“I don't remember mentioning race at all, so it is you “making it clear” that I must harbor “racist” sentiments.”

“Man have I got a list of who's been naughty and who's been nice. Got ammo?”

[Birther Philosophy revealed below!]

“Whatever they have, we want to see it. We won't stop until we have it. Argument over it is pointless. The original documents will tell all. And then we will go for all the rest of the documents that he refuses to release.”

[Florida Christian Alert!]

“This whole sick episode would have been laid to rest long ago if…”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:18 am

I'd say that this is some of your best work, up there with 666, but you made it too easy by including the last sentence.

Great stuff though! Stay on the meds!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:20 am

Ouch. LMAO, but still. Ouch.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:24 am

You know, the fact that you get to keep doing this, without ever having to argue with birthers, just drives me insane. Lucky bastard! Keep it up. We're compiling a list and ultimately we'll vote on these to see which one comes in second to 666.

You're never gonna top 666.

(Hoping you take that as a challenge, quite obviously.)


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

I guess you havn’t been keeping up , and again Obama lied ?because he said he can remember his granpa and himself standing on the beaches, the people gathering to watch and waved at them.end qoute? how he could see that in “INDONESIA,with is beyond me?because he wasn’t living in Hawaii at the time.he was living “INDONESIA in 1967 and 1969.and he can’t blame this on that evil teleprompter because this is proably the frist the time he has spoken in public without it since they busted the last one?lol.and I won’t even start on the right die medical clause he has in the health care program.


rucb_alum
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:37 am

What a canard! Stanley D. Obama (the president's mother) was an American citizen at the time of the president's birth. That makes him a citizen regardless of where on earth (or off of it) he was born. Why don't you non-believers buy a clue.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Thers’s only one of me that circle jerking is giving you double vision?lolThe only echo chamber your hearing is the wind blowing through your head,hey I would cut back on the circle jerks your cutting off the oxygen to your gray matterif you were amberdextris you wouldn’t get too tired of typing and you could actully dedate and no I didn’t say masterbate,but you have caused me to digress. I’d rather have you answer all the questions john mcCain did,Fact when Obama was asked to provide a his medical records, he gave them a 6 paragraph medical history,John McCain produced 1500 pages,That’s Transparenticy?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

Eh, I have serious doubts that even a socialist black Kenyan would have written “Al-kita.”

The only way that happens is if the person has NEVER read “al-Qaeda.” That's a phonetic spelling and an atrocious one at that.

His wife knows a genius when she sees one. She married him. Don't waste your time on our little Consitutional crisis, genius. Stick with making little geniuses. I need to be sure the country will continue to have cannon fodder for unnecessary war against Muslims.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

“The world is round not flat.” – MikeB

What evidence do you have to prove that the world is round not flat?

I'm talking legit evidence. Dont tell me about any of the obvious fakes that have been discussed and shredded by my online newsletter already.

It seems like such a simple request. Just back up what your saying, dude. ANY map that has a certificate (not certification) of authenticity should be able to prove your point, and then this whole thing will be laid to rest.
If you dont want to admit your wrong just say it libtard. Just say your wrong and this whole thing goes away.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

Hey mom your getting better,actually wrote a sentence and a paragraph.Insane,absoulety,insane?only two insults and only 3 names,FYI IM A DEMOCRAT? are you a registered voter or just trolling like the rest of the obamabots.You got me beat though.Your up by 2 names and 1 insult ? Thank God for spell check huh Weazymom!lol. I see you have a fan club?lol did you and Mikey hook up?oops I guess we’re even on insults?I am glad I have amused you.you don’t realize the pleasure you have given me,to converse with all the Amercian citizens who have stated their case so expertly and so full of No facts,hear say evidence,and a total lack of respect for thoses who have the right and the duty to insure that the America. I have grown up in and have defended with my life and liberty will be that same “AMERICA where my grand children will be proud to live in! and not some Socialistic country Obama is trying to make out of her?I will apolize for the names and comments,it was to prove a point,That No matter who you are no matter where you have come from to be citizens in this great country,that you will have the unalienable rights that are yours guaranteed by the Contitution.SEMFI !


runninbear
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

SO are you! if you even claim that you are proud to be a Native american,as I AM, to a black man ,to what ever you claim as your race,makes you a racist,but to say I am a racist in the sense that you are trying to stereo type us with is as wrong as saying Martin Luther was biggoted racist,or Jerimiah Wright was just a preacher, I respect all races,.I have served my country and have stood up for this belief. I stand for the equallity of every human being,that god has created,who seeks to be able to discuss issues that we believe are real.We have continueually tried to bring this to an end ,but Barrack Obama II aka Barrack Obama jr..aka Barry Obama,aka Barry Soetoro,This guy has had more names than the most harden crimmals that he wants to give amnesty to.Yet all he has to do is produce “all his records just like “EVERY AMERICAN THAT HAS HELD THE OFFICE POTUS”If he had this it wouldn't have been an issue,but he shows his guilt every day he refuses to keep paying lawyers thousands of dollars to suppress the truth.If he had his Long form B/C in his posscession as he claims then he is trying to keep this country divided to throw you off the things he wants to destroy ,beginning with the Contitution! destroying the immagration laws,and infantcide,right down to Acorn trying to manulate the elections.Obama has admitted as much he said so in his speeches,he said he was one of them,three words “CLOVEN/PIVEN Theory”.Look what they did to New York,within a year they had bankrupted the city?He wants a SOCIALIST country,not a republic that embraces democracyand that's the American way?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

Slow down, runninbear. I never said you were a racist. I just said you seemed frustrated, angry and inarticulate. I didn't know you were Native American until you said so. I'm black. That doesn't preclude me from being racist. But let's try to keep straight who called who what.

I'd say that gibberish you were spouting about some guy named Frank and his alleged sexual indiscretions with boys and Barack Obama's mother would need some explaining, for a start-off…

One thing at a time though. HOW can you be a minority group member and be a birther? Do you not see the prejudice and blatant hypocrisy here? What sort of Native American sides with the white guy who's clearly trying to take by force what he could not take by reason?

I grew up in New Mexico and Oklahoma and you are unlike any Native American I have ever met. Not that I'm judging you or saying you're better or worse. Just different. And I'm curious what drives your willingness to side with conspiracy theorists. Please, please put some spaces in there to break up your paragraphs. If you do I'll ease up on teasing you about things that don't really matter. But you have to give me a sincere, non-wild-accusation-making explanation for your birtherism.

Deal?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

lol @ throat bearded. Nice.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

Ok, understood. You'd prefer to be attacked for saying stupid racist shit like “day is some dumasses fo sho.”

Audra Shay, everybody, Audra Shay! All the way from Young Republicans down to our humble little liberal blog.

I'm sure the “dumasses” at RedState won't get on you for not knowing what a gerund is, you racist dolt.


zoomie11
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 12:08 am

Apparently, if Lou Dobbs is right, American citizens think Bush et all screwed stuff up so much we need non citizens to run the country.

Works for me.


runninbear
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:14 am

No you were agreeing with someone calling me a racist just because I am
proud to a native American,and have question their choice of who Obama
claimed he is to the reality of who Obama really is and the fact that one
may not have been as educated as the next , but you chose to insult me right
out of the gate,you didn't get 20 words and you insulted me,Should I be
offended because when Mr.Obama was running for office a Senator They used
the word “ARTICULATE” and because he played the race card it was no longer
politically correct to use such a word that suggested he wasn't but you just
made a judgement on me before you knew more about the bear. ?Please excuse
me while I am very offended and my righteous indignation comes to my
blogs,when some one that doesn't know me calls their fellow Americans names
just because I have seen behind the curtain and have seen the Emperor
without any clothes.and I know where he's from.
My fellow Americans have called their brothers such unwarranted,unproven
names that all we ask is the same for all.to abide by the oldest and the
most important document our our country and just because a half black/half
white man,comes from afar everyone believes hes some kind of ,what did they
call him”Messiah”You used the word “Whitey,Obama is half white and 100%
Muslim.It's not that I mind him being a Muslim,it's the fact that he lied
about being what he called a “Practicing Muslim”,hey your are or your not,He
proved he was a liar when in 2 of his speeches he Recited the “CALL TO
PRAYERS and the Cario speech he read the opening lines in the
Koran,”FLAWLESSLY”have you ever tried to learn a foreign Language,especially
Arabic?
You say where did I dig up that dirt on Obama and family.It wasn't fact
check org.Obama used to be their boss. From the fact that Frank Davis who
was a communist,poet and pedophile, aka Ed Greene wrote in graphic details
of their pedophile the three some he had with his wife and Ann Dunham,she
was 13 at the time.
Hey here a conundrum to think about,Barrack Obama meets and falls in
love,and marries Ann Henry Dunham(her daddy wanted a boy)She goes and leaves
school with her husband(she's in love and becomes pregnant) Barrack Obama
took her home to meet momma,and the other Mrs.Obama.she gets tired of this
and it being 1960early 1961,to use a word you used Momma Obama didn't like
or cotton to her Muslim boy to bring this” Whitey” chick home ,much less he
married her when he already had a wife,but being the Drunken weak minded
Muslim,he wanted his cake and eat it too and Ann Dunham being raised a
communist,wasn't play in second fiddle to her?so by now she is very close to
her due date.she tries to catch a flight home but is refused a ticket
,because she was to close to her due date to take a chance on her going into
labor and without a personal doctor they would refuse to sell her a
ticket,so she has to go to the Provincial Coast Hospital in Mombasa
Kenya,Where Sara Obama was as she on record stated was present at Obama
birth.As soon as Ann can get out of the hospital she and baby fly to
Hawaii,and register the brith and has it in the papers.to show he was in
Hawaii in or on the August 8thand without the rest of the vital information
they print only what was told to them,She then flies back to Kenya and stays
for several years,where Obama in his book writes the passage of remembering
learning how to herd goats,on the grand mothers farm in Kenya.(this is a
time line that proves he could have only have had this memory at the age of
0 to 5 years of age.he and Ann was either in Hawaii or Indonesia,when he
turned 6 he was living as Barry Soetoro adopted son of Lolo Soetoro,in
Indonesia from 1967 to age 10 where he was abandoned on his grandmother.Who
he says was afraid of a black man assertinng himself on a woman for
money,How many black women would be afraid of this scenario(yet Obama called
her a racist)someone who took him in and he used her and threw her under the
bus just like he did JerimiahW.This woman who he said was so poor that she
gave up buying a car so he could attend the best private school in
Hawaii,FYI all though His Grand mother wasn't a college grad she held one of
2 position ever held by a woman that had many college educated personal
under her.She held the position of “VICE PRESIDENT”OF one of the only two
Banks that was in Hawaii.When Obama graduated with low marks,he decides to
visit Momma in “Indonesia where he had been adopted and schooled as a
Muslim(his admittance papers are proof he was a register Muslim.there from
1967 to his 10th birthday.when he had graduated he wants ti see momma and
travels back to Indonesia,where his adopted father who FYI was a
Tomographer,He was sent to Hawaii to learn his trade and when then dictator
ordered all students to their homeland ,because of of expected
trouble,anyway He gets his adopted father to get him a “INDONESIAN
PASSPORT”,only a citizen can attend school or obtain a passport to travel to
a country that the united States had no relations with and every American
was forbidden to travel to.(FYI Indonesian law on adopted children is this
if a child is as young as Obama that child is “AUTOMATICALLY accepted as a
citizen”.) When Obama gets through traveling to all these forbidden
countries he returns to Hawaii and applies for a Foreign student loan,that's
how his daddy got college paid for from the USA?and gets with the help of
Frank Davis,because of their affiliations he and Bill Ayers the
Unrepentant Abortion Bombing terroist that has yet to pay for the murders he
was respondsiable for. and he is hooked up Al Mansour aka DonWarden who was
the mentor for the top three founders of the black panthers,who recently was
aressted for voteing viloations(they were standing in the doors of a offical
polling place swinging batons dressed in blackand was released by
Holder,with so much as a fine?
Well I hope if you read this it will have let you know just a small portion
that I have found out about the man they have called Messiah?and they want
the American people to change their contitution just for this person?and in
the process found out something about the bear?Im a racist for all the
racists and as long as we use words like whitey it will never stop.

As to the information I found out about his travels to Kenya on the
taxpayers money to campaign for his cousin “Bloody” Raila Odingas,Obama
pulled out all the stops in using us clot to change the out come of an
election of his Home country.did the whole campaign trail song and dance,but
still couldn't get his cousin elected to the countries Leader.When Bloody
Odinga “lost” the election he took his ardant supporters and forced 55
penecoatal parishioners in their church and “BURNED THE CHURCH AND THE
PARISHIONERS to the GROUND!and when they finally made him stopped by
offering him a deal to share the Leader ship with him even though the people
didn't elect him(even with Obama's help)he became prime Minister of
Kenya,When the body count was finally totaled there were over 200 deaths?He
Placed a gag order on Sara Obama and has destroyed all records that could
have proved where Obama was born ed.Where every Kenyan newspaper and Ghana
newspaper has published it in their paper,then turned around and changed
it.In wikipedia they changed it 4 times in one day
I hope you have gotten your righteous indignation and find out about who
you and others gave our country too.Americans don't bow to Saudias and lie
about it,we don't go grobe hopping like a movie star bad mouthing US to
communist dictators and terroist,and Ofending our dearest and most TRUSTED
ALLIES in the mideast to disavowing our actions against these forces for the
past 30 years,saying “Don't blame me I was ony 4 ,he was actually6,but whos
counting.If you believe this is un true have Obama UNseal his records and
prove it is?

p.s. My style is all wrong and my words run together
but Obama a liar and fake, just ask his grand mother!

Thank you

RunninBear
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fed_up09
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

What a crock! DId you try to research?

“”the laws on the books in the United States at the time of his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of Obama’s birth, his mother was only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship much less the status of ‘natural born.’ “”


bettyreed
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

I thought Lou Dobbs was a man of honor and intergity not one of the right wing less than human crack pots talking about the President birthplace. same on Mr Dobbs for giving voice to the racist crowd you see on fox news why dont he join the other nutcases on fox news and sprew his hate and racist views to that crowd


ziploked
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

It's not just about citizenship, it's about eligibility to run for President. The law says a President must be born in the U.S. and at least one parent must be a U.S. citizen. That is what caused the flap about McCain–he was born in U.S. Territory (Panama Canal Zone), and not the U.S.

Obama meets both requirements.


american46
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

Dobbs needs to move over to the Fox Channel where faux news rules.


aalarcon
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Lou – do you remember when you and your type thought it would be a good idea to have a non-citizen like Schwarznegger for President…and the question of US citizenship was not a worry?
Please try to be less dishonest, if you have that capacity.


Im Right
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

Lou is right! If you loser lefties would simply demand that your messiah provide proof of his citizenship, you would win the argument, end of story, case closed. But for some reason you can't or won't do it. I can only surmise that the reason B.O. won't provide proof is because HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY!


fed_up09
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

No he doesn't.

Which part of Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution did you not understand???

The individual (Obama) has to have had at least one parent who HAD lived in the U.S. for 10 years AND FIVE of those years HAD to be AFTER the age of 14. His mother was 18 when she gave birth. Look it up.

Also, shortly after that his mother divorced his father, she married (Lolo Sotoero) and moved to Indonesia for several years. This was all at a time when Indonesia did not allow “dual citizenhsip”. So did his mother give up her U.S. Citizenship – because we know he attended school there as a child and at a time when only Indonesian citizens were allowed in schools.

Then there's that pesky paper tail that doesn't exist:

Original birth certificate —Unavailable
Obama/Dunham marriage license -Unavailable
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -Unavailable
Soetoro adoption records- Unavailable
Dept.of Education Hawaii Kindergarten Records—Unavailable
Punahou School records-Unavailable
Occidental College records —Unavailable
Passport (Pakistan) – Unavailable
Columbia College —Unavailable
Columbia thesis —Unavailable
(Topic: Nuclear Disarmament, written during Cold War ’83)
Harvard College records -Unavailable
Harvard Law Review articles —Unavailable
(Evidence that one may have been written, yet it is unsigned)
Baptism certificate —Unavailable
Medical records -Unavailable
Illinois State Senate records -None
Illinois State Senate schedule —Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles – None on file
Indonesian Besuki School Application—Located
(Enrolled with name Barry Soetoro-faith “Islam”)
Selective Service Registration- -— Released, but suspected as fraudulent


ziploked
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Arguing with a fool only proves there are two of you. There is no point in discussing this any further, because your VERY FIRST ARGUMENT has already been addressed multiple times by the State of Hawaii. The rest is too ridiculous to address (Pakistan Passport?)


ziploked
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Go to Snopes.com and search for Obama Birth Certificate. All the evidence proving he is a citizen is right there, with links and reference to substantiating documents and government offices. The proof has been presented, and is readily available. Why won't your Birther nutjobs just read it? If Obama's documents are valid, I challenge any one of you to prove yours are.


ziploked
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

By the way, Fed_Up09, have you ever actually READ Article II Section 1? It's obvious you haven't. Go to: usconstitution.net/const.html#A2Sec1 to actually read it for yourself, and understand why you have no credibility referencing something you've never read, or don't understand. Also read: wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen

Where you made up that whole “Parent” thing is beyond me. The law, simply put, says “Born in the U.S. with at least one full U.S. citizen as a parent.” Disprove it with facts, not opinions


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

To Fedup_09, it's guys like you that make me wonder why I'm still a Republican, I looked up Article II, Section 1 of the COTUS, and it doesn't say anything of the sort, about the “The individual (Obama) has to have had at least one parent who HAD lived in the U.S. for 10 years AND FIVE of those years HAD to be AFTER the age of 14. His mother was 18 when she gave birth. Look it up.” I did look it up. Your a GD lying idiot.


Florida Christian
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

You demo commies are stoopid.

You state that Barry was born in “Hawaii”. a supposed “state”. I have never been to this so called “Hawaii” have you? What proof can you offer me that such a place even exists? Just because some web sites have “maps” that show this place is proof of how wide spread this conspiracy is!

wake up people and use some common sense!


daddyjim
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Just more Lou Dobbs horse manure. Dobbs has very little credibility.


Sheila
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Arnold is a citizen. Just not a natural born one. He can serve in any capacity other than President, including Senator.


Sheila
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

“Also, shortly after that his mother divorced his father, she married (Lolo Sotoero) and moved to Indonesia for several years. This was all at a time when Indonesia did not allow “dual citizenhsip”. So did his mother give up her U.S. Citizenship – because we know he attended school there as a child and at a time when only Indonesian citizens were allowed in schools.”

Why would Ann Dunham need to become an Indonesian citizen simply to reside there with her husband?

As for Barack, she never had the standing to interfere with his citizenship in any way. No parents have that power of their children's citizenship.

And BTW the Indonesian school document states Honolulu as his birthplace.


Azazel
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

Less credibility than Obama? Mr. Im bringing the troops home, no more taxes, and no more torture. Obama is full of crap! Bush was full of CRAP! And you're full of CRAP!


Len_RI
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

Lou Dobbs is not a citizen of the U.S. In fact, I believe there is strong evidence to PROVE that Lou Dobbs is an illegal alien. His whole show is a cover up to misdirect the authorities away from him, but the truth is that Lou Dobbs is not here legally and is not American.

Have you ever seen his birth certificate? Hmm. Didn't think so. There! Proof!

It's too late, of course, to have Lou provide any proof. If he comes up with a birth certificate now we all know it will be a fake!


Name
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Transparency? Where is it? Obama could come out and say “To put this issue to rest, and in the spirit of my campaign for complete transparency, here is my certificate of birth.” It would be over.
He was hired for a job. One of the requirements is that he is to be an American.

IMHO I believe our Presidents should also have served some time in the military. It's like a priest who has never been married, counseling married couples. Until you've been there, you can't know.

If you didn't produce proper information when you apply for a job, you wouldn't be hired. It should be as simple as that.


glenR212
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 12:10 am

you A-%*&$@


aalarcon
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:14 am

US Constitution requires natural-born citizenship status, as with President Obama; Republicans flew the flag for an exception to be made for Arnold…it is clearly a case of let's bend the Constitution when it's what Republicans think it's to their benefit; nothing new there, it's just that it is disgusting to view
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thebuzz123s
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 1:31 am

This President and his unprecedented steps to RUSH THINGS THROUGH CONGRESS WITHOUT LEGISLATION BEING COMPLETELY WRITTEN—SHOULD PUT TO SILENT ANY ACCUSATIONS AGAINST HIM IN WHICH HE CAN RESOLVE–PROVE BEYOND ANY DOUBT THAT THE MEDIA IS JUST A BUNCH OF BULL—

REFUSES TO DO IT—


pat
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:16 am

florida christian must be drinking some special LSD-laced koolaid. That blog writer should be watched carefully along with Red Graham.

These writers are so far from normal citizens, they may be reaaly dangerous.

In any case, I think they should go watch cartoons, the silly fun kind, not the Devils or dungeon types,.

Just relax the real adults will watch over you and give your meds to keep your happy and simple=minded.


bocephusjosephus
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 3:35 am

Forget all this legal mumbo-jumbo… Keyes and Dobbs are just a pair of clown shoes.
I've got this all worked out on the back of a bar napkin.
Now, I've spilled a little drink on it and it's kind of blurry, but it's all worked out with mathematical precision down to the last decimal.
It is a bit easier to read using an empty liquor bottle as a microscope.


RedGraham
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:23 am

I have seen others and even been hired myself for jobs before producing the required documents. Later the newhires usually come in with what is requested. I have seen some stall on it because they didn't really graduate from high school or their DL is revoked or they are wanted by the law. It's when they stall on bringing the documents that you get suspicious they are hiding something. Sometimes bogus receipts or other cut&paste documents are used. I remember one guy claimed his house burned down and he lost every original or certified copy. He came in with some XEROXed copies of some his records but one day he left work and never returned. Perhaps if Obama goes to Indonesia he will decide to stay there.


robert k
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

go lou dobbs. seems when people actually check into the “facts” of this obama birth situation they start running into brick walls and they have the normal response anyone would have, why all the fuss about something that is easily refuted by displaying the long-form birth certificate? why has obama spent over a million dollars to prevent people from seeing his records regarding his nationality? uh huh? why do people even have a problem with others making inquiry into this when they don't even know what they're talking about? people who do research understand the real birth certificate is the long-form one. yeah, there are many problems here with this situation so i hope lou dobbs can get people interested in the facts instead of others just pointing fingers and name calling. this is an actual constitutional issue much like the hearings conducted on mccain's panamanian eligibility. oh and where were the hearings on obama's eligibility? why is it good for mccain to having hearings for his birth but when the same rigor is applied to obama then people are nuts or racists or whatever name the ignorant want to use against those who know there is an issue here, although we're not quite sure what the end result is going to be?


edisme
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

Lou,

Admire your program, but please get rid of Bill Snyder.

He is a real “Smart Ass”.

If he ever had a good word for any administration, I must have missed it.

Personally, I tune him out, and you, unfortunately, go off the screen with him.


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Famous Martial Arts Actor Bruce Lee was born in [America] though his Parents were Both…

Hong Kong Citizens [Chinese] Both were [Foreigners] !!!!

Lee's Father was a Chinese Actor and his Mother was with Child [Bruce Lee] while Touring with her husband in the [USA] Bruce Lee was Born [American] because he was Born in the [USA] his Birth was Recorded and Accounted for.

Bruce later Moved to America as an American Citizen…

I Guess Bruce's Parents had it set up, that Bruce would come to America 25 years later, Attend College and become a TV-Martial Arts Movie Actor and World Famous Martial Arts Instructor, to Ultimately Become the Greatest Martial Arts Movie Actor of All Time !!!

It was All Planned Out, before Bruce was Born…

These Parents are the Greatest Seers of All

President Obama is The President Of the United States Of America and I Love and Respect this Man…

Period

Note: Both Bruce Lee and Barack Obama's Parents must have been Great Seers into the Future… Huh
—————————

This Response is to All Birther Cynics-Psychos & Bitter Hate Mongers

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attened Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!


Omaar
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

This Response is to All Birther Cynics-Psychos & Bitter Hate Mongers

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attened Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!


donojibway
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

David Wiegel obviously has a bias when he says right of front that Orly Taitz and Alan Keyes are “discredited”. No, an all out assult on their creditability by the left does not make them discredited. They have simple questions, as does Lou Dobbs, and all the left can come up with is “he doesn't want to show you his original sealed birth certificate in Honolulu, because he doesn't want too! So stuff it!” This policy on the part of Obama does match the expected action of someone trying to hide something, but it does not match the policy of someone trying to clear something up. So we all remain suspicious here, outside of the leftist cave.


blaze
Comment posted July 25, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

The Dr. signature is available from Factcheck.Org. This is simply right-wingers wanting Obama to dance to their paranoid tune. Obama has a passport, that alone proves that his birth certificate was enough for the federal government.


Ing Lish Tee Chir
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:52 am

Runninbear,
You really ought to go back to grade school and learn to write a decent English sentence…or at least learn to use SpellCheck.


Ing Lish Tee Chir
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:00 am

Yeah, but if McCain had won, and then had been declared ineligible to be president, we’d have Sarah Bimbo as president!!! She’d appoint all her high school buddies to the cabinet, just as she appointed them to jobs in Alaska, including the woman who said she “liked cows” when asked how she was quialified to be on the dairy commission. Then Sarah would quit after it got tough, or after the media hounded her, so maybe she’d be president for like a week.


Ing Lish Tee Chir
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:09 am

Did you demand such documentation from the other presidents, such as school records from kindergarten?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 5:37 am

Demand proof of “natural born” citizen status? Nope. I would’ve done it for sure if such a line of attack looked even remotely like it would arouse public suspicion of the legitimacy of any of the presidents who’ve sat in my lifetime. Especially Nixon.

But they’ve all been bullet-proof in this regard, more’s the pity. Barry Soetoro, however…

Now that’s a glorious, flaming, “Stick Knife Here” (only figuratively, stevie, only figuratively!) target if ever there was one. That bastich has been digging and covering up like a housecat dosed with a 60 cc bolus of castor oil, and he REEKS of criminality.

The more you learn about him – well, maybe not you, Lish, ’cause you’re probably an Obamaphile – the more you realize that what he’s hiding in that “permanent record” of his is more than enough to bring him down and finish him off.

And that’s what you call a consummation devoutly to be wished.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

Why Don't You, Lou Dobbs, False News [Fox News], Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage & Bill O'Reily, go to [Kenya] and Prove He's from Kenya, along with a Sworn Statement from his…

[Kenyan Step-Mother]

It would be the Find of the Century !!!

You Low Life, Hate Monger….

Get Up and Fly with the Rich Republican Hate Monger Machine and get the Kenyan Citizenship Proof you Need.


donojibway
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

You leftists are so caught up in your faith in this con-man Obama and his con-machine of socialist leaning ultra-hate-America advisors, that you are not allowing your natural born skepticism to see the cracks in this story. You were wrong about not being able to win militarily in Iraq, now you are two years later, wrong about your savior, Obama. WND is offering a $10,000 reward for anyone to step forward and say that they witnessed Obama's birth in Hawaii. No one has stepped forward. No doctors, nurses, hospital administrators…why? Because they don't exist.

If he has nothing to hide, why is he hiding all of his critical documents, including his Hawaii Birth Certificate, (not to be confused with the certification of birth released eagerly to the public, an easily obtained document, with suspicious markings and dating). I think you leftists should request Obama to release his Birth Certificate to clear it up, yet you are satisfied with his spitting in your face and saying no, he's not going to release it “because!”. Does Obama sound like a 3 year old, talking to other 3 year olds?


donojibway
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

Insults, but no meat. Same tactic you used on Sarah Palin. The news of
Obama being born in Kenya was in all the Kenya newspapers, then erased, as
the Kenyans became aware of the consequences of such a claim, and anyone who
would make another public statement about it was threatened with
imprisonment. Sounds like that's the policy you'd like to implement here.

When confronted with logical argument, all you leftist can come up with is
insulting labels. Pretty desperate. You make fools of yourselves, as you
artlessly ignore the fact that Obama refuses to release his real Birth
Certificate plus his college papers to the public. “You can fool all of the
people some of the time and some of the people all the time”, should be
modified to “you can fool all of the leftists all of the time if your lie is
consistent with the leftist agenda”

Rick Meckstroth


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

Why not You, Lou Dobbs, False News [Fox News], Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage & Bill O'Reily, go to [Kenya] and Prove He's from Kenya, along with a Sworn Statement from his…

[Kenyan Step-Mother]

It would be the Find of the Century !!!

You Low Life, Hate Monger….

Fly with the Rich Republican Hate Monger Machine and get the Kenyan Citizenship Proof you Need.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 2:44 pm

Is Palin President  or Vice President of the USA [No]

Is Sarah Palin a 1 Term Governor [No]

Sarah Plain is a [Hollow, Floating, Bubble]

And [YOU] Voted for this [Witch]

God Bless America, Palin is a Non-Issue


damajah
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

If anyone was conned, it was you reich-wing lunitics who allowed Bush II to BS you for eight years, and nearly destroyed the country. Have we won militarily in Iraq? I don't think so, and not a single military expert said we could. We are pulling out and telling the Iraqis they are on their own, which was Bush II's original plan in the first place, having destroyed their infrastructure, and paid them over the last 18 months to stop killing each other. How is this a military victory? We are going to end up dealing with anyone who has control over the military, and can protect our oil interests. Sound a little like the Shah of Iran? Where are the witnesses of Obama's birth in Kenya? Surely a white woman giving birth to a biracial child in a predominently black country would have stood out like a turd in a punchbowl. G.Gordon Liddy (a convicted felon) SAYS he has a deposition from the “step-grandmother, that Obama was born in Kenya. He failed to produce such a document, and I find it interesting they would take the word of this woman, over the word of the Governor of Hawaii, a Republican. Suspicious markings and dating? You forget that Obama used this same document to obtain a PASSPORT, that he used to travel overseas as a Senator. Are you saying that in a post 9/11 world, that Obama obtained a passport with a document you point out as having so many obvious flaws? I think you lunatics shoud give it a rest. Obama has released a document that says he was born in Hawaii. It is not your choice to accept or reject it, because the State of Hawaii, and State Department, have already done this. Take your medicine, and mmove on.


carrwatt
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

At least Lou Dobbs has the courage to bring this issue to CNN. BO obviously has something to hide, or he would have put this to rest by producing the “actual” Birth Certificate and School Records.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Original Paper Birth Certificates…

[You Won't Get It, Period]

Unlike that Crazed Lady Presenting a So-Called Birth Certificate in a Zip Lock Bag, which she Claimed is Authentic.

She should be put to the Task of [Proof]

I Requested My SC Birth Certificate, because I Needed it, to Acquire My [Passport] and the SC Department sent me a Miniature State Sealed [Copy]

I Did Not get a Full Sized [Original Paper Birth Certificate]

I Received a [Miniature Certified State Sealed Birth Certificate]

I sent that Copy to the US Passport Office and Received My [US Passport] 45 Days Later.

You will Never get the Original Paper Birth Certificate, Because of Security Reasons, Internet, Photo-Shopping and Fraud.

The Fraudulent Misuse of Citizen's Information through Scrupulous People & Groups, getting Access to People's Social Security Numbers are Wide Spread.

Imagine the State Showing or Giving Access to Your State & Federal ID to All that wanted Access.

Some of You People are [Hateful & Bitter]

He's Our Nation's [44Th President]

Live with and Move On with Life.

He's President Of The USA…

Finished
————–


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!

————————


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

————————
Why not You, Lou Dobbs, False News [Fox News], Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage & Bill O'Reily, go to [Kenya] and Prove He's from Kenya, along with a Sworn Statement from his…

[Kenyan Step-Mother]

The Kenyan “Step Mother” That is the [Most Ridiculous-Salacious]

Why would the [Kenyan Step Mother] be a Witness at the Birth ?

I'd Love to see this Kenyan Step-Mother, it would be Amusing as well as her Sworn Statement & Attorney.

Notice Rupert Murdoch Owner of Fox News, has the Money to send out his Forces to Kenya, yet Does Not, when he Should, it would be Great Ratings for Fox News, Limbaugh, Beck & Hannity…

It would a Kenyan Birth Certificate [Bonanza] !!

Get To It…Murdoch & Fox News,

Your Ratings Would be Off the Charts !!!

It would be the Find of the Century !!!

Fly Now with the Rich Republican Hate Monger Machine and get the Kenyan Citizenship Proof You Need.

The Ouness is Now On the Pundits, Dissenters & Rebel Rousers to Prove their [Right]

I Can't Wait !!

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Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

Original Paper Birth Certificates…

[You Won't Get It, Period]

Unlike that Crazed Lady Presenting a So-Called Birth Certificate in a Zip Lock Bag, which she Claimed is Authentic.

She should be put to the Task of [Proof]

I Requested My SC Birth Certificate, because I Needed it, to Acquire My [Passport] and the SC Department sent me a Miniature State Sealed [Copy]

I Did Not get a Full Sized [Original Paper Birth Certificate]

I Received a [Miniature Certified State Sealed Birth Certificate]

I sent that Copy to the US Passport Office and Received My [US Passport] 45 Days Later.

You will Never get the Original Paper Birth Certificate, Because of Security Reasons, Internet, Photo-Shopping and Fraud.

The Fraudulent Misuse of Citizen's Information through Scrupulous People & Groups, getting Access to People's Social Security Numbers are Wide Spread.

Imagine the State Showing or Giving Access to Your State & Federal ID to All that wanted Access.

Some of You People are [Hateful & Bitter]

He's Our Nation's [44Th President]

Live with and Move On with Life.

He's President Of The USA…

Finished
————–


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

I Support President Obama & The USA Military…

You Birthers had Better Respect Our Nation's 44th President…OK

Get Over Your Madness…

He's this Nation's President.

He Won the Popular Vote and the Electoral College.

Live With It.

He's Our Nation's Commander In Chief.

Stop This Un-Patriotic Treasonist and Un-American Behavior.

And Support Our Nation's Highest Leader.

I Did Not Like, Nor Support [President Bush]

But I Did Respect his Title, He was [My President]

A Very Bad President, But He was [My President]

I'm a Independent-Moderate, But American 1st…

I Wish All My American Presidents Well.

You Birthers should Check Your Hate of Our New President and if You call Yourselves American and Especially Christian.

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Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

Lou Dobbs is a senile geezer who misses the days of being able to verbally fellate the war crimes of the Bush criminal gang.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:51 am

He proved that when he held the seals back for 36 hours and then some one else made the discision.but he took the credit?The captains wife doesn’t know how close she came to getting a flag instead of her husband back?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Try the Contitution article 2 section 1 paragrph 5


Robert
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

after reading a few of the below remarks about the birth certificate situation with obama, i noticed a lot of comments about bush support and that those who question obama's birth certificate – the long form that actually says something, how those that supported bush don't support obama because they ask a normal question about why obama has spent over a million dollars to ensure people don't find out about his past as documented in the u.s.
besides the moronic comments of those that have not researched the birth certificate issue and so they clearly look ignorant in their replies on this article, is the simple fact that obama is RELATED to bush.
so those who voted for obama voted in the same family line as bush.
so if you thought you voted in someone “different”, well he draws from the same blood as bush.
and not only bush, but cheney as well.
so bush brought in socialism and obama is taking it to a new level.
so if you thought you voted in change with obama, your need to learn how to do some research… lol


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

Aw, Omaar, if only he WERE lawfully, legitimately the nation's “44th President.”

Sadly – for you and for me, 'cause it means that I'm getting shafted with Joe “The Plagiarist” Biden as the real 44th President, and I know Hairplug Joe of old for the true, complete, National Socialist Party suck-ass he really is – Barry Soetoro is a criminal fraud, and is going to be dragged out of the White House in handcuffs, ankle fetters, and belly chains by a squad of federal marshals before long.

You go on in your fantasy of affection for “All [your] American Presidents” (even NIXON?) and the rest of us will just enforce the Constitution as best we can.


runninbear
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

If thats all you can come up with to defend your murdering ,lying choice then i have nothing to worry about ,because it's not my lack of the formining sentences or how i have been educatued .it shows that people like you are so afraid that you are and your fearful Un transparent goverment choice are the ones who need to return to school and get a US goverment lessons on the Contitution, and get the very basic of the unstanding of the founding fathers wrote.That was written 200 years ago ,because no matter what you say no matter what i misspell thats all the intelliegent things you have to say in defense of your gulliable,uninformed,and down right refusal to even check out these reasons why this man can't and shouldn't hold the office of the president of the United States,or even Senator.An eye wittness of his OWN FAMILY,the facts that aren't avaiable on every Americans b/c,the fact that he has spent over a millon dollars on lawyers that are fighting to hide his simplest of proof that he is An American.He's the one who campgned on “Transparenticy” .What he considered to be transparent, Is this, he has offically supplied to prove his “Transparenticy is his doctor released a 6 line ,one paragaph for his medical records,John McCain released all his records and was provein by the supreme court that he is and was a Natural borned citizen.,When they ask and this is the part where Obama didn't,they asked Mccain to release his medical records ,he supplied 1500 pages of medical reports Now thats “TRANSPARENTICY”.
I read an article where a Texas man ,being a naturalized citizen tried to say his original B/C had been lost,but he did have a C.O.L.B. that the state of Texas issued and this man Juan A.Dehoyos has 90 days to produce his Orginal B/C or he could not travel across the Roi grande to visit his family there.If This man has a C.O.L.B. and the immigration wont accept this C.O.L.B as proof ,why are you standing for an obvious fake of Obama's C.O.L.B.
Furthermore There has been investigators who have tied to find out where they lived in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth,A woman who has lived in Hawaii all her life and resided next door to the address that Obama swears that he lived and published in papers says “There has never been a family who has had a biracial child or a family that had or was married to an Indoneisan citizen man or woman or child that has resided at this address.
You are so worried about my lack of education that you don't even know what Obama's health plan proposals on the elderly are.That you need to read if you have any grand parents or friends that are reaching the age where obama will require that every 5 years the elderly has to attend conseuling on the benefits of the right to die, to be refused to have life extending operations for them because he thinks it is a waste of money and time to have these people get the life saving treatments.that would extend and make their last years on this earth as happy and as healthly that they have earned.
So I guess if all you have to support this man who is for Infancide,a man who 3 times voted against the Infant borned alive bill ,who he was the chairman over such bills that passed the house and Senate by an over whelming vote in both houses,giving the only reason that he didn't he said he didn't like the lanuage that he wanted .He was the chairman.
So if all you can't discuss the issues that you and others who are ignorant about the policies and views that he wants us to think it is in our best interest,and in fact will harm every american in the US including you.in some way or other that you still blindly support a man with such views who's only claim to be qualifed to be president is to be a half black/half white kenyan and allies himself with terriosts like Bill Ayers ,Al-Mansour aka DonWarden,aka the black panthers,Hamas,who he gave 900million taxpayers dollars that Hamas has destroyed ,to rebuild Gaza that Hamas will use to buy and rearm themselves from Soveit weapons left over from the cold war,to fire rockets at our oldest and dearest allies.That has been done daliy ever since the so called cease fire has been signed.Hamas has stolen aid from the Gazan who has been a victim of their hatred of jews and their cowardly way they use the people and reglious moques to hide their weapons and their cowardness to finish a war they started and will continue,until they have destroyed jewish nation.Hamas has been offered the strip and the west bank on three different peace talks,they refused to take it.but Obama is kowtowing to these terriosts and alienating our Oldest Allies.
So If all you want to discuss is the my lack of penmanship spelling and styles of writting you deserve what you and others have sentenced us to.By refusing to even ask as the rest of us americans have the right to do and demand the potus who we have elected,who ran on the promises of “Transparenticy?isn't at all what he is.
This too me is far more serious than a missed spelled word or the lack of having a proper format that you seem so well educated in has choosen to attack a fellow american that has excerised his contitutional rights to dare ask this Kenyan to prove he is an American and not a politictian that has taken an oath to this country to defend her,and not some one who went to Kenya on taxpayers money to campgin for a murdering kenyan who burned to the ground 55 pentcoastal parishioners in their church and at least 150 more kenyans,and the only way to stop the blood shed was to make him Prime Minister,and consealing the records of Obama in finding out if indeed he was truly boned a Kenyan,which fyi is common Knowledge to every kenyan,Ghanaian and African that he is in fact a dual citizen of that country and Indonesia.
So make fun of my lack as you say the english lanugage,and refuse to even open your eyes.That' how HILTER did it?and they say history will repeat it self as long as we refuse to question all the actions and statements made by goverment officals who are self serving hipporites that are supposed to be respresenting the “PEOPLE” and in fact are only thinking of “What's in it for me?
Obama has accepted money from Lobbist, speical interst groups,like the gays and lesbians who think the contitution is the authority on marriage,In fact marriage was established 3000 years before the Contituion was written.and the fact that he campaigned on the fact that he would not hire a Lobbist to work for him that has special interst and no Lobbist that has worked in that capacitcty for at least one year.In Fact he has hired more Lobbist ,tax evaders,and racist and given more time to these people than he has on any bill he has signed,he can't even discuss his health plan without being briefed on the outlines given him to discuss.Fact he has yet to explain his health plan in detail to keep americans in the dark.and claiming you will be able to keep the doctors you want or already have ,in fact he means:The HMO's insurances will be the ones telling you what protcols, treatments the goverment will tell the HMO's what they will or will not cover.When he says “WE” the goverment will no longer pay for medical treatments that won't make us healthltier,this translates into “Goverment will no longer let your doctor decidewhat treatment is better for you than taking the recommended treatment your doctors say is best for you.his ideal of removing politics from the health care issue is to put the federal goverment in charge of it “ALL”.
So the facts that you call us names,insult our knowledge,that by the way is unfounded and accuse us of lunaticy,insult our use of a lanuage that you yourself abmits you must use spell check shows me that you haven't achieved the levels it requires to judge my use or applications of the lanugage ,must less the policies that Obama is going to take away your rights,bankrupt america,and destroy our oldest governoring doucment our founding fathers gave their lives writting ,signing and being put to death for supporting.That because one man that the media has protected ,covered up for and supported by refusing to publish anyting negative that is anti Obama is labled as a low level terroist,racist,Americans that have served their country defending their rights to say these things about us.Point Obama had the papers retract a cartoon of him being drawn as a monkey trying to pass his agenda,I have seen a lot worse cartoons that they drew of other presidents like Bush, but none ever called these cartoonist or racist cartoons?or the one they were insulting to retract the cartoonist work? Like the ones about the Koran being dropped on the ground or someone flushing it,have you seen what these extremeist have done to our flags,our books,our people,decapatation dragging their bodies behind cars and then hanging them on a bridge then setting them on fire, while they defamed their bodies even more.
So it doesn't bother me being called names,as a young child I heard the the “N” applied to me they called all native americans “Red Nigger” in the very state I live “OKLAHOMA” is an Indian name which means home of the red man? So you insult me with names that you think impress anyone who supports Obama's socialistic views that anyone that with eyes to see ,and ears to hear reconigze his obvious attempts to change America into such a communistic country and a dicator,like his friends Chaveze.Castro's brothers,and Ortega,and when it happens No one will be able to say I told you so because the freedom of speech will be a memory.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Code Retard-Extremist Language for….

I  don't want my President to be anything other than [White]

Its a Brand New Day

Move To Canada, Western – Eastern Europe…

You'll Love it There …

Bigot

And take your  White Sheets, Swasikas & Burned Crosses  with You


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Being such a  Race Hate Mongering & Crystal Meth Addict,  a  Very Lethal Combination…

Reality: President Obama Won the  Popular  & Electoral [Vote]

Denial: You have  All the race hate Simptons of a Person in need of Mental Help..

I can Refer You to someone, if you'd like….

A Kindred Spirit, in whom you can Identify….

She just Recently Lost it and Resigned in Alaska as Governor…

Sarah Palin

The Heffa was So
Messed Up, she  Quit her job, because she, just like You can't believe,
a  Bi-Racial Man is Now President of the USA.

Move to Alaska and Console Each Other.


runninbear
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

No 1 ,4,5,8,9
! No.1.he has a number but what about the fake selective service number<A0897050632
No2,4 He never was an american at the age of 5 and when he was adopted by his father Lolo Soetoro,he was a Indonesian citizen,his school papers prove he was a muslim and a citizen of that country Fact: anyone who is as young as obama aka Barry Soetoro is automaticly accepted as a citizen who resides in that country,plus it was through his adopted father who was a student of his govermentt and an employee of that goverment.and it was impossible to obtain a American Passport to travel to a country that we as Americans were forbidden to travel to at the time he did?
No, 5 he was financed by a communist poet who used to have a 3 some with Obama's mother when she was only 13.who introduced to Terroist Bill Ayers and then to Al-Mansour aka Don Warden aka investment broker for the 19th richesst arab in the world.
No.8 who as a Senator for that time was sbsent for 300 plus days,but was paid for it?That's a SOCIALIST.
No0. He was never vetted,In illinos one of the states that doesn't have such vetting requirements to prove he is who he claims.In short you just vett your self and get some senator to buy and your good to run for any seat in Illinos? thats a fact,
Where he Usurped the office of POTUS!
Hes a lawyer unlike his wife .who still has a degree but is forbidden to pratice law Fact'because she was caught up in an Insurance fraud case.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

Nah. I don't want my President to be anything other than constitutional, Omaar.

That goes not only for his “natural born” status but also for his adherence to the Bill of Rights. Meaning, of course, that I thought pretty much the same of the Republicans' beloved Dubbya and his Heimatsicherheitsdienst and “USA PATRIOT Act” as I do of your Mombasa Messiah and all the cyanide he's shoving down the nation's collective throat.

But I suppose, Omaar, unconstitutionally tyrannous authoritarian socialists like Barry look different to you simply because he's got a lower albedo than his predecessor, right?

Tsk. How racist of you.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Fairytales Can Come True…

Republicans also said Bill Clinton was the Russian Manchurian Candidate for 8 Years, because of a Student Trip to [Russia]

Is'nt it Funny & yet Very Strange, how Democrats are Constantly being Titled [Communist-Socialist]

Never Fails.

Republicans In-Directly call Franklin Delano Roosevelt a [Communist-Socialist]

Basically Un-American -Un-Patriotic…

Yet the Bush Family and Republican Presidents have a More Direct Tie to [Communism-Socialism ] ..

Reference: Prescott Bush, CIA:George H.W.Bush & Republican President(s) Nixon, Reagan, George H.W. Bush & George W. Bush Jr. Time Lines.

China Finances [Both] Our [2] 6Year Mid-East Wars, to the Tune of 20 Billion Dollar Per Month with Interest, God Knows how Much Interest and Counting !!

Communist-Socialist China: The Largest Communist-Socialist Nation on Planet Earth, when Clinton came to Power, The Damage had Already been Done.

China also Owns [US Government Bonds]

Yet the Republican Party is [Anti-Communist-Socialist]

Borderline Bull-Spit !!


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

Translation: “Whites Only In The White House”

Reality: He's The 44Th President Of The USA…

Its a Brand New Day….

Now, Shut The F–K UP and Go Away


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

This for all the Desperate Birthers [Sound Logic]

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

Oh, I don't call into question Barry Soetoro's popularity. P.T. Barnum underestimated the birth rate of suckers by at least four orders of magnitude.

But his he constitutionally qualified to be sitting privately in the Oval Office, jerking himself off all over the U.S. Constitution, or should he be bending over for his cellmate in Leavenworth, Kansas, his “Hope” focused on the possibility that there might be some Vaseline involved?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Nah. Constitutionalists only. I don't give a damn about a public servant's cutaneous melanin content, Omaar. I just want to make good and goddam certain that he's a public SERVANT and not a criminous, arrogant, tyrannical sonofabitch who tries to rule as our civil master.

Reality, Omaar? Your beloved Barry Soetoro is filthy in so many wonderful ways that he actually makes Nixon – ghod, that I should live to see such a thing! – even NIXON look slightly lawful.

Ain't that a bitch, Omaar?


runninbear
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

Fyi Im a democrat and night mares are real too? and Clinton didn't lie about it or refuse to disclose the trip as obama has done?
Its only funny when you see and hear the democrats who couldn't come up with a leggit candidate to run for their party,that they would use such a manchurian candidate that you and others voted for with out knowing where or who he is “before he had the power to ruin our country.
Fyi Obama on March 28,2009 case number#09-008271 has been indicted for Treason and Fraud in 4 states.and Acorn is going to be the next one to exposed for the crimmals who Obama supports and funds .Bonappett'e and you would know bull spit from BS if you stepped in it


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

He's The President Obama is the Preident of the USA…

Now Go AWAY !!!

Move To Canada Or Europe…

I'm sure you'll Love it.


runninbear
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

what about the recording of said grand mother who is on tape stateing such proof? as far as her standing out .have you ever studied the African history ,at the time of Obama's marrige it was a British colony they were so many brits there they had an apparttie?thats proves you are mistaken.there are several military leaders to who would disagree,the surge is the proof that is the smoking gun you refuse to recongize ,that obama was against and then was.a flip flopping fish that now says if president he will bring the troops home and yet he just sent 21,000 more this month to Afganistan.He claims there is no Taliban in Iraq?because we chased their butts to somewhere they could hide Afganistan, and Pakistan?
How many Grand mothers would do you think would lie about being there at his birth?mine wouldn't would yours?If any thing she was proud of his birth,he was borned in Mombassa,Kenya.
All he has to do is produce his B/C.and not that cheap fake C.O.L.B.
The proof is forever destroyed,why ? because his cousin Bloody Raila Odinga is “Prime Minister?
who he helped by campaigning for him in kenya.Who when Odinga lost killed 55 penetcoastal parishioners by burning them in their church and 150 fellow kenyans?
it wasn't the same one and you asume that because he will not release “ANY ” doucments.There were no flaws that was uncovered about the Indonesian passport that he actually used,not the one as a Senator ,that would be the only proof that would prove he was Indonesian citizen.
I have yet to see any Governor actually say he was when he wasn't there or an expert on such doucments,and there's the fact that Hawaii got a big piece of stimulus “300million for tourist center and a train to NO where?
As for being remembered as a resident in hawaii the woman who has lived next door the address that was given as Obama's home even before he was borned has never seen or knew of a Mixed marriage with a biracial child that has ever lived at this address?why would she lie?He also said he wasn't muslim,did you hear his speeches,where he spoke the Call to Prays “FLAWLESSLY” or the Cario speech where he recited the Koran perfectly?have you ever tried to learn Arabic?it's harder than my native tongue.and it's not that he is a Muslim,it's the fact that he has lied about it all?
Last but not leased have you read his health plan for seniors? where they will be refused expensive treatmenta and operations that could extend and make their last days on earth better,but he says the elderly wil be required to have counseling to have Pallative care and hospice?Translation he will force seniors to accept pain medications and hospice care instead of the meds and expenive opertions that could extend their life?can you live with your grand parents or parents who will be a victim of Obama's health care,because he wants to cut costs? I can't i would hope you couldn't either?


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

You Described Yourself, Dick Cheney  & George W. Bush [Perfectly]

Go Home, You are Wasting Time.


Omaar
Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

No, Its a Bitch Hearing You  and Others like You….

Whining and Crying, Like  Bitches…

That's  Funny…

Be a Man, Grow a Spine

There will be Others of Various Nationalities [Hispanic-Asian]

Who will be President of the USA

Cry, Whine, Bitch, Moan, Groan, Threaten, Have a Ulcer, Heart Attack Or Anuerism.

Reality: He's President Of The USA

You Low Life Slugs


runninbear
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:00 am

SEMFI? show us the B/C? and your other fake papers ? that's “all' we are asking for?


donojibway
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:02 am

There you go with your name calling and labels. I don't understand how you
developed the personal hate toward Sarah Palin to call her a witch. Is that
supposed to be sophisticated, or somehow cool? Is it because she called
Obama what he really was, a community organizer, with no responsibilities?
She obviously understands economics better than Obama, she recognizes a free
market creates more jobs than government spending, Obama really doesn't get
it there. He thinks he can just buy jobs with money from tax payers, not
recognizing the mathematical implosion that results as you make more and
more people government employees, whose taxes really mean nothing, since
they just go to paying themselves. But Obama never did so much as run a
hardware store, much less run a city or state.

While you ramble and make no sense, I will defend your right to post, that
is the American way.

Rick Meckstroth


donojibway
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:02 am

OMG! So you think the reason Obama won't show his Birth Certificate is
because he is afraid of fraud if someone gets his social security number? A
new level of Obama apologies has been reached….Thank you Disqus for that
intellectual record setter.

Rick Meckstroth


runninbear
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:04 am

Right ON and FYI John McCain was proved he was and ia a Natural borned citizen of “BOTH PARENTS” being AMERICANS by the SUPREME COURT?


Omaar
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:06 am

A Black Man's My President, I Mean a [Bi-Racial Man]

God Save the Confederacy, I Mean The [Union]…

Wave The Rebel Flag..

Where's Hank Williams Jr. Charlie Daniels, John Rich and Gretchen Willson..

My Bad, They were on the the McCain-Palin Trail….

And we Still Lost the Popular & Electoral Vote !!!

Robert E. Lee… .

We've Failed You….

Oh White God Above….

Jesus Help Us…

Are the Good Times Really Over For Good …

I'm Quoting Merle Haggard …

God Bless The Confederacy….

I Mean….

The [Union]

You Low Life's


Omaar
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Go Away, You make Yourself look Dumber, with Each Response
———————

The problem with this. Parents and Relatives don’t and didn’t, get to Place Birth Announcements in the Honolulu Advertiser or the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. As a Star-Bulletin employee explained to WorldNetDaily, the editors “print what we receive from the Department of Health Vital Statistics System,” and did so in 1961. And the Advertiser worked the same way.

—————————

Original Paper Birth Certificates…

[You Won't Get It, Period]

Unlike that Crazed Lady Presenting a So-Called Birth Certificate in a Zip Lock Bag, which she Claimed is Authentic.

She should be put to the Task of [Proof]

I Requested My SC Birth Certificate, because I Needed it, to Acquire My [Passport] and the SC Department sent me a Miniature State Sealed [Copy]

I Did Not get a Full Sized [Original Paper Birth Certificate]

I Received a [Miniature Certified State Sealed Birth Certificate]

I sent that Copy to the US Passport Office and Received My [US Passport] 45 Days Later.

You will Never get the Original Paper Birth Certificate, Because of Security Reasons, Internet, Photo-Shopping and Fraud.

The Fraudulent Misuse of Citizen's Information through Scrupulous People & Groups, getting Access to People's Social Security Numbers are Wide Spread.

Imagine the State Showing or Giving Access to Your State & Federal ID to All that wanted Access.

Some of You People are [Hateful & Bitter]

He's Our Nation's [44Th President]

Live with and Move On with Life.

He's President Of The USA…

Finished
 -


Omaar
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:12 am

This for all the Desperate Birthers [Sound Logic]

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:18 am

“Fyi Im a democrat”

No you aren't.

“that you and others voted for with out knowing where or who he is “before he had the power to ruin our country.”

I know exactly who he is and I knew exactly where he was. But hey you've admitted you aren't interested in allowing reality or facts to get in the way.

<<<Obama on March 28,2009 case number#09-008271 has been indicted for Treason and Fraud in 4 states.>>>

ROFL are you referring to the illiterate Birfoons who handed out the poorly written, grammatically incorrect “indictment” by “The League Of Super Americans”?


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:21 am

No, the REALITY is that you are so fucking stupid, I wonder what color they painted the wall after they picked you up as an infant and repeatedly cracked your skull open against a concrete wall. Severe brain damage is the only reasonable explanation for your extreme inability to differentiate between your racist psychotic delusions and the facts about POTUS Obama.


runninbear
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:33 am

It's Aneurysm genius


runninbear
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:35 am

and when did he run for president of the USA ?NEVER?lol


runninbear
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 12:45 am

It just proves thoses who drink and eat bar nuts,think after a few drinks are Einstien who says e=mc squared is recipe for poi? and thoses who use bottles for a mircoscope will end up with some appendage stuck in the neck?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:28 am

Jeez, Omar. Maintain an even strain, can'tcha?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:36 am

Tsk. I thought I'd heard the last of the “you're stupid, nyah, nyah!” line of rebuttal back in the Eisenhower Administration. Well, we're dealing with Obamaphiles here. It's a “Hire the Handicapped” situation, after all….

Let's see, what else do we find in Matty's post? The “racist” line of bullshit, the “psychotic” nonsense…. Anything of substance? No?

Hey, what a surprise.


Omaar
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:37 am

Jeez Louise…

He's Your President…

Live With it and Move Forward.

Dang !!!


Omaar
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:38 am

George W. Bush: Ask Al Gore,  Who Won…

He's  Your  President…

Move to another Country…

A!! Hole


Omaar
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:45 am

Thanks for the Spell Check….

Now Have an   Aneurysm  Genius

He's The President of the USA

You and those  like [You]

Present Your [Original Birth Certificate & Social Security Number] and Present these Federal ID's to the World…

You Can't like that Nut Lady in Massachusetts with a Piece of Paper in her Zip Lock Bag…

What Proof is that, Proof Enough to Low Life's Like You…

Desperate Hate Mongers, Looking for Any Angle

Go Away


Tuci78
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 1:57 am

Well, that's the point, isn't it, Omaar? Until Barry Soetoro (who never legally changed his name back to “Barack Hussein Obama II” after he'd been adopted by Lolo Soetoro) comes up with proof that he qualifies under Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution to occupy the office he now holds, he's only PRETENDING to be President of these United States.

He's not “Your President,” Omaar, or my President, or anybody's president. He is at best a criminal fugitive from the law, and in dire need of been tracked down, arrested, indicted, convicted, and put into a dank cell with several similar sociopaths, some of them (I dearly hope) bent upon the fulfillment of situational homosexual desires involving Barry bending over and praying for Vaseline.


Omaar
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 2:17 am

Cry Me a River, Build A Bridge and Watch the Rivers  Flow.

He's President and Choose Any Name  to call Him, he's The President Of These United States Of America.

You Spineless, Bitter, Hate Mongering, Pack Of Whiners…

Hate is Such an Ugly Look
———————————————-

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!

President Obama must be One Hell of a Man…..

1. To not have a Social Security Number

2. No Birth Certificate

3. To Attend Public Schools in America, without Proof of Citizenship.

4. To Fly to Indonesia Without a U.S. Passport to [Indonesia] with his Mother and Step Father.

5. To Fly to the Mainland to Attend Prestigious Universities.

6. To Become a Constitutional Law Attorney.

7. To Become a Illinois State Senator

8. A 4 Yr US Senator.

9. Passing All High Level..ed State-Feder..al Clearances. [FBI-CIA]

10. To Become the President of the USA …

Wow !!

President Obama is One Hell of a Man..

He Deserves to be President !!


DWB
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

What bothers me is all the excuses and free passes that my fellow citizens bestow on our president. Is our Constitution not worth the paper it was inscribed on September 17, 1787?

I am a veteran of Vietnam. I was drafted. That draft notice was signed by President Lyndon B Johnson. It started like this: Greetings; Your friends and neighbors have selected you to serve in the Armed Forces of your country. During my induction I had to swear allegiance to the United States of America and promised I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Now is time for all my friends and neighbors to stand with me and support the Constitution of the United States of America.

Our president must show all his friends and neighbors that he is a “natural born citizen” and meets the requirements in Article II of our Constitution.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Wow.

Two things first.
1) SPELLCHECK IS YOUR FRIEND
2) Spaces are allowed too.

“If thats all you can come up with to defend your murdering ,lying choice”

Who brought up Bush?

“.An eye wittness of his OWN FAMILY,”

Not even close, but a fun urban legend.

“,the fact that he has spent over a millon dollars on lawyers that are fighting to hide his simplest of proof that he is An American.He's the one who campaigned on “Transparenticy”"

Again not even remotely true and its spelled “transparency”

GW is that you?

“'t,they asked Mccain to release his medical records ,he supplied 1500 pages of medical reports Now thats “TRANSPARENTICY”.”

You mean the records he refused to release copies of, or allow the reporters to take notes on?

and again, its TRANSPARENCY.

“I read an article where a Texas man ,being a naturalized citizen tried to say his original B/C had been lost,but he did have a C.O.L.B. that the state of Texas issued and this man Juan A.Dehoyos has 90 days to produce his Orginal B/C or he could not travel across the Roi grande to visit his family there.If This man has a C.O.L.B. and that immigration wont accept his C.O.L.B as proof ,why are you standing for an obvious fake of Obama's C.O.L.B.”

a) Where was this alleged article?
b) I doubt you are capable of reading
c) THE GUY IN QUESTION IS A NATURALIZED CITIZEN, Obama was born in the country.

You know what, forget it, there are only 24 hours in a day, far more time would be needed to address every stupid thing you cut and pasted.


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

did you ask LBJ to stop by your house with a copy of his bc before you would fight?


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

anyone have an English translation?


DWB
Comment posted July 27, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

If you're really a Buddhist perhaps you should get that gas can and do the Saigon barbecue protest . Maybe that would bring out the “Birth Certificate”, nothing else has worked .


Omaar
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 1:31 am

Salon: President Obama U.S. House Resolution, Acknowledging his Place of Birth as [Hawaii] and Republican Michelle Bachman Voted [Yea] to the Resolution.

On Monday afternoon, it seemed that one House Republican, Minnesota Rep. Michele Bachmann, had indeed moved to support the birthers, as liberal blog Think Progress reported that she blocked the bill.

This time, though, Bachmann was being criticized unfairly. She did indeed block a vote on the resolution, noting the absence of a quorum, but that move wasn't about Abercrombie's resolution specifically. She was just playing her part. The House had already decided to postpone the votes on all of the resolutions being considered under a suspension of the rules until Monday evening. Bachmann noted the absence of a quorum for several other non-controversial pieces of legislation so that those votes, too, could be postponed until the scheduled time.

In fact, as a spokeswoman for Bachmann told Salon — and C-SPAN video of the congresswoman's remarks on the House floor confirmed — Bachmann supports the resolution.

After the postponement, on Monday evening the resolution passed — unanimously.

Note: Bachmann was one of the [Yea Votes]


Omaar
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 2:25 am

House passes resolution that states Obama was born in Hawaii [ 378-0]

This evening, the House passed a resolution sponsored by Rep. Neil Abercrombie (D-HI) that commemorates Hawaii’s 50th anniversary as a U.S. state by a vote of [378-0] The resolution also contains this provision: “Whereas the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii,” a measure that some GOP members may have had trouble supporting.

However, many of the Republican representatives who at expressed at least subtle doubt that Obama was not born in the U.S. voted for the resolution. Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN), who had earlier in the day prevented the resolution from coming to a voice vote on the House floor, and Rep. Bill Posey (R-FL), who sponsored a bill requiring presidential candidates to prove natural-born citizenship, both voted for the resolution.

Rep. John Campbell (R-CA), a co-sponsor of Posey’s bill who expressed doubt about Obama’s citizenship last week on MSNBC, did not vote.


mryan56557
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 4:48 am

LOU FIND ANOTHER TOPIC YOU ARE PLAYING TO THE WACKO'S YOU WILL MAKE THEM DO SOMETHING CRAZY.


williambelcher
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 7:51 am

Good Lord, Lou – what happened? Have you turned to the fringe entertainment factor to get ratings? Earlier in your career you used to give biting commentary – now it's just ridiculous.


runninbear
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

You are as boring un informed as Obama was when he opened his mputh to admit he was wrong,like you and the rest of the obamabots will deny ,deny deny.So I am bored with your insults your low level intelect and fyion January 20 Obama took office and on January 21,2009 he did sign the excuetive order 13489.That is the proof that his frist act as president was to seal his records.Now the mainstearm media is having to answer the chatges.Iwould ask you to read a blog and maybe you will understand it then ,you won't believe it but read it anyway Arig july17th2009656p.m. If you dare.Be ignorant is one thing,staying that way is a crime.


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

IT DIDNT SEAL HIS RECORDS YOU BUFFOON, it dealt with the BUSH crime syndicates attempt to hide their own records.

I realize reality is a heretical concept to you, but too bad.


Omaar
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Birthers: Provide me with [Your] Original Birth Certificate and Social Security Number…

Prove to Me, America and the World…

You are an American Citizen.

Low Life.

You have Race Hate on the Brain

A Bi-Racial Man, You Call Black, African, Mulatto, Arab or Barry [Step Fathers Name] whatever…

Barry Won the Presidency, in a Majority White Society.

Barry Won the Popular Vote.

Barry Won the Electoral College.

Barry Soetoro-Barack Obama or any other name, you wish to call him, is…

Is President Of The USA…

Barry-Barack Obama is Commander in Chief of the USA

Now, Go Have a Seizure or Cardiac Arrest or Better Still, Kill Yourself.

Denial is an Ugly Thing…Indeed.

Piss Poor Ugly Thing, to See


NancyLP
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

I think most of us are just hoping for a way to get Obama to step down. Frankly, citizen or not, he doesn't seem to have our best interest at heart.

Regardless of his origin, I wish that he was not the US President. It's unsettling to have someone in the office of President that is forcing so much government intrusion into our lives. We, the hard working Americans don't want nor do we need the government telling us that we have to take care of people who aren't interested in working for their own pay – there are some unfortunate people that need help, but most just mooching off the rest of us.


Robert
Comment posted July 28, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

hearings held in the case of presidential candidate mccain question of constitutionally validity regarding birth:

http://www.independentamerican.org/2008/08/28/h…

no charges of racism, bigotry, blackey against whitey, nut case, $15 for a domain name to say what you want on the web, etc…

hearings requested in the case of now president obama due to questions of constitutional validity regarding birth:

<crickets>

oh and you're a racist, birther, nutjob, whack, blah, blah, blahhhh for suggesting the same standard be applied to obama as it was to mccain?
sounds like some people are worried about something… hmmm!


prudencerussell
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 12:36 am

Lou Dobbs
I would wish that you disappear from CNN. I already tuned out FOX NEWS now I have to tuned out CNN along with its president CEO Jon Klein.
How insane are you? You must be a functional mentally challenge individual. My! my! I feel sorry for your parents and yourself including….for having spend all this high tuition so may have a good education and judgement…just all went to naught because of your racist inclination. I guess that's how the cookie crumbles.


Omaar
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 12:42 am

CQ Politics: Somehow, the House got [158] Republicans — Including Nearly All Members of the Leadership — to vote for a resolution last night that declares President Obama was born in Hawaii. But it appears that the resolution wasn’t intentionally aimed at the fringe movement plaguing the Republican Party these days: the people who insist Obama isn’t actually a citizen of the United States.

Instead, aides to Democratic Rep. Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii — the sponsor of the resolution — say the impact on the “birther” movement was just an amusing sideshow to a resolution that was just supposed to be a simple celebration of the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood.

“When we realized that it might stir them up, we just kind of smiled,” said Abercrombie spokesman Dave Helfert.

The resolution, adopted last night on a vote of 378-0, notes that “the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.” To Abercrombie, who was friends with Obama’s father and knew the president when he was a toddler, any resolution celebrating Hawaii’s anniversary would naturally mention Obama because “it is a matter of great pride in Hawaii that Barack Obama is a native son,” Helfert said.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 12:51 am

And this episode gives perfect proof of precisely how much the people of these United States can count upon the Red wing of the great, bipartisan Boot-On-Your-Neck Party for protection against the predations of their bosom buddies across the aisle.

“Why didn't the Republicans investigate this 'birth certificate' issue? Isn't the fact that the McCain campaign didn't think it was worth looking into PROOVE that there's nothing to this thing?”

Er, yeah, Sure, Hoo-boy, Obamaphiles. Like the “go-along-to-get-along” gutless wonders of Socialist Party “B” are this nation's staff and support and hope of redemption?

Jeez, Omaar, how far up your ass had you been keeping your head wedged over the past 20 years and more?


Omaar
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 1:18 am

You would know More about  Up The ASS more so than MOST…

You Rush Limbaugh & Sean Hannity are Bed Mates and Bunk Mates…

You Specialize in  [Bend Over Methodology]

1. This Nation is a Semi-Socialist Nation.

2. Who in the  Hell do you THINK FINANCES our 2  Mid-East Wars.

Answer: Communist-Socialist China…Dumb ASS !!

3. Bush-Cheney Borrowed 20 Billion Dollars Per Month for 6 Years and Counting and with Interest to..

Answer: Communist-Socialist China

4. Who OWNS MAJOR US Government Bonds to this Country…

Answer: Communist-Socialist China

5. Who Helped Communist-Socialist Viet Nam Become Trading-Business Partners with the USA…

Answer: The Republican Party, Via  Rep. Sen.John McCain

6. The Bush Administration Sold Out this Nation's Factory Workers and gave Corporate America Major Perks and Bonuses to Uproot from the USA for Communist-Socialist China & Viet Nam.

7. The Bush Admin. & his 6 Year Republican Party and Corporate USA Sold Out this Nation's Workers to Mexico, India,Canada, Brazil and South America.

8. Medi-Care & Medi-Caid Increase & Continuation, Via The Bush-Cheney's
Administration 

9. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage & False News [Fox News] Never called Bush-Cheney [Communist-Socialist]

Good Ole Republican Close Your Eyes &  Bend Over [Communist-Socialist-Capitalism]


Omaar
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 1:25 am

Tuci: Go Somewhere and Blow Your Damn Brains Out…

You would know More about Up The ASS more so than MOST…

You Rush Limbaugh & Sean Hannity are Bed Mates and Bunk Mates…

You Specialize in [Bend Over Methodology]

1. This Nation is a Semi-Socialist Nation.

2. Who in the Hell do you THINK FINANCES our 2 Mid-East Wars.

Answer: Communist-Socialist China…Dumb ASS !!

3. Bush-Cheney Borrowed 20 Billion Dollars Per Month for 6 Years and Counting and with Interest..

Answer: Communist-Socialist China

4. Who OWNS MAJOR US Government Bonds in this Country…

Answer: Communist-Socialist China

5. Who Helped Still Communist-Socialist & Viet Nam Become Trading-Business Partners with the USA…

Answer: The Republican Party, Via Rep. Sen.John McCain

6. The Bush Administration Sold Out this Nation's Factory Workers and gave Corporate America Major Perks and Bonuses to Uproot from the USA for Communist-Socialist China & Viet Nam.

7. The Bush Admin. & his 6 Year Republican Party and Corporate USA Sold Out this Nation's Workers to Mexico, India,Canada, Brazil and South America.

8. Medi-Care & Medi-Caid Increase & Continuation, Via The Bush-Cheney's
Administration

9. Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage & False News [Fox News] Never called Bush-Cheney [Communist-Socialist]

Good Ole Republican Close Your Eyes & Bend Over [Communist-Socialist-Capitalism]

Communist-Socialist China, Makes Most Our Products and You Talk about [Socialism] under President Obama..

You… Jack ASS


Tuci78
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Er, Omaar, bubchen, what the hell gives you to think that I'm a REPUBLICAN, anyway?

I agree with your point Number 1. I think its friggin' horrible, and were all the socialists in all the world (most emphatically, all of 'em in these United States) to coalesce into one single person, I'd dearly – in the figurative sense, stevie! – love to do a Caligula on whatever neck stretches between that critter's collarbones and chin.

Socialists, to repeat, are on my “Better Off Dead List.”

And that includes Republican Party socialists.

So have a nice one, putzie.


Omaar
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 1:31 am

Low Life, I Don't Give A Rats Ass what Political Persuasion You are…

You're Just a Race Hating, Bitter Bigot.

He's The President…Reality
_________________________

You would know More about  Up The ASS more so than MOST…

You Rush Limbaugh & Sean Hannity are Bed Mates and Bunk Mates…

You Specialize in  [Bend Over Methodology]

1. This Nation is a Semi-Socialist Nation.

2. Who in the  Hell do you THINK FINANCES our 2  Mid-East Wars.

Answer: Communist-Socialist China…Dumb ASS !!

3. Bush-Cheney Borrowed 20 Billion Dollars Per Month for 6 Years and Counting and with Interest..

Answer: Communist-Socialist China

4. Who OWNS MAJOR US Government Bonds in this Country…

Answer: Communist-Socialist China

5. Who Helped Still Communist-Socialist & Viet Nam Become Trading-Business Partners with the USA…

Answer: The Republican Party, Via  Rep. Sen.John McCain

6.
The Bush Administration Sold Out this Nation's Factory Workers and gave
Corporate America Major Perks and Bonuses to Uproot from the USA for
Communist-Socialist China & Viet Nam.

7. The Bush Admin.
& his 6 Year Republican Party and Corporate USA Sold Out this
Nation's Workers to Mexico, India,Canada, Brazil and South America.

8. Medi-Care & Medi-Caid Increase & Continuation, Via The Bush-Cheney's
Administration 

9.
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Dennis Praeger, Michael Savage
& False News [Fox News] Never called Bush-Cheney
[Communist-Socialist]

Good Ole Republican Close Your Eyes &  Bend Over [Communist-Socialist-Capitalism]

Communist-Socialist China, Makes Most Our Products and You Talk about [Socialism] under President Obama..

You… Jack ASS


Tuci78
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 1:38 am

Dunno as there's any “Race” I particularly hate, Omaar. No human ethnic group certainly.

So to what “Race” d'you belong, pupchen? Martian?


Omaar
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 1:40 am

Somehow, the House got 158 Republicans — including nearly all members of the leadership — to vote for a resolution last night that declares President Obama was born in Hawaii. But it appears that the resolution wasn’t intentionally aimed at the fringe movement plaguing the Republican Party these days: the people who insist Obama isn’t actually a citizen of the United States.

Instead, aides to Democratic Rep. Neil Abercrombie of Hawaii — the sponsor of the resolution — say the impact on the “birther” movement was just an amusing sideshow to a resolution that was just supposed to be a simple celebration of the 50th anniversary of Hawaii’s statehood.

“When we realized that it might stir them up, we just kind of smiled,” said Abercrombie spokesman Dave Helfert.

The resolution, adopted last night on a vote of 378-0, notes that “the 44th President of the United States, Barack Obama, was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.” To Abercrombie, who was friends with Obama’s father and knew the president when he was a toddler, any resolution celebrating Hawaii’s anniversary would naturally mention Obama because “it is a matter of great pride in Hawaii that Barack Obama is a native son,” Helfert said.


Omaar
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 1:41 am

Provide me with [Your] Original Birth Certificate and Social Security Number…
______________________

Prove to Me, America and the World…

You are an American Citizen.

Low Life.

You have Race Hate on the Brain

A Bi-Racial Man, You Call Black, African, Mulatto, Arab or Barry [Step Fathers Name] whatever…

Barry Won the Presidency, in a Majority White Society.

Barry Won the Popular Vote.

Barry Won the Electoral College.

Barry Soetoro-Barack Obama or any other name, you wish to call him, is…

Is President Of The USA…

Barry-Barack Obama is Commander in Chief of the USA

Now, Go Have a Seizure or Cardiac Arrest or Better Still, Kill Yourself.

Denial is an Ugly Thing…Indeed.


Omaar
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 1:44 am

Put a Gun To Your head and Kill Yourself.

This is the Last Response.

He's My President.

My Commander In Chief.

Leader Of This Nation.

Proud Of Him, Compared To Bush And Cheney

Move To Europe or Canada…

Meet Your Maker [Satan]

Here is Steaming Hot There


Tuci78
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 2:03 am

Somehow, the House got 158 Republicans….”

Yeah. Ain't that shameful, Omaar?

But note that out of a possible 434 pandering, “go along to get along” Demopublicans (I'm not yet counting Ron Paul, 'cause I haven't been able to find out how he'd voted, and I suspect he'd probably left the chamber in disgust for a cup of coffee while Abercrombie [D-Hezbollah] was riding his resolution through), that statement – binding or non-binding, I wonder? – went 57 votes shy of unanimity

You got a list of the folks who just decided to absent themselves or abstain or go out and take themselves an urgent dump while Abercrombie was dropping his trousers and squatting over that fancy carpet at the front of the House chamber?


runninbear
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

Well Matt;
There you go again Lowering your self along with your IQ.that obviously has drop to the single digits.It must be hard to be Deslexestic and void of of any cognitive skills or understanding of the lanuguage,that you have obivously have no comprehension of.
What else do you need to read and understand that it was Obama records?I gave you all you needed and you didn't even read them or you would have had understood what and who it was talking about,but you decided to write your usaual tripe and refuse to accept the facts.Instead you come back with a another name.You and Obama ought to get a game of scrabble going that must be a 12 pt word.All your name calling just proves your fear and ignorance of the denying facts that you can't come up with anything but a name like buffoon ,it looks you have you been reading from his teleprompters again ?Barry isn't going to like you messing with his toy.
Fyi the only Heretic here is Obama the muslim and ,Indonesian citizen.and the fact that you can't accept his actions, just proves the case that he isn't qualified for dog catcher,and you are going to see very soon that Obama may have forged his way through the brith place but he still has to deal with that red herring the smoking gun that says he was registered as a muslim and he attended school there under the name barry Soetoro?Blame that on Bush?
This is where I stop casting my perils before swine ,because you need pablum instead of meat.Refusing to accept his actions just makes you look so unintelliegent,and like others turning a BLIND EYE to everything he does.Which makes you as patthetic as your uninformed choice of potus.
I can't help you any more you have dropped into the abyss of total ignorance and uninteligent comments,and name calling that is so typical of most of the bloggs that I have tried to share what Obama hasn't been telling you.Yet I tried?to exchange any more words,not name calling.It would be a waste of my time so I will end this here.I could say this has been informative but then I would be like you and the OBAMABOT that refuses to tell the truth and some one who makes comments and judgements on situations that he admitted he knew nothing about.but couldn't keep his mouth shut and let due process take it course.I suppose you will deny that this even took place.and blame it on Bush and that damn teleprompter?


DWB
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

This explains it all, Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697


Matt Taylor
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

Dumbass, if you are going to try and insult someone by accusing them of being dyslexic, SPELL IT CORRECTLY.


ItsJo
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

runninbear: Good post among the “Obama Bootlickers” that ridicule ANY person who may disagree with them. There are just too many things about Obama that needed an
investigation that the MSM, Holly-woodheads & Swooners would NOT do during his time
campaigning, and STILL are NOT addressed. These SAME people just hate it, that others do NOT believe this guy, even when he SEALED his OWN records. If he had nothing to hide, why not release the “true, long form b.cert. along with his college and medical records? He has spent over $lmillion w/his team of attornies, quashing ALL the lawsuits that are asking for proof, and he has gotten his Lemmings to go out to fight
his battle on the certificate. Gibbs smirking and saying it is 'already proven' & ad nauseum is actually….well, nauseating. He has mouthpieces doing his 'dirty work', while he has hidden many things about his past. Obama HAS lied about many of his mentors: Wm.Ayres/wife-the terrorists he claimed NOT to know well, when he worked inCAC w/Ayres for 6 yrs.,supposedly using Annenberg Funds for education, yet it was in their(CAC) OWN investigation that deemed the $60million “Was Squandered” and NOT spent on the students. The two had free reign in spending it on “Community Organizing”(greasing palms for future votes for Obama's Political Coming OUT”….he lied about NOT hearing the Racist Rev.Wright denouncing America for over 20 yrs. along with his America Hating Wife. He had as another Mentor, Frank Marshall Davis,
the head of the Communist Party of Hawaii. This all, of course is NOT important to his
legion of “deaf/blind followers”, who also would make ANY excuses for him…EVEN his
involvement w/Odinga of Kenya whom he gave $lmill.to, in order to get him elected-EVEN after Odinga killed many, many in his country. Oh yeah, EXCUSE US WHO DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR MESSIAH, AND WANT TRUTHFUL ANSWERS-”NOT THE ONES THAT ARE GIVEN TO SHIELD HIS DUBIOUS PAST & PRESENT BEHAVIOR THAT IS MORE “ANTI-AMERICAN” AS HE GOES ABOUT THE WORLD IN
APOLOGIZING FOR THE USA.

You can ALL rant about how this is an answered question about his birth, disparage us that don't buy it,& ask questions. Of the REAL journalists who STILL have a little integrity & honesty left in them are taking the heat from you, in wanting the truth(NOT your idea of shielding O.) and that's ok, because eventually: THE REAL TRUTH WILL OUT, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. HE CONNED YOU, AND THIS ISN'T OVER.


ItsJo
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

btw: Those of you who “still get a tingle up your leg when the One speaks from his handy teleprompters” you may want to read about his following yet another of his mentor's: Saul Alinsky-the 60's Radical Leftist Socialist, who wrote-”Rules For
Radicals”. He has used the words of this man, to the letter, in “causing chaos while organizing communities(in other words, rushing people before they know what hit them) and rushing agendas into place”.

While he AND Hillary are BOTH students of the Alinsky Methods, do yourselves a favor and read the book, THEN decide if YOU
got conned by this “Fraud In Chief”, along with his Chicago Thugs. You just MAY REALIZE WHAT YOU ARE DEFENDING, IS ACTUALLY “BUYER'S REMORSE”, as he once again, uses YOU to try to silence his critics.

Obama used the “Alinsky” method, when he tried to silence two writers who had written books on him when he sicced the DOJ on them. He tried to take away their “freedom of speech” when he campaigned, as I guess ONLY HIS freedom to speak is important. Oddly enough, those of you who got sucked in by this guy,
will see YOUR freedoms taken away also, as he moves his Marxist Agenda forward. ALL THESE ACTIONS BY OBAMA ARE ABOUT CONTROL, AND NOTHING LESS. OPEN YOUR EYES & MINDS FOLKS. WAKE UP.


ItsJo
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

Hey Omaar: I don't know HOW much you really DO understand about America and
the fact that we have a country that HAS a Constitution, which IS the LAW OF THE LAND. Though you and your ilk, along w/your Messiah, want to 'throw this document
aside' and rule for the empathy your claim is NOW more important, realize that the reason is because Obama doesn't WANT the Constitution with the rule about being a
“Natural-Born-Citizen” to weigh in here. Our Country was Founded by those brave enough to die, for this Constitution, and You and Yours' will NOT just throw it aside,
as you sidestep the laws and conditions it protects of it's citizenry. Wise up and try to educate yourself on matters, rather than rant as one of O's dumb lemmings.


36abc
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

why did it take so long .this is A fnnnn joke he could have handeled a long time ago. I dont find any truth in this now . he has lied to us like bush did and i dont here the bitchen now like when bush did .Wake up people before its to late .CHANGE MY ASSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!


ItsJo
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

Omaar: YOU, seem to be the ONLY one ranting about RACE. That's typical
as you accuse others of being racist. Wise up Idiot, we DON'T care if the guy is PURPLE….it's about his hiding his past, his ineligibility to be POTUS/.
You are an apologist for O, but try to read a bit more other than your HuffPost Rantings, as it shows your stupidity. You may just learn a thing or two, if you stop ranting and being an Obama Bootlicker.


36abc
Comment posted July 29, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

OPEN YOUR EYES AMERICA. GET OVER HE WON? AND LOOK HE IS NOT DOING WHAT HE SAID!!!


Omaar
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 1:01 am

Oh Dear, Lordy, Lordy, Lordy…

A Black Man's My President, I Mean a [Bi-Racial Man]

God Save the Confederacy, I Mean The
[Union]…

Wave The Rebel Flag..

Where's Hank Williams Jr. Charlie Daniels, John Rich and Gretchen Willson..

My Bad, They were on the McCain-Palin Campaign Trail….

And we Still Lost the Popular & Electoral Vote !!!

Robert E. Lee… .

We've Failed You….

Oh White
God Above….

Jesus Help Us…

Are the Good Times Really Over For Good …

I'm Quoting Merle Haggard …

God Bless The Confederacy….

I Mean….

The [Union]

Save Me Lord, Take Me Now !!!!

Why have Thou Forsaken Us..Oh Lord !!

The Lord Responds: Because You are
a Low Life, Hate Monger and those who Think like you are also Low Life's…

Did You think, that I would Leave  things as they were [Forever] ?

Changing Times. Every Race I Made  on this Planet and Everything Changes, Did you not know that ?

Get up to Speed….Or be Left Behind.

Move To Canada or Mexico


Omaar
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 1:10 am

This Country was Founded on Theft, Take Over, Mass Murder, Genocide, Slavery,Race Hate, Free Slave Labor, Raping, Pillaging & Plundering….

Ask The American Indian, The [Only True Native] to these  Shores.

Ask The Afro American Descendants [300 Years]

Chinese Endentured Slaves.

Irish Endentured Slaves.  

Messiah: George W. Bush and Dick Cheney Must Be [Your Messiahs] Your Moses & Aaron.

Any Ole Incompetent White Person, Will Do…Huh
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He's The President Of The USA…

Commander In Chief…

Holding The Highest Elected  Position in this Nation…

Leader Of The Free World…Got That

Don't Like It, Move Your Trashy Ass Back to wherever You Came From.

Now, Piss Off !!


Omaar
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 1:21 am

Republican Party: The Dixie Crats, Disguised as [Republicans]


scotttipton
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 3:14 am

We were just dicussing this issue after reading this article and this question came to mind. We know that Obama traveled internationally in his young adult life before all the national politics so, where was his passport issued? He couldn't get a US passport without a birth ceritifate so, ask the state department to produce the records for his first passport and this would put the issue to rest one way or the other. Personally I hope he was be found to not be a citizen because he is not standing up for our country and moving us rapidly to socialism.


RedGraham
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 6:00 am

There is no doubt in my mind that Obama was either born in Kenya or attended college here as a foreign student. I suspect it was both because he is hiding the birth certificate, passport and college records. If there was no problem, he would release these documents.

The Messiah is hiding something and will eventually need to release the documents, probably when new fake documents are manufactured. If he attended college as a foreign student he would either be admitting he was foreign born or he committed fraud which would disqualify him from being president.

There is also the question of his citizenship in Indonesia which does not allow dual citizenship. He never changed his name back after being adopted as Barry Sotoero so his name is even a fraud. He needs to be impeached if he does not release the documents. It is up to him to prove he is natural American born legal citizen, It’s not our job to prove otherwise.

Obama is a black nationalist communist, he is bad news and will destroy our country. If people knew who he was, he would never have been elected. Obama is not who he says he is, I would like to know who he is and then send him to prison.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 6:29 am

All of that seems to be pretty well discussed in Fredrick's The Obama Timeline, all right.

And the “destroy our country” bit is certainly spot-on. The “not a natural American born legal citizen” aspect of his past history seems to be the most expedient way to truncate his reign and thus mitigate the damage he's going to inflict upon this nation and the world's economy.

But, then, we've got President Joe Biden in his place. Talk about curing your bowel cancer and coming down with cholera….


runninbear
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 2:20 pm

Well matt
I guess the old saying it takes one to know one?Is as true then is it is about you? and its not my spellin that has you scared,ITs what I have said to you.It's the fact that you couldn't find your south end ,even if Obama gave you a map?lol and to keep belittling your self by this continued grammar school name calling. You can't seem to stop is indictive behavior of your lack of knowledge ,your unwillingness to even read what I have related to you and last but not least is your lack,investigative will to even disspell and repudiae the things I have made you aware of.and I could care less what you think about my spellin.So matt good luck with that dyslexia.You are as boring and elementary as your names that like a person with you tourettes,spell check that ?


Matthew Taylor
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

“I guess the old saying it takes one to know one?Is as true then is it is about you?”

Translate that to English and get back to me.

“and its not my spellin that has you scared”

Your SPELLING does not have me scared, laughing yes, scared no.

“.It's the fact that you couldn't find your south end”

I know where all my ends are, but thanks anyway.

“even if Obama gave you a map?lol”

Given your misuse of question marks I am going to go out on a limb and say that they don't mean what you think they mean.

“You can't seem to stop this indictive behavior of your lack of knowledge”

Let me get this straight, you are claiming that pointing out you are wrong proves that I am demonstrating MY lack of knowledge? (<— See that there, thats a PROPER use of a question mark)


Dean Bailey
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Lou,whats wrong with you? YOU LOST ME.


rich
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 7:03 am

If the US goverment under Bush cant verify the place of birth when doing a background check for a new Senator who will be privy to national secrets,then how could they keep us safe from terrorists,Someone could be a sleeper and our trillion dollar intelligence agency cant verify a citizens place of birth.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 7:10 am

What need had they to verify Barry Soetoro's place of birth when he slimed into Washington City? There's no such requirement for qualification as either a candidate or a sitting member of the U.S. Senate.

For President of these United States, yeah, there is. But the various state electoral commissions who superficially vetted Barry for the National Socialist Party primaries last year simply took his signed attestation as to that “natural born citizen” status.

Hm. Meaning that if he's not “natural born,” he'd committed multiple counts of document fraud in each of those states. Might wind up in a state prison rather than in a federal penitentiary. Much to consider, methinks….


Anonymous
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:58 am

No, you missed the substantive parts. Because, as the man says, “you are so fucking stupid.”

Figures that you didn’t notice anything but what you pretended to be arguing against.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Hey, “substantive”? You ever had anything “substantive,” little stevie?

Nah!

Ain’t your style, is it, counselor?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:40 am

A Senator on the Foreign Relations Committee, at that.

You get to hear the secrets that the President is lucky enough to hear from the CIA and dumb enough to share with you, if you're on that committee.

And it has its own specially-invasive security clearance. Which goes beyond looking at your stupid birth certificate.

Good catch.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:45 am

Dumb. Ass.

Hearings held for McCain because he was born in Panama.

No hearings held for Obama. He was born in Hawaii.

No hearings held for Bush 2. Born in New England.

No hearings held for Clinton. Born in Arkansas.

No hearings held for Bush 1. See Bush 2.

No hearings held for Reagan. Couldn't hear.

Get back to pounding Bud Lights at an American Grand Jury meeting, doofus.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:49 am

You're recycling 30 year old selfish hatred about Reagan's “welfare queens,” but at least you're honest.

Can't say that you're racist. Most poor people in America are white.

So at least you're just selfish.

What'd you think of the bang-up job Bush did, Nancy? Were you tickled at his fiscal restraint and common-sense application of decent American hardworking values? Did you like the way he put your interests ahead of Corporate America's? Did he impress you with his willingness to stay out of your life when he wasn't spying on you without a warrant?

Who are the “us” you refer to as “most of us?” Do you mean birthers? Or do you mean Republicans? Do you mean white people? Do you mean the voices in your head?

I'm not sure you speak for the birthers; they aren't willing to drop the pretense that they don't believe he's a citizen. So that leaves Republicans, white people, or the voices in your head.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:51 am

Answer the question. Did you ask for a copy of the President's birth certificate?

Never mind. You didn't serve in Vietnam, either.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:54 am

Wow. Looks like you ignored my many law-and-fact-based refutations of your absurd paranoid rambling fantasies.

Just like you ignored my many heartfelt pleas for you to put down the bottle before you head into the computer room.

I hope you enjoy your constructed pseudo-reality, runninbear. It seems like you're wedged in pretty tightly there. Far be it from me to pull you out.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:01 am

“It's Aneurysm genius” — runninbear to Omaar

The day runninbear gets to correct someone else's spelling is the day that Rick Perry gives Texas to the Native Americans after Lou Dobbs pays to smuggle every white person in Texas over the Mexican border illegally.


NancyLP
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 5:25 am

I've never been even close to being considered racist – and I'm not selfish. I'm a hard working American that expects hard work to mean something. I'm not in it to help people become drones as a result – Obama seems to think that I should work twice as hard to support those who aren't willing to put the time in.

I never mentioned Bush in my comment although I felt he started out strong in his first term, he didn't impress me in the second – I'm definitely looking forward. I was hoping for someone who would be more fiscally sound – if you think Bush looked into our intimate lives, just wait – Obama wants to get even further – just read his healthcare reform – you obviously haven't or you wouldn't have made the comment about Bush.

When I refer to us, I refer to any hard working person who doesn't appreciated their livelihood being taken by the feds. No I don't mean the birther – re-read my original comment again. No I don't mean republicans – I mean hard working, tax paying citizens who are tired of Obama in our pocket/wallet. Very funny about voices in my head………..

Sounds like you need to get a job


RedGraham
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 6:24 am

What Obama is hiding is that he was born a dual-citizen at best & his Kenyan father was biracial(part Arab which is caucazoid). The age of majority in the U.S. in 1961 was 21yr & his mother had to be at least 19 to grant natural-born status(she was 18). Too bad he gave up any U.S. citizenship when he was adopted by his flakey mother's 2nd husband & became Indonesian Barry Soetoro. Grandma & Grandpa Dunham in Hawaii were eventually saddled with the little reject and made lemonade. Then he apparently attended three colleges in the U.S as a foreign student or do you think he is just hiding poor grades. Don't you wonder who payed for his college? They were not the kind of schools most people can afford.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

better check your spell check A o’s


runninbear
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

Matt
Fyi That's a statement.and needs no question mark. The question mark character is not used for an indirect questions,but the question mark character is used in place of MISSINS DATA? and I guess you are so obamafied that any light that might get in to your brain is quickly shut out,because you are the one claimming the facts are in accurate.So does that teach you the proper use and applications of symbols that you seem to be ignorant of in the English lanugageSo I want you to just stick to cereal boxes and you get that secert decoder ring you have been wanting.and maybe you can find that too can sam! Bonappet'te


MalcolmO
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

Red – Do a little research, please. Dual-citizenship does not eliminate natural-born status, and not a single piece of precedent suggests that it does. Being born in the US, regardless of parental citizenship, grants full rights and privileges of US citizenship. Nobody can revoke their citizenship through an agent of any sort, and they cannot do so until they reach the age of majority.

You need to look up some 14th amendment laws and some citizenship laws. Honestly, I'm kind of embarrassed for you. This information isn't exactly obscure.


runninbear
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

What makes you so sure he has one, have you seen it too?lol Did you go to Hawaii or Mombassa,Kenya?Thats great where did you see it in the funny papers! I never said where I served,so why do you think I served in Nam? I was drafted flunked my physical and tried again a few weeks later, and they took me ” I volunteered “to go but they were bringing them out of Nam.Where did you serve? The National Guard?lol I did served as the presidential Honor guard “The Old Guard”,When watergate was going on.I was there to protect the president from draft card burners,and hippies that wanted to over run the whitehouse like you.Have you ever registered for selective service at all?Ive burried more service men than I care to,FYI and because I entered the service at the time the USA was still in conflict with Veitnam I do have the ribbon for Nam.


DWB
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

Yes I served in Vietnam, 1968-1969 I have a Army Commendation Medal that I'm very proud of along with my service to the country and Constitution. I was 20 years old at that time and I didn't have the knowledge that I have today or I surely would have asked. I suppose it's one of those hindsight, foresight knowledge things you gain with age. I took a Constitutional oath in 1967, served my country in Vietnam and to this very day think of my long time friends who came home in aluminum caskets. By some grace of God I want to believe they died defending our Constitution and country.
If you support your president over the Constitution, that document and all my Vietnam buddies support you too, I just wonder why no Constitution support? In that war 58,202 gave their lives for this country.

I insist our president must show that he is a “natural born citizen” and meets the requirements in Article II of our Constitution.
If that's too hard a task for our president to accomplish, he should not be there.
I will not support a president who does not support the Constitution.


runninbear
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

Why not you don't have any problem calling anyone else Racist?why stop now?most white people are poor ? Sounds like you have been using Obama's telepropmpter again,Where did you make up them stats? Sounds like you have a few Tinfoil hats yourself?lol.
Here's a fact for you and an enigma Obama was borned on the 4 of August and registerd on August the 8th.and Susan Nordyke and Grecthen Nordyke was borned on the 5th and registered on the 11th.Their ceritifcate no, of Susan's is:151-61-10637filedon the 11th of August,Grecthen Nordyke was 151-61-10638,Obama was borned on the August 4th and his number is 151-1961-10641.If you noticed the middle number has 4 digits and the others borned at this time only used the last 2 digits of the year they were born on the ceritifcate.Another error in his attempt to prove he was borned on US soil?but the error is so obivous even you could figure this out?lets see if you can x'splain that LUCY? lol


bigdogjohnson
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

It's time we got over this “birth certificate” fiasco. Unfortunately, he was placed into office by the electorate. What we keep missing is that if he was not born in America, the Clinton campaign would have been the FIRST to point it out! They could & would have stopped him cold.

We should instead focus our energy on insuring he provides the best policies for our country.


DWB
Comment posted August 1, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

So,, Hillary is not a Lap Dog to Obama? What do you call Secretary of State. I call it building credentials for the next run. She was about a lean as Obama was on experience unless living in the White House is experience.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 12:31 am

“Okay. The COLB apparently existed in June 2008. So where is it? Why hasn't Barry Soetoro put it into the hands of competent and impartial qualified forensic documents examiners to get a res judicata resolution to this bloody mess into which he's gotten himself?” –test-taker Tuci

Keep asking those questions, doofus.

Ask them loudly and often. In public, in view of people with cell phones that can record video.

Don't stop there. Let your suspicions guide your steps all the way to the Senate marble floor. Implore your hated government oppressors to set aside their undying fealty to their socialist usurping Kenyan dragon and look with pity upon you, an accursed crusty old Freeper whose grandchildren recoil from his hairy knuckles.

Beg them to throw up the shade and let the light in upon this dark Negroid Luo Arab Caucasian Pacific Islander Democrat Republican Kenyan British Socialist Marxist Nazi Lenin Boot On Your Neck conspiracy.

Appeal to their long lost sense of respect for the dignity of the proletariat and the hard working small business proletariat that pay too goddamn many taxes already.

Beg them to cast aside their reverence for Barry Soetero and follow you. For yours is truly the preferable course. We can all see that.

Sadly, we are all too dependent on government to bring us tariff-free Pay Per View Ultimate Fighting to rise up against our government overlords.

Sucks though. You have a very persuasive argument.


Florida Buddhist
Comment posted August 2, 2009 @ 8:03 am

tucci works the night shift emptying bed pans and has a lot of time on his hands


RedGraham
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

The simple fact is probably that Obama was indeed born in Hawaii as a dual-citizen & chose at 18 which one to be. He was given a pass for his time as an Indonesian because he was a minor during that time. The big question is “Which citizenship did he prefer and assume?” That COLB is not the end-all the Obama kool-aid drinkers claim. Hawaii allegedly “lost” all the paper copies of BCs from that time period after entering the information in a database in recent years. Who can guarantee Obama's paper BC on file there was not from Kenya? I recently read about a transexual who had his BC changed to reflect his new gender. Looks like BCs can be legally altered as well.


Anonymous
Comment posted August 3, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

Lou Dobbs has either gone off the deep end or has always been there and we just realized it. I think these “birthers” are hilarious. And I really think it is hilarious when a so-called “respectable” person buys into it.

I hope they keep it going – I need a political laugh every now and then.


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Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 7:06 am

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david
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:12 am

so, what's wrong with obama producing his long form bc and stopping all the crazies?


junkwes
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

I warned about this. I completely agree with Lou. I don't understand why Obama didn't just unseal his birth certificate a long time ago and nip this in the bud, or for that matter why he doesn't just do it now.


gladtobeblack
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

ARE YOU SERIOUS. YOU PEOPLE ARE SO RACIST. YOU CAN'T STAND THE FACT THAT AMERICA HAS A BLACK PRESIDENT. IT'S GOING TO DRIVE YOU INSANE. GOOD. MAYBE THIS WILL FREE THAT REMAINING OF US OF YOUR HATRED OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU ARE THINK LIKE YOU. GOD BLESS AMERICA


gladtobeblack
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

ARE YOU SERIOUS. YOU PEOPLE ARE SO RACIST. YOU CAN NOT STAND THE FACT THAT AMERICA HAS A BLACK PRESIDENT. IT IS GOING TO DRIVE YOU INSANE. MAYBE THIS IS A GOOD THING. MAYBE THIS WILL FREE THE REMAINING OF US WHO ARE SANE OF YOUR HATRED OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T LOOK LIKE YOU OR THINK LIKE YOU. THE DAY AFTER THE ELECTION, AMERICA WAS SILENT. YOU COULD HEAR A PIN DROP. THOSE WHO DIDN'T WANT PRESIDENT OBAMA TO WIN DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. NOW THAT HE IS PRESIDENT YOU TRY TO FIND ANY THING TO PULL HIM DOWN. COME ON PEOPLE WE NEED TO BE WORKING TOGETHER. WE CAN NOT GO FORWARD BECAUSE OF THIS HATRED. IT IS LIKE A CANCER. GET OVER IT AND LETS MOVE FORWARD. LIFE IS TOO SHORT FOR THIS STUDID STUFF. ENOUNGH IS ENOUGH. GROW UP 40-70 YEAR OLDS.


ewwe
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

I love how so many black people always play the race card and label anything they don't want to hear as “racist.”

Kudos to Lou Dobbs for trying to discover the truth. If Obama has nothing to hide, then why doesn't he release his long-form birth certificate with name of attending physician, hospital, and witnesses. In addition, why doesn't he release his medical records, college records, etc? Apparently, Obama has used over $800,000 of our tax dollars in legal fees to quell this controversy surrounding him. Why doesn't he release the documents? What's he got to hide from the AMERICAN PUBLIC?


Tim1964
Comment posted August 8, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

Blacks who use the race card when things don't go their way are only showing their stupidity – I think it's funny how American's are demanding to see obamas credentials are immediately labeled as “right wing extremists” and “racists.” The vast majority of Americans are finally waking up and I can guarantee you this……eventually, the truth, the whole truth will come forward about hussein obama. He's pulled off the greatest fraud in the history of the world…he's hijacked the white house a true usurper.


truthgoodness
Comment posted August 9, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

when children first hear of Santa Claus, it sounds like a good concept. at some point, these same children were SHOCKED to later discover that Santa Claus is not real, rather, a simple story that is not factual truth. a story to fool children about Christmas. feeling betrayed and upset, this establishes a discernment in all of us that not everything we hear or read is the truth. On October 30, 1938, millions of radio listeners were again SHOCKED at War of the Worlds radio Orson Welles broadcast. Later, they also discovered the truth.

what we can do as Americans is to purge ourselves of biased media and social engineering plans.

how?

1. when it comes to race, agree that we are all one race as Americans, and work to unify together, rather than finding differences with unchangeable conditions as to what we look like when we were each born. we should all be proud to look different, but unify s Americans, not in ggroups or categories. this essentially cures the racism issue, with the exception of those few who like to run to lawyers when on the lookout for money from ignorant people. same with pressing one for English on the telephone. just speak English and make things simple. no more Latino Pride, White Pride, Asian Pride, or Black Pride. Welcome to American Pride.

2. Truth in all levels of our Government representatives. If that means Obama is not legitimate US President, then replace him with someone who qualifies for the Office of President of the US.

3. Expose corruption in the news media, and investigate any news story that again can restore the truth to the American people. If September eleventh has other details hidden from the American people, then bring those details out. Anyone killed in the World Trade Buildings that day, if they were alive at this moment in time, would want the truth to come out. Those who masterminded the plans should be held accountable, even if it turns out that there may be some in our own country that pre planned this event.

4. Examine the hundreds of camps built across America that look like barbed wire, guard tower concentration facilities. Then, take a demolition crew to destroy these forever.

5. Reverse all Executive Orders that would allow Martial Law and FEMA to effectively destroy your freedom and liberty as an American Citizen.

truth=goodness


Anonymous
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 8:56 am

Why do you have to slur Italians? “Wop?”

Oh wait. You’re a birther. You cannot spell “whoop.”

Methinks you can’t kick much if any ass, either.

You seem sensitive. Probably best not to let a bunch of snarky liberals know that sort of thing. They didn’t seem intimidated… Can’t say I blame them.


stephenperry
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 9:31 am

Food for thought, part 3.

I call this one: “Birthers Tell The Stupidest Lies”

The birther I will use in this example is Randwulf. I could use any birther, but we all know how Randwulf cries out for attention and talks to himself when he does not receive it.

Just bear in mind, as you read the following posts, that they are each from the same poster. Randwulf. He posted all of these on the “Lou Dobbs: Hey, Why Won't Obama Release His Birth Certificate” thread a couple of weeks ago. Each of these is his word-for-word post in its entirety; I changed nothing and left nothing out. WYSIWYG.

By the way, for your reference, he was NOT directing his post at me in any of these instances. I didn't even post on that thread. Also, keep in mind that he is utterly above making personal attacks.

Post 1:

“You know what… you monkey f@cking, A$$-stained, piece of slime? If you ever had a human thought, and could put it into ENGLISH wording, I would possibly give you the time of day. You and all the other monkey-f@cks are in for a rude awakening. You don't have 10,000 peanuts picked out of your own simian sh1t to wager. So stick that up your escrow, sub-Saharan baboon butt! You don't have anything but your shit to double back! So why don't you and all the other proto-human wannabes tell your f@cking half-ape “president” to put his money somewhere other that into attorneys fees and produce some kind of REAL proof that he was BORN at all! It will cost him about $24 (at Safeway's current price) in bananas ($12) to get his birth certificate (if he has one) released. Oh, and I'm sure they would break with their usual computer generated COLB policy and make an actual photocopy of an original long form (if there is one) if he makes his request on official White House stationary. OOH OOH AAH AAH F@CKY YOOIIIII!!! MONKEY.”

Post 2:

“How did 30,000 illegal Mexican wetbacks get into our country and continue to run around with relative impunity? Could it be that nobody knows how to do their f@cking jobs anymore? He is and always was a con-man. The rules never applied to him. That is his mind set. It always was. He is a usurper and he is very close to being exposed. Get over it.”

Post 3:

“Oh good. That is a very intelligent response. What meds do you take with you Kool Aid bitch? I'll just play by your rules whenever you post. Here we go. Ready? You are stupid, kooky, deranged, delusional and otherwise mentally and emotionally f@cked up and therefore we don't have to listen to you. Like SHUT UP and stuff. There. Happy?”

Post 4:

“I can assure you that I am neither delusional nor impervious to facts, law, and truth. What do you think will happen when it becomes clear that Obama and all his minions are lying and covering up the lies? Remember Watergate? At the very least, he will be forced to resign from the post he should never have had in the first place. This won't go away like it did for Clinton when he was getting his blow jobs in the oval office. This is much more serious if it turns out like I suspect it will. So, enough of the name calling. I want to be civil but it is difficult to do when people attack personally instead of debating facts. Why does it always have to end this way?”

Post 5:

“Well, I think its about time we did away with some 'special' leaders again. What makes this country great is that most of the populous is still armed and could do it if things don't get done right.”

Post 6:

“Either present something of an argument in lieu of your insults and name calling or shut the f@ck up! Ok? Tell me why some people are carrying around the long form of birth certificate while Obama born in the same time period can not produce one. And since when do you lefties care about the health of the military or how politics at home could adversely affect their ability to fight the war successfully?

My earliest recollection of left wing liberal types being concerned about the military was of a bunch of dirty, drug soaked, long haired, Hippie f@cks rioting in the streets, spitting on men in uniform, burning flags and bad mouthing their country! Jane Fonda was their f@cking b1tch poster child and our military men in Hanoi prisons were being tortured for not talking to her lying whore ass while she sucked up to the commies and helped them make anti-American propaganda movies. That is how liberals are concerned about our military, bitch!

So who's the f@cking “JOKE”? So are you a liberal? I'll tell you right now that a hell of a lot more of the “birfoons” who have served in the military than there are anti-”birfoons” who have. Most of you libs are such f@cking pu$$ies that you wouldn't be worth a $hit in combat anyway. So take all your silly f@cking liberal mental disease and shove it up your commie ass. Absurd drivel indeed! We'll see. There is blood in the water.”

Post 7:

“Actually, it might surprise you to know that I am African-American. I'm not a racist. I AM a racialist though. Thanks for looking after us Negroes though. We really appreciate it. I'm a racialist (cowardly I suppose) in that I want what is best for my people without continuing to seem like I feel that it is OWED to me and mine. I don't know if you can understand that but there it is. Mr. Obama is not making it any easier for those of us who have worked hard to achieve integration into the American mainstream. He needs to be honest. It is so funny how everyone just assumes that because I have a problem with HIM, I must be a raging NEO-NAZI, KKK, “Birther”, One-Toothed, IN-BRED, whatever…..Oh and BTW …Randwulf is the pet name my German ex-wife gave me. I am now married to a beautiful woman of color. She likes the name too. What is YOUR deal?”

______________________________

I know, I know. I'm wondering the same thing. Who knew he had such a huge issue with Jane Fonda, right? And what, precisely, is a “racialist?”

Did you get a load of that “I want to be civil but it's difficult when people attack personally instead of debating facts. Why does it always have to end this way” thing? Kinda falls flat after he went off on that “bitch” that he called “stupid, kooky, deranged, delusional and otherwise mentally and emotionally f@cked up” so that he didn't “have to listen to” her.

Oh, yeah and of course I love the last one. Randwulf claims to be BLACK! He claims to be married to a woman “OF COLOR.” I really laughed out loud at that one.

Okay. So now you see what I see. You know Randwulf by now. You know me by now. And you understand why I mock Randwulf. I do it because he has it coming and goes looking for it.

I didn't make him go from lucid to raving. He was making a second lap around the track when I showed up.

Back to the point: Randwulf lies about a lot of things. He cannot plausibly be black. Nor would any woman “of color,” whatever he means by that, ever marry him.

How many black guys post at stormfront? He posts the SAME things here and at that site.

So yeah, birthers tell stupid lies. The stupidest, in fact.

Any disagreement?


stephenperry
Comment posted August 10, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

I bet you're loads of fun in Vegas. They probably don't allow you to enter any of the casinos because they're afraid you're going to bankrupt them. You're evidently a genius who doesn't even need to use any tricks to count cards.

And when you play roulette, you just bet all of your money on one number, over and over, understanding that eventually, that number will pay off.

But the problem is, you're utterly, fantastically, spectacularly wrong about President Obama.

Thanks for playing though. I never tire of hearing about how someday the rest of the world will realize what today's sore loser racist realizes.


RedGraham
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 3:19 am

During his first 5yr as an Indonesian BHO learned his name was Barry Soetoro and learned to spell & write it that way. He retained the first name of Barry thru High School but I wonder which last name was on his HS diploma. Also did Lolo Soetoro continue to pay support for his adopted son? These factors would be of some significance in determining when BHO changed his name. I am guessing it wasn't until after the Pakistan trip and well into college where he was probably attending as an Indonesian.


Tuci78
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Oh, more than that. He learned to write “Barry Soetoro” in Arabic. Explains why he sometimes writing right-to-left, may the blessings of Allah, the merciful, the compassionate, be upon him.

The Pakistan trip might easily have been made on an American passport, but it must be acknowledged that Barry's Indonesian passport – acknowledging his citizenship in the largest Muslim-population country on the planet – would've made for a more cordial and much safer reception.

What would be even more interesting would be the discovery of where he got the money to take that trip. And how he paid his way through Occidental College and Columbia University, and especially Harvard Law. Loans? He never reported such on his financial disclosure statements when he slimed into the Senate in 2005. Gifts, perhaps?

From whom?


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Chad
Comment posted March 15, 2010 @ 7:01 am

It's not that hard. Just produce the birth records, which show that Obama was actually born on American soil. How difficult can it be? I mean, seriously, I can't imagine what Obama is thinking. If it were me, I would've already produced the documents, as opposed to allowing this thing to fester and create doubt in people's minds. Dobbs has it right: “You produce the signature, the doctor, the birth date, so forth, the witnesses, which normally accompany any birth certificate, and produce it from the hospital record, and we’re done.” Why hasn't he (Obama) already done this, like, a long time ago? What's he hiding? Moreover, why hasn't the court system subpoenaed the documents, so we can all, you know…get on with life? You've got Obama who won't produce and you've got a court system which has the appearance of being complicit with Obama's failure to produce. I don't get it.


Gordon
Comment posted May 5, 2010 @ 2:16 am

All Obama has to do is produce the original LONG birth certificate Vs what he has shown so far (i.e. an internet copy of the certificate of live birth).


Tuci78
Comment posted May 5, 2010 @ 2:44 am


What the Obama campaign released to the public in 2008 – and the ONLY thing that they or anyone else has ever released – were two computer graphic images in JPG format which they CLAIMED were made by scanning our Mombasa Messiah's Certification of Live Birth.

Had there been a true “internet copy” of any such document – and it is possible to create computer images with protections which reliably validate their provenance – there would be not much cause for discussion.

As it is, however, we have absolutely nothing – that's NOTHING WHATSOEVER – to support the allegation that the JPG images supposedly created by minions of the Obama campaign in 2008 had not been digital fabrications created with Photoshop or some similar computer program, and bear no true resemblance to any such document as might have ever been issued by the government of the State of Hawaii.

If such a Certification of Live Birth does exist (and we have precisely NO EVIDENCE that it does), the production of that document could enable it to be subjected to evaluation by trained, certified, and experienced forensic documents examiners who might then provide sworn statements as to their considered opinion of its validity.

So why has Ms. Dunham's little miscegenation not brought forward this COLB document for such evaluation?

The most likely answer to that question is today precisely what it has been for the past two years. No such real document exists, nor could it ever exist as the result of lawful action by an officer of the State of Hawaii, because Barry Soetoro (birth name Barack Hussein Obama) was not born in Hawaii.

What other possible presumption can reasonably or honestly (and that leaves out Barry's boosters everywhere) be made?


Glen_RI
Comment posted May 5, 2010 @ 3:27 pm

Excuse me — Ms. Dunham's “little miscegenation?”

Sir, or Madam, you reveal yourself to be nothing more than a hate-filled bigot. To remind you, in 1967 the United States Supreme Court unanimously ruled that anti-miscegenation laws are unconstitutional. That's right, blacks and whites can marry each other in the United States of America.

And yet you spit out the word “miscegenation” clearly using it as a pejorative term. It's frankly shocking to see the evil and ugly specter of hatred against blacks or mixed race persons still persisting in 2010.

What ever else you have to say is of no consequence because you have revealed your true self. Bigot. Hater. What an awful human being you are.


Tuci78
Comment posted May 5, 2010 @ 6:12 pm


Glen_RI (so knee-jerk a “Liberal” that his brain-death approaches certifiable reliability, and we may now begin harvesting his organs) whines that “miscegenation laws are unconstitutional.”

Tsk. Laws infringing the individual's unalienable right to keep and bear arms are also unconstitutional, yet we hear much from the “Liberal” scum (that's a pejorative, but it's both useful and aesthetically satisfying) that disarming law-abiding citizens and therefore making them more susceptible to the predations of both freelance and government criminals is something to which the “Liberals'” neighbors must submit – “for the CHILDREN!”

That a concept, when written into the statute books, produces an unconstitutional enactment does not make the concept disappear from usage, nor does that concept – miscegenation in the case of Barry Soetoro – not apply to Ms. Stanley Dunham's reproductive activities with whatever male contributed his gametes to the fecundation of the pregnancy of which Ms. Dunham was delivered in Mombasa those many years ago.

Oh, sorry. Glen_RI is one of those silly clowns who keeps trying to pass off the Big Lie that Barry Soetoro had been born in Honolulu and is therefore not criminal in his current occupation of a public office which the Constitution (remember “unconstitutional,” Glen?) explicitly forbids alien-born people like Barry from holding.

And then Glen_RI proceeds to yet more logical error (how come these “Liberal” friggin' jizzwads cannot avoid fatal fallacies every time they start spasmodically groping at computer keyboards?) in claiming – hoo, boy – anyone who observes that Barry Soetoro is a hybrid of two distinctly different ethnic groups is automatically to be dismissed as unworthy of the “Liberal's” consideration.

Well, hell. I'm speaking with factual accuracy here. Of COURSE no “Liberal” can bear to read what I write. Glen_RI – like all such “Liberal” excreta – lives in a plenum of lies, stupidity, and psychopathic denial. Reality to a creature so afflicted is utter poison.

Aw. Have a hemorrhage, Glen. Bleed out quickly so that what remains useful of you – your viscera – can be put to better use.


Glen_RI
Comment posted May 5, 2010 @ 6:29 pm

Hi there Tuci. I see you've written something. Sorry you wasted your time writing it. I didn't read it. As I said before: What ever else you have to say is of no consequence because you have revealed your true self. Bigot. Hater. It's plain for all to see. Have a nice life.


gdadl
Comment posted May 6, 2010 @ 12:59 am

Rather than just responding with personal attacks why don't you present some facts that show Tim1964 is incorrect ?


gdadl
Comment posted May 6, 2010 @ 1:01 am

No we are not racist. We just want to see his LONG form birth certificate.

Oh and gladtobeblack, I look forward to personal attack on me, just because I don't happen to agree with you.


gdadl
Comment posted May 6, 2010 @ 1:06 am

But when will we see his orginal LONG form both certificate? Does the fact that I am just asking that also make me a bigot ?


stephenperry
Comment posted May 6, 2010 @ 7:50 am

Two reasons. One, nothing Tim1964 wrote deserved a serious response. Two, the facts that show Tim1964 is incorrect are publicly available and well-known to everyone. Three, mocking Tim1964 is more amusing to me than pointing out the obvious. Like what I'm now having to do here, for you. Oh shit that's three reasons. Sue me.


stephenperry
Comment posted May 6, 2010 @ 7:58 am

Wow. Idiocy lives and breathes. I'd have thought you'd still be licking your wounds in a cave and hoping the Secret Service doesn't really mind all those death threats you made against our President, test-taker. Still beating that birther drum? Atta boy. Never give up. And keep taking those pills.


Tuci78
Comment posted May 6, 2010 @ 8:30 am


Pish and tush, little stevie stool-between-the-ears. Since 17 November last year, I've been having fun shoving broken glass down the throats of your fellow “Liberals” over the anthropogenic global warming (AGW) fraud so deliciously blown past the MSM filtering apparatus by Climategate.

Your Mombasa Messiah's criminal violation of the law of the land has been adequately demonstrated, and with the Lakin case proceeding will almost certainly gain more currency in public discussion now.

I'm surprised you haven't succumbed yet to a realistic appreciation of your own moral and intellectual bankruptcy and done the right thing.

Must be difficult for you, little stevie. As alien to factual reality as you've always shown yourself to be, even with the muzzle of the shotgun tucked right up under your chin, you missed, didn'tcha?


Tuci78
Comment posted May 6, 2010 @ 8:32 am


Aw, Glen. You're a “Liberal.” NOBODY expects you to accept factual reality.

Whatever in your diseased little excuse for a mind gives you to assume that anyone speaking sense is ever speaking TO you?


wayoutwest
Comment posted May 7, 2010 @ 3:57 am

Dr B, i see you have crawled out from under your shell again. Did all that oil in the gulf clog your gills?

I thought you had abandoned birtherdom and migrated to climate fantasyland. I think a teabagging is in your future and then go get them immigants.


Jim
Comment posted July 13, 2010 @ 5:05 pm

Anyone who obtains federal employment has to show their birth certificate. Except President Obama. Why?


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only mee
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:39 am

Prove that he was born in Kenya.
He was born in Hawaii & has produced his Hawaiian BC. You can’t take U.S. citizenship away from anyone.
You are so full of $h1t that you give $h1t a bad name.


Tucci78
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:58 am


Nah. Barry Soetoro (operating under the alias “Barack Hussein Obama”) presented COMPUTER GRAPHIC IMAGES of what were alleged – by his handlers – to have been made from a legal document supposedly issued to “Barack Hussein Obama” by the government of the state of Hawaii in 2007.

The legal document itself, all signed and embossed with a State of Hawaii seal and everything else? Never seen. As a matter of fact, legal expenses of monetary value well in excess of a million bucks (probably a helluva lot more by now) have been sustained by this scheming shyster – whatever the hell his name really is – to AVOID putting that piece of paper in front of trained and qualified forensic documents examiners prepared to testify under oath as to its validity and provenance.

You want to keep insisting that a computer graphic image – a JPG (supposedly scanned from something and run through Photoshop to alter it) – is the thing itself?

Boy, you must have a helluva relationship with your personal computer porn collection.


Sy Un Tist
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:16 am

Prove that it is a fraud. Almost all real scientists believe in global warming. Those who don't are the same ones who believe that the earth is flat.


Barb Dwyer
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:18 am

No, it just means you are ignorant. Like most other states, Hawaii got rid of paper BCs years ago. Everything is on computers. Do you know what a computer is?


Jerry Riggs
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:21 am

Obama was born in Hawaii. They have proven that his parents posted this in 2 newspapers. Plus, his Hawaiian BC has been shown. Do you think that back in the early 60's his parents put false announcements in the local papers so that 40-some years later he could be president? In much of the country (south) black people couldn't even vote back then, so the idea that BO would be president some day was pretty much a fantasy.


Eileen Dover
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:23 am

Obama produced his birth certificate before the election. Go to snopes.com and see it. Why do you folks insist that he never did this? I don't get it. Witnesses? The doctors and nurses are going to remember a birth from 40+ years ago? Give me a break.


Sy Un Tist
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:25 am

I have a friend name William who calls himself Bill, and a friend named Jennifer who calls herself Jenny. Wow, what a concept…going by a short form of your name! Call the police! Who cares whether his stepfather supported him; that is irrelevant to anything.


Sy Un Tist
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:29 am

He produced his BC before the election. Hawaii no longer uses paper BCs, like most states. Haven't you ever heard of computerized records?


m3
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:31 am

Don't you think that if there were anything to the “birther” business, the GOP would have used this against him? They didn't; nor did Hillary Clinton while she was trying to beat him in the primaries.

Go back to your tin foil hats.


15aposif
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:32 am

It's obscure to people who spend all their time reading comic books and watching Jerry Springer.


aosijfa
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:33 am

Obama produced his BC in 2008. Go to snopes.com.


just me
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:36 am

Ever hear of scholarships, loans and jobs? That's how I paid for college and graduate school.

Obama was born in Hawaii and has shown his birth certificate. Anyone born in the USA is a natural-born citizen. You can't take away anyone's US citizenship.


just me
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:37 am

He produced his birth certificate 2 years ago. Why don't you ask to see the birth certificates of any other former presidents?


Tucci78
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:46 am


All that can be had of that particular edition of *The Honolulu Advertiser* (at that time a small-town weekly newspaper) are microfiche records. Even more than microfilm (which is incorporated on reels), microfiche elements can be altered very easily.

Conspicuously absent from the microfiche records alleged to record that issue of *The Honolulu Advertiser*(as well as the records of the editions subsequent to and following the one in which Stanley Anne Dunham's cosmic mistake was supposedly recorded) was the birth announcement of twin girls, delivered of the wife of a prominent Honolulu physician.

As with everything in the life of America's Fraudulence-in-Chief, there is entirely too much of Sherlock Holmes' “the curious incident of the dog in the night-time” about Barry the Stoner, Punahou School “choom gang” member in good standing.

Then, of course, there's always that nagging issue. Just why does Barry Soetoro (the Hubshi Halfling) continue to employ legal services – even if provided him as a “courtesy” by his colleagues, but still of monetary value exceeding a million dollars and more – to evade an obligation to put before a judge a physical copy of a print-on-paper, signed and embossed legal document he can obtain from the government of the state of Hawaii for $15.00?

Remember, schmucklet, that nobody outside of our Mombasa Messiah's coterie of handlers has ever seen anything but those computer graphic images – a couple of Photoshop-redacted JPG goodies – of a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth ostensibly issued to one “Barack Hussein Obama” in 2007.

Try bringing a home computer print-out of a computer graphic image of your birth certificate to the DMV when applying for a driver's license sometime. The bureaucrat there will hand it back to you and tell you to get a LEGAL attestation – something a forensic documents examiner could pass as genuine – of your proof of identity.

Why is it that you – if you're a citizen of these United States and not as much a fake as your beloved Barry – have to cough up such a legal document and that stinking son of indeterminate parentage does not?


Tucci78
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 4:08 am


You mean go to Snopes.com to see COMPUTER GRAPHIC IMAGES of what is alleged to have been a valid Certification of Live Birth issued by the government of the state of Hawaii to one “Barack Hussein Obama” in 2007.

Not the “birth certificate” itself, witling, but Photoshop-doctored JPG images the likes of which can be (and commonly are) effectively created out of thin air.

Look, schmucklet, “virtual reality” isn't physical reality, and what you see on the CRT to which you've hooked up your Amiga isn't anything remotely resembling a legal document admissible as proof of, say, identity in a court of law.

Or even in a DMV office when you're trying to renew your driver's license.

As always, if the average American citizen can be required to show up with a PHYSICAL document issued by a state authority (or the equivalent) on check-safe non-erasable paper, duly signed and embossed when renewing a passport or trying to get a driver's license or applying for Social Security benefits, just what the puck prevents people from demanding the same thing of your Mocha Messiah?

Interestingly enough, when the 2012 election rolls around, it might be that a lot of states in this union of ours will not allow Barry Soetoro – under any name – to stand as the candidate for the office of President of these United States.

Louisiana and the rest of the Gulf states in particular have a helluvan incentive to do a “show me the birth certificate!” routine on our Usurper-in-Chief, don't they?


Tucci78
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 4:35 am


In the sciences, you stupid lump of dung, the burden of proof is on the person or persons advancing an hypothesis. The anthropogenic global warming (AGW) fraud began in the late '70s as an utterly extraordinary departure from climate theory at that time, which (on the basis of available evidence) was leading to great concern that global COOLING was taking place.

The contention of the AGW hypothesis was that human-induced increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) were leading to heat-trapping such that no compensatory climatological mechanism could possibly restore equilibrium in the Earth's energy budget, and thus catastrophically adverse changes in the climate – to include rising sea levels, severe storms, changes in rainfall patterns, diminished agricultural fecundity, etc. – was going to reduce the planet's ability to sustain the present and projected human population within a small span of years, usually before the close of the 21st Century.

The authors and supporters of this hypothesis were full of guano. They were incompetents who committed enormous blunders of methodology. This being evident even in the late '70s, dozens and then hundreds of scientists began pointing this out from the beginning. The historical record – particularly of two recent climate optima, the Roman Warm and the Medieval Warm periods – demonstrated (and continues to demonstrate) that even if average surface temperatures were to rise FAR higher than what the AGW priesthood were calling for by the end of the 21st Century, there would be no “catastrophic” consequences, as both of these world-wide climate optima had been marked by great prosperity in human populations all over the planet, with substantial die-backs when these optima came to their ends, as in the Little Ice Age (circa 1650 to 1850) which ended the Medieval Warm.

There are copious information sources available freely to you online which “Prove that it [the AGW blunder] is a fraud,” most notably in examinations which have ensued in the wake of the Climategate revelations, which brought into harsh illumination the practices of the AGW high priesthood with regard to the suppression of properly skeptical examiners of their bankrupt excuse for a hypothesis by way of controlling the editorial and peer review processes in scientific publications pertinent to climate studies.

The concerted connivance of the CRU correspondents in the e-mail component of that “FOIA.zip” file alone – a minor part when compare against the doctored datasets and purposefully duplicitous computer climate modeling code – serve as more than sufficient evidence to undertake investigations of these individuals as participants in criminal theft of value by way of deliberate falsification, particularly with regard to their applications for grant funding from government agencies.

It's not just professional misconduct rising to the level of malpractice on the part of these charlatans, but real criminal offenses for which they should be brought to book.

And we haven't even touched upon compensatory and punitive CIVIL damages, have we?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:50 pm

**Oh my goodness! A piece of poop has disengaged itself from the master dump, and is trying to justify once more it’s only remaining raison d’etre. Too late, Monsieur Merde! The greatest President of this Century has already released his birth certificate. But, we know you’ll keep chirping like we girls do “No No No. We want the LONG ONE.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 25, 2010 @ 3:51 pm

**Most of my American friends can spell their way out of a paper bag. You are raising doubts, my friend.


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maybe thats why his bc says hes white!


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Did you know that America can create 10 Million good paying Jobs almost overnight by Pulling out of NAFTA and WTO right now?

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Grandmastermicochero
Comment posted April 24, 2011 @ 7:50 am

he was born in Kenya,, he admits to a group of students that he was not born in the USA, but rather in Kenya, he states clearly that he was not born in Hawaii,, look it up in Youtube! Dumb ass American,, wake up!


Grandmastermicochero
Comment posted April 24, 2011 @ 7:51 am

Seems the only person in this country that has the balls to ask the tough questions is Donald Trump!


Devinbret
Comment posted April 24, 2011 @ 9:15 am

He never ever admitted he was born in Kenya, how ridiculous. You hear what you want to hear.


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Comment posted June 21, 2011 @ 4:50 am

Hey! So are you. In a way I was kinda sad when President Obama released
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I almost missed your reply, hotmail put the disqus notification in the spam folder.  Conspiracy!

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