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[...] Weigel has a must-read piece in the Washington Independent about the increasingly, and disturbingly, close relationship between the Obama Birthers and some conservat… The Republicans who appear to be willing to listen to “birthers,” even to debunk them, have to [...]

[...] Republicans: Obama’s birth certificate remains an issue with them. [...]

is that all the socialists can say, “Anyone who disagrees is nuts. “? If there is nothing to hide why hide it? Why did the dispicable governor of Hawaii not allow any requests for the birth certificate? (ANS: She is a Democrat). Wake up Wendy child born to US military family while overseas is a Natural born US citizen. Does the fact that the President is black mean he can ignore the law? Please get off the race thing! His own aunt said he was born in Kenya and she was there.

i call parody, the gov of hawaii is a republican.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Lingle

When YOU have “facts” to discuss, come back. Until then STFU!!
All you have are kooky conspiracy theories.

But that won’t satisfy people will it? It’ll be just dismissed as a forgery. I mean the groundwork has already been laid to dismiss any and all additional evidence. So, either you buy into this wrack-job theory, ample evidence has been provided, or you don’t and never will because it all be “forged”.

face it, at it’s base this is a racist argument. Obama does not look like McCain, Bush, Cheney, Gore, Kerry, Clinton, Dole, Bush, Dukakas, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon…, and so he must be a foreigner. Did anyone seriously question the citizenship of any of these candidates? did anyone demand the “long form” “vault copy” or the freaking holy grail? No. Because they where safe looking white guys.

grow the eff up.

But that won’t satisfy people will it? It’ll be just dismissed as a forgery. I mean the groundwork has already been laid to dismiss any and all additional evidence. So, either you buy into this wrack-job theory, ample evidence has been provided, or you don’t and never will because it all be “forged”.

face it, at it’s base this is a racist argument. Obama does not look like McCain, Bush, Cheney, Gore, Kerry, Clinton, Dole, Bush, Dukakas, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon…, and so he must be a foreigner. Did anyone seriously question the citizenship of any of these candidates? did anyone demand the “long form” “vault copy” or the freaking holy grail? No. Because they where safe looking white guys.

grow the eff up.

“her attorney friend BERG, a Jewish guy”
Psst randwulf…your racism is showing.

“her attorney friend BERG, a Jewish guy”
Psst randwulf…your racism is showing.

With his white mother and all, isn’t Obama just as much white as he is black?

With his white mother and all, isn’t Obama just as much white as he is black?

Actually, it may be Alan Keyes (a Black Man) who will be most instrumental in keeping this “Black man down” by the time it is all said and done. And as far as any of the other presidents are concerned, I don’t think there have been any in recent history who had a foreign parent. And why is the constitution “ridiculous”?

Actually, it may be Alan Keyes (a Black Man) who will be most instrumental in keeping this “Black man down” by the time it is all said and done. And as far as any of the other presidents are concerned, I don’t think there have been any in recent history who had a foreign parent. And why is the constitution “ridiculous”?

Why won’t Cheney admit to being gay? I heard from a number of people that he was definitely gay.
When is he going to give us the proof that he isn’t? His word doesn’t mean anything nor does the fact that he’s married. I want written proof from a reliable source in the government that he isn’t gay.
Can you prove he’s not?
Did you also know that Cheney’s maternal grandmother was black? It is hushed up for the conservatives. Can you prove me wrong? And do you think I will believe you?

Why won’t Cheney admit to being gay? I heard from a number of people that he was definitely gay.
When is he going to give us the proof that he isn’t? His word doesn’t mean anything nor does the fact that he’s married. I want written proof from a reliable source in the government that he isn’t gay.
Can you prove he’s not?
Did you also know that Cheney’s maternal grandmother was black? It is hushed up for the conservatives. Can you prove me wrong? And do you think I will believe you?

Oh! Alan Keyes! He’s someone to look up to and believe! Yeah, right!

Oh! Alan Keyes! He’s someone to look up to and believe! Yeah, right!

Name calling again? LONG FORM. LONG FORM, LONG FORM.

WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT?

If you are annoyed, go listen to your Beetles albums some more and STFU! Stay out of the debate! Stick your head in the sand! OR learn to debate facts. Don’t just be personally abusive. That is the way spoiled brats argue. Notice I didn’t say debate.
Obama is a f@cking liar. Get over it.

Name calling again? LONG FORM. LONG FORM, LONG FORM.

WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT?

If you are annoyed, go listen to your Beetles albums some more and STFU! Stay out of the debate! Stick your head in the sand! OR learn to debate facts. Don’t just be personally abusive. That is the way spoiled brats argue. Notice I didn’t say debate.
Obama is a f@cking liar. Get over it.

OK, 24aheaddotcom: the director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health has stated on the record that the State of Hawaii verifies the place of birth before it puts it on the COLB. Obama's COLB states he was born in Honolulu, The State of Hawaii verifies the place of birth. That pretty much makes swiss cheese out of most of your theories.

What do you have left? An international conspiracy 40 years in the making?
How much time did you waste on this issue?
What will you complain about now?

“The so-called “long form” original is a state record and under state law cannot be made available to the public.”

It can’t be made available to the public, but an individual person can get a copy of his/her own “long form” birth certificate. I ordered one from the Department of Health where I was born so I could get a passport a few years ago. It has all sorts of information, including both parents’ birthdates, etc.

“The so-called “long form” original is a state record and under state law cannot be made available to the public.”

It can’t be made available to the public, but an individual person can get a copy of his/her own “long form” birth certificate. I ordered one from the Department of Health where I was born so I could get a passport a few years ago. It has all sorts of information, including both parents’ birthdates, etc.

Well they obviously taught you wrong in school. In 1961 , the law stated that she had to have spent 5 years living in the US after the age of 14 in order to pass on US citizenship to a child born out of the US.. She was 18 when he was born. Thus, she did not meet the criteria to pass on US citizenship. So you are WRONG when you say he is a citizen no matter where he was born. He is only a citizen if he was born in the US

Well they obviously taught you wrong in school. In 1961 , the law stated that she had to have spent 5 years living in the US after the age of 14 in order to pass on US citizenship to a child born out of the US.. She was 18 when he was born. Thus, she did not meet the criteria to pass on US citizenship. So you are WRONG when you say he is a citizen no matter where he was born. He is only a citizen if he was born in the US

A “Certificate of Live Birth” is NOT the long-form birth certificate (the real document at issue).

Why won’t 0bama simply do the right thing and provide it? Where there’s smoke…

A “Certificate of Live Birth” is NOT the long-form birth certificate (the real document at issue).

Why won’t 0bama simply do the right thing and provide it? Where there’s smoke…

[...] Washington Independent, ‘Birther’ Movement Dogs [...]

Obama is not black. He’s white.
By your logic, if you can call him black because he’s half black, I can call him white because he’s half white.

Obama is not black. He’s white.
By your logic, if you can call him black because he’s half black, I can call him white because he’s half white.

Then go get it yourself. Just because I want something doesn’t mean it has to be provided. Go get it yourself.

Then go get it yourself. Just because I want something doesn’t mean it has to be provided. Go get it yourself.

Obama won.

Obama won.

Let me clear this up: I am saying BOTH that 1) the argument is utter, sheer, treasonous nonsense, and 2) that you’re a conspiracy-believing, tin-foil-hat-wearing, knuckle-dragging un-American pinhead. You have chosen to ignore the rule of law of this fine nation, a beacon of democracy to the world, making you an enemy of everything America stands for.

All you need to know is that EVERY COURT THAT HAS EXAMINED ANY OF THIS HORSESHIT HAS COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION: It’s sheer, utter hogwash, and our President needs to do nothing more about it… no school records, no photo of the ‘vault copy’ of his birth records, NADA.

The Supreme Court of this nation, the same court that decided that Bush won the 2000 election, REFUSED TO EVEN HEAR THE CASE. That means they believed it had no merit whatsoever. Get it? The Chief Justice, a lifelong conservative, swore Mr. Obama in. There’s nothing being hidden. No conspiracy. Swamp gas; that’s all.

Either accept the hard, provable fact that the President was born in Hawaii, and remain the above-delineated pinhead, or join the sane, law-abiding world.

At that time I would be glad to personally, publicly declare you a non-pinhead, and fully retract my statement.

And as for ad hominem attacks being a “lefty” thing, consider how many wingnuts attack the fact of global warming by pointing out that Al Gore is a doofus.

The Right Wing doesn’t have a TOTAL monopoly on ad hominem fallacies, hate-mongering, racism, hypocrisy, immorality, and corruption… but let’s just say they have a ‘strong position’ in the market.

Let me clear this up: I am saying BOTH that 1) the argument is utter, sheer, treasonous nonsense, and 2) that you’re a conspiracy-believing, tin-foil-hat-wearing, knuckle-dragging un-American pinhead. You have chosen to ignore the rule of law of this fine nation, a beacon of democracy to the world, making you an enemy of everything America stands for.

All you need to know is that EVERY COURT THAT HAS EXAMINED ANY OF THIS HORSESHIT HAS COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION: It’s sheer, utter hogwash, and our President needs to do nothing more about it… no school records, no photo of the ‘vault copy’ of his birth records, NADA.

The Supreme Court of this nation, the same court that decided that Bush won the 2000 election, REFUSED TO EVEN HEAR THE CASE. That means they believed it had no merit whatsoever. Get it? The Chief Justice, a lifelong conservative, swore Mr. Obama in. There’s nothing being hidden. No conspiracy. Swamp gas; that’s all.

Either accept the hard, provable fact that the President was born in Hawaii, and remain the above-delineated pinhead, or join the sane, law-abiding world.

At that time I would be glad to personally, publicly declare you a non-pinhead, and fully retract my statement.

And as for ad hominem attacks being a “lefty” thing, consider how many wingnuts attack the fact of global warming by pointing out that Al Gore is a doofus.

The Right Wing doesn’t have a TOTAL monopoly on ad hominem fallacies, hate-mongering, racism, hypocrisy, immorality, and corruption… but let’s just say they have a ‘strong position’ in the market.

OK, MORE NAME CALLING!! That’s wonderful kids! You are all so witty.

That’s all fun and stuff but back to the issue. OK?

The question is “WHY DOESN’T OBAMA HIMSELF AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE LONG FORM TO SHOW HE IS A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN?” Or any kind of a US citizen for that matter.

This reason he won’t is because it will show no place of birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA!!! Pretty simple. He was born and bred a KENYAN. Alright?

Further, it is only a matter of time before one, single, federal judge, with some B@LLS, somewhere in one of the many lawsuits working this issue will allow discovery to go forward. And then, we shall see, what we shall see. I already know what we will see. We will see what Mr. Obama has prevented and will continue to try to prevent us seeing at all cost. We will see that he is in no way, shape of form a US citizen. He never was. He is an illegal alien. He will be removed from office. Oh, yeah, BTW, McCain produced all of his records on request. Even his dental records were included.

OK, MORE NAME CALLING!! That’s wonderful kids! You are all so witty.

That’s all fun and stuff but back to the issue. OK?

The question is “WHY DOESN’T OBAMA HIMSELF AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE LONG FORM TO SHOW HE IS A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN?” Or any kind of a US citizen for that matter.

This reason he won’t is because it will show no place of birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA!!! Pretty simple. He was born and bred a KENYAN. Alright?

Further, it is only a matter of time before one, single, federal judge, with some B@LLS, somewhere in one of the many lawsuits working this issue will allow discovery to go forward. And then, we shall see, what we shall see. I already know what we will see. We will see what Mr. Obama has prevented and will continue to try to prevent us seeing at all cost. We will see that he is in no way, shape of form a US citizen. He never was. He is an illegal alien. He will be removed from office. Oh, yeah, BTW, McCain produced all of his records on request. Even his dental records were included.

Obama’s sister does have an Hawaii COLB even though she was born in Indonesia, however the certificate does state that she was born in Indonesia and there are no newspaper archives announcing her birth in Hawaii, like there was for Obama.

Unless of course, Obama’s mother was planning for him to to become President nearly 50 years later, and she thought he would need to prove that he was born somewhere, so she somehow managed to get the Doctors and the hospital in Hawaii as well as the Hawaiian newspapers to record his birth.
Wow, so many people involved in this enormous scheme just so a non-white man could lead the U.S. Imagine?
Well, I guess if they are all they smart and capable then they deserve it. After all, the conservatives have scared off any intelligent Republicons out of their party. I would rather have something that was hatched lead the country than the whacko’s who are in charge of the new Republicon party..

Obama’s sister does have an Hawaii COLB even though she was born in Indonesia, however the certificate does state that she was born in Indonesia and there are no newspaper archives announcing her birth in Hawaii, like there was for Obama.

Unless of course, Obama’s mother was planning for him to to become President nearly 50 years later, and she thought he would need to prove that he was born somewhere, so she somehow managed to get the Doctors and the hospital in Hawaii as well as the Hawaiian newspapers to record his birth.
Wow, so many people involved in this enormous scheme just so a non-white man could lead the U.S. Imagine?
Well, I guess if they are all they smart and capable then they deserve it. After all, the conservatives have scared off any intelligent Republicons out of their party. I would rather have something that was hatched lead the country than the whacko’s who are in charge of the new Republicon party..

this is moronic tripe. where do you folks come from?

this is moronic tripe. where do you folks come from?

Ah right – ignoring a moron means the moron must be right? lol

Maybe you should read the article. The Hawaii official who was qouted said that yes, you can get a COLB from Hawaii if you were born somewhere else, but You CANNOT get a COLB that says you were born in Hawaii if you were born somewhere else.

This is a perfect example of just how uninformed and nutty you birthers are. You take one fact (that anyone can get a COLB from Hawaii) and omit the information that would put that fact in the proper context (That the COLB can only state that you were born in Hawaii if you were in fact born in Hawaii).

This is why Obama is ignoring you, you aren’t in posession of the facts, and you choose to believe only what you want to believe, and most of what you believe is completely made up.

I think these birthers are not as crazy as they seem. They have an agenda like many others on the right. They can not accept the fact that Obama was elected. All of the effort they put into denying people the vote and manipulating the outcome didn’t work and they can not accept the outcome. Disqualifying him is only one of their options. If that fails then a coup is next, many have backed the overthrow of a democratic government in central america. Can they use this as a rational to overthrow this marxist-socialist president? I don’t think they will succeed but they may try. Their last option is the most disturbing and dangerous, assassination. This is the reactionary response of cowards and bullies when they can’t get their way. We have already seen feeble attempts, luckily Obama is well protected. The murder of the police officers and the people in church was the result of these terrorists inability to hit their real target, Obama.

I feel sorry for the truly ignorant, but I won’t waste my time with the willfully ignorant…………

He was probably referring to the 7 territories, stupid.

putting it in CAPS makes it more true.

HEY F@CK OFF with all your name calling!! Now read this.OK,

The question is “WHY DOESN’T OBAMA HIMSELF AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE LONG FORM TO SHOW HE IS A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN?” Or any kind of a US citizen for that matter.

This reason he won’t is because it will show no place of birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA!!! Pretty simple. He was born and bred a KENYAN. Alright?

Further, it is only a matter of time before one, single, federal judge, with some B@LLS, somewhere in one of the many lawsuits working this issue will allow discovery to go forward. And then, we shall see, what we shall see. I already know what we will see. We will see what Mr. Obama has prevented and will continue to try to prevent us seeing at all cost. We will see that he is in no way, shape of form a US citizen. He never was. He is an illegal alien. He will be removed from office. Oh, yeah, BTW, McCain produced all of his records on request. Even his dental records were included.

Where were you all before the elections? Don’t you all have anything else better to do for the American citizens?

Because he doesn’t have to. He has provided all of the documentation required to prove his birth in any court of law.

find something different to be crazy about.

It would resolve nothing for the Birthers, just give them more information to question.

Is the doctor alive? dead? Did he forge his name? How many calls do you think this doctor would receive from Birthers?

Birthers would ask for records concerning the address… Is there any proof Obama actually LIVED there… on and on…

No producing that document would do nothing to the Birther movement except provide more ways to try and question his legitimacy.

The simple fact is that HE was vetted and is now sworn in. The burden of proof now resides with you Birthers. He does not have to in any way facilitate your investigation. If you have no proof then you have no argument.

Please provide physical evidence that Obama is not a natural born citizen… Until such time that you can… you really have no reason to utter another word on the matter. Everything at this point the Birthers say is conjecture and meaningless.

factcheck is in the pocket of the Messiah!!!111 dont you know???? AFRICAN ZOMG!!!!

Ah. So you’ve chosen to remain an America-hating scofflaw conspiracy nut and an official pinhead.

I am saddened by your choice.

According to his superiors, it is because he is in the volunteer reserves and has the right to volunteer or reject a particular assignment. His assignment was already withdrawn before he thought he could get a lot of publicity for it.

Perhaps he wasn’t aware in May when he actually volunteered for the assignment that Obama was President.
Face it, the guy got cold feet and latched onto a hairbrained excuse. I say it is good that the brave soldiers in Afghanistan don’t have to rely on a nutcase like him.

Ah, another one of the idiot right wing’s misrepresentations. Obama said 57 CONTESTS, not States. I know it’s hard for little Right Winger minds to grasp, but there are elections in the US territories too.

Try looking up some facts readily available. Since Maj is a reservist he only has to notify the military that he has changed his mind and doesn’t have to go. That is what proves that this is a ploy. He asked to go to active duty AFTER Obama became President and then a month later said he wouldn’t go because Obama wasn’t eligible to be President. A publicity stunt.

Gee, “Saint” John McCain didn’t refuse any of these either., and he was born in Panama. What do you mean by ‘manufactured puppet’? I think If you look up fasicsm, you’ll see a picture of Cheney and Bush, not Obama.

Obama does not have to prove anything to anyone about the validity of his citizenship.

Excellent synopsis. The burden is indeed on these nutjobs to produce PROOF, not on the president.

2 be a tyrant, my uneducated friend, one must take away rights (Patriot Act), lie 2 keep control (the war machine), surpress education (NCLB, the piggy cry of “the educated are elitists!”), and control the exchange of information (fox “news”, “it’s a Liberal media!!!!”).

we all know who WASN’T ever really President. let’s just call him “w”. since neither you nor he have sense enough 2 spell out his name. put the am radio down and pick up a book, traitor.

the birfers are huge fans of the CAPZ LOCK POSSE!!!

You, my friend, are a conspiracy-believing, tin-foil-hat-wearing, knuckle-dragging un-American pinhead. You have chosen to ignore the rule of law of this fine nation, a beacon of democracy to the world, making you an enemy of everything America stands for.

All you need to know is that EVERY COURT THAT HAS EXAMINED ANY OF THIS HORSESHIT HAS COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION: It’s sheer, utter hogwash, and our President needs to do nothing more about it… no school records, no photo of the ‘vault copy’ of his birth records, NADA.

The Supreme Court of this nation, the same court that decided that Bush won the 2000 election, REFUSED TO EVEN HEAR THE CASE. That means they believed it had no merit whatsoever. Get it? The Chief Justice, a lifelong conservative, swore Mr. Obama in. There’s nothing being hidden. No conspiracy. Swamp gas; that’s all.

If you don’t like and/or accept the structure of federal and state laws and the U.S.Constitution which have served us so well, that have found that Obama was born in Hawaii, then PLEASE LEAVE OUR COUNTRY and take all the other “Birfers” with you.

Our national average IQ would shoot up 20 points immediately.

But but… that doesn’t get more blog hits!

OK DIMWAD you say you are from Hawaii, you could get your “Long Form” if you needed it, get it! Post it on the internet back up your BS retard. I am so sick of you clown ass redneck heathens with this. The President has hid nothing! Even World Nut Daily seen it reported on it as being REAL!! But YET somehow you REICHWING retards with the VULCAN MIND MELD capablities swear up and down we are wrong. BACK UP YOU BS OR STFU PERIOD!!

LOL, not to mention Stealing the presidency. Doh!

He volunteered to serve in Afghanistan because he knew that doing so would generate papers – specifically an order requiring him to report for his (volunteer) duty.

Then, shortly after the orders were generated, he filed his bogus lawsuit. The order requiring him to report for duty is a prerequisite to filing suit. I’m a lawyer. I’ll try to say that in english.

He could not sue until he could show that he had received orders to report. So first he had to get the orders generated. It was ALWAYS just a political set-up. His attorney has done the same thing before, with similarly spectacularly miserable results. It’s all just to score ridiculous points with the right wing lunatic fringe.

It really goes too far on many levels. Not least of which is the contempt it shows for the military AND the judicial service. You know, we ARE at war. And thousands of our bravest young men and women are fighting and dying in Afghanistan and elsewhere to preserve our freedoms. Having this no-account weasel volunteer for service under false pretenses, just so he could try to grandstand with an obviously bogus legal theory, is really more than any of us should have to sit through.

It’s bad enough that the Republicans play the race card from the bottom of the deck for four straight days with Judge Sotomayor, or that the Republicans in Congress cannot do anything except avoid answering questions about Republican sex scandals while keeping their fingers crossed that whatever Obama tries to do fails, so that America will be worse off and the GOP can get re-elected.

But when you have weasels tie up the system with fake lawsuits and make a mockery out of all those people whose tours have been extended, that’s just too much.

Did it occur to you that every court in the land that’s thus far overturned the lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate had the LEGAL authority to demand the long form birth certificate that you’re whining about? Did it dawn on you that perhaps the reason every court has rejected this lawsuit is because that evidence was already presented?

You’re right. Obama did not right the bill, but no President does. All bills start in the House, but he will sign it; making it ultimately his decision whether it becomes law and thereby making his law in the end.

Where is the portabilty clause? I could not find one. I also could not find where accessibility to new private insurance is provided. Please let me know where it is when you find it. As I said before this is not party politics to me. If you can show me the language in the bill, I will defer.

By the way, the grandfather clause only means that you can keep what you have. But even if you have an existing policy, you will not be able to change it later (i.e.: when you change jobs or want a different private policy). The grandfather clause does not allow to get a different private policy just because you have a policy now. That’s the point that I am trying to make. Through attrition, private insurance will go away altogether over time, as people change jobs, get laid off, etc.; leaving the government plan as the only available option.

Okay, let’s apply a very elegant principle of Logics known as Occam’s Razor to this problem. Occam’s Razor says: Of two acceptable explanations for a phenomenon, the simplest one is the correct one. The two conflicting explanations here are as follows:

1. Barack Obama’s birth certificate which was created, validated, and released by the governance of the state of Hawaii is valid and in proper order and therefore confirms that he is a natural born citizen of the United States of America.

2 Barack Obama’s birth certificate which was created, validated, and released by the governance of the state of Hawaii is a fake because a. the governance of the state of Hawaii and all of the people who work in the Department of Health and in the Vital Records Department are lying and they made up a fake birth certificate and then lied and said it was valid because b. he was actually born in another country and c. his mother is not an actual citizen of the United States of American.either, and d.Obama knows he is not a natural born citizen and decided to run for President knowing he wasn’t and he is lying to all of the 306,935,543 people in the United States and all of the 6,771,696,605 people on Earth.

If you chose #1, then good for you! You are correct and this is the proper explanation for solving this problem.

If you chose #2, then DING thanks for playing, but you are a total idiot. Explanation #2 is not only illogical and ridiculous, it is downright amusing and so are you.

All he has to do is continue doing the wonderful job he is doing.

If Jesus Christ were to show up with the document in hand and hand it to you, you would call JC a liar.

Not only is Obama foreign born – he’s from MARS! MARS I TELL YOU! He’s an Alien! And he can dribble AND shoot. Believe it! And his fingers are like… like… duck fingers. And, and, and he’s African-Martian, that’s it. African-Martian! Do you hear me? Do you understand? Do you care? Good Lord people wake up! Do you not know what he’s capable of? DO YOU!!!??? He could… he could… preside. Preside over us. As… a… president, like. Yeah, that’s it; as a president would. He’d do things like address a failing economy, crazy stuff. If we let him. Propose health care reform… yeah, sinister stuff like that. He’s a commie too! And a socialist and a fascist and a Michael Jackson wannabe. That.

He’s, he’s, black I tell you! Black!

The fruit cakes on the right are hereby officially notified that the above was typed in jest – lest you be tempted to cut and paste somewhere.

McCain’s eligibility got scrutiny because he wasn’t born on US soil. Obama was.

The Republicans may have ended slavery, but after LBJ signed civil rights legislation, and Jim Crow began to end, the racist southern Democrats switched to become Republicans. Makes no difference how the GOP started, it’s the party of racists now.

I did not know he was only a reservist. If those are the rules for reservists, then no court marshall makes sense. Thanks for the info.

Did it occur to you that every court in the land that’s thus far rejected the lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate has the legal right to demand an authentic birth certificate from Hawaiian officials? Or are you trying to now implicate the justice system in your 45 year old conspiracy theory to elect the first African American president? Poor baby…you assume that this country would stay racist enough to reject such a possibility. But in reality…you’re the minority. Disgusting and marginalized!

The question is “WHY DOESN’T OBAMA HIMSELF AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE LONG FORM TO SHOW HE IS A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN?”

Because he can’t. He can get a COLB from the state, and already has. That’s all they give out.

Tell you what, birthers. You find a Hawaiian around Obama’s age, and get that person to go to the Hawaii Department of Health and request their “long form” birth certificate. If they succeed, I’ll join in on the call for Obama to request his. Of course, since Hawaii doesn’t do that, he/she won’t succeed, but I encourage you to give it a try. You can find at least one birther nut in Hawaii, can’t you?

This is why people who believe Hannity, Rush, and other such celebrities, are idiots. If you do not want to be an idiot, don’t believe such lies.

Really as simple as that.

read what wnd.com has to say on this.

I am not a sore loser just a concerned American. Again, if you people can’t act civil and follow the facts them something is a miss.

If you believe the first African-American was taken at his word regarding his place of birth, you may be delusional as well as rascist.

I don’t know you, but I do know your kind, having been born and raised in the segregated South.

Do any of you Birthers have documentation that Ann Dunham left the US at the end of her pregnancy to go to Africa? And why would ANY pregnant white American go to Africa to deliver her baby, and then return to the US to go to university a few days afterward? Sorry, it doesn’t make any sense to me. I’m sure it doesn’t make sense to you either, but racist emotions have to be fed.
Get over it, the days of white supremacy in this country are over. Good riddance, too. And I’m white!

NO HE DIDN’T!  Check AGAIN.  There is birth certificate but HE WONT SHOW IT. Havn’t you been reading what we have been asserting?  I guess not.

WND is an OPINION site. It is not a news site. It is OPINION.

“Waning credibility” LOL.

Yum yum, that’s some good irony.

I am a racist?  How?  By stating FACTS.  WOW.  Oh, you think all white people are against Obama but that’s not true so stop unrighteously judging those who want to save this country from disaster. – Thanks!

I am afraid ignorant hicks like yourself are putting this country at greater risk. The greatest threat we face today is from within. From bigoted, neoconservative fundie nutbags like you, refusing to accept reality and to move on.

The whole movement you believe in is a right wing whack job theory meant to continue the hatred and ignorance of our past, and keep you people distracted while they continue to sabotage our country in the name of “goodness” and “morality” while selling it to you neatly packaged as being “patriotic” so that you crazy bastards will eat it up.

[...] Posted by Mr. Sparkle on July 17, 2009 http://washingtonindependent.com/51489/birther-movement-picks-up-steam [...]

Link, please, on the existence of Maya Soetero’s Hawaii COLB? Does it make a false claim about her birthplace? Proof? Because according to THIS VERY ARTICLE, you can get a Hawaii COLB but it shows your actual birthplace and requires verification.

And the document you got for your driver’s license was, by your own admission, a CERTIFIED COPY given to you by the state or county, not the original document. So you concede it’s OK for the record-keeping authority to issue you a document attesting to your birth record and not a photo of the original? Nope, the state accesses its database and spits out a piece of paper with a stamp to show that this is a reflection of the state’s records. Guess what — that’s the kind of document Obama DID order for ten bucks and put on the website.

What I’m trying to get at is… the CERTIFIED COPY you got is good enough for you to become president of the united states. The CERTIFIED COPY that any other person born in Hawaii can order (which would be exactly like Obama’s publicly released copy) is good enough for any other Hawaii-born person to run for president?

So why the different level of proof required for Obama?

You are so wrong where to begin?
But then you Birthers would not take the truth…you are like Christians that blame the devil when caught in a sin.

The supreme court has said that this is not worthy to talk about…the conservative majority court at that.
I have seen his Birth Certificate and read the letter from Linda Lingle (Gov. of Hawaii) and the Director of the Health Department that the original copy of Obama’s Birth Certificate is on file, as well as all “long copies” (original copies) of everyone born in Hawaii. Obama’s doctor that delivered him was Rodney T. West…2 minutes of research …at the Children and Womens Medical Center of Honolulu.

His documents have been shown…I have been to North Africa…I lived in Libya…1953. So what?

They most certainly have, Einstein. You used ‘infer’ correctly, so I think you have some brains. But you compromise your integrity by entertaining this drivel, making you a conspiracy-believing, tin-foil-hat-wearing, knuckle-dragging un-American pinhead. You have chosen to ignore the rule of law of this fine nation, a beacon of democracy to the world, making you an enemy of everything America stands for.

All you need to know is that EVERY COURT THAT HAS EXAMINED ANY OF THIS HORSESHIT HAS COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION: It’s sheer, utter hogwash, and our President needs to do nothing more about it… no school records, no photo of the ‘vault copy’ of his birth records, NADA.

Here is one court’s written opinion:

The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”

Either accept the hard, provable fact that the President was born in Hawaii, and remain the above-delineated pinhead, or join the sane, law-abiding world. At that time I would be glad to personally, publicly declare you a non-pinhead, and to fully retract my previous statement.

What kind of American says “au contraire?”

BARRY?!? You are referring to the President of the United States in this manner? Your profound lack of respect is foul.

Your lies would be hilarious if not so dangerous.

FRAUD?!? The ONLY reason you find the President of the United States a fraud is because you do not have the b alls to call him what you want to (and what you do in private) a N*G*ER.

Foul and disgusting.

Your handle reminds me of the conversation in A Fish Called Wanda:

>Apes don’t read philosophy!

>Yes, they do… they just don’t UNDERSTAND it.

If I could jump sharks with the mastery of some of these fools I would be a very cool dude.

You note that no legal entity… has certified Obama as meeting the natural born citizen eligibility criteria, when in fact, the Supreme Court of the United States swore him into office. How is this anything but the ultimate legal certification of his eligibility? Exercising independent thought is part of what makes America great. But at some point, “independent thought” that runs counter to fact (essentially ignoring the legal authority of the SCOTUS) is motivated by something other than dogged pursuit of the truth. One can not assert that President Obama was born outside of the United States (BTW, that rule was adopted to keep Alexander Hamilton from becoming President as he was born in Barbados) without accusing him of massive fraud which, running counter to truth, is outrageous slander.

Hawaii does not simply hand out a certification of live birth. If that were the case, dont you think many illegals would go to Hawaii first?

The sad part is that there are so many important issues facing this country and people like you take time away from everyone by keeping up this crap.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

“To date, no legal entity, court or congress, has certified Obama as meeting the natural born citizen eligibility criteria. ”

So are you saying that you don’t recognize the legal authority of the United States Supreme Court? Independent thought is all well and good. But playing fast and loose with facts to support outrageous claims of fraud takes motivation beyond dogged pursuit of the truth. Ultimately, you’re right. Free society operates by having nutcases advance whatever theories they want. Have fun!

Online just search for it, that’s what makes this so ridiculous, he posted the certificate on HelpFightTheSmears.org druing the campaign, but evidence is the last thing one looks for when filing a frivilous lawsuit, and perpetuating a political misdirection campaign, to take attention away from the lack of ideas in their own party, and a excess of poitical capital for a democratic President.

Saying “your side of the issue” gives the false impression that there are two sides and indeed that there is an “issue.”

There’s only one side: rational truth. And we’re all over here, and we’re glad you’ve decided not to join us.

And there’s no issue. Our President’s name is…say it with me…Barack Hussein Obama. His mother is American. No matter where he was born, he’s American. And he was born in Hawaii. So no issue.

Personally, I couldn’t be more pleased to have nutjobs like you out there spewing this ludicrous birth certificate nonsense. Like having Sanford and Ensign twisting in the wind, it is the best electoral message a Democrat can hope for.

Because it’s like running a very powerful ad that says “Do you want to be on the side of those people who are trying to take the country forward, or those who are obviously trying to hold it back?”

Will you vote for the poseurs and hypocrites who screwed up the economy and yet now have no idea how to fix it except by doing more of what got us into trouble, or the guy who inherited their mess and yet stood up and said “Give it to me; I want that responsibility. It’s my job to lead, not to stand on the sidelines and carp and gripe?”

Do you want to be a member of the party that draws in young and old, rich and poor, male and female, college educated and high school dropout, every ethnic group under the sun, or the party that has shown its @ss at every opportunity in the past 20 years? The party that consists almost solely of one age range of one ethnic group of people in one undereducated region of the country? The party that lies to the middle class and foments culture war to distract the people from the issues that actually matter to them? The party that tolerates the insane rantings of racists like you?

Please, please keep it up. And try to get yourself on Fox News while you’re at it. Some of our voters are getting complacent and need a reminder that work needs to be done. Particularly in the area of education. You’re doing all this public service for free. When Obama gets re-elected, he should really thank the nutjobs like you — it just makes his path to re-election all the more of a glide.

You know. I’m 54 years old. I registered for the draft when I was 17. I was drafted three days after my 18th birthday. I avoided going into the army by basically joining the Marine Corps. I had in fact already been accepted into one of their commissioning programs prior to being drafted.

I’m an Eagle Scout, university graduate, former USMC officer, holder a master’s degree from a major university and a self-employed construction manager for the past 20 years. I have never taken money form the US government for anything other than my scholarship from the Naval ROTC program in which I enrolled to be commissioned upon graduation and the pay I received while on active duty. I don’t ask much from government. I expect it to defend our shores, maintain a highway system and leave me and the rest of the citizenry alone. I believe in small government and free enterprise. I do expect my government not to lie or withhold information from me. They are supposed to work for and be responsible to US.

So if that makes me “an American-hating scofflaw conspiracy nut and an official pinhead” well, I plead guilty. I guess I just don’t measure up to what the NEW AMERICAN type is supposed to be. But I was saluting the flag and doing my duty, while others were burning and spitting on flags. I was working when others were laying around waiting for their welfare checks. I proudly wore the uniform and followed my orders while others grew out their hair and bad-mouthed their country. Now those people are calling ME “America-hating”? Whatever.

I distinctly remember the Navy requiring me to get them a copy of my original, long-form BC in order to enter my officer training program to become a 2nd Lt. It was a photocopy of the original with a stamp and official’s signature on it. Notarized. I still have that in a file with my Honorable Discharge.

I had no misgivings about producing it for the Naval authority since it was required. That is just to be a 2nd Lt. So now I wonder why the Commander in Chief has a problem handing over a copy of his. That should “sadden” you more than my “American-hating” I should think.

Well the other faux controversies worked so well last fall why not give the birth certificate BS a whirl??? What more can anyone expect for the insanity of the Republican party than to try the same things over and over again expecting a different result?

Now that you mention it, don’t all canidates get a background investigation check before getting secret service protection (start of campaign), on the intelligence committee in congress as senator(top secret clearance), has a u.s. passport, been state senator for 10 years…..WTF?

The SPOTUS has not addressed this issue. Rather, following a secret meeting with the then president elect, they have dismissed without comment all inquiries into his birth history.

Sweet, so “there is only one side” of the issue and “there’s no issue”. What was that you were saying about “rational truth”?

Trust me when I tell you that Obama could ride dancing thru the streets in Underoos, blowing a Kazoo wearing a hamburger on his head, shrieking like a drunken duck……and the world would say it’s STILL less embarrassing and obscene than how this country was perceived under the Bush administration.

Keep digging the hole. Just remember it’s yours – not his, you’ve fallen into.

Actually, I have the Court Opinion on that as well:

“5. Mr. Obama did not lose his U.S. Citizenship based on the acts of his parents, including adoption by an Indonesian citizen. The Court held that no action taken by the parents of an American child can strip that child of his citizenship. The court cited the 1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355, which was in effect in the late 1960s when Obama went to Indonesia, and which stated that a minor does not lose his US citizenship upon the naturalization of his parents or any other actions of his parents, so long as the minor returns to the US and establishes permanent US residency before the age of 21. Thus the adoption of Obama did not serve to strip him of his U.S. citizenship. Furthermore, the Court held that traveling on a foreign passport does not strip an American of his citizenship. The Court noted first that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport (Mr. Berg and others never provided any evidence of this claim or any other of the claims.) Nonetheless, the court held that such travel does not divest an American of his citizenship.”

Suck harder on those Sour Grapes, Birfers.

I too have been to Africa many times, and I love it there. Key word, that you said, “of African descent”, and you are here, not there, and yes you can go to Africa and be accepted as a welcome visitor, but you can’t just join the culture.

I stand by what I say, Africans don’t marry an American woman and take her home and she is accepted there. I know 3 women who were left here in America with their children when their African husbands went back home. It happened a lot when I was in college. Some Africans marry here and stay here, but most all Africans eventually go back home without their American wives.

One woman I know was nearly destroyed when her husband left, he tried to take their 2 girls back to Africa but not his wife, the children are accepted, but not the wife. She went there and was sent away. Her husband had another wife, and he was Ghanian, and yes, Africans still have more than one wife. Even if American African wives could go back to Africa they cannot accept the cultural lifestyle. Another reason they are not taken home. Life in the cities is changing though, city dwellers don’t as often take more that one wife. However they are often ostracized from their ancestral group because they are changing their life style.

I have met a few Africans who married here and stayed here with their American wives. Primarily because they themselves could not go home. While here in school there was a coup in their country and they were part of the losing group, and so were more or less exiled from their country.

I dated a Nigerian while working on my masters degree and have hung out with many Africans of various cultures, then and now, but some things remain the same. Many of them had a wife sent here from Africa if they had to stay in America several years. Not too long ago, in the Detroit suburbs, there was a story in the news about a Nigerian couple who would not let their daughter go to her prom unless she went with a Nigerian. They imported one for her to go to the prom with. So again, I stand by what I say. American wives don’t go home to Africa.

With all due respect:
1) The original document as released is acceptable evidence in a federal court of law.
2) 'Birthers' do not accept document as evidence.
One must either conclude that 'Birthers' do not accept the more common legal, ethical, or intellectual processes/outcomes, or that their goal is to create an atmosphere that makes political discourse impossible.

Why do you assume these people will take information and alter their views?

Not sure where I lost you. Sorry if the words were too big. And I couldn’t figure out how to use sock puppets to convey the point.

Go back to talking about what you “fancy” yourself doing, loser.

lol….you were there in person somewhere where they held this secret meeting…right?

Okay..so your saying that instead of using his Messiah powers to have something forged that would look like a an original BC, he instead somehow got the Health Department in Hawaii to whip up a falsified Certificate of Live Birth? And now all of their employees are lying to protect him. Wow.

And what about the newspaper birth announcements that are on microfilm in Hawaiin libraries. Are they forged to? Wow, this conspiracy must involve hundreds of people.

You people are frightening.

God wouldn’t soil himself with our politics but if he chose to I’m would hope that like progressives would deplore all acts of violence, murder, warfare, false arrests, adultry, etc get the point.

The Devil is the great accuser who attempts to mislead the children of men, by convincing them that their particular sinfulness is to great to be forgiven, once one gives up on themselves they find it difficult to approach the throne of grace, repent, be forgiven so they can continue on living a enlightened life, unbounded by the sin inherent to the natural human condition.

God doesn’t support any killing, he sent his son to die for us all, no more death is necessary for truth and righteousness, only repentance and acceptance through faith.

Only if you so chose however, none of this is binding.

I'm at least a little optimistic, because the supposed lack of clarity from Okubo was a central argument by the 24AheadTypes. In our conversation yesterday, she very clearly said that the state has verified that Obama was born in Hawaii.

HAHAHAHAHAAHHA—you got to be kidding. That is as lame as saying 911 was the fault of Bush. Liberals wont win that argument and conservatives wont win yours. But thanks I needed a good laugh.

I’M GONNA YELL TOO!
HE HAS PROVIDED THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE! YOU’VE SEEN IT!
Hawaiian officials have provided and authenticated it.
Is Hawaii just a pretend state to you or something.
WHAT DO YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND!
Must he go to each of your homes with it in a manilla envelope and let you touch it!
HE WON…LET IT GO!

My birth certificate doesn’t detail who the doctor was either. I would say you’re grasping at straws, but that does a disservice to straws, which exist and are useful.

It’s right here, Ad Hom,

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html

I'm really enjoying watching the GOP follow these birther turds right down the toilet.

“Everyone who is caught shall be run through; to a man, they shall fall by the sword. Their infants shall be dashed to pieces in their sight; their houses shall be plundered and their wives ravished,” says God, in Isaiah 14:15-16. I would imagine at least a few women were pregnant when he smote Sodom and Gomorrah. No, God most definitely supports the killing of the unborn.

I think it’s more like provide proof there isn’t one..That won’t be happening. Don’t you think if in fact Obama has 39 social security numbers (that’s what the wacky dentist/ lawyer Taitz is claiming) someone who has access to social security records would have come forward by now. Of course if there was someone, they wouldn’t dare speak up or they’d lose their job you say. Of course they’d make hundreds of millions on books and tv appearances so I guess that, like so much of this fabricated story, holds no water, not even any condensation… They guy has a passport. In order to get it he needed to provide the long form birth certificate, unless “THEY” figured out a way to game the system…I actually wouldn’t mind seeing him produce it, but only if I thought it would silence the lunatics, but that’s the problem you see – lunatics aren’t rational. We could teleport back to the delivery room and than the story would run very much like the “we didn’t really land on the moon” story. Maybe he’ll clear the air before he’s sworn into his next term…

Unfortunately, Obama could present a video of his birth with Don Ho behind his mother confirming that they were in Hawaii and the birthers wouldn't believe it.

You should write a book about this insanity.

Excuse me, but you seem to forget, President Obama’s father WAS African. And from what I have heard, it was common to use African if someone actually was from Africa at that time in Hawaii. Why do you think Hawaiians are lying about this?

Nope, one of Obama’s PR flacks has provided an electronic copy of a “certification of live birth” which is not a birth certificate. Hawaii officials say they have a birth certificate but will not release it without Obama’s say so. Instead, Obama has spent a ton of money trying to prevent its release.

But thanks for playing.

So you don’t rely on fire departments, police department, you’re not going to collect social security, will not not accept help from the national guard in a natural diaster, are against everything NASA does, don’t really think we need a border patrol, want the FBI to be abolished, don’t really want mail delivered to you or by you, have no intention of using Medicare when you become a senior, would like the network TV stations shut down, think that National parks should be closed, don’t want Arlington National cemetary to exist anymore, want the Smithsonian to be closed and the Veteran Administration closed?

To you, and you only, Sir, I apologize. I am almost your age, a business owner and employer. Your service to America does you credit, and I mistook you for one of the usual “he ain’t really mah President” kooks responding to these articles. You sound like an upstanding fellow; again, my apologies.

It would be a blotch on your status as a productive, loyal American, however, to refuse to see the facts… as countless Conservative writers, court opinions, official inquiries, etc. have come up with no evidence whatsoever that Obama was not born in Hawaii, or that he ever renounced the citizenship accorded him by birth, and have found no substance to these charges.

Do you really think someone forged the microfilm copies of his birth announcements in Hawaii newspapers? Do you really think the Hawaii Bureau of Records personnel are committing deliberate fraud? Do you understand that even though COLBs can be had for naturalized Hawaiians, they always list place of foreign birth? That every record of his entire life that showed “place of birth,” even Indonesian elementary school records, lists Hawaii? That it is illegal to remove an original birth certificate from the vault in HI or photograph it? That every State has its own laws regarding these certificates, negating the arguments that “I had to show mine” and “I got the ‘long form’ etc.?

In questioning the legitimacy of the office of the President, you have lent your support to a dangerous, wasteful, baseless attack on Mr. Obama, which he does not deserve, and is unworthy of a man of your accomplishments. I urge you to repudiate it.

My calling Birthers “America-haters” is partially tongue-in-cheek. It is a reaction to the many long years those of us who protested Mr. Bush’s Iraq war and his trampling on Constitutional Rights had to endure; that for doing so (never once, mind you, advocating violent protest or government overthrow) WE were called “America-haters,” and I wanted Birthers to see how it feels.

I have one ancestor who emigrated from Ireland and fought alongside Ethan Allen, and another who was a minor Confederate General. My Great Uncle Adm. Frank Lyon signed the surrender papers with the Japanese aboard the USS Missouri. The notion that I am ‘against the USA’ is abhorrent to the bottom of my soul, and it was maddening.

But as I said, I absolutely retract my remarks to you, Sir. You may be mistaken, but I have no reason to suspect or accuse you of disloyalty.

May your days be long and prosperous.

The Constitution also does not empower (a) closeted bigots or (b) those simply too stupid to face facts, to define “natural born”, either.

WHERE IS YOURS? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT A ESKIMO TROLL OR WHAT NOT?/ PRODUCE YOUR LONG FORM BC OR STFU

True. You know, I think this is a case of the bigger the lie the more likely people, some of them, are to believe it. It’s so outrageous, no one could have made this up, right? Well, it’s still a lie, and I just really wish people would stop to think about what they’re doing when perpetuating it. It doesn’t look very good for the mental or intellectual state of our nation that this has gone on this long.

Well, I’m a voter for over 40 years and if anyone asked me to produce the long-form hospital birth certificate to prove I’m a citizen, I couldn’t. I have no idea where it is now or ever was kept. And, the hospital where I was born no longer exists. I do have a certified copy of my birth from the city where I was born, which I have used for documentation for my entire adult life. My “citizenship” would be questioned by wingnuts who don’t accept a certified copy of public records. I’d challenge each and every one of you to produce your own original birth documentation.

Obama has an advantage over me . . . his mother was a lifelong citizen of the US who had not renounced her citizenship. I am satisfied that he was born in Hawaii where his mother and family lived but even if he was born in outerspace, he would be a citizen just like him mom. I’m sure you’d question my documentation since my mother became a US citizen just 30 days before my birth. Further, she was in the hospital for 2 weeks afterward and didn’t file the city hall papers until she was released. Hmmm. Sounds suspicious to me.

What is wrong with you people? Just as John McCain, who was born in Panama (unclear if he was born on US base or in hospital off base), is a natural born citizen. Just like the kids of service people and diplomats stationed around the world are citizens. Just like ex-pats working for private global corporations off shore give birth to US citizens. Just like women traveling give birth to US citizens, usually unexpectedly. Look past your obsession with the “original” document and review the circumstances in totality.

I suggest you go to snopes to see certification of his birth. Snopes is a non-partisan fact check site.

Randwulf, with your level of education and achievement, what reason do you have for not taking the time to read Immigration, Naturalization, and Citizenship requirements on the government website and other factual information before adopting your stance? Had you done so, you would not be able to propound this false claim.

You have a point, i can think of no other reason except Racists, and making changes to help all Americans which is something
that the Republicans has done, Bill Clinton tried to reform Healthcare and the Repub’s were against that and nothing got done.
No President Obama is trying again and all they are thinking about is how much TAX will the RICH have to pay, not thinking
about the Middle Class who has been paying along.
They will find every excuse in the book to keep Healthcare the way it is going up every year for the working and the retired people.

It is a frivilous lawsuit, period. Long Form birth certificate whatever, how many presidential birth certificate have you ever seen?, how many were long form?, how many were not? This is reaching, this is activism in search of a desired outcome, and serves absolutely no purpose legally only politically, for those who lost this election on the merits, this guy volunteered after this President was elected, how’s that for irony, as I said and will say again this is a frivilous lawsuit that the plantiffs have never even imagined actually winning, this is misdirection, this is sleight of hand, this is what children do when they can’t have the candy, at the checkout aisle

“The Constitution requires that the President be a “natural born” U.S. citizen, but does not define natural born.”

So you are suggesting that the supreme court do what besides defining “natural born” to facilitate your particular political agenda, isn’t that activism.

Oh I forgot you need to be an “other” ruling against the “status quo” to be an activist according to Sen. Grahm, get out of here with the fluff. Your entire point is frivilous as well.

Great Article Weigel

The birth certificate is right here!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Are you people HIGH? It is a birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii, it looks almost identical to the one I have that says I was born two years later and in a different state, down to the weird cross hatching background. So let me get this straight, a man whom two years ago hardly anyone would have ever thought would have ascended to to the presidency, PROACTIVELY perpetrated a mass conspiracy involving the State of Hawaii, a doctor, attending nurses, his parents and his grandparents who put an ad of congratulations in a local Hawaiian paper a week later KNOWING that eventually his citizenship would be questioned?
Start passing out the foil hats!

Please explain how you know it is fake and cite source proving it.

JDC
http://democracyhypocrisy.blogspot.com/

What is your point?

JohnQ…Yay you. Thank you. And as someone else here said: doesn’t anybody here work? What a waste of time this whole argument is.

Do you have a Certificate of Live Birth that shows you were born somewhere you were not? What proof do you have that it is easy to obtain such a document? No one has their original birth certificate. It is submitted to the state by the doctor or hospital where you were born. The state keeps it. Some states provide you with a photocopy of the original birth certificate and some states only provide you with a Certificate of Live Birth that contains the pertinent details of your birth. Hawaii is one of those states. The state of Hawaii certifies that the birth occurred in Hawaii. It is a legal document accepted by all agencies and courts in the US. You can get a passport with it, a driver’s license with it, a Social Security card with it. It is for all intents and purposes your legal birth certificate. I know I’m wasting my breath on those of you who just won’t accept the evidence that has been provided. I can only pity you.

What do you think about the announcements in two newspapers in Hawaii announcing his birth? Especially considering that announcement came from Hawaii’s Dept of Health, not his parents? Do you really think that Hawaii’s Dept of Health would have given out false information 48 years ago on the extremely slight chance that the child might grow up to be President of the United States?

Why do you even care? Good grief, do you ever need a LIFE! Why don’t you spend your intellectual energy on trying to help others, instead of trying to tear them down? We’ve got work to do, dude, I’ll bet you know plenty of people who are unemployed/underemployed, schools that need help, families that are suffering without healthcare, etc. Go do something USEFUL!

RIGHT ON! Most of the old “classic Country Club” Rs whom I know have not voted R in YEARS. It has ceased to be a party…..it is now a group of racist, religious wackos.

don’t forget your walker, gramps! i will be the guy pointing and laughing at you.

RoadScholar – Could you pointout to me where in JohnQ’s comment it says “born on US soil?” His argument is that Obama’s MOTHER was born in Kansas, which makes HER a natural born citizen, not him unless he, too was born on US soil. Therein lies the debate, not in his mother’s birthplace. So it looks like your little pocket-sized Constitution doesn’t help you much there.

Hey Chuck. Got a REAL question 4 u. Do you believe this country is so idiotic that the entire US Presidential Elections, matter of fact the US Government, can be tricked into electing a foriegner as President of the United States, simply by asking some 2 bit Clerk in some office in Hawaii, to say,”Hey, he’s a citizen and here’s a altered photocopy of his birth certificate”. If that’s true, then Iran, Russia, China and every other enemy of the state must really be kicking themselves in the a$$. “After all this time wasted with money and spy networks, all it took was a $5 fake birth certificate, DAMN”

You are still a racist.

When did congress or any other government organization certify any other previous President’s birth??

When did congress or any other government organization certify any other previous Presidential candidate’s birth??

Have you ever thought that congress did not question then Senator Obama’s citizenship because he was and still is a natural born AMERICAN?

This would go in line with the fact that they did not do this for any of the other Presidential candidates either. Sorry, that would make too much sense and go against accepting that the black guy is an American.

You are still picking on PRESIDENT OBAMA because he is black.

So, what does that make you in light of the facts? RACIST!

this from the same party that, in 2006, started screaming that foreigners should be eligible for the presidency so you could put another actor in the white house to fool everyone from knowing that Goldman Sachs, Monsanto & the Carlysle Group would be running/raping the country????

Do you have dementia? i live in california and all we heard from the retardlicans was that schwarzenegger was the next reagan and your #1 goal, other than to send more americans to die for iraq’s oil, was to get rid of the born in the us requirement so you could start parading Arnold for the presidency. so NOW that the dark skinned guy actually won, you are running 180 degrees in the other direction.

stability and consistency is best when raising children and dogs/cats – now to start trying to raise the knee jerk retardlicans the same way and there might be some sanity restored to the world

A Certificate of Live Birth is the same thing as a Birth Certificate — each state can call it whatever they want. The state of Hawaii has verified that it is accurate. What else would you have him do? How about the “birthers” prove that he is NOT a citizen? Why should the burden of proof be place on him? Where is the proof that his mother left the country and give birth to him elsewhere? Do you really think that the FBI, etc. would allow him to take the Oath of Office without doing a thorough background check? People are ridiculous…

I’m Sorry, name, you’re going to have to catch me up on the witty nicknames that you liberals give to everyone you demonize. Jr? Darth? Whatever. Your logic doesn’t add up, no matter who you give the pet names to.

The fact of the matter is that while Republicans were impeaching for purgery, Democrats were yelling at the top of their lungs that what goes on in the bedroom of politicians is none of our business. Now all of the sudden it’s a huge deal when GOPers do it. I agree, though, that all politicians who cheat on their spouses should be put on the spotlight. I’m glad that you’ve come around to understanding that infidelity is a serious offense and ought to be given attention. The next step is to stop complaining when Repubs do it and then praising the Huffington Post when they do it.

Double standard is the name of the liberal game.

“A certificate of live birth is easily attainable even if you werent born where said live birth certificate says. ”

This is not true. The certificate of live birth, which is Hawaii’s name for what is commonly known as a birth certificate, is computer generated from records that the state certifies to be correct.

Huh? The draft ended in 73. It was a numbering draw system by then. Something does not add up Mr. university graduate maybe none of your story does. You certainly did not face Vietnam.

double agree with both of you – without the independents or ‘non-party’ voters neither a dem or rep can get into the white house.

and all of this ‘we’re proud to be retarded, just like Jr is’ is making any independent with a modicum of a brain run like the wind away from the rep party.

so funny – does anyone remember in 2005/06 when ALL of the Rethugs were trying to tout the english mangling, cocaine fried frat boy Jr as the best American president ever? while eating freedom fries?

how can anyone take any of these guys seriously and not want to put them into a white, strapped jacket?

You DO understand that 18 is older than 16, aren’t you?

Yep! Loaded to the teeth. Bring it idiot!

That’ applies to those that are not natural born US citizens She was born in the USA. She was already a citizen.

You are forgetting the inconvenient fact that he was born on American soil.

Oh, that’s right. Facts mean nothing to you idiots.

Any idea where John McCain was born? Look it up. It wasn’t the USA pal.

Come on Chuck say what you really mean. We had King George, or was it King Dick? The birth certificate thing is b.s. and you know it. Have the guts to to state your real intentions. Come on let it out and you will feel better.

A$$hat!!!! Who’s gonna certify a live out of state birth? YOU’r damn simple!

If you’ve asked yourself, “Who is this man?” so many times and no one could tell you, perhaps you should ask somebody else.

If you’ve asked yourself, “Who is this man?” so many times and no one could tell you, perhaps you should ask somebody else.

I actually agree with *everything* you just said. Thanks stephenperry! :^)

I actually agree with *everything* you just said. Thanks stephenperry! :^)

Please explain why any of us should be tolerant of idiocy.

Why should we suffer fools? You are worthless to society as a whole, useless at making any type of rational argument, and really the only thing you’re good for is making us laugh at your ever-increasing stupidity.

Also, why shouldn’t we be hateful and angry at how far our society has fallen to create people with such inability to think for themselves, use rational thought, logic, and reason? We should be past angry at the dumbing down of our society. We should be downright hateful that people like you even exist. You should be WAY smarter. It’s simply indicative of incredibly poor educating.

Please explain why any of us should be tolerant of idiocy.

Why should we suffer fools? You are worthless to society as a whole, useless at making any type of rational argument, and really the only thing you’re good for is making us laugh at your ever-increasing stupidity.

Also, why shouldn’t we be hateful and angry at how far our society has fallen to create people with such inability to think for themselves, use rational thought, logic, and reason? We should be past angry at the dumbing down of our society. We should be downright hateful that people like you even exist. You should be WAY smarter. It’s simply indicative of incredibly poor educating.

You can laugh all you want to about how stupid the right wingnuts are, but if they continue to stir up their wingnut base to generate calls, letters, email, twitters ('twits' may be a more appropriate term, here), etc., over every single lie they happen to want to believe, it will truly poison public discussion about everything else, which appears to be their intent.

Perpetration and perpetuation of lies is a very strong tool. In this case, recently we already see a soldier refusing deployment orders, because he claims the Commander in Chief is illegitimate, because of the claim that he is not really a citizen. Needless to say, if there are a lot of wingnuts in the military like that, it could be very disruptive.

Recall that the 'Swifboat' lies in the 2004 election were certainly enough to swing the entire election. It didn't matter that they were lies. The perpetration and perpetuation of those lies has certainly (and adversely) had a profound effect on the course of our nation, and, indeed, on world history.

Also note that such paralysis of publc discourse was a prime goal of the Nazis before they came to power. The Nazis used every technique they could to discredit democracy, in general, and the Weimar Republic, in particular, during their grab for power in the 20's-30's. This behavior is destructive of democracy, and it appears to be getting worse here.

I'm not sure that this is a sign of desperation. Unfortunately, it may signal a shift of strategy by the right wing core of the Republican party and its adherents to further weaken our democracy to the temptations of authoritarianism – simple answers for simple people.

The leaders of this effort know that this particular uproar is a lie. They also know that their followers believe it. Unfortunately, even if it is debunked, as it already has been, a great number of these followers will STILL believe it, and still cause an uproar. This sort of lie-followed-by-uproar can be used over and over, based on all sorts of lies and accusations to cause public chaos. Expect a lot more of it.

How much faith in our country and our constitution do “birthers” have that they can honestly believe that someone who was not born in the United States of America can be elected president? I think “birthers” are the most un-American group of people to be ever called un-American.

Yes.

(Just kidding.)

Yes.

(Just kidding.)

Well, I guess they've run out of substantive things to criticize the President on.

chuckj
Soldiers who refuse to serve or take orders because of this should be sent to court. Such soldiers are despicable cowards and very clearly looking for an excuse not to serve our country.
They need to be asked; Do you believe in the United States of America or do you believe in looney conspiracy theories that only serve to hurt America? Would you choose to stand up and defend America or would you cower and use conspiracy theories as an excuse to not fight?
Enough of this b.s.
If you choose to serve America in our military you serve America – not conspiracy theories and [actually] not any one politician. You serve an idea that is America. It goes way way beyond the things you do not like about a sitting president.

chuckj
Soldiers who refuse to serve or take orders because of this should be sent to court. Such soldiers are despicable cowards and very clearly looking for an excuse not to serve our country.
They need to be asked; Do you believe in the United States of America or do you believe in looney conspiracy theories that only serve to hurt America? Would you choose to stand up and defend America or would you cower and use conspiracy theories as an excuse to not fight?
Enough of this b.s.
If you choose to serve America in our military you serve America – not conspiracy theories and [actually] not any one politician. You serve an idea that is America. It goes way way beyond the things you do not like about a sitting president.

Why are we here? To laugh at people like you. Everyone needs comic relief now and then and you right-wing bozos are like a three ring circus. You are so predicable and rarely disappoint.

Now, talk some more about this “birth certificate” thing; and while you’re at it, get me some more popcorn and tell me the one about Black Helicopters containing aliens.

Why are we here? To laugh at people like you. Everyone needs comic relief now and then and you right-wing bozos are like a three ring circus. You are so predicable and rarely disappoint.

Now, talk some more about this “birth certificate” thing; and while you’re at it, get me some more popcorn and tell me the one about Black Helicopters containing aliens.

This issue is so funny ti makes saturday night live and Tina Fey and the entire cast look like real amateurs. Are the Birthers asking us to believe that the entire Congress, the Supreme Court Justices and so many learned American of Distinction are that naive and stupid as to not have inquired and investigated this issue for a long time now?

As one of the comments suggests, there is no way that you or anyone can make the Birthers accept and believe that our Legally Elected President, Baarak Obama is a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN.

So I would like to suggest that Maj. Stefan F. Cook, a reservist who volunteered for duty in Afghanistan, and then decided that he would not like to to serve in that capoacity anymore, be Unceremoniously and Dishonourably be Stripped of his rank and casahiered out as just rewards from the Military that he has just disgraced with his action.

It still boils down to a cut and dried, black and white issue (so to speak). We can all go back and forth with this until doomsday but until a form with more complete information about the “blessed event” is made available to the citizens of the US, this will never go away.

This isn't a conspiracy theory. It is looking like cover-up at very high levels. Really, it is just a widely asked and simple question that needs an answer. And if it is so obviously frivolous, ridiculous and silly, well then why not prove it so and produce the long form BC? We aren't trying to get him to release proof of the existence of Big Foot. We are asking for a copy of the original hospital generated piece of paper that Hawaiian officials claim to have in their vault. Isn't this the very reason why “all 57 states” of the union have adopted a policy of keeping birth records?

Apparently the State of Hawaii has in the past been pretty loose and sloppy with issuing birth records, with little follow-up investigation and even less dedication to accuracy or certifications that their silly rules were followed. Since this COLB of Obama's was allegedly provided by Hawaii to his campaign just last year, he must have been using another copy of it or some other birth record in the past, to get into school, get a passport, get a driver's license, pass a security background check for being a US senator etc. (As the anti-birther's have repeatedly pointed out.) So I'm wondering WHAT DOCUMENT he has been using all this time, what is on it and WHERE it is. It couldn't be this one they have “produced” on the web. It would have to be something much older. So, where do you suppose IT is? Why didn't he just show a copy of that one on his websites? Doesn't anybody else wonder about that? And where is the actual paper copy of this alleged COLB that is repeatedly touted as his proof now? I mean, the one that was supposed to have been scanned, and photographed and posted on his sites. Will any third party document experts ever bee allowed to analyze that one. I doubt it. Very fishy smelling.

Actually, just one little dope has refused his military orders because of this moronic “birth certificate” thing. And he should be dealt with like any military person who refuses to honor his oath.

Actually, just one little dope has refused his military orders because of this moronic “birth certificate” thing. And he should be dealt with like any military person who refuses to honor his oath.

wnd is a joke. lately half that site has been dedicated to this krap for koolaid drinkers. recently they even presented screenshots of some edits someone had done in wikipedia which made it appear that there’s an actual controversy.

The numbers they write about being “in the movement” are contradicted from one headline to the next-can’t even stay consistent in their lies! Joeseph Farrah is a HACK!!

wnd is a joke. lately half that site has been dedicated to this krap for koolaid drinkers. recently they even presented screenshots of some edits someone had done in wikipedia which made it appear that there’s an actual controversy.

The numbers they write about being “in the movement” are contradicted from one headline to the next-can’t even stay consistent in their lies! Joeseph Farrah is a HACK!!

I done seen it on the internet. It must be true. Why can’t the Hawaii officials simply produce a certified copy. ‘Cause O won’t let them. What’s he hiding?

I done seen it on the internet. It must be true. Why can’t the Hawaii officials simply produce a certified copy. ‘Cause O won’t let them. What’s he hiding?

How about this? He thinks there are 57 states in the Union.

By golly, you’re right. John Q was saying that her mother being a citizen makes the children citizens. He’s wrong. Born on American soil = Natural Born Citizen, regardless of the citizenship status of the parents.

And the Constitution reads the same no matter what size it is.

By claiming the Hawaii COLB is not sufficient, Birfers are advocating ignoring Hawaii State law, and accusing their Bureau of Records personnel of fraud.

The claims are nonsense. Here’s one Court Opinion:

The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”

By golly, you’re right. John Q was saying that her mother being a citizen makes the children citizens. He’s wrong. Born on American soil = Natural Born Citizen, regardless of the citizenship status of the parents.

And the Constitution reads the same no matter what size it is.

By claiming the Hawaii COLB is not sufficient, Birfers are advocating ignoring Hawaii State law, and accusing their Bureau of Records personnel of fraud.

The claims are nonsense. Here’s one Court Opinion:

The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”

Because no reasonable person doubts it, dipstick.

Because no reasonable person doubts it, dipstick.

Hi grannycarol, fabulous friday to you, I do like your straight to the point comment, and it is so true to call them UN-AMERICAN in their attitudes. In a time when so much is needed to heal and bring us back to a Nation of Respectability and Morals, they would rather try to beat us down for being right. have a nice day

Is this a spoof? You can’t be this dense.

How many times and in how many ways can this be proven? Birth certificates, birth announcements, all readily available at any time.

The only things festering are the brains of the birthers. And the best part is that as the “controversy” enters the mainstream, it makes the Republican look worse and worse, meaning even more time in the wilderness for the do-nothing, ruin everything party.

Is this a spoof? You can’t be this dense.

How many times and in how many ways can this be proven? Birth certificates, birth announcements, all readily available at any time.

The only things festering are the brains of the birthers. And the best part is that as the “controversy” enters the mainstream, it makes the Republican look worse and worse, meaning even more time in the wilderness for the do-nothing, ruin everything party.

Hey Stupid,

Guess what? I strongly believe President Obama’s refusal to produce his birth certificate is his way to EF with you ignorant, inbred birthers. He produced a legitimate birth certificate, which you asinine people refuse to accept. Accordingly, Obama is not dealing with this silliness. However, it must be fun from his point of view to sit back and watch so many of you idiots wasting your time and money on law suits. I’m getting a kick out of that too. One thing all of you fail to acknowledge… Obama is an extremely brilliant and shrewd politician. He will have the last laugh in this matter. Deal with it!

Hey Stupid,

Guess what? I strongly believe President Obama’s refusal to produce his birth certificate is his way to EF with you ignorant, inbred birthers. He produced a legitimate birth certificate, which you asinine people refuse to accept. Accordingly, Obama is not dealing with this silliness. However, it must be fun from his point of view to sit back and watch so many of you idiots wasting your time and money on law suits. I’m getting a kick out of that too. One thing all of you fail to acknowledge… Obama is an extremely brilliant and shrewd politician. He will have the last laugh in this matter. Deal with it!

Yo idiot. the copy he has is certified! The Governor of Hawaii personally verified that it is 100% legitimate and is the ONLY type of birth certificate Hawaii issues to individuals. That’s the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii by the way.

Yo idiot. the copy he has is certified! The Governor of Hawaii personally verified that it is 100% legitimate and is the ONLY type of birth certificate Hawaii issues to individuals. That’s the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii by the way.

Oh please, I’m willing to pay all sorts of money to obtain the real birth certificate. I’ll email my bank card info and pin number so that you can reclaim if from their vaults. Thank you for your courage in working on this issue. God bless you.

Oh please, I’m willing to pay all sorts of money to obtain the real birth certificate. I’ll email my bank card info and pin number so that you can reclaim if from their vaults. Thank you for your courage in working on this issue. God bless you.

Why don't you just come out and admit that you hate Obama because he is black and cut out all this smoke-screen garbage.

Never bothered any of you to check up on Bush Jr who might not have been born in the US or McCain who was definitely not born in the US (Panama). If you're white, you're A-OK!

I think Oily Taints should provide copies of her Law Degree.

At least we can spell.

At least we can spell.

So here is a chance for Obama to save “Democracy”. You know, “simple answers for simple people”. Yes, he can save the military forces from themselves and prevent the poisoning of “public discussion about everything else”. He could become “transparent”, practice what he preaches and release information about himself. Starting with his birth, and then ordering the release of his school records. We don't want any more “public chaos”. We had enough of that with the lefty-commie-lib-youth movement that destroyed the country back in the 60's.

These guys aren't well. But it's good to see that the wingnut psychos are spending so much time, effort and energy on this important issue now facing our republic.

Spend a lot of time playing with your toilet?

Jeez… if you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.

Then why didn't they do that? Why didn't they just kick him out and come up with the birth certificate? Doesn't it make you wonder? If they had proof, whouldn't they just show it already and shut everyone up?

bahaha… good one.

bahaha… good one.

I’m still waiting for Cheney to give us proof that he’s human…

I’m still waiting for Cheney to give us proof that he’s human…

He did prove it- a copy of his birth certificate has been provided- what more do you people want????????? I do not understand what the problem is?
You want a video of his birth so you could see the palm trees swaying in the background of the hospital room?? Give me a break!! The United State President is a US BORN CITIZEN- get it through your thick IGNORANT AND HATEFUL SKULLS PLEASE!
Just say the really reason for all this crap- he is 1/2 black…he has a funny name after his father who was from another country…he is a Democrat…and your party LOST!
Get a clue- we all are products of immigration into this country at one point or another- but Obama's father- had sex with his AMERICAN mother- created Barack Obama- and she gave birth in Honolulu HAWAII- which last time I checked is in FACT a STATE of the US!

Sadly enough, the real copy has been analyzed

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

I supposed you dont like the outcome of elections. If you were so concerned about election rigging you should have been up in arms about Bush and Florida in 2000 and the Voting Machine Fraud in 2004.

Please stay away from electrical outlets in the future

Yep. Don't you love these clods spending their hard-earned money on Birth Certificate billboards?

Hilarious!

[...] is doing all it can to support their fact-free-fanaticism…and some GOP members in Congress would like to help them, too.  They may be nuts (if you don’t know why…here’s a resource)…but they [...]

Don't these people realize that it doesnt matter where Pres. Obama was born anyway? His mom was an american citizen at the time of his birth, that automatically makes him a natural US citizen. Period. End of Discussion.

Oh and you can go to the smokinggun.com and see the ACTUAL copy provided by the state of Hawaii with the seal and everything… the only thing fishy smelling is the rot that comes from the horrible and evilness of the Republican party- stop hating- try actual coming up with some ideas on how to improve this country and join in on progress or shut up and go home!

Wow. Tighten that tin-foil hat JUST a wee bit more.

How do you propose they had a copy to scan if Hawaii didn’t give them one?

Could it be because you are the type of genius who says things like “I done seen it”???

How do you propose they had a copy to scan if Hawaii didn’t give them one?

Could it be because you are the type of genius who says things like “I done seen it”???

He did. It’s on scopes.

He did. It’s on scopes.

Hey, they check up on McCain like flies on SH!T. And if you will remember, it was Hillary Clinton and her attorney friend BERG, a Jewish guy with 30 years of membership in the Democratic party that started this whole deal with Obama's citizenship questions. I suppose that one of the main reasons why nobody wanted to check on Obama's eligibility issue is purely BECAUSE HE IS BLACK! It would not have been politically correct to question him too much. Now do you have any intelligent response to the questions in my post above or are you just going to sidestep the argument and call me a “racist”?

“the campaign reproduced a Certificate of Live Birth from the state’s Health Department”

No, the campaign actually produced a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth, which is not the same thing. A real CERTIFICATE of Live Birth has the signature of the physician who delivered the baby and the signature of the person who reported the birth information (baby's name, parents, etc.)

Personally, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, and there's something embarassing on the full Certificate of Live Birth that he wants to keep private.

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda,,, Ha Ha Ha, Tin Foil Hat, VERY VERY FUNNY!! You are soooo witty!!! Can't discuss facts but you are great at throwing insults. Discredit the messenger and you discredit the message, right. The entire left-wing argues that way. Just like small children.

Obama's mother was an American citizen. That makes Obama an American citizen no matter WHERE he was born. Every schoolchild knows this (at least I learned it in grade school-I have no idea what they're teaching now). SInce Obama's birth certificate is in the public record this idiotic questioning is beyond ridiculous-it can only be construed as an attempt to divide and conquer. I find it reprehensible that the neocons are doing whatever they can to be obstructionist at a time when the need for unity is urgent if we are to solve the pressing problems the we are facing. It seems they would see they would rather see the country go down the tubes thna relinquish one iota of power.
And why is there never any mention of the fact that John McCain was born in Panama?

Actually, it only applies to people who were born outside of the US.

Actually, it only applies to people who were born outside of the US.

He did provide a certified copy. Over a year ago. It evens states in this article. Here it is on snopes (an urban legend sight that clearly calls this false):

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Two facts for people:
Obama was born in Hawaii, as the birth certificate clearly shows.
Hawaii became a state in 1959, Obama was born in 1961.

This means that he’s a citizen, pure and simple. If you’re born on American soil, regardless of your parents, you’re a natural born American. The 14th Amendment states this.

Get over it and find holes about the economy or healthcare or Wall Street or something because this is asinine.

No, there are plenty of substantive things on which to criticize the President. Have you actually read the healthcare bill? Here it is: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

I've pasted an important section below that you must read to truly understand what the bill intends:

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SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
(a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for
purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term ‘grandfathered health insurance
coverage’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day
of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-
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(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer
offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of
coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.
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The title in disingeneous and misleading at best. The words matter here. Yes the President did say that you can keep your current coverage, but what he failed to mention is that your current coverage will be the last private coverage you will ever have. What the bill language above actually means when you decypher the legal terminology is: on the day the law goes into effect you cannot enroll in any new private insurance. Sure, you can keep your existing policy (it's grandfathered in), but if you change jobs or want a different policy after the law in in force, your only option will be the government plan, no private options will be legal. Over time, this relegates everyone to the government plan and completely removes your choice of a private plan. It also will eliminate the private insurance sector altogether. How many jobs will that “save”?

So to give some people a government option that don't have insurance now, Obama is willing force everyone (200 million people) into a government run plan. This is not freedom of choice, it's a trojan horse meant only to centralize control. This is not about party, it's about basic freedom of choice.

This is only on page 16, I wonder what we will find after reading the entire bill.

Concerned American, have you lost your mind? If the state has offically declared that he was born there enough said, you have the burdon to prove your retarded argument not the rest of us who have a brain, if you turn up some evidence to show that all these people are in some grand conspiracy then do so or shut the hell up By the way what would all these people have to gain by this conspiracy?

“OR learn to debate facts.”
Holy cognitive dissonance Batman!!! How does one debate “facts” with someone who won’t acknowledge reality?

No, personal lives are not of the public’s business.

But when someone has the nerve to comment on “family values” and rail against people who have affairs claiming they should resign from office, and then they get caught having an affair, it is not the extramarital sex that liberals like to point out, it’s the blatant hypocrisy.

I wouldn’t expect a con to recognize hypocrisy, or to see the big deal, since it’s the only way you know how to function, but you could at least try to figure out what people are actually complaining about instead of making sh!t up as you go along (although I know that’s also instinctual for you people).

Did you ask all the other Presidents of the United States for their Birth Certificates. This is so ridiculous. You will do anything to try and keep a Black Man down.

What a bunch of whack jobs. Add them to the list of “Area 51″ lunatics, holocaust deniers, and others with a tenuous — if any — connection to reality.

I expect a spike in “moon landing fraud” flat earthers given the attention to the 40 year anniversary of the Apollo 11 on the 19th…

They already did, you moron. The State of Hawaii issues one type of birth certificate, the COLB. That's it. That's all you can get. It's verified by the state, indeed the Hawaii Department of Health is on record numerous times stating the COLB is legit, and he was born in Honolulu. There's nothing more anyone can do without changing the laws in Hawaii, which no one is going to do simply because a group of deranged birthers demand it.

So “factcheck” verified their own forgery. Yeah, that proves it!!! And what the hell this has to do with alleged voter fraud from years ago, is beyond me. Oh and thanks for the electrical safety tip. I know as a left winger, you couldn't resist throwing in at least one little demeaning jab. You guys can't help yourselves in that regard.

why can’t you accept that obama’s certificate of live birth is proof of his citizenship? it states the time and place of his birth and was provided by the Hawaii Dept of Health.

What is your point exactly?

The Constitution says that anyone born on American soil is a natural-born US citizen.

The Constitution doesn’t get more specific than that. US Laws were written to supplement the Constitution and clarify what being a “natural-born US citizen” is.

Do you have any idea how ironic it is when someone who has NO idea what the Constitution says try to call other people out for the same?

Listen carefully… you have to actually TAKE the anti-psychotic medication. Don’t just leave it in the bottle.

A few more elections like this .. the USA will be the same as living in Mexico just a much bigger scumland .. Viva the change ..

Personally I hope by that time I find a nice private abandoned Oil rig .. because we all know I won’t be able to avoid an island by this Bummers 2nd year in office.. actually not too many of us will unless we are acorn whitemen type crooks.. anyway far enough offshore not to be thugged, mugged and robbed of my last dime by the bums who voted O bummer in ,, Count me far away from the future Amexico..

Oh and yes.. please anyone who claims the GOP is this or that.. get a real life, out on your own, outside Mom and Dads.. talk about losers.. If I had a bum kid living off me I would.. well I wouldn’t and they definitely would not sound like so many possers ..like 8 year olds B****ching over sucking at HALO!

Most politicians are in it for themselves period. So tell me what has O done for you personally has anything in your life changed for the better.. Unless of course this chorus damning white men is O bummers cabinet zombies.. or even better is this what the 31 + Czars do post like little drones.

Real cert or not this Dunce is the WORST Elected official in history with his mentor and resident freak Pelosi, 2nd brain dead Reid,3rd, and the creep Sanford, 4th,

This isn't a conspiracy theory.

Yes it is, moron.

It is looking like cover-up at very high levels.

No, it isn't, moron.

And if it is so obviously frivolous, ridiculous and silly, well then why not prove it so and produce the long form BC?

Because the State of Hawaii doesn't do that. They have laws. The laws allow them to issue a COLB. It is verified. They aren't going to change the law because a bunch of deranged lunatics insist they must.

We are asking for a copy of the original hospital generated piece of paper that Hawaiian officials claim to have in their vault.

Too bad. You can't have it. You can't have it for anyone born in the State of Hawaii. You can look at the COLB. That's the law. Deal with it.

Isn't this the very reason why “all 57 states” of the union have adopted a policy of keeping birth records?

No, the states don't keep records to accommodate insane people. That is not the reason.

Amen to that!

You do realize that the rule for Presidential Candidacy is worded as “Natural Born Citizen?”

I firmly believe Obama meets this, but get your facts straight.

Personally, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, and there's something embarassing on the full Certificate of Live Birth that he wants to keep private.

Personally, I believe you are an idiot who hasn't a clue what he/she is talking about. The certificate the state issued is the only one they issue. There are no others to be had. Deal with it.

Did any of these wingnuts questions McGrumpy's birth in Panama?

Wrong again. The campaign produced a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate. This is the same thing I have from the State of California that I used to obtain my passport. It is what Obama used to obtain his passport and security clearance as a Senator.

This is the only thing that is available from the State of Hawaii. The top officials in Hawaii have stated publicly that the certified copy that Obama provided is the real thing. The so-called “long form” original is a state record and under state law cannot be made available to the public.

In order for the certified copy to be faked, multiple officials in the State of Hawaii would have to be involved in a massive conspiracy.

But the bottom line is this: No matter how much evidence is provided, or how many assurances from Hawaii state officials, the birthers are never going to believe that he is a citizen.

Let's play along and pretend Obama was born in THE KREMLIN:

Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition: “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”

George Romney presedential candidate in 1968, born in Chihuahua, Mexico; parents were U.S. citizens so he was a natural born citizen.

John McCain presedential candidate in 2000 and 2008 born in Panama; his father was stationed in the service, also “natural born”

“then why do you believe the Republican party took NO action to keep him from being on the general election ballot?”

Stephen I would like to add if Barack Obama was not eligible, wouldn’t Senator Hillary Clinton have done every possible to expose this so Senator Obama would not steal the Democratic nomination away from her?

I like the part where you ignore long standing laws and evidence.

So, what is the problem with President Obama providing a copy of his birth certificate for scrutiny? It seems like a perfectly reasonable request considering the man is restructuring our economy. It's little short of irresponsible for President Obama to continue to allow this corrosive speculation to continue if he has the simple ability to put the issue to rest once and for all. His refusal to take this simple, prudent, responsible action only fuels speculation that something isn't right. Indeed, if that ultimately proves to be the case, he and all involved should be brought up on charges of treason. You do realize that we went to war in Iraq because the bizarre egotist Sadam Hussein refused to provide proof or allow demonstration through investigation that no WMD's existed. One can only speculate what might have been if Iraq's leader had simply complied with a reasonable inquiry, and allowed inspectors access.

“Personally, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, and there's something embarassing on the full Certificate of Live Birth that he wants to keep private.”

Something embarrasing huh… oh, I know, maybe it says that he's black!. Assprobe would be a more approriate screename because you wouldn't know logic if it bit you on your ass!

You're right. The birth issue only distracts from the real issues at hand. Those complaining about the distraction, please read and comment on the healthcare bill post below. That is a real issue that must be understood. Unless you really want the government as your ONLY healthcare option, then your support for Obama has been hijacked for an agenda of which you may not be aware.

The certificate produced by Obama is the only certificate Hawaii produces. My son was born in Hawaii, and his birth certificate is just like the one Obama produced, which was authenticated by the state. Time to move on, fellas. This horse, she is dead.

Yackety Smackety you wing nut freak. This has been hashed and rehashed and NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES you are presented with the truth you will still refuse to accept it. So please get out your tin fol and perhaps stick your finger in an electric socket. Do you know how annoying it is in this day and age to have idiots like you who refuse to accept reality?

Obama Won. get over it.

speaking of “facts,” learn what “natural born” means–children born abroad of US citizens are considered “natural born”

this is settled law, legal precedent and is in Black's legal dictionary

Re: Brian H

Yes I am fully aware, hence the fact that he was born to a US citizen making him quite properly a Natural Born US Citizen and acceptable from a legal standpoint as president without it mattering where on earth he was born. Hence McCain being born in Panama being all a ok, hence the children of US businessmen doing business out of the country still counting as natural born citizens. I was born in london, england, I technically could claim UK citizenship, but as far as any government is concerned I am, and always have been, a US citizen, from birth.

You hit the nail on the head! It's a black and white issue! It has been the underlying issue from start on this stupid fake birth certificate theory. I'd love to see the opinions from these “Birthers” if they think a black man should or shouldn't be elected president. I think you'll find the real answer behind their rants.

I believe if President Obama personally took these Birthers by the hand to Hawaii and actually showed them his actual birth certificate that is on file they still wouldn't believe it because that isn't the real reason they'd like to see him out of office.

The Birthers need to face reality. He is a black man, he was elected and he is our President. Get over it.

Cook obtained an attorney beforehand, arranged this volunteer assignment just so he could obtain standing to file suit

it is all a stunt to get into court

I guess he wants to be famous–and he no is famous — but as one big idiot

I suppose it makes me an elitist to be so offended by counterfactual thought, but if that's what I have to put up with, so be it.

Dude, you’re pretty computer savvy! Name a price for the autographed birth certificates! ROFLMAO!!!

“Through attrition, private insurance will go away altogether over time, as people change jobs, get laid off, etc.; leaving the government plan as the only available option.”
You say that like it’s a bad thing not to get ripped off by insurance companies…

HE DOES NOT NEED TO–HE IS A NATURAL BORN NO MATTER WHERE HE WAS BORN

WHY DO YOU NEED TO SEE IT?

Soetoro is the name of Barack (“Barry”) Obama II’s stepfather. Barack’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, a US citizen was born (of US citizens) in Kansas. She moved with her parents to Hawaii in 1960 after she had completed high school (near Seattle). She met Obama Sr, a fellow student (born in Kenya) at the University of Hawaii and married him (in Hawaii) in 1961. She divorced him in 1964. Subsequently she married Lolo Soetoro when Barack (II, or Barry) was about 6. Dunham and Soetoro had a daughter Maya, Barack’s half-sister. The State of Hawaii stands behind the birth certificate. Obama is not lying or hiding anything regarding his background. I hope this helps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

McCain was born the child of active military service man and his wife, both American citizens and presented his birth certificate as requested. Obama, on the other hand, admits that his father was Kenyan, not an American citizen. His mother had been born and reared in Kansas prior to relocating to Hawaii, and is a citizen. At the age of two, Obama was adopted by an Indonesian citizen, taking on that citizenship as well as the Muslim religion, and was enrolled in a Jakarta School as such. He never documented that he renounced his Indonesian citizen status after turning 18. He tavelled to Pakistan on something other than a United States passport at the age of 23, long after his citizenship status should have been formally reclaimed. Applying to college, registering for the draft and travel all require that such documentation be provided. Likewise, dual citizenship compromises the concept of natural born… We as American Citizens have much to learn with regard to the interpretation of this clause in the Constitution, and as a former Professor of Constitutional Law, Obama should be able and prepared to clarify how he does so. On another point, it is bizarre to hear a US President, in his speeches around the world, pointing out that he sees things differently from typical Americans because his father is Kenyan, not American. I believe that is the POINT. Not only has he takin issue with our Judeo-Christian founding concepts, he has issue with our American bred Patriotism. It is my belief that, when the deepest instinct is challenged, only a natural born citizen of the United States can or would be unwavering in orientation, which, arguably, Obama is not. Companies engaged in selling life insurance cite a study that claims that we are the result of what we experienced at age ten.

HE DID PROVIDE THE STUPID THING. Ed, have you paid attention to any of the comments or the original article or anything else. The actual real birth certificate issued to him/his mother by the state of Hawai'i has been provided repeatedly upon request and is available online. He isn't actually restructuring our economy, he is doing very little to the structure of our economy (unfortunately, given that our economy has been broken since Nixon and in worse need of restructuring than GM), and it doesnt matter where he was born, his mom was a US citizen at the time of his birth, making him automatically a natural born US citizen regardless of where he was born. Barack Obama's mom could have given birth to him in mexico, bali, mars, jupiter, alpha century or the andromeda galaxy and so long as she was a US citizen, he is too, from birth. Like Romney and McCain.

Hawaii is a state in the Union. Their legal word is and should be as compelling as that of of New York, California, Texas or Ohio. The state of Hawaii has many times repeated it's certainty of Obama's birth there and his legal citizenship. If the Republican party really cared as much about the rule of law as they claim, instead of about partisan below the belt bashing, they could put this entire thing to rest. All it would take would be a strong statement of Obama's legitimacy that was presented by Republican and Democratic House and Senate leadership and that was signed by the House and Senate Republicans and Democrats. They know that this is ridiculous. Why should the state of Hawaii be treated as though it weren't a “real” state in the United States of America. Since 1959 Hawaii's senators and congressional representatives have been proving their citizenship with Hawaiian birth certificates. This is only a big deal because the President is black and has a funny name. Time for the Congress and Senate of the United States to step up and speak for what they know to be the truth. How about a little patriotism from the elected leaders of the country???

BTW, Saddam DID ALLOW access and the inspectors found NO WMDs

I suppose you didn't read THOSE reports EITHER?

Boy, you do tend to ignore evidence all around you!

Nope. First off, this isn't Obama's bill, this is Congresses' specifically I believe you are looking at the House of Representatives proposed bill.

Secondly, no, you do not understand what that means, what that means is that any new private insurance oyu buy will have to be under the rules established by this bill, ie being portable, and all the other new rules for how private insurancce operates.

You are hitting on the grandfather clause saying that no currently existing plan will be changed for those currently on it and then assuming, completely erroneously, that that means that you wont be able to buy a private plan ever again unless you are grandfathered in. That is just stupidly misreading the bill, either out of ignorance of the style of how such legal docs are written, purposeful misrepresentation, or idiocy.

“You do realize that we went to war in Iraq because the bizarre egotist Sadam Hussein refused to provide proof or allow demonstration through investigation that no WMD’s existed.”

You do realize that Iraq did provide that information, corroborated by UNMOVIC, and that there were inspectors on the ground also confirming that, when Bush told them to get out of the country because he was about to bomb it, right?
Are you seriously saying that there were no inspectors in Iraq? Seriously?

You start your post with something about hanging on to racism.. Wow does any O bummer supporter possess the facilities to form an original thought??
As to why a REP did not call anything into question..

1. Hilary’s people were the ones who initiated this whole thing.. sheesh the whole lot of you are like trying to tell .. a democrat something in plain English hard to grasp anything not spoon fed by the dimwitted Dems you support so….weirdly ..

2. Why not a Prominent Rep running for the office.. Do you think at all pea brain?
Probably because.. had a Republican dared call his eleigbility into question .. do you think there is a chance in hell he or she would not have been labeld a RACIST.. ..just much more vehemently then Bill or Hillary Clinton.. wow don’t you think ..

oh I forgot your don’t have to think, you let others THINK for you.. I hope you all at the very least repay mom and dad for that free room and board.. such ignorance must be your public education…

But honestly I don’t think anyone that is crying racists here is anything more than one the the thousands on O bummers payroll..

yet, the healthcare bill says nothing about the government being the sole provider of healthcare.

RTFA: “the (Obama)campaign (re)produced a Certificate of Live Birth from the state’s (Hawaii) Health Department”

Don’t be surprise. I was just seeing if anyone figure it all out. Nice play stephenperry. Now answer your door.

Because I would like to see it.
It interests me.

Who is this guy, anyway?

Regarding the digital COLB, an online image is easily altered and is meaningless as real evidence (legally it is hearsay). As far as I know, no court, judge or government official responsible for certifying the candidates or the election has ever actually touched or seen an official State copy of either 0bama's COLB or the original long form BC (which, by the way, he claims in his autobiography to have found while in high school – so why doesn't he show it?).

In the minority of States that even required it at all, 0bama's vetting consisted of Pelosi (as party head) and 0bama signing a statement that the candidate met all necessary qualifications. No state or impartial government official has ever done any actual checking or verification. 0bama, as an employee of We the People, has a responsibility to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a Natural born citizen. Right now, the number of people who are coming to have serious doubts about 0bama's bona fides hovers around 50 percent and is growing by leaps and bounds every day.

If he were to open up his records to the same degree as have prior candidates (for example, McCain), then most people would be satisfied and all this would stop (one way or the other). :)

Of course, since he's been so secretive to date, he would need to be extra transparent about the process (hey, didn't somebody somewhere promise just that?). For example, he could call in impartial neutral experts (perhaps from both sides) such that they could examine and verify his original vault birth certificate, his missing school records, adoption records, passport applications and any other records that may directly relate to his Natural born citizenship status. Further he would probably have to direct the SCOTUS to rule on the definition of Natural born citizen (because he was born with dual allegiance and dual citizenship due to his foreign father).

This list is perhaps a little longer than normal, but he has a background that is more than a little weirder than normal and he has been more than a little more secretive than normal, so this is to be expected.

If he took the bull (so to speak – you 0bama supporters should like that) by the horns and actively and openly faced all these doubts head on AND his qualifications actually survived (like all past Presidents surely would have), then no one could reasonably question his legitimacy again. Anything less, and this cancer of doubt will continue to grow unchecked to the detriment of all.

Think well — see clearly.

First of all, who is “we”? Am I to assume your speaking of the entire repulsive party? Second, why don’t you, since your so hell bent about it, take your ass to the hospital in which the man was born, and get the certificate your damn self. Why does “we” have to do it for you? Don’t waste another minute, go, get the job done so you can put yourself and all the other racists little pigs in this country to rest. That is what this is about anyway. This has been debunked several times over and it is a lost cause. BO doesn’t have to show you are your ilk a damn thing. Well, off to another blogg, I feel like dumping on Sara Palin today. If your stupid and you know it, quit your job….if your stupid and you know it quit your job…la la la la la la la la…….

I just went and looked at both my and my husbands birth certificate. Mine is from Kansas and I got my copy from 1982. It says across the top. Certificate of Live Birth. My husband was born in Oklahoma and we got his copy in 2006, It also says Certificate of Live Birth.

Your statement just went out the window. They are called Certificate of Live Birth.

Yeah, it would take a mass conspiracy—–that goes back to the time of his birth when his birth announcement was published in the Honolulu newspaper. And then of course there are the friends and relatives who knew him as a kid in Hawaii, the pictures taken there with his family when he was a little kid, the friends of his mother's who remember what a cute baby he was when he was born. But you're right, crazy people don't care about proof.

Out of context.

But, this is a standard tactic nowadays: pull a small part out of something and make the entire issue about it, devoid of the rest of the content. It is disingenuous, lazy and intellectually dishonest.

Did you read the bill? Here it is: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

Here is the section to which I am referring. All current issuers (i.e.: all current private insurance companies) will NOT be allowed to write new policies when the law goes into effect. Think it through. What option does that leave for you?

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SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
(a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for
purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term ‘grandfathered health insurance
coverage’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day
of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-
5
(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer
offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of
coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.
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A reservist a major named Cook,
said his presidents birth was mistook
claimed his premise though smarmy
got him thrown outta da’ army
yea the military don’t need no schnook

My Certificate of Live Birth is from Kansas. That is what is says. I got this copy in 1982. My husband’s says the same thing Certificate of Live Birth and his is from Oklahoma and we got his copy in 2006.

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Actually it doesn't matter where he was born. One is “native born” if at least one of your parents is a US citizen at the time of your birth. For instance, George Romney ( Mitt's father ) who also ran for the republican nomination was born in Mexico City. no problem, his parents were US citizens.

the distinction is between “native born”, that is by circumstances of birth, and “naturalized” ( like Arnold )

a spokesman for Centcom took issue with Taitz’s claim, made in a WorldNetDaily story, that this decision verified conspiracy theories about the president’s birth. Later that night, Sean Hannity cited the story on his Fox News show and used Taitz’s version of the facts, not Centcom’s.

“Major Cook and his lawyer expressed joy at this outcome,” said Hannity. “And they took it as an admission on the part of the military that the president is not in fact a legitimate citizen by birth.”
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I don't think it is news to anybody that so-called conservatives only support the part of the troops and military that happen to agree with them.

Isn't Sean Hannity a high school drop out anyway? Maybe he should be excused for not understanding that Hawaii is one of the 50 United States.

The definition of “natural born citizen” includes someone who is born to an American citizen anywhere in the world. I learned this in second grade. I am amazed at how many people don't know this. Basic civics seems to be missing in today's educational curriculum.

“Now imagine for a moment if the numbers of those soldiers goes up to say, 1000, or 3000, entire Reserve units… yea, This is a serious issue.”
If they couldn’t be bothered to not participate in an illegal war, somehow I get the feeling you getting the vapors over Obama isn’t all that important.

Birthers are deranged and need to get a life. Speak to a real issue. This one just shows how low the educational level in the US is.

No.. because the groundwork has been laid to deny any additional evidence. People have already stated anything now produced would be a forgery. None of the other candidates have produced a “vault copy long form”, there is no “like all past Presidents surely would have”. indeed this is all at it's base an attack based on looks. No one else running for president has been asked these questions. Did you ask it of Bush, perhaps Barb gave birth while out of the country? Clinton? perhaps his mom skipped down to Mexico? Bush Sr? His dad and mom did do a lot of overseas travel. Reagan?

grow up

I want to see RUSH, Hannity, et.al.'s Birth Certificates! I want them all to go through the same scrutiny that Obama has had to go through and have people dog them!

This is ridiculous.

First of all, the birth certificate IS legitmate if it comes form the STATE of Hawaii's department of statiscs. Many have had to get “copies” of thier birth certificates to get Passports, etc since it IS difficult to keep track of the orignal for MANY people expecially when you move a lot.

Secondly, WHY would his parents have felt the need to do anything when he was born to perpetuate such a “farce”. Did they know he would grow up to be a politician.

And, finally, there are copies to be found in TWO NEWSPAPERS announcing his birth! Are THEY are in on all this as well!

Too bad these people didn't care about George Bush's military record (or lack there of) as they are on this nonsense. IF that had been dogged as much, perhaps, we would not be in the mess we are right now in this country.

you are thinking of the novelty certificates–like the one I have that even has my baby footprints on it

not valid for the top secret clearance I had years ago–I had to get the one similar the O has posted to get the security clearance as well as my passport–that is the “real deal” the only valid one you can obtain from the government for legal purposes

now why are we not asking about every other politician's birth certificates? How do we know where they were REALLY born and what THEY are HIDING?

could it be the color of Obam's skin?

Look, for 45 bucks he can get his long form Certificate and the matter is OVER. Only in liberal land is 45$>1,000,000$.
Instead he is fighting it in COURT? WHY? Just produce the documentation! Isn't that a WHOLE lot easier? I mean he said in his book he had them right, so why not produce the Long form?

Because he CAN'T. The Army REVOKED Major Cook's orders instead of producing the documents. Such a SIMPLE thing, unless you don't have any, or are honestly NOT a natural Born Citizen.

Pony up the paper Usurper Obama.

The law states the following

“If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at
the time of ones birth, that parent must have resided in the United States
for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16″

O's father was not a U.S. citizen. While O's mother was a citizen she does not pass that test since she was 18 when O was born. She CANNOT pass her citizenship on to him.

Therefore it becomes of crucial importance whether or not O was born in the U.S. or outside the U.S. If he was born outside the U.S. he is not a citizen.

The birth certificate would prove the issue once and for all. All O has to do to shut everyone up is the call upon Hawaii to release all his birth records. He has not done that and as a result that leads to suspicion.

There is a great circular argument the “birthers” use to maintain their indignation. It goes a little something like this.

Birther: Please show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

Clerk: Here is the legal form of his birth certificate available to public inquiry.

Birther: Obviously that is a fake. Show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

Clerk: That is the only legal document available… same for every citizen of this state.

Birther: Obviously you are on the take. Show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

Clerk: Here is a certified declaration by the state at our highest levels that this birth certificate is authentic.

Birther: Obviously you are all on the take. Show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

Clerk: There is nothing more I can do for you. Our legal obligation to provide documentation in this matter has been met.

Birther: See! Obama has no proof that he was born in the US. If he did, he could show us a valid document listing where he was born! Show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

It is a simple matter that has already been resolved. It was easy to resolve and it has been. The problem that continues to swirl these accusations is the fact that Birthers ignore all of this. It is like asking a blind person to tell you the color of the sky. He can firmly tell you any color he thinks because he is incapable of determining the truth.

Birthers will not and in some cases do not have the capability (mentally) to see the facts that have been legally certified.

The birther brain donors also think that there's no proof that Obama was in the US until 2007. Logic, reason and facts are wasted on them.

You know, if I were the President, I would be more than happy that these rumors keep going. Even if credible, you have have to realize how “looney” these allegations actually sound to the general public. The republican party is already hard pressed to attract moderates. Having this controversy that sounds to the non-ideological segment of the population as complete craziness only makes the left look more reasonible. Look at it this way… Those who support the president will NEVER give this story a second thought, those inclinded to believe he is not a citizen wouldn't vote for him regardless.. and the vast majority in the middle will more than likely think those promoting this story as “cooks”. Unless there is absolute proof he isn't a citizen, which probably doesn't exist 8 mnths into his term… the President wins this one.

p.s. The “certification of live birth” was released electronically and did not come from Hawaii but from a campaign staffer. Furthermore that is a different document than an actual “birth certificate” which shows things like which hospital he was born in and the name of the doctor that delivered him.

This eligibility controversy is going to be a HUGE campaign issue in 2012. Obama's long form BC, his school records, his state senate records, and all other records must be produced with full transparency to lay this matter to rest now.

“Something embarrasing huh… oh, I know, maybe it says that he's black!.”

Actually, that information is on the “short form” which has been widely published. It says, “Father's Race: African”.

“Assprobe would be a more approriate screename”

Pretty lame ad hominem. Try again, after some fact checking, okay?

Sorry, but having been born in Hawaii, I can tell you for certain that ANY child regardless of where they were born could get a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth. Maya, Obama's sister has a Hawaii COLB even though she was born in Indonesia. Things in Hawaii were pretty loose back then. Still are. That being said, that COLB is NOT evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. Only the LONG FORM would be, and I am betting that it lists a home address for place of birth, which is how any child could get a COLB in Hawaii. I know that for certain, because my Long form has a place to use a street address for place of birth, all you need to do is have a “witness” sign it as well. I was born in Queens Hospita, and because of that I have a Dr..'s name on it as well.

Obama's will too. IF he has one that lists a hospital, which Iagain, I am betting it DOES NOT.

OWN it, you Democrats didn't vet your Candidate, and now we have a POTUS that may not even be qualified, and is resisting PROVING that he is to the tune of 1 MILLION bucks!!!

Hello! That alone STINKS to high heaven. A Long Form Certificate would be SO much cheaper! Don't you think?

Wiley has signed off all the sudden. You can’t get news from Fox and sound like you know what the hell your talking about, much less sound smart about it.

Here is some facts, the Maj. who is obviously a coward, tried to use this stupid certificate reason to hide his sissy position. Now that he is also out of his contractor job, he can hide under his bed until the war is over.

Let me state a couple things up front:

1. Dave Weigel is a liar. Not only that, but after he wrote about me on his personal site, he refused to approve a comment I left showing how he was wrong.

2. Okubo (the Dep't of Health spokeswoman) is either lying or confused. Go take a look. She says there's only the short-form of certificates, yet a simple search will show a long-form certificate at several sites. What she told someone else is easily seen to be false. Whether she was lying or just wrong isn't known.

If you want the truth about this issue – no speculation, no tinfoil hat talk, and no attempts to mislead such as Weigel engages in – see my completely fact-based overview.

This post will probably be followed by a series of comments designed to mislead or just throw up dust. Few of those people will have read or understood the link and will simply use the same old misleading statements debunked at the link above. Their goal is to mislead; don't let them do it.

Nice way of conveniently not posting the entirety of the section. It says “Except as provided in this paragraph” and then you ignore said paragraph. Also you seemingly ignore the fact that this is disussing buying it outside of any plan, just you as an individual going and buying it, something which a very tiny percentage do. With an employer mandate, even fewer will. So you don't include the exemptions and you ignore a crucial point. As I said either intellectual dishonesty, ignorance or outright idiocy.

LOL RIIIIIGHT. At least Hannity knows that there are only 50, as opposed to Obama telling us he has visited all 57….. umhum. What are the names of those other 7 again? I missed that part of American History I guess…..

It is the same certificate released for all Hawaii residents. Hawaii officials at the highest level of state government have certified that this certificate is accurate and authentic.

Keep ignoring the facts… It is the only way you can sustain your argument.

“The certificate produced by Obama is the only certificate Hawaii produces.”

Oh really? Then I guess the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands is lying when it says:

“The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth.”

Following your logic the citizenship of everyone in government-and everyone else, for that matter-is open to question.
It isn't likely that any kind of conditions would satisfy the perpetrators of this distraction since most, if not all, don't believe in its substance themselves.

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Where is the proof for this claim “resisting PROVING that he is to the tune of 1 MILLION bucks!!!”?

Becuase there IS no such thing as a “long form certificate” available from the state of Hawai'i? Because he hasnt spent any money fighting it in court, these things get thrown out before they reach that part.
Because he was born to a US citizen so this entire discussion is pointless, doesnt matter where on earth (or even if he wasnt born on earth) so long as a parent was a US citizen.
Because the army's officer corps isnt exactly an “unbiased” group of people politically (i think it is 70% republican, last time I heard numbers quoted, compared to the like 19% of the actual general population)
Because the army is allowing his orders to be revoked so the man can have his day in court and therefore is just following proper procedure.

Because you are an idiot who cannot stand the fact that democracy works and your hypocritical, criminal and downright unamerican candidate/party lost. Deal with it, it happens. Now go and try to win an election over this issue. It will make Alf Landon, Barry Goldwater, Walter Mondale and George McGovern look like they were competitive.

Do you not think that Hillary Clinton would have found and used any evidence in the primaries that would delegitimize her major rival for the White House? There are many pressing issues that need attention, but this is not one of them.

Unfortunately, far too little and far too late. And, I would suspect someone, if not everyone in the White House knew about Abu Ghraib and the attorneys firings.

Consider this for a moment, If Obama isn't a legitimate President, then the Major is not only correct and doing his duty, he is a hero. The Military is in the middle now, with only a thin veneer of having a legal chain of command. If any other soldiers do this, they can expect to also have their orders revoked. Now imagine for a moment if the numbers of those soldiers goes up to say, 1000, or 3000, entire Reserve units… yea, This is a serious issue.

Obama ONLY needs to provide a long form birth certificate! And its EASY to get! But he refuses? Why on earth refuse something SO SIMPLE?? Because either he can't, or it proves he is not a Natural Born Citizen.

“you are thinking of the novelty certificates–like the one I have that even has my baby footprints on it”

No, I am thinking of an official goverment document. Generally it's a scan of the actual paper form filled out by the attending physician at the time of birth. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands web site refers to the two types:

“The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth.”

Here's the problem Bobkat… The MASS MAJORITY of americans already believe he is a citizen The President can sit back and watch all you guys say this and say that and basically say look how crazy the repubs are. You have to remember that the support the “birther” movement has is just preaching to the choir. The general public will not be with u on this one without substantial proof. If it existed u bets believe Clinton would have found it during the primary. Addittonally, don't u guys realize a full background check is done on every canidate. NO WAY A MAN CAN GET INTO THE WHITE HOUSE WITHOUT A COMPLETE CHECK. Again, sounds like completely looney.

I only hope that is true, we will beat the republican'ts by the largest margin in history if they think they can get traction arguing what is essentially a Bircher position. (yes I did mean Bircher not Birther, anyone not in the know that is a referrence to the Birch Society a bunch of nutters who think floride is a communist conspiracy and McCarthy was right)

More proof that the right wing is inhabited by racist nutjobs with absoultely no sense of reality.

Hmmm, a problem with YOUR theory .. numbers don’t add up.

EVEN with your million acorn mickey’s and the students jumping around states registering and early voting all over.. even with your pawned translated ballots for don’t ask don’t tell illegal votes..

Allot of Democrats will not vote him in.. Allot of Libertarians will not vote him in.. ALLOT off Republicans who WILL NOT vote for him AGAIN..

then you are left trying to get the Independent voters.. who like so many people world wide like the man.. But he is not a world stage leader.. maybe a UN leader but not a World leader especially from the US Capital.. Man is in above his pay grade.. for sure..

So sorry to burst your bubble youngin .. but its not gonna happen..

When we talk about racism, people are prepared to go to any lengths.

Sad the republicans will never change to me,they are the face of hatred.

Leave Obama alone.

Ola Paris

So your argument is that a “a simple search” on the internet is more factual than an official statement from the government of Hawaii? Heh.

Because the whole controversy makes the right look like loonitics. I'm not judging anyone, but the only people that give this story even the slightest of credibility is the FAR right. Dems are more than happy to have the right champion a cause that make u “LOOK” crazy.

This is exactly what the general public thinks of this…. like it or not.

He has already provided the only certificate that Hawaii gives it's citizens AND there are birth announcements, produced from both major HI newspapers, where his birth was announced in 1961.

Please provide a link that explains where Obama is fighting an order to produce anything in court. Crazy birthers are going to court to try to get the court to make Obama provide something he already has provided.

The army revoked major Cook's order because he is a NATIONAL GUARD VOLUNTEER, and as such, has the right to chose not to be deployed.

Sure, the Certificate is valid. It does NOT prove he was born in Hawaii. The long form WILL if it shows that he was born in hospital. If there is a street address listed for his birth, then it is quite possible he was born somewhere else.

The long form CAN be gotten. It would be EASY for him to get it, they could have it printed out 2 minutes after getting the request! It would settle EVERYTHING. Why isn't he doing that? Thats by FAR the easiest thing to do. But he refuses. WHY? Everyone should be asking this, and Democrats ought to be pissed as HELL that the party didn't do this for them already! Democrats, more than anyone else, got seriously ripped off, and if I were you guys, I would be demanding it as well! If only because if he isn't Natural Born, then he defrauded all of you and he OWES you on that score!

They’re undereducated and proud of it!

“Except in this paragraph” refers to the grandfather clause (a); meaning existing policies can remain in force. “(A) IN GENERAL” refers to all new policies, stating that the issuer cannot issue new policies; meaning that you will not have the choice to get a private private policy after the law is in force, because the issuers (insurance companies) will not be allowed to issue a policy to you.

I also posted the link to the entire bill to prove that my excerpt was not doctored or taken out of context. Please read it before you comment.

Look, this is not a matter of party politics for me. It has to do with the freedom of choice that I (and all Americans) should except. If you want to enroll in a government plan, that's your choice. But don't try to force me to enroll too.

Nope, even if he is correct and Obama isnt eligible for the presidency, then Biden would be president and it isnt like biden wouldnt so order anyway. Plus it is MUTINY to refuse to follow a direct order from your superiors.

“Obama ONLY needs to provide a long form birth certificate! And its EASY to get! “
No it isnt, because, THE STATE OF HAWAI'I DOES NOT ISSUE SUCH THINGS. The only documents which one can get from said state are presented already. done. End of story. You are just a conspiracy theorist nutjob who cannot accept that elections sometimes dont go your way.

Dude, if I may call you dude: my linked website has been online since 9/02 and I’m not about to jeopardize my credibility by making something like that up.

If you dispute anything I’m saying, the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, you’re just trying to throw up dust.

Yeah, that's it: You're not mistaken, it's the other people who are lying or confused!
How Convenient!
It doesn't matter how many links you put up, or how many “Fact-based overviews” you post, they mean nothing unless you can prove that Mrs. Okubo is lying. and you can't. and you know it.

The birthers are about as stupid as the people who claimed that Palin's baby wasn't hers.

No proof will ever be good enough for the lunatics out there.

These “birthers” are idiots. If it wasn't this there would be some other issues that would have their panties in a bunch. Obama won the election. He is the president, like it or hate it. Just grow up and deal with. Three and half more years is all you have to wait. It will go by quickly, the years always do.

0bama has refused to release any of the documents concerning his early life: college transcripts, passport records, genuine Long Form Original Birth Certificate. Hell, he won't even release his medical records!

He is a manufactured puppet mesmerizing us while we are bound up in a National Socialist fascist State.
Impeach.
Depose.
Imprison.
Sic semper tyrannis

Reservists who volunteer for duty have the right to back out up until the day they are deployed. Why did he volunteer (in May) in the first place? Obama was President in May — or did he not realize that? What a nutjob.

Treason.

Even entertaining your deranged argument for a moment, how could that possibly make him unqualified? It wouldn't lessen the experience he has had and his education and being a constitutional freakin law professor.

Do you really think that because dumbya was from Connecticut that he was actually QUALIFIED???

Where did this theory even come from to begin with???

Dimwit – The FBI does the background check on the POTUS, not Nancy Pelosi.

Sorry Zippy, but having been born in Hawaii I CHECKED with them. If I needed it I could GET it.

Intelligent conversation about Obama’s birth certificate = oxyMORON.

I could get my Long form if I needed it. I know, I called the HDH and asked.

I did not realize that there are long form, short form, electronic certificates, etc. Since, everyone was paid off, according to the “birthers,” then this would seem to be a big waste of time. Birthers, (you don't mind if I call you birthers) Fox News, World Net, Limbaugh, Hannity have all duped you folks into this insanity. Don't you have anything better to do than develop paranoid, delusional, neurotic and just plain stupid ideas. Admit it, the old Pillsbury dough boy, Beck, has you all turned into his program, buying his books and buying his craziness!! And let's pretend Obama is an illegal alien and has to quit. The birthers are still irrelevant in 2010 through 3000.

generously ignoring the blatant misinformation in this article (for example, Obama's half-sister also has a Hawaii COLB but was definitely not born in the state), i can't help but wonder why if i had to pay$10 to get and to show a certified copy of my original, long-form birth certificate to get a driver's license, then what's the big deal about producing a certified copy of same to be President?

as per watergate, it's not the offense, it's the cover-up; $10 to release the long form birth certificate (which is not the same as the COLB) would clear this up completely.

Occam's Razor suggests there is something to hide.

Ever read the constitution? Maybe you SHOULD instead of believing what your sheepherders tell you.

As for OholyO, he should put up the document or RESIGN.

You are mistaken about the Army part. Since Major Cook's enlistment was voluntary (in May) he had a certain amount of time to change his mind. Since he changed his mind (yeah, right) a month later, the Army automatically rescinded his orders. This was all staged by Major Cook and the attorney to bring this idiotic issue into the press again. That is why the case was dismissed yesterday. The fact that the Army had already rescinded the deployment based on Major Cook's request rendered the lawsuit moot!!

I'm glad the country is in such great shape that Birfer idiots can spend their time harassing government this way.

To be “natural born”, both of your parents must be citizens of the country in which you are born. Obama admits his father was a foreigner at the time of his birth. Therefore he is NOT a natural born citizen and is a usurper. The whole COLB thing is nothing but a red herring to distract from this fact. All of you arguing that if one parent is a citizen it doesn't matter where you are born, or if you are born here to non-citizen parents you are “natural born”, you are totally, completely and absolutely wrong.

As all reservists are. How many reservists are there and what percentage of US forces are they? Yea, and if a significant number of them ALSO question Obama's legitimacy, then that is a BIG problem. If NOTHING else, that issue has to be cleared up.

This is beyond disgusting. Because the man's father is Kenyan and Muslim, the President must necessary be foreign-born? He must necessarily be a man that hates America? How long do we as a country have to suffer this nonsense unless the people stirring it up are neutralized as a viable political and cultural force?

It's all so unbelievable. Do you nutcakes really think that on a faraway island 47 years ago some people in a hospital got together, and decided to lie in unison about some little baby – just in case he became President of the United States? That all of the many people who might be in a position to access records the would prove or disprove Obamas citizenship, are all being quiet together? Maybe, one by one, they are all dying in car accidents or in other mysterious ways, you know – to cover up the conspiracy. Maybe when Osama Bin Ladin was 12, he conspired to put this little boy into the US Presidency to facilitate his take over of the world…there are so many possibilities…but we'll never know the truth, will we. You know why, don't you? I know why. It's because “THEY” don't want us to know. Who is “THEY” you ask. In our crazy conspiratorial glee, we never have figured that out… Maybe Ronald Reagan and Elvis are still alive somewhere orchestrating this whole thing…

Find something real to worry about…

Exactly – we have some similarly 'truthful' documents found on the internet for this goon head. LOL.

With the problems in the ecomony and health care, social issues, etc. going on, can we please eject these useless members from congress? They are wasting taxpayer dollars by getting paid to do nothing else then generate stupid conspiracy theories while the country is hurting.

tell me kelleyye, do you BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET as the gospel truth???

geez, give me a break! just because somebody posts a story on the internet doesn’t make it the truth! pull your head out of the sand and join us in the real world. . .

You congressmen and senators already KNOW that Hawaii has confirmed over and over that Obama IS a citizen.
Continuing to pretend this is otherwise so your illiterate constuents can disguise racism and hate under this lie of his birth is embarassing and a waste of the time of the 80% of us who aren't racists and have already listened to Hawaii defend this poor man over and over from these ridiculous attacks.

There is not going to be a second Civil War just because a black man has finally entered the front door of the White House. Get over it!

Sic semper tyrannis? Oh wow, seriously only one historic person used that, and that was John Wilkes Booth. Yes nothing like threatening death to an elected official, must make you feel all warm inside to post that knowing Lincoln (someone who President Obama clearly admires) was shot dead by Booth. You are a traitor to this country and to the Union Lincoln helped to preserve.

This is idiotic.

It is funny that you claim these individuals are misleading when you in fact mislead on your website.

1) The law you cited was created in 1982 and as such had no precedence at the time Obama was born 21 years earlier. So please cite the laws applicable for the time period that Obama was born.

2) The 1982 provision does not amend a child's records to imply they were born in Hawaii, it only provides a Hawaii birth certificate. That certificate as has already been verified by state officials would show the place of original birth on it. So if Obama was born out of the US, the certificate while issued by Hawaii, would show his original place of birth, not Honolulu.

So in fact you are misleading people with your site. A neutral site without an agenda would have these facts along with the ones that support your position. When it is all taken into context, there would have to be a whole host of individuals at the state level that would actively be participants in a conspiracy to get Obama certified as a natural born citizen. Unless this document was freshly minted they would have to be prognosticators to see into the future that he would become president.

The most likely answer is the simplest one… He was born in Hawaii and has a birth certificate that proves it. He has been sworn into office. At this stage the burden of proof no longer falls on him, but his accusers. Please provide PROOF that he is in fact not a natural born citizen. Everything else is rhetoric and conjecture… nothing more.

I’m sure your dumbass cracker version of “the best” involves the death of millions of African-American. Fucking retard.

Gosh – wish should just give in and admit – YES – OBAMA is secretly in cahoots to thwart your search! there does that make you feel better? what? no? a new paranoia – geez louise – start taking your meds on a regular basis guy!

Anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen. What nationality your parents have or don't have doesn't matter. Some are trying to change this to stop the influx of Mexicans who come here pregnant.

Like this country doesn't have bigger things to worry about that these jerks find it worthwhile to waste taxpayer dollars chasing some conspiracy theory. Obama wasn't elected to office because we all believed him to be a natural citizen. That would suggest that it was the only qualification he needed for a majority vote. Give me a break.

You forgot:

Birther: Show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

Researcher: Here's a birth announcement from the Honolulu Newspaper in 1961.

Birther: You have a time-machine and drink the kool-aid.

Frankly, this is nothing to do with the issue of where the President was born. It is another type of covert racism. They are making this issue because America has a first black president which some republicans cannot comprehend. These are “allelua” and holier than thou” christians who feel threatened evertime a colored person achieves leadership position. Obama has a perfect family and upbringing with so far no skeletons in the closets. However, if Obama was white then these so called conservatives would have gone to find out with whom he is sleeping as they did to Bill Clinton. Remember Mr. Melon who invested by giving millions to these fringe people to go after Clinton. God save America. Hypocrites all over.

Don't you “birthers” get it? You are on the wrong side of history. You will all be remembered as those last scraps of white racists that could not get over the fact that a minority is president. You will be a reminder of ignorance and how NOT to act.

You will NOT be remembered as the heroes who exposed “the truth.” How you could ever think that would happen is mind-boggling.

Do yourself a favor and wise up while you still can.

Hey “m”….

You DO realize that you moonbat radical righties don't have a monopoly on deadly force, don't you?

“Sic semper tyrannis” yourself….

See you at the barricades. :-)

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

he DID show his birth certificate…but does it really matter to you? He could show each and every citizen the document in person and you crazy conspiracy theorists would just say it was a fake…get a life! He’s an American, so start being American and question your government about thing that matter (like health care, the economy, etc) not this frivolous nonsense.

Don't you think Obama has had to show a birth certificate to get a passport, entrance to schools and/or a drivers license? Do you think all forms of gov't have given him a pass his entire life so they could fool us now?

Check your facts before posting these lies.
You only have to have BOTH parents be citizens if you are born OUTSIDE THE US.

Here, this has links to the actual laws…so stop trying to sell your racist nonsense here.
OBAMA IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES…

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

Fist Black President….'nuff said. Alan Keyes is even in on it.
Read about Jackie Robinson and others who broke color barriers, you'll see the similar stupid crap.

When color barriers are broke, those with conscious and sub-consious prejudices get exposed.

Absolutely false. There is NO requirement that EITHER parent be a citizen (thus the concept of “anchor babies” born to illegal farm workers.)

Before you spew such rubbish, howzabout you LOOK IT UP FIRST? Call a lawyer; every one has studies the laws of citizenship in Law School.

Unless you enjoy exposing yourself as a gullible, incurious, vague-minded dipstick; in which case, pray continue.

this is moronic tripe.

Wow! These birthers must really really want Joe Biden to be president!

I don't know the truth is. But I pose this question: If the orders are legitimate, then why is the Major not under Court Marshall? Why were his orders simply revoked? Seems a little fishy…

SOMEBODY PLEASE READ THE FEDERAL LAW ! ! !

Persons born in Hawaii (8 USC 1405)
A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

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your stupid natural born means what it says naturally born in the US both of your parent dont have to be hear they dont even have to be citizen they coul be illegal it doesnt matter if you were born on US soil or property you are a Natural born citizen

Thankfully you folks are dying out. In the future America, you could find yourself in a growing minority fighting for equality from those whom you would deny now.

That is not true. One parent is all that is necessary.

Could that be because all the wacko’s are buying up all the ammo because they think Obama is gonna take their guns away. Form a circular firing squad morons.

Which is completely irrelevant, as the Constitution (may I introduce you to that esteemed document?) states that a President must be, and I quote:

“a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States…”

And with that, poof! Your argument is reduced to smoke.

But if the state of Hawaii has falsified the COLB, then why wouldn't they falsify the long form birth certificate? What would it prove? If it were released, showing Obama to be a citizen, you would all just cry that it was false.

1 I think it is far more important for a presidential candidate to pass a psych test.
2 Obama's mother and her parents were Americans, ergo Obama is American.
3 Don't these people have a real life?

Birthers get lost.

GOP HI governor has also confirmed Obama's birth certificate is valid. Guess she is on the conpiracy too!?! Such nonsense.

Obama was born on U.S. soil to an American mother. He is a natural born citizen. You “birthers” are WACKO.

A few things here folks:

1. The birther movement is comprised of many of the same characters who say 9/11 was a conspiracy by
Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. Check it out for yourself. Doesn't take much googling.

2. The birther soldier was dismissed by the military. This was touted as a “victory” for the birthers.

3. The next day, he was fired by his employer, who it turns out, has only one client: DOD.

4. Yesterday, the Fed. Ct. dismissed his lawsuit summarily.

Now the guy has no income from the miltary or a civilian job. Good goin!

5. This lawyer got her law degree online. She's completely batsh*t crazy.

Why doesn't BO just release (whatever it is the birthers want him to release) the document?

Because he's rolling on the floor laughing each time he gets to rub these people's noses in their own sh*t.

One lawsuit at a time.

I try sometimes to listen to Sean Hannity, I really do, but his continuing distortion of facts, his use of out of context quotes to support whatever 'point' he is trying to make, is really unnerving.
For me, it makes everything he says, even if by chance he has something valid to say, completely irrelevant. I don't believe him.
It's unfortunate that talk show hosts like Hannity don't make some reasonable effort to argue their point of view with some intelligence and insight instead of intentional distortion. His continued insistence that there may be some validity to the Obama birth certification question is only one of many cases in which obvious and intentional distortion of fact is his mainstay argument on his show. Doesn't he have anything valid to argue his conservatism? One has to question his motives.

I hope for the sake of our country that his followers do not take him at face value. Even as a commentator, he's a fraud.

frank nelson

to be natural born, only one parent has to be American. Get over it. He is President and you are not.

Oh great…now I'm just waiting for this Osama bin Laden as a 12 year old conspiracy to take hold among these freaks. Someone prove to me right now that Elvis and Reagan aren't behind all of this.

He DID produce a certified copy of his birth certificate, you dolt!

As another poster said, he's had to produce such a document to get passports, drivers licenses, etc. What really chaps you is that he isn't bowing down to these ridiculous demands and jumping through your hoops, and you're using that as a veil to (very poorly) disguise your own racism. Good for him–I wouldn't dignify this junk with compliance, either!

You misstate the definition of “natural born”. See the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Title 8 of the U.S. Code is even more specific. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

'birthers' = another name for 'racists'. The ONLY reason these f-tards are doing this is because they can't stand the fact that a black man is our President. Its time to grow up y'all. Time to stop the hate! Stop embarrassing yourselves and our country. Get an education.

Sad and time in America when this type of foolishness gets legitimize in court! If this was a white man, this would not have even been an issue. Get over it Old White America, the country you knew is gone forever and young people have spoken! They do not agree with you logic and/or racists attitude. If you thought these clowns were upset, just wait until 2016? A woman as POTUS! After that? An Hispanic as POTUS…….Priceless

obama was born during the fake moon landing. wear tin foil on your head or the fluoride will enable him to read your mind!

OMG, these people are totally devoid of ANY reasoning skills!! They apparently think that, for his ENTIRE LIFE, Obama has been “getting away” with “fooling” our government into giving him a passport, social security card, jobs, college scholarships and student loans, etc. They need to seek mental health care NOW.

Oh, you mean kind of the way GWB refused to release his military records? Like that?

There is nothing that anyone could ever produce that would stop the birthers from believing what they wish to believe. Ignorant people, all of them.

When o when will someone tell these … people … that EVEN IF President Obama WAS born in Kenya, HE WOULD STILL BE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!!!!!!! BECAUSE HIS MOTHER is an American???? If he WAS born in Kenya, he would be every bit as American as JOHN McCAIN – who was BORN IN PANAMA!!!!!!!!!

Jeese. What is WRONG with these folks????

all he has to do is show his long form birth certificate. that would put an end to all of this. why cant he produce that?

GOPs are not only brain-damaged but spiritually bankrupt. They feast on each other's malevolence, and expose their kinship with Gollum. Behind their masks, they sport Gollum's snarl.

It all boils down to racism. They don't want a black president. I didn't think they would question John Mcain's birth certificate if he had won the election.

Former Reps. Mickey Edwards (R-Okla.) and Chris Shays (R-Conn.) made the argument that if the Republican-controlled Congress had exhibited greater oversight during former President George W. Bush's time in office, they could have prevented some of the most calamitous results of that administration and even saved thousands of lives.

… Shays argued that had more members of Congress, including Republicans, gone to Iraq and visited Abu Ghraib, prisoner abuses would have come to light sooner.

“That would have alerted the administration to what was happening, the command authority to what was happening and it probably would have saved a 1,000 lives,” Shays said.

Shays said the Bush White House abused its powers in a way that resulted in many of the domestic and international problems that have unfolded recently.

“This past Republican Congress hurt this administration by not having some hearings,” said the Connecticut Republican. “Had we had hearings it would have nipped those problems in the bud.”

Mickey Edwards (R-Okla.) was even more critical.

He mocked members of Congress when it came to flexing their constitutional oversight authority.

In particular, he lamented the House Republican lawmakers' unified opposition to holding hearings to investigate the firing of U.S. Attorneys by the Bush White House.

“One of the most shocking things was when the House voted to hold [Counsel Harriet] Miers and [Chief of Staff Josh] Bolten in contempt because they refused to obey a congressional subpoena,” said Edwards.

“Every single member of my party, except for three, walked out. Members of Congress walked out of the chamber rather than stand up as members of Congress so that congressional subpoena (would) be obeyed. Party trumped Constitution.”

Get some mental health care, “m.” Maybe you and the rest of the “birthers” can get a group rate.

When Barry Soetoro went to Pakistan in 1981, he was not using the name Barack Obama.
He used his Indonesian name of Barry Soetoro so he could travel to Pakistan with his Indonesian Passport.
He got into Harvard and Columbia the same way his Kenyan father got into the University of Hawaii, foreign student aide.
This is why he refuses to show his PP, school records and birth certificate.
The man is a fraud
By the way
Pakistan was under Martial Law in 1981 when Barry went there to visit the two hot spots of muslim unrest
Rumor?
Then what keeps Barry from showing his documents?

The truth scares him is why

Of COURSE they give you a copy. If they gave you the original, the state would no longer have the official record of your birth. Certificates of live birth certify that the infant was born alive. I assume another certificate is used when the infant is stillborn.

Obama has long since produced his birth certificate. He has to produce a copy, just as these people only can produce copies of their own birth certificates. What actually is he supposed to do to satisfy these people? They look right at it and they say he won’t produce it. The proper officials in Hawaii say it exists and they won’t believe it. They are people who can look at direct evidence of a thing and still claim that thing doesn’t exist. They must have a very hard time getting by at all in this world, where for them no evidence exists of anything except what they choose to believe, and what they choose to believe is true, even in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

Oh yeah, illegal wiretapping. no worries, just don't lie about it. Your name could not be more fitting.

This whole conspiracy thing has Michelle Bachmann written all over it

This is all these Republican freaks have to offer? They are utterly and entirely useless.

I don’t know about anyone else but this was my favorite paragraph. The post is funny. The last paragraph hysterical. I’m still laughing.

“Biden becomes temporary president, a new election will be called for, democratic party fails and ceases to exist, Libertarians and Republicans become the 2 main parties, MSNBC Olberman and Maddow are done, Jackson and Sharpton cry foul, marches in the streets, marches turn to riots. From this point we can only hope for the best.”

Let them keep going

after all they are not only the party of no country first- but also the do-nothing congress

let us not forget that

2000-2006

Nothing!

For all those who don't want Obama to be exposed, thus sharing in this apparent cover-up whether willfully or unintended due to ignorance, I call your attention to the part above where it says, “To push back against rumors that he was not born in Hawaii, the campaign reproduced a Certificate of Live Birth from the state’s Health Department. Instead of terminating the conspiracy theories, that inspired new theories — that the certificate had been forged or that even if it hadn’t been forged it was the sort of certificate that could be given to someone born outside of the United States. But the certificate is specific about Obama’s birth in Honolulu, down to the 7:24 p.m. time.”

Problem: Obama DID NOT put a certifiCATE but a certifiCATION which differs much from an ACTUAL certificate. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! A birth certificate shows DETAILED info like the Dr. of birth, the actual hospital, etc. But the certification proves only that the guy basically exists. Fact: In 1961 Hawaii issued CERTIFICATIONS of live birth most of the time for FOREIGN born children.

Worldnetdaily.com is just reporting the GLARING facts about this CONTROVERSY — and I wouldn't call it a theory especially since Obama STILL won't release his actual birth CERTIFICATE, and that's A FACT.

I really encourage all who are opposed to the birthers to PLEASE log on to wnd.com and just read what they have to say and examine their material INSTEAD of just blowing them off because you may just be putting yourselves and this country in great constitutional, financial and moral jeopardy by legitimizing a “president” that might not be president AFTER ALL…

I'm quite sure extensive Illegal Wiretapping was indeed a problem, covering it up only made it worse. your name could not be a more accurate description.

Just like you like your foreign news-faux clown show- foreign owned-

we like our foreign president

he does not have to show you anything

country first do nothings

Well I’m just all broken up about your “retraction”. And as far as being an “asshole”, you ain’t seen nothing yet! I don’t need your f@cking approval. I’ve EARNED my right to say what I think. I was a part of your sick system for years. I want nothing more than to see it all fall and burn now. It’s like living in a ghetto. The best thing that could happen is for a bulldozer to just scrape it up and bury it in a landfill, detox the land and start over again with something useful. You all like to say that if we don’t like Obama, it is just because he is Black. You never talk about the percentage of Black voters that voted for him being 95%. I’m pretty sure they voted for him in those numbers entirely BECAUSE he is Black and not so much for any other reason. Sounds pretty “racist” to me. The only reason no judge has yet ordered his records produced in one of these lawsuits is that none of them have wanted to be the one who initiates the race war that will surely ensue once that is done. I don’t give a $hit! I say LET ER RIP! It will be more fun that fishing with dynamite!

I was born in Ohio, of parents who were born in the U.S. So I guess I'm legit. If there is truly any question of his citizenship, and in the spirit of this ridiculous argument; then he can have my citizenship and I'll to some other country with a clue!

we liek em foreign just like our news- faux clown show

Beacuse if he did produce it, birthers would claim it is a fake.

This sort of inanity is what the country gets after 15 years of idiots dominating over AM radio. Our political culture has thereby been ruined for a generation.

Greg, I agree with you completely…except remember not ALL old white people are this stupid. Some of us, mostly Democrats, were there side by side with minorities during the Civil Rights movement. As a baby boomer who has walked that line, broke the gender barrier as the first female manager in my national company…and took unbelievable cr@p for daring to be a manager from the old white men…I can tell you that many of us old white people are incredibly embarassed by this racist group of our generation.

Don't forget that people like the Kennedy's, the Clintons, the white men and women in the Democratic party have all been there during those years where we were criticized incredibly by our family and friends for demanding equal opportunity for all. We are all still here fighting for Obama and Sotomayor and gays etc…
Your generation is my final hope that this discrimination will end…I raised my own two children to know better…they are YOUR generation and I'm beyond proud of you guys!

Among the errors in this article, the most significant is that the link says “Certificate of Live Birth”, but the document linked says “Certification of Live Birth”. None of the articles scoffing at the so-called “birthers” have addressed the difference between the two documents. Anyone who cares to learn the truth can go to hawaii.gov and research the “Certification of Live Birth” and see that it is a different document than a Birth Certificate and could easily be acquired by parents of foreign born children up to a year after birth. You'll have to pardon those of us who fancy ourselves free men if we don't get back in line with the sheep and believe every word that comes out of O's mouth (or every jpeg posted to his website).

Please – psych meds for all of 'em!!

[...] ‘Birther’ Movement Dogs Republicans | The Washington Independent Kris Kobach is a law professor with degrees from Harvard, Yale and Oxford, and a veteran of George W. Bush’s administration who, after Sept. 11, helped craft the policy on domestic registration of foreign visitors to the United States. In May, he announced a run for Kansas secretary of state, campaigning for photo ID requirements at the voting booth. He’s considered a clear front-runner for the job. But over the weekend, Kobach spoke at a Republican Party barbecue and committed a minor gaffe. According to the Lawrence Journal-World, Kobach “asked what President Obama and God had in common, with the punchline being neither has a birth certificate.” [...]

Okay I get it but where's the birth certificate?

As an avid Obama supporter, I am quite pleased that the Birfers are sticking to the Republicans like a sign saying “Kick Me”.

do you even listen to yourself? if he produced it, it would put an end to it. there would be an attending physician signature on it.

I find it most strange that ONLY President Obama needs to prove his citizenship. While all hte other 22 Presidential Candidates don't.

It is more strange that it IS an known fact that John McCain was NOT born in America. Why weren't the birthers up-in-arms about his birth?

Answer: RACISM plain and simple racism. One way or another, we are going to get that n****r out of office.

“please explain you genious”????

English as a second language, perhaps?

congress held a hearing into McCain's elgibilty for the presidency, was that racist? asking Obama to produce a long firm birth certificate isnt racist, its constitutional. the republicans are the ones that ended slavery. the dems are the one with a former KKK member sitting in the senate.

It's strange that these birther freaks often have no problem believing heresay that some “virgin” gave birth 2000 years ago, yet they can't comprehend how the son of a Kansas woman could be a naturalized citizen. Cretins…

No- Biden gets thrown out with Obama. it's Nancy Pelosi they want!

RACIST!!!

Prove that John McCain is american!

The only thing in jeopardy is your sanity.

I had to get a copy of my birth certificate from PA a few years ago. It does not list the doctor who delivered me, nor the name of the hospital. Just my name, the names of my parents, the city and county of my birth, and the date and time. It has a raised seal on it from the PA, just like Obama's copy of his birth certificate had a raised seal from Hawaii.

Here's the deal: YOUR TEAM LOST. You people need to get a grip on what's left of your sanity and move on. This whole business is even crazier than those loonies who kept trying to claim that Bill and Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster. No matter how many times Foster's own wife AND the police AND the coroner confirmed he killed himself, the loonies insisted he was murdered. You people won't take ANY piece of evidence from the state of Hawaii as factual!!

As someone else stated, the burden of PROOF is on you birthers. You have compiled a lot of lies and innuendo, but no PROOF of your claims. The president should not have to prove that you are wrong — you should have to prove that you are right. PERIOD.

Believe it or not I am sixty years old, born in New York city and I have an old black and white photocopy of my birth certificate. It even has a C on it which stands for colored. Back in the day coloured birth certificates were filed separately, in a different place. It is the copy my mother applied for and received in 1948 just before we left New York. My mother always used it for me when she had to verify my birth etc. and then she gave it to me to use when I turned 21. My mother was an organization buff and I guess so am I that's why I still have the original with signatures. It's a keepsake now, because it's no longer considered valid. I had to apply to New York for a new copy of my birth certificate to use to get my passport 2 years ago. The new one has almost no information on it, just certifies that I was born in New York in 1948, but it's considered valid and the original is not, go figure.

If people understood just a little about Africans and other cultures they would know that Obama could not have been born in Africa. Africans (in all African countries) do not accept marriages to foreigners. So Obama's father could never, never, never have taken home to Africa an American woman as his wife. That's why he left his wife and Obama in America. He went back to Africa where he probably already had a wife, or wives, or had a woman who the family had arranged for him to marry as soon as he got back to Africa. Africans are almost like Indians who will kill their own child if they marry out of the culturally accepted group. Americans, black or white are not a culturally accepted group for Africans to marry into.

Believe it or not I am sixty years old, born in New York city and I have an old black and white photocopy of my birth certificate. It even has a C on it which stands for colored. Back in the day coloured birth certificates were filed separately, in a different place. It is the copy my mother applied for and received in 1948 just before we left New York. My mother always used it for me when she had to verify my birth etc. and then she gave it to me to use when I turned 21. My mother was an organization buff and I guess so am I that's why I still have the original with signatures. It's a keepsake now, because it's no longer considered valid. I had to apply to New York for a new copy of my birth certificate to use to get my passport 2 years ago. The new one has almost no information on it, just certifies that I was born in New York in 1948, but it's considered valid and the original is not, go figure.

If people understood just a little about Africans and other cultures they would know that Obama could not have been born in Africa. Africans (in all African countries) do not accept marriages to foreigners. So Obama's father could never, never, never have taken home to Africa an American woman as his wife. That's why he left his wife and Obama in America. He went back to Africa where he probably already had a wife, or wives, or had a woman who the family had arranged for him to marry as soon as he got back to Africa. Africans are almost like Indians who will kill their own child if they marry out of the culturally accepted group. Americans, black or white are not a culturally accepted group for Africans to marry into.

When Bill Clinton was elected and remained hugely popular, the only way the far wrong could disrupt him was to hang him up on his zipper. The country's self-annointed moral watchdogs — Gingrich, Sanford, Ensign and the like — ground the country to a halt because the president got a hummer and tried to hide it. They had no ideas, no vision, just a low-life hypocritical tactic to bring down the popular Democrat. Now we have the same thing happening, except the only thing they can do is keep harping on the birth certificate. Produce proof? Hey, it's forged. These idiots have no hope of removing Obama from office, but they want to be just disruptive enough to keep the whacked-out far wrong roiling. And that can only have really, really bad results. The racists and the rest of the far-wrong are coming out of the closet to spew their hate, with General Buchana helping to lead the way. Be afraid. These are the people who are turning the U.S. into a third-world nation.

If both parents had to be citizens of the country in which you were born..George Washington and the rest of our early presidents would have been illegitimate. Their parents were still citizens of Britain at their birth and you are totally, completely and absolutly wrong.

Obama was born in Hawaii…a state of this union to a Citizen of this nation. You think that secret service does not undertake a serch on people running for president?

If both parents had to be citizens of the country in which you were born..George Washington and the rest of our early presidents would have been illegitimate. Their parents were still citizens of Britain at their birth and you are totally, completely and absolutly wrong.

Obama was born in Hawaii…a state of this union to a Citizen of this nation. You think that secret service does not undertake a serch on people running for president?

Where was George W. Bush's birth certificate, Bill Clinton, or George Sr. or gasp, could it be that Ronald Reagan was not born in the US either?, I have never seen any of their Birth Certificates. It is scary, if you are Republican you can start a baseless war, waste 1 TRILLION dollars to destroy a country, drive up oil costs from $36 dollars a barrel to $145 dollars a barrel, be phtographed kissing the Saudi Prince (Where 15 of 19 hijakers on 9/11 came from), and then find any way you can to whine, moan and complain when you cannot rape the poor in the US any longer, go away you cancerous, anti-democratic, anti-civil liberty morons, aren't there some more extra-marital affairs out there waiting on you, or some other scandal.

Where was George W. Bush's birth certificate, Bill Clinton, or George Sr. or gasp, could it be that Ronald Reagan was not born in the US either?, I have never seen any of their Birth Certificates. It is scary, if you are Republican you can start a baseless war, waste 1 TRILLION dollars to destroy a country, drive up oil costs from $36 dollars a barrel to $145 dollars a barrel, be phtographed kissing the Saudi Prince (Where 15 of 19 hijakers on 9/11 came from), and then find any way you can to whine, moan and complain when you cannot rape the poor in the US any longer, go away you cancerous, anti-democratic, anti-civil liberty morons, aren't there some more extra-marital affairs out there waiting on you, or some other scandal.

Where was George W. Bush's birth certificate, Bill Clinton, or George Sr. or gasp, could it be that Ronald Reagan was not born in the US either?, I have never seen any of their Birth Certificates. It is scary, if you are Republican you can start a baseless war, waste 1 TRILLION dollars to destroy a country, drive up oil costs from $36 dollars a barrel to $145 dollars a barrel, be phtographed kissing the Saudi Prince (Where 15 of 19 hijakers on 9/11 came from), and then find any way you can to whine, moan and complain when you cannot rape the poor in the US any longer, go away you cancerous, anti-democratic, anti-civil liberty morons, aren't there some more extra-marital affairs out there waiting on you, or some other scandal.

Great Job GOP, Well done!

Hopefully every GOP presidential campaign rally in the future will be full of these ridiculous caricatures of informed American voters, the anti-intellectual angle that was intended to misdirect the mainstream has deflected back into your own party base in the vacuum of legitimate ideas, It's wonderful how your own can make clowns of your of party so much better than liberals ever could, from self-righteous vainglorious cheaters, and homebreakers, to right-wing terror-committing extremists, to fringe conspiracy theorists unappeased by rationality or reason, I might send the RNC a few bucks to keep up the great work, P.S. great stuff steele with the the chicken and potatoe salad bribe to blacks, priceless, that a get em'

As a Naturalized citizen of the United States who followed all the rules I've long appreciated that I was never eligible to become the President. This is clearly stated in the Constitution. I personally think the founding fathers had the right idea in enshrining this rule because your mindset is to some degree conditioned by where you were born. I have followed this debate from the beginning regarding's Obama's birth and it is very clear there are irregularities here. I think it no coincidence that Obama chose to become a professor of Constitutional Law because he knew from a very young age, despite his ambitions, he was not eligible. He reasoned that by becoming familiar with the law he might find a loophole. The psychology behind career choices is often very revealing…….

We are on the threshold of a Constitutional crisis. Obama hopes to ride out the storm by making it very embarrassing for all concerned to depose him.

…and the Earth is still flat.

I am all for keeping this “controversy” going… all the proponents look absolutely foolish.

And, for the record johndk7, the fact of the matter is that the Health Department of the state of Hawaii stands by the assertion that Obama was born in Hawaii… that's good enough for me. Not that I was concerned to begin with, but their spokeperson is right… she could drive to your house with 53 pieces of documentation proving it, take you out to lunch to convince you, and you would still throw on your tinfoil hat and claim it was all a scam.

Then fly yourself to Hawaii, walk into the appropriate building, and look at it.

This is so silly because when the President travels abroad he has to have a PASSPORT, which is in a Black Book unlike the Blue Book that a regular citizen has. The state department employees hold the President's PASSPORT for him. So, the Moral to this story is, NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE, NO PASSPORT!!!

Birthers will file their frivolous lawsuits in any court that will have them, and get overruled and dismissed up until January 20, 2017. Then they'll claim victory – “See, we forced the pretender out of office”.

Theirs is a separate reality.

Everything you just published in your post is a lie. EVERYTHING.

The voices in your head are going to have to look for some facts next time.

Place of birth (“jus soli”) is not the only deterimant of natural-born-citizenship. President Obama's mother was an American citizen, even if his father was not. Let us suppose that Obama had been born in France. He might be considered a French citizen by the French, but he would also be a natural-born American citizen on the basis of “jus sanguinis;” which is to say his citizenship derived from that fact that his mother was an American. So, it really doesn't matter where he was born, although all the evidence points to Hawaii as his birth place.

Assuming he was born in Hawaii, he gets his citizenship on the basis of “jus soli.” Someone should look up the case of US v Wong Kim Ark. Wong was born in the US while his parent, who were Chinese citizen, were resident in the US conducting business. The Supreme Court ruled on the basis f “jus soli” that Wong was a native born American citien, because as stated in the 14th Amendment, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, subject to the jusisdiction of the United States, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

Thus Obama's citizenship is determined by place of birth(jus soli) and by virtue that his mother was American(jus sanguinis).

I doubt that this will end this stupid controversy, but there it is.

Original birth certificates are kept in state archieves. All any of us have are copies.

Scares me that these people are making our laws This country is in deep trouble Is there something in the water making people crazy ?

Racism…Racism……how low with the Republicans go before they bottom out! FOX is a joke and now considered the new Comedy Channel. Who cares about this crap…he is our President and I voted for him and will again in 2012!!!

I hope Obama never shows you people anything! He has nothing to prove!!!

Rock on Mr. President!!!

Quite the namecaller, eh?

Breaking News! I have it on good authority that George W. Bush is NOT a citizen.He is actually from the planet Doofus and was on a reconnaissance mission prior to invasion. The proof is out there for all to see on any number number of websites that get their information directly from God. (Those sites also offer a great price on tinfoil hats.) My mind is made up so don't try to convince me with facts.

This is a NON ISSUE….

The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in American statute law, have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”[10] To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring “natural born” citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words “natural born” from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents “shall be considered as citizens of the United States.”[11]

It doesn't matter whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not. His mother was a U.S. citizen. His father resided in the U.S. when Barack was conceived. He is a natural born citizen. This is nothing more than the wingnuts looking for an excuse to disallow the outcome of the 2008 election.

He's your president now just as Bush was last year when the sane would rather have had just about anyone else in the job.

Get over it.

au contraire pal, read the facts and stop SLANDERING.  Act like an American not an idiot.

you have got some kind of nerve bringing FACTS into this! Citing case law and all… sheesh. Way to wreck a good conspiracy theory… NOW what will we do? Play D&D?

When God was handing out intelligence He must have gone out on a break when your turn came up, because you are completely devoid of any intelligence.

Let me ask you a question; where are the birth certificates for any of the previous Presidents?
Is it that they don’t need to prove their births because they are WHITE, or President Obama needs to prove his birth because he is BLACK?!

He presented a legal copy of his birth certificate. Just like the legal copy I have of my birth certificate (I was also born in 1961, though in a different state). There has not been ONE SINGLE COURT in this country that has found ONE SHRED of merit in this silly business.

And the Republicans like my ancestors who supported abolition would have nothing whatsoever in common with the Republican party of today. That is why I left it.

You are pathetic! Get a life and use your energy for more contructive means! Sore losers…

No, it would not put an end to it! The “birthers” would claim it's a fake. They will not be deterred from this bizarre conclusion that they have already formed in their schizophrenic minds.

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, DON'T U GUYS GET IT…. THE AMOUNT OF VETTING A PERSON GETS BEFORE HE CAN BECOME A SITTING US PRESIDENT IS MONUMENTAL. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, PERSON WITH ANY DEGREE OF CONSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE CAN SNEAK INTO THE WHITE HOUSE. DO YOU REALLY THINK THE ENTIRE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST HEPPEN TO MISS OR SIMPLY FORGOT TO VERIFY HIS CITIZENSHIP. JESUS. U GUYS SOUND ABSOLUTELY BONKERS!!!!!!

again with the Facts… why you gotta rain on the parade?

First. You don't know me. It is quite a leap to take my comment and infer that I am a racist.
Second. You demonstrate your ignorance on the issue. I don't have to “Prove that John McCain is american”, because congress certified him. They looked into his birth history, had some hearings, and concluded he met the natural born citizen eligibility criteria. No such investigation was done for Obama. He was simply taken at his word. To date, no legal entity, court or congress, has certified Obama as meeting the natural born citizen eligibility criteria. What do we have offered as proof that he meets the criteria? An image on a website offered by the Obama campaign. Basically, we are taking the word of the president on the matter. That is not how a free society operates.

My children's birth certificates, which I obtained from Virginia shortly after their births, does not list the hospital or doctor on record.

How could Hawaii certify any birth that didn't occur in Hawaii? That in itself would be fraud.

It's amazing how dumb these birthers are. Go back to discussing how there was a breeze blowing the flag in the faked moon landing. Box of rocks.

This is not true at all. I am of African descent, and I have been to Africa many times. So many of my family members have dated and married people are not African; in fact, my ex-boyfriend was from Ghana, and he is mixed; his mother was from Hungary and his father is Ghanian. My uncle married a Black American woman and they now live in Africa, and she is doing just fine. There are many Africans that marry people of other races and cultures and their families are just fine with it. I don't think it was a good idea on your behalf to make generalizations like that. Of course, there are some that are not okay with it, but definitely not as a whole.

You're an idiot.

I think ALL of those GOPers should have to show their “official” birth certificate– whatever that is– cos I know the one I have for myself looks a lot like the one Obama is showing us. Raise your hand if you have something different than the kind he is showing us! Not many people do. This is a silly faux hub-bub designed to scare people and incite distrust. So– really, ALL of those folks wanting to see some other sort of Obama bc should have to show their own.

This whole movement is “borne” of racism, pure and simple.

I have never seen my birth certificate, although I'm sure I could order a duplicate if I needed one. I know a lot of Americans who don't have their original birth certificate.

it doesn’t matter. his mother is a US citizen, therefoe he is a natural born citizen. end of discussion.

You are the pathetic idiot johndk7! Get a life you sore loser!

He did produce a real live certificate. I have seen it and it includes the actual seal,raised…you are an idiot!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is so silly, the President travels abroad and has to have a Passport, His passport is in a black book unlike the blue book that the average citizen has. A State Dept Employee carries it around for him while abroad. Now listen to reason, you cannot get a Passport without a BIRTH CERTIFICATE. So if the President's Passport is illegal, who is handing out bogus Passports, is it a Republican?

I think an objective review of your post vs. mine would indicate that the only idiot is you.

Facts don't matter to you birthers, anyway. You have a conclusion in your schizophrenic mind that your convoluted conspiracy theory is true, and there is no amount of evidence that will deter you from believing it.

Again, there is not ONE SHRED of evidence to support these bizarre claims. No court in this country believes you. NO SANE PERSON believes you. Why? Because YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS.

Devastating rejoinder. Please, do continue. You only weaken the waning credibility on your side of the issue.

The Secret Service reads these comments.

You could be arrested for making threats of violence against the president.

Legally, they could drag your ass out of your house and haul you off to jail.

If you want to replace the president, there is a right way and a wrong way of doing it.

You want to do it the wrong way.

There’s a difference between a mob of angry people and WE THE PEOPLE collectively throughout the entire country.

If WE did to decide to kick the president out of office before the next election and without Congress doing so through the impeachment process, WE would have to march on Washington, peaceably of course, completely surround the White House, and then just sit down and stay there and wait for however long it would take for Obama to resign and leave on his own accord.

That’s what was wrong with the peace marches that happened when Bush was president. On at least three occasions WE had over 100,000 people protest the war. But at the end of the day, everyone went home.

Once again, WE THE PEOPLE turned back into wee the sheeple.

What an insane bunch of lies. You crazy conspiracy theory militia types give America a bad name

Born and raised in South Carolina. I have never been able to get the actual birth certificate from the state of South Carolina when I have applied for jobs or schools. What makes you think that anyone in this country can get the actual certificate of their birth.

You are right. You have brought your paranoia with you from where ever it is you came from. There is no logic to YOUR reasoning, but don't let that stop you.

This is why people who believe Hannity, Rush, and other such celebrities, are idiots. If you do not want to be an idiot, don't believe such lies.

Really as simple as that.

You cannot be serious. You expect us to believe that there's this VAST conspiracy of white people in Hawaii who, IN the 1960's, looked at a pregnant white woman named Stanley and a black man named Barack Obama and said “we gotta protect whoever that couple's baby is, because SURELY he will be the nation's first black President?”

AND then, even after all that nonsense has to be swallowed, you expect us to believe that President Obama chose to teach Constitutional Law at THE MOST RIGHT-WING top-tier law school in the country? Univ. of Chicago is where Richard Posner is. It's where classic neoconservative thought is centered. It is NOT the place where you'd go as a black man to hide out while you're scheming how to take over the free world right from under the nose of the white men in power.

NONE of what you argue is plausible. I don't even know why I bother trying to refute your absurdities with facts; it isn't as though you have the slightest interest in what is actually true or even POSSIBLE.

EXACTLY. I have a certified COPY of my birth certificate from PA; I have a certified COPY of my daughter's birth certificate from Ohio. Why should Obama have to meet a higher standard of proof than the rest of us, just because some loonies are demanding it? It's ridiculous.

You’re right, she’s just the PR person, but this statement is from the Director of Health of Hawaii.

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

Dude-I think you could get the vault copy and STILL not believe!!! I hope you have a good therapist, you need it!

How can someone who has never been to Kenya (Read the book) give birth in Kenya. What a waste of taxpayers money to spend all this time on a raciist 'witch-hunt'.

If there were really anything to the idea that Obama isn't a citizen, don't you think that Hillary would have used it to push him out of the Democratic primary? Obama HAS provided proof repeatedly, but the birthers think everything is a forgery, and that everyone is in on the conspiracy. They need to take their tin foil hats off and watch a real news show.

Appoint a special prosecutor to look into this scandal so that we can spend $100 million to see if Obama has a stained blue dress in his past. Sound familiar?

This is why people like you who believe Hannity, Rush, and other such celebrities, are idiots. If you do not want to be an idiot, don't believe such lies.

Really as simple as that.

This whole thing kills me. Those that beleive the President is not a “legitimate Citizen” need to ask themselves one question. Don't you think our FBI, CIA, and any other alphabet soup agency in our governement would have figured it out by now that he isn't a citizen? Seriously stop for a moment and use the brain you were given. Normal Joes who have no access to anything solved the President is faking it and our own intellegence agencies are just being duped. For goodness sakes the Clintons would have used every angle of this, if it were true, to win the nomination. Like him or not he is our President show some respect.

I can't plant trees fast enough to replace the amount of oxygen these people are wasting.

You. Are. Stupid. Please shut up. Racists all.

Amazing how 20 percent of the country that gets their “NEWS” from hyperbole mongers Hannity, Rush, and Oreilly, only embarrass themselves and this country more and more everyday. You people are serious losers with chips on your shoulders that are quite unpatriotic at that. Wake up!! It isn't enough to have the same losers still believe Iraq bombed the world trade center, or that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq….they just go on and on and on…..you people will even diss your own president as hes trying to mend foreign relations while he is overseas…..you tune into one news channel and play the constant victim card. Your idols in the media are nothing more then self promoters that sell themselves to you as a commodity that you swallow like lost little sheep….and to the detriment of this country at that. These are “conservatives” who turned a blind eye the last 12 years while the republicans have doubled the national debt and haven't said “boo” about it. I mean i can understand a difference of political opinion but base it in fact….I know far too many people that speak out of some implanted unreasonable fear (by Beck , Hannity) that are seriously demented..instead of issues they talk birth certificates, and lapel bins…..but thats great considering you losers are now a regional party who sadly (but truthfully) put party before country and base your future on our country's continued misery or worsening. These are the same folks who state the best thing for America would be for Osama Bin Laden to attack us again. There is so much hatred, inclusiveness, and fear in you people…its beyond comprehension.

It is a certified document from the state of Hawaii, which confirms the date and location of his birth. I care about the truth — you birthers, on the other hand, only care about your looney conspiracy theories. Even if the state of Hawaii went into their archives and pulled out his original birth certificate (which NO ONE else has EVER had to do to prove their citizenship – you people think, for some reason, that Obama should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us), you people would still claim it was “fake.”

Get some help. Seriously.

but why not just release the original document?
and even if he was born her he rescinded his citizenship in Indonesia. so either way it's VOID.

I think you're missing the more likely strategy here, one that dovetails with Republican efforts to keep minorities from voting whenever possible and especially out of office. There are quite a few native-born Americans, mostly poor ones, who cannot produce a birth certificate when challenged. In some cases they were born far from a hospital, but natural disasters have also destroyed vital records in some localities (again, predominantly poor ones). It's not really about Obama — it's about voters and candidates to be named later, once the Republicans get a requirement to show documents every time a person attempts to use any of their everyday civil rights.

The worst part about your post is that you call yourself “wellread.” I've read more informative words on bathroom stalls. Do tell what you have EVER read that would justify your screen name.

And it's well-read, by the way. You're right about one thing. “It is very clear that there are irregularities here.” But all the irregularities emanate from YOU, not from President Obama.

Because we all know that the arbiter of who is born where is “part of the military.” If there was video of the President being BORN they'd say it was faked, just like the moon landing…

You are a joke. You actually believe that because he became a constitutional lawyer, he must not be a citizen? This is your version of logic? What about all the other constitutional lawyers? Are they all secretly foreigners also? And what exactly do you mean, it's clear that there are irregularities here? Name one. Just one, but base on the facts, not your crackpot psychology. The only irregularities here are the idiots like you who are determined to twist reality completely until it looks like the world you WISH you lived in. Here's a hint: stating over and over again that something is fishy doesn't actually make it fishy. But I don't expect that point to penetrate very deep into the fog you call a brain.

What specific irregularities are there, aside from your not having been there to worship his birth? Also, by your logic, we should suspect that everyone that has ever become a constitutional law secretly wishes to violate the constitution, and every policeman secretly wishes to break the law. You're making leaps in logic that are no short of superman-esque.

On file in Hawaii: http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/bi… Here's it is. It looks just like other birth certificates from Hawaii. Now please, get over this fetish so we can talk about the important issues of the day.

The chances of proving George Bush was AWOL from his National Guard duty are far greater than of proving Obama is a foreigner,

A researcher found the Honolulu Advertiser announcement of Barack Obama's Aug 4, 1961 birth (published August 13, 1961):

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_anno…

Unless someone time-travelled to fake this evidence, then Barack Obama WAS born in Honolulu, Hawaii

I'm waiting with bated breath for you to tell us exactly how President Obama rescinded his citizenship in Indonesia.

The only VOID is the one between your ears.

Just get used to saying President Barack Hussein Obama. You'll get plenty of chances in the next 7 and a half years.

.. Ah don' know nuthin' bout birthin' babeez, Miz Scarlett.. ah's a rebooblican..

Good catch. They're planning for ways that they can close any door that is open for minorities, while simultaneously opening any door that is closed for Sarah Palin.

My Mother was an American citizen who gave birth to me in Canada.

I went to get my Passport as an adult and because she had been dead for many years, it involved proving that she lived in the U.S. for 4 years after her 14th birthday (which of course she had) and prove her birth in the U.S. and the mariage certs of her parents, etc. – all reasonable stuff).

It was simple process. The citizenship of my Father was never discussed – one of my parents was an Amercian who lived in the U.S. for at least 4 years after the age of 14 – so I am an American AND SO IS OBAMA.

Why can't someone simply put an end to thios racist crap?

You're as whacky as the birthers. That's all I have to say about that.

Would a video of his parents conceiving him and a gps of his mom until the moment of both satisfy you?

It's pretty obvious that God not only doesn't speak to Limbaugh, but she doesn't speak to the Republicans either. How do I know? She told me.

I think a lot of the birthers don't realize that President Obama is a “junior.” His father was also named Barack Hussein Obama and his father was born in Kenya. Obama senior was smart enough to get a scholarship to the University of Hawaii, where he met and married Obama's mom.
Is it possible that some of the conspiracy theorists don't know that President Obama is named after his dad, and they are getting the two confused? In other words, are they crazy paranoids, or are they just stupid?

What do President Obama and God have in common…neither one is a Republican.

I think we should call upon all Presidents, from the first one to this one, to see their Birth Certificates. Why only this one?

Very good point. Anyone who debates otherwise has never worked at the polls in an urban area or is completely blind to the egregious voter suppression that takes place in this country.

Let's call it what it really is, “The Sore Losers Movement” .

Kwiley9711 – you are ass deep in the GOP kool-aid fountain. Do youself a favor, come up for air.

Your story omitted a few relevant facts about Maj. Cook that cast very serious doubt on his credibility and, as a result, Sean Hannity's and Fox News' for reporting this case without checking the facts: Maj. Cook volunteered to serve in Afghanistan AFTER President Obama was elected and AFTER boasting about having joined another birther lawsuit. Also, Cook could have had his deployment revoked through administrative channels, rather than going through a federal lawsuit. The fact that the military revoked his deployment says nothing about President Obama. But the whole issue, including his subsequent suggestion that the revocation indicates the military wanted to sweep the issue under the rug, says lots more about Cook.

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/07/16/fox_continu…

The fact that neither Hannity nor Fox bothered to look beyond Cook's claims for their reporting also speaks volumes.

John McCain was the only 2008 Presidential candidate not born in the United States. He was born in Panama, Canal Zone when his father was stationed there in 1937. It was not until the next year, 1938, that the Congress fixed this, and gave any person born of U.S. citizens while serving abroad in the military was a U.S. citizen, with the full rights of a citizen. But the law said nothing about the U.S. Constitutional requirement that a President must be a “natural born citizen”, and the law was not specifically retroactive. In recent years, a court decision found that the law applied to persons born before the law was passed in 1938, such as John McCain, but it did not deal with the issue of eligibility for the Presidency.

Those who question President Obama's birth in Hawaii are desperate for an issue to derail a successful President's agenda, which hopefully will restore the country to the respect it had before George Bush was elected President by the vote of one Supreme Court Justice, and proceeded almost to wreck the country.

What “original”? They DID release the original. Just because some people have more fun saying that it wasn't the original doesn't actually mean it wasn't.

And on a related note.. where's your original birth certificate?

He lived in Indonesia when he was a small child……Oh sure He rescinded his citizenship..MORONS . These people with their rumours are laughable

He lived in Indonesia when he was a small child……Oh sure He rescinded his citizenship..MORONS . These people with their rumours are laughable

He lived in Indonesia when he was a small child……Oh sure He rescinded his citizenship..MORONS . These people with their rumours are laughable

Why is the press giving these nutjobs this much attention? These people are actually crazy. The press has no issue telling Holocaust deniers, AIDS deniers, Doomsday cults, Klansmen, Star Wars fetishists and every other group who ignore rationality to seek professional help and yet they take a “neutral tone” in this. Wow, that Left Wing press is really showing their pro-Obama colors…

No one gets the original document. It is on file at the state of birth. We all get COPIES. He did NOT rescind his citizenship in Indonesia as he was only there a few years and came back to America–where did you get that idea? Ever read his book? I doubt it. His mother was an American citizen, and his grandparents were, too. Now, please get a life, and stop distracting the country from what is really important. And btw, here is his birth certificate, though I'm sure it won't be good enough for your high standards: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

Obama's Mom was an American citizen – no one disputes that !! So where's the irregularity? You're a moron and an a-hole too :-) …

Um…no. Scott was born in the United States. The Court denied his citizenship on the basis that he was born a slave, and at that time, slaves were considered property. Not that the case is even relevant – it was invalidated by the 13th (prohibited slavery) and 14th (privilege and immunities, due process, equal protection) Ammendments.

AlcheMiss is right. The Consitution gives Congress the authority to create a uniform nationality law. They did so via the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. If President Obama was born out of the country (which he was not), the Act provides that a child born abroad between 1952 and1986 to 1 parent posessing US citizenship is a citizen if that parent had been present in the US for at least 10 years, 5 after the age of 14.

Just another way for Republicans to make sense of the fact that the country abandoned them. It couldn't be because their ideas don't work, it has to be something more sinister.

I recently drove through Kansas for the first time. I have resolved to NEVER return to that homeland of bigotry and stupidity. I spent NO money in that hell hole and will never return.

Rush Limbaugh is no standard for anything except stupidty, and that applies double to his audience and the entire audience of Fox Noise. No, I am not nice to neocon conservatives. To me the F in “Fox” only stands for ONE word-and you can infer what that word is. Hint-it isn't “F”air.

You are believing the “anti-Christ” hype in thinking Obama is so devious he would plot
his Constitutional Law degree and sneak into the White House. President Obama was
elected by a hugh majority of the American people. He did not sneak into the White House. Others on this site have commented on him being a natural born citizen, having a valid passport and going through extensive investigations by the Government agencies prior to becoming President. In addition, President Obama provided a copy of his birth certificate online during the primaries and the general election. The people who continue this conspiracy theory are either racists or nuts!

I would beg to differ on that one. Republicans, like God, do not support the killing of the unborn.

Well, fortunately, President Obama is not one of them. :)

Are they nuts! They want to pass a bill making it mandatory for Candidates to prove their citizenship. Yet when Obama produced such evidence they don't believe him. Why then would they believe anyone else? What exactly will this bill accomplish?

Let's face facts; if Obama were O'bama the Irish President we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The fact that he’s Black scares the hell out of these racists, and make no mistake about it, that is exactly what they are.

During the campaign there was some question as to McCain’s citizenship giving the fact he was born in Panama. Yet know one asked to see his proof of citizenship. The state of Hawaii has provided proof and there is no reason to believe there is a conspiracy on the part of the Hawaiian government. If you thought there was such a conspiracy then you would have to believe that they new that Obama would run for President some day and concealed his real birth place to further that cause. GIVE ME A BREAK!

The bottom line is you’re never going to satisfy the folks, so the best thing to do is ignore them. No news reports, no newspaper articles just simply ignore them. There is noting to prove and they will never prove their theory. They have noting to say that is fact based.

My challenge to these folks is to produce proof of their citizenship. And no matter how many times they show me the document(s), I won’t believe them. I just don’t believe any of them are true citizens. After all they’ve told us time and time again, document can be forged by anyone.

Are they nuts! They want to pass a bill making it mandatory for Candidates to prove their citizenship. Yet when Obama produced such evidence they don't believe him. Why then would they believe anyone else? What exactly will this bill accomplish?

Let's face facts; if Obama were O'bama the Irish President we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The fact that he’s Black scares the hell out of these racists, and make no mistake about it, that is exactly what they are.

During the campaign there was some question as to McCain’s citizenship giving the fact he was born in Panama. Yet know one asked to see his proof of citizenship. The state of Hawaii has provided proof and there is no reason to believe there is a conspiracy on the part of the Hawaiian government. If you thought there was such a conspiracy then you would have to believe that they new that Obama would run for President some day and concealed his real birth place to further that cause. GIVE ME A BREAK!

The bottom line is you’re never going to satisfy the folks, so the best thing to do is ignore them. No news reports, no newspaper articles just simply ignore them. There is noting to prove and they will never prove their theory. They have noting to say that is fact based.

My challenge to these folks is to produce proof of their citizenship. And no matter how many times they show me the document(s), I won’t believe them. I just don’t believe any of them are true citizens. After all they’ve told us time and time again, document can be forged by anyone.

I hope they keep it up. You can't buy such negative images for the Republicans.

Lt. Col. Maria Quon, U.S. Army Public Affairs Officer, U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Tuesday evening, Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty.

… Earlier today, Quon said Cook submitted a formal written request to Human Resources Command-St. Louis on May 8, 2009 volunteering to serve one year in Afghanistan with Special Operations Command, U.S. Army Central Command, beginning July 15, 2009. The soldier's orders were issued on June 9, Quon said.

“A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty,” Quon said.

As the “milblog” Mudville Gazette notes:

In short – Cook never had to go in the first place. Unlike most soldiers who deploy as part of a unit, Cook – a reservist – had volunteered to go as an individual augmentee. The Army generally seeks volunteers to fill such assignments first – if no one does so then a non-volunteer is tapped.

… Even without going to court, the Army says – essentially – hey, no problem. You were the one who wanted to go in the first place.

Actually, there is one “Major” problem. Because Cook waited to the last minute to take this action, either someone is going to get a very short notice non-volunteer assignment, or else the unit in Afghanistan will have to get by without one soldier for a while. Since that soldier would be a field grade officer, it's likely that the position will be of some significance.

This is something they cooked up several months ago in order to get some publicity. What a bunch of losers!.

It does not matter to me. Its better to have a President who protect people from Predatory lending, Credit Card exploitations, some one who care for all Americans health than just only healthy , some one who care for Global envorornment etc .. than have a George W Bush as a President. …What did Republicans did? Still they are talking for 5% top rich people. Stand with Avarage Americans…if you want to win?

When BO went to Indonesia @ 10yo, did he have a birth certificate?

i am telling these racist republican and their nazi allies that times have been changed different realities on the ground if you accept these ok other wise get fucked .liwsten sotomayor is the supreme court justice. latinos are very close to so called white majority.

OK so he is a natural born American, why will he not release his college records, is there something there he does not want us to see?

Just another example that republicans are batsh*t crazy. They don't even realize how idiotic they look.

This is the far-righties version of Whitewater, Vince Foster, Travelgate, etc, which follows the rule that “if you say a lie enough times, it must be the truth”. Or at the very least, you get those with the lowest IQs to bob their collective heads in unison and drool, while they wait for someone to toss them a fish!

Who knew the Republicans would *literally* lose their minds when they lost power. I know it's tough out there in the wilderness but their desperation here is just pathetic.

College records? Now you don't believe he graduated from college? Wingnut, you are truly pathetic! Wake up….YOU LOST THE ELECTION…GET OVER IT!

release nut job.

o wait. Devry was fresh out o'degrees that day?

and NEWSFLASH. he did. during the damned primaries. Use the interwebs for something oher than porn and fundie sites and you might know this.

Wasn't McCain born out of the country to American parents?

release yours too*

:D

valenHarris: just showes how little you know, the republicans lost power in 2006, which by the way is when a once great country began to go hell.

I have read the statement of Hawaii’s Dept of Health director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino. She confirms that she has seen and verified that they possess the President’s original birth certificate.

She has confirmed, on Oct 31, 2008, that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

In addition, the copy the Obama campaign released as been seen, touch, felt and confirmed to be an official copy of that original birth certificate. Photographs exist. Independent, third party confirmation exists.

What evidence will you believe, what spokesperson will you believe, if not the person directly responsible for managing such records, who has access to such records, who has seen the records?

amen.

The longer the Dems let this go on—the easier it is to tie these nutjobs to the Republican party. Letting the opposition and their supporters hang themselves is politics 101.

which to me sounds like the work of some traitorous bastards attempting to smear the good name of our President and our country.

Cook deserve's a nice lawsuit, or some jail time. This was most certainly planned and done so with the intention of defaming Obama's name in an attempts to politicize/legitimize a right-wing conspiracy theory steeped in racism.

This is what you get when your political party has no ideas and is loaded with these idiots.

In Virgina the GOP has a woman who says we should make changes via the “bullet box” versus the ballet box, you've got plenty of members continuing to deny any form of climate change, and yesterday I see a poll that says 72% of Republicans think Sarah Palin would be great as a President.

This is what you get when your political party has no ideas and is loaded with these idiots.

In Virgina the GOP has a woman who says we should make changes via the “bullet box” versus the ballet box, you've got plenty of members continuing to deny any form of climate change, and yesterday I see a poll that says 72% of Republicans think Sarah Palin would be great as a President.

Wasn't this “Obama birth certificate” thing settled a long time ago? Why do the Republicans keep on bringing this up? Don't they realize this makes them look dumb and wacky?

poor taste…

Right, a once great country, under George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

Duh.

The only thing I can say is that these people are so ridiculous and ignorant they aren't even worth the time to try and prove anything to them. How stupid can you get?

These guys make themselves look so shabby. Have they no shame? It is almost as if they unzipped and flashed their inadequacies to the world.

YOU NEED TO READ IT…CALL IF YOU NEED HELP WITH THE BIG WORDS MORON

Actually, TWO newspapers. There was one in the Aug. 14th 1961 Star Bulletin also.

Of course, they were actually elaborate microfilm forgeries.

NOT.

This is insane. Even if there were some error re: Obama's birth certificate — less than 1 in 100, 000,000 chance, I'd guess– it would not invalidate a presidential election. The only way to remove a president is by impeachment, and only grounds for impeachment is “high crimes”. Crimes require intent: how can a newborn have intent? If somebody fudged the certificate, it certainly wasn't the person who has been using as authentic his whole life.
We could far more easily challenge everything the executive branch did from 2000-2004 on the basis that the Supreme Court had no jurisdiction to decide that election!

ahh and I suppose “God” like “republicans” supports the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Civilians in a war against the “Axis of Ebil!!!!!11!11″

ALREADY HAS…NEXT

If Centcom did that (i.e., cancelled Major Cook’s deployment to Afghanistan), the officers in charge have not only failed to serve the national interest but are disloyal to the President, their Commander-in-Chief. Their decision sets a bad precedent that many other service men and women in the Armed Forces could use to avoid deployment. Yet, there is clearly no basis for Major Stefan F. Cook's assertion that President Obama is not a US citizen. As one would expecte, FOX NEWS is only to ready and willing to promote Mr. Cook’s grandstanding. Some bloggers have even suggested that Fox News is behind Mr. Cook’s stand. There is a well-established jurisprudence that the onus of proof lies with the one who allleges. It does not lie with CentCom, and surely not the President of the United States.

I agree. Poll tax, birth certificates, speaking English, hanging chads…. All of these represent the Rethugs' attempts to disenfranchise minorities. Now that one of those minorities was elected President, they've extended they're tactics to the highest office of the land. I'm just waiting for them to pull out their jackboots and hoods. (Maybe some of them already have.)

This is the end. Every time I think I might vote Republican (I was asked to support a Republican candidate for Governor of Wisconsin today), some crap like this is proposed. I am sick of this shit. Republicans: I will not come back to you until you have reassumed some sanity in your positions. Even if I think President Obama and the Democrats in congress might be on the wrong course, they are still light years ahead of the Republicans.

You're right, ghorton. This is insane. But it doesn't have to get as far as how to remove a sitting President.

Even if there were an error with President Obama's birth certificate…his mother was still an American citizen when he was born. Period. End of story. So everyone else can collect their tinfoil hats and go back home. If you all hurry, you may be in time to catch the last 2 hours and 45 minutes of Rush's broadcast…

It was seattled in court and out of court! Even republicans are fed up with this nonesense! Long time voteres say the party has gone completely nuts. As a old republican who voted Dem this year, I not pleased or ready to return to the party! I think they have enough problems with Sanford,Ensign, Palin, and I hear another GOP looked for Sex alse where than his own bed. It's time to clean house, or I don't care what happens with the economy, no republican is going to truest reprepublicans unless they are real stupid!

It also make them look stupid and desperate! Good post.
Dr. Sam

I had to get an “official” birth certificate to get my kid a US Passport — the hospital had given us a “birth abstract” which had been ok for Little League and soccer registration, but not for a Passport — and so, then, should it be TO BE PRESIDENT. Put up or shut up! Let's see the damned birth certificate. What's the big deal? If it exists, provide it. If it doesn't exist, then Osama isn't qualified to be President of the US.

You need to understand the story, with all due respect. Cook VOLUNTEERED for service in Afghanistan. It is the military's policy that a volunteer can back out any time prior to the day on which they are scheduled to ship out. So when Cook filed suit that said he no longer wanted to go, the military just said “ok, bye bye. You didn't need to file a lawsuit; you could have just told us you didn't want to go.”

The best part is that Cook's actual job was working for a defense contractor. And of course, the military said that now that he sued the Army, he is not welcome on military property. Instead of getting to look at President Obama's birth certificate, now Cook can spend all the time he wants studying his own pink slip.

But god does not exist.

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Traitors and secessionists.

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RoadScholar said to Randwulf 1 hour ago

“Ah. So you've chosen to remain an America-hating scofflaw conspiracy nut and an official pinhead. I am saddened by your choice.”

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Randwulf 2 minutes ago

You know. I'm 54 years old. I registered for the draft when I was 17. I was drafted three days after my 18th birthday. I avoided going into the army by basically joining the Marine Corps. I had in fact already been accepted into one of their commissioning programs prior to being drafted.

I'm an Eagle Scout, university graduate, former USMC officer, holder a master's degree from a major university and a self-employed construction manager for the past 20 years. I have never taken money form the US government for anything other than my scholarship from the Naval ROTC program in which I enrolled to be commissioned upon graduation and the pay I received while on active duty. I don't ask much from government. I expect it to defend our shores, maintain a highway system and leave me and the rest of the citizenry alone. I believe in small government and free enterprise. I do expect my government not to lie or withhold information from me. They are supposed to work for and be responsible to US.

So if that makes me “an American-hating scofflaw conspiracy nut and an official pinhead” well, I plead guilty. I guess I just don't measure up to what the NEW AMERICAN type is supposed to be. But I was saluting the flag and doing my duty, while others were burning and spitting on flags. I was working when others were laying around waiting for their welfare checks. I proudly wore the uniform and followed my orders while others grew out their hair and bad-mouthed their country. Now those people are calling ME “America-hating”? Whatever.

I distinctly remember the Navy requiring me to get them a copy of my original, long-form BC in order to enter my officer training program to become a 2nd Lt. It was a photocopy of the original with a stamp and official's signature on it. Notarized. I still have that in a file with my Honorable Discharge.

I had no misgivings about producing it for the Naval authority since it was required. That is just to be a 2nd Lt. So now I wonder why the Commander in Chief has a problem handing over a copy of his. That should “sadden” you more than my “American-hating” I should think.

No, just kill those who are already born.. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 tells parents to kill their disobedient children with stones.

Republicans don't seem to know the bible well, they're too busy thumping it.

Excuse me? Was that not an ad hominem attack? PROVIDE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A PIECE OF THE MOON, HERE, JUST PROVIDE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.

I don't know how much longer I'm going to keep living in Kansas. I was born here, but this state is getting more and more like Alabama with each passing day. Between, Kobach, Brownback, Tiahrt and our state board of education, this state has no hope. These extreme, evangelical conservatives are ignorant and ridiculous.

As reported on Keith Obermann, the Major referred to was then refused entry to his defense contractor job and fired, so his lawyer didn't do him many favors. The Pentagon apparently doesn't want employees in sensitive jobs who have issues with the government and the Commander in Chief. Seems reasonable to me.

Mr. Weigel:

Considering the name of your website, your article is not very open-minded. You and the commenters who insult persons who question Obama's eligibility only show your ignorance of the subject matter.

The Constitution requires that the President be a “natural born” U.S. citizen, but does not define natural born. The definition has been addressed only once since the Constitution was written, in Minor v. Happersett. In that case the U.S.Supreme Court wrote that a person born in the U.S. to U.S. citizens was natural born. The court stated that it had doubts about persons born under any other circumstances. Such circumstances would include one parent not being a U.S. citizen, as is the case with Obama. They would also obviously include the birth of a person outside the U.S., which might also apply to Obama. The public has never seen his long form birth certificate, showing the hospital and attending physician. The COLB Obama posted his on FightTheSmears website was first posted on the Daily Kos website. Is that not peculiar?

I would have thought that a top-notch university such as Northwestern would have taught you to do some actual historical research before writing such a confident article about “frivolous” lawsuits. It is not the fault of persons like me that the political and legal systems have failed the
American public on this issue.

He did, release his college records, but I would imaginie that you referring to his actual undergraduate college coursework, term-paper and the like.

and nobody else has released coursework, so what's the point and besides that we known that this President was in the top of his class, and the Editor of the Harvard Law Review where he was well respected by both conservative and progressive contributors alike by the way.

Funny how we harp on Obama's failure to appease your unjust cynicism of his credentials, when we know full well John McCain was kicked out for failing grades, only to be reinstated against policy, likely due to his family's long legacy at the Academy and still ended up at the bottom of his class, but failure on his part is acceptable, and reasonable huh?

I wonder why?

For those of you whinebags who keep yacking about Obama to show his birthcertificate, HE ALLREADY DID! You freaking idiots! Pull your heads out of your damn asses!

The only part of your whole post that makes sense is where you said Osama isn't qualified to be President. I agree. But no one has yet suggested making Osama bin Laden President. He has a better chance in 2012 than any Republican, but that is to say he has zero chance.

President Barack Hussein Obama will be President until the end of his second term.

Your post shows that you have no logical skills. President Obama HAS a passport. That means he has satisfied ALL requirements of proving that he is who he says he is, including without limitation producing a birth certificate.

It HAS been provided, and is easily available online. But you aren't one to let facts get in the way of your argument, are you? Tell me, when John McCain had to take the microphone away from you, just how silly did you feel for saying President Obama is an “Arab?”

For those who are new to American history and politics, being Black has always been seen as alien and suspect. As long as Barack Obama is a Black man, with a Black wife, there will be some scheme or another by people who are incensed that he is in power. These people are unable or unwilling to express the true reason for their hatred and disdain, so they resort to nonsense.

In my opinion, cook is a self serving over the hill loser.

yep.

Yes, that is precisely what the British authorities were saying about my ancestors back in 1776.

Don't Tread On Me! A$$HOLE!!

How many times does it need to be produced and authenticated by the State of Hawaii to be accepted as evidence, that's the question. If Obama weren't black, would hundreds of people and half a dozen talk show hosts be questioning his birth? Do you doubt his age so that Hawaii wasn't a state when he was born? I just don't get it.

Not only that, a true citizen would have better things to do with their time than to make up phony accusations against the President of the United States. This is about as unAmerican as it gets, imho, since President Obama was duly elected by a majority of voters, not to mention his landslide in the Electoral College.

the birther bill… another jim crow law wrapped up in a pretty red-white-and-blue bow

So you are saying that since Obama has had a PassPort since he was a young boy that he does have a legal American Birth Certificate. Thank you.

this country started to go to hell when that senile old man reagan took over in 80

Does anyone mind that Rush Limbaugh is a love child of Herman Goering? Take a look at Goering's photo and then Rush Limbaugh photo. You can see that they are related and both
Goering and Limbaugh have the same body styles…obese. Both smoked cigars….both share Fascist views.

America is the greatest country in the world. Do you want me to believe that Dick Cheney, Fox News, Rush, Hannity, Beck, Dobbs, O’Reily CIA, FBI, DEA, Homeland Security, US Congress, and Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts cannot verify that President Obama is a US CITIZEN?

President Obama is my President.

GOP: The party of religious zealots, tin-foil-hat nutjobs, skinheads, gun nuts, racists, hypocritical adulterers and perverts, crazies and dullards. Thanks, but NO THANKS!

Are you really this immature? Osama? Really? This is why conservatives are no longer taken seriously?

Only this president is asked for a BC, where was a noise when it Bush or Reagan, backhanded racist nonsense. I would hope our elected officials have more important things to do, what a bunch of morons.

HusseinO: just showes how little you know

indeed

Believe it or not I am sixty years old, born in New York city and I have an old black and white photocopy of my birth certificate. It even has a C on it which stands for colored. Back in the day coloured birth certificates were filed separately, in a different place. It is the copy my mother applied for and received in 1948 just before we left New York. My mother always used it for me when she had to verify my birth etc. and then she gave it to me to use when I turned 21. My mother was an organization buff and I guess so am I that's why I still have the original with signatures. It's a keepsake now, because it's no longer considered valid. I had to apply to New York for a new copy of my birth certificate to use to get my passport 2 years ago. The new one has almost no information on it, just certifies that I was born in New York in 1948, but it's considered valid and the original is not, go figure.

They lost, get over it. At least he won the popular vote and the electoral vote and didn't have to voted in by a corrupt supreme court.

Why don't you move to Uganda then? You'll be much happier there I'm sure. Not a all like Alabama (well, some parts of it). You'll find some of the local evangelists there to be quite different for sure. They spend most of their time trying to persuade the locals not to chop each other up with machetes in tribal warfare. (In the name of Christ of course.) Do you have your birth certificate ready for the passport people? B-bye now.

In reading the other comments below, I note that most people are focusing on the idea that surely Congress checked Obama's credentials before allowing him to run. That is the puzzle in this mess. There is nothing explicit in the Constitution that requires verification of the President's birth; rather it is only stated that the President must be a “natural-born Citizen”. In the smaller world of our founding fathers where everyone of importance knew everyone else, confirming citizenship was probably not required. People were born at home and the townsfolk knew very well who was born to whom. Today circumstances are more complex. I suggest that because Obama's mother was American, most people therefore assumed he would be as well. Furthermore, the race-card was probably very subtlely played here—who would dare to question the rights of a black candidate? This is not to say that Obama is not a deserving candidate who loves his country—he probably is. But the law is the law and the Constitution is inviolate and forms the basis of every legal decision made by the Supreme Court. Hence violating this law is an impeachable offense if there ever was one. Governor Shwarzenegger of California, born Austrian, knows this since he too has had Presidential ambitions. The question now becomes how to manoeuver our way out of this crisis. That is a troubling question……

Here's my comment — http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Refute that.

All I needed to join the Navy, get my passport, and apply for my security clearances, was the computer-generated copy I sent for issued by the state of New York. I am not much younger than you, so there you go. Get over it and get a life, already.

All I needed to join the Navy, get my passport, and apply for my security clearances, was the computer-generated copy I sent for issued by the state of New York. I am not much younger than you, so there you go. Get over it and get a life, already.

I don't think the birthers believe that PRESIDENT OBAMA is not a citizen. I think that they can't just come out and say that they hate Ni@&%*'s, so what they are trying to do is make it as difficult on PRESIDENT OBAMA as they possibly can. They do this in order to make the next non white think twice before running for President. But, those pieces of garbage will not win. Racists take heed because your time is up. What you are doing is going to be synonymous with Custer's last stand. You are all Trash!!!!!

I don't think the birthers believe that PRESIDENT OBAMA is not a citizen. I think that they can't just come out and say that they hate Ni@&%*'s, so what they are trying to do is make it as difficult on PRESIDENT OBAMA as they possibly can. They do this in order to make the next non white think twice before running for President. But, those pieces of garbage will not win. Racists take heed because your time is up. What you are doing is going to be synonymous with Custer's last stand. You are all Trash!!!!!

I don't think the birthers believe that PRESIDENT OBAMA is not a citizen. I think that they can't just come out and say that they hate Ni@&%*'s, so what they are trying to do is make it as difficult on PRESIDENT OBAMA as they possibly can. They do this in order to make the next non white think twice before running for President. But, those pieces of garbage will not win. Racists take heed because your time is up. What you are doing is going to be synonymous with Custer's last stand. You are all Trash!!!!!

Here's a question for Dave Weigel: is he accusing Janice Okubo of committing a crime? Because, if she did verify anything relating to Obama's private information, then she's broken Hawaiian state law. Here's their statute against revealing private information.

Is Weigel accusing her of breaking that law?

Either that, or Weigel is trying to mislead again. If she didn't break the law, then she didn't verify the certificate that's pictured on Obama's site. In other words, we're back to square one: there's no guarantee that what's shown on Obama's site matches what HI has on file.

If you want the truth about this issue – no speculation, no tinfoil hat talk, and no attempts to mislead such as Weigel engages in – see my completely fact-based overview.

Uh…well, neat that you couch this bilious argument is such a calm and faux-educated fashion, (in much the same style Dick Cheney presents bs as fact). Last I heard, Hawaii was part of the US when Obama was BORN THERE, as the state of Hawaii as consistently affirmed he was. Nor is there any actual issue of the court having “doubts” bearing any legal weight – it does not. People born in the US are natural born Americans. Period. Nice try though.

I hate 'birthers' with a passion!!!!!!!!!!

How dare they try to take our wonderful president away from us!!!!!!!

I hate 'birthers' with a passion!!!!!!!!!!

How dare they try to take our wonderful president away from us!!!!!!!

I hate 'birthers' with a passion!!!!!!!!!!

How dare they try to take our wonderful president away from us!!!!!!!

If he has his passport, then he shouldn't have any trouble producing the document.

The face of America is changing and these sad people can't handle the change. President Obama has us looking into our souls for change and there are those who only understand power and money. And because so many Americans are willing to take a chance on something different, the powers that be are trying to destroy the man who offered us the opportunity. It's too bad that those who know better, are willing to prostitute their integrity in order to maintain their status quo in American government. Nothing the President has said or done justifies this. Only the color of his skin. Shame on us for allowing this garbage to become mainstream news.

“How many times does it need to be produced “

Once would be great!

Oh, and we just want to see if it said “negro” which would have been the right term at that time or if it said “African” which is something that has been cooked up by liberals in recent years.

HAHAHAHA

It's fun watching right wingnut heads explode.

He's a Muslim too…..and the White House is heated with a furnace full of aborted fetuses….but only the white ones….

LOLOLOL

Bingo, that's the main issue. Hawaii has verified his place of birth, over and over again, and the birthers won't accept because they won't accept that they lost to a black man. The seething hatred and denial are all you need to realize what's happening.

The 'birthers' are a little group of nut jobs which just proves that there are as many or more basket weavers running around loose as there are in confinement.

Oh, that was eloquent!

“I suggest that because Obama's mother was American, most people therefore assumed he would be as well.”

Wow. My head hurts. For a minute there it sounded like you were making sense. Because that's the law. President Obama's mother was American. He could have been born on the polar ice cap. He's American.

And let's see, what else did you say? Oh yeah — “who would dare to question the rights of a black candidate?” Hmmm. I will answer that for you since you seem to have forgotten the entire general election campaign. Answer: The Republican Party.

Or did you forget all those ads about Ayers, the stupid birth certificate lawsuit, and the parade of non-sense the GOP subjected us to? The birth certificate thing was dealt with explicitly during the campaign. Even World Net Daily said the b.c. is legitimate.

You're just embarrassing yourself and scaring Democrats into donating to the President's re-election campaign.

A lot of these Republicans began as innocent feces as well.

Right. His white American mother went to Kenya on an AIRPLANE at FULL TERM (not allowed in those days) to have a baby, never having been there before nor had she established a patient relationship with any doctor) either during or right after the Mau Mau Rebellion. LOL Sure. I would too! AS IF!!!!

What I don't understand in all of this is: There is no dispute that Obama's mother is an American citizen. Even if she had given birth overseas, which she didn't, but even if she had, when an American citizen gives birth overseas, isn't that child automatically an American citizen? If I give birth in England, the baby I bring back to the US is an American citizen.
Sigh. It doesn't matter. I know conspiracy theorists only use facts as fuel to further their conspiracies.

His mother was a citizen; therefore, he is a citizen. That's all there is to it.

Why are they too stupid to get this?

There's no satisfying Fascists

This ole WW2vet cannot believe how dumb some who are in this US government are, Obama should make millions of copys of his birth certificate , autograph them and put them on sale for another term of his presidency. So keep it up you dumb repugs !!!!!!

It's like the “Whitewater” investigation without the land, the loans, the money, the 'official' investigation or any end in sight or an honest conclusion even desired. It is the corporate think tank plan and the paid for media's repeat of the big lie that counts when deliberately deceiving the American public.

I should feel sorry for you. President Obama HAS given them his birth certificate. Look. I have to enroll my child in middle school and they need the original. Well guess what? I can't put my hands on it so I will go a get a certified copy of it. That is just as good as the one that the hospital presented to me on the date of my child's birth. If I had to present MY original birth certificate, I would not be able to because it was generated over 50 years ago. You and others like you need to find a island to go live on and stay there. If the did not believe he was a REAL U.S. CITIZEN then he would not have been able to run.

The governer of California could never run for a United States Office because – GUESS WHAT? He is not a U.S. born citizen. So what makes you think they are going to ignore that in order to let the POTUS be in his position? You idiots need to go away.

What will happen when every person has a DNA test and all birth information is made public and all children can go after their biological parent and sue them for abandonment of parental responsibility? Be careful that these accusations don't come back to bite you!

I hope this news makes it big time. When they realize that Obama is really a citizen and everyone hears about this ridiculous fiasco that party is going to just fade away. PLEASE FADE AWAY REPUBLICANS…keep talking the trash so we can through you out.

“Shame on us for allowing this garbage to become mainstream news.”

What mainsteam news has it entered. They are all a-hush over it. The last thing they want is for it to spill over into TV land. It has already gone viral on the net and the rest of the world is amazed that nothing has been done to find out the truth in the matter. Oh, and most of the people of Kenya believe Obama was born in Mombasa, just as his step-grandmother Sarah stated.

I say, let the birthers have free reign to pursue this hoax as far as they like, and in return let's have a full bore investigation of the Bush gang's crimes. Sound fair?

Oh no! Not a HATER!

He is taking himself away from you by refusing to come clean on his own.

But Katie, don't you see? That's just what they WANT you to believe. It really turns out that his mother isn't Stanley. All the real paperwork was intentionally destroyed. And then President Obama had to fly to Hawaii to murder this Stanley person before she could spill the beans about the secret that the entire state of Hawaii had for some reason been keeping for 47 years up until that moment.

All this had somehow gone unnoticed when President Obama was running for prior public office. Don't ask me how. I'm pulling sh*t outta my @ss as fast as I can just to get this far…

Geez, being a conspiracy theorist is easy. Facts that don't support the conspiracy just go to show HOW DEEP AND PERVASIVE the conspiracy really is!!!!

I dunno. Maybe Hawaii isn't white enough for them so they don't consider it a State? Could be. It's a mystery to me how anyone could be this willfully ignorant.

McCain was born in Panama and the Dems took him to court to make him prove that he was born to two American citizens so your remark is nonoperative.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

Read the comments by all the eminent lawyers talking about how unclear the law is. McCain produced his documentation. Why does the same law not apply to Obama?

It wouldn't even matter where his mother was when she gave birth. She was American. Her children would be Americans. The end.

It wouldn't even matter where his mother was when she gave birth. She was American. Her children would be Americans. The end.

I wish these birthers truly understood what a “Certified Copy of a Live Birth” really is.

Original documents are NEVER, EVER, EVER released from any Country Registrar's office. Instead, all they can release is what they call a document that “Certifies” that there is on file with the Registrar's office an official birth or death announcement.

Obama would not have a valid passport without that original birth being on record. Idiots. Pure, gullible idiots to believe this stuff when FactCheck.Org (a right-leaning group btw) has dismissed this whole charade.

Fox News, et al has managed to make a whole lot of people paranoid and this paranoia is so close to what certain elements in Germany were doing before WW2.

The truth is that there are plenty of people in this here United States who to this day do not recognize a black man as anything but 3/5's a human being. Case-in-point…. my mother and father-in-law are still caught up with family losses from the Civil War.

Obama is half black and was raised by white people after his black father abandoned him. You can look it up.

Why does this even matter?

His mother is from Kansas. She is an American citizen. That makes her children American citizens. Are birthers saying that a Mexican woman can come into this country and give birth to an Amercian citizen, but a girl from Kansas cannot?

Are they saying that because his father had British citizenship, that trumps the mother's birthright? Do the birthers know of a little thing called “The Revolutionary War” where we severed ties with England?

“Furthermore, the race-card was probably very subtlely played here—who would dare to question the rights of a black candidate?”

I would imagine the “—who would dare to question the rights of a black candidate?” line was an attempt at sarcasm right

who would illegitimately question the birth state of a black candidate? Well I'll take a swing…

Those who exist in the same ideological echo chamber as the unconfirmed SCOTUS nominee with a history of racist slurs who just happens to head the opposition's assault of a latina Judge with a 17 year history of unbias decisions following the letter of the law.

Ridiculousness, yeah the state of Hawaii knew some 40 years ago that this child would run for the Presidency one day in 2008 right?

Say that in the mirror a few times, and see if Lee Atwater appears as you reflection.

Question:
What do Rush Limbaugh and god have in common?
Answer: Neither served in the military in spite of being physically fit.
Oh. Excuse me. There's that little matter of Rush being excused from the draft because of a boil on his a$$. The jury's still out on weather or not Jesus has a similar malady.

They have already released copies of his “Certified Copy of Live Birth” and that's all anyone is ever going to see.

Hey Wellread1, I appreciate this well put 2gether post. Very articulate. But if you really think Obama's citizenship is in at all questionable after 1 and a half years of the Clinton's digging and another year or so of the entire Republican Party digging, along with the US vetting process. You and this whole Birther movement are doing nothing but grasping at straws and look more and more fringe.

And your point is…

Stefan Frederick Cook case questing President Obama Citizenship was dismisses by a Federal Judge on Thursday.
With all the problems Americans are struggling with today the Republicans has nothing better to do than question the
Birth Certificate of the President Obama six month into his Presidency, this is some kind of sick what must the World
think of this country.

SO let me get this straight….we are somehow someway suppose to believe you instead of the whole government of Hawaii? Who are you? Where did you go to college? Why should we believe anything that comes out of your mouth? Come on retard you have some splanin to do

Oh NO! Not another HATER!

He is taking HIMSELF away from you with every deception he continues.

What you people dont understand, is ALL this would go away if he simply showed the damn Birth Certificate.
I see many of you liberals want to pounce on those asking him show it. Excuse me but common sense says end the speculation by showing it. If he does indeed have the stupid thing, then doesnt it make you wonder why he has yet to show it? Why is he fighting it if there is nothing to hide?

Some of you are so damn quick to pounce on anyone who dares question your saviour, you fail to see the common sense in all of this. Let me break it down one more time for you that are apparently really really slow.
IF OBAMA WOULD STOP FIGHTING IT AND JUST SHOW THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE….ALL THIS GOES AWAY.
There, you get it now?!

Really? Then how did we all get to see this? http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/bi…

Nutballs all of em!

Dorothy: Wow, I'm glad we're not in Kansas anymore, Toto!

Toto: Me, too! I'VE got more brains than this a$$h@t!!

You've never read the Constitution, have you?

I have a question, does anyone work anymore? I'm having trouble understanding why people are debating this topic. The birthers are not interested in the facts, they want one thing, the removal of a president by any means. They can not accept that Americans elected Obama. Their tactics of voter intimidation and manipulation didn't work this time and they are mad as hell. They are not crazy they have an agenda. First try to delegitimize him, he isn't really an American. Next demonise him, marxist-socialist, Antichrist. Then if they can't impeach him try to overthrow him, good luck with that. Look at how they responded to the coup in Guatemala, it's ok if he is a marxist. When these tactics don't work assassinate him, actually i think this was their first choice. Luckily for us Obama has excellent security. Because they can't get to him they go after “liberals” like the people in church and the police officers who were murdered. Call these people what they really are, traitors, cowards, terrorists.

Amen!

Bi-Racial White and African, but I get your point

He showed it online and you STILL ain't buyin' it!! So, WGAS what you tinfoil hat wearin' buffoons think!

Once AGAIN!!!!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Um, im not running for President. If you are wanting the job as President, most of your privacy ends or should end. The American people should know as much about you as humanly possible.
Strangely enough, many of Obama's past record were sealed. Like I said before, if you want this to end, simply show the Birth Certificate. That is all he has to do. I dont know if he has it or not but it sure makes you wonder why he has refused to release it for at least a year now.

Point taken. They come from a dark place, go to a dark place, then keep digging. Can it all be pure racism? Racists unite with conspiracy theorists, each unhinged in their own way, to produce a staggeringly dishonest campaign to….what?
In the end, it all stems from an effort to turn away from the real dangers that society faces. That's my best take on it. And it only serves to further the same purpose: it keeps them – and others – from confronting the real dangers that society faces.
Maybe that's the real danger of it?

I'm sorry GOP. Try as you may but you will never convince me that government doesn't work. You will never get my cynical or hateful vote, especially when it is you who is, with unprecedented desperation, trying to stop government from working, trying to plant cynicism in the hearts and minds of the American people, and are promoting hatred and xenophobia in a most fragile time in our nation's history.

Shame.

Obama's mother. American citizen. Child born to American citizen is American. End of story.
Me thinks Randwulf and his ilk need to go back to McGuffey's Reader or the tales of Dick & Jane. If they study the text really hard, maybe they will learn how to read.

I carry a copy and have committed much of it to memory. JohnQ is correct. Born on US soil = Natural-Born Citizen.

I say let them have free reign to pursue the hoax, as long as they guarantee to get themselves news coverage.

It's the best advertising Democrats could buy. Republicans are 20% of the country, and less than 5% of Republicans believe any of this birther nonsense.

NONE of the rest of the country believes it. They instead see it as the death throes of racists who cannot accept that the President is black.

It would be very difficult, and very expensive, for Democrats to make political ads that trash the opposing party's stupidest-yet-most-vocal element. But the birthers are doing it for free.

More to the point, every day one of these clowns is on television, every day that Ensign/Sanford/Vitter do not step down for adultery even though they all demanded that Clinton step down, is a day when Republicans cannot claim to be the party of morals, family values, decency, or respect.

And aren't Republicans always up in arms about showing deference to the Commander in Chief during a time of war? Haven't we been at war since before President Obama took office? Doesn't that mean that these birthers and the Congressmen who enable them are showing an inexcusable lack of respect for our supreme commander at wartime, when hundreds of thousands of our best soldiers are in harm's way?

I really want to see these dolts insult our President to his face, or in front of the military that is HONORED to serve under his command.

You know, I really despised President Bush. I could not think of one policy he had that I liked. But once the Supreme Court installed him in office, I never doubted that he's our President or that as such he is entitled to a generous measure of my respect. I was taught that you respect the uniform if not the man wearing it.

The right-wing crowd is always so gung-ho about the rule of law and respect for the military and unitary executive this and that. Turns out it's all just hot air from them. Big surprise.

That WAS NOT his Birth Certificate. That has been proven over and over again. A certificate of live birth is easily attainable even if you werent born where said live birth certificate says.
Show the real certificate and it all goes away. It is that damn simple.

Don’t you know he’s a Black Gay Muslim Terrorist who yearns to live in San Francisco someday, is a direct descendent of Hitler (on his mothers side) stills pals around with terrorist (he did recently meet with George Bush) and can see North Korea from his house, which is a good thing because he’ll be able to help his friend Kim Jung ILL guide the missiles in to help America become free from the capitalist stronghold. I don’t know about you but this guy scares me.

No the other hand being a Gay Muslim he may not have time for all of the above as he is probably tied up (and I don’t mean that in a sexual way) with redecorating the Whitehouse not to mention prayer 5 times a day. It’s all about color.

Did I mention he’s not a citizen.

How has he not come clean? The state of Hawai'i has produced the birth certificate. Did you read the article?

WHERE IS YOURS? SHOW YOURS HOW DO WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE EVEN HUMAN?

Some of you are so damn quick to pounce on anyone who dares question your saviour, you fail to see the common sense in all of this. Let me break it down one more time for you that are apparently really really slow.
IF OBAMA WOULD STOP FIGHTING IT AND JUST SHOW THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE….ALL THIS GOES AWAY.
There, you get it now?!

If he has it great, then the people who question it can move on. If he doesnt then there is a problem and it needs to be looked at. I dont know if he has it or not but common sense tells me if he's put a a fight for a year now in refusing to show it or address it, it kinda makes you wonder why.

Go back to your TV inspired lunacies. Blame it on Fox. Blame it on the NAZIS. Blame it on the 3/5ths compromise.. And for God's sake, get over the Un-Civil War.

I believe the president could probably get a good photocopy released or arrange for the original to be examined by some unbiased third party examiners of several of them, if he weren't afraid to show it. There should be a long form there in the file. Or not.

Many states release photocopies of the original long form on request.

Minus all the BOLD FACE yelling, the same question could be put to any citizen of the USA, especially those who were born at home. How can we trust that hospitals are telling the truth…blah blah blah.

As you and those like you are so sure that President Obama was born elsewhere…go find the THAT PROOF!

As for all the legislative efforts….a waste of taxpayers dollars! But someone is making money off of all this…are you? Who is paying for the lawsuits…as we know that lawyers rarely really work for free.

What in your opinion would be the real Brith Cert? What would satisfy you?

It is a fake and no real one exists. So I guess you are right.

the only people speculating are morons, bifers make up like .00007% of the population. no one cares what you think, dig? we are laughing at you. all of us. also, glad to see you see you are a member of the CAPZ LOCK POSSE!!!

McCain was born is Panama.
What's your fricking point?
You rethugs, you bunch of ignorant fat-ass Dopes,. How about bombing some abortion clinics or killing innocent Doctors for fun?
Haven't you done enough damage in the name of religious Christian republican family values such as racism, hate, greed, bigotry and intolerance?
After all it's what Jesus would “never” do.

Wow. Took you like, 6 hours to come up with a crazy accusation and yet you still have nothing to rebut the facts in this article. Face it, you've wasted large amounts of time on a complete fantasy.

Wow. Took you like, 6 hours to come up with a crazy accusation and yet you still have nothing to rebut the facts in this article. Face it, you've wasted large amounts of time on a complete fantasy.

Still waiting to see yours idiot

Youre an idiot. The only agenda is to find out if he indeed has a birth certificate. Thats all. If he has it, show it and its all done with.

I realize you look to Obama as your King but he's no king and hes no saviour.

How many Birth Cert dose he need to show you before you'll believe he a US citizen?

In his autobiography, “Dreams…”, 0bama claimed to have found a copy of his original BC while still in high school. He says he has it, so why doesn't he release it?

why would anyone want this sideshow to go away? any lawyers working for obama are doing it pro bono and it keeps you goofballs busy instead of getting out there and causing real trouble. plus, for most of america, you folks are hilarious!

also, please, more CAPZ LOCK!

SEALED?? PROVE IT OR STFU

[...] is why no one takes you dumb shits seriously. This is why we have a one party system. Ten Members of Congress Sign on to Presidential Birth Certificate Bill [...]

You just said that.

… and the Army got him fired from his civilian job in the defense contracting industry because the Army said that the former Major is not longer allowed on any military installation (kookiness is a security risk, after all). So, the military is not backing the Major's claim, in fact the opposite is true, although this fact, along with all the other facts, don't seem to bother the right wing wingnuts.

His real birth certificate. Thats it. I dont understand what the issue is. He can either show it and all of this goes away, or continue to fight it and the law suits will pile up. Why is he making it so hard?

I have no theory if he was born in Hawaii or not but the fight and refusal he is putting up makes me wonder.

You know, all this may be the reason they haven't found a church since being in office. It may just be considered too dangerous. Between “good” church people stumping for his failure and other terrible things to happen to him and the fact that church isn't safe (reference Dr. Tiller), they may have decided just to hang up going until he's through being President. I wouldn't blame him. I wouldn't blame any of them.

You know, all this may be the reason they haven't found a church since being in office. It may just be considered too dangerous. Between “good” church people stumping for his failure and other terrible things to happen to him and the fact that church isn't safe (reference Dr. Tiller), they may have decided just to hang up going until he's through being President. I wouldn't blame him. I wouldn't blame any of them.

PROVE IT OR STFU TROLL

Here it is: http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/bi…

Now, please stop saying he hasn't shown it. You have seen it with your own eyes if you clicked on this link. Also, I recommend reading Dreams From My Father. It explains all about his background and was written long before he had decided on a political career.

Did you read the article chuckj? Did you see the link? Did you click on it? Did you see the birth certificate? Will you be satisfied with it? I'll bet you won't.

He hasn't “refused”. His campaign put the actually picture of the birth certificate on the internet. What do you people want? I know, I know … the moon landings didn't happen either. They too were staged. You people are idiots.

He's half black, his father was Muslim, he MUST BE A FOREIGNER. The greatest thing about Obama's presidency is how pissed it makes you racists.

Are you seriously blowing smoke over a joke with questionably bad taste? The hypocrisy is astounding. Where were you when Letterman joked about Alex Rodriguez knocking up Sarah Palin's daughter? Or Wanda Sykes wishing that Limbaugh's kidneys would fail? Talk about “bad taste.” The double-talk from the Huffington Post is outright ridiculous. The same people who blasted Republicans for caring about the fact that Bill Clinton had multiple affairs while in the Oval Office are now showcasing every Republican who ahs an affair. Which is it? Are they just jokes or are they bad taste? You can't decide what is right depending on who said it about whom.

i don't know where you have been living chuckj but that issue isn't even an issue anymore.
don't you have anything with substance? have you already finished reading the national
enquirer and have nothing else to whine about? this is a non-issue and the fact that for some reason you wish to evade reality is your issue. so nobody i know regards our president as
anyone other than a man (except you) and as far as most of America? you are just a loser
and have some real profound mental issues…bet you temper is quick to ignite and nobody around you is right but you…
yep…
THERE, YOU GET IT NOW??

you are a loser.

Please cite exact sources in detail before talking general crap. Specifically name the records that are sealed and the research you have done (besides listen to Fox or talk radio) to confirm the sealing.

I'll wait.

JDC
http://democracyhypocrisy.blogspot.com/

Please cite exact sources in detail before talking general crap. Specifically name the records that are sealed and the research you have done (besides listen to Fox or talk radio) to confirm the sealing.

I'll wait.

JDC
http://democracyhypocrisy.blogspot.com/

Yes, but do you understand it? And who said he was born on US soil? Hell, Obama himself can't even get it straight which hospital he claims to have been born in. Maybe he needs to get a copy of his long form and read it himself. You know, so he can try to keep it straight. Kapi'olani or Queens? Which is it?

These guys are just tin foil on the windows, knuckle dragging freaks!!! Why don't they just wear their hoods and come out of the closet!!!
Hey Whips… I mean Republicans, you lost, your out of touch. Your experiment for the last 30 years failed. This country is in deep crap because of your policies and beliefs.
Go away!! This country has had enough of you!!!

Here's the birth certificate: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

Now, please stop asking for the same thing over and over again. It just makes you like silly and mean-spirited.

Wow. From the side that preaches tolerance comes folks like you Richmonk. You are among the many hypocrits on the left. Seems to me, youve got some issues with anger and hate. Might want to get that checked out.
McCain's family was also in the military and apart of the military when that birth occurred. Oh and the democrats made sure McCain had to prove all that, yet when something simple is asked of your saviour, people like you get offended and angry.
See, I can have a conversation without being hateful and angry. Why cant you? You mustve been among the many liberals that showed nothing but absolute hate for our previous President, yet here you are spewing this garbage.

Here is your typical liberal argument…you sound like my college professors, Richmonk, and not the smart ones.

Here it is: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

Now please stop! This is really getting old.

dz, they put up a picture of a Certificate of Live Birth. Not his birth certificate. If he had indeed showed his real birth certificate, there would not be any law suits.

MAKES ME WONDER HOW THE HELL YOU TIE YOUR SHOES….OR DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT SHOES ARE?

I challenge any 'birther' to produce their original birth certificate. To acquire an U.S. Passport, you must should your birth certificate. Every state that I know of will provide you with a 'certified' copy of your birth certificate, but you'll never see nor touch the original.

I challenge any 'birther' to produce their original birth certificate. To acquire an U.S. Passport, you must should your birth certificate. Every state that I know of will provide you with a 'certified' copy of your birth certificate, but you'll never see nor touch the original.

OOH! OOH! AAH! AAH! TUKI! TuKI!

I think it has become somewhat dangerous to make statements like this. Rachel Maddow did a good segment on it a while back which I am too lazy to look for, but you should check it out. Her point was that, it is dangerous when a swath of people believe that the President is illegitimate. It is the kind of hostile, not-so-subtly racist belief that can lead to crazy fringe group violence.

As a matter of fact, I think im reporting your comment Richmonk. Save your bigot, hypocritical hate for some where else.

As a life-long progressive, I applaud the “birther” movement, the Tea Parties, the Sex Scandals, the C-Street Scandals, the hiking of the Appalachian Trail, the mindboggling resignations and the speeches that go with them, the Minutemen, the Ricky Ricardo comments to our next Supreme Court justice, the racist mailings, the racist E-mails, and CD's with racist parody songs and the efforts to ban timeless classics.

Keep it up. You might get the White House back again in 2112. Maybe.

As if cynicism towards government is such a bad thing. Try reading any single document of the Founding Fathers (like, maybe the COnstitution to start) and you will undoubtedly see that cynicism towards government is what this great nation was founded on. Not a heavy reliance on the nanny state to make sure you don't fall down and scratch your knee without anyone to sue.

Did the F.B.I NOT DUE A BACKGROUND CHECK FOR A SECURITY CLEARENCE FOR PRES, OBAMA? HOW DUMB ARE THE R?

Laugh away! See you at the insurrection! Got Ammo?

This Orly Taitz person who financed the reservist who volunteered to serve in Afghanistan only to then say he couldn't go because Obama is not an American? She's a Russian-born dentist-lawyer who lives in Orange County, CA. Who cares a lot about American democracy, because she says she doesn't want to see the same abuses happen here that happened in the old Soviet Union.
So she's using propaganda and disinformation to promote a rabid and dishonest hate campaign against the first black president.
Makes complete sense to me.

Hello, I”m a “birther” and I have serious mental problems. I only trust the government that I voted for and all my allegiances to my country are contingent on getting what I want. I think the earth is 6000 years old, that humans hand-fed dinosaurs and that the “Flintstones” is a documentary. Why won't anyone take me seriously?

Hey, your cap lock is on.

Another blind Obama worshiper who has NO idea what the Constitution says (or perhaps even what it is).

kobach is a loser just like the republican party.
get over it people, something should be ringing in your ears right now like
“hey…we lost, must be that we have the wrong idea about Americans…
they don't like our principles…”

like, duh…

they will never get it.

Why do I let myself continue to be surprised about that amount of hate from liberals. I mean seriously, look at these comments. All from the side the touts 'tolerance', equality, etc etc etc.

There would be no issue here is he showed his BIRTH CERTIFICATE and not a easily attainable Certificate of Live Birth. The matter would have been put to rest by now. Some men in the miliary have refused to take any orders for deployment until a birth certificate is shown. They have every right to do so. So please, Mr. Obama, just show your damn birth certificate! WHy is that so damn hard?

The law says:

“If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at
the time of ones birth, that parent must have resided in the United States
for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.”

O's mother was only 18 and does not meet this test. She did not and can not pass her citizenship to her son. Sorry you don't like how the law is written.

Thank you so much for your words. I agree with you.

Thank you so much for your words. I agree with you.

What you mistake for being “offended and angry” is my wishing you would either fix the economy, get millions their jobs back, fix the Middle East, fix Wall Street, fix my 401K or STFU already.

We have bigger issues ahead of us, and you are content to just sit there and throw stones from the sandbox. Enough already. Admit that you don't like him because he doesn't look like you and be done with it already.

I haven't seen a birther movement develope around McCain, but I don't watch Fox (fair and balanced) News.

Love how you always roll out the lack of tolerance from the Left right before you spew your ugliness.

Here is one for you – love how you repubs always roll out the family values and sanctity of marriage…
Then your leaders get caught with their dicks in the wrong places.

JDC
http://democracyhypocrisy.blogspot.com/

chuckj – did you know that none of us can show our “real birth certificate”. The only thing any of us can get are “certified copies”. Real birth certificates are kept somewhere safe in a county clerk's office.

Tell you what – go down to the county where you were born and ask to see your “real birth certificate”. Let us know what happens.

I simply believe Obama is hiding and this is why he has sealed off all of his records. I have asked myself so many times, WHO IS THIS MAN? No one can tell me. My next question is, why or what is he hiding? I would show my birth certificate as needed. I DONT have nothing to hide.
Whats the problem? What is he hiding?
This is a very simple request and Obama still refuses to show us all. Obama can end it by showing the long birth certificate, but wont. This tells me and many others he is lieing.
He was born in Mombasa, Kenya. He used the name of Barry Soetoro to go to school. WHO IS THIS MAN? And by the way, now when did he have his name changed? Every one knew him as Barry tell when?
kwiley9711

Some crackers just can't handle a black president.

Drives them crazy. Literally.

Simple as that.

What I dont understand, if you liberals are 100 percent certain Obama is a born citizen and you dont have a problem with him not showing his Birth Certificate, why are you here complaining?

If some believe he should have to show it, that is their right. This man is the top man in the country. If people want proof of his citizenship so be it. Give them the proof, they shut up, end of story.

Mean while, your saviour is running up debt to disasterous records, continues to lie about transparency, has lobbyists all over DC, etc etc and you come here to complain, hate, and spew your typical garbage. Why all the hate? You control the White House. You control Congress. Why cant you liberals EVER be happy? LOL its sad but funny at the same time how some of you, the only thing you know is how to be angry and hate

i don't know about you but entertainers are not my compass for political matters.
if they determine who you like or dislike, well then that is your burden not mine.
for how many years has blimpbaugh the druggie, been slinging crap all over the airwaves?
way before clinton took office was this obese man sliming up the airwaves towards
who he hated so don't take no high road on this crap.
lots of entertainers make jokes in bad taste but they aren't making policy nor
do they determine who or whom i vote for.

get real akarmenia1

i don't know about you but entertainers are not my compass for political matters.
if they determine who you like or dislike, well then that is your burden not mine.
for how many years has blimpbaugh the druggie, been slinging crap all over the airwaves?
way before clinton took office was this obese man sliming up the airwaves towards
who he hated so don't take no high road on this crap.
lots of entertainers make jokes in bad taste but they aren't making policy nor
do they determine who or whom i vote for.

get real akarmenia1

i don't know about you but entertainers are not my compass for political matters.
if they determine who you like or dislike, well then that is your burden not mine.
for how many years has blimpbaugh the druggie, been slinging crap all over the airwaves?
way before clinton took office was this obese man sliming up the airwaves towards
who he hated so don't take no high road on this crap.
lots of entertainers make jokes in bad taste but they aren't making policy nor
do they determine who or whom i vote for.

get real akarmenia1

If a Mexican Citizen who is in this country illegally, give birth that child is automatically a US citizen. It doesn’t matter about the status of the parents. Get your facts straight.

It looks like you haven't read the article. Obama has shown his birth certificate – he even posted it on the Internet last year. Take a look:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.h…

The people who think he doesn't have a birth certificate are so blinded by their racism and hatred, that they simply ignore the fact that Obama – certifiably and undeniably – has one. The state of Hawaii has already proven this beyond any reasonable doubt.

That is a different circumstance than this. Either way, that “law” needs to be changed. Whoever put that in place is a fool.

how many of these wingnut psychos would have or did vote for McCan't – you know, the guy who was PROVEN TO BE BORN IN PANAMA??????

Chuck how can you say with 100 percent certainty that he is no?

chuckj – please go down and read my comment below. No one can show a “real birth certificate” and for very good reason. They like to keep those things safe in the county clerk's office.

I can tell you this, however, if you ever got a passport or ran for office after 9/11/2001, you were subjected to amazingly stringent background checks. And given that it was the Bush Administration who would have handled those background checks – something tells me that they would have flagged Obama, if there had been a problem.

Really…read a book sometime…stop reinforcing the stereotype.

The Republicans just can't accept that the great majority of Americans just don't want them in charge. They have an accurate memory of what 8 years of Bush and the Republicans have done to their lives and to their standard of living. Personally, I believe both parties have overstayed their welcome. But the Republicans have been a bit more overbearing therefore they should go away first.

HE DID SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE YOU #^%%#$ MORON. DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE YOU NEO-CONFEDERATE SACK OF STUPID!

HE DID SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE YOU #^%%#$ MORON. DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE YOU NEO-CONFEDERATE SACK OF STUPID!

See, that is using logic and common sense. Youll realize soon that all the liberals here cant seem to understand that.

See, that is using logic and common sense. Youll realize soon that all the liberals here cant seem to understand that.

you are completely off the rails with any sense aka, republicans spent MILLIONS of taxpayer money investigating Clinton and trying to impeach him – NOT because they “cared” about maital fidelity, but because – as they have shown with an astounding clear light, that they are partisan witch hunters at their core.

SO, when those SAME rethuglicans who screamed for Clinton to resign over a marital infidelity are almost ALL shown to be committing marital infidelity, and bribing the mistress' families to shut up, etc etc OF COURSE it needs to be given AT LEAST the same amount of attention that Rethugs gave Clinton – that's just playing fair.

i know you can't handle that – you want Darth and Jr back in office so they can strip more rights away from citizens, allow more massive terror attacks to occur in the us (they were in charge of protecting us on 9/11 and they DID NOT) and all that dictatorial crap we suffered for 8 years.

sorry buddy, can fool all of the people some of the time, & some of the people all of the time, but not all of the people all of the time – oh yeah, you might want to teach Jr that phrase, since as the president and leader of the most powerful country in the world he couldn't even get through the first paranthetical phrase before screwing that up like he did this whole country.

Go get a NEW copy of your birth record from wherever you were born. It’ll look like Obama’s in most states. What he’s shared isn’t the original birth certificate, which would have the information you indicated, but a modern official document with verifiable security measures (such as special printing) that are less easily faked than the embossed stamp that they put on them back in the day. They also only include the information actually needed for legal documents such as passports, not all the extraneous but interesting stuff like the name of the doctor. The same thing happened with my Ohio birth record. I have an unofficial xerox of my original 1976 birth certificate, but I needed an official one a few years ago and went to get one. The one that I got from Cleveland City Hall looks a lot like Obama’s. Also, I have two children and their official state-issued ones look like the one Obama posted and the one I got as an official legal document – no mention of doctor, just date, time, my name and country of origin, father’s name and country of origin, city birth occurred, etc. Doesn’t even have birth weight from what I remember, only maybe 10 data points. However, both births I had a LOT more paperwork than that to fill out for them and I know more was submitted – you just have to request it apparently, it’s no longer on the legal document.

I seriously encourage all the Birthers to go get a new official copy of their birth records before they make total fools of themselves, so they can see what has changed since whenever the copies they’re used to seeing were issued. Some of this WILL vary by state and juristiction, but Obama’s birth certification is pretty typical of what’s being issued these days. I’m pretty sure he went and asked for a NEW printing of it from the official sources specifically to try to preempt the “it’s a forgery” stuff that the 1960s original would have suffered (since an older document would have been easier to fake, whereas the one he produced, the person who handled stuffing it in an envelope is probably still working there and can verify it’s authenticity).

Seriously. It’s OVER. You’re just making yourself like Tin Hat Fashionistas.

Interesting… all the rethuglicans who are clamoring for Obama's birth certificate didn't show any concern over the missing documentation proving George W. Bush actually showed up to finish his service in the National Guard. All those unanswered questions, with no real proof. No one could claim they saw him on duty, no documentation ever presented. In this case – there IS documentation.

In case you missed it, 24Ahead has refused to confirm the shape of the earth. He’s only seen pictures, and the earth won’t answer his calls.

GOP and right wingers, please spend as much time and energy on this ridiculous subject as you want. While the rest of us are trying to address issues like global climate change, social justice, energy independence and universal health care, you can fritter away your time chasing shadows.

The idea that Obama conspired from an early age to hide his place of birth in the hopes that he would one day be President is absurd on its face.

It's a fund raising ploy used to soak up money from the dim and the angry (an upcoming soap opera on Fox).

If you want to hang on to your irrational anger, do not click on this link. Warning!!!

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Knock yourselves out. At least this will keep the yahoos busy for a while.

Uh, chuckj. I was born in Columbus, Ohio and the certified copy of my birth certificate that was accepted to provide my passport, says across the top “Certificate of Live Birth”. No person that has a birth certificate on file can get the original. What does yours say?

Oh, one more thing. To get my children in school, I had to show thier birth certificate to. Now did he show the Barry or Obama, or can I call it DUAL CITIZEN? OOOPS!

Maj. Stefan F. Cook is a coward as is Hannity and Rush. In all faIrness Hannity could not get in to the service because of his mental condition and Rush dodged the draft and is now a drug addict.

I am not certain if he is or isnt. But after reading a little bit about it, it just makes sense to me perhaps to end all this, he should just show the long birth certificate. The real thing. Then all this stuff ends.
The only reason I began to question it was because for a year now, he has refused to do the simple, easy task of showing it. Now we have some military personnel who want to know if their Commander in Chief is legal. I think it's time he just show it and get it over with.

I havent seen McCain's birth certificate either, but it does not suggest that he does not have one. What it means is that I have not made the effort to the county of birth to verify. In other words, I am lazy and would like someone else to do the work for me.

I havent seen McCain's birth certificate either, but it does not suggest that he does not have one. What it means is that I have not made the effort to the county of birth to verify. In other words, I am lazy and would like someone else to do the work for me.

oh come now, your argumentation shows plainly you were home schooled – so i guess your “college professors” were showing you sesame street and those were the ones that were “smart” to you
Seriously, Jesus did not advocate MURDER and BOMBING and KILLING Dr's – like your group does – so you are, by definition, a complete hypocrit

Yo rip on republican closet hero Fred Phelps, god hates facts and fact enablers.

Here is proof that Obama has a published birth cert and that it is not a forgery: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

Here is proof that Obama is a US Citizen by definition:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Not that the facts matter. There are many bright republicans. After reading the comments on this board I'd state as fact that those intelligent republicans are not posting here.

Busted!

I just called Janice Okubo (the spokeswoman in the article), and she refused to confirm the impression that Weigel is trying to give.

If you trust Weigel's reporting, see the link.

I really do have to hand it to the Republicans, though – they manage to convince their base that Obama isn't a natural-born citizen, that their taxes are going up, that they should be afraid of the illegal immigrants next door…and the base eats it up like coney island hotdogs on July 4.

The things you should be outraged at – lack of manufacturing jobs in the US, our economy in shambles after deregulation of the financial industry, lack of health insurance, lack of healthy and affordable food choices…the base doesn't even care about or blames on someone who has been in office 6 months as opposed to 8 years.

Seriously, read a book sometime.

No Maj. Stefan is not a coward. He has the same question all the birthers have. I would do the same thing. So can all of our military. Oh my, then would he show and tell?

No one who is legitimately interested in the truth has ANY doubt that President Obama is perfectly eligible to be President.

He DID produce the stupid birth certificate. The news media covered it. Factcheck.org covered it. Snopes.com covered it. Even freakin' World News Daily covered it. ALL of them say there is no controversy.

“If some believe he should have to show it, that is their right.” What? Do you have any notion of what a legal right is? Here's a hint. It has nothing to do with what you believe. President Obama HAS shown his birth certificate to the public, but he has never HAD to do so. And someone else's “belief” to the contrary doesn't mean anything.

For example, it is my “belief” that former President George Bush should have to sit before Congress and testify under oath about every single thing he has done wrong that we do not yet know about, to save us the hassle of looking under all the rocks to see what's hiding under each one. Does my belief have ANYTHING to do with a “right” to make the President do that? Of course not. But then I know what legal rights are and you do not. And more to the point, I care about the truth and you do not.

Do us all a favor. When the subject is something as ludicrous as birthers, just don't post anything. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.

When is this BULLSHIT going to end? These people can not accept the fact that a person not of their pedigree is the President of the United States. They can not accept the fact that they are no longer in charge. They refuse to work with the President and want NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM and will find ANY ridiculous nonsense to fight him with. They would prefer to live a delusional existence instead of acknowledging the TRUE facts that are readily available.

Obama was in a campaign for TWO YEARS!!! You are waiting TWO YEARS TO BRING THIS CR@P UP? If you hated this man so much, why didn't you DISprove his citizenship TWO YEARS AGO! WHY NOW?

Those who refuse to accept the Presidents' legitimacy of citizenship are disgraceful human beings, disprectful to the position and to the man, and are on the verge of starting a civil unrest through their UGLY, SPITEFULE, HATEFUL BIGOTRY!

If you don't post this, I'll know why.

Hey, in a country where you have creationist museums and a sizeable minority ( or is it now a small majority) of citizens who believe the earth is only 6,000 years old and that humans have always looked the way they look today, and that they coexisted with dinosaurs to boot, (not to mention that you could probably find a number of people who still believe the sun revolves around the earth), is this kind of nonsense really all that surprising??

To Name and Chuckj. He did show it and you all still don't believe it. Who do you people think you are that he has to prove anything to. I am sure the CIA or FBI knows the truth. You all are so funny to me. About the law. It does not matter that his mom was born in the US. Hawaii is part of the US! Obama was born there. I suggest that since having a black president bothers so many of you. GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM!!!

PLEASE, Republicans, the election is over! It is time to be gracious losers and give YOUR new President a chance to lead us out of the mess the last President brought on. Ouch, I know it must hurt to hear this… The new President needs YOUR support, not a party of “no,” if we are to be a strong nation again. The sad realization is that those who believe in such trash will not change their mind by reading my comment. Those who believe that Pres. Obama was not born here because he hasn't shown his “original” birth certificate are fools. All he can produce is a certification copy. You try getting an original for yourself! The original is filed securely, not to be filed in your $10 Office Depot filing box! Shall we doubt your citizenship because you can't show us your original certification of your birth? Maybe you shouldn't have voted? This is crazy making, birthers. Let's focus on economy, healthcare and education, not this trash. I repeat — The President needs your positive support!

Again, that is a certificate of live birth. Not a birth certificate.

The law suits are not going away. They will continue. All he has to do is show his birth certificate and all this stuff ends. Why is that so hard?

Snopes, Wikipedia and even Obama himself can't get their stories straight on which hospital he was born in.

You see the problem here is not that Democrats believe Obama is the Messiah. The problem here is most Republicans believe that he is, and it's scaring the daylights out of most of them. I wonder why? He's not interested in overthrowing the government, or hurting a soul. It's these crazy non-thinking reactionaries who hate this man because he is different from them in skin color, and obviously in heart and soul. They should be afraid of the ones who are spewing the poison over the conservative AM airwaves because these millionaires could care less about their so called constituents.

@LawGirl, hear hear. The parade of constant, absurd xenophobia may play well with the hardcore Republican base, but totally alienate most Americans — as do the repeated acts of moral hypocrisy of the “upcoming stars” of the GOP.

You are wrong. You will never be able to get your actual birth certificate or your kids'. You got a certified copy. Not only that – but many citizens prove their birth by using the family bible. Can you imagine if the Obama family did that…

Oh, the richness that would ensue.

Chuck for the purposes of the discussion please provide proof your birth in the United States. Hopefully it will be believable.

Some on the political right and among lobbyists long have utilized the concept that if you just repeat something often enough as if it were fact, many relatively unintelligent people will come to accept it AS fact, even in the face of evidence to the contrary. You can pull people around that way and herd them like sheep. I think the phenomenon is enhanced if the targeted non-thinkers HOPE the floated notion IS fact. We've seen this kind of infuriating ploy used numerous times in recent decades in attempts to herd our thought and votes. It incites and feeds on hatreds, fears and prejudices. It's made ever more effective by vastly improved communications that allow those lacking proper ethics to spread and repeat rumors – such as the notion that Obama is not a U.S. citizen – and to keep them going even after they have been debunked. The best way for people to inoculate themselves individually against such deliberate attempts to poison rational thought is to be aware the phenomenon exists and to be able to detect it when it is used. Better education with improved emphasis on critical thinking skills is the long-term antidote.

This is so stupid. When the question of Obama's birth certificate came out before the elections, I was able to see the certificate for myself just by googling it. If I could see it online, so could everyone else. If the Director of the Hawaiian Health Department says it is the REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE and its verified before being issued, then who are these right wing nut jobs to question it? Do they work in that department? NO.The rethugliCONZ are only wanting to make more smokescreen to hide their hidden agendas ooh say like HIPOCRI-CSTREET. Mhmm.

This is so stupid. When the question of Obama's birth certificate came out before the elections, I was able to see the certificate for myself just by googling it. If I could see it online, so could everyone else. If the Director of the Hawaiian Health Department says it is the REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE and its verified before being issued, then who are these right wing nut jobs to question it? Do they work in that department? NO.The rethugliCONZ are only wanting to make more smokescreen to hide their hidden agendas ooh say like HIPOCRI-CSTREET. Mhmm.

Chuck, the problem intelligent people (not just liberals) have with this idiotic posturing is that Obama HAS PROVIDED sufficient proof. It's not that “some people believe he should have to show it” — it's that it's been shown, and conspiracy theorists continue to defy the facts, like a bunch of little right-wing Fox Mulders.

What I, however, don't understand is how these birthers can lambaste the president and “liberals [who] are 100% certain Obama is a born citizen” while decrying the same “liberals” for simply asking questions about Trig Palin's birth. The difference between the two is that President Obama provided the evidence when asked, while former Governor Palin didn't. I'm not saying or insinuating that Trig isn't her baby, or wasn't born in exactly the way she described, or anything of the sort; frankly, I don't care. However, it seems rather odd to me that concrete evidence is not enough for a Democrat, but a complete and utter lack of evidence is more than enough for a Republican.

And I don't have any hate, dude. Isn't it conservatives who always accuse liberals of being tree-hugging hippies? And aren't hippies supposed to be all about peace and love? Heh.

Chuck, the problem intelligent people (not just liberals) have with this idiotic posturing is that Obama HAS PROVIDED sufficient proof. It's not that “some people believe he should have to show it” — it's that it's been shown, and conspiracy theorists continue to defy the facts, like a bunch of little right-wing Fox Mulders.

What I, however, don't understand is how these birthers can lambaste the president and “liberals [who] are 100% certain Obama is a born citizen” while decrying the same “liberals” for simply asking questions about Trig Palin's birth. The difference between the two is that President Obama provided the evidence when asked, while former Governor Palin didn't. I'm not saying or insinuating that Trig isn't her baby, or wasn't born in exactly the way she described, or anything of the sort; frankly, I don't care. However, it seems rather odd to me that concrete evidence is not enough for a Democrat, but a complete and utter lack of evidence is more than enough for a Republican.

And I don't have any hate, dude. Isn't it conservatives who always accuse liberals of being tree-hugging hippies? And aren't hippies supposed to be all about peace and love? Heh.

Chuck, the problem intelligent people (not just liberals) have with this idiotic posturing is that Obama HAS PROVIDED sufficient proof. It's not that “some people believe he should have to show it” — it's that it's been shown, and conspiracy theorists continue to defy the facts, like a bunch of little right-wing Fox Mulders.

What I, however, don't understand is how these birthers can lambaste the president and “liberals [who] are 100% certain Obama is a born citizen” while decrying the same “liberals” for simply asking questions about Trig Palin's birth. The difference between the two is that President Obama provided the evidence when asked, while former Governor Palin didn't. I'm not saying or insinuating that Trig isn't her baby, or wasn't born in exactly the way she described, or anything of the sort; frankly, I don't care. However, it seems rather odd to me that concrete evidence is not enough for a Democrat, but a complete and utter lack of evidence is more than enough for a Republican.

And I don't have any hate, dude. Isn't it conservatives who always accuse liberals of being tree-hugging hippies? And aren't hippies supposed to be all about peace and love? Heh.

Do you often insult the Founding Fathers, chuck? Because, you know, that rule has been around since the United States has been around.

Oh, and before I forget, the Founding Fathers were all white. Every last one. Even Thomas Jefferson. He dipped his pen in the plantation ink, but he was white. So, therefore, using Republican reasoning, everything they did is good and nothing they did is bad.

So get over yourself. If you don't like America there are 190 other countries that will take your tax money. Don't forget to write us when you get there.

Do you often insult the Founding Fathers, chuck? Because, you know, that rule has been around since the United States has been around.

Oh, and before I forget, the Founding Fathers were all white. Every last one. Even Thomas Jefferson. He dipped his pen in the plantation ink, but he was white. So, therefore, using Republican reasoning, everything they did is good and nothing they did is bad.

So get over yourself. If you don't like America there are 190 other countries that will take your tax money. Don't forget to write us when you get there.

Do you often insult the Founding Fathers, chuck? Because, you know, that rule has been around since the United States has been around.

Oh, and before I forget, the Founding Fathers were all white. Every last one. Even Thomas Jefferson. He dipped his pen in the plantation ink, but he was white. So, therefore, using Republican reasoning, everything they did is good and nothing they did is bad.

So get over yourself. If you don't like America there are 190 other countries that will take your tax money. Don't forget to write us when you get there.

Do you often insult the Founding Fathers, chuck? Because, you know, that rule has been around since the United States has been around.

Oh, and before I forget, the Founding Fathers were all white. Every last one. Even Thomas Jefferson. He dipped his pen in the plantation ink, but he was white. So, therefore, using Republican reasoning, everything they did is good and nothing they did is bad.

So get over yourself. If you don't like America there are 190 other countries that will take your tax money. Don't forget to write us when you get there.

Just an observation, but the birth certificate shows B. H. OBAMA, II… and his father as just B. H. OBAMA.

Shouldn't he have been Jr and not the Second (II) – second (II) would mean the name goes from father, jumps his son, and the Grandson of his son is named B. H. OBAMA, II.

Am I right or wrong? I believe I am correct.

Wher did Chuck go. I guess he out looking for his real Birth Cert.

Okay, can you please tell me exactly what evidence you have that the president was born in Kenya? President Obama was born in Hawaii; he has provided evidence of this. Can you provide evidence to the contrary, including evidence showing that what exists in Hawaii is a fake?

You accuse the president of lying about where he was born, and yet you provide no evidence to support your claims. This is not “logic and common sense,” as Chuck below asserts; this is just the paranoid delusion of partisanship of the worst kind.

You are incorrect; the II mean just that — he is the second person with the name, if he had a son, he would be B.H. Obama III. The name does not have to skip in order to be II. Junior or II are both interchangeable and acceptable.

No, you have a coward who tried to use the military to prove an agenda, specifically volunteering for duty after Obama was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (they must be in on it too), but then deciding to make an issue of it…he volunteered to go in May, 2009, he wasn't requested…But his dishonorable discharge will be worth it, maybe someone will be nice enough to show him the way to a VA hospital so he can get his meds, you can follow him

ugh, this is why you need actual degrees from established universities before you show the grade schoolers laws.

here is your MASSIVE mistake – that quoted requirement is for U.S. Citizens that become U.S. Citizens after having moved here from ANOTHER COUNTRY –

if the parent is a U.S. Citizen from birth, born in this country like O's mom was, then that requirement does NOT apply.

but if you want to carry water for it fine – let's deport every and all people born to parents in the US that were under the age of 26 – because in your little mind they are not U.S Citizens so they must be illegal aliens –

and let's start with Trigg Palin … his parents were both under 18 when he was born so get his illegal alien ass out of the country, right? birthers, here is your next cause!!! DEPORT TRIGG PALIN!

see – following retardlican logic will get you into trouble …

actually, we all know McCain wasn't born here, he was born in Panama…Congress passed a law regarding it that made him eligible

What is the difference between a birth certificate and a certificate of birth?

i hope you and all birfers are donating like mad to all the folks like Phil Berg and Orly Taitz that are fighting this out in court! they need your money, all of it, to save America!

With all the crap these “Birthers” are spewing there're more like “AfterrBirthers”

How long does the country have to endure this band of republican racists? A few more elections and they will be a distinct minority without the votes to do anything but whine.

Former Maj. Stefan was a reservist who volunteered to go to Afghanistan just so he would have standing to sue the US Government by claiming that the Commander in Chief isn't legit.

He's an embarrassment to every man and woman who is currently serving in the military, not to mention the ones who served and died on foreign soil.

There were PLENTY of progressive soldiers who could have challenged Bush as our legitimate CoC from 2000 to 2004 because of what the Supreme Court did. Did they? No.

You call him a patriot. I call it treasonous and cowardice. We agree to disagree.

Um, I checked my Birth Certificate, I was born in Washington State and am a legal citizen of the USA capable of running for and service as the President of the United States of America.

And guess what? Mine says “Certificate of Live Birth”, not “Birth Certificate”, does this make me an illegal alien?

The was a political move by the Major who is a Reservist. He volunteered to for active duty service in April (after Obama was sworn in); he then received his orders in June and then filed his lawsuit in July. This was done to make a political statement on the behalf of the Major and other “birthers”. The Major should be ashamed of himself for using the U.S. Army in this way. He should be court marshalled.

>> You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. <<

Ok, so why let this issue continue to fester? If the state of Hawaii in fact verifed the facts, then why not just show everyone and be done with it? Why not hold the facts up to the light of day and demonstrate what a bunch of kooks the conspiracy theorists are?

Frankly, I have no dog in the fight. I think the requirement to be a natural born citizen is a crock, an anachronism from the time of the revolution.

It does seem odd though, don't you think, why hide when there is nothing to hide?

“What I dont understand, if you liberals are 100 percent certain Obama is a born citizen and you dont have a problem with him not showing his Birth Certificate, why are you here complaining?”

Because he HAS shown his birth certificate. The complaint is with morons like you who refuse to accept any level of evidence. No matter how many times the evidence is presented, it won't be good enough.

As for “spewing your typical garbage”…..how dare you accuse others of spewing garbage when you're too stupid to read a g0damn birth certificate and accept that there is no giant, multi-country and multi-state conspiracy that would be required to fake it. The level of idiocy here is astonishing.

The sad thing is, I generally refrain from insulting people by calling them idiots, morons, or stupid, but there is literally no other way to describe birthers. It's amazing you people are capable of tying your own shoes….although that's a huge assumption on my part, I'll admit. I would not be at all surprised to down look at your feet and see velcro.

No!

Your are death wrong. Maj Stefan is a RACIST and a COWARD. The order to deploy comes from his military leadership. His military leadership eventually gets its order from the branch Sec. The Branch Sec gets direction from the Sec. of Defense. The Sec. of Defense get his objectives from the President. The President does not order any military member. He establishes his intent after consulting with his national defense support staff. Each military branch leader determines which unit goes where, when, and for how long. Therefore, Maj “RACIST/COWARD” Stefan is failing to follow lawful orders established by his commanders.

I hope they put his A$$ away for many years.

All you liberals, read this:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104163

Again, Congress held hearings for McCain to determain his eligibility, why are they giving Obama a pass?

I have proof that President Obama isn't a citizen. He was born in Nigeria. I can send anyone the ORGINAL birth certificate but the transaction requires maxiimum confidence. I'm getting it from a top offical of the federal government of Nigeria. I'm solicating your help because the documents are in the possession of the last military regime. Please note that the transaction is 100% safe.
Yours Faithfully,
Dr. Clement Okon

You are right on the name of the second or third. I named my son after his Father as JR. Then the Father comes in as SR. The son will or could name his son the first and is carried on from the second and so on. SR, then JR, then first, second and so on.

i am not angry, i am laughing at you.

14th Amendment, Section 1. “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” No requirement regarding standing of the mother or any other prerequisite. The alleged collusion that is being advocated here regarding hiding or distortion/fraud of birth certificates is laughable on multiple levels. How is it possible that so many, of both parties, would have allowed this alleged miscarriage to have continued from the moment Obama announced his candidacy all the way through the electoral process? Frivolous lawsuits and pundit pronouncements notwithstanding, the current President was elected legally and as citizens, deserves our support.

“You bet I’d sign it,” said Brodgon. “I know I’d have no problem showing my birth certificate.”

Yeah, but it's a forgery.

Ok on proof of certificate??? Put it on the net for FREE???

The “fool” who determined that people born on American soil are citizens regardless of the citizenship status of their parents are the same “fools” who wrote the US Constitution.

I'm truely shocked at your incredibly low level of intelligence. How did you even figure out how to post a comment to this site? I can't imagine that you're actually capable of using a mouse and keyboard, what with only two brain cells functioning. You're truely a marvel.

Typical Republican. Calls the Founding Fathers fools because he is too big of a fool to know the origin of the “law” he is bashing. It is in the Constitution you ungenius.

You're right; we do not have evidence that Maj. Stefan is a coward. He is, however, a conspiracy-theorist, a fringe lunatic, and completely unpatriotic for his comments regarding the sitting president of the United States. If someone — anyone — had refused to go to war under President Bush, that person would have been figuratively, if not literally, killed by the right.

Our military personnel have the right to disobey orders, and the military has the right to try them and/or dismiss them. Maj. Stefan will never actually serve this country. You know why? Because he is a threat to unit cohesion. If he doesn't like the president, he can claim anything. That is a threat to every other person in a unit with him. Therefore, he is an unreliable soldier, and an unreliable soldier isn't really a soldier at all.

If you would do the same thing, dude, then why don't you? Please. Sign up for the military, and then refuse your deployment orders. See what happens. I dare ya.

Hey Chuckj and the rest of the 'Obama is not a citizen' crowd:

The certificate of live birth proves that Obama was born in the United States. He meets all requirements of a US Citizen. You and others like you continue to argue this irrelevant position. Obama is a US Citizen, therefore qualifies to run for President of the US and as result qualifies to handily defeat the nonviable republican candidate and the unqualified vp nominee.

I assume you will respond to this and other post with additional repetitive posts about Live Birth Cert vs Birth Cert but the fact is you are arguing a position that has no relevancy to proving Obama's US Citizenship or lack thereof.

Hey, check any of the number of links posted here. Or Google it. Go on, check it out. Or are you just here to whine and complain because you didn't get your way in the election?

Lordy, you're worse than the Dems who attacked the Supreme Court for Bush v. Gore. This isn't a conspiracy!

Chuck, you're a troll. You're starting to annoy me. You don't have any interest in truth. So I write this not to refute your points but to educate anyone who might be unlucky enough to read your drivel without context.

You KNOW that no government agency will send out an ORIGINAL birth certificate. Go to your safe deposit box and look at yours. I bet you my mortgage that it is a certified copy. You can inspect the original on site, but you cannot take it away, for obvious reasons. You can get a certified copy, or go inspect the original.

You also know that this has been DONE. Every angle has been explored. The original has been inspected. Just look here: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

You also know that there are no military personnel who actually doubt whether President Obama is their legitimate commander in chief. The fact that our heroic men and women are following his orders in ACTUAL COMBAT overseas tells you that. That moron ex-Major Fox or whatever his name is was just pulling a political stunt. He VOLUNTEERED to serve in Afghanistan. He did not need to sue to get out of going, a month later. He is allowed to change his mind, since he's a volunteer. So that's that. No need for a lawsuit. Unless you're a wingnut trying to stir up other wingnuts. His lawyer already filed and LOST several such frivolous lawsuits.

Now go wash out your mouth. You've told enough lies for one day.

Jimpa, are you tha same guy that say I'll send you money and you cash the check and send me back $$. What a scam. Nice try.

Em the only people hiding are the ones who believe this Rehashed swill feed to them from the Repub rumor mill tough. They are hiding from using their BRAINS to view fact from fiction. The fact is Obama is a U.S. citizen. There is no way he would have been given oath of office if that was not the case. The issue of his Birth Certificate was settled over 6 months ago. I guess some people just like the taste of regurgitated bunk.

These guys need to either read the U.S. Constitution, or get another job! Anyone born in the U. S. (and Hawaii is part of the U. S.) or who is born of a parent of U. S. citizenship (and the President's mother was a U. S. citizen), is a U. S. citizen. Period.

President George W Bush was born in Canada. I ask someone to prove me wrong. I need to see the orginal birth certificate and not some forgery.

Will these idiots ever stop this nonsense?! They are apparently desperate and don't seem to realize how very very stupid they look and sound.

Chuck has left the building. Chase them away with logic.

The rabid right wingers and birthers love the attention.
Kinda like your 2 yr old.
Election's over, you lost, he's in, he's black, you can't get over.
If Hillary had won, the'yd have a CT out about her.
Lie and smear, that's what the G-No-P do best.
And they call Dems evil—-look in the mirror I say.

Cook–a traitor and should be court-martialed.

Ha!

This is just the craziest thing I have ever heard of. Don't these people have anything better to do. Go out and do something useful. I am so sick of this b—s—. Get behind a project that could help someone in need. What a bunch of immature grownups. What is going on in this country that we can't get behind our president whether we voted for him or not. Do something for the betterment of this country and stop the damn whinning. Grow the f— up already.

Because John McCain was born on a military base in a foreign country, and Barack Obama was born in one of the fifty states. Not hard.

Here are the REAL facts, not the far-reaching rhetoric being spewed:

“The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth”

You didn't get your 21, 320,000.00? Much sorry. i will look into that.

Politicians who waste their constituent’s time & money on this issue should be voted out of office.

kwiley9711:

“Ok on proof of certificate??? Put it on the net for FREE???”

It's been there for more than a year, cracker. “Buh-buh-buh it's a fake/forgery/etc.” Yeah sure cracker.

What's next? Are the wingnuts going to argue that President Obama is not the legitimate President because voters in the voting booth confused his name with that of his opponent? Their names are very similar. Well, they're actually nothing at all alike, but you know what? THAT kind of conspiracy theory is actually A LOT MORE LIKELY to be true than any of the crap you birthers have come up with thus far.

And that's only because there's a 1 in 20 quintillion chance that you'd be right about the candidate confusion thing. But there's absolutely no chance that President Obama is Constitutionally ineligible to be elected.

Keep trying; we Democrats need more free advertisements for our party.

Since McCain was born in a U. S. Territory (Canal Zone) and his parents were U. S. citizens, he was a U. S. on both counts. Just another example of Congress wasting time and money.

Yeah, there is some question of whether he is eligable to be president based on his birth location, fortunately having a US citizen for a parent makes you a natural citizen, so being born in Panama isn't an issue-oh wait, are we talking about how McCain wasn't born in the US?

I think they should be asked why they hate America. “Libruls” were attacked just for disagreeing with President Bush. This is out-and-out saying that Barack Obama's presidency is illegitimate.

Well said.

My birth certificate says across the top “Certificate of Live Birth”. It is a copy that I have used to obtain a passport and establish residency in two foreign countries. I called the nice people at my state's Vital Statistics office and politely requested if I could get ahold of my “vault original” birth certificate. Apparently “vault original” is a made up phrase because they did not know what I was talking about. After I pushed a little bit they politely informed me that I was asking a nutty question and to please stop calling.
CIA, Secret Service, FBI, State Department and the State of Hawaii step aside! Orly Taitz to the rescue!
Repubs, please keep up your bizarre show. You are showing the world that you accept fantasy instead of truth, lies instead of veracity and conspiracy instead of logic.
I know if I were in your position I would believe the conspiracies too. It is much easier to believe in a massive, leak-proof, decades long conspiracy to elect Barack Obama president than to believe that white people in your country would turn out in droves to vote for a black guy right?

Wrong. The law states:

If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of ones birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.

O's mother doesn't pass this test as she was 18 when he was born. Thanks for playing.

All these conspiracy theorists should be lined up against a wall and sh*t. They are un-American, immoral and frankly should leave the country-forcibly.

Just do me this favor, jimpa. Put a third of whatever money the birthers give you into a pot for reelecting President Obama.

Put another third into an envelope and mail it to the IRS with a letter explaining that you know some concerned citizens who wanted to reduce the impact of the federal bailouts.

You can keep the final third as a finder's fee for a job well done.

Wrong. The laws says

If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of ones birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.

O's father is not a citizen and O's mother was only 18 so she fails that test.

McCain's parents were both U.S. citizens. Thanks for playing.

“why not just show everyone and be done with it? “

They have, and it has been independently verified.

Maybe the Birthers' tinfoil hats are on so tight their eyes have been pulled shut?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

How do these folks accept the fact that John Sidney McCain was born in Panama and not on U.S. soil without blinking but Barack Hussein Obama who was born in Hawaii is questioned even when proof of birth is offered? I don't think this has anything to do with logic or facts.

I didn't have to read past the word “Kansas” to know what kind of nut job we're dealing with.

If you're a 4th grader.

Accept he was born in the US.

Thanks for proving people who believe this garbage are complete morons.

Please stop making up nonsense.

;)

You know who wasn't born in the United States? George Washington.

All O has to do is make the call and tell the officials in Hawaii to provide a certified copy. Just one little call and everyone shuts up. What's he hiding.

In case you missed it, I just called Weigel's quote source, and she refused to confirm the impression that Weigel is trying to give.

These people can't believe we have a black president. They are losing what's left of their minds.

Hey dufus, go to factcheck.org, hardly a left wing site, and see not only the birth certificate, but their testimony of having seen, handled and photographed it. Conclusion: Born in the USA. Ignorance is bliss.

Desperate people will do anything, true or false, to further their cause. It only proves that either people have too much time on their hands or, like sheep being led to slaughter, they will “follow the leader.” Pitiful, but true.

My god, even the people on the right side of the argument are too ignorant to argue the point properly. Let me say this as politely as possible:

THEY PUBLISHED THE DAMN BIRTH CERTIFICATE. PROOF GIVEN. NOW SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!

That one has been debunked and re-debunked.

How about you give an honest to goodness leagl citation for that “law”.

… and no, right wings blogs are not legitimate citations. You need to link to the actual, nonexistent, statute.

good one.

What sucks is that for a lot of people, it still boils down to race and “other”-ness. Oh, they'll deny it, for certain, citing Alan Keyes' support for an investigation as proof, or talking about their black or Latino or Asian friend, or some other crap like that. But I seriously doubt we'd be having this conversation even if Sec. Clinton had been elected, because even though she's not who they'd want, at least she looks like them. No, they'd find some other reason why Hillary was illegitimate.

Look, people need to cut the crap and start having a little more respect for the office. Nobody's asking y'all to respect Barack Obama the man, just as no one can make me respect George W. Bush as a man. But you know something? George W. Bush was my president, and Barack Obama is my president. He's yours too. You may not like him, but you should, as an American citizen, at least respect the office.

Why do the birthers jump on the nonsense that president Obama wasn't born in the USA but won't bite on president George W Bush was born in Canada? What could the difference be??

Oh, and although you say “the law states” you do not bother to cite any law. I am a lawyer, but you wouldn't need to be one to see that you're completely full of sh*t.

More to the point, please explain how, under your bizarre made-up nonexistent law, ANY teenaged mother could satisfy that requirement? Women can have babies at 16, you know.

So if you are claiming a sixteen year old American woman would have to reside in the US a further 5 years before any of her kids count as citizens, I would say that you shouldn't waste your time on this birth certificate stuff. You're better off just sleeping until it's time to give you your next dosage.

Go away.

It's already on there – da — has been for quite some time

This is how the Republican Party will continue to diminish its once-proud standing, with its most ignorant members grabbing all the headlines by running around in circles chasing imaginary grails.
They, along with the “family values” candidates who clearly have no family values of their own, are making the word “Republican” synonymous with “fool”.

If anyone is interested in the facts, as a reservist who volunteered to be deployed to Afghanistan, it was his choice to rescind that request. He did so, and that is why his deployment orders were canceled, not because of this crackpot “birther” nonsense. I think it’s hilarious that Cook works for a defense contractor, and by filing a lawsuit against the government, he cannot work on military bases. He has unwittingly fired himself. What a tool.

I think we found the person who knows the answer to the question “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?” Please illuminate me sir. I await your answer.

This is all reminiscent of the “Clinton Chronicles” that the Melon-Scaife groups flooded the “community access” airwaves with during the Clinton years. Its all meant to distract and call into question the credibility of a Democrat as President. I guess the fascist right doesn't care that Saint Ronny was a traitor to his country while president of the Screen Actors Guild, by turning in members of the guild to be black listed for being “communists”.

Wow. Well, I may have to re-think my earlier assertion that I am (or was) a “good American”. After reading all of this drivel today, I am totally convinced that it's all a lost cause. What a bunch of TV inspired SMARTA$$ES. American is done. At least 52% doomed. The monkey majority is now running the zoo. What made the US a great nation is gone. What has always been it's main weakness now is a dominant force. You're all (or at least 52%) brain-washed main-stream-media zombies. All you can see is your stupid little Demican/Republicrat world. You are all (DEMS and REPUBS) controlled by forces you can't see and don't understand. Just a bunch of stupid Goyim. You really don't deserve a country any more. Go ahead. Self destruct. Whatever. There's no way to fix it. You're fat. You're stupid. You're ugly. You're misbegotten and badly bred. You have no morals. You have no courage. You have no work ethic. Your kids can't read. And if they could, they'd read garbage. They don't know math. They don't know science. They know no real history. They only know how to dress like “gangsta” and talk jive. They are filled with “political correctness” though. Great. Fine. The end.

Rome took a couple of centuries to go from a world super power to a decadent, powerless, mish-mash shithole. We (or you rather) will accomplish the same feat in a couple of decades. I secede. I don't want anything to do with you mongrel, perverts. Just keep printing up that funny money and throwing it around like idiots. More national debt will only hasten the decline. You all deserve the lying, crooked and evil government you have allowed to be created here. And now you can just sink into the $hit with it. If you listen very closely, you can hear the Gods, and the rest of the world laughing. Disgusting monkeys.

He was born in the Colony of Virginia. You know why he wasn't born, technically, in the United States? BECAUSE HE INVENTED THE DAMNED THING!

(Okay, that's a bit of an over-statement, but honestly, that's a ridiculous comment. George Washington was born in Virginia. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. The end.)

He has – the certified copy allowed by law is the one he has produced and put up on his website. It was independently reviewed and verified and the Governor of Hawaii, who is a Republican, has declared nit legit.

But I think the theory that he traveled back in time to put the birth announcement about him being born in Hawaii into their local newspaper at the time of his birth has real legs!

They would have gone after any Democrat and especially Senator Clinton if she had been elected President.

I asked VP Richard Cheney the same question; “What are you hiding sir?”
Where were all you guys when we needed you after 911?
I say let's solve that mystery first then tackle the birth certificate conundrum.

Well said. Respect the uniform.

Lord knows I did not respect George W. Bush but I always referred to him as the President, and I never questioned his right to represent us around the world. I was actually pleased that he went to the Olympics. I thought it was a good sign for the world that our President was there. If Obama had gone, the Republicans would just make insults about whether he's going to play for the Dream Team or waste taxpayers' money by flying Air Force One ALL THE WAY TO CHINA. And back!

Why do you people keep lying and say he put his Birth Certificate up for all to see? He never did. He put up a Certificate of Live Birth. That is NOT a Birth Certificate. There is a difference.

Again, ALL HE HAS TO DO IS SHOW HIS ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND ALL THIS GOES AWAY!! Why are you fighting this Obama?

Actually you have missed the identity of the right wing whacko that started this. Here is an example but if you Google you will find the Hillary blogs filled with this as far back as December 2007:

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/04/11/clinton-oba…

Then there is the cleansing of Obama's passport file that was never covered in the press and I have heard that one of the individuals that was involved that was cooperating with the investigation was found shot to death in a car. You should also look at who owned the company of these employees and the connection to Obama:

http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2009/01/trut…

By the way, McCain did take steps to show he was a natural born citizen. Obama posted a photograph of a Certification of Live Birth to a pro-Obama website. Try applying for a passport or a Federal job and send them a photograph of your birth certificate posted on a website. Also, when did factcheck and these other organizations take over the vetting function of the Democratic party?

So David Weigel, you are a reporting here is a challenge for you. Go out and find a statement from either the Democratic National Committee or the Federal Election Committee that states that they have personally reviewed Obama's records and have deemed him to be a natural born citizen. Keep looking because it is conspicuous by its absence. All of the American People rely on the parties to vet their candidates that when the parties place the names on the ballot they have been fully vetted. Obama and his team found a loop hole in the election laws. Apparently there is no one responsible for this.

Look at the Hillary blogs from December 2007. The Democratic National Committee had months of notice on this issue and all that was done was Obama posting a photograph of a birth certificate to a website?

Please be sure to return your unemployment checks. Uncashed, of course.

Thanks.

You know, every time you say “if he would just show his birth certificate then all this goes away,” it's just further evidence that you're full of shit.

No matter WHAT, you and the idiots who make your argument will just keep saying “nope, that's part of the conspiracy too.”

I usually try not to make ad hominem attacks. You deserve it. You're a completely worthless piece of shit. Go crawl back into the shithole you swam out of.

“While “birthers” claim that the president’s lawyers have spent “hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars” fighting their lawsuits, they’ve never provided evidence for that claim.”
Nice. Some times the jokes just write themselves…

I still have my birth certificare that has a gold seal, my feet prints and my doctors name, place and county, and much more. I am not now young person and it was My Mother that gave me my oringnal birth certificate. I will carry this birth rights through out my life time. I did have to get a copy of it at one time in my life and it came back with out my gold seal but did have my feet prints and all the other goodies that come with the certificate. I just happen to be born here in the USA.

I hate to sound like a hick, but if you don't like America, you're welcome to leave.

Was there a point to this rant? You go on and on but don't say a damned thing.

I am pretty certain I am not fat. Nor, I am reasonably certain, am I stupid. I might be ugly, but that's far more of a personal preference thing than a verifiable fact. I was born of two married parents, so I'm certainly not misbegotten; I'm of pretty hearty Irish stock, so I don't think I'm badly bred. I've got pretty good morals, and I try to have the courage to back them up, though I sometimes fail at this. I work very hard, a work ethic passed on to me by my immigrant father and his immigrant family. I have no kids, but if I did, I'm reasonably sure they'd be able to read, as I study English Literature; and what they'd read would, hopefully, be of artistic and literary value, preferably the works of Ken Kesey and James Joyce, but also of Jane Austen and Plato and Murakami. I'd also work with them to ensure that they'd know math and science. As for history, I'm not sure what “real history” means to you, but as I study metafiction, I'm certain we could have a debate on what “real history” actually is. And they sure as hell wouldn't “dress like 'gangsta,' though whether or not they “talk[ed] jive” would be up to them. So too would be their feelings on political correctness, though I would always encourage them to speak their minds.

Look, the next time you want to echo Alan Keyes, please post to your blog. But until then, stop bitching about America, get up off your ass, and do something to fix it. Volunteer in your community. Tutor an orphan. Learn a new language and volunteer to teach new legal immigrants English. Paint an elderly neighbor's fence without asking for pay. Assist a youth group. Become a teacher for the inner city. Do something, don't just say something.

As for my childrens birth certificates they to have the same as mine. I had to have them when I registered them both in school as well as there shot records.

“Try applying for a passport or a Federal job and send them a photograph of your birth certificate posted on a website.”

Hmmm. A passport, like the one President Obama has and used this month to travel abroad? A Federal job, like being U.S. Senator, which President Obama was? Or U.S. President, which he is? That's a Federal job.

Dumbass. Epic fail!

Not really…the Colony of Virginia was a British Colony until after GW was born. Hawai'i was a part of the United States before President Obama was born.

My point is that the whole “where he was born” nonsense is just that – nonsense.

relax man! i know it's really frustrating swimming in a pool of idiots. but hey, this country is still half full of people who want it to improve. the only way we can get back on track is to vote out all corrupt politicians, identify trustworthy people to take their place, and endorse the crap out of them via internet. we have the means to make anyone famous for free: the net and youtube.

it can be done, as long as people, like yourself, who know the truth, don't give up. the people with a clue that know the elite has been manipulating us for years, must fight back and take our govt. we need to elect trustworthy, progressive people into congress every chance we get. we can do it! look for my comments at huffing ton post dot com

Thank you

NUTTBALLS
Nothing more than a bunch of right wing NUTTBALLS.
There are none worse than Hannity, Rush or World Net Daily.
They don't care about facts, they care about political rhetoric which divides… even if it's false.

Why should we believe anything you say, birfer-in-chief?

The copy of obamas is out of the health department not a hospital

Well. After your 'monkeys' and 'goyim' rant, I retract my retraction.

You're an asshole.

You know – I had a guy call in to my law office once who was convinced that the government was trying to take away his Vitamin D. I'm so glad to see you back!

Why are you all here? There's a Creation Museum just beckoning to your family…forget Disney World…celebrate ignorance! Go…fly, be free!

Goodness sakes, SOMEONE got up on the wrong side of the bed. And isn't he cute when he's all feisty like that?

Freedom is not free

So, you don’t have audio then.

If that’s your game: I just spoke to the FBI, and they couldn’t confirm that 24AheadDotCom isn’t a pedophile.

If you dispute anything I’m saying, the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, you’re just trying to throw up dust.

Chuck, what's the difference among the following? A Driver's License, a Driving License, and Motor Vehicle Operator’s Permit. The differences, sir, are the words used. Nothing more.

Once again, President Obama has provided evidence of his birthplace and his citizenship. Can you provide evidence of the contrary? The burden of proof, sir, is on the accuser.

I for one cannot believe the lack of national security awareness that the Bush administration had in order to allow a non-resident to become President of the United States. There should be an investigation as to how this was allowed to happen and the entire Bush administration should be tried for allowing the greatest security breach in American history. Now turn off your AM radios and back away!

What a lot of folks don't understand is that THESE PROTOCOLS VARY BY STATE. Some keep the originals and provide photocopies of them. Others keep the originals, and for security reasons do not allow public access to them, and issue Certificates reiterating what the original says, which is embossed and witnessed; this is more secure than a photocopy. That's what Hawaii does. All require a foreign-born naturalized citizen's certificate to list place of birth. If Obama was born overseas, his certificate would say so.

Obama was born in Hawaii. Get over it.

It's not worth being civil to people who refuse to see reason and instead hang on to their racism.

Tell me this…. If you really believed that the President was not legitimately eligible, then why do you believe the Republican party took NO action to keep him from being on the general election ballot? Why did Sarah Palin not say that he's not eligible to serve? She said he pals around with terrorists, so clearly she wasn't afraid of hurting anyone's delicate sensibilities.

Do you believe that the ENTIRE GOP just decided that they didn't really mind who's President, after all? Even a black guy named Barack Obama whose intelligence and utter cool factor puts them all to shame? The ENTIRE GOP somehow did not mind handing over the keys to the White House to a black guy when there was something realllllllly obvious they could have done to keep him out? (They could have sued, for example.)

John McCain called his own wife a cunt. Excuse me, his second wife. He divorced his first wife after she was in a car accident and became horribly disfigured. He was 72 years old and running for President for the last time. He hugged George W. Bush when he got the nomination. Bush is responsible for push polling in the 2000 South Carolina primary that slandered McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter as somehow being a black illegitimate child. McCain put up with THAT in order to run for office with Bush's blessing in 2008, but he somehow lacked the guts to say “Senator Obama, you weren't born here and haven't produced any evidence of that, and until you do, I do not consider you a legitimate opponent?” They did have 3 debates, you know.

So what was McCain waiting for? Jeff Sessions or Lindsay Graham to do it for him?

Your conspiracy theories suggest nothing factual. But to the extent they say anything, they say you should really fault THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY for somehow failing to see what is so obvious to you. They just let the keys to White America slip through their fingers, right? The same people who fall all over themselves insulting Judge Sotomayor?

God, you'd have to be a dumbass or a very hateful person to keep saying what you say in light of ALL evidence to the contrary. At this point I'm willing to be charitable and say you're not hateful, just a dumbass.

But

Um…am I the only progressive Obama-supporter that thinks requiring candidates to submit eligibility requirements would be a GOOD thing? That it will stop all future “birther” movements in the future?

I was just looking up a job at the US Census. You are required to submit evidence of eligibility for the job (as with all federal jobs and most jobs.)

Why not with POTUS?

You are a nuttball pal
If you really believe this crap.. you need help

Really?

Calling a black man “Mr. President” hurts that bad?

“I did not volunteer with the intent of becoming a conscientious objector,” Stefan F. Cook told TWI in an email.

No, but he did volunteer with the intent of remaining a coward.

Well-put. I have a similar comment below. How in the world could the Republicans have fallen asleep at the switch? Not just a non-resident, but a BLACK coke-snorting MUSLIM with the name Barack HUSSEIN Obama somehow slipped through the cracks, right under their noses. Hundreds of GOP politicians somehow missed this fundamental issue, even though it was raised every day for six months.

When do the Congressional hearings start????

Actually, it's one of the basic human rights declared by Amnesty International and adopted by the United Nations. The first one, in fact. According to that, if you're human, you have the inherent right to be free.

This was also declared by a little thing called… hmm… The Declaration of Independence. Assuming, of course, that you believe liberty and freedom are roughly the same thing. Do you indeed hold the rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness as fundamental? If so, then freedom, that most basic of human rights, is free.

Take a second look at 1SGUSA's post, especially the last line.

Did you see the sarcasm this time? Good. It's ok. The seargeant is one of us.

hey, hey, give the guy a break. is frustration is understandable, because the ship has been driven by a crew of idiots far too long. it's ok, because he at least understands the true setup. i'll take a boatload of cranky guys like this, over the boatload of wingnuts that cry about obama being “the messiah”. gawd is that annoying.

anyway, peeps like yourself, and this other guy, who clearly wish the state of our union would improve significantly, need to stick together. we cannot fight amongst ourselves, because we need to save the rest of the lemmings from running themselves (and us) right off the cliff.

we must vote out all corrupt politicians, and identify trustworthy progressives to take their place. we can do this. we can take our govt. back. i know we hoped obama would be the guy, but apparently not. there's still too many sharks in the pool. it was a good first step to replace repubs with dems, now we replace dems with progressives.

hang in there brother! look for my smart-a remarx at huffington post dot com

Awesome! While I'm against cynicism, how can one not be when all Americans can do is attack each other? While there are some HUGE generalizations in what you say, the essence is absolutely correct. I can't live in the States anymore because no one -ABSOLUTELY NO ONE can get their sh#t together! I've unfortunately become a nihilist -the sooner the US falls apart completely the better for the rest of the world. My biggest fear? China being the next world leader.

Bush was no angel either. I also felt strongly that both Mc Cain and Obama are not worthy for the house. Great choices. I wouldnt care what he or she looked like. I just wanted someone in office that knew what and how to run our country. To stop cheating many of us out of the money we make. The change I wanted was not to put my guns up. But to help the USA and to have a better life. I wanted change but not this crap-o-la

It was very overt sarcasm… they're merely restating the Republican talking points in order to show how ridiculous they sound

Yeah, really…thank God we have someone who volunteers to serve his country just so he can get standing to sue the Government and claim the President of the United States isn't legitimate.

I'm sure all of those parents of Marines who died in battle are a little prouder today.

Yeah, really…thank God we have someone who volunteers to serve his country just so he can get standing to sue the Government and claim the President of the United States isn't legitimate.

I'm sure all of those parents of Marines who died in battle are a little prouder today.

…and yet you've never served in our armed forces.

Yeah, really…thank God we have someone who volunteers to serve his country just so he can get standing to sue the Government and claim the President of the United States isn't legitimate.

I'm sure all of those parents of Marines who died in battle are a little prouder today.

WHY WOULD HE WANT THIS ALL TO GO AWAY?? It just highlights what a bunch of radical, paranoid wing-nuts the right wing is comprised of!

Please, take to the streets with torches and pitch forks! Have a million man march on Washington! Refuse to serve in the military! Refuse to pay taxes or fill out a census questionnaire! Try to secede! Y'all are awesome!

Yeah, really…thank God we have someone who volunteers to serve his country just so he can get standing to sue the Government and claim the President of the United States isn't legitimate.

I'm sure all of those parents of Marines who died in battle are a little prouder today.

I recall reading things that were often critical of Pres. Bush.
His supporters would more often than not retort with – “If you don't like it get out!”
The proverbial shoe has switched locations.
So to all of Pres. Obama's detractors – if you don't like it get out!

Wow, this is good evidence of the racist backbone of this movement.

If you're actually an Obama supporter then think this through. He already did submit eligibility requirements. The question is what, and to whom. Anyone who runs for President already goes through the most intensive background check that any individual in the country has to undergo. They of course inspect all records pertaining to citizenship. So this is already done. It just is not handed over to your political opponents. The FBI does the checking. You may remember the closed session on day 3 of the Sotomayor hearings. That is when the FBI and the Senators met with Sotomayor to go over her FBI background investigation. There are many such meetings for any Presidential candidate.

The point is that no matter what Obama shows these people, they will not be satisfied. They will just say, as they have, that the documents are fakes and that everyone who looked at them is just part of the conspiracy. It's lunacy.

But you cannot give in to these dolts or they will just hijack the agenda and nothing will get done because you'll spend all your time trying to satisfy them that President Obama is not a _________. And when you debunk one thing they'll invent another.

I don't disagree, Maribelle, but that's not really the issue here. The issue is people claiming that Obama IS NOT a United States citizen, and that he has provided no evidence of his citizenship. It is this persistent lie circulated among the nuttiest of wingnuts, and it devalues the Office of the President.

Look, I despised George W. Bush's presidency, but I also couldn't stand it when I heard fellow libs say, “He's not MY president.” If you are a citizen of this country, THE president is YOUR president. To say something to the contrary is, to me, unpatriotic and insulting to our country. So too is it with the birthers.

I don't think you're completely wrong about the eligibility requirements. But that's not why they don't like Barack Hussein Obama II. I mean, just look at that name. Look at what circulated during the campaign. Look what CONTINUES to circulate. It is an intrinsic feeling of bigotry, plain and simple, and it makes my country, and me, look like less than we are when such a position is furthered.

I said this before, but I'll say it again: They wouldn't like Hillary, either, but they'd never question whether or not she's a natural-born American citizen. Why? Because, despite their loathing of her, at least she's got the same skin color.

Interesting note: conscientious objectors are those who refuse to be drafted into the military. Former Major Stefan signed up, volunteered to fight and then when asked to go, refused. That's cowardice, not CO.

This is exactly why we will give Obama the full 8 years he needs to fix Bush's mess. This next case will be thrown out like all of the others, the Supreme Court already ruled. Like they said in the article it has simply become an 'urban legend.' I think the Republicans forget they are being ran out of office and don't have nearly enough votes to do anything, this is another reason why we have all decided to give Obama 8 full years to do his job.

We will stop when we see the original certificate and not a minute sooner. Name calling wll not work.

dude, your logic is flawed. i do understand, that a cake of cups is not the same as a cupcake. but a certificate of live birth IS a birth certificate. that is what the state of HI issues. that's it.

he put the picture up for the public, because he can't very well mail is cert around the globe. he most certainly did not give the secret service the web URL when they were vetting him for candidacy.

come on man, use your head: if there was a way to expose this, THEY WOULD HAVE.

now get to work on checking if your congressman is on the take. that's the real crime going on. if so, write every day and scream at them on the phone.

Well I see you are very good with words and I must say. I do agree with you stephenperry.
Congrads to you. I am not a repub nor a dem. I just want what is right for all and will continue to speak my mind and fight for my rights as well as others. I will never give up!!

Black liberation theology will not fix the economy, a president who has business experience might.

Fuck off. Don't you dare say anything about wanting to “help the USA and to have a better life.”

And don't ever say anything about putting your guns up. The Red Raiders would have nothing to do with you. Texas Tech is not Harvard but it is American through and through. You are not. Racism has no place in America. Neither does using a pretext of stupidity to further one's racist cause.

President George W Bush or President Obama?

Then it's time you got out and did something about it. If you don't like it, that's fine, but, just as I'd say to my leftist brethren, protests are only a tiny piece of the puzzle. And sitting here complaining about it isn't helping anything.

You want change YOU can believe in? Be that change. Seek out people, specifically candidates, who believe what you believe. Write letters. Participate in the protests, but go beyond them. Discuss your issues with as many people as you can. Tell them what your solutions are.

Don't just TALK about change — LIVE change.

Uh POTUS has to submit evidence of eligibility too.

So Obama did.

He passed.

Thanks for playing.

Obama should put it to rest and give his “real” birth certificate. problem solved,

Come on Obama, lets see the $12 original, then we will leave you alone, but Not a minute sooner.

I promise to call you a lot of really colorful names if you'll promise to keep this nonsense up. It's the surest way I can think of for the Democrats to increase their majority in the Senate, increase their stranglehold in the House, and put a second coat of BLACK paint on the White House. (Did I scare you with that? Sorry!)

How about reason and logic? Will that work? Likely no.

Once again – for the slow kids…you will never…I repeat, never…see anyone's real birth certificate. Any birth certificate you see is always a certified copy. Always. Period. End of Story.

Somehow I think that if President Obama personally went to Hawai'i, got the real certificate, autographed it and sent it to kelleyye in Crazy Town…that you a) wouldn't believe it, and b) hate him because he doesn't look like you.

Oh…if you only put this much energy into getting a good education. The places you would go!!

Right, because business is just BOOMING in the US right now.

If I were on the Republican side I'd shut up…simply because if Obama has to step out Joe Bidden steps in. Let it go girls!

If I were on the Republican side I'd shut up…simply because if Obama has to step out Joe Bidden steps in. Let it go girls!

Name calling never will work. Proof is proof. I dont think that is to much to ask for. I wanted Obama to be the best he could be, no mater if he was a leftest or righty. I didnt know we would loose our rights as fast as he has accomplished. I again will never give up my weapons and will kill anyone who tries. I will go with the consitution. Its the AMERICAN WAY.

He's provided evidence. Do you have contrary evidence?

One more time, everybody, sing along! “The burden of proof is on the accuser.”

Prove that he's trying to take your guns.

That's right, you can't, because he isn't. Thanks for yet more proof that birthers are morons. The pile of evidence is getting really tall.

Ah, I didn't realize the distinction. Interesting!

You agree with me? What? You mean we both think that every breath you take is just a waste of oxygen that could have been better spent air-drying a convicted felon's scrotum after he showers?

Wow. I didn't know we were on the same page. There's still no hope for you. But at least now you're starting to see reason.

Oh, you mean like the guy who couldn't find oil in Texas in the 70's and 80's?

*snicker*

Who is trying to take your weapons away?

And why do you have weapons in the first place?

Frankly, that'd be my dream. I <3 Joe.

what's wrong with the certificate provided by the hawaii dept of health?

who is this “we”? and why do you believe you have a right to see the original?

there is someone appointed to see the original. the secret service vetting staff. they check on this stuff. and they did see the original. and they were satisfied. why don't you trust their judgement? what makes you a better authenticator than the secret service?

also, the health dept. official in HI who issues the certs says it is authentic. why don't you trust the issuing agency? what makes you a higher authority than the issuing office?

two govt. agencies have confirmed he was born in HI. what real evidence to you have to argue to the contrary? not hearsay, not rumor, real evidence? i know you have none, because there is none. please open your mouth and take a large bite of a reality samwich. chew slowly. savor it. ahhh. feel better?

Proof is proof. Except when it proves you wrong. Then you just lie some more.

If you will go with the Constitution, then tell us why you keep ignoring everything it says.

I would spit in your face if you tried to tell me jack shit about the American Way. You have no fucking clue what that phrase means. Crawl back under your rock. We have a proud and decent country to participate in.

You are righ. Joe would step in. It would be worse. We all need to stand united and work and vote for the things you, me and everyone else that is reading these words. This is our rights. We will vote tell we cant vote no more. I wont let it go girl!! I will continue to speak freely and express my thoughts to everyone who reads this. I simply want my country back. I want with is right. I will never just simply let it go as you say. No.

It doesn't say what the birthers want it to say. Namely, that a nigg*r cannot be President of the United States.

Other than that, nothing at all. Thanks for asking.

You're scary if you wish Biden was President. Please someone take away your voter registration card.

These lunatics better find something more useful for their precious time.Before coming to America Obama's father was already married with children and so couldn't have taken his mother to Kenya for the delivery of Obama.If this had happened Obama's mother upon return to America would have denounced him.But there is no record of this.
The likes of Alan Keyes will never get over their defeat by Obama.Especially so with Alan Keyes 'cause he has the keys to hell.

But we'll just say it is a fake and keep posting nonsense. Dude – He did. Why did Chief Justice Roberts deliver President Obama the oath of POTUS? Why didn't he refuse. Any SC justice can deliver the oath. Do you think he is in on it? And who is the cigarette man?

and when has he said he was taking away people's guns?

what are you referring to? what rights have we lost? what weapons have been taken? please provide links.

we have lost no rights. nothing has been taken. you are not making any sense.

Come on von. Why dont any of you understand that all Obama has to do is show his Birth Certificate (not his Certificate of Live Birth) and all this goes away. ITS THAT SIMPLE!

Okay, first of all, I'm happy that you want to work to get what you want, but for the love of God, please stop mangling the English language.

Express your thoughts all you want, but it would help your cause a hell of a lot more if you would get up off your butt, get out from behind the computer screen, and go out into the world.

I'm just sayin'…

Do you think we really walked on the moon?

You want your country back? Hmmm, 1956 is gone and it's not coming back. Mayberry only exists on DVD now.

OUR country is right here. We finally took it back on January 20. What, were you out taking a whizz or something? It was a pretty big day. You can probably find some YouTube clips. Look for the black guy putting his hand on the Bible and swearing to uphold the Constitution. There's a lot of armed uniformed police around him and yet he's not under arrest. Shouldn't be hard to find.

Whats wrong with it is that its not a Birth Certificate. A certificate of live birth is NOT a birth certificate. There is a difference

Well said, dude.

Thanks to George Bush for this economy Obama was handed down. We all knew it would take Obama 8 FULL years to fix Bush's mess, and that's what we've all decided to give him, Democrats have united into one power. Republicans statistically don't even have close to the amount of votes needed to say other wise.

By his own statements, Obama has said he is “native citizen” and not a “natural born citizen”. baed on his “dual citizenship”, and therefore – he is NOT eligible to legally hold the office of President. We cannot dismiss this fundamental fact.

OBAMA IS NOT ABOVE OUR CONSTITUTION.

You dream about Biden?

There was to many items that was tested on this on from the department of health. As a matter of fact I to made one for me and it does look so very real. I now question it. I wish I was smarter to figure out who did this to Obama, and why? I feel so strongly that some one some where has made this out to be very damaging to us all. Like I said, I dont care who runs for office, just please take care of the Americans first, then help who ever needs help. I was shocked to see his place of birth. I was shocked to see how poorly the certificate was put
together.

this is not about a defeat of obama. it's strictly about keeping the masses divided. anything they can do to keep the working class fighting with each other, keeps our eyes off of their deception and greed. this is how they fleeced us out of all that money!

we the working class must unite against the elite. we must stop buying into every lie they feed us. they say they're on your side as a “conservative” but they are not. they will sell you out in a heartbeat. they're sending your jobs overseas and laying off your neighbors every day.

we must come together to realize its us vs. them. greedy elites must be voted out of office. we must identify trustworthy progressives to take our congress back. this is the only way we will be the America that our founding fathers created for us, and our patriots died for.

Actually, I am quite puzzled why President Obama would rather pay attorneys in LA over $1 Million dollars to seal his birth certificate, his college records, his doctor's records….yet he blasted McCain for not releasing his complete medical history.

Seems a smart business man would pay $50 to the state of Hawaii for a Certificate of Live Birth vs. paying $1 Million to try and keep everything withheld.