‘Birther’ Movement Dogs Republicans

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Friday, July 17, 2009 at 6:00 am
Kris Kobach campaigns in Wichita, Kans. (YouTube: WichitaLiberty)

Kris Kobach campaigns in Wichita, Kans. (YouTube: WichitaLiberty)

Kris Kobach is a law professor with degrees from Harvard, Yale and Oxford, and a veteran of George W. Bush’s administration who, after Sept. 11, helped craft the policy on domestic registration of foreign visitors to the United States. In May, he announced a run for Kansas secretary of state, campaigning for photo ID requirements at the voting booth. He’s considered a clear front-runner for the job. But over the weekend, Kobach spoke at a Republican Party barbecue and committed a minor gaffe. According to the Lawrence Journal-World, Kobach “asked what President Obama and God had in common, with the punchline being neither has a birth certificate.”

Image by: Matt Mahurin

Image by: Matt Mahurin

Kansas Democrats pounced. “While Kris Kobach has in the past associated himself with extremists who frequently show poor taste,” said state Democratic Party Executive Director Kenny Johnston, “his latest attempt at humor has gone too far.” Kobach told the Democrats to “lighten up” before walking back the comment, explaining that “until a court says otherwise, I believe Barack Obama is a natural-born citizen.”

Kobach could have offered another defense. The joke was not his. One month earlier, Rush Limbaugh made the same remark on his radio show. “Barack Obama has one thing in common with God,” Limbaugh said. “Know what it is? God does not have a birth certificate either.” And Limbaugh may not have been writing his own material, either. At Patriot Depot, a conservative web site that sells books by Glenn Beck and signs designed for anti-tax Tea Parties, buyers can pay $10 to get two bumper stickers that read: “Obama & God Have ONLY ONE THING in Common: NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE! The Difference Is God Doesn’t Think He’s Obama!”According to a salesman for Patriot Depot, the company has sold “hundreds” of this and another birth certificate sticker since advertising them with the conservative opinion sites GOPUSA.com and Townhall.com.

Six months into Obama’s presidency, after scores of embarrassing legal defeats, and even after tussles between the attoneys who’ve turned frivolous lawsuits about the president’s citizenship into full-time jobs, the cottage industry of conspiracy theories about the president’s birth shows no signs of disappearing. The theories have found a home in talk radio and on conservative web sites such as Free Republic and WorldNetDaily. Conspiracy theorists are increasingly sending letters to their local papers, embarrassing members of Congress at town hall meetings, and hounding Hill staffers about challenges to the president’s citizenship.

“I wouldn’t consider what Kris Kobach said a ‘gaffe,’ although it wasn’t a prudent comment,” said William B. Lacy, director of the Robert J. Dole Institute of Politics at the University of Kansas. “It’s not at the root of the complaint that conservative [Republicans] have with this administration. In essence, what any Republican is doing by raising that issue is creating his or her own red herring. Kobach is probably okay here, but there’s a certain danger, I think, if it becomes something you repeat on a continuous basis.”

There’s no indication that the White House is worried about all of this. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs has occasionally called on Lester Kinsolving, a radio host and correspondent for WorldNetDaily, to air the latest theories about the president’s citizenship as a way of defusing tense press briefings. While “birthers” claim that the president’s lawyers have spent “hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars” fighting their lawsuits, they’ve never provided evidence for that claim. Indeed, most of the suits have been tossed out of court on technicalities.

Ironically, the ‘birther’ movement began in response to Obama’s own efforts to debunk rumors. One year ago this week, the presidential campaign of then-Sen. Barack Obama launched FightTheSmears.com, a web site designed to push back against false rumors about the first African-American presidential nominee. To push back against rumors that he was not born in Hawaii, the campaign reproduced a Certificate of Live Birth from the state’s Health Department. Instead of terminating the conspiracy theories, that inspired new theories — that the certificate had been forged or that even if it hadn’t been forged it was the sort of certificate that could be given to someone born outside of the United States. But the certificate is specific about Obama’s birth in Honolulu, down to the 7:24 p.m. time.

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

The urban legend has become too pervasive for Republicans to avoid. In February, Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.) introduced a much-mocked bill that would require presidential campaigns to provide “a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate.” While Posey initially said that he disbelieved conspiracy theories about the president’s birth, he told the host of an Internet radio show that he’d discussed the possibility of Obama being removed from office over “the eligibility issue” with “high-ranking members of our Judiciary Committee.” As of July 15, nine fellow Republican members of Congress were backing the bill. While Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-Texas) has said that he supports the bill because he didn’t know whether Obama was a citizen, other sponsors say that they weighed in to pour cold water on the conspiracy theories.

“It’s a good idea,” said John Donnelly, a spokesman for Rep. Dan Burton (R-Ind.), who became one of the bill’s co-sponsors this month. “If candidates provided that information to the Federal Election Commission you wouldn’t have all this hullaballoo. You don’t want to needlessly expose presidents to crazy conspiracy theories.

At the state level, “birther” conspiracy theorists have made headway in getting Republican lawmakers interested in legislation like Posey’s. At least four Republican members of Missouri’s state legislature have looked into introducing a similar bill. State Sen. Randy Brogdon (R-Okla.) who is running for governor of Oklahoma in 2010, said that he’d co-sponsor birth certificate legislation if it made it out of the state senate and would “definitely” sign the bill if he won the governorship.

“You bet I’d sign it,” said Brodgon. “I know I’d have no problem showing my birth certificate.”

The Republicans who appear to be willing to listen to “birthers,” even to debunk them, have to walk a tightrope. In April, freshman Rep. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) held a town hall meeting at her old high school in Cheyenne, Wyo., and got a question about the president’s citizenship. Lummis challenged the skeptic to “please send” evidence that the president was not a natural-born citizen. “I’m not questioning your concern,” Lummis said. “I am questioning whether there is credible evidence.” In early July, a small group of “birthers” walked the halls of Congress handing “grand jury presentments” over to the confused front desk assistants of members of Congress; the activists rushed online to report the latest member who had been “handed” the information. After “birthers” provided some of their papers to Michael Schwartz, the chief of staff to Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), they rushed online to report that Schwartz had been won over to the cause and was about to get in touch with Orly Taitz, a California lawyer who has filed several unsuccessful challenges to the president’s citizenship.

“It is possible to mistake politeness for agreement,” Schwartz told TWI, “and I make every effort to be polite.” He did have a “brief conversation with Dr. Taitz,” but challenged the way online “birthers” had hyped their contact with Coburn’s office. “An observer would not report it quite like this,” said Schwartz.

Taitz’s lawsuits and the pressure of conservative talkers like Limbaugh have made it increasingly difficult for Republicans to avoid the “birthers.” On June 16, after Limbaugh joked about the president’s citizenship, WorldNetDaily editor-in-chief Joseph Farah appeared on the Web-based Recharge Radio to thank the host for spreading the “birther” message. “What that did is beyond Rush’s impact,” said Farah. “It also gives other talk show hosts license to talk about this issue … Rush is kind of the standard of talk show hosts. A lot of people emulate what he does. He crossed the Rubicon on that show, and I’m very proud of him for doing it.”

Farah’s instincts have been borne out by conservative media. This week, Taitz represented Maj. Stefan F. Cook, a reservist who volunteered for duty in Afghanistan, then demanded to be released from the commitment unless the president proved that he was a U.S. citizen. “I did not volunteer with the intent of becoming a conscientious objector,” Cook told TWI in an email. On Wednesday Cook’s deployment was cancelled, and a spokesman for Centcom took issue with Taitz’s claim, made in a WorldNetDaily story, that this decision verified conspiracy theories about the president’s birth. Later that night, Sean Hannity cited the story on his Fox News show and used Taitz’s version of the facts, not Centcom’s.

“Major Cook and his lawyer expressed joy at this outcome,” said Hannity. “And they took it as an admission on the part of the military that the president is not in fact a legitimate citizen by birth.”

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Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

is that all the socialists can say, “Anyone who disagrees is nuts. “? If there is nothing to hide why hide it? Why did the dispicable governor of Hawaii not allow any requests for the birth certificate? (ANS: She is a Democrat). Wake up Wendy child born to US military family while overseas is a Natural born US citizen. Does the fact that the President is black mean he can ignore the law? Please get off the race thing! His own aunt said he was born in Kenya and she was there.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

i call parody, the gov of hawaii is a republican.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Lingle


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

When YOU have “facts” to discuss, come back. Until then STFU!!
All you have are kooky conspiracy theories.


edge
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

But that won’t satisfy people will it? It’ll be just dismissed as a forgery. I mean the groundwork has already been laid to dismiss any and all additional evidence. So, either you buy into this wrack-job theory, ample evidence has been provided, or you don’t and never will because it all be “forged”.

face it, at it’s base this is a racist argument. Obama does not look like McCain, Bush, Cheney, Gore, Kerry, Clinton, Dole, Bush, Dukakas, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon…, and so he must be a foreigner. Did anyone seriously question the citizenship of any of these candidates? did anyone demand the “long form” “vault copy” or the freaking holy grail? No. Because they where safe looking white guys.

grow the eff up.


edge
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

But that won’t satisfy people will it? It’ll be just dismissed as a forgery. I mean the groundwork has already been laid to dismiss any and all additional evidence. So, either you buy into this wrack-job theory, ample evidence has been provided, or you don’t and never will because it all be “forged”.

face it, at it’s base this is a racist argument. Obama does not look like McCain, Bush, Cheney, Gore, Kerry, Clinton, Dole, Bush, Dukakas, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon…, and so he must be a foreigner. Did anyone seriously question the citizenship of any of these candidates? did anyone demand the “long form” “vault copy” or the freaking holy grail? No. Because they where safe looking white guys.

grow the eff up.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

“her attorney friend BERG, a Jewish guy”
Psst randwulf…your racism is showing.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

“her attorney friend BERG, a Jewish guy”
Psst randwulf…your racism is showing.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

With his white mother and all, isn’t Obama just as much white as he is black?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

With his white mother and all, isn’t Obama just as much white as he is black?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Actually, it may be Alan Keyes (a Black Man) who will be most instrumental in keeping this “Black man down” by the time it is all said and done. And as far as any of the other presidents are concerned, I don’t think there have been any in recent history who had a foreign parent. And why is the constitution “ridiculous”?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Actually, it may be Alan Keyes (a Black Man) who will be most instrumental in keeping this “Black man down” by the time it is all said and done. And as far as any of the other presidents are concerned, I don’t think there have been any in recent history who had a foreign parent. And why is the constitution “ridiculous”?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

Why won’t Cheney admit to being gay? I heard from a number of people that he was definitely gay.
When is he going to give us the proof that he isn’t? His word doesn’t mean anything nor does the fact that he’s married. I want written proof from a reliable source in the government that he isn’t gay.
Can you prove he’s not?
Did you also know that Cheney’s maternal grandmother was black? It is hushed up for the conservatives. Can you prove me wrong? And do you think I will believe you?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

Why won’t Cheney admit to being gay? I heard from a number of people that he was definitely gay.
When is he going to give us the proof that he isn’t? His word doesn’t mean anything nor does the fact that he’s married. I want written proof from a reliable source in the government that he isn’t gay.
Can you prove he’s not?
Did you also know that Cheney’s maternal grandmother was black? It is hushed up for the conservatives. Can you prove me wrong? And do you think I will believe you?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Oh! Alan Keyes! He’s someone to look up to and believe! Yeah, right!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Oh! Alan Keyes! He’s someone to look up to and believe! Yeah, right!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Name calling again? LONG FORM. LONG FORM, LONG FORM.

WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT?

If you are annoyed, go listen to your Beetles albums some more and STFU! Stay out of the debate! Stick your head in the sand! OR learn to debate facts. Don’t just be personally abusive. That is the way spoiled brats argue. Notice I didn’t say debate.
Obama is a f@cking liar. Get over it.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Name calling again? LONG FORM. LONG FORM, LONG FORM.

WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT? WHERE IS IT?

If you are annoyed, go listen to your Beetles albums some more and STFU! Stay out of the debate! Stick your head in the sand! OR learn to debate facts. Don’t just be personally abusive. That is the way spoiled brats argue. Notice I didn’t say debate.
Obama is a f@cking liar. Get over it.


Lava Lee Pyre
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:47 am

OK, 24aheaddotcom: the director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health has stated on the record that the State of Hawaii verifies the place of birth before it puts it on the COLB. Obama's COLB states he was born in Honolulu, The State of Hawaii verifies the place of birth. That pretty much makes swiss cheese out of most of your theories.

What do you have left? An international conspiracy 40 years in the making?
How much time did you waste on this issue?
What will you complain about now?


logicprobe
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

“The so-called “long form” original is a state record and under state law cannot be made available to the public.”

It can’t be made available to the public, but an individual person can get a copy of his/her own “long form” birth certificate. I ordered one from the Department of Health where I was born so I could get a passport a few years ago. It has all sorts of information, including both parents’ birthdates, etc.


logicprobe
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

“The so-called “long form” original is a state record and under state law cannot be made available to the public.”

It can’t be made available to the public, but an individual person can get a copy of his/her own “long form” birth certificate. I ordered one from the Department of Health where I was born so I could get a passport a few years ago. It has all sorts of information, including both parents’ birthdates, etc.


Bob
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

Well they obviously taught you wrong in school. In 1961 , the law stated that she had to have spent 5 years living in the US after the age of 14 in order to pass on US citizenship to a child born out of the US.. She was 18 when he was born. Thus, she did not meet the criteria to pass on US citizenship. So you are WRONG when you say he is a citizen no matter where he was born. He is only a citizen if he was born in the US


Bob
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

Well they obviously taught you wrong in school. In 1961 , the law stated that she had to have spent 5 years living in the US after the age of 14 in order to pass on US citizenship to a child born out of the US.. She was 18 when he was born. Thus, she did not meet the criteria to pass on US citizenship. So you are WRONG when you say he is a citizen no matter where he was born. He is only a citizen if he was born in the US


Terry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

A “Certificate of Live Birth” is NOT the long-form birth certificate (the real document at issue).

Why won’t 0bama simply do the right thing and provide it? Where there’s smoke…


Terry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

A “Certificate of Live Birth” is NOT the long-form birth certificate (the real document at issue).

Why won’t 0bama simply do the right thing and provide it? Where there’s smoke…


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Obama is not black. He’s white.
By your logic, if you can call him black because he’s half black, I can call him white because he’s half white.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Obama is not black. He’s white.
By your logic, if you can call him black because he’s half black, I can call him white because he’s half white.


Jwm
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

Then go get it yourself. Just because I want something doesn’t mean it has to be provided. Go get it yourself.


Jwm
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

Then go get it yourself. Just because I want something doesn’t mean it has to be provided. Go get it yourself.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Obama won.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Obama won.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

Let me clear this up: I am saying BOTH that 1) the argument is utter, sheer, treasonous nonsense, and 2) that you’re a conspiracy-believing, tin-foil-hat-wearing, knuckle-dragging un-American pinhead. You have chosen to ignore the rule of law of this fine nation, a beacon of democracy to the world, making you an enemy of everything America stands for.

All you need to know is that EVERY COURT THAT HAS EXAMINED ANY OF THIS HORSESHIT HAS COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION: It’s sheer, utter hogwash, and our President needs to do nothing more about it… no school records, no photo of the ‘vault copy’ of his birth records, NADA.

The Supreme Court of this nation, the same court that decided that Bush won the 2000 election, REFUSED TO EVEN HEAR THE CASE. That means they believed it had no merit whatsoever. Get it? The Chief Justice, a lifelong conservative, swore Mr. Obama in. There’s nothing being hidden. No conspiracy. Swamp gas; that’s all.

Either accept the hard, provable fact that the President was born in Hawaii, and remain the above-delineated pinhead, or join the sane, law-abiding world.

At that time I would be glad to personally, publicly declare you a non-pinhead, and fully retract my statement.

And as for ad hominem attacks being a “lefty” thing, consider how many wingnuts attack the fact of global warming by pointing out that Al Gore is a doofus.

The Right Wing doesn’t have a TOTAL monopoly on ad hominem fallacies, hate-mongering, racism, hypocrisy, immorality, and corruption… but let’s just say they have a ‘strong position’ in the market.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

Let me clear this up: I am saying BOTH that 1) the argument is utter, sheer, treasonous nonsense, and 2) that you’re a conspiracy-believing, tin-foil-hat-wearing, knuckle-dragging un-American pinhead. You have chosen to ignore the rule of law of this fine nation, a beacon of democracy to the world, making you an enemy of everything America stands for.

All you need to know is that EVERY COURT THAT HAS EXAMINED ANY OF THIS HORSESHIT HAS COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION: It’s sheer, utter hogwash, and our President needs to do nothing more about it… no school records, no photo of the ‘vault copy’ of his birth records, NADA.

The Supreme Court of this nation, the same court that decided that Bush won the 2000 election, REFUSED TO EVEN HEAR THE CASE. That means they believed it had no merit whatsoever. Get it? The Chief Justice, a lifelong conservative, swore Mr. Obama in. There’s nothing being hidden. No conspiracy. Swamp gas; that’s all.

Either accept the hard, provable fact that the President was born in Hawaii, and remain the above-delineated pinhead, or join the sane, law-abiding world.

At that time I would be glad to personally, publicly declare you a non-pinhead, and fully retract my statement.

And as for ad hominem attacks being a “lefty” thing, consider how many wingnuts attack the fact of global warming by pointing out that Al Gore is a doofus.

The Right Wing doesn’t have a TOTAL monopoly on ad hominem fallacies, hate-mongering, racism, hypocrisy, immorality, and corruption… but let’s just say they have a ‘strong position’ in the market.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

OK, MORE NAME CALLING!! That’s wonderful kids! You are all so witty.

That’s all fun and stuff but back to the issue. OK?

The question is “WHY DOESN’T OBAMA HIMSELF AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE LONG FORM TO SHOW HE IS A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN?” Or any kind of a US citizen for that matter.

This reason he won’t is because it will show no place of birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA!!! Pretty simple. He was born and bred a KENYAN. Alright?

Further, it is only a matter of time before one, single, federal judge, with some B@LLS, somewhere in one of the many lawsuits working this issue will allow discovery to go forward. And then, we shall see, what we shall see. I already know what we will see. We will see what Mr. Obama has prevented and will continue to try to prevent us seeing at all cost. We will see that he is in no way, shape of form a US citizen. He never was. He is an illegal alien. He will be removed from office. Oh, yeah, BTW, McCain produced all of his records on request. Even his dental records were included.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

OK, MORE NAME CALLING!! That’s wonderful kids! You are all so witty.

That’s all fun and stuff but back to the issue. OK?

The question is “WHY DOESN’T OBAMA HIMSELF AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE LONG FORM TO SHOW HE IS A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN?” Or any kind of a US citizen for that matter.

This reason he won’t is because it will show no place of birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA!!! Pretty simple. He was born and bred a KENYAN. Alright?

Further, it is only a matter of time before one, single, federal judge, with some B@LLS, somewhere in one of the many lawsuits working this issue will allow discovery to go forward. And then, we shall see, what we shall see. I already know what we will see. We will see what Mr. Obama has prevented and will continue to try to prevent us seeing at all cost. We will see that he is in no way, shape of form a US citizen. He never was. He is an illegal alien. He will be removed from office. Oh, yeah, BTW, McCain produced all of his records on request. Even his dental records were included.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Obama’s sister does have an Hawaii COLB even though she was born in Indonesia, however the certificate does state that she was born in Indonesia and there are no newspaper archives announcing her birth in Hawaii, like there was for Obama.

Unless of course, Obama’s mother was planning for him to to become President nearly 50 years later, and she thought he would need to prove that he was born somewhere, so she somehow managed to get the Doctors and the hospital in Hawaii as well as the Hawaiian newspapers to record his birth.
Wow, so many people involved in this enormous scheme just so a non-white man could lead the U.S. Imagine?
Well, I guess if they are all they smart and capable then they deserve it. After all, the conservatives have scared off any intelligent Republicons out of their party. I would rather have something that was hatched lead the country than the whacko’s who are in charge of the new Republicon party..


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Obama’s sister does have an Hawaii COLB even though she was born in Indonesia, however the certificate does state that she was born in Indonesia and there are no newspaper archives announcing her birth in Hawaii, like there was for Obama.

Unless of course, Obama’s mother was planning for him to to become President nearly 50 years later, and she thought he would need to prove that he was born somewhere, so she somehow managed to get the Doctors and the hospital in Hawaii as well as the Hawaiian newspapers to record his birth.
Wow, so many people involved in this enormous scheme just so a non-white man could lead the U.S. Imagine?
Well, I guess if they are all they smart and capable then they deserve it. After all, the conservatives have scared off any intelligent Republicons out of their party. I would rather have something that was hatched lead the country than the whacko’s who are in charge of the new Republicon party..


Ryan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

this is moronic tripe. where do you folks come from?


Ryan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

this is moronic tripe. where do you folks come from?


trueblue
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Ah right – ignoring a moron means the moron must be right? lol


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

Maybe you should read the article. The Hawaii official who was qouted said that yes, you can get a COLB from Hawaii if you were born somewhere else, but You CANNOT get a COLB that says you were born in Hawaii if you were born somewhere else.

This is a perfect example of just how uninformed and nutty you birthers are. You take one fact (that anyone can get a COLB from Hawaii) and omit the information that would put that fact in the proper context (That the COLB can only state that you were born in Hawaii if you were in fact born in Hawaii).

This is why Obama is ignoring you, you aren’t in posession of the facts, and you choose to believe only what you want to believe, and most of what you believe is completely made up.


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

I think these birthers are not as crazy as they seem. They have an agenda like many others on the right. They can not accept the fact that Obama was elected. All of the effort they put into denying people the vote and manipulating the outcome didn’t work and they can not accept the outcome. Disqualifying him is only one of their options. If that fails then a coup is next, many have backed the overthrow of a democratic government in central america. Can they use this as a rational to overthrow this marxist-socialist president? I don’t think they will succeed but they may try. Their last option is the most disturbing and dangerous, assassination. This is the reactionary response of cowards and bullies when they can’t get their way. We have already seen feeble attempts, luckily Obama is well protected. The murder of the police officers and the people in church was the result of these terrorists inability to hit their real target, Obama.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

I feel sorry for the truly ignorant, but I won’t waste my time with the willfully ignorant…………


blurch
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

He was probably referring to the 7 territories, stupid.


Ryan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

putting it in CAPS makes it more true.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

HEY F@CK OFF with all your name calling!! Now read this.OK,

The question is “WHY DOESN’T OBAMA HIMSELF AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE LONG FORM TO SHOW HE IS A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN?” Or any kind of a US citizen for that matter.

This reason he won’t is because it will show no place of birth in Honolulu, Hawaii, USA!!! Pretty simple. He was born and bred a KENYAN. Alright?

Further, it is only a matter of time before one, single, federal judge, with some B@LLS, somewhere in one of the many lawsuits working this issue will allow discovery to go forward. And then, we shall see, what we shall see. I already know what we will see. We will see what Mr. Obama has prevented and will continue to try to prevent us seeing at all cost. We will see that he is in no way, shape of form a US citizen. He never was. He is an illegal alien. He will be removed from office. Oh, yeah, BTW, McCain produced all of his records on request. Even his dental records were included.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Where were you all before the elections? Don’t you all have anything else better to do for the American citizens?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Because he doesn’t have to. He has provided all of the documentation required to prove his birth in any court of law.


Ryan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

find something different to be crazy about.


madmainer
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

It would resolve nothing for the Birthers, just give them more information to question.

Is the doctor alive? dead? Did he forge his name? How many calls do you think this doctor would receive from Birthers?

Birthers would ask for records concerning the address… Is there any proof Obama actually LIVED there… on and on…

No producing that document would do nothing to the Birther movement except provide more ways to try and question his legitimacy.

The simple fact is that HE was vetted and is now sworn in. The burden of proof now resides with you Birthers. He does not have to in any way facilitate your investigation. If you have no proof then you have no argument.

Please provide physical evidence that Obama is not a natural born citizen… Until such time that you can… you really have no reason to utter another word on the matter. Everything at this point the Birthers say is conjecture and meaningless.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

factcheck is in the pocket of the Messiah!!!111 dont you know???? AFRICAN ZOMG!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

Ah. So you’ve chosen to remain an America-hating scofflaw conspiracy nut and an official pinhead.

I am saddened by your choice.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

According to his superiors, it is because he is in the volunteer reserves and has the right to volunteer or reject a particular assignment. His assignment was already withdrawn before he thought he could get a lot of publicity for it.

Perhaps he wasn’t aware in May when he actually volunteered for the assignment that Obama was President.
Face it, the guy got cold feet and latched onto a hairbrained excuse. I say it is good that the brave soldiers in Afghanistan don’t have to rely on a nutcase like him.


HowardOF
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

Ah, another one of the idiot right wing’s misrepresentations. Obama said 57 CONTESTS, not States. I know it’s hard for little Right Winger minds to grasp, but there are elections in the US territories too.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

Try looking up some facts readily available. Since Maj is a reservist he only has to notify the military that he has changed his mind and doesn’t have to go. That is what proves that this is a ploy. He asked to go to active duty AFTER Obama became President and then a month later said he wouldn’t go because Obama wasn’t eligible to be President. A publicity stunt.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Gee, “Saint” John McCain didn’t refuse any of these either., and he was born in Panama. What do you mean by ‘manufactured puppet’? I think If you look up fasicsm, you’ll see a picture of Cheney and Bush, not Obama.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

Obama does not have to prove anything to anyone about the validity of his citizenship.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Excellent synopsis. The burden is indeed on these nutjobs to produce PROOF, not on the president.


jahyarain
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

2 be a tyrant, my uneducated friend, one must take away rights (Patriot Act), lie 2 keep control (the war machine), surpress education (NCLB, the piggy cry of “the educated are elitists!”), and control the exchange of information (fox “news”, “it’s a Liberal media!!!!”).

we all know who WASN’T ever really President. let’s just call him “w”. since neither you nor he have sense enough 2 spell out his name. put the am radio down and pick up a book, traitor.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

the birfers are huge fans of the CAPZ LOCK POSSE!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

You, my friend, are a conspiracy-believing, tin-foil-hat-wearing, knuckle-dragging un-American pinhead. You have chosen to ignore the rule of law of this fine nation, a beacon of democracy to the world, making you an enemy of everything America stands for.

All you need to know is that EVERY COURT THAT HAS EXAMINED ANY OF THIS HORSESHIT HAS COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION: It’s sheer, utter hogwash, and our President needs to do nothing more about it… no school records, no photo of the ‘vault copy’ of his birth records, NADA.

The Supreme Court of this nation, the same court that decided that Bush won the 2000 election, REFUSED TO EVEN HEAR THE CASE. That means they believed it had no merit whatsoever. Get it? The Chief Justice, a lifelong conservative, swore Mr. Obama in. There’s nothing being hidden. No conspiracy. Swamp gas; that’s all.

If you don’t like and/or accept the structure of federal and state laws and the U.S.Constitution which have served us so well, that have found that Obama was born in Hawaii, then PLEASE LEAVE OUR COUNTRY and take all the other “Birfers” with you.

Our national average IQ would shoot up 20 points immediately.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

But but… that doesn’t get more blog hits!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

OK DIMWAD you say you are from Hawaii, you could get your “Long Form” if you needed it, get it! Post it on the internet back up your BS retard. I am so sick of you clown ass redneck heathens with this. The President has hid nothing! Even World Nut Daily seen it reported on it as being REAL!! But YET somehow you REICHWING retards with the VULCAN MIND MELD capablities swear up and down we are wrong. BACK UP YOU BS OR STFU PERIOD!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

LOL, not to mention Stealing the presidency. Doh!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

He volunteered to serve in Afghanistan because he knew that doing so would generate papers – specifically an order requiring him to report for his (volunteer) duty.

Then, shortly after the orders were generated, he filed his bogus lawsuit. The order requiring him to report for duty is a prerequisite to filing suit. I’m a lawyer. I’ll try to say that in english.

He could not sue until he could show that he had received orders to report. So first he had to get the orders generated. It was ALWAYS just a political set-up. His attorney has done the same thing before, with similarly spectacularly miserable results. It’s all just to score ridiculous points with the right wing lunatic fringe.

It really goes too far on many levels. Not least of which is the contempt it shows for the military AND the judicial service. You know, we ARE at war. And thousands of our bravest young men and women are fighting and dying in Afghanistan and elsewhere to preserve our freedoms. Having this no-account weasel volunteer for service under false pretenses, just so he could try to grandstand with an obviously bogus legal theory, is really more than any of us should have to sit through.

It’s bad enough that the Republicans play the race card from the bottom of the deck for four straight days with Judge Sotomayor, or that the Republicans in Congress cannot do anything except avoid answering questions about Republican sex scandals while keeping their fingers crossed that whatever Obama tries to do fails, so that America will be worse off and the GOP can get re-elected.

But when you have weasels tie up the system with fake lawsuits and make a mockery out of all those people whose tours have been extended, that’s just too much.


BrooklynGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

Did it occur to you that every court in the land that’s thus far overturned the lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate had the LEGAL authority to demand the long form birth certificate that you’re whining about? Did it dawn on you that perhaps the reason every court has rejected this lawsuit is because that evidence was already presented?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

You’re right. Obama did not right the bill, but no President does. All bills start in the House, but he will sign it; making it ultimately his decision whether it becomes law and thereby making his law in the end.

Where is the portabilty clause? I could not find one. I also could not find where accessibility to new private insurance is provided. Please let me know where it is when you find it. As I said before this is not party politics to me. If you can show me the language in the bill, I will defer.

By the way, the grandfather clause only means that you can keep what you have. But even if you have an existing policy, you will not be able to change it later (i.e.: when you change jobs or want a different private policy). The grandfather clause does not allow to get a different private policy just because you have a policy now. That’s the point that I am trying to make. Through attrition, private insurance will go away altogether over time, as people change jobs, get laid off, etc.; leaving the government plan as the only available option.


kkdalloway
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Okay, let’s apply a very elegant principle of Logics known as Occam’s Razor to this problem. Occam’s Razor says: Of two acceptable explanations for a phenomenon, the simplest one is the correct one. The two conflicting explanations here are as follows:

1. Barack Obama’s birth certificate which was created, validated, and released by the governance of the state of Hawaii is valid and in proper order and therefore confirms that he is a natural born citizen of the United States of America.

2 Barack Obama’s birth certificate which was created, validated, and released by the governance of the state of Hawaii is a fake because a. the governance of the state of Hawaii and all of the people who work in the Department of Health and in the Vital Records Department are lying and they made up a fake birth certificate and then lied and said it was valid because b. he was actually born in another country and c. his mother is not an actual citizen of the United States of American.either, and d.Obama knows he is not a natural born citizen and decided to run for President knowing he wasn’t and he is lying to all of the 306,935,543 people in the United States and all of the 6,771,696,605 people on Earth.

If you chose #1, then good for you! You are correct and this is the proper explanation for solving this problem.

If you chose #2, then DING thanks for playing, but you are a total idiot. Explanation #2 is not only illogical and ridiculous, it is downright amusing and so are you.


Donald
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

All he has to do is continue doing the wonderful job he is doing.

If Jesus Christ were to show up with the document in hand and hand it to you, you would call JC a liar.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Not only is Obama foreign born – he’s from MARS! MARS I TELL YOU! He’s an Alien! And he can dribble AND shoot. Believe it! And his fingers are like… like… duck fingers. And, and, and he’s African-Martian, that’s it. African-Martian! Do you hear me? Do you understand? Do you care? Good Lord people wake up! Do you not know what he’s capable of? DO YOU!!!??? He could… he could… preside. Preside over us. As… a… president, like. Yeah, that’s it; as a president would. He’d do things like address a failing economy, crazy stuff. If we let him. Propose health care reform… yeah, sinister stuff like that. He’s a commie too! And a socialist and a fascist and a Michael Jackson wannabe. That.

He’s, he’s, black I tell you! Black!

The fruit cakes on the right are hereby officially notified that the above was typed in jest – lest you be tempted to cut and paste somewhere.


Robert
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

McCain’s eligibility got scrutiny because he wasn’t born on US soil. Obama was.

The Republicans may have ended slavery, but after LBJ signed civil rights legislation, and Jim Crow began to end, the racist southern Democrats switched to become Republicans. Makes no difference how the GOP started, it’s the party of racists now.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

I did not know he was only a reservist. If those are the rules for reservists, then no court marshall makes sense. Thanks for the info.


BrooklynGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

Did it occur to you that every court in the land that’s thus far rejected the lawsuits over Obama’s birth certificate has the legal right to demand an authentic birth certificate from Hawaiian officials? Or are you trying to now implicate the justice system in your 45 year old conspiracy theory to elect the first African American president? Poor baby…you assume that this country would stay racist enough to reject such a possibility. But in reality…you’re the minority. Disgusting and marginalized!


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

The question is “WHY DOESN’T OBAMA HIMSELF AUTHORIZE THE RELEASE OF THE LONG FORM TO SHOW HE IS A NATIVE BORN CITIZEN?”

Because he can’t. He can get a COLB from the state, and already has. That’s all they give out.

Tell you what, birthers. You find a Hawaiian around Obama’s age, and get that person to go to the Hawaii Department of Health and request their “long form” birth certificate. If they succeed, I’ll join in on the call for Obama to request his. Of course, since Hawaii doesn’t do that, he/she won’t succeed, but I encourage you to give it a try. You can find at least one birther nut in Hawaii, can’t you?


Simpleton
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

This is why people who believe Hannity, Rush, and other such celebrities, are idiots. If you do not want to be an idiot, don’t believe such lies.

Really as simple as that.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

read what wnd.com has to say on this.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

I am not a sore loser just a concerned American. Again, if you people can’t act civil and follow the facts them something is a miss.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

If you believe the first African-American was taken at his word regarding his place of birth, you may be delusional as well as rascist.

I don’t know you, but I do know your kind, having been born and raised in the segregated South.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

Do any of you Birthers have documentation that Ann Dunham left the US at the end of her pregnancy to go to Africa? And why would ANY pregnant white American go to Africa to deliver her baby, and then return to the US to go to university a few days afterward? Sorry, it doesn’t make any sense to me. I’m sure it doesn’t make sense to you either, but racist emotions have to be fed.
Get over it, the days of white supremacy in this country are over. Good riddance, too. And I’m white!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

NO HE DIDN’T!  Check AGAIN.  There is birth certificate but HE WONT SHOW IT. Havn’t you been reading what we have been asserting?  I guess not.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

WND is an OPINION site. It is not a news site. It is OPINION.


Robert
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

“Waning credibility” LOL.

Yum yum, that’s some good irony.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

I am a racist?  How?  By stating FACTS.  WOW.  Oh, you think all white people are against Obama but that’s not true so stop unrighteously judging those who want to save this country from disaster. – Thanks!


LOLOLOLOL
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

I am afraid ignorant hicks like yourself are putting this country at greater risk. The greatest threat we face today is from within. From bigoted, neoconservative fundie nutbags like you, refusing to accept reality and to move on.

The whole movement you believe in is a right wing whack job theory meant to continue the hatred and ignorance of our past, and keep you people distracted while they continue to sabotage our country in the name of “goodness” and “morality” while selling it to you neatly packaged as being “patriotic” so that you crazy bastards will eat it up.


BG
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

Link, please, on the existence of Maya Soetero’s Hawaii COLB? Does it make a false claim about her birthplace? Proof? Because according to THIS VERY ARTICLE, you can get a Hawaii COLB but it shows your actual birthplace and requires verification.

And the document you got for your driver’s license was, by your own admission, a CERTIFIED COPY given to you by the state or county, not the original document. So you concede it’s OK for the record-keeping authority to issue you a document attesting to your birth record and not a photo of the original? Nope, the state accesses its database and spits out a piece of paper with a stamp to show that this is a reflection of the state’s records. Guess what — that’s the kind of document Obama DID order for ten bucks and put on the website.

What I’m trying to get at is… the CERTIFIED COPY you got is good enough for you to become president of the united states. The CERTIFIED COPY that any other person born in Hawaii can order (which would be exactly like Obama’s publicly released copy) is good enough for any other Hawaii-born person to run for president?

So why the different level of proof required for Obama?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

You are so wrong where to begin?
But then you Birthers would not take the truth…you are like Christians that blame the devil when caught in a sin.

The supreme court has said that this is not worthy to talk about…the conservative majority court at that.
I have seen his Birth Certificate and read the letter from Linda Lingle (Gov. of Hawaii) and the Director of the Health Department that the original copy of Obama’s Birth Certificate is on file, as well as all “long copies” (original copies) of everyone born in Hawaii. Obama’s doctor that delivered him was Rodney T. West…2 minutes of research …at the Children and Womens Medical Center of Honolulu.

His documents have been shown…I have been to North Africa…I lived in Libya…1953. So what?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

They most certainly have, Einstein. You used ‘infer’ correctly, so I think you have some brains. But you compromise your integrity by entertaining this drivel, making you a conspiracy-believing, tin-foil-hat-wearing, knuckle-dragging un-American pinhead. You have chosen to ignore the rule of law of this fine nation, a beacon of democracy to the world, making you an enemy of everything America stands for.

All you need to know is that EVERY COURT THAT HAS EXAMINED ANY OF THIS HORSESHIT HAS COME TO THE SAME CONCLUSION: It’s sheer, utter hogwash, and our President needs to do nothing more about it… no school records, no photo of the ‘vault copy’ of his birth records, NADA.

Here is one court’s written opinion:

The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”

Either accept the hard, provable fact that the President was born in Hawaii, and remain the above-delineated pinhead, or join the sane, law-abiding world. At that time I would be glad to personally, publicly declare you a non-pinhead, and to fully retract my previous statement.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

What kind of American says “au contraire?”


w
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

BARRY?!? You are referring to the President of the United States in this manner? Your profound lack of respect is foul.

Your lies would be hilarious if not so dangerous.

FRAUD?!? The ONLY reason you find the President of the United States a fraud is because you do not have the b alls to call him what you want to (and what you do in private) a N*G*ER.

Foul and disgusting.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

Your handle reminds me of the conversation in A Fish Called Wanda:

>Apes don’t read philosophy!

>Yes, they do… they just don’t UNDERSTAND it.


LOLOLOLOL
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

If I could jump sharks with the mastery of some of these fools I would be a very cool dude.


Q-Comp
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

You note that no legal entity… has certified Obama as meeting the natural born citizen eligibility criteria, when in fact, the Supreme Court of the United States swore him into office. How is this anything but the ultimate legal certification of his eligibility? Exercising independent thought is part of what makes America great. But at some point, “independent thought” that runs counter to fact (essentially ignoring the legal authority of the SCOTUS) is motivated by something other than dogged pursuit of the truth. One can not assert that President Obama was born outside of the United States (BTW, that rule was adopted to keep Alexander Hamilton from becoming President as he was born in Barbados) without accusing him of massive fraud which, running counter to truth, is outrageous slander.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

Hawaii does not simply hand out a certification of live birth. If that were the case, dont you think many illegals would go to Hawaii first?

The sad part is that there are so many important issues facing this country and people like you take time away from everyone by keeping up this crap.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


Q-Comp
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

“To date, no legal entity, court or congress, has certified Obama as meeting the natural born citizen eligibility criteria. ”

So are you saying that you don’t recognize the legal authority of the United States Supreme Court? Independent thought is all well and good. But playing fast and loose with facts to support outrageous claims of fraud takes motivation beyond dogged pursuit of the truth. Ultimately, you’re right. Free society operates by having nutcases advance whatever theories they want. Have fun!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

Online just search for it, that’s what makes this so ridiculous, he posted the certificate on HelpFightTheSmears.org druing the campaign, but evidence is the last thing one looks for when filing a frivilous lawsuit, and perpetuating a political misdirection campaign, to take attention away from the lack of ideas in their own party, and a excess of poitical capital for a democratic President.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

Saying “your side of the issue” gives the false impression that there are two sides and indeed that there is an “issue.”

There’s only one side: rational truth. And we’re all over here, and we’re glad you’ve decided not to join us.

And there’s no issue. Our President’s name is…say it with me…Barack Hussein Obama. His mother is American. No matter where he was born, he’s American. And he was born in Hawaii. So no issue.

Personally, I couldn’t be more pleased to have nutjobs like you out there spewing this ludicrous birth certificate nonsense. Like having Sanford and Ensign twisting in the wind, it is the best electoral message a Democrat can hope for.

Because it’s like running a very powerful ad that says “Do you want to be on the side of those people who are trying to take the country forward, or those who are obviously trying to hold it back?”

Will you vote for the poseurs and hypocrites who screwed up the economy and yet now have no idea how to fix it except by doing more of what got us into trouble, or the guy who inherited their mess and yet stood up and said “Give it to me; I want that responsibility. It’s my job to lead, not to stand on the sidelines and carp and gripe?”

Do you want to be a member of the party that draws in young and old, rich and poor, male and female, college educated and high school dropout, every ethnic group under the sun, or the party that has shown its @ss at every opportunity in the past 20 years? The party that consists almost solely of one age range of one ethnic group of people in one undereducated region of the country? The party that lies to the middle class and foments culture war to distract the people from the issues that actually matter to them? The party that tolerates the insane rantings of racists like you?

Please, please keep it up. And try to get yourself on Fox News while you’re at it. Some of our voters are getting complacent and need a reminder that work needs to be done. Particularly in the area of education. You’re doing all this public service for free. When Obama gets re-elected, he should really thank the nutjobs like you — it just makes his path to re-election all the more of a glide.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

You know. I’m 54 years old. I registered for the draft when I was 17. I was drafted three days after my 18th birthday. I avoided going into the army by basically joining the Marine Corps. I had in fact already been accepted into one of their commissioning programs prior to being drafted.

I’m an Eagle Scout, university graduate, former USMC officer, holder a master’s degree from a major university and a self-employed construction manager for the past 20 years. I have never taken money form the US government for anything other than my scholarship from the Naval ROTC program in which I enrolled to be commissioned upon graduation and the pay I received while on active duty. I don’t ask much from government. I expect it to defend our shores, maintain a highway system and leave me and the rest of the citizenry alone. I believe in small government and free enterprise. I do expect my government not to lie or withhold information from me. They are supposed to work for and be responsible to US.

So if that makes me “an American-hating scofflaw conspiracy nut and an official pinhead” well, I plead guilty. I guess I just don’t measure up to what the NEW AMERICAN type is supposed to be. But I was saluting the flag and doing my duty, while others were burning and spitting on flags. I was working when others were laying around waiting for their welfare checks. I proudly wore the uniform and followed my orders while others grew out their hair and bad-mouthed their country. Now those people are calling ME “America-hating”? Whatever.

I distinctly remember the Navy requiring me to get them a copy of my original, long-form BC in order to enter my officer training program to become a 2nd Lt. It was a photocopy of the original with a stamp and official’s signature on it. Notarized. I still have that in a file with my Honorable Discharge.

I had no misgivings about producing it for the Naval authority since it was required. That is just to be a 2nd Lt. So now I wonder why the Commander in Chief has a problem handing over a copy of his. That should “sadden” you more than my “American-hating” I should think.


BrooklynGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

Well the other faux controversies worked so well last fall why not give the birth certificate BS a whirl??? What more can anyone expect for the insanity of the Republican party than to try the same things over and over again expecting a different result?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

Now that you mention it, don’t all canidates get a background investigation check before getting secret service protection (start of campaign), on the intelligence committee in congress as senator(top secret clearance), has a u.s. passport, been state senator for 10 years…..WTF?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

The SPOTUS has not addressed this issue. Rather, following a secret meeting with the then president elect, they have dismissed without comment all inquiries into his birth history.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

Sweet, so “there is only one side” of the issue and “there’s no issue”. What was that you were saying about “rational truth”?


KMD
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Trust me when I tell you that Obama could ride dancing thru the streets in Underoos, blowing a Kazoo wearing a hamburger on his head, shrieking like a drunken duck……and the world would say it’s STILL less embarrassing and obscene than how this country was perceived under the Bush administration.

Keep digging the hole. Just remember it’s yours – not his, you’ve fallen into.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Actually, I have the Court Opinion on that as well:

“5. Mr. Obama did not lose his U.S. Citizenship based on the acts of his parents, including adoption by an Indonesian citizen. The Court held that no action taken by the parents of an American child can strip that child of his citizenship. The court cited the 1952 Immigration & Nationality Act, Title III, Chapter 3, Sections 349 and 355, which was in effect in the late 1960s when Obama went to Indonesia, and which stated that a minor does not lose his US citizenship upon the naturalization of his parents or any other actions of his parents, so long as the minor returns to the US and establishes permanent US residency before the age of 21. Thus the adoption of Obama did not serve to strip him of his U.S. citizenship. Furthermore, the Court held that traveling on a foreign passport does not strip an American of his citizenship. The Court noted first that there was no evidence that Mr. Obama traveled on an Indonesian passport (Mr. Berg and others never provided any evidence of this claim or any other of the claims.) Nonetheless, the court held that such travel does not divest an American of his citizenship.”

Suck harder on those Sour Grapes, Birfers.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

I too have been to Africa many times, and I love it there. Key word, that you said, “of African descent”, and you are here, not there, and yes you can go to Africa and be accepted as a welcome visitor, but you can’t just join the culture.

I stand by what I say, Africans don’t marry an American woman and take her home and she is accepted there. I know 3 women who were left here in America with their children when their African husbands went back home. It happened a lot when I was in college. Some Africans marry here and stay here, but most all Africans eventually go back home without their American wives.

One woman I know was nearly destroyed when her husband left, he tried to take their 2 girls back to Africa but not his wife, the children are accepted, but not the wife. She went there and was sent away. Her husband had another wife, and he was Ghanian, and yes, Africans still have more than one wife. Even if American African wives could go back to Africa they cannot accept the cultural lifestyle. Another reason they are not taken home. Life in the cities is changing though, city dwellers don’t as often take more that one wife. However they are often ostracized from their ancestral group because they are changing their life style.

I have met a few Africans who married here and stayed here with their American wives. Primarily because they themselves could not go home. While here in school there was a coup in their country and they were part of the losing group, and so were more or less exiled from their country.

I dated a Nigerian while working on my masters degree and have hung out with many Africans of various cultures, then and now, but some things remain the same. Many of them had a wife sent here from Africa if they had to stay in America several years. Not too long ago, in the Detroit suburbs, there was a story in the news about a Nigerian couple who would not let their daughter go to her prom unless she went with a Nigerian. They imported one for her to go to the prom with. So again, I stand by what I say. American wives don’t go home to Africa.


Irish_Wake
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

With all due respect:
1) The original document as released is acceptable evidence in a federal court of law.
2) 'Birthers' do not accept document as evidence.
One must either conclude that 'Birthers' do not accept the more common legal, ethical, or intellectual processes/outcomes, or that their goal is to create an atmosphere that makes political discourse impossible.

Why do you assume these people will take information and alter their views?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

Not sure where I lost you. Sorry if the words were too big. And I couldn’t figure out how to use sock puppets to convey the point.

Go back to talking about what you “fancy” yourself doing, loser.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

lol….you were there in person somewhere where they held this secret meeting…right?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Okay..so your saying that instead of using his Messiah powers to have something forged that would look like a an original BC, he instead somehow got the Health Department in Hawaii to whip up a falsified Certificate of Live Birth? And now all of their employees are lying to protect him. Wow.

And what about the newspaper birth announcements that are on microfilm in Hawaiin libraries. Are they forged to? Wow, this conspiracy must involve hundreds of people.

You people are frightening.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

God wouldn’t soil himself with our politics but if he chose to I’m would hope that like progressives would deplore all acts of violence, murder, warfare, false arrests, adultry, etc get the point.

The Devil is the great accuser who attempts to mislead the children of men, by convincing them that their particular sinfulness is to great to be forgiven, once one gives up on themselves they find it difficult to approach the throne of grace, repent, be forgiven so they can continue on living a enlightened life, unbounded by the sin inherent to the natural human condition.

God doesn’t support any killing, he sent his son to die for us all, no more death is necessary for truth and righteousness, only repentance and acceptance through faith.

Only if you so chose however, none of this is binding.


David Weigel
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

I'm at least a little optimistic, because the supposed lack of clarity from Okubo was a central argument by the 24AheadTypes. In our conversation yesterday, she very clearly said that the state has verified that Obama was born in Hawaii.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

HAHAHAHAHAAHHA—you got to be kidding. That is as lame as saying 911 was the fault of Bush. Liberals wont win that argument and conservatives wont win yours. But thanks I needed a good laugh.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

I’M GONNA YELL TOO!
HE HAS PROVIDED THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE! YOU’VE SEEN IT!
Hawaiian officials have provided and authenticated it.
Is Hawaii just a pretend state to you or something.
WHAT DO YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND!
Must he go to each of your homes with it in a manilla envelope and let you touch it!
HE WON…LET IT GO!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

My birth certificate doesn’t detail who the doctor was either. I would say you’re grasping at straws, but that does a disservice to straws, which exist and are useful.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

It’s right here, Ad Hom,

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html


space2k
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

I'm really enjoying watching the GOP follow these birther turds right down the toilet.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

“Everyone who is caught shall be run through; to a man, they shall fall by the sword. Their infants shall be dashed to pieces in their sight; their houses shall be plundered and their wives ravished,” says God, in Isaiah 14:15-16. I would imagine at least a few women were pregnant when he smote Sodom and Gomorrah. No, God most definitely supports the killing of the unborn.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

I think it’s more like provide proof there isn’t one..That won’t be happening. Don’t you think if in fact Obama has 39 social security numbers (that’s what the wacky dentist/ lawyer Taitz is claiming) someone who has access to social security records would have come forward by now. Of course if there was someone, they wouldn’t dare speak up or they’d lose their job you say. Of course they’d make hundreds of millions on books and tv appearances so I guess that, like so much of this fabricated story, holds no water, not even any condensation… They guy has a passport. In order to get it he needed to provide the long form birth certificate, unless “THEY” figured out a way to game the system…I actually wouldn’t mind seeing him produce it, but only if I thought it would silence the lunatics, but that’s the problem you see – lunatics aren’t rational. We could teleport back to the delivery room and than the story would run very much like the “we didn’t really land on the moon” story. Maybe he’ll clear the air before he’s sworn into his next term…


Chad S
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

Unfortunately, Obama could present a video of his birth with Don Ho behind his mother confirming that they were in Hawaii and the birthers wouldn't believe it.


Lava Lee Pyre
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

You should write a book about this insanity.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Excuse me, but you seem to forget, President Obama’s father WAS African. And from what I have heard, it was common to use African if someone actually was from Africa at that time in Hawaii. Why do you think Hawaiians are lying about this?


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

Nope, one of Obama’s PR flacks has provided an electronic copy of a “certification of live birth” which is not a birth certificate. Hawaii officials say they have a birth certificate but will not release it without Obama’s say so. Instead, Obama has spent a ton of money trying to prevent its release.

But thanks for playing.


Ed
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

So you don’t rely on fire departments, police department, you’re not going to collect social security, will not not accept help from the national guard in a natural diaster, are against everything NASA does, don’t really think we need a border patrol, want the FBI to be abolished, don’t really want mail delivered to you or by you, have no intention of using Medicare when you become a senior, would like the network TV stations shut down, think that National parks should be closed, don’t want Arlington National cemetary to exist anymore, want the Smithsonian to be closed and the Veteran Administration closed?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

To you, and you only, Sir, I apologize. I am almost your age, a business owner and employer. Your service to America does you credit, and I mistook you for one of the usual “he ain’t really mah President” kooks responding to these articles. You sound like an upstanding fellow; again, my apologies.

It would be a blotch on your status as a productive, loyal American, however, to refuse to see the facts… as countless Conservative writers, court opinions, official inquiries, etc. have come up with no evidence whatsoever that Obama was not born in Hawaii, or that he ever renounced the citizenship accorded him by birth, and have found no substance to these charges.

Do you really think someone forged the microfilm copies of his birth announcements in Hawaii newspapers? Do you really think the Hawaii Bureau of Records personnel are committing deliberate fraud? Do you understand that even though COLBs can be had for naturalized Hawaiians, they always list place of foreign birth? That every record of his entire life that showed “place of birth,” even Indonesian elementary school records, lists Hawaii? That it is illegal to remove an original birth certificate from the vault in HI or photograph it? That every State has its own laws regarding these certificates, negating the arguments that “I had to show mine” and “I got the ‘long form’ etc.?

In questioning the legitimacy of the office of the President, you have lent your support to a dangerous, wasteful, baseless attack on Mr. Obama, which he does not deserve, and is unworthy of a man of your accomplishments. I urge you to repudiate it.

My calling Birthers “America-haters” is partially tongue-in-cheek. It is a reaction to the many long years those of us who protested Mr. Bush’s Iraq war and his trampling on Constitutional Rights had to endure; that for doing so (never once, mind you, advocating violent protest or government overthrow) WE were called “America-haters,” and I wanted Birthers to see how it feels.

I have one ancestor who emigrated from Ireland and fought alongside Ethan Allen, and another who was a minor Confederate General. My Great Uncle Adm. Frank Lyon signed the surrender papers with the Japanese aboard the USS Missouri. The notion that I am ‘against the USA’ is abhorrent to the bottom of my soul, and it was maddening.

But as I said, I absolutely retract my remarks to you, Sir. You may be mistaken, but I have no reason to suspect or accuse you of disloyalty.

May your days be long and prosperous.


ScottRS
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

The Constitution also does not empower (a) closeted bigots or (b) those simply too stupid to face facts, to define “natural born”, either.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

WHERE IS YOURS? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT A ESKIMO TROLL OR WHAT NOT?/ PRODUCE YOUR LONG FORM BC OR STFU


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

True. You know, I think this is a case of the bigger the lie the more likely people, some of them, are to believe it. It’s so outrageous, no one could have made this up, right? Well, it’s still a lie, and I just really wish people would stop to think about what they’re doing when perpetuating it. It doesn’t look very good for the mental or intellectual state of our nation that this has gone on this long.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

Well, I’m a voter for over 40 years and if anyone asked me to produce the long-form hospital birth certificate to prove I’m a citizen, I couldn’t. I have no idea where it is now or ever was kept. And, the hospital where I was born no longer exists. I do have a certified copy of my birth from the city where I was born, which I have used for documentation for my entire adult life. My “citizenship” would be questioned by wingnuts who don’t accept a certified copy of public records. I’d challenge each and every one of you to produce your own original birth documentation.

Obama has an advantage over me . . . his mother was a lifelong citizen of the US who had not renounced her citizenship. I am satisfied that he was born in Hawaii where his mother and family lived but even if he was born in outerspace, he would be a citizen just like him mom. I’m sure you’d question my documentation since my mother became a US citizen just 30 days before my birth. Further, she was in the hospital for 2 weeks afterward and didn’t file the city hall papers until she was released. Hmmm. Sounds suspicious to me.

What is wrong with you people? Just as John McCain, who was born in Panama (unclear if he was born on US base or in hospital off base), is a natural born citizen. Just like the kids of service people and diplomats stationed around the world are citizens. Just like ex-pats working for private global corporations off shore give birth to US citizens. Just like women traveling give birth to US citizens, usually unexpectedly. Look past your obsession with the “original” document and review the circumstances in totality.

I suggest you go to snopes to see certification of his birth. Snopes is a non-partisan fact check site.

Randwulf, with your level of education and achievement, what reason do you have for not taking the time to read Immigration, Naturalization, and Citizenship requirements on the government website and other factual information before adopting your stance? Had you done so, you would not be able to propound this false claim.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

You have a point, i can think of no other reason except Racists, and making changes to help all Americans which is something
that the Republicans has done, Bill Clinton tried to reform Healthcare and the Repub’s were against that and nothing got done.
No President Obama is trying again and all they are thinking about is how much TAX will the RICH have to pay, not thinking
about the Middle Class who has been paying along.
They will find every excuse in the book to keep Healthcare the way it is going up every year for the working and the retired people.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

It is a frivilous lawsuit, period. Long Form birth certificate whatever, how many presidential birth certificate have you ever seen?, how many were long form?, how many were not? This is reaching, this is activism in search of a desired outcome, and serves absolutely no purpose legally only politically, for those who lost this election on the merits, this guy volunteered after this President was elected, how’s that for irony, as I said and will say again this is a frivilous lawsuit that the plantiffs have never even imagined actually winning, this is misdirection, this is sleight of hand, this is what children do when they can’t have the candy, at the checkout aisle

“The Constitution requires that the President be a “natural born” U.S. citizen, but does not define natural born.”

So you are suggesting that the supreme court do what besides defining “natural born” to facilitate your particular political agenda, isn’t that activism.

Oh I forgot you need to be an “other” ruling against the “status quo” to be an activist according to Sen. Grahm, get out of here with the fluff. Your entire point is frivilous as well.

Great Article Weigel


Sarah
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

The birth certificate is right here!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Are you people HIGH? It is a birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii, it looks almost identical to the one I have that says I was born two years later and in a different state, down to the weird cross hatching background. So let me get this straight, a man whom two years ago hardly anyone would have ever thought would have ascended to to the presidency, PROACTIVELY perpetrated a mass conspiracy involving the State of Hawaii, a doctor, attending nurses, his parents and his grandparents who put an ad of congratulations in a local Hawaiian paper a week later KNOWING that eventually his citizenship would be questioned?
Start passing out the foil hats!


John Donald Carlucci
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Please explain how you know it is fake and cite source proving it.

JDC
http://democracyhypocrisy.blogspot.com/


oan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

What is your point?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

JohnQ…Yay you. Thank you. And as someone else here said: doesn’t anybody here work? What a waste of time this whole argument is.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Do you have a Certificate of Live Birth that shows you were born somewhere you were not? What proof do you have that it is easy to obtain such a document? No one has their original birth certificate. It is submitted to the state by the doctor or hospital where you were born. The state keeps it. Some states provide you with a photocopy of the original birth certificate and some states only provide you with a Certificate of Live Birth that contains the pertinent details of your birth. Hawaii is one of those states. The state of Hawaii certifies that the birth occurred in Hawaii. It is a legal document accepted by all agencies and courts in the US. You can get a passport with it, a driver’s license with it, a Social Security card with it. It is for all intents and purposes your legal birth certificate. I know I’m wasting my breath on those of you who just won’t accept the evidence that has been provided. I can only pity you.


pslong009
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

What do you think about the announcements in two newspapers in Hawaii announcing his birth? Especially considering that announcement came from Hawaii’s Dept of Health, not his parents? Do you really think that Hawaii’s Dept of Health would have given out false information 48 years ago on the extremely slight chance that the child might grow up to be President of the United States?


Laurie Davis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Why do you even care? Good grief, do you ever need a LIFE! Why don’t you spend your intellectual energy on trying to help others, instead of trying to tear them down? We’ve got work to do, dude, I’ll bet you know plenty of people who are unemployed/underemployed, schools that need help, families that are suffering without healthcare, etc. Go do something USEFUL!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

RIGHT ON! Most of the old “classic Country Club” Rs whom I know have not voted R in YEARS. It has ceased to be a party…..it is now a group of racist, religious wackos.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

don’t forget your walker, gramps! i will be the guy pointing and laughing at you.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

RoadScholar – Could you pointout to me where in JohnQ’s comment it says “born on US soil?” His argument is that Obama’s MOTHER was born in Kansas, which makes HER a natural born citizen, not him unless he, too was born on US soil. Therein lies the debate, not in his mother’s birthplace. So it looks like your little pocket-sized Constitution doesn’t help you much there.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

Hey Chuck. Got a REAL question 4 u. Do you believe this country is so idiotic that the entire US Presidential Elections, matter of fact the US Government, can be tricked into electing a foriegner as President of the United States, simply by asking some 2 bit Clerk in some office in Hawaii, to say,”Hey, he’s a citizen and here’s a altered photocopy of his birth certificate”. If that’s true, then Iran, Russia, China and every other enemy of the state must really be kicking themselves in the a$$. “After all this time wasted with money and spy networks, all it took was a $5 fake birth certificate, DAMN”


Donald
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

You are still a racist.

When did congress or any other government organization certify any other previous President’s birth??

When did congress or any other government organization certify any other previous Presidential candidate’s birth??

Have you ever thought that congress did not question then Senator Obama’s citizenship because he was and still is a natural born AMERICAN?

This would go in line with the fact that they did not do this for any of the other Presidential candidates either. Sorry, that would make too much sense and go against accepting that the black guy is an American.

You are still picking on PRESIDENT OBAMA because he is black.

So, what does that make you in light of the facts? RACIST!


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

this from the same party that, in 2006, started screaming that foreigners should be eligible for the presidency so you could put another actor in the white house to fool everyone from knowing that Goldman Sachs, Monsanto & the Carlysle Group would be running/raping the country????

Do you have dementia? i live in california and all we heard from the retardlicans was that schwarzenegger was the next reagan and your #1 goal, other than to send more americans to die for iraq’s oil, was to get rid of the born in the us requirement so you could start parading Arnold for the presidency. so NOW that the dark skinned guy actually won, you are running 180 degrees in the other direction.

stability and consistency is best when raising children and dogs/cats – now to start trying to raise the knee jerk retardlicans the same way and there might be some sanity restored to the world


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

A Certificate of Live Birth is the same thing as a Birth Certificate — each state can call it whatever they want. The state of Hawaii has verified that it is accurate. What else would you have him do? How about the “birthers” prove that he is NOT a citizen? Why should the burden of proof be place on him? Where is the proof that his mother left the country and give birth to him elsewhere? Do you really think that the FBI, etc. would allow him to take the Oath of Office without doing a thorough background check? People are ridiculous…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

I’m Sorry, name, you’re going to have to catch me up on the witty nicknames that you liberals give to everyone you demonize. Jr? Darth? Whatever. Your logic doesn’t add up, no matter who you give the pet names to.

The fact of the matter is that while Republicans were impeaching for purgery, Democrats were yelling at the top of their lungs that what goes on in the bedroom of politicians is none of our business. Now all of the sudden it’s a huge deal when GOPers do it. I agree, though, that all politicians who cheat on their spouses should be put on the spotlight. I’m glad that you’ve come around to understanding that infidelity is a serious offense and ought to be given attention. The next step is to stop complaining when Repubs do it and then praising the Huffington Post when they do it.

Double standard is the name of the liberal game.


Jim
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

“A certificate of live birth is easily attainable even if you werent born where said live birth certificate says. ”

This is not true. The certificate of live birth, which is Hawaii’s name for what is commonly known as a birth certificate, is computer generated from records that the state certifies to be correct.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Huh? The draft ended in 73. It was a numbering draw system by then. Something does not add up Mr. university graduate maybe none of your story does. You certainly did not face Vietnam.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

double agree with both of you – without the independents or ‘non-party’ voters neither a dem or rep can get into the white house.

and all of this ‘we’re proud to be retarded, just like Jr is’ is making any independent with a modicum of a brain run like the wind away from the rep party.

so funny – does anyone remember in 2005/06 when ALL of the Rethugs were trying to tout the english mangling, cocaine fried frat boy Jr as the best American president ever? while eating freedom fries?

how can anyone take any of these guys seriously and not want to put them into a white, strapped jacket?


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

You DO understand that 18 is older than 16, aren’t you?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Yep! Loaded to the teeth. Bring it idiot!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

That’ applies to those that are not natural born US citizens She was born in the USA. She was already a citizen.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

You are forgetting the inconvenient fact that he was born on American soil.

Oh, that’s right. Facts mean nothing to you idiots.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Any idea where John McCain was born? Look it up. It wasn’t the USA pal.


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Come on Chuck say what you really mean. We had King George, or was it King Dick? The birth certificate thing is b.s. and you know it. Have the guts to to state your real intentions. Come on let it out and you will feel better.


Joe Einloth
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

A$$hat!!!! Who’s gonna certify a live out of state birth? YOU’r damn simple!


Wendy67
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

If you’ve asked yourself, “Who is this man?” so many times and no one could tell you, perhaps you should ask somebody else.


Wendy67
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

If you’ve asked yourself, “Who is this man?” so many times and no one could tell you, perhaps you should ask somebody else.


Hypathia
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

I actually agree with *everything* you just said. Thanks stephenperry! :^)


Hypathia
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

I actually agree with *everything* you just said. Thanks stephenperry! :^)


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Please explain why any of us should be tolerant of idiocy.

Why should we suffer fools? You are worthless to society as a whole, useless at making any type of rational argument, and really the only thing you’re good for is making us laugh at your ever-increasing stupidity.

Also, why shouldn’t we be hateful and angry at how far our society has fallen to create people with such inability to think for themselves, use rational thought, logic, and reason? We should be past angry at the dumbing down of our society. We should be downright hateful that people like you even exist. You should be WAY smarter. It’s simply indicative of incredibly poor educating.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Please explain why any of us should be tolerant of idiocy.

Why should we suffer fools? You are worthless to society as a whole, useless at making any type of rational argument, and really the only thing you’re good for is making us laugh at your ever-increasing stupidity.

Also, why shouldn’t we be hateful and angry at how far our society has fallen to create people with such inability to think for themselves, use rational thought, logic, and reason? We should be past angry at the dumbing down of our society. We should be downright hateful that people like you even exist. You should be WAY smarter. It’s simply indicative of incredibly poor educating.


Concerned American
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

You can laugh all you want to about how stupid the right wingnuts are, but if they continue to stir up their wingnut base to generate calls, letters, email, twitters ('twits' may be a more appropriate term, here), etc., over every single lie they happen to want to believe, it will truly poison public discussion about everything else, which appears to be their intent.

Perpetration and perpetuation of lies is a very strong tool. In this case, recently we already see a soldier refusing deployment orders, because he claims the Commander in Chief is illegitimate, because of the claim that he is not really a citizen. Needless to say, if there are a lot of wingnuts in the military like that, it could be very disruptive.

Recall that the 'Swifboat' lies in the 2004 election were certainly enough to swing the entire election. It didn't matter that they were lies. The perpetration and perpetuation of those lies has certainly (and adversely) had a profound effect on the course of our nation, and, indeed, on world history.

Also note that such paralysis of publc discourse was a prime goal of the Nazis before they came to power. The Nazis used every technique they could to discredit democracy, in general, and the Weimar Republic, in particular, during their grab for power in the 20's-30's. This behavior is destructive of democracy, and it appears to be getting worse here.

I'm not sure that this is a sign of desperation. Unfortunately, it may signal a shift of strategy by the right wing core of the Republican party and its adherents to further weaken our democracy to the temptations of authoritarianism – simple answers for simple people.

The leaders of this effort know that this particular uproar is a lie. They also know that their followers believe it. Unfortunately, even if it is debunked, as it already has been, a great number of these followers will STILL believe it, and still cause an uproar. This sort of lie-followed-by-uproar can be used over and over, based on all sorts of lies and accusations to cause public chaos. Expect a lot more of it.


grannycarol
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

How much faith in our country and our constitution do “birthers” have that they can honestly believe that someone who was not born in the United States of America can be elected president? I think “birthers” are the most un-American group of people to be ever called un-American.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Yes.

(Just kidding.)


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:05 pm

Yes.

(Just kidding.)


VoteDem
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Well, I guess they've run out of substantive things to criticize the President on.


MD
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

chuckj
Soldiers who refuse to serve or take orders because of this should be sent to court. Such soldiers are despicable cowards and very clearly looking for an excuse not to serve our country.
They need to be asked; Do you believe in the United States of America or do you believe in looney conspiracy theories that only serve to hurt America? Would you choose to stand up and defend America or would you cower and use conspiracy theories as an excuse to not fight?
Enough of this b.s.
If you choose to serve America in our military you serve America – not conspiracy theories and [actually] not any one politician. You serve an idea that is America. It goes way way beyond the things you do not like about a sitting president.


MD
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

chuckj
Soldiers who refuse to serve or take orders because of this should be sent to court. Such soldiers are despicable cowards and very clearly looking for an excuse not to serve our country.
They need to be asked; Do you believe in the United States of America or do you believe in looney conspiracy theories that only serve to hurt America? Would you choose to stand up and defend America or would you cower and use conspiracy theories as an excuse to not fight?
Enough of this b.s.
If you choose to serve America in our military you serve America – not conspiracy theories and [actually] not any one politician. You serve an idea that is America. It goes way way beyond the things you do not like about a sitting president.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Why are we here? To laugh at people like you. Everyone needs comic relief now and then and you right-wing bozos are like a three ring circus. You are so predicable and rarely disappoint.

Now, talk some more about this “birth certificate” thing; and while you’re at it, get me some more popcorn and tell me the one about Black Helicopters containing aliens.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Why are we here? To laugh at people like you. Everyone needs comic relief now and then and you right-wing bozos are like a three ring circus. You are so predicable and rarely disappoint.

Now, talk some more about this “birth certificate” thing; and while you’re at it, get me some more popcorn and tell me the one about Black Helicopters containing aliens.


gregoryj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

This issue is so funny ti makes saturday night live and Tina Fey and the entire cast look like real amateurs. Are the Birthers asking us to believe that the entire Congress, the Supreme Court Justices and so many learned American of Distinction are that naive and stupid as to not have inquired and investigated this issue for a long time now?

As one of the comments suggests, there is no way that you or anyone can make the Birthers accept and believe that our Legally Elected President, Baarak Obama is a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN.

So I would like to suggest that Maj. Stefan F. Cook, a reservist who volunteered for duty in Afghanistan, and then decided that he would not like to to serve in that capoacity anymore, be Unceremoniously and Dishonourably be Stripped of his rank and casahiered out as just rewards from the Military that he has just disgraced with his action.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

It still boils down to a cut and dried, black and white issue (so to speak). We can all go back and forth with this until doomsday but until a form with more complete information about the “blessed event” is made available to the citizens of the US, this will never go away.

This isn't a conspiracy theory. It is looking like cover-up at very high levels. Really, it is just a widely asked and simple question that needs an answer. And if it is so obviously frivolous, ridiculous and silly, well then why not prove it so and produce the long form BC? We aren't trying to get him to release proof of the existence of Big Foot. We are asking for a copy of the original hospital generated piece of paper that Hawaiian officials claim to have in their vault. Isn't this the very reason why “all 57 states” of the union have adopted a policy of keeping birth records?

Apparently the State of Hawaii has in the past been pretty loose and sloppy with issuing birth records, with little follow-up investigation and even less dedication to accuracy or certifications that their silly rules were followed. Since this COLB of Obama's was allegedly provided by Hawaii to his campaign just last year, he must have been using another copy of it or some other birth record in the past, to get into school, get a passport, get a driver's license, pass a security background check for being a US senator etc. (As the anti-birther's have repeatedly pointed out.) So I'm wondering WHAT DOCUMENT he has been using all this time, what is on it and WHERE it is. It couldn't be this one they have “produced” on the web. It would have to be something much older. So, where do you suppose IT is? Why didn't he just show a copy of that one on his websites? Doesn't anybody else wonder about that? And where is the actual paper copy of this alleged COLB that is repeatedly touted as his proof now? I mean, the one that was supposed to have been scanned, and photographed and posted on his sites. Will any third party document experts ever bee allowed to analyze that one. I doubt it. Very fishy smelling.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Actually, just one little dope has refused his military orders because of this moronic “birth certificate” thing. And he should be dealt with like any military person who refuses to honor his oath.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Actually, just one little dope has refused his military orders because of this moronic “birth certificate” thing. And he should be dealt with like any military person who refuses to honor his oath.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

wnd is a joke. lately half that site has been dedicated to this krap for koolaid drinkers. recently they even presented screenshots of some edits someone had done in wikipedia which made it appear that there’s an actual controversy.

The numbers they write about being “in the movement” are contradicted from one headline to the next-can’t even stay consistent in their lies! Joeseph Farrah is a HACK!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

wnd is a joke. lately half that site has been dedicated to this krap for koolaid drinkers. recently they even presented screenshots of some edits someone had done in wikipedia which made it appear that there’s an actual controversy.

The numbers they write about being “in the movement” are contradicted from one headline to the next-can’t even stay consistent in their lies! Joeseph Farrah is a HACK!!


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

I done seen it on the internet. It must be true. Why can’t the Hawaii officials simply produce a certified copy. ‘Cause O won’t let them. What’s he hiding?


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

I done seen it on the internet. It must be true. Why can’t the Hawaii officials simply produce a certified copy. ‘Cause O won’t let them. What’s he hiding?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

How about this? He thinks there are 57 states in the Union.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

By golly, you’re right. John Q was saying that her mother being a citizen makes the children citizens. He’s wrong. Born on American soil = Natural Born Citizen, regardless of the citizenship status of the parents.

And the Constitution reads the same no matter what size it is.

By claiming the Hawaii COLB is not sufficient, Birfers are advocating ignoring Hawaii State law, and accusing their Bureau of Records personnel of fraud.

The claims are nonsense. Here’s one Court Opinion:

The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

By golly, you’re right. John Q was saying that her mother being a citizen makes the children citizens. He’s wrong. Born on American soil = Natural Born Citizen, regardless of the citizenship status of the parents.

And the Constitution reads the same no matter what size it is.

By claiming the Hawaii COLB is not sufficient, Birfers are advocating ignoring Hawaii State law, and accusing their Bureau of Records personnel of fraud.

The claims are nonsense. Here’s one Court Opinion:

The court finds the claims against Mr. Obama’s citizenship “wholly unpersuasive and bordering on the frivolous, especially in light of the complete absence of any first-hand evidence on any critical issue” and further classifies it as “conspiracy theory of the lowest sort, fueled by nothing than internet rumor and those who truly want to believe egging each other on.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Because no reasonable person doubts it, dipstick.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Because no reasonable person doubts it, dipstick.


gregoryj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Hi grannycarol, fabulous friday to you, I do like your straight to the point comment, and it is so true to call them UN-AMERICAN in their attitudes. In a time when so much is needed to heal and bring us back to a Nation of Respectability and Morals, they would rather try to beat us down for being right. have a nice day


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

Is this a spoof? You can’t be this dense.

How many times and in how many ways can this be proven? Birth certificates, birth announcements, all readily available at any time.

The only things festering are the brains of the birthers. And the best part is that as the “controversy” enters the mainstream, it makes the Republican look worse and worse, meaning even more time in the wilderness for the do-nothing, ruin everything party.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

Is this a spoof? You can’t be this dense.

How many times and in how many ways can this be proven? Birth certificates, birth announcements, all readily available at any time.

The only things festering are the brains of the birthers. And the best part is that as the “controversy” enters the mainstream, it makes the Republican look worse and worse, meaning even more time in the wilderness for the do-nothing, ruin everything party.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Hey Stupid,

Guess what? I strongly believe President Obama’s refusal to produce his birth certificate is his way to EF with you ignorant, inbred birthers. He produced a legitimate birth certificate, which you asinine people refuse to accept. Accordingly, Obama is not dealing with this silliness. However, it must be fun from his point of view to sit back and watch so many of you idiots wasting your time and money on law suits. I’m getting a kick out of that too. One thing all of you fail to acknowledge… Obama is an extremely brilliant and shrewd politician. He will have the last laugh in this matter. Deal with it!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Hey Stupid,

Guess what? I strongly believe President Obama’s refusal to produce his birth certificate is his way to EF with you ignorant, inbred birthers. He produced a legitimate birth certificate, which you asinine people refuse to accept. Accordingly, Obama is not dealing with this silliness. However, it must be fun from his point of view to sit back and watch so many of you idiots wasting your time and money on law suits. I’m getting a kick out of that too. One thing all of you fail to acknowledge… Obama is an extremely brilliant and shrewd politician. He will have the last laugh in this matter. Deal with it!


Tyke
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Yo idiot. the copy he has is certified! The Governor of Hawaii personally verified that it is 100% legitimate and is the ONLY type of birth certificate Hawaii issues to individuals. That’s the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii by the way.


Tyke
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Yo idiot. the copy he has is certified! The Governor of Hawaii personally verified that it is 100% legitimate and is the ONLY type of birth certificate Hawaii issues to individuals. That’s the REPUBLICAN governor of Hawaii by the way.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Oh please, I’m willing to pay all sorts of money to obtain the real birth certificate. I’ll email my bank card info and pin number so that you can reclaim if from their vaults. Thank you for your courage in working on this issue. God bless you.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Oh please, I’m willing to pay all sorts of money to obtain the real birth certificate. I’ll email my bank card info and pin number so that you can reclaim if from their vaults. Thank you for your courage in working on this issue. God bless you.


Wendy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

Why don't you just come out and admit that you hate Obama because he is black and cut out all this smoke-screen garbage.

Never bothered any of you to check up on Bush Jr who might not have been born in the US or McCain who was definitely not born in the US (Panama). If you're white, you're A-OK!


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

I think Oily Taints should provide copies of her Law Degree.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

At least we can spell.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

At least we can spell.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

So here is a chance for Obama to save “Democracy”. You know, “simple answers for simple people”. Yes, he can save the military forces from themselves and prevent the poisoning of “public discussion about everything else”. He could become “transparent”, practice what he preaches and release information about himself. Starting with his birth, and then ordering the release of his school records. We don't want any more “public chaos”. We had enough of that with the lefty-commie-lib-youth movement that destroyed the country back in the 60's.


dtrott
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

These guys aren't well. But it's good to see that the wingnut psychos are spending so much time, effort and energy on this important issue now facing our republic.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

Spend a lot of time playing with your toilet?


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

Jeez… if you believe that, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.


conservetheconst
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

Then why didn't they do that? Why didn't they just kick him out and come up with the birth certificate? Doesn't it make you wonder? If they had proof, whouldn't they just show it already and shut everyone up?


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

bahaha… good one.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

bahaha… good one.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

I’m still waiting for Cheney to give us proof that he’s human…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

I’m still waiting for Cheney to give us proof that he’s human…


Dana
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

He did prove it- a copy of his birth certificate has been provided- what more do you people want????????? I do not understand what the problem is?
You want a video of his birth so you could see the palm trees swaying in the background of the hospital room?? Give me a break!! The United State President is a US BORN CITIZEN- get it through your thick IGNORANT AND HATEFUL SKULLS PLEASE!
Just say the really reason for all this crap- he is 1/2 black…he has a funny name after his father who was from another country…he is a Democrat…and your party LOST!
Get a clue- we all are products of immigration into this country at one point or another- but Obama's father- had sex with his AMERICAN mother- created Barack Obama- and she gave birth in Honolulu HAWAII- which last time I checked is in FACT a STATE of the US!


hdtvinformation
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

Sadly enough, the real copy has been analyzed

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

I supposed you dont like the outcome of elections. If you were so concerned about election rigging you should have been up in arms about Bush and Florida in 2000 and the Voting Machine Fraud in 2004.

Please stay away from electrical outlets in the future


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

Yep. Don't you love these clods spending their hard-earned money on Birth Certificate billboards?

Hilarious!


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Greg H
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

Don't these people realize that it doesnt matter where Pres. Obama was born anyway? His mom was an american citizen at the time of his birth, that automatically makes him a natural US citizen. Period. End of Discussion.


Dana
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Oh and you can go to the smokinggun.com and see the ACTUAL copy provided by the state of Hawaii with the seal and everything… the only thing fishy smelling is the rot that comes from the horrible and evilness of the Republican party- stop hating- try actual coming up with some ideas on how to improve this country and join in on progress or shut up and go home!


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

Wow. Tighten that tin-foil hat JUST a wee bit more.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

How do you propose they had a copy to scan if Hawaii didn’t give them one?

Could it be because you are the type of genius who says things like “I done seen it”???


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

How do you propose they had a copy to scan if Hawaii didn’t give them one?

Could it be because you are the type of genius who says things like “I done seen it”???


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

He did. It’s on scopes.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

He did. It’s on scopes.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

Hey, they check up on McCain like flies on SH!T. And if you will remember, it was Hillary Clinton and her attorney friend BERG, a Jewish guy with 30 years of membership in the Democratic party that started this whole deal with Obama's citizenship questions. I suppose that one of the main reasons why nobody wanted to check on Obama's eligibility issue is purely BECAUSE HE IS BLACK! It would not have been politically correct to question him too much. Now do you have any intelligent response to the questions in my post above or are you just going to sidestep the argument and call me a “racist”?


logicprobe
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:34 pm

“the campaign reproduced a Certificate of Live Birth from the state’s Health Department”

No, the campaign actually produced a CERTIFICATION of Live Birth, which is not the same thing. A real CERTIFICATE of Live Birth has the signature of the physician who delivered the baby and the signature of the person who reported the birth information (baby's name, parents, etc.)

Personally, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, and there's something embarassing on the full Certificate of Live Birth that he wants to keep private.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

Yadda, Yadda, Yadda,,, Ha Ha Ha, Tin Foil Hat, VERY VERY FUNNY!! You are soooo witty!!! Can't discuss facts but you are great at throwing insults. Discredit the messenger and you discredit the message, right. The entire left-wing argues that way. Just like small children.


dragonlady52
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

Obama's mother was an American citizen. That makes Obama an American citizen no matter WHERE he was born. Every schoolchild knows this (at least I learned it in grade school-I have no idea what they're teaching now). SInce Obama's birth certificate is in the public record this idiotic questioning is beyond ridiculous-it can only be construed as an attempt to divide and conquer. I find it reprehensible that the neocons are doing whatever they can to be obstructionist at a time when the need for unity is urgent if we are to solve the pressing problems the we are facing. It seems they would see they would rather see the country go down the tubes thna relinquish one iota of power.
And why is there never any mention of the fact that John McCain was born in Panama?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

Actually, it only applies to people who were born outside of the US.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

Actually, it only applies to people who were born outside of the US.


Marty
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

He did provide a certified copy. Over a year ago. It evens states in this article. Here it is on snopes (an urban legend sight that clearly calls this false):

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Two facts for people:
Obama was born in Hawaii, as the birth certificate clearly shows.
Hawaii became a state in 1959, Obama was born in 1961.

This means that he’s a citizen, pure and simple. If you’re born on American soil, regardless of your parents, you’re a natural born American. The 14th Amendment states this.

Get over it and find holes about the economy or healthcare or Wall Street or something because this is asinine.


twosurfside
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

No, there are plenty of substantive things on which to criticize the President. Have you actually read the healthcare bill? Here it is: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

I've pasted an important section below that you must read to truly understand what the bill intends:

****************************************************************************************
SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
(a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for
purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term ‘grandfathered health insurance
coverage’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day
of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-
5
(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer
offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of
coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.
****************************************************************************************

The title in disingeneous and misleading at best. The words matter here. Yes the President did say that you can keep your current coverage, but what he failed to mention is that your current coverage will be the last private coverage you will ever have. What the bill language above actually means when you decypher the legal terminology is: on the day the law goes into effect you cannot enroll in any new private insurance. Sure, you can keep your existing policy (it's grandfathered in), but if you change jobs or want a different policy after the law in in force, your only option will be the government plan, no private options will be legal. Over time, this relegates everyone to the government plan and completely removes your choice of a private plan. It also will eliminate the private insurance sector altogether. How many jobs will that “save”?

So to give some people a government option that don't have insurance now, Obama is willing force everyone (200 million people) into a government run plan. This is not freedom of choice, it's a trojan horse meant only to centralize control. This is not about party, it's about basic freedom of choice.

This is only on page 16, I wonder what we will find after reading the entire bill.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

Concerned American, have you lost your mind? If the state has offically declared that he was born there enough said, you have the burdon to prove your retarded argument not the rest of us who have a brain, if you turn up some evidence to show that all these people are in some grand conspiracy then do so or shut the hell up By the way what would all these people have to gain by this conspiracy?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

“OR learn to debate facts.”
Holy cognitive dissonance Batman!!! How does one debate “facts” with someone who won’t acknowledge reality?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

No, personal lives are not of the public’s business.

But when someone has the nerve to comment on “family values” and rail against people who have affairs claiming they should resign from office, and then they get caught having an affair, it is not the extramarital sex that liberals like to point out, it’s the blatant hypocrisy.

I wouldn’t expect a con to recognize hypocrisy, or to see the big deal, since it’s the only way you know how to function, but you could at least try to figure out what people are actually complaining about instead of making sh!t up as you go along (although I know that’s also instinctual for you people).


Char316
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

Did you ask all the other Presidents of the United States for their Birth Certificates. This is so ridiculous. You will do anything to try and keep a Black Man down.


Sanity, not Hannity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:43 pm

What a bunch of whack jobs. Add them to the list of “Area 51″ lunatics, holocaust deniers, and others with a tenuous — if any — connection to reality.

I expect a spike in “moon landing fraud” flat earthers given the attention to the 40 year anniversary of the Apollo 11 on the 19th…


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

They already did, you moron. The State of Hawaii issues one type of birth certificate, the COLB. That's it. That's all you can get. It's verified by the state, indeed the Hawaii Department of Health is on record numerous times stating the COLB is legit, and he was born in Honolulu. There's nothing more anyone can do without changing the laws in Hawaii, which no one is going to do simply because a group of deranged birthers demand it.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

So “factcheck” verified their own forgery. Yeah, that proves it!!! And what the hell this has to do with alleged voter fraud from years ago, is beyond me. Oh and thanks for the electrical safety tip. I know as a left winger, you couldn't resist throwing in at least one little demeaning jab. You guys can't help yourselves in that regard.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

why can’t you accept that obama’s certificate of live birth is proof of his citizenship? it states the time and place of his birth and was provided by the Hawaii Dept of Health.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

What is your point exactly?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

The Constitution says that anyone born on American soil is a natural-born US citizen.

The Constitution doesn’t get more specific than that. US Laws were written to supplement the Constitution and clarify what being a “natural-born US citizen” is.

Do you have any idea how ironic it is when someone who has NO idea what the Constitution says try to call other people out for the same?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Listen carefully… you have to actually TAKE the anti-psychotic medication. Don’t just leave it in the bottle.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

A few more elections like this .. the USA will be the same as living in Mexico just a much bigger scumland .. Viva the change ..

Personally I hope by that time I find a nice private abandoned Oil rig .. because we all know I won’t be able to avoid an island by this Bummers 2nd year in office.. actually not too many of us will unless we are acorn whitemen type crooks.. anyway far enough offshore not to be thugged, mugged and robbed of my last dime by the bums who voted O bummer in ,, Count me far away from the future Amexico..

Oh and yes.. please anyone who claims the GOP is this or that.. get a real life, out on your own, outside Mom and Dads.. talk about losers.. If I had a bum kid living off me I would.. well I wouldn’t and they definitely would not sound like so many possers ..like 8 year olds B****ching over sucking at HALO!

Most politicians are in it for themselves period. So tell me what has O done for you personally has anything in your life changed for the better.. Unless of course this chorus damning white men is O bummers cabinet zombies.. or even better is this what the 31 + Czars do post like little drones.

Real cert or not this Dunce is the WORST Elected official in history with his mentor and resident freak Pelosi, 2nd brain dead Reid,3rd, and the creep Sanford, 4th,


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

This isn't a conspiracy theory.

Yes it is, moron.

It is looking like cover-up at very high levels.

No, it isn't, moron.

And if it is so obviously frivolous, ridiculous and silly, well then why not prove it so and produce the long form BC?

Because the State of Hawaii doesn't do that. They have laws. The laws allow them to issue a COLB. It is verified. They aren't going to change the law because a bunch of deranged lunatics insist they must.

We are asking for a copy of the original hospital generated piece of paper that Hawaiian officials claim to have in their vault.

Too bad. You can't have it. You can't have it for anyone born in the State of Hawaii. You can look at the COLB. That's the law. Deal with it.

Isn't this the very reason why “all 57 states” of the union have adopted a policy of keeping birth records?

No, the states don't keep records to accommodate insane people. That is not the reason.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Amen to that!


Brian H.
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

You do realize that the rule for Presidential Candidacy is worded as “Natural Born Citizen?”

I firmly believe Obama meets this, but get your facts straight.


mantis
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

Personally, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, and there's something embarassing on the full Certificate of Live Birth that he wants to keep private.

Personally, I believe you are an idiot who hasn't a clue what he/she is talking about. The certificate the state issued is the only one they issue. There are no others to be had. Deal with it.


B1RD67
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

Did any of these wingnuts questions McGrumpy's birth in Panama?


homogenius
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Wrong again. The campaign produced a certified copy of Obama's birth certificate. This is the same thing I have from the State of California that I used to obtain my passport. It is what Obama used to obtain his passport and security clearance as a Senator.

This is the only thing that is available from the State of Hawaii. The top officials in Hawaii have stated publicly that the certified copy that Obama provided is the real thing. The so-called “long form” original is a state record and under state law cannot be made available to the public.

In order for the certified copy to be faked, multiple officials in the State of Hawaii would have to be involved in a massive conspiracy.

But the bottom line is this: No matter how much evidence is provided, or how many assurances from Hawaii state officials, the birthers are never going to believe that he is a citizen.


AdmC
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Let's play along and pretend Obama was born in THE KREMLIN:

Constitution of the United States, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition: “Natural born citizen. Persons who are born within the jurisdiction of a national government, i.e. in its territorial limits, or those born of citizens temporarily residing abroad.”

George Romney presedential candidate in 1968, born in Chihuahua, Mexico; parents were U.S. citizens so he was a natural born citizen.

John McCain presedential candidate in 2000 and 2008 born in Panama; his father was stationed in the service, also “natural born”


Alan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

“then why do you believe the Republican party took NO action to keep him from being on the general election ballot?”

Stephen I would like to add if Barack Obama was not eligible, wouldn’t Senator Hillary Clinton have done every possible to expose this so Senator Obama would not steal the Democratic nomination away from her?


Brian H.
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

I like the part where you ignore long standing laws and evidence.


Ed Weirdness
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

So, what is the problem with President Obama providing a copy of his birth certificate for scrutiny? It seems like a perfectly reasonable request considering the man is restructuring our economy. It's little short of irresponsible for President Obama to continue to allow this corrosive speculation to continue if he has the simple ability to put the issue to rest once and for all. His refusal to take this simple, prudent, responsible action only fuels speculation that something isn't right. Indeed, if that ultimately proves to be the case, he and all involved should be brought up on charges of treason. You do realize that we went to war in Iraq because the bizarre egotist Sadam Hussein refused to provide proof or allow demonstration through investigation that no WMD's existed. One can only speculate what might have been if Iraq's leader had simply complied with a reasonable inquiry, and allowed inspectors access.


B1RD67
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

“Personally, I believe Obama was born in Hawaii, and there's something embarassing on the full Certificate of Live Birth that he wants to keep private.”

Something embarrasing huh… oh, I know, maybe it says that he's black!. Assprobe would be a more approriate screename because you wouldn't know logic if it bit you on your ass!


twosurfside
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

You're right. The birth issue only distracts from the real issues at hand. Those complaining about the distraction, please read and comment on the healthcare bill post below. That is a real issue that must be understood. Unless you really want the government as your ONLY healthcare option, then your support for Obama has been hijacked for an agenda of which you may not be aware.


Wendy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

The certificate produced by Obama is the only certificate Hawaii produces. My son was born in Hawaii, and his birth certificate is just like the one Obama produced, which was authenticated by the state. Time to move on, fellas. This horse, she is dead.


annoyed
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

Yackety Smackety you wing nut freak. This has been hashed and rehashed and NO MATTER HOW MANY TIMES you are presented with the truth you will still refuse to accept it. So please get out your tin fol and perhaps stick your finger in an electric socket. Do you know how annoying it is in this day and age to have idiots like you who refuse to accept reality?

Obama Won. get over it.


AdmC
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

speaking of “facts,” learn what “natural born” means–children born abroad of US citizens are considered “natural born”

this is settled law, legal precedent and is in Black's legal dictionary


Greg H
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

Re: Brian H

Yes I am fully aware, hence the fact that he was born to a US citizen making him quite properly a Natural Born US Citizen and acceptable from a legal standpoint as president without it mattering where on earth he was born. Hence McCain being born in Panama being all a ok, hence the children of US businessmen doing business out of the country still counting as natural born citizens. I was born in london, england, I technically could claim UK citizenship, but as far as any government is concerned I am, and always have been, a US citizen, from birth.


Nonnie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

You hit the nail on the head! It's a black and white issue! It has been the underlying issue from start on this stupid fake birth certificate theory. I'd love to see the opinions from these “Birthers” if they think a black man should or shouldn't be elected president. I think you'll find the real answer behind their rants.

I believe if President Obama personally took these Birthers by the hand to Hawaii and actually showed them his actual birth certificate that is on file they still wouldn't believe it because that isn't the real reason they'd like to see him out of office.

The Birthers need to face reality. He is a black man, he was elected and he is our President. Get over it.


AdmC
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

Cook obtained an attorney beforehand, arranged this volunteer assignment just so he could obtain standing to file suit

it is all a stunt to get into court

I guess he wants to be famous–and he no is famous — but as one big idiot


mobedda
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

I suppose it makes me an elitist to be so offended by counterfactual thought, but if that's what I have to put up with, so be it.


Joe Einloth
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

Dude, you’re pretty computer savvy! Name a price for the autographed birth certificates! ROFLMAO!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

“Through attrition, private insurance will go away altogether over time, as people change jobs, get laid off, etc.; leaving the government plan as the only available option.”
You say that like it’s a bad thing not to get ripped off by insurance companies…


AdmC
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

HE DOES NOT NEED TO–HE IS A NATURAL BORN NO MATTER WHERE HE WAS BORN

WHY DO YOU NEED TO SEE IT?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Soetoro is the name of Barack (“Barry”) Obama II’s stepfather. Barack’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, a US citizen was born (of US citizens) in Kansas. She moved with her parents to Hawaii in 1960 after she had completed high school (near Seattle). She met Obama Sr, a fellow student (born in Kenya) at the University of Hawaii and married him (in Hawaii) in 1961. She divorced him in 1964. Subsequently she married Lolo Soetoro when Barack (II, or Barry) was about 6. Dunham and Soetoro had a daughter Maya, Barack’s half-sister. The State of Hawaii stands behind the birth certificate. Obama is not lying or hiding anything regarding his background. I hope this helps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

McCain was born the child of active military service man and his wife, both American citizens and presented his birth certificate as requested. Obama, on the other hand, admits that his father was Kenyan, not an American citizen. His mother had been born and reared in Kansas prior to relocating to Hawaii, and is a citizen. At the age of two, Obama was adopted by an Indonesian citizen, taking on that citizenship as well as the Muslim religion, and was enrolled in a Jakarta School as such. He never documented that he renounced his Indonesian citizen status after turning 18. He tavelled to Pakistan on something other than a United States passport at the age of 23, long after his citizenship status should have been formally reclaimed. Applying to college, registering for the draft and travel all require that such documentation be provided. Likewise, dual citizenship compromises the concept of natural born… We as American Citizens have much to learn with regard to the interpretation of this clause in the Constitution, and as a former Professor of Constitutional Law, Obama should be able and prepared to clarify how he does so. On another point, it is bizarre to hear a US President, in his speeches around the world, pointing out that he sees things differently from typical Americans because his father is Kenyan, not American. I believe that is the POINT. Not only has he takin issue with our Judeo-Christian founding concepts, he has issue with our American bred Patriotism. It is my belief that, when the deepest instinct is challenged, only a natural born citizen of the United States can or would be unwavering in orientation, which, arguably, Obama is not. Companies engaged in selling life insurance cite a study that claims that we are the result of what we experienced at age ten.


Greg H
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

HE DID PROVIDE THE STUPID THING. Ed, have you paid attention to any of the comments or the original article or anything else. The actual real birth certificate issued to him/his mother by the state of Hawai'i has been provided repeatedly upon request and is available online. He isn't actually restructuring our economy, he is doing very little to the structure of our economy (unfortunately, given that our economy has been broken since Nixon and in worse need of restructuring than GM), and it doesnt matter where he was born, his mom was a US citizen at the time of his birth, making him automatically a natural born US citizen regardless of where he was born. Barack Obama's mom could have given birth to him in mexico, bali, mars, jupiter, alpha century or the andromeda galaxy and so long as she was a US citizen, he is too, from birth. Like Romney and McCain.


karela
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Hawaii is a state in the Union. Their legal word is and should be as compelling as that of of New York, California, Texas or Ohio. The state of Hawaii has many times repeated it's certainty of Obama's birth there and his legal citizenship. If the Republican party really cared as much about the rule of law as they claim, instead of about partisan below the belt bashing, they could put this entire thing to rest. All it would take would be a strong statement of Obama's legitimacy that was presented by Republican and Democratic House and Senate leadership and that was signed by the House and Senate Republicans and Democrats. They know that this is ridiculous. Why should the state of Hawaii be treated as though it weren't a “real” state in the United States of America. Since 1959 Hawaii's senators and congressional representatives have been proving their citizenship with Hawaiian birth certificates. This is only a big deal because the President is black and has a funny name. Time for the Congress and Senate of the United States to step up and speak for what they know to be the truth. How about a little patriotism from the elected leaders of the country???


AdmC
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

BTW, Saddam DID ALLOW access and the inspectors found NO WMDs

I suppose you didn't read THOSE reports EITHER?

Boy, you do tend to ignore evidence all around you!


Greg H
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

Nope. First off, this isn't Obama's bill, this is Congresses' specifically I believe you are looking at the House of Representatives proposed bill.

Secondly, no, you do not understand what that means, what that means is that any new private insurance oyu buy will have to be under the rules established by this bill, ie being portable, and all the other new rules for how private insurancce operates.

You are hitting on the grandfather clause saying that no currently existing plan will be changed for those currently on it and then assuming, completely erroneously, that that means that you wont be able to buy a private plan ever again unless you are grandfathered in. That is just stupidly misreading the bill, either out of ignorance of the style of how such legal docs are written, purposeful misrepresentation, or idiocy.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

“You do realize that we went to war in Iraq because the bizarre egotist Sadam Hussein refused to provide proof or allow demonstration through investigation that no WMD’s existed.”

You do realize that Iraq did provide that information, corroborated by UNMOVIC, and that there were inspectors on the ground also confirming that, when Bush told them to get out of the country because he was about to bomb it, right?
Are you seriously saying that there were no inspectors in Iraq? Seriously?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

You start your post with something about hanging on to racism.. Wow does any O bummer supporter possess the facilities to form an original thought??
As to why a REP did not call anything into question..

1. Hilary’s people were the ones who initiated this whole thing.. sheesh the whole lot of you are like trying to tell .. a democrat something in plain English hard to grasp anything not spoon fed by the dimwitted Dems you support so….weirdly ..

2. Why not a Prominent Rep running for the office.. Do you think at all pea brain?
Probably because.. had a Republican dared call his eleigbility into question .. do you think there is a chance in hell he or she would not have been labeld a RACIST.. ..just much more vehemently then Bill or Hillary Clinton.. wow don’t you think ..

oh I forgot your don’t have to think, you let others THINK for you.. I hope you all at the very least repay mom and dad for that free room and board.. such ignorance must be your public education…

But honestly I don’t think anyone that is crying racists here is anything more than one the the thousands on O bummers payroll..


edge
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

yet, the healthcare bill says nothing about the government being the sole provider of healthcare.


edge
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

RTFA: “the (Obama)campaign (re)produced a Certificate of Live Birth from the state’s (Hawaii) Health Department”


JimPA
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

Don’t be surprise. I was just seeing if anyone figure it all out. Nice play stephenperry. Now answer your door.


Fred Harris
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Because I would like to see it.
It interests me.


thinkwell
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Who is this guy, anyway?

Regarding the digital COLB, an online image is easily altered and is meaningless as real evidence (legally it is hearsay). As far as I know, no court, judge or government official responsible for certifying the candidates or the election has ever actually touched or seen an official State copy of either 0bama's COLB or the original long form BC (which, by the way, he claims in his autobiography to have found while in high school – so why doesn't he show it?).

In the minority of States that even required it at all, 0bama's vetting consisted of Pelosi (as party head) and 0bama signing a statement that the candidate met all necessary qualifications. No state or impartial government official has ever done any actual checking or verification. 0bama, as an employee of We the People, has a responsibility to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he is a Natural born citizen. Right now, the number of people who are coming to have serious doubts about 0bama's bona fides hovers around 50 percent and is growing by leaps and bounds every day.

If he were to open up his records to the same degree as have prior candidates (for example, McCain), then most people would be satisfied and all this would stop (one way or the other). :)

Of course, since he's been so secretive to date, he would need to be extra transparent about the process (hey, didn't somebody somewhere promise just that?). For example, he could call in impartial neutral experts (perhaps from both sides) such that they could examine and verify his original vault birth certificate, his missing school records, adoption records, passport applications and any other records that may directly relate to his Natural born citizenship status. Further he would probably have to direct the SCOTUS to rule on the definition of Natural born citizen (because he was born with dual allegiance and dual citizenship due to his foreign father).

This list is perhaps a little longer than normal, but he has a background that is more than a little weirder than normal and he has been more than a little more secretive than normal, so this is to be expected.

If he took the bull (so to speak – you 0bama supporters should like that) by the horns and actively and openly faced all these doubts head on AND his qualifications actually survived (like all past Presidents surely would have), then no one could reasonably question his legitimacy again. Anything less, and this cancer of doubt will continue to grow unchecked to the detriment of all.

Think well — see clearly.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

First of all, who is “we”? Am I to assume your speaking of the entire repulsive party? Second, why don’t you, since your so hell bent about it, take your ass to the hospital in which the man was born, and get the certificate your damn self. Why does “we” have to do it for you? Don’t waste another minute, go, get the job done so you can put yourself and all the other racists little pigs in this country to rest. That is what this is about anyway. This has been debunked several times over and it is a lost cause. BO doesn’t have to show you are your ilk a damn thing. Well, off to another blogg, I feel like dumping on Sara Palin today. If your stupid and you know it, quit your job….if your stupid and you know it quit your job…la la la la la la la la…….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

I just went and looked at both my and my husbands birth certificate. Mine is from Kansas and I got my copy from 1982. It says across the top. Certificate of Live Birth. My husband was born in Oklahoma and we got his copy in 2006, It also says Certificate of Live Birth.

Your statement just went out the window. They are called Certificate of Live Birth.


karela
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Yeah, it would take a mass conspiracy—–that goes back to the time of his birth when his birth announcement was published in the Honolulu newspaper. And then of course there are the friends and relatives who knew him as a kid in Hawaii, the pictures taken there with his family when he was a little kid, the friends of his mother's who remember what a cute baby he was when he was born. But you're right, crazy people don't care about proof.


edge
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

Out of context.

But, this is a standard tactic nowadays: pull a small part out of something and make the entire issue about it, devoid of the rest of the content. It is disingenuous, lazy and intellectually dishonest.


twosurfside
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

Did you read the bill? Here it is: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

Here is the section to which I am referring. All current issuers (i.e.: all current private insurance companies) will NOT be allowed to write new policies when the law goes into effect. Think it through. What option does that leave for you?

****************************************************************************************
SEC. 102. PROTECTING THE CHOICE TO KEEP CURRENT COVERAGE.
(a) Grandfathered Health Insurance Coverage Defined- Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, for
purposes of establishing acceptable coverage under this division, the term ‘grandfathered health insurance
coverage’ means individual health insurance coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the first day
of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
(1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT-
5
(A) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer
offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of
coverage is on or after the first day of Y1.
****************************************************************************************


ellie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

A reservist a major named Cook,
said his presidents birth was mistook
claimed his premise though smarmy
got him thrown outta da’ army
yea the military don’t need no schnook


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

My Certificate of Live Birth is from Kansas. That is what is says. I got this copy in 1982. My husband’s says the same thing Certificate of Live Birth and his is from Oklahoma and we got his copy in 2006.


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ben guthrie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Actually it doesn't matter where he was born. One is “native born” if at least one of your parents is a US citizen at the time of your birth. For instance, George Romney ( Mitt's father ) who also ran for the republican nomination was born in Mexico City. no problem, his parents were US citizens.

the distinction is between “native born”, that is by circumstances of birth, and “naturalized” ( like Arnold )


truthmatterz
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

a spokesman for Centcom took issue with Taitz’s claim, made in a WorldNetDaily story, that this decision verified conspiracy theories about the president’s birth. Later that night, Sean Hannity cited the story on his Fox News show and used Taitz’s version of the facts, not Centcom’s.

“Major Cook and his lawyer expressed joy at this outcome,” said Hannity. “And they took it as an admission on the part of the military that the president is not in fact a legitimate citizen by birth.”
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I don't think it is news to anybody that so-called conservatives only support the part of the troops and military that happen to agree with them.

Isn't Sean Hannity a high school drop out anyway? Maybe he should be excused for not understanding that Hawaii is one of the 50 United States.


dragonlady52
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:29 pm

The definition of “natural born citizen” includes someone who is born to an American citizen anywhere in the world. I learned this in second grade. I am amazed at how many people don't know this. Basic civics seems to be missing in today's educational curriculum.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

“Now imagine for a moment if the numbers of those soldiers goes up to say, 1000, or 3000, entire Reserve units… yea, This is a serious issue.”
If they couldn’t be bothered to not participate in an illegal war, somehow I get the feeling you getting the vapors over Obama isn’t all that important.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Birthers are deranged and need to get a life. Speak to a real issue. This one just shows how low the educational level in the US is.


edge
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

No.. because the groundwork has been laid to deny any additional evidence. People have already stated anything now produced would be a forgery. None of the other candidates have produced a “vault copy long form”, there is no “like all past Presidents surely would have”. indeed this is all at it's base an attack based on looks. No one else running for president has been asked these questions. Did you ask it of Bush, perhaps Barb gave birth while out of the country? Clinton? perhaps his mom skipped down to Mexico? Bush Sr? His dad and mom did do a lot of overseas travel. Reagan?

grow up


ldyforce6
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

I want to see RUSH, Hannity, et.al.'s Birth Certificates! I want them all to go through the same scrutiny that Obama has had to go through and have people dog them!

This is ridiculous.

First of all, the birth certificate IS legitmate if it comes form the STATE of Hawaii's department of statiscs. Many have had to get “copies” of thier birth certificates to get Passports, etc since it IS difficult to keep track of the orignal for MANY people expecially when you move a lot.

Secondly, WHY would his parents have felt the need to do anything when he was born to perpetuate such a “farce”. Did they know he would grow up to be a politician.

And, finally, there are copies to be found in TWO NEWSPAPERS announcing his birth! Are THEY are in on all this as well!

Too bad these people didn't care about George Bush's military record (or lack there of) as they are on this nonsense. IF that had been dogged as much, perhaps, we would not be in the mess we are right now in this country.


AdmC
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

you are thinking of the novelty certificates–like the one I have that even has my baby footprints on it

not valid for the top secret clearance I had years ago–I had to get the one similar the O has posted to get the security clearance as well as my passport–that is the “real deal” the only valid one you can obtain from the government for legal purposes

now why are we not asking about every other politician's birth certificates? How do we know where they were REALLY born and what THEY are HIDING?

could it be the color of Obam's skin?


Danae777
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

Look, for 45 bucks he can get his long form Certificate and the matter is OVER. Only in liberal land is 45$>1,000,000$.
Instead he is fighting it in COURT? WHY? Just produce the documentation! Isn't that a WHOLE lot easier? I mean he said in his book he had them right, so why not produce the Long form?

Because he CAN'T. The Army REVOKED Major Cook's orders instead of producing the documents. Such a SIMPLE thing, unless you don't have any, or are honestly NOT a natural Born Citizen.

Pony up the paper Usurper Obama.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

The law states the following

“If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at
the time of ones birth, that parent must have resided in the United States
for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16″

O's father was not a U.S. citizen. While O's mother was a citizen she does not pass that test since she was 18 when O was born. She CANNOT pass her citizenship on to him.

Therefore it becomes of crucial importance whether or not O was born in the U.S. or outside the U.S. If he was born outside the U.S. he is not a citizen.

The birth certificate would prove the issue once and for all. All O has to do to shut everyone up is the call upon Hawaii to release all his birth records. He has not done that and as a result that leads to suspicion.


madmainer
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

There is a great circular argument the “birthers” use to maintain their indignation. It goes a little something like this.

Birther: Please show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

Clerk: Here is the legal form of his birth certificate available to public inquiry.

Birther: Obviously that is a fake. Show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

Clerk: That is the only legal document available… same for every citizen of this state.

Birther: Obviously you are on the take. Show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

Clerk: Here is a certified declaration by the state at our highest levels that this birth certificate is authentic.

Birther: Obviously you are all on the take. Show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

Clerk: There is nothing more I can do for you. Our legal obligation to provide documentation in this matter has been met.

Birther: See! Obama has no proof that he was born in the US. If he did, he could show us a valid document listing where he was born! Show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

It is a simple matter that has already been resolved. It was easy to resolve and it has been. The problem that continues to swirl these accusations is the fact that Birthers ignore all of this. It is like asking a blind person to tell you the color of the sky. He can firmly tell you any color he thinks because he is incapable of determining the truth.

Birthers will not and in some cases do not have the capability (mentally) to see the facts that have been legally certified.


Chad S
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

The birther brain donors also think that there's no proof that Obama was in the US until 2007. Logic, reason and facts are wasted on them.


Roger
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

You know, if I were the President, I would be more than happy that these rumors keep going. Even if credible, you have have to realize how “looney” these allegations actually sound to the general public. The republican party is already hard pressed to attract moderates. Having this controversy that sounds to the non-ideological segment of the population as complete craziness only makes the left look more reasonible. Look at it this way… Those who support the president will NEVER give this story a second thought, those inclinded to believe he is not a citizen wouldn't vote for him regardless.. and the vast majority in the middle will more than likely think those promoting this story as “cooks”. Unless there is absolute proof he isn't a citizen, which probably doesn't exist 8 mnths into his term… the President wins this one.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

p.s. The “certification of live birth” was released electronically and did not come from Hawaii but from a campaign staffer. Furthermore that is a different document than an actual “birth certificate” which shows things like which hospital he was born in and the name of the doctor that delivered him.


bobkat5
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

This eligibility controversy is going to be a HUGE campaign issue in 2012. Obama's long form BC, his school records, his state senate records, and all other records must be produced with full transparency to lay this matter to rest now.


logicprobe
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

“Something embarrasing huh… oh, I know, maybe it says that he's black!.”

Actually, that information is on the “short form” which has been widely published. It says, “Father's Race: African”.

“Assprobe would be a more approriate screename”

Pretty lame ad hominem. Try again, after some fact checking, okay?


Danae777
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Sorry, but having been born in Hawaii, I can tell you for certain that ANY child regardless of where they were born could get a Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth. Maya, Obama's sister has a Hawaii COLB even though she was born in Indonesia. Things in Hawaii were pretty loose back then. Still are. That being said, that COLB is NOT evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. Only the LONG FORM would be, and I am betting that it lists a home address for place of birth, which is how any child could get a COLB in Hawaii. I know that for certain, because my Long form has a place to use a street address for place of birth, all you need to do is have a “witness” sign it as well. I was born in Queens Hospita, and because of that I have a Dr..'s name on it as well.

Obama's will too. IF he has one that lists a hospital, which Iagain, I am betting it DOES NOT.

OWN it, you Democrats didn't vet your Candidate, and now we have a POTUS that may not even be qualified, and is resisting PROVING that he is to the tune of 1 MILLION bucks!!!

Hello! That alone STINKS to high heaven. A Long Form Certificate would be SO much cheaper! Don't you think?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

Wiley has signed off all the sudden. You can’t get news from Fox and sound like you know what the hell your talking about, much less sound smart about it.


Keith Pollard
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

Here is some facts, the Maj. who is obviously a coward, tried to use this stupid certificate reason to hide his sissy position. Now that he is also out of his contractor job, he can hide under his bed until the war is over.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Let me state a couple things up front:

1. Dave Weigel is a liar. Not only that, but after he wrote about me on his personal site, he refused to approve a comment I left showing how he was wrong.

2. Okubo (the Dep't of Health spokeswoman) is either lying or confused. Go take a look. She says there's only the short-form of certificates, yet a simple search will show a long-form certificate at several sites. What she told someone else is easily seen to be false. Whether she was lying or just wrong isn't known.

If you want the truth about this issue – no speculation, no tinfoil hat talk, and no attempts to mislead such as Weigel engages in – see my completely fact-based overview.

This post will probably be followed by a series of comments designed to mislead or just throw up dust. Few of those people will have read or understood the link and will simply use the same old misleading statements debunked at the link above. Their goal is to mislead; don't let them do it.


Greg H
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Nice way of conveniently not posting the entirety of the section. It says “Except as provided in this paragraph” and then you ignore said paragraph. Also you seemingly ignore the fact that this is disussing buying it outside of any plan, just you as an individual going and buying it, something which a very tiny percentage do. With an employer mandate, even fewer will. So you don't include the exemptions and you ignore a crucial point. As I said either intellectual dishonesty, ignorance or outright idiocy.


Danae777
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

LOL RIIIIIGHT. At least Hannity knows that there are only 50, as opposed to Obama telling us he has visited all 57….. umhum. What are the names of those other 7 again? I missed that part of American History I guess…..


madmainer
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

It is the same certificate released for all Hawaii residents. Hawaii officials at the highest level of state government have certified that this certificate is accurate and authentic.

Keep ignoring the facts… It is the only way you can sustain your argument.


logicprobe
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

“The certificate produced by Obama is the only certificate Hawaii produces.”

Oh really? Then I guess the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands is lying when it says:

“The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth.”


dragonlady52
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Following your logic the citizenship of everyone in government-and everyone else, for that matter-is open to question.
It isn't likely that any kind of conditions would satisfy the perpetrators of this distraction since most, if not all, don't believe in its substance themselves.


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slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

Where is the proof for this claim “resisting PROVING that he is to the tune of 1 MILLION bucks!!!”?


Greg H
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

Becuase there IS no such thing as a “long form certificate” available from the state of Hawai'i? Because he hasnt spent any money fighting it in court, these things get thrown out before they reach that part.
Because he was born to a US citizen so this entire discussion is pointless, doesnt matter where on earth (or even if he wasnt born on earth) so long as a parent was a US citizen.
Because the army's officer corps isnt exactly an “unbiased” group of people politically (i think it is 70% republican, last time I heard numbers quoted, compared to the like 19% of the actual general population)
Because the army is allowing his orders to be revoked so the man can have his day in court and therefore is just following proper procedure.

Because you are an idiot who cannot stand the fact that democracy works and your hypocritical, criminal and downright unamerican candidate/party lost. Deal with it, it happens. Now go and try to win an election over this issue. It will make Alf Landon, Barry Goldwater, Walter Mondale and George McGovern look like they were competitive.


Milly Bloom
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

Do you not think that Hillary Clinton would have found and used any evidence in the primaries that would delegitimize her major rival for the White House? There are many pressing issues that need attention, but this is not one of them.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Unfortunately, far too little and far too late. And, I would suspect someone, if not everyone in the White House knew about Abu Ghraib and the attorneys firings.


Danae777
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Consider this for a moment, If Obama isn't a legitimate President, then the Major is not only correct and doing his duty, he is a hero. The Military is in the middle now, with only a thin veneer of having a legal chain of command. If any other soldiers do this, they can expect to also have their orders revoked. Now imagine for a moment if the numbers of those soldiers goes up to say, 1000, or 3000, entire Reserve units… yea, This is a serious issue.

Obama ONLY needs to provide a long form birth certificate! And its EASY to get! But he refuses? Why on earth refuse something SO SIMPLE?? Because either he can't, or it proves he is not a Natural Born Citizen.


logicprobe
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

“you are thinking of the novelty certificates–like the one I have that even has my baby footprints on it”

No, I am thinking of an official goverment document. Generally it's a scan of the actual paper form filled out by the attending physician at the time of birth. The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands web site refers to the two types:

“The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth.”


Roger
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Here's the problem Bobkat… The MASS MAJORITY of americans already believe he is a citizen The President can sit back and watch all you guys say this and say that and basically say look how crazy the repubs are. You have to remember that the support the “birther” movement has is just preaching to the choir. The general public will not be with u on this one without substantial proof. If it existed u bets believe Clinton would have found it during the primary. Addittonally, don't u guys realize a full background check is done on every canidate. NO WAY A MAN CAN GET INTO THE WHITE HOUSE WITHOUT A COMPLETE CHECK. Again, sounds like completely looney.


Greg H
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

I only hope that is true, we will beat the republican'ts by the largest margin in history if they think they can get traction arguing what is essentially a Bircher position. (yes I did mean Bircher not Birther, anyone not in the know that is a referrence to the Birch Society a bunch of nutters who think floride is a communist conspiracy and McCarthy was right)


taotebjp
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

More proof that the right wing is inhabited by racist nutjobs with absoultely no sense of reality.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

Hmmm, a problem with YOUR theory .. numbers don’t add up.

EVEN with your million acorn mickey’s and the students jumping around states registering and early voting all over.. even with your pawned translated ballots for don’t ask don’t tell illegal votes..

Allot of Democrats will not vote him in.. Allot of Libertarians will not vote him in.. ALLOT off Republicans who WILL NOT vote for him AGAIN..

then you are left trying to get the Independent voters.. who like so many people world wide like the man.. But he is not a world stage leader.. maybe a UN leader but not a World leader especially from the US Capital.. Man is in above his pay grade.. for sure..

So sorry to burst your bubble youngin .. but its not gonna happen..


Ola
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

When we talk about racism, people are prepared to go to any lengths.

Sad the republicans will never change to me,they are the face of hatred.

Leave Obama alone.

Ola Paris


David Weigel
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

So your argument is that a “a simple search” on the internet is more factual than an official statement from the government of Hawaii? Heh.


Roger
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

Because the whole controversy makes the right look like loonitics. I'm not judging anyone, but the only people that give this story even the slightest of credibility is the FAR right. Dems are more than happy to have the right champion a cause that make u “LOOK” crazy.


Roger
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

This is exactly what the general public thinks of this…. like it or not.


patience
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

He has already provided the only certificate that Hawaii gives it's citizens AND there are birth announcements, produced from both major HI newspapers, where his birth was announced in 1961.

Please provide a link that explains where Obama is fighting an order to produce anything in court. Crazy birthers are going to court to try to get the court to make Obama provide something he already has provided.

The army revoked major Cook's order because he is a NATIONAL GUARD VOLUNTEER, and as such, has the right to chose not to be deployed.


Danae777
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

Sure, the Certificate is valid. It does NOT prove he was born in Hawaii. The long form WILL if it shows that he was born in hospital. If there is a street address listed for his birth, then it is quite possible he was born somewhere else.

The long form CAN be gotten. It would be EASY for him to get it, they could have it printed out 2 minutes after getting the request! It would settle EVERYTHING. Why isn't he doing that? Thats by FAR the easiest thing to do. But he refuses. WHY? Everyone should be asking this, and Democrats ought to be pissed as HELL that the party didn't do this for them already! Democrats, more than anyone else, got seriously ripped off, and if I were you guys, I would be demanding it as well! If only because if he isn't Natural Born, then he defrauded all of you and he OWES you on that score!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

They’re undereducated and proud of it!


twosurfside
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

“Except in this paragraph” refers to the grandfather clause (a); meaning existing policies can remain in force. “(A) IN GENERAL” refers to all new policies, stating that the issuer cannot issue new policies; meaning that you will not have the choice to get a private private policy after the law is in force, because the issuers (insurance companies) will not be allowed to issue a policy to you.

I also posted the link to the entire bill to prove that my excerpt was not doctored or taken out of context. Please read it before you comment.

Look, this is not a matter of party politics for me. It has to do with the freedom of choice that I (and all Americans) should except. If you want to enroll in a government plan, that's your choice. But don't try to force me to enroll too.


Greg H
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

Nope, even if he is correct and Obama isnt eligible for the presidency, then Biden would be president and it isnt like biden wouldnt so order anyway. Plus it is MUTINY to refuse to follow a direct order from your superiors.

“Obama ONLY needs to provide a long form birth certificate! And its EASY to get! “
No it isnt, because, THE STATE OF HAWAI'I DOES NOT ISSUE SUCH THINGS. The only documents which one can get from said state are presented already. done. End of story. You are just a conspiracy theorist nutjob who cannot accept that elections sometimes dont go your way.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

Dude, if I may call you dude: my linked website has been online since 9/02 and I’m not about to jeopardize my credibility by making something like that up.

If you dispute anything I’m saying, the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, you’re just trying to throw up dust.


Lava Lee Pyre
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Yeah, that's it: You're not mistaken, it's the other people who are lying or confused!
How Convenient!
It doesn't matter how many links you put up, or how many “Fact-based overviews” you post, they mean nothing unless you can prove that Mrs. Okubo is lying. and you can't. and you know it.


tina11111
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

The birthers are about as stupid as the people who claimed that Palin's baby wasn't hers.

No proof will ever be good enough for the lunatics out there.


geo12
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

These “birthers” are idiots. If it wasn't this there would be some other issues that would have their panties in a bunch. Obama won the election. He is the president, like it or hate it. Just grow up and deal with. Three and half more years is all you have to wait. It will go by quickly, the years always do.


m
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

0bama has refused to release any of the documents concerning his early life: college transcripts, passport records, genuine Long Form Original Birth Certificate. Hell, he won't even release his medical records!

He is a manufactured puppet mesmerizing us while we are bound up in a National Socialist fascist State.
Impeach.
Depose.
Imprison.
Sic semper tyrannis


davidvolz
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

Reservists who volunteer for duty have the right to back out up until the day they are deployed. Why did he volunteer (in May) in the first place? Obama was President in May — or did he not realize that? What a nutjob.


Iskra
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

Treason.


FreakOfNurture
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

Even entertaining your deranged argument for a moment, how could that possibly make him unqualified? It wouldn't lessen the experience he has had and his education and being a constitutional freakin law professor.

Do you really think that because dumbya was from Connecticut that he was actually QUALIFIED???

Where did this theory even come from to begin with???


patience
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

Dimwit – The FBI does the background check on the POTUS, not Nancy Pelosi.


Danae777
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Sorry Zippy, but having been born in Hawaii I CHECKED with them. If I needed it I could GET it.


Ricardo
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

Intelligent conversation about Obama’s birth certificate = oxyMORON.


Danae777
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:00 pm

I could get my Long form if I needed it. I know, I called the HDH and asked.


richheithold
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

I did not realize that there are long form, short form, electronic certificates, etc. Since, everyone was paid off, according to the “birthers,” then this would seem to be a big waste of time. Birthers, (you don't mind if I call you birthers) Fox News, World Net, Limbaugh, Hannity have all duped you folks into this insanity. Don't you have anything better to do than develop paranoid, delusional, neurotic and just plain stupid ideas. Admit it, the old Pillsbury dough boy, Beck, has you all turned into his program, buying his books and buying his craziness!! And let's pretend Obama is an illegal alien and has to quit. The birthers are still irrelevant in 2010 through 3000.


ridiculous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

generously ignoring the blatant misinformation in this article (for example, Obama's half-sister also has a Hawaii COLB but was definitely not born in the state), i can't help but wonder why if i had to pay$10 to get and to show a certified copy of my original, long-form birth certificate to get a driver's license, then what's the big deal about producing a certified copy of same to be President?

as per watergate, it's not the offense, it's the cover-up; $10 to release the long form birth certificate (which is not the same as the COLB) would clear this up completely.

Occam's Razor suggests there is something to hide.


Danae777
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

Ever read the constitution? Maybe you SHOULD instead of believing what your sheepherders tell you.

As for OholyO, he should put up the document or RESIGN.


Dessert39
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

You are mistaken about the Army part. Since Major Cook's enlistment was voluntary (in May) he had a certain amount of time to change his mind. Since he changed his mind (yeah, right) a month later, the Army automatically rescinded his orders. This was all staged by Major Cook and the attorney to bring this idiotic issue into the press again. That is why the case was dismissed yesterday. The fact that the Army had already rescinded the deployment based on Major Cook's request rendered the lawsuit moot!!


evreport
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

I'm glad the country is in such great shape that Birfer idiots can spend their time harassing government this way.


ChillyDogg
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

To be “natural born”, both of your parents must be citizens of the country in which you are born. Obama admits his father was a foreigner at the time of his birth. Therefore he is NOT a natural born citizen and is a usurper. The whole COLB thing is nothing but a red herring to distract from this fact. All of you arguing that if one parent is a citizen it doesn't matter where you are born, or if you are born here to non-citizen parents you are “natural born”, you are totally, completely and absolutely wrong.


Danae777
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

As all reservists are. How many reservists are there and what percentage of US forces are they? Yea, and if a significant number of them ALSO question Obama's legitimacy, then that is a BIG problem. If NOTHING else, that issue has to be cleared up.


David
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

This is beyond disgusting. Because the man's father is Kenyan and Muslim, the President must necessary be foreign-born? He must necessarily be a man that hates America? How long do we as a country have to suffer this nonsense unless the people stirring it up are neutralized as a viable political and cultural force?


metrowestmike
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

It's all so unbelievable. Do you nutcakes really think that on a faraway island 47 years ago some people in a hospital got together, and decided to lie in unison about some little baby – just in case he became President of the United States? That all of the many people who might be in a position to access records the would prove or disprove Obamas citizenship, are all being quiet together? Maybe, one by one, they are all dying in car accidents or in other mysterious ways, you know – to cover up the conspiracy. Maybe when Osama Bin Ladin was 12, he conspired to put this little boy into the US Presidency to facilitate his take over of the world…there are so many possibilities…but we'll never know the truth, will we. You know why, don't you? I know why. It's because “THEY” don't want us to know. Who is “THEY” you ask. In our crazy conspiratorial glee, we never have figured that out… Maybe Ronald Reagan and Elvis are still alive somewhere orchestrating this whole thing…

Find something real to worry about…


trueblue
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:06 pm

Exactly – we have some similarly 'truthful' documents found on the internet for this goon head. LOL.


guyinsanfrancisco
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:07 pm

With the problems in the ecomony and health care, social issues, etc. going on, can we please eject these useless members from congress? They are wasting taxpayer dollars by getting paid to do nothing else then generate stupid conspiracy theories while the country is hurting.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

tell me kelleyye, do you BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET as the gospel truth???

geez, give me a break! just because somebody posts a story on the internet doesn’t make it the truth! pull your head out of the sand and join us in the real world. . .


betha
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:09 pm

You congressmen and senators already KNOW that Hawaii has confirmed over and over that Obama IS a citizen.
Continuing to pretend this is otherwise so your illiterate constuents can disguise racism and hate under this lie of his birth is embarassing and a waste of the time of the 80% of us who aren't racists and have already listened to Hawaii defend this poor man over and over from these ridiculous attacks.

There is not going to be a second Civil War just because a black man has finally entered the front door of the White House. Get over it!


TomMaske
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Sic semper tyrannis? Oh wow, seriously only one historic person used that, and that was John Wilkes Booth. Yes nothing like threatening death to an elected official, must make you feel all warm inside to post that knowing Lincoln (someone who President Obama clearly admires) was shot dead by Booth. You are a traitor to this country and to the Union Lincoln helped to preserve.


Ryan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

This is idiotic.


madmainer
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

It is funny that you claim these individuals are misleading when you in fact mislead on your website.

1) The law you cited was created in 1982 and as such had no precedence at the time Obama was born 21 years earlier. So please cite the laws applicable for the time period that Obama was born.

2) The 1982 provision does not amend a child's records to imply they were born in Hawaii, it only provides a Hawaii birth certificate. That certificate as has already been verified by state officials would show the place of original birth on it. So if Obama was born out of the US, the certificate while issued by Hawaii, would show his original place of birth, not Honolulu.

So in fact you are misleading people with your site. A neutral site without an agenda would have these facts along with the ones that support your position. When it is all taken into context, there would have to be a whole host of individuals at the state level that would actively be participants in a conspiracy to get Obama certified as a natural born citizen. Unless this document was freshly minted they would have to be prognosticators to see into the future that he would become president.

The most likely answer is the simplest one… He was born in Hawaii and has a birth certificate that proves it. He has been sworn into office. At this stage the burden of proof no longer falls on him, but his accusers. Please provide PROOF that he is in fact not a natural born citizen. Everything else is rhetoric and conjecture… nothing more.


kellyeyeisretarded
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

I’m sure your dumbass cracker version of “the best” involves the death of millions of African-American. Fucking retard.


trueblue
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Gosh – wish should just give in and admit – YES – OBAMA is secretly in cahoots to thwart your search! there does that make you feel better? what? no? a new paranoia – geez louise – start taking your meds on a regular basis guy!


mslindab
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

Anyone born in the US is a natural born citizen. What nationality your parents have or don't have doesn't matter. Some are trying to change this to stop the influx of Mexicans who come here pregnant.


Josh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Like this country doesn't have bigger things to worry about that these jerks find it worthwhile to waste taxpayer dollars chasing some conspiracy theory. Obama wasn't elected to office because we all believed him to be a natural citizen. That would suggest that it was the only qualification he needed for a majority vote. Give me a break.


flhu
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

You forgot:

Birther: Show us proof that Obama was born in the US.

Researcher: Here's a birth announcement from the Honolulu Newspaper in 1961.

Birther: You have a time-machine and drink the kool-aid.


robert
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Frankly, this is nothing to do with the issue of where the President was born. It is another type of covert racism. They are making this issue because America has a first black president which some republicans cannot comprehend. These are “allelua” and holier than thou” christians who feel threatened evertime a colored person achieves leadership position. Obama has a perfect family and upbringing with so far no skeletons in the closets. However, if Obama was white then these so called conservatives would have gone to find out with whom he is sleeping as they did to Bill Clinton. Remember Mr. Melon who invested by giving millions to these fringe people to go after Clinton. God save America. Hypocrites all over.


boomking
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Don't you “birthers” get it? You are on the wrong side of history. You will all be remembered as those last scraps of white racists that could not get over the fact that a minority is president. You will be a reminder of ignorance and how NOT to act.

You will NOT be remembered as the heroes who exposed “the truth.” How you could ever think that would happen is mind-boggling.

Do yourself a favor and wise up while you still can.


Joe Hill
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

Hey “m”….

You DO realize that you moonbat radical righties don't have a monopoly on deadly force, don't you?

“Sic semper tyrannis” yourself….

See you at the barricades. :-)


bri
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

he DID show his birth certificate…but does it really matter to you? He could show each and every citizen the document in person and you crazy conspiracy theorists would just say it was a fake…get a life! He’s an American, so start being American and question your government about thing that matter (like health care, the economy, etc) not this frivolous nonsense.


mslindab
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Don't you think Obama has had to show a birth certificate to get a passport, entrance to schools and/or a drivers license? Do you think all forms of gov't have given him a pass his entire life so they could fool us now?


betha
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Check your facts before posting these lies.
You only have to have BOTH parents be citizens if you are born OUTSIDE THE US.

Here, this has links to the actual laws…so stop trying to sell your racist nonsense here.
OBAMA IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES…

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html


soonerman
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Fist Black President….'nuff said. Alan Keyes is even in on it.
Read about Jackie Robinson and others who broke color barriers, you'll see the similar stupid crap.

When color barriers are broke, those with conscious and sub-consious prejudices get exposed.


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Absolutely false. There is NO requirement that EITHER parent be a citizen (thus the concept of “anchor babies” born to illegal farm workers.)

Before you spew such rubbish, howzabout you LOOK IT UP FIRST? Call a lawyer; every one has studies the laws of citizenship in Law School.

Unless you enjoy exposing yourself as a gullible, incurious, vague-minded dipstick; in which case, pray continue.


Ryan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

this is moronic tripe.


Hank
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

Wow! These birthers must really really want Joe Biden to be president!


twosurfside
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

I don't know the truth is. But I pose this question: If the orders are legitimate, then why is the Major not under Court Marshall? Why were his orders simply revoked? Seems a little fishy…


Pete Peters
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

SOMEBODY PLEASE READ THE FEDERAL LAW ! ! !

Persons born in Hawaii (8 USC 1405)
A person born in Hawaii on or after August 12, 1898, and before April 30, 1900, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900. A person born in Hawaii on or after April 30, 1900, is a citizen of the United States at birth. A person who was a citizen of the Republic of Hawaii on August 12, 1898, is declared to be a citizen of the United States as of April 30, 1900.

.


lamar powells
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

your stupid natural born means what it says naturally born in the US both of your parent dont have to be hear they dont even have to be citizen they coul be illegal it doesnt matter if you were born on US soil or property you are a Natural born citizen


mslindab
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Thankfully you folks are dying out. In the future America, you could find yourself in a growing minority fighting for equality from those whom you would deny now.


BlueKansas
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

That is not true. One parent is all that is necessary.


Ken D
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

Could that be because all the wacko’s are buying up all the ammo because they think Obama is gonna take their guns away. Form a circular firing squad morons.


Irritable
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

Which is completely irrelevant, as the Constitution (may I introduce you to that esteemed document?) states that a President must be, and I quote:

“a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States…”

And with that, poof! Your argument is reduced to smoke.


cramflow
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

But if the state of Hawaii has falsified the COLB, then why wouldn't they falsify the long form birth certificate? What would it prove? If it were released, showing Obama to be a citizen, you would all just cry that it was false.


littlepearl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

1 I think it is far more important for a presidential candidate to pass a psych test.
2 Obama's mother and her parents were Americans, ergo Obama is American.
3 Don't these people have a real life?


mp266
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Birthers get lost.


mslindab
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

GOP HI governor has also confirmed Obama's birth certificate is valid. Guess she is on the conpiracy too!?! Such nonsense.


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Obama was born on U.S. soil to an American mother. He is a natural born citizen. You “birthers” are WACKO.


vastleftwingconspiracy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

A few things here folks:

1. The birther movement is comprised of many of the same characters who say 9/11 was a conspiracy by
Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld. Check it out for yourself. Doesn't take much googling.

2. The birther soldier was dismissed by the military. This was touted as a “victory” for the birthers.

3. The next day, he was fired by his employer, who it turns out, has only one client: DOD.

4. Yesterday, the Fed. Ct. dismissed his lawsuit summarily.

Now the guy has no income from the miltary or a civilian job. Good goin!

5. This lawyer got her law degree online. She's completely batsh*t crazy.

Why doesn't BO just release (whatever it is the birthers want him to release) the document?

Because he's rolling on the floor laughing each time he gets to rub these people's noses in their own sh*t.

One lawsuit at a time.


franknelson
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

I try sometimes to listen to Sean Hannity, I really do, but his continuing distortion of facts, his use of out of context quotes to support whatever 'point' he is trying to make, is really unnerving.
For me, it makes everything he says, even if by chance he has something valid to say, completely irrelevant. I don't believe him.
It's unfortunate that talk show hosts like Hannity don't make some reasonable effort to argue their point of view with some intelligence and insight instead of intentional distortion. His continued insistence that there may be some validity to the Obama birth certification question is only one of many cases in which obvious and intentional distortion of fact is his mainstay argument on his show. Doesn't he have anything valid to argue his conservatism? One has to question his motives.

I hope for the sake of our country that his followers do not take him at face value. Even as a commentator, he's a fraud.

frank nelson


littlepearl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

to be natural born, only one parent has to be American. Get over it. He is President and you are not.


Ryan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Oh great…now I'm just waiting for this Osama bin Laden as a 12 year old conspiracy to take hold among these freaks. Someone prove to me right now that Elvis and Reagan aren't behind all of this.


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

He DID produce a certified copy of his birth certificate, you dolt!


Irritable
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

As another poster said, he's had to produce such a document to get passports, drivers licenses, etc. What really chaps you is that he isn't bowing down to these ridiculous demands and jumping through your hoops, and you're using that as a veil to (very poorly) disguise your own racism. Good for him–I wouldn't dignify this junk with compliance, either!


maryoca
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

You misstate the definition of “natural born”. See the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Title 8 of the U.S. Code is even more specific. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

* There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.


FrogWhisperer
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

'birthers' = another name for 'racists'. The ONLY reason these f-tards are doing this is because they can't stand the fact that a black man is our President. Its time to grow up y'all. Time to stop the hate! Stop embarrassing yourselves and our country. Get an education.


greg285
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

Sad and time in America when this type of foolishness gets legitimize in court! If this was a white man, this would not have even been an issue. Get over it Old White America, the country you knew is gone forever and young people have spoken! They do not agree with you logic and/or racists attitude. If you thought these clowns were upset, just wait until 2016? A woman as POTUS! After that? An Hispanic as POTUS…….Priceless


mr. right
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

obama was born during the fake moon landing. wear tin foil on your head or the fluoride will enable him to read your mind!


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

OMG, these people are totally devoid of ANY reasoning skills!! They apparently think that, for his ENTIRE LIFE, Obama has been “getting away” with “fooling” our government into giving him a passport, social security card, jobs, college scholarships and student loans, etc. They need to seek mental health care NOW.


Irritable
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Oh, you mean kind of the way GWB refused to release his military records? Like that?


ih1449
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

There is nothing that anyone could ever produce that would stop the birthers from believing what they wish to believe. Ignorant people, all of them.


AlcheMiss
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

When o when will someone tell these … people … that EVEN IF President Obama WAS born in Kenya, HE WOULD STILL BE AN AMERICAN CITIZEN!!!!!!!! BECAUSE HIS MOTHER is an American???? If he WAS born in Kenya, he would be every bit as American as JOHN McCAIN – who was BORN IN PANAMA!!!!!!!!!

Jeese. What is WRONG with these folks????


Springfieldsfinest
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

all he has to do is show his long form birth certificate. that would put an end to all of this. why cant he produce that?


Tolkien
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

GOPs are not only brain-damaged but spiritually bankrupt. They feast on each other's malevolence, and expose their kinship with Gollum. Behind their masks, they sport Gollum's snarl.


koriparker
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

It all boils down to racism. They don't want a black president. I didn't think they would question John Mcain's birth certificate if he had won the election.


sasha2009
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

Former Reps. Mickey Edwards (R-Okla.) and Chris Shays (R-Conn.) made the argument that if the Republican-controlled Congress had exhibited greater oversight during former President George W. Bush's time in office, they could have prevented some of the most calamitous results of that administration and even saved thousands of lives.

… Shays argued that had more members of Congress, including Republicans, gone to Iraq and visited Abu Ghraib, prisoner abuses would have come to light sooner.

“That would have alerted the administration to what was happening, the command authority to what was happening and it probably would have saved a 1,000 lives,” Shays said.

Shays said the Bush White House abused its powers in a way that resulted in many of the domestic and international problems that have unfolded recently.

“This past Republican Congress hurt this administration by not having some hearings,” said the Connecticut Republican. “Had we had hearings it would have nipped those problems in the bud.”

Mickey Edwards (R-Okla.) was even more critical.

He mocked members of Congress when it came to flexing their constitutional oversight authority.

In particular, he lamented the House Republican lawmakers' unified opposition to holding hearings to investigate the firing of U.S. Attorneys by the Bush White House.

“One of the most shocking things was when the House voted to hold [Counsel Harriet] Miers and [Chief of Staff Josh] Bolten in contempt because they refused to obey a congressional subpoena,” said Edwards.

“Every single member of my party, except for three, walked out. Members of Congress walked out of the chamber rather than stand up as members of Congress so that congressional subpoena (would) be obeyed. Party trumped Constitution.”


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

Get some mental health care, “m.” Maybe you and the rest of the “birthers” can get a group rate.


usurper
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

When Barry Soetoro went to Pakistan in 1981, he was not using the name Barack Obama.
He used his Indonesian name of Barry Soetoro so he could travel to Pakistan with his Indonesian Passport.
He got into Harvard and Columbia the same way his Kenyan father got into the University of Hawaii, foreign student aide.
This is why he refuses to show his PP, school records and birth certificate.
The man is a fraud
By the way
Pakistan was under Martial Law in 1981 when Barry went there to visit the two hot spots of muslim unrest
Rumor?
Then what keeps Barry from showing his documents?

The truth scares him is why


judith
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

Of COURSE they give you a copy. If they gave you the original, the state would no longer have the official record of your birth. Certificates of live birth certify that the infant was born alive. I assume another certificate is used when the infant is stillborn.

Obama has long since produced his birth certificate. He has to produce a copy, just as these people only can produce copies of their own birth certificates. What actually is he supposed to do to satisfy these people? They look right at it and they say he won’t produce it. The proper officials in Hawaii say it exists and they won’t believe it. They are people who can look at direct evidence of a thing and still claim that thing doesn’t exist. They must have a very hard time getting by at all in this world, where for them no evidence exists of anything except what they choose to believe, and what they choose to believe is true, even in the face of all evidence to the contrary.


pixiepotpie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

Oh yeah, illegal wiretapping. no worries, just don't lie about it. Your name could not be more fitting.


metrowestmike
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

This whole conspiracy thing has Michelle Bachmann written all over it


Tara
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

This is all these Republican freaks have to offer? They are utterly and entirely useless.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

I don’t know about anyone else but this was my favorite paragraph. The post is funny. The last paragraph hysterical. I’m still laughing.

“Biden becomes temporary president, a new election will be called for, democratic party fails and ceases to exist, Libertarians and Republicans become the 2 main parties, MSNBC Olberman and Maddow are done, Jackson and Sharpton cry foul, marches in the streets, marches turn to riots. From this point we can only hope for the best.”


sasha2009
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Let them keep going

after all they are not only the party of no country first- but also the do-nothing congress

let us not forget that

2000-2006

Nothing!


johndk7
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

For all those who don't want Obama to be exposed, thus sharing in this apparent cover-up whether willfully or unintended due to ignorance, I call your attention to the part above where it says, “To push back against rumors that he was not born in Hawaii, the campaign reproduced a Certificate of Live Birth from the state’s Health Department. Instead of terminating the conspiracy theories, that inspired new theories — that the certificate had been forged or that even if it hadn’t been forged it was the sort of certificate that could be given to someone born outside of the United States. But the certificate is specific about Obama’s birth in Honolulu, down to the 7:24 p.m. time.”

Problem: Obama DID NOT put a certifiCATE but a certifiCATION which differs much from an ACTUAL certificate. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT! A birth certificate shows DETAILED info like the Dr. of birth, the actual hospital, etc. But the certification proves only that the guy basically exists. Fact: In 1961 Hawaii issued CERTIFICATIONS of live birth most of the time for FOREIGN born children.

Worldnetdaily.com is just reporting the GLARING facts about this CONTROVERSY — and I wouldn't call it a theory especially since Obama STILL won't release his actual birth CERTIFICATE, and that's A FACT.

I really encourage all who are opposed to the birthers to PLEASE log on to wnd.com and just read what they have to say and examine their material INSTEAD of just blowing them off because you may just be putting yourselves and this country in great constitutional, financial and moral jeopardy by legitimizing a “president” that might not be president AFTER ALL…


pixiepotpie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

I'm quite sure extensive Illegal Wiretapping was indeed a problem, covering it up only made it worse. your name could not be a more accurate description.


sasha2009
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:30 pm

Just like you like your foreign news-faux clown show- foreign owned-

we like our foreign president

he does not have to show you anything

country first do nothings


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

Well I’m just all broken up about your “retraction”. And as far as being an “asshole”, you ain’t seen nothing yet! I don’t need your f@cking approval. I’ve EARNED my right to say what I think. I was a part of your sick system for years. I want nothing more than to see it all fall and burn now. It’s like living in a ghetto. The best thing that could happen is for a bulldozer to just scrape it up and bury it in a landfill, detox the land and start over again with something useful. You all like to say that if we don’t like Obama, it is just because he is Black. You never talk about the percentage of Black voters that voted for him being 95%. I’m pretty sure they voted for him in those numbers entirely BECAUSE he is Black and not so much for any other reason. Sounds pretty “racist” to me. The only reason no judge has yet ordered his records produced in one of these lawsuits is that none of them have wanted to be the one who initiates the race war that will surely ensue once that is done. I don’t give a $hit! I say LET ER RIP! It will be more fun that fishing with dynamite!


dayton52
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

I was born in Ohio, of parents who were born in the U.S. So I guess I'm legit. If there is truly any question of his citizenship, and in the spirit of this ridiculous argument; then he can have my citizenship and I'll to some other country with a clue!


sasha2009
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

we liek em foreign just like our news- faux clown show


tried and true American
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Beacuse if he did produce it, birthers would claim it is a fake.


booksnmore4you
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

This sort of inanity is what the country gets after 15 years of idiots dominating over AM radio. Our political culture has thereby been ruined for a generation.


betha
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Greg, I agree with you completely…except remember not ALL old white people are this stupid. Some of us, mostly Democrats, were there side by side with minorities during the Civil Rights movement. As a baby boomer who has walked that line, broke the gender barrier as the first female manager in my national company…and took unbelievable cr@p for daring to be a manager from the old white men…I can tell you that many of us old white people are incredibly embarassed by this racist group of our generation.

Don't forget that people like the Kennedy's, the Clintons, the white men and women in the Democratic party have all been there during those years where we were criticized incredibly by our family and friends for demanding equal opportunity for all. We are all still here fighting for Obama and Sotomayor and gays etc…
Your generation is my final hope that this discrimination will end…I raised my own two children to know better…they are YOUR generation and I'm beyond proud of you guys!


solafidelity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

Among the errors in this article, the most significant is that the link says “Certificate of Live Birth”, but the document linked says “Certification of Live Birth”. None of the articles scoffing at the so-called “birthers” have addressed the difference between the two documents. Anyone who cares to learn the truth can go to hawaii.gov and research the “Certification of Live Birth” and see that it is a different document than a Birth Certificate and could easily be acquired by parents of foreign born children up to a year after birth. You'll have to pardon those of us who fancy ourselves free men if we don't get back in line with the sheep and believe every word that comes out of O's mouth (or every jpeg posted to his website).


hank1056
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Please – psych meds for all of 'em!!


The Race Card - BIRTHER Republicans
Pingback posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

[...] ‘Birther’ Movement Dogs Republicans | The Washington Independent Kris Kobach is a law professor with degrees from Harvard, Yale and Oxford, and a veteran of George W. Bush’s administration who, after Sept. 11, helped craft the policy on domestic registration of foreign visitors to the United States. In May, he announced a run for Kansas secretary of state, campaigning for photo ID requirements at the voting booth. He’s considered a clear front-runner for the job. But over the weekend, Kobach spoke at a Republican Party barbecue and committed a minor gaffe. According to the Lawrence Journal-World, Kobach “asked what President Obama and God had in common, with the punchline being neither has a birth certificate.” [...]


oceancal
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

Okay I get it but where's the birth certificate?


Walter Starr
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

As an avid Obama supporter, I am quite pleased that the Birfers are sticking to the Republicans like a sign saying “Kick Me”.


Springfieldsfinest
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

do you even listen to yourself? if he produced it, it would put an end to it. there would be an attending physician signature on it.


Donald
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:36 pm

I find it most strange that ONLY President Obama needs to prove his citizenship. While all hte other 22 Presidential Candidates don't.

It is more strange that it IS an known fact that John McCain was NOT born in America. Why weren't the birthers up-in-arms about his birth?

Answer: RACISM plain and simple racism. One way or another, we are going to get that n****r out of office.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

“please explain you genious”????

English as a second language, perhaps?


Springfieldsfinest
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

congress held a hearing into McCain's elgibilty for the presidency, was that racist? asking Obama to produce a long firm birth certificate isnt racist, its constitutional. the republicans are the ones that ended slavery. the dems are the one with a former KKK member sitting in the senate.


darylwalmsley
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

It's strange that these birther freaks often have no problem believing heresay that some “virgin” gave birth 2000 years ago, yet they can't comprehend how the son of a Kansas woman could be a naturalized citizen. Cretins…


emar333
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

No- Biden gets thrown out with Obama. it's Nancy Pelosi they want!


Donald
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

RACIST!!!

Prove that John McCain is american!


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

The only thing in jeopardy is your sanity.

I had to get a copy of my birth certificate from PA a few years ago. It does not list the doctor who delivered me, nor the name of the hospital. Just my name, the names of my parents, the city and county of my birth, and the date and time. It has a raised seal on it from the PA, just like Obama's copy of his birth certificate had a raised seal from Hawaii.

Here's the deal: YOUR TEAM LOST. You people need to get a grip on what's left of your sanity and move on. This whole business is even crazier than those loonies who kept trying to claim that Bill and Hillary Clinton killed Vince Foster. No matter how many times Foster's own wife AND the police AND the coroner confirmed he killed himself, the loonies insisted he was murdered. You people won't take ANY piece of evidence from the state of Hawaii as factual!!

As someone else stated, the burden of PROOF is on you birthers. You have compiled a lot of lies and innuendo, but no PROOF of your claims. The president should not have to prove that you are wrong — you should have to prove that you are right. PERIOD.


Dee Downes
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

Believe it or not I am sixty years old, born in New York city and I have an old black and white photocopy of my birth certificate. It even has a C on it which stands for colored. Back in the day coloured birth certificates were filed separately, in a different place. It is the copy my mother applied for and received in 1948 just before we left New York. My mother always used it for me when she had to verify my birth etc. and then she gave it to me to use when I turned 21. My mother was an organization buff and I guess so am I that's why I still have the original with signatures. It's a keepsake now, because it's no longer considered valid. I had to apply to New York for a new copy of my birth certificate to use to get my passport 2 years ago. The new one has almost no information on it, just certifies that I was born in New York in 1948, but it's considered valid and the original is not, go figure.

If people understood just a little about Africans and other cultures they would know that Obama could not have been born in Africa. Africans (in all African countries) do not accept marriages to foreigners. So Obama's father could never, never, never have taken home to Africa an American woman as his wife. That's why he left his wife and Obama in America. He went back to Africa where he probably already had a wife, or wives, or had a woman who the family had arranged for him to marry as soon as he got back to Africa. Africans are almost like Indians who will kill their own child if they marry out of the culturally accepted group. Americans, black or white are not a culturally accepted group for Africans to marry into.


Dee Downes
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

Believe it or not I am sixty years old, born in New York city and I have an old black and white photocopy of my birth certificate. It even has a C on it which stands for colored. Back in the day coloured birth certificates were filed separately, in a different place. It is the copy my mother applied for and received in 1948 just before we left New York. My mother always used it for me when she had to verify my birth etc. and then she gave it to me to use when I turned 21. My mother was an organization buff and I guess so am I that's why I still have the original with signatures. It's a keepsake now, because it's no longer considered valid. I had to apply to New York for a new copy of my birth certificate to use to get my passport 2 years ago. The new one has almost no information on it, just certifies that I was born in New York in 1948, but it's considered valid and the original is not, go figure.

If people understood just a little about Africans and other cultures they would know that Obama could not have been born in Africa. Africans (in all African countries) do not accept marriages to foreigners. So Obama's father could never, never, never have taken home to Africa an American woman as his wife. That's why he left his wife and Obama in America. He went back to Africa where he probably already had a wife, or wives, or had a woman who the family had arranged for him to marry as soon as he got back to Africa. Africans are almost like Indians who will kill their own child if they marry out of the culturally accepted group. Americans, black or white are not a culturally accepted group for Africans to marry into.


Mark
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

When Bill Clinton was elected and remained hugely popular, the only way the far wrong could disrupt him was to hang him up on his zipper. The country's self-annointed moral watchdogs — Gingrich, Sanford, Ensign and the like — ground the country to a halt because the president got a hummer and tried to hide it. They had no ideas, no vision, just a low-life hypocritical tactic to bring down the popular Democrat. Now we have the same thing happening, except the only thing they can do is keep harping on the birth certificate. Produce proof? Hey, it's forged. These idiots have no hope of removing Obama from office, but they want to be just disruptive enough to keep the whacked-out far wrong roiling. And that can only have really, really bad results. The racists and the rest of the far-wrong are coming out of the closet to spew their hate, with General Buchana helping to lead the way. Be afraid. These are the people who are turning the U.S. into a third-world nation.


terragazelle
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

If both parents had to be citizens of the country in which you were born..George Washington and the rest of our early presidents would have been illegitimate. Their parents were still citizens of Britain at their birth and you are totally, completely and absolutly wrong.

Obama was born in Hawaii…a state of this union to a Citizen of this nation. You think that secret service does not undertake a serch on people running for president?


terragazelle
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

If both parents had to be citizens of the country in which you were born..George Washington and the rest of our early presidents would have been illegitimate. Their parents were still citizens of Britain at their birth and you are totally, completely and absolutly wrong.

Obama was born in Hawaii…a state of this union to a Citizen of this nation. You think that secret service does not undertake a serch on people running for president?


JHS123456
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

Where was George W. Bush's birth certificate, Bill Clinton, or George Sr. or gasp, could it be that Ronald Reagan was not born in the US either?, I have never seen any of their Birth Certificates. It is scary, if you are Republican you can start a baseless war, waste 1 TRILLION dollars to destroy a country, drive up oil costs from $36 dollars a barrel to $145 dollars a barrel, be phtographed kissing the Saudi Prince (Where 15 of 19 hijakers on 9/11 came from), and then find any way you can to whine, moan and complain when you cannot rape the poor in the US any longer, go away you cancerous, anti-democratic, anti-civil liberty morons, aren't there some more extra-marital affairs out there waiting on you, or some other scandal.


JHS123456
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

Where was George W. Bush's birth certificate, Bill Clinton, or George Sr. or gasp, could it be that Ronald Reagan was not born in the US either?, I have never seen any of their Birth Certificates. It is scary, if you are Republican you can start a baseless war, waste 1 TRILLION dollars to destroy a country, drive up oil costs from $36 dollars a barrel to $145 dollars a barrel, be phtographed kissing the Saudi Prince (Where 15 of 19 hijakers on 9/11 came from), and then find any way you can to whine, moan and complain when you cannot rape the poor in the US any longer, go away you cancerous, anti-democratic, anti-civil liberty morons, aren't there some more extra-marital affairs out there waiting on you, or some other scandal.


JHS123456
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

Where was George W. Bush's birth certificate, Bill Clinton, or George Sr. or gasp, could it be that Ronald Reagan was not born in the US either?, I have never seen any of their Birth Certificates. It is scary, if you are Republican you can start a baseless war, waste 1 TRILLION dollars to destroy a country, drive up oil costs from $36 dollars a barrel to $145 dollars a barrel, be phtographed kissing the Saudi Prince (Where 15 of 19 hijakers on 9/11 came from), and then find any way you can to whine, moan and complain when you cannot rape the poor in the US any longer, go away you cancerous, anti-democratic, anti-civil liberty morons, aren't there some more extra-marital affairs out there waiting on you, or some other scandal.


politiliedetector
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Great Job GOP, Well done!

Hopefully every GOP presidential campaign rally in the future will be full of these ridiculous caricatures of informed American voters, the anti-intellectual angle that was intended to misdirect the mainstream has deflected back into your own party base in the vacuum of legitimate ideas, It's wonderful how your own can make clowns of your of party so much better than liberals ever could, from self-righteous vainglorious cheaters, and homebreakers, to right-wing terror-committing extremists, to fringe conspiracy theorists unappeased by rationality or reason, I might send the RNC a few bucks to keep up the great work, P.S. great stuff steele with the the chicken and potatoe salad bribe to blacks, priceless, that a get em'


Wellread1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

As a Naturalized citizen of the United States who followed all the rules I've long appreciated that I was never eligible to become the President. This is clearly stated in the Constitution. I personally think the founding fathers had the right idea in enshrining this rule because your mindset is to some degree conditioned by where you were born. I have followed this debate from the beginning regarding's Obama's birth and it is very clear there are irregularities here. I think it no coincidence that Obama chose to become a professor of Constitutional Law because he knew from a very young age, despite his ambitions, he was not eligible. He reasoned that by becoming familiar with the law he might find a loophole. The psychology behind career choices is often very revealing…….

We are on the threshold of a Constitutional crisis. Obama hopes to ride out the storm by making it very embarrassing for all concerned to depose him.


edgraham
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

…and the Earth is still flat.


jeninoh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

I am all for keeping this “controversy” going… all the proponents look absolutely foolish.

And, for the record johndk7, the fact of the matter is that the Health Department of the state of Hawaii stands by the assertion that Obama was born in Hawaii… that's good enough for me. Not that I was concerned to begin with, but their spokeperson is right… she could drive to your house with 53 pieces of documentation proving it, take you out to lunch to convince you, and you would still throw on your tinfoil hat and claim it was all a scam.


judith
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

Then fly yourself to Hawaii, walk into the appropriate building, and look at it.


Char316
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

This is so silly because when the President travels abroad he has to have a PASSPORT, which is in a Black Book unlike the Blue Book that a regular citizen has. The state department employees hold the President's PASSPORT for him. So, the Moral to this story is, NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE, NO PASSPORT!!!


Bert Certificate
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Birthers will file their frivolous lawsuits in any court that will have them, and get overruled and dismissed up until January 20, 2017. Then they'll claim victory – “See, we forced the pretender out of office”.

Theirs is a separate reality.


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Everything you just published in your post is a lie. EVERYTHING.

The voices in your head are going to have to look for some facts next time.


jdbryce
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Place of birth (“jus soli”) is not the only deterimant of natural-born-citizenship. President Obama's mother was an American citizen, even if his father was not. Let us suppose that Obama had been born in France. He might be considered a French citizen by the French, but he would also be a natural-born American citizen on the basis of “jus sanguinis;” which is to say his citizenship derived from that fact that his mother was an American. So, it really doesn't matter where he was born, although all the evidence points to Hawaii as his birth place.

Assuming he was born in Hawaii, he gets his citizenship on the basis of “jus soli.” Someone should look up the case of US v Wong Kim Ark. Wong was born in the US while his parent, who were Chinese citizen, were resident in the US conducting business. The Supreme Court ruled on the basis f “jus soli” that Wong was a native born American citien, because as stated in the 14th Amendment, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, subject to the jusisdiction of the United States, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

Thus Obama's citizenship is determined by place of birth(jus soli) and by virtue that his mother was American(jus sanguinis).

I doubt that this will end this stupid controversy, but there it is.


glas
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:45 pm

Original birth certificates are kept in state archieves. All any of us have are copies.


Richard
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

Scares me that these people are making our laws This country is in deep trouble Is there something in the water making people crazy ?


MS
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

Racism…Racism……how low with the Republicans go before they bottom out! FOX is a joke and now considered the new Comedy Channel. Who cares about this crap…he is our President and I voted for him and will again in 2012!!!

I hope Obama never shows you people anything! He has nothing to prove!!!

Rock on Mr. President!!!


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

Quite the namecaller, eh?


dragonlady52
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

Breaking News! I have it on good authority that George W. Bush is NOT a citizen.He is actually from the planet Doofus and was on a reconnaissance mission prior to invasion. The proof is out there for all to see on any number number of websites that get their information directly from God. (Those sites also offer a great price on tinfoil hats.) My mind is made up so don't try to convince me with facts.


dawgspiel
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

This is a NON ISSUE….

The requirements for citizenship, and its very definition in American statute law, have changed since the Constitution was ratified in 1788. Congress first recognized the citizenship of children born to U.S. parents overseas on March 26, 1790, stating that “the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”[10] To date, the Naturalization Act of 1790 has been the only U.S. law explicitly conferring “natural born” citizenship. In 1795, Congress removed the words “natural born” from the law; the Naturalization Act of 1795 says only that foreign-born children of American parents “shall be considered as citizens of the United States.”[11]

It doesn't matter whether Obama was born in Hawaii or not. His mother was a U.S. citizen. His father resided in the U.S. when Barack was conceived. He is a natural born citizen. This is nothing more than the wingnuts looking for an excuse to disallow the outcome of the 2008 election.

He's your president now just as Bush was last year when the sane would rather have had just about anyone else in the job.

Get over it.


johndk7
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

au contraire pal, read the facts and stop SLANDERING.  Act like an American not an idiot.


jeninoh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

you have got some kind of nerve bringing FACTS into this! Citing case law and all… sheesh. Way to wreck a good conspiracy theory… NOW what will we do? Play D&D?


Donald
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

When God was handing out intelligence He must have gone out on a break when your turn came up, because you are completely devoid of any intelligence.

Let me ask you a question; where are the birth certificates for any of the previous Presidents?
Is it that they don’t need to prove their births because they are WHITE, or President Obama needs to prove his birth because he is BLACK?!


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

He presented a legal copy of his birth certificate. Just like the legal copy I have of my birth certificate (I was also born in 1961, though in a different state). There has not been ONE SINGLE COURT in this country that has found ONE SHRED of merit in this silly business.

And the Republicans like my ancestors who supported abolition would have nothing whatsoever in common with the Republican party of today. That is why I left it.


sickofrepubcrazies
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

You are pathetic! Get a life and use your energy for more contructive means! Sore losers…


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

No, it would not put an end to it! The “birthers” would claim it's a fake. They will not be deterred from this bizarre conclusion that they have already formed in their schizophrenic minds.


Roger
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, DON'T U GUYS GET IT…. THE AMOUNT OF VETTING A PERSON GETS BEFORE HE CAN BECOME A SITTING US PRESIDENT IS MONUMENTAL. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO, PERSON WITH ANY DEGREE OF CONSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE CAN SNEAK INTO THE WHITE HOUSE. DO YOU REALLY THINK THE ENTIRE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT JUST HEPPEN TO MISS OR SIMPLY FORGOT TO VERIFY HIS CITIZENSHIP. JESUS. U GUYS SOUND ABSOLUTELY BONKERS!!!!!!


jeninoh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

again with the Facts… why you gotta rain on the parade?


solafidelity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

First. You don't know me. It is quite a leap to take my comment and infer that I am a racist.
Second. You demonstrate your ignorance on the issue. I don't have to “Prove that John McCain is american”, because congress certified him. They looked into his birth history, had some hearings, and concluded he met the natural born citizen eligibility criteria. No such investigation was done for Obama. He was simply taken at his word. To date, no legal entity, court or congress, has certified Obama as meeting the natural born citizen eligibility criteria. What do we have offered as proof that he meets the criteria? An image on a website offered by the Obama campaign. Basically, we are taking the word of the president on the matter. That is not how a free society operates.


Robert
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

My children's birth certificates, which I obtained from Virginia shortly after their births, does not list the hospital or doctor on record.

How could Hawaii certify any birth that didn't occur in Hawaii? That in itself would be fraud.

It's amazing how dumb these birthers are. Go back to discussing how there was a breeze blowing the flag in the faked moon landing. Box of rocks.


serena_f
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

This is not true at all. I am of African descent, and I have been to Africa many times. So many of my family members have dated and married people are not African; in fact, my ex-boyfriend was from Ghana, and he is mixed; his mother was from Hungary and his father is Ghanian. My uncle married a Black American woman and they now live in Africa, and she is doing just fine. There are many Africans that marry people of other races and cultures and their families are just fine with it. I don't think it was a good idea on your behalf to make generalizations like that. Of course, there are some that are not okay with it, but definitely not as a whole.


davidmoore2328
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

You're an idiot.


virginiafey
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

I think ALL of those GOPers should have to show their “official” birth certificate– whatever that is– cos I know the one I have for myself looks a lot like the one Obama is showing us. Raise your hand if you have something different than the kind he is showing us! Not many people do. This is a silly faux hub-bub designed to scare people and incite distrust. So– really, ALL of those folks wanting to see some other sort of Obama bc should have to show their own.


btinc
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

This whole movement is “borne” of racism, pure and simple.

I have never seen my birth certificate, although I'm sure I could order a duplicate if I needed one. I know a lot of Americans who don't have their original birth certificate.


ben guthrie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

it doesn’t matter. his mother is a US citizen, therefoe he is a natural born citizen. end of discussion.


sickofrepubcrazies
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

You are the pathetic idiot johndk7! Get a life you sore loser!


Hubkal
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

He did produce a real live certificate. I have seen it and it includes the actual seal,raised…you are an idiot!


Roger
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Char316
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

This is so silly, the President travels abroad and has to have a Passport, His passport is in a black book unlike the blue book that the average citizen has. A State Dept Employee carries it around for him while abroad. Now listen to reason, you cannot get a Passport without a BIRTH CERTIFICATE. So if the President's Passport is illegal, who is handing out bogus Passports, is it a Republican?


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

I think an objective review of your post vs. mine would indicate that the only idiot is you.

Facts don't matter to you birthers, anyway. You have a conclusion in your schizophrenic mind that your convoluted conspiracy theory is true, and there is no amount of evidence that will deter you from believing it.

Again, there is not ONE SHRED of evidence to support these bizarre claims. No court in this country believes you. NO SANE PERSON believes you. Why? Because YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS.


solafidelity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Devastating rejoinder. Please, do continue. You only weaken the waning credibility on your side of the issue.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

The Secret Service reads these comments.

You could be arrested for making threats of violence against the president.

Legally, they could drag your ass out of your house and haul you off to jail.

If you want to replace the president, there is a right way and a wrong way of doing it.

You want to do it the wrong way.

There’s a difference between a mob of angry people and WE THE PEOPLE collectively throughout the entire country.

If WE did to decide to kick the president out of office before the next election and without Congress doing so through the impeachment process, WE would have to march on Washington, peaceably of course, completely surround the White House, and then just sit down and stay there and wait for however long it would take for Obama to resign and leave on his own accord.

That’s what was wrong with the peace marches that happened when Bush was president. On at least three occasions WE had over 100,000 people protest the war. But at the end of the day, everyone went home.

Once again, WE THE PEOPLE turned back into wee the sheeple.


sickofrepubcrazies
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

What an insane bunch of lies. You crazy conspiracy theory militia types give America a bad name


clroberts
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Born and raised in South Carolina. I have never been able to get the actual birth certificate from the state of South Carolina when I have applied for jobs or schools. What makes you think that anyone in this country can get the actual certificate of their birth.

You are right. You have brought your paranoia with you from where ever it is you came from. There is no logic to YOUR reasoning, but don't let that stop you.


Simpleton
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

This is why people who believe Hannity, Rush, and other such celebrities, are idiots. If you do not want to be an idiot, don't believe such lies.

Really as simple as that.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

You cannot be serious. You expect us to believe that there's this VAST conspiracy of white people in Hawaii who, IN the 1960's, looked at a pregnant white woman named Stanley and a black man named Barack Obama and said “we gotta protect whoever that couple's baby is, because SURELY he will be the nation's first black President?”

AND then, even after all that nonsense has to be swallowed, you expect us to believe that President Obama chose to teach Constitutional Law at THE MOST RIGHT-WING top-tier law school in the country? Univ. of Chicago is where Richard Posner is. It's where classic neoconservative thought is centered. It is NOT the place where you'd go as a black man to hide out while you're scheming how to take over the free world right from under the nose of the white men in power.

NONE of what you argue is plausible. I don't even know why I bother trying to refute your absurdities with facts; it isn't as though you have the slightest interest in what is actually true or even POSSIBLE.


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

EXACTLY. I have a certified COPY of my birth certificate from PA; I have a certified COPY of my daughter's birth certificate from Ohio. Why should Obama have to meet a higher standard of proof than the rest of us, just because some loonies are demanding it? It's ridiculous.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

You’re right, she’s just the PR person, but this statement is from the Director of Health of Hawaii.

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

Dude-I think you could get the vault copy and STILL not believe!!! I hope you have a good therapist, you need it!


jeni2
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

How can someone who has never been to Kenya (Read the book) give birth in Kenya. What a waste of taxpayers money to spend all this time on a raciist 'witch-hunt'.


kerfuffler
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:55 pm

If there were really anything to the idea that Obama isn't a citizen, don't you think that Hillary would have used it to push him out of the Democratic primary? Obama HAS provided proof repeatedly, but the birthers think everything is a forgery, and that everyone is in on the conspiracy. They need to take their tin foil hats off and watch a real news show.


dorzic
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

Appoint a special prosecutor to look into this scandal so that we can spend $100 million to see if Obama has a stained blue dress in his past. Sound familiar?


Simpleton
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

This is why people like you who believe Hannity, Rush, and other such celebrities, are idiots. If you do not want to be an idiot, don't believe such lies.

Really as simple as that.


rks1232
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

This whole thing kills me. Those that beleive the President is not a “legitimate Citizen” need to ask themselves one question. Don't you think our FBI, CIA, and any other alphabet soup agency in our governement would have figured it out by now that he isn't a citizen? Seriously stop for a moment and use the brain you were given. Normal Joes who have no access to anything solved the President is faking it and our own intellegence agencies are just being duped. For goodness sakes the Clintons would have used every angle of this, if it were true, to win the nomination. Like him or not he is our President show some respect.

I can't plant trees fast enough to replace the amount of oxygen these people are wasting.


Denese
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

You. Are. Stupid. Please shut up. Racists all.


hyperbolefreaks
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

Amazing how 20 percent of the country that gets their “NEWS” from hyperbole mongers Hannity, Rush, and Oreilly, only embarrass themselves and this country more and more everyday. You people are serious losers with chips on your shoulders that are quite unpatriotic at that. Wake up!! It isn't enough to have the same losers still believe Iraq bombed the world trade center, or that there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq….they just go on and on and on…..you people will even diss your own president as hes trying to mend foreign relations while he is overseas…..you tune into one news channel and play the constant victim card. Your idols in the media are nothing more then self promoters that sell themselves to you as a commodity that you swallow like lost little sheep….and to the detriment of this country at that. These are “conservatives” who turned a blind eye the last 12 years while the republicans have doubled the national debt and haven't said “boo” about it. I mean i can understand a difference of political opinion but base it in fact….I know far too many people that speak out of some implanted unreasonable fear (by Beck , Hannity) that are seriously demented..instead of issues they talk birth certificates, and lapel bins…..but thats great considering you losers are now a regional party who sadly (but truthfully) put party before country and base your future on our country's continued misery or worsening. These are the same folks who state the best thing for America would be for Osama Bin Laden to attack us again. There is so much hatred, inclusiveness, and fear in you people…its beyond comprehension.


jamie461
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

It is a certified document from the state of Hawaii, which confirms the date and location of his birth. I care about the truth — you birthers, on the other hand, only care about your looney conspiracy theories. Even if the state of Hawaii went into their archives and pulled out his original birth certificate (which NO ONE else has EVER had to do to prove their citizenship – you people think, for some reason, that Obama should be held to a higher standard than the rest of us), you people would still claim it was “fake.”

Get some help. Seriously.


mary c
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

but why not just release the original document?
and even if he was born her he rescinded his citizenship in Indonesia. so either way it's VOID.


Mike McGuire
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

I think you're missing the more likely strategy here, one that dovetails with Republican efforts to keep minorities from voting whenever possible and especially out of office. There are quite a few native-born Americans, mostly poor ones, who cannot produce a birth certificate when challenged. In some cases they were born far from a hospital, but natural disasters have also destroyed vital records in some localities (again, predominantly poor ones). It's not really about Obama — it's about voters and candidates to be named later, once the Republicans get a requirement to show documents every time a person attempts to use any of their everyday civil rights.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

The worst part about your post is that you call yourself “wellread.” I've read more informative words on bathroom stalls. Do tell what you have EVER read that would justify your screen name.

And it's well-read, by the way. You're right about one thing. “It is very clear that there are irregularities here.” But all the irregularities emanate from YOU, not from President Obama.


dsincal
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Because we all know that the arbiter of who is born where is “part of the military.” If there was video of the President being BORN they'd say it was faked, just like the moon landing…


rationalwoman
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

You are a joke. You actually believe that because he became a constitutional lawyer, he must not be a citizen? This is your version of logic? What about all the other constitutional lawyers? Are they all secretly foreigners also? And what exactly do you mean, it's clear that there are irregularities here? Name one. Just one, but base on the facts, not your crackpot psychology. The only irregularities here are the idiots like you who are determined to twist reality completely until it looks like the world you WISH you lived in. Here's a hint: stating over and over again that something is fishy doesn't actually make it fishy. But I don't expect that point to penetrate very deep into the fog you call a brain.


wolf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

What specific irregularities are there, aside from your not having been there to worship his birth? Also, by your logic, we should suspect that everyone that has ever become a constitutional law secretly wishes to violate the constitution, and every policeman secretly wishes to break the law. You're making leaps in logic that are no short of superman-esque.


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

On file in Hawaii: http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/bi… Here's it is. It looks just like other birth certificates from Hawaii. Now please, get over this fetish so we can talk about the important issues of the day.


grumpyoldcoot
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

The chances of proving George Bush was AWOL from his National Guard duty are far greater than of proving Obama is a foreigner,


mreguy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

A researcher found the Honolulu Advertiser announcement of Barack Obama's Aug 4, 1961 birth (published August 13, 1961):

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Obama_1961_birth_anno…

Unless someone time-travelled to fake this evidence, then Barack Obama WAS born in Honolulu, Hawaii


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

I'm waiting with bated breath for you to tell us exactly how President Obama rescinded his citizenship in Indonesia.

The only VOID is the one between your ears.

Just get used to saying President Barack Hussein Obama. You'll get plenty of chances in the next 7 and a half years.


joelg
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

.. Ah don' know nuthin' bout birthin' babeez, Miz Scarlett.. ah's a rebooblican..


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

Good catch. They're planning for ways that they can close any door that is open for minorities, while simultaneously opening any door that is closed for Sarah Palin.


dickm
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

My Mother was an American citizen who gave birth to me in Canada.

I went to get my Passport as an adult and because she had been dead for many years, it involved proving that she lived in the U.S. for 4 years after her 14th birthday (which of course she had) and prove her birth in the U.S. and the mariage certs of her parents, etc. – all reasonable stuff).

It was simple process. The citizenship of my Father was never discussed – one of my parents was an Amercian who lived in the U.S. for at least 4 years after the age of 14 – so I am an American AND SO IS OBAMA.

Why can't someone simply put an end to thios racist crap?


rationalwoman
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

You're as whacky as the birthers. That's all I have to say about that.


XLintLuvR
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Would a video of his parents conceiving him and a gps of his mom until the moment of both satisfy you?


gypsysailor
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

It's pretty obvious that God not only doesn't speak to Limbaugh, but she doesn't speak to the Republicans either. How do I know? She told me.


asirishasbarackobama
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

I think a lot of the birthers don't realize that President Obama is a “junior.” His father was also named Barack Hussein Obama and his father was born in Kenya. Obama senior was smart enough to get a scholarship to the University of Hawaii, where he met and married Obama's mom.
Is it possible that some of the conspiracy theorists don't know that President Obama is named after his dad, and they are getting the two confused? In other words, are they crazy paranoids, or are they just stupid?


Cappy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

What do President Obama and God have in common…neither one is a Republican.


TJ
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

I think we should call upon all Presidents, from the first one to this one, to see their Birth Certificates. Why only this one?


hyperbolefreaks
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

Very good point. Anyone who debates otherwise has never worked at the polls in an urban area or is completely blind to the egregious voter suppression that takes place in this country.


smmiranda
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

Let's call it what it really is, “The Sore Losers Movement” .


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

Kwiley9711 – you are ass deep in the GOP kool-aid fountain. Do youself a favor, come up for air.


Ellen Brodsky
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

Your story omitted a few relevant facts about Maj. Cook that cast very serious doubt on his credibility and, as a result, Sean Hannity's and Fox News' for reporting this case without checking the facts: Maj. Cook volunteered to serve in Afghanistan AFTER President Obama was elected and AFTER boasting about having joined another birther lawsuit. Also, Cook could have had his deployment revoked through administrative channels, rather than going through a federal lawsuit. The fact that the military revoked his deployment says nothing about President Obama. But the whole issue, including his subsequent suggestion that the revocation indicates the military wanted to sweep the issue under the rug, says lots more about Cook.

http://www.newshounds.us/2009/07/16/fox_continu…

The fact that neither Hannity nor Fox bothered to look beyond Cook's claims for their reporting also speaks volumes.


tedvaill
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

John McCain was the only 2008 Presidential candidate not born in the United States. He was born in Panama, Canal Zone when his father was stationed there in 1937. It was not until the next year, 1938, that the Congress fixed this, and gave any person born of U.S. citizens while serving abroad in the military was a U.S. citizen, with the full rights of a citizen. But the law said nothing about the U.S. Constitutional requirement that a President must be a “natural born citizen”, and the law was not specifically retroactive. In recent years, a court decision found that the law applied to persons born before the law was passed in 1938, such as John McCain, but it did not deal with the issue of eligibility for the Presidency.

Those who question President Obama's birth in Hawaii are desperate for an issue to derail a successful President's agenda, which hopefully will restore the country to the respect it had before George Bush was elected President by the vote of one Supreme Court Justice, and proceeded almost to wreck the country.


rationalwoman
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

What “original”? They DID release the original. Just because some people have more fun saying that it wasn't the original doesn't actually mean it wasn't.

And on a related note.. where's your original birth certificate?


mediumbusinessowner
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

He lived in Indonesia when he was a small child……Oh sure He rescinded his citizenship..MORONS . These people with their rumours are laughable


mediumbusinessowner
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

He lived in Indonesia when he was a small child……Oh sure He rescinded his citizenship..MORONS . These people with their rumours are laughable


mediumbusinessowner
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

He lived in Indonesia when he was a small child……Oh sure He rescinded his citizenship..MORONS . These people with their rumours are laughable


Deaner1971
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

Why is the press giving these nutjobs this much attention? These people are actually crazy. The press has no issue telling Holocaust deniers, AIDS deniers, Doomsday cults, Klansmen, Star Wars fetishists and every other group who ignore rationality to seek professional help and yet they take a “neutral tone” in this. Wow, that Left Wing press is really showing their pro-Obama colors…


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

No one gets the original document. It is on file at the state of birth. We all get COPIES. He did NOT rescind his citizenship in Indonesia as he was only there a few years and came back to America–where did you get that idea? Ever read his book? I doubt it. His mother was an American citizen, and his grandparents were, too. Now, please get a life, and stop distracting the country from what is really important. And btw, here is his birth certificate, though I'm sure it won't be good enough for your high standards: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…


dickm
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:07 pm

Obama's Mom was an American citizen – no one disputes that !! So where's the irregularity? You're a moron and an a-hole too :-) …


backroads26
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

Um…no. Scott was born in the United States. The Court denied his citizenship on the basis that he was born a slave, and at that time, slaves were considered property. Not that the case is even relevant – it was invalidated by the 13th (prohibited slavery) and 14th (privilege and immunities, due process, equal protection) Ammendments.

AlcheMiss is right. The Consitution gives Congress the authority to create a uniform nationality law. They did so via the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952. If President Obama was born out of the country (which he was not), the Act provides that a child born abroad between 1952 and1986 to 1 parent posessing US citizenship is a citizen if that parent had been present in the US for at least 10 years, 5 after the age of 14.


The Sunshine Empire
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Just another way for Republicans to make sense of the fact that the country abandoned them. It couldn't be because their ideas don't work, it has to be something more sinister.


elross
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

I recently drove through Kansas for the first time. I have resolved to NEVER return to that homeland of bigotry and stupidity. I spent NO money in that hell hole and will never return.

Rush Limbaugh is no standard for anything except stupidty, and that applies double to his audience and the entire audience of Fox Noise. No, I am not nice to neocon conservatives. To me the F in “Fox” only stands for ONE word-and you can infer what that word is. Hint-it isn't “F”air.


bonnetteblj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

You are believing the “anti-Christ” hype in thinking Obama is so devious he would plot
his Constitutional Law degree and sneak into the White House. President Obama was
elected by a hugh majority of the American people. He did not sneak into the White House. Others on this site have commented on him being a natural born citizen, having a valid passport and going through extensive investigations by the Government agencies prior to becoming President. In addition, President Obama provided a copy of his birth certificate online during the primaries and the general election. The people who continue this conspiracy theory are either racists or nuts!


BB
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

I would beg to differ on that one. Republicans, like God, do not support the killing of the unborn.


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Well, fortunately, President Obama is not one of them. :)


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Are they nuts! They want to pass a bill making it mandatory for Candidates to prove their citizenship. Yet when Obama produced such evidence they don't believe him. Why then would they believe anyone else? What exactly will this bill accomplish?

Let's face facts; if Obama were O'bama the Irish President we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The fact that he’s Black scares the hell out of these racists, and make no mistake about it, that is exactly what they are.

During the campaign there was some question as to McCain’s citizenship giving the fact he was born in Panama. Yet know one asked to see his proof of citizenship. The state of Hawaii has provided proof and there is no reason to believe there is a conspiracy on the part of the Hawaiian government. If you thought there was such a conspiracy then you would have to believe that they new that Obama would run for President some day and concealed his real birth place to further that cause. GIVE ME A BREAK!

The bottom line is you’re never going to satisfy the folks, so the best thing to do is ignore them. No news reports, no newspaper articles just simply ignore them. There is noting to prove and they will never prove their theory. They have noting to say that is fact based.

My challenge to these folks is to produce proof of their citizenship. And no matter how many times they show me the document(s), I won’t believe them. I just don’t believe any of them are true citizens. After all they’ve told us time and time again, document can be forged by anyone.


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Are they nuts! They want to pass a bill making it mandatory for Candidates to prove their citizenship. Yet when Obama produced such evidence they don't believe him. Why then would they believe anyone else? What exactly will this bill accomplish?

Let's face facts; if Obama were O'bama the Irish President we wouldn’t be having this conversation. The fact that he’s Black scares the hell out of these racists, and make no mistake about it, that is exactly what they are.

During the campaign there was some question as to McCain’s citizenship giving the fact he was born in Panama. Yet know one asked to see his proof of citizenship. The state of Hawaii has provided proof and there is no reason to believe there is a conspiracy on the part of the Hawaiian government. If you thought there was such a conspiracy then you would have to believe that they new that Obama would run for President some day and concealed his real birth place to further that cause. GIVE ME A BREAK!

The bottom line is you’re never going to satisfy the folks, so the best thing to do is ignore them. No news reports, no newspaper articles just simply ignore them. There is noting to prove and they will never prove their theory. They have noting to say that is fact based.

My challenge to these folks is to produce proof of their citizenship. And no matter how many times they show me the document(s), I won’t believe them. I just don’t believe any of them are true citizens. After all they’ve told us time and time again, document can be forged by anyone.


DMM
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

I hope they keep it up. You can't buy such negative images for the Republicans.


truthmatterz
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

Lt. Col. Maria Quon, U.S. Army Public Affairs Officer, U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Tuesday evening, Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty.

… Earlier today, Quon said Cook submitted a formal written request to Human Resources Command-St. Louis on May 8, 2009 volunteering to serve one year in Afghanistan with Special Operations Command, U.S. Army Central Command, beginning July 15, 2009. The soldier's orders were issued on June 9, Quon said.

“A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty,” Quon said.

As the “milblog” Mudville Gazette notes:

In short – Cook never had to go in the first place. Unlike most soldiers who deploy as part of a unit, Cook – a reservist – had volunteered to go as an individual augmentee. The Army generally seeks volunteers to fill such assignments first – if no one does so then a non-volunteer is tapped.

… Even without going to court, the Army says – essentially – hey, no problem. You were the one who wanted to go in the first place.

Actually, there is one “Major” problem. Because Cook waited to the last minute to take this action, either someone is going to get a very short notice non-volunteer assignment, or else the unit in Afghanistan will have to get by without one soldier for a while. Since that soldier would be a field grade officer, it's likely that the position will be of some significance.

This is something they cooked up several months ago in order to get some publicity. What a bunch of losers!.


mattthomas
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:12 pm

It does not matter to me. Its better to have a President who protect people from Predatory lending, Credit Card exploitations, some one who care for all Americans health than just only healthy , some one who care for Global envorornment etc .. than have a George W Bush as a President. …What did Republicans did? Still they are talking for 5% top rich people. Stand with Avarage Americans…if you want to win?


2bill
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

When BO went to Indonesia @ 10yo, did he have a birth certificate?


abdulrehmanshaikh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

i am telling these racist republican and their nazi allies that times have been changed different realities on the ground if you accept these ok other wise get fucked .liwsten sotomayor is the supreme court justice. latinos are very close to so called white majority.


HusseinO
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

OK so he is a natural born American, why will he not release his college records, is there something there he does not want us to see?


argyle
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Just another example that republicans are batsh*t crazy. They don't even realize how idiotic they look.


kladinvt
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

This is the far-righties version of Whitewater, Vince Foster, Travelgate, etc, which follows the rule that “if you say a lie enough times, it must be the truth”. Or at the very least, you get those with the lowest IQs to bob their collective heads in unison and drool, while they wait for someone to toss them a fish!


valenHarris
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

Who knew the Republicans would *literally* lose their minds when they lost power. I know it's tough out there in the wilderness but their desperation here is just pathetic.


kladinvt
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

College records? Now you don't believe he graduated from college? Wingnut, you are truly pathetic! Wake up….YOU LOST THE ELECTION…GET OVER IT!


LOLOLOLOL
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

release nut job.

o wait. Devry was fresh out o'degrees that day?

and NEWSFLASH. he did. during the damned primaries. Use the interwebs for something oher than porn and fundie sites and you might know this.


grace brown
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

Wasn't McCain born out of the country to American parents?


LOLOLOLOL
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

release yours too*

:D


HusseinO
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:19 pm

valenHarris: just showes how little you know, the republicans lost power in 2006, which by the way is when a once great country began to go hell.


dlane001
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

I have read the statement of Hawaii’s Dept of Health director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino. She confirms that she has seen and verified that they possess the President’s original birth certificate.

She has confirmed, on Oct 31, 2008, that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

In addition, the copy the Obama campaign released as been seen, touch, felt and confirmed to be an official copy of that original birth certificate. Photographs exist. Independent, third party confirmation exists.

What evidence will you believe, what spokesperson will you believe, if not the person directly responsible for managing such records, who has access to such records, who has seen the records?


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

amen.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

The longer the Dems let this go on—the easier it is to tie these nutjobs to the Republican party. Letting the opposition and their supporters hang themselves is politics 101.


CookSucks
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

which to me sounds like the work of some traitorous bastards attempting to smear the good name of our President and our country.

Cook deserve's a nice lawsuit, or some jail time. This was most certainly planned and done so with the intention of defaming Obama's name in an attempts to politicize/legitimize a right-wing conspiracy theory steeped in racism.


daltonII
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

This is what you get when your political party has no ideas and is loaded with these idiots.

In Virgina the GOP has a woman who says we should make changes via the “bullet box” versus the ballet box, you've got plenty of members continuing to deny any form of climate change, and yesterday I see a poll that says 72% of Republicans think Sarah Palin would be great as a President.


daltonII
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

This is what you get when your political party has no ideas and is loaded with these idiots.

In Virgina the GOP has a woman who says we should make changes via the “bullet box” versus the ballet box, you've got plenty of members continuing to deny any form of climate change, and yesterday I see a poll that says 72% of Republicans think Sarah Palin would be great as a President.


snesich
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

Wasn't this “Obama birth certificate” thing settled a long time ago? Why do the Republicans keep on bringing this up? Don't they realize this makes them look dumb and wacky?


mgabe
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

poor taste…


daltonII
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Right, a once great country, under George W. Bush and Dick Cheney.

Duh.


khrish
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

The only thing I can say is that these people are so ridiculous and ignorant they aren't even worth the time to try and prove anything to them. How stupid can you get?


midnight
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

These guys make themselves look so shabby. Have they no shame? It is almost as if they unzipped and flashed their inadequacies to the world.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

YOU NEED TO READ IT…CALL IF YOU NEED HELP WITH THE BIG WORDS MORON


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Actually, TWO newspapers. There was one in the Aug. 14th 1961 Star Bulletin also.

Of course, they were actually elaborate microfilm forgeries.

NOT.


ghorton
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

This is insane. Even if there were some error re: Obama's birth certificate — less than 1 in 100, 000,000 chance, I'd guess– it would not invalidate a presidential election. The only way to remove a president is by impeachment, and only grounds for impeachment is “high crimes”. Crimes require intent: how can a newborn have intent? If somebody fudged the certificate, it certainly wasn't the person who has been using as authentic his whole life.
We could far more easily challenge everything the executive branch did from 2000-2004 on the basis that the Supreme Court had no jurisdiction to decide that election!


CookSucks
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

ahh and I suppose “God” like “republicans” supports the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Civilians in a war against the “Axis of Ebil!!!!!11!11″


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

ALREADY HAS…NEXT


DrSam8
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

If Centcom did that (i.e., cancelled Major Cook’s deployment to Afghanistan), the officers in charge have not only failed to serve the national interest but are disloyal to the President, their Commander-in-Chief. Their decision sets a bad precedent that many other service men and women in the Armed Forces could use to avoid deployment. Yet, there is clearly no basis for Major Stefan F. Cook's assertion that President Obama is not a US citizen. As one would expecte, FOX NEWS is only to ready and willing to promote Mr. Cook’s grandstanding. Some bloggers have even suggested that Fox News is behind Mr. Cook’s stand. There is a well-established jurisprudence that the onus of proof lies with the one who allleges. It does not lie with CentCom, and surely not the President of the United States.


mgabe
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

I agree. Poll tax, birth certificates, speaking English, hanging chads…. All of these represent the Rethugs' attempts to disenfranchise minorities. Now that one of those minorities was elected President, they've extended they're tactics to the highest office of the land. I'm just waiting for them to pull out their jackboots and hoods. (Maybe some of them already have.)


GEmil
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

This is the end. Every time I think I might vote Republican (I was asked to support a Republican candidate for Governor of Wisconsin today), some crap like this is proposed. I am sick of this shit. Republicans: I will not come back to you until you have reassumed some sanity in your positions. Even if I think President Obama and the Democrats in congress might be on the wrong course, they are still light years ahead of the Republicans.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

You're right, ghorton. This is insane. But it doesn't have to get as far as how to remove a sitting President.

Even if there were an error with President Obama's birth certificate…his mother was still an American citizen when he was born. Period. End of story. So everyone else can collect their tinfoil hats and go back home. If you all hurry, you may be in time to catch the last 2 hours and 45 minutes of Rush's broadcast…


jupitor
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

It was seattled in court and out of court! Even republicans are fed up with this nonesense! Long time voteres say the party has gone completely nuts. As a old republican who voted Dem this year, I not pleased or ready to return to the party! I think they have enough problems with Sanford,Ensign, Palin, and I hear another GOP looked for Sex alse where than his own bed. It's time to clean house, or I don't care what happens with the economy, no republican is going to truest reprepublicans unless they are real stupid!


DrSam8
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

It also make them look stupid and desperate! Good post.
Dr. Sam


gordonwagner
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

I had to get an “official” birth certificate to get my kid a US Passport — the hospital had given us a “birth abstract” which had been ok for Little League and soccer registration, but not for a Passport — and so, then, should it be TO BE PRESIDENT. Put up or shut up! Let's see the damned birth certificate. What's the big deal? If it exists, provide it. If it doesn't exist, then Osama isn't qualified to be President of the US.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

You need to understand the story, with all due respect. Cook VOLUNTEERED for service in Afghanistan. It is the military's policy that a volunteer can back out any time prior to the day on which they are scheduled to ship out. So when Cook filed suit that said he no longer wanted to go, the military just said “ok, bye bye. You didn't need to file a lawsuit; you could have just told us you didn't want to go.”

The best part is that Cook's actual job was working for a defense contractor. And of course, the military said that now that he sued the Army, he is not welcome on military property. Instead of getting to look at President Obama's birth certificate, now Cook can spend all the time he wants studying his own pink slip.


Serious11
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

But god does not exist.


Kirth
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:34 pm

..

Traitors and secessionists.

..


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

RoadScholar said to Randwulf 1 hour ago

“Ah. So you've chosen to remain an America-hating scofflaw conspiracy nut and an official pinhead. I am saddened by your choice.”

Logged in as Randwulf

Randwulf 2 minutes ago

You know. I'm 54 years old. I registered for the draft when I was 17. I was drafted three days after my 18th birthday. I avoided going into the army by basically joining the Marine Corps. I had in fact already been accepted into one of their commissioning programs prior to being drafted.

I'm an Eagle Scout, university graduate, former USMC officer, holder a master's degree from a major university and a self-employed construction manager for the past 20 years. I have never taken money form the US government for anything other than my scholarship from the Naval ROTC program in which I enrolled to be commissioned upon graduation and the pay I received while on active duty. I don't ask much from government. I expect it to defend our shores, maintain a highway system and leave me and the rest of the citizenry alone. I believe in small government and free enterprise. I do expect my government not to lie or withhold information from me. They are supposed to work for and be responsible to US.

So if that makes me “an American-hating scofflaw conspiracy nut and an official pinhead” well, I plead guilty. I guess I just don't measure up to what the NEW AMERICAN type is supposed to be. But I was saluting the flag and doing my duty, while others were burning and spitting on flags. I was working when others were laying around waiting for their welfare checks. I proudly wore the uniform and followed my orders while others grew out their hair and bad-mouthed their country. Now those people are calling ME “America-hating”? Whatever.

I distinctly remember the Navy requiring me to get them a copy of my original, long-form BC in order to enter my officer training program to become a 2nd Lt. It was a photocopy of the original with a stamp and official's signature on it. Notarized. I still have that in a file with my Honorable Discharge.

I had no misgivings about producing it for the Naval authority since it was required. That is just to be a 2nd Lt. So now I wonder why the Commander in Chief has a problem handing over a copy of his. That should “sadden” you more than my “American-hating” I should think.


hansmeiser
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

No, just kill those who are already born.. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 tells parents to kill their disobedient children with stones.

Republicans don't seem to know the bible well, they're too busy thumping it.


gordonwagner
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

Excuse me? Was that not an ad hominem attack? PROVIDE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE. WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR A PIECE OF THE MOON, HERE, JUST PROVIDE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE.


Victor
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

I don't know how much longer I'm going to keep living in Kansas. I was born here, but this state is getting more and more like Alabama with each passing day. Between, Kobach, Brownback, Tiahrt and our state board of education, this state has no hope. These extreme, evangelical conservatives are ignorant and ridiculous.


Dotty
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

As reported on Keith Obermann, the Major referred to was then refused entry to his defense contractor job and fired, so his lawyer didn't do him many favors. The Pentagon apparently doesn't want employees in sensitive jobs who have issues with the government and the Commander in Chief. Seems reasonable to me.


Kansasguy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Mr. Weigel:

Considering the name of your website, your article is not very open-minded. You and the commenters who insult persons who question Obama's eligibility only show your ignorance of the subject matter.

The Constitution requires that the President be a “natural born” U.S. citizen, but does not define natural born. The definition has been addressed only once since the Constitution was written, in Minor v. Happersett. In that case the U.S.Supreme Court wrote that a person born in the U.S. to U.S. citizens was natural born. The court stated that it had doubts about persons born under any other circumstances. Such circumstances would include one parent not being a U.S. citizen, as is the case with Obama. They would also obviously include the birth of a person outside the U.S., which might also apply to Obama. The public has never seen his long form birth certificate, showing the hospital and attending physician. The COLB Obama posted his on FightTheSmears website was first posted on the Daily Kos website. Is that not peculiar?

I would have thought that a top-notch university such as Northwestern would have taught you to do some actual historical research before writing such a confident article about “frivolous” lawsuits. It is not the fault of persons like me that the political and legal systems have failed the
American public on this issue.


politiliedetector
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

He did, release his college records, but I would imaginie that you referring to his actual undergraduate college coursework, term-paper and the like.

and nobody else has released coursework, so what's the point and besides that we known that this President was in the top of his class, and the Editor of the Harvard Law Review where he was well respected by both conservative and progressive contributors alike by the way.

Funny how we harp on Obama's failure to appease your unjust cynicism of his credentials, when we know full well John McCain was kicked out for failing grades, only to be reinstated against policy, likely due to his family's long legacy at the Academy and still ended up at the bottom of his class, but failure on his part is acceptable, and reasonable huh?

I wonder why?


Victor
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

For those of you whinebags who keep yacking about Obama to show his birthcertificate, HE ALLREADY DID! You freaking idiots! Pull your heads out of your damn asses!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

The only part of your whole post that makes sense is where you said Osama isn't qualified to be President. I agree. But no one has yet suggested making Osama bin Laden President. He has a better chance in 2012 than any Republican, but that is to say he has zero chance.

President Barack Hussein Obama will be President until the end of his second term.

Your post shows that you have no logical skills. President Obama HAS a passport. That means he has satisfied ALL requirements of proving that he is who he says he is, including without limitation producing a birth certificate.

It HAS been provided, and is easily available online. But you aren't one to let facts get in the way of your argument, are you? Tell me, when John McCain had to take the microphone away from you, just how silly did you feel for saying President Obama is an “Arab?”


oan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

For those who are new to American history and politics, being Black has always been seen as alien and suspect. As long as Barack Obama is a Black man, with a Black wife, there will be some scheme or another by people who are incensed that he is in power. These people are unable or unwilling to express the true reason for their hatred and disdain, so they resort to nonsense.


nellpost
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

In my opinion, cook is a self serving over the hill loser.


nellpost
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

yep.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Yes, that is precisely what the British authorities were saying about my ancestors back in 1776.

Don't Tread On Me! A$$HOLE!!


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

How many times does it need to be produced and authenticated by the State of Hawaii to be accepted as evidence, that's the question. If Obama weren't black, would hundreds of people and half a dozen talk show hosts be questioning his birth? Do you doubt his age so that Hawaii wasn't a state when he was born? I just don't get it.


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Not only that, a true citizen would have better things to do with their time than to make up phony accusations against the President of the United States. This is about as unAmerican as it gets, imho, since President Obama was duly elected by a majority of voters, not to mention his landslide in the Electoral College.


pxl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

the birther bill… another jim crow law wrapped up in a pretty red-white-and-blue bow


terragazelle
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

So you are saying that since Obama has had a PassPort since he was a young boy that he does have a legal American Birth Certificate. Thank you.


commonsense1211
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

this country started to go to hell when that senile old man reagan took over in 80


palmharbor
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Does anyone mind that Rush Limbaugh is a love child of Herman Goering? Take a look at Goering's photo and then Rush Limbaugh photo. You can see that they are related and both
Goering and Limbaugh have the same body styles…obese. Both smoked cigars….both share Fascist views.


Frankie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

America is the greatest country in the world. Do you want me to believe that Dick Cheney, Fox News, Rush, Hannity, Beck, Dobbs, O’Reily CIA, FBI, DEA, Homeland Security, US Congress, and Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts cannot verify that President Obama is a US CITIZEN?

President Obama is my President.


Jackie Jones
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

GOP: The party of religious zealots, tin-foil-hat nutjobs, skinheads, gun nuts, racists, hypocritical adulterers and perverts, crazies and dullards. Thanks, but NO THANKS!


uboreme
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

Are you really this immature? Osama? Really? This is why conservatives are no longer taken seriously?


richardba
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

Only this president is asked for a BC, where was a noise when it Bush or Reagan, backhanded racist nonsense. I would hope our elected officials have more important things to do, what a bunch of morons.


lsu
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

HusseinO: just showes how little you know

indeed


Dee3
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

Believe it or not I am sixty years old, born in New York city and I have an old black and white photocopy of my birth certificate. It even has a C on it which stands for colored. Back in the day coloured birth certificates were filed separately, in a different place. It is the copy my mother applied for and received in 1948 just before we left New York. My mother always used it for me when she had to verify my birth etc. and then she gave it to me to use when I turned 21. My mother was an organization buff and I guess so am I that's why I still have the original with signatures. It's a keepsake now, because it's no longer considered valid. I had to apply to New York for a new copy of my birth certificate to use to get my passport 2 years ago. The new one has almost no information on it, just certifies that I was born in New York in 1948, but it's considered valid and the original is not, go figure.


seattlefran
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

They lost, get over it. At least he won the popular vote and the electoral vote and didn't have to voted in by a corrupt supreme court.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

Why don't you move to Uganda then? You'll be much happier there I'm sure. Not a all like Alabama (well, some parts of it). You'll find some of the local evangelists there to be quite different for sure. They spend most of their time trying to persuade the locals not to chop each other up with machetes in tribal warfare. (In the name of Christ of course.) Do you have your birth certificate ready for the passport people? B-bye now.


Wellread1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

In reading the other comments below, I note that most people are focusing on the idea that surely Congress checked Obama's credentials before allowing him to run. That is the puzzle in this mess. There is nothing explicit in the Constitution that requires verification of the President's birth; rather it is only stated that the President must be a “natural-born Citizen”. In the smaller world of our founding fathers where everyone of importance knew everyone else, confirming citizenship was probably not required. People were born at home and the townsfolk knew very well who was born to whom. Today circumstances are more complex. I suggest that because Obama's mother was American, most people therefore assumed he would be as well. Furthermore, the race-card was probably very subtlely played here—who would dare to question the rights of a black candidate? This is not to say that Obama is not a deserving candidate who loves his country—he probably is. But the law is the law and the Constitution is inviolate and forms the basis of every legal decision made by the Supreme Court. Hence violating this law is an impeachable offense if there ever was one. Governor Shwarzenegger of California, born Austrian, knows this since he too has had Presidential ambitions. The question now becomes how to manoeuver our way out of this crisis. That is a troubling question……


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

Here's my comment — http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Refute that.


Jackie Jones
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

All I needed to join the Navy, get my passport, and apply for my security clearances, was the computer-generated copy I sent for issued by the state of New York. I am not much younger than you, so there you go. Get over it and get a life, already.


Jackie Jones
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

All I needed to join the Navy, get my passport, and apply for my security clearances, was the computer-generated copy I sent for issued by the state of New York. I am not much younger than you, so there you go. Get over it and get a life, already.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

I don't think the birthers believe that PRESIDENT OBAMA is not a citizen. I think that they can't just come out and say that they hate Ni@&%*'s, so what they are trying to do is make it as difficult on PRESIDENT OBAMA as they possibly can. They do this in order to make the next non white think twice before running for President. But, those pieces of garbage will not win. Racists take heed because your time is up. What you are doing is going to be synonymous with Custer's last stand. You are all Trash!!!!!


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

I don't think the birthers believe that PRESIDENT OBAMA is not a citizen. I think that they can't just come out and say that they hate Ni@&%*'s, so what they are trying to do is make it as difficult on PRESIDENT OBAMA as they possibly can. They do this in order to make the next non white think twice before running for President. But, those pieces of garbage will not win. Racists take heed because your time is up. What you are doing is going to be synonymous with Custer's last stand. You are all Trash!!!!!


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

I don't think the birthers believe that PRESIDENT OBAMA is not a citizen. I think that they can't just come out and say that they hate Ni@&%*'s, so what they are trying to do is make it as difficult on PRESIDENT OBAMA as they possibly can. They do this in order to make the next non white think twice before running for President. But, those pieces of garbage will not win. Racists take heed because your time is up. What you are doing is going to be synonymous with Custer's last stand. You are all Trash!!!!!


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Here's a question for Dave Weigel: is he accusing Janice Okubo of committing a crime? Because, if she did verify anything relating to Obama's private information, then she's broken Hawaiian state law. Here's their statute against revealing private information.

Is Weigel accusing her of breaking that law?

Either that, or Weigel is trying to mislead again. If she didn't break the law, then she didn't verify the certificate that's pictured on Obama's site. In other words, we're back to square one: there's no guarantee that what's shown on Obama's site matches what HI has on file.

If you want the truth about this issue – no speculation, no tinfoil hat talk, and no attempts to mislead such as Weigel engages in – see my completely fact-based overview.


dsincal
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Uh…well, neat that you couch this bilious argument is such a calm and faux-educated fashion, (in much the same style Dick Cheney presents bs as fact). Last I heard, Hawaii was part of the US when Obama was BORN THERE, as the state of Hawaii as consistently affirmed he was. Nor is there any actual issue of the court having “doubts” bearing any legal weight – it does not. People born in the US are natural born Americans. Period. Nice try though.


ObamaSupporter
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

I hate 'birthers' with a passion!!!!!!!!!!

How dare they try to take our wonderful president away from us!!!!!!!


ObamaSupporter
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

I hate 'birthers' with a passion!!!!!!!!!!

How dare they try to take our wonderful president away from us!!!!!!!


ObamaSupporter
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

I hate 'birthers' with a passion!!!!!!!!!!

How dare they try to take our wonderful president away from us!!!!!!!


Branname
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

If he has his passport, then he shouldn't have any trouble producing the document.


Alice Fried
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

The face of America is changing and these sad people can't handle the change. President Obama has us looking into our souls for change and there are those who only understand power and money. And because so many Americans are willing to take a chance on something different, the powers that be are trying to destroy the man who offered us the opportunity. It's too bad that those who know better, are willing to prostitute their integrity in order to maintain their status quo in American government. Nothing the President has said or done justifies this. Only the color of his skin. Shame on us for allowing this garbage to become mainstream news.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

“How many times does it need to be produced “

Once would be great!

Oh, and we just want to see if it said “negro” which would have been the right term at that time or if it said “African” which is something that has been cooked up by liberals in recent years.


BoogityBoogity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

HAHAHAHA

It's fun watching right wingnut heads explode.

He's a Muslim too…..and the White House is heated with a furnace full of aborted fetuses….but only the white ones….

LOLOLOL


Jackie Jones
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Bingo, that's the main issue. Hawaii has verified his place of birth, over and over again, and the birthers won't accept because they won't accept that they lost to a black man. The seething hatred and denial are all you need to realize what's happening.


Pete
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

The 'birthers' are a little group of nut jobs which just proves that there are as many or more basket weavers running around loose as there are in confinement.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

Oh, that was eloquent!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

“I suggest that because Obama's mother was American, most people therefore assumed he would be as well.”

Wow. My head hurts. For a minute there it sounded like you were making sense. Because that's the law. President Obama's mother was American. He could have been born on the polar ice cap. He's American.

And let's see, what else did you say? Oh yeah — “who would dare to question the rights of a black candidate?” Hmmm. I will answer that for you since you seem to have forgotten the entire general election campaign. Answer: The Republican Party.

Or did you forget all those ads about Ayers, the stupid birth certificate lawsuit, and the parade of non-sense the GOP subjected us to? The birth certificate thing was dealt with explicitly during the campaign. Even World Net Daily said the b.c. is legitimate.

You're just embarrassing yourself and scaring Democrats into donating to the President's re-election campaign.


ottothescourge
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

A lot of these Republicans began as innocent feces as well.


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

Right. His white American mother went to Kenya on an AIRPLANE at FULL TERM (not allowed in those days) to have a baby, never having been there before nor had she established a patient relationship with any doctor) either during or right after the Mau Mau Rebellion. LOL Sure. I would too! AS IF!!!!


CT_Katie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

What I don't understand in all of this is: There is no dispute that Obama's mother is an American citizen. Even if she had given birth overseas, which she didn't, but even if she had, when an American citizen gives birth overseas, isn't that child automatically an American citizen? If I give birth in England, the baby I bring back to the US is an American citizen.
Sigh. It doesn't matter. I know conspiracy theorists only use facts as fuel to further their conspiracies.


Dave
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

His mother was a citizen; therefore, he is a citizen. That's all there is to it.

Why are they too stupid to get this?


stevo
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

There's no satisfying Fascists


johnbakalik
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

This ole WW2vet cannot believe how dumb some who are in this US government are, Obama should make millions of copys of his birth certificate , autograph them and put them on sale for another term of his presidency. So keep it up you dumb repugs !!!!!!


jbridy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

It's like the “Whitewater” investigation without the land, the loans, the money, the 'official' investigation or any end in sight or an honest conclusion even desired. It is the corporate think tank plan and the paid for media's repeat of the big lie that counts when deliberately deceiving the American public.


Kiki1kat
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

I should feel sorry for you. President Obama HAS given them his birth certificate. Look. I have to enroll my child in middle school and they need the original. Well guess what? I can't put my hands on it so I will go a get a certified copy of it. That is just as good as the one that the hospital presented to me on the date of my child's birth. If I had to present MY original birth certificate, I would not be able to because it was generated over 50 years ago. You and others like you need to find a island to go live on and stay there. If the did not believe he was a REAL U.S. CITIZEN then he would not have been able to run.

The governer of California could never run for a United States Office because – GUESS WHAT? He is not a U.S. born citizen. So what makes you think they are going to ignore that in order to let the POTUS be in his position? You idiots need to go away.


Marilyn
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

What will happen when every person has a DNA test and all birth information is made public and all children can go after their biological parent and sue them for abandonment of parental responsibility? Be careful that these accusations don't come back to bite you!


qwegfgasdg
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

I hope this news makes it big time. When they realize that Obama is really a citizen and everyone hears about this ridiculous fiasco that party is going to just fade away. PLEASE FADE AWAY REPUBLICANS…keep talking the trash so we can through you out.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

“Shame on us for allowing this garbage to become mainstream news.”

What mainsteam news has it entered. They are all a-hush over it. The last thing they want is for it to spill over into TV land. It has already gone viral on the net and the rest of the world is amazed that nothing has been done to find out the truth in the matter. Oh, and most of the people of Kenya believe Obama was born in Mombasa, just as his step-grandmother Sarah stated.


Hypathia
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

I say, let the birthers have free reign to pursue this hoax as far as they like, and in return let's have a full bore investigation of the Bush gang's crimes. Sound fair?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Oh no! Not a HATER!

He is taking himself away from you by refusing to come clean on his own.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

But Katie, don't you see? That's just what they WANT you to believe. It really turns out that his mother isn't Stanley. All the real paperwork was intentionally destroyed. And then President Obama had to fly to Hawaii to murder this Stanley person before she could spill the beans about the secret that the entire state of Hawaii had for some reason been keeping for 47 years up until that moment.

All this had somehow gone unnoticed when President Obama was running for prior public office. Don't ask me how. I'm pulling sh*t outta my @ss as fast as I can just to get this far…

Geez, being a conspiracy theorist is easy. Facts that don't support the conspiracy just go to show HOW DEEP AND PERVASIVE the conspiracy really is!!!!


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

I dunno. Maybe Hawaii isn't white enough for them so they don't consider it a State? Could be. It's a mystery to me how anyone could be this willfully ignorant.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

McCain was born in Panama and the Dems took him to court to make him prove that he was born to two American citizens so your remark is nonoperative.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

Read the comments by all the eminent lawyers talking about how unclear the law is. McCain produced his documentation. Why does the same law not apply to Obama?


CT_Katie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

It wouldn't even matter where his mother was when she gave birth. She was American. Her children would be Americans. The end.


CT_Katie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

It wouldn't even matter where his mother was when she gave birth. She was American. Her children would be Americans. The end.


MarciaJ720
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

I wish these birthers truly understood what a “Certified Copy of a Live Birth” really is.

Original documents are NEVER, EVER, EVER released from any Country Registrar's office. Instead, all they can release is what they call a document that “Certifies” that there is on file with the Registrar's office an official birth or death announcement.

Obama would not have a valid passport without that original birth being on record. Idiots. Pure, gullible idiots to believe this stuff when FactCheck.Org (a right-leaning group btw) has dismissed this whole charade.

Fox News, et al has managed to make a whole lot of people paranoid and this paranoia is so close to what certain elements in Germany were doing before WW2.

The truth is that there are plenty of people in this here United States who to this day do not recognize a black man as anything but 3/5's a human being. Case-in-point…. my mother and father-in-law are still caught up with family losses from the Civil War.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Obama is half black and was raised by white people after his black father abandoned him. You can look it up.


JohnQPublic
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

Why does this even matter?

His mother is from Kansas. She is an American citizen. That makes her children American citizens. Are birthers saying that a Mexican woman can come into this country and give birth to an Amercian citizen, but a girl from Kansas cannot?

Are they saying that because his father had British citizenship, that trumps the mother's birthright? Do the birthers know of a little thing called “The Revolutionary War” where we severed ties with England?


politiliedetector
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

“Furthermore, the race-card was probably very subtlely played here—who would dare to question the rights of a black candidate?”

I would imagine the “—who would dare to question the rights of a black candidate?” line was an attempt at sarcasm right

who would illegitimately question the birth state of a black candidate? Well I'll take a swing…

Those who exist in the same ideological echo chamber as the unconfirmed SCOTUS nominee with a history of racist slurs who just happens to head the opposition's assault of a latina Judge with a 17 year history of unbias decisions following the letter of the law.

Ridiculousness, yeah the state of Hawaii knew some 40 years ago that this child would run for the Presidency one day in 2008 right?

Say that in the mirror a few times, and see if Lee Atwater appears as you reflection.


hyjanks
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Question:
What do Rush Limbaugh and god have in common?
Answer: Neither served in the military in spite of being physically fit.
Oh. Excuse me. There's that little matter of Rush being excused from the draft because of a boil on his a$$. The jury's still out on weather or not Jesus has a similar malady.


MarciaJ720
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

They have already released copies of his “Certified Copy of Live Birth” and that's all anyone is ever going to see.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Hey Wellread1, I appreciate this well put 2gether post. Very articulate. But if you really think Obama's citizenship is in at all questionable after 1 and a half years of the Clinton's digging and another year or so of the entire Republican Party digging, along with the US vetting process. You and this whole Birther movement are doing nothing but grasping at straws and look more and more fringe.


t
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

And your point is…


summertime
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Stefan Frederick Cook case questing President Obama Citizenship was dismisses by a Federal Judge on Thursday.
With all the problems Americans are struggling with today the Republicans has nothing better to do than question the
Birth Certificate of the President Obama six month into his Presidency, this is some kind of sick what must the World
think of this country.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

SO let me get this straight….we are somehow someway suppose to believe you instead of the whole government of Hawaii? Who are you? Where did you go to college? Why should we believe anything that comes out of your mouth? Come on retard you have some splanin to do


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Oh NO! Not another HATER!

He is taking HIMSELF away from you with every deception he continues.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

What you people dont understand, is ALL this would go away if he simply showed the damn Birth Certificate.
I see many of you liberals want to pounce on those asking him show it. Excuse me but common sense says end the speculation by showing it. If he does indeed have the stupid thing, then doesnt it make you wonder why he has yet to show it? Why is he fighting it if there is nothing to hide?

Some of you are so damn quick to pounce on anyone who dares question your saviour, you fail to see the common sense in all of this. Let me break it down one more time for you that are apparently really really slow.
IF OBAMA WOULD STOP FIGHTING IT AND JUST SHOW THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE….ALL THIS GOES AWAY.
There, you get it now?!


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

Really? Then how did we all get to see this? http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/bi…


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

Nutballs all of em!


Joe Einloth
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

Dorothy: Wow, I'm glad we're not in Kansas anymore, Toto!

Toto: Me, too! I'VE got more brains than this a$$h@t!!


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

You've never read the Constitution, have you?


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

I have a question, does anyone work anymore? I'm having trouble understanding why people are debating this topic. The birthers are not interested in the facts, they want one thing, the removal of a president by any means. They can not accept that Americans elected Obama. Their tactics of voter intimidation and manipulation didn't work this time and they are mad as hell. They are not crazy they have an agenda. First try to delegitimize him, he isn't really an American. Next demonise him, marxist-socialist, Antichrist. Then if they can't impeach him try to overthrow him, good luck with that. Look at how they responded to the coup in Guatemala, it's ok if he is a marxist. When these tactics don't work assassinate him, actually i think this was their first choice. Luckily for us Obama has excellent security. Because they can't get to him they go after “liberals” like the people in church and the police officers who were murdered. Call these people what they really are, traitors, cowards, terrorists.


Mnoriega777
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

Amen!


politiliedetector
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

Bi-Racial White and African, but I get your point


Joe Einloth
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

He showed it online and you STILL ain't buyin' it!! So, WGAS what you tinfoil hat wearin' buffoons think!


kb345
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:11 am

Once AGAIN!!!!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

Um, im not running for President. If you are wanting the job as President, most of your privacy ends or should end. The American people should know as much about you as humanly possible.
Strangely enough, many of Obama's past record were sealed. Like I said before, if you want this to end, simply show the Birth Certificate. That is all he has to do. I dont know if he has it or not but it sure makes you wonder why he has refused to release it for at least a year now.


CT_Katie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

Point taken. They come from a dark place, go to a dark place, then keep digging. Can it all be pure racism? Racists unite with conspiracy theorists, each unhinged in their own way, to produce a staggeringly dishonest campaign to….what?
In the end, it all stems from an effort to turn away from the real dangers that society faces. That's my best take on it. And it only serves to further the same purpose: it keeps them – and others – from confronting the real dangers that society faces.
Maybe that's the real danger of it?


subterfugitive
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

I'm sorry GOP. Try as you may but you will never convince me that government doesn't work. You will never get my cynical or hateful vote, especially when it is you who is, with unprecedented desperation, trying to stop government from working, trying to plant cynicism in the hearts and minds of the American people, and are promoting hatred and xenophobia in a most fragile time in our nation's history.

Shame.


hyjanks
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Obama's mother. American citizen. Child born to American citizen is American. End of story.
Me thinks Randwulf and his ilk need to go back to McGuffey's Reader or the tales of Dick & Jane. If they study the text really hard, maybe they will learn how to read.


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

I carry a copy and have committed much of it to memory. JohnQ is correct. Born on US soil = Natural-Born Citizen.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

I say let them have free reign to pursue the hoax, as long as they guarantee to get themselves news coverage.

It's the best advertising Democrats could buy. Republicans are 20% of the country, and less than 5% of Republicans believe any of this birther nonsense.

NONE of the rest of the country believes it. They instead see it as the death throes of racists who cannot accept that the President is black.

It would be very difficult, and very expensive, for Democrats to make political ads that trash the opposing party's stupidest-yet-most-vocal element. But the birthers are doing it for free.

More to the point, every day one of these clowns is on television, every day that Ensign/Sanford/Vitter do not step down for adultery even though they all demanded that Clinton step down, is a day when Republicans cannot claim to be the party of morals, family values, decency, or respect.

And aren't Republicans always up in arms about showing deference to the Commander in Chief during a time of war? Haven't we been at war since before President Obama took office? Doesn't that mean that these birthers and the Congressmen who enable them are showing an inexcusable lack of respect for our supreme commander at wartime, when hundreds of thousands of our best soldiers are in harm's way?

I really want to see these dolts insult our President to his face, or in front of the military that is HONORED to serve under his command.

You know, I really despised President Bush. I could not think of one policy he had that I liked. But once the Supreme Court installed him in office, I never doubted that he's our President or that as such he is entitled to a generous measure of my respect. I was taught that you respect the uniform if not the man wearing it.

The right-wing crowd is always so gung-ho about the rule of law and respect for the military and unitary executive this and that. Turns out it's all just hot air from them. Big surprise.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

That WAS NOT his Birth Certificate. That has been proven over and over again. A certificate of live birth is easily attainable even if you werent born where said live birth certificate says.
Show the real certificate and it all goes away. It is that damn simple.


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

Don’t you know he’s a Black Gay Muslim Terrorist who yearns to live in San Francisco someday, is a direct descendent of Hitler (on his mothers side) stills pals around with terrorist (he did recently meet with George Bush) and can see North Korea from his house, which is a good thing because he’ll be able to help his friend Kim Jung ILL guide the missiles in to help America become free from the capitalist stronghold. I don’t know about you but this guy scares me.

No the other hand being a Gay Muslim he may not have time for all of the above as he is probably tied up (and I don’t mean that in a sexual way) with redecorating the Whitehouse not to mention prayer 5 times a day. It’s all about color.

Did I mention he’s not a citizen.


daveg256
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

How has he not come clean? The state of Hawai'i has produced the birth certificate. Did you read the article?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

WHERE IS YOURS? SHOW YOURS HOW DO WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE EVEN HUMAN?


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Some of you are so damn quick to pounce on anyone who dares question your saviour, you fail to see the common sense in all of this. Let me break it down one more time for you that are apparently really really slow.
IF OBAMA WOULD STOP FIGHTING IT AND JUST SHOW THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE….ALL THIS GOES AWAY.
There, you get it now?!

If he has it great, then the people who question it can move on. If he doesnt then there is a problem and it needs to be looked at. I dont know if he has it or not but common sense tells me if he's put a a fight for a year now in refusing to show it or address it, it kinda makes you wonder why.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Go back to your TV inspired lunacies. Blame it on Fox. Blame it on the NAZIS. Blame it on the 3/5ths compromise.. And for God's sake, get over the Un-Civil War.

I believe the president could probably get a good photocopy released or arrange for the original to be examined by some unbiased third party examiners of several of them, if he weren't afraid to show it. There should be a long form there in the file. Or not.

Many states release photocopies of the original long form on request.


afisher
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Minus all the BOLD FACE yelling, the same question could be put to any citizen of the USA, especially those who were born at home. How can we trust that hospitals are telling the truth…blah blah blah.

As you and those like you are so sure that President Obama was born elsewhere…go find the THAT PROOF!

As for all the legislative efforts….a waste of taxpayers dollars! But someone is making money off of all this…are you? Who is paying for the lawsuits…as we know that lawyers rarely really work for free.


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

What in your opinion would be the real Brith Cert? What would satisfy you?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

It is a fake and no real one exists. So I guess you are right.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

the only people speculating are morons, bifers make up like .00007% of the population. no one cares what you think, dig? we are laughing at you. all of us. also, glad to see you see you are a member of the CAPZ LOCK POSSE!!!


Richmonk
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

McCain was born is Panama.
What's your fricking point?
You rethugs, you bunch of ignorant fat-ass Dopes,. How about bombing some abortion clinics or killing innocent Doctors for fun?
Haven't you done enough damage in the name of religious Christian republican family values such as racism, hate, greed, bigotry and intolerance?
After all it's what Jesus would “never” do.


Lava Lee Pyre
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

Wow. Took you like, 6 hours to come up with a crazy accusation and yet you still have nothing to rebut the facts in this article. Face it, you've wasted large amounts of time on a complete fantasy.


Lava Lee Pyre
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

Wow. Took you like, 6 hours to come up with a crazy accusation and yet you still have nothing to rebut the facts in this article. Face it, you've wasted large amounts of time on a complete fantasy.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

Still waiting to see yours idiot


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

Youre an idiot. The only agenda is to find out if he indeed has a birth certificate. Thats all. If he has it, show it and its all done with.

I realize you look to Obama as your King but he's no king and hes no saviour.


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

How many Birth Cert dose he need to show you before you'll believe he a US citizen?


thinkwell
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

In his autobiography, “Dreams…”, 0bama claimed to have found a copy of his original BC while still in high school. He says he has it, so why doesn't he release it?


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

why would anyone want this sideshow to go away? any lawyers working for obama are doing it pro bono and it keeps you goofballs busy instead of getting out there and causing real trouble. plus, for most of america, you folks are hilarious!

also, please, more CAPZ LOCK!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

SEALED?? PROVE IT OR STFU


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subterfugitive
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

You just said that.


dzerres
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

… and the Army got him fired from his civilian job in the defense contracting industry because the Army said that the former Major is not longer allowed on any military installation (kookiness is a security risk, after all). So, the military is not backing the Major's claim, in fact the opposite is true, although this fact, along with all the other facts, don't seem to bother the right wing wingnuts.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

His real birth certificate. Thats it. I dont understand what the issue is. He can either show it and all of this goes away, or continue to fight it and the law suits will pile up. Why is he making it so hard?

I have no theory if he was born in Hawaii or not but the fight and refusal he is putting up makes me wonder.


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

You know, all this may be the reason they haven't found a church since being in office. It may just be considered too dangerous. Between “good” church people stumping for his failure and other terrible things to happen to him and the fact that church isn't safe (reference Dr. Tiller), they may have decided just to hang up going until he's through being President. I wouldn't blame him. I wouldn't blame any of them.


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

You know, all this may be the reason they haven't found a church since being in office. It may just be considered too dangerous. Between “good” church people stumping for his failure and other terrible things to happen to him and the fact that church isn't safe (reference Dr. Tiller), they may have decided just to hang up going until he's through being President. I wouldn't blame him. I wouldn't blame any of them.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

PROVE IT OR STFU TROLL


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

Here it is: http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/bi…

Now, please stop saying he hasn't shown it. You have seen it with your own eyes if you clicked on this link. Also, I recommend reading Dreams From My Father. It explains all about his background and was written long before he had decided on a political career.


americanteacher
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

Did you read the article chuckj? Did you see the link? Did you click on it? Did you see the birth certificate? Will you be satisfied with it? I'll bet you won't.


dzerres
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

He hasn't “refused”. His campaign put the actually picture of the birth certificate on the internet. What do you people want? I know, I know … the moon landings didn't happen either. They too were staged. You people are idiots.


LeftyODoule
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

He's half black, his father was Muslim, he MUST BE A FOREIGNER. The greatest thing about Obama's presidency is how pissed it makes you racists.


akarmenia1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

Are you seriously blowing smoke over a joke with questionably bad taste? The hypocrisy is astounding. Where were you when Letterman joked about Alex Rodriguez knocking up Sarah Palin's daughter? Or Wanda Sykes wishing that Limbaugh's kidneys would fail? Talk about “bad taste.” The double-talk from the Huffington Post is outright ridiculous. The same people who blasted Republicans for caring about the fact that Bill Clinton had multiple affairs while in the Oval Office are now showcasing every Republican who ahs an affair. Which is it? Are they just jokes or are they bad taste? You can't decide what is right depending on who said it about whom.


hemnebob1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

i don't know where you have been living chuckj but that issue isn't even an issue anymore.
don't you have anything with substance? have you already finished reading the national
enquirer and have nothing else to whine about? this is a non-issue and the fact that for some reason you wish to evade reality is your issue. so nobody i know regards our president as
anyone other than a man (except you) and as far as most of America? you are just a loser
and have some real profound mental issues…bet you temper is quick to ignite and nobody around you is right but you…
yep…
THERE, YOU GET IT NOW??

you are a loser.


John Donald Carlucci
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Please cite exact sources in detail before talking general crap. Specifically name the records that are sealed and the research you have done (besides listen to Fox or talk radio) to confirm the sealing.

I'll wait.

JDC
http://democracyhypocrisy.blogspot.com/


John Donald Carlucci
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Please cite exact sources in detail before talking general crap. Specifically name the records that are sealed and the research you have done (besides listen to Fox or talk radio) to confirm the sealing.

I'll wait.

JDC
http://democracyhypocrisy.blogspot.com/


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Yes, but do you understand it? And who said he was born on US soil? Hell, Obama himself can't even get it straight which hospital he claims to have been born in. Maybe he needs to get a copy of his long form and read it himself. You know, so he can try to keep it straight. Kapi'olani or Queens? Which is it?


peterdv
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

These guys are just tin foil on the windows, knuckle dragging freaks!!! Why don't they just wear their hoods and come out of the closet!!!
Hey Whips… I mean Republicans, you lost, your out of touch. Your experiment for the last 30 years failed. This country is in deep crap because of your policies and beliefs.
Go away!! This country has had enough of you!!!


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Here's the birth certificate: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

Now, please stop asking for the same thing over and over again. It just makes you like silly and mean-spirited.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Wow. From the side that preaches tolerance comes folks like you Richmonk. You are among the many hypocrits on the left. Seems to me, youve got some issues with anger and hate. Might want to get that checked out.
McCain's family was also in the military and apart of the military when that birth occurred. Oh and the democrats made sure McCain had to prove all that, yet when something simple is asked of your saviour, people like you get offended and angry.
See, I can have a conversation without being hateful and angry. Why cant you? You mustve been among the many liberals that showed nothing but absolute hate for our previous President, yet here you are spewing this garbage.


akarmenia1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Here is your typical liberal argument…you sound like my college professors, Richmonk, and not the smart ones.


nonpartay
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Here it is: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

Now please stop! This is really getting old.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

dz, they put up a picture of a Certificate of Live Birth. Not his birth certificate. If he had indeed showed his real birth certificate, there would not be any law suits.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

MAKES ME WONDER HOW THE HELL YOU TIE YOUR SHOES….OR DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT SHOES ARE?


sinking
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

I challenge any 'birther' to produce their original birth certificate. To acquire an U.S. Passport, you must should your birth certificate. Every state that I know of will provide you with a 'certified' copy of your birth certificate, but you'll never see nor touch the original.


sinking
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

I challenge any 'birther' to produce their original birth certificate. To acquire an U.S. Passport, you must should your birth certificate. Every state that I know of will provide you with a 'certified' copy of your birth certificate, but you'll never see nor touch the original.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

OOH! OOH! AAH! AAH! TUKI! TuKI!


newsmonster09
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

I think it has become somewhat dangerous to make statements like this. Rachel Maddow did a good segment on it a while back which I am too lazy to look for, but you should check it out. Her point was that, it is dangerous when a swath of people believe that the President is illegitimate. It is the kind of hostile, not-so-subtly racist belief that can lead to crazy fringe group violence.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

As a matter of fact, I think im reporting your comment Richmonk. Save your bigot, hypocritical hate for some where else.


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

As a life-long progressive, I applaud the “birther” movement, the Tea Parties, the Sex Scandals, the C-Street Scandals, the hiking of the Appalachian Trail, the mindboggling resignations and the speeches that go with them, the Minutemen, the Ricky Ricardo comments to our next Supreme Court justice, the racist mailings, the racist E-mails, and CD's with racist parody songs and the efforts to ban timeless classics.

Keep it up. You might get the White House back again in 2112. Maybe.


akarmenia1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

As if cynicism towards government is such a bad thing. Try reading any single document of the Founding Fathers (like, maybe the COnstitution to start) and you will undoubtedly see that cynicism towards government is what this great nation was founded on. Not a heavy reliance on the nanny state to make sure you don't fall down and scratch your knee without anyone to sue.


SPECOPS
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

Did the F.B.I NOT DUE A BACKGROUND CHECK FOR A SECURITY CLEARENCE FOR PRES, OBAMA? HOW DUMB ARE THE R?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

Laugh away! See you at the insurrection! Got Ammo?


CT_Katie
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

This Orly Taitz person who financed the reservist who volunteered to serve in Afghanistan only to then say he couldn't go because Obama is not an American? She's a Russian-born dentist-lawyer who lives in Orange County, CA. Who cares a lot about American democracy, because she says she doesn't want to see the same abuses happen here that happened in the old Soviet Union.
So she's using propaganda and disinformation to promote a rabid and dishonest hate campaign against the first black president.
Makes complete sense to me.


dorkus54
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Hello, I”m a “birther” and I have serious mental problems. I only trust the government that I voted for and all my allegiances to my country are contingent on getting what I want. I think the earth is 6000 years old, that humans hand-fed dinosaurs and that the “Flintstones” is a documentary. Why won't anyone take me seriously?


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Hey, your cap lock is on.


akarmenia1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

Another blind Obama worshiper who has NO idea what the Constitution says (or perhaps even what it is).


hemnebob1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

kobach is a loser just like the republican party.
get over it people, something should be ringing in your ears right now like
“hey…we lost, must be that we have the wrong idea about Americans…
they don't like our principles…”

like, duh…

they will never get it.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

Why do I let myself continue to be surprised about that amount of hate from liberals. I mean seriously, look at these comments. All from the side the touts 'tolerance', equality, etc etc etc.

There would be no issue here is he showed his BIRTH CERTIFICATE and not a easily attainable Certificate of Live Birth. The matter would have been put to rest by now. Some men in the miliary have refused to take any orders for deployment until a birth certificate is shown. They have every right to do so. So please, Mr. Obama, just show your damn birth certificate! WHy is that so damn hard?


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

The law says:

“If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at
the time of ones birth, that parent must have resided in the United States
for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.”

O's mother was only 18 and does not meet this test. She did not and can not pass her citizenship to her son. Sorry you don't like how the law is written.


emberAZ
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Thank you so much for your words. I agree with you.


emberAZ
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

Thank you so much for your words. I agree with you.


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:29 pm

What you mistake for being “offended and angry” is my wishing you would either fix the economy, get millions their jobs back, fix the Middle East, fix Wall Street, fix my 401K or STFU already.

We have bigger issues ahead of us, and you are content to just sit there and throw stones from the sandbox. Enough already. Admit that you don't like him because he doesn't look like you and be done with it already.


John Donald Carlucci
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

I haven't seen a birther movement develope around McCain, but I don't watch Fox (fair and balanced) News.

Love how you always roll out the lack of tolerance from the Left right before you spew your ugliness.

Here is one for you – love how you repubs always roll out the family values and sanctity of marriage…
Then your leaders get caught with their dicks in the wrong places.

JDC
http://democracyhypocrisy.blogspot.com/


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

chuckj – did you know that none of us can show our “real birth certificate”. The only thing any of us can get are “certified copies”. Real birth certificates are kept somewhere safe in a county clerk's office.

Tell you what – go down to the county where you were born and ask to see your “real birth certificate”. Let us know what happens.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

I simply believe Obama is hiding and this is why he has sealed off all of his records. I have asked myself so many times, WHO IS THIS MAN? No one can tell me. My next question is, why or what is he hiding? I would show my birth certificate as needed. I DONT have nothing to hide.
Whats the problem? What is he hiding?
This is a very simple request and Obama still refuses to show us all. Obama can end it by showing the long birth certificate, but wont. This tells me and many others he is lieing.
He was born in Mombasa, Kenya. He used the name of Barry Soetoro to go to school. WHO IS THIS MAN? And by the way, now when did he have his name changed? Every one knew him as Barry tell when?
kwiley9711


Billy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Some crackers just can't handle a black president.

Drives them crazy. Literally.

Simple as that.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

What I dont understand, if you liberals are 100 percent certain Obama is a born citizen and you dont have a problem with him not showing his Birth Certificate, why are you here complaining?

If some believe he should have to show it, that is their right. This man is the top man in the country. If people want proof of his citizenship so be it. Give them the proof, they shut up, end of story.

Mean while, your saviour is running up debt to disasterous records, continues to lie about transparency, has lobbyists all over DC, etc etc and you come here to complain, hate, and spew your typical garbage. Why all the hate? You control the White House. You control Congress. Why cant you liberals EVER be happy? LOL its sad but funny at the same time how some of you, the only thing you know is how to be angry and hate


hemnebob1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

i don't know about you but entertainers are not my compass for political matters.
if they determine who you like or dislike, well then that is your burden not mine.
for how many years has blimpbaugh the druggie, been slinging crap all over the airwaves?
way before clinton took office was this obese man sliming up the airwaves towards
who he hated so don't take no high road on this crap.
lots of entertainers make jokes in bad taste but they aren't making policy nor
do they determine who or whom i vote for.

get real akarmenia1


hemnebob1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

i don't know about you but entertainers are not my compass for political matters.
if they determine who you like or dislike, well then that is your burden not mine.
for how many years has blimpbaugh the druggie, been slinging crap all over the airwaves?
way before clinton took office was this obese man sliming up the airwaves towards
who he hated so don't take no high road on this crap.
lots of entertainers make jokes in bad taste but they aren't making policy nor
do they determine who or whom i vote for.

get real akarmenia1


hemnebob1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

i don't know about you but entertainers are not my compass for political matters.
if they determine who you like or dislike, well then that is your burden not mine.
for how many years has blimpbaugh the druggie, been slinging crap all over the airwaves?
way before clinton took office was this obese man sliming up the airwaves towards
who he hated so don't take no high road on this crap.
lots of entertainers make jokes in bad taste but they aren't making policy nor
do they determine who or whom i vote for.

get real akarmenia1


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

If a Mexican Citizen who is in this country illegally, give birth that child is automatically a US citizen. It doesn’t matter about the status of the parents. Get your facts straight.


DucksInDenver
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

It looks like you haven't read the article. Obama has shown his birth certificate – he even posted it on the Internet last year. Take a look:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.shared/image.h…

The people who think he doesn't have a birth certificate are so blinded by their racism and hatred, that they simply ignore the fact that Obama – certifiably and undeniably – has one. The state of Hawaii has already proven this beyond any reasonable doubt.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

That is a different circumstance than this. Either way, that “law” needs to be changed. Whoever put that in place is a fool.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

how many of these wingnut psychos would have or did vote for McCan't – you know, the guy who was PROVEN TO BE BORN IN PANAMA??????


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

Chuck how can you say with 100 percent certainty that he is no?


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

chuckj – please go down and read my comment below. No one can show a “real birth certificate” and for very good reason. They like to keep those things safe in the county clerk's office.

I can tell you this, however, if you ever got a passport or ran for office after 9/11/2001, you were subjected to amazingly stringent background checks. And given that it was the Bush Administration who would have handled those background checks – something tells me that they would have flagged Obama, if there had been a problem.

Really…read a book sometime…stop reinforcing the stereotype.


wayouthere
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

The Republicans just can't accept that the great majority of Americans just don't want them in charge. They have an accurate memory of what 8 years of Bush and the Republicans have done to their lives and to their standard of living. Personally, I believe both parties have overstayed their welcome. But the Republicans have been a bit more overbearing therefore they should go away first.


SodamY
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

HE DID SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE YOU #^%%#$ MORON. DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE YOU NEO-CONFEDERATE SACK OF STUPID!


SodamY
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

HE DID SHOW HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE YOU #^%%#$ MORON. DID YOU ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE YOU NEO-CONFEDERATE SACK OF STUPID!


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

See, that is using logic and common sense. Youll realize soon that all the liberals here cant seem to understand that.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

See, that is using logic and common sense. Youll realize soon that all the liberals here cant seem to understand that.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

you are completely off the rails with any sense aka, republicans spent MILLIONS of taxpayer money investigating Clinton and trying to impeach him – NOT because they “cared” about maital fidelity, but because – as they have shown with an astounding clear light, that they are partisan witch hunters at their core.

SO, when those SAME rethuglicans who screamed for Clinton to resign over a marital infidelity are almost ALL shown to be committing marital infidelity, and bribing the mistress' families to shut up, etc etc OF COURSE it needs to be given AT LEAST the same amount of attention that Rethugs gave Clinton – that's just playing fair.

i know you can't handle that – you want Darth and Jr back in office so they can strip more rights away from citizens, allow more massive terror attacks to occur in the us (they were in charge of protecting us on 9/11 and they DID NOT) and all that dictatorial crap we suffered for 8 years.

sorry buddy, can fool all of the people some of the time, & some of the people all of the time, but not all of the people all of the time – oh yeah, you might want to teach Jr that phrase, since as the president and leader of the most powerful country in the world he couldn't even get through the first paranthetical phrase before screwing that up like he did this whole country.


DragonMama
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:36 am

Go get a NEW copy of your birth record from wherever you were born. It’ll look like Obama’s in most states. What he’s shared isn’t the original birth certificate, which would have the information you indicated, but a modern official document with verifiable security measures (such as special printing) that are less easily faked than the embossed stamp that they put on them back in the day. They also only include the information actually needed for legal documents such as passports, not all the extraneous but interesting stuff like the name of the doctor. The same thing happened with my Ohio birth record. I have an unofficial xerox of my original 1976 birth certificate, but I needed an official one a few years ago and went to get one. The one that I got from Cleveland City Hall looks a lot like Obama’s. Also, I have two children and their official state-issued ones look like the one Obama posted and the one I got as an official legal document – no mention of doctor, just date, time, my name and country of origin, father’s name and country of origin, city birth occurred, etc. Doesn’t even have birth weight from what I remember, only maybe 10 data points. However, both births I had a LOT more paperwork than that to fill out for them and I know more was submitted – you just have to request it apparently, it’s no longer on the legal document.

I seriously encourage all the Birthers to go get a new official copy of their birth records before they make total fools of themselves, so they can see what has changed since whenever the copies they’re used to seeing were issued. Some of this WILL vary by state and juristiction, but Obama’s birth certification is pretty typical of what’s being issued these days. I’m pretty sure he went and asked for a NEW printing of it from the official sources specifically to try to preempt the “it’s a forgery” stuff that the 1960s original would have suffered (since an older document would have been easier to fake, whereas the one he produced, the person who handled stuffing it in an envelope is probably still working there and can verify it’s authenticity).

Seriously. It’s OVER. You’re just making yourself like Tin Hat Fashionistas.


americanteacher
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Interesting… all the rethuglicans who are clamoring for Obama's birth certificate didn't show any concern over the missing documentation proving George W. Bush actually showed up to finish his service in the National Guard. All those unanswered questions, with no real proof. No one could claim they saw him on duty, no documentation ever presented. In this case – there IS documentation.


birfers'r'dumb
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:37 am

In case you missed it, 24Ahead has refused to confirm the shape of the earth. He’s only seen pictures, and the earth won’t answer his calls.


joike
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

GOP and right wingers, please spend as much time and energy on this ridiculous subject as you want. While the rest of us are trying to address issues like global climate change, social justice, energy independence and universal health care, you can fritter away your time chasing shadows.

The idea that Obama conspired from an early age to hide his place of birth in the hopes that he would one day be President is absurd on its face.

It's a fund raising ploy used to soak up money from the dim and the angry (an upcoming soap opera on Fox).

If you want to hang on to your irrational anger, do not click on this link. Warning!!!

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Knock yourselves out. At least this will keep the yahoos busy for a while.


sinking
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

Uh, chuckj. I was born in Columbus, Ohio and the certified copy of my birth certificate that was accepted to provide my passport, says across the top “Certificate of Live Birth”. No person that has a birth certificate on file can get the original. What does yours say?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Oh, one more thing. To get my children in school, I had to show thier birth certificate to. Now did he show the Barry or Obama, or can I call it DUAL CITIZEN? OOOPS!


flray
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Maj. Stefan F. Cook is a coward as is Hannity and Rush. In all faIrness Hannity could not get in to the service because of his mental condition and Rush dodged the draft and is now a drug addict.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

I am not certain if he is or isnt. But after reading a little bit about it, it just makes sense to me perhaps to end all this, he should just show the long birth certificate. The real thing. Then all this stuff ends.
The only reason I began to question it was because for a year now, he has refused to do the simple, easy task of showing it. Now we have some military personnel who want to know if their Commander in Chief is legal. I think it's time he just show it and get it over with.


Roko1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

I havent seen McCain's birth certificate either, but it does not suggest that he does not have one. What it means is that I have not made the effort to the county of birth to verify. In other words, I am lazy and would like someone else to do the work for me.


Roko1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

I havent seen McCain's birth certificate either, but it does not suggest that he does not have one. What it means is that I have not made the effort to the county of birth to verify. In other words, I am lazy and would like someone else to do the work for me.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

oh come now, your argumentation shows plainly you were home schooled – so i guess your “college professors” were showing you sesame street and those were the ones that were “smart” to you
Seriously, Jesus did not advocate MURDER and BOMBING and KILLING Dr's – like your group does – so you are, by definition, a complete hypocrit


SodamY
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

Yo rip on republican closet hero Fred Phelps, god hates facts and fact enablers.


DaleR
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

Here is proof that Obama has a published birth cert and that it is not a forgery: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…

Here is proof that Obama is a US Citizen by definition:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Not that the facts matter. There are many bright republicans. After reading the comments on this board I'd state as fact that those intelligent republicans are not posting here.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

Busted!

I just called Janice Okubo (the spokeswoman in the article), and she refused to confirm the impression that Weigel is trying to give.

If you trust Weigel's reporting, see the link.


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

I really do have to hand it to the Republicans, though – they manage to convince their base that Obama isn't a natural-born citizen, that their taxes are going up, that they should be afraid of the illegal immigrants next door…and the base eats it up like coney island hotdogs on July 4.

The things you should be outraged at – lack of manufacturing jobs in the US, our economy in shambles after deregulation of the financial industry, lack of health insurance, lack of healthy and affordable food choices…the base doesn't even care about or blames on someone who has been in office 6 months as opposed to 8 years.

Seriously, read a book sometime.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

No Maj. Stefan is not a coward. He has the same question all the birthers have. I would do the same thing. So can all of our military. Oh my, then would he show and tell?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

No one who is legitimately interested in the truth has ANY doubt that President Obama is perfectly eligible to be President.

He DID produce the stupid birth certificate. The news media covered it. Factcheck.org covered it. Snopes.com covered it. Even freakin' World News Daily covered it. ALL of them say there is no controversy.

“If some believe he should have to show it, that is their right.” What? Do you have any notion of what a legal right is? Here's a hint. It has nothing to do with what you believe. President Obama HAS shown his birth certificate to the public, but he has never HAD to do so. And someone else's “belief” to the contrary doesn't mean anything.

For example, it is my “belief” that former President George Bush should have to sit before Congress and testify under oath about every single thing he has done wrong that we do not yet know about, to save us the hassle of looking under all the rocks to see what's hiding under each one. Does my belief have ANYTHING to do with a “right” to make the President do that? Of course not. But then I know what legal rights are and you do not. And more to the point, I care about the truth and you do not.

Do us all a favor. When the subject is something as ludicrous as birthers, just don't post anything. It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak up and remove all doubt.


Claudia
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

When is this BULLSHIT going to end? These people can not accept the fact that a person not of their pedigree is the President of the United States. They can not accept the fact that they are no longer in charge. They refuse to work with the President and want NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM and will find ANY ridiculous nonsense to fight him with. They would prefer to live a delusional existence instead of acknowledging the TRUE facts that are readily available.

Obama was in a campaign for TWO YEARS!!! You are waiting TWO YEARS TO BRING THIS CR@P UP? If you hated this man so much, why didn't you DISprove his citizenship TWO YEARS AGO! WHY NOW?

Those who refuse to accept the Presidents' legitimacy of citizenship are disgraceful human beings, disprectful to the position and to the man, and are on the verge of starting a civil unrest through their UGLY, SPITEFULE, HATEFUL BIGOTRY!

If you don't post this, I'll know why.


icemonkey
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

Hey, in a country where you have creationist museums and a sizeable minority ( or is it now a small majority) of citizens who believe the earth is only 6,000 years old and that humans have always looked the way they look today, and that they coexisted with dinosaurs to boot, (not to mention that you could probably find a number of people who still believe the sun revolves around the earth), is this kind of nonsense really all that surprising??


cheryllm
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

To Name and Chuckj. He did show it and you all still don't believe it. Who do you people think you are that he has to prove anything to. I am sure the CIA or FBI knows the truth. You all are so funny to me. About the law. It does not matter that his mom was born in the US. Hawaii is part of the US! Obama was born there. I suggest that since having a black president bothers so many of you. GO BACK TO WHERE YOU CAME FROM!!!


Peace4Universe
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

PLEASE, Republicans, the election is over! It is time to be gracious losers and give YOUR new President a chance to lead us out of the mess the last President brought on. Ouch, I know it must hurt to hear this… The new President needs YOUR support, not a party of “no,” if we are to be a strong nation again. The sad realization is that those who believe in such trash will not change their mind by reading my comment. Those who believe that Pres. Obama was not born here because he hasn't shown his “original” birth certificate are fools. All he can produce is a certification copy. You try getting an original for yourself! The original is filed securely, not to be filed in your $10 Office Depot filing box! Shall we doubt your citizenship because you can't show us your original certification of your birth? Maybe you shouldn't have voted? This is crazy making, birthers. Let's focus on economy, healthcare and education, not this trash. I repeat — The President needs your positive support!


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

Again, that is a certificate of live birth. Not a birth certificate.

The law suits are not going away. They will continue. All he has to do is show his birth certificate and all this stuff ends. Why is that so hard?


lmt5501
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

You see the problem here is not that Democrats believe Obama is the Messiah. The problem here is most Republicans believe that he is, and it's scaring the daylights out of most of them. I wonder why? He's not interested in overthrowing the government, or hurting a soul. It's these crazy non-thinking reactionaries who hate this man because he is different from them in skin color, and obviously in heart and soul. They should be afraid of the ones who are spewing the poison over the conservative AM airwaves because these millionaires could care less about their so called constituents.


Benjamin
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

@LawGirl, hear hear. The parade of constant, absurd xenophobia may play well with the hardcore Republican base, but totally alienate most Americans — as do the repeated acts of moral hypocrisy of the “upcoming stars” of the GOP.


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

You are wrong. You will never be able to get your actual birth certificate or your kids'. You got a certified copy. Not only that – but many citizens prove their birth by using the family bible. Can you imagine if the Obama family did that…

Oh, the richness that would ensue.


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

Chuck for the purposes of the discussion please provide proof your birth in the United States. Hopefully it will be believable.


judith
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Some on the political right and among lobbyists long have utilized the concept that if you just repeat something often enough as if it were fact, many relatively unintelligent people will come to accept it AS fact, even in the face of evidence to the contrary. You can pull people around that way and herd them like sheep. I think the phenomenon is enhanced if the targeted non-thinkers HOPE the floated notion IS fact. We've seen this kind of infuriating ploy used numerous times in recent decades in attempts to herd our thought and votes. It incites and feeds on hatreds, fears and prejudices. It's made ever more effective by vastly improved communications that allow those lacking proper ethics to spread and repeat rumors – such as the notion that Obama is not a U.S. citizen – and to keep them going even after they have been debunked. The best way for people to inoculate themselves individually against such deliberate attempts to poison rational thought is to be aware the phenomenon exists and to be able to detect it when it is used. Better education with improved emphasis on critical thinking skills is the long-term antidote.


kimk
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

This is so stupid. When the question of Obama's birth certificate came out before the elections, I was able to see the certificate for myself just by googling it. If I could see it online, so could everyone else. If the Director of the Hawaiian Health Department says it is the REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE and its verified before being issued, then who are these right wing nut jobs to question it? Do they work in that department? NO.The rethugliCONZ are only wanting to make more smokescreen to hide their hidden agendas ooh say like HIPOCRI-CSTREET. Mhmm.


kimk
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

This is so stupid. When the question of Obama's birth certificate came out before the elections, I was able to see the certificate for myself just by googling it. If I could see it online, so could everyone else. If the Director of the Hawaiian Health Department says it is the REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE and its verified before being issued, then who are these right wing nut jobs to question it? Do they work in that department? NO.The rethugliCONZ are only wanting to make more smokescreen to hide their hidden agendas ooh say like HIPOCRI-CSTREET. Mhmm.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Chuck, the problem intelligent people (not just liberals) have with this idiotic posturing is that Obama HAS PROVIDED sufficient proof. It's not that “some people believe he should have to show it” — it's that it's been shown, and conspiracy theorists continue to defy the facts, like a bunch of little right-wing Fox Mulders.

What I, however, don't understand is how these birthers can lambaste the president and “liberals [who] are 100% certain Obama is a born citizen” while decrying the same “liberals” for simply asking questions about Trig Palin's birth. The difference between the two is that President Obama provided the evidence when asked, while former Governor Palin didn't. I'm not saying or insinuating that Trig isn't her baby, or wasn't born in exactly the way she described, or anything of the sort; frankly, I don't care. However, it seems rather odd to me that concrete evidence is not enough for a Democrat, but a complete and utter lack of evidence is more than enough for a Republican.

And I don't have any hate, dude. Isn't it conservatives who always accuse liberals of being tree-hugging hippies? And aren't hippies supposed to be all about peace and love? Heh.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Chuck, the problem intelligent people (not just liberals) have with this idiotic posturing is that Obama HAS PROVIDED sufficient proof. It's not that “some people believe he should have to show it” — it's that it's been shown, and conspiracy theorists continue to defy the facts, like a bunch of little right-wing Fox Mulders.

What I, however, don't understand is how these birthers can lambaste the president and “liberals [who] are 100% certain Obama is a born citizen” while decrying the same “liberals” for simply asking questions about Trig Palin's birth. The difference between the two is that President Obama provided the evidence when asked, while former Governor Palin didn't. I'm not saying or insinuating that Trig isn't her baby, or wasn't born in exactly the way she described, or anything of the sort; frankly, I don't care. However, it seems rather odd to me that concrete evidence is not enough for a Democrat, but a complete and utter lack of evidence is more than enough for a Republican.

And I don't have any hate, dude. Isn't it conservatives who always accuse liberals of being tree-hugging hippies? And aren't hippies supposed to be all about peace and love? Heh.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Chuck, the problem intelligent people (not just liberals) have with this idiotic posturing is that Obama HAS PROVIDED sufficient proof. It's not that “some people believe he should have to show it” — it's that it's been shown, and conspiracy theorists continue to defy the facts, like a bunch of little right-wing Fox Mulders.

What I, however, don't understand is how these birthers can lambaste the president and “liberals [who] are 100% certain Obama is a born citizen” while decrying the same “liberals” for simply asking questions about Trig Palin's birth. The difference between the two is that President Obama provided the evidence when asked, while former Governor Palin didn't. I'm not saying or insinuating that Trig isn't her baby, or wasn't born in exactly the way she described, or anything of the sort; frankly, I don't care. However, it seems rather odd to me that concrete evidence is not enough for a Democrat, but a complete and utter lack of evidence is more than enough for a Republican.

And I don't have any hate, dude. Isn't it conservatives who always accuse liberals of being tree-hugging hippies? And aren't hippies supposed to be all about peace and love? Heh.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Do you often insult the Founding Fathers, chuck? Because, you know, that rule has been around since the United States has been around.

Oh, and before I forget, the Founding Fathers were all white. Every last one. Even Thomas Jefferson. He dipped his pen in the plantation ink, but he was white. So, therefore, using Republican reasoning, everything they did is good and nothing they did is bad.

So get over yourself. If you don't like America there are 190 other countries that will take your tax money. Don't forget to write us when you get there.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Do you often insult the Founding Fathers, chuck? Because, you know, that rule has been around since the United States has been around.

Oh, and before I forget, the Founding Fathers were all white. Every last one. Even Thomas Jefferson. He dipped his pen in the plantation ink, but he was white. So, therefore, using Republican reasoning, everything they did is good and nothing they did is bad.

So get over yourself. If you don't like America there are 190 other countries that will take your tax money. Don't forget to write us when you get there.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Do you often insult the Founding Fathers, chuck? Because, you know, that rule has been around since the United States has been around.

Oh, and before I forget, the Founding Fathers were all white. Every last one. Even Thomas Jefferson. He dipped his pen in the plantation ink, but he was white. So, therefore, using Republican reasoning, everything they did is good and nothing they did is bad.

So get over yourself. If you don't like America there are 190 other countries that will take your tax money. Don't forget to write us when you get there.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

Do you often insult the Founding Fathers, chuck? Because, you know, that rule has been around since the United States has been around.

Oh, and before I forget, the Founding Fathers were all white. Every last one. Even Thomas Jefferson. He dipped his pen in the plantation ink, but he was white. So, therefore, using Republican reasoning, everything they did is good and nothing they did is bad.

So get over yourself. If you don't like America there are 190 other countries that will take your tax money. Don't forget to write us when you get there.


Eyepublius
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Just an observation, but the birth certificate shows B. H. OBAMA, II… and his father as just B. H. OBAMA.

Shouldn't he have been Jr and not the Second (II) – second (II) would mean the name goes from father, jumps his son, and the Grandson of his son is named B. H. OBAMA, II.

Am I right or wrong? I believe I am correct.


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Wher did Chuck go. I guess he out looking for his real Birth Cert.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:47 pm

Okay, can you please tell me exactly what evidence you have that the president was born in Kenya? President Obama was born in Hawaii; he has provided evidence of this. Can you provide evidence to the contrary, including evidence showing that what exists in Hawaii is a fake?

You accuse the president of lying about where he was born, and yet you provide no evidence to support your claims. This is not “logic and common sense,” as Chuck below asserts; this is just the paranoid delusion of partisanship of the worst kind.


swat68
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

You are incorrect; the II mean just that — he is the second person with the name, if he had a son, he would be B.H. Obama III. The name does not have to skip in order to be II. Junior or II are both interchangeable and acceptable.


joebob30
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

No, you have a coward who tried to use the military to prove an agenda, specifically volunteering for duty after Obama was sworn in by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court (they must be in on it too), but then deciding to make an issue of it…he volunteered to go in May, 2009, he wasn't requested…But his dishonorable discharge will be worth it, maybe someone will be nice enough to show him the way to a VA hospital so he can get his meds, you can follow him


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

ugh, this is why you need actual degrees from established universities before you show the grade schoolers laws.

here is your MASSIVE mistake – that quoted requirement is for U.S. Citizens that become U.S. Citizens after having moved here from ANOTHER COUNTRY –

if the parent is a U.S. Citizen from birth, born in this country like O's mom was, then that requirement does NOT apply.

but if you want to carry water for it fine – let's deport every and all people born to parents in the US that were under the age of 26 – because in your little mind they are not U.S Citizens so they must be illegal aliens –

and let's start with Trigg Palin … his parents were both under 18 when he was born so get his illegal alien ass out of the country, right? birthers, here is your next cause!!! DEPORT TRIGG PALIN!

see – following retardlican logic will get you into trouble …


joebob30
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

actually, we all know McCain wasn't born here, he was born in Panama…Congress passed a law regarding it that made him eligible


thornecompton
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

What is the difference between a birth certificate and a certificate of birth?


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

i hope you and all birfers are donating like mad to all the folks like Phil Berg and Orly Taitz that are fighting this out in court! they need your money, all of it, to save America!


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

With all the crap these “Birthers” are spewing there're more like “AfterrBirthers”


grf67
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

How long does the country have to endure this band of republican racists? A few more elections and they will be a distinct minority without the votes to do anything but whine.


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Former Maj. Stefan was a reservist who volunteered to go to Afghanistan just so he would have standing to sue the US Government by claiming that the Commander in Chief isn't legit.

He's an embarrassment to every man and woman who is currently serving in the military, not to mention the ones who served and died on foreign soil.

There were PLENTY of progressive soldiers who could have challenged Bush as our legitimate CoC from 2000 to 2004 because of what the Supreme Court did. Did they? No.

You call him a patriot. I call it treasonous and cowardice. We agree to disagree.


rebopine
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Um, I checked my Birth Certificate, I was born in Washington State and am a legal citizen of the USA capable of running for and service as the President of the United States of America.

And guess what? Mine says “Certificate of Live Birth”, not “Birth Certificate”, does this make me an illegal alien?


swat68
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

The was a political move by the Major who is a Reservist. He volunteered to for active duty service in April (after Obama was sworn in); he then received his orders in June and then filed his lawsuit in July. This was done to make a political statement on the behalf of the Major and other “birthers”. The Major should be ashamed of himself for using the U.S. Army in this way. He should be court marshalled.


tkdcal
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

>> You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. <<

Ok, so why let this issue continue to fester? If the state of Hawaii in fact verifed the facts, then why not just show everyone and be done with it? Why not hold the facts up to the light of day and demonstrate what a bunch of kooks the conspiracy theorists are?

Frankly, I have no dog in the fight. I think the requirement to be a natural born citizen is a crock, an anachronism from the time of the revolution.

It does seem odd though, don't you think, why hide when there is nothing to hide?


smidget
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

“What I dont understand, if you liberals are 100 percent certain Obama is a born citizen and you dont have a problem with him not showing his Birth Certificate, why are you here complaining?”

Because he HAS shown his birth certificate. The complaint is with morons like you who refuse to accept any level of evidence. No matter how many times the evidence is presented, it won't be good enough.

As for “spewing your typical garbage”…..how dare you accuse others of spewing garbage when you're too stupid to read a g0damn birth certificate and accept that there is no giant, multi-country and multi-state conspiracy that would be required to fake it. The level of idiocy here is astonishing.

The sad thing is, I generally refrain from insulting people by calling them idiots, morons, or stupid, but there is literally no other way to describe birthers. It's amazing you people are capable of tying your own shoes….although that's a huge assumption on my part, I'll admit. I would not be at all surprised to down look at your feet and see velcro.


Donald
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

No!

Your are death wrong. Maj Stefan is a RACIST and a COWARD. The order to deploy comes from his military leadership. His military leadership eventually gets its order from the branch Sec. The Branch Sec gets direction from the Sec. of Defense. The Sec. of Defense get his objectives from the President. The President does not order any military member. He establishes his intent after consulting with his national defense support staff. Each military branch leader determines which unit goes where, when, and for how long. Therefore, Maj “RACIST/COWARD” Stefan is failing to follow lawful orders established by his commanders.

I hope they put his A$$ away for many years.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

All you liberals, read this:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104163

Again, Congress held hearings for McCain to determain his eligibility, why are they giving Obama a pass?


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

I have proof that President Obama isn't a citizen. He was born in Nigeria. I can send anyone the ORGINAL birth certificate but the transaction requires maxiimum confidence. I'm getting it from a top offical of the federal government of Nigeria. I'm solicating your help because the documents are in the possession of the last military regime. Please note that the transaction is 100% safe.
Yours Faithfully,
Dr. Clement Okon


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

You are right on the name of the second or third. I named my son after his Father as JR. Then the Father comes in as SR. The son will or could name his son the first and is carried on from the second and so on. SR, then JR, then first, second and so on.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

i am not angry, i am laughing at you.


Keith
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

14th Amendment, Section 1. “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.” No requirement regarding standing of the mother or any other prerequisite. The alleged collusion that is being advocated here regarding hiding or distortion/fraud of birth certificates is laughable on multiple levels. How is it possible that so many, of both parties, would have allowed this alleged miscarriage to have continued from the moment Obama announced his candidacy all the way through the electoral process? Frivolous lawsuits and pundit pronouncements notwithstanding, the current President was elected legally and as citizens, deserves our support.


albert14151
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

“You bet I’d sign it,” said Brodgon. “I know I’d have no problem showing my birth certificate.”

Yeah, but it's a forgery.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

Ok on proof of certificate??? Put it on the net for FREE???


smidget
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

The “fool” who determined that people born on American soil are citizens regardless of the citizenship status of their parents are the same “fools” who wrote the US Constitution.

I'm truely shocked at your incredibly low level of intelligence. How did you even figure out how to post a comment to this site? I can't imagine that you're actually capable of using a mouse and keyboard, what with only two brain cells functioning. You're truely a marvel.


notsonuts
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

Typical Republican. Calls the Founding Fathers fools because he is too big of a fool to know the origin of the “law” he is bashing. It is in the Constitution you ungenius.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

You're right; we do not have evidence that Maj. Stefan is a coward. He is, however, a conspiracy-theorist, a fringe lunatic, and completely unpatriotic for his comments regarding the sitting president of the United States. If someone — anyone — had refused to go to war under President Bush, that person would have been figuratively, if not literally, killed by the right.

Our military personnel have the right to disobey orders, and the military has the right to try them and/or dismiss them. Maj. Stefan will never actually serve this country. You know why? Because he is a threat to unit cohesion. If he doesn't like the president, he can claim anything. That is a threat to every other person in a unit with him. Therefore, he is an unreliable soldier, and an unreliable soldier isn't really a soldier at all.

If you would do the same thing, dude, then why don't you? Please. Sign up for the military, and then refuse your deployment orders. See what happens. I dare ya.


DaleR
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Hey Chuckj and the rest of the 'Obama is not a citizen' crowd:

The certificate of live birth proves that Obama was born in the United States. He meets all requirements of a US Citizen. You and others like you continue to argue this irrelevant position. Obama is a US Citizen, therefore qualifies to run for President of the US and as result qualifies to handily defeat the nonviable republican candidate and the unqualified vp nominee.

I assume you will respond to this and other post with additional repetitive posts about Live Birth Cert vs Birth Cert but the fact is you are arguing a position that has no relevancy to proving Obama's US Citizenship or lack thereof.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Hey, check any of the number of links posted here. Or Google it. Go on, check it out. Or are you just here to whine and complain because you didn't get your way in the election?

Lordy, you're worse than the Dems who attacked the Supreme Court for Bush v. Gore. This isn't a conspiracy!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

Chuck, you're a troll. You're starting to annoy me. You don't have any interest in truth. So I write this not to refute your points but to educate anyone who might be unlucky enough to read your drivel without context.

You KNOW that no government agency will send out an ORIGINAL birth certificate. Go to your safe deposit box and look at yours. I bet you my mortgage that it is a certified copy. You can inspect the original on site, but you cannot take it away, for obvious reasons. You can get a certified copy, or go inspect the original.

You also know that this has been DONE. Every angle has been explored. The original has been inspected. Just look here: http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

You also know that there are no military personnel who actually doubt whether President Obama is their legitimate commander in chief. The fact that our heroic men and women are following his orders in ACTUAL COMBAT overseas tells you that. That moron ex-Major Fox or whatever his name is was just pulling a political stunt. He VOLUNTEERED to serve in Afghanistan. He did not need to sue to get out of going, a month later. He is allowed to change his mind, since he's a volunteer. So that's that. No need for a lawsuit. Unless you're a wingnut trying to stir up other wingnuts. His lawyer already filed and LOST several such frivolous lawsuits.

Now go wash out your mouth. You've told enough lies for one day.


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Jimpa, are you tha same guy that say I'll send you money and you cash the check and send me back $$. What a scam. Nice try.


kimk
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Em the only people hiding are the ones who believe this Rehashed swill feed to them from the Repub rumor mill tough. They are hiding from using their BRAINS to view fact from fiction. The fact is Obama is a U.S. citizen. There is no way he would have been given oath of office if that was not the case. The issue of his Birth Certificate was settled over 6 months ago. I guess some people just like the taste of regurgitated bunk.


blvr
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

These guys need to either read the U.S. Constitution, or get another job! Anyone born in the U. S. (and Hawaii is part of the U. S.) or who is born of a parent of U. S. citizenship (and the President's mother was a U. S. citizen), is a U. S. citizen. Period.


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

President George W Bush was born in Canada. I ask someone to prove me wrong. I need to see the orginal birth certificate and not some forgery.


suzyku
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Will these idiots ever stop this nonsense?! They are apparently desperate and don't seem to realize how very very stupid they look and sound.


mikeG56
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Chuck has left the building. Chase them away with logic.


bdog1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

The rabid right wingers and birthers love the attention.
Kinda like your 2 yr old.
Election's over, you lost, he's in, he's black, you can't get over.
If Hillary had won, the'yd have a CT out about her.
Lie and smear, that's what the G-No-P do best.
And they call Dems evil—-look in the mirror I say.

Cook–a traitor and should be court-martialed.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Ha!


Susan Sherman
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

This is just the craziest thing I have ever heard of. Don't these people have anything better to do. Go out and do something useful. I am so sick of this b—s—. Get behind a project that could help someone in need. What a bunch of immature grownups. What is going on in this country that we can't get behind our president whether we voted for him or not. Do something for the betterment of this country and stop the damn whinning. Grow the f— up already.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Because John McCain was born on a military base in a foreign country, and Barack Obama was born in one of the fifty states. Not hard.


rebopine
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Here are the REAL facts, not the far-reaching rhetoric being spewed:

“The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth (original birth certificate) and Certifications of Live Birth because they are official government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information which is useful for genealogical purposes as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth. Although original birth certificates (Certificates of Live Birth) are preferred for their greater detail, the State Department of Health (DOH) no longer issues Certificates of Live Birth. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth”


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

You didn't get your 21, 320,000.00? Much sorry. i will look into that.


conanoharrow
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

Politicians who waste their constituent’s time & money on this issue should be voted out of office.


Billy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

kwiley9711:

“Ok on proof of certificate??? Put it on the net for FREE???”

It's been there for more than a year, cracker. “Buh-buh-buh it's a fake/forgery/etc.” Yeah sure cracker.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

What's next? Are the wingnuts going to argue that President Obama is not the legitimate President because voters in the voting booth confused his name with that of his opponent? Their names are very similar. Well, they're actually nothing at all alike, but you know what? THAT kind of conspiracy theory is actually A LOT MORE LIKELY to be true than any of the crap you birthers have come up with thus far.

And that's only because there's a 1 in 20 quintillion chance that you'd be right about the candidate confusion thing. But there's absolutely no chance that President Obama is Constitutionally ineligible to be elected.

Keep trying; we Democrats need more free advertisements for our party.


blvr
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

Since McCain was born in a U. S. Territory (Canal Zone) and his parents were U. S. citizens, he was a U. S. on both counts. Just another example of Congress wasting time and money.


Aaron
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Yeah, there is some question of whether he is eligable to be president based on his birth location, fortunately having a US citizen for a parent makes you a natural citizen, so being born in Panama isn't an issue-oh wait, are we talking about how McCain wasn't born in the US?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

I think they should be asked why they hate America. “Libruls” were attacked just for disagreeing with President Bush. This is out-and-out saying that Barack Obama's presidency is illegitimate.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

Well said.


notsonuts
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

My birth certificate says across the top “Certificate of Live Birth”. It is a copy that I have used to obtain a passport and establish residency in two foreign countries. I called the nice people at my state's Vital Statistics office and politely requested if I could get ahold of my “vault original” birth certificate. Apparently “vault original” is a made up phrase because they did not know what I was talking about. After I pushed a little bit they politely informed me that I was asking a nutty question and to please stop calling.
CIA, Secret Service, FBI, State Department and the State of Hawaii step aside! Orly Taitz to the rescue!
Repubs, please keep up your bizarre show. You are showing the world that you accept fantasy instead of truth, lies instead of veracity and conspiracy instead of logic.
I know if I were in your position I would believe the conspiracies too. It is much easier to believe in a massive, leak-proof, decades long conspiracy to elect Barack Obama president than to believe that white people in your country would turn out in droves to vote for a black guy right?


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

Wrong. The law states:

If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of ones birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.

O's mother doesn't pass this test as she was 18 when he was born. Thanks for playing.


truthbetold111
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

All these conspiracy theorists should be lined up against a wall and sh*t. They are un-American, immoral and frankly should leave the country-forcibly.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

Just do me this favor, jimpa. Put a third of whatever money the birthers give you into a pot for reelecting President Obama.

Put another third into an envelope and mail it to the IRS with a letter explaining that you know some concerned citizens who wanted to reduce the impact of the federal bailouts.

You can keep the final third as a finder's fee for a job well done.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Wrong. The laws says

If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of ones birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16.

O's father is not a citizen and O's mother was only 18 so she fails that test.

McCain's parents were both U.S. citizens. Thanks for playing.


Tyke
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

“why not just show everyone and be done with it? “

They have, and it has been independently verified.

Maybe the Birthers' tinfoil hats are on so tight their eyes have been pulled shut?

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcerti…


tdpubs
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

How do these folks accept the fact that John Sidney McCain was born in Panama and not on U.S. soil without blinking but Barack Hussein Obama who was born in Hawaii is questioned even when proof of birth is offered? I don't think this has anything to do with logic or facts.


Jill
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

I didn't have to read past the word “Kansas” to know what kind of nut job we're dealing with.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

If you're a 4th grader.


smidget
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Accept he was born in the US.

Thanks for proving people who believe this garbage are complete morons.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

Please stop making up nonsense.


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

;)


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

You know who wasn't born in the United States? George Washington.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

All O has to do is make the call and tell the officials in Hawaii to provide a certified copy. Just one little call and everyone shuts up. What's he hiding.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

In case you missed it, I just called Weigel's quote source, and she refused to confirm the impression that Weigel is trying to give.


dirowe
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

These people can't believe we have a black president. They are losing what's left of their minds.


muggsy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Hey dufus, go to factcheck.org, hardly a left wing site, and see not only the birth certificate, but their testimony of having seen, handled and photographed it. Conclusion: Born in the USA. Ignorance is bliss.


shirleywikander
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

Desperate people will do anything, true or false, to further their cause. It only proves that either people have too much time on their hands or, like sheep being led to slaughter, they will “follow the leader.” Pitiful, but true.


smidget
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

My god, even the people on the right side of the argument are too ignorant to argue the point properly. Let me say this as politely as possible:

THEY PUBLISHED THE DAMN BIRTH CERTIFICATE. PROOF GIVEN. NOW SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!


Tyke
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

That one has been debunked and re-debunked.

How about you give an honest to goodness leagl citation for that “law”.

… and no, right wings blogs are not legitimate citations. You need to link to the actual, nonexistent, statute.


muggsy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

good one.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

What sucks is that for a lot of people, it still boils down to race and “other”-ness. Oh, they'll deny it, for certain, citing Alan Keyes' support for an investigation as proof, or talking about their black or Latino or Asian friend, or some other crap like that. But I seriously doubt we'd be having this conversation even if Sec. Clinton had been elected, because even though she's not who they'd want, at least she looks like them. No, they'd find some other reason why Hillary was illegitimate.

Look, people need to cut the crap and start having a little more respect for the office. Nobody's asking y'all to respect Barack Obama the man, just as no one can make me respect George W. Bush as a man. But you know something? George W. Bush was my president, and Barack Obama is my president. He's yours too. You may not like him, but you should, as an American citizen, at least respect the office.


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Why do the birthers jump on the nonsense that president Obama wasn't born in the USA but won't bite on president George W Bush was born in Canada? What could the difference be??


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Oh, and although you say “the law states” you do not bother to cite any law. I am a lawyer, but you wouldn't need to be one to see that you're completely full of sh*t.

More to the point, please explain how, under your bizarre made-up nonexistent law, ANY teenaged mother could satisfy that requirement? Women can have babies at 16, you know.

So if you are claiming a sixteen year old American woman would have to reside in the US a further 5 years before any of her kids count as citizens, I would say that you shouldn't waste your time on this birth certificate stuff. You're better off just sleeping until it's time to give you your next dosage.

Go away.


Susan Sherman
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

It's already on there – da — has been for quite some time


Jeff West
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

This is how the Republican Party will continue to diminish its once-proud standing, with its most ignorant members grabbing all the headlines by running around in circles chasing imaginary grails.
They, along with the “family values” candidates who clearly have no family values of their own, are making the word “Republican” synonymous with “fool”.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:16 am

If anyone is interested in the facts, as a reservist who volunteered to be deployed to Afghanistan, it was his choice to rescind that request. He did so, and that is why his deployment orders were canceled, not because of this crackpot “birther” nonsense. I think it’s hilarious that Cook works for a defense contractor, and by filing a lawsuit against the government, he cannot work on military bases. He has unwittingly fired himself. What a tool.


tdpubs
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

I think we found the person who knows the answer to the question “how many angels can dance on the head of a pin?” Please illuminate me sir. I await your answer.


Phoenix Justice
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

This is all reminiscent of the “Clinton Chronicles” that the Melon-Scaife groups flooded the “community access” airwaves with during the Clinton years. Its all meant to distract and call into question the credibility of a Democrat as President. I guess the fascist right doesn't care that Saint Ronny was a traitor to his country while president of the Screen Actors Guild, by turning in members of the guild to be black listed for being “communists”.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Wow. Well, I may have to re-think my earlier assertion that I am (or was) a “good American”. After reading all of this drivel today, I am totally convinced that it's all a lost cause. What a bunch of TV inspired SMARTA$$ES. American is done. At least 52% doomed. The monkey majority is now running the zoo. What made the US a great nation is gone. What has always been it's main weakness now is a dominant force. You're all (or at least 52%) brain-washed main-stream-media zombies. All you can see is your stupid little Demican/Republicrat world. You are all (DEMS and REPUBS) controlled by forces you can't see and don't understand. Just a bunch of stupid Goyim. You really don't deserve a country any more. Go ahead. Self destruct. Whatever. There's no way to fix it. You're fat. You're stupid. You're ugly. You're misbegotten and badly bred. You have no morals. You have no courage. You have no work ethic. Your kids can't read. And if they could, they'd read garbage. They don't know math. They don't know science. They know no real history. They only know how to dress like “gangsta” and talk jive. They are filled with “political correctness” though. Great. Fine. The end.

Rome took a couple of centuries to go from a world super power to a decadent, powerless, mish-mash shithole. We (or you rather) will accomplish the same feat in a couple of decades. I secede. I don't want anything to do with you mongrel, perverts. Just keep printing up that funny money and throwing it around like idiots. More national debt will only hasten the decline. You all deserve the lying, crooked and evil government you have allowed to be created here. And now you can just sink into the $hit with it. If you listen very closely, you can hear the Gods, and the rest of the world laughing. Disgusting monkeys.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

He was born in the Colony of Virginia. You know why he wasn't born, technically, in the United States? BECAUSE HE INVENTED THE DAMNED THING!

(Okay, that's a bit of an over-statement, but honestly, that's a ridiculous comment. George Washington was born in Virginia. Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. The end.)


Tyke
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

He has – the certified copy allowed by law is the one he has produced and put up on his website. It was independently reviewed and verified and the Governor of Hawaii, who is a Republican, has declared nit legit.

But I think the theory that he traveled back in time to put the birth announcement about him being born in Hawaii into their local newspaper at the time of his birth has real legs!


Phoenix Justice
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

They would have gone after any Democrat and especially Senator Clinton if she had been elected President.


tdpubs
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

I asked VP Richard Cheney the same question; “What are you hiding sir?”
Where were all you guys when we needed you after 911?
I say let's solve that mystery first then tackle the birth certificate conundrum.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

Well said. Respect the uniform.

Lord knows I did not respect George W. Bush but I always referred to him as the President, and I never questioned his right to represent us around the world. I was actually pleased that he went to the Olympics. I thought it was a good sign for the world that our President was there. If Obama had gone, the Republicans would just make insults about whether he's going to play for the Dream Team or waste taxpayers' money by flying Air Force One ALL THE WAY TO CHINA. And back!


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:20 pm

Why do you people keep lying and say he put his Birth Certificate up for all to see? He never did. He put up a Certificate of Live Birth. That is NOT a Birth Certificate. There is a difference.

Again, ALL HE HAS TO DO IS SHOW HIS ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND ALL THIS GOES AWAY!! Why are you fighting this Obama?


Doc3
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Actually you have missed the identity of the right wing whacko that started this. Here is an example but if you Google you will find the Hillary blogs filled with this as far back as December 2007:

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2008/04/11/clinton-oba…

Then there is the cleansing of Obama's passport file that was never covered in the press and I have heard that one of the individuals that was involved that was cooperating with the investigation was found shot to death in a car. You should also look at who owned the company of these employees and the connection to Obama:

http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2009/01/trut…

By the way, McCain did take steps to show he was a natural born citizen. Obama posted a photograph of a Certification of Live Birth to a pro-Obama website. Try applying for a passport or a Federal job and send them a photograph of your birth certificate posted on a website. Also, when did factcheck and these other organizations take over the vetting function of the Democratic party?

So David Weigel, you are a reporting here is a challenge for you. Go out and find a statement from either the Democratic National Committee or the Federal Election Committee that states that they have personally reviewed Obama's records and have deemed him to be a natural born citizen. Keep looking because it is conspicuous by its absence. All of the American People rely on the parties to vet their candidates that when the parties place the names on the ballot they have been fully vetted. Obama and his team found a loop hole in the election laws. Apparently there is no one responsible for this.

Look at the Hillary blogs from December 2007. The Democratic National Committee had months of notice on this issue and all that was done was Obama posting a photograph of a birth certificate to a website?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Please be sure to return your unemployment checks. Uncashed, of course.

Thanks.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

You know, every time you say “if he would just show his birth certificate then all this goes away,” it's just further evidence that you're full of shit.

No matter WHAT, you and the idiots who make your argument will just keep saying “nope, that's part of the conspiracy too.”

I usually try not to make ad hominem attacks. You deserve it. You're a completely worthless piece of shit. Go crawl back into the shithole you swam out of.


strangely_enough
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

“While “birthers” claim that the president’s lawyers have spent “hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars” fighting their lawsuits, they’ve never provided evidence for that claim.”
Nice. Some times the jokes just write themselves…


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

I still have my birth certificare that has a gold seal, my feet prints and my doctors name, place and county, and much more. I am not now young person and it was My Mother that gave me my oringnal birth certificate. I will carry this birth rights through out my life time. I did have to get a copy of it at one time in my life and it came back with out my gold seal but did have my feet prints and all the other goodies that come with the certificate. I just happen to be born here in the USA.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

I hate to sound like a hick, but if you don't like America, you're welcome to leave.

Was there a point to this rant? You go on and on but don't say a damned thing.

I am pretty certain I am not fat. Nor, I am reasonably certain, am I stupid. I might be ugly, but that's far more of a personal preference thing than a verifiable fact. I was born of two married parents, so I'm certainly not misbegotten; I'm of pretty hearty Irish stock, so I don't think I'm badly bred. I've got pretty good morals, and I try to have the courage to back them up, though I sometimes fail at this. I work very hard, a work ethic passed on to me by my immigrant father and his immigrant family. I have no kids, but if I did, I'm reasonably sure they'd be able to read, as I study English Literature; and what they'd read would, hopefully, be of artistic and literary value, preferably the works of Ken Kesey and James Joyce, but also of Jane Austen and Plato and Murakami. I'd also work with them to ensure that they'd know math and science. As for history, I'm not sure what “real history” means to you, but as I study metafiction, I'm certain we could have a debate on what “real history” actually is. And they sure as hell wouldn't “dress like 'gangsta,' though whether or not they “talk[ed] jive” would be up to them. So too would be their feelings on political correctness, though I would always encourage them to speak their minds.

Look, the next time you want to echo Alan Keyes, please post to your blog. But until then, stop bitching about America, get up off your ass, and do something to fix it. Volunteer in your community. Tutor an orphan. Learn a new language and volunteer to teach new legal immigrants English. Paint an elderly neighbor's fence without asking for pay. Assist a youth group. Become a teacher for the inner city. Do something, don't just say something.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

As for my childrens birth certificates they to have the same as mine. I had to have them when I registered them both in school as well as there shot records.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

“Try applying for a passport or a Federal job and send them a photograph of your birth certificate posted on a website.”

Hmmm. A passport, like the one President Obama has and used this month to travel abroad? A Federal job, like being U.S. Senator, which President Obama was? Or U.S. President, which he is? That's a Federal job.

Dumbass. Epic fail!


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Not really…the Colony of Virginia was a British Colony until after GW was born. Hawai'i was a part of the United States before President Obama was born.

My point is that the whole “where he was born” nonsense is just that – nonsense.


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

relax man! i know it's really frustrating swimming in a pool of idiots. but hey, this country is still half full of people who want it to improve. the only way we can get back on track is to vote out all corrupt politicians, identify trustworthy people to take their place, and endorse the crap out of them via internet. we have the means to make anyone famous for free: the net and youtube.

it can be done, as long as people, like yourself, who know the truth, don't give up. the people with a clue that know the elite has been manipulating us for years, must fight back and take our govt. we need to elect trustworthy, progressive people into congress every chance we get. we can do it! look for my comments at huffing ton post dot com


wineprincess
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

Thank you


drbpdc
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

NUTTBALLS
Nothing more than a bunch of right wing NUTTBALLS.
There are none worse than Hannity, Rush or World Net Daily.
They don't care about facts, they care about political rhetoric which divides… even if it's false.


birfers'r'dumb
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:28 am

Why should we believe anything you say, birfer-in-chief?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

The copy of obamas is out of the health department not a hospital


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Well. After your 'monkeys' and 'goyim' rant, I retract my retraction.

You're an asshole.


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

You know – I had a guy call in to my law office once who was convinced that the government was trying to take away his Vitamin D. I'm so glad to see you back!


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

Why are you all here? There's a Creation Museum just beckoning to your family…forget Disney World…celebrate ignorance! Go…fly, be free!


Kate
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Goodness sakes, SOMEONE got up on the wrong side of the bed. And isn't he cute when he's all feisty like that?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Freedom is not free


birfers'r'dumb
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:35 am

So, you don’t have audio then.

If that’s your game: I just spoke to the FBI, and they couldn’t confirm that 24AheadDotCom isn’t a pedophile.

If you dispute anything I’m saying, the burden of proof is on you. Otherwise, you’re just trying to throw up dust.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Chuck, what's the difference among the following? A Driver's License, a Driving License, and Motor Vehicle Operator’s Permit. The differences, sir, are the words used. Nothing more.

Once again, President Obama has provided evidence of his birthplace and his citizenship. Can you provide evidence of the contrary? The burden of proof, sir, is on the accuser.


1SGUSA
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

I for one cannot believe the lack of national security awareness that the Bush administration had in order to allow a non-resident to become President of the United States. There should be an investigation as to how this was allowed to happen and the entire Bush administration should be tried for allowing the greatest security breach in American history. Now turn off your AM radios and back away!


RoadScholar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

What a lot of folks don't understand is that THESE PROTOCOLS VARY BY STATE. Some keep the originals and provide photocopies of them. Others keep the originals, and for security reasons do not allow public access to them, and issue Certificates reiterating what the original says, which is embossed and witnessed; this is more secure than a photocopy. That's what Hawaii does. All require a foreign-born naturalized citizen's certificate to list place of birth. If Obama was born overseas, his certificate would say so.

Obama was born in Hawaii. Get over it.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

It's not worth being civil to people who refuse to see reason and instead hang on to their racism.

Tell me this…. If you really believed that the President was not legitimately eligible, then why do you believe the Republican party took NO action to keep him from being on the general election ballot? Why did Sarah Palin not say that he's not eligible to serve? She said he pals around with terrorists, so clearly she wasn't afraid of hurting anyone's delicate sensibilities.

Do you believe that the ENTIRE GOP just decided that they didn't really mind who's President, after all? Even a black guy named Barack Obama whose intelligence and utter cool factor puts them all to shame? The ENTIRE GOP somehow did not mind handing over the keys to the White House to a black guy when there was something realllllllly obvious they could have done to keep him out? (They could have sued, for example.)

John McCain called his own wife a cunt. Excuse me, his second wife. He divorced his first wife after she was in a car accident and became horribly disfigured. He was 72 years old and running for President for the last time. He hugged George W. Bush when he got the nomination. Bush is responsible for push polling in the 2000 South Carolina primary that slandered McCain's adopted Bangladeshi daughter as somehow being a black illegitimate child. McCain put up with THAT in order to run for office with Bush's blessing in 2008, but he somehow lacked the guts to say “Senator Obama, you weren't born here and haven't produced any evidence of that, and until you do, I do not consider you a legitimate opponent?” They did have 3 debates, you know.

So what was McCain waiting for? Jeff Sessions or Lindsay Graham to do it for him?

Your conspiracy theories suggest nothing factual. But to the extent they say anything, they say you should really fault THE ENTIRE REPUBLICAN PARTY for somehow failing to see what is so obvious to you. They just let the keys to White America slip through their fingers, right? The same people who fall all over themselves insulting Judge Sotomayor?

God, you'd have to be a dumbass or a very hateful person to keep saying what you say in light of ALL evidence to the contrary. At this point I'm willing to be charitable and say you're not hateful, just a dumbass.

But


maribelle
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Um…am I the only progressive Obama-supporter that thinks requiring candidates to submit eligibility requirements would be a GOOD thing? That it will stop all future “birther” movements in the future?

I was just looking up a job at the US Census. You are required to submit evidence of eligibility for the job (as with all federal jobs and most jobs.)

Why not with POTUS?


drbpdc
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

You are a nuttball pal
If you really believe this crap.. you need help


Billy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

Really?

Calling a black man “Mr. President” hurts that bad?


G_M
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

“I did not volunteer with the intent of becoming a conscientious objector,” Stefan F. Cook told TWI in an email.

No, but he did volunteer with the intent of remaining a coward.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

Well-put. I have a similar comment below. How in the world could the Republicans have fallen asleep at the switch? Not just a non-resident, but a BLACK coke-snorting MUSLIM with the name Barack HUSSEIN Obama somehow slipped through the cracks, right under their noses. Hundreds of GOP politicians somehow missed this fundamental issue, even though it was raised every day for six months.

When do the Congressional hearings start????


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

Actually, it's one of the basic human rights declared by Amnesty International and adopted by the United Nations. The first one, in fact. According to that, if you're human, you have the inherent right to be free.

This was also declared by a little thing called… hmm… The Declaration of Independence. Assuming, of course, that you believe liberty and freedom are roughly the same thing. Do you indeed hold the rights to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness as fundamental? If so, then freedom, that most basic of human rights, is free.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Take a second look at 1SGUSA's post, especially the last line.

Did you see the sarcasm this time? Good. It's ok. The seargeant is one of us.


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

hey, hey, give the guy a break. is frustration is understandable, because the ship has been driven by a crew of idiots far too long. it's ok, because he at least understands the true setup. i'll take a boatload of cranky guys like this, over the boatload of wingnuts that cry about obama being “the messiah”. gawd is that annoying.

anyway, peeps like yourself, and this other guy, who clearly wish the state of our union would improve significantly, need to stick together. we cannot fight amongst ourselves, because we need to save the rest of the lemmings from running themselves (and us) right off the cliff.

we must vote out all corrupt politicians, and identify trustworthy progressives to take their place. we can do this. we can take our govt. back. i know we hoped obama would be the guy, but apparently not. there's still too many sharks in the pool. it was a good first step to replace repubs with dems, now we replace dems with progressives.

hang in there brother! look for my smart-a remarx at huffington post dot com


freemanmike
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Awesome! While I'm against cynicism, how can one not be when all Americans can do is attack each other? While there are some HUGE generalizations in what you say, the essence is absolutely correct. I can't live in the States anymore because no one -ABSOLUTELY NO ONE can get their sh#t together! I've unfortunately become a nihilist -the sooner the US falls apart completely the better for the rest of the world. My biggest fear? China being the next world leader.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Bush was no angel either. I also felt strongly that both Mc Cain and Obama are not worthy for the house. Great choices. I wouldnt care what he or she looked like. I just wanted someone in office that knew what and how to run our country. To stop cheating many of us out of the money we make. The change I wanted was not to put my guns up. But to help the USA and to have a better life. I wanted change but not this crap-o-la


Marty
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

It was very overt sarcasm… they're merely restating the Republican talking points in order to show how ridiculous they sound


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Yeah, really…thank God we have someone who volunteers to serve his country just so he can get standing to sue the Government and claim the President of the United States isn't legitimate.

I'm sure all of those parents of Marines who died in battle are a little prouder today.


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Yeah, really…thank God we have someone who volunteers to serve his country just so he can get standing to sue the Government and claim the President of the United States isn't legitimate.

I'm sure all of those parents of Marines who died in battle are a little prouder today.


Billy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

…and yet you've never served in our armed forces.


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Yeah, really…thank God we have someone who volunteers to serve his country just so he can get standing to sue the Government and claim the President of the United States isn't legitimate.

I'm sure all of those parents of Marines who died in battle are a little prouder today.


obamasafricanmidwife
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

WHY WOULD HE WANT THIS ALL TO GO AWAY?? It just highlights what a bunch of radical, paranoid wing-nuts the right wing is comprised of!

Please, take to the streets with torches and pitch forks! Have a million man march on Washington! Refuse to serve in the military! Refuse to pay taxes or fill out a census questionnaire! Try to secede! Y'all are awesome!


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

Yeah, really…thank God we have someone who volunteers to serve his country just so he can get standing to sue the Government and claim the President of the United States isn't legitimate.

I'm sure all of those parents of Marines who died in battle are a little prouder today.


calijohn
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

I recall reading things that were often critical of Pres. Bush.
His supporters would more often than not retort with – “If you don't like it get out!”
The proverbial shoe has switched locations.
So to all of Pres. Obama's detractors – if you don't like it get out!


bluto392
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Wow, this is good evidence of the racist backbone of this movement.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

If you're actually an Obama supporter then think this through. He already did submit eligibility requirements. The question is what, and to whom. Anyone who runs for President already goes through the most intensive background check that any individual in the country has to undergo. They of course inspect all records pertaining to citizenship. So this is already done. It just is not handed over to your political opponents. The FBI does the checking. You may remember the closed session on day 3 of the Sotomayor hearings. That is when the FBI and the Senators met with Sotomayor to go over her FBI background investigation. There are many such meetings for any Presidential candidate.

The point is that no matter what Obama shows these people, they will not be satisfied. They will just say, as they have, that the documents are fakes and that everyone who looked at them is just part of the conspiracy. It's lunacy.

But you cannot give in to these dolts or they will just hijack the agenda and nothing will get done because you'll spend all your time trying to satisfy them that President Obama is not a _________. And when you debunk one thing they'll invent another.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

I don't disagree, Maribelle, but that's not really the issue here. The issue is people claiming that Obama IS NOT a United States citizen, and that he has provided no evidence of his citizenship. It is this persistent lie circulated among the nuttiest of wingnuts, and it devalues the Office of the President.

Look, I despised George W. Bush's presidency, but I also couldn't stand it when I heard fellow libs say, “He's not MY president.” If you are a citizen of this country, THE president is YOUR president. To say something to the contrary is, to me, unpatriotic and insulting to our country. So too is it with the birthers.

I don't think you're completely wrong about the eligibility requirements. But that's not why they don't like Barack Hussein Obama II. I mean, just look at that name. Look at what circulated during the campaign. Look what CONTINUES to circulate. It is an intrinsic feeling of bigotry, plain and simple, and it makes my country, and me, look like less than we are when such a position is furthered.

I said this before, but I'll say it again: They wouldn't like Hillary, either, but they'd never question whether or not she's a natural-born American citizen. Why? Because, despite their loathing of her, at least she's got the same skin color.


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

Interesting note: conscientious objectors are those who refuse to be drafted into the military. Former Major Stefan signed up, volunteered to fight and then when asked to go, refused. That's cowardice, not CO.


Wizz
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

This is exactly why we will give Obama the full 8 years he needs to fix Bush's mess. This next case will be thrown out like all of the others, the Supreme Court already ruled. Like they said in the article it has simply become an 'urban legend.' I think the Republicans forget they are being ran out of office and don't have nearly enough votes to do anything, this is another reason why we have all decided to give Obama 8 full years to do his job.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

We will stop when we see the original certificate and not a minute sooner. Name calling wll not work.


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

dude, your logic is flawed. i do understand, that a cake of cups is not the same as a cupcake. but a certificate of live birth IS a birth certificate. that is what the state of HI issues. that's it.

he put the picture up for the public, because he can't very well mail is cert around the globe. he most certainly did not give the secret service the web URL when they were vetting him for candidacy.

come on man, use your head: if there was a way to expose this, THEY WOULD HAVE.

now get to work on checking if your congressman is on the take. that's the real crime going on. if so, write every day and scream at them on the phone.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Well I see you are very good with words and I must say. I do agree with you stephenperry.
Congrads to you. I am not a repub nor a dem. I just want what is right for all and will continue to speak my mind and fight for my rights as well as others. I will never give up!!


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Black liberation theology will not fix the economy, a president who has business experience might.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Fuck off. Don't you dare say anything about wanting to “help the USA and to have a better life.”

And don't ever say anything about putting your guns up. The Red Raiders would have nothing to do with you. Texas Tech is not Harvard but it is American through and through. You are not. Racism has no place in America. Neither does using a pretext of stupidity to further one's racist cause.


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

President George W Bush or President Obama?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Then it's time you got out and did something about it. If you don't like it, that's fine, but, just as I'd say to my leftist brethren, protests are only a tiny piece of the puzzle. And sitting here complaining about it isn't helping anything.

You want change YOU can believe in? Be that change. Seek out people, specifically candidates, who believe what you believe. Write letters. Participate in the protests, but go beyond them. Discuss your issues with as many people as you can. Tell them what your solutions are.

Don't just TALK about change — LIVE change.


Billy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Uh POTUS has to submit evidence of eligibility too.

So Obama did.

He passed.

Thanks for playing.


bradleyhogan
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

Obama should put it to rest and give his “real” birth certificate. problem solved,


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

Come on Obama, lets see the $12 original, then we will leave you alone, but Not a minute sooner.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

I promise to call you a lot of really colorful names if you'll promise to keep this nonsense up. It's the surest way I can think of for the Democrats to increase their majority in the Senate, increase their stranglehold in the House, and put a second coat of BLACK paint on the White House. (Did I scare you with that? Sorry!)


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

How about reason and logic? Will that work? Likely no.

Once again – for the slow kids…you will never…I repeat, never…see anyone's real birth certificate. Any birth certificate you see is always a certified copy. Always. Period. End of Story.

Somehow I think that if President Obama personally went to Hawai'i, got the real certificate, autographed it and sent it to kelleyye in Crazy Town…that you a) wouldn't believe it, and b) hate him because he doesn't look like you.

Oh…if you only put this much energy into getting a good education. The places you would go!!


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Right, because business is just BOOMING in the US right now.


billyray
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

If I were on the Republican side I'd shut up…simply because if Obama has to step out Joe Bidden steps in. Let it go girls!


billyray
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

If I were on the Republican side I'd shut up…simply because if Obama has to step out Joe Bidden steps in. Let it go girls!


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Name calling never will work. Proof is proof. I dont think that is to much to ask for. I wanted Obama to be the best he could be, no mater if he was a leftest or righty. I didnt know we would loose our rights as fast as he has accomplished. I again will never give up my weapons and will kill anyone who tries. I will go with the consitution. Its the AMERICAN WAY.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

He's provided evidence. Do you have contrary evidence?

One more time, everybody, sing along! “The burden of proof is on the accuser.”


smidget
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Prove that he's trying to take your guns.

That's right, you can't, because he isn't. Thanks for yet more proof that birthers are morons. The pile of evidence is getting really tall.


G_M
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Ah, I didn't realize the distinction. Interesting!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

You agree with me? What? You mean we both think that every breath you take is just a waste of oxygen that could have been better spent air-drying a convicted felon's scrotum after he showers?

Wow. I didn't know we were on the same page. There's still no hope for you. But at least now you're starting to see reason.


LawGirl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Oh, you mean like the guy who couldn't find oil in Texas in the 70's and 80's?

*snicker*


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Who is trying to take your weapons away?

And why do you have weapons in the first place?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Frankly, that'd be my dream. I <3 Joe.


murray19
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

what's wrong with the certificate provided by the hawaii dept of health?


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

who is this “we”? and why do you believe you have a right to see the original?

there is someone appointed to see the original. the secret service vetting staff. they check on this stuff. and they did see the original. and they were satisfied. why don't you trust their judgement? what makes you a better authenticator than the secret service?

also, the health dept. official in HI who issues the certs says it is authentic. why don't you trust the issuing agency? what makes you a higher authority than the issuing office?

two govt. agencies have confirmed he was born in HI. what real evidence to you have to argue to the contrary? not hearsay, not rumor, real evidence? i know you have none, because there is none. please open your mouth and take a large bite of a reality samwich. chew slowly. savor it. ahhh. feel better?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

Proof is proof. Except when it proves you wrong. Then you just lie some more.

If you will go with the Constitution, then tell us why you keep ignoring everything it says.

I would spit in your face if you tried to tell me jack shit about the American Way. You have no fucking clue what that phrase means. Crawl back under your rock. We have a proud and decent country to participate in.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

You are righ. Joe would step in. It would be worse. We all need to stand united and work and vote for the things you, me and everyone else that is reading these words. This is our rights. We will vote tell we cant vote no more. I wont let it go girl!! I will continue to speak freely and express my thoughts to everyone who reads this. I simply want my country back. I want with is right. I will never just simply let it go as you say. No.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

It doesn't say what the birthers want it to say. Namely, that a nigg*r cannot be President of the United States.

Other than that, nothing at all. Thanks for asking.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

You're scary if you wish Biden was President. Please someone take away your voter registration card.


vonbismark
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

These lunatics better find something more useful for their precious time.Before coming to America Obama's father was already married with children and so couldn't have taken his mother to Kenya for the delivery of Obama.If this had happened Obama's mother upon return to America would have denounced him.But there is no record of this.
The likes of Alan Keyes will never get over their defeat by Obama.Especially so with Alan Keyes 'cause he has the keys to hell.


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

But we'll just say it is a fake and keep posting nonsense. Dude – He did. Why did Chief Justice Roberts deliver President Obama the oath of POTUS? Why didn't he refuse. Any SC justice can deliver the oath. Do you think he is in on it? And who is the cigarette man?


murray19
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

and when has he said he was taking away people's guns?


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

what are you referring to? what rights have we lost? what weapons have been taken? please provide links.

we have lost no rights. nothing has been taken. you are not making any sense.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Come on von. Why dont any of you understand that all Obama has to do is show his Birth Certificate (not his Certificate of Live Birth) and all this goes away. ITS THAT SIMPLE!


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Okay, first of all, I'm happy that you want to work to get what you want, but for the love of God, please stop mangling the English language.

Express your thoughts all you want, but it would help your cause a hell of a lot more if you would get up off your butt, get out from behind the computer screen, and go out into the world.

I'm just sayin'…


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Do you think we really walked on the moon?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

You want your country back? Hmmm, 1956 is gone and it's not coming back. Mayberry only exists on DVD now.

OUR country is right here. We finally took it back on January 20. What, were you out taking a whizz or something? It was a pretty big day. You can probably find some YouTube clips. Look for the black guy putting his hand on the Bible and swearing to uphold the Constitution. There's a lot of armed uniformed police around him and yet he's not under arrest. Shouldn't be hard to find.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Whats wrong with it is that its not a Birth Certificate. A certificate of live birth is NOT a birth certificate. There is a difference


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Well said, dude.


Wizz
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Thanks to George Bush for this economy Obama was handed down. We all knew it would take Obama 8 FULL years to fix Bush's mess, and that's what we've all decided to give him, Democrats have united into one power. Republicans statistically don't even have close to the amount of votes needed to say other wise.


petewg
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

By his own statements, Obama has said he is “native citizen” and not a “natural born citizen”. baed on his “dual citizenship”, and therefore – he is NOT eligible to legally hold the office of President. We cannot dismiss this fundamental fact.

OBAMA IS NOT ABOVE OUR CONSTITUTION.


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

You dream about Biden?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

There was to many items that was tested on this on from the department of health. As a matter of fact I to made one for me and it does look so very real. I now question it. I wish I was smarter to figure out who did this to Obama, and why? I feel so strongly that some one some where has made this out to be very damaging to us all. Like I said, I dont care who runs for office, just please take care of the Americans first, then help who ever needs help. I was shocked to see his place of birth. I was shocked to see how poorly the certificate was put
together.


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

this is not about a defeat of obama. it's strictly about keeping the masses divided. anything they can do to keep the working class fighting with each other, keeps our eyes off of their deception and greed. this is how they fleeced us out of all that money!

we the working class must unite against the elite. we must stop buying into every lie they feed us. they say they're on your side as a “conservative” but they are not. they will sell you out in a heartbeat. they're sending your jobs overseas and laying off your neighbors every day.

we must come together to realize its us vs. them. greedy elites must be voted out of office. we must identify trustworthy progressives to take our congress back. this is the only way we will be the America that our founding fathers created for us, and our patriots died for.


Belle1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Actually, I am quite puzzled why President Obama would rather pay attorneys in LA over $1 Million dollars to seal his birth certificate, his college records, his doctor's records….yet he blasted McCain for not releasing his complete medical history.

Seems a smart business man would pay $50 to the state of Hawaii for a Certificate of Live Birth vs. paying $1 Million to try and keep everything withheld.


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Ok, let say the birthers are right. What's President Obama's end game?


Wizz
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

Exactly, both Pelosi and Reid said they are not interested in adding more gun control laws…just enforcing the ones they have now, sounds fair enough to an NRA member like myself.


FuzzyandBlue
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

chuckj claims: “Why do you people keep lying and say he put his Birth Certificate up for all to see? He never did. He put up a Certificate of Live Birth. That is NOT a Birth Certificate. There is a difference. “

Really? I just retrieved the birth certificates of myself, my husband, and our 2 children from our safe.
Guess what, ya nutbag?
They all say in capital letters this: CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH.
I called my county's Office of Vital Statistics to verify that in fact the certifcates I am in possession of are 100% legal Ohio birth certificates.
Guess what again, ya nutbag?
These documents, with the words CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH, are 100% our legal birth certificates according to the state of Ohio and they are THE only birth certificates that the state of Ohio administers to the natural-born citizens of Ohio.
Ever think for 1 second that perhaps your birth certificate might look different from Barack Obama's b/c it is from a different state?
Of course not. That would require actual thought and cognition.
Are you intricately aware of the appearance of legal birth certificates of every single state of the Union?
Of course not. Soooo …. in addition to being a nutbag you are also a mouthbreathing idiot. Now go play in traffic, bright boy.


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

I hear it was 1 billion dollars.


Wizz
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

A second term…which he will get as the Dems have superior voting numbers.


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

chuck. hawaii does not issue birth certificates. they issue certificates of live birth. that's what they use. that is all there is. what part of this are you lost on?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Yes having a DUAL if this is so true he is not eligible for his seat. yes you are also right on that. If this is true he needs to step down and allow good old Joe to take his seat.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

I'll ask you again, Chucky: What is the difference? A Certificate of Live Birth IS a Birth Certificate. Are you confused with the “Certification” of live birth? There is a difference between a Certification and a Certificate, but a “Certification” is, essentially, a short-form Birth Certificate.

Do you even know what you're talking about?


Alan Smithee
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

People keep saying, “We'll stop when we see the Birth Certificate”. Did he withhold it? Did it not go through all the necessary channels? Did he get to where he is by writing “Burf Curtifikut” in crayon on a piece of construction paper and using that as proof? Does Obama have to take it on a tour of America and personally show every buckethead that has ridiculous, unfounded “doubts”?

These “birther” comments do for progress what Amy Winehouse does for erections.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

Some you people just amaze me. I cant help but laugh yet be disappointed at the same time.

First off, Obama never showed his birth certificate. He showed a certificate of live birth, which is different than a birth certificate. People who have been born outside the US have been able to get a Certificate of Live Birth.
Second, Congress held hearings to determine McCains eligibility. I bet none of you had issues with that. Yet now you want to spew your usual hate for anyone other than a liberal who want to know if Obama indeed has a birth certificate.

Last, and most important. All he has to do is show the damn thing and all this is over with. Instead of bashing those that want to see it, why cant you question why Obama keeps fighting all this? It doesnt make any sense if he indeed has a Birth Certificate, why he doesnt just show it.


John
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

This is my favorite part:

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

Hawaii is a state. It's not a foreign counrty. Any one of these birthers could travel to Honolulu, drive up to the DHHS offices and obtain a copy of the birth certificate. Of course, it would look just like the one everyone has seen.

Best post of the year:

“Try applying for a passport or a Federal job and send them a photograph of your birth certificate posted on a website.”

Hmmm. A passport, like the one President Obama has and used this month to travel abroad? A Federal job, like being U.S. Senator, which President Obama was? Or U.S. President, which he is? That's a Federal job.

Dumbass. Epic fail!”


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

That is not the Long Form Birth Certificate. There is a difference.


theodosa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

He already has you crazy loons….LOLOLOL. Keep it up though, it will only make the GOP look even more ridiculous come 2010.


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

you are mistaken. native IS natural born. like native americans. they're born here. even with the dual citizenship, his mother is american, so even if he was born in a foreign country, LIKE MCCAIN, he'd still be eligible. but that's irrelevant, because a govt document provided by the state of HI shows he was born in HI.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

How DARE you insult dual citizens of this country! I was born in Chicago. I have lived in the US all my life. But my father was born in Ireland. Through him, I have dual Irish and American citizenship.

Guess what? I could still be inaugurated as President were I to win enough electoral votes.

Shut your damned mouth and learn something!


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

SEE Even Fuzzy and Blue has the same thing on there birth records. Explain to my why all american born birth records have this but not Obama's?


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

Aside from the level of detail differentiating the documents (hospital of record, doctor, height, weight, etc) – in the state of Hawaii, one authenticates natural born citizenship, and the other doesn't. This part is important, and again – it has nothing to do with tin foil hats. Per the State of Hawaii's Department of Health, “Amended certificates of birth may be prepared and filed with the Department of Health, as provided by law, for 1) a person born in Hawaii who already has a birth certificate filed with the Department of Health or 2) a person born in a foreign country.” (For citation purposes, please feel free to visit their site: http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-re… ).


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

Educate me. post a link to your Long Form Birth Certificate.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:03 pm

Me, I'm wondering what nation Sarah Palin was born in. A minute of listening to her speak makes it obvious that American English is not her native tongue. So what is? Afrikaans?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

Jimpa, I'm surprised you were not able to figure this out. It's SO obvious.

Bush was in on the conspiracy. So he nominated Roberts, who is also in on the conspiracy. Roberts's job was to cover his tracks by making a lot of rulings that NO Democrat could ever stomach, so that no one would suspect him. It worked beautifully so far. Roberts has come down against the individual in favor of the corporation, against the accused in favor of the State, against the injured medical malpractice plaintiff and in favor of the health services provider, and basically against anything Democrats prize.

This way, Roberts can now operate without scrutiny. Did you see how Roberts slyly replaced the Bible with a copy of the Qur'an that had been personally inscribed by Bin Laden? No? Oh you must have been watching the inauguration on MSNBC. Fox showed the whole thing, including the part when Obama knelt down and started washing his feet before praying toward Mecca.

So yeah. Bush. Roberts. Obama. One seamless direct line between them and whoever the hell else we need to include in this farcical conspiracy theory. Let's play Six Degrees of Separation; we can probably prove that we're ALL in on it!


captainsteve
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

Dogs Republicans? I think not. I'm a libertarian, but it's to the Republicans credit if they pursue this. If there's nothing to hide, why is Obama spending millions to hide?

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o…

.


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

why do you think he paid a million dollars? and to LA attys? why LA? this is nonsense.

no one has had to pay anything, because all cases have been dismissed before getting to court because they're absurd. there's no court expenses for this.

why do you believe what crazy people tell you, but not what rational, sane people tell you??


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

A “Long Form Birth Certificate” is not necessary to become president. Proof of natural birth is. He has provided this already.


Wizz
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

Thanks John, some of these people never went to College and are just plain ignorant. And for their ignorance we'll reward Obama with a second term…we just have one more election to go to make this a one party system, Republicans are a dying breed…welcome to the modern generation of College Grads and Professionals people.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

Here is what's funny about Liberals. Check out this video of Ma'am Barbara Boxer being a bigot.

http://www.hotair.com/archives/2009/07/16/video-witnes...


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

What could of slipped thru the channels was what we have seen. All of Obama;s records are sealed including his medical records. Birth and medical, and his schooling. Why? Whats there to hide?


theodosa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Exactly, thank you. We got our country back from the criminals in the last administration who shredded the Constitution. If Reagan was alive today he would agree with me.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

HOW DARE YOU!

I am a natural-born American citizen. I have dual citizenship with Ireland through my father. And yet I still would qualify to become President of the United States.

You are either a liar or an ignoramus. Either way, you've now lost any dwindling respect I had for your intellect. Shut your mouth and learn something.


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

why do you think there is a “long form”? where did you get that idea? there is no long form. there is what we see on the web. it's a whole, complete document. it's stamped and signed. why do you listen to crazy people with no evidence, instead of sane people with evidence??


murray19
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

there is in some states a long form and a short form. Either one proves that he was born in Hawaii. I know that in illinois they give you a copy not the original


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

That would be an insult even to the people whose entire language is nothing but a series of clicks and whistles. Who would ever want to be associated with Sarah Palin? Oh wait, I forgot. Birthers. My bad.

Still, the clicks and whistles point remains. I think I can understand those people better than I can understand Palin anyway. She just always sounds like a third grader trying to give an oral report on particle physics without having done any of the reading first.


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

You birther suck at conspiracy theory. Come one what is President Obama's end game.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

Very well put wizz


theodosa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:06 pm

You got it 100% right as rain. They want to call this President a n*gger and discredit him every step of the way. By the time 2010 rolls around the GOP should be officially pushin' up daisies bigtime.


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

what are you talking about? where do you get this? sealed records? they are public. go to the hall of records where they are kept. you can see too. why would you say this? did you attempt to get a copy and you were denied?


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

He would supply a link to this ground breaking fact but Rush didn't give him one.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

PROOF?? JUST MORE LIES?? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT THEY ARE SEALED?


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

(FYI: Afrikaans is rooted in Dutch.)


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

Exactly. Some of these liberals seem to forget just how much of his past and records got put on lock down. Mr. Transparency. LOL

We all told you he lied about being transparent during the campaign. The proof was there. All he did was try to hide his past or excuse it. Now here we are, and its a FACT that he has NOT been transparent.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Thank you Captainsteve. And I though I was alone here. LOL


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Are you learning-impaired? A birth certificate is NOT NECESSARY to become president! Only proof of natural birth is. He has provided that.

Could it be fake? Sure. But guess what? George W. Bush's could've been faked, too. So could Ronald Reagan's. So could FDR's. So could ANY president's!

The point is, you're not going to be happy even if he provides it. Or, if you are, others of your ilk will not. It's a neverending battle. You're just pissy that your side lost the election. Get over it!


jimpa
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

You birther suck at conspiracy theory. Come one what is President Obama's end game.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

AGAIN WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT HE IS SPENDING MILLIONS? PROOF???


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Nice name….loser. Grow up.

Look it up, we dont have to do all you research for you. But we could show it to you and you still wouldnt believe it.


murray19
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

AGAIN ALL WE SEE IS YOU RUNNING YOUR UNEDUCATED MOUTH WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

What law says a Long Form Birth Certificate is necessary to become president? The Constitution certainly doesn't. You know why? Because when the Constitution was written, Long Form Birth Certificates didn't exist!

Why do you hate the Constitution?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:09 pm

Its a fact that congress and Obama has sealed all of his records. This is one reason why so many people out here will continue to ask where's the proof. WHERE IS THE PROOF AND WHY HIDE


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

IN OTHER WORDS YOU HAVE NONE JUST RUNNING YOUR UNEDUCATED MOUTH STFU ASSHOLE


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

So show it. Please.


suu
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

THE DEMOS AND SUPPORTS ARE JUST LIKE THOSE IN THE DAY OF HITLER. SITTING BACK AND WONDERING HOW THIS COULD BE HAPPENING, OH WELL HE IS A GOOD SPEAKER AND MAKES US HAVE HOPE. YOU ARE BLINDED FROM THE TRUTH, YOU CANNOT SEE THE EVIL THAT IS BEING CONDUCTED. AND HE HAS NOT PROVIDED ANY DOCUMENTATION THAT PROVES WHERE HE WAS BORN, WHY DO YOU THINK HE IS HIDING IT? HOW DID HE TRAVEL OVERSEAS IN HIS EARLY DAYS WHEN NO ONE WAS ALLOWED TO TRAVEL TO WHERE HE WENT. WHY DOES HE HAVE A CREATED LIFE AND NOT A LIFE THAT CAN BE DOCUMENTED. DONT YOU SEE, YOU CANNOT FIND HANYWHERE IN HISTORY, NO RECORDS, ETC. HE IS A CREATED SOCIALIST OF BILL AYRES, REV WRIGHT, ETC. THE ACORN THREADS ARE SO DEEP INTANGLED WITH HIM, THE LIES BEING TOLD MY POLOSI, THE SNEAKY WAY THEY PUTTING HATE CRIME LEGISLATION INTO DEFENSE BILLS. HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THE DECEIPT IN ALL THIS.


AdmiralJ
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

“Birther's” the only person dumber than this group of morons is their leaders. G.W.Bush, Hanity, and anyone on the Fox “newless” channel.
Quit spreading lies and show proof that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii. If you can't do that then shut your F***** mouths. You lost the last election because of the very crap your spreading. This will not bring you back to the throne of power. But you can still sit on the white porcelin throne in the morning and get your repbulican on and wipe you Limbaugh.


ralphconner
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

'Oh sure, we'll just put Mcain in because you don't accept any documents'. 'This will work – no need to formulate credible policies or win elections.' Just question every basic fact of life.
What will you do when this leads to even less credibility, pout? ROFL, – keep it up!


murray19
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

One more time, Chucky:

I don't hate you. Why do you hate me, just because of my political leanings?


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

TO break up the tense tone of some of these posts, here is some humor. Ms. “Dont Call Me Ma'am if you are military” Barbara Boxer (Dem) shows that she is a condescending bigot.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/16/video-wit…

Really good for a laugh, watch it.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

We must vote OUT congress to change what has happened to our beloved country. WOW! Now what do you think would happen to Obama? hehehe


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

WHERE IS THE PROOF THAT HE IS HIDING IT?? THE BURDON OF PROOF IS ON YOU JETHRO


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Captain, only in your delusional mind has Obama spent “millions” to “hide” anything. It has not cost millions or hundreds of thousands or even tens of thousands to deal with this nonsense. Obama has not yet even had to defend himself; the suits were tossed as frivolous, which they clearly are.

The judges who have heard this nonsense have thus far thrown out the cases sua sponte. That means on their own motion, without requiring the President to have to brief the matter. The one exception is where a judge just agreed to hear the birthers' claims “on the merits” instead of throwing them out on a procedural motion.

That is good news for people who care about truth and honesty and who want to get this nonsense behind us. Because once the case has been heard on the merits, the judge will then throw it out. And if it has been heard on the merits, it can no longer be re-filed, under the doctrine of res judicata (“the thing has been decided”). No one else will be allowed to bring the same or similar claims. Before it has been heard on the merits, people could just keep re-filing and starting over.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

Wow, it's in all caps and with no paragraph breaks!

It MUST be true!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

BET YOU GET A GOOD LAUGH EVERYTIME YOU SIT TO PEE HUH???


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

lolz.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

YOPU BET NOT ONE REPUBLICAN WILL BE RELECTED THAT YOUR DUMBASS CAN COUNT ON


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

BurdEn, Stupidity. There's an E. The other one is a reference to the former lead singer of the Animals.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

Angry much. Typical liberal post. I usually know when a liberal is posting when they sound angry, call people names, blame Bush for rain, etc, etc ,etc

You need to lighten up, get some fresh air, and try to be happy.


craig spar
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

I'm sure sorry , that at this point in the decline of the USA's economy, the republicans, who have
not one single clue, how to stop the downward slide, turn to this kind of crapp as a distraction
from their flaccid, ineptness. But are we surprised? No. This is all the republicans have left..
no good ideas,no solutions, just anger and ranting and hissy fits.
Luckily,the intelligent majority of Americans, also know this and the republicans will be marginalized for decades if not forever. Good Riddance!


murray19
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

feel free to read this debunking “It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Reall? Where is the proof or is that something else besides the vibarator that you pull out of your butt??


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Why dont you go back to school and get some education. Also, try to learn some manners. Loser.


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

it's really sad that people will grasp on to a lie or a distorted perception like a chunk of wood in the middle of the ocean.

those of you arguing that this certificate isn't acceptable are simply not thinking rationally.

1. the HI dept of health says it's authentic.
2. the Secret Service has researched and vetted Obama during his candidacy.
3. there are birth announcements in two HI papers for Obama's birth.
4. there is NO PROOF to the contrary, like a b.c. from another country

why do you refuse to accept these 4 facts? why would you rather grasp onto a fantasy? is it you simply cannot admit when you are wrong? is it a racist thing? what then? because i can think of no rational reason for not accepting 4 facts vs. no facts.

please clear your mind, let go of your hate, and maybe you will realize, “hey, i'm being irrational” there is no reason to go on about this issue. we have more serious things to deal with, like the banks stealing our money.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

PROOF??


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

You obsessed with me? Should I report you for stalking? lol


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Best CAPZ LOCK POSSE post yet!!!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

WHY DON'T YOU TRY EDUCATION BOBBY BOUCHER IT'S NOT THE DEVIL P**CK!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

I really don't think you understood any of what wizz was saying. You seem not to understand that wizz means the Democratic party when referring to a “one party system.”

But don't worry about little things like reading comprehension. It's not like you needed to understand how to read your own child's birth certificate, which you obviously failed to understand (or are just lying about); why bother trying to understand what some fact-oriented liberal named wizz is trying to say?

Facts, you will find, often get right smack dab in the way of a good racist rant.


Wizz
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

lol, isn't Bush the one that started a war over WMDs that never existed….”show me the WMDs!” It's always Republicans that want to start some type of war as soon as they get in office, and they lose that war (Korea,Vietnam, Iraq)…so you tell me who the real Hitler wanna be's are??


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

The thing I can't figure out, having been on this forum for a good long while, is why this is even an issue. We've got a tanked economy that, quite frankly, isn't looking like it's going to get much better under President Obama. We've got two wars still raging in the Middle East, with one significantly ramped-up since the president took office. Our schools are still sucking massively. Our environment is going buh-bye. Our banks and states are going broke. And Democrats are in control of every non-judicial aspect of the federal government.

Why, then, make THIS an issue? Not only are there more important things to focus on, but there are also more important issues that can be won by the side currently engaged in this idiotic warfare.

Seriously, conservatives, why waste your time on this issue that quite frankly will get you nowhere when there are REAL issues out there on which you can actually win?


tyler-durden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

wow. you're really crazy. i wish i could help you. sad.


screenname05
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Okay, I'm going to start a new rumor. George Bush violated the SEC act by using insider information to sell all of his stock in his oil company after receiving the accounting report three weeks ahead of the BOD. He wasn't prosecuted because his daddy was President of the U.S.

Oops, that's not a silly rumor, its true. Guess it doesn't qualify after all.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

YOUR TRIFFLING ASS IS FUNNY!! I LOVE LAUGHING AT RETARDS STRAIGHT OFF THE SHORT BUS


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Well, you could probably hear him/her coming. I mean, that's a helluva lot of shouting…


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

Whubbout you, Chucky? Are you happy?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

BECAUSE YOU CLOWNS ARE HARD OF HEARING


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

By the way. Did you guys go to the new recovery.gov? Hmmmm? Now how much money was spent on there site for TRANSPARENCY? WHEW! Yep we are bankrupt.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Wait, wait, wait, now I'm a clown? I'm on your side, you fool. I just think you should learn how to have a civilized argument rather than posting insults in all-caps. Let's try to be adults about this, huh?


suu
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

where you your proof? If you TRY to research Obama, you will NOT find anything. So asking for proof is impossible to obtain because he has locked it away.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Wiley, on what do we spend most of the money in the Federal Budget?

(I know, but I'm testing you.)


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Granny? Is that you? Didn't we tell you not to post weird rants after you have your medication? And turn off the caps lock key.

Hitler? Really? You're comparing President Obama with Hitler? So then who's George Bush? Emporer Nero? Pharoah? Is Cheney Beelzebub?

Hiding it? I guess President Obama was hiding his birth certificate during the campaign by posting it online. That is the last place Republicans would think to look. Sort of the way I stash cash in my library of books in my living room. I know no thief will look in my books.

So yeah, that sneaky Obama, hiding things from us by showing them to us. Shiftless, lazy, and sneaky, That One is….


cecile
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

fail, brendand. that would be eric burton.


martyr
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

Wait!! Why would O have to post a copy of his cert I mean I am way old and you know what I have my Original.. from New haven a small half the size of a postcard Birth cert.. why being younger by a few years did he not have the ORIGINAL to post albeit the number blanked out.

What I see by all this is the matter is not EVER going to be settled unless this Mr transparent O bummer shines allot of light on all his records.. ALL of them.. till then yep ..

He is in my humble opinion … drumroll the Antichrist .. prove me wrong? He sure fits THAT description to a “T”

Finally do you race baiters even have a black or Hispanic friend or is this the best you can do? act like you give a darn..


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

PROOF?? OR YOU USING THAT VULCAN MIND MELD AGAIN?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

POST IT AND PROVE IT TO US ALL. I SEE YOU ARE FUUL OF S**T


suu
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

you are rude. I have to go and do something important like write congress and senate not to vote of cap and rate and government withholding medical coverage.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

Atternies have tried to get his records and so have some of the senators. the brotherhood of congress sealed what ever Obama wanted. They seem to work hand in hand on what they wantto pass. Such as late last night congress passed the 500 billion dollars for um what? No one was in on that one either. Now why would they do this at night time and no repubs in on it? Got me? Yeah right. There's that fillabuster number again.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Well, money DID have to be spent on recovery.gov. I mean, we can't deny the facts.

The question is, what do we spend the GREATEST amount on? Because it's important to know.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Hmmmm, HOW DARE ME? Read the constitution, over and over and over and over.


JLW
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

No, it IS Burdon. Look it up.


DownWithIt
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:25 am

Accept the challenge that was given to you earlier. Prove that anyone can get the Long Form from Hawaii upon request. If they can’t, then Obama has provided the best available evidence and you should concede the point, get over it, and move on.


suu
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

I have one better, Obama use to be white and dyed his skin black. He consulted with M. Jackson on how to do it.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Brother, I have NO idea what your post is saying. Is that sarcasm, or is that how you actually feel?

And for God's sake, learn how to use some punctuation once in awhile!


janet
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

You have go0t to be kidding Hannity after we all saw you lose it talking to someone that diagreed with you,This did not mean anything about the armay why would they want someone whom they could not trust in battle who just migh shoot his own people.Seems to me that makes more sense thaen what Hannity thinks.not many soldiers would like this man in their troops afraid he would back shoot them is the more likely story


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

YOU CAN READ?? WHO HELPED YOU WITH THE BIG WORDS?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

Stop hijacking the thread. We are here to discuss important things, like how much the President spent when he had dinner in New York City with the First Lady.

That's what the people need to know. Never mind how much it cost to wire the entire town of Crawford and turn a ranch into a Presidential fortress with secure broadband connections. I'm sure that was just a few dozen million dollars. Chump change.

I wanna know how much the Broadway show tickets cost! Never mind how much we're going to be paying for the next 20 years for Bush's war of choice in Iraq, fought purely to finish what Poppy Bush started.

No sir. Americans should not sit idly by and watch a President spend any money trying to date his own wife. There are plenty of Other Women around. Mark Sanford and John Ensign can only handle so much traffic between them.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

PROOF?? PLEASE PROVIDE THE PROOF


cigi
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

I would also like to recommend legislation that requires ALL Rethugs to have their DNA tested to verify that they are “even human”. This “birther crap” is just that…crap…go read Fact Check if you want to argue further. They have seen, felt the seal and verified the legitimacy of the document. Rethugs are poor losers and they never can do anything with class or grace, unlike our truly intelligent, classy President, Barack Obama. So all your Rethugs keep on your cattervwalling and whining…you lost, get used to it!


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Did you just wake up? Where have you been the past few months. The economy is getting worse under Obama. He either doesnt have a clue on what hes doing or he does. Either way, its scary. This birth certificate thing isnt a GOP thing. This is an American thing. He either has the real certificate or he doesnt. If he does, quit fighting it and show it. Then all of us will shut up about it. As long as he continues to fight it, the law suits will come.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

How dare you what? Half of your replies seem to be to people who the rest of us can't see.

Maybe you should ask THEM for proper documentation.


Alan Smithee
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

Brendand- Would it be insane in the ol' membrane to theorize that RepubStupidity might be a neo-conservative troller posing as a dem? The all-caps thing is a dead giveaway.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

YOU NEED TO MOVE OUT OF YOUR MAMAS BASEMENT AND WASH YOUR ASS YOU STINK


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

You're not very bright, are you?

Article II of the United States Constitution says, “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”

Where in there do you see anything having to do with being a dual citizen?

Wiley, I have read the Constitution, “over and over and over and over.” Have you even read it once?


painbodyII
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

I wonder about many of your comments.
I wonder where you learned English, supposedly the “official language of the United States of America. I suppose it could be the same place where you learned “logic”, where you learned common decency, where you learned to love thy neighbor as thyself, etc.
I get that you are angry. I get that you hate 24/7. I get that you teach hate to your children and to your family. I get that you have nothing but your skins and that you are sooooo afraid the real world is going to leave you in the dirt where you think you shouldn't be.


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

Hey Chuck,are you a real person or a computer generated virus? You repeat the same mantra over and over and are clogging up the interweb. If you are real please state your real intentions. Do you really want Biden running the country? Are your intentions more radical, throw the goverment into chaos so the religous right can take control and install carabou barbie as our leader. Please let us know so we can prepare for this glorious future. I am easily swayed and am ready to PRAISE THE LEADER.


ibwilliamsi
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

They waste time on this because they have nothing real to add to real life issues. It's like that old Cool Whip Commercial where the husband and wife dine al fresco at night, and the husband says “Look! It's Haley's Comet!” While the wife looks away, the husband steals some of her Cool Whip. These people have nothing real to add to the conversation.

What saddens me the most, is how divisive this all is. Terrorists couldn't ask for anything better than to have us wasting time hating each other about silly lies. The conservative “Birthers” an their ilk are terrorist tools, trying their best to rip the USA to shreds.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

>>M. Jackson<<

Mahalia?

Wait, wait, that can't be right…


cathy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

You know, I haven't heard a single peep from these people about the fact that McCain was born in Panama, in the Canal Zone.

Not an American state like Hawaii, but a U.S. territory that was only technically U.S. soil at the time and has sense been returned to Panama. In other words, he was born in a place that we were leasing from another country.

Why no cries of “not a citizen” on this? Yes, his father was in the military, but a much stronger case could be made that this does not qualify him as “natural born” then all the crazy legalities pitched by the anti-Obama birthers.

As for that birth certificate…..these people would cry “fake” if Moses went to Mt. Sinai and brought back a copy of Obama's birth certificate carved on a stone tablet.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

Anyone want to hear a joke?
So Joe Biden recently said that “We have to spend money to keep from going bankrupt”

LOL oh wait….that isnt a joke? He actually said that? Wow.

Now this is the second guy in command. And in his economic class, he learned to get out of bankruptcy, you need to spend more money…that you dont have. Wow, talk about clueless.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

All may be well on that Lillbet2nd but for some odd reason some of the numbers dont add up. I wish it would help. I was surprised when Maya couldnt remember what the name of the hospital he was born in. And there is his GrandMother in Kenya that watched the birth of her Grandson right there in Kenya


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

God, I hope not. 'Cause that's just sad.


AdmiralJ
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

I just finished reading all the comments by readers here. Now more than ever we need health care. I didn't realize that we have so many citizens that need to be committed to mental institutions. Please vote for health care so we can get these people treatment.


lesforo
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Sounds like great advise! Fresh air, like….. watch Glen beck doom and gloom comedy hour, or hey, how bout i watch lou dobbs bitch because the entire country can't be white and southern baptists.


joyce
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

best to remember that the antichrist you all refer to is said to come with a bi9ble and carring a cross that should tell you who might be what and it sure isn't Obama You forget he comes from a republican state and I am sure the republican governor would have looked at records You conspercy theroist are just plain crazy like Rush L Beck and Hannity if you want to see antichrist look to these kinds of people to stir up violence3


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

LOL ANOTHER IDIOT THAT HAS NO CLUE WHAT THE HELL THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT……POST PROOF IDIOT!!


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Cathy,

There wouldnt be anymore lawsuits if he showed the proof he needs to show. He hasnt. And if you has any clue, you would know McCain was born on a military base, his family was in the military. Oh and guess what Cathy? Congress held hearings to determine his eligibility. But NOOOOO, cant do that to Obama.


Alan Smithee
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Brendand- Would it be insane in the ol' membrane to theorize that RepubStupidity might be a neo-conservative troller posing as a dem? The all-caps thing is a dead giveaway.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

You voted for Biden, not me.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

I haven't listened to anything Hannity said. But the ex-Major was a volunteer. He volunteered for service in Afghanistan. When you volunteer you can change you mind any time up until the day you're supposed to ship out.

That's what the Major did. When he sued to get out of going, the military quite reasonably read that as an indication that he had changed his mind about his volunteer service and told him not to show up. And then his DoD contractor employer fired his worthless ass.

He only volunteered so that paperwork could be generated telling him to ship out. Once he had those orders, he met the prerequisite for filing suit (unless you are presently under orders to leave, your suit is not yet “ripe” so the orders have to be issued first).

In other words, the whole thing was a political stunt cooked up by his lawyer, who filed similarly frivolous claims about Obama's birth certificate on behalf of other tools like the ex-Major. She will soon be disbarred for violating Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 5, which indicates that every pleading filed by a lawyer must be filed in good faith for a proper purpose. Political stunts clearly do not count.

I wish he HAD gone overseas. I am sure that he would not have come back home except in a box with a flag over it. No one likes cowards. He would have deserved to get fragged for the disrespect he showed to our military, our judicial system, and our President. Piece of shit coward.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

READ THIS:

http://www.peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Birth_Cert...


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

@ chuckj:

Chuck, you wrote, “You're scary if you wish Biden was President. Please someone take away your voter registration card.”

You are un-American as they come, sir. In everything that we have debated on this board so far, I have never once insinuated or said outright that you should be barred from voting for your beliefs.

You, sir, have just gone from legitimate debater to supporter of Stalin-esque tyranny. Congratulations.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Can you provide some proof for this part: And there is his GrandMother in Kenya that watched the birth of her Grandson right there in Kenya

I mean, this has been debunked so many times… good lord. If you are so obsessed with this issue, wouldn't you at least keep the debunked talking points off the page? It makes you look even dumber. Then again, go right ahead. This is hilarious. Go Birfers, Go!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

WHERE IS YOURS?? OR DID MAMA JUST PULL YOU OUT OF THE HOLE IN THE OUTHOUSE?


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

Here's a question for everyone: after reading the statements from Janice Okubo, are you left with the impression that HI has verified that what's shown on BHO's site matches what HI has on file?

If so, then Weigel has misled you. Because, I spoke with Okubo, and she said she's not qualified to say that what's on BHO's site matches what they have on file.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

Thats the difference between what Obama showed, and what proof people are asking to see.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

Yes stephenperry I do want my country back and I will keep on buying my bulletts even if Obama tried to stop those sales to. I do admit it was harder to get my bullets but it can be done. Soon I wont have to go thru other means to keep me in pratice. I should be able to go to the gun store and buy what I want, and not what Obama wants. Just like I use to 6 months ago. Not in 1959


cathy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

No she didn't. She was being interviewed via an interpreter. The interviewer asked if she'd seen the birth of her grandson. The interpreter mangled the translation and Obama's grandmother, not understanding the question, said, “Yes” then realizing she'd misunderstood the question, corrected herself and said,” No.”

As for Maya not knowing the name of the hospital her father was born in, I haven't the faintest idea of the name of the hospital my father was born in. I just know that he was born in Kalamazoo, period.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

I have no problem with lawsuits bankrupting all you silly birfers. keep it up! chuckj, have you personally donated to any of the birfer lawsuits? please do!


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

@ Cecile:

Cecile, due respect, it's Eric Burdon who was the lead singer of the Animals, not Eric Burton.

(I realize this is OT, but I don't like disinformation of any kind getting out there.)


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

and that means what?? guess what retard people in america can say whatever they want it does not make it true! You really need to stop with the meth


rhondadavis28
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

this is a game by the in-same republican right wing group that still fester on racial hatred.

just watch Rachel Maddoms show from last night to see what the truth is

pat showed the world what that part of the party is all about/

shame shame shame


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Ok stephenperry, I do hope I am proved wrong.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Look, if someone out there really believes Biden should be President, that is down right scary. A joked about taking away their registration card, but to be serious anyone who has heard what good ole Biden has to say, should NEVER want him to be President.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

How this all came about: Please take the time to read and understand whats going on.

It is said by Kenyan sources that Barack Obama was born in the coastal resort town of Mobassa, Kenya while his mother and father were on summer holiday from college, his mother went into labor in the hot sun while at the beach, she returns home with her baby and registers him born in HI with no proof needed besides herself as a witness, he is issued a COLB and his grandfather Stanley informs the newspapers of the birth which is then printed.

Obama for his entire life uses this COLB as his only american citizenship proof. Obama uses his Indonesian citizenship granted to him from his adoption by his Indonesian stepfather Lolo Soetoro for college grants and other foreign programs. Obama never registered for selective service as proven his Sel Service paperwork is fraudulent. In early '08 his passports were illegaly accessed along with 2 other candidates and on March 21 2008, Obama calls for the state dept to investigate (pls google: “Obama wants Congress to probe passport breach”) Five days later, one of those witnesses of the breach, Lt. Quarles Harris Jr. was found shot dead in his car.

In his first day in office, Jan 21, Obama signs off on Executive Order 13489 sealing all records and leaving Attorney General Eric Holder in command of any document release.

July 14, Stefan Frederick Cook a reservist, who had previously filed a restraining order preventing his deployment to Afghanistan, was fired from his civilian job for questioning the elgibility of the Pres.

Look this stuff up, its all online, dont believe me, do your own research, this is not a conspracy theory, it is indeed a conspiracy.

If somehow proven:
Biden becomes temporary president, a new election will be called for, democratic party fails and ceases to exist, Libertarians and Republicans become the 2 main parties, MSNBC Olberman and Maddow are done, Jackson and Sharpton cry foul, marches in the streets, marches turn to riots. From this point we can only hope for the best.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Do you have audio of this conversation?


Pyak
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Birthers just demonstrate what dire straits our educational system is in.


lesforo
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

You are stupid.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

http://www.peoplespassions.org/peoplesvoice/Birth_Cert...


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

HAHAHA LIKE YOU SMALL PENIS RETARDS ARE THE ONLY ONE WITH A GUN.. PLEASE YOUR RETARED ASS WILL BE THE FIRST ONE TO DROP LIKE RHE COWARD YOU ARE POS


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:36 am

I think it is absolutely hilarious that all the “wacko gun nuts” are spending big buck buying up guns and ammo…. Hilarious!!!! They could spend their money on education, schooling, and any number of other things that would help them be more informed, successful citizens and contributors to society, but they are huddled down in their bunkers scared to death. HILARIOUS!!!! And the guns and ammo dealers are raking in the $$$$$$$$ and continuing to spread the rumors and publicize that there is some sort of awful DANGER!!!!!!! There’s a sucker born every day…. And buckets of them are being bilked…….. HA!! HA!! HA!! HA!! HA!! HA!! HA!! My sides are aching I’m laughing so…… HA!! HA!! HA!! HA!!


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

And yet, that doesn't explain why a Certificate (as you call it) of Live Birth (not a Certification, which is what they show here) is not worthy.

Either way, I will reiterate — AGAIN — that the United States Constitution does NOT specify that the President produce something called a Birth Certificate. Why, Chuck, do you think that your demands are more important than the Constitution's?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:36 pm

AMEN!!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

Stop. It was bad enough when you were just a racist prick. Now you're an economic doofus too?

Deficit spending is how you get out of a recession. Economic cycles have been going on since well before Egyptians and Romans fought over who had to keep Mark Antony. When your economy is in recession, people stop buying things. So producers cut down on how much they make. And prices rise. Which is bad. Since people have no money. Since it's a recession.

So the government spends. Whether it has the money or not. And that money that the government spends goes into the economy. Roads get built. Bridges get repaired. School books get printed. People get hired. People get paid. People pay taxes. The government gets paid back. But more importantly, the economy pulls itself out of the ditch.

So STFU since you clearly have not the foggiest idea what you're talking about.

“Wow, talk about clueless.”

Keep 'em coming, genius. I have all day.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:37 pm

PROOF? AND WORLDNUTDAILY IS NOT PROOF


cathy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

I was born on a military base, dimwit. In Peru, when my father was down there as a liason to the Peruvian Air Force. When I was ten, I had to get a certificate of naturalization. I am a naturalized citizen, not a natural-born citizen.

I don't have any problem with McCain's eligibility, I just want to know what the hell you people would accept as proof? Not a birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii, obviously. What would you accept as proof? The answer, of course, is nothing!


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

Read this:

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-20…


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

Brendand……..NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE MY WEAPONS AWAY

Thru the back door people now are having a hard time getting amo. Guns you can buy. Amo is harder to find and cost way to much for one bullet. Now 6 months ago I was able to go to the gun store and get what i wanted in the way of amo. Now it not only cost tons to get my amo, but I just cant go to any gun store to buy what I need for my guns.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

Everyone who read a single word past “it is said by Kenyan sources” raise your hand.

Everyone who read a word past that, get up and leave the room. Go get some fresh air. Come back when you're thinking straight. No one in their right mind would believe that any Obama-trashing troll on this website has the foggiest idea where Kenya is, let alone what anyone in Kenya said about jack shit.

Next.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

No, here try this for starters. This is real, and these Obama drones are denying it.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23736254/


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

Well, now, I don't think it's scary at all. I think Biden is brilliant, and I agree with a lot (though not all) of what he has to say (though he's no Jesse Ventura, that's for sure).

I don't ask that you agree with me, and I'm pretty sure I won't agree with you. Frankly, I think it's pretty scary that anyone would want Mike Huckabee to be president when his #1 issue is abortion, and it seriously freaks me out that anybody believes Sarah Palin is even remotely qualified to be dogcatcher (to paraphrase “good ole Biden”). But that's just a political disagreement. We have a different worldview.

I get that you were joking, dude, but seriously… with all the shit that has been thrown at people on the left for the last few, um, decades, all the smears of un-Americanism and whatnot, I just get a very bad taste in my mouth when those kinds of things are said, even as jokes.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

You think you might have an easier time if you tried spelling “ammo” correctly?


cathy
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

It is said by Kenyan sources? What sources? And where is the proof of what they say?

In fact, where is the proof of any of this garbage?


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

You didn't answer my question Chuck, what do you really want?


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-20…


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

I actually liked Obama as a person, but I quickly have learned there is far more to him than most people are willing to research.

ITS A $12 BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!!!!! SHOW IT TO US!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

WHY SHOULD WE BELIEVE YOU? WHO ARE YOU? WHY SHOULD WE TAKE YOUR WORD OVER THE STATE OF HAWAII? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF? ALL YOU HAVE IS BS!! WHERE IS YOURS? HOW DO WE KNOW THAT YOU ARE NOT PAID BY THE GOP TO SPREAD THIS BS?? WHAT ARE YOUR CREDENTAILS? WHATS YOUR EDUCATION? WHY WOULD ANYONE FROM THE STATE OF HAWAII TALK TO YOU? DID YOU RECORD THE CONVERSATION? WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

Hey, “9/11 truth”-ers and furries need somebody to look down on.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

admitedly you have done little research or you would know where its at.


brb915
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

…what is it with Kansas? The home of the Westboro Baptist church, home of Tiahart, who claims the President's late mother woulda had an abortion if it had been 'free', now we have this asshat Kobach. WHo are you people? I agree with the poster about McCain—not born within the 50, but the crickets are chirping on that side—ya'll just keep on keeping on and wait until the 20%Southern White Party shrinks to nuttin, and the world can then rejoice.


arvid
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

John McCain was born in a territory — so he can't be a citizen.
Sen Tom Coburn — of Ricky Ricardo slur fame —- shouldn't be a citizen. Oklahoma was a territory .
Stefan Cook — PS was also fired from his job a s a govt defense contractor.


arvid
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

John McCain was born in a territory — so he can't be a citizen.
Sen Tom Coburn — of Ricky Ricardo slur fame —- shouldn't be a citizen. Oklahoma was a territory .
Stefan Cook — PS was also fired from his job a s a govt defense contractor.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Yes brendand, I plan to do something about it. I have called and called and called, faxed used snail mail. I get nothing. No one wants to hear me. No one on the hill is listening. The tea party's, remember those? Closed ears on the tea party's. So guess what. I have gotton off my butt and no to the drugs or pills that I dont need to take. I am now doing more. I watch Glenn Beck, and all the others. I found out the white house or the people on the hill dont want to hear from me. So I have joined many others and will do my best to VOTE out congress.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

AND?? THAT PROVES WHAT EXCATLY?


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

This is an obvious liberal attack, a young liberal attacking someone over mispelling. Lame


painbodyII
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Again, you need to stop hating and stop having apoplexy that an African-American, Barak Obama is the president of the USA. Look in your mirror if you have one please and smile and acknowledge that the majority of your fellow Americans voted in someone who can read and write and speak his native language. You are dunces of the 1st order and you are bound with ancient hate. You are deceitful and lie to yourself everyday. God bless you and keep you safe and secure in his love.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

That your just a gullible Obamabot.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Where do you draw the line, Wiley? Should I be able to drive at whatever speed I want? Should I be able to get as intoxicated as I want and get behind the wheel? Should I be able to buy whatever I want from a drugstore, including, say, heroin and ketamine? Should the government just stay the eff out of my personal business so I can discipline my kids the way I choose, even if that means beating the absolute shit out of them?

Lines have to be drawn in civilized society. I'm not saying people should take all your guns, or whatever your weapons are, away. But for what could you possibly need, say, a Kalishnikov? If we should be able to get whatever from the local Gun Hut, shouldn't I be able to buy grenades if I want to? And then, if we're going forward with this doing what we want, shouldn't I be able to use them anytime, anywhere I want to?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Well I have recieved so much email from so many of you guy's its going to take me some time to do catch up. I will delete the ones who do the name calling and sift thru what I can.

GEEEZZZZZ


kgvanderhoff
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Time to take off your foil hat now. I love the “It is said by Kenyan sources”. Now that is definate proof.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

I'm young?


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

That your just a gullible Obamabot. LOL!


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

HAHAHAHAHA YEAH OK HAHAHA HEY NURSE NURSE TIME TO CHANGE HIS DIAPER AND GIVE HIM HIS MEDS HAHAHAHA GLEN BECK HAHAHAHAHAH DAMN HE DOSE ATTRACT THE DUMB ONES DON'T HE HAHAHAHAHA


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

First of all, I'm no Obama drone. There's a difference between supporting a candidate and being all goopy for him/her.

But more than that, I'm with Stupidity — what does your article about the passport breaches prove?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:49 pm

YEAH WE HAVE A WAR ON STUPID NO TEETH REDNECKS AND THE LINE STARTS WITH YOUR DUMBA**


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:49 pm

Do YOU know “where its [sic] at?”

Also, do you know how to use contractions?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:49 pm

No I have not served in the military. My Father, Unckes, brother's and both my children have.
I hope I raised good kids and they vote there way to.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

Well, its damn fishy. We can just let the people decide for themselves.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

If it IS somehow proven, dude, Biden doesn't become a “temporary president,” he becomes THE PRESIDENT. A new election can be called for all y'all want, but it won't happen. Presidential elections happen every four years. If a president dies, is impeached, or invokes the 25th Amendment, the vice-president takes over. That's why we have an order of succession.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

See, people, they will attack you for common punctuation errors when they have nothing else.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-20…


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

that splains it Lucy PU**Y


akarmenia1
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

Just can't have a political debate without calling the evil Republicans racists, can we? Please explain to me what about demaning a birth certificate is racist? The debate was just as fierce about John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Territory, and he is white as can be.

Let's have intelligent conversation and not just boil everything down to race.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

Re: “what does your article about the passport breaches prove?”

When I was a little kid, I saw people playing chess. Until I actually learned the game, I would “play chess” by moving pieces and saying “Check!” (I was four or five years old.)

So I recognize the same process among kooks. They see somebody hold up a sheaf of papers and say, “This proves it!” and they think those are the two elements of proving things, a bunch of documents and a declaration.

They never seem to catch on to the idea that the documents have to actually contain stuff that has relevence to their assertions.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

We did, last November.


Edward Baum
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

The 'birthers' are just trash consumed by hate, smugness, and deep ignorance.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

Since your so good with the english language, do you know what Executive Order 13489 says? Yea, didnt think so.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

This is so typical of birfers… ask them for proof or a cite and they get all huffy and tell you to “do your own research” and such.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

This seems to be in question. I am not a repub and I am not a dem.. I refuse to vote for the people on the hill to shut dont or slow down me. I want growth, and a job. I want to be able to pay my bills and put food on the table. i am not a dem or a repub


Ricardo
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

If you think Obama isn't legitimate to be in the White House, stop doing chickens**t stuff like writing blogs about it and go down to DC and drag him out of his office. Just let me know when you will do this so I can set my TIVO.

I mean, come on! Just drop the bag of chips, get out of mom's basement and ACT. Christ on a crutch!


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:54 pm

LOL, good job with that!


kevinschmidt
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

It doesn't matter if Obama is or is not a U.S. citizen. WE THE PEOPLE have spoken. Collectively and in general consensus, WE THE PEOPLE are the supreme sovereign legal and legislative authority in the U.S.

It is true that the U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the U.S. However, WE THE PEOPLE, collectively and in general consensus have the power to over rule the Constitution any time we want. In fact, there are at least five incidences in our history when men were elected to Congress and were sworn into Congress before they reached the legal age set forth in the Constitution, which is 25 for the House, 30 for the Senate, and 35 for the presidency.

How was this possible? As I said before, WE THE PEOPLE, collectively and in general consensus are the supreme sovereignty in the U.S. and therefore have the legal right to elect anyone we want into office, regardless of their age, and in the case of the presidency, regardless of their citizenship.

WE don't need the permission from the White House, Congress or the Supreme Court because we are the boss of them. They are not the boss of us. We can do anything we want, collectively. They have to do everything we say, if only WE THE PEOPLE would stop being wee the sheeple.

Either way, don't get any bright ideas, Ahnold. You'll never be president.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

No, I think you should totally rely on Rachel Maddow and Kieth Olberman. DORK!


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

I googled “obama birth certificate” and got 1,780,000 results

I googled “john mccain birth certificate” and got 220,000 results.

so I don't think it was “just as fierce.”


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

YEAH OK HAHAHAHA WHAT A PUTZ AHAHAHA


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

brendad, now you have no common sense. You should be an adlut and I am sure you can use common sense?


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

We the people will drag his ass out of that ofice also.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

In that case, YOU take responsibility for the continuing decline in our economy. YOU take responsibility with socialism. YOU take responsibility for government expanding its hand into our lives. YOU must be so proud of yourself.

Oh and YOU put Joe Gaffe Biden as second in command. Nice job YOU


LittleSanityLeft
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

It proves absolutely nothing. Nothing at all. I think this whole Obama is a secret Muslim/not a natural born citizen stuff should be a litmus test for chemical sterilization.

I've seen Obama's birth certificate, it was given many months ago in hopes of shutting up the conspiracy theorists but alas these folks are morons and just can't let this one go.


hoolaboo
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

I am so glad I don't belong to the same party as these loons. With so many legitimate issues that they could have focused on, they pick a fantasy conspiracy theory to waste their energy on.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Wait a tic, Wiley… How does watching Glenn Beck help your cause?

It doesn't — any more than watching Keith Olbermann helps a gasbag liberal's. Watching one guy on TV (or many guys on TV) is just one thing you're doing. How about listening to the other side?

You know what I do, Wiley? I read. A lot. I mean, a LOT a lot. I read progressive sites. I read conservative sites. I read middle-of-the-road sites. I read magazines. I read journals. I read published accounts from think-tanks. And you know what? It confuses the hell out of me. But at least I keep informed. If you're watching Glenn Beck, and that's what you believe to be your contribution, you're further gone than I'd feared.

And so far as sending mail and making calls… dude, that doesn't prove diddly shit. Anybody with half a brain can send an e-mail (as this board itself proves). If you want something to change, organize it yourself!

You say, “Guess what. I have gotten off my butt and no to the drugs or pills that I dont need to take.” We'll set aside your brazen misuse of the rules of grammar there and get to the main point: What the hell does that prove? You say, “I have joined many others and will do my best to VOTE out congress.” Well, you can't “vote out congress,” though you can vote out your representative and help GOTV efforts in other districts. But what good will that do? Democrats and Republicans in the House and Senate are really not extraordinarily far apart. Oh, sure, you get your wingnuts on either side, and sometimes it seems like they're way far apart. But frankly, most of them are just posturing (hello, Eric Cantor).

So in summation, I ask you again: What are you doing to change this country?


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

No, I think you can't remember what goofball website you read something on.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

Obama will be removed by this fall.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

WHERE IS YOURS JETHRO? WHAT ARE YOU A DOUBLE NAUGHT SPY NOW??


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

YEAH OF WANNA EXPLAIN HOW?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

In fact, I do. Don't presume I don't know things, or that I can't do a simple frakking Google search.

More importantly, do you actually know what it means? And do you know the difference between PRESIDENTIAL records and PERSONAL records?

Yeesh.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

What fall? You're threatening to jump out of a plane onto him?


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

No teeth rednecks, thats what you got? Man your a hateful little SOB. Even your name is hateful. Most people dont act like you do.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

GO FOR IT!!! PLEASE GO!! MAKE SURE THAT YOU YELL TO THE TOP OF YOUR LUNGS AND LET EVERONE KNOW YOU ARE COMING!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAH ALL MOUTH NO BRAINS HAHAHAHAHA


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

k.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

REALLY WHN ALL INDICATORS ARE SHOWING THAT THE ECONOMY ARE COMING BACK AFTER THE REPUBLICANS PUT US AT THE BRINK!! YOU REALLY ARE A DUMBASS


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

Its an invalid election, man, like a bunch of 4th graders got political all the sudden.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

ALL MOUTH NO BALLS


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

Why do you presume to know anything about me?

And yes, I will attack you for common punctuation errors. If it's common, then that means it's probably pretty easy to avoid, too.

And even if I am, “young and gullible,” it's better than being obtuse, and it's a heckuva lot better than being ignorant of the rules of grammar.

But I ask again, since you didn't answer my question: Where are the Kenyan sources? Can you provide them? Because the burden of proof is on you, since you made the assertion. I don't have to provide anything; President Obama has already made my argument for me.


strangely_enough
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

Are you taking responsibility for Bush and Cheney?


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

Pssst … He's over there. I've made no assertion concerning anybody's dental situation.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

Not a lot different that waht happened to President Manuel Zelaya of Honduras.


strangely_enough
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Secret Service beat down addled Birther at White House. Film at eleven.

I need popcorn for this one.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Um, no. In the unlikely event that your crazy-ass conspiracy theory could be proven to be true, that wouldn't change the order of succession. There wouldn't be a special election. The election also could not be shown to be invalid because the Electoral College has already validated President Obama's victory.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

that joke was so bad


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Wheres the original BC?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Are you saying that you believe there will be a military coup in this country?

Because if there is, I absolutely, 100% guarantee you that anyone who participates in such a coup will be tried for — and convicted of — treason.

I sincerely hope you aren't actively ADVOCATING a coup.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Man, you need to chill.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

Wiley, to what are you refering?


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

No, i just want to see the Original BC first, then I will totally support the pres within reason.


kevinschmidt
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

You must be illiterate.

Let me repeat myself.

WE THE PEOPLE collectively and in general consensus are the supreme sovereign legal and legislative authority in the U.S.

How in the world can you possibly interpret that as being me singularly (YOU)?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

“i am not a dem or a repub”

Neither are a lot of us. What's your point?


strangely_enough
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

If only you all had shown this much interest in Bush TANG records and Cheney's Energy Task Force and maybe some of the laws broken the last eight years you might not have to deal with “the horror” of an Obama presidency.
Unintended consequences are a bitch, ain't they?


bswebsite
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

Typical, ignorant coward.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:09 pm

Well, you provide so many straight lines, and I'm just not into all-caps yelling, so I go with what I know.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

Try and turn your caps off you dumb drone.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

WHERE IS YOUR DEPENDS?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

SO WHAT ARE YOU SAYING BILLY BAD ASS?


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

Yea, if Bush did somthing illegal I say get his ass and throw him in jail with Obama, this is my country also.


zonnadcowell
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

My unedited comments would not be fit to print. This is the absolutely most wasteful, ridiculous, stupid, idiotic bunch of bull*&^* that I have ever heard. What is wrong with those people. I say get a life, give it up, you are totally and completely crazy. You are so transparent in your racism and your prejudice against our president. I have no doubt that Obama is a US citizen. How crazy would anyone have to be to try to become president if they were not. I can't believe that some of the people pushing this issue are well educated people. The rest of them are either crazy, uneducated or just plain stupid!!!! PLEASE just shutup.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

fail


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

See, I'm fine with bullet control. If you have to pay a lot for your bullets, maybe you'll use them more wisely and not waste them.

You said earlier that you just want to be able to provide for your family. So why waste your money on bullets and guns and other weapons? I, personally, would want to ensure that there was a roof over my family's head, plenty of food for them to eat, a car to commute for both them and me, plenty of gifts at Christmas and birthdays, etc. Isn't that more important than hitting up the gun store and spending loads of money there?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

ALREADY HAS VERIFIED BY HAWAII CASE CLOSED….NEXT


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

YEAH THATS WHAT YOUR MAMA SAID


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Hang on a second. You invoked Zelaya specifically. Why do you think that if your expansive demands are not met, President Obama will meet with the same fate?

And I will again remind you that the United States Constitution says NOTHING about providing an “original birth certificate,” or a birth certificate of any kind. All it says is that one must be a natural-born citizen.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

What did Obama do that was illegal, again?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

YOU THE ONE THATS RUNNING YOUR MOUTH PUNK BACK IT UP!! SHOW US HOW BIG YOUR BALLS ARE OR YOU JUST A BIG MOUTH PU**Y??


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

You obviously dont understand the mindset of a typical politician, it's a power grabbing f*** fest for these people. The guy is killing the economy for the purpose of more control. It has happened many times before. Google ” October Revolution”. USSR


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

Last I heard, in Hawaii. Why don't you go over and check? I'm sure you could do some sweet sightseeing while you're there. Maybe you could even learn to surf.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

Dude, I'm really not sure that makes any sense.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

I use weapons on my job. I have to make sure I hit the target and I keep up with this matter. I live by my guns and my job. I dont waste any bullets as you say I do. I protect me and others that could be in harms way.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

So are you an anarchist then?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

YOU NEED A EDUCATION


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

please explain you genious


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

YEAH JUST LIKE YOUR STUPID ASS PUNK


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

I didn't say you waste bullets. But you do realize that if you use bullets in your job, if your job itself doesn't pay for it (meaning you have to pay for it yourself), then you get any and all taxes you spend on them back, right? I don't really understand your point, then.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

yea man, you got me. good job for a drone.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

HAHAHA YEAH LIKE YOU ARE THE ONE AND ONLY AHAHAHAHA KEEP THINKING THAT OK????


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

Apparently so do you, dude. “An.” “AN education.”

If you're going to insult somebody's education, please don't show the deficiencies in your own. It sets us all back.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

The quality of kook conspiracy theories has really deteriorated over the years. Back when I was a kid, we had “Paul is dead!” THAT was a fun one, and impossible to disprove (the claim was that the “Paul” we were seeing was an imposter.)

The “birther” theory requires the ability to be shown a document, and then to immediately deny the document exists.

That's way too much work!


austex_lightbeam
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

At some point, President Obama is going to have to pick out a couple of particularly egregious “birthers” and have the White House legal council sue them for libel. After having won a couple of lawsuits, Obama will be able to make the birthers shut the f^©% up via imminent threat of being next in the losing libel-suit-queue facing US White House council lawyers. Get some teeth Mr. President.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

WHAT THE HELL IS GENIOUS?? THAT MEAN THAT YOU ARE FU**ING STUPID. THAT MEANS YOU MAKE NO SENSE THAT MEANS YOU NEED TO SEE SOMEONE BECAUSE YOU ARE EASILY MIND SCREWED. NEED HELP WITH THE BIG WORDS BOBBY BOUCHER?


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

You use weapons on your job, but you can't spell “ammo”?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

Wait, I'm a drone? I think it's a perfectly legitimate question. (By the way, I don't begrudge you if you are an anarchist, so long you're not violent about it.) You said, “You obviously dont understand the mindset of a typical politician, it's a power grabbing f*** fest for these people.” So if that's the case, I can only presume you don't trust any politician. Is that true? If it is, then I would make the logical leap to say what I said. If it's not true, then how can you vote for any politician, since they're all so power-hungry?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

I do get a kick back on my schooling of what ever it is. Most of my supplies are paid for. I go every 4 months to school or classes. I am paid for most.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

Folks, this guy above me is a typical liberal f***tard drone, most likely in his/her early 20's.
As you can see, typically, they think they are smarter than most people, and anyon who questions the Kenyan Pres is just a total idiot. Make up your own minds, and make sure you have plenty of ammo.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Y'know, it'd be awfully nice if we could be civilized and not resort to this kind of crap. Do you have anything legitimate to say? If not, that's cool, but then please do us all a favor and shut the hell up. If you DO have something to contribute, then we'd all love to hear it. Swear to God we would.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

TYPING FAST AND DROPPED THE N


zonnadcowell
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Oh my God!! I have better things to do then respond to trash. If you have something really valuable to say I would be surprised. So Long.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Yea, get some teeth and show us the real original BC.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

GUESS IT'S NOT HELPING MUCH HUH?


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

Damn, your way too old for this then.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

Re: “Folks, this guy above me …”

Great. Now you've treated us to the mental image of you two having sex.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

WHERES YOUR PROOF? ALL I SEE IS YOU RUNNING YOUR MOUTH JETHRO


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

the word amo is ammo, so you did get the point, right?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

So then why are you complaining about the cost of guns/ammo? You're not the one paying for it.

Or did I misunderstand you?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

ALREADY HAVE…NEXT


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

Sometimes a grownup is bound to drop by, if only to point and laugh.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

WHAT YOU GONNA DO WITH IT EXCEPT BLEED IN THE STREET?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

They are under the mistaken impression that he is a Kenyan citizen, or that Article II says something different than what it says.

Good catch though.


kelleyye
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

FAIL, thats just wrong. See; Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857)


austex_lightbeam
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Your paranoia is exceeded only by your disinformed perspective.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

I am not complaining, I was telling you it is so much harder to get amo, yes AMO. got it?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

Why, again? I still don't understand why you need to see it.

I'm not being facetious. The Constitution does not require a birth certificate be shown. In fact, it doesn't require “proof” of any kind. To say that it does imbues implied powers into the Constitution. Usually, conservatives are against that, maintaining that one must do a strict reading of the Constitution and not imply any kind of extraordinary power to it.

So which is it?


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

A round of applause for AlcheMiss!!! Thanks for great post.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

Well, no, I don't. I still don't understand why it's so much harder. Is it economically harder? If not, considering no laws have been changed with regards to weapons since the new Congress (since the Executive does not have the power to make laws) took session, I don't really understand why it would be any harder for you to get ammunition for your weapons, particularly if you're using them for your work.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

LMAO! Too funny…..


wiig
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:35 pm

There is another difference between Obama and God, God is not an American!


dlane001
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

Can somebody explain to me why the birthers are clamoring for the president's birth certificate when he's already produced it, and when the state of birth has verified it is accurate and authentic? Is it because they refuse to accept the word of the lawfully appointed State of Hawaii official in charge of birth records?

This confuses me. Not sure I understand the rationale behind these repeated requests.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

Abbott Medical Optics?
American Maritime Officers?
American Motors Owners Association?

Those are its English usages, as acronyms.

Then there's:
Bosnian

Adverb

amo

1. hither, here
2. this way

Synonyms

* amoder
* ovamo

Catalan

Noun

amo m. (plural amos)

1. owner (of a piece of land or real estate, a business, etc.)
2. master

Chickasaw

Verb

amo

1. to mow

Classical Nahuatl

Particle

amo

1. Alternative spelling of ahmo.

Croatian

Adverb

amo

1. hither, here
2. this way

Synonyms

* amoder, ovamo, simo

Esperanto

Noun

amo (plural amoj, accusative singular amon, accusative plural amojn)

1. love

Galician

Verb

amo

1. first-person singular present indicative of amar.

Hawaiian

Verb

amo

1. carry (on the shoulders)

Italian

Etymology 1

Latin h?mus

Noun

amo m. (plural ami)

1. hook

Etymology 2

Latin am?

Verb form

amo

1. first person singular present tense of amare

Latin

Etymology

Probably from a lost nursery-word of the papa-type. Cf. amita (“‘aunt’”), Old High German amme (“‘nurse’”).

Pronunciation

* (Classical) IPA: /?a.mo?/

Verb

present active am?, present infinitive am?re, perfect active am?v?, supine am?tum.

1. I love.
* Plautus

Tu me amas, ego te amo.

You love me and I love you.

2. I am fond of.
3. I am under obligation to; I am obliged to.
4. (with infinitive) To enjoy, be accustomed.


alwaysforhillary
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

You know all these so called conspiracy theories could go away in a second. All Obama would have to do is show is REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. THe one where the doctor's name is listed, weight of baby, etc. WHY has Obama fought all these lawsuits? Why not show his birth certificate? Also, WHY are his school records, passport records, and medical records all SEALED? There is very little we KNOW about Obama except what he tells us. In his book, he says he was born in one hospital, but then he writes a letter to another hospital saying he was born there. The thing is when you tell the TRUTH, you don't have to worry about remembering the lies!!!


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

Wrong. The law states:

If only one parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of ones birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which must be after the age of 16

O's mother was only 18 and could NOT pass US citizenship on to him. Thanks for playing.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:39 am

Let me get this straight. A man who is a constitutional law scholar would willfully lie about his country of birth to be elected President. Too funny.

Much as I abhor Sarah Palin, I never put much credence in the rumors that Trig was her grandson, either.

You Repugs are really, really reaching.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:39 am

Let me get this straight. A man who is a constitutional law scholar would willfully lie about his country of birth to be elected President. Too funny.

Much as I abhor Sarah Palin, I never put much credence in the rumors that Trig was her grandson, either.

You Repugs are really, really reaching.


mike
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Since when does hammity ever go weith the truth? You know, all these idiots are the sames one who defended the SC decision to illegally stop the Fla. vote count and made bush president. These are the same one who decry judicial activism, except when it fits their cause. Losers, one and all.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Where are all (?) of you coming from? Seriously, most TWI articles get two or three comments at most; this current has 1122. Did DailyKos tell you to come here? MoveOn? The Great Xenu? I'd really like to know.

Meanwhile, I spoke to Weigel's quote source, and if you haven't already read about what she said, click here.


dlane001
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Wait wait. Don't say it! Let me guess: Obama is stealing your ammo? Obama introduced legislation to raise taxes on ammo? Obama introduced a tax on all weapons?

Something like that, right?

Let's forget for a moment that no such legislation exists (the emails you're getting about it are false), Obama didn't introduce any such legislation, and no such tax exists. Read FactCheck before you believe all these nutjob emails you get. Whew!


murray19
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

You seriously do not know that the abbreviation for ammunition is “ammo?” kwiley, please go back to the shootin' range or the readin' book. Take your time.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

I go thru 100 to 500 rounds for my test. In some cases i have had to buy my own amo. In other cases its paid for. I dont carry company issued. I carry what I want to carry. 6 months ago I was going to the gun store for my bullets. It is just simply harder to find bullets. Now why is that? We have the right to carry. I live in a open carry state. I can buy what ever gun I want to but it is just harder for some odd reason to get the bullets to match my guns. I use my gun for work and another gun for back up. The two different guns I use for my job, I am having a harder time finding bullets. It seems like the control on weapons is slipping thru the back door.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

Uhhhhhh… what does Dred Scott have to do with anything? Obama's mother was from Kansas. Where do you think she gave birth to him?

And if it wasn't Hawaii, that still wouldn't necessarily matter. The qualifications are that one parent was a U.S. citizen when he was born; and that the parent lived in the US for at least five years, at least two of which had to be after her fourteenth birthday.

The Dred Scott decision has nothing to do with it. Besides, most of it was annulled by the Fourteenth Amendment anyways.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

Uhhhhhh… what does Dred Scott have to do with anything? Obama's mother was from Kansas. Where do you think she gave birth to him?

And if it wasn't Hawaii, that still wouldn't necessarily matter. The qualifications are that one parent was a U.S. citizen when he was born; and that the parent lived in the US for at least five years, at least two of which had to be after her fourteenth birthday.

The Dred Scott decision has nothing to do with it. Besides, most of it was annulled by the Fourteenth Amendment anyways.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

It's because an electronic copy was released over the internet by an Obama campaign official. Hawaiian officials refuse to release an original hardcopy because O won't authorize it. All O has to do is to tell Hawaiian officials to open all records and this issue goes away. Unless there is something damaging in those records which, it is speculated, is why O won't authorize them being released.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

The state of HI has never once verified that what's shown on BHO's site matches what they have on file. Seriously, do yourself a favor and read their actual statement.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

But life without unfounded rumors is so BORING!

And you can believe that, because you just read it on the Internet!


Ann Hedonic
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

These individuals are traitors. They are openly rebelling against the legally-elected president.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

Dude, I enjoy pointing out grammatical and linguistic errors with the best of 'em… but this one's just a dick move.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

Re: “In some cases i have had to buy my own amo”

Love is seldom free.

So, what do you think the magazine “Guns & Ammo” is about, anyway?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

The bullets I use are not on the shelves of many gun stores.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

Yeah, technically. But they're doing so in such an ineffectual manner, they're not worth prosecuting.

They're just free entertainment.


redx2_wine
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:46 pm

Have you seen McCain's or Bush's original BC. This is ridiculous. When I got my first passport it required a birth certificate as ID, the president has a passport if he used anything other than the his birth certificate the records should show it as well. And by the way did McCain produce an authenticated copy of his birth certificate. Have you birthers actually seen his. Is it posted somewhere. Surely you can provide me with that.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

Sometimes i pay up front and sometimes i dont. I do get my right offs for taxes at the end of the year.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

Oh c'mon, Ann. They're not traitors, at least not any more than people were traitors for saying that President Bush was illegitimate. They're just pushing nonsense issues because they can't raise any legitimate ones; plus, they're being preyed upon by power-hungry imbeciles within the conservative media establishment, folks who're doing amazingly well in a shitty economy because, well, they can still sell books and get advertising money when doted on by angry white males.

It's a bit much for me to call them traitors, though, until they start advocating for or participating in acts of terror against our country.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

yes its ammo. I will use amo with your blessing or without.


waynel28
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:48 pm

Conspiracy theorists for the most part are harmless and the majority of them have mental health issues. No harm.. Let them be.


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

Well I get worried when an armed man can't even spell a basic colloquial abbreviation of the tools of his job. If his claims are correct, he sees this word EVERY DAY.

And yet he's allowed to carry a gun.

(I'm making the assumption that he's male.)


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

Perhaps you should talk to your local government, Wiley, about the bullets, or maybe ask somebody at your local gun shop. The federal government hasn't done a thing to restrict and/or prohibit your right to bear arms; it must be either a state or local issue. Or maybe it has something to do with the economy, I don't know. Please keep in mind that the economy has worsened over the last six months, so maybe the reason you can't find bullets is because your local supplier can't afford them anymore.

If you have to buy your own ammo in ANY case, I'd suggest you talk to your employer and see why that is. And besides that, you can still write off the taxes.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

Guns and amo is a good book, ooops there I go again. i hope i didnt blow your mind again. hmm a-m-o


kb345
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

The 14th Amendment defines citizenship this way: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.” But even this does not get specific enough. As usual, the Constitution provides the framework for the law, but it is the law that fills in the gaps.

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

* Anyone born inside the United States *
* Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
* Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
* Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
* Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
* A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

Hey, I don't completely disagree. But seriously, that thing is long as hell.

(Yeah, yeah, I know she said that, but she sure wasn't talking to me — self-deprecation five!)


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

You're on the interwebs now… didja try purchasing them online? You might be able to find them for a cheaper rate, too.


fields4ever
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

how old are you and where were you born? birth certificates vary by state, county and hospital. the days of personalized onion skin birth certificates with little inked baby feet is long gone for many of us. my kids, born at a Kaiser Permanente hospital in Los Angeles in the 1980s and 90s, got the County birth certificate that says nothing about the doctor, the baby's weight, or even the hospital where they were born. and that is acceptable documentation to get a passport and a security clearance, so get over it.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

Te amo tambien, Wiley.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

brendand, I have literally no idea what novel and disjointed explanation kwiley will give you.

but I can tell you what the Republican talking point is. they're going around saying that “since everyone is so afraid that Obama is gonna take away their guns and rip up the Second Amendment, there's been a run on ammunition in gun stores as gun owners try to buy all that they can while it's still legally available.”

It's not true at all. You can, if for some indecipherable reason you feel you need to, legally and rather easily purchase more than enough ammunition to meet any need you have for it.

There is no shortage.

It's just a talking point to get the gun-toting constituency of the right wing (and, to the extent they can, the left wing) scared into voting Republican, and more to the point, to get the political chattering class to say things like “Does the run on ammunition mean Obama is losing touch with working-class white voters, who are clinging to their guns and ammunition?” and other such nonsense.

I am sure kwiley has heard it. I would bet that kwiley has not been affected by it. I doubt kwiley owns any guns. Any gun owner I've ever met knows that “amo” is a meaningless bit of gibberish while “ammo” is what you put in a gun.

I have yet to find one credible statement from kwiley but she is attacking our President in vile ways, while pretending to be seeking what's good for America.

What is good for America is for you to acknowledge the truth when it is publicly-available. What part of “certified as authentic by the State of Hawaii” or “he is a citizen if his mother is a citizen” do you not understand, you know?

The whole birther thing just divides the country and creates needless rancor and hard feelings at a time when large issues need to be worked out and in fact are hanging delicately in the balance. I have a lot of older relatives and a lot of friends. I don't want to see them have inadequate health care for a day longer than they have to, and certainly not because some racist jerks filed bogus lawsuits to challenge the President's citizenship just as a means of trying to throw his Administration off stride so that it cannot achieve anything positive FOR AMERICA.

That is not a concern for truth. That is not patriotism. That is not defensible. That is madness. So every time someone spews that nonsense I will shut it down as best I can by pointing out its inherent absurdity.


murray19
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.

Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other.

Some Obama critics claim he was not born in the United States


just john
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

I confess to excess length in that. I wish there was something along the lines of an LJ cut, in which most of it could be hid under a “There's More” tag.

I'll try not to do it again.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

All of us and the local government is having the same issue. We all are getting our amo from different places and can not go to our local gun stores for our needs. If I dont stay on top of it, i can run out of amo easy. I have to keep plenty on hand for this reason.


kb345
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Wrong! Read the Constitution!


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Yes I do buy on line and thru books and have some on BO, back order.


redmjoel
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

Actually regardless of what Obama does, they can't release it. State law and all.


chuckj
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

What? Um, there are plenty of legitimate issues to raise with this administration. Perhaps you should start paying attetntion. Obama has already spent more than any other president, he has and is pursuing an expansion of government into our personal lives, the economy is worse not better, we continue to lose jobs, he lied about transparency, he appointed lobbyists when he said he wouldnt, he appointed numerous tax cheats, he signed to close Gitmo with NO plan whatsoever on what to do with the prisoners, etc, etc, etc

The list goes on. So yes, there are PLENTY of legitimate things to gripe about with this administration. Oh, I left out, his Vice President continues to say the dumbest things imaginable. I know, i know. He is a democrat so the media lets him get away with it. But it doesnt change the fact that he says the idiotic things he does say.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

That's what she said.

(Sorry, I'm an ass, and I've been procrastinating on this site way too long.)


kevinschmidt
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:59 pm

Better read my comment from an hour ago.

It doesn't matter if he is a U.S. citizen or not, or if he is under 35. The election is final. WE THE PEOPLE have spoken. Congress has confirmed it. The Supreme Court has sworn him in.

U.S. citizen or not, Obama is our legal U.S. President for the next three and a half years, unless impeached, or removed from office, collectively by WE THE PEOPLE.


jimdonnelly
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Do Republicans think removing Obama will change the Democrat's policies? He is not a king or a dictator. If the Repubs. are wrong (they're on a roll now), they will appear to be more out for power and political gain than for the good of the country. Isn't this the reputation they are trying to shed?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

Well, then it's probably not that your guns and ammo are “disappearing,” per se. It's probably just the shitty economy that's negatively affecting your local retailer.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Well, um, welcome to having a job, dude. That's one of the pratfalls of having a job, having to plan in advance. If you can't find the right ammunition for the right weapon, though, you really ought to talk to your supervisor about perhaps changing the weapon to one which has more readily-accessible ammunition.

But really, this is all common sense stuff, I think. I still don't understand why any of this has a political implication.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

You could have just ended your post after the first three questions and it would pose just as intriguing a question.

Just saying. No offense meant. Except toward Republicans.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

Not if he's not eligible. Just illustrates that O supporters don't care about the rule of law.


fields4ever
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

this article was posted at Huffington Post – that's how I got here; curious about the headline


ScottPruden
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

Seriously, when Obama opens his records “this issue goes away”?
When your leader, George W. Bush, releases his National Guard records, then all my issues with his being a drug-addled, draft-dodging coward (just like Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney) will “just go away” as well.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:05 am

I’m sorry, chuck. You’ve already proven that you’re a doofus. You already proved you do not understand the decades of history of deficit spending in this country, and why deficit spending is essential but unpleasant in certain situations, like to head off the worst effects of a deep recession.

You just proved that you cannot discern sarcasm.

Now you are proving that you do not understand Reaganomics. See, we tried what you’re talking about. Starting in 1980. Even though in the primary debates that year, George H. W. Bush said to Reagan that his plan was “voodoo economics.” Poppy Bush is a POS for the Willie Horton ads (and for continuing to follow Reagan’s voodoo economics when in office) but he was right about trickle-down economics being a total scam for the rich.

You should be banned from ever trying to discuss what “common sense tells you.” Because you have no common sense.

But before you go back into hiding under your bridge (well, the government’s bridge), tell us, chuck, just for shits and giggles, what do YOU think the President should do, short of resign from office because you don’t like him? DO you have any sort of coherent economic philosophy that has actual application to this generation? Or do you just have a poorly-pieced-together grasp of discarded Republican talking-points from 1980 that haven’t been tried out since McCain left the campaign trail?

I bet I know which of those two it is.


Josh Schultz
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Obama ,

Just produce your real birth certficate .


wiig
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Given that Obama was born in Hawaii, any discussion is moot; however, Obama's mother was a US citizen who not only lived in the US for at least 5 years. Therefore, even if Obama had been born in another nation his mother's citizenship is sufficient to establish his citizenship. It is kind of funning putting all these nails in the coffin of a debate; however, this post clearly states how ludicrous this whole discussion is.

What are people trying to say, that his mother is not really his mother. I don’t think anyone is contending that she is not a US citizen. Therefore, it kind of makes me foolish even participating in a debate like this as there is nothing to debate.


kb345
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:06 pm

WE THE PEOPLE actually have very little to say about it. Our representatives, who we voted into the Senate and the House are the ones who act on our behalf. If “we” don't like something, the only thing “we” can do about it is let them know, and if you've ever tried to do that, it's pretty worthless!


trusslady
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

The state of Georgia has refused to recognize my birth certificate from Virginia because it does not have a “raised” seal. I guess after 50+ years of considering myself an American citizen, the birther's would say it is suspect.
By the way, it is only a “reproduction” of my birth certificate, because, like most states, they keep the original in it's storage facitlities. This prevents “birther” idiots from making changes to the original.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:08 am

Thank you for your insightful and timely post, Stephen.

It’s rare indeed to see such a cogently written summation of our current state of affairs anywhere, let a lone in a forum like this one which, regrettably, seems to attract all manner of hateful, bigoted freaks along with some of the saner and more rational elements of our society. I’d also like you to know that I share your concerns about the potential for any one of these scatterbrained, self-loathing underachievers to act on their demented impulses by lashing out with violent enthusiasm to visit their deluisional grievances on others (including our president) who don’t share their dangerously irrational view of the world.

It’s evil, isn’t it, how the sense of fear and ignorance that pervades this basest segment of our society is so cynically seized upon and exploited by so many politicians, pundits and other assorted blowhards who knowingly prod their reptilian brains and play them like a pinball machine for the sake of personal power and profit. The only recent exception I’d make in that regard is Sarah Palin, and that’s only because she herself appears to be the genuine article – a bona fide, malignantly narcissistic ignoramus with delusions of grandeur and a profound lack of self-awareness that manifests in a sociopathic sense of righteous pride and purpose. But I guess Palin did manage, however inadvertently, to smoke out the looniest, most deranged crackpots from the ditches you described and bring them up to the surface where their warped, racist ideology has now been exposed for all the world to see. So maybe she did us all a favor in that regard. After all, now that the nutjobs have been emboldened to scream out with a vengeance from the rooftops, at least it’s now possible to get a read on how many of them are out there, where they tend to be located, and when they tend to surface, as well as to assess with a reasonable degree of statistical probability the likelihood that any of them will take matters into their own hands by acting out.

It’s all quite disgusting, really, but none of it is without precedent in this world, I’m afraid. Indeed, all of this would seem to present a damning indictment of our educational system, and in any event I’m sure you’d agree that the kinds of “ideas” and “theories” advanced by the Birther lunatics evince a general erosion of propriety and respect for facts in our public discourse. Unfortunately, as you are undoubtedly aware, anyone who tries to reason with people like these is going to have a long row to hoe, as the very idea of what constitutes a “fact” is, in fact, fungible to those who retain a sense of absolte certainty about their non-falsifiable beliefs, no matter however delusional, fraudulent, and easily demolished by genuine true facts those beliefs might be.

Let’s just hope the concerns you have expressed are not so prescient that they constitute a harbinger of worse things to come.

Thank you again, Stephen. May you enjoy your weekend.

Sincerely,

Chimsect


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:08 am

Thank you for your insightful and timely post, Stephen.

It’s rare indeed to see such a cogently written summation of our current state of affairs anywhere, let a lone in a forum like this one which, regrettably, seems to attract all manner of hateful, bigoted freaks along with some of the saner and more rational elements of our society. I’d also like you to know that I share your concerns about the potential for any one of these scatterbrained, self-loathing underachievers to act on their demented impulses by lashing out with violent enthusiasm to visit their deluisional grievances on others (including our president) who don’t share their dangerously irrational view of the world.

It’s evil, isn’t it, how the sense of fear and ignorance that pervades this basest segment of our society is so cynically seized upon and exploited by so many politicians, pundits and other assorted blowhards who knowingly prod their reptilian brains and play them like a pinball machine for the sake of personal power and profit. The only recent exception I’d make in that regard is Sarah Palin, and that’s only because she herself appears to be the genuine article – a bona fide, malignantly narcissistic ignoramus with delusions of grandeur and a profound lack of self-awareness that manifests in a sociopathic sense of righteous pride and purpose. But I guess Palin did manage, however inadvertently, to smoke out the looniest, most deranged crackpots from the ditches you described and bring them up to the surface where their warped, racist ideology has now been exposed for all the world to see. So maybe she did us all a favor in that regard. After all, now that the nutjobs have been emboldened to scream out with a vengeance from the rooftops, at least it’s now possible to get a read on how many of them are out there, where they tend to be located, and when they tend to surface, as well as to assess with a reasonable degree of statistical probability the likelihood that any of them will take matters into their own hands by acting out.

It’s all quite disgusting, really, but none of it is without precedent in this world, I’m afraid. Indeed, all of this would seem to present a damning indictment of our educational system, and in any event I’m sure you’d agree that the kinds of “ideas” and “theories” advanced by the Birther lunatics evince a general erosion of propriety and respect for facts in our public discourse. Unfortunately, as you are undoubtedly aware, anyone who tries to reason with people like these is going to have a long row to hoe, as the very idea of what constitutes a “fact” is, in fact, fungible to those who retain a sense of absolte certainty about their non-falsifiable beliefs, no matter however delusional, fraudulent, and easily demolished by genuine true facts those beliefs might be.

Let’s just hope the concerns you have expressed are not so prescient that they constitute a harbinger of worse things to come.

Thank you again, Stephen. May you enjoy your weekend.

Sincerely,

Chimsect


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

An individual can release any records he wants to. He just has to authorize it.

Like John Kerry never authorized the release of his military records but we do have the results from Bush's dental exam (medical records) in 1972.


brendstarr
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

And again it becomes more evident that you just can't fix stupid….


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

And all that's needed is for someone to be able to go in and view that very same document for Obama.


kb345
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

But, he IS, as you can see from above! Even if he WASN'T born in Hawaii (which all proof points to that he WAS), you can see in the 7th asterisk:
* Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
IS a “Natural Born citizen”


Jacob Wong
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

I live in Hawaii and have for over fifty years. The real reason that Obama does not want to release his original birth certificate is because he doesn't have one. A few enlightened Hawaiins are aware of the truth as we have heard our elders tell it.
On the night and early morning Obama was supposedly born, Hickam Field airbase early warning technicians reported unidentified flying objects breaking into the atmosphere at over 10,000 mph. heading straight for the oahu. The objects slowed and were lost from radar on the northwest section of the island and were presumed to have hit the ground. Military units were dispatched, but did not arrive untill after the local village had rescued a man and an infant from the inferno which at the time was a sugar cane field. Both the man and the infant were described by the villagers as “Negroes” and were handed over to the military,but not before the man gave his name to the villagers. His name? Hombama.

It's the truth as unbeleivable as it sounds. Our President is a REAL alien.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

I said I can buy any gun that is in any gun store. The gun stores have guns. Lots of guns. Its the amo that is going away fast. I use to be able to go to any gun store and buy amo. Now I cant buy my amo at many gun stores.


josh525
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

the birther would not recognize my New york birth certificate it is old and the seal really weak florida won't take. i not a us citizen now can't get my licence to drive.


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

You can have those legitimate issues, Chuck. Those are legitimate political disagreements. But the birth certificate controversy is NOT among them, and that's what I thought this whole discussion was all about. Sorry if I was mistaken.

My point was that people are raising the birthright issue (which isn't really an issue at all) in lieu of actual issues. I raised this point before.

Amazingly (I know, this is going to blow your mind) I don't agree with everything President Obama has done. But I also feel the need to defend against this claim of otherness, this malarkey about where he was born, because it simply is not an issue, and it angers me that this type of crap is starting to seep into mainstream political discourse. This type of bullshit has NO PLACE in the House of Representatives (neither, by the way, do Biden's verbal gaffes, any more than President Bush's did). But some (though by no means all) of your issues SHOULD be. Those are the debates that SHOULD be taking place. But instead, we get nonsense issues like this, as well as the crap about Judge Sotomayor being a racist. It's sickening, and it's being perpetuated by one ideological viewpoint in an effort to score cheap political points with a bunch of chickenshit white folk who get knobby-kneed when a black guy in a sideways cap walks next to them on the sidewalk but who claim they believe in equality.

I'm no race-baiting Jesse Jackson (I've had to live my entire life with that asshole in my city), but I'm sick to death of the complexes of persecuted-feeling white males. I'm a white male, and I know from personal experience that I've had it a helluva lot easier than most people of color. That doesn't make affirmative action right (as CJ Cregg once said on The West Wing, I'm the wrong liberal to talk to about affirmative action), but neither does it mean that we shouldn't see things the way they really are. And what this crappy-ass manufactured controversy is based in is the worst kind of race-baiting from media moguls too busy lining their pockets to actually give a damn about the average working-class person.


wiig
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:14 pm

Yes, it was The Huffington Post that brought me here too.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

Wiley is no dude. I am female. all female. no dude here


wiig
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

Bingo!


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

As I said before, “It's probably just the shitty economy that's negatively affecting your local retailer.”

Once more I ask, what exactly does this issue have to do with politics? Or are you just venting?


brendand
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

Jacob, I applaud you. That is outstanding. ::claps, cheers::


kb345
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

It HAS BEEN produced ALREADY, Josh!
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

What part of “Congress has confirmed it” and “The Supreme Court has sworn him in” did you mistake as somehow being something other than the RULE OF LAW? Just illustrates that the birthers don't believe their own agonizingly insipid argument.

You expect us to believe that a “center-right nation” run by a Republican White House in a time of war would have a federal government just totally gloss over any detail, no matter how slight, that might have kept:

a BLACK man;

named Barack HUSSEIN Obama (a few years after Saddam was captured, no less);

whose pastor said God Damn America on endlessly-played loops;

OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE?

Come on. The FBI spied on MLK for crying out loud. If there was ANY shred of LEGAL basis to keep Barack Obama out of the White House based on the legitimacy of his birth certificate, then the Bush Justice Department would have checked the birth certificate EXTREMELY thoroughly during the FBI background check that all Presidential candidates undergo.

And news about the whole investigation would have leaked to Fox News in perfect time for the Sean Hannity hilarity hour.

If you say otherwise, you know that all you're doing is pretending.

And that is just one of the unfathomable logical leaps we are asked to take if we are to accept the premise of the Birthers' argument.

A bigger, even sillier one is that you have to assume, to take their view, that the State of Hawaii is not only involved in a massive conspiracy, but has been involved in that conspiracy since the day Barack Hussein Obama was born.

And to believe that, you have to believe that when he was born, the white and Pacific Islander staff at the hospital or City Hall had to see a black baby named Barack Hussein Obama being claimed by a white woman named Stanley and thought “let's risk our careers and our freedom from jail by making up a story about this kid's birth. We just know that little baby Barack is gonna be the first black President!” Let's fake a birth certificate for the little change-bringer!

And if you believe that, well, let's be honest, if you believe that then you're so f*cking dumb that I cannot be bothered to spend much time caring what else you believe.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

I follow both sides and do some reading. Also like doing searches on the net. I as a female like to see all of it and will make up my own mind. So if you dont mind, you get your head out of your ass and mabe you might smell the roses?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

I could be venting or looking to you people for advise or to see if there is a problem or not!


Saul
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

Limbaugh is a faggot


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:20 am

phoenixgwen, you forgot one crucial little detail.

Princeton University is also in on it. They locked up Michelle’s thesis in the same vault with the “Whitey do that?” video footage and the footage of Obama sitting in Reverend Wright’s church.

Sorry just figured we should tie up the loose ends. Carry on, and well-said.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:20 am

phoenixgwen, you forgot one crucial little detail.

Princeton University is also in on it. They locked up Michelle’s thesis in the same vault with the “Whitey do that?” video footage and the footage of Obama sitting in Reverend Wright’s church.

Sorry just figured we should tie up the loose ends. Carry on, and well-said.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

DAMN YOU ARE FU**ING STUPID! WHY SHOULD ANYONE BELIEVE YOU?


Sportster2005
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

The problem is easily solved. Obama can provide irrefutable proof he is a natural born U.S. citizen, and every nay sayer will have egg on their face. Seems a person who wants to lead the U.S. can find the courage to do that simple thing, if it's doable.


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

ALREADY HAS CASE CLOSED EXCEPT FOR STUPID PEOPLE SUCH AS YOURSELF


ccatl
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

Why do Republicans hate this country so much they would waste valuable time on a snipe hunt like this? Over the last 8 years they allowed this country to devolve into an economic nightmare and now they want to spend their time in office on this matter that has already been debunked? Every single one of them needs to be voted out of office.


jn2222
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Hey, when you've got nothing; make stuff up; start a rumor. Isn't that the Neo CONS way? Remember WMDs and Iraquis linked to 9-11; Even when the facts were right in front of their faces; they still lied and carried on rumors; why? Because they've got nothing; they have to lie and deceive because they have no ideas and couldn't win on merit. Faux News supports the rumors because they're Faux News; it's ratings and they cater to knuckleheads; make it up if you have to. The sad part about it is there are actual people who believe this crap; unbelievable. Something has to be done about our education system in America.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Who, except a pre-op transsexual, would ever feel the need to elaborate by saying that “she” is “all female?”

Wouldn't it have been persuasive enough to say “I'm a woman?”

Denying it multiple times as you did, you may have given away more than you intended.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

But, at least, if you are a woman, you could be more easily forgiven for not having the foggiest idea what the word “ammo” looks like on the printed page. Since, you know, you made the entire nonsensical spiel about running out of “amo” up out of whole cloth that you pulled straight out of your ass.

You don't own a gun any more than you own any of the stupid birther talking points you've regurgitated here today.

So whether you're female, all female, or “no dude here,” why not just go do some of that reading you keep telling us you do? Since you “like to see all of it,” you might start by looking at Obama's birth certificate. Look at it over and over. Especially at the part where it describes his race. Keep looking. It's not going to change magically before your eyes. And then say to yourself… “President…Barack…HUSSEIN…Obama.”

Welcome to the next 7 and a half years of your life, doll.


Saddemos
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

Very entertaining. Jacob Wong has the imagination of George Lucas but with the intelligence of Sponge Bob square pants


kb345
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

I have a hard time seeing where you're coming from when you talk about the VICE president saying dumb things, Not so long ago our PRESIDENT was the biggest idiot walking on 2 legs, and I'm not talking about Obama! You worry about the government expanding into our lives…. how quickly they forget the Patriot Act and the trillion dollar war that was begun on a pack of lies! Obama started off with a pile of crap left over from the worst president alive and in 6 months you expect miracles? What do you think John McCain would have done differently? Stop complaining and put on your reality goggles, what did you EXPECT to happen in 6 MONTHS????


socks22
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

“his Vice President continues to say the dumbest things imaginable.” Are you kidding me? Nobody has said more dumb things than Bush. Ever.
“he has and is pursuing an expansion of government into our personal lives.” Yeah, right. You never noticed that Bush and his minions broke all the laws by illegally spying on American citizens. Also, the fact that the Repugs are constantly trying to reverse the right to legal abortion in this country. Also, they continuously deny gays the right to get married. These are all huge expansions into people's personal lives. And there are a lot more. All you have to do is pull your head out of your ass and pay attention.


Robert Berke
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

He did it already. Pay attention. Prick!


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

In your dreams stephenperry. Only you with your type of sick mind would come up with that shit.
Stick that in your butt and spin off. Or can you read be tween the lines?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

No.

You “vent” about a bad day at work or an inattentive spouse. You do not continue to make aspersions about a wartime Commander-in-Chief's eligibility to serve his country without ANY credible reason for doing so and without citing ANY evidence to back up your ludicrous claim.

If you were looking for “advise” then you could have taken the advice you received right away, when people posted links to the irrefutable truth had you only cared to click on them.

You could “see if there is a problem or not” by putting “factcheck.org Obama birth certificate” into Google. No problem, no question. But that would not have satisfied you; you didn't even acknowledge it when people posted the relevant portions of the actual text cut and pasted from that factcheck site — a right-slanted site whose credibility cannot be questioned on this issue.

So none of what you say is in good faith. You went 0 for 3. Care to keep swinging?


Sportster2005
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

Some people don't value the law, only winning.  It's about integrity, something our Nation no longer cares about.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:37 am

What if this means without surgical intervention? What if it means without anesthesia of any kind? What if it means at home in your own bed. Please.

What do you think it means??? It means he was born the child of at least one citizen of the USA – nothing more, nothing less.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:37 am

What if this means without surgical intervention? What if it means without anesthesia of any kind? What if it means at home in your own bed. Please.

What do you think it means??? It means he was born the child of at least one citizen of the USA – nothing more, nothing less.


MadamDeb
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

I'm sure only a very small percentage of RepCons believe that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, but they're taking advantage of the (ridiculous) notion put forth by the “birthers” just to find some way to remove him from office. All they're going to do, as Republicans always seem to do, is waste taxpayers' money and everyone's time, spend less time on real issues, and display the Idiocy of the American Right, once again, to the rest of the world.

Looney-tunes.


Roger Rabbit
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

Screw you.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

Like i said, get your head out of your ass …forget that iam female…..forget about my spellinggggg…….and judge yourself…..how about proving me wrong. I believe you dont have any man size balls. Hell I just might have more than you do. Your just sick. keep dreamin and shit in the other hand. OOOPS might want to correct me again?


pdale
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

democrats may be the party of no ideas but REPUBLICANS ARE THE PARTY OF BAD IDEAS!!!(comedian:LEWIS BLACK!! ) We have an economy on the brink of disaster, due to WALL STREET'S EXCESSIVE GREED AND STUPIDITY AND congressmembers are introducing legislation about Obama's birth certificate??? Its amazing you people get paid to be stupid. We are involved in two wars spending over 2 billion a week, losing healthcare because of job losses, foreclosures for homeowners with no end in sight, and now commercial real estate will begin to unravel and CONGRESSMEMBERS ARE WORRIED IF OBAMA IS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN????


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Thank you for the kind words, Chimsect, and also for the analysis you contributed.

I agree that the way the right wing exploits the basest fears of its base is dangerous, sad, and predictable.

And I think you make a great point about Palin drawing the scum to the surface. She certainly brings out the scary element of the party. I think of her like a blacklight. When she’s “on” in front of a crowd, you see things in it that you’d just never be able to spot otherwise. Because they would hide it from you.

Beyond that, I look at Sarah Palin as a sort of political lie-detector test for people. If a person cannot just tell you straight-up that she was not, is not and never will be qualified to be President or Vice-President, then I know I do not need to listen to anything that the person says about, say, cap-and-trade. Because they proved that they cannot tell the truth even about an obvious situation. My 12 year old nephew can answer the question.

So what that tells us is, you cannot trust anything Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough say. Because they kept trying to push Sarah Palin for President on us!

Reading your post made it worthwhile to slog through all the troll nonsense and respond to the worst of it. But now I’m off to fix dinner for the dogs. I hope you enjoy your weekend, too!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Thank you for the kind words, Chimsect, and also for the analysis you contributed.

I agree that the way the right wing exploits the basest fears of its base is dangerous, sad, and predictable.

And I think you make a great point about Palin drawing the scum to the surface. She certainly brings out the scary element of the party. I think of her like a blacklight. When she’s “on” in front of a crowd, you see things in it that you’d just never be able to spot otherwise. Because they would hide it from you.

Beyond that, I look at Sarah Palin as a sort of political lie-detector test for people. If a person cannot just tell you straight-up that she was not, is not and never will be qualified to be President or Vice-President, then I know I do not need to listen to anything that the person says about, say, cap-and-trade. Because they proved that they cannot tell the truth even about an obvious situation. My 12 year old nephew can answer the question.

So what that tells us is, you cannot trust anything Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough say. Because they kept trying to push Sarah Palin for President on us!

Reading your post made it worthwhile to slog through all the troll nonsense and respond to the worst of it. But now I’m off to fix dinner for the dogs. I hope you enjoy your weekend, too!


marktime
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

And what proof can the President simply offer to prove he is a natural born U.S. Citizen? His birth certificate has been produced and verified by the state of Hawaii. The Conspiracy whackos will just assert that it somehow fraudulent and on we go… NOTHING offered will prove it to those willing to believe… How many years did it take before people stopped seeing the deceased Elvis all across the country?


Kelly
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Extremist conservatives are such morons. Hawaii has already shown the birth certificate. Even a conservative website had to recant. How was this not issue when he was senator but now that he was running and became president, all of the sudden it is? Listen jerks, just own up to your racism. Just say that you never thought we would be the kind of country that would elect a “negro” president and while you whine and complain the majority of us will be thankful that it is exactly this kind of country.


jn2222
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Making up lies about someone and circulating it; I think it's called slander. Isn't that punishable by law?


MaryanneAZ
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

The other thing birthers ignore is the fact that BHO defeated HRC in the primary. If there had been ANY shred of evidence on the birth issue, then the HRC campaign would have jumped on it with all fours. Remembering how viciously HRC fought to win that primary, no one reasonably believes that such a huge issue would have been left uninvestigated by her team.


Sportster2005
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

There is no such thing as situational ethics.  We are either ethical or unethical.  Situational ethics is a lie perpetrated upon the public to allow the politicians to choose to do what they want when they want.  It's like athletes using drugs to gain an advantage.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

“Only you with your type of sick mind would come up with that shit.”

This from a tranny who keeps trying to argue that s/he owns guns and inexplicably cannot keep enough “amo” on hand (what, are the Indians threatening your homestead and trying to take back their land or something? Why all the shooting?),

not to mention this is from someone who keeps spouting nonsense about how a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama somehow managed to get confirmed for two of the most backround-investigating-intensive and high-profile jobs in the world despite not having the proper birth certificate to prove eligibility.

They read every word of Jeremiah Wright's speeches. They read Michelle's Princeton thesis. You think they didn't read the birth certificate???

You know, what makes me annoyed is that you don't actually think any of these things. You're just willing to waste everyone's time and distract us from the important issues just so that you can give free rein to your hurt inner child, who happens to be a racist ignoramus.

Moreover, you're willing to risk the safety of the President by continuing to foment this absurd argument that he is not a legitimately elected leader, when you KNOW already that there have been assassination plots (crude though they were) foiled already? Some crazy person shot up the Holocaust museum because of Glen Beck. Really think some nutball wouldn't sit around thinking that something's gotta be done about that illegitimately-installed black guy at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave? Remember the Palin rallies (I'm sure those were always a high point for you)?

So, put it all together and your behavior is not merely irresponsible, it is costly and dangerous. Just what the hell is it about your life that makes you so unwilling to be a grown-up and just DEAL with the fact that your candidate lost and the other guy WON?


photoart
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

I'm glad to see that some “intelligent” Republicans are finding ways to dismiss the ludicrous claims and misrepresentations made by goofballs like Taitz, Hannity and Limbaugh.


Name
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

No wonder the country is in so much trouble. The racism and ignorance that is America is truly appauling.No wonder other countries have America's number as the country spends too much time on small and petty as well as the hateful come on people is this the Jesus principle to hate your brothers I do not think so. Get over it Republicans you have eight years of seeing Obama and we are praying for him. You repubs see the light that his policies will work and then the party of hate will be no more. The country is showing its ugliness which people pretended had died but look at this how do these ignorant people sleep at nights.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

You know what stephenparrrry
You are wasting my time. I am not going to splain anything more to a male that has no brain. You must sit infront of your putter doing just what you do. You seem to do it well. If I ever had to confront you in person. i would have some fun with what brain you have. You know I just cant help me for saying this but we do have names for male's like you


painbodyII
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

kelleyye you are not a well-read person. You, like many in the USA, are defending your white skin because you have nothing else –no education, no manners, no integrity, no money, no respect from your fellow citizens and no fellowship with God.
Try looking in your mirror and saying 3 times each morning, I love you “kelleyye”, I love you “kelleyye”, I love you “kelleyye”. You'll start liking yourself and stop hating people you believe in your deepest heart are “superior” to you. Try it before you burst into flames and ashes.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

I am white and my husband in BLACK, so there fore I have 1/2 black children. Stephenperry
Again. I can remind you I was not complaining about GUNS. AMO you idiot


Julie King
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:00 am

This is insane. Unbelievable. In my neck of the woods (Southern Calif) there isn't any talk whatsoever about this–I thought the thing died when Obama showed it back when. This is truly amazing, what it says about that part of the country and that type of thinking. Good for those among you trying to reason w/ these irrational things–I'll have to move on, it's too just plain weird to read any more of this. And to think we survived 8 years of Bush and Co's daily continuing lies to have THIS become an issue? Pathetic.


painbodyII
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:02 am

kwiley9711 1 minute ago
I am white and my husband in BLACK, so there fore I have 1/2 black children.

HARDLY, MY DEAR!

Grammar 1st, then temper tantrum. You are some illiterate white! Pity the fool who married you.
Go back to school and start reading your bible. Be kind and tell the truth. Miserable!


kaywynn
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:03 am

Kobach is just adding fuel to the fire. It's an old but effective tactic that has helped get and maintain the GOP's base of supporters. They feed into the fears of those who, for whatever reason, bigotry, party loyalty etc, don't like the president. Remember how ugly it got for Clinton, and that was without the aspect of race as an issue. When it comes to taking down President Obama, hold on to your hats people, the GOP has only just begun.


ritabright
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:07 am

Gotta love the freedom of speech – even when the speech is really, really, extraordinaryly illogical. I'm flabbergasted at the blatant racism that is being shown lately. We expect our elected representatives to be a bit smarter than the 'average bear'. How disappointing!!!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:08 am

First, that is yet another lie. No one who married a black man would make the birther argument. Not now. No way. Lie. Fail.

Second, don't call me an idiot. You cannot spell or form a coherent thought. I can. So be careful with the name-calling or it might expose you for being what you call others. (“my husband IN black?” “there fore” “AMO?” – that's just in a two line email. every one of your emails looks like it was written by someone who was trying to put out a fire in their ear while typing.)

Please please tell me where you met your supposedly black husband. I'm dying for this one. Let me guess. You met in “colledge?”

If you think that you are not talking about guns when you talk about ammunition, then I cannot further insult you by calling you an idiot. I'd just have to go lower and call you a kwiley. Can't think of anything that more perfectly conveys the sentiment.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:12 am

Wow. Talk about wasting time. Let me see your birth certificate. I believe you are a transsexual. If you are not, it should be no big deal for you to show me, right?

So until you show up with the ORIGINAL birth certificate, with the raised stamp and blue ink, I don't want to hear anything from you. And tuck your balls in when you cross your legs or you won't fool ANYONE, let alone me.

Loser. Go watch Fox.


painbodyII
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:15 am

Excellent stephenperry. You've probably nailed it. It is a transsexual! The dunce needs to go watch Fox!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:18 am

Oh you have to read the whole thread to see how it started. kwiley was accused by someone else of being a guy, to which kwiley replied “kwiley is not a dude. i'm female. i'm all female. No dude here.”

When was the last time you ever heard a woman say she was “all female” when ONLINE? Especially denying it three times. So I called kwiley a transsexual and I will stand by that until I see that pre-op's original birth certificate.

I have a lot more evidence that kwiley is a tranny than kwiley does that President Obama is not eligible to serve. Which is to say that I have SOME evidence as opposed to NONE.


kevinwires
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:27 am

Perhaps it is time that the Democrats forget the bi-partisan crap, since it is apparent that the Repubs are going to continue with whatever scurrilious gimiicks they can think of. It is time to start a number of onvestigations with independent prodecutors, to look into the many violations of the Bush administration. There should also be an investigation into the tax status of the C street housing facility where the current GOP romeos are housed. They hold political/religious meetings in what is registered as a church. They provide DC housing at reduced rates to office holders. That could be construed as a bribe. The “Family” may need to be investigated as well, since they own the C street Frat.


painbodyII
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:30 am

stephenperry the other thing you showed up is the rampant racism in many who read and write on this blog. Added to that, you show up how many people are downright un- or under-educated. Because they feel bad about it they look around to lash out at someone. Usually, they need to lash out at someone to feel superior. Such a shame. If more people could read and comprehend there wouldn't be these senseless debates. We have to stay away from lies and fears. That kwiley9711 is very simple.


felix
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:37 am

how to believe in fairy tales in one easy lesson.

if you destabilize journalism to the pathetic level of rupert murdock, facts become completely unnecessary. all the people who actually have the facts are equally discredited.

the journalists are discarded with the facts and all you have to do is hire entertainers. fire the ones who don't get the high numbers. since you don't need anything more than a good fairytale you can hire fairly dumb entertainers.

repeat fairy tale 24/7 forever. works every time.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:37 am

Under the law, to be actionable as defamation (libel – written; slander – spoken; both are kinds of defamation), any statement about a public figure would have to be

1) false; and

2) made KNOWING them to be false, or at least with a reckless disregard for whether the statement was true.

That's the rule the US Supreme Court handed down in NY Times vs. Sullivan back in the 1940's. That's the law that would apply.

And although it appears pretty clear to me that prongs 1 and 2 are satisfied, you always have to think about what you would achieve. As a lawyer, which I am, I would say “Who can you sue? What are your damages? What can you recover? What is the risk that you lose, and can you afford to take it?”

As a political adviser, which I am not, I would say pretty much the same thing. And I would conclude that the Administration would NEVER sue to stop someone from saying something; it would appear weak and oppressive (the entire power of the Presidency against one little blogger? Who but Sarah Palin would threaten a private citizen's First Amendment rights [and on July 4 of all days]??? That was one of the dumbest moves ever — Obama is a lot of things but dumb is not one, so he would not do that).

Instead in Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes famous phrase, President Obama would just let the “marketplace of ideas” sort this out. ANY rational thinker knows this birther thing is absolutely bogus. It just makes the Republicans look bad because their leadership has not squashed it but instead has allowed it to flame on at the fringes and now in the House in the form of a draft bill.

And Obama knows that this helps him. He needs a little help right now. So if it takes the economy a little longer to recover from the hole GWB drilled for it, at least Obama knows that he can count on a little leeway from the public, because, after all, the opposition party is not helping one iota.

Instead, they are alternately “squatting in a ditch, poking berries up their noses” (Simpsons); looking at their own shoelaces when asked if [insert name of current philanderer] should resign; telling a TV camera that their broke state won't accept stimulus money and then having to admit to being desperate for it; badgering the first Latina Supreme Court nominee with racist nonsense and references to Ricky Ricardo from I Love Lucy; and trying to get the country to believe that the President is not really the President.

Not exactly tough to do better than the opposition in that instance. So if there wasn't the risk of assassination from some less-gifted right-wing zealot, I would just relax and let the freak show entertain me, knowing it is drawing votes away from Republicans. Even then it would be tough to stomach someone mocking the Commander in Chief when our soldiers are in harm's way. I feel strongly that the President, regardless of party, represents all of us, including without limitation our soldiers, and if you slight him, then you're really slighting all of us, because he is our leader. Get it straight. He is our leader. So if you are going to slight him, you damn well better have your facts straight.

America is in trouble. We need both hands on the wheel. This is not 1998, when there were surpluses oozing out of every federal orifice and the nation was at peace under the last Democratic Administration. The right-wing spent $80 million distracting us with all the nonsense, leading up to Ken Starr's adolescent fixation on the President's sex life. We as a result lost an opportunity to do several things that would have been great.

But if we get distracted this time, we will lose perhaps our only chance to do several things that are MANDATORY. We have to get serious. And the Republican party sure isn't offering any answers from where I sit. But the birthers are the scum of the scum. No question.


jn2222
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:46 am

GOP are showing their true colors; and they don't like anyone's color other than their own. What a bunch of hypocrital racists!


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:47 am

Why are you liberals so hateful and so angry?

You have your savior in the White House.
You have majority rule.

Yet you can not stop being angry? Why?

And the whole birth certificate issue. You seem angry about that too. Let the law suits come and if it comes time for Obama to have to show more proof so be it. Are you people afraid of what might come of it?


GH5877
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:52 am

This is just another attempt to “distract” the American people from the real issues facing all of us. This is an attempt to hide what they are doing in the backroom……..STAY FOCUSED on what really matters. That really ticks them off.


stevenewman
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:55 am

Hey Rush! If you think Obama is illegally occupying the White House, why don't come up here and citizen-arrest him? I'll donate the cost of the Metro from the airport to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:56 am

Shut up. I do not suffer fools and you do not believe the tripe you spew.

Why, for example, should there be “lawsuits” plural? Why can the simple issue of whether a birth certificate is real get resolved in one lawsuit? Especially considering it has already been addressed? The cases got thrown out. As FRIVOLOUS. Look it up if you have to, but it's not a big word.

NO, we are not “afraid of what might come of it” but we are unwilling to waste ANY time or ANY money on this ridiculous nonsense, especially when we have no money to spare and each branch of the government is actually quite busy. The President has health care reform and the economy on his plate. The Congress has the Sotomayor hearings and is undertaking investigation of the Cheney-ordered failure to brief Congress about an assassination ring. The Supreme Court has a confirmation and then a busy (for the modern Court) docket.

Why should any of those grown ups have to stop what they are doing to watch you children poking your fingers into each other's eyes, punching each other's arms, and calling each other “dumbass” all day?

Go back to your bridge, troll. You're useless here unless you have kwiley's birth certificate on you. The original, that is.


marilyn55405
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:57 am

This just shows that these talking heads (and I use that word liberally) need to be counteracted…how I don't know. We can't force people to change their TV or radio channels. :(


bensil
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:04 am

If anyone is interested in the facts, as a reservist who volunteered to be deployed to Afghanistan, it was his choice to rescind that request. He did so, and that is why his deployment orders were canceled, not because of this crackpot “birther” nonsense. I think it's hilarious that Cook works for a defense contractor, and by filing a lawsuit against the government, he cannot work on military bases. He has unwittingly fired himself. What a tool.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:06 am

There would be just one law suit if Obama showed what he needed to show. If he had done it already, then all of the lawsuits would have been thrown out immediately. But he hasnt.

Blame Obama for letting this drag on. All he has to do is comply but he has refused to do so for a year. Sooner or later a judge is going to actually hear the case, then he wont have a choice.

Again, why the hate? Its laughable to watch you liberals. You're never happy, ever. You are nothing but hypocrites who whine and cry when you dont get your way. And its funny how you cant stand one bit of criticism of Obama. You seem to forget the outright hate you people spewed of Bush for 8 years. It wasnt criticism, it was hate. Liberals are bad for America in my opinion. They are bad for society, but always good for a laugh now and then.

Learn to smile and be happy for once i your life Step Hen.


theodosa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:07 am

Hahah, priceless, these wingnut loons are so mad that they lost, so mad that they aren't in power. So mad that a black man won.

Just wait until 2010, the GOP will be officially deader than a rotting doorknob.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:09 am

“what? How dare anyone speak nothing but blessings on Obama! They must be racist!”

When will the racist line end with you libs? Ever? And what exactly have YOU done for minorities? The Dems seem to be the party that minorities like but sadly not all of them have figured out that the liberal agenda isnt to help them, its to make them continue to think they need the government to survive. Continue to think they are victims. Liberals havent dont a damn thing to help minorities over the past couple decades. better watch out, sooner or later they just might figure it out. Then youll be in trouble because their vote, which is all the liberal politicians want, want be guaranteed anymore.


theodosa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:10 am

You idiot, he has.

You Truther loons just will not except the truth. Read the article:

“Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”

You keep trying to create implausible scenarios based on lies and garbage.

GIVE IT UP, YUOU LOST, OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT.

OBAMA 2012


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:11 am

Goes to show you people dont have a clue. Where do you get this notion that Rush or Hannity are pushing this? They have gone out of their way not to talk about this. They have actually been talking about more important things like Obama lies on transparency, obamacare, cap and trade, etc.

Please, do some actual research before you talk a bunch on nonsense. :)


theodosa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:11 am

When will you wingnuts listen to your queen, Malkin, and get over your ODS, Obama Derangement Syndrome already.

Give it up, you lost.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:11 am

Well thank you, painbodyll, for the nice things you said about me.

One thing I did not show is how polite I usually am. For that I apologize, but only to the non-birthers.

I am generally polite and patient, and I've never written on this site before. But I haven't got any more patience for this stuff. It was out of bounds even during election season as simply absurd. No rational person would entertain the belief that Obama could have been confirmed for Senate without proving he is a citizen. Plain and simple. Not that there aren't a hundred other reasons to know right off the bat that this is ridiculous as a controversy.

But the main thing, of course, is that this lunacy, if allowed to continue unchecked, stokes and fans the flames of racial hatred and division that are actually only smoldering embers in certain parts of this country (hint: look at the map of the US for Presidential Election 2008: it's the swatch of Appalachia that represents 90 percent of the areas that McCain actually won). I don't want to know what might happen if those flames got heated up by someone who became convinced that our nation is led by an illegitimate leader who happens to be named Hussein and is black and is suspected by lunatics of being either a Muslim or the Antichrist.

But I remember hearing someone say “kill him” and “terrorist” at a Palin rally. And if your argument is “they weren't talking about Obama” I first have to ask if you're serious. Look someone in the eye and try again.

And I second have to ask what effing difference does it make who they were talking about? If a politician is giving speeches where audience members are yelling “kill him” about ANYONE then we need take serious steps to make sure that never happens again. And go back in a time machine and make John McCain pick someone as VP candidate that he has actually seen in person before for more than 10 minutes. Not asking too much.

But anyway I apologize for being harsh toward those who, in my view, certainly have it coming for the anti-American crap they're spewing here and elsewhere.


TheoPalinism
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:14 am

Evidence of the watered down gene pool.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:15 am

Riiiigggghhhht. Because US conservative want to distract America from what Obama and the dems are trying to shove through with Obama Care and Cap/Trade. Yeah, WE are the ones that dont want people to know about everything that is in the thousands of pages of those documents.

Please, get some common sense. The media might not want to tell you about everything in those bills, but the conservatives will. Because unlike your politicians, some of us actually read that stuff. And yeah, its kinda scary to see the stuff in the bills so far. Bigger government, more money being taken away from YOU, etc, etc

Again, why would a conservative want to distract anyone from what Obama and Congress are doing? We are the only ones trying to shed light on it.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:16 am

Look, HE HAS NOT SHOWN IT! He posted on the internet some short form Certificate of Live Birth. Something that anyone can get even if they werent born here.

You honestly think law suits would keep piling up if he had done so? The lawsuits would all be dismissed and dropped immediately.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:18 am

I still cant get over your post. Do you remember who is running the White House with his 20 or so czars? Who controls the house and senate? Yeah, its the Democrats. So why exactly would we want to distract Americans from the shenanigans they are trying to pull? Seriously, think about it.


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:19 am

I wish they hadn't cancelled Boston Legal. There is a great episode here with Spader ripping the birthers to pieces while Shatner plays the wingnut.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Keep smiling liberals. Some day youll be happy. I dont know what it will take but some day Im sure it will happen. A day where you wont be calling people names, or calling people racists, or complaining or just a day where you wont be angry. I am sure that day will come……….


MilliJoolz
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:23 am

I so wished I had written that…

Thank you!
M~.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:25 am

“You are nothing but hypocrites who whine and cry when you dont get your way.”

You need to review your pronouns again. First person plural is “we.” Second person plural or singular is “you.” You got them mixed up. No worries. Could'a happened to any birther. Swap them out and try again.

If anyone could be accused of whining and crying when they don't get their way, would it be the Democrats who are actually trying to pass legislation or the Republicans who are bent on showing the world what philandering racist imbeciles they are, and on top of that, who are bent on implying that the BUSH Justice Department was somehow unable, in 2004 and in 2008, to determine whether the Republican party's main rival for world domination was a lawful citizen.

The contortions you will go through, just so that you don't have to say “the President of the United States is a black man named Barack Hussein Obama,” are laughable.

Actually, if you weren't so obnoxious I would feel sad for you, because it must be really tough to be that much of a loser that you have to try to ruin an entire government just because you're such a narrow-minded bigot.

What, are you afraid Obama is going to intimidate you with his African size if he whips it out next to you at the urinal? Get over yourself and go get a job or go make a friend.

But before you go please do feel free to keep telling us how your nonsensical demands would be instantly satisfied if only Obama would simply do again that which he has already done many times to no avail. That one never gets old.

Loser. What'd they say on Fox today?


djny10003
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:26 am

I know liberals and I know conservatives, and liberals are much happier people. The conservatives are angry all the time, in spite of the fact they have more money and better health care.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:29 am

Maybe you should read some of the comments.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:33 am

Whoa whoa whoa djny. I am pretty sure liberals have more money than conservatives.

Don't you remember Joe the Unlicensed Tax-Dodging Racist Plumber? His income was somewhere around $35,000 but he said it was around $250,000.

John McCain was very careful to let us know that Joe the Plumber is the Republican Everyman. So Republicans, by and large, are making $35K. Rush Limbaugh is that rare exception. I got it straight from McCain, whose judgment in ALL areas is impeccable.

And I heard a lot from Sarah Palin about how liberal elites (who probably shop at Neiman and Saks and then PAY FOR IT THEMSELVES!) live almost exclusively either in the same Upper West Side apartment building or they live with a lot of rich homosexuals in San Francisco. Either way, liberals have to be loaded to afford those digs.

So that's income. Health care? Aren't liberals arugula-eating healthy-living yoga practitioners, while conservatives like to eat, drink, make little Republicans, and smoke cigars, in that order?

Forgive me if I'm out of line, but I've studied these things very carefully by watching and listening to Republicans, and I have to say that you're just wrong.

Or maybe, just maybe… Nah. You're wrong.

Wait a minute! No you're not. Republicans are wrong. What the hell was I thinking?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:41 am

For all the idiotic birthers like chuckj and kwiley who keep spouting disingenuous babble about how Obama “only showed the short form” of his birth certificate “which anyone can get even if they're not born here,” I have a simple solution.

YOU get one then. Show us a birth certificate that says YOU were born to Obama's mom, on that same date, in Hawaii. And then send that certificate, in hard copy, to all the news organizations and to factcheck.org. Because Obama's certificate has withstood scrutiny and is recognized as official by ALL of the authorities. What could be more obvious proof than the fact that he was sworn in on Jan. 20 (and four years prior he was sworn in as a US Senator)?

And what could be a simpler challenge for you if you actually meant one single solitary word that comes out of mouths?

So just go get us one, since they're just growing on trees. Until you do, shut up.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:45 am

StepHen,

Who cares who has more money? Does it really matter? Its probably equal anyways. Either way, it will be more than just the rich who will pay for Health Care and Cap n Trade. Common sense tells you that the rich people who give people jobs, will pass their extra taxes and such along to the consumer as well as cut costs further by laying people off and moving even more jobs over seas.
All a result of Obama's agenda. We are in enough hurt not economically, why they want to pass the other garbage down our throats is beyond me.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:46 am

No problem; just wish I had said it in fewer words. I got wound up, what with the birther nonsense in here today.


Joseph_Z_Chicago
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:53 am

The birthers will be pre-occupied for the next few days – they'll be getting busy exposing the faking of the moon landing – these people have apparently discovered the secret of maintaining their sunny and optimist views on life. Hallucinogens, anyone? LOL


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Hello, I just read your post. I take no sides on the issue of eligibility. I am interested in the legal aspects of this heated debate. I looked up “jus sanguinis” on google. I can’t seem to find any cases where this has been applied to grant United States citizenship. I found a site that explains citizenship. http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/United-States-nationality-law. It doesn’t address the “jus sanguinis” issue either. Can you please write a link down relating to a court case that has a person born in a foreign country who was granted US citizenship on the basis of “jus sanguinis”? Please do not include any cases involving US sovereign soil. I am only a student wishing to understand more about this debate for an impartial paper I am writing. Thank you for your time.


stephenk
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:01 am

The so-called volunteer to join service must be categorized as a combatant who help Benladen to win the first round since he refused to go to fight Ben. He is the typical republican named patriot. He should be paid millions by the republican conservatives for his “Egg Head Smart” argument. Every American voters who voted for President Obama can show him the very basket where he could find his birth place. The stupid egg head.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:05 am

They call names to any one who dont want to bend the way they try to get them to bend. I noticed i was not a racist when I told stephenperry, my husband in black so my children are 1/2 black. No news from him. But he had a mouth full to say about everything else about me. AMAZING!
Instead he tried to find anything else to lower me.


freebee1234
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:05 am

These people who are perpetuating this wild goose chase just cannot stomach the fact that a black man was elected president. Why don't you just come out and say it. Shame on you treasonist freaks.


phxgwen
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:12 am

The short form he showed was verified as real and authentic. ON TOP of that the State of Hawaii has verified that both the document that Obama has is authentic as well as the original on file with the state is a real live birth certificate that states he was born IN HAWAII.

Not to mention the two newspaper birth announcements.

Then add the fact that he had to produce said birth certificate to get a passport, a driver's license, marriage license, complete the bar application to practice law, had a background check to get clearance to be an Illinois senator, pass clearance again to be a US Senator, pass a security clearance to go to Iraq in a time of war and visit the troops and military bases in 2006, add the scrutiny of the McCain and the Clinton's.. and more than likely Homeland Security thru the Patriot Act considering he was a rumored Muslim named Hussien in politics with associations with known domestic terrorists that was considering running for the highest position in the country in a post 9/11 world.

You seriously believe Obama, the State of Hawaii, the State of Illinois, the State Department, the DMV, the Dept of Social Security, Columbia University, Harvard, US Senate, National Security, Homeland Security, Democratic National Committee, Republican National Committee, and the Bush administration are all in on the conspiracy to hide the fact that a pregnant 18 year old girl somehow without a passport traveled to Kenya during political upheaval alone to give birth in a hut with Obama SR's mother who she had never met and then traveled back with a newborn also without a passport so that she and her parents could plant a newspaper birth announcement of her half white half black child and somehow bribe someone in Hawaii's vital records for a birth certificate so in case 40 years later he could run for president. That is a lot of cooperation.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:13 am

Hello cathy. I am curious about your naturalization. If congressional hearings granted John McCain natural-born citizen status, does that not set a legal precedent for you? Making you eligible to file for natural-born status. Were both of your parents American citizens? I ask because I’d like to know if there are any differences in your case versus John McCains. I take no sides on the issue being debated. I am only interested in the legal aspects. Regarding President Obama, I have no opinion either way. I am only here for research purposes. Thank you for your time. Oops, I also forgot to ask your age. Sorry.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:14 am

StepHen,

What you dont understand is I dont even care that much about the birth certificate issue. THere are still documents people want to see. I say show them if you have them. Then, end of story.

Seriously, why does it even matter to you? You and some of the other liberals here are getting way bent out of shape over it. If someone wants more proof so be it. Get over it. What are you afraid of?


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:17 am

kwiley9711,

You should know by now that that is how liberals work. They belittle people, redicule people, call names, call people racists, nothing but hate spewed garbage. That is how they operate. If someone disagrees with them, or appears that someone might be in there way, they seek out to destroy them anyway they can.
Joe the plumber is a good example. All the guy did was ask Obama a question, Obama gave a socialist answer. What did the liberal media do with that? They sought out to attack and take down Joe the plumber. Astonishing how this happens in America today.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:21 am

LOL Treasonist? Freaks? Racists? Anything else? Let me get this straight. You can say anything negative about Obama, or question anything about him or you are a racist? Oh and according to the liberal rules, you are treasonous too? Then what would you call yourself. Because I am sure you had a number of nasty and hateful things to say about Bush for 8 years. Oh thats right, you are allowed to not only criticize but you are allowed to be down right hateful because youre a liberal.
At least most of us go after Obama for his views and his agenda. You went after Bush out of hate. It wasnt his policies, you just hated him because the media hated him and he isnt a liberal.
Why do I have a feeling that if the first black president was a conservative, that you liberals wouldnt be saying the things you are saying. You probably wouldnt of celebrated with praise like you did when Obama was elected.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:23 am

You libs will get a kick out of this.
It's called Obama vs Obama. So since its Obama against himself, who are you going to call a racist?

http://www.hotair.com/archives/2009/07/17/video-obama-...

Watch and learn. I know youll hate to see Obama contradict himself over and over, but maybe youll learn why some never trusted him.


eNews Reference
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:25 am

Wow! I can't believe this is still in the media… http://www.enewsreference.com


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:25 am

Hmmmm? They just cant call me a racist but believe me some had a mouthfull to say. And we are the angry ones? Ok? I show all my ID's everytime I need to. I dont hide them from anyone. I dont see what the problem is on why not just end it once and for all? To easy?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:27 am

hehehe, I liked that one. To cute chuckj

Obama vs Obama


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:28 am

HOT AIR??? PLEASE RETARDS UNITE AS THEY MAKE MONEY FROM YOUR RETARED ASS, THE QUESTION THAT YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT IS WHY ARE YOU SO DAMN STUPID?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:29 am

THATS BECAUSE YOU ARE! FACTS AND THE TRUTH, YOU CAN'T HANDLE IT. QUESTION RETARD WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE RIGHT?


Robert I. Laitres
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:30 am

Oh those poor Limbaugh “conservatives.” Everyone is picking on them. “Evwy peeplse needs bee gould dem fo de wittle dahlinks for dey haz sew wittle twos tink wid. Et bee moor butter ef weze dunt meak dem feal moore badder den dau alzredy duz. Moor beter bea nice.”


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:30 am

THAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THE REST OF THE RETARD REPUBLICANS SUCH AS YOURSELF JUST GO AWAY AND LET ADULTS HANDLE THE PROBLEM


Jason
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Oh please. After 8 years of Democrats and Liberals being called un-American and a traitor, an appeaser and a terrorist lover, you wanna complain about being called names?!? You Republicans are something else. Your hypocrisy really knows no bounds, it mind boggling.


metrowestmike
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:33 am

I don't belittle or redicule, or even ridicule. The plain fact is that the “birthers” have nothing except crazy conspiratorial theories. They start out with the conclusion they want to reach then backfill the facts to lead to their conclusion. Even crazy right wing radio talk show hosts routinely shoot callers with this subject down. I say, as in the justice system – let the accusers take the responsibility to come up with conclusive, hard evidence, or admit they don't have a case – it's all so very simple, yet “birthers” cling to the notion that all of these theories have some validity, when the truth is – they don't. There's really nothing more to than that…


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:36 am

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/16/video-wit…


xcott
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:37 am

If you read the article you'd know that's impossible. His birth certificate says he was born in Honolulu; you can't get that if you weren't born here.

And honestly, if that doesn't convince you why would the original convince you? It just lists the same information as the official reprint.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:40 am

In the article, Weigel is trying to give the impression that Okubo verified BHO's certificate.

Well, guess what: I called Okubo earlier today, and she refused to confirm the impression that Weigel is trying to give you.

If you trust Weigel's reporting, see the link.


xcott
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:42 am

Do you seriously believe that the birthers will change their mind if they are shown the original birth certificate? They weren't convinced by the reprint, why would they be convinced by the original?

No, that won't be “end of story.” They'll just call that one counterfeit too, and demand something else, like hospital records. And if you dig those up, they'll demand employment records of nurses or doctors. The point of a conspiracy theory is that no evidence ever convinces you.


metrowestmike
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:42 am

The solution is simple. Remember these things:
CNN is left leaning
PBS Tells the news without prejudice
Fox News: Shepherd Smith as a newsman with convictions
Hannity, Glenn Beck, Olbermann, Meghan (whatever her name is), Laura Ingraham, Anne COulter, Rush Limbaugh – these people are all lying, useless blowhards out to make a buck no matter how much truth has to be sacrificed


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:44 am

Since when can we not call you a racist? Anyone spouting birther nonsense is only doing it because the President is black. So… you're a racist.

There, I said it. Tranny.

“I show all my ID's everytime I need to.” First, where's your birth certificate? It has been requested several times now, so it is only fair that I draw negative inferences from your failure to produce it.

Second, what's that got to do with the President? He does not “NEED” to show his ID, no matter how many times you pout and say that you think he SHOULD.

Piss off. I thought you were, mercifully, off to shuttle Oxycontin between Sarah Palin's in-laws and Rush Limbaugh or something.


xcott
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:44 am

Good point. If birthers think you can get a Hawaiian “short form” certification even if you're not from there, let them prove it. Get a short form saying you were born in Honolulu.


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:48 am

there ya go again stephenperry. Hurray for you. Your so smart. Is that all you can throw at me?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:52 am

All Joe the Plumber did was insert himself into the campaign to ask a loaded question that was built on lies. He said he was in position to buy the business and would have an income THAT year of $250,000. He made $35,000 and under no conceivable scenario would he have bought the business.

All Joe the Plumber did is lie about what Obama's answer was about what his tax situation would be.

Alll Joe the Plumber did is conduct multiple interviews of his own accord, distorting everything he spoke about.

All Joe the Plumber did is meet with McCain and somehow get himself installed as McCain's great Offensive Secret Weapon (McCain brought him up something like 17 times in the debate and God knows how many times on the trail), but then squeal like a stuck pig when the news media took an interest in this guy who all of a sudden represented EVERYTHING that was good and sweet in Republican Real America.

All Joe the Plumber did was insult the President by comparing him to Sammy Davis Jr. in a nasty bit of racism that even McCain had to back away from.

All Joe the Plumber did was talk out of his ass about President Obama's views about Israel. Joe the Plumber cannot find Israel on a map.

All Joe the Plumber did was fail to have the license required to do his work.

All Joe the Plumber did was fail to pay back taxes in his home state.

All Joe the Plumber did was fail to pay a vehicle licensing fee in Arizona, meaning he had no drivers' license and thus drove illegally.

All Joe the Plumber did was lie about his name. His name is Samuel.

But other than that, yeah, what you said was….um, the usual pack of absolute bullshit and lies. Welcome back chuck. You're still a loser.


xcott
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:54 am

I like how you repeatedly bullied her to answer 'yes' or 'no'. You brave man!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:59 am

Well, tranny, I can try some more.

First, where's the birth certificate? You have something to hide, don't you?

Second, the word you're looking for is “you're” not “your.” One is a contraction. One is a possessive. Let me know if you need more hints.

Third, where did you meet your allegedly black husband?

Fourth, just how many “1/2 black” children do you have?

Fifth, where's that birth certificate? Hurry up. This is a matter of great interest among the lunatic fringe, I mean for the nation.

Sixth, what time will you be going to church to wash the filthy lies out of that soggy mouth of yours?

If you keep posting anything other an a birth certificate, I'll throw your fetid soggy bullshit right back at you. There is no place for you in any decent society. Go away until you have repented. But even then, don't come back without that birth certificate. Tranny.

F


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:01 am

stephenperry you must feell better by be-litttling people you dont know or understand. Does that make you feel biggger? Maybe you need to look?


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:02 am

Plug away big guy. Your useless


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:05 am

May God forgive you stephenperry


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:05 am

What you don't understand is that I don't give a shit what you say.

You are not here to find truth or ask any good faith question or debate any idea earnestly.

You are here solely to take up oxygen that could otherwise be profitably used by someone else. Well, that's your actual function. YOU think you are here to make people think there's something to the absolutely uninterrupted stream of bolllocks you birthers keep spewing.

He has the documents. He showed the documents. They are still available on line. You don't care about reality.

If you never slept with your mother and a goat in the back of a Camaro, just provide me the proof. End of story.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:07 am

'(after)birthers', like Koback & Posey (R-Idiot), make the case for late-term abortion (eg a misery-ending 'bullet' for the obvious brain dead 20,30,40,50 somethings that are obviously not processing any information, eg clinically brain dead). It would be the 'humane' thing to do. so, here we go:

a) To be President you have to be 35, have lived in the US 14y, and native born:

'Only native-born U.S. citizens (or those born abroad, but only to parents who were both citizens of the U.S.). 35y old, 'check' (born '61), nNative born 'check' (HI), both parents US citizens, nope.

http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/dual_citize…

'Native born' (that would be HI – Hawaii; The state was admitted to the Union on August 21, 1959 — and, Obama was born 04 AUG 1961, in Hawaii. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii) is the key here and/or born anywhere to parents that were BOTH citizens:

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/thepresidentandca…

b) RIF. As in Reading IS Fundamental. I know, NOT an (after)'birther' thing but, IF they did read anything except other rants by other brain dead (after)'birthers'/dittoheads/912'rs, freepers, and WND quoters, they'd know that the SCOTUS (at brain-dead Long Dong Silver fan Clarence Thomas' request, DID review the (afer)'birther' entreaty by head (up the ass) (after)'birther', Phillip Berg, the week before the election and even the Roberts/Scalia/Alito gang couldn't find any 'value' (read evidence) in the claims. DISmissed, and I do mean DIS. (Pg 15 of 25 in the pdf: http://www.supremecourtus.gov/orders/courtorder…

c) Here is the Hawaii birth certificate: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008…

BUT, don't bother reading it (after)'birthers', we NOT brain dead 'readers' KNOW you don't/won't like to confuse yourselves w/'facts'. It's 'OK', just keep ranting, a stomping your feet, and please do try holding your breath and… go (very) late term abortive, PLEASE. Or, at least don't procreate. The world doesn't need any more 'seed' spread by the aggressively ignorant.

That's a 'wrap', folks. Next topic? Seriously, these (R-idiots) are making a STRONG case for the Move 'Idiocracy'as a (potential) future documentary, not a current day comedy…IF these knuckle-dragging (R-Idiots) have their aggressively ignorant way.

Someone attach a health care amendment: Pull the plug on them, early and often, we GOT to clean up the gene pool in the fly over states, it's a MESS!


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:11 am

Ah, and you are getting to know or understand our President Barack Hussein Obama quite well by now, aren't you?

Well, if you haven't seen him yet, don't worry. He'll be around for 7 and a half more years.

I tell you what, I feel a lot better, knowing that I haven't told any lies today, and knowing that I haven't let any dipshits like you get away with saying the nonsense you intended to say. You're worse than office crop-dusters. You're a blog crop-duster. You just come in here, stink up the place, and linger around.

Waft away, loser. But bring me that birth certificate, as well as the before and after photos from your surgery. And please don't forget to tell us about the black made-up husband you invented. What's his name? Let me guess. Orenthal James? LeBron? What other black male names could you possibly know?

Aside from stephenperry. I mean, don't tell me that I somehow became your husband just because you can't find your birth certificate and you need to keep from being deported.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:13 am

Ah ah ah. You learned nothing.

That's the possessive. You meant the contraction. I guess that can be tough for you, since you seem to be able to hold only one thought between your ears at a time.

Let go of “I'm afraid of the black President” and then there will be room for you to learn a new fact.

Specifically, that fact is that you're a total loser who has no integrity and makes up nonsensical racist bullshit about an incoming President of the United States who was elected with the most decisive and inclusive electoral mandate in several generations.

I know that's too many words for you. Just remember that you're a loser.

Oh, and remember the birth certificate you need to bring. That's key.


cuniverse
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:14 am

what difference does it make where he was born he came from the womb of an american woman which makes him American


kwiley9711
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:16 am

stephenperry can always have good thing to say when it dont go his little way. Like I said, may God be with you. Have a good night, hmm nite? Um oh well


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:17 am

Hmmm. One of us, and I'm not saying who, decided to come into this blog and start making up racist gibberish about a sitting U.S. President. Oh and something about “amo” and something about made up minority family members.

One of us, and I'm not saying who, decided to repeatedly call the other person out for said racist gibberish.

I'm fairly confident that St. Peter will interview both of us before sending you down the service elevator to the place where they don't serve ice water and the A/C is always on the fritz.

But he will only interview you to ask “Did you REALLY think anyone would believe that a black man would stay married to a white woman who goes around saying the first black President isn't the President? Because that's some seriously stupid shit.”

Well, I had to clean up the language that St. Pete will actually use. But you get the point.

Which, in case you missed it, is that you are a loser.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:22 am

cuniverse

American yes, and, only 'qualified' to be President if he was Natural born, if his dad is not a US citizen. See my detailed post below.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:23 am

This is the second time you've told me you're leaving.

Will the third time be the charm?

And please, oh please, just as a parting gift, tell me what didn't go my way. I cannot recall a single thing you said that even made coherent sense. I don't recall having the short end of any interaction with you. You're the dolt who pretends to have a black husband and half black kids. You're the proud patriot who keeps maligning the Commander in Chief during wartime without anything approaching a reasonable belief that what you are saying has any basis in reality.

Against that backdrop, I would have to vomit on myself while passing gas and eating a turkey leg in order to have any chance of losing some sort of status contest with you. Oh, and I'd have to be doing all that while seated on a Port-a-Potty with glass walls in the middle of a busy construction site.

But I'd still com off more reasonable and trustworthy than you. You're a birther.

FTW


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:24 am

AND??? YOUR POINT BEING WHAT EXCATLY?


republicanstupidity
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:26 am

YOU BACK WITH THIS BULLSHIT AGAIN RETARD?? DAMN YOU HAVE NO LIFE HUH SAD SAD LITTLE PERSON


amy334
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:29 am

So I wonder if the “birthers” are concerned about where he was born, Hawaii, might be too exotic to be considered a state? or is it that is father was from Africa?

Maybe they had a lot better feeling that John McCain who repeatedly addressed “my fellow prisoners” in his rallies, was born to two white Americans, in not just a place that wasn't part of the contiguous lower 48 but that wasn't ever going to be a State in our union, namely Panama. Didn't you notice that?


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:37 am

Hint: You stop saying treasonous, freaky, racist things.

I will stop calling you a treasonous, freaky racist.

But I will have to keep calling you a loser. Because, you know, you said things that are treasonous, freaky, and racist. Sorry, no take-backs.

Otherwise nothing you said is worth paying attention to. Where's kwiley's birth certificate? If you haven't produced it for kwiley then that's all the evidence I need that you are somehow involved in the Tranny Birth Certificate Conspiracy.


vkobaya
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Well, I'd like to see any Republican try to disprove my contention, that all Republicans are Republicans because they were hatched, not born.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:43 am

I dunno where you get the idea that you weren't a racist just because you told another entirely distinct and entirely unnecessary set of lies.

You don't have a black husband. Nor do you have any children who have any proportion of African-American blood in them. So not only are you a racist, you are a transparently lying racist who tries to hide behind even more ridiculously transparent lies when caught.

At least Pat Buchanan stands up for the hateful and bigoted things he says. So I actually respect that d-bag more than I respect you.

And, the record reflects that nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, that I could say or do would “lower” you any more than you lowered yourself. Did I tell you to make up lies about President Obama? No. Did I tell you to pretend you have a black husband when actually you're a hateful racist? No. Did I tell you to pretend you have black children in hopes of deflecting any of the criticism you earned today? No.

So give it up already. And go away like you keep promising. Because until you do, all that matters is that you are a racist loser who apparently has no birth certificate.

But I note that once again you said your husband “in” black. Cut-and-paste, or are you really telling us that your white husband wears black clothing? Because that I'd believe. If I was saddled with you, I'd be in perpetual mourning clothes too.

Go 'way.


MNUSA
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:58 am

No wonder our country is in such a mess. There is absolutely nothing that can be done to convince these people either. Or as my Mother always said, “There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.” It's time we had a sanity test for anyone planning to run for public office. As long as Republicans put up with this nuttiness, they will remain a minority party. I can't think of the last time a Republican ran for office that I would consider voting for. In the meantime, we have two wars, a disaster of an economy, 46 million without health care, and need to create good paying jobs, and repair our infrastructure. In the meantime the collective IQ our our population is declining.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:59 am

Re: “This is the second time you've told me you're leaving.”

This is an example of what I describe in my copyrighted term, “A Beckett Exit.” It refers, of course, to those many times in “Waiting for Godot” where a character declares that he's going , only to be followed by the stage direction, “He does not leave.”


MNUSA
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:00 am

We in the fly-over states are just fine. Do something constructive, like take an English course or get some psychiatric help.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:03 am

OKAY BIRTHERS, TELL ME THIS!

When did the conspiracy begin?

I mean, when did the acts of deception you claim to happened start?

Were these nefarious forces aligned before he was born? And, if so, what made them sure he was Whitehouse-bound?

Please elaborate. We know you're here. Silence will be construed as an admission of defeat.


Danny
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:03 am

Its fun to read and watch the worm turn on these liberals and their messia. Obama has lied pure and simple. And you know when obama lies…your 401k dies.


MNUSA
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:04 am

No. Nothing will convince them because FOX News and right wing radio control their minds. They are no more capable of critical thinking than my cat.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:04 am

(Okay, typo. I meant “to have happened” instead of “to happened.” Must be those space aliens pushing my elbow again.)


Doris
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:06 am

Once again, Republicans are showing their mean-spirited, racist side by trying to prove that Obama is not an American citizen. He was born to an American mother and that makes him American. Even children born in America to foreign parents are American.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:06 am

Good call.


sneakerface
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:08 am

This “birther” nonsense is what people bring up when they are unable to find any valid arguments against Obama's policies. If they are so obsessed with people running for office who might be born in another country, why not have a campaign against John McCain, who was born in Panama ? They could introduce a bill saying that being born on a military base in another country is no longer good enough.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:11 am

I'd answer, but if you were hewing to the conservative line, you'd be working tomorrow, so you'd need your sleep.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:23 am

Obama didn't lie. Cite an example with proof.

When Bush lies (WMD, connection between Iraq and al-Qaeda), you go to Iraq. And more than 4,000 of you die.

Danny, I think you showed up a little late. The other wingnuts are already worn-out and tired of saying the same thing. Good job you came into relieve them. You'll find your hood and robe on the coat hook behind the door.


birfers'r'dumb
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:33 am

No you didn't, spammer.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:43 am

Mean spirited? Racist? LOL Are you serious. How do these people asking for proof of something translate to them being mean or racist.
Do you not watch the regular media? Do you not watch late night comedy? That is usually mean spirited toward conservative types just to be mean or to be “funny”.
Explain to me where the meanness or racism is in this. Id love to know because its not there.


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chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:47 am

Um, there are plenty of arguments against Obama's policies. You just wont hear much about them on regular news, you know, the liberal news.

Trust me, this isnt some huge conservative movement with this birth certificate thing. Fox News doesnt talk about it. Hannity or Rush or who ever else arent wasting their time on it. They are all actually looking at Obama's policies, which there are plenty of things that need to be examined and questioned.

And for the record, there are military rules to military parents whos kids are born at over seas military bases. That is kind of just common sense. And guess what? Congress has a hearing on the whole McCain matter to determine his eligibility. Something they arent doing with Obama. But if this Birth Certificate thing gets you liberals all upset, perhaps this needs to be dragged out further. Its funny to watch liberals get all angry over nothing.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:47 am

Re: “How do these people asking for proof of something translate to them being mean or racist. “

It's been SHOWN to them.

The only other interpretation is “stupid.”


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:49 am

There are two types of birth certificates. One was shown, apparently the easiest attainable one, the way i understand it. The dozens who files law suits want to see the long form birth certificate.
If you are 100 percent sure Obama is eligible, why do you get upset about it? Why does any of this bother you? Its not affecting you.
He probably is eligible, but why not just show the long form, and then all this goes away. It seems simple to me yet Obama hasnt done that. Im not saying he's eligble or isnt, im just saying show the damn long form certificate and get all this over with.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:52 am

And if they are “stupid” let them be stupid. If it comes to where Obama has to show the long form certificate and he has it, the matter is laid to rest. If he doesnt have it, then they might not look so stupid.

But honestly, there were some complicated issues with where his mother was around the time he was born. If people want to inquire about it and know more, they have a right to dont they? I mean, Obama has the highest office in the country, people should be assured 100 percent of his eligibility.


km2009
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:53 am

I am so tired of this racist bullshit! If it wasnt for white america Obama would not have been elected. I am half white and half black and i've come to notice that anytime someone of the black race doesnt get their way they throw out the race card. GET OVER IT! And calling someone whitey or saying your just another stupid white person etc isnt equally as racist? i am SO tired of racism in this country being one sided . There are other ethnicities in the united states other than black and white.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:54 am

Bothered? BOTHERED?

I simply cruise the internet looking for people SO OBVIOUSLY STUPID that I can ridicule them with absolutely no complaints from the sane ones.

So TELL me: When did this conspiracy start? What year? Speak up, we know you're reading this. Any more than an hour to reply to this post is an ADMISSION OF DEFEAT.


chimsect
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:57 am

Stephen, you're a true champion for taking on the dirty job of calling out these bigoted freaks and repeatedly demolishing their simplistic pseudo-arguments (which are always couched in atrociously written English, but then again you knew it could never be anything other than that). I'm having a great time watching you play whack-a-mole with these pathetic imbeciles. Let's just hope none of them go off the deep end, though, because a lot of these loons really believe with full fervor that our president is a foreign born black Muslim who may even be the anti-Christ. And if that's what they “know” with such certainty in their demented reptilian minds, how long is it going to be before one of the nutjobs decides that he's got to do something about this “threat” to our country?

It's pretty hard, isn't it, for a sane, educated person to wrap his or her mind around the reality that these crackpots actually believe the sickening garbage they spew from their ignorant mouths. But then again, look no further than the hypocritical zealots they elect to represent them in the most backward regions of our country and it pretty much paints the picture of what we're up against. Can you imagine the abysmal quality of life that these scatterbrained weirdos “enjoy”? How disgusting their daily existence must be.

Anyhow, Stephen, your endurance and steely imperviousness to bullshit is truly remarkable, and I salute you. Keep up the good work!


Lin
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:58 am

All the documentation was presented in 2008 by Obama campaign. Copies of documentation are online at http://www.FactCheck.org. This subject is a ridiculous waste of time and taxpayer money.


xcott
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:08 am

Actually, both Hannity and Rush have drawn attention to the birther movement on their shows. As the article points out, it seems to be gaining some sort of traction in the media.

This is not good for conservatives, and just plays into the president's hand. If I was the president, I'd encourage this birther movement to become huge by ignoring it; and only when the whole party became irrevocably bound to this fringe group I'd take a camera crew into the Hawaii department of health and point at the original, saying “FER CHRISSAKES I WAS BORN HERE, YOU XENOPHOBIC FREAKS.”

And then of course the republicans won't be able to stop the birther fringe from spinning even wilder theories and making the whole side of the aisle look like morons.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:10 am

Chuck. You are a liar and a tool. Stop. “And get all this over with.”

YOU are the creepy racist who keeps on bringing it up!

You have to know, when even FOX says that there's “no truth whatsoever, zero” (Shep Smith) to the stupid birther story, it's time to pack up and head home. That dog won't hunt.

Stop wasting everyone's time and stop pretending not to understand why it is OFFENSIVE beyond words for you to be this bigoted and childish.

NO AUTHORITY has any question about the validity of the certificate. No media outlet has any question about it.

It is just you traitorous treasonous birthers. And yes, maligning the sitting Commander in Chief during war is treasonous. Luckily for you, having your silly arguments in the news just makes things easier for Obama and the Democrats, so he will never come after you. Every time Republicans do something this stupid, people sign up on Democratic voter rolls.

So keep going with the feigned innocence. You are not worth the time it would take to spit on you.


xcott
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:15 am

How is it racist? Well, let's put it this way: name three other presidents who had “birthers” demanding proof that they were really US citizens.

But of course there was no crowd of birthers demanding that Ronald Reagan prove he was really American, right? Or McCain, or Bush, or Kerry, or … hmmm, there's a pattern here, but I just can't see it. It seems that only this one dude has to prove this sort of stuff, I wonder why.

Note also that he also had to prove he really was Christian, while all the other candidates could simply say they were born again and everyone would take them at their word.


xcott
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:20 am

Please tell me that you're just saying “copyrighted term” as a figure of speech.

Not that it matters much, but you can't copyright phrases (if anything, they are the domain of trademark law) and you're not likely to get any IP rights to a use of someone else's name.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:27 am

Yes theyve mentioned it. Why wouldnt they. The news should at least mention it. But those that think they will go on for more than a minute or so about it regularly are mistaken. They dont do that. Maybe Hannity would be the type and I dont listen to him much anymore but when I do, he isnt talking about.
Trust me, they are targeting his policies, not the birth certificate.

And lets all be honest. Who is even talking about this or covering this media wise other than a few web sites? No one. You turn on the news, even Fox, they arent covering this. If you think this is distracting from anything, its not. No one is covering it. So you have nothing to worry about.

But why doesnt he just show the long form now and get it done with? Why hold out on it if he has it? When this has spread to some military personnel, perhaps its time just to show it and get it done with.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:29 am

Coward.

Tell us the year this conspiracy started.

Coward.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:31 am

If it is a waste of tax payer money, then why doesnt Obama just show the long form birth certificate? That is what these people want to see. Im not taking a side on it, except to say it makes a lot more sense just to give them the proof they want and be done with it.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:34 am

Coward.

Tell us when this conspiracy started.

Coward.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:40 am

What conspiracy and whos a coward and why?

Just so you know, people have been inquiring about the birth certificate for almost a year now. This didnt just pop up recently. I didnt know if you were aware of that or not. That is why I dont understand why Obama didnt just give them the long form to end it. Its been this long and he has refused to barge on it. If it is actually wasting tax money, then just show it.


captainsteve
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Thank you. I agree. Stand tall and proud.


RedGraham
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:41 am

NULLIFY THE USURPER!


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:42 am

chuckj, you are the coward.

This conspiracy started …. when? When did “they” start their plot?

Coward = chuckj, because he can't answer this.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:43 am

A little something for those among you who dont think there are certain news outlets that are so one sided, they will bury a story. Check this out.

http://realclearpolitics.blogs.time.com/2009/07…

Just something to think about when you're reading the news paper or watching the news. Sometimes its pretty obvious what's going on. The New York Times is an absolute horrible new outlet


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:44 am

So you're telling us that almost 50 years ago, in the recently-added state of Hawaii …. What?

Coward.

Liar.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:45 am

lol

I answered it just. I told you, i could care less about it except it just makes sense to me for Obama to show the long form certificate is all. Show it and then this entire story goes away for ever. How does that not make sense.

If its a conspiracy, why doesnt Obama just debunk it for good?


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:46 am

See now you're just being foolish. If you cant communicate and have any type of rational back and forth commenting, then im not going to bother responding anymore.

You sound like a lunatic


captainsteve
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:46 am

Lou Dobbs is starting to investigate too. All honest inquiry is valuable!

Take a listen.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200907170039


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:47 am

It HAS been debunked, except for cowards and liars like you.

If you're saying deception has happened, then it must have been planned.

When did this plan start? 1962? 1492?

Coward.

Liar.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:49 am

What year did the deception you're claiming Obama is doing START?

Oh that's right, you can't answer because you're a coward and a liar.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:51 am

WHAT DECEPTION?


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:53 am

I never said anything about a deception. I said he probably is eligible. But to satisfy the critics, end this story, and save tax payer dollars, he should just show the long form birth certificate. He hasnt shown that one. That little thing he post on the website was the short form. Not the long form.

Apparently these people want to see the long form. So be it. Show it and the story about it is over for good. Why is that so difficult?


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:53 am

You're claiming Obama is deceiving us.

When was it was decided to engage in this deception? What year?

And you know I've been asking just that, but of course you're a coward and a liar.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:55 am

Oh yes, WALK IT BACK!

Walk back every thing you've insuated, you coward.

You liar.

You are truly pathetic.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:55 am

(Insert an “in” to make “insuated” into “insinuated.”)


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:56 am

And what exactly am I suppose to admit to defeat over. This isnt my birth certificate they are talking about. Im not running for president. I could care less about this.
Since i see you want to continue your crazy talk, im off to get some sleep. Perhaps we'll meet again but maybe then you can discuss something rationally.


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:00 am

Hour's up!

chuckj couldn't come up with any estimate about when the Obama crew started evilly conspiring to take over the White House.

'Cuz, yeah, it looks idiotic already, but if chuckj started claiming that this plot began in the 60s, the 70s or even the 80s, even HE knows he'd look like that much more of an idiot than he has already.

But without a conspiracy, why would Obama have begun in politics with a false birth certificate?


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:02 am

(turns to audience)

And THAT's how to get them to shut up!


navigator7
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:04 am

So…Where's The Birth Certificate?


geezlouis
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:05 am

I just love it how so many of you are being used by the re.t.a.rds to spread the rumor of Obama not being an American citizen…anyway, continue being used like a st.up.id f.o.ol…hey by the way Mc Cain was born in Panama, so if he was elected, will we have this issue today, does all of you fight for him to produce a long form or short form, or whatever form you guys want from him? So long form is the only legitimate document, and the short form produced by Obama is not the legit docs, so why the hell do they still use the short form by the state of Hawaii? Oh I see, they gave the short forms for fun, in actual fact, those given a short form is a joke, sorry, we you got ripe off, if you need the real long form birth certificate, there is an extra fee for that.

You guys are so funny…hey don't stop the good work, the entertainment is just way too addicting…because you know the ending is always the same, you spent millions to pay the lawyers to fight a lost cause…but the funny part is, you never learn the lesson, you guys are like a dog chasing after its tail going round and round…you know you will never be able to get the tail, even if you get it, you hurt yourselves by biting your own tail….the rest of us is just getting a good seat, take out the ice cold beers and watching you dogs going in circles trying to bit your own tail.


willhen50
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:05 am

I am curious; as Obama's longevity in the white house continues and he signs all the laws and is the defacto spokes person of the American people, what happens after the truth comes out and he is indeed ineligible to be president. The media has lauded on and on ad nauseum how great this guy is, will they turn on him? Will he continue to be president even though he is ineligible?
What will happen to the United States?????


just john
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:06 am

Send me fifty dollars and I might tell you.


willhen50
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:16 am

FactCheck.org is a web site run by the Annenberg project, who by the way was a sponsor and employer of obama along with ayers (the bomber), and the documentation did not prove a thing, just the banal certificate of live birth, not a “birth certificate” which has significant data, like doctor, hospital, et al.


werls
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:22 am

Let's get on the work of government. The Republicans who are saying this, do not want to vote on anything or help anyone. They are distracting us. The GnoP will not rule for years to come


delysia56
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:22 am

What absolute idiocy and lunacy! I think the bigots have really lost their minds since the First Family moved into the White House. What a miserable life they must lead: a life so full of paranoia, hatred and greed. I pity the fools!


barrysoetoro
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:36 am

All the Barry Soetoro fans can't have a rational discussion regarding this issue.
They can't answer questions about short form Certificate of Live Birth.
They can't answer questions of doctors or nurses who might have been present.
They can't answer multiple hospitals.
They can't answer the lockdown on school records from Occidental or Harvard.
They can't answer Indonesia or Pakistan.
Yet they can name call (birthers) What does that prove?
Stop with the John McCain, Factcheck, etc.
It just proves you have not done any research.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:55 am

I have proof that President Obama isn't a citizen. He was born in Nigeria. I can send anyone the ORGINAL birth certificate but the transaction requires maxiimum confidence. I'm getting it from a top offical of the federal government of Nigeria. I'm solicating your help because the documents are in the possession of the last military regime. Please note that the transaction is 100% safe.
Yours Faithfully,
Dr. Clement Okon


Oga
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:58 am

It's all about race with the Republicans…had Obama been white this wouldn't be an issue..the white house is occupied by someone their not use too..and their going nuts trying to fight the change. Little they know America has more changes coming her way….they need to start thinking how to get some of this change on their side and stop alienating other races….cause right now with the nomination of the first Latino supreme court justice the Republicans are between a rock and a hard place because the Hispanic community is watching how they handle her…..and if its not good they will pay @ the voting booth in the next election.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:59 am

So you really believe President Obama wasn't born in the USA. Why did Chief Justice Roberts give President Obama the oath of POTUS? He could of refused. Any Supreme Court Justice can give the oath?


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:02 am

Do you believe we walked on the moon? President Obama was born in the USA. He will be our President the next four years. Deal with it.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:04 am

To any of the birthers. Lets say you are right and President Obama wasn't born in the USA. What is his end game?


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:07 am

I've read on websites that President George W Bush was born in Canada. Can someone prove that our 43rd President was born in the USA by showing me his ORGINAL birth certificate?


Barry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:11 am

These are very sad people that would do just about anything to upset the course of destiny
an excellent road in front of us under the amazing leadership of a man who was born in Hawaii and so far has demonstrated to be the best President ever !

They need an excuse not to accept Barrack Obama as our President
they are the loosers… and will be left behind

Let us pray that they open their eyes and see how stupid they are behaving
join us and enjoy the ride with the rest of America

America is on its way to greatness under President Obama's leadership and guidance…
He is inspired by God but cannot do it alone
we have got to join him in this effort

Let us practice pity for those who care not for our country and behave in this
ignorant manner !


Barry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:13 am

ha -ha and you probably need us to send u all our bank details , etc

we know all about SCAMS in Nigeria …. you FOOL


Barry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:15 am

obviously nor have you !

do u even know how pathetic you sound ?


Barry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:16 am

I tell you what will happen to the USA …
it will go down the tubes… with

MORONS LIKE YOU in charge


Barry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:18 am

right under your…$&£&$£*£
can you see it when you are chasing your tail ?


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:18 am

Well said and good night.


glacialhills
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:19 am

Hey libs, seems if I was gonna post something as important as my COLB online, and I wanted everyone to believe it is a valid document I would…

1.Show it to, and Post it with the three major news agencies and not some mom n pop web blog site that none had heard of.

2. Not go around spouting that the jpeg is a birth certificate when it is actually a certificate of live birth (big difference between the two). Bound to make people suspicious when you mis categorize the only document you want to show as your proof of your eligibility,

3. Not alter or black out an area on the document when the bottom of the document tells you if you do that it invalidates the said document.Makes people think your hiding something again.

4. Use at least 72dpi when posting a jpeg to the internet(creating such a small scan screams I dont want you to see any details!)

4.(MOST IMPORTANT WAY TO PROVE VALIDITY OF AN ONLINE INTERNET BASED DOCUMENT) Use government protocols for validating an official document via computer generated image. So it will stand up to scrutiny if examined(like he knew it would be).Gee, I would think a Sitting Senator and his staff would know about government protocols for documents and things like that…hmmmm

I have to show 3 proofs of id when applying for some government documents,my daughter needed her BC to play AYSO soccer this year.

So, if all you have to show that Mr. obama meets the qualifications set forth in the Constitution to be President of the United States of America is a fuzzy, unofficial, non government protocol, nebulous jpeg posted on a couple of obscure websites I say I want a bit more proof of the man I am entrusting with the nuclear football for gosh sakes!!!

Like, oh I dont know, some corroborating evidence to prove where he was born, when did he return and regain citizenship after living abroad, when and how did he obtain a passport to travel to foreign countries in the 1980's, Has he went by more names than barry and barack (he didnt list the name barry on his bar exam as an alias) you know those type things…proof other than…. Cause he said so and cause he is smart and good looking and cool. And no other president needed to show anything…bla bla bla. Oh and the racist bs… maybe a few KKK members have joined in but most of us really want to get past race in this country…If Condi Rice or Colon P. would have won (both natural born citizens) I would be as proud as a peacock. To bad you only could find a good looking, Clean, well spoken (Mr. Bidens words) 1 year senator, with questionable friends( W Aires, the guy who barack launched his senate race with) Rev. Wright, the minister he never in 20 years heard say a racist remark, and a guy with an almost unknown background. He seemed to be able to fly all around the world while in college with no means of support or income. Did he ever have a real job? How did he pay for some of the most expensive colleges in the US when His grades were mediocre and not full scholarship worthy. These are the things that would backup his COLB and prove or disprove his NBC status.
I believe all recent presidents have shown their medical records and other documents when asked. Mr. Mccain showed his BC and other docs when he revealed he was born abroad( I dont believe he was eligible either by the way, no matter what congress said.)

So Some of us wont blindly follow this man because he said he was eligible and showed us a blurry Jpeg on the internet…that is what freedom is all about….Being able to question our government and not worry about being threatened or called names. Just as the left did with GWB. Look at what happened to the peeps in China that peacefully protested their government. Do you want our country to be like that?


Barry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:25 am

he is our President for the next 8 years – though I wish he was up to it forever ….

why does he have to jump every time morons come out with a new idea ?

showing them long form will only open up another idiotic line of argument
was it tampered with ? does it look genuine ? who signed it ? does he or she still exist ?

are you kidding me… if they do not wish to believe
not even GOD will convince them

by the way GOD has no birth certificate,
I do not see anyone being up in arms about it….

ha-ha
this is so very stupid , i call it a day, right here and now

GO President Obama
you are doing an amazing job
thank you for being there for us
when we need you the most

pay no attention to the enemy,…. they are in effect helping
because the more they attack you , the more God protects you

OH YES< HE CAN !


Barry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:28 am

not angry – you misunderstand…..

it is deep sadness for you morons ….it is hard to believe we live in the same glorious country with such disturbed racist GOP people ….

may God take good care of you ……


Barry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:31 am

instead of investigating McJoke's birth rights… they should investigate and finally put to rest the fact that he is no HERO
as every GOP claims that he is

McCain knows he is not , we can tell he is not, there is a lot of dark clouds over his shoulders… a lot of unanswered questions

but that is his problem with Our Creator…
who cares any more about what McCain is or not anyway ?


Barry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:33 am

showing them long form will only open up another idiotic line of argument
was it tampered with ? does it look genuine ? who signed it ? does he or she still exist ?

are you kidding me… if they do not wish to believe
not even GOD will convince them

by the way GOD has no birth certificate,
I do not see anyone being up in arms about it….

ha-ha
this is so very stupid , i call it a day, right here and now


Barry
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:34 am

showing them long form will only open up another idiotic line of argument
was it tampered with ? does it look genuine ? who signed it ? does he or she still exist ?

are you kidding me… if they do not wish to believe
not even GOD will convince them

by the way GOD has no birth certificate,
I do not see anyone being up in arms about it….

ha-ha
this is so very stupid , i call it a day, right here and now


birther
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:42 am

Let's not change the subject. McCain or Bush is not the president and he's irrelevant right now. What I can see from the replys is just nonsense reply as “Coward” and “Liar.” All the Birthers were asking is it is pretty obvious Obama is hiding something and you all know it because you are all pissed off about it when somebody asks for the original birth certificate. But all you kool aid drinkers reply is “That's stupid”, “Waste of Time”, “Liar” but technically not a response to why Obama is spending and paying high profile lawyers to keep his records away from public.

Show the original birth certificate and all this is case closed. Simple as that.

Unfortunately all the replys we get are just none positive and mostly if not all are insults and name callings. That's another way of indirectly admiting you you have no answer and you would not admit you are wrong because y'all are immature peeps. It is so hard and not acceptable for immature people to admit they are wrong. Period.


hello
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:43 am

wait a second, if Obama doesn't have a birth certificate, what is the possibility that he may try to launch nuclear or do something crazy like that. At this point we don't know who he is and here he has direct access to luanch nuclear weapons.


glacialhills
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:14 am

IHello, He is a self proclaimed constitutional scholar, He would have known he wasn't eligible(therefore lied) when he first considered running. If he could lie and cheat and do anything to become President, would you feel comfortable he had the power to blow up the world and didn't have a conscience and morals? Maybe you would, but most of us wouldn't. Also if we are willing to ignore pieces and parts of our Constitution, our founding document, when would it stop? That first amendment is soooo yesterday, lets ignore that too. Slippery slope and why our nation is so different than all the rest. We are ruled by laws and not popular consensus.


Ginny_in_CO
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:29 am

Since some folks absolutely refuse to listen to the facts and put them together with how many times this has been thrown out of court, I always fall back on something very basic.

The US Secret Service has access to ALL US intelligence information. If you want to get anywhere near POTUS or a candidate, they check your record. From birth certificate on. They also have the incredible responsibility of keeping POTUS alive – even if that means physically placing their own bodies around his. Obama was put on SS detail within a few months of announcing his candidacy. The better part of a year before anyone else. The SS had figured it would cost them in the millions to provide the protection starting that early. They also clearly saw the risk and calculated it would cost billions if he was assassinated.

I personally think they have not been given the recognition they deserve for the campaign success alone. He was one candidate of many, then one of 4 on top of POTUS, FLOTUS and the VP getting SS protection. In very public venues. Someone pointed out Obama was wearing a jacket the night of the All Star Game, fully zipped in 81 degree heat. Hiding the vest most likely. How else do you allow him to throw the ball in the middle of a packed stadium?

Anyone who thinks the US Secret Service is stupid enough, or so inefficient they would provide this service to someone they could easily prove was not eligible, needs to use some facts and logic to challenge their assumption.

Just because. McCain was born in Panama. On a US military base. The Constitution doesn't say anything about that. There was fringe discussion about whether he was eligible. The SS determined he was. The US Senate also went to the trouble to pass a resolution specifically addressing the idea, supporting the reality that children born on US bases overseas are considered US citizens.


linedrive
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:29 am

This article failed to mention that the Pentagon also pressured the employer of Maj. Cook to fire him after they revoked his duty assignment. The judge hearing the case about eligibility questions dismissed the case since the question over his deployment had been resolved by the revocation of his orders. The plaintiffs changed their case to question if the Pentagon had violated Whistleblower “laws” and the judge said he had to file in Florida (where he lives). Let's add ANOTHER log to the fire that is Obama's eligibility questions. Why not just show the long form birth certificate and SHUT EVERYONE UP! This makes it look like any officer in our VOLUNTEER military can file this sort of complaint and have the Pentagon respond in kind, a revocation of their orders and then threatenting companies to fire them for citing serious concerns on their part. Why not be serious in shutting them down? Provide the evidence.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

McCain was really hauled over the coals, by Congress, to prove his eligibility. Which, considering his family history and his sacrifices in Hanoi, is obscene.
“As ye sow, so shall ye reap”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

McCain was really hauled over the coals, by Congress, to prove his eligibility. Which, considering his family history and his sacrifices in Hanoi, is obscene.
“As ye sow, so shall ye reap”


Liberal Conspiracy » How crap is the right-wing media?
Pingback posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:46 am

[...] the right-wing media? by Sunny Hundal     July 18, 2009 at 2:46 pm This article in the Washington Independent focuses on the “birther movement”, obsessed by the view that Barack Obama was not born [...]


pradwastes
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:02 am

FACT-CHECK of The Annenberg Foundation on August 21, 2008 showed:
CERTIFICATE NO 151 1961-010641 That wast stored at the Obama for President Headquarters in Chicago. This was to prove that Obama was born in the USA


glacialhills
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:04 am

Ginny in Co, You are right, it is the secret services job to protect him, It is not , however, their job to Vet him.I am sure they have plenty of background on Mr. Obama, But where is it a law that they vet a candidate for President, in fact the law would be against them if they did release that info…privacy, HIPPA etc? They just follow orders and they were told to protect him and so they did. They do a wonderful job of doing so, but they would have no say in whether or not he was eligible to be a candidate, and there lies the conundrum…Who is responsible for vetting a presidential candidate as to their qualifications.We all believe there is no way someone could get as far as the POTUS without showing proof of his eligibility, and we all believe others have already vetting and twittered and blogged the issue to death(a judges comment) to one of the lawsuits. Everyone is pointing at everyone else as to the responsibility.of making sure a candidate is qualified . And the truth is Nobody did. And that is what the very smart,Constitutional scholar counted on.


birther
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:18 am

If the certificate is really that good then there should be no problem for him to release his original birth certificate. The conspiracy theory is basically most if not all Obama's fault. All he has to do is release his records as simple as that. Common sense tells you that he is hiding something “BAD” or “WRONG” if you hire and pay high profile lawyers to prevent the release of such records.

All he has to do is do the RIGHT thing, the GOOD thing which is release his original birth certificate.

Let me guess you'll start calling me names like , LIAR, Coward, Stupid, Idiot or say something like waste of money and time. If that's gonna be your reply then I already know you are immature enough not to admit you don't have any answer or you are immature enough not to admit you're wrong. Indirectly you did already.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

apparently, gotta add the ‘snark’ tag, SOME [(after)'birthers'] people [beverlyadams] are a little slow [beverlyadams] on the uptake [brain dead].


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

apparently, gotta add the ‘snark’ tag, SOME [(after)'birthers'] people [beverlyadams] are a little slow [beverlyadams] on the uptake [brain dead].


Navigator7
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

There is one constant when all liberals debate with conservatives and you are full of it.

We either have a constitution or we have lost our country.

I find it unsettlingly fitting our nation is bankrupt 180 days after sitting a liberal in the white house whose socialistic ideas will ultimately bring the downfall of America.

The enemy of America is the ignorant Obama supporter who can’t see past his or her own myopia. One who sees government as the source. A free-stuff generator that thrives off of a culture of citizens destined never to accomplish or produce. Obama supporters are the something-for-nothing crowd. Obama supporters have made America anemic via a lack of values, morals and the inability to cherish liberty and freedom.

Like bacteria, in high concentrations it is highly likely the bacteria will kill the host.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

gone all ‘caps’ on me, ouch. it’s apparent you didn’t read the detailed post below, ok. let me give you the short form:

it’s not the citizenship of the womb from which you spring that ‘qualifies’ you for running for President, it’s what country that womb is in when you are born.

womb makes him American. it doesn’t make him ‘qualified’ to be President, to be President you HAVE to be born on US soil.

which, he was. so please, turn off the ‘caps’ and take my suggestion to read additional info, IF there is a next time.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

gone all ‘caps’ on me, ouch. it’s apparent you didn’t read the detailed post below, ok. let me give you the short form:

it’s not the citizenship of the womb from which you spring that ‘qualifies’ you for running for President, it’s what country that womb is in when you are born.

womb makes him American. it doesn’t make him ‘qualified’ to be President, to be President you HAVE to be born on US soil.

which, he was. so please, turn off the ‘caps’ and take my suggestion to read additional info, IF there is a next time.


Michael Waters
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:00 am

1. Obama already has released his birth certificate. Is it the “original?” Of course not, since to release the original would make no sense. But he has released a copy of it, a copy verified by Hawaii authorities.

2. There is absolutely no evidence Obama has spent huge amounts of money on this matter; there is only the allegation.

3. After trying to debate birthers logically, and after pointing out facts that would dissuade rational people from continuing this campaign, I can only conclude that the true motives of birthers is hatred of President Obama. All the claims about the necessity to follow The Constitution serve as a fig leaf intended to cover the sheer hatred for a decent man, President Obama.

4. I don't defend Obama always, and I criticize him when he disappoints, but this entire issue is based on hatred for Obama, not on facts or reason.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

“He is a self proclaimed constitutional scholar”

No, you delusional fool, Obama graduated from Harvard Law School, where he was elected to head the Harvard Law Review by his fellow students. He also taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. If you took the time to read his book, “The Audacity of Hope” you would find that he has a very deep knowledge of the Constitution, American history and our founding fathers.
One of the more laughable things about “birthers” is that the candidate who was in fact ineligible to be president was John McCain, because he was born in Panama.
What’s underlying all of this is not that Obama was born in the wrong country, it’s that he was born the wrong color. To some people, white will always be right.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

“He is a self proclaimed constitutional scholar”

No, you delusional fool, Obama graduated from Harvard Law School, where he was elected to head the Harvard Law Review by his fellow students. He also taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago. If you took the time to read his book, “The Audacity of Hope” you would find that he has a very deep knowledge of the Constitution, American history and our founding fathers.
One of the more laughable things about “birthers” is that the candidate who was in fact ineligible to be president was John McCain, because he was born in Panama.
What’s underlying all of this is not that Obama was born in the wrong country, it’s that he was born the wrong color. To some people, white will always be right.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

Both of McCain’s parents were U.S citizens. His father was serving in the Navy. The Secret Service does not verify citizenship they are there to protect the candidates. Besides if Obama was applying for the Secret Service his tainted past would not get him a security clearance


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

Both of McCain’s parents were U.S citizens. His father was serving in the Navy. The Secret Service does not verify citizenship they are there to protect the candidates. Besides if Obama was applying for the Secret Service his tainted past would not get him a security clearance


birfers'r'dumb
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

When you sue the military, you lose your clearance. If Maj. Cook was too dumb to know this before he started his stunt with Whory Tights, that’s his problem.


birfers'r'dumb
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

When you sue the military, you lose your clearance. If Maj. Cook was too dumb to know this before he started his stunt with Whory Tights, that’s his problem.


Peace4Universe
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:34 am

President Obama did present a copy of the birth certificate. No one, not even you, would be given the original. For “birthers” to continue asking for the original shows how ignorant they are of the whole process. Have you read his books? I recommend that you do. Maybe you will then feel more comfortable knowing who he is. I'd much rather have an intelligent, calm, reasonable President handle the nuclear issues than soon-to-retire Governor of Alaska, who is apparently #1 among the Republicans. She, too, won't be able to show you the original birth certificate either.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

You doubt the authencity of the Certificate of Birth either because you’re not American yourself or you’re simply ignorant. In your wild and dilusional belief in the superioty of the white race,you could not believe in the evolution of time until this rude awakening of a black President.
Get a life,man.

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drdonn
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:31 am

If you were paying attention, you would know what his end game is. Wake up and smell the roses.


idontlikebluefalcons
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:43 am

In regards to MAJ Cook and his 'lawsuit', it was an outcome they should have been very well aware of. Cook is basically a “blue falcon” in which he volunteered to be deployed, got his orders, and then filed the frivilous lawsuit to get some media time for his cause. The lawsuit that Ms. Ortiz and Cook had filed is silly – especially in the language about taking illegal orders (the logic was just not there as it dealt with Obama's birth certificate and with the mission in Afghanistan). Look at the timeline to Cook's “volunteerism” in the link below – the story is not whether a military volunteer can file a compliant and not be hounded by retaliation as you so claim, but to what the motive behind the filing really is. Cook and Ortiz set-up this conflict.

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/032369.html

Cook basically gave the finger to the US Army, Central Command, Special Operations Command, the brigade he was going to Afghanistan with, and as well as the person who now has to backfill the position at this late in the game. Cook is not a team player. Cook and Ortiz used the orders as a crowbar to further their own goals, which did not align up with the mission in Afghanistan. Cook is lucky that he has lost only his civilian job so far, but then again, the US Army may very well investigate and boot him out of the militiary with a dishonorable discharge still (and that will dog him for the rest of his life).

You just don't bite the hand that feeds you. Much like the Dixie Chicks found out in around 2003 with their comments about POTUS Bush with their country-western music fans.


JACK
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:55 am

WHy doesn't Obama just write in for a duplicate. I got mine in 2 weeks


kb345
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

Didn’t you notice that they had lost their minds when they were IN power? Just wait, Bush, Cheney and the rest of the power-hungry freaks will have their day in court soon enough!


kb345
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Unfortunately, we are only guaranteed 4 yrs. of Obama, not 8 yrs. The next 4 remains to be seen. If it is Mitt Romney he is running against, he might have a slight fight on his hands, depending on the next 3.5 yrs go.


franknowzad
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:15 pm

Major Cook has a proud record of service, in a field desperately needed in Afghanistan at the moment. The army is overstretched and will struggle to replace this man.
What Maj. Cook has done is brave to the point of foolhardiness. However, he is an honourable soldier, who has been true to his vow of protecting the Constitution of the US. If it is true that the US army is persecuting the man, then it is a frightening day for all Patriots. If BHO's idea of taxing GI healthcare had gone ahead he 'd have been awash with such demands. After the Nuremberg trials the law has been trying to encourage soldiers to challenge unlawfull orders. If Join McCain (of all people!) had to release documents proving that he was a “natural citizen” then surely Barrack “Transparent” Obama can do the same.
Obama serves the people. If there is any reasonable demand, such as “show us your real birth certificate” then he must comply. After all, “why cover up if there's nothing to hide?”
What do you do when someone demands to see your birth certificate? Exactly.


franknowzad
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:17 pm

Hey, these are the same geniuses that “forgot” to make sure that Tim “taxcheat” Geithner had paid his taxes…


franknowzad
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

God works in mysterious ways. Obama fluffed his lines, the most important lines of his life. It was quite an omen…
If Obama truly is a great man then he has nothing to hide, indeed it would strengthen his presidency to be open and honest, even to people who dislike him.

But as my dear old mother said, “It's always the little things that catch liars out.”


JimPA
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

The birthers are sore losers. I don’t have enought information on the teabaggers to say anything.


eclecticman1
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:51 pm

Two points I would like the birthers to discuss. One is why did the Haiwaiin newspapers report Obama's birth on the day and at the time in Hawaii the birth certifcates have him born, if he was born in Kenya. Two, why would a young student couple leave Hawaii with its medical resources to travel to Kenya with its weaker medical resources to have a baby? And as a cororallary, who paid for the trip? Obama's dad and mom certainly didn't have the money and could anyone imagine the grandparents even agreeing to the trip, much less than paying for it. The whole birther thing is totally illogical but what is logic when you want to get rid of an African American president?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

IDIOTS!!


beverlyadams
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 12:58 pm

It's the LAW and Our Constitution, Idiot!!


kb345
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

And your expertise is……?
Idiot!


JimPA
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:02 pm

I too believe we walked on the moon in 69. But how can you be sure? I can provide tons of links saysing it was faked. The flag has a wave in it which is clearly evident on the footage. In zero gravity there would be no wave. Any proof offered is just dismissed.
President Obama DID provide his BC. He was in the IL stste senate for two terms and US senate for one term. This BC never came up. Chief Justice Roberts doesn’t have to give the oath. All that is required is a Supreme Court Justice. Why would a Republician and an very honorable man be part of this conspiracy. Some of President Obama decisions have scared the h3ll out of me. I don’t agree with them. I voted for President George W Bush in 2000. This birthers stuff is nonsense.


casy123
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:03 pm

Sorry, but this is the most idoitic issue to debate! Issues that are debatable are abortion, universal healthcare, the not so stimulus bill but the birth of Obama should not be debatable because this is something that can be CLEARLY PROVEN……all Obama has to do is provide a copy of his orginal birth certificate. If he does, he will shut the story up once and for all……….the fact that he hasn't raises more question and will raise the interest and numbers of those who will join the birther movement ESPECIALLY as the economy gets worse!

President Obama, please just provide a copy of your ORIGINAL birth certificate to put this issue to rest once and for all………why won't you?


kim
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:13 pm

Just show a copy of the long form. The one with the hospital, doctor, etc. Explain why in his own book, he said he was born in one hospital, and then sends a letter to a different hospital, congratulating them on a anniversary, and saying this was his birth hospital? Why did papers in Africa, during the President's visit, mention him coming back to the place of his birth? Why did snopes and other sites change his birthplace on their site recently, when another hospital said he was born there, instead of the one he claimed in his book? Folks, these are legitimate questions. There are enough oddities in this saga to merit doubts and wonder what's going on.


kb345
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

To all of these morons who don’t like the facts presented to them, don’t like their president and think that there is a better place to live, you have the right to MOVE THERE! So shut your ignorant mouths already. You have been given proof that you don’t want to accept, you have a president that has 100 times more moral fortitude and integrity than the entire last presidential cabinet COMBINED and STILL you go on and on about a birth certificate! Doesn’t it even bother you that your last president’s every word to you was a lie and even started a war which killed thousands of our young for no other reason than he wanted to make some money for himself and his good buddies? Iraq was never our enemy, Saddam never wanted to attack us and Bush admitted it all! Yet you blabber on and on about a stupid piece of paper! Why don’t you use your brains to think about how you were scammed by a man who was supposed to be looking out for your best interests and try to do something to get justice for it!


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:16 pm

I've seen this answer before. POST IT!
crickets


drjackh
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

Q & A: why did the Hawaiian newspapers report Obama's birth on the day and at the time in Hawaii the birth certificates have him born, if he was born in Kenya.

Answer:
Because, the newspaper only reported the fact that a Birth was registered via the issuance of the certificate. The


beverlyadams
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:17 pm

Considered a us Citizen but not a Natural Born Citizen as the Consitution says.


berniekay2
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

As a non American, I can't believe the level of ignorance coming out of there. Is is possible that Obama could have been born in Kenya? :

At the time he was born Kenya was a colony of the British government. His father – an African – was forbidden by jim crow laws from associating with white women (of all nationalities including US), leave alone marrying, having sex with and impregnanting one of them.

2. The British took this seriously as Prince Seretse Khama of Botswana would later find out when he attempted a mixed marriage: http://africanhistory.about.com/cs/biography/p/… While in the UK, the first president of Kenya married a white woman. She would never step in Kenya until after independence – thanks to the settlers and the British government. If a man who would be president could not bring his wife in to Kenya, how could a poor student pull it off?

If Obama senior had dared return to Kenya with his bride, both would have been arrested at the airport (where there were separate entry and exit points for blacks and whites) and imprisoned. Obama's mother would then have been deported, leaving the husband to serve his sentence.

It would be interesting for the 'Birthers' to state in what hospital Obama was born.

I still have to see a copy of the air-ticket used by Obama's mom to enter Kenya. It should not be hard to find such evidence if it exists! There were no direct flights from the US to Kenya and all visitors going to Kenya passed through London and one or two other stops – not a journey to be undertaken by a pregnant woman – leave alone one rushing to give birth abroad!

On the other hand Obama should do more to debunk this nonsense once and for all so these fellows can go home to brush their teeth and take a long overdue shower.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

Kim – Instead of repeating what you've heard please scan the book page and the letter. Please provide proof that snoopes change the page. not links from message board but legit news scources.
crickets


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

THAT’S (r) IDIOT


beverlyadams
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:22 pm

Sarah Palin would have no problem showing her original birth cert. to America because she is a Natural Born Citizen unlike Obama.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

God just proved this for us. Thanks you God for showing Frank the light.
“Then there was an awkward pause after Roberts prompted Obama with these words: “That I will execute the office of president to the United States faithfully.” The chief justice seemed to say “to” rather than “of,” but that was not the main problem. The main problem was that the word “faithfully” had floated upstream in the constitutional text, which actually says this: “That I will faithfully execute the office of president of the United States.”

Obama seemed to realize this, pausing quizzically after saying, “that I will execute.”

Roberts gave it another try, getting closer but still not quite right with this: “Faithfully the office of president of the United States.” He omitted the word “execute.”
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/16640


Sara123123
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

We are all “birthers”, I suppose, as we all have to provide our birth certificates for such activities as enrolling in public schools, working in sensitive government positions, obtaining a passport or visa, getting a drivers liscense, enrolling in little league, etc.

It is only the Democrats who apparently are not “birthers” when it comes to providing the President's birth certificate so as to qualify him as a natural born citizen as required by the US Constitution. This can be compared to the fact that the Democrats were against sexual harassment and perjury until their President became a sexual harrasser and liar in a court of law.

Your effort to demonize normal people who know that no one is above the law – not even the President and Democrat Party, is not going to work to shut everyone up about the elites' latest double standard in law. So why don't you just do as you are supposed to do as a newspaper and get Obama to produce the documents required to prove he is qualifed to be President in court instead of his current mode of covering up? If he is a natural born citizen, there is no problem and no reason for him to go to such extensive lengths to avoid answering the question in court case after court case.

If you don't do your job as journalists and attempt to cover up for him by demonizing people who dare question the President, you are not really journalists anymore. If it turns out Obama is not qualifed to be President, you could be seen as abetters in a crime.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

Crazy? You ‘fly over’ (state) morons will (probably not) appreciate this:

‘Crazy is as CRAZY does.’ (w/a nod to Forrest Gump).

as for: “Our nation is under attack by the greatest enemy it has ever faced. An enemy within is doing the ground work for our enemies abroad.”

Don’t leave us in suspense, out with it. some kind of ‘commie’ scourge conspiracy, i’m sure. Please, ‘educate’ us. It’s your ‘duty’ as a patriot.

and, as for: “Go ahead and make fun of the 400,000 plus citizens…” I’ve got a news ‘flash’ for ya, > 69 MILLION voted for PRESIDENT Obama, and, that drunk/addict history of family suicide wack job Glenn (‘Herr’) Beck’s ’912′ assertions aside (“we’ve got ‘em surrounded”) you might want to get some help with your ‘math’. it’s YOU (after)’birthers’ who are surrounded AND if you’re SO convinced of your convictions step into the light and be counted.


beverlyadams
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

This one has drank to much kool-aide.


kb345
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

No, explain to me what you are sayin? I don’t get it. Do brainless people know about scholarships for BRILLIANT people and financial aid? They pay for extremely smart people with ambition to go to expensive schools, they even pay for books and living expenses! In case you think that I’m making THAT up, my son went to an expensive school ($40,000/yr) on a scholarship because he is extremely smart and did well in school, I don’t think he is as smart as Obama, though. Obama was the editor of the Harvard Law Review, the first black one EVER!


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

I really didn't want to change the subjest by asking about President Grorge W Bush's BC. My point is you can always say it's a fake. You can repeat nonsense you read on other sites. Our President was born in the USA. Our President posted his birth certificate. Imagine durning WW2 you started this nonesense. Dude, we have serious issues. Were in two wars and he biggest finicial mess since the Great Depression. I don't agree with our President 100% but your birthers are nuts.


beverlyadams
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:40 pm

I receive at lease once or twice a week spam e-mail for Nigeria telling me I have won the lottery or some person trying to get to America. It's all a scam just like BHO.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Bev – Because Rush says it, Fox imply it doesn;t make it true. Our Preident has showed his BC. You birthers will always make up something.
My question to you: Do you believe we walked on the moon?


franknowzad
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

Check WorldNetDaily.org. It's all there, in colour, with links.
Whether or not you agree with the question, any honest person would see that there a a reasonable doubt here.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

Yawn Links? Facts? (Not just because Rush or Hannity siad it)


beverlyadams
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:47 pm

Hows the saying go, Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:50 pm

You provide a link to World Daily. My rebuttal: http://www.cnn.com Look maybe Snoopes made a mistake and corrected it. Can't say because no one can show me links. Our President was born in the USA. Lets start talking about more imporant things.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

Were you the guy that just talked about our President supports (and fact lovers) were name calling instead of addressing the issue?
Is Cheif Justice Roberts in on your conspiracy? He didn't have to deliver POTUS oath. He smiled while he was doing it. Didn't seem like he was mad.
Frank you're better than this. Do you believe we walked on the moon?


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

Bev – Please google ditto head.


franknowzad
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

Read the link. It's about Buchunaland- a “tribal area” of South Africa. Not Keyna and not part of the Empire, at that time. Jim Crow laws are a US invention. The UK was very forward thinking about race, eg non- white officers commanding whites, even the England cricket captain (Basil D'Olivera) was non-white.
Sarah Obama was very clear as to BHO's place of birth. But what would his grandmother know about it?


franknowzad
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

Can anyone remember how the Washington Post was treated when they exposed Watergate? Were they called “Gaters” and laughed at. Whilst the NY Times etc ignored the story. There's a Pullitzer Prize going begging here…


Normalsmarteducated
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

You are not normal in any sense of the word. He has already shown his birth certificate. He went to public schools where it was also shown. He also didn't go to college as a foreign exchange student. So don't be a nitwit, maybe you should go to college.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

Sara – I'm not a Democrat. I was a Republicanbut I am Independent now.
“If it turns out Obama is not qualifed to be President, you could be seen as abetters in a crime.”
The birthers will never be convinced. But if they are wrong (and I believe they are) the birthers will go down in history as equal to the people who think we never walked on the moon at a time of two wars and a ffinancial mess. Talk about national debt and you may have me. Not this nonsense.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

They dealed with facts. You deal in conspiracy theory. The real parallel is the group that believe we never walked on the moon.


jimpa
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

Hey Frank I have to go. Have a nice weekend.


mainstreetamerica
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:14 pm

From the Article:

Folks, get a life!

“It’s crazy,” said Janice Okubo, director of communications for the Hawaii Department of Health. “I don’t think anything is ever going to satisfy them.”

Okubo, who said that she gets weekly questions from Obama ‘Birthers’ that are “more like threats,” explained that the certificate of live birth reproduced by Obama’s campaign should have debunked the conspiracy theories. “If you were born in Bali, for example,” Okubo explained, “you could get a certificate from the state of Hawaii saying you were born in Bali. You could not get a certificate saying you were born in Honolulu. The state has to verify a fact like that for it to appear on the certificate. But it’s become very clear that it doesn’t matter what I say. The people who are questioning this bring up all these implausible scenarios. What if the physician lied? What if the state lied? It’s just become an urban legend at this point.”


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:16 pm

All Obama has to do is show his long form birth certificate. That's all. Then all of this would be over with. Instead he fights this thing going on a year now.

It kinda makes you wonder why he lets this drag out. I dont know if he is hiding something or isnt, but he sure is pretty secretive.His school records among other things were sealed as well. Why?

One question I always wondered. If he was poor growing up, who exactly paid for his schooling to Harvard and other expensive schools? His family didnt have any money. He's never had to answer that question either.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:18 pm

You know something Norm? Were you ever curious how a poor boy in a poor family paid for those expensive schools? ….just sayin


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:20 pm

He showed a manufactured birth certificate not the long form birth certificate that tells us the attending doctor and the hospital he was born at. Don't believe me? Then try to find the hospital he was born or the physician that delivered him on the internet. You will get two different hospitals that he was born at. Obama could make this so easy by telling the state of Hawaii to release the long form of his birth certificate it would only cost him ten dollars. WHAT IS HE TRYING TO HIDE.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

I don’t like to use Wikipedia as a source, but it has a comprehensive
article on Wong Kim Ark v US in which the principle of jus sanguinis is
discussed. The United States uses both jus soli and jus sanguinis as
determinants of citizenship. As I mentioned in my conspiracy post, if your
mother was traveling in Spain, France or any country, and gave birth to you,
the US would consider you a natural born citizen via jus sanguinis. It
would not matter to the US that France or Spain might consider you a native
French or Spanish citizen also. Dual citizenship does not negate American
citizenship.

If you check the Wikipedia article and click on jus sanguinis, it takes you
to a discussion of jus sanguinis as a principle in multiple countries.

I should mention that in 1964 a faction argued that, since Barry Goldwater
was born in Arizona BEFORE became a state, he was not a natural born citizen
and thus ineligible to run for the presidency. This argument was as
specious, albeit for different reasons, as the current debate on President
Obama’s citizenship.

J. D. Bryce


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Barack Obama, thus far, is making it appear that a black person cannot competently run this country. So far, YES, he is making us look bad and I believe that unfortunately, it is going to get worse!

This has nothing to do with McCain, Palin or who ever else…this is about Obama and if you haven’t noticed, Obama has decided to follow Bush’s footstep in many respects! In the end, he is going to make Bush look good.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

“Have you read the countless factual articles written by investigators, journalists and countless other informed citizens.”

Have you read the SCOTUS DISmissal of Phol Berg’s (after)birther suit?


franknowzad
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

It's a mistake to think of the Birthers as a partisan political movement. Like the Teaparties it's a grassroots uprising, which terrifies the Establishment (D and R). It's a fact that Obama is hiding a lot of documents from the past. Have the courage of your belief in the man, and demand that he release the papers.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

Americium is not used in Carbon Dating—neither are microwaves or televisions or cell phones, and computers do not invent the data, but only TRY to process it. The frightening thing for you—and others of your apparent persuasion—is how recent in the past Carbon Dating has to be before it is actually reliable. Amazingly, it comes reasonably well into tune with Biblical Dating—but that’s not something that your overlords allow you to accept is it? How ironic that you would post on a site like this, whose name includes the term, “Independent”.


Tuck Neilson
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

A Hawaiian “Certificate of Live Birth” is not the same as their “Certification of Live Birth” He release the first which requires no witnesses, has no penalty for lying, can be filed after the birth and is not fact checked. By Hawaii records officials it is admitted that in 1961 it “was widely given out to non-US citizens”.

Only the CERTIFICATION or long form will unequivocally prove a US birth not just a registration of a birth somewhere that later was done in the US.


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

You are right on the money. His records at Columbia and Harvard are sealed. Why won't he release his admissions application? Was he trying to get in on a foreign scholarship? He could make this so easy by releasing the long form of his birth certificate. Nobody even knows what hospital he was born at. Why did John McCain release his long form birth certificate and medical files. Why won't Obama?


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Show the long form birth certificate and I will be satisfied


franknowzad
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:27 pm

Dear Janice Okubo, just show the original longform Birth Cerificate. What part of that don't you understand?

PS, get some good fire protection in your vaults. Don't want the socialists replaying their Reichstag tricks on your vault.


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

A ten dollar document. A long form birth certificate would settle this thing. But instead he hires a law firm to keep it from the public


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:31 pm

Remember this too, Congress held hearings on McCain, not so with Obama. Double standard? Of course.
Ill say, chances are he probably is eligible. But the bottom line is, if you now have people in the military wanting to see a long form birth certificate, I think its time Obama stops screwing around with this and show it.
You get all these liberals who get mad about the whole thing. Seriously, all he has to do is show the long form and all this is over with. He could actually do more and show all the records he has had sealed. But of course, we know he wont do that. For someone who is President, he sure is pretty secretive about his past. It just makes you wonder why.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Of course Americium is not used in Carbon dating, because Americium is not Carbon.

However, all radioactive isotopes obey the same physical laws that are used for radiometric dating. If you don’t believe in radiometric dating, then you don’t believe in the stuff that makes your smoke detector work.

As for microwaves and computers, those operate based on the same physical laws that establish that much of the universe is billions of years old.


franknowzad
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

We have reached the Tipping Point. Previously Birthers were the cranks and fanatics. But by persuasion, and honest hard work, they are now the voices of reason and democratic openess.
Maybe we should start calling Gibbs and the mainstream media “The Hiders”?

Has Pres. Soetoro made any mention of this subject yet?


truckermatt
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

Obama promised “transparency” he should provide the documents to prove his eligibility. The military basically admitted that Obama is not eligible by not charging or even challenging the Army Major's refusal to obey orders and deploy to Afganistan. Obama is keeping the “birther” conspiracy alive and well. He recently announced his “hospital of birth” has now been changed from what he has previously stated in the past. Then the web goes wild with all the websites changing the name of the new “hospital of birth”. I have joined the “birther” movement, based on what has come out of the actions and mouth of B.H. Obama.


ana
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

And you are a crazy person


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

I don't understand why this is nonsense. Why not show the long form birth certificate we would then know the hospital he was born at and the physician that delivered him. Are you folks afraid of finding out the truth that he isn't a “natural born” citizen. You are lying to yourself


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

NOTHING like a black man in the white house to make racist fear-mongering (after)'birthers' lose it.

I thought this thread was fini, last night. i provided links to: the state of Hawaii, Immigration/passport, the LAT (for very clear copy of the certificate), the US constitution, AND the SCOTUS dismissal pdf [pg 15] (capital DIS) of the Berg appeal re: Obama's qualifications to be President.

How about this, you brain-dead (after)'birthers'. As a US Senator Obama had to undergo background checks to be allowed access to our nation's most sensitive secrets (at least as they are known to the Foreign Relations committee).

The SAME kind of scrutiny/investigation that I had to go through when I joined the Navy and went into the nuclear power program, detailed, in person, FBI on your friends, neighbors, doorsteps detailed…get it?

No, I doubt you (after)'birthers' do. brain dead as you are. Please continue ranting, drooling, and pissing yourself in that dark corner of the room and we'll keep our kids and dogs (could be rabies) away from you.

Only 7.5 years to go. Sucks to be you.


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

Thats not true. They can't confirm that he was born on that day in hawaii. I don't know where you got your information but its wrong. They could of sent it three or four days later.


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

I don't think there are any legitimate news sources


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

I think thats pretty important knowing if your president was born in this country. I mean we wouldn't want him bankrupting this country then finding out he wasn't born here would we?


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

Dude, just to clear something up. The Navy doesnt sent the FBI out to your friends when you are getting a clearance. Trust me. I was in comms and had a higher clearance than you had.

And please, can you at least try to not call people racist just because they dont praise The One? That are some of you people only answer to anything. If someone challenges Obama on his secrecy…he must be a racist. If someone doesnt like his policies….they must be racist. Enough already with the racist calling. It's getting old.


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

Just like who paid for $1800 a year private high school education? Since you are telling me his parents didn't have any money. Your facts don't hold water. I can then say maybe his mother planned on going back to Hawaii and wanted him to be born there but he was born early. I can bring up as many hypothetical facts as you. Who paid for Columbia and Harvard?


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

Obama sat on the board of the Annenberg foundation. They aren't going to tell you the facts. Why don't they release all of their records on him? Fact check is phony. Their facts don't hold water.


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

Do you know what hospital he was born at or the attending physician? A long form birth certificate would tell us. Instead you believe something you haven't seen.


samiamnTN
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

Well the “FAKE” birth certificate posted on their website is just that! The author of it is on youtube and he shows how he done it. Besides even if he was born in Hawii, His childhood was spent in Indonesia and his own confession recently proves that, in Indonesia you can't be an American citizen and attend school there. He had to denounce his US citizenship.


navigator7
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

Kennethetucker,
It's amazing how Obama supporters try to make this a race issue.
It's not about Obama's color….It' what he stands for. Its what Obama says and does. It's about what his ideology means to the producers of this great nation. Obama is corrupting our nation with his upside down shakedown artist value system. Not to mention his….LIES.

Every hour that passes without resolving this Obama is becoming the Usurper in Chief.
If Obama turns our to be fraudulent our country will turn into civil war.

The same ideological nut cases who elected Obama will not understand the constitution and rules of law. They won't under the crisis at hand.
It will be Rodney King-Like riots across the land in areas of high blue concentration by the very people that helped elect Obama. The same folk who are ruining the foundations of this country by trading liberty and freedom for security and the “promise” of Faith Hope and Change.

One American soldier has chink Obama's armor and started a blood flow about to expose the gore and corruption that is the Obama Administration. Ironically, by doing his job like an American military man, he is going to be the bright white laser focal point of hate and contempt from people…..Like you!


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

If what you said is true then why won't he release his long form birth certicate. This would tell us the hospital he was born at and the attending doctor. Very simple and it would cost him only ten dollars.


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

I was TS cleared in '71 and local (Albany NY) FBI did thorough background checks on me, I can't answer for you. As for name calling, I'd suggest that it's actually 'truth in labeling'. Now, I know (as a former race relations counselor (USS New Orleans, LPH-11), that the truth can/does 'hurt', just like when a wound is cleaned and disinfected but… like the 12 stepping addicts and junkies say, the first step in fixing a problem is admitting it. The world, and the US, is getting 'browner' every day, and, I know, that's a difficult thing for some white people, accustomed to unquestioned privilege and power to handle, but… so was 8 years of a SCOTUS 'installed' Bush/Cheney regime… try mediation.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

Hello. Thank you for your reply! I looked up The Wong Kim Ark v US case yesterday. I thought that was more of a “jus soli” case. Wong was born in California. I may not understand the difference in the two terms. I do not understand Latin. Is “jus soli” related to citizenship when you are born in the US, and “jus sanguinis” when you are born to US parents outside of the US? I also don’t understand the two cases against Goldwater and Romney. The only thing I can figure on their cases is that because they lost the elections, it was never tried in court. Did Goldwater ever apply for US citizenship? Was he ever officially a US citizen? Same with Romney. Was he ever awarded citizenship? I can’t find these facts either. This paper is getting very long. I may not be able to use this topic because it might take too many pages to write. Back to my original question. Has there ever been a case where a person, born to US citizen parents, in a foreign country, not on US soverign soil, was granted US citizenship? Again, this is for research only. I have no stake or opinion for the current debate. I just want to get a good grade in school. Thank you.


beverlyadams
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Yes man has wwalked on the moon.


Maryellen Doyle
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

We knew it would be bad when we worked for his election to the highest office in land, but to blare your prejudice in this insipid manner shows your ignorance in true light. Y'all are showing your true caveman colors. Keep on truckin' so that all will know how few brain cells you have.

Cactusflower


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

You come up with all this crap but we still don't have the long form birth certicate. You know the one that tells us the hospital Obama was born at and the doctor that delivered him. What is he afraid of. Its a bunch of baloney that he went through a security clearance. How do you know? If he was applying for the FBI he couldn't get a security clearance. Talk about a racist Obama should look in the mirror


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

tsktsktsk…

“The same ideological nut cases who elected Obama…”

you mean these 69 million + folks?

Popular vote 69,456,897 59,934,814
Percentage 52.9% 45.7%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_pres…

As for the chicklenittle 'the sky is falling' BS… well, in your little mind I'm sure everything IS a 'mess'. Sucks to be you.

And, as for pinning your (delusional) “bright white laser focal point” hopes on: U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook and Orly Taitz… ROTFLMAO!! Now I KNOW you're on something or wayyyy off your meds! Anyone with the 'google machine' (and the inclination to use it) already knows what 'soldier''s scam is. Talk about pinning your hopes on a (dead) horse. Good luck with that.


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

Just because we want to verify his natural born citizenship white people are racists. You use this so much it gets old


mannix1962
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

Once again another person brainwashed by the media


kennethetucker
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

Losing SUCKS, doesn't it?


birfers'r'dumb
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

You're tedious. Repeating your bullshit 47 times doesn't make it true.

McCain was born outside the US. Obama wasn't. Obama has showed you his birth certificate, and it's your own crazy birfer problem that you won't believe it.

What you really want to see is his late mother's vagina. Pervert.


jackiebell
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

The bottom line here is that these “birther” folks are trying to divert President Obama from his job as President, and put in the shade, ever how long, all the plans for recovery which we must go forward with. Dignifying these conspiracy nuts would be a waste of time, considering they, being conspiracy nuts, would never be satisified anyway. Obviously,Obama would never have been able to enroll in public school without a birthcertifcate, much less be able to run for government office, etc. It's interesting that no one bothered wondering about his birth certificate until he ran for President. These birthers are ignorant racist bigots—that's all.


Wayoutwest
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

I have some more amo for the birthers. Did you know that JFK was responsible for Obama Sr. getting to Hawaii to attend school in 1960? The Kenyan students lacked the funds for transport to the US so JFK and others raised funds to fly them in. We all know that the Kennedys are founding members of The New World Order. JFK was killed for breaking ranks with TNWO, but he had already sown the seeds for future world domination. The only thing that doesn't fit is that Obama should have red hair, maybe he dyes it.


jackiebell
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

Sir–the whole matter is based on racism and the fact that some folks just can't tolerate a black man as President. I wish all of you could muster the fortitude to admit what you are—racist bigots!!! Your words betray you!!! Riots indeed!! What crisis are you talking about?? The only crisis is in your own befuddled mind. Gore-corruption??? Look, we have a recession to pull out of. If you are not interested in the matters at hand, which evidently you're not, stick your head back in the sand!


jjfitz
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

“Just show a copy of the long form. The one with the hospital, doctor, etc. ,” presupposes that something was required that was not provided. Wrong.

I have no desire to argue within such a framework. The cries of fraud, are themselves a manifest fraud. Our nation of laws, and one of her states therein– has in fact, duly certified the conclusion that President Obama was born in the Hawaii, USA.

This “birther” fraud is not intended so serve reason or debate, it is the thrall of arbitrary doubt for the sake of arbitrary doubt. Instead of policy debates we have this? It's sad that when our country needs lively debate and diverse opinion -as if we were all one- that some have opted for another round of doubt and division so that their 'side' can 'win'.

Are GOP policy issues so weak that they can't stand debate? Don't bother answering that, your choice of methods already spoke… and the voters agreed.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

you funny.

and, since you obviously missed out when everyone’s parent were reading to them, and never quite ‘toned up’ on that skill set. let me clarify.

Obama CRUSHED McSame/Barbie by 10 MILLION VOTES.

And, he made you (R-Idiots) look ‘bad’, JUST like the (R-Idiots) you are he made you look SO bad that only 22% of those polled would even admit to bing (R-Idiots). That, of course, would include you and NOT me or any other the other 69 MILLION folks that voted for Obama.

See ya in NOVs to come! Bring that crazy party hat so we don’t ‘miss’ you!


navigator7
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

Yes, I do mean the 69 million who are actually buying the idea that Wealth Redistribution is an American ideal.

What? Is an election a popularity contest?
It is an ideological contest. Your side “won” but until the birth certificate issue is put to rest everything Obama has said or done compromises our nation.

We have a constitutional crisis. Our national security is at risk. Our constitution is at risk. Our general welfare is at risk. Obama's ideology is at the heart of the housing collapse. Our economy is an anemia made worse by Obama's pattern which is more the work of a devious and successful enemy than it is the work of an altruistic president.

Your collective mental disease known as liberalism is corroding the very foundation of our country like rust on steel.

Every platform your party stands on is divisive and gives power to the state and not the people.

The only productive thing Obama has done since taking office is sold more guns and ammo than any president in history.

Insulting me or any who question the modus operandi of Obama & Company is proof the man behind the curtain is little more than a Usurper.

WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, OBAMA?


d2i
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

You naysayers are missing the point as does this article.

Our Constitution clearly states that the POTUS MUST BE a “natural born citizen” owing no loyalties to any other nation.

Obama's father was a British subject, therefore ALL of his children were also British subjects by birth. This basic fact makes Obama ineligible. He was born with DUAL CITIZENSHIP meaning his loyalties by birth are divided.

Secondly, Obama was adopted by Indonesian Lolo Soetoro around the age of four or five. At that time, in order to receive state benefit of any kind, you had to declare citizenship to Indonesia. His mother and father HAD to declare citizenship so he could attend school. Also, if an Indonesian citizen brought a child into Indonesia under the age of five, according to Indonesian law, the child would automatically be adopted and become an Indonesian citizen.

Therefore, Obama was born as a DUAL national and is thereby ineligible to serve as POTUS under the laws of our nation. As well, he became a tri national by way of his Indonesian adoption by his second father Lolo Soetoro.

The reason folks want to see his long-form birth certificate is b/c of this adoption. According to our laws, once an individual is adopted, their original birth certificate is sealed and a new one is issued under the name of the new parents.

Why on earth this issue is so difficult for you to understand is beyond me. Take your rose colored glasses off and listen, read, research and learn for yourself. That's what the rest of us did so dammit you do it now.


jackiebell
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

You certainly aren't very picky in choosing “movements”, are you. And just what has come out of the “actions and mouth” of B.H. Obama that has turned you into a conspiracy freak? Join the movement who will forever and eternally reject any truth, any proof at all. You will never be satisfied, because that's how you're made.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

LOL No one is trying to divert anything. They have been trying to get him to show his long form birth certificate for A YEAR now! Geez, what is so hard about it?

He can make all these people shut up about it if he would just show the long form. And do you think he is being diverted? He has had his legal team dealing with this. He isnt doing anything.

Dont start on his school years either. He never showed college records or anything else for that matter. You are talking about a very secretive man who put many of his records under lock and key. Who can blame anyone for wanting to know more? He makes things worse by being so secretive like he is trying to hide something.


chuckj
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

No desire to argue then stop posting here.

And yes we conservatives can debate. Their are a ton of things to debate about regarding the lies on transparency, lobbyists, tax cheats, a sky rocketing deficit, more jobs being lost everyday, obamacare and everything in the fine print of that disasterous bill, Cap and Trade and all the nonsense that brings.

Plenty to debate about. Plenty of grips with this administration and we are only half a year in.


jackiebell
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

Why don't you try reading his autobiography??? That might be enlightening–to actually go into a fact finding mode. Everything that you question can be found–easily. And why should President Obama waste his time worrying the likes of you?


d2i
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

You, my friend, are wrong! This is not arbitrary nor is it some damned fantasy people have dre