Centcom: Yes, the President Is an American Citizen

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Wednesday, July 15, 2009 at 4:49 pm

Lt. Comm. William Speaks, a spokesman for Centcom, spoke with TWI today about Maj. Stefan F. Cook’s controversial request for conscientious objector status.

“Maj. Cook volunteered for the one year assignment to Afghanistan, in May of this year,” said Speaks. “After he brought this stuff to the fore, the unit that owned his billet canceled his orders.”

Speaks dismissed comments that Cook’s attorney Orly Taitz, made to WorldNetDaily, specifically her claim that “the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate.”

“This in no way validates any of the outlandish claims made by Maj. Cook or his attorney,” said Speaks. “The idea that this validates those charges about the president’s fitness for office is simply false.”

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24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 15, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

Weigel can't even seem to hit the space bar without misleading people. Speaks did not say that BHO is an American citizen, he simply disclaimed validating their claims. There's a big difference, but obviously Weigel is too intellectually dishonest or just too plain dumb to notice the difference.

Now, to make it clear, I'm not claiming that BHO is or is not an American citizen. My claim – backed up with the facts – is that BHO has not definitively proven where he was born.

I mean, seriously, when BHO, Snopes and Wikipedia can't get their stories straight on which hospital BHO was born in, you have to wonder what these people are trying to cover up. You'd think those who claim to know for a fact that he was born in HI would be able to keep their stories straight on which hospital it was. Not only that, but Obama's “birth hospital” is (literally) covering up a letter he sent them.

A real reporter would look into what's going on. Instead, Weigel writes stories with misleading headlines.


lilysmom
Comment posted July 15, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

Yet another Birther moran.

God help us. When did it become OK to be so stupid.


Saladdin
Comment posted July 15, 2009 @ 9:40 pm

24AheadDotCom,

Can you link to a more legitimate news source? (Other than WND or 24Ahead)? Besides, CENTCOM's reply was directed toward Taitz's complete misunderstanding of the CENTCOM decision. IMO, this guy Cook never wanted to be deployed to Afghanistan. If so, then why did he volunteer more than 4 months after the Pres was sworn in? Why did he wait until Orly Taitz web request?

If you want to hang your hat on an issue, fine, but the idea that you guys know the truth and that the FEC is covering it up, can you prove it? All I see on your site are conclusions and innuendoes? Since when is that legitimate news? This last sentance will explain why you are viewed by the general public as being on the extreme fringes.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 15, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

1. I have a corrections thread linked from each page; if anyone spots anything I've gotten factually or logically wrong, feel free to let me know. I put that thread up six weeks ago and, after tens of thousands of page views, so far no requests have come in.

2. You don't seem to have visited my site or understood my point. Once again, for the BHO cultists: my claim boils down to those – like Weigel – who falsely claim that BHO has proved where he was born. He has not. That doesn't mean he isn't a U.S. citizen or he wasn't born in HI. It just means that the evidence so far offered isn't definitive proof. Understanding that is very difficult for BHO cultists, but ask a smart friend to explain it to you.


Saladdin
Comment posted July 15, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

Didn't vote for the man, but I don't have sour grapes… The short form is on the website. The only time I saw my daughter's long form cert was when we were asked to fill it out. When my wife was discharged from the hospital we received the short form.

My daughter has acquired a US Passport, Driver's License and qualified for in state tuition – and all without a long form BC.


Saladdin
Comment posted July 15, 2009 @ 10:46 pm

Link http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/stateme…

Link to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_obama

“People who make these kinds of arguments don't try to assert a positive argument themselves. What they do is they refuse to accept evidence that someone else has presented,” says Ted Goertzel, a professor of sociology at Rutgers University in Camden, N.J., who has studied the psychology of people who believe in conspiracy theories.

People who embrace conspiracy theories tend to harbour deep suspicions about government, politicians and institutions, says Mr. Goertzel. So when a young African-American emerges from relative obscurity to become president, conspiracy theorists conclude his ascent resulted from some form of elaborate plot.

“If you are willing to be suspicious of all the arguments on one side and not even make an argument on the other, it's logically very unbalanced,” says Mr. Goertzel.

Mark Fenster, a University of Florida law, said the Obama's citizenship debate is flourishing mostly “on the margins of conservative politics.”


strangely_enough
Comment posted July 15, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

November 4, 1980.
And, anyway, the guy's got a website to pimp…


Ant
Comment posted July 15, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

IMO, this guy Cook never wanted to be deployed to Afghanistan. If so, then why did he volunteer more than 4 months after the Pres was sworn in? Why did he wait until Orly Taitz web request?

The whole thing was obviously staged.


jupitor
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 12:05 am

You don't get it! His Birth Certificate was verified authentic by the courts of the United States! It was showen all over the internet for pete sake! Even Senate and Congress Republicans gave up the torch when it was proven! Cook belied his own reason for not deploying by waiting for Four months to make this claim after signing up! Yes, believe it or not, Obama was the President when he signed up for deployment, and that hasn't changed! This man is either a COWARD OR HE'S HOOKED UP WITH THE LIKES OF RUSH AND HIS BUNCH OF CONSPIRACY THUGS!


JimBi
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 12:26 am

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obama…

From Factcheck.org:

Q: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed?

A: Yes. His campaign made a copy public after speculation by conservative bloggers that he might not be a “natural-born citizen.”

So, apparently, you think Factcheck.org are “BHO cultists”? So, basically, anyone who's not a birther is a “BHO cultist”?


NavyNerd
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 12:41 am

FYI, just a nitpick, the abbreviation for Lieutenant Commander would be LCDR or less commonly Lt. Cmdr.


Chima
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 12:55 am

So if this Maj Cook did not want to serve under our President, then why did he volunteer in May of this year, four months into the President's first term?


Chima
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Right…anyone who finds your assertions about President Obama's citizenship to be lacking in substance is labeled a “cultist”. I'm sure that will REALLY convince me now.


springfieldreformer
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:13 am

YOU don't get it. That BS short form is worthless! It is a recent document, '80's vintage at best, and BO was born in '61. BO's sister Maya has one just like it, and she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia. The document generated at his birth has never been seen by the public. His legal team has spent close to a million bucks making sure it stays hidden. His reported birthplace varies unpredictably between Queens Medical and Kapi'olani Medical, with such effect of confusion even snopes and factcheck got caught with their tail between their legs trying to keep up with the ever-shifting “truth.” That's such a low standard of vetting that a citizen of any country, who was sufficiently isolated as a youth, would be able to scrub their record and go for president. Jus say you're a “naturally born citizen” with real sincerity, and if enough people believe you, it becomes the truth, evidence notwithstanding. If the Constitution really means so little to people, why bother with any of it? The social contract is in breach, and all bets are off.


springfieldreformer
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:27 am

That's just a reference to the worthless short form document that can be generated on request. So this is just a big circular argument. He's a natural born citizen because we have a document that says he is. How do we know that document is valid? The hospital told us so. But they can't tell us what it actually says. But we trust them. The blogospheric forgery detectors who have numerous problems with unnatural artifacts and contradictory effects in the multiple graphic images? All idiots and whackos. Why, because they are questioning the unquestionable. BO would never lie to us. How do we know? Well, he just wouldn't. God help us.


DrDrew
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:46 am

I never saw George W. Bush's birth certificate and question his credentials as a US citizen. He's obviously foreign born as English had to be his 2nd or 3rd language.


lil_tj
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:04 am

My favorite part of the story is the guy didn't realize suing the Army gets your security clearance automatically revoked. So not only did this genius volunteer for duty when Obama had already been sworn in as president — he loses his day job at a DOD contractor. Instant Karma.


Jon H
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:05 am

” It is a recent document, '80's vintage at best, and BO was born in '61.”

Doesn't matter when it was printed, you moron, as long as the state says it's an official document.


Jon H
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:07 am

” How do we know that document is valid? The hospital told us so.”

And the state that issues the documents and maintains the records. That's how we know it's valid.

How do you know if your driver's license is valid? If you were to lose one, they could just generate a new one for you!!!1! Maybe you're impersonating yourself!

You, sir, are a moron.


springfieldreformer
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:09 am

I am so glad to have that spelled out, because it really exonerates the “birthers,” who have offered significant positive arguments for holding presidential candidates to the requirements of the Constitution, as well as positive arguments as to why BO does not so qualify. You are probably unaware of this (most “anti-birthers” are), but our country has at various times wrestled with the question of Natural Born Citizenship, and what it would take to positively affirm that status. Notable in the history of that definition is the following statement:

“…every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…. . . ”
- John Bingham in the United States House on March 9, 1866 (Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866))

So you tell me. How does one qualify to natural born citizen status if one's father's citizenship is Kenyan, British, or whatever, but not U.S., as BO has asserted about his father? The mother alone doesn't cut it, according to the definition given (and on other grounds as well), as the statement describes “parents” in the plural. True, such statements are not binding in themselves, but statutory interpretation of an otherwise unclear phrase demands consideration of legislative, cultural, historical, and linguistic aids to understanding if these are available, and they are. Therefore, with or without the birth certificate, BO by his own admission is probably unqualified to the office he currently holds. A Supreme Court decision to clarify the matter is in order.

As for where this debate is flourishing, it is most substantial where people still regard the social contract enshrined in our Constitution as something of greater value, and greater authority, than any one individual. No one is above the law. That's a good thing. Let's keep it that way, shall we?


springfieldreformer
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:35 am

One of the reasons I abhor the mindset of left and will never adopt it is its incessant devolution to name-calling. As a Christian, I am forbidden to engage in such unsatisfying trifles, but you are welcome to speak as you see fit. I do not think it advances the conversation.

As to the argument, you should know that appeal to authority is an ineffective move of desperation in a duel of logic. I don't “know” my driver's license is valid. I assume that it is because I have no particulars in evidence that might call it into question. As a matter of evidentiary analysis, BO's birth certificate signifies something far more important than my driver's license, and has far less persuasive power than the birth certificate I possess, which carries numerous uniquely identifying attributes such as the delivering physician's name and other hand written data. Forensically, my birth certificate is a gold mine of difficult to forge assertions and data that can be shown true or false to a high degree of reliability. I regret that you consider the BO document authoritative, because such gullibility renders you hopelessly vulnerable to a great many other possible deceptions that may occur in life. I wish you well.


springfieldreformer
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:45 am

Right, so if I print up some copies of the Constitution and sell each of them individually as the originally to people who take it on my authority that, yeah, this is genuine, it doesn't matter when the document was printed? Time of documentary origin matters in legal questions. Sorry if that disturbs you.

And why believe the state? The state is made up of people, and people do fudge the truth from time to time, if the motive is strong enough. Why not let us look at the long form and resolve the doubt? Do you really object to the bumper sticker so famous in the '60's & '70's, “Question Authority?” I though that was an established lib mantra. I'm so confused …


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Darkmoth
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:30 am

Why believe the state? Because the state DEFINES what an official document is. You do realize Obama has a driver's license and a Passport don't you?

Oh, and he's a Senator, a job *requiring* 9 years of citizenship. Why should anyone believe some bizarre theory INSTEAD of the State of Hawaii, the DoT, the whatever-department-gives-passports, and the Senatorial vetting process?

Believing that ALL these agencies are in on the scam is simply irrational.


Darkmoth
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:36 am

I think calling the claims “outlandish” leaves little doubt as to Speak's view of them.


Tyro
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:43 am

When the federal government asked to see my birth certificate while they were processing my security clearance, I showed them my birth certificate from the state I was born in: it came in the form of a printout with a raised seal, confirming my place and date of birth, printed around 2003. That *is* your birth certificate when you are asked to present it.

The security clearance official did not raise hue and cry that “OMG this is a recent document!”

It's so funny to find people who've never had to provide proof of citizenship for *anything* start telling the rest of us what our own official documents mean.


Tyro
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:45 am

“Weigel can't even seem to hit the space bar without misleading people.”

You're the _last_ person who should be going around criticizing their use of the space bar.


springfieldreformer
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:02 am

Well, keep in mind I do work, indirectly, for the state of Illinois. Hence my moniker. Based on the people I know here, the plausibility is extremely high that someone could dupe a half-aware system like ours. How did Blago get by for so long? He had dirt. There's dirt here still. I know some of it myself because as an attorney I work with people who have, shall we say, a clear view of the unseemly underbelly. I know things I can't tell 'cause I would get hurt. So my trust of the state is inversely proportional to the extent of my knowledge about how things really work. You are sooo naive.


springfieldreformer
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:23 am

If you find that satisfactory, then you are welcome to it. I have my “long form,” and I was surprised later in life to learn that the short form was so easy to acquire. I have my children's long form too. Copies, of course. Now what I love about your statement is how it demonstrates a theory I have about the left. You assert, indirectly, that I never had to use my birth certificate to prove my citizenship, when that is precisely what I have done on occasion. So what you have done is project your own experience onto me perhaps? You do not know me from Adam, yet you are prone to make these incorrect assumptions about me based on projection, so I can see now how you would make many other grandiose assumptions that would lead you to wrong conclusions about others as well. Even O. Dangerous business assumptions are. Make them you should not.


Darkmoth
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:46 am

Then we disagree on the meaning of naive. What's naive is:

to believe you have some super-sekrit information that was obvious to some blogger and YET beyond the grasp of the FBI.

to believe that the GOP would have allowed a non-native Obama to win the election (have you ever heard of oppo research?).

to imagine that Hawaiian newspaper articles announcing Obama's birth were *planted* 47 years ago, on the off chance the half-African child would be President.

to imagine that the 5 conservative judges on the SCOTUS would go along with this huge conspiracy (they have summarily rejected birther cases brought to them).

to imagine that, IF a non-Hawaii BC existed, it wouldn't have been leaked by now.

those things are naive. You're not simply talking about some bored clerk shoddily examining a document, you are claiming grand collusion in Obama's favor by some of his fiercest enemies, and some of our most powerful institutions. Hell, you're implying Dick freaking Cheney was in on the usurpation.

Sorry, that IS irrational, unless you can propose what awful power would let Obama coopt the *entire* government.


Tom
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:11 am

Staged. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Do you really think these people would be risking their careers, incomes, reputations and credibility over a non-issue? Perhaps, but the risk/reward ratio is obviously not in their favor.

I'd also like to see videotape of the President re-taking the oath of office that was so horribly botched. Not that it means much, right? Just symbolic, right?

Right… just like his certificate of live birth, which is NOT proof of birthplace, only an acknowledgment that a human being was born.

I want proof… proof that should be easily and almost instantaneously available.

I call on all military personnel with these same unanswered questions in their heart to give serious thought to this event.


springfieldreformer
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:11 am

No, no, the “super-secret” information I have is not about O. It's about some naughty local politicians who are in a position to screw things up for a lot of other people. And my information suggests the FBI is monitoring the situation. Just sayin, state corruption is not a hard place for my imagination to go. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

As for the Hawaiian newspaper accounts, I'd be interested in seeing them. Oh, but so as not to take someone else's word for it, can you direct me to an original confirmed source? I know an attorney who tried to find the same and couldn't. You could be a real pal and help us both out.

As for leaks and opp research, well, that's just surmise. Maybe the original Kenyan birth certificate was destroyed. Seems like the thing to do. And the GOP opp research people are probably as careless about the Constitution as most libs are. Even if they thought there was a problem, they knew it wouldn't sell, because it is hard to believe in such audacious behavior. The cold fact remains, I ain't seen the long form birth certificate, and you haven't either. There's got to be a reason for that.

But it's just not the biggest problem. The biggest problem are O's own statements about his dad's mixed citizenship. That's a no-go for “natural born citizen” status. That's a difficult legal concept and the birth certificate is a lot easier for people to argue about, so the true core legal issue is not really being kept in focus. Is it rational to worry about the Constitution being observed? If we mean to hold the Republic together, I think it is.


RedGraham
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 6:08 am

Dual citizenship makes Obama a one-time American before he was adopted by the Indonesian. Too bad he was NEVER a natural-born citizen as defined by the constitition hence he must keep all important records sealed from the public. One day he will be imprisoned, hanged or deported.


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 6:09 am

You said: “So you tell me. How does one qualify to natural born citizen status if one's father's citizenship is Kenyan, British, or whatever, but not U.S., as BO has asserted about his father? The mother alone doesn't cut it, according to the definition given (and on other grounds as well), as the statement describes “parents” in the plural.”

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Do you know a certain POTUS by the name of CHESTER A ARTHUR?

Do you know that his father is CANADIAN?


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 6:13 am

You said: “As a Christian, I am forbidden to engage in such unsatisfying trifles.”

And as Christian you're not allowed to slander.

Remember that part in the commandment about “False Witness”?


luther blissett
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 6:15 am

“The biggest problem are O's own statements about his dad's mixed citizenship. That's a no-go for “natural born citizen” status”

No, it isn't. It's stating the obvious: one country can't change another country's laws.

This happens all the time the other way around. People find out that a parent was an American citizen, and once the local consulate verifies it, that person is recognized as a citizen from birth. No certificate of naturalization, no test, no oath required. Natural-born. And “natural-born” definitely doesn't mean “one citizenship only”.

But we get it, springy. You really want to see footage of Obama emerging from his mother's vagina while holding up a copy of the Honolulu Advertizer for that day. And then you'll ask for an exhumation to verify the vagina.

Whatever turns you on.


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 6:17 am

You said: “Right… just like his certificate of live birth, which is NOT proof of birthplace, only an acknowledgment that a human being was born.”

Uh Tom, Obama's COLB put his PLACE OF BIRTH as Honolulu, Hawaii.

Have you been to the website which SHOWS HIS COLB TO EVERYONE WHO WANTS PROOF?

You may disbelieve the authenticity of the COLB in that website all you want but please don't misrepresent what the COLB says.


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 6:21 am

You said: “Dangerous business assumptions are. Make them you should not.”

Then i think
you should take your own advice and not assuming that Obama is not NBC just because you haven't seen his “long form” BC.


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 6:26 am

Red, why do you do this.?

Haven't i already refute you with excerpts from SCOTUS decision on United States Vs Wong Kim Ark?

Don't you know that according to 14th Amendment ANYONE WHO WAS BORN ON UNITED STATES is constitutionally a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN?

No offense Red, but do you really have an adopted Korean daughter like you told me back then?


Tom
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 7:19 am

Uh LaLee, the COLB lists Hawaii as the place of birth, because that's what the CLAIM of birthplace listed.

A true birth certificate is only issued when there is an actual live birth in the state of issue. It requires witnesses and depending on the state, other attestations.

Think about it…
You are a resident of Hawaii, pregnant, and travel to Kenya to visit your husband.
You have the baby in Kenya and fly home to Hawaii.
You go to the state and tell them you have birthed a child at home.
They confirm your residency and issue a…….. COLB not a standard BC

You now have a document stating the child was born in Hawaii, but no real proof.

Even if genuine, the COLB is not verifiable proof of birthplace.

Combine all this with the culture of secrecy established by BO and company and the situation demands a formal investigation.


Tom
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 7:26 am

and Abraham Lincoln's mother was a Turkish belly dancer…

please

Just because the standards were not met in the past, does not excuse their avoidance and dismissal in the present.


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 7:30 am

You said: “Even if genuine, the COLB is not verifiable proof of birthplace.”

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

No offense Tom, but even the “flat earthers” didn't dispute that the picture of Earth from outer space as a real evidence that the Earth is round.

Oh BTW Tom, Obama's mother DIDN'T GO TO KENYA when she was pregnant with him.

So unless you have proof of this then your other “arguments” are discredited.


Tom
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 7:52 am

I included the hypothetical trip to Kenya to illustrate the…..

oh never mind

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 8:14 am

You said: “I included the hypothetical trip to Kenya to illustrate the…..”

“Birth Certificate Conspiracy” theorists' lack of evidence? /Sarcasm.


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 8:16 am

You said: “Just because the standards were not met in the past, does not excuse their avoidance and dismissal in the present.”

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Sour grape is sour /Sarcasm.


JimBi
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 8:47 am

Let's face it, friend. It's pretty clear that there's no source you would trust on this matter. The folks at Factcheck.org have seen the original (long form) birth certificate and posted high-resolution photos online for all to see. It has the seal of the state of Hawaii and all the required signatures. Heck, last year a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961. So apparently you believe that there must be a conspiracy on the part of the Honolulu Advertiser, dating back to 1961, to falsify the birth of a foreigner they thought might be elected President one day. You have a right to that belief, of course, but don't for one minute think it's rational. It's not.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

AHA….*Sigh*.

Orly Taitz?

Really?

Do you know that SHE HAD NEVER WON A CASE?

Oh BTW Lex Luthor was POTUS in the DC universe.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

Yep, Orly Taitz. And she’s admitted before the bar in California, bound by the California Bar’s Rules of Professional Conduct and the California State Bar Act.

That makes her a more reliable source of information than, say, Barry Soetoro.

And, yeah, I knew that Lex Luthor had been POTUS’d in the Superman plenum. Why do you think I mentioned his name?

In a stagnant pond, you get scum on top.


Randwulf
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

A Navy Lt. CMDR. is not going to have the security clearance to know first hand what is actually going on with any of this in the first place. Unless he has been in the Hawaiian records vaults himself, how could he know anything about what is or is not there?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

*Sigh”.

You seriously believe a lawyer who got her degree from online university is better or more reliable than the one who GRADUATED MAGNA CUM LAUDE from Harvard?

No wonder.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

Hey, she’s also a dentist. Professional courtesy’s got to count for something, doesn’t it?

As for our affirmative action socialist, what do you have of his undergraduate or law school records to support his academic performance?

Ever heard of “grade inflation”?

Barry has released NONE of his college (or high school, or Kindergarten) records, and we have precisely NOTHING of any work he may have done as President of Harvard Law Review.

The guy’s a cipher. A ghost. “The little man who wasn’t there.”


Tom
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Pedigree doesn’t infer honesty, only the ability to lie more intelligently.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 10:53 am

U.S. Citizen? Possibly. “Natural-born” U.S. citizen? Less and less likely. So far, estimates of Barry Soetoro's legal expenses fending off the multiple lawsuits seeking to force disclosure of his “long-form” vault birth certificate (and other routinely released records) hit about $800,000 a couple of months ago. For $12 he could've had the state of Hawaii utter a signed-and-sealed REAL Certification of Live Birth (available to any resident of Hawaii, whether he was born there or not; his little maternal half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng, was born in Djakarta, Indonesia, and a COLB is what she uses in lieu of a birth certificate). For $20 he could have a certified copy of his “long-form” birth certificate issued. So why is he spending hundreds of thousands of bucks blocking litigation with slimy lawyer tricks when he could put a *res judicata* stopper in ALL of these lawsuits with one lousy, cheap piece of paper? Time to call in the Federal Marshals – and CNN – to see Barry-boy perp-walked out of the White House in handcuffs and ankle chains. We've got us a real “Nixon Moment” coming up, and I want to Tivo the live broadcast of history in the making.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 11:14 am

What has been seen, LaLee, is not a printed-upon-paper, signed and stamped official document uttered by the State of Hawaii, but rather a computer image – a JPG – e-mailed by the Obama campaign to DailyKos and to FactCheck.org last year.

No physical certificate of ANY KIND has been submitted to anyone remotely resembling a competent and impartial forensic documents examiner, and that includes the putative “Certification of Live Birth” of which the world has only seen a clumsily Photoshop-doctored computer image.

If a “long-form” vault birth certificate exists, and is held in the archives of the State of Hawaii, that state's government could easily utter a certified and true copy – signed and sealed – under any one of two conditions:

(a) Mr. Barry Soetoro (or Obama, or whatever-in-hell his name really is) provides a signed request.

(b) The State of Hawaii received a court order commanding the utterance of such a document.

Hawaii state law includes all sorts of privacy protections with regard to such documents, and rightly so. Absent a court order — or Barry's signed request – they're not allowed to disclose even whether or not such a “long-form” birth certificate exists, and (VERY carefully) they haven't. Read the various statements uttered by the responding officers of Hawaii's state government.

Again, Barry has spent a fortune (estimates run over $800,000 in legal fees) to prevent a court order from being issued to compel disclosure. Obviously, disclosure is something he really, REALLY wants to prevent.

So what is he hiding?

I mean, besides his academic records, his records as an elected officer of the State of Illinois, his law practice clients' list….

Well, you get the drift. Who the hell IS this guy, really?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

I do have to agree with you on one point – the two party system is broken. If you would have stated your opinion clearly in the first place – i.e.: I hate him for his policy – Instead of lowering yourself into the “he got elected because hes black’ and calling him a Magic Mulatto – your points would probably come off as serious instead of racist. I too would prefer an independent party to actually rise up in the face of two party adversity.. But hey – your are too busy calling me stupid, blathering on about a birth certificate controversy, or insulting the man because of the colour of his skin to have a meaningful conversation.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Tsk. Appeal to spite. You’ve no evidence to offer pertinent to the issue at hand, so you’re trying to leverage your own malice.

I’m perfectly willing to admit my personal dislike for both statists and stupid people (the sets overlap robustly), but that’s incidental, like observing how frightfully stupid YOU are.

Personalities aside, you have yet to offer any explanation why Barry Soetoro, our own Mocha Mamzer, has striven so prodigiously to avoid disclosing a certified true copy of his real, honest-to-obstetrics birth certificate.

And this is something you’ll never even attempt, isn’t it?

Wotta maroon….


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:47 pm

Bear in mind that I look upon Barry Soetoro as I look upon cancer.

I don’t care how he gets carved out. His malignancy is manifest, and the damage he has done – and will continue to do – warrant just about anything up to the point that we’re talking about someone with a middle name and sniper training.

Not that Crash Test Johnnie (the Enemy Ace) would be doing a better job. Democrat or Republican, to hell with them all.

But the indictment and conviction of Barry Soetoro would provide a crashing kick in the nuts to the arrogant unconstitutionality of the Presidency, an office that we desperately need to take down, and take down HARD.

We can get a “twofer” here. We nail a corrupt, criminous politician and we blow the prestige of the imperial presidency to hellangone.

Push it to the max, I say, and Allah smite the apostate.


Tyro
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 11:51 am

You're the one making blithe assertions about what is an isn't sufficient when you have no basis. But questioning Obama's birth just gives you something to do, and you've invented all sorts of crazy standards in your head that simply don't exist in real life. I showed you how to use birth certificates, and you act like the documents that are normally provided are some kind of unknown document you've never heard of before,

*Copies, of course.*

OMG! Those are RECENT DOCUMENTS! Your children MIGHT NOT BE CITIZENS!!111!!!

*You assert, indirectly, that I never had to use my birth certificate to prove my citizenship*

I don't actually believe you, since you seem to have very little understanding of what citizenship is or who to use birth certificates. You're making mindless assumptions for the purpose of associating yourself with various “birther movements” in order to compensate for the fact that you have a worthless, useless life.

What I suspect is that you have those souvenier documents from the hospital and don't realize that these aren't actually legitimate birth documents.

*You do not know me from Adam*

No, but I know your arguments make no sense and that you have very little understanding of how legal documents are used, so I make my judgments about you based on that.

My guess is that you had no idea what a “long form” was before you were told by your fellow birther cult-members that you should have been worried about it, and now you annoy us with your blabberings.

Seriously, there's really no reason why a normal person wouldn't think that Obama was born in the US. I don't remember hearing you blabber about this about Bush. On the other hand, that's because no one TOLD you to get upset about that when it came to Bush. W-hen you, having no friends and very little outside experience in life were told by a bunch of crazy Republicans to start believing that Obama wasn't a citizen, you obeyed.


Tyro
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 11:59 am

*The biggest problem are O's own statements about his dad's mixed citizenship.*

So you've gone from screeching about Obama's birth certificate to moving on to the fact that his father was foreign-born. It's funny how people who are on shakey ground to start with will simply move on to the next thing.

You're not doubting Obama's citizenship because you don't believe his birth certificate. You are doubting Obama's citizenship because you have a vested interest in not believing that he's American and are starting to make up things in your head to justify that belief and your arguments continue to get more ridiculous as they go.

Besides, shouldn't you be using your precious time to find out who murdered Vince Foster or which government agency destroyed the Twin Towers? Only after you figure those out should you look into who has been involved in spending the last 50 years forging documents and pretending that Obama was born in the USA.

Here's some advice springfield: associating with the Republican party will make you stupid and drive you crazy over time. The more you involve yourself with movement conservatism, the more and more detached you'll become from reality. Sure, it starts with little things like believing that cutting taxes increases revenue or that Bush is “a guy you'd like to have a beer with,” but it ends with willfully deluding yourself and lying to yourself about Obama's citizenship. Don't go down that path. Your children will learn to loathe you for having such an angry, deluded parent, and your only friends left on earth will be your fellow birther cultists. Not a place you want to be in life.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

Mocha Mamzer.. Wow, you’re even more hateful than I thought.. Regular poster at stormfront? I dont have to prove jack to you. Obama is President of the United States, and there is nothing – absolutely nothing – a bunch of old basement dwelling racist jerks like yourself can do about it. Cry about it all you want on message boards using $50 dollar words that you arrogantly think nobody can understand. In reality, you are a sad, sad, hateful old man..

Ive always wondered what life was like in Crazytown.. As their leader, thank you so much for explaining to me what a scary place it is that you live.


Tyro
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 12:05 pm

*If you find that satisfactory, then you are welcome to it.*

The federal government finds it satisfactory. Why? Because they're the ones who created that standards.

*I was surprised later in life to learn that the short form was so easy to acquire.*

That's the point. Someone in your state records office looks up the data in their files, prints out the results on an official form, and sends it to you. That's how you get a passport, driver's license, or verify your status for things like your job and security clearance. It's only recently that a fringe cult has started to claim that this isn't sufficient. And they've claimed it's only insufficient for Obama. Why now and why only for Obama? Well, many Republicans are very naive, haven't left the country, and don't know anyone of recent immigrant descent. When they meet someone like Obama, they freak out and don't know what to do. This allows them to be easily taken advantage of by demagogues and other charlatans.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Sorry bro, but you are off the deep end.. Far, Far off and past the bouy. You arent going to ‘Nail’ anyone… except in your wildest, and obviously insane, dreams. Post all you want in response, but I am done talking to a delusional wingbat..


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

Again and again and again, no one ANYWHERE has a real, print-on-paper, signed-and-stamped-by-a-Hawaii-state-government-official Certification of Live Birth (COLB) on Barack Hussein Obama (or whoever in hell he is).

All the Obama campaign had released was a computer graphic (JPG) image that shows obvious evidence of extraordinarily inept Photoshop tampering, possibly template'd from a COLB issued to Mr. Soetoro's maternal half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng (who was born in Djakarta, Indonesia). Nothing in the way of ANY sort of official utterance of the State of Hawaii has been provided to anyone qualified as an impartial and competent forensics document examiner, which is really what's required to evaluate the provenance and the legitimacy of this alleged “proof of birth.”

What's-his-name may be a U.S. citizen, sure. So is his half-sister.

What's plain – and becoming inescapable – is that he's not a “natural-born” citizen of these United States, as is required by Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution. Moreover, it's becoming plain that he knew that he was unqualified long before he decided to run for that office, and therefore has demonstrated criminal *mens rea* (“mind on the crime,” deliberate intention to commit a felony breach of the law) beyond any shadow of a doubt.

It's unnecessary to impeach him. If the gears grind properly, he'll be tucked away in a narrow little cell in Marion, Ohio, where they'll pipe in sunlight (if he's lucky) on alternate Tuesdays.

And – ghod help us – we get Joe Biden as POTUS. It's enough to make you puke your guts up.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Tom.

Sour grape is sour /Sarcasm.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

Oh, and congratulations on making it to the number 1 in most irrational and crazy-ass posts Ive ever responded to… good luck with all of your psychotic endeavors! I just pray you dont have access to weaponry any more dangerous than a butter knife.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Tuci, do you have ANY proof of this “grade inflation”?

If anything, do you have ANY PROOF of what you said about Obama?

FYI blog post is NOT evidence.

And the burden evidence is on the accuser, which is YOU.


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 12:35 pm

You said: “Again, Barry has spent a fortune (estimates run over $800,000 in legal fees) to prevent a court order from being issued to compel disclosure.”

Do you have ANY EVIDENCE of this?

Seriously, where do you get the number? And if it's a lawyer' retainer fee then it's IRRELEVANT because Obama would have paid the retainers fee whether or not he was sued.

“So what is he hiding?”

Tuci, when a guy refused to answer the question “When did you stop hitting your wife” does that mean the guy is hiding the fact that he hit his wife or he just doesn't want to dignify such a stupid question with an answer?

Do you get “the drift”? /Sarcasm.

“Who the hell IS this guy, really?”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vws9fTtQgz4


charlie
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Ahh, but the point is that George W. Bush was white. Obama is a black man and therefore could not possibly be a real American. Just ask the Birthers. Funny how you never see any black people questioning Obama's citizenship, not that birthers are racists or anything, just saying.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

For the $800,000 in legal fees figure? Jeez, you couldn't Websearch it for yourself? Among other places, go to:

http://skylla2012.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/obam…

…and:

http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=3220

As for what he's hiding, dump the “When did you stop beating your wife?” bushwah. What the hell does he suffer by releasing a true and certified copy of his vault “long-form” birth certificate? Or even a real copy (as opposed to doctored computer image) of his COLB?

You yourself have to provide more than this when you walk into your state DMV to apply for a driver's license.

As for who the hell he really is….

Well, I'd say he's a felon wriggling like the devil to duck indictment and conviction for “high crimes and misdemeanors” out the kazoo.

I just don't know for sure what his real name is.


i2ambler
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

I dont have my long form anymore.. Does that mean I am no longer a citizen? Nice logic…


i2ambler
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

So I guess you yourself have to actually hold the guy's birth certificate in your hands in order to believe that he has one? I guess you havent actually done much research, other than reading a bunch of chain letters.. here, stupid:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Read carefully.. although Im sure you will chalk it up to 'the liberal media' knowing the future and publishing an article on his birth in 1961 because they knew this would become an issue 40+ years later.

Have you read the constitution? article 2 section one states:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

This doesnt say anything about what IS a natural born citizen.. However – This does:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode0…

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

read that again..

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:14 pm

Depending on the state in which you live, it means you're going to have a helluva time renewing your driver's license, or dealing with any sort of official paper processing.

Insofar as I'm aware, all state governments maintain “long-form” birth records. If you have no certified and true copy of your birth certificate, you can certainly obtain one – for a fee – from the government of the state in which you'd been born. Quite a few states permit this to be done over the Internet or by mail.

The putative COLB image passed off as “proving” Barry Soetoro's natural-born status (hah!) would – if it were real – reflect the existence of a computer-printed State of Hawaii document issued in 2007. Of course, the seal is all wrong, the borders are all wrong, and the evidence of dumb-as-dog-droppings forgery is all to hellangone over that image….

Your new birth certificate copy would be issued currently – in 2009 – if you apply for it this year, but it would reflect just about all the information on the archived “long-form” vault birth certificate held in the archives of your state of birth. I suggest that you take steps to get it ASAP,

Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.


Sally Hill
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

Obama is black? Funny – I thought he was half white and half black – but raised by a white mother and white grandparents; attended predominently elite white schools. Humm…seems way more white than black to me. Wonder how people would view him if he had married a white woman – makes you wonder huh?

So – you want to discount his father (Kenyan ancestry) when determining his Natural Born Citizen status, but then claim his father's heritage when assessing his ethnicity? I see – you want it both ways – don't we all!


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

A BLOG? (Well technically they're two blogs).

That's where you get your info?

“You yourself have to provide more than this when you walk into your state DMV to apply for a driver's license.”

I don't know what kind of DMV you went to but the one i went to didn't ask to see my “long form” BC.

“I just don't know for sure what his real name is.”

Clark Kent? /Sarcasm.


Sally Hill
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:23 pm

Of course you would consider past cases such as the Ark case, but since that case was NOT a case for Ark becoming POTUS, it hardly holds any significance. Yes, I understand where you are coming and the precident would need to be taken into account when deciding the Obama case – but the Obama case would be unique in that no other case has been heard based on someone ACTUALLY running and winning POTUS status – therefore, SCOTUS needs to hear the case on it's merits and put this issue to bed once and for all.

You can't have it both ways – you can't say Obama is black because of his father, but his father has no part in determining his citizenship. What kind of reasoning is that?


Sally Hill
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:25 pm

And wait it sec – you think Anchor Babies are NCB? Wrong! Sorry, but I interpret the 14th Amendment way different than you – as do several SCOTUS cases.


David Weigel
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

Sources for these claims, please:

- “estimates of … legal expenses … hit about $800,000 a couple of months ago”

- “Maya Soetoro-Ng, was born in Djakarta, Indonesia, and a COLB is what she uses in lieu of a birth certificate”

For the second claim, show me the proof and the proof that the COLB lists her “city of birth” as Honolulu, as Obama's COLB does.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

Me? Hold it in MY hands? Darlin', do I look like a competent forensics document examiner?

I'd just like to put it into the hands of a panel of such individuals (let's take advantage of that old programmers' saying, “With enough eyes, all bugs are shallow”) and get such a document's validity and provenance firmly established.

If such a document ever existed. Jeez, you'd think that with all that ACORN money and the Executive Branch's entourage of dirty tricks experts, the silly bugger could've gotten a REALISTIC forgery or two into place by now, wouldn't you?

And, sure, I've read the Constitution. Unlike most of the bills and statutes violating that charter, it's a wonderfully concise document.

The “born in the United States” issue is what we're discussing here, right? As in “having a birth certificate actually signed by a doctor and a registrar at a hospital somewhere in the State of Hawaii,” right?

Ever deliver a baby, kiddo? Ever fill out a birth certificate as the attending physician? I have.

If that ridiculous forged JPG of a supposed “Certification of Live Birth” is reflective of the existence of a real birth certificate anywhere on this planet, the burden of proof is on whoever's trying to sell this line of bullpuckey. You want to buy it? Go right ahead.

When you're done, I've got this great real estate opportunity on the banks of the East River for you. Historical property, easy financing, and the tolls provide instant revenue the moment you take over….


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

Tsk. You've got Orly Taitz – an attorney admitted before the bar to practice law – in an open letter to the Congress, attesting to a matter of fact, stipulating the $800,000 figure to which you'd objected.

Yes, it's a secondary source. But would she have included that specific amount without confirmation to back it up?

Jeez, kiddo, you know less about the practice of law than you do about… Well, hell. Anything, really.

As for your state DMV's requirements for establishing proof of identity, if they're not requiring a birth certificate, they soon will. The trend has been growing ever since 2002, when it was discovered that John Allen Muhammad (the Beltway Sniper) had faked out the New Jersey DMV to get his car licensed in the Garden State when he wasn't a resident thereof.

Very embarrassing for those clowns in Trenton.

And anent Barack the Magic Mulatto's secret identity…

I'd say Lex Luthor, wouldn't you?


steadyjohn
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:52 pm

Centcom did not say the President is an American Citizen. They simply dismissed the claims of Cook and Tait as “outlandish”. Centcom cannot authoritatively say that Obama is a U.S. citizen because they are just as much in the dark as the rest of us. By the way, conscientious objector status is reserved for claims made under religious beliefs.


Jon H
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

” I know some of it myself because as an attorney”

You're an attorney? Either you're a liar, or you got your degree from the same crackerjack box as Orly.


changein2012
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

yes and over 95% of blacks VOTED FOR obama, no racism here, move along.


Jon H
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

Um, no.

You retain your US citizenship unless you *apply* for citizenship in another country with the intent of abandoning your US citizenship.

Getting Indonesian citizenship because your mother married an Indonesian would not result in a loss of US citizenship.


Jon H
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:06 pm

“Right, so if I print up some copies of the Constitution and sell each of them individually as the original”

BZZZZT. The COLB doesn't claim to be “the original” birth certificate. It is asserted by the state to be equivalent for all legal purposes.

If the National Archives issues a replica Constitution for sale, and says it's an exact duplicate, there'd be nothing wrong with that – it just means that there are no discrepancies.

No way are you a lawyer.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

Sources? See below. Orly Taitz – an attorney at law, and an officer of the court – has recently used the specific $800,000 dollar figure in an open letter to the Congress, and has published it online. As I've said, it's a secondary source, but do you think that she would have explicitly stipulated that sum without confirmation adequate to support her attestation?

Do your own online research, son. Google works a treat. Meanwhile, summary information (with a multitude of links) can be found at:

http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaCOLB.htm

…and:

http://polarik.blogtownhall.com/

For information on May Soetoro-Ng (including her birth in Djakarta), go to the decidedly Obama-friendly folks at Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Soetoro-Ng

Primary information on her Certification of Live Birth is not immediately available. Want to look at the COLB issued for Sun-Yat Sen instead? Hawaii state (and territorial) law has long provided for the utterance of COLB documents for people born out-of-state. Even out of country.

As for that doctored JPG “proving” ANYTHING about Hussein the Hubshi's city of birth….

Well, first you have to have a document to examine, don't you? What we've got is a sadly screwed-up computer graphic image that bears the same relationship to reality as a Mickey Mouse cartoon does to zoology.

When a document – a real, live document – eventually surfaces (and I'd think that with all that ACORN money Barry-boy can have afforded to get a realistic simulacrum forged by now), somebody with appropriate training and credentials can examine it.

Meanwhile, we've got to presume that this squirming socialist is sweating bullets and spending beaucoup bucks for a reason, and that reason includes criminal conspiracy to defraud.


i2ambler
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:20 pm

Do you have your original birth certificate signed by attending physician? I dont… I have a document very similar to the document held in the HANDS of the persons at the website that I linked. If you had bothered to check it out. Does that mean that I am not a citizen? Even though I was born in Texas? (Its still a state, at least for the time being – until lunatics like yourself in that state decide to secede)

Do you think someone with 'ACORN' money created a time machine and went back in time to create a newspaper article about births and deaths in Honolulu to include the birth of said Barrack Obama in 1961?

You and all of the other freepers need to get a clue and argue about something else… like who you are going to teabag next.


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:21 pm

The legal expenses are validated. Do your own research it is easy to find.

I have spend hours of fruitless effort attempting to validate the Maya/COLB claim.

Let me hasten to say that there is abundant proof that BO is NOT Constitutionally qualified.

SEE: http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/aka-o…


changein2012
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

What's the problem, O promised transparency and this is what we got – Birth Records, Medical Records, Occidental College Records, Columbia University Records, Harvard University Records and University of Chicago Records. oh wait, that's right, he refused to provide all of the above. silly me.


gimmeabreak
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

How do you explain the fact that in all the elections since the 60's blacks have voted over 90% for any Democrat candidate for President?


i2ambler
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

Interesting.. because I got my passport using this certificate.. And the 'image' of Obama's birth certificate is just that.. an image.. the document itself was looked over by factcheck. I guess nobody bothers to check facts, even when they are presented. Your obvious motive for challenging the birth certificate were demonstrated in your statement 'Magic Mulatto'.. You are a racist, who just cant stand an non-white male sitting in the office of the POTUS.


George Rundle
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

Kenyans proudly proclaim that Kenya is the land of Obama's birth. Obama's grandmother (step-grandmother) Sara Obama and aunt in Kenya both claim to have been present at his birth there.
Back in 1961, the new state of Hawaii issued birth certificates to children born overseas.
Why should a reasonable person not then assume that OBAMA WAS BORN IN KENYA !!!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

Do I have the original signed (and sealed) form issued at the time of my birth? Nope. But a copy is on file in the archives of the city and county in which I was born, back during the Truman Administration. I had to get a certified and true copy of it a few years ago, and that computer print-out (all nicely signed and stamped and sealed, on official paper designed – like Hawaii's – to show if there's been any tampering) is what I keep in my personal file folder.

And there's a helluva lot more on that birth certificate print-out than what's in that COLB simulacrum for Barry-boy, including the name of the hospital in which my mother was delivered.

Look at real, filled-out-in-the-Maternity-Ward example State of Hawaii birth certificates contemporary with Hussein's year of birth (1961) on Polarik's blog site, and you'll see that such information (and much more) gets onto those birth certificates, and is reflected on true, certified copies thereof, even if they're computer generated.

Are you being deliberately obtuse, or are you really as stupid as you seem?

As for ACORN money (or funds from a similarly criminal source) being made available to fund forgeries to support Barry Soetoro's bogus claim to “natural-born” citizen status, just what the hell is it that you don't understand about the words: “Chicago politician,” anyway?

Oh, and that delicious newspaper article. Could be forged (again, check out Polarik's report). Somehow, the birth of twins at Tripler Army Hospital on the date of Ms. Dunham's blessed event didn't get listed in that issue of the paper. Damned funny, that. Clearing it out of the archival microfilm would've left a space just big enough….

Or Barry's proud maternal grandmother – who was living in Honolulu – might've paid for the birth notice to be put in her local paper. Grandparents do that all the time, even when their daughters deliver in places like Mombasa, Kenya.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

So you got a passport using ta “short-form” birth record as part of the proof package? Good for you. Let's see what happens when your state DMV tightens its refulations.

And you BELIEVE those Obamaphilic perverts at FactCheck? Really? Wow! And they're – of course! – totally disinterested and objectively reliable arbiters of validity because….

Well, because they say they are, right? Oh, my. And these clowns are bonded or trained or licensed or certified or sworn or even pinky-promised-hope-to-die according to what standard or stipulation?

*Crickets Chirping!*

Hoo, boy. I hope you've filled out your donor card, kiddo. 'Cause you're a bare millimeter from being declared brain-dead, and there are a helluva lot of people who can put your viscera to better use than you're doing right now.


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

You said: “You can't have it both ways – you can't say Obama is black because of his father, but his father has no part in determining his citizenship.”

Sally, i have never said ANY of what you said.

If your argument has any merit then why do you put words to someone who disagrees with you?

As for “anchor babies”, can you tell me JUST ONE Supreme Court case where someone who was born on US soil lost his/her citizenship because one or both of his/her parents is/are foreigner?

It doesn't matter how you, or even i, interpret the 14th Amendment, what matters is how SCOTUS interpret it.


i2ambler
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

I would only be obtuse if I believed that you weren't a tinfoil hat wearing racist old man still living in said 'truman years'. You will give any excuse to hate the “mulatto” as you called him. Why? because he looks different, and has different ideas than you have.

I suppose anything can be forged – therefore you will NEVER believe anyone who doesnt look just like you was an actual, gasp, US Citizen, no matter what documents were provided to prove their case. There are alot of judges out there – both smarter and less racist than you – who have made the call.. The same judges who allowed GWB into office – even when he lost the popular election… Obama is a US Citizen.. get over it.

Just so you know – whenever insult someone based on their race, you instantly invalidate any argument you make.. so your 'Magic Mulatto' statement does just that..


i2ambler
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

state DMV tightens its regulations? Yeah ok.. Is 'kiddo' the best you have? Kiddo – and calling me stupid because I dont want to follow the latest conspiracy fad? Im no fan of Obama, I just think there are better things to spend your time on than arguing about a fact that has already been put to rest by people smarter than all of us in this conversation.

But hey, I guess you are retired and have nothing better to do than sculpt new tinfoil hats and listen to the Alex Jones show.. Go get some sun, gramps.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

Tsk. Circumstantial argumentum ad hominem. Imputing to me a motive I have neither expressed nor evidenced, simply because I characterize Hussein the Hubshi according to his sole politically advantageous characteristic (his low albedo), which is – let's face it – what got him elected.

What, you don't think that this raised-as-White-as-sour-cream faux noir phoney is any more “authentically Black” than Donnie and Marie, do you?

Still no differentiation between obtuseness and stupidity on your part. I'll have to go with a presumptive diagnosis of both. Double whammy, kiddo. You're dumb as dog-doo AND as deep in denial as the Aswan High Dam.

As for Barry's citizenship status – yeah, he may be a U.S. citizen. But is he a “natural-born” U.S. citizen within the meaning of Article II, Section 1, of the U.S. Constitution, or was he birthed in Mombasa and therefore criminally ineligible to have run for the office he now usurps?

Looks like it. Salt water or fresh, feces float.


meyerlansky
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

No, the case does not confirm natural born citizenship. It confirms “citizenship”.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

Kiddo, I'm calling you stupid because you're showing your nates with amazing regularity. There's no “fad” to factuality, and the denial thereof does you no benefit.

And, sure, you're “no fan of Obama.” Just someone bent obsessively upon denying factual reality and sucking down studied criminal deception as if it were mother's milk.

Look, if you really have “better things” on which to spend your time and effort, just shut your yap and set back. There are grown-ups talking, and you've obviously got nothing to contribute to the conversation.


jayacoop
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

Georgia Rundle -

Can you point me to actual statements from the grandmother – as opposed to people claiming that is what she said? Because she denies it.

Also – Hawaii did issue birth certificates to children born elsewhere. But can you point me to anything indicating that these birth certificates falsely state the child's place of birth as Hawaii? Because Obama's pretty plainly lists the place of birth as Honolulu.


i2ambler
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

You brought up his race in a derogatory fashion, not me: by calling him a 'the Magic Mulatto' What got Obama elected was the dire need for McCain not to be elected. His campaign was a catastrophe, as was his selection for Vice President. If you believe otherwise – you are truly and absolutely deluded… Keep on talking – dig yourself more and more of a hole. Keep piling on personal insults of my 'stupidity' Kiddo. I dont give a rats ass what colour the guy is. Your motive becomes clearer with every post you make. Keep talking. maybe crosspost this to Stormfront – your brothers await you there.

As I said before.. the constitution doesnt DESCRIBE what a natural born citizen is.. Have you actually READ it? I have.. it doesnt define a natural born citizen at all.

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

ook at Title 8 U.S. Code 1401:

§ 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;
(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;
(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;
(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;
(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years.

Note, that IF Obama were born in Kenya, Mars or the moon, he's still a natural-born citizen 'at birth' due to 'jus sanguinis' or 'law of blood' because his mother was a natural-born citizen (born in Kansas), even though his father was an alien (non-U.S. citizen)

So shut up.. and dont forget to eat your oatmeal..


changein2012
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:46 pm

ignorance.


i2ambler
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

Bent obsessively upon denying factual reality? hahaha.. thats rich. Factual reality is that Obama is President of the United States of America, and no tinfoil hat wearing clan of idots are going to change that fact.

Nothing to contribute? So I suppose everyone should just agree with what you say, even if it is a conspiracy theory based on speculation and racism.. . Sorry massa!


Joe in Texas
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

You people are not only traitors and lunatics, you're also not very bright.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Derogatory? Well, I do hate his guts. He's a flaming socialist, a Chicago politician, a lawyer, a liar, and the leader of the Democratic Party (which I consider just a wee bit more malignant than pancreatic adenocarcinoma). About the only thing I can say of him that's complimentary is that he's not a Republican (which is a slightly less malignant condition; about like small cell carcinoma of the lung).

And if he weren't a Schwarzer, do you honestly conjure that he'd have gotten the Democratic Party's nomination – much less gotten elected – in the first place? To the extent that his cutaneous melanin content places him in the “Mocha” category, that's about it.

He sure as hell doesn't have much of a record (in private life or public service), does he?

And on matters of political economics, he's about as completely Keynsian dead-from-the-neck-up as it's possible to get.

That you do not perceive all this as motive sufficient to hate His Fraudulency – without reference to his parentage, whatever in hell it actually is – then proof of your stupidity is manifest beyond doubt.

All I have to do is point it out.

And if the “natural-born” citizen issue is a non-issue for Barry Soetoro, why the hell d'you think he's working so friggin' hard to keep anybody from getting a look into his background, birth certificate, academic records, law practice clients list, Uncle Tom Cobbley and all?

“The guilty flee where no man pursueth,” and Mrs. Dunham's little boy Barry is running like a scalded marmoset.


Darkmoth
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

If their claims that he is NOT a citizen are “outlandish”, then they are obviously refuting those claims. “outlandish” claims are not generally considered to be true.


i2ambler
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

Therein lies the problem.. Everyone is stupid that doesnt believe the same thing you do. You hate anyone with a different view, or different look than you have. . I guess you have managed so far in life with your hate.. Good luck during the remainder of it.. Dont strain your voice yelling 'Get off my lawn!!'


Darkmoth
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Hawaii no longer offers “COLB” forms, as they went electronic around 2001. What they offer is what's on factcheck.org. However, since the modern version offers Honolulu as his Place of Birth, any other information is superfluous.

Therefore, all these questions of “why has he not shown his Birth Certificate?” can simply be answered by “He HAS”. There is no other form that he CAN show, because no other form exists. There is no other form he NEEDS to show, because the information on that form is sufficient to prove eligibility.


Darkmoth
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:27 pm

Hawaii no longer offers “COLB” forms, as they went electronic around 2001. What they offer is what's on factcheck.org. However, since the modern version offers Honolulu as his Place of Birth, any other information is superfluous.

Therefore, all these questions of “why has he not shown his Birth Certificate?” can simply be answered by “He HAS”. There is no other form that he CAN show, because no other form exists. There is no other form he NEEDS to show, because the information on that form is sufficient to prove eligibility.


steadyjohn
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

To be precise, I was referring to the headline above: “Centcom: Yes, the President is an American Citizen”. I suppose you could interpret the attempted refutation as an assertion to the contrary which was apparently the intention of the headline writer.


Darkmoth
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

You do realize that Obama has a Driver's License and a Passport don't you? Those required more than a jpeg image. He is also a US Senator, which requires citizenship for 9 years. Proving that required more than a jpeg image.

Simple question…if Obama is so *obviously* not eligible, why did the Republicans (including George Bush and DICK FREAKING CHENEY) allow him to win?

Are we now supposed to believe Dick Cheney is either stupid enough to fall for an obvious fake, or actually *in Obama's pocket”?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

Ah, the “why didn't the Republicans twig” line of nonsense.

Like the Republicans (America's own “Special Olympics” political party) can be entrusted with the task of policing ANYBODY's ethical practices?

Like they haven't a graveyard's worth of corpses stuffed into odd closets all over the planet?

Like they've had no incentive whatsoever to hand this Great Depression II – complete with Weimar Republic currency inflation and an economy so thoroughly in the tank that when we hit bottom, it's going to take the Glomar Explorer to retrieve the wreckage – over to their “bipartisan” buddies so that the guys who complete the disaster have a big “D” after their names instead of an “R”?

(( The fertilizer has hit the rotary impeller, boys. Git yer heads down and let the other guys catch the spatter. ))

Are you not willing to beleive that Dick Cheney wasn't SMART enough to make sure that a Democrat was sitting in the big chair behind the Resolute desk when the presidency got the “Hoover” treatment?

And I've never said that Barry Soetoro isn't a U.S. citizen.

But, then, so is Arnold Schwarzenegger.

And his little half-sister, Maya Soetoro-Ng.

And neither of them were born in these United States, either.


Darkmoth
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

Got it. You think the GOP threw the election. And of course the FBI, SCOTUS and State of Hawaii are in on it. I suppose the Joint Chiefs too.

Can I just say, wow. What's fascinating is that you presumably don't even realize how crazy that sounds.You've built an impressive Goliath to your David.

But realistically, here's the problem. You've dug yourself in so deep that any feasible proof is suspect. What the hell would a hypothetical Long Form prove? You think those can't be faked? Who could you trust to do the analysis (everyone can be bought off)? Why would you trust any legal ruling (SCOTUS is a party)? Etc, etc. You're locked in, you can't EVER believe it, so proving it to you is sort of pointless and irrelevant.

You, sir, are in a scary place.


LaLee
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

AHEM.

Excerpt from SCOTUS decision on “United States V Wong Kim Ark.”

“The first section of the fourteenth amendment of the constitution [169 U.S. 649, 676] begins with the words, 'All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.' As appears upon the face of the amendment, as well as from the history of the times, this was not intended to impose any new restrictions upon citizenship, or to prevent any persons from becoming citizens by the fact of birth within the United States, who would thereby have become citizens according to the law existing before its adoption. It is declaratory in form, and enabling and extending in effect. Its main purpose doubtless was, as has been often recognized by this court, to establish the citizenship of free negroes, which had been denied in the opinion delivered by Chief Justice Tae y in Scott v. Sandford (1857) 19 How. 393; and to put it beyond doubt that all blacks, as well as whites, born or naturalized within the jurisdiction of the United States, are citizens of the United States. Slaughter House Cases (1873) 16 Wall. 36, 73; Strauder v. West Virginia (1879) 100 U.S. 303 , 306; Ex parte Virginia (1879) Id. 339, 345; Neal v. Delaware (1880) 103 U.S. 370 , 386; Elk v. Wilkins (1884) 112 U.S. 94, 101 , 5 S. Sup. Ct. 41. But the opening words, 'All persons born,' are general, not to say universal, restricted only by place and jurisdiction, and not by color or race, as was clearly recognized in all the opinions delivered in the Slaughter House Cases, above cited.”

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.p…


i2ambler
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

The guy is as mad as a hatter.. see the thread I had with him earlier.. He truly is – in a scary place.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

Writes i2amble:

“Mocha Mamzer.. Wow, you’re even more hateful than I thought.. Regular poster at stormfront?”

Oh? You really think an Aryan Nation type is going to be using Yiddish?

And “mamzer” decribes our Halfling Hubshi with perfect accuracy, doesn’t it?

The point is that Barry Soetoro is criminally usurping the office of the Presidency, and belongs in a nice, dank federal prison cell, where he can write his own version of *Mein Kampf*.

If he can get them to let him have the same ghostwriter(s) he used to churn out his other books.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Gotta go upstairs. See ya, Darlin’.


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Tuci78
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 1:04 am

Yup, factual reality. Bothered to look into Polarik’s final report (online at multiple sites) and the work he’s done since? Bothered to LOOK at the JPG image purportedly created from a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth uttered in 2007?

Hey, that JPG is all you’ve got, Kiddo. The whole of what’s supposed to be “proof” that Barry Soetoro – Chicago machine politician, ACORN “community organizer,” and Islamic apostate (check out his years as a kid in Indonesia) – is a “natural-born” citizen of these United States.

If you had anything to contribute to the discussion, I figure you’d have yanked it out of your cloaca by now. You got nothing, zip, nada, bupkis. Wishful thinking. Whistling in the dark. “Nurmee!-Nurmee!-Nurmee!-Nurmee!-I’m-not-LISTENING!”

That’s the old i1Ambler style.

And if Barry isn’t a “natural-born” citizen of these United States, Crash Test Johnnie’s carefully orchestrated exercise in taking a dive notwithstanding, he’s not the POTUS, has never been the POTUS, and – like I said, though nausea born of personal experience with the sonofabitch overcomes me – Joe “Hairplug” Biden is the legitimate chief executive of our federal government, may Baal, Buddha, and Bastet have mercy on us.


stuff
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Sure he has. Except for the serial number at the top, which was blocked out with a big black digital box. Seeing as how the short form also says something to the effect of 'invalid if altered in any way' at the bottom, what he put forward was an invalid document.

Why block out the number? Perhaps because if a number was issued that was too high or too low for the birth date, people could figure out it was issued much later than purported. Perhaps because they would have to make up a number. Perhaps because it would allow someone to trace back to the original hospital-generated document with conflicting info.

There is no good reason to have redacted that number, especially if there is no other information to be had.

Think about it.


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marianneusa
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 11:02 pm

Two many people question Obama, his Arab grandmother said she and a son and daughter were at Obama's birth in Kenya, is she lying? Does that mean that all of Obama's family lie?


marianneusa
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

I want to be on the jury who hears Obama's treason charges. I believe Obama should be hung for High treason and all who supported him, unless he shows he is an American Citizen. What a mess this will be, blacks who believe Obama is black will be killing whites and other nationalites who are disgusted with the White/Arab and the DNC, Chicago mobsters and ACORN. In a small town of Pahrump Nevada a sheriff for the good ole boys. Kept winning and he did that with votes from the dead, people who moved and double, tripple votes, etc, like ACORN. The FBI took the votes and another man finally won. Maybe the FBI will get guts enough to go after Obama for the sake of all true American's. Any historians who know how many Blacks died at Fort Henry when the British was firing on the flag? Many Scot-Irish and Germans died. Their bodies held up the flag. As the dead was carried away others took their place and their bodies held up the flag. Francis Scott Key wrote the the National Anthem when he entered the fort after hundreds of British ship fired on the flag and it till waved, tattered and blood from the men who died holding it up for our freedom; and wrote the song. http://www.thestarspangledbanner_asyouve_neverheardit.wmv. If you can't find it post me and I will send again. If this does not make you cry and care about where America is being taken. You will rue the day when Obama has fooled you and taken all your rights and destroyed your families.

Men died to protect their families from what they were running from in Britian to a new nation. Only Obama will rule under the Arab, not British rule then all the free nations will fall. Women will go back to being slave in a full dark gown and no educations.. I would rather be dead then see my family live like this (my ancester's felt the same way) and I guess I like others will be labeled terrorist for fighting for America, as my two brothers and sister and cousins did in the Viet War. I hold my bible and gun very close.

God save America.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 12:01 am

Writes LaLee (all the way down there):

“Tuci, do you have ANY proof of this 'grade inflation'?”

Presumptive evidence isn't good enough to present in a court of law, but it's sure as hell sufficient to get a subpoena duces tecum issued. Other political candidates routinely make an open book of their personal records, including their academic records. Has Barry Soetoro done the same?

Oh, HELL, no! Not at the Punahau School (the very expensive, very hoity-toity, top-rank preppie incubator where he went to high school), not at Occidental College (first two undergraduate years), not at Columbia University (graduating with grades anecdotally reported to have been sub-par for application to the average Enormous State University School of Shysterism, much less Harvard Law), not at Harvard Law (where despite his selection as the first [almost] Black president of Law Review, there is precisely NOTHING in the promulgations of said Law Review bearing his authorship). Nothing of how he managed to fund all this education, nothing reflecting who wrote his letters of recommendation, nothing anent the “influence” used to squeeze him past the obstacles of his self-admitted academic insufficiencies, nothing about whether he'd claimed foreign national status to gain preferential treatment and/or financial assistance….

Like I said, the guy is a ghost. A cipher. About as real as the Little Man Who Wasn't There.

Jeez, what *is* his real name, anyway? I'm holding out for “Major William Martin, Royal Marines.”

Yeah, I know, LaLee; you don't know dick about that, either. You're on the Web. Wiki it up, why don'tcha.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 12:11 am

What, you think that the Republicans – who still look fondly on Dick “I Am Not a Crook!” Nixon as one of the Good Guys – WOULDN'T throw a presidential election if they thought it would benefit them in either the short or the long run?

Where the hell were you in '96, when they nominated a walking corpse named Bob Dole to contend against our incumbent Irrumator-in-Chief?

And you put your faith in the agencies of civil government to protect your interests from the people who write their paychecks and control their promotion lists? Hoo, boy. Forget the Brooklyn Bridge. Son, I can hook you up with Bernie Madoff. Sure, he's in prison, but that just means he can manage your investment portfolio without any of those irritating distractions with which he used to contend. Just list your credit and bank account numbers in your reply to this comment, and we'll get you started on the path to prosperity in these uncertain times.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 12:26 am

I'm not an attorney, but – honestly – I don't think that Barry-boy's culpabilities rise to the level of treason.

Well, not yet, anyway. Give him time, though; I'm sure he'll come up with something along that line.

What we have here pretty much for sure is multiple counts of fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud, certainly including mail fraud/wire fraud. Be nice to get somebody with Lexis/Nexis access to look into the various federal, states', and District of Columbia statutes to define the size of the “book” that can be thrown at Ms. Dunham's little boy for the criminal usurpation of a public office he knowing sought while utterly disqualified to do so. Financial crimes are certainly in the package, particularly if he had attorneys in the employ of the U.S. government working to squelch all those lawsuits all over the nation pressing for disclosure of his birth certificate and other records.

I gotta figure that the RICO Act (Chapter 96, Title 18 USC § 1961-1968) comes in here big-time, too. Jeez, we might be able to indict the whole of the Democratic Party leadership, and a boatload of Republicans in the bargain.

Gonna need a lot more prison beds….


LaLee
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:44 am

You said: “his Arab grandmother said she and a son and daughter were at Obama's birth in Kenya, is she lying?”

Do you have video of her ACTUALLY said that?

I do mean HER, not her interpreter or someone who claimed to speak for her.


LaLee
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:45 am

You said: “Presumptive evidence isn't good enough to present in a court of law, but it's sure as hell sufficient to get a subpoena duces tecum issued.”

I don't know what law school you went to but how in the world could MERE SUSPICION be ground for ANY subpoena?


joe_heathen
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:26 am

Cook should be sent to Afghanistan immediately as a PVT E-1 and upon arrival, handed to the Taliban in exchange for the real American soldier they are holding and threatening to murder. At the very least, Cook might be able to atone for his scurrilous conduct because he has willfully compromised his citizenship, personal integrity, and oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.
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And he oughta take his ding bat lawyer with him because she's a professional loser at this particular game. Maybe she'll find more favor with the Taliban than she has so far with any US court, particularly the Supreme Court. A dentist practicing law with a computer-generated degree. Ain't America great?
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Even CG SOUTHCOM has stated he doesn't want this piece of fecal matter serving in his command area because he cannot be trusted and he is unfit for service. And the govt pulled his security clearance for the same reason, no less than they did for Jonathan Pollard.
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Whatta loser. Just like Ollie North, a convicted criminal.


RedGraham
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 8:02 am

The usurper's presidency will be nullified and he will be imprisoned, hanged or deported.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

We get it already.. you are crazy as hell.. Yes I know what mamzer means… It basically means bastard.. Just because its in yiddish doesnt mean its not racist bile.. To be honest, watching your responses is getting rather hilarious. You have demonstrated your absolute madness when you advocated assassination… You belong in a dank prison cell… There you can scribble racist epithets on the cell walls. In yiddish if you like.


Nikki
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

LCDR is the abbreviation for a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy. The Army’s abbreviation is Lt. Cmdr.


Nikki
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

LCDR is the abbreviation for a Lieutenant Commander in the Navy. The Army’s abbreviation is Lt. Cmdr.


Darkmoth
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

You are confusing a picture of a document with the actual document. When CIA memos are released to the public they are redacted in the same fashion, does that make the original memo invalid? Of course not.

“Seeing as how the short form also says something to the effect of 'invalid if altered in any way' at the bottom, what he put forward was an invalid document.”

That would be true if the DOCUMENT was altered. If the PICTURE was altered (as is obviously the case) you are seeing a redacted image of a VALID document. Because he is a Senator, we know someone has seen the original. You're assuming that you can tell a forgery from a bad jpeg, while the FBI couldn't tell the same from an original? That's kind of preposterous.


i2ambler
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

Bahh hahaha.. I just researched this Polarik. Oh my god, you have got to be kidding.. We are supposed to believe some anonymous blogger who posts some gibberish about authenticity? I too can create a blog with arrows and photos, and claims of expertise.. I can also create a video with my face blurred out… I can pretend to have degrees and put a title in front of my name on teh interwebs… Dr. Joe Singleton will be my name and I will have anonymous degrees from invisible schools.

Let me get this straight.. Polarik claims to have the following credentials:

Masters in Statistics
Masters in Experimental Psychology
Doctorate in Instructional Media
Doctorate in Experimental Psychology
PhD in Instructional Media and Experimental Psychology (dual major)
PhD in Instructional Systems
Masters Degree in Educational Research, Design, and Testing.
AND an expert in Hawaiian COLBs.

How many masters, doctorates, and PhDs is that? From what schools? Come on dude, and you are calling ME stupid? Im sure you will say:
“he is keeping his identity hidden to prevent the black helicopters from coming to take him away”

I wonder, do you wear a hunting jacket and carry a pair of binoculars every day – so that you can scan the sky for helicopters when you leave your home?

So.. you are believing some random internet guy who pops up with 'credentials' and 'proof'? But a legitimate fact check organization is in the tank.. and McCain lost the election on purpose, and Obama is really a Sasquatch with a taste for baby brains.

Cuckoo Cuckoo – Hows the weather in Crazytown? Orange? good.. good.. enjoy your stay.


Darkmoth
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

No, I simply don't think that is credible. I think love of power is FAR greater than caution in the GOP (and the Dems for that matter). I think every national politician is egotistical enough to believe that he CAN make a difference, despite the condition of a country.

More to the point, such a consipiracy would NOT BE A SECRET. The damn document has been seen by any number of people during Obama's career, and IF it were a forgery any one of those people could garner a couple million bucks by coming forward to “blow the lid off”.

Going even further, what the HELL would be the motivation of the SCOTUS and the military to go along? Don't give me that “they don't know it's fake” crap, if YOU can determine it's fake Antonin Scalia damn sure can. John Roberts is no idiot either. He didn't have an election to win or lose. What about the Joint Chiefs? According to you, all these men decided to throw the Constitution out the window so the GOP could avoid owning a bad economy??

You're the patriot, and they're all scum. For gods sake, why don't you see how that sounds?

Your problem isn't with Barack Obama. Your problem is that you think the ENTIRE United States Government is either not as smart as you, or ignores the Constitution at will. Again, if that's the case, why even bother asking for proof? What or who could you trust?


i2ambler
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

We get it, Howard.. the government is evil and 'you are as mad as hell and not going to take it anymore'

Here's a napkin to wipe the foam from your lips.


i2ambler
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

But, everyone is wrong and we are all stupider than he is.. Im not sure why either of us are bothering to respond to the guy, its not going to change anything.. He has left the pool, and the dog next door told him to do it.


Darkmoth
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

He may or may not be a lost cause, but frankly I'm responding just so this craziness and sloppy thinking doesn't go unrebutted. I'm sure lots of people who read these pages will never post, but are considering the points made.


slimslowslider
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Nope. Nope. Nope.


Victor
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Sam, Sam, Sam;

It's truly astounding to see a Mensan intellect like yours fail so utterly.

You say that “the legal expenses are validated.” No, they aren't. In fact, the only comment available online is from an attorney, Robert Bauer, who mentions that he's representing President Obama pro bono.

You say “that there is abundant proof that BO is NOT Constitutionally qualified.” No, there isn't. There are theories. There is unfounded speculation. There are uninformed comments. To date, however, there is no proof.

Can you submit solid facts in support of your assertions? To date, the answer has been a resounding “no.”

The history of conspiracy theories is long and distinguished. Flat Earthers, geocentrists, 9/11 Truthers… and now, the birthers, all lay claim to some wonderfully entertaining fairy tales.


hrh
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

Thank you.


shag11
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

This clown should (the major) should find the birth country of his heritage and begone.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

How do you conjure that the altered JPG computer image – which is not only diddled in the redaction of the certificate number but also modified in manifold other ways (see Polarik et al) – is in any way proof that a “VALID document” exists?

If the image is bogus, what gives you to believe that there was ever an original COLB from which this JPG was putatively scanned?

Again and again and again, the ONLY “evidence” provided by Barry Soetoro or the Obama campaign has been this computer graphic image.

Though the people at FactCheck claim to have held a print-on-paper version of this creature's “Certification of Live Birth” in their hands, they are neither impartial observers nor qualified experts in the examination and validation of forensic documents of any kind.

As for the “Because he [was] a Senator,” precisely what proofs of identity are required for a person to be sworn in as a U.S. Senator? The “natural-born” status required of a President of these United States is not a condition of membership in the U.S. Senate, and thus the question of Mr. Soetoro's alien origin would not have come up.

You're stretching to support a proposition for which no evidence whatsoever exists.


tioholltzman
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

“I did not have sexual relations with that woman.”
“Read my lips: no new taxes!”
“Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.”
“The United States does not torture.”
“I'm not a crook.”
“I am a natural born American Citizen.”
Politicians speak only the truth,
didn't y'all know that already?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

Claims of credentials notwithstanding, the final report (and subsequent materials) made available by Polarik have not been rebutted. Efforts to denigrate the person uttering a statement fall under the logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem (which, far from being simple insult, cause the attack voiced to fail of validity because it fails to address the substance of the argument being attacked).

This kind of stupidity is a remarkably common failing, but nonetheless inexcusable. i2ambler is demonstrating a fatal flaw of what we'll call – for charity's sake – reasoning.

Common in academia is the old saying that “the greatest fool can ask a question that the wisest man cannot answer.” Who Polarik might be, and whatever his qualifications are (and, yes, I've known lots of people with multiple postgraduate degrees; that i2ambler cannot conceive of such speaks more to i2ambler's narrow personal experience than to factual reality), the content and character of his reports, in and of themselves, have been thorough, detailed, and well-supported.

Polark asks questions and makes assertions that are well-founded. He can be refuted with utter and complete thoroughness simply by the provision of a true and certified real print-on-paper, signed and sealed copy of Barry Soetoro's “long form” birth certificate.

Indeed, inasmuch as the signs of alteration on the computer image purported to have been scanned from Barack Hussein Obama's “Certification of Live Birth,” it would be well for Mr. Soetoro to submit the original COLB from which that image was allegedly produced, so as to demonstrate that the Obama campaign had not knowingly provided to the public a forgery back in June 2008.

All of this can be done easily, within a few days, by Mr. Soetoro or his handlers.

If a “long form” birth certificate attesting to his “natural born” status does, indeed, exist. And if the COLB computer image the Obama campaign issued in 2008 was, in fact, not a complete fabrication created to commit fraud.

Again and again and again, i2ambler, what does Mr. Soetoro stand to lose by producing the requested documents? Why is he struggling so hard to escape such disclosure? What the hell is he hiding?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

I'm an individualist, and they're all statists.

They have to be, don't they? They all either work for civil government or seek to aggrandize the power and influence of civil government to achieve the objectives they espouse.

“Patriotism” can be voiced as a reason for taking any action. Be assured that the dispossession, proscription, and incarceration of the Nisei in 1942 was undertaken by men who considered themselves patriots of the finest kind, the principles of common law and the restraints of the U.S. Constitution notwithstanding.

As for my conclusion that “the ENTIRE United States Government” is made up of men and women who have no regard whatsoever for the rights of the individual citizen….

Well, have you been living in this country for any number of years?

Their cleverness I do not dispute. That each of them “ignores the Constitution at will” you, yourself, really cannot dispute.

“What or who could you trust?”

Not any single person aspiring to political power. Neither did the Founders, which – in spite of Hamilton's best efforts, the slim little bastard – the more recondite among that secret star chamber proceeding in Philadelphia wrote the charter as they did, and why the anti-federalists were so adamant about getting the Bill of Rights locked into place as a condition of the Constitution's ratification.

Darkmoth, if you DO trust those who govern, have you got a reason why? Given their track record in your own lifetime? Or are you too frightened or well-conditioned to think about it?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

12ambler (way down here) had written:

“We get it already.. you are crazy as hell.. Yes I know what mamzer means… It basically means bastard.. Just because its in yiddish doesnt mean its not racist bile.. To be honest, watching your responses is getting rather hilarious. You have demonstrated your absolute madness when you advocated assassination… You belong in a dank prison cell… There you can scribble racist epithets on the cell walls. In yiddish if you like.”

No, “mamzer” does not just mean “bastard.” To be precise, in Halakah, a mamzer is a person born of certain forbidden relationships between two Jews. That is, one who is born from a married woman as a product of adultery or someone born as a product of incest between certain close relatives. Unlike the common usage of “bastard,” a child born out of wedlock or between people of two different faiths is not in Jewish law a mamzer.

In colloquial American usage (among us goyim), the term “mamzer” is equivalent to “sonofabitch” or “bastard” in the pejorative sense, with the connotation of “thieving” or “sneaky” implicit.

That Ms. Dunham and Mr. Obama were lawfully married when little Barry first saw the light of day in that Mombasa maternity ward I have no reason to doubt, and upon that subject I feel no need to speculate. His legitimacy isn't pertinent to his qualification to occupy the office of President of these United States. His birthplace, however, is.

Given the jet-setting gadabout ways of Daddy and Mommy, there is ample reason to doubt Mr. Soetoro's claim to be a “natural-born” citizen of these United States. Such doubts can be settled INSTANTLY by Mr. Soetoro or his handlers through the provision of a print-on-paper, signed and sealed copy of his long-form real birth certificate (and, as I'd said earlier, the provision of the alleged Certification of Live Birth document from which the Obama campaign supposedly created the laughably Photoshop-doctored computer graphic image they issued in June 2008).

So where's the birth certificate, hm?

As I keep asking, why does Barry refuse to put such a simple piece of paper into the hands of competent and impartial forensic documents examiners?

Got any ideas, i2ambler, or are you “just jerking off?”


Tuci78
Comment posted July 17, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

Imprisoned, yes.

Hanged? Hardly.

Deported – where?

Well, we've got time to wrestle down that last question. He's got a term or twelve in Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary to serve first, doesn't he?


RedGraham
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 5:49 am

Major Cook for U.S. President in 2012!


bobapril
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:17 am

MAJ Cook carries his belief in Obama's foreign birth based on faith without evidence. Seems religious enough to me.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 10:24 am

The positive proposition is “Barry was born in Hawaii.”

To refute it, all you have to say is “Where's proof?”

If the materials offered in the way of “proof” are insufficient (and appear bogus for various reasons), recurring insistence on more robust proof is reasonable and warranted.

Stark refusal and concerted effort to deny the provision of such proof – particularly when it has been alleged that such proof exists – is presumptive evidence of intent to deceive.

Damn' near a QED here, bob.


steadyjohn
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 1:13 pm

bobapril: And your faith without evidence (belief) in the matter is exactly what?


euphgeek
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

In order to believe that Obama was not born in Hawaii, you have to believe the following:

1) That Hawaii's Department of Health placed two ads in two newspapers in August of 1961 announcing the birth of a baby to an unmarried mixed-race couple listing the couple's address as being in Hawaii because they knew he would run for president someday.

2) That the Republicans all the way from the governor of Hawaii to Dick Cheney, John McCain and Sarah Palin were complicit in keeping this secret just so that they could lose the election.

3) That Hillary Clinton, a person who even conservatives admit would stoop to any level and play any dirty trick she could in order to get power, spent millions of dollars trying to beat Obama when she could have done it easily by exposing him as someone who is not a natural born citizen and coasted to the presidency.

4) That FactCheck.org, who held the COLB in their hands and took photographs of it, are completely in the tank for Obama, even though they have debunked many of his campaign speeches and ads, exposing them as false just because George Soros donates money to them.

5) That all of the people mentioned above after all that planning and money invested were careless enough to fail to prevent Obama from posting an “obviously” forged birth certificate that could easily be exposed by an anonymous blogger on the internet, thus bringing their entire 48-year conspiracy crashing down around them.

I harbor no illusions that this will actually dissuade you from your nutty delusions, however. Logic and reason are lost on people like you. No matter how many lawsuits you lose due to having such illustrious people on your side as a dentist who got her law degree from an online diploma mill, a lawyer who believes Bush and Cheney planned 9/11, a politician who couldn't win an election to save his life and a soldier who volunteered for a mission just so that he could reject it.

And may I just add:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!


RDS49
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

Major Cook did not 'un-volunteer' for Afghanistan duty! His orders were revoked by the Military. The Coourt stated that since Major Cook would not be stationed in their district that he could REFILE his case in Florida where he resides. Note also that his employer was notified by DOD and did terminate his employment. This is a normal course of business or move to block?

Two Points:

First, stop the controversy by providing the Long Form Birth Certificate and not the Certificate of Live Birth which is not a Birth Certificate.

Second, on the Certificate of Live Birth it states that the Father’s race is ‘AFRICAN’. In the 1960’s the term used for race is ‘NEGRO’. To use the term ‘AFRICAN’ someone wants to be politically correct and created an openly bogus document.

Provide the long form Birth Certificate and end this.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 18, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

1) The Hawaii Department of Health wasn't placing notifications of births in any newspapers back in 1961. Why do you think that they did so? Hospitals then (and insofar as I know, now) provide such information to the newspapers. Back then, pretty much routinely. Today? Probably requires the parent(s) written permission. Then as now, ANYBODY can submit to a newspaper a request to publish notification of a child's birth or somebody else's death. My brother-in-law, who grew up locally but had lived three states away ever since he got out of the service in the '60s, died recently and was interred where he'd been living. My wife wanted his obituary published in the local paper to notify friends and family. The people at the local paper said “Sure. Can you give us the number of the funeral director to confirm it?” With that, they took my money and published the obituary. Picture Mr. & Mrs. Dunham, learning that their little girl had been delivered of a healthy male child in Mombasa. The call goes to *The Honolulu Advertiser*, and – hey, presto! – there's a birth notice in the local paper.

2) Are you mistaking me for a Republican? Or someone who trusts Republicans either to obey the law or look out for my interests? Jeez, wotta tool you are…

3) Similarly, you're expecting me to put my faith in The Woman With One Eyebrow, a Democrat? Oh, that's just TOO rich….

4) You don't live anywhere near Philly, do you? FactCheck is owned and operated by the Annenberg Foundation. You know bupkis about the Annenbergs, right? Did you check out their “About FactCheck” page and look at the people who run that Web site? No? Jeez, how'd I guess THAT? Buncha J-school types. And you think that among their number there is a single competent forensic documents examiner who'd know a paper printout of a JPG from a handbill for a massage parlor? And did you catch the breathless worshipfullness of their awed detailing of how they'd had the inestimable privilege of actually holding the birth certificate of their Anointed One in their own sweaty little hands….

Hey, I've seen fantasy-fixated slurpers in full spate before. I've been to Star Trek conventions.

5) Yup. Never underestimate the power of statist stupidity.

What's with all this dead-from-the-neck-up capital-letters-spewing you stupid Obamamaniacs like to close your posts with? Does it give you some kinda rush, or what?


RedGraham
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:00 am

It is possible he was once an American its just too bad he wasn't “natural-born” & is therefore ineligible to be president. NULLIFY the Usurper!


AristotleTheHun
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:18 am

Personal History of a Birther

How about a little personal history for what is behind me being a “birther”

I read the “Warren Report” and I believe that Lee Harvey Oswald was a lone gunman.

I have never seen a flying saucer, even though I am a pilot and an air traffic control man.

I don’t believe that “Big Foot” exists.

I think Islamic terrorists took down the World Trade Center.

I don’t believe FEMA is planning to round up citizens and put them in concentration camps, and I don’t think swine flu is an international conspiracy.

The Lock Ness Monster is a fantasy.

I am certain that the Apollo mission actually went to the moon.

There are no more missing aircraft and ships in the so called “Bermuda Triangle” than in any other part of the earth with equivalent traffic.

After having reviewed the REAL science, I am convinced that Global Warming is a huge scam.

I have a PhD, and am in private practice as a psychotherapist, so more than likely I am not crazy.

Psychology today verification here: http://www.therapists.psychologytoday.com/rms/v…

I am a life time member of Mensa, so I am not stupid. Membership # 1061487

The guiding principles for my professional research for articles and books I write are the usual protocols of epistemology, scientific methodology, and rules of logic and the rules of evidence.

However, I am firmly convinced that AKA Obama is not eligible to be POTUS, and here is why:

If you read the articles at the link, and review the citations at the embedded links, you will be “literate” about the facts of the “eligibility” story and will be able to inform the public objectively.

AKA Obama Fans: All together now – say OMG!!
http://www.thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2009/04/a…


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:26 am

I was right. You're completely impervious to logic and reason. Nothing will dissuade you from your nutty delusions. But you birfers sure are entertaining.

Again, I must add:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 3:35 am

Aw, really bugs you, doesn't it? I keep throwing down “logic and reason” and you Obamaphiles keep going “Nurmee!-Nurmee!-Nurmee!-I'm-not-LISTENING!”

Look, geek-boy, when you come up with “logic and reason,” I'll give you a hearing, okay?

Well, make that “if you EVER” come up with logic and reason….


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:14 am

You know, you're really just describing yourself. You birfers wouldn't know logic and reason if it tap danced across the white sheets and hoods you all wear. Face it, you'll never be taken seriously by anyone. And if by some miracle a judge does grant the Queen Bee of Birferstan a trial, he or she will immediately dismiss it upon viewing Obama's COLB because it is proof in the eyes of the law that Obama was born in Hawaii.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:32 am

Aw, you CARE, don'tcha, geek?

Ain't that nice?

Let's say that some judge does demand – and gets – to see the print-on-paper, signed and sealed, honest-to-Kamehameha COLB from which that June 2008 computer graphic image had been allegedly scanned.

Wouldn't you like that, hm?

Wouldn't you just quiver and kvell and spasm down in your little Obamaphile jockey shorts to learn that your Messiah has had that document (not his real birth certificate, but an attestation that such a birth certificate really does exist in a vault somewhere in Honolulu) vetted by a competent authority?

So why does the thought of such a revelation seem to distress you so?

Premature ejaculation on your part? Ew.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:39 am

To quote conservative blogger Michelle Malkin:

“I believe Trig was born to Sarah Palin. I believe Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. I believe fire can melt steel and that bin Laden’s jihadi crew — not Bush and Cheney — perpetrated mass murder on 9/11. What kind of kooky conspiracist does that make me?”

Oh, but Malkin is really a secret Obamaphile, huh?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:53 am

Aw, and now somebody's gotta quote another TownHall.com diva.

Jeez, you couldn't just go over to LewRockwell.com or the Mises Institute or the Foundation for Economic Education and look for an anti-authoritarian writer to pull from?

Tsk.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 6:06 am

I'll leave that for you. But do go on with your frothing about Obama's birth certificate. It's most entertaining.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 6:12 am

Oh, you like that line of inquirty?

Funny, you give the impression that the notion of Barry's birth (and other) records coming out into the daylight causes your eyebrows to twitch, your nostrils to flare, and your cremasteric fascia to go into spasm.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 6:37 am

If I say that's true, will you post more birfer hilarity?


marianas
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 12:44 pm

How did Barrack Hussein travel to Pakistan in 1981 when Pakistan was on the State Department's “No Travel” list for US Passport holders?

He didn't have a US Passport. Must have been from another country or he would never have gotten into Pakistan in 1981.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Yeah, tell me again how you think the family can put birth notices in those two newspapers, rather than the Department of Health. That was really funny.

“Advertiser columnist and former Star-Bulletin managing editor Dave Shapiro was not at either paper in 1961, but he remembers how the birth notices process worked years later when both papers were jointly operated by the Hawaii Newspaper Agency — which no longer exists.

'Those were listings that came over from the state Department of Health,' he said. 'They would send the same thing to both papers.'”

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081…


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Quite easily, as a matter of fact. There was no travel restriction from the U.S. to Pakistan in 1981. I dare you to find me a reliable source that says otherwise. But it is rather funny to see you birfers repeat long discredited arguments.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

So how tough would it be to get into the microfiche records of both the *Honolulu Advertiser* and the *Star-Bulletin*, extirpate the record of Mrs. Nordyke's twin delivery on that same date, and insert the news of Ms. Dunham's blessed event?

The source of that “information” didn't have to be the state Department of Health back in 1961, but rather some fiddlin' attention to a couple of microfiche files in, say, 2008.

Now, d'you think that there are primary records in the Hawaii state Department of Health – dated 1961 – which will back up receipt of a report from one or another hospital in Honolulu to the effect that Ms. Dunham had been delivered of a healthy baby boy on whichever date Mr. Soetoro claims as his birthday?

Gee, we've got another place to look, don't we? Thanks!


euphgeek
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 12:06 am

You admitted yourself through your logic it was lost. Don’t blame me just because I pointed it out.

But really, do keep this up. If Republicans use this for their platform in 2012, Obama is sure to get another term (not that he won’t anyway). Then another Democrat will be elected in 2016 and by that time we’ll be living in the United Socialist States of America! Yippee!


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

I knew you wouldn't disappoint in entertaining me. Although I thought you might take the “liberal media” angle on it. You sure do go to great lengths to protect your birfer faith.

OK, here's something that should elicit another humorous response from you:
You're never going to be satisfied with any evidence, no matter how credible it is. If the conspiracy goes as deep as you say it does, what chance do you have of proving your case and imprisoning Obama even if you are right? At least 99% of the U.S. population doesn't believe the conspiracy so no hope for a revolution there. And all you have on your side are liars, shysters and traitors so that's a double whammy for you!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

I'm never going to cease opposing Mr. Soetoro in his quest to drive the national economy of these United States over the proverbial cliff, if that's what you mean. I consider his policies and purposes malignant in the extreme. Don't you?

If so, why?

If the discovery of his records – the proverbial EVERYTHING he's striven so sweatingly to “seal” and otherwise disguise – is one way in which to extirpate Mr. Soetoro (with the added bonus that it lands him in a federal penitentiary for the rest of his natural life), I'm absolutely delighted to pursue that avenue of attack.

I really don't care about what “99% of the U.S. population” might or might not think, geek. In the words of Heinlein, “Does history record any case in which the majority was right?”

The fact that Crash Test Johnnie (“The Enemy Ace”) was on the same order of unsuitability to function as a constitutional chief magistrate of our federal government notwithstanding….

(( if he'd been elected, I'd be attacking HIM just as vehemently ))

…Barry Soetoro is a cancer upon the American body politic. Anything that can be done to debulk the tumor mass is warranted.

The “birth certificate” issue offers a relatively bloodless method to do so, and with gusto I embrace it.

Beats having some moody loner with a middle name and sniper training setting up a ridiculously cheap mail-order rifle with a scope mounted on the wrong side of the weapon in a window overlooking a tree-lined street somewhere.

Yes, I *do* believe in the Warren Report, I do, I do, I do….


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

You didn't answer my question, although you did entertain me. If the conspiracy runs so deep and all the judges and politicians are in on it, what makes you think you have a chance of actually prevailing?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Oh, that “question” of yours wasn't rhetorical? Sorry. I've been asking you Obamaphiles valid questions from which you've been weaseling so long that the thought of one among you asking a REAL question just didn't cross my mind.

And that wasn't a valid question at all, was it? When I get involved in a medical case where it's certain that I have little or no appreciable “chance of actually prevailing,” I don't have the liberty of just throwing up my hands and telling the patient:

“Sorry, you're screwed. See ya later.”

Hey, why don't YOU answer one of MY questions, geek?

What are you so pucking afraid of coming out into the sunlight when we get Barry Soetoro to unseal EVERYTHING about his sordid, smelly past?

*Crickets Chirping!*


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

If you want to go the medical analogy route, this would be like you administering CPR to someone who had fallen to their death from the top of the Sears tower five years ago.

And to answer your question, I'm not afraid of anything coming out in the sunlight because I've seen the scan of Obama's COLB which says he was born in Honolulu and I have no reason to doubt it. Now if you can present some proof that Obama was born anywhere other than where his COLB says he was, then I'll do something other than continue to laugh at you.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

Nah. The “patient” is these United States of America.

The cancer is Barry Soetoro.

The treatment is excise the tumor.

And if you're “not afraid of coming out in the sunlight,” then why are you insisting that a doctored computer graphic image – a JPG – with marks of alteration all to hellangone over it – should be taken as definitive proof that an originating Certification of Live Birth on Mr. Soetoro exists at all?

You just keep on laughing, geek.

I've dealt with plenty of hysterics in the Emergency Department. A little haloperidol, some restraints, a quiet room…. You'll be just fine.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

And by your own admission you've already lost. Everyone, including politicians, judges and at least 99% of the U.S. population is “in” on the “conspiracy” and you have no hope of ever prevailing whether you're right or not. So just keep tilting at the windmills and I will continue to laugh at you like the idiot you are.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 19, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

Aw, c'mon, geek.

You ought to know enough about the sciences to realize that a valid line of inquiry is never “lost.”

Much as you want to believe – to really BELIEVE – in your Messiah, you're sweating like a stoat with a spike up his ass, ain'tcha?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 12:16 am

Down below and squeezing off the screen, euphgeek wrote:

“You admitted yourself through your logic it was lost. Don't blame me just because I pointed it out.

“But really, do keep this up. If Republicans use this for their platform in 2012, Obama is sure to get another term (not that he won't anyway). Then another Democrat will be elected in 2016 and by that time we'll be living in the United Socialist States of America! Yippee!”

Logic? You've got “logic,” geek? Jeez, that's news. And what's all this fixation on “it was lost,” anyway? The purpose of the exercise is to boot Barry Soetoro out of the White House, and to do it well before the 2012 elections. What gives you to think that I rely upon the Republicans (Hoo-hah!) to do the job?

The Republicans had your Irrumator-in-Chief, Bubba the schwanz-boy, on the ropes in '96, and they nominated a perambulating cadaver, Bob Dole (R – Archer Daniels Midland) to run against him. I'm gonna count on Socialist Party “B” to get rid of the leader of Socialist Party “A”?

What have you been smoking, geek? Or popping, or mainlining, or stuffing up your tochus?

You keep pointing, geek. And while you're pointing, point out just precisely what it is that your Messiah will suffer when he can no longer keep the records of his past “sealed” and hidden from exposure.

Wanna answer that question, geek? No? Well, I didn't think so….


euphgeek
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:04 am

Yeah, exactly like that. Just keep that up and Democrats will stay in power for 40 years at least, modeling themselves after The One himself. Thank you!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:21 am

Nah. When the economy goes crash-boom-AYEEE!, the guys holding the sack are going to have “D” written all over 'em. Why the hell d'you think that the RNC did everything in its power to throw the 2008 nomination to Crash Test Johnnie, a guaranteed tank job?

They were terrified that if they hadn't been able to derail Mitt Romney (the only front-runner candidate with anything resembling more charisma than a badly-embalmed corpse [see "John McCain"]), they might've won, and then they'd be sitting there with the muzzle of this shotgun in their collective mouth.

But what do you care if the Republicans never get on top in that great group-grope we use in lieu of a constitutional federal government? I don't. Democrat or Republican, salt water or fresh, feces float.

And I'd be delighted if more politicians were to take up “modeling themselves after” your Messiah.

But we're gonna need a helluva lot more federal prison beds to accommodate 'em….


euphgeek
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:29 am

Oh, but you see that's where you're wrong. These people who installed Obama, or President Soetoro to you, will make sure that the economy doesn't crash while he's in office. I look forward to seven and a half more years of the “Kenyan usurper” in power! And it's all thanks to people like you. In fact, I'm going to start calling him “President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper” from now on just to remind myself that with enemies like you, why would he need a good campaign manager? Thanks again for supporting our president!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:47 am

So economics is another subject in which “you are so mercifully free of the ravages of intelligence,” eh, geek?

Looked at the rate of growth of the M3 over the past couple of years? Watched the tax base dumping? Know anything about economic “bubble” phenomena?

Of course not! You're an Obamaphile. You don't go anywhere near Web sites like LewRockwell.com or Mises.org or FEE.org or Cato.org, do you? You have absolutely no idea what it is that the Federal Reserve System does, or of the inescapable effects of fiat currency creation, or of how the “boom-and-bust” cycle works, or how that cycle is fatally accelerated by spendiferous government squandering, or anything like that, right?

Gawd, ya gotta love the innocent and the unspoiled. How cute. You believe in the Easter Bunny, too, don'tcha? C'mon, fess up, geek.

Meanwhile, answer me this riddle: What is it that your Messiah fears so fervently that he's sealed all his personal records and is spending something approaching a solid million bucks on legal chicanery in courts all over the country to quash efforts to drag out into the daylight?

Got any ideas on that, geek, or are you even more clueless about that than you are about the economic discombobulation we'll be seeing in this country 'round about November or so?

Hey, keep tracking those unemployment numbers, too, geek. Even though los federales do everything they can to underplay them, that's where you're going to be seeing the mudslide begin. Your Messiah gets his “health care” bill passed (why he is in such a sweating hurry, I wonder?) and small business employers who can't afford to pay the employee-related penalties start the layoffs.

After that…


euphgeek
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 5:57 am

Thanks again for your support of President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:00 am

No prob. He's gonna need support.

I've had patients brought to the Emergency Department in handcuffs, ankle fetters, and belly chains, and it's pretty difficult for them to walk without somebody hanging onto an elbow on each side.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:04 am

Thanks again for your support of President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper! Thanks to you, in 2012 he might just get all 50 states! Then say hello to the United Socialist States of America!


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:11 am

Oh, you've been reading at AlongsideNight.com, haven't you? Are you a “dark fantasy” fan, too?

Meanwhile, let's get back to that question you keep ducking, okay, geek?

“What is it that your Messiah fears so fervently that he's sealed all his personal records and is spending something approaching a solid million bucks on legal chicanery in courts all over the country to quash efforts to drag out into the daylight?”

Jeez, I'd think you'd get tired of waffling and shuffling and shucking so goddam much.

But, hey, you're an Obamaphile. Gotta treat the mentally handicapped with a little leeway.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 6:21 am

Thanks again for your support of President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

Fantasy fixated describes you perfectly.. Saying you have been to Star Trek conventions says alot – Im sure you fit in very well in your Spock outfit.. However, you BELONG in the loony bin… Your the one who actually puts faith in some anonymous “Dr” who is too afraid to come out in the open for fear of the black helicopters landing on his lawn. As someone said early, there is no amount of convincing that will make you change your mind… SO, this argument is moot. Its a vast conspiracy by both the democrats, republicans, ACORN, Factcheck, Comedy Central, and all of the mainstream media to get Obama elected president, so he can turn us all into commies!!

No matter how intellectual you try to make your arguments sound, they come off as very very ridiculous.

These two statements alone display your complete and absolute delusion:

“2) Are you mistaking me for a Republican? Or someone who trusts Republicans either to obey the law or look out for my interests? Jeez, wotta tool you are…

3) Similarly, you’re expecting me to put my faith in The Woman With One Eyebrow, a Democrat? Oh, that’s just TOO rich….

As I said before, we get it.. the government is evil, and is conspiring to eat your babies.

Enjoy getting your last word – Its certainly to be long-winded and insulting.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

I really shouldn't do this, but here's the real reason he's spending so much money: See, Bush told him that if he could distract people with something silly, he could get away with pretty much anything. The 9/11 truthers were enough of a distraction for him to be able to go to war in Iraq. About 25% of the country believed the conspiracy at the time. But since only about 1% believes the birth certificate controversy, he knew he'd have to spend some more money to keep it going. So he asked one of the lawyers he hired, Orly Taitz, to bring more attention to it and he told a complicit Fox News they could break their silence on it (WND had been helping him all along, but he needed more). Once this starts gaining traction and about 25% of the population believes it, then he'll have enough of a distraction that he can really start to enact his socialist policies. If it gets out of hand, though, he knows he can just show his birth certificate and end it all, but then he'll have to come up with another controversy. A million dollars is really a drop in the bucket to keep this going, don't you think?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

Again with the argumentum ad hominem. How predictable, nu? I’m an old SF fan. Back in the ’70s some fellow fen organized a couple of STrek conventions and I attended to help out and enjoy the company of friends. I currently observe the behavioral parallels between Trekkies and Obamaphiles, and a dead-from-the-neck-up Obamaphile struggles and strains and squirts out a remark to the effect that my arguments anent Barry Soetoro’s ineligibility to hold the office he presently usurps are invalid not on the matter of their substance but because I’d in passing informed that I’d been to Star Trek conventions.

Brilliant, putzie. Why couldn’t I have had you as an opponent back when I was on the debate team in high school? Talk about shooting fish in a barrel….

Again and again and again, I’ve put no “faith” whatsoever in the credentials (spurious or otherwise) of Polarik. As in debate, I regard nothing more than the content of his reports and the quality of the work therein, and all of this looks to be quite robust. Nothing I have found online promulgated in “rebuttal” (to much of which I have been directed by hopeful Obamaphiles) had effectively addressed the substance of Polarik’s observations. Indeed, most of it has not been directed at Polarik’s easily confirmed evidentiary findings but instead has consisted of the piling-up of “counter-evidence” that does nothing to devalue the validity of his observations or the conclusions he draws therefrom.

And i2ambler – pitiful, poor, brain-damaged Obamaphile – cannot conceive of anyone not being either a Republican or a Democrat. Sometimes called “the fallacy of the false dilemma” or “the fallacy of the suppressed alternative,” this is a common failing of logical reasoning, and there’s no surprise in finding an Obamaphile (a condition, by its nature, implicitly indicative of impaired mental status) succumbing to it.

Well, you might get better, i2ambler. Your prognosis sucks, sure, but as long as you’re still breathing, you might learn better. If you’ve got a job (for however long you have a job), you’ll start seeing your Messiah doing things to your paycheck that will drag you up sharply by the short hairs.

Come looking for me then, and I’ll explain things to you in terms simple enough for even you to understand.

In the meanwhile, it’s not government per se that’s “evil.”

But the officers of civil government? Yeah, “evil” is about the only word you can use.

Consider your feelings about those officers of government the next time a traffic cop pulls you over. If you’re not thinking “evil” at that moment, you’re not thinking at all.

Oh, damn. You’re an Obamaphile, aren’t you? Sorry. You don’t “do” thinking at all, do you?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 20, 2009 @ 10:13 pm

Whistling in the dark again, geek?

What is it in the past personal history of your Messiah that you're so terrified of having dragged out into the daylight, eh?

You keep on rubbing your thighs together like that, and you're gonna chafe, kiddo.


Ohya n
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 1:25 pm

According to American jurisprudence Ollie is NOT a convicted felon! Though I wouldn't expect a B.O.ron like yourself to understand something as complex as a sentence written in the English language, say like this one “shall be a natural born citizen”. That's just a bit much for those who worship at the feet of B.O.


euphgeek
Comment posted July 21, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

Good, I was hoping you wouldn't believe it. But thanks again for supporting President Soetoro, the Kenyan usurper!


Chaz
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:16 am

Obama traveled to Pakistan on a U.S. Passport.

Pakistan was not on the State Department's “No Travel” list for U.S. passport holders in 1981. There was a travel advisory in effect, advising visa requirements and that Americans use caution.

To repeat and clarify: There was no ban. Pakistan was NOT on the State Department's “No Travel” list for U.S. passport holders. No marshall law, as has also been previously claimed with no evidence to back up the claim.

Simply put, Americans were not prohibited from travelling in the country. The claim that he didn't have a U.S. Passport and “must have been from another country….etc.” is without basis. In other words, patently false. For confirmation, see Advisory #81-33A

Source: U.S. State Department Travel Advisory Site (pdf file. Actual advisory.)

http://tinyurl.com/l4frq4

Easy-to-read content of the above-mentioned U.S. State Department Travel Advisory

http://tinyurl.com/azy9oq

Next?


Chaz
Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 7:17 am

Sorry for the duplicated refutation.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 23, 2009 @ 11:08 am

Birthers are racist.

For those who say birthers aren't racist, I present here a few quotes from Randwulf. They all appeared on one 109 post thread. I haven't bothered to look at any of his racist comments made in other threads, like the one with 2,869 comments. If you fuss about it someone will compile a master list including comments from others as well, and prove you that much MORE wrong.

Oh, and he also gives away birther philosophy. So this is a Birther Rosetta Stone. Every other word after this sentence is a direct quote of Randwulf, and the last quote is a nod to Florida Christian, so enjoy!

“I think he is an Indonesian wetback, an illegal alien in every sense of the word.” [posted twice on same thread, days apart]

“Monkeys are experts on where to find nuts. Aren't they ALFTURD?”

“Monkeyf@cker.”

“Yes like when you call me a “racist”. Turnabout is fair play MONKEYF@CK!”

“But, its all good. Laugh away. Eat bananas and fling pooh! The monkeys can never run the zoo for very long before more advanced primates must move back in, hose down all the $hit and restore order. Looking forward to that!!”

“Wack-a-doodle? Hmm is that some new kind of mongrel breed or something? Why don't you guys run one of them for office! Oh and this time, make sure he has all his records, so we don't have to go through all this again.”

“I don't remember mentioning race at all, so it is you “making it clear” that I must harbor “racist” sentiments.”

“Man have I got a list of who's been naughty and who's been nice. Got ammo?”

[Birther Philosophy revealed below!]

“Whatever they have, we want to see it. We won't stop until we have it. Argument over it is pointless. The original documents will tell all. And then we will go for all the rest of the documents that he refuses to release.”

[Florida Christian Alert!]

“This whole sick episode would have been laid to rest long ago if…”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:07 am

If you would read my posts more carefully, you would see I have not committed myself to the negative proposition. Nor to the positive proposition. You are assuming that I am assuming. I am not. I am stating that the record is ambiguous at best because of a lack of data that might be supplied by the long form, and that O is directly fueling the controversy by willfully suppressing the public exposure of that document. I find it a curious and inexplicable behavior. Motive is the key. Therefore, I suspect, but I do not assume. Rather, the anti-proof crowd is doing the bulk of the assuming, and on strictly emotive grounds, riddled with unsustainable appeals to authority, an inherently untrustworthy analytical approach.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:25 am

Well, I am not a liar, though I can be mistaken from time to time. So yes, I am a lawyer. The extreme prejudice of thought you exhibit would of course make it difficult for me to prove my authenticity to you no matter what documentation I produced. However, someone more objective might look at my original ABA-approved law degree and my original active state law license and be convinced, however begrudgingly, that I really am a lawyer. And I, unlike our esteemed President, would be willing and happy to show those proofs to anyone who legitimately required such evidence. Furthermore, my LSAT, 161, which is not quite good enough for Harvard and the other top eastern schools, did get me into an excellent program with full scholarship. My class, 2007, had a bar pass rate of just over 89% nationally. I made Law Review. I got published. Not bad for a crackerjack box, eh?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 5:47 am

Thanks for the advice. I’ve already taken it. I am not Republican. They’re too liberal for me.

As for the certificate, I am looking at this as a problem in evidence. The certificate is just a way to prove facts that belong to a larger pattern, the core of which is defining “natural born citizen” for purposes of constitutional qualification. When I started learning about the issue, I was too focused on the certificate itself because I lacked a fuller view of the constitutional issues. However, the more I learn, the more convoluted and challenging the analysis has become, such that I think it warrants SCOTUS review and resolution.

If the fact that people are actually learning as they study the problem disturbs you, I suggest you do a gut check as to what you really want to happen from all this. Do you want people to remain uninformed so you can continue to mock them, or do you think this could be a friendlier, more cooperative process where we give each other the benefit of the doubt as decent people trying to understand why O won’t let us see key documents concerning his life?

Understand, I oppose O first on policy grounds. I think he is doing unspeakable damage to the Republic, and I would welcome any legal means of diminishing the influence of his ideology on policy. The birth certificate issue is only one of several threads in this defensive action, but I think legitimate constitutional issues do exist and O should be forthright in resolving them by putting the long form in the public domain, where it rightfully belongs. The Presidency is not a private office, but it belongs to the People.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 6:34 am

I appreciate the information. It is actually helpful. The Arthur situation is fairly complex. Arthur was vice president when Garfield was shot, and so was not elected president per se. But even if he had been, he was already under attack over the timing of his father’s emigration to the US. This helps the birthers because it shows historical concern over the citizenship of parents as a prerequisite to holding or being in line to hold the presidential office. Arthur solved this problem by asserting his father emigrated before his marriage and two children, thus claiming naturalized citizenship for his father before his own birth. However, naturalization records, apparently available from the Library of Congress, show the elder Arthur naturalizing AFTER Arthur Junior’s birth. Was it error, or was it fraud? In any event, it was not a legitimate ascendancy of a man with foreign parentage to the presidency, has no legal precedential value, and thus serves our cause better than yours. Thanks for the tip.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:29 am

Mr. Blissett. I appreciate your kind and thoughtful comments. The problem of dual citizenship in the parents is real. If you can cite SCOTUS precedent that clearly excludes parental jurisdictional issues, I would be happy to hear it. Really. However, what I have found in my research so far is that important legal and historical sources defining “natural born citizenship,” such the Law of Nations (see section 212), Vattel, Senator Bingham of 14th Amendment fame, and a handful of SCOTUS cases (Minor, Ark, Elg), all appear to consider parentage a significant consideration in defining natural born citizenship, and some treat the citizenship of the father as especially significant. This is sufficiently complex that trite debates such as ours would benefit greatly from SCOTUS review and resolution. However, that cannot happen when 1) O continues to hide critical repositories of fact from public view, and 2) discussions such as our degenerate to an exchange of vulgarities without a beneficial exchange of knowledge. I am sorry for you.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:41 am

Google “long form is required” and “birth certificate” and read a few of the links. Or doesn’t immigration law rate with you?

BZZZZT right back at ya.

BTW, my LSAT was 161. What was yours?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 7:47 am

BTW, you are aware of the problems with the Sunday Advertiser birth announcement, aren’t you? Notably, one Orland Lefforge was moving into the address listed in the same month as O’s birth, and no evidence exists that any neighbors knew of any biracial families living at that address. Ever. Sooo, maybe you need to punch up that evidence a bit with, say, a long form birth certificate, or something in vital records, or something with some actual legal evidentiary value. Anything?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:19 am

I suppose I’m not normal. I actually think independently occasionally. Sorry. I forgot my blue pill today.

As for long versus short, I had no idea there even was a short form for the longest time. I will repeat this for you s l o w l y: I.. have.. photocopies.. of.. my.. own.. original.. long.. form.., and.. I.. have.. photocopies.. of.. my.. children’s.. long.. forms…. and.. my.. wife’s.. long.. form. I am over fifty years old, and that’s just how things were for me, back before computers and databases ruled form generation. We used a thing called handwriting. Sorry if that confuses you. I have only had to use my birth certificate, and my kid’s, and my wife’s, a few times, so you’re right, I don’t know every possible use of a birth certificate, or every circumstance where a long form and a short form would function differently. But I did need a passport once, to go to Europe and Israel, and I have crossed our own borders a few times. My long form always seemed adequate. Could I have used a short form, had I known such a thing existed? Well, I think not. Google “long form is required,” study the immigration data that turns up, and see if it doesn’t open your mind a bit.

Now where is that blue pill ….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Um, you didn’t follow the logic, but I’m glad you think it’s nice. Just a hint. Evidence of status and status itself are not the same thing. O could really be a natural born citizen and it wouldn’t freak me out. What I lack is the kind of convincing evidence of legally relevant facts, the kind of facts typically associated with, say, the more detailed and historically locked-in physical image of the long form certificate. I work with databases and forms all the time. Way too easy, too flexible, to provide anything close to the circumstantial certainty that accompanies data-rich, hand-populated originals. I believe that is why the passport people are so fond of them.


AcaciaJules
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:00 am

Sedition……


AcaciaJules
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:14 am

OMG, are you related to Dustin Diamond? Because he’s the only one I’ve ever heard repeat that phrase as many times as you have….And despite all his ‘smarts’ he’s dense as a post.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:35 am

Um, no, I looked at the factcheck images, on factcheck itself, and that is definitely not a long form. I have one of my own, and my childrens’, and my wife’s (photocopy images of the absolute original), and I have seen a redacted long form from Hawaii circa 1963. Completely different documents, where the short form is an abstract, i.e., substantially compressed version, of the original. You are misinformed. It has only one signature, and even that is just a signature stamp, not pen pressed into paper with the original hand of the signer. The signature is no more than that of the records custodian, and has no evidentiary value as compared with the other signatures normally found on the long form, such as the doctor who did the delivery, the parents, etc. Worthless.

As for the Sunday Advertiser, I would be careful about touting that as proof of anything. First, a birth announcement has no evidentiary value in a legal proceeding. Second, this particular announcement is problematic, in that the address it refers to was a house O never lived in. In August of 1961, a man named Orland Lefforge moved into that house, and the neighbor who lived next door in 1961 has no memory of a biracial family ever living there. As evidence goes, pathetic. But if it makes you feel better ….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:55 am

That is correct. I cannot slander. However, legally (and morally), truth is a defense to the charge of slander. It is not slander if it is true. And what is the statement I offer as true that you call slander? That we as a nation do not know whether this man is qualified under the constitution to serve as our president, because insufficient evidence has been presented to eliminate some scenarios that would disqualify him, and because contradictory evidence has been presented to suggest disqualifying scenarios, such as a possible Kenyan birth. And the truth is, I really do not know the answer. If you consider that slander, then anyone in whose mind a legitimate question rises is a slanderer. That can’t be right. I do not think God wants us to shut down sincere and legitimate inquiry just because some people don’t like it. In fact, the central idea of not bearing false witness is that God wants us to be honest in our relationships with others. But you are asking me to pretend I believe something when I don’t. Wouldn’t that be dishonest? Wouldn’t it be hypocrisy? So should I choose to follow your faulty definition of slander, or should I keep the clear conscience of an honest mind before my Creator? Hmmm…. tough choice. Not.


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Hm. Lucid, rational, and intelligent. Son, d’you really think you’re going to make a dent on these cement-heads posting like this?


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

Dustin Diamond? Not that I know. I first read the “Nurmee!-Nurmee!” expression in an article written by H. Allen Smith about Gene Fowler.

Neither of whom, I realize, you know doo-dah about, so….


Tuci78
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

Jeez, I hope so.

Treason doth never prosper: what’s the reason? Why if it prosper, none dare call it treason.


Vigrx plus
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 6:25 am

nice post…..interesting


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