Obama Birthers Claim Court Victory, Sort Of

[...] Obama Birthers Claim Court Victory, Sort Of – The Washington Independent.comLast night, omnipresent Obama conspiracy theorist Orly Taitz gave WorldNetDaily a scoop . Taitz, a dentist with a degree from an online law school, had finally found a judge — David O. Carter of the Central District of California — who would hear [...]

What. a. Douchebag!!

So if the judge were to find that the case has merit and that discovery should go forward, and orders the State of Hawaii to show photocopies of whatever is in their “birth” records for AKA Obama……. What then, smartass? What will you and Alferd do then? Because, to date, there has been no record produced of Obama actually having been physically delivered in Hawaii.

I have absolutely no doubt at this point that Obama was born in Kenya. This whole sick episode would have been laid to rest long ago if the long form of his birth certificate from Hawaii could have been produced. He can't even decide which hospital he was born in for GOD'S SAKE! It has Wikipedia in an uproar, what with the whole story changing every so many minutes! It's laughable! Anyone charged with theft, will quickly produce a receipt for the item if they have actually paid for it. What better way to prove they are innocent. Where is Obama's “receipt” proving he hasn't stolen the office of POTUS? And why hasn't the MSM (NEW PRAVDA) picked up any of this and reported on it? Really odd.

Obama has told so many lies, he can't even keep them all straight any more. And that will be his undoing as is usually the case with habitual liars. And the “Birthers”? They have nothing to lose and everything to look forward to! So fling pooh all you want! It is what we have come to expect from the monkeys on the lib left.

I suppose you mean that Weigel is a douchebag. RIght? Because, if so, I agree with your assessment.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in…

Nothing more needs to be said. The State of Hawaii confirms that he was born there. He's a natural born citizen. Moving on.

Why should Obama produce any documents? It keeps you people busy with this irrelevant issue, and helps to discredit the right-wing in general by being associated with it, which makes it easier for him to get on with the important business of the American people.

You are funnier than a clown on fire.
“Where is Obama's “receipt” proving he hasn't stolen the office of POTUS?”
Indeed…

I'll glad you find it so amusing. Now what do you have to offer? Do you think it is too much to ask for the “Chief Executive” to show one simple document that half a million of his citizens have signed a petition to request?

That's a forgery. And it is not the complete form. That is not a birth certificate even if the document were one actually created by the State of Hawaii. If there is a real birth certificate in their vaults, it needs to be reproduced and posted for inspection. Have you ever seen a copy of the long form birth certificate? Well, your so-called “factcheck” site has never seen fit to post one of those for Obama!! My guess is that they never will. And further, I don't even think Obama is a citizen of the US at all! Let alone a natural born citizen. I think he is an Indonesian wetback, an illegal alien in every sense of the word. And now, he is knowingly holding a government office fraudulently. Every time he signs an official document, he commits another act of treason. Talk about moving on!! When this $hit hits the proverbial fan, we'll be moving on alright……Cogitate on that for a while Chaddie.

Yeah Stevie,

He needs to do this wing-drag distraction while he puts forth a whole lot of other crap for the people who work to pay for and the people who don't work to benefit from. Otherwise, who would go for any of it. When the whole US population is just like California's demographic, we can follow that model and issue IOUs for our national debt. Right? Great f@cking idea! What a genius! Interesting that you find it irrelevant that the POTUS may be a foreigner. That is a very good indication and example of how the minds of liberals work. Woops, there's that dirty word again (work)!

If he's not a citizen, how can he be committing treason? You mean against Indonesia? Why would you care about that?

I offer laughter. Lots of it, all directed at you. You, your request, your Birther movement (BM?) are nonsensical. But very amusing.
Cheers

Did you know that if an American citizen gives birth, their baby is also an American citizen?

It's irrelevant because he is obviously an American, and he was elected overwhelmingly. You've made it clear that your real disagreement is over policy, and that you harbor racist sentiments, and since your side lost the policy debate in part by failing for the last 8 years, and since racism has become unacceptable in the social mainstream, you''ve latched on to this excuse for opposing him. And, conveniently, you can hope, maybe his policy goals will be obstructed in the process.

It's a free country, and you can say whatever you want, but your motives are quite transparent.

“Obviously” an American. Hardly. I believe that is the crux of the problem at hand. It is definitely not obvious to many people and Obama and his minions have steadfastly refused, at great expense to provide the documentation to make anything obvious to anyone. And he was not elected overwhelmingly. He won roughly 52% to McCain's 48%. I don't remember mentioning race at all, so it is you “making it clear” that I must harbor “racist” sentiments. But that is the way the left likes to attack opponents. You assume I am a Republican. You are wrong. I've latched onto nothing except a desire to know the truth about this issue. He will not achieve any of his major goals and any that he does achieve will fall apart in short order as illogical and unworkable ideas always do. It IS STILL a free country thank you very much! And I will continue to speak out on issues like this. And as far as my motives being transparent, well,….. whatever…. I am not hiding anything. Maybe Obama will follow that example and adopt a policy of transparency himself, and come clean on this. If he can make it “obvious” that he is an American, I invite him to do so.

“Strangely enough” probably doesn't even begin to describe the way you must think. If you can call what left wing monkeys do with their little brains as “thinking”. But, its all good. Laugh away. Eat bananas and fling pooh! The monkeys can never run the zoo for very long before more advanced primates must move back in, hose down all the $hit and restore order. Looking forward to that!!

According to the State of Hawaii, Barak Obama was born there in 1961. Whether or not Obama ever releases it is irrelevant: the state says he was born there. Which is why every judge and court has laughed these paranoid conspiracy theories out of court.

There was only one President candidate who was born outside the United States in 2008, and that was McCain.

You know? You're right! It would have to be a charge of sabotage by a foreign agent that we would be charging him with. Thanks for the clarification. Anyone ever seen Obama's passport records yet? Oh, that's right! Someone hacked into them last year, didn't they? HMMMMM….What ever came of that “investigation”?

Ok, so if he was born there in Hawaii, and it so laughable to question it, what harm could it do to just make it available to the general public and move on? Some judge, somewhere, is going to eventually order the documentation to be produced. Either in a criminal case or a civil case. We will all have a great laugh together then. Won't we? PROVE the “Birthers” are fools! Show the long form!! That'll teach us.

I believe that in order for ObamaMama to have conveyed citizenship to BHO, she would have had to have been 19 years of age instead of only 18 as she was at the time of his birth (whenever and where ever that was). Additionally, his father was a foreign national. Further, he was apparently adopted by his Indonesian step-dad and took Indonesian citizenship. Further, we have never seen any kind of State Department documentation or anything else stating what citizenship (s) he may have later claimed or renounced at age 18. So who the f@ck knows? Who can tell what nationality he is now or ever claimed to be? So much for “total transparency”.

That's a forgery. And it is not the complete form. That is not a birth certificate even if the document were one actually created by the State of Hawaii. If there is a real birth certificate in their vaults, it needs to be reproduced and posted for inspection. Have you ever seen a copy of the long form birth certificate? Well, your so-called “factcheck” site has never seen fit to post one of those for Obama!! My guess is that they never will. And further, I don't even think Obama is a citizen of the US at all! Let alone a natural born citizen. I think he is an Indonesian wetback, an illegal alien in every sense of the word. And now, he is knowingly holding a government office fraudulently. Every time he signs an official document, he commits another act of treason. Talk about moving on!! When this $hit hits the proverbial fan, we'll be moving on alright……Cogitate on that for a while Chaddie.

Having the state of hawaii confirm his birth is moving on(and they have a law saying that the full birth certificate can't be released to the public). The governor, a republican, confirmed it. He's a natural born citizen. He doesn't have to prove to the tin foil hat society what the state confirms.

You're never heard of the 14th amendment to the Constitution apparently.

Yes, another carpetbagger, reconstruction amendment. Whatever. Not applicable to this issue.

Apparently you've never heard of Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution, which contains the clause:

“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States. ”

“Natural born” being born of two citizens and on US soil. Obama loses on both accounts.

You're making stuff up again: anyone born in on US Soil-regardless of their parentage is a natural born citizen. So, even in the original amendments(I must have missed where the Constitution says “amendements passed after a certain date don't apply), you're still wrong.

The COLB Obama posted on fightthesmears had one fold and no seal showing from the front. How did Hawaii send it to him with only one fold? If the thing was requested on June 7, 2007 that was when Obama was in Washington arguing for amnesty. Did Hawaii hold it for him at the office until he could come get it several months later? Why did they fold it once? Every one I've seen is folded twice so it could be sent in a standard envelope.

When Hawaii officials were asked, they said they couldn't say what Obama's posted COLB represented. IOW, they did NOT confirm it was theirs.

If it was theirs, though, I'd like to know how they got their seal on the page to not bend when the page it was on bent. (See http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_ce… ) And I wonder how Factcheck got rid of “Barack Hussein Obama” immediately under the bottom fold when they photographed a side view of the “seal”.

Obama's fightthesmears COLB is not the same thing that was posted on Factcheck. Factcheck's “seal” is an obvious Photoshop. And the side view of their “seal” can't be of the same document they put the Photoshop “seal” on because it doesn't have the same lines of print.

This is a really, really poor job of document fraud, which is a federal felony. Why did Obama commit a federal felony right in front of us all? And Robert Gibbs keeps telling us to go look at it – just sealing Obama's eventual demise! If Obama was going to show us a birth record, why didn't he just show us a real one, that had a real seal that really bends when the paper folds and that has all the lines of print there when a side view is taken of it?

Well, first of all, the founding fathers and later, framers of the 14th amendment commented vigorously that both parents should be citizens for a child to be considered “natural born”. That will be up to a court interpretation. But with a Kenyan father, an under-aged mother and no real proof of a Hawaiian birthplace, it doesn't look good for BHO. Hell, he can't even make up his mind which hospital in Hawaii he claims to have been born in! Kapiolani or Queens? Aren't those the two hospitals he has claimed as his birthplace at different times? So, which is it? And was he delivered by a physician or some witch-doctor who has just vanished into the thin air? COME ON! Get with it! Time to put up or shut up. We aren't looking for Sasquatch here. We just want a copy of a public record. That's why they keep the damned things in the first place you see. To answer questions just like this!! Wow. What a concept.

In order:
1-Anyone can comment on anything. The law is clear. Anyone born on US Soil is a natural born citizen. If you want to sue to change the constitution, thats your right as a citizen; but Obama would still be President.
2-Yes, there is real proof that he was born in Hawaii. The Hawaiian State government says that he was. You need to prove that their declaration is fraudulent to have any case.
3-Since the state government has confirmed that he was born in Hawaii, he's under no obligation to release any documentation.
4-This whole “which hospital” meme is irrelevant. The state says he was born in Hawaii.

The only thing funnier than listening to these birther wack-a-doodles ply their argument is watching reasonable people try to sway one of these lunatics with reason.

Folks, you'd have better luck arguing with a dog. They have more sense and they listen better.

The birthers have made up their minds based on the rock-solid foundation that they want it to be true and nothing else. Please don't confuse them with facts.

In order:
1-We're not talking about “anyone”. We're talking about the people who wrote the constitution. And the law is clear as I posted it in the post above.”no person except a natural born…..”
2-State of Hawaii only claims that they have records but will not say what is in them.
3- Both Obama himself and the Democratic party and finally the US congress had a responsibility and a TOTAL obligation to “vet” or confirm his eligibility beyond a reasonable doubt at some point BEFORE he accepted the nomination and certainly before he was given the electoral college votes. BY LAW on the last part. This was not done.
4- The hospital confusion thing is just significant because it would tend to support the widespread belief that liars often cannot remember all their lies and frequently make such mistakes. That is a pretty big one there. Not knowing which hospital is on your real original birth certificate is kind of a dead give away. Especially in light of the current confrontation.
And again, the state won't confirm or deny anything about the records. They will only say that they have some and the look like all the other ones they have. Pretty ambiguous if you ask me. A lie by omission is still a lie.

If you are going to argue with a dog just be sure you are smart enough to know when he has had enough of your $hit and shut your mouth before he decides to take a nice hunk out of you.

Wack-a-doodle? Hmm is that some new kind of mongrel breed or something? Why don't you guys run one of them for office! Oh and this time, make sure he has all his records, so we don't have to go through all this again.

So, in the meantime, just PROVE we are all “lunatics”! Get you man to order the release of the long form if there is one. He won't be president any more, but let him show it! If were wrong, we will shut up and go away. That is the confusing fact. If he has it, it is strange that he won't produce it. That is a fact and it is confusing. It makes no sense at all. It looks like he is hiding something. If the shoe were on the other foot, the libs would be screaming loud and long!

1-So what? If its not in the Constitution, it doesn't apply(which is why the Federalist papers aren't law).
2-You're making stuff up again. The state of hawaii claims that they have examined his birth certificate and that it is valid/true that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
3-Wrong again. If there's a question of his eligibility, thats why there is a court system. Every court has laughed this out of court because Obama is eligible to be President.
4-Maybe if you had Obama confused on where he was born, you might have a point. But you don't. And I've answered your Hawaii records lie.

Ambiguity is cover for the birthers' lack of any proof. There is no ambiguity. Hawaii confirms that he was born inside their borders in 1961. He's a natural born citizen by the laws of the land. There's no getting around that for you.

Some questions for you, Lee:

1. Why does no seal show up on Obama's fightthesmears COLB even with contrast and edge detection applied, but the seal shows up clearly on the Factcheck one without either?

2. Why does the seal on Factcheck #5 remain round when the paper it's on folds?

3. Why are the words “Barack Hussein Obama” missing right under the bottom fold on Factcheck #1?

I've presented 3 facts. Explain them.

So this is why we keep pushing and starting new lawsuits to force production of any and all records that the State of Hawaii has on Obama's birth. Whatever they have, we want to see it. We won't stop until we have it. Argument over it is pointless. The original documents will tell all. And then we will go for all the rest of the documents that he refuses to release. I don't want to waste any more time with this than it takes to get the papers in hand and see what they prove or disprove. So that's it. If you are right, fine. If I am right,… well…fine. But without the original BC, nobody will know anything for sure. I don't think the Hawaiian officials are telling all they know and they have never said he was “BORN IN HAWAII”. I defy you to find and post any kind of verification of that statement being made by any Hawaiian official. Go find it.

From WND:

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While no attorneys appeared on Obama's behalf, several members of the U.S. Attorney's office in California were in attendance, and sought to intervene on behalf of Obama over his actions before becoming president.
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and

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Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest all of the questions.
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So which is it?

Is he spending thousands of dollars or are his lawyers not even showing up?

LOL

1, do you understand the concept of image resolution? Also you do realize that a scan is illuminated perpendicular to the original while the photos were side lighted.

2. ?? what the heck are you talking about?

3. the image is too over exposed in that section to tell anything other than the fact that you are totally nuts.

But it is fun to frustrate them to the point where the start with the personal insults and invective.

—Yes, another carpetbagger, reconstruction amendment. Whatever. Not applicable to this issue.—

Racist.

You need cause to convince a judge to subpoena it. Declaring that you want confirmation isn't enough. And Hawaii has specific laws about who is allowed to see individual's birth certificates.

As for your “request” in the form of a douchebag style challenge:
http://www.kxma.com/News/Politics/291624.asp

“HONOLULU (AP) State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.”

I found it. The next thing you should be doing is apologizing for wasting everyone's(including your own) time.

The birthers have been hounding the officials at the Hawaii DOH about this issue for months with their accusations that the COLB posted by President Obama is a forgery.

A forgery would be against state law. The Republican run state of Hawaii.

The DOH is sworn to uphold the state law.

All it would take for the state to verify a forgery would be for the DOH Registrar to to compare it to their records.

The Republican run state of Hawaii officials that have been hounded by birthers about this very issue for the past year.

Certainly the very conservative, Republican state Attorney General would be able to instigate an investigation.

I wonder why he isn't a birther also?

How come none of the conservatives republicans in Hawaii's government are birthers either?

Both. This is the only hearing that's been held. Everything else has been done through “none of your business” arguments from lawyers in offices. His campaign lists the lawyer expenses and it's close to a million dollars he's spent on them.

It would also make sense that he didn't send his personal lawyers but had US attorneys there because his argument in this procedure is that we, the taxpayers, should pay for his legal expenses even though the charges were made against him after he resigned from the Senate and before he was inaugurated – when he held no official government position.

1. Edge detection would have picked up a seal from the back if it made that clear an image on the front. Factcheck's photo #1 tries to show that the paper on the front was actually raised because of the seal on the back. Edge detection would absolutely have shown that. Why didn't it show up on fightthesmears?

2. There are two circles on photo #5. Both are right on a fold. Outline the top circle. It looks like a smashed circle. Now outline the “seal” on the bottom fold. It is almost perfectly round, even though the top and bottom folds are very close to the same angle. Why does the top circle distort because of the page fold but the bottom one doesn't? How did Factcheck get the seal to remain round when the paper it was on bent?

3. Why wasn't the image too overexposed to show other, shorter lines in the area immediately surrounding where “Barack Hussein Obama” was supposed to be but wasn't? Why is that the only line that has that problem?

Ask Orly Taitz what it costs to be a “birther”. Ask about the wiring in her car.

Alferd, I reported this forgery to my local FBI office. The man lied to me three times and then reminded me of what he had said three times. FBI people aren't part of the political process, and yet this guy outright lied rather than take my claims seriously.

I have my ideas of why people won't step up to the plate on this, but the fact that people who SHOULD care would lie before they would even pretend to care is already documented by me, first-hand.

If the FBI won't even say to me that they investigate document fraud – when they are the ones who investigate document fraud and I can easily look that up and find out they lied – then why would elected officials stand up against a very popular “president” who was elected because of white guilt?

In any event, what everybody else doesn't change the facts regarding the COLB's that Obama and Factcheck posted. Let's stick with the facts.

LOL. Yeah, like you calling me nuts after one post where I addressed facts and asked for reasons for what is observed. Sorry to frustrate you.

Yes like when you call me a “racist”. Turnabout is fair play MONKEYF@CK!

Monkeyf@cker.

I read that and here is what it said in quotes, “Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.”

So they have a document called a birth certificate but Hawaii at that time allowed issue of certificates of live birth to be issued for up to one year after the birth of a child born out of the state of Hawaii with only an affidavit from at least one of the parents. So, let's see what it says for “place of birth” and “attending physician”. And while you are “wasting” your time, again, I defy you to find a statement by one of these “officials” stating that “OBAMA WAS BORN IN HAWAII.” Not that he has a BC there, but that he WAS BORN THERE! That was your mission and you failed. Hows that for an apology. Oh, Alferd just punched in, so I guess you can punch out now.

Is Alan Keyes a “racist” for wanting to have Obama show his proof of US birth? He is Black. He isn't a Republican. Why do you insist this is a Republican concern? Is the attorney Berg a Republican? No, he's lifelong Democrat. Is he a racist? No, he's Jewish for God's sake! So, he's no Neo-Nazi I guess. This thing is about lying, deception and the attitude that some people think they are above the law and should be allowed to get away with it. (The Audacity of Deceit?) Not gonna happen. There's gonna be some $hit hitting the fan when it all comes out. I can't wait!! Man have I got a list of who's been naughty and who's been nice. Got ammo?

Rand, has anyone ever change their mind due to your “persuasion”?

You said: “If there is a real birth certificate in their vaults, it needs to be reproduced and posted for inspection.”

Uh Rand, wouldn’t they BROKE THE PRIVACY LAWS if they did that?

The law that sealed Obama’s birth records also sealed yours.

You said: “So they have a document called a birth certificate but Hawaii at that time allowed issue of certificates of live birth to be issued for up to one year after the birth of a child born out of the state of Hawaii with only an affidavit from at least one of the parents.”

Uh Rand, that law was passed in 1982 IIRC.

Obama was born in 1961.

Where’s your apology?

What the hell does that have to do with my question?

What haven't the Hawaiian Authorities done anything about the so called “Forgery?”

—Ask Orly Taitz what it costs to be a “birther”. Ask about the wiring in her car.—

What happened to the wiring? Did her aluminum foil headgear short it out?

—-The man lied to me three times and then reminded me of what he had said three times. FBI people aren't part of the political process, and yet this guy outright lied rather than take my claims seriously.—–

Or maybe you are just a nut.

—Both—

Spongebob lives under the sea, yet he drinks water from a glass.

Some times you feel like a nut, some times you don't

Almond Joy's got nuts,

Mounds don't

Ooooooooh, You really got me there, rand.

Because they're cowards. That doesn't change the 3 facts I mentioned which give away that it really is a forgery.

I do hope when all is said and done, America takes a good, hard look at how we got to this point. It's given me a whole new appreciation for what the Germans who WEREN'T Nazis in Hitler's day had to struggle with.

Yeah. Anybody who expects law enforcement to enforce the law must be a nut. This is Obama's America, after all.

You got yourself turd brain.

As I said, I have no idea what the idiots in Hawaiian government are doing or why. It makes no sense at all. I answered these same questions before in your other posts. I don't know why the act the way they do. Ok? How they think is a mystery to me. Only they can give you an answer. I think they are pretty f@cked up though. When it all comes out, they will look very foolish for acting this way. I think none of them have the b@lls to make any kind of statement that means anything so they just give out non-information and say they have made a statement. They say they have a birth record of some kind but they won't say exactly what it says. I think it was one of those after-the-fact, parent affidavit BCs issued to non-Hawaiian-born children that Hawaii issued for years to kids born somewhere else for up to a year after the actual birth. Of course, there would be no Hawaiian hospital or doctor mentioned on them. Now wipe the banana slime off your fingers and type me a response telling me where and when in Hawaii, these “officials” are saying he was actually born. NOT JUST THAT THEY HAVE A RECORD OF HIS BIRTH ON FILE but THAT HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII AND THEY ARE STATING THAT “FACT” FOR THE RECORD! I defy you to show me that statement. Not one of them ever made such a statement. Cowards.

I find it hard to believe that YOU could have a problem with that Alfturd. After all, you obviously have the mind of a retarded child and watch a lot of Spongebob. How else could you continue to offer such idiotic F@CKIN arguments about why your OBAMESIAH can't produce a single F@CKIN document to prove he is a F@CKIN American citizen. I'd love to prove to you that it is possible to drink water from a glass while under the sea. I think it may be a form of “waterboarding”. I'd love to introduce you to the sport. Nellie offers information and you talk about cartoons. Jeeezzzus. How typical of you left-wing baboons.

Monkeys are experts on where to find nuts. Aren't they ALFTURD?

Well here's another clue for you all,
The walrus was Paul.

Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!

“I Am the Walrus” is a 1967 song by The Beatles, written by John Lennon and credited to Lennon/McCartney.[1] Lennon claimed he wrote the first two lines on separate acid trips.[2] The song was in The Beatles' 1967 television film and album Magical Mystery Tour, and was the B-side to the #1 hit “Hello, Goodbye”.

Lennon composed the avant-garde song by combining three songs he had been working on. When he learned that a teacher at his old primary school was having his students analyze Beatles' lyrics, he added a verse of nonsense words.[3]

The walrus is a reference to the walrus in Lewis Carroll's “The Walrus and the Carpenter” (from the book Through the Looking-Glass). Lennon expressed dismay upon learning that the walrus was a villain in the poem.

So WTF? What about Ian Anderson? Eat your nuts and save your raisins for Sunday. Bungle in the Jungle. And just keep bangin them rocks together Alf! That's the secret to evolution.

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death's other Kingdom
Remember us — if at all — not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

Ah, yes. The perfect description of the “white guilt” laden American left wing socialist movement. At war with themselves and their own kind for over a century and a half. Who else but T.S. Eliot could have voiced it so well?

Did Hawaii say he was born there???? I thought they just confirmed that he HAD a birth certificate that they couldn't show us… That's not the same thing.

You said:”If Obama was going to show us a birth record, why didn't he just show us a real one, that had a real seal that really bends when the paper folds and that has all the lines of print there when a side view is taken of it?”

Nellie, no offense but does your birth certificate has all that things you said “a real one' would have?

You said: “If were (Sic) wrong, we will shut up and go away.”

Really?

So Alfred, I run into you again. Ok, I can cut and paste too.

What we know with certainty is that AKA OBAMA is not practicing the virtue of full disclosure. “ The biggest question, and the biggest reason for asking more questions, is the fact Obama has enlisted law firms across the nation to battle every attempt to access, among other documents, his birth, schooling, immigration or passport records.” New Jersey attorney Mario Apuzzo

Please get this straight:

Hawaiian officials have not validated AKA OBAMA’s place of birth. What they have said is that they “have the original document” on file. They haven’t offered a clue as to what information is in that document nor have they said what kind of birth certificate is on file; a conventional birth certificate issued by a hospital with a doctor’s signature or the kind of birth certificate issued by Hawaii on the basis of an affidavit? The Hawaiian officials are not part of a cover-up. They can not legally validate what is on that document without a court order or permission from “our” Chicago con-man.

Laws of the Territory of Hawaii ACT 96 To Provide For The Issuance Of Certificates Of Hawaiian Birth was in effect from 1911 until 1972 and allowed someone who was born outside the Hawaiian Islands to be registered as though he were born in Hawaii. Under that law, someone simply would have presented herself to the Hawaiian authorities and declared that the child was born in Hawaii. The person could have sworn under oath and presented witnesses and other evidence. If the authorities accepted it, that was the end of it. All a person had to do was file a false statement and Hawaii took them at their word.

One could not just say “My kid was born in Des Moines but I want him to have a Hawaiian birth record”. But if you lied no investigation was conducted to validate your claim and the Hawaiian birth record was issued no questions asked.

Knowledge of this practice was wide spread and there are probably thousands of people who obtained Hawaiian birth records between 1911 and 1972 through the process of affidavits and witnesses rather than hospitals and delivery doctors.

One high profile example of the Hawaiian birth certificate policy is the former Emperor of China. Sun Yat-sen was born on 12 November 1866 to a peasant family in the village of Cuiheng, China, but by 1904 he had a Hawaiian birth certificate and was officially a citizen of the United States. The wording on Sun Yat-sen’s Hawaiian birth certificate reveals that at age 18 he “made application for a Certificate of Birth. And that it appears from his affidavit and the evidence submitted by witnesses that he was born in the Hawaiian Islands.” Appears? It also appears that AKA Obama was born in Hawaii. Does the AKA Obama birth certificate on file with the State of Hawaii have language similar to the birth certificate of SunYat-sen?

The only way to know where AKA OBAMA was actually born is to view AKA OBAMA's original birth certificate on file in Hawaii to see what kind of birth certificate it is, and to examine what corroborating evidence supports what it says about AKA OBAMA's alleged place of birth. If the birth was in a hospital, as AKA OBAMA has maintained, such evidence would be the name of the hospital and the name and signature of the doctor who delivered him.

nice catch

Randwolf: —As I said, I have no idea what the idiots in Hawaiian government are doing or why. It makes no sense at all.—

It only fails to make sense if you beleive that the document is a forgery.

If the document is genuine, then the actions by the State of Hawaii makes perfect, and logical sense.

When does the FBI lying to me about something I can easily verify as false make sense?

The proof of the forgery is in the 3 facts I described earlier: fightthesmears' COLB having only one fold and no seal, the seal on Factcheck #5 not folding when the paper folds, and Factcheck #1 missing only the line saying “Barack Hussein Obama”.

This is a forgery. If your argument for its authenticity relies on the infallibility of government personnel, in the face of hard evidence to the contrary, then you are a very sad individual.

My first real interest in this case was when Berg filed the lawsuit and Obama chose to fight it instead of just giving us a peek at his bona fides. Seeing with my own eyes that fightthesmears and Factcheck were 2 different documents and that there was funny business with BOTH the photos of the “seal” sealed it for me. Having the FBI lie to me cemented the reality that law enforcement will blatantly lie rather than investigate.

And now that Obama has taken back the military orders of Major Cook, I know that he will do ANYTHING to keep from having this checked out. He's up for sale. Anybody with proof can name their price. Hawaii officials would be fools to not play that game, especially since the proof against Obama would also prove their own guilt in covering up the crime.

This breaks the whole thing open. The lengths to which Obama will go to hide his records is now being reported on the talk shows. This is not going away.

Thanks.

“The underlying fact here is that Taitz has no idea what she’s doing, and consistently files garbled, incoherent lawsuits stuffed with assertions and debunked rumors.”

While I don't think this is reporting, it's dead on. I've looked at her briefs (I've been a practicing trial lawyer for 37 years), and they are complete garbage. I have no idea how she passed the bar. And I hope that Judge Carter (with whom I went to UCLA where we were on the track team together) sanctions her. The State Bar needs to look at her current misconduct. She needs to go back to practicing dentistry (where, I understand, she is plagued by malpractice lawsuits).

How many quarters per do you earn doing this politico-erase for the CHICOMS?

In your face, weigel!!!! Unfortunately for you, the Army has rescinded the Major's orders. This is further proof that obama is illegitimate as Commander in Chief.

Maybe you should finish getting that journalism degree. Maybe then you will learn how to do actual reporting.

ooooooo, but it seems she has won! obama is a fraud. Put the fraud in jail!!!!

About the CIA lying to Congress since 9/11, and Cheney ordering it: Well, obviously it's Condit & Levy, right? The non-trial going on right now? But! Since Pelosi & Reid ARE traitors, what would you expect the CIA to do, but lie to them.
Until…It's time for the Royal Flush. One little rug pulled out from The Big O… His non-eligibility. Of course, if 9/11 had been 2008, as they'd originally planned, the overwhelming emotional surge would have made O the World Dictator1
So… Maybe the Bushs DID make the Trade Towers happen? SO MANY things they've done first & watched them fail, depriving Commies from using same as The Big Power Grab.
I should know: My dad was the former Stasi East German General & Communist, Markus Wolf.
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The stonewalling of Obama is going to come home to roost. Our judicial system should have accepted one of these cases and allowed discovery to proceed to answer this question once and for all. All it will take is for a judge to allow subpoena's to be issued to the State of Hawaii, the colleges, and other sources. These records can then be produced to experts in immigration law and documents and the actually vetting of Obama, that all of the voters assumed had been done by the Democratic party prior to placing Obama's name on the ballot, will be done. Hopefully it will confirm that Obama is a natural born citizen. That question has not been answered to this day.

Anyone of you that think posting a photograph of a birth certificate to a website is valid try that when you apply for a Federal job or your passport and see how far that will get you.

I applaud this Judge for doing something that should have been done before Obama's name was placed on a primary ballot. Perhaps it will restore some sense of confidence in our political system and judicial system.

For all of you Obamabots such as Altird please post anything from the Democratic National Committee or the Federal Election Commision that states Obama was vetted before the primaries. Keep looking because it does not exist. Very conspicuous by its absence. All that was done was Obama posting a photograph of a birth certificate to a pro-Obama website. That does not rise to the level of vetting of a candidate.

If Obama is found not to be a natural born citizen it will be hilarious to watch how the Democratic party twists in the wind for putting their interests over the People by not vetting Obama. Keep in mind that the Democratic party knew about this since at least December 2007 when it was first raised by HILLARY CLINTON.

More silliness. Obama didn't take back the Major's orders, as a volunteer the Major can UNvolunteer any time prior to deployment. He NEVER had to go. Note how you misinterpret basic facts to suit your narrative. This is why most of us believe you people will *never* be satisfied – you warp reality to fit your bizarre theories.

It's amazing that you believe Obama called someone and said 'Quick, tear up his deployment orders!”. Good grief.

“Anyone of you that think posting a photograph of a birth certificate to a website is valid try that when you apply for a Federal job or your passport and see how far that will get you.”

You mean a Federal job like a Senator? Yeah, you'd have to give them a real Birth Certificate, wouldn't you? Gee, who do we know who has been a US Senator…?

Besides the paperless problem of the Islamocommie in the WH..it is intriguing all these unexplained social security numbers traced back to Obama's name all over the USA.Some 30 or so.Curious.And his momma has links to the Ford Foundation and Geithner,the Fed and on and on.We have a real problem America.What have you pink panty voters done to our free republic???
Internet scrubbing ALL DOCUMENTED! Forgery ALL DOCUMENTED!
Birthers means Constitution freedom lovers! Keep up the good work we must protect TRUTH AND FREEDOM!

A well known liberal weighs in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0CKj72GQLI&eurl…

Can you articulate what Orly Taitz “won”? I doubt it. I've read the papers. Judge Carter is going to let her make a (more) complete fool out of herslf and then probably sanction her under Rule 12, F.R.Civ.P.

Obama is plagued by malpractice suits. He needs to go back to lawyering. Oh, he can't; he lied to the Bar about never having gone by a different name. His wife can't practice law any more either, as I understand it, but nobody can find out why her license was revoked.

If somebody wants to “debunk” what Dr. Taitz is saying they just need to show BO's documents which certify that he is eligible. It is instructive that Obama's entire argument so far is either “It's none of your damn business” or “You didn't jump through the right hoops so this issue should just go away.”

As soon as Obama used the wrong oath he should have been disqualified from ever being president on procedural grounds. Right? That's the kind of putrid arguments he's been using all along. Spending almost a million dollars on lawyers to dance around the law.

There is a reason that lawyers are universally despised in the general population.

Elected positions are the only jobs a person can get without any background check. Probably because nobody who wants the positions could pass one.

All that was done was Obama posting a FORGED COLB on his site and photos of at least 2 different FORGED COLB's on his friends' site. And then almost a million bucks' worth of hemming and hawing about how it's nobody's business whether he's eligible for the job.

The Army gave in. They know there is no way to prove obama is eligible.

Tip of the Day: When using quotation marks, punctuation should be inside
them. High school English 101.

Not true. Article I Section 3 of the Constitution sets out citizenship requirements for the Senate. You must have been a citizen for at least nine years. Proof of citizenship is either by naturalization certificate or birth certificate.

Ergo, any Senator is either naturalized or has submitted a valid birth certificate.

More likely the Army decided they didn't want such an unstable personality (i.e. crackpot) in command of our men. I certainly don't think it's too much to ask that our Officers have basic reasoning skills.

Yeah… that's what it is.

Dual citizenship makes Obama a one-time American before he was adopted by the Indonesian. Too bad he was NEVER a natural-born citizen as defined by the constitition hence he must keep all important records sealed from the public. One day he will be imprisoned, hanged or deported.

Obama posted a COLB which is not his Birth Certificate and a computer image like that COLB wouldn't get me into the Civil Air Patrol or my kid into preschool.

Obviously not…if you offered a computer image. The *image* can be suspect, but the document has obviously been vetted by the State Dept, FBI, etc.

And yes, COLBs are valid Birth Certificates. It is what you get when you request a BC from Hawaii, and as such is a legal document. I don't know how this whole BC is not a BC thing got started.

Interesting that you can find a definition of “natural-born” in the Constitution when nobody else has been able to for 220 years.

They've also pulled his security clearance, which got him fired from his defense contractor job. They are setting up to court-martial him, which he deserves.

<<<As soon as Obama used the wrong oath he should have been disqualified from ever being president on procedural grounds. >>>

Hey IDIOT, Obama used the right Oath, Roberts screwed it up.

As a black male Army veteran, I would say, YES! Alan Keyes is a self hating overly religious Uncle Tom Racist. There is a character on the cartoon 'Boondocks' called 'Uncle Ruckus' who is Keyes personified. I don't care if an African American has conservative views that are lockstep with the republican party, but I cannot stand those who allow themselves to be paraded out to prove how diversified the party is. Also, it is not ANY soldiers responsibility to prove the validy of thier commander in chief's mechanism that provided them the presidency. I believe that responsibility belongs to the judiciary arm. This is treason and desertion plain and simple. The UCMJ exist because soldiers are NOT private citizens, and are not allowed to use the military as a mechanism for thier private political agenda. Whatever the truth about the birth certificat is, it matters not, duty is duty.

Yup I just picked up my COLB the other day from the county clerk's office since Vermilion county Illinois doesn't have birth certificates..

the issue goes back to whether Obama is a natural born citizen. That is the highest standard in our Country stated in the Constitution. Obama may or may not be a natural born citizen. The issue is that the evidence he produced, setting aside that it is a photograph or forgery, is that on its own it is not sufficient to prove he is a natural born citizen.

That will require Obama to produce the original birth records that the State of Hawaii has announced they are holding. Those vault records would confirm the name of the hospital Obama claims he was born in, the name of the doctors and witnesses. Without verifiable proof the photograph of a COLB is not sufficient to prove Obama is or is not a natural born citizen. As noted above to be a Senator is a lower standard.

“That will require Obama to produce the original birth records that the State of Hawaii has announced they are holding”

Says who?

When you request a BC from Hawaii, the COLB is what you get. That makes it a valid BC, and a valid BC that *says he was born in Hawaii*. We know it has been treated as a valid BC because he is a Senator, has a Passport, etc.

If a valid and official BC says he was born in Hawaii, making him 'natural-born', why does he require any proof beyond that?

His mother is american, if she has a child its an american. All of this back and forth about a BC is hilarious. Find something better to do with your time like looking for Bigfoot! idiots

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@tom_ma Tip of the year: you are suffering from “use” vs. “mention” confusion. See reference material on where to put a question mark when using quotation marks: http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp

University English 220.

Thank you !

Very nice sir. God these people are all chimp-brained morons, aren't they?

You mean like when your entire response to being totally pwned is “have a banana with Obongo, Chongo?” Like you said on another thread on this site?

Because that was fair play. Or unfunny racism. One or the other.

You mean like when your entire response to being totally pwned is “have a banana with Obongo, Chongo?” Like you said on another thread on this site?

Because that was fair play. Or unfunny racism. One or the other.

Randwulf, I'm not surprised to see you posting nonsense on this thread, as you do on all threads on this site.

Do me a favor. Look up who Obama ran against for U.S. Senate in Illinois. When you see “Alan Keyes” as the answer look at what party he ran as a member of. When it says “Republican” please be sure to come back and apologize to everyone for wasting our oxygen.

“His campaign lists the lawyer expenses and it's close to a million dollars he's spent on them.”

Great, then I look forward to seeing you post a link to that. Wait, you mean you can't because Obama cut off your internet service?

Oh, ok I understand. You go back to making shit up, then.

Birthers are racist.

For those who say birthers aren't racist, I present here a few quotes from Randwulf. They all appeared on one 109 post thread. I haven't bothered to look at any of his racist comments made in other threads, like the one with 2,869 comments. If you fuss about it someone will compile a master list including comments from others as well, and prove you that much MORE wrong.

Oh, and he also gives away birther philosophy. So this is a Birther Rosetta Stone. Every other word after this sentence is a direct quote of Randwulf, and the last quote is a nod to Florida Christian, so enjoy!

“I think he is an Indonesian wetback, an illegal alien in every sense of the word.” [posted twice on same thread, days apart]

“Monkeys are experts on where to find nuts. Aren't they ALFTURD?”

“Monkeyf@cker.”

“Yes like when you call me a “racist”. Turnabout is fair play MONKEYF@CK!”

“But, its all good. Laugh away. Eat bananas and fling pooh! The monkeys can never run the zoo for very long before more advanced primates must move back in, hose down all the $hit and restore order. Looking forward to that!!”

“Wack-a-doodle? Hmm is that some new kind of mongrel breed or something? Why don't you guys run one of them for office! Oh and this time, make sure he has all his records, so we don't have to go through all this again.”

“I don't remember mentioning race at all, so it is you “making it clear” that I must harbor “racist” sentiments.”

“Man have I got a list of who's been naughty and who's been nice. Got ammo?”

[Birther Philosophy revealed below!]

“Whatever they have, we want to see it. We won't stop until we have it. Argument over it is pointless. The original documents will tell all. And then we will go for all the rest of the documents that he refuses to release.”

[Florida Christian Alert!]

“This whole sick episode would have been laid to rest long ago if…”

There is no reason for Barack Obama to be forced to produce more than what any other President has ever been made to produce in the past in regard to his citizenship.

It’s ludicrous that people think it’s alright since he’s a ‘muslin terrist’ they can suddenly demand more proof from him than what is legally necessary.

You Sir are mother farking racist.

No, there isn’t. If you’d bothered to actually READ the site, you’d see that Hawaii, in an effort to get rid of needless paper, went completely electronic, and got rid of all paper documentation. Everything is on the computer.

TO ALL OF YOU LIBS OUT THERE:

I'm in contact with people who know what Hawaii will and won't release as far as records go. I will be letting you all know what I am getting from them. Hold onto your seats. This is gonna be great!! You won't believe what I have already learned! Stay tuned kids, and have your insults and pooh ready! OK? Because all that you are claiming is false. Randwulf out.

ROFL SUuuuure, just like all those republicans who bragged how they had Michelle Obamas speech about “Whitey”.

I call Bullshit on your claim.

Thankyou!! That was all ME! I freely and proudly take credit for all of it. I stand by all of it. I am right in saying all of it. And the best is yet to come because I am getting some really good original source material to endorse my claims and statements. So have a banana and wait. I will not be long. Don't cross swords with me. You will all end up with steel up your asses. COPY THAT?

You can eat your “bullshit” asshole! I'm not a Republican. They, like all the Democrats are a bunch of pussies living in fantasy land. Get over your silly partisan bullshit and get real about something!

The same people who wanted to rewrite the constitution to have Arnold president now are disputing the legitimacy of a president

And estimated by *who* … Goldilocks? Sir Lancelot? Your neighbor’s annoying nephew? Sources, people! And while we’re on the topic of lie-bel ….what’s this about Michelle Obama’s license to practice law being revoked? If that was true, do you have any idea how big the headlines would be?? Back away from the crack pipe, take off the tinfoil hat …. gooood birther ….

section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). That's where the natural born citizen definition can be found.

So what did you find out, mr. genius?

His father was British so that means Obama was born a Brit. FROM KENYA…a government investigation was prompted by “numerous intelligence reports that Obama was born in Mombasa at the Lady Grigg Maternity Wing of the Coast Provincial Hospital.”A Mr. Kisombe noted that the Kenyan government’s inability to find Obama birth records was not conclusive, because “the information we in the ministry have is that some documents have been removed by unknown persons at unknown dates or are missing from birth registry records thus denting the prospects of uncovering the facts of this matter.” DEMAND IMPEACHMENT NOW! the document Mr. Obama has presented to the American people as his authenticated copy of his birth certificate offers evidence of fraud and treason. LTC Lakin got his early release today now we must give Obama an early release. http://www.BirtherReport.com