DeMint: America Is ‘Where Germany Was Before World War II’

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Thursday, July 09, 2009 at 9:42 am

Last night, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) gave a short talk and Q&A at at the National Press Club about his book “Saving Freedom.” DeMint told a room of around 100 people about a conversation he’d had with an Iranian immigrant who was panicking about the surge of government spending and control under President Obama and the Democrats. Americans should listen to immigrants like her, said DeMint.

They understand socialism. They understand tyrants. But none of us have ever had it here. We don’t even know what it looks like. Part of what we’re trying to do in “Saving Freedom” is just show that where we are, we’re about where Germany was before World War II where they became a social democracy. You still had votes but the votes were just power grabs like you see in Iran, and other places in South America, like Chavez is running down in Venezuela. People become more dependent on the government so that they’re easy to manipulate. And they keep voting for more government because that’s where their security is. When our immigrants get here, they’re worried, because they see it happening here.

DeMint worried that it was the “eleventh hour” for freedom, but he disputed a question from a man who wondered if America was ripe for another revolution. “The reason I’m convinced we can do this in a civilized way is that I’ve seen, on a number of issues, that when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.”

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And you obviously hate punctuation and the English language.


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

Well to myopic douche bags like Jim DeMint, the answers to your questions is yes.
Just check out any wing nut talk radio show. that’s the crap they are selling….

Great post, btw….


NotTimothyGeithner
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

We are where Germany was before World War II. Our corporations control the state and we are on the verge of massive economic collapse (just like Germany was in 1938) because we allowed our corporations to run rampant while appeasing the people with war and tax rebates. The only difference is Obama might not be completely in the pocket of the defense industry.


marvinthalenbergmd
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

He is right. The people wanted change, so they voted it in last November. The Republicans cant seem to understand that.
If we dont get real change in health care in the next 3 weeks, our dysfunctional system will continue to crash and burn.If we dont get the stimulus money out faster, the states will collapse. If the Republicans continue to put holds on Obama's choices for advisors, there cant be governance- Obama cant run a huge government by himself.


JayInDallas
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

I find it amazing that this kind of rhetoric spouts today and is largely ignored saved by a few of the GOP faithful, where if it had arisen against the previous president, it would have been censored, criticized as unpatriotic and perhaps even warranted a visit from Homeland Security.


Marcus
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

Righttttttttttttt!!!!!!!! DeMint knows history and governments like he knows what god wants him to do.
Germany, under the NSDAP ( Nazi to you Jim ) beat opponents, spied on everyone ( remember Bush and Cheney Jim? ), upped the spending on armaments ( remember Bush and Cheney Jim? ),
invaded other countries on trumped up excuses ( remember Bush and Cheney Jim? ), blamed everyone else for their problems ( remember Bush and Cheney Jim? ).
Jim DeMint is a congenital idiot ( that means Jim that you were and idiot from birth ).
I really suspect that he prefers lying to telling the truth ( remember Bush and Cheney Jim? ).


markytex
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

we kicked the republicans out for this very reason. accusing democrats of the very thing they did for 8 years. how laughable.


roccoboma
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

DeMint is a right wing nut, why bother.


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lcsg
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

Wow, a Republican listening to immigrants? Amazing.


Davo
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

Does Jim DeMint know a thing about history? Does he even understand the words that come from his own mouth? What gibbering nonsense.


davidfromhouston
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

If one follows Senator DeMint's logic he himself is guilty in paticipating in a “Socialist” healthcare plane as a member of Congress. Perhaps he should withdraw from the program and obtain coverage through the private market? Or is he really a Socialist sympathiser? It reality his analogy is better applied to the Bush administration when our Constitution was shredded? Why can we now be subjected to wiretappping without a warrant? Where are our Habeus Corpus rights?

Senator DeMint can bloviate all that he wants, but as a party the Republicans can't even seem to decide what to call our current president. He's the pals around with terrorists, Marxist, Socialist, Nazi, Muslim, not a real American President of the United States. Perhaps Senator Demint should add Dictator from Planet X when he takes off his aluminum foil hats that keep the voices away.


fiona
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

The immigrant most likely cannot speak english, and has straight hair.

There is a reason why they have to run away from their countries – many of them WERE they tyrants.

Pretending to be 'poor little me' panicking because of Government spending is just too rich. When they were back home the complaint was that Government was not spending.

People against Socialism are usually highly religious people masquerading as decent, while being simply MEAN and MEAN spirited. That is why Republicans are always against spending, unless it is on their pet projects


MYMY
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

Well he might be right, given the negative vote by King against commemorating the African-American (and often Christian) slaves that built the US Capitol: he excludes them from the US' pure Christian heritage. Not to mention KKK lover Sessions yelling that Sotomayor is a 'racist' when his real beef is that she is 'Hispanic'. And then there's the Fox news host yelling that too many ethnicities are mixing in marriage. So if it's Germany pre WW II it's not because of our enlightened leadership in the administration and most of Congress; it's in the very real and repellent “Aryanism” of such men


Irish_Wake
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

The Honorable Senator DeMint shows he does not understand college level economics (deficit spending in a depression), socialism v. fascism (equating the German National Socialist Party with Socialism), and people becoming easy to manipulate. I refuse to go into using votes as power grabs.

I do find this quote interesting: “The reason I’m convinced we can do this in a civilized way is that I’ve seen, on a number of issues, that when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.” Although the Honorable Senator may not recognize it, this is exactly what he is witnessing.


Susan Trapnell
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:50 pm

Children are often afraid of the bogey man– but that doesn't mean there is a bogeyman. There is nothing admirable in a grown man who continues to see the bogeyman around every corner. Of course he might be using the bogeyman to scare the other children. Nothing admirable in that either.


Totto
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

Mr. DeMint is eight years off. The Bush years were most like Germany in the thirties with their propaganda minister Rove and the suspension of habeus corpus. Saying it doesn't make it so.


blix
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

Maybe we should become a complete libertarian state….like Somalia


oldguy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

RIGHT! Obama has had MONTHS now to clean up after Bush (and Clinton). What is wrong with him? Why isn’t everything better? He must be a Nazi or something.


AlphaLiberal
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

“Do this?” Do what, exactly, Senator? Remove people from power that you disagree with – outside the electoral system?

America's conservatives have coup envy.


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mo
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Yeah– that's why immigrants voted for the democrats I guess!


Tony
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Sure, Iran understands socialism, they tried to elect a socialist government at one point, which we promptly overthrew in favor of the Shah. And Germany became a social democray AFTER WW2, and still continues to be. Before WW2, tey became a National Socialist dictatorship, when a right-wing demagogue came to power with the aid of industrial and financial elites… sounds more like a Sarah Palin scenario in 2012/2016 than anyhting we saw this election.


TrOb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

It isn’t just the “Aryanism”, it’s the equivalent of that in all races and ethnicities. Why should all ethnicities have liberal social engineering and PC policies pushed down their throats and told what to think and how to behave? Why is society and the powers that be, e.g., mass media, pushing and trying to encourage/manipulate ethnicities and mixing of the ethnicities? That’s what’s unnatural and what is destroying freedom not the other way.


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libertyforall
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

Somalia is not a libertarian state


htspaan
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

I think the tyrant just left office on January 20. What is this guy talking about. Spying on the American public, rendition, lying to get the country into a war, manipulating the Justice Depatment for political reasons, etc, etc, and etc…..and this guy is worrying about President Obama? Where has he been for the last 8 years of tyranical, unchecked by COngress, the courts or even the American people.


methree
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

How dare you!
How dare you?
How dare you even thinking this way?
Shame on you for taking events so out of context shame on you…
(and shame on your Governor while I am at it!)


Godwhacker
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

And like most Republicans, DeMint thinks we got here in the 6 months Obama has been in power.


TrOb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Obama is the polar opposite of a Nazi? There’s an old Asian saying, “Extreme opposites connect to each other”, meaning that what look like opposites are in many cases one and the same thing. Food for thought.


budzilla
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:05 pm

I see the right wingnuts have not found this article yet. I give them another 20 minutes.


Bald and Silver
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

DeMint fails to accept the fact that his party and the conservative wing created the unfortunate situation which caused the government to invest all the money to try to stabilize life in the United States, he is nothing but a non thinking hypocritical wing nut.


Richard
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

““The reason I’m convinced we can do this in a civilized way is that I’ve seen, on a number of issues, that when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.”

Yes, after being duped by 8 years of Bush and 12 years of Republican-controlled congress the people finally did become informed and we had a major regime change on November 4, 2008.

Cong. DeMint obviously was asleep when that happened since he, like most of the Red State Old Confederacy South still haven't woken up. DeMint's and the GOP's cherished goal of extending their political dynasty is over and the Red State secessionist-minded Neanderthals are shrinking in numbers.

Americans did not ask for the government to take over but we all realized that the much-touted private sector and free enterprise system failed to create jobs and higher wages for ordinary workers. What we saw instead was a huge Ponzi scheme, aided and abetted by GOP lobbyists and Wall Street hucksters whose unsigned agreement with the Bush administration allowed the thieves and swindlers to run amok, ripping off investors, retirement and pension funds.

It was the biggest heist in the history of our country and one which amounted to a coup d'etat and a Potemkin Village economy that collapsed almost overnight. We are now paying and will continue to pay for the GOP-Bush-Cheney years of borrow-and-spend policies which depended almost entirely on coddling communist countries like China who now own the government securities that Bush sold them to finance his disastrous wars in both Afghanistan and Iraq.

While Bush and his financial gurus, Ben Bernanke and Henry Paulson, knew full well that this borrowed money must inevitably be paid back, they also knew that they would renege on those same government securities (IOUs) that have been put into the Social Security trust fund that were promised to the American people. We know whose governments the Bush mob really supported but it is not the United States of America. Congressman Jim DeMint should go to China to pick up his next paycheck.


olevet69
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

What is in the water in South Carolina that gives us such luminaries as Mendel Rivers, Strom Thurmond, Jim Demint, Ernest Hollings, Mark Sanford, and Lindsay Graham? And, let's not forget those wonderful religious institutions such as Bob Jones University and the now defunct PTL club. I am amused to drive down I-85 and see the billboards about religion and pornography.


kozy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

I see almost zero similarity between Hitler and Obama. While Hitler was in bed with Germany's large corporations and Obama is in bed with U.S. financial institutions and probably a few other big corporations, the simility stops there. I doubt very much whether Obama plans to exterminate various cultural or ethnic groups in the country by the millions, invade neighboring countries (like Canada, Mexico, and later all of South America), concoct a psychotic master race theory, shred the Constitution, or make a pact with the largest religious institutions to look the other way and shut up. I believe the far right congressman is hallucinating — again.


bebop
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Another fear mongering GOP politician. Yo DeMint, where were you during the last 8 years of the Republican dictatorship when the US was behaving like Nazi Germany and unilaterally invading countries?


CoyoteMan
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

For an educated man, DeMInt has a poor grasp of history. If DeMint would read up on his history we'd all be better served.

Jim! Buddy, we don't make up world history as we go along! It's already been written and its conveniently printed in books. So you can read the books.
You know books? Those things you keep trying to get burned &/or banned in South Carolina.


TomCat84
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

It's interesting how the GOP can't decide if Hitler/Obama was/is a communist, socialist, or fascist. Maybe they need to take a few poli sci courses?


emily9122
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

DeMint should look back at the Bush regime, for a power-grabbing party. And, acting like this is just before Germany in World War II- well, Hitler killed six million people because of his religious beliefs, which sounds much more like the religious right to me.


James_L
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

The thing is that there are a lot of Americans and Immigrants who throughout the terms Socialism, Marxism, Communism, Fascism and really have no idea what these things are, what they mean conceptually, how they are applied practically in various countries, societies, and cultures and then they bloviate about how bad this is or that is.
I was on a plane yesterday where a gentleman began commenting on Social Medicine/Universal Healthcare, Socialism etc. and ironically he started using Canada, Denmark, Sweden as examples and when I pushed back on the Denmark and Sweden examples (I lived in that region for nearly 12 years and worked on healthcare strategy, approaches and technology solutions while there) he quickly tried to change the subject because he had no facts, no credible information, no experience (had never even been outside the United States, not even to Canada). In addition, I now work in the US Healthcare industry now and explained how things actually work he got really quiet and began to say things like “well the liberals are taking over”, and “too much government costs too much” etc. So, it had nothing to do with actual understanding, facts, etc. it had everything to do with some misinformed philosophy, non-reality based emotions, and a “hate” for anyone who was different or thought differently then he did.
Simply amazing folks!!! Wake up folks…stop letting any talking head from MSNBC, FOX, CNN tell you what and how to think! Read for yourself, make your own inquiries, pay attention and observe more, ask questions when you see or hear something and research the answers you get then make a decision about where to vote, spend, focus your time and energies for the common good and not just your”self”.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

Yeah. Bush invaded the wrong country! Lucky he didn’t get it confused with Iran, Indonesia or India. They all begin with “I”. Like “Idiot”.

Maybe he should have gone after those who committed the crime, like….oh, I don’t know maybe Osama bin Laden! Didn’t it bother anyone that 15 or so of the 20 hijackers were Saudi citizens? Obviously didn’t bother you republican Einsteins!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

Schwarzeneggar is not a Republican any more than Pelosi is!


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

Jim DeMint is an embarrassment to the people of South Carolina.


vicman
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Wow, can you imagine how the GOP would be reacting if was a real soicalist?


martinhoffmann
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

8 years of conservative economics.
Is that what it was?
How long a democratic administration?
Little more than half a year?
Instead of running an election campaign after a lost election it would be time for all Americans to solve the existing problems with intelligent compromises.
Germany after lost WW1 is another chapter – consult history.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

Conservative – you mean like: non veteran (Cheney, Lott, let those people fight and take the risks); hypocrite (see my contract for America while I serve my cancer striken Wife divorce papers in the hospital); sanctimonious (the GOP rep from MD a rabid anti-gay rights agitator cruising all the gay bars in the area and picking up men); crooked (I’m not a crook…. -uh -uh… I shall resign the presidency…); can’t spell (that would be YOU Conservative misspelling “idots” -uh, that’s idiots, -of all things… lol); drug addicted (go, rush to get your oxycontin…lol); AND felon (resigning as Vice President after pleading nolo to tax evasion. I could go on but…


Mathew Thomas
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Mr. Senator 70% people approve what Obama administration. Are you simply blind? So you say only 30% people care about the freedom? If 70% of population approve what Obama administration is doing , then that is called Democracy.
You tell me what REpublican administration did to prevent Wallstreets and Banks to exploit avarage Americans from frauds and exploitation in the name of Mortgage, Credit Cards and all other B.S?? What did you do to protect the finance of Avarage Americans? What did your Republican Goverment did to protect the avarage life of Americans? But instead , your administration gave Green Signals to Enron, Stanford, Maddoff, Leyman Brothers, Goldman Sachs…..on and on and on…..
I know Obama administration is not trying to impliment socialism, but I believe socialism is better than pushing people in to financial Hell on avarage Americans by Capitalism.
If Monopolistic Capitalism (Eg:Walmart) was not there, there would be many hundreds of thousands of people would be enterpreneurs (small business owners) in this nation, and existing businesses would be continue exists instead we see store closing sings on each and every corner of the blocks. .
Yea.. Senator.. Republican Administration did great …….for the top 5% of people, but what about rest of the population. Are you ready to take the challenge for an open and respectful debate? if yes let me know… just.thomas@hotmail.com


dontgiveafck
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

I agree with you there dfjayhawk


Tilman
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

Hello from Germany!
The America of today is in NO WAY anything like Germany before WWII. Also, it implicitly compares Obama with Hitler, which is totally crazy.
Just a few comparisons:
- Does Obama control the press?
- Does Obama control paramilitary groups who destroy oppositional organisations?
- Does Obama arrest politians of the opposition?
- Does Obama use hate-mongering against invisible enemies to push an atmosphere of hate and mistrust in the society?
- Does Obama lead a party which is totally in line with him, and in which anyone who voices dissent disappears suddenly?

Anyone who dares to compare America with Germany has no idea what he is talking about.
Greetings from Heidelberg!

BTW, if anything in the US is comparable to the NSDAP, it's the Republicans! They are
- anti-intellectuals
- religious fanatics
- nationalists like crazy
- uniformists, e.g. don't like dissent or critical thinking
- hate-mongers


ws
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

I guess he hadn't noticed that the people got informed, threw the Bush/Cheney tyrants out and the government is changing.

Sounds like a democracy to me.

What an ignoramus — and my senator.

AAARRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

If you think that reminds you of McCain, there is no hope for you. Go cry yourself to sleep because of the Big Bad Republicans!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:28 pm

sorry redman but democrats were NOT in control. they had a small majority from 2006 to 2008 but Bush vetoed evertthing.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

The people that do the work, that pay the taxes?!? Seriously? So the bottom 50% pay way more taxes than the top 2% do right?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

you can’t believe D Fricken jayhawk


pmartens
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

The GOP is intent on defining our countries woes in a way that gives them a pass and paints the new administration as a serious threat to freedom. But, again, there is no mention of solutions. How do they propose to use their platform to address current issues? The answer is, they can't. There is no way to use lower taxes and limited government intervention at this time without admitting that they had more than enough time to do so the past ten years and they blew it. Unless the GOP stops fear mongering and starts doing some serious soul searching, they will never overcome the credibility gap they have created for themselves. For starters, the courting of the limbic brain segment of society that wants to legislate morality like the Mullahs in Iran is making it impossible for anyone to take 'limited government intervention in peoples' lives' seriously. They cannot tie Obama to Hitler and continue to pander to people who are intent upon creating a master race of white, Christian, patriarchal fanatics.


Dr. K
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

No disagreement on congress, taken on the whole, just pitiful, negligent and out of touch. And things have been going south since the late 1700s, but Bush and crew used a wrecking ball to our fragile attempts at a more perfect union.

As to the “power grab by Obama and his willing allies,” being against is not a solution. Being right about who is wrong doesn’t change anything. In the election, the Republican answer to Obama’s campaign was Sarah Palin, and puh-lease, don’t say this ignorant, incompetent, unqualified extremist quitter is what the country needs. Following the election, the Republicans have raised the level of vitriol and paranoia rather than either working with the dems to solve these problems are coming forth with a credible and doable plan.

At least Obama is calm and intelligent, rather than inarticulate and incompetent. At least he’s trying to keep most of his campaign promises and to address the unprecedented difficulties left him (and us) by his nation-building freedom suppressing power grubbing profiteering predecessor.

You know what scares me? People who say things like, “You aren’t a real republican!” as if agreeing with you is the only sane choice. That’s crazy. You know what else scares me? The paranoid and polarizing loudmouths (Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter and the like) who have dominated our national dialog for so long that people have grown accustomed to it.

Maybe you think shouting at people is persuasive. “Are you for real?” I just took a look at your other posts, and I see you have a gift for calling people names, being rude, petulant and irresponsible. You reveal more about the reality you live in than you do about these issues and challenges facing us.

And I reiterate, the crooks, liars and philanderers on the right flank of our nation are an embarrassment. (As are the ones on the left.)

Call me what you will. I’ll not bother to respond to you again.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

AH! D Fricken jayhawk speaks true!


gteasy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

Hey emily9122.. I agree Bush was all about grabbing power through unconstitutional means. He was a warmonger and violated the civil liberties of every living American.

But as far as Hitler killing six million people b/c of religious beliefs, that's sounds a little bit like Revisionist history to me. He killed people who were not as “Genetically Superior” as him. That's why the mentally disabled were also massacred in Germany. It had more to do with a flawed understanding of eugenics and Evolutionary Philosophy than it did with “Religion”. If he only knew the basics of human origin as so adequately explained by Thomas Jefferson he would know that “All men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights.” Don't Be misled to think that One political Party is Right and the other is Wrong.” They Both want Power, and they both want to take away your freedom. The Republicans want Totalitarianism and the Democrats want Fascism / Communism. They are both Wrong, because they Deny a Free Republic (And no, not the same thing as Democracy).


ATSJer
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

Indirectly comparing Obama with Hitler…will these windbags ever stop. I'm about to start sending around a petition that forbids any Congressman or Senator from speaking in public again as it seems whenever they do they end up saying something colossally stupid which ruins the illusion that we've created that the smartest people in the country are running things.


jorge999
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

I used to think Repugs like Demint were just sore losers, but I have heard too much of this reckless, hateful talk to see it that way now.

Demint and his kind are strenuously trying to demonize and de-legitimize Obama.

They apparently care not that the venom they are spewing is poisonous to our body politic.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

D Fricken jayhawk can’t spell… it’s Schmuck -not Smuck


Stoff
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Not, the entire Nazi ideology was against modern industry.They saw it as a means to achieve an end, nothing more, and were elected to take control back from the corporate bureaucrats that were running the Wiemar Republic. Progress was in the strongest race dominating others not in the creation of advanced industry to maintain an exploitive advantage over others. Obama is not trying to revert us back to a mythical past as the Nazi ideology dictated but to move us forward toward an arguably mythical future. One could say Obama is the polar opposite of a Nazi.

You need to understand what drove the Nazi party before you make bizarre assertions.


californiadreamin2
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:35 pm

Is this guy really a senator? His name shouldn't be DeMint, it should be DimWit. Nazi Germany called itself a “social democracy” but it was in reality a fascist dictatorship–but hey, what's in a name? According to America's rabid right, President Obama is a communist, socialist, fascist, Nazi, tyrant.

Why worry about the actual meaning of the words you use when your objective is spreading hate and ignorance rather than understanding?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Aha! D Fricken jayhawk, doesn’t know that Aaahhnuld learned to speak English with translations of Nixon speeches.


lcrobinson
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

Talk about juxtaposing facts here! The Bush/Chenney/Rumsfeld triax are the exact mirror of the Hitler/Goebles/Himmler triax. IT WAS BUSH who was the Hitler dopleganger, not Obama.

This senator needs to realize that it was Bush and the Republican controlled congress (aka neo-National Socialists) who took the economy down, who encroached upon more constitutional rights than any president prior OR SINCE, who deceived the country and world with lies and subterfuge to get us into one big bad ass expensive and unjustified war, and used a weird ideology to do it all, JUST LIKE HITLER and his minions in the Reichstagg did.

There's a reason Bush (not Obama) came to be equated with Hitler….


excitom
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

” when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.”

It DID. (See last November's election results)


Chris Vasquez
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

DeMint is demented in comparing the US to post World War II Germany; like all GOP, hatred of their lost in the last elections is still erupting in their hearts that their heads are so messed up they couldn't differentiate fact from fabrication.


chaz
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

was this whacko one of the authors of revelations ?


peter51
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

DeMint is right-A Nazi reactionary bigot like him-should know!

The far right in Germany circa 1937 would love this birdbrain.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

Actually Dean, that would be Dwight David Eisenhower. The dems did escalate the war and then the republicans (Nixon) were brought back into power with a “secret plan” to end the war during the 1968 election. The whole country pretty much wanted out of the war by then. Then the repubs ran in 1972 under the “peace with honor” banner. We finally left in 1974 when Ford was president with a mad scramble off the embassy roof. My fear is that Afganistan will be Obama’s Viet Nam. I hope not.

A pithy little sentence doesn’t work when history is a little more complex!


Delicious
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

DeMint shouls know about Germany before WWII…his GOP has the same doctrines. Blame, blame, blame, deny, deny, deny. I woke up early one morning and the History Channel was on describing how Hitler came into power…sounded earily just like the rhetoric that the GOP keeps pandering to it's bunch of neocons. Hatred, bigotry, censorship, dictatorship, abolishing rights etc along with the destruction of the middle and low income people.


wes
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

what's funny is that if the german revolution of 1918 had succeeded and actual, honest-to-god socialists had come to power, the right-wing fascist movement would have been dealt with before it gained too much momentum and maybe that whole ww2 thing could have been avoided.

not that i'd expect america's own right-wing protofascist party to acknowledge that, they're too busy calling everyone they don't like “socialists”


sylhines
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

DeMint is selling a snake oil book and will tell any kind of tale to do it. Comparing America to Germany is foolish. Using immigrants as foils in his story is just as wrong as Germany killing immigrants leading up to the war. He has no shame. What should I expect from a South Carolina politican of family values, bigoted and christian. The fear mongering, misinformation and hate coming from DeMint fits the pattern of the present GOP and the Nazi party before WWII..


T N Taylor
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Does he mean like it did last November when the American people voted out the Republicans? Or does it only apply when his side wins.


Matt
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:51 pm

RIght. So first some in the Republican wing likened themselves to the Iranian underdogs and now we're somehow replicating Germany's social democracy that to the Shoah. As usual, the Republicans are dipping their fingers into the chest of history to try and legitimate their current existential position. They are out of power for a reason, and the sooner they stop making absurd historical claims for their lack of power, maybe they will have some useful to say, or at least begin to realize that a new generation is stepping up to reject the ideologies of old. As Jefferson and Paine once said, every generation has the right to recreate society as they see fit. Moreover, for DeMint to use an Iranian immigrant to make a case for Obama's fiscal “recklessness” is irresponsible. Our countries have different histories, so instead of attempting to make these grand historical links, why don't we begin to realize that Obama was elected to try a different hand in remaking our country. He has an enormous task after three decades of conservative rule.


Rick Eriksen
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

Regarding pre war Germany…By definition of the American Heritage Dictionary, fascism is:

“A system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme right, typically through the merging of state and business leadership, together with belligerent nationalism.”

Does any of that seem familiar…We are told everyday about corporate America…we cannot watch TV without seeing corporate America 24/7, what the hell is corporate America anyway? where is it? who is it?

And talk about brain washed, What other country plays the national anthem before every event where the public gathers of any size, or chants USA USA at every possible opportunity, or raises their fingers to indicate to anyone watching that the USA is number one…what I do not understand is, number one in what…

Let's face it, this country long ago crossed the Rubicon as relates to brainwashing…We have a huge ignorant population which never asks any questions or worse yet are so completely brainwashed that they accept MSM sound bites and spin as fact…resulting in many of our fellow Americans being so completely cognitive dissonance to the slightest hint of the true reality that they are in, that they will fight you if you even try to mention the truth..Whch brings us to the question of what form a revolution might take place in this country…it won't…just like Pre War Germany this country is ready to fight any enemy…however the general population does not know what enemy they are ready to fight, so they are only waiting for Faux News to tell them which way to point thier second amendment rights…

So to avoid any kind of domstic unpleasantries…all that is needed to keep most “Americans” in line and not crossing the Potomac where the real problems occur, are some more wars on defenseless contries and or threats of wars..we are a war like people and we need wars to be happy and keep those hero's coming..hey lets face it, for any of you out there that remember histroy, it almost worked for Germany…


kkojei
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Social Democracy frightens the arch conservative because it threatens to reign in massive and rampant criminal behavior by rich corporate entities and their pawns, pawns we elect to government but who are too often and from the beginning financed by powerful interests who HAVE already destroyed our economy by legalized rapine at every level. No matter where you care to look in America, the rule of law has been compromised by attorneys, judges, council members, Governors, Senators and the administrators of our government, pawns of one powerful lobby or another. Banks steal money from our accounts in overdraft fees manipulated by a system designed to do just that, steal. The financial system is so completely riddled with corruption until true freedom for us will ultimately mean tossing these dollars in the streets and declaring them worthless. Time, the time we have to live, is the only true currency we own. How valuable is yours? Is it worth the constant misery of dealing with one liar after another, whose only mission is to get your money and give you as little as possible for it? If time is money, just what hourly wage can compensate you for the time you miss in your childrens' lives, with your spouse, with your personal interests, all back burner items so a few narcissistic and greedy oligarchs can feel secure with far, far more green paper than they can ever spend?
The system is bankrupt. That's good. Now let's build something that makes real sense for everybody.


AdmC
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

does he mean like when Hitler took over? so is he proposing the GOP and maybe Palin/Newt or some other GOPer is Hitler and the GOP is the Nazis party?


mobedda
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

Huh… Was this talk in a beer hall?


gnolti
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

When President Obama starts talking about putting people in concentration camps and waging total war on the rest of the world, I will consider taking Mr. DeMint's comments seriously.


ldfreitas
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

As far as I'm concerned, it's Bush and Cheney who were the first co-Fascist dictators of the USA. Under Bush/Cheney we did what Germany did in Sept. 1939 in attacking Poland: attacked a country, Iraq, that was no threat to us!


peter777
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Whatever it is in the water SC, it has produced continuously a set of politicians who have done serious harm to the U.S., going way back to John C. Calhoun before the Civil War. SC hot-headed politicians were more responsible for the start of the Civil War than those from any other state. It is an unfortunate turn in history that the other southern states came to their defense, thus setting the stage for a million casualties to get a result that could have been negotiated over time. Yes, indeed, there is something in the water in SC. And, DeMint, Graham, and Sanford expect us to take them seriously.


freepatriot
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

so george bush is the Kaiser, who led us to defeat and the destruction of our nation ???

or is demint blaming Obama ???

cuzz the Germans ended up in Wiemar due to an incompetent military commander who persued a foolish war for 4 years

that sounds more like bush that Obama

and the minority party that spreads lies in an attempt to overthrow a democraticly elected government ??? which party would that be ???

sure sounds like demint just admitted that the repuglitard party is as incompetent as the Kaiser, and as criminal and dispicable as the NAZIs

not exactly what demint was lookin to do ???

maybe the repuglitards are gonna have tpo go back to the drawing board, or dip into the history books again

here's a hint:

try not to draw comparisons between george bush and caligula when you spin your next bullshit review of history, ya fookin putz


george c paree
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

I cant believe the american people cant see what a crook obama is he lies time after time he is taken control of are freedom and yet he hates amweica get some brains people


lapdogd
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

Where was DeMint back when Bush was in office? Illegally listening to everybody's phone calls without a warrent; taking people off the street and locking them up with no trial.

If I didn't know any better, it sounded like Heil Bush had his Gestapo running around the country to pull anybody that disagreed with him off the streets.

Time for DeMint to refresh his memory about the past eight years!!!


Steffen
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

As a German: This Guy is totally nuts. The whole economy and political system before WWII was based on one party with the goal to promote the Arian race by pushing the world to the total war.
Hitler did not get elected by his own party but by the social democrats. His party didn't have enough seats to get him elected. The rest is history.

But follwing Demints logic, the Democrats will elect an Republican President, who is from Mexico wears a ugly mustache and will start a war with Canada. So long and have fund


Jimbo
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

Excuse me but Germany was anything but socialist before WWII. What they were was a nation of people beaten down by a lost war (WWI) with no help from the rest of the world to get back on there feet. They were brainwashed by fear and motivated by vengence. Does that sound like a former administration? This nation is far from that in our history. We are in a difficult time but the only people that are motivated by fear and vengeance is the far right. Those are the people we need to watch out for.


Nardwilly
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

I read “The Rise and Fall of the Third Riech” when I was sin the 8th grade. It was fascinating. At the time, 1966, it was the definitive popular history on the rise of Hitler's Germany. I read it two more times before I turned 30. I have not read about Stalin, but the terror Hitler and the German people visited on Europe and the world is beyond comparison. The psyhcic destruction of the German people and the terror inflicted on others is unique in scope and kind.

For anybody with a passing knowledge of Germany before the war recognizes DeMint's comments indicate his ignorance and his expectation that others are ignorant. I understand why BIll Maher says the first to call someone like a Nazi looses the argument. There is nothing German Nazi like, not even George Lincoln Rockwell.


sylhines
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

You know driving down I-85 or I-95 you are amazed at the progress in VA, NC, GA and FL. Only SC and the northern part of GA seems to be resisting progress. SC is the poorest state in the country and as I consistently traveled thur the state the last 13 years, it it clear there is an effort to resist new infill migiration, improvement of public education, health services and the quality of life of its citizens. When you mentioned I-85, I had to let you know I had similar experiences. I used to visit Newberry, Gaffney, Greenville and other areas and it seemed they worked hard to stay in the past.


gustaf
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Funny, there I was thinking the same about the Republicans during the first 6 years of the decade.


cybergal619
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

Is it a contest between AK and SC to see which can produce the most idiotic politicians with a microphone? It's neck and neck for the most part with MN inching up along the rail. Oh, look, and they're all reslugs spouting their versions of ill-informed Beckspeak!


sylhines
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

You are so right


Jim Crabtree
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

The ignorance is spectacular. These GOP people would ruin the country just because they've lost an election…. just like 1938 Munich.

America: Love it or Leave it….

It's time for the GOP to get on a boat… maybe start a new country. They could always take over Paraguay where German is the second language… they would a lot of friends there!


jimboliscious
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

Amazing… in five short months Obama has destroyed America… but in the nine months prior to 9/11 Bush didn't have enough time to do anything about terrorism (which is why 9/11 was Clinton's fault). A lot of us felt that the Bush admnistration felt a lot like Germany before WW II with the power grab (so-called unitary president) that Republicans were fine with at that time. That's why we voted Republicans out… the problem is that the power that was amassed is still there and no President is going to give that up. Republicans just need to stop whining like the sore losers (emphasis on losers) that they are.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:13 pm

Hope you’re heading up to the moutains, far, far away! Us Democrat-IC swine are in control and will be for a long time to clean up this mess that Reagan started.


lindamcgreevy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

Every time a Republican becomes angry about the Democratic Progressives, the analogies to Germany in the mid-war years rises to the churning surface of his (or her) mind. The Weimar Republic was in no sense a “social (read: socialist) democracy,” and it was continuously and successfully attacked by the NSDAP (which had “socialist” in its acronym) or Fascist Party under the likes of Hitler, Goering, Goebbels, and Himmler. I fear Senator DeMint, a known crank, is following fascist rhetoric in attacking our own democratic structures, which are responding to a cultural/generational shift that is well underway as the economy struggles with the results of years of Republican hatred of government in general. As in most of the conservative rhetoric, inaccurate but inflamatory comparisons with a mid-century meltdown that led to one of the most horrific periods in the world's history serve the purposes of those who would deny America its change, its freedoms, its future engagement with a changed and ever-changing world. The Republican party has lost its authority and is sure to lose its position in world and national affairs–and shan't get them back with the kind of crackpotology spouted by the likes of DeMint. Housecleaning–and some solid education is overdue.


eyckie
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

The GOP took America's freedom away and now Obama has to bring it back. Republicans, GWB and cronies sent American jobs overseas and burned the country and the global markets to the ground. American's would never stand for what Hitler did but they stood for what GWB did and the GOP backed him. Jim DeMint has lost his mind and he will loss the rest in the next election. These Repubs are sick, sick people.


blueollie
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Evidently, “tyranny” and “socialism” are Republicanspeak for “losing an election”.

It is only freedom when they win. :)


Delguy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

The Bush/Cheney administration was a model of fascism.All the traits in the 10 point definition of fascism could be found in abundance with those 2 clowns.Why is it that especially southerners keep electing these right wing douchbags.Don't you want good government! STFU!


devildog21
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

What a fear mongering jack ass. These GOP goofballs are getting more and more right wing crazies whipped into a frenzy that will ultimately lead to some kind of violent act in defense of freedom. What a crock. He should be censured by congress.


Chris
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Wow, so nice of Sen DeMint to think we can avoid another revolution, while saying things that could conceivably be seen as ratcheting up the tension and push people to becoming violent.


enjen
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

This is probably the only time the GOP thinks we should listen to immigrants, when they're concerned about government spending.


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Steve
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

If this means Hiter= President Obama, then he is obviously another rigth winf nut job.


What?
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

Didn't Germany invade Poland on baseless fears of terrorism? Is that what he's talking about?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Humiliation is just as counterproductive as torture. It only serves to further anger and harden the resolve of those who are mistreated. If you played headbanging music and deprived me of sleep, I wouldn’t exactly be in a mood to cooperate either.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Humiliation is just as counterproductive as torture. It only serves to further anger and harden the resolve of those who are mistreated. If you played headbanging music and deprived me of sleep, I wouldn’t exactly be in a mood to cooperate either.


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twofingerattack
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:26 pm

Zing! People should stop reading the comments now enjen wins.


Garyt
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

I was a republican for many years, then I left the party in 2000 because of exactly the tactics you talk about. Karl Rove may have won the elections for Bush, but how soon we forget what he did to McCann in Carolina in 2000 or Kerry in 2004.

How about the attempted impeachment of Clinton over a blow job, and how in the past few years, you have republicans falling out of politics over affairs including two of the most prominent republicans in the running for president. Oh, and then there’s the person who ran for vice-president who could not handle fulfilling the commitment she made to the citizens of Alaska when things didn’t go her way. All while professing love of Jesus and family values.

What hypocracy. The repubican party is run by nutcases and people who don’t thinkl. Here’s a thought for you conservatives to think about.

When Facism comes to America, it will arrive waving a flag in one hand and holding a bible in another. Sinclair Lewis

Definition of a republican conservative: Does not play well with others.

The United states is NOT Germany or Italy in the 30′s. My relatives lived in Italy during that period, they tell me what it was like. We got rid of the those most likely to bring facism in, the extreme right which threw moderates like me out of the party for not being ideologically pure enough. What does that sound like to you? Certainly, not true republicanism or the one I was part of.

The government does not control corporations/banks. The corporations/banks control the government. The Rovian/Bush manuvers with K street lobbyists saw to that. After 28 years of Freidman economics, we have 5% controlling 60% of the country’s wealth, with our country in utter economic chaos, The rich get richer, everyone else goes down the tubes. Exactly fullfilling what Buckley and others wanted in their pioneering works, only rich white people have the right to govern the USA is how I believe it goes.

Not the country I want or have ever wanted the USA to be, nor do I believe it was ever intended to be. Grow up, get over the fact a black man is president. Come up with solutions not Rush/Beck/Savage talking points. Those guys are entertainers, not real folks. Their job is get ratings any way you can. If that’s where you get your information, you are stupid and big time decieved.


Garyt
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

I was a republican for many years, then I left the party in 2000 because of exactly the tactics you talk about. Karl Rove may have won the elections for Bush, but how soon we forget what he did to McCann in Carolina in 2000 or Kerry in 2004.

How about the attempted impeachment of Clinton over a blow job, and how in the past few years, you have republicans falling out of politics over affairs including two of the most prominent republicans in the running for president. Oh, and then there’s the person who ran for vice-president who could not handle fulfilling the commitment she made to the citizens of Alaska when things didn’t go her way. All while professing love of Jesus and family values.

What hypocracy. The repubican party is run by nutcases and people who don’t thinkl. Here’s a thought for you conservatives to think about.

When Facism comes to America, it will arrive waving a flag in one hand and holding a bible in another. Sinclair Lewis

Definition of a republican conservative: Does not play well with others.

The United states is NOT Germany or Italy in the 30′s. My relatives lived in Italy during that period, they tell me what it was like. We got rid of the those most likely to bring facism in, the extreme right which threw moderates like me out of the party for not being ideologically pure enough. What does that sound like to you? Certainly, not true republicanism or the one I was part of.

The government does not control corporations/banks. The corporations/banks control the government. The Rovian/Bush manuvers with K street lobbyists saw to that. After 28 years of Freidman economics, we have 5% controlling 60% of the country’s wealth, with our country in utter economic chaos, The rich get richer, everyone else goes down the tubes. Exactly fullfilling what Buckley and others wanted in their pioneering works, only rich white people have the right to govern the USA is how I believe it goes.

Not the country I want or have ever wanted the USA to be, nor do I believe it was ever intended to be. Grow up, get over the fact a black man is president. Come up with solutions not Rush/Beck/Savage talking points. Those guys are entertainers, not real folks. Their job is get ratings any way you can. If that’s where you get your information, you are stupid and big time decieved.


twofingerattack
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Douchebags not Douchbags…fify.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Any “buy American” provision only weakens our economy in the long run and leads to retaliatory gestures by other nations. Try reading United States history and you will see how this short sighted but populist notion comes back to bite you in the long run.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Any “buy American” provision only weakens our economy in the long run and leads to retaliatory gestures by other nations. Try reading United States history and you will see how this short sighted but populist notion comes back to bite you in the long run.


Jake Alexander
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Demint is typical of too many lunatic Republicans who choose to ignore, or cannot accept, the fact that a solid majority of free Americans choose to vote for a philosophy that is not the strange one he epitomizes.
His comment about votes that are “just power grabs” is pretty vile, and shows almost no respect at all for the democratic (small d) process. No doubt this guy fashions himself as a “real American.” He is anything but that.


jimpa
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

Reality check – “But I'm the decider, and I decide what's best…” President George W Bush, April 2006. These republicans didn't complain when Cheney sought and added more power to the Office of the President. Look I get it. Call President Obama a Socialist and compare him to Hilter. Someone should call these guys and girls to task for these comments. Ask these clowns some tough questions. Make them explain. Hold them accountable for their comments.


vwcat
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

What is it with rightwingers and WWII and Nazis? Everything they don't like they compare to Nazi Germany. It's so tiring. Espcially since most of them know nothing about it or that era.
DeMint is probably the biggest wingnut around the senate. Him and Inafoe are the most fringe crazies in those halls and how their states are not embarrassed by them is astounding.
The wingers hyperbolic and extreme rhetoric in regard to our president is just so stupid. I know they are into this eliminationist thinking – as in Neweirt's book on this subject but, you'd think lawmakers would try to be more responsible.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

The German Weimar Republic was a liberal democracy, and the Fascists were on the outside looking in, with a nutbar leader, a nationalist agenda featuring demonization of a semitic people and a bunch of thuggish hateful brown shirted dittoheads. So the villian in DeMint's little fantasy, if we may extend the metaphor, is actually the GOP waiting in the wings.


vwcat
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Jimpa, I so agree with this. This recklessness in public comments to whip up the base is irresponsible.
It's high time these rightwingers are held to account for their over the top rhetoric.
It's inciting hate and possible violence in the ignorant who support these reckless and immature wingers.
If media is to redeem themselves at all, it would be in trying to hold this rhetoric to account and I think we need to start making noise and demanding this of our media.


bill mann
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

where in the hell was Demint the last 10 years? Wasting precious resources on Clinton for ridiculous reasons, and then 8 years following, with no doubt the most half witted presidency, and flock of sheep congress (you) that took america to where it is right now. so mr De Mint, fess up and don't let us forget who dug the f…ing hole we are in. i for one hold you accountable to all your votes, and lack of leadership you have provided for the last decade. don't be a victim, and whine. you indeed are the cause of the current status of america. i will not forget, and neither my bretheren.


Yenots88
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Yes, Senator Jim, the Democrats started the forest fire near Myrtle Beach to force Governor Sanford to leave his mistress and fly back to SC. This was clearly a ploy to weaken the sexual freedom of the governor in particular and Republicans in general. Surely the future of sexual freedom in our democracy is in peril. Meanwhile, I suppose it is just days away that mobs of Democrats and Special Forces soldiers will begin rounding up right wing radicals and placing them in special camps. Sir, to compare the United States today to pre-WWII Nazi Germany is a slur against democracy and your country. You should be ashamed!

As for your statement that “when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change,” one has to wonder what planet you have been living on lately. In 2008 in these United States, the people got informed and voted for change, and the government changed. That's called democracy, Senator Jim. They repudiated, rather resoundingly the dishonesty, the lack of accountability, the un-necessary war in Iraq, the calamitous failure to stop 9-11, and the calamitous failure to regulate Wall Street and the big banks that has led to the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression, all of which happened on the Republican watch. If you think people want more of that, you're crazy. And, don't forget that, on top of the massive failure in governance under the Republican administration, eight precious years have been wasted during which time we could have begun mitigating greenhouse gas emissions so as to avoid the 1-2 meter rise in sea level that is projected for this century. Sir, do you any conception of what that's going to do to the low country coast of South Carolina, the state you're supposed to be representing?

Senator, please stop your defeatist whining and start doing something positive.


Hank
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

What a dumb@ss!


ritenow
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

“when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.”

We the people did that in November 2008! Thank you very much.


kingpatrick1975
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

Why we need to eliminate the Republican party once and for all. Idealess.


jmoo1961
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

I wish the Republicains would just have one serious conversation about the problems in the US. This Nazi talk is pure stupidity. It is becoming clear that republicains are bereft of any ideas (or worse just plain stupid ones). Their tatics seem to be aimed at thwarting anything the President wants.

It is time to throw out bipartisanship. We comprimised on the stimulus bill and all the Repubs achieved was watering down state aid (another mistake). Now they want to throw out Govt option in health care. Anyone who has dealt with the health insurers know that there model is built on rejecting coverage and papering both doctors and individuals to death (more costs). If they were doing a good job I would have no problem with no Govt plan. It is clear they are not and I would bet most people would want to switch just because of the poor service they provide.

It is time the Republican platform is called out for what it is a tax cut for the rich and corporations. It has clearly not worked and now after 5 months of Obama they want to throw it at his feet. We have had 8 years of Bush 5 trillion spent (6 if you include the defecit that was implied when Obama took the reins) and we have absolutly zero to show for it.

Dems its time to go it alone.


kevmo
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

“…when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.”

Seems to me that's exactly what happened last November.


jimpa
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

Alright. After work I'll email some noise. Media and my congressmen and woman. I'm in.


DELS
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

O.. yea we need to listen to the Iranians.
That sounds about right.! After all that’s the same Iranians
That held our people prisoner in our own embassy during their revolution.
……………………
It’s a pity that the republicans will rather listen to any one as long as its
Not our own president.
Wonder what happen to respect for the office??


cpklapper
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

Would that be like the Democrats ruined our country because they lost two Presidential elections to the GOP under George W. Bush? The hypocrisy of the Democratic Party and its minions is truly astounding!

Though I hate to admit it, but I think party hack DeMint is onto something here. It is just that in 1920's and 1930's term, the closer analogy is Mussolini, the former socialist who foresaw the power that could be gained by joining government, business and labor together. In slightly more recent terms, according to a late 1950's Cuban emigre that was bending the ear of everybody she could at a party I went to last summer, Obama had conducted a campaign nearly identical to Fidel Castro, who also promised an unidentified “change” you could have faith in.

Perhaps the personality cult of Obama invites comparisons to those of Hitler and Castro. Or perhaps there are similarities, of varying degrees of closeness, because all dictators and potential dictators, like the faces of evil, bear a dull and common sameness. Whatever the reason, the Hitler analogy resonates emotionally among Americans, as the Castro analogy does among Cuban emigres, thus becoming more popular even as they are more questionable and less prescriptive than the Mussolini analogy.


darkmark
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

ok after we have single payer health care and free quality education from preschool through post graduate college and take care of the environment so our children have a place to live, rather than the hell the repubs have in mind for us, and get rid of the banks to large to fail, then i still don't care what this corporatist, neo fascist, has to say.


charlessolomon
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

We, America, are approaching where Pre-Revolution France was in 1789. The elite rich, 5% of
the general population, owned and controlled 95% of Frances wealth……


dk7
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

Yes, Mr Demint you are right about one thing in your diatribe and that's “…when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.” This is the precise reason Republicans are are on the sideline. You and your party's lack of ability to govern is the reason you sit on this sideline. And until you can prove that you can govern effectively for people and not only businesses/cronies, then and only then will the mass allow you and your ilk a reprieve.


patisok
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

This man is certifiably crazy. Man he is a wack job.


boxjob
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

The man is obviously ignorant of history. As even Goering confessed, the rise of the National Socalists in Germany would not have been possible but for the hyperinflation of the 1920s. So in this respect the Republican Senator is correct and his party and their astonishing lack of respect for any appropriate financial regulation set the stage for what could well be a severe inflationary cycle in the US. Not that Obama cured, or even did anything to seriously address, the problem mind you. And this is the rotten core of the corruption. When the elements of corruption (Goldman Sach alumni running everything financial) continues without disruption across two administrations as vastly different as this therein lies the proble. Also don't forget the two trillion dollars they ripped us off for. If they believe they can make money from severe inflation those corrupt so and sos will do it. They have no social consciounce whatever and believe that they are personally imune to any consequences.


normathumb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

DeMint is one of the most hard core primitivists the crackpot coalition has ever coughed up, hairball like, upon the national stage. Repubs are big on insisting America need not take any lesson or advice from any other nation except when it supports their twisted view. Just a couple of months ago they would have gone into a tizzy should any Democrat speak well of an idea coming from any Iranian.


joe325
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:04 pm

Americans have been spoiled for a long time.

Things are not all that great now, so the average American is in a panic and is looking for the easy way out.

So they are looking to the Obama Govt. to do all the work so they can go back to their little easy life and not have to think about it.


majordomo
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

Pardon me, but would someone please inform the dimwit DeMint that Obama and the Democrats wouldn't have to resort to what he and his fellow repug.licans call socialism if they had been more responsible during the time they control both House and Senate under the guidance of Bu$h and Cheney.


scientist57
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:08 pm

It is particularly impressive to me that the Republicans seem unaware of their close political kinship with Nazi ideology–for example, their anti-immigration stance, their perpetual racism, their identification of Obama as a socialist, their militarism, their “appeal to compulsory morality” (In Wilhelm Reich's terminology). Rush Limbaugh is almost a prototypical propagandist for fascism. And of course anything which would benefit the broad masses of people is identified as being anti-business, “socialist,” even unpatriotic. Remember: patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. This is one of the purest cases of projection I have seen in a long time. Authoritarians pretending to defend freedom. I would point out that the War on Drugs is a classic fascist project, playing on public fears to build up a police state, actively diminishing freedom in the name of morality, religion, and what have you. The big problem for the Republicans is that in the internet era, their determined defense of corporate interests against the public interest comes across as wilful stupidity (such as in the case of global warming, in which various commentators distort evidence and lie to their ignorant audience about science itself.)


bobbygoode
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

The government was changed, dramatically, not by revolution but peacefully and legally – as DeMint advocates – in November of 2008. Evidently DeMint didn't like the results. We were in Germany DURING World War II from 2001-2009. Our citizens own were spied upon by our own government, the government was incredibly secret, people were being arrested and held without charges, elections were being stolen, the executive branch was given sweeping powers (“signing statements” became famous, thwarting the legislature), and it goes on. Thanks to Gov. Sanford, the spreading of the “blue” in the US electoral match may well reach South Carolina, at long last.


Laurel
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

I define myself as liberal, but I am also not blind to the fear that republicans have these days. I do not think that their fears are totally baseless, even if they struggle to define them. “big government'' is a problem to them, and i can see why; if the federal government has more control over the people, the people will be more disconnected from it. It necessitates an oligarchy, as only people with millions of dollars can run for office. I don't believe federal policies can solve our problems – No Child Left Behind anyone?

also, one thing we liberals must realize is that Obama is changing the face of the monetary system. the Federal Reserve is making a grab for power that our media completely glosses over. Remember how we passed that mortgage bill right before Bush left office, that gave the Treasury Secretary all the power to make ALL the decisions regarding national capitol? Remember how the newly powerful Treasury Secretary quickly gave all the money to BANKS instead? That's what we call manipulation. we are being tricked, fooled, bamboozled. The media plays along with this, making financial issues seem muddy and incomprehensible so we listen to whatever Geithner, our current Treasury Secretary, says. Who did Geithner last work for? the New York Federal Reserve.

READ ABOUT THE FEDERAL RESERVE. you will find that it is a scheme, an un-audited, private corporation; we aren't even allowed to know who owns it. They LOAN the US money, and in return we pay endless interest on it. But what we don't realize is THE U.S. CAN PRINT ITS OWN CURRENCY! Furthermore, THE INCOME TAX ONLY PAYS OFF THE INTEREST WE OWE THE FEDERAL RESERVE. It is not necessary! It's not even on the law books! The IRS is a fraud alongside the Federal Reserve. It is a SCHEME, a PLOT, and we are all being fooled. Power struggles between governments and money lenders have been occurring for centuries. Right now, we are in the throws of a money lender takeover. And Obama is the one that is letting it slide. He may be very liberal in other ways, but in this way, he is literally selling us to the banks…

RESEARCH THE FEDERAL RESERVE. Then you will truly understand the mess we are in today. You will be able to put a name to the fear that conservatives have.


Igor
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

Our government was changed in November 2008? Really? How? If you people still don't understand that there's only ONE party in this country–and that you and I aren't members–then I can't help you. NOTHING changed in November 2008 except the guy's name and the letter in front of his name. You can't be serious….


majii
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Senator DeMint,
Here's a quiz for you.
1. Which POTUS said(paraphrased), “I wouldn't mind if America was a dictatorship, as long as
I'm the dictator?”
2. Which POTUS, VP, and DOJ embraces and implemented the unitary executive theory of
government which resulted in the Patriot Act and other abuses of power?

Answer: the GWB Administration, with your blessing.

It's ironic that you decide now is the time to speak out about abuse of power when for the last 8 years, all we've heard from you on this subject is……………….crickets!


mypatch
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

You know he may have something here. I was speaking to a student not to long ago and he said that we should get rid of the constitution. He thinks it’s not worth the paper it’s written on. Claims this is what they are teaching in the schools these days. I may not live to see this happen and I hope I don’t but if the children of today have this attitude then we are in big trouble. And this has nothing to do with the Bush administration. Stop passing the buck to them. My Lord, why can’t we admit that we are the problem. They give us what we want instead of what we need. Obamha is doing the same thing. Nothing has changed. Same ole same ole.


Igor
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

Really? Again, all I see is a different guy in the White House with a different letter in front of his name–exactly which policies that directly affect you or me have been implemented? Obama has the U.S. Mint running overtime to destroy the U.S. dollar, just like every other president since Woodrow Wilson. There's nothing else going on–you people are literally crazy if you think that anything's being done for the American public, on any level. Your government is literally trying to kill you to save itself–it doesn't matter who's in office….


HB95
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

I agree with DeMint, Jeb Bush stated this am that Obama believes throughcollective action, through government you solve problems. In my opinion this also takes away freedmon of choice.


Igor
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

Of course. Unfortunately, 99.9% of the population insists on scrutinizing the letter in front of the politician's name–absolutely ridiculous. If you don't understand that the Democrats and Republicans in Washington are two sides of the same coin, then you're just lost. This partisan nonsense is just a trap that you all just seem to LOVE to walk into. Please, for the sake of this country, WAKE UP.


jeff
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

Fascism is a type of conservatism? Really? I thought Fascism was government control of large industry (e.g. automotive, banking, etc…). This feels pretty fascist to me and I am a real W hater.


jeff
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

Fascism is a type of conservatism? Really? I thought Fascism was government control of large industry (e.g. automotive, banking, etc…). This feels pretty fascist to me and I am a real W hater.


joetherealist
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

Where was Demint when Bush was systematically taking away our freedoms over the course of 8 years? We surely will not have a tyrant as President from the Democrats. You've been watching too much Glenn Beck, Demint.


joetherealist
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

Where was Demint when Bush was systematically taking away our freedoms over the course of 8 years? We surely will not have a tyrant as President from the Democrats. You've been watching too much Glenn Beck, Demint.


Chris
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

DeMint is right when he says that “when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.” That's what we did in the last election. We overthrew the tyrant Bush and his cronies. We've opted for more democracy and less totalitarianism.


RandyBastard
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Whatever happened to the rule that we don't bad-mouth our President when he's overseas? I remember Republicans screaming about that just a short time ago. They were positively apoplectic at the suggestion we should follow our own laws and such.

I guess that's just another one of those rules for everyone as long as 'everyone' means Democrat.

Where's Gomer Pyle when we need him? “For shame, for shame, for shame!”


scoobydubious
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:40 pm

The GOP is so concerned with re-branding the Democrats with every “bad name” in their book, because they don't have a CLUE what they themselves actually stand for…other than greed, bigotry and hypocrisy.

Unfortunately greed, bigotry and hypocrisy doesn't sell too well ….unless it's cloaked in fake patriotism, hysterical nationalism and FEAR. Fortunately, the majority of Americans have seen through the GOP charade already.


Baja
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

I absolutely agree that both parties are cut from the same cloth. I'm an Independent that leans to the left but am very skeptical of bigger government. I believe we need more oversight but not at the expense of creating a bigger government. The crazy spending by our country with no accountability is heading us in a direction of a catastrophic economic collapse within the next 10 years if we don't correct our consumer spending and borrowing policies.


charles61
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

When will Jim DeMint and other ignoramuses of his ilk learn the difference between socialists, which the Nazi government was not, and fascists, which the Nazi government was?


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

There are no similarities between post WWI Germany and where we are today! DeMint and the rest of the GOP peddling this borderline-treasonous nonsense are nothing more than a bunch of sore losers. I find it interesting how all of a sudden NOW we're in a fight for our lives against tyranny, socialism, and every other ism. Well GOP we've heard you – and I hate to break it to you – but Obama won this election fair and square (if you don't believe that you're delusional). So instead of bearing false witness against your neighbor (that's in the good book), why don't you make yourself useful and stop being the problem and start becoming part of the solution? If that's too much for you to do, then get out of the way!


HARK
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Wow – where was this guy from 2001-1009?


Lolly
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Its spelled DeMent(ed)


Lolly
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

Igor, You know you're in US right? This is Putin vs. Medvedev …
Get out of your pajamas and see the sunlight once in a while.


bennyfactor
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

let's just hope that we don't embrace the nasty racism that engulfed Germany in hatred and scapegoat-ism during that period


wash
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

The man is a bald face liar.
In Canada we have socialized medicine and no huge line ups and no death camps. In fact we have greater civil liberties than the U.S.


Anne_G
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:58 pm

From where I stand, I see more similarities between the GOP and the NSDAP of per-1940 Germany than between any other party:
1. Both parties used fear to glue people to them (fear of terrorism vs fear of communism);
2. Both parties were excluding groups of people;
3. Both parties were demonizing groups of people (non-Christians vs Jews);
4. Both parties used incidents to spin in their prefered direction (supposed WAMD in Iraq vs. the fire at the Reichstag-building)

GOP = NSDAP.

That makes DeMint something like Goebbels.


4midable
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Had the party of DeMint not laid the foundations for the current situation none of this would have happened. Is he suggesting we go back to the good old days of the past eight years? Or does he have a better idea. If he does, I'm all ears.


jayster999
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Laurel,

You are quite correct about the Fed. However, don't expect to wake anyone up to the crises that we are in, most people are quite content in their ignorance. Our people have been dumbed-down and conditioned to the point that they laugh and play even as they are robbed of their freedom. We are so entertainment driven and hedonistic that all we care about is keeping ourselves stimulated. Fascism (national socialism) is on its way in and the Constitution is on its way out. God help us all. Obama is not a savior, he is a destroyer.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

And another thing – When is the GOP going to stop embracing people like Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin – or the just down right average – as leadership in the party? That sort of thing might fly with 30% of the nation, but the other 70% isn't buying it.

Look – I understand that intellectuals can be intimidating to an average guy, but my God, the founding fathers were brilliant. If you don't believe me, just read what some of them did OUTSIDE of political life.

And if you want to know what the real threat is to our great nation, just watch Idiocracy (hint: the problem isn't socialism).

Hell – even Jeb Bush said that the world is a complex place, and there's nothing wrong with using 3-syllable words.


m8lsen
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

“The reason I’m convinced we can do this in a civilized way is that I’ve seen, on a number of issues, that when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.”
Indeed. That's what happened in 2008. All this catastrophizing about the response to the economic crisis caused by financial experimentation by the well to do and then powerful, and the response to the health crisis, is a gross exaggeration. And the parallels to Germany would show the Right as the out-of-power risk to our Democratic Republic.


Carbon
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Socialism is to National Socialism as clockwise is to counterclockwise.

The closest we ever got to Germany in the 1930's was during the Bush/Cheney Junta.

Conservative tears taste sooooo good.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

I think freaking republicans should stay the hell away from making any comments about freedom or security!!!! the have successfully f'ed up all that for the past 8 years and all they want is to get back in and continue doing it!!!! stay the hell away from us!!!!!!!! we don't want you sticking your d**ks in our lives anymore!!! stop it right now!! all they ever do is try to distract us!!! STOP!!!!


pazmundial
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

The Republican are a bunch of political JOKERS they use immigrants to their advantage, now we should listen to them, before lets fight them. If the Iranian is so concerned about the situation here, then why doesn't she go back. Don't they realize that Obama has had an indirect effect on Iranian politics.
I am sick and tired that the only thing the Party of NO have to offer is comparing this country, hence this current administration, with Nazi Germany, or any other communist nation. Pretty soon we will comparing us with Cuba. I have never seen more ignorant people than them, and they have the hutzpah to write books!!!


Garibaldi Fordicci
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

After the Bush regime and what they did to undermine our civil liberties in the name of “freedom”, this wingnut has the chutzpah to say we're like Germany was before WWII. Sweet Lord these polarzing wackos are obscene in their pandoring to their uber right constituents.
Yes, we're accumulating more debt. No doubt about that fact. But it is necessary because of where we've let the Republican majority takes us. Freakin' a-holes screw us up and then cry “socialists!” when someone dares try and repair the damage.


c_d
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:24 pm

Yes, I suppose when the deficit jumps by a paltry trillion or so, it is time to turn into Henny Penny and panic

So where were all the cries of dreck and death when the deficit ballooned from $2 trillion to $11 trillion between 2000 and 2008?


malsperanza
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

As best I can follow DeMint's goofy logic, he is saying that the US is currently in the same position as that evil, dangerous, communistic big-spending socialist Weimar Republic thing.

Thank goodness, the next government that came in in Germany chased out those dangerous socialists and had a better grasp of the concept of freedom. We too can follow Germany's model!

Yay.


Mahatma Coat
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

Wow! If he flops as an author, he's got a shot for the GOP presidential nomination in 2012. If not Faux News may be interested. Look out, Glen Beck.


John A. Crowely
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

The situation the U. S. is in now didn't happen suddenly on january 20th. It was a long time developing. Maybe the group more responsible is the party of NO (Republicans) who were the party of YES Sir. From 2000 to 2006 when they never said no the the Bush administraion. They let him get rid of many regulations that protected American citizens in many ways. This opened the door to allow many take chances in the financial world ansd in many ofther areas to jo just have the freedom to make tons of money with little regard to what might be ethical or moral and this affected millions of Americans and led to the financial crisis.

Now the people that allowed that to happen is blaming the President who hs been in office 5 months.


eichler1
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

I am so sick of these purveyors of ignorance. If he wanted to “save freedom,” where the hell was he during Bush II's regime, as it lied to, fomented fear among, and cowed the public into accepting all sorts of reductions in civil liberties and rights. What kind of freedom to these right-wingers want? Freedom of speech, association, movement? NO, they only want *economic* freedom. They only complain about “freedom” when a leader proposes, finally, to put some constraints on an out-of-control and largely failing market economy. Think about it.

PS Great comment, Scoobydubious!

Laurel: You confuse the role of government. It is to provide services to people, not control them. Spit out that RepubliWhig Kool-Aid. The public must demand that the government serve *the public* and settle for nothing less. Yes, the banking “crisis” was the biggest heist in human history, at $13 trillion and counting (thus the reference to the market economy's failure; $13 trillion is a lot of money to spend to prop up a system). A true travesty. But they bankers only got away with it because the public let them. Sure, the media glossed it over, but there are other sources of information on the Web now. We, the People need to take responsibility to get informed, then demand that our “leaders” serve us, rather than their corporate masters.


Walter Erbe
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

It were the conservatives that gave the might to Hitler and his National Democrats ( Nazis ), NOT the social democrats!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

Conservatism is all about the gov’t staying out of people’s lives? Like being against abortion and gay marriage? Sounds like being in my business to me. Then there’s the “law-and-order” bunch. They want to put as many people in jail as they can.
Remember Kent State? I’m pretty sure that was a republican governor behind that. Either way he was “law-and-order”. And those students that died, well the gov’t was pretty involved in their lives…and deaths.
Conservatives are also for privatization. Maybe we should start with the military. That needs to be corp-run, right? Halliburton already does half the job. We should contract the other half out to Blackwater. $75 K a year for a sargent? Nothing is too good for our troops!
Conservative Justices have overturned states laws concerning medical marijuana based on interstate commerce? How specious can you get? States rights? The only thing states have is the electoral college. Nothing else.
Conservatism. What a sad joke.


politiliedetector
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

DeMint is a Demwit same tactic scare the people into backing off the change necessary to move the country forward, these NOpers are scared that the people may find out that Government can work, when you elect people invested in it actually working instead of those who have built careers on the notion that it can never work, listen DemWit you are basically saying it will never work as lone as me and mines are in office, think about it what other job could get where your resume's objective line says the equivalent of “To obtain a position whereby I a clearly demonstrate that this institution is critically flawed beyond repair and lobby the idea to your customers, that they should not expect recieve any ligitimate service or product from this institution”

Grow up people, and think for yourselves for once! Geez


14theroad
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

DeMint says “that when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.”

Someone should tell him to wake up and smell the coffee–we just did that–it's called a Presidential election.

The Republican's can't quite believed they have been turned out of office. They are acting as if it's all a bad dream that is certain to dissolve if they just keep hammering away as they have.

The important thing is not to let up and to expose them to the ridicule they so richly deserve and to crush their bogus arguments whenever they raise that toxic and fraudulent rhetoric of Orwellian doublespeak.


lizinCAL
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

They are nuts! Do they really believer this nonsense? Bush tore up the Constitution but that was okay because he was one of them.

Yes, inform folks with lies, which hopefully most Americans will see through.


BerTw
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

Yup, people are easy to manipulate. Not as easy as Congress, but definitely subject to stampede.
The commies are coming! The commies are coming!!


wayouthere
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

The people want change. They want change away from the likes of Jim Demint and a government that functions on the basis of institutionalized bribery. They want leadership that can't be bought by lobbyists. Jim Demint is part of the problem. Rather that deal with the crises in this country, he'd rather continually harp on “freedom” and “liberty”. Look over your shoulder Demint and see what damage your store-bought legislatures have done to the country.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:42 pm

The failure is not that of the checks and balances, but of those manning the controls. George Washington was right in his second inaugural address to point out that the biggest threat to our freedoms and this democracy is the rise of political parties. This has never been truer than today.

Steve McCornack 605 N High St #309 Columbus OH 43215   michigan.wolverine@yahoo.com steve@stevemccornack.com (937) 277-4407 home (800) 507-3692 fax (937) 750-5712 cell   (937) 344-8960 cell


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

Buy guns and ammo and food and prepare to party in the streets


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

when we went into this war, Bush said nothing of the iraqi peple, and what he expected to accomplish with force, other than WMD’s!!! now several years in we have allowed ourselves to think it was for another reason, or another reason or yet another reason. what if another nation tells us we don’t need democracy, & we DEF HAVE WMD’s!! im all for national security, but lets be real, Iraq is no better off today, than it was 5 years ago


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Republicans have no shame when the outcome of slanderous campaigns have returned them to power. DeMint is an ass, first Obama was a Socialist, today a NAZI, next week ???a Martian.

RHansen/NYC


Anonymous
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:59 pm

some ideas for names of new politcal parties in our New World Social Democracy government: Chiquapin Party (references ACORN also parodys Chinese slang)
Paper WASPs (GOP mind-phlock & beaurocracy)
SPCPCC (lobbys for Congressional support for the prevention of cruelty & inconvenience to people of color as well as communist party members from China) parodys the SPCA abbriviation
…these are just a few, but “Change is Gonna Come!” everybody, won’t this be fun.


redman69
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

you must be blind to whats going on around you. everyone complained about the job bush was doing including myself, but if you cant see that we arent getting any better and even worse on the economic front then you are in denial.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Um…pretty sure that the United States forced the Weimar Republic on Germany as part of the Treaty of Versailles.

I wonder if Sen. DeMint is on the conspiracist bandwagon saying that Obama is the reincarnation of Hitler too…. I'm more than a bit appalled at his implied comparison of the U.S. to Iran and Venezuela. It's also quite apparent that the good Sen. has little understanding of the political dynamic in Iran.

At least he's not openly advocating for revolution. After all, the American Revolution is really the only example in recent history of a revolution working out well…even in “Western” countries.


redman69
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

why is everything always republican and democrate. What happen to one nation under God, that continues to be the problem we just cant come together and until that happens we will continue to have these problems no matter who is in office.


Phil
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Social democracy? Sweden is a social democracy, Germany is NOW a social democracy. Germany WAS a National Socialistic dictatorship—and socialistic only in name. In fact, the Hitler regime was quite famously pro-business. This man is either intentionally skewing the facts (i.e., LYING) or he's very confused.


Jilli
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

We can complain about what an ignoramus Demint is, but what's really scary is that there's idiots out that that believe his hooey!


Congaree
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

Question from a South Carolina resident: Will the madness never end? First Sanford and his moronic escapades… then we have Lindsey Graham (of all people) spouting off about how he STRONGLY beleives in “Don't Ask Don't Tell”. Now we have DeMint trying to sell his special brand of “Upstate Crazy”. I guess we really do get the gubmint we deserve…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:06 am

Thank you!


CA teacher
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

This is ridiculous. While it's important to question our government, as the immigrant in this article urges us to do, it is ridiculous to compare Obama to Hitler! I don't think most of us believe Obama has it in his mind to become a dictator, nor to act against the Constitution. In fact, I felt that the Bush legacy was very close to a dictatorship! There were elections with questionable voting scandals, and yet he still managed to win. The President is supposed to get the consent of Congress before starting a war, yet he still managed to get his way and start a war. I can't believe he was not impeached!


drknd
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

He's right when he says “..when people get informed and want to change the government, the government will change.” That's exactly what happened in the election. These guys just don't like losing. They are sore losers, and thus cautionary tales for our children. They spin everything that doesn't go their way in the worst possible way. It isn't freedom on the line. It's the future of all of us on the line. His party and leaders have done everything they can to poison the electorate and polarize the nation. They broke us, but we're trying to bounce back (without their help, of course.) It's easy to tear down, harder to care enough to roll up your sleeves and work. If Jim Demint wants to save freedom, he should devote his energies to working positively to find common ground in congress that meets the needs of our nation, broken by his crew when they had their shot. Because right now, he and his lying ilk are an embarrassment to good Republicans (there are still some of us left) everywhere.


John
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

“…when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.” – that happened last November…


redman69
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

I bet you were one of the people calling for action after 911. Now that you have had time to forget you think that what we did to protect this country is wrong. Ive heard every democrate bash bush for what actions he took, but there hasnt been another terror attack on the country since, thou there has been in other countries, why is that. Tell me what you think. Protection isnt always a pretty thing. Obama wants to give every right of the american people to terrorist who dont believe or follow our laws.


kennethbenton
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:10 pm

Socialism is when the government OWNS the factors of production. So let me get this straight: Rove, Cheney and Bush along with the new age robber barrons raped, robbed and pillaged and left the economy in the tank. GM and Chrysler file for bankruptcy and corporate Amerika runs to China to produce all goods and its Obama's fault?

Racist b/s.


redman69
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

It seems like everyone on here likes to bash bush and maybe for good reason, however the democrates where in control of the house most of the time, so you tell me how bush is solely responsible. The thing that gets me is that all of the polaticians are in it for themselves and will switch sides at a drop of a hat when they see trouble coming. We need to restore honor in our system.


sekigahara
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Oh, so Hitler got elected and Germany suddenly went all Socialist? Actually, it went all Fascist and Authoritarian. Race laws and preemptive war. Revisionist history on how Germany didn't really lose WWI – they were stabbed in the back at Versailles. The rise of German Nationalism. Rallying under the banners of Family and Country before everything. Sound familiar? If anything, though the actual parallels are few, this is a period of Reconstruction from all the damage wrought, certainly over the past 8 years, but also over damage wrought over many years by short-sighted policy and greed.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:16 am

How does the family of a fallen Nazi soldier feel? How does the fallen of an Iraqi family feel? How does the fallen of a Red Army family feel? it all hurts.

The point is, why send these young people off to wars and have them sacrifice their lives for nothing? My heart bleeds for all these families, but if my son were to give his life in an unecessary war declared by big fat politicians, my anger would be placed at the doorstep of the people who are responsible for his death.

That would be George Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice. NOT ONE of these people have served their country in the military.

I am sorry for your loss, Captain, but I would have shot my son in the leg before i would let him go and sacrifice his life for nothing. That’s the tragedy of war. Useless war.


Dan
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:16 pm

This from the party that has tried for at least the past thirty years to destroy the first amendment protection against the establishment of religion by demanding the ten commandments be placed on every government building, that prayer be said in schools, and that the teaching of “creation” replace the teaching of science?

This from the party that pushed through the fourth amendment-shredding Patriot Act, which has been abused in uncounted ways, but including to spy on Americans (including the very soldiers supposedly serving to protect these rights overseas) via email and phone?

This from the party that– without any hint of armed rebellion or insurrection which are the only Constitutionally mandated circumstances in which the right can be temporarily revoked– flushed Americans' rights of habeas corpus down the toilet because they're more afraid of dying in the streets with their guns in their hands fighting enemies with guns in theirs than they are of trashing the most important right of all in a free society– the right to defend oneself against one's accusers, have an attorney present, and appear before a judge and prosecutor who must show just cause for their arrest?

Freedom is slavery. War is peace. Black is white. Right is wrong. Up is down. Hot is cold. Orwell was dead right. Big Brother is here.

Paid for by the Re-Publican and Pharisee Party. (the Publicans and Pharisees were Jesus's favorite “hypocrites” in the New Testament for those of you who aren't Bible scholars)


quidquintessa
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:17 am

“Go back to school”, that’s witty, dude. The problem of right-left politics is not easily translated to the Middle East in general or the Islamic revolution in Iran in particular. On social issues, obviously the clerical regime is far to the right to say the least. But in terms of economic and other policy, the revolution was initially and continued to be inspired by the leftist and liberation movements of the era from which it sprang.

By using a term like “ultra-right wing”, there is a comparison to be made between the large numbers of Iranian elite to fled to America in 1979 and afterward – largely exiled because of their truly shameless posture towards their countrymen for the prior decades – and other instances like Cuba and other places where similar abuses took place.

As for “nutty”, yes indeed, nutty. We have unfortunately been deeply misled by exiled Iranians and so-called Iran experts in this country who consistently have failed to predict or explain real events in the country. This is as true today as it was in 1978. This is not in any way to voice support for the clerical regime or to speak out against the monarchy or any other matters related to Iranian politics. It must simply be said however that American interests have not been served by these exiles; true in the case of Iran as it has been in Cuba.

Oh, and a remaining issue is the extent to which these two groups are well reflected in Republican domestic policy as it has devolved over the last three decades, regret to say, in which money in our economy is increasingly squeezed to the very top.

Try to be a bit kinder, it won’t hurt you, and I will be happy to engage in some kind of dialogue with you.


john dille
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:17 pm

THIS SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT… GERMANY BEFORE AND DURING WORLD WAR 2 WAS DOMINATED BY THE NAZIS. AMERICA TODAY IS STILL DOMINATED BY CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS. THE ONLY REAL DIFFERENCE WAS THAT NAZIS WERE BRAZEN THUGS. REPUBLICANS AND OTHER CONSERVATIVES ARE MORE COWARDLY AND COVERT.. THEY USE THEIR ECONOMIC, SOCIAL, AND POLITICAL CLOUT TO DESTROY THOSE WHO OPPOSE THEM. NAZIS COMMITTED MURDER AND PUT PEOPLE INTO CONCENTRATION CAMPS EN MASSE… REPUBLICANS USE CHARACTER ASSASSINATION AND TWIST THE TRUTH, AND TOTALLY IGNORE THOSE LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE WHOM THEY HAVE CONTEMPT FOR, WHICH INCLUDES MOST BLACK AND LOW INCOME WORKING PEOPLE.


nitpickinghistorian
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Technically, the Weimar Republic came into existence after Wilhelm II abdicated right before the armistice so it was the functioning government that was forced into signing the treaty, which is what gave the Nazis fodder for their movement that the government had betrayed the people.


cam
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

anyone who knows anything about ww2 and the nazis knows that they were vehemently against socialism and communism. thats exactly why germany fought russia… because the nazis hated socialism and wanted to get rid of it…. like they wanted to rid the world of jews.


Jeff
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

Either DeMint is way too uninformed to be in the United States Senate, or he is way too dishonest to be in the United States Senate. Where Germany was before WWII–oh please!

Unless this is the most dishonest man in America, which I doubt given the competition he is up against in the Republican Party, there is no way he wrote a book. Who is the ghost writer?


the professor
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:19 pm

Why wasn't DeMint concerned when Bush implemented SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH, trampled on our Constitution at every turn, constantly went against the wishes of the American people, lied about the Iraq threat to increase his own power, burned through Clinton's trillion-plus surplus to finance tax cuts for the rich and his 2 trillion dollar war, and ruined our reputation as a beacon for freedom and equality? Where was his concern for tyranny then? If he hates America so much, he should move to Iran or North Korea. That way, he can see what it's REALLY like to live under tyranny and total government control, rather than merely use such notions for his own political posturing. What a disgusting excuse for an American.


nitpickinghistorian
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

As Hitler once said, the great masses of the people will fall victim more easily to a big lie than a small one.


Conservative
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

In reading the posts in response to this article, I have never heard so many idots in one place… I suspect most of the folks making posts are probably on wellfare, and didn't finish 5th grade… You think big government is the answer?? “Somebody please take care of me, I dont want to work.. just give me hand outs… give me health care… the rich people can pay for it… hey, socialism is great till the “other guy” runs out of money… Thats what the dems don't get… Hey with a little luck maybe the rest of the country will end up like California (woo-hoo!)… get a job you clowns, go back to school and get an education as well before you open your mouth. If you don't think hyper inflation is around the corner in the coming years, then you are nutz…


dean1964
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

Wake up people. Yes the Republicans screwed up big time. The Democrats are doing the same. All of you sheep have bought into the lie that our country can't exist without THOSE TWO PARTIES. BOTH the Dems and the Republians are raping the country and instead of asking HARD questions you take sides. Neither the DEMS or the REPUBLICANS care about US. They care only about continuing to hold power. WAKE UP YOU STUPID SHEEP!!!


samsam87
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

Um where were you nine months ago when people got informed and wanted to change their government…because I'm pretty sure we did it. Freedom is better off now that Obama is in the White House instead of you wanna be dictator Republicans. You knuckleheads talk about how you want government out of people's lives but want to make amendments to the constitution to tell people what to do with their own bodies, or whom they can and cannot marry! You make me sick!


NewsCorpse
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Classic DeMint: “…when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.”

You mean like last November? We changed your ass right out of power.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:23 am

Not exactly. What happened was Reagan came into office and gave the rich a tax break. Not the little guys. THE RICH. And people like you fell in love!
Then W came into office and he turned over the government surplus and gave THE RICH another tax break. And people like you were just thrilled.

So where did it get you pal? Still whining about taxes? Grow a pair and stop voting for people who do not have your interests at heart. It is voters like you who let this happen.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

Thanks john Dille you have explained the democrats to the T. What a mixed up place the usa has become. Pelosi looks brain dead and they still vote her in. They now vote in a comedian Frankin, what a joke the usa really has become. Seems the democrats and the republicans are one and the same.


johnhkennedy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

ldfreitas is right.

“Under Bush/Cheney we did what Germany did in Sept. 1939 in attacking Poland: attacked a country, Iraq, that was no threat to us!” Hitler did it for resources and land.

Our illegal invasion of Iraq was justified by the Bush WMD Lies (later reinforced by torture)
and was very Nazi like in execution, Except Bush-Cheney Did It For OIL alone.

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samsam87
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

That's really funny considering that the majority of conservatives have yet to graduate high school, while liberals count highly educated intellectuals amoung their ranks.


zenbuck
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Freedom to starve Comrad, freedom to starve ;-)


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wblack3
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

seriously?!?!?!? as someone who lived for a while in communist russia, who saw the daily bread lines (even if i didn't have to stand in them myself, and who has plenty of iranian friends, this is ridiculous!


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Are you for real? It takes the worst Congress in the History of this Countyr to get us where we are. The last 2 years of the Bush Administration are where things started going south.What we have now, incase you haven't noticed is a complete power grab by Obama and his more than willing allies in Congress. Government will control every thing by the end of 2009, if they can get away with it. They control the Banks, Mortgages, Automobile Industry and soon Health Care. Obama has appointed a Czar for everything. If that doesn't scare you, I don't know what will. You aren't a real republican!


vanessa1990
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

Wow, pretty “armtwisting” and “upsidedowny” theory. I thought we just left tyrans behind and finally got a breath of air and a loads of common sense. I only worry howmany bitter DeMints are out there.


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

How idiots like this manage to get elected is shocking. Pure hateful ideology. We are NOWHERE near Nazi Germnany before WWII. This man needs a serious history lesson. Just another voice from South Crazy-lina!


samsam87
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

Your precious Reagan was a mere movie star, and your Schwarzeneggar was too… Perhaps if you had a better candidate or a better platform to stand on people would consider voting for your guys. As it stands currently, your party is a mess, not to mention stuck in the 1950s. We are moving into a new century with or without your help!!!


normanx
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

Yes, Mr. DeMint, you are right… and your Republican party are the Nazi's trying to subvert democracy to create a totalitarian society that will hand all power and rights to the coporations, creating a massive fascist state. You came close with the Bush cabal…. so close you could taste it.

Now you have to retrench and figure out a way to defy logic and common sense to get back into power. However, I don't doubt your abilities, as you were able to get the truly awful George W. Bush elected. I imagine when your party comes back, you will have a more sensible candidate who is not a total idiot. You are truly dangerous.

Why the Republican's hate America and American's is beyond me.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

I would like to make a comment to the canadian who says canada has no lines in health care. cleveland ohio is the knee capital replacement for canadians, many drugs what people need cant be had in canada. Canadians flock to the USA for MRI's and other medical tests. How I know this is because I worked in a Hospital in the US. Maybe your fellow canadians are just to shy to state this.


Chris
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

Just curious – do you have a link to a study that says this? I've been curious to see an objective study that shows a correlation between education level and political ideology.


gammadog
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

Yes, there is a resemblance to Nazi Germany. A trampling of individual rights guaranteed by the Constitution with the Patriot Act, protecting the pensions and incomes of our economic watchdogs by bailing out Goldman-Sachs and AIG – odd that no one from the previous administration were willing to bail out rival Lehman Bros. Odd, using fear to take away individual rights and increase coporate welfare does indeed resemble the tactics of the Nazis. Only Mr. DeMint is pointing the finger at the wrong side of the political spectrum.


murican
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

DeMint is confused.,”[W]e're about where Germany was before World War II where they became [Nazis]” applies to the United States from 2001 through 2008. That time has been completed. Those people have been voted out of office. New people are in office trying to deal with the pile of destruction that the prior administration and its congresspeople left for the country.


rpat
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

Sadly enough, the Germans didn't believe it either till Hitler declared himself Chancellor and led the nation to disaster. Then it was too late.


dean1964
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

All of you sheep talking about “us” and “them.” The people IN POWER don't give a D@MN about ANY of you. I find it laughable that you are all sitting here defending “your side” position pretending that your opinion matters. Yes I called you SHEEP. You are sheep because you support your “political party” like it's your religion! Democrats- explain to me how the Honorable Sen. Kennedy can have a woman DROWN IN HIS CAR and him not calling the police for 8 HOURS an still be in office. REPUBLICANS- Iraq war… Don't you sheep see? THE PEOPLE AT THE WHEEL in BOTH parties are DESTROYING the country while you fight over scraps . Wake UP


ayatollah
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

Hold on there samsam87, don't assume a formal education always make you smarter. This country was founded and built by a lot of people who lacked a formal or extensive education. I'm a lawyer who daily comes in contact with people with fancy degrees but lack a great deal of common sense, and even worse, personal conviction. Some of the people I've come to admire the most are simple folks who know what is right and wrong, and aren't afraid to say it and to stand by those beliefs. I'm tired of these intellectuals who stand for nothing but their own best interests.


mohammadsaizad
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

Give me” fair trade or give me death”.We have the most compassionate yet the most politically stupid population in the world.The REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ALIKE have their hands in the same cookie jar.Another words they are all partners in crime.more than ever American population needs education on trade.All the wonderful consumer goods that we enjoy today(Cheap junk made in china or India) were patented and paid for the research and development by American taxpayers.The American middle class has been destroyed thanks to greedy bastards who thought Chinese and Indian families were stupid enough to have four or fine loans each so these greedy bastard corporations could fuck them the way they did in the American consumers.These third world families are not stupid and ignorant as we are.They save a large portion of every dollar they make to loan back to us to buy more junk made in their countries.I think you get the picture.Another ten years the Chinese will shit and our kids will have to wipe their asses.


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

I guess you missed it He had Congress approval, UN approval and 27 countries sent troops in along with the US troops. Did you miss that part. Now I suppose you think he fabricated everything to paint the picture as to why we went in. Saddam violated all UN restrictions and we knew he had WMD's because we sold them to him to fight the Russians. I know War is a horible thing and I wish we never went in, but we did, so finish the job right. Also, John Kerry was the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee. Yes, even He and Hilary Clinton voted yes to War. Look it up on You Tube. I am sick of Bush being blamed for everything as people like you parrott what ABC, NBC, CBS and all of the others have been painting a picture of Bush being a dictator for years. Obama has usurped more of your personal freedoms in 7 month than Bush did in 8 years! Wake up! It is time to move on and protect our personal Freedoms in this Country. You can feel 'Good' about Obama all you want, but I don't want to watch as this Country becomes another European Socialist Country. The funny thing is they have seen the light and are moving away from the Socialist model. Look it up!


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

You conservatives are better suited ot reading the Bible and complaining! When you realize that gaovernment is “Of the people, by the people and for the people” maybe you'll understand what we are trying to do. People like you just want government for the corporation without regulation. That's why we're in this mess. Greedy little conservatives who feel they are entitled to everything without paying for it. Schools, Roads, Police, Infrastructure. You're ok with socialism for the rich, but give the down trodden a break and you all get so superior. Reagan us gone…those days are over and look what 3 decades of conservatism brought us.


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harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

HAHA how can someone trust the government to run and take over corporations. For gods sake they made the postal service almost bankrupt. The usa has the second highest corporate tax in the world, maybe thats why companies move over seas..Any new technology made in the usa is sent over seas and its built their instead of the usa. Actually you americans need to fire all your politicians. The europeans are even telling the usa to stop spending what you dont have and stop being how we are. The last 15 years the europeans have adopted more to the us systems of business and such and now the us is adopting the failed old ways europe did things.


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:42 pm

You need to take a look at history. Your ignorance is amazing. But then you're from Kansas, aren't you?


Drumbum
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

“The reason I’m convinced we can do this in a civilized way is that I’ve seen, on a number of issues, that when people get informed and want to change their government, the government will change.”

True, and this happened in the last two elections. But the right thinks that somehow that does not count. The votes don't matter, the polls don't matter, all that matters is how many people Rush Limbaugh claims that listen to him.


Alex
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

He did not declare himself chancellor he was elected. THAT is what ppl. must realise: democracies cam abolish themselves.


gammadog
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Same can be said for you! Think we don't have national health already? Why do think medical costs are so high here compared to every other industrialized nation? The most ignored reason is because the bills racked up by the uninsured are passed along to us who are insured.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

For those who say Demint is being hateful, then you are obviously showing your ignorance of history, which I might add is typical of liberal democrats, for instead of studying and learning history you are always attempting to revise history. It has taken Obama some six months to do what Hitler managed in about nine years. You need to open your eyes, you need to seriously take a little while and read what Hitler did, for it is being repeated right in front of your eyes. For the poster who stated that the invasion of Iraq was the equivalent of the 1939 invasin of Poland- you are truly an idiot. The main reason we were in Iraq was to bracket Irann with two emerging democracies- now the Iranians kow this which is why they have been attacking us in Iraq, oh and btw, they have been killing Americans since 1979 and declared was on us in 1979. The Iranians protesting in the streets are doing that because they want a democracy. They have seen what can happen in an open democracy-such as to their East and West, but as is usually the case our Dictator doesn't have the stones to do anything meaningful to helo them. We have an opportunity to help transform that region for the good of ALL HUMANITY. Sadly, you will never understand. One more thing, if all you liberlas formed a nation, and we conservatives formed a nation, you wouldn't last five years and in fact within three years you'd be asking our conservative military to move in an restore a democracy for you. I hope you will sincerely read history, what Hitler and Mussilini, did to their people, and then analyze Chavez, Bolero, and Obama…maybe you'll figure it out before he takes away all your freedoms.


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

We Republicans don't hate America as much as you do! If you look closely, Nazism is based on Socialism not freedom. We want a smaller Government, which is the last thing Obama wants.
The comparison being made is the landscape in Germany that allowed someone like Hitler to rise to power. Right now, the Government is painting the Bad Guy in America as Big Business. Everyone is now against competitive markets and capitalism. Who needs to make a profit, Right?
What is going to happen to everyone's miserable 401k? That's OK , Obama will fix it. Give me a break. It will now take ten years to fix this mess of 'Hope and Change'.


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

You are Right on! Congress will bury us so far, we may never recover!


KM
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

I suppose the corollary is something like becoming more dependent on corporations and banks, because they represent freedom? Gummint don't work, here we'll prove it.

I seem to remember that Germany before WWII was constrained by law from amassing armaments, that their economy was hyper-inflationary and the society was being torn apart by anti-semitism and something called NATIONAL socialism, emphasis on the “national”. Now tell me, how is this just like the US?

The US still has a way to go on racism, but we are in no way comparable to Nazi Germany. If I had to compare a period in US history that resembled totalitarianism I would have to point my finger at junior and uncle fester and their neo-con cabal and the wholly unjustifiable wars of choice on junior's watch, the ministry of fatherland security, Guantanamo and Abu Grhaib, and rendition…I could go on and on, but why bother? All this site can see is…ooooeeeeoooo…Socialism…as if it never existed in this great land of ours.


rmacdonald
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:49 pm

Sen. DeMint is yet another Reaganite wanting to reclaim Gilded Age privilege for the monied. The Reagan/Bush presidencies with their rewards to the greedy and their redistribution of wealth – t o t h e w e a l t h y – is the root cause of our current situation.

The Republicans are the party of: big lie politics; character assassination; enemies lists; illegal wars; sanctimonious finger pointing; and dirty tricks. Consider the source before you believe anything.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Joshua,may I commend you on your apparent knowlege of Gov’t systems.I’ve heard the misappropriated term”Fascist” being used to discribe a particular party(usually Republican) detractors didn’t like! The type of Gov’t a nation has,is based, in fact,by who owns the tools of production. In a fascist gov’t,the people still own their business,but the Gov’t controls it(partnership is nothing more than “newspeak”(1984) for control). You are obviously not a 100% product of our “public”(read socialist) school system. Independent research,perhaps? In either case, my highest regards,& kudos!


leightonk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

I am reading the book “Liberal Fascism”. I am a decent history student, but learning more. Our progressives in this country in the early 1900's almost worshiped Mussolini. Many thought Hitler was good for Germany in the beginning. They later disliked them and now spun their activities as right-wing, but these progressives (and present day liberal Democrats) most closely fit a general definition of fascist (there is no completely accepted difinition). Woodrow Wilson's administration attacked certain denominations (as did Mussolini, Hitler and Lenin). Obama is trying the same (i.e we are not a Christian nation). If you can make the state a religion, now you can control everything (Obama is a smiley-faced fascist). Those with great charisma and feel they know what is best for everyone (large government w/near total control) are the most dangerous. FDR interned the Japanese plus many American citizens of German descent & sent agents to Mexico to abduct German citizens. During WWI under Wilson, sedition laws were horrendous. You might say one thing wrong and get thrown in prison. Progressives in the U.S. (Rockefellers & others) gave money to Germany for eugenics. PLEASE STUDY THE HIDDEN HISTORY NOT IN EVERDAY BOOKS. Todays liberal democrats are modern day descendants of these PROGRESSIVES (liberal fascists).


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

1. He and Cheney lied to congress.
2. Colin Powell lied to the UN.
3. The 27 countries included some of the least known on the face of the planet.
4. Saddam Hussein was contained by trade restriction and no fly zones. He had no control of the Northern Kurdish part of his country and had no WMD's
5. We supported him in fight against Iran, not Russia.
6. Everyone voted for the war because WE WERE LIED TO!
7. Bush deserves the blame…look what he caused to happen….look at the lives lost.
8. Please list those ursurped freedoms (please include the Patriot Act, the spying, the end of Habeus Corpus, if you have a clue what that is!)
9. Please, please don't make me a socialist country! I don't want health care! I don't want the highest standard of living in the world! I don't want a long life sxpectancy and low infant death mortality! I don't want a good and free education and I certainly don't want 4 weeks of paid vacation a year! I want to live in Kansas and work till I drop over dead.
YOU look it up and post here with some kind of intelligence, please!


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:51 pm

Outside of a very unpopular War, what Destruction? I see the evolution of a market out of whack trying to correct itself. It could do that if the Government would stay out of it. Fannie and Freddie are the root cause of this in the 1st place. let's make sure Barney Frank and Chris Dodd aren't re-elected!


DrEisenbart
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

Germany became a National Socialist country before WWII, hence the name Nazi. DeMint, what a dumb ass. And this is what we have as leaders in the GOP.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Actually the reason chinese and other countries save money is because they dont have a social network like western countries. As soon as they grow more prosperous the people will demand it. what I always wondered while living in the usa was how come i had neighbors who didnt work and had $40,000.00 trucks. I would go to work and come home and they would still be sitting on their porch drinking beer. If thats what democrats call freedom i think it sucks. They rather tax the working people to support the lazy bums. I guess it takes a person who had never lived their to notice this, which i did notice alot.


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Couldn't have said it better! I know, we are all racists!


desertvoice
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

Sorry to say it, but Sen. DeMint has it all wrong. I do not oppose listening to all opinions. But the Iranian's opinion happens to be dead wrong! I have more experience that she does. I was born under Hitler's rule, educated under Stalin's rule, imprisoned under the dictatorsips in Latin and Central America, and spent 30 years observing the U.S. from within! What that anonymous “Iranian immigrant” is pushing, is the most vile agenda of those who, once rescued from misery, cut the rope so others can be rescued! I have seen a lot of this in the world! There are Mexicans who speak ill of their brothers wanting to come to the States. There are also Cubans in Miami who keep Cuba isolated. And there are Iranians and Pakistanis always mouthing bad things against poor immigrants who came after them! This anonymous Iranian, insidiously, blames the poor for being poor, and branding every effort to help the poor, socialism! There may be historical similarities between Germany of the thirties and the current U.S. situation, but God forbide that we listen to those who blame the poor for trying to survive! Rather, we should blame the crooked rich for a change! They are responsible for the economic crisis which is strangling the poor!


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

That is your opinion! I believe the same about you!


enablingact
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Finally, someone who has a voice in the process is saying what I saw four months ago.
All Congress needs now is something akin to the _Enabling Act_ of the mid 1930s in Germany.
They can then temporarily suspend the rule of the Constitution because of the size of the crisis. Given the amount of control The Party has over three of the four branches (incl the Media), that seems well within the realm of possibility.
Remember, Never let a serious crisis go to waste. Rahm Emmanuel


Alex
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 7:59 pm

Technically everything before 1939 is before WWII.

The term 'social democray' probably refers to the Weimar Republic.


rmacdonald
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

Hitler was not elected, he was appointed by President Hindenburg. The NASDAP never had a plurality in the Bundestag or in a national election to the chancellorship.

The Nazis gained power through intimidation, disinformation, smear campaigns, and lying political ads.

All while campaigning on family values, motherhood, and national pride. – Now, whom does that remind you of?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:02 am

@tbrnotb, amen brother….lobby reform is needed NOW. Since 1973 the group of concerned oligarchs among the world have pursued financial control in America, [sic] Trlateral Commission, 325 members aligned to control world finances, the first US President member, Jimmy Carter, and all US Presidents heretofore. Lobby money is corroborated via those same people thru their respective corporate Directorships, (see Peter D. Sutherland, sic) THe lobby contributon and access reform is the place to start. As the well-oiled members of Congress today are weeded out, we will be better able to establish better reform laws and Acts which should not be removed….we must first VOTE out the long standing Congress people, absolute change, without repsect to their “said” affiliations they have all chosen to keep the millions they are given by each lobby group every year. O’Bama received $32 million from finance lobby group alone, 2005-2008. Hilary Cliton received $26 million from finance lobby group alone, between 2005-2008…those figures do not include the additional funds they et al received from insurnace lobby group, pharma lobby, tobacco lobby, etc.etc. These folks will not be expected to leave quietly, and will not sit still. So WE must prepare for the repercussion once the “Right Changes” begin to take hold. Prepare for the worst. Plan for the best outcome. Expect to work hard and efficiently to overcome this adversity.


helmboy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:03 pm

What a tool. Everytime someone adds Germany or Hitler to their commentary, they lose. I hope this fool gets voted out. Soon.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

I had a mexican family as friends while in the usa, i asked them if they are republican or democrat. The father stated we are more in line with republican party politics, but the son said we vote democratic because they give us the free cheese. I didnt understand this but later i found out the government gave free cheese to poor people.So it boils down vote for who will give you free stuff at least thats how i understood it. oh by the way they were not poor.


stills
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

The Senator stated Germany became a socialist country before WWII. Now who is the dumb ass?


helmboy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

What a crock of crap. Fascists aren't progressive, they are right wing, like the pugs. Read real history, not the crap you pull out of your behind.


rmacdonald
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:06 pm

How can Republicans say they love America when it's obvious they despise Americans. The GOP has fed on the body politic all these years and now when people awake and say enough, the GOP has the audacity to paint those that fight for the people that do the work, that fight the battles, that pay the taxes as socialist.

SOCIAL JUSTICE IS NOT SOCIALISM.


keithbrooks
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

What wasn't said on this report was that the Nazi's used harassing techniques. They used people to do their bidding, such as brown shirts and the youth. This is becoming very apparant in America. The press, hollywood performers, musicians and college students are falling into this fray. When a person stands up for his or her personal beliefs and is criticised and austrocised into silence, we have a bad problem coming.

The National Organisation for Women, who traditionally argue for women's rights claiming that women should have the right to run for political office and have the same rights as men, chose to criticise Sarah Palin for having the adicity to run for political office and not stay at home.

Gay rights activists have gone to the point of publically publishing people's names who don't agree with their political views.

The media have gone to the point of “outing” or criticising people who don't agree with our “feurer” to the point where people are afraid to speak out.

These were the same tactics the Nazi's used to obtain power. One priest said something to this point.

When they came after the Jews no one stood up.
When they came after the Catholics no one stood up.
When they came after the homosexuals no one stood up.
When they came after the conservatives no one stood up.
When they came after us, there was no one to stand up.

Remember when we had the tea parties protesting against the policies of the Democratics who are overspending and spending us into debt death? The press called the people lunatics. THe comedians publically made fun of them and mocked them.

This is the same way the Nazi's came to power and kept it. This is scary if you look at this. Stand up now or it may be too late.


Paddyboy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:10 pm

GOP gave us: Watergate, Iran-Contra, Iraq without WMD, and 'legalized torture'. The Dems gave us a Clinton bj.

You tell me which of these has had a greater negative influence on our politics.


rpat
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

You are so correct about Freddie and Fannie, but I am convinced they had a lot of political help. It was proven that they defeated efforts to place more control over them.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

Everyone here needs to go to Wikipedia and look up “Godwin's Law” and “reductio ad Hitlerum”

Just do it, people…

Then, perhaps, some meaningful discussion can take place…


bahb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:13 pm

I grew up in NY not far from NYC. I knew a lot of folks who were German or Russian Jews that survived the Holocaust. For this so called Senator to say such a thing about the US being like Germany in the Pre-War Era is a tragedy at best. He has no idea what it was like there. My friends and those we knew who had been there did, and I am sure, if they are still living, they are staring in wonder “how is this man able to make such a ludicrous statement”. The GOP reaches new lows when the liken the Obama Administration or President Obama to anything close to Nazi Germany.

Maybe they should look to their very recent past (like the last 8 yrs) before throwing such stones. I am disgusted and cannot, at this point, believe that I ever voted Republican….wow…


Alex
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

… and conservative groups in the US do the same.

That's a sign of a vibrant democracy and has nothing to do with SA style intimidation tactics.


Walden
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

whether the us is in the same position exactly as germany was is not true. I understand the point yet we see the result of germany after ww2 so I have confidence that no matter what happens, freedom will always prevail one way or another. I believe life is about balance and I believe it applies to almost everything. While too much govt is not good, too little or none at all isn't good either. Everyone reaps some kind of benefit from a society, whether its paved roads to get to your nice cushy office, or food stamps to feed your children cuz the factory you work at doesn't pay enough. Balance is the key so that everyone can benefit and nobody feels like they are losing anything.


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

I don't know where you are coming from. I love this country. I do not like one person in Congress as they have failed us for years. We need to clean house across the board. They are all corrupt! Republicans and Democrats! I just happen to believe in smaller Government that enables everyone the opportunity to proper! Not handicapping everyone by handing out subsidies left and right like they are doing right now. Both parties are guilty!


Paddyboy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

Agreed – maybe leightonk needs to retry that dictionary lookup of fascism:

“A system of government that flourished in Europe from the 1920s to the end of World War II. Germany under Adolf Hitler, Italy under Mussolini, and Spain under Franco were all fascist states. As a rule, fascist governments are dominated by a dictator, who usually possesses a magnetic personality, wears a showy uniform, and rallies his followers by mass parades; appeals to strident nationalism; and promotes suspicion or hatred of both foreigners and “impure” people within his own nation, such as the Jews in Germany. Although both communism and fascism are forms of totalitarianism, fascism does not demand state ownership of the means of production, nor is fascism committed to the achievement of economic equality. In theory, communism opposes the identification of government with a single charismatic leader (the “cult of personality”), which is the cornerstone of fascism. Whereas communists are considered left-wing, fascists are usually described as right-wing.”

The right-wing evangelicals (or 'talibangelists') are the ones trying to control our social norms – what we should be free to do within our homes, activities that in no way harm others – such as forced prayer in schools, 'equal time' for 'intelligent design', anti-homosexuality, and incarceration for marijuana.

That's fascism. But nice try, leightonk.


mrkent
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

How interesting that the socialists want to attack the wealthy capitalists. Why are you in this country? Why do people get educated in this country? Could it be that everyone is seeking to acquire more of everything? The leftists that continue to believe that they have everyone's best interest in mind are sadly misguided, because you have no clue about the individual or liberty (which, oddly enough fit hand in glove in a capitalist society). Socialism can only work if it is based on a Godly vision of community (see Acts and the first century church or look at the example of the people who landed in New England in the first half of the 17th century). A government based on human ideas of right and wrong is doomed to failure.


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Go to Venezuela you Smuck!


c
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:17 am

I’m guessing Thumper became a revolutionary right around November 2nd.

The morons on this site make me laugh hot tears of joy.


Mark Billingsley
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

Yeah DeMint, people got informed about the Bush Administration – the worst in our history – and we changed our government. I'll quote to you what I heard in 2000 and 2004 from Repugnantcans: “We won, get over it.”


Dale Ramsey
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:18 pm

Jim DeMint's ignorance of history, and particularly of the history of Weimar Germany, is absolutely breathtaking and pretty sickening. If any government resembled Germany's surging far-right movement toward militarism allied with big business, disdain for science and rational debate, torture, unprecedented domestic spying and official deception, it was the Bush administration, whose shocks to our American system will take years to put behind us. That surging far-right movement in Germany got into power in early 1933 in Germany and marched straight into the war that flared up as WW II — Hitler's Nazi movement. But with a far-right hatemonger like DeMint, one can only despair of his learning anything.


dean1964
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

The democrats gave us Vietnam…


dontgiveafck
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

McCain!


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

And the fact that the US overthrew the democratically elected Iranian government in 1953 to reinstate the unelected Shah who imprisoned and tortured his enemies means nothing?


cyn
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

It's the wizards and magicians casting spells to blindsight the population. Their names are Pelosi, Rahm and Geithner.


glennbeck
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:22 pm

For someone to be called a facist, one should be angry at everything around. GOP and conservatives are the angry one all the time calling names the others who disagree.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

2000 and 2004 the worst in us history. Have you forgot about the great depression started by the usa by putting tariffs on other countries products which caused other countries to do the same. And now obama wants to do the same with buy american claus in the stimulus package. Many countries dont like obama, dont think that they do. they like that they may have a us president who will be stupid enough to let them take advantage of him, which i hope isnt the case.


dontgiveafck
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

dfjayhawk and who drilled Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac???? BUSH who took his eyes away from the real issues bothering the country and had his Texas illiterate ass focused on the war on NOTHING. Banks were busy selling bad mortgages to Fannie & freddie and making themselves stinky rich while bush was Cheney was tellin his puppet that they need to make oil money…and for the record, I am a Republican..but I also stand for the truth, not like you idiots who will follow wherever the party goes. Get a life!


jasonP
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Once again we are treated to demintment !


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

This 'Legalized torture' as you call is lame. I had it tougher getting initiated into a fraternity. Besides, that has been going on forever, only now the media got a hold of it. It sure beats being beheaded on TV!


Reynolds Jones
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

Wow — the party I grew up in and voted for the first 12 years I could vote continues to prove unquestionably that it has completely lost all touch with reality. I know survivors of the Holocaust. A child at the time, one older man, Gino, survived the death march, and helped his smaller brother to survive it. He shared the memories with my family when I was a teenager. To intimate that somehow America today resembles Germany in the 30s is not just inaccurate, it is grotesque and truly pathetic. To support such a notion when it is raised shows nothing but a lack of knowledge and a level of partisan rancor that should not exist in a free society. For him to also suggest that somehow when his side (party) loses, there is something wrong with the system (as some respondents do) is beyond unbelievable and resides somewhere in the twilight zone.

My decision to leave the Republican party 14 yeras ago now, shaky at the time, is vindicated by this type of fear-mongering. I am delighted that I am now a Democrat. My last donation to a Republican candidate was to Rudy Giuliani (a man that I personally respect) in his primary race last year. There will never be another Republican donation. Even I can learn.

Regards,

Reynolds C. Jones


gooftroop
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

This babbling moron needs to pull a Billy Madison and start school all over again because he obviously learned nothing. You don't even need to dissect this claptrap because none of it even remotely makes sense. Asking this fool to intelligently interpret history (not to mention current events) is like asking Lindsey Lohan to fly the space shuttle…


rmacdonald
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:24 pm

We forgive you, now go register Independent or Democrat.


joedragon
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

Viva la revolucion!!! Let's take back our “Great Country of America” before the liberal, Democrat swine turn us into just another socialist, godless, European country. Holding fast to my freedom, guns and religion.


been there
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

I'm an immigrant, and I lived in socialism. It's like driving on one lane road, when one car in front of you is broken. You have no choice to use other lanes, and get where you need to go. The president and the government controls everything. At the beginning they help the companies, than they buy them, unify the economy (like that one lane road) with no competition and the control continues until you feel the painful and deadly grasp of dictatorship. The numbness starts with words of a big change. It's always promises and more promises…for a big change. I had goose bumps when Barak Husein Obama, promised for a big change, but he never said how and what he was going to change. I'm so worried, frustrated and afraid about this wonderful country of liberty, changing. I can smell the wrong direction of his so called change toward the socialism. Open your eyes people and be aware and afraid of what's happening here.
God help us all!


Mike Strong
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

National Socialism was never socialism. Just as the later German Democratic Republic was never democratic or even more than a pretend republic. As with so many turns of phrase or deliberate word mis-definitions, the Republicans argue “facts” that never were because they have no real facts to argue. Besides, how much easier to scare us with labels rather then reasoned sets of action. In any case, forget the labels and look at the actions which are needed to make a functioning society. Labels lie half the time anyway, or if labels start as a good description, the meanings often change over time anyway. That DeMint would keep using this hacked-together misdirection and misrepresentation tells you that he is unable to function without brain-dead, party-line talking points. He owes more than that to the people he represents. Drum that guy out of office.


edgardo
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

What B.S.! The last eight years have seen my beloved America get as close to a police state as I'd ever fear to see, but very few conservative voices were ever raised. Now there's this chorus of obstructionists whining about important issues they conveniently avoided under the previous regime.


rmacdonald
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:27 pm

I can see you can't believe D Fricken jayhawk


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

ramsey do you know what torture is? naked people, loud music, is more humiliation, thats why they took the terrorists to other countries where they really torture people.You need to get out of the usa and learn some truths to the world. what goes on in the world daily makes abu and gitmo a holiday, it cant compare.


quidquintessa
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Immigrant Iranians are as nutty as immigrant Cubans: they are the ultra-right wing element of their respective countries who exploited their countrymen to the hilt. Is it any wonder then that they win the sympathy of a Republican?


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Don't joke…It could happen! I don't think she is busy right now.


Nunuvyer Bizniz
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

First of all, what happened in Nazi Germany cannot be compared to the present situation in the USA. Attempts to do so immediately call into question the level of education, the credibility, and the intentions of the person proposing the comparison. In addition, Nazism, although it was called National Socialism, was clearly Fascism, as historians agree. Fascism is a combination of government by Big Business interests, and rampant nationalism, which is what we were dangerously close to under that murdering chimpanzee, Bush. Statements such as the one by Jim DeMint are why the GOP continues to blunder its way to irrelevance. Freedom isn't going away, Jim. You didn't seem to mind it when Bush ran up unprecedented national debt to fund his illegal war, which served only to line the pockets of his death-dealing cronies, and destroyed our economy and reputation worldwide. But when Obama sets to work to fix the mess, suddenly Freedom is in jeopardy. Republicans will not survive such levels of hypocrisy and incompetence. You are going the way of the dinosaur.


OneNationEarth
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Nice Comments everyone, Wish I could read them all. But what I think needs to happen is a new world order. One that O.N.E.'s citizens control all the worlds monies, under one currency that is, with digital currency. Bad idea? well thats where were heading because the only way a nation can survive is to survive. Power grab power smlab. does anybody care. can we actually do something about it? probably not. but future struggles are going to be tough for everyone. I think the best thing is to learn and teach people through education (school system) and pastory (because a girl can tell a story too) is the best bet at letting nations kids grow up feeling safe with their fellow nations kids. I wish it could be easy but I will do my best at it. keep up the good work.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Right, so government should be incompetent, and should do nothing for the people, so the people would not become too dependent on the government. Brilliant.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:33 am

You proved my point about how far off course this country is. Abortion and gay marraige have no business being controlled by the federal government. That is a states rights issue, each state has the right to decide for themselves. The fact that the liberals have built up the power of the federal government well beyond it’s constitutional limits makes it tough for many states, but some have started to revolt, Montana and Texas to name a couple, more will if this insanity isn’t stopped. The feds taking either side is in violation of the constitution, thank liberals for bringing them to the federal level. The military was never supposed to be a full time job either, thank a Democrat/liberal for that too.

“A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” 2nd amendment

The PEOPLE were to be armed and do the fighting for this country during times of war. This poses two problems for the centralised government crowd, if the people put their lives on the line then the only fight they will get into is for self preservation, that makes it tough for a would be world power leader to deal with. The second is that if every citizen is armed the federal government has no hope of imposing it’s will over the population because they simply would not be able to raise a large enough army to fight off the enitre population. Thank the liberals for doing all they can to take away this Liberty too.

Interstate commerce was also the exuse that the liberal judges used to tell a farmer who was growing wheat to feed his cattle and family but not selling ANY of it that he was subject to federal regulations in the 1930′s…theres a real victory for personal Liberty. ANY supreme court ruling that usurps states rights in favor of the federal government is not just wrong, it goes AGAINST the founding of this nation. I don’t remember hearing any liberals complaining about any of this. The bottom line is this:
If you would trust your Senator more than your doctor I pity you, Medicare is going broke in just a couple of years, how fast do you think a federal healthcare plan would last? If you need the government to tell you what time to turn on your lights, how far you can drive to work, IF you in fact can drive to work, what kind of toilet you can put in your house, what kind of light bulb you can put in your house, what kind of house you can have, where you can live, what you can do for a living or anything else then you not only don’t understand freedom, you have already freely given it to the federal government. None of those things is consistent with being the most free country on the planet.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

That is crazy!!!… You must be a republican!!! You will right anything you can to get a hold or grip again. The only thing that even resembles Germany is the invasion of a country by one of your own…BUSH. Quit writing this crap!!!!!


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

and pelosi wasnt told they were water boarding people, which isnt a big deal compared to what other countries do to their people daily. Pelosi is a liar like all the democrats and republicans, your congress and senators need voted out, all of them.


GEmil
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

I doubt very much that you are a recent immigrant. All of my family are immigrants, and this is still the greatest country in the world. I will say that health care needs improvement.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

Well said, Bizniz…


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:37 pm

Wow. Your view of history is definitely skewed.


Luger D'Addario
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

Ah, the internet: a bunch of semi-literate cowards anonymously posting uninformed, banal drivel they would never have the courage to speak aloud in the company of others. Also, e-mail and online shopping.

p.s. Listing Wikipedia as a source for your rants is probably not the best way to achieve a sense of legitimacy.


Jim
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

Good points!


maggieyas
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

It was last October when former President Bush was in office that the stimulus package came about and government stepped in to save these companies. Go do some research before you blame President Obama for what former President Bush left.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

correct luger even in some countries you cant voice your thoughts to another if you wanted to, that can lead to prison and torture.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

I will stand up for the Jews in the sense that they are people, but I cannot stand with them in the sense that they continue to oppress the Palestinians. I will stand with the homosexuals because they deserve basic human rights as we all do. I cannot stand with Catholics, and I will not stand with Conservatives…..Catholics are hypocrites, and so are Conservatives.


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

That's OK. They have been calling Bush a Nazi for years, why should you be surprised. Everything you are reading into Demint's statement is wrong. He is saying that the landscape is ripe for a complete Government take over. They are doing pretty fast by my account and we will never be able to reach the foolish goals this administration has laid out. Look at the ignorant Cafe standards he set. There are no 'real' electric cars or solar cars that can meet the needs of society. Wind Power is more expensive than it's worth.( look at whet T. Boone Pickens just abandoned). We have Oil and can ramp up Nuclear Power, like Iran and France. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. There is no common Sense. Cap and Trade is the biggest scam ever invented. Ultimately we need to complete change the face of Congress. Throw all of the bums out.


Goddangit
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

well this country voted for obama and now they'll have to deal. I'm not sure if obama would've have won so nicely if people actually bothered to seriously research him and if he wouldn't have become the media's pet. You voted in someone based on what you were told, instead of what you saw and learned. For this, deal with it. Good news is, the president has a term limit. I don't think anyone can be powerful enough to overthrow the american system in that regard. An overwhelmingly democratic congress is much more dangerous, as this is harder to weed out both in votes and time.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

maggie wants to play the blame game,,, its you, the american people blame yourselves. Your senators and congress are to stupid to do anything about anything. your the people who voted them in. bush was a lame duck president correct, not much he could do. besides wasnt congress out of session and making deals with lobbyistsd at this time. The first bank to get bailed out was in the UK, not in the usa.


dude
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

The last I checked, “the ultra-right wing” of Iran were the defenders of the Islamic revolution and the supreme leader, who are in charge. Sorry to say, but you should go back to school and only call Iranian immigrants “nutty” if you have something to say that makes any sense.


speedo34982
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

omg …thank u for this fantastic comment ….


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:44 pm

If you ' Morally and Intellectually' superior democrats get rid of all of the Republicans, what will you whine about them? who will protect your ass? you all wouldn't last a day without someone to bash!


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

Sometimes, when the citizenry doesn't pay attention (2000 and 2004), you get the government you deserve.


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

Police State. Really? Where the hell do you live. Did they catch you with a direct line to Saudi Arabia?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:47 am

They have the power, but like you say in the end, we vote for then so WE have the power.

People who seek to become politicians, and seek to stay in power as politicians have a different motivation, and different talent and skillset than people in the private sector who earn their way every day by solving big problems. These 545 government people do not have the bottom line that they will lose their jobs if they fail. Since they are not at risk every day based on actual performance, they spend most of their years no a PR campaign and money raising campaign to get you to believe they succeeded or that the other guy sucks worse.

It is useful to debate the limits of our government’s charter, since it has been so notoriously bad at what it aspires to do. Even when the market has an epic fail, as in recently, it will self-correct. We did not need the government step in to prop up failed and corrupt banks and institutions in the way it did, while these institutions spend the money on lobbyists and their own paychecks and jets to travel to Washington to ask for even more. That would have happened under the Republicans as well – noone can honestly argue any different. Republicans want a big fat government too, no matter what they say in their sound-bites. They just want more guns instead of more health care, it’s just about where you move the money. Republicans are not true conservatives, they are just haters, and fear-mongers.

So, in my opinion, we can 1) transfer the charter for education, health care and “almost everything” to the private sector as much as possible and 2) treat the 545 people in government as we do employees in the private sector as much as possible (with the exception of supreme court perhaps).

In the private sector there is something called “at-will” termination which I am sure we are all familiar with. If a senator or representative is underperforming, I am sure we could make it easier to get rid of them, through a ballot to vote them out. We also need transparency in how our 545 officials use our money, vote on issues, represent local interest and an easy way to compare them on the metrics we care about. Cuold you believe a society where the representatives would be ranked on the news based on a range of basic facts?

Also, we need term limits accross the board. We lose in a big way by having career politicians and lose when government service is a career. One term. The motivation to become a politician would be very different. I bet we would vote in Execs of successful companies for a term. They could fix things and go back to the real world.

Think about what our government does for you! What are you “getting” from your government? If your streets are paved and your neighborhood is safe, then maybe the government should handle those roles. If your children are getting mind-numbed at school, then maybe government should get out of education. If your state cannot balance the budget, then maybe someone should be replaced?

It is your government. You pay a lot of money in income tax and sales tax and what do you get from it? Really think about that. If the government was half as large and you were paying half the tax, then you could pay for private schooling for your kids and a bunch of other things. You would vote with your paycheck which seems to work most of the time.


rmacdonald
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:47 pm

Lee Atwater and Karl Rove's tactics have everything to do with SA tactics.

It took a horrific form of cancer for Mr. Atwater to wake up and publicy declare that he and the Republicans were wrong.

But declare it he did.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

actually nobody did any research. since the start of 1900's the american home value was on a even line of worth, with some small shifts during ww2 and such, but in the mid 1990's bill clinton allowed un quailified people be able to purchase homes, which continued and continued.but the housing values went way up, way above the average worth a home has always been. people borrowed against their homes because the value was up and they could use it as collateral, well their intest and payments went up, and the values of the homes dropped,,,, so why try to prop up the value of homes above what their average worth has been for the last 100 years.


pacmeister
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

while all of us are busy countering the other someone is slowly easy your rights away.if everything were meant to be free where would we find satisfaction? it's funny that all the talk of 'rights' runs past the right to bear arms. I doubt if many of you lived before or during the ww2 days yet you bloviate like you wrote history. get a grip! when it becomes legal to take from one person to give to another you have the seeds of envy and hate. we vote for the guy who promises us something for nothing. where does he get it? did he produce it? no,he took it from someone else and we don't care to think that our turn may be next.when did you have your fist thought that was your very own? a clear concise thought that opened your eyes to a fact? ever?


leightonk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

Fascists are only called right-wing because liberals of the late 20's had to put a spin on it. Nazi Germany was not Fascist. Please read. Don't just repeat liberal dogma. Communism and Naziism shared some characteristics with Fascism, but they were NOT the same. I agree with you on Bush. But W. (had fascist ideas just like Obama) may have run under the banner of a Republican and compassionate conservative, but the 'liberal conservatives', i.e. Republicans from Lincoln through Eisenhower hardly exist. Today's Congress & Obama are the totalitarians. They will probably take away the secret ballot for unions. Their idea is a utopia run by the State. That is part of fascism! Both W. & Obama have made constant warnings on this and that. That is a tactic of a fascist to draw your attention away from other things. Obama says we will reduce greenhouse gases by 80% by 2050 (compared to what year???). Are they kidding!! If they compare it from 1990 (pop less than 300 million then and probably 400-450 million by 2050) in reality it will have to be reduced by 90%. How will they do that? Tell me I can't eat beans because my flatulence is warming the Earth. Maybe our liberal fascist worship of mother earth will have us all going organic and no eating of meat. Will they put the 'right-wingers' in chains and force them to kill off all cattle, pigs, etc, because they, of course won't kill them (PETA people are definitly liberal fascists). Why do we have such huge unemployment percentages in large cities but not in the rural areas? Easy answer: The non-liberals are out working because they have good work ethics, while the liberals are using their brain contemplating the future of the liberal agenda. Check out a map of what a huge AREA (by counties) voted for McCain and the small area that voted for Obama. We can sure tell the demographics of those that desire a handout from cradle to grave and those that know what hard work is.


dfjayhawk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

I guess the President can pas budgets, legislation and what ever the heck he wants. Congress has nothing to do with the state we are in. Personally I think they are more responsible than either President!


rightsmatter
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:51 pm

Is he actually implying that there was no “power grab” under Bush?


rmacdonald
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

Whom have Republicans protected other than shareholders – oh wait they couldn't do that either.

Protecting? You won't find any silver spoon types carrying a rifle – I served – I'm retired Army, I gave this country my best years and a couple body parts as well.


dr_arthur_ide
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:54 pm

What an idiot–there is freedom of speech–responsible speech–not crying fire in an crowded theater or saying or printing libel, slander or similar garbage. Torture has been practiced by the CIA with immunity, and by prison officials and the GOP sanctioned by Yoo and Rice.


Joey
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

They understand socialism. They understand tyrants. But none of us have ever had it here. We don’t even know what it looks like.
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Yes we do. We know exactly what it looks like. It looks like Bush and Cheney and the Military Commission Act and the Patriot Act. It looks like aggressive wars on others. It looks like throwing innocent people into jail with no hope of legal recourse, it looks like torturing people in those jails. It looks like giving $800 Billion to corrupt-ass bankers who stole so much money that they were worried about getting lynched if the economy melted down. It means the 3rd Division patrolling U.S. territory.

It looks a lot like REPUBLICANS !!

The fact is that YOU don't know what it looks like, Senator DeMint, because you are apparently borderline retarded. The evil was in the Bush administration for the whole damn world to see. The evil was in destroying countries, people, the Constitution and the American economy. Ya damn moron.


DD
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Erm, mayhaps you should pay attention. Obama actually was AGAINST the buy American rider to the stimulus package.


Vendeta
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:57 am

Not a single person I had voted for, in this last election, won or was even close to winning a seat in Congress or the Presidency. Whether the U.S. is looking more like pre World War Two Germany or not, we will all continue to burn if the majority of so called “Americans” continue to support the 2 headed dragon. “Down with the Republicons and Dumbocrats!”


Name
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:57 am

Everything you added comes under “bloated federal budgets”, but thanks for being specific.


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Yeah that overwhelmingly republican congress sure did a great job for 12 years!

Your analogy sounds like it worked have made more sense looking at the 2000 election rather than 2008.

We voted for a man in 2000 who totally misrepresented himself during the election and used 9/11 as the reason why. We became hysterical with fear until the electorate woke up sometime between 2006 and 2008. Then we made a clear choice. And the problem is a very vocal minority who are acting as obstructionists as we try to make necessary and needed changes. However, the vocal republican minority will be held acccountable as they dissappear in the next few election cycles. Then we are stuck with the Democrats and Sarah Palin's “Bull Moose Party”.


Thumper1986
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Finally! A man who calls a spade a spade; America is in the shitter and its enemies are ready to flush….LA just got 'stuck' paying The Queen of Pop's $1.4 million dollar funeral tab, the State is Bankrupt (but just wont declare its insolvency yet), Obama's 'true' colours are finally showing, themselves….and Canadians just dont give a r—t's ass (and fellow Yankees, we 'truly' dont!)…….only in the Excited States of America..ha ha


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

So which congress are you upset with? The Democrats of 2006 to now or the Republicans of 1994 to 2006?


Derrick
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

Just another repug, of course people in SC are to stupid to vote him out.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Joey a democrat makes a great nazi, have you ever flown into any major usa city from outside the usa, i persume they are democrats most the cities i have flown into were democraric cities. They took me to the side and would ask me a thousand questions. Rude and mean. I see no difference in a democrat or republican today. again your a person who hasnt been outside the usa and have no idea how others live and are tortured for real. not posed naked and having loud music played on them. Real torture like whipping and beatings and electric shock. this goes on daily in many countries in the world, and not by terrorists caught in a battle area.


Rio65
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

While watching fireworks on the Fourth, I was wondering how many more of these celebrations we were going to have (or be allowed to have) in the future. Heil Obama.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

thumper canada relies on the usa for lots of trade, if usa goes down canada goes down, the economies are intertwined, and i live in either place so i dont give a rats ass, but you should.


Phil
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

All this fear-mongering is fascinating to me, 'Germany before WWII”? This guy must have a very low opinion of the people of S.C. in particular, and of us Americans in general. It is not quite 8 years since we heard the same story about Iraq, the stampede of which almost ruined our economy beyond repair. Now he dusts off the same old instruments and in essence, is accusing the guy who comes to clean up after a bar brawl of using up too much cleaning supplies, the cost of which might ruin the company. Simply fascinating!!


Concerned
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

What would really be helpful, is if everyone would stop labeling other people and themselves in an effort to feel superior and just discuss the issues and how they personally feel about them. We are not after all a nation of democrats and republicans, but rather a nation of Americans. When we spend all of our time attacking each other who really wins?


Jay
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:04 pm

I don't think we are heading the way of Nazi Germany at all. I think Obama knows that he has to control debt and I am sure he will. I know he will let Bush's tax cuts fade away in 2010 like they were suppose to but we are in the Great Recession and it will just take time to fix it. Our banking system failed us because it should never have been deregulated which by the way was on Clintons watch. I voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 but I always disagreed about the tax cuts because before these cuts were initiated are economy was roaring and we were paying down the debt and things looked great for Americas future. Give Obama a chance to work on the situation since he has only been in office for a little more than 6 months. He seems to be a listener and that is what I like about him. His views I believe are in the center which I like and I like his values as well considering I usually lean to the republicans.


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:05 pm

Ever hear of Habeus Corpus? Domestic Spying? Oh yeah, the good citizens of Kansas, once the most progressive state, now vote republican more than any other state than Utah. I am sure you don't care about these things.

And THAT my friend is how we work towards a police state!


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

I think that Abraham Lincoln said it best that calling an ass a horse does not make it so. It used to be that the public service and discourse in this country was carried out by people who sacrificed to do so. Now it is being usurped by those attempting to take advantage of people's fears and insecurities to make a buck and further their own agendas. DeMint gives himself away by stating that the people are “easy to manipulate.” Let us abstain, dear citizens, from the politics of fear. Let us say no to the politics of us and them. And let us reject the ridiculous notion that whatever our political views may be, that somehow those who do not agree with us are fomenting some conspiracy against the nation that we all love. Cooperation and consensus building, even compromise, may not get ratings or sell books or inspire donations, but it is surely the path that we must follow to maintain the greatness of this democracy!


Yellowbird69
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

I highly doubt that, in a serious political conversation, many would hold the extreme views they seem to be spouting here. The anonymity of the internet makes a ranter and a raver out of all of us to some degree, I suppose.

President Bush was a crude, oblivious dolt whose policies (in addition to nearly bankrupting this country) hurt our standing in the world. He lied/told falsehoods about “yellow cake” uranium to justify the Iraq war. He rolled back emissions standards on automobiles. He sat by while the financial companies raped American homebuyers. He spent the first 350 billion bailing out Wallstreet bankers right before he left office. His idea of “stimulating” the economy was borrow from our grandkids and send checks for 150 or 300 to everyone and say, “go buy a flatscreen made in china.” Oh yeah, and he approved of torturing our prisoners!! That is going to hurt OUR soldiers for years to come when they are captured abroad!!!!

So, my point is that Obama is way better, even if he is a socialist. He wont be able to advance as radical an agenda as people fear due to the checks and balances of our system. Also, he has an aquanimity, dignity, and grace that Bush never will. He is respected abroad (no one would throw a shoe at Obama). He is trying to gear up this country for green technology. He PROMISES to stop spending so much money soon (we shall see).

Obama is not that bad.


Mike
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

What can you say about South Carolina. Too small to be a republic and too big to be an insane asylum


rif
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:10 pm

Some very insightful comments. But I do take issue with your rural v. urban unemployment argument. There is a very large population of rural poor, or on the precipice of poverty. Many did what the rural poor did during the great depression; they moved to the cities to look for work. As for government handouts, true there are multitudes of programs in urban areas, but there are many to serve rural aras as well. But one of the largest handouts would be the agricultural subsidies the reoccur in every farm bill.


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:11 pm

There's a difference between a “Socialist State” that was communist and a “Social Democracy”.
We are speaking of the latter. Don't get confused! No one wants a communist state.
Our eyes are open, thank you very much!


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

You may not agree with DeMint, but that is no reason to insult morons. Morons have never gotten us into debt or war. You owe morons an apology.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

Bush saw all power as his… well, Cheney did and does… so no grab was necessary.


NotCrazy
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Seriously Senator, you need mental help quickly. You are 100 percent cuckoo.


thetruthmatters
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Apparently it has become an official talking point of the GOP to label President Obama as a Nazi. DeMint knows good and well that there is utterly ridiculous. As history shows it is totalitarian regimes that fear the educated or as the GOP likes to call educated Americans, elitists. The first thing the Nazi's and the like do is to imprison of kill of the “elite” because they are the ones that cannot be easily manipulated and lied to. This is true in Iran, N. Korea, Nazi Germany, Facist Italy, Afghanistan under the Taliban and on and on. The real danger lies in people like DeMint that are willing to create dangerous unrest and foment disorder to sell a book. The hypocricy is stunning. He and other GOP leaders sat by ideally for the last 8 years as Bush carved up our civil rights. The very rights that did not exist in Germany. It is a sad day when a member of our US Senate has to stoop to this level. There is a danger in this country and it comes from the right. True Conservatives are not buying into this anymore than any other so called elitist.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Why do Americans have such a fascination with home ownership? It is not a very good place to park your money, especially such a large percentage of it, compared to other investment or savings vehicles.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

Yes! That is the criticism of democracy, that the citizens get the government which they deserve. Also, democracy is the absolute worst form of government, except for all the others.


harry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

the usa has been bankrupted for a long time, you americans cant see beyond your nose. they democrats and republicans used social seciruty money and spent it up, they kept borrowing money to pay for medicare and other social programs. to say bush bankrupted the usa is not true. the american people have bankrupted themselves and the country by voting in the people they have, and now they want to blame others. Who bought the house they cant afford, how many had a credit card in college and had no job? but was approved, and people took the money (credit card) weith no questions asked. the average college student in the usa has a 10,000.00 credit card bill after graduating college, in some countries you cant get a credit card unless you make a certain amount of money. Look forard to higher credit card bills americans, thats what you get by not putting proper laws in affect, such as approving people who have a low wage job and given to much credit, its your system thats bankrupted your country and you americansd went along with it blame yourselves.


Jason998877
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

Unfortunatly many of the posts here do not realize the contempt many of us have for giving up what we have worked so hard for. The silent majority is slowly being awakened as never before seen in this century. Ailing infustrucure, increased debt, and predetory politicians on both sides are putting us all on a bad road to mediocrity. And that will be the death of us all. Left or right we have to have the right to rise or fall as individuals before we have the right as a people. Please don't ever take my right to fail away. It is the only way we grow stronger.


sblasig
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

Senator DeMint does not know what he is talking about. I am German and for the record, my country did not become a “social democracy” before World War II but a totalitarian dictatorship imprisoning and killing its own people. Do not tell me, Senator, you honestly believe the U.S. is anywhere close to that point!


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

There is always room for one more!


thetruthmatters
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:19 pm

Very well said. And it appears we better start taking this type of talk seriously when it is coming from the mouths of US Senators. If we remain silent we may just end up like Nazi Germany.


louiseriser
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:21 pm

We HAD BETTER LISTEN I have tol my children since they were little that the U S A would FALL Nobody or country that gets to HIGH on the horse will stay there forever THEY WILL FALL I amafraid America is going to come off the high horse it has been on for years To much open door policy…just lets criminals from other countries come in to take over her with there beliefs,and wrong doing…..I do fill bad for those people who do not have the freedom we have BUT they are going to take ours away….WE as Americans need to STAND UP and fight our government to DO the RIGHT things for AMERICA We BETTER PAY ATTENTION to this message a very concerned citizen


laura
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

“how many had a credit card in college and had no job? but was approved, and people took the money (credit card) weith no questions asked. the average college student in the usa has a 10,000.00 credit card bill after graduating college, in some countries you cant get a credit card unless you make a certain amount of money. Look forard to higher credit card bills americans, thats what you get by not putting proper laws in affect, such as approving people who have a low wage job and given to much credit, its your system thats bankrupted your country and you americansd went along with it blame yourselves.”

I have a hard time using college students' credit card debt as an example for anything. Although many do build up debt by buying things that they do not need, many use it to survive on to get through school or to pay tuition to get a good job in the future. Although I don't believe a credit card is a good way to pay for school, I know many students who have not been able to get student loans to cover their tuition and have no other options to pay for school (or drop out, essentially wasting any money already spent on college).


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:23 pm

People should avoid such references to Nazi Germany, but he's not that far off the mark as regards people becoming more and more reliant on the government and the dangers therein. Consider also the attempts by some to grab power through various means, such as riding on the global warming issue or pushing hate crimes laws. And, of course, many “liberals” have a strong totalitarian streak. For examples of that, see your average BHO cultist. For a minor example of liberal fascism, see the *comments* on that post.


cicely1234
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

DeMint needs to attend a few history courses and a few political science courses (or at least read a few books). The distance between social democracy and NATIONAL SOCIALISM aka Nazism is night and day. The economic situation currently faced by the US is also light years from that experience in the post WWI/pre WWII era in Germany. The US is not experiencing hyper-inflation combined with massive cross-sectoral job loss. If anything, the US is experiencing stagflation bordering on deflationary trends and moderate if concerning job loss in specific sectors. Could things get worse, possibly, but it does seem that the stimulus package has slowed and in some cases begun to reverse the down-ward trend. Will it take longer than 5 months to come out of the worst recession since the Great Depression? YES. Will jobs be a lagging indicator (as they always are)? YES! Rep DeMint should stop talking about things he clearly does not understand.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Under Bush and Obama economic policies, the government currently is responsible for less than two percent of the nation's industry/economy. Is this is the terrifying “socialism” DeMint is so afraid of? His comparisons of the United States to Chavez and leaders in Iran and South America, not to mention the rise of Nazis before World War II, makes it very clear who is doing the actual manipulation.


thetruthmatters
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

You need to check your facts. There is more poverty and more government assistance give to the poverty stricken by percentage of population than in the urban population. This is a fact. You need to start with facts to come to your conclusions or you are just on of the “easily manipulated”. Think about it.


joey6662
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

are all people from sc idiots


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

DeMint has hit it on the head. Education in the U.S. has been dumbed down since the leftist radicals took it over in the late 1960's. It was intentional in my opinion to make it easier for them to institute a Marxist state in this country. Due to this poor education most people have no interest in U.S. history, let alone world history in the younger generations that grew up under that system. This has happened before, I have already read this story and I know how it ends. Read the book “The Nazi Seizure of Power” The experience of a single German town 1922-1945 by William Sheridan Allen. It documents how the German people ELECTED the very man that would enslave them. This was made possible ONLY by the severe economic hardship that existed in Germany in the 1920's and 1930's. Hitler promised that only he had the answer to bring back prosperity, does this ring any bells for the libs? Once elected and with a majority in the Reichstag, another telling similarity, Hitler was able to easily take away one personal Liberty after another, always for “the good of the people”, mind you, until the German people had no freedom at all. More importantly they had also lost the right to defend themselves against tyranny, a fact that is utterly lost on many Americans. I wish I had a nickle for every time someone asked “Why didn't the Germans DO something to stop Hitler?” How could they?! With what?? You either obeyed or were shot, pick one. The American people had better wake up, the loss of Liberty is much easier than anyone is willing to admit, and once it is gone you never get it back, at least not without a fight. The American equivalent of the Brownshirts are already organized in this country, ACORN or COI, do we wait until they mobilize to try to stop them? Wake up!!


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

Oh horsepucky, the difference here is that if somebody tries any tricks in America, we aren't going to cower under like they do in other countries, we'll kick some butt and things will go back to normal….yea, there'll likely be some civil disorder and then well get back what we had. So don't worry.


Ben
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

So I guess Jim DeMint knows practically nothing about German history then. Good to know. I've lived in Germany; I speak German; I've met Germans who were there – it's not even vaguely similar. My ex-Soviet Russian boss thought we were getting more and more similar to the Soviet Union during the G.W. Bush administration, which I didn't really agree with either, but unlike DeMint, he actually had some knowledge upon which to base his assessment.


Jane
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

Clearly, he hasn't looked up the following definitions: Socialism; Fascism; and Theocracy.


Lucid1
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

sblasig what country are you in? usa incarcerates more citizens than any country in the world. Police can kill with impunity and virtually no consequences. This country wasn't nearly in the dictatorship sad police state it is now before the bush cartel took over under reanomics and thee “WAR on drugs!??”. You are too blinded by ignorant patriotism to see who is supplying the drugs. Can't have a drug war without drugs. Never before in our history have losers like the bankers be rewarde for failer that was obviously planned. FOOL.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:33 am

Former Sen. Ernest (Fritz) Hollings D-SC and former Gov. of S.C. does not belong in your list of dysfunctional establishments of South Carolina. Although I don’t blindly approve of any pol’s record, Sen. Hollings was and is quite lucid and Honorable. He is a regular contributor to Huffington Post.com. Please read his opinions. They’re pretty down to earth.


Lucid1
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

sblasig what country are you in? usa incarcerates more citizens than any country in the world. Police can kill with impunity and virtually no consequences. This country wasn't nearly in the dictatorship sad police state it is now before the bush cartel took over under reanomics and thee “WAR on drugs!??”. You are too blinded by ignorant patriotism to see who is supplying the drugs. Can't have a drug war without drugs. Never before in our history have losers like the bankers be rewarde for failer that was obviously planned. FOOL.


mtwbkw
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

ha the worst thing that has happened to our children was brought to you by mr. bush it's called no child lest behind which is used to teach kid to take a test and not use the minds.


Libertarian
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:33 pm

I can't even believe what i'm reading, all this socialist nonsense. Obama Will run this country into the ground, and everyone is just looking at the sky and smiling like idiots, waiting for His Greatness to come down on a white horse and Save Us From Ourselves.

The Vast Majority Of Americans Don't Deserve What Our GrandParents Fought For. Maybe we should save ourselves the trouble, start shredding everything from Thomas Paine, and start handing out Karl Marx.

Get Aquainted with Socialism, People. Americans have become too stupid and lazy to stop it from happening.


Charleston
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:34 am

So using states rights, the states can control gunownership according to your view. Finally something we can agree on.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

What fun would politics be if you had to support your conclusions with facts and reasoned arguments? This is not the infotainment way! We have television hosts with too much makeup who shout down the generals and PhDs! That's how we roll now!


LBelle
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

>>surge of government spending and control under President Obama and the Democrats<<

That began with Bush Admin, and any additional spending is attempt to correct the issues caused by the Bush Admin. I suppose we could have just let the banks fail? That way the blame would be solely on Bush Admin, where it should be… But then, what effect would that have on our country?? I don't care for the financial bailout, but I think Obama Admin is the better man for it, and maybe has a little less cleanup to do.

<<You still had votes but the votes were just power grabs like you see in Iran, and other places in South America, like Chavez is running down in Venezuela.<<

Don't forget Florida… And Ohio…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:36 am

There is …..simply follow the 2nd amendment.

“…the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

If politicians stop trying to take away that right the NRA would cease to exist, it wouldn’t be necessary. That and actually punishing and locking up criminals instead of punishing everyone else for the criminals sins.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

Huh? I grew up in Detroit, and have 12 years of higher education at both public and private universities, and have never EVER had a teacher or instructor try to influence my thinking. Where does this myth come from? The only people I fear are the home schooled because they are only hearing one side of the story.


jhuey
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

“the government currently is responsible for less than two percent of the nation's industry/economy.” What does that even mean? And as government in all forms takes somewhere around 35% or more of what you earn, I highly doubt this is true. Even I don't think they can do that horrible of a job of stewardship….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:39 am

I don’t mean to nit-pick such a fine (& factual) oratory,but if you include the pres. & the supreme court INjustices,that accounts for 555 traitors who are destroying our republic, They have no idea what it is like to live hand to mouth, the scoundrels,ALL!


theunioncamp
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:41 pm

truthmatters you need to educate yourself on fascism….people hear the word they think WWII, concentration camps, Hitler, etc.
The reality is fascism is a deal between the gov't and coalition of certain elitists. All fascists regimes work together with specific industries that get special priveliges that others do not. A lot of Hitler's high up adminstration were corporate hot shots. Fascism is based upon corporatism, it combines a national socialisist idea to keep the working class in check by giving them handouts and making them dependent upon the gov't. Rights can be slowly eroded away once this is achieved. They then nationalize specific industries, but in reality its a monopolization for a specific company to control an entire industry for themselves. Banks were nationalized (although, the real reason this happened probably had much to do with the fact that most of the banks were Jewish owned, or connected to the Rothschilds), and so were many other industries, but profit was still raked in for the few at the top because they still ran these “nationalized” businesses. Mussolini defined fascism as “the bureaucratization of the economic activities of the nation.”
The ignorance here is for someone from the GOP to attack specifically the DNC and blame them for this garbage, so I agree with you on that. They are both to blame. Its been a joint deal for sometime between big business and the two-headed monster in Washington. Its unfortunate to me that I feel the GOP which is dying is going to ride back into town on Ron Paul's coat tails and then once again abandon the Constitution (I dont know why he doesnt leave, go Libertarian, and get Kucinich, Barlett, and the few others who arent global elitist puppets to go with him…that's where he's going to drop the ball).
I personally dont think anyone is a Nazi. Nazi doesn't truly or solely identify fascism. However, the truth is they are all fascists. Bush…fascist. Obama…fascist. Clinton…fascist. Reagan, Bush Sr., Sen Prescott Bush, Billary, Ted Kennedy, Pelosi, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, Hannity, Fareed Zaharia, Bill Buckley, Carter, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Geitner, Brahm Emanuel, etc….all fascists/globalists/elitists.
Unionizing as civilians at a national level is the only answer, as consumers, workers, activists, etc.
Expecting anything but tyranny, and constant perpetuation of power and size from gov't is absurd.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:43 pm

Step away from the caffeine and take a deep breath. This country has survived for 233 years because the founders knew what they were doing. Checks and balances. And term limits of two, four, and six years, respectively, for our elected officials.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:44 am

Your response is a bunch of double-talk that means absolutely nothing. You trying to impress illiterate conservatives that aren’t on to you? Granted, it is much more colorful than the usual “northern-liberal-godhating-fagloving-redmeat” ilk, but it is, never the less, meaningless double-talk.

….and my last girlfriend was a law partner of a US Supreme Court nominee, so yes, I can read and write english and I am calling you on your bullshit.

I noticed you didn’t address said response to me, but was hoping to be able to write this crap, and sound literate without being directly challenged for it.

Do you use any specific brand of foil to protect your brain from alien probes?

On To You,
Z


noahtomt
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:44 pm

I would like to thank Senantor DeMint for taking the time to inform We the people the real State of the Union. Truth is hard to come by these days and I have to agree with your comments about Germany ww2. My question is who is the Hitler? Obama or whom? ” The Anti Christ” ?. I believe the trojan horse has been at work in our goverment and the general populus for 200 years.

The younger generation is being brain washed through the media, T.V. Liberal News, own by the radical left. Our schools are not teaching the truth, instead they are teaching tolerance for an agenda brought here by the British elite. Guess what Dorthy it is a conspircy. Start with the Rothchilds, builderbergers and look no further than the organization such as the U.N.,the C.F.R. the Illuminante, schul and bones.

America is being systematically transformed into socialism, fashism. The only way to turn the tide is to audit the so called Fed. The banking cartel,cabal has control of our fiscal and monitary policy and are going to bankrup our country, on purpose. We need Americans to shout from the roof tops to Congress and the Senant to demand an audit. Further we need to take back control of coining money. The interest along would help to balance the budget. We need to support small business the work engine of our economy.

I am an example of how the cabal has ruin not only my business but the sub-contractors whom worked for my company. Please! Please! start a grass roots effort to abolish the fed.

Thomas Seeker of Truth noahtomt@yahoo.com


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:47 am

Since you’re talking please define a liberal.


charleshinton
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

This is just a statement by someone who is somewhat narrow mined or ill informed about how this government works. Now, his party has run the country into the ground and they are out of power and its easy to blame others. I need not resight the failed economy, a military fiasco in the middle east, lack of any rule of law inside the country or governance on policy, and a VP who was knee deep in deception running wild because some of the American people along with congress members like this De Mint character supported him blindly. This is the only reason….should this country continue to experience failure like the results seen in Germany. I, also, should point out that This De Mint person comes from the South which had a system of socialism for its slaves just a short time ago when tryants rule with unchecked wealth until the civil war. CW


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

Nobody lost more in the financial meltdown than those in the financial industry. I agree that it sets a bad precedent to reward those responsible. Our leaders choose to fight “wars” that cannot be won… cancer, drugs, poverty, terrorism. This shows their lack of common sense and reason, regardless of their motives. Incarcerating so many of our citizens is a losing proposition whch we cannot afford. The social consequences of such a policy is overwhelming.


blondie2005
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:48 pm

As a German, I find this reference an insult!! My parents lived through the pre WW2 error & being in a dictactorship is very different to the “socialist country we now are in !!! I have not found any minority in America being killed because of their religion or race, which happened for many years prior to WW2. I guess the senator should look up the history before he speaks. According to current polictics, all of Europe including the U.K. is a socialst country. Governments has control over a nationalized health care service better general health care results than the U.S., better ed results than the U.S., everybody has access to housing as well as some countries in the EU being rated as a more competive workforce( U.S. is not in the top 10) etc. In Norway, the goverment funds any student that wants to travel to another country to study in college.

Yet, I can't dismiss that the Euro & the pound is valued over the dollar the past couple of years. Maybe socialism according to this diffination isn't that bad.

The problem is that too many people are spending or was spending above their means. The goverment spending now trying not to fix it is the issue. The people spending way above their paycheck is the issue.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

Student loans are a much better example of misplaces priorities. Education is the best investment we can make, yet we continue to allow our graduates to wallow in horrific levels of debt which threaten to make education an option only for the wealthy.


Joey
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:51 pm

Like you, I consider both sides of the house to be very similar. Republican or Democrat.

The American people, Republican or Democrat allowed all this torture, which is specifically against American culture. The American people allowed the trashing of their Constitution – also against the culture. The American people allowed being lied to, also against the culture. The American people allowed spending their money on bombs, bullets and bankers, long before 9/11 even.

The same way the German people allowed Hitler in the beginning, until he grabbed enough power to make the whole point moot.

The argument that other people or countries torture more than Americans do is like saying “Hey, they're more evil than I am, so I can be at least that much evil before anyone should say anything to me.” What does that say about you? Evil is as evil does. It doesn't matter the degree.

I am ex-military (U.S. Air Force), both active duty and formerly a military dependent (history of service in my family). I have spent, until very recently, more than half of my life outside of the United States, in service of this country. I have lived (months or years) in foreign countries and interacted with local culture and am therefore quite familiar with many different cultures around the world. I have flown into the US (and out of) so many times I've lost count, both on commercial and military flights. I am also an avid student of World History as well as Military History.

I know what evil looks like. I know how it acts. I know that the Bush administration behaved more like the NAZIs than any other administration in my memory. If you don't think so, then I strongly suggest you brush up on your history, because the similarities are chilling and obvious.

Whether Obama turns out that way remains to be seen.


amakua1
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:53 pm

Ahh, another liberal that doesn't understand US Civics. Even if Bush wanted to enact all this spending, it had to be approved by the US Congress for appropriation of funds. The US Congress was controlled by the Democrats and their Socialized agenda. Perhaps Barney Frank should not have tried to short circuit the mortgage approval system and elliminate a requirement for home loan down payment. Not everyone should own a home, and certainly is not entitled to. Try earning the money first, than buy a home. Only a Socialist/Communist could have come up with a plan to Nationalize GM & Chrysler by loaning federal money to a company that should have gone Chapter 11/13 and then deprived private citizens of their own claim to a portion of a bankrupt company. A bankruptcy court would have awarded bond and preferred stockholders a few cents on the dollar vs. nothing. Welcome to October 17th and go watch Dr. Schivago again.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

Obama can't be a Nazi. Remember, he is a closeted Muslim and would therefore be intellectually incompatible with Nazi ideals. That would be as preposterous as someone suggesting that religious fanatic Quaeda would be in cahoots with secular regimes like the Baathists in Saddam's Iraq! Nobody would dare make such an argument! They would be laughed off the world stage!


bobfry
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

America WAS like Germany before WW II with Bush's fascist administration, endless wars for endless peace, torture, spying on citizens, suspension of habeas corpus, & so on. We've pulled back a bit under Obama, but the far right extremists continue to lie and mislead their followers.


Joey
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

Amen.


bronncohowie
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 9:58 pm

DeMint Says: “People become more dependent on the government so that they’re easy to manipulate. And they keep voting for more government because that’s where their security is.”

I guess this is what happened when Bush was President. Is he calling Bush a socialist ? Heck no !! DeMint, a notorius southern “christian” racist cannot stand the fact that America voted for a black President. In the countries he is talking about he would be put in jail & tortured for saying stuff like this !!


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:01 am

Wow, if I’m so stupid why did a Chinese company hire me to save their business? Their sell it cheap business model is failing. I’ve been hired to save their asses. So much for your theory.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

Hmmm… wasn't it Bush who took us down this “nationalization” slippery slope. The taxpayers are getting equity in these companies, which you may argue is a bad idea, but the government may sell off these assets whenever it feels is appropriate. If socialism is defined as the government trying to help better the lives of the people by preventing more financial bloodletting, then I say viva socialism. Countries and individuals do this all the time to prevent further negative consequences. You may not like the idea of someone else steering the bus, but there are a lot of us on it with a lot at stake.


Gladius
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:03 pm

DeMint obviously meant the Weimar Republic, not the Nazi take-over of that which became the 3rd Reich. The Weimar Republic, in the midst of a depression exponentially worse than America's at the time, legally allowed the Nazis to take over the government–yes, Hitler was voted into office legally, before he became a bloody dictator. The senator is making the point that like the Weimar Republic, the liberally-controlled legislature, with the collusion of the liberal executive branch, are setting the stage for a economic meltdown and resultant leftist coup.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

I'd like to see a revolution in this country. God knows we need one. The two-party system is a sham. One cannot blame one President or another for the woes in the United States. It is bad legislation and lack of enforcement that has gotten us into trouble. Wars we can't afford, bloated federal budgets and inappropriate spending. Greedy Wall Street and on and on. The middle class has suffered the most with reducing incomes, fewer jobs, and loss of benefits in the workplace.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:05 am

@cdc09…please read the article at this link about oil…and world intent. It is written from a seemingly objective Iranian point of view:
http://iran.ru/eng/iran_news.php?act=news_by_id&news_id=8246
 
see paragraphs 5, 8 and 13
 
5=China competition for w/USA
8- China naval power need
13= Afganistan need
 
i will recite history once out of courtesy to you: “before the decisoon to hunt WMDs was made, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff” debated the end-game of the invasion. The discussion was prolific, and included the point-in-fact that Iraqi peole are incapable of self-governance, due to their history of achievments and seeming preferences/proclivity to mob violence and civil war/strife…daily coup de etat, and equivocation arising from politcal/governmental obfustication….some people..seem to believe this was “willy-nilly”, to be honest, the entire region of central and mideast Asia will be hotly contested by the superpowers for oil supplies, i.e., exploration/extraction and pipelines. That is in point-of-fact the true reason our military intends to create a stabile environment in Afganistan, which is inevitably important to the need for oil.


Lu
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Unfortunately for this country, our so called congressional “leaders” are extremely ifnorant individuals. Not only has there been a dumbing down of the general population but the ones who have been elected have also become dunber and dumber. Not only do we as a majority not know our own history, but we are totally ignorant of world geography,culture and history. Fortunately for us and despite the vast ignorant masses, we finally have an intelligent leader who is trying to rectify the abysmal mess perpetrated by the past administration in foreign and domestic affairs. I wish him luck since the last person and his cronies dug us into such a deep hole that it will take a miracle and great effort to crawl out of. For all those negative people; I ask why didn't you make an effort to fix the problems? Since you didn't, put up or shut up!


Lu
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Unfortunately for this country, our so called congressional “leaders” are extremely ifnorant individuals. Not only has there been a dumbing down of the general population but the ones who have been elected have also become dunber and dumber. Not only do we as a majority not know our own history, but we are totally ignorant of world geography,culture and history. Fortunately for us and despite the vast ignorant masses, we finally have an intelligent leader who is trying to rectify the abysmal mess perpetrated by the past administration in foreign and domestic affairs. I wish him luck since the last person and his cronies dug us into such a deep hole that it will take a miracle and great effort to crawl out of. For all those negative people; I ask why didn't you make an effort to fix the problems? Since you didn't, put up or shut up!


Lu
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Unfortunately for this country, our so called congressional “leaders” are extremely ifnorant individuals. Not only has there been a dumbing down of the general population but the ones who have been elected have also become dunber and dumber. Not only do we as a majority not know our own history, but we are totally ignorant of world geography,culture and history. Fortunately for us and despite the vast ignorant masses, we finally have an intelligent leader who is trying to rectify the abysmal mess perpetrated by the past administration in foreign and domestic affairs. I wish him luck since the last person and his cronies dug us into such a deep hole that it will take a miracle and great effort to crawl out of. For all those negative people; I ask why didn't you make an effort to fix the problems? Since you didn't, put up or shut up!


noahtomt
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

If the truth be knowen both Repulbican and Democrate have fallowed the scrip of the Illuminante. They have conspired for 200 years to move us into a New World Order. They have been responsible for all the world wars since ww1. The Banking cartel has made huge profits from these wars. They do not care how many deaths result from war, all they care about is the interest they will make from lending money to Goverments involved in wars. Guess who are causing conflicks by their corupp influence? thats right the banking cartel controled by the elite rich. Wake up America!!! get informed read The creature from jackle Island by Griffin.

Thomas seeker of Truth!


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

” the government currently is responsible for less than two percent of the nation's industry/economy. “

I guess if you don't mind going to the government owned bank to get a government approved loan to buy a government owned, produced and approved car then it really is not that bad, of course that is much more than only 2% of our economy. Don't forget they are still promising to pay you when you retire with Social Security, and provide healthcare through Medicaid with the money that they spent 20 years ago mind you. Of course once the government completely takes over the healthcare industry, 19% of our economy, and the energy industry after cap and trade bankrupts them, another 15% of our economy, will that seem like too much to you ….or would you be OK with them taking even more of your Liberty away from you? What a great deal we are getting for the low low price of 50-60% of our earnings for all of the taxes we pay on just about everything we have contact with right now. (federal, state, and local added together)


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:12 pm

I'd like to know what the Trilateral Commission's role is in the demise of this country. The Federal Reserve is another sham, our currency is another sham, our economics is another sham. When will someone stand up and tell the truth? The question is will anyone listen? 31 million Americans watched the Jackson Memorial.

Are those same 31 million Americans even the slightest bit concerned about the shambles this nation is in?


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Well, we don't have to worry because we can all shoot back! ACORN a threat to democracy? ACORN is an organization of disenfranchised and neverenfranchised Americans at the margins of society. Please pick a more credible boogeyman if you want to be taken seriously.


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:15 am

tbrnotb,

you truly scare me, because like you say, you “… are trying to get our country back from the likes of you…”. you are trying to take the country away from half the population my friend, that shows your real color: a fascist, socialist, or a totalitarian (for your ideology). you want to push your little liberal social engineering (read socialism) down our throats, tell us how to think, and how to behave. that my friend, will never happen, as the rest of the population do use the head that sits on top of our shoulders, unlike you groupies and zombies that can’t think for themselves.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

Those words is bigguns!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:17 am

Patrick: I 100% agree with you. I am an American, but I have spent some time living outside of this country and understand your point of view better than most. Americans say this is the land of the free, but do not know that in most country’s foreigners experience the same freedoms. Most Americans do not know that there really is a small differance between Repub’s and Dem’s. And, you are right about Iraq. Many Americans now realize they were deceived. On another topic, why this dominance? Really? Like you I too do not understand why we need the size of military force? And this comes from a Veteran. In fact I am at least the third generation in my family that has served in the military with my father a Vietnam Vet. I love this country, but we do not need to be the “police” of the world. For instance, let the nations closest to North Korea deal with those issues. Is N. Korea really the threat to America as we think? Of course not.The European Union, Australia, China, and Japan should be the nations at the forefront of this crisis, not America.

Further, we have our ideals all screwed up and we sway with the wind regarding these ideals. We were born a nation of Christians. But now, some in this country think we should not declare Chistianity as our nations’ national religion in the same way we should not dare to proclaim English our national language. It is clear our founding fathers did not intend fior this false ideal to take hold. This country began on the shores of Virginia in 1907 and named the town Jamestown after the English Monarch, King James. These immigrants were God loving Anglican Christians. later came the Puritans near Boston. They came here to be free of religious prosecution from the Anglicans. moving forward in time, all of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were Christian and they never had to hide that fact. It is clear from the record that they wanted religious freedom. In fact Thomas Jefferson wrote, “I am for freedom of religion, and against all maneuvers to bring about a legal ascendency of one sect over another.” (Thomas Jefferson to Elbridge Gerry, 1799.) But to somehow shy away from the dear dear fact that we are a Christian nation. Just because we make Christianity the national religion does not mean there is “legal ascendancy of one sect over another.” If at some point we begin to turn away from our nations historical beginnings and beliefs, we as citizens have a right, and an obligation, to change the course of events to ensure we hold true to our original character. Again quoting Honorable Jefferson, he says “To secure these [inalienable] rights [to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness], governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed… Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.” (Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:429). Without quoting anyone else, (I think 2 quotes is enough) the rights of many should not be governed by a few. Therefore, although we need to be tolerable and respectful to other religions, we should not manipulate and perverse our laws to cater to the religious minority. And, it is our nations right to ensure we remain a majority. If you don’t like it, you should not have come here. Patrick: Thank you for your comments.


gcoranus
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

Germany was fascist. Fascism is form of conservatism. If America was like 1930s Germany at any point, it was under the Bush regime.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

No they are not concerned. Most of us Americans are consumers of nothingness. All is happening as Tocqueville feared. And a good time was had by all.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

Socialism? Like building roads and schools? Providing for the public defense? Protecting us from heartless corporate misdeeds? Socialism had become a meaningless word. It is mostly used as a perjorative term for escessive government involvement. Yes, we all love libertarian ideals… until Pearl Harbor is bombed or Katrina strikes or we have to fly somewhere.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Okay! Isn't about time for you to board the mothership?


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:21 am

I don’t know what the hell you’re saying. You need to write better dude. You don’t make any sense at all.


ishpurcell
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:21 pm

dimint he should know his family has long been assocaited with pro nazi views, he would just love for this country to go down that path, but we love our country more than a “DIN_WIT” every could.

Long live the usa. and screw the republicans


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:22 am

Jeb Bush. Oh,please! We,the citizens of Florida have been realizing the damage of Jeb’s governorship since he left office. Jeb Bush is only capable of stating that which the republican party has presented him with. He is the number one reason that his republican succsessor,Charlie Crist, will NEVER be able to run for a second term as Governor. Unfortunately in true republican fashion, Charlie Crist will run from this devastation that’s held together with rubber bands and chewing gum, and attempt to run for President.

Not to worry. Unlike the majority of citizens of Texas in 2000, we WILL make it very clear to the nation, how incompetant and corrupt OUR former governors were should either of them make an attempt to run for President.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:23 pm

I agreed with you the first time!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:25 am

I think you need to learn the difference between a national debt and a national deficit. America had plenty of debt pre Bush. I agree with the libertarian.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

Unfortunately, most smart people want nothing to do with running for office, and it is left to the egomaniacs who will do anything to get elected. The “simpler” your message, and the more it is directed to the baser instincts of society… namely, fear… the better your chance of being elected.


aynsof
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

No. They aren't.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:28 pm

Very well said. The only thing you left out is the fact that the politicians have voted themselves their own health insurance, which the people can't get, they are fully vested to retire from elected office after being reelected ONCE and the amount of their government pensions are staggering. It should come as a surprise to no one that they would be eager to vote for government power grabs that THEY will never have to endure. We the people have been lied to and stolen from for the better part of 100 years. The problem will only get worse as government intrudes more and more into our lives, and the activist judges that get appointed in the coming years rule that it is all constitutional because they are well rewarded for doing so as well.


peaceword
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:33 pm

04 Jul 2009
Subject 1: U.S. Supreme Court #08-9595 upcoming conference July / August re: US issued '$50,000 Torture-Death Sentence Rewards' TARGETING U.S. Soldier Prisoners of War vs.
US mega million life rewards for terrorists : http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php

Subject 2: U.S. Department of Justice decides Royal Families of Coalition in Iraq & Afghanistan answer to Imams of Great Mosques for Radiological Nuclear Crimes against Holy Kaaba :
U.S. Solicitor General Elana Kagan Litigation regarding Holy Kaaba Motion in U.S. Supreme Court #08-9595:

From: Kenneth MacKenzie 2314 Gentry, Houston, Texas 77009, USA , kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com; kenmackenzie2000@att.net 713-225-0123 ; (1) Nuclear Crime attacks against HOLY KAABA,
Mecca, Saudi Arabia of 'Hot' Radiation Evidence, © 2009, by Kenneth MacKenzie; SEE: http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php ; http://www.christianmenchaca.com/ ; Life Death Rewards

To: News & Editorials:

To: Attorney General Erik Holder, U.S. Department of Justice / U.S. Solicitor General Elana Kagan supremectbriefs@usdoj.gov ; SupremeCtBriefs@USDOJ.gov ; David Axelrod, The White House <info@messages.whitehouse.gov>

. . . Dear U.S. Attorney General Holder, U.S. Solicitor General Elana Kagan, Ladies & Gentlemen:

. . . As you know, this filed U.S. Supreme Court Case 08-9595 will be considered for Hearing by the court, July -Oct. 2009 when it returns from Summer recess.
. . . The family of PFC Kristian Menchaca, tortured to death in Iraq, 2006, has been threatened and is currently threatened with death by what appears to be a Terrorist retaliation against their

U.S. lawsuit naming U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and al Qaida as Party regarding the the torture death of my nephew PFC Kristian Menchaca. See: http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php ;

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/video-shows-… ;

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/behea… ;

After terrorists threatened Menchaca family with death, U.S. Department of Justice denied Menchaca family request for Crime Victim Protection; and, as consequence, I am motivated to file extensive

litigation in response that you continue to allow U.S. Attorney Johnson to threaten our lives by means of Fourteenth Amendment denial of equal protection of laws under the U.S. Victim / Witness Program.

. . . Consequently, The Menchaca Family is currently without protection of the US Department of Justice Crime Victim Program while Menchaca Family is litigating in U.S. Supreme Court under

U.S. Department of Justice threat of death by Terrorist Surrogates in the same patterend way that U.S. Soldiers were tortured to death by denial of Fourteenth Amendment equal protection of

“Life Reward” laws by the corrupt U.S. Department of Justice Bush Administration.

. . . You may notice that I have petitioned the Court to issue an “Order To Show Cause” to the U.S. Executive Branch to '…show cause' why it would be unlawful for me

to verbally, or in-print, issue a challenge to firearm duel directed at U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson, when there are no federal laws prohibiting dueling, and no federal laws prohibiting

challenges ever since U.S. Vice President Aaron Burr chllenged US Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton and Hamilton died in the duel that followed.

. . . The Menchaca family has been denied “Victim Protection” under more severe circumstances than Mafioso Sammy 'The Bull' Gravano who is provided protection under much less threat.

. . . U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson's manipulation of Fourteenth amendment equal protection denials using terrorist surrogates to deploy mass murder death against the family of Kristian Menchaca is far worse behavior

than the issues over which Arron Burr and Alexander Hamiltion dueled. You may expect me to exhaustively pursue extreme “Order-to-Show-Cause” dueling questions in the courts, including the Koranic Courts,

until the entire Washington snake pit is squirming like Hell. Dueling was, at one time, a lawfully extreme way to settle an offense; and, the U.S. Military did issue copies of the Dueling code to its personnel up to

the Civil War era.

. . . Furthermore, there are some issues that are so far beyond the the ability of justice to balance that a duel actually appears to be a rational solution, though obviously extreme. This is a very interesting subject,

which I do not mind litigating when we consider the extreme threat to the life of my family created by Bush-appointed U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson and his terrorist surrogates, both of whom seem to be representing you,

US Attorney General Erik Holder.

. . . You may expect this litigation to expand and intensify during the time frame that U.S. Attorney Johnson and U.S. Department of Justice continue to deny my family 14th Amendment equal protection of the laws.

. . . (1) Doesn't it strike you as perverse that the U.S. Department of Justice would protect Mafia with Victim / Witness Protection while denying Victim / Witness Protection to victims of terrorism and terrorist death threats?

. . . (2) Doesn't it also strike you as perverse that the U.S. Department of Justice would protect Terrorists with Mega-Million dollar life Rewards — http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/ — while denying captured U.S. $50,000

Reward valued American soldier “Prisoners of War” the same equal Protection of the same U.S. taxpayer money your Justice Department advertises as mega-million dollar Rewards that have the effect of saving the lives

of terrorists while one hundred percent of all US soldiers captured in Iraq have been tortured to death because of insufficient life slandering U.S. $50,000 Rewards that are effective death sentences that defame the life

value of American soldier “Prisoners of War” unto death?

. . . I voted for Barak Obama thinking he would rid us of the 'Bush Nazified Presidency.' Instead, Obama seems to be oblivious to the fact that his administration is saturated with Bush Sycophants who have been

administrating the U.S. Executive Branch ever since Obama took Office. Thus, we have an Obama President with a Bush Bureaucracy as exemplified by U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson's manipulated Fourteenth Amendment

“equal protection denials” so characteristic of the Bush Administration. This shamefully vile Bush influence even extends into news media censorship.

. . . The U.S. government has 'waived' right to defend itself in this important matter, which started under Bush Administration.

. . . This case regarding Bush's 'Culture of Torture' series of Geneva Convention War Crimes against captured U.S. soldier POW by means of slandering and defaming their “Reward Life Value” in violation of Geneva

Convention III of 1949 and Protocols of 1977 is also submitted to U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, U.N. ICC , Prosecutor, Case # OTP-CR-100/08. I will very soon submit all this

to the 'Defendant US & UK Corporations who are listed in my previously submitted Claims to the Saudi and Indonesian Ministeries of Justice. My non-fiction works and lawsuit Claims listed at

http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php will be submitted for consideration of Arabic & Persian language publishers in about one week or so.

. . . Being familiar with British censorship rules and so forth, I am not into wasting time in certain venues. My basic understated question in all of this is: “Will it fly someday?” For the moment, my

understated answer is that “it is better to settle and exit, rather than spend time on these issues.” Of course, if you do not mind the US Department of Justice and Imams taking responsibility for making

decisions on the Radiological contamination of the Holy Kaaba, a crime far worse than the wrongs alleged of Anwar Sadat related to the issues affecting cited parties, then you may continue to ignore all this

and watch my litigation possibly become a Volcano in the various Court venues. I have made every reasonable effort to settle and further litigation is entirely a consequence of U.S. DoJ criminal corruption.

. . .You have ignored all litigation, which you are able to ignore as U.S. Attorney General giving the impression that you are standing on your foreskin with both feet.

. . . The Muslims take the welfare of the Holy Kaaba much more seriously than most in Western culture seem to understand; and, you cannot ignore this as easily as issues you control in U.S. Court venues.

. . . I understand Muslim culture well enough to tell you that after you force all this to be presented for consideration to all the Great Mosque Koranic Courts of the Imams in the Middle East, you are going to be defending

more litigation beyond your 'worse case' nightmares regarding the Holy Kaaba and St. Peter's in Vatican, as I fully intend to continue filing litigation of these issues. See: http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php

Sincerely,

Kenneth MacKenzie, Uncle of PFC Kristian Vasquez Menchaca.


steve0718
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

Amakua1, Bush had at least 3 years of a republican majority–what did he get done except piss off the rest of the world and the vast majority of Americans that understand he was a complete jerk.


zepa21
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

Nothing like Germany before WWII?
Anyone who says that is a fool.
Read Fascist America, in 10 easy steps by Naomi Wolf.
1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy – al qaeda, created by the CIA
2. Create a gulag – GITMO as the centerpiece
3. Develop a thug caste – Blackwater in New Orleans
4. Set up an internal surveillance system – NSA warrant less surveillance. What Bush called, “terrorist surveillance program”.
5. Harass citizens' groups – CIA DOD spying on antiwar protesters. DHS declaring Ron Paul supports domestic terrorists.
For Christ sake people, we now have a department of homeland security.
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release – No fly lists populated with Americans who speak out against the government. One example, Professor, Marine, author of the book, Constitutional Democracy on a terrorist watch list for giving a lecture critical of Bush.
7. Target key individuals – One example. Bush administration purged eight US attorneys for what looks like insufficient political loyalty.
8. Control the press – Committee to Protect Journalists says arrests of US journalists are at an all-time high. Paying journalists to place news stories. Using General, still on the pentagon payrolls, to sell our wars to the public on CNN, FOX etc. Fake whitehouse correspondent James Dale Guckert.
9. Dissent equals treason – with the Military Commissions Act of 2006, the president has the authority to declare any American an “enemy combatant”.
10. Suspend the rule of law – John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007
The loss of Posse Comitatus Act and habeas corpus.
“A disturbing recent phenomenon in Washington is that laws that strike to the heart of American democracy have been passed in the dead of night … Beyond actual insurrection, the president may now use military troops as a domestic police force in response to a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, terrorist attack or any 'other condition'.”
Fools.


froggy1
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

In case you haven't noticed, your checks are not working. The same incompetent, biased, and in many cases ignorant people get elected over and over again. These “checks” were put in place long before anyone dreamed this nation would be filled with the simple, uneducated plebes it currently is full of and before mind numbing systems like this one that could lead such simpletons down any path they want them to go.

The best recent example is the Pied Piper chant of “Bush did it”. It is used to blame any current undesirable state and allows current leaders to duck their inability to deal with the problems. It avoids and substantive causal analysis. I'm amazed the guy has class enough not to throw stones at the current set of fools that insist on playing a blame game instead of standing up like statesmen (and women) and solving the real problems.

And yes, I do have more education than you and the system does favor and bias toward certain political perspectives.


Jackie
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:37 pm

In the three times that you posted this, could have at least gone back once and spelled “ignorant” right?


TMAN196344
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

I read and think about all the Diffrent views and can only say this.alot of the problems Bush delt with was left by Clinton.now he was a joke.and heres Obama.its not a ? of what has he done lately.the? is what has he done at all.answer a big fat zero.we as a Country have really out done ourselfs this time.we are in the worse shape we have been in years need more leadership then ever and what do we do.lets Elect the only person running that has never run anything and give him a Country to run.wow if it wasnt so sad it would be funny.no wonder all the other Countries are laughing at us and talking about us.doing what ever they please. testing what ever they want.when ever they want.until people stop looking at what party a person is DEMS or REP and start looking at the persons that can and that is able to run a nation all this other BS you all are complaining about means another big fat Zero.we are a country of no morals . we are all spoilled we are all Selfish.and this great Country we all talk about is falling all around us.we all need to stop worring and depending on our goverment to get us out of this and start looking for real answers all the gov does is take more rights away everyday. its all about power to both parties.the more they get the more we lose.wake up people. are is it to late?one can only hope not.


The True American
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:38 pm

A TAX POEM

At first I thought this was funny…then I realized the awful truth of
it. Be sure to read all the way to the end!

Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he's fed.

Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.

Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for
peanuts Anyway!

Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt..

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.

Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.

Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his a__.

Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won't be done
Till he has no dough.

When he screams and hollers,
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He's good and sore.

Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he's laid.

Put these words
upon his tomb,
' Taxes drove me
to my doom…'

When he's gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply
The inheritance tax.

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was
the most prosperous in the world.

We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in
the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

What in the world happened?

THE GOVERNMENT GREW

ALL GOVERNMENTS ARE UNNATURAL,
EVIL INSTITUTIONS – PERIOD.


ed777
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

Fascism is a belief in a big, centrally controlled government. In a fascist state the government controls the economy; education, medicine, pharmacuticals, and retirement are all under government control.

Conservativism is the belief in a small federal government. In a conservative governed state the people are free to choose whom and how to do business. The people are free to choose where to send their children to be educated, where they will go for health care and are responsible to to pay their own way.

Hitler was a National SOCIALIST. He, like all liberals, believed in a strong, centralized government that meddled in the economy. The people were not free to educated their children as they desired. They had to send them to state (public) schools for indoctrination. Businesses were regulated and controlled. Taxes were high. Hitler would have felt right at home in the Democratic party.


noahtomt
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

I do not have to. I have accepted Jesus Christ as my Savior. My Bible tells me I will be raptured out of here before it gets real bad like the predited ww3. If you would like to know how you can escape Satans rath e-mail me @noahtomt@yahoo.com and I will share how you to can know God by saying a simple prayer.

God Bless

p.s. I do believe God wants us to speak out about evil and to warn those whom have been led astray by them whom have given their lives over to the evil one. There is true freedom in a relationship with God. Not this worlds system as it is controled by Satan. He controls goverments through powers and principalities. My comments are from a human perspective. Like you I have a sprit in this vesel and this sprit serves the true God of the universe. Do you want that same assurance of eternal life? Then e-mail me and i will share true freedom with you. To know the truth and the truth will set you free.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross!”

Any one who is not blind or brainwashed can see what Bush and his cabal has done to America, and to say it has anything to do with Obama is purely projection of the wacko right to shift blame. Its the wacko right wingnut how are trying to destroy freedom in America and install religious law. The GOP should be renamed the ATP American Taliban Party.

PS: stop watching Fox News its rotting your brain.


Cptn_Crunch
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

America has been fighting the war for democracy since WWII. We have been looked up to because we have not been afraid to use the big stick. Teddy Roosevelt (who also spoke out on immigrants stating that there is no room for a 50/50 American – you either are or leave) used this approach before WWI.
Germany was fascist because of the econmic turmoil created by the great depression. It allowed Hitler to to set up “community organizations” that became the Nazi party (hmm ACORN?). These organizations roamed the cities and aligned people to their way of thinking by using their fears and insecurities against them. “The government knows best how to take care of you.” Sound familiar yet?
America had returned to its isolationist stance at the time and was licking its own wounds from the 1929 depression. Funny how a Democratic President subversively manipulated America's involvment through a government program known as “lend/lease”. Then Pearl Harbor happened.
History provides us with a map to the future if you know how to read it. The historical warning is simply that the current US social, economic and world environment mixed with the populations fears could lead us to a similar dramatic change that lead Germany into the Nazi regime. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
If you think that American leaders dont love power and that they desire more power, then you have not understood the lesson of history and we will be doomed.


Cptn_Crunch
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:41 pm

America has been fighting the war for democracy since WWII. We have been looked up to because we have not been afraid to use the big stick. Teddy Roosevelt (who also spoke out on immigrants stating that there is no room for a 50/50 American – you either are or leave) used this approach before WWI.
Germany was fascist because of the econmic turmoil created by the great depression. It allowed Hitler to to set up “community organizations” that became the Nazi party (hmm ACORN?). These organizations roamed the cities and aligned people to their way of thinking by using their fears and insecurities against them. “The government knows best how to take care of you.” Sound familiar yet?
America had returned to its isolationist stance at the time and was licking its own wounds from the 1929 depression. Funny how a Democratic President subversively manipulated America's involvment through a government program known as “lend/lease”. Then Pearl Harbor happened.
History provides us with a map to the future if you know how to read it. The historical warning is simply that the current US social, economic and world environment mixed with the populations fears could lead us to a similar dramatic change that lead Germany into the Nazi regime. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
If you think that American leaders dont love power and that they desire more power, then you have not understood the lesson of history and we will be doomed.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:42 pm

You couldn't be more wrong. Conservatism is the belief that government should be LIMITED. If you ever bother to read our Constitution you will see the very defintion of conservatism spelled out in it. The federal government of the United States was granted only LIMITED powers by the states. The Statists in this country who feel that an all powerful federal government would be an improvement in their lives have been pushing federal intrusion into private lives for decades, none of it is constitutional, but since FDR packed the supreme court with leftists they have made many rulings against the people and the constitution and in favor of an all powerful centralised federal government. Fascism is merely a form of Socialism, Marxism, Totalitarianism. They ALL share the belief that government knows what is best for the people, the people themselves cannot be trusted with the freedom to choose for themselves how to live their lives. The lie that you are trying to perpetuate is that one form of leftist socialism is somehow diametrically opposed to another form of leftist socialism. It is simply not true. Here it is in a nutshell – conservatives belive that they know what is best for themselves, liberals feel that only the government is capable of telling people what os best for them.


Cptn_Crunch
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:43 pm

My family has paid the price for your freedom. I lost my oldest son in Iraq. While I miss him, he stood up for what he believed was right and offered himself as a way to make a difference, I would let him join again just for that reason.


cdc09
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:44 pm

for a man who has just taken office about 6 mos. ago, Obama seems like the scapegoat for Americas problems. HE didn't send us to a no-win war, HE didn't create mass economic stability, i think we know who did!! if there was an easy solution it would have been done!!


spreadingthetruth
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:47 am

Being that i’m active military myself, I can say personally that you couldn’t be more wrong about what Obama is doing with the military. First, your wrong about Gitmo as one, it is closing: prisoners are already being transfered out. Not to mention that Obama’s ordered an investigation into and records are being released. Your just being stupid there.

2) Obama has always said he will send more troops to Afghanistan as that is were al-Qaeda is and he still sees the group as a threat. If you weren’t paying attention during the election, that was always part of the plan.

3) If i’m not mistaken, the troops in Iraq are getting pulled out as we speak. Why else has control of iraqi cities been returned to the government there. why else are the streets bare of american soldiers.

learn your facts about whats going on in the military before you start spewing crap.


Mark
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross!”

Best said here yet!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:49 am

Stop it? The majority in congress openly support it. I just had to call my representative and tell him that he was out of a job as far as I am concerned for his vote for the cap and trade bill and that I will be actively supporting his oponent in 2010. It helped my blood pressure, but he can still do a lot of damage before he gets thrown out….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:49 am

You can make up your own definitions for words all you like, but that won’t help you understand what is going on in the world. I’d like to bandy words with you, but if you won’t accept basic definitions there is no point; it would be like discussing math with someone who refuses to accept that 1 + 1 = 2. Since you mentioned the 2nd Amendment, which is in part about militias (and well regulated militias no less); I guess you are a socialist by your own definition since you favor collective action through government regulated collectives.


Name required.
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:50 pm

Republicans are getting stranger by the day.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:51 am

You are an idiot. CANADA, a second rate nation??? Are you kidding me? Comments like that from Americans like you, embarrass those of us who have respect for other nations. The guy is 100% correct on his ideals. Lets be clear…we are a great nation, but we are not the greatest nation. Patriotism should be embraced, but ignorance and idiocy should not. Our founding father had the deepest respect for many other country’s around the world including our northern cousins. By the way (BTW) if you haven’t seen this lately because your head is in the sand, China makes more money than we do; China loans money to our government-not the other way around; most of the stuff you buy at Macy’s, Walmart, or Home Depot comes form China. China has taller skyscrapers than we do; Chinese children outperform in academics than American children. SHALL I KEEP GOING?


josefpeterroemer
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

First of all Iran is not a socialist country it is a Dictatorial Theocracy, so much for the advice from someone from Iran. As far as Germany goes, if the USA would be like Germany today it would be a great place to live in. The Senator does not seem to get out much does he?, then again being a republican, most likely an undereducated one(like most republicans) his point of view is understandable ignorant people do not know any better.


lewmanbubba
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

power grab like george bush's elections you mean


MimiR
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

Um. Yeah. He was an ACORN lawyer back when it was instrumental in shoving bad loans down the throats of the banks. The current economic crisis was largely created by the media, but once it gained speed, there was no stopping it despite attempts to declare that everything could go back now because their candidate won. It's being continued by the poor actions of Congress and, YES, the current president.

Oh, yeah, and the no-win war? You mean the one that we won, right?

But it was what drove us in to debt, right? Um, NO. Try looking at the increase in spending on social programs hammered through by Congress versus the cost of the war. The difference will surprise you.


josefpeterroemer
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

There is a sucker and fool born every day, the war had nothing to do with freedom!!!!. Sorry to hear about your son, but your comments are just plain ignorant, then again blind followers will do anything.


mark
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

“When fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross!”

When Fox News triggers another one of their brain washed sleeper SS death troops to murder more innocent Americans, the new phrase to conservatives will be 'don't murder me bro'.


AndroidBoy420
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:54 pm

All of these comments address the particulars of the issue. I would like to cut below the surface.
To me a prime example of what's wrong with this country is Marijuana Prohibition. It is generally held that prohibition doesn't work…look at the violence on the Mexican Border. Alcohol-related criminal activity is non-existant today, because it's legal, controlled and taxed. Most people don't really care one way or the other. This question was one of the most asked at Obama's website, yet he gave it the brush off, saying we must be high. Talk about insulting!
Some will say that there are health risks, that it's dangerous, etc.
BS. Cannabis would never get a black box warning, and doesn't cause gambling addiction or sleep driving–both (as well as death) are side effects from legal medications. Many states have passed Medical Marijuana laws, yet the Feds keep on busting dispensaries.
Health concerns non-existant?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez
There's the website. It's official. Feel free to look up anything you want on alcohol and THC. Decide for yourself which is more dangerous.
Another core issue is our failure to hold American Ideals (human rights) higher than low prices.
Example–China. China is NOT WORTHY of our patronage. Poison Toys, censorship, torture, executions of political and religious figures, selling the organs from these people…how much are you willing to pay so you can save a dime? Our idealogical foundations have been undercut so far that a slide into tyranny seems inevitable. I know many ex-pats and I am seriously considering joining them.
Perhaps Amsterdam.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:55 am

Don’t give Obama that much credit! He DID state that he would raise taxes during the election. It was pointed out many times that he wants to cut-out the Bush taxcuts (the tax cuts that EVERYONE WHO EARNS A PAYCHECK GOT). All I can say is, “Mitt Romney is gonna be a busy man in 2012!”


josefpeterroemer
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

The Versailles Treaty is what brought on WWII not the depression. America fights wars for self Interest, not because it loves all the people in the world.


jeffmanup
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

but I bet you voted for Bush both times. Everything you said Conservatism is, Bush was not.

and no, liberals do not need people to think for us, we want people to leave us alone and let us do our own thing, something the far right refuses to do. they want to control what people say and think.


Goldm of Sprague
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Perhaps this loss of freedom may have a silver lining. What all the border control people could not do, tyranny will make perspective immigrants think twice about coming to the USA. Oh, the irony of immigration reform. The media and consumer electronics industry are doing an excellent job of keeping the public well doped. After all, it is merely a group of people who hold graduate degrees in the arts and sciences of propaganda.

As for the revolution part, if anyone has not noticed, gun and ammunition purchases are soaring for this very reason. If one has been denied a firearms purchase permit and (s)he has no money to hire a trainload of attorneys to restore that Individual Right, there remain few options. Expatriation is not a choice. The rest of the world has been progressing lockstep toward tyranny so no other nation attract ill-affected native born Americans. It's come to the point that it has become 'unwise' to buy gasoline other than fueling one's vehicle. Filling (too m)any fuel cans is now a 'tripwire purchase' that gets reported to law enforcement. Even buying 'too much' or certain combinations of household chemicals can be reported. One so much looks at bags of fertilizer in a Home Depot gets ratted out.

Since U.S v. Cruikshank and Presser v. Illinois, the courts over the decades understood precisely why the Second Amendment was not to be incorporated with the rest of the Bill of Rights. They know that it is a doomsday clause recognizing and enshrining the Jeffersonian duopoly on the legitimate use of violence.


Shannon
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

Of course they don't. They are ignorant sheeple who are babysat by the media, while plans and agendas are furthered behind their backs.


kevin
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

true when your stoned you really don't care about anything except where your next buzz is coming from.


cdc09
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

exactly what was won, iraq's indepedence? Did we find the location of those WMD? just because Bush was on a boat with a huge banner!! And when he was shoving these bad loans why didn't a republican-led congress pass a measure to stop it? Because they knew they weren't gonna win the upcoming election & the would have a built in excuse


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:59 am

Well said! Absolutely perfectly articulated! Contrary to what the guy below said, the liberals don’t do their own thinking and also they do tell people what to think and they do want to control what others think and do. The point is, to the liberal, a liberal is the only one that can think for themselves and knows it all, and therefore by virtue of that, everyone else (read non liberal) should follow what he says. This is their inherent sickness, a narcissistic self-indulgence, and the arrogance of thinking that they know best.


Charleston
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:00 pm

DeMint is from South Carolina which probably has the worst education system in the country so he doesn't know the difference between facism, communism and socialism. Either they didn't teach that or he was absent thatday. Also rememeber DeMint is a supporter of Mark Sanford.. he is the South Carolina govenor who has trouble keeping his pants on while preaching family values. Maybe DeMint should see if Sanford's mistress has a sister he can visit in Argentina because he certainly has no idea what he is talking about here. Just another lost republican shooting his uneducated mouth off to other uneducated racist, gunslinging religious fanatic republicans. You know “the real Americans” as Sarah Palin would call them. His ignorance is a further embarrassment to South Carolina.


josefpeterroemer
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

Actually of you where to study History, there was no middle class at that time you speak of. The middle class was started after world war two. The days you speak of there where the well to do and the workers, no middle class.

On the agreeing side of your comment, yes that is true, Governments start wars, not the people, the people are made to believe it is for their own good that you must die in battle.

Actually the Gov guy doesn't want to lose his power so you have to go fight for him and his rich buddies who make money from all the wars. You, you are fighting for protecting freedom, that is what you are told. And if you don't go fight they will put you in front of a firing squad.


cathyv
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

how can you call Hitler a liberal? HE WAS A HOMICIDAL MANIAC.


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:03 pm

I pray for you and your son in your loss. And while I respect your son's sacrifice and his idealism, the cause of freedom was not advanced by the war in Iraq. Iraq was never a threat to us. And to invade a sovereign nation, no matter how despotic, is not the act of a freedom loving nation. The result will be a theocratic “democracy” with less freedom than the Baathist dictatorship that it replaced. The Iraqis do not want the type of government or freedoms that we take for granted.


Daniel Simpkins
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:04 am

You are so right Mary , I was absolutely certain the Bush gang would manufacture “another” 9/11 event before the election last year and declare Martial Law so they could continue their rape of the treasury and finish shredding the Constitution. I think the only reason it didn’t happen was because they realized they had fucked up the country so badly that it would take another 30 years to straighten it back up and they didn’t want to be in charge when the country decended into anarchy. Don’t pay attention to ignorant inbred assholes like ccompton . We know there only about three types of people who inhabit the Republican party. The poor uneducated fools that are not smart enough to see how they are being used and abused by the Republican politicians preaching the Gays,Guns and God bullshit. (Do they actually believe God speaks to the likes of the Oral Roberts, the Jerry Falwells , the John Hagee type assholes and GOD FORBID !! even George W. Bush himself?? )

The enrepentent racists that enmass changed political parties after Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic party passed the civil rights acts. Most Republican politicians in the south are nothing but the Klu Klux Klan in business suits!

The third type are the Money Changers. Yea, the same type that Jesus threw out of the temple.
They are the greedy bastards that want to privatize the whole system of goverment so that instead of the government making decisions that will benefit the common good it will benefit them and their political croneys. They have bought and paid for the politicians who work for them and they buy in both parties.
We’re actually no different than the Latin American countries that have a few families and corporations controlling entire country to their benefit. The Bush family has been doing this for generations. Look for the next Bush asshole(Jeb) to run in the next few years.
Mussellini said fascism should be called corporatism and he was right because its nothing but a corporate run country . The wars we fight aren’t for our freedom, they are fought for the freedom for our corporations to go into other countries and extract the wealth of that country by buying off the politicians we put in power in that country like we do our own!


josefpeterroemer
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:04 pm

Well said to most comments


lewmanbubba
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Well said and this new guy ain't changing anything is he it's bush in black face some joke


watersisland
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

For anyone to believe that Democrats or President Obama are responsible for our nations huge debt, deficit,financial crisis,and subsequent temporary conservator of banks,and General Motors,—- they would also have to believe that the fireman that saves a family's children from a house fire is guilty of kidnapping.

Either Rep DeMint is totally ignorant of the political spectrum of left and right, or he believes that the American people are totally ignorant. I believe he thinks people are as stupid as he is. Nazi's were the FAR RIGHT of the political spectrum(with communism being the FAR LEFT) as taught in any political science or history course in the world. Adolph Hitlers use of the term “socialist” was as accurate as the Bush administrations term of “Clean Air” as in “Clean Air Act”; only a deceptive term to fool ignorant people.

The HUNDREDS of Billions, which eventually add up to TRILLIONS that the Bush administration used to pay for the Iraq war—including an endless line of duffel bags of untraceable cash that were brought over to Iraq, the abandoned Afghanistan war, the absurd Medicare prescription drug program that was a payoff for the pharmaceutical industry, the tens of BILLIONS to pay for New Orleans Hurricane damage that eventually only lined the pockets of Haliburton and other Bush political supporters while New Orleans actually received pennies,and an additional TRILLION dollars that went to Goldman Sach's and the rest of Wall Streets Finest as the financial markets started to show the results of the “deregulation” that the republicans had fought for since Reagan's years ——-were all as a direct result of the Bush administrations doings, along with the majority lock step republican house and senate that endorsed his requests for the six of the eight years he held the “White House”.

Mr DeMint is delusional and is appealing to the ignorance of the delusional following that the republicans have had as supporters since gaining control of the Congress in 1994. Sadly for Mr.DeMint, the public is wising up; they will not be buying his propaganda, or his book.


tqmek
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:05 pm

Wow, suddenly the GOP care about spending, where were they when they spent over trillion dollars to execute Saddam, what did we got from that, do we feel any safer ?


josefpeterroemer
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

You got that right on the nose, Bush & Company was just like the communists, Hoenecker, Putin etc. I know I lived in East Germany under Ulbricht.


bocapope
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

Fascism & Communism were never really practiced in their true idea, they were just excuses for a political party to grab power. People should know the difference that Fascism is supposed to be far conservative and Communism is supposed to be advanced liberalism.
Now just because each person on Fox news says to the contrary repeatedly, it does not make it so. Thats just the angle they are playing.
Unfortunately, this country is in the fatal grip of big money that still has their own greed and not the USA as their top and only priority. Obama is showing that he, even as president cannot overcome this. He is pecking around their edges hoping they will come to do the right thing and they just dig in deeper.
A revolution may need to take place a decade from now, but it will not be because of Liberals or real conservatives. It will be because these windbags like DeMint are always covering for big money interests in the name of “free” capitalism. Listen to what they are saying… Isn't it odd that they are always protecting corporate interests while turning facts around to say someone else is?


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

But that was never in the budget, so I guess it doesn't exist.


peaceword
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

04 Jul 2009
Subject 1: U.S. Supreme Court #08-9595 upcoming conference July / August re: US issued '$50,000 Torture-Death Sentence Rewards' TARGETING U.S. Soldier Prisoners of War vs.
US mega million life rewards for terrorists : http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php
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IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

Washington, DC 20543-0001, meritsbriefs@supremecourt.gov

Kenneth MacKenzie, Guadalupe Vasquez. . . . . }

Caesar Vasquez Menchaca, (Petitioners) . . . . ..}

v. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .} No. 08-9595

United States (Respondent), . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .} U.S. Supreme Court Rule 44:

U.S. SOLICITOR GENERAL ELANA. . . . . . . . . } PETITION FOR REHEARING

KAGAN, Counsel for Respondent, . . . . . . . . . . .}

(Respondents) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .}

Rule 44: PETITION FOR REHEARING OF A PETITION FOR WRIT OF CERTIORARI TO U.S. COURT OF APPEAL FOR THE FIFTH CIRCUIT

. . . This Petition is presented in good faith and not for delay. Grounds for this petition are limited to intervening circumstances of substantial effect and substantial related grounds do exist, not previously presented, indicating Holy Kaaba in Mecca and St. Peter's in Vatican-Rome are under siege-threat of “Nuclear Crime” contaminations easily available to 'Jose Padilla type Nuclear Jihad militias' obtaining 'Hot' Radiological terrorist weapons from abandoned Uranium mining ore tailings that assay upward of 30% Uranium content and emanate deadly 50 to 100 m/R hr. radiation counts. SEE: http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php

. . .The names and locations of several of many easily accessed abandoned Uranium mines are: (1) Mi Vida Mine, San Juan Co., Utah, USA. (2) Poison Canyon, McKinley Co., New Mexico, USA. (3) South Terras Mine, Cornwall, England, UK.; (4) Shinkolobwe Mine, Katanga, Congo, DRC (5) Baghalchur Mine, Baghalchur village, Pakistan ; (6) Fanay & Margnac mines, Limousin, France, all not guarded.

. . . The U.S. Supreme Court Clerk notified Plaintiffs that this court had scheduled 04 May 2009 as the date by which Briefs in Opposition could be filed with this court, but the Clerk never notified

Petitioners that this Court had shortened the decision time period to 01 May 2009 .

. . . In compliance with the Clerk's previous '04 May' notification, Plaintiffs did electronically file the following described documents at Supplemental Brief s On The Merits at U.S. Supreme Court's Washington, DC 20543, electronic address, meritsbriefs@supremecourt.gov :

Supplemental Brief “08-9595 tssb MacKenzie,Vasquez, Menchaca, 11 PM, May 1st, 2009

“08-9595 tssb MacKenzie, Vasquez, Menchaca #2, filed on May 2nd, 2009

“08-9595 tssb MacKenzie, Vasquez, Menchaca #3, filed on May 2nd, 2009

“08-9595 tssb MacKenzie, Vasquez, Menchaca #5, filed on May 2nd 2009

“08-9595 tssb MacKenzie, Vasquez, Menchaca #6, filed on May 3rd, 2009.

. . . Plaintiffs also filed paper hard copies of these Briefs, which the Clerk stamped as received on May 4, 2009 when he returned one of them to Petitioner MacKenzie. However, this

U.S. Supreme Court made its denial of Plaintiff's Certiorari Petition on May 01, 2009, without reading one word of said foregoing 'U.S. Supreme Ct. Rule 15 Supplemental Briefs' as

said Supplemental Briefs had been electronically posted with the court from 11 PM, May 1st, 2009 to May 3rd, 2009, and posted in hard paper copy on May 04, 2009, the date this

U.S. Supreme Court had set for briefs to be posted. Hence, this court ruled prematurely on May 01, 2009 without forewarning Plaintiffs it had changed the date. Court Clerk should

have notified plaintiffs of the date change.

. . . Said Briefs were intended to inform this Court that Plaintiffs were litigating this matter in The U.S. Supreme Court under U.S. Attorney Johnson's (Houston) manipulated threat of

death by means of Johnson denying U.S. Victim/Witness Protection Program to the Terrorist victimized and threatened Menchaca family, a family clearly terrorism-victimized but

receiving less Victim Protection than was accorded to Mafioso Trigger Man, “Sammy “The Bull' Gravano.” Plaintiffs had received the following death threat by eMail after filing their

Geneva Convention War Crime lawsuit against U.S. Department of Justice and former U.S. Attorney General Gonzales:

“. . .SOMEONE YOU CALL YOUR FRIEND, WANTS YOU DEAD.

I felt very sorry and bad for you, that your life is going to end like this if you don't comply, i was paid to eliminate you and I have to do it within 10 days. . .. . .And the person have spent a lot of money on this,

the person also came to us and told us that he wants you dead and he provided us your names, photograph and other necessary information we needed about you. Meanwhile, I have sent my boys to track

you down and they have carried out the necessary investigation needed for the operation. Right now my men are monitoring you, their eyes are on you. Warning: do not think of contacting the police or even

tell anyone because I will extend it to any member of your family since you are aware that somebody want you dead, and the person knows some members of your family as well.

(deathandlife@biz.by) Mr .John Itali. [End Quote]

. . . This U.S. Supreme Court did not interpret or even apply U.S. Constitutional law in its May 1st, 2009 decision to deny U.S. Constitution Fourteenth Amendment equal Protection of U.S. Reward laws on

behalf of U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, who this court is “well aware ” would suffer torture-death as a consequence of this uninformed court's abrogation of responsibility to interpret the U.S. Constitution

14th Amendment.

. . .This “Nuclear Crime” threat condition will eventually lead to discovery of Radiological Contamination at Holy Kaaba that could likely inspire “Trials in Absentia” of 'presumptively- responsible figureheads'

at the Great Mosques in the Middle East, including the British Queen identified as part of the British leadership group deemed responsible for British Military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan. Both of the

Queen's Grandsons, Prince William and Prince Harry, did serve in the British Military in Afghanistan and could also be tried in absentia by the Imams of the Great Mosques as responsive to Radiological

contamination of the Holy Kaaba.

. . .The chain of logic connecting the British Queen to Radiological contamination of the Holy Kaaba is straightforward if the designation of the Queen as figurehead representing the

British nation is meant to be an effective Muslim response to the fact that she did 'not ' use her influence to object to the presence of British Military in the Middle East leading to stealth

Radiological attack contamination of the Holy Kaaba in Mecca and Mosque of the Prophet in Medina; and, the Queen, instead, could be viewed by Muslim Holy men as having encouraged

her two grandsons to appear as representing a British Military presence in Afghanistan that resulted in “Nuclear Crime targeting” the Holy Kaaba by various groups operating against

the British and U.S. presence in the Middle East. Trying the Queen and Royal Prince William and Prince Harry of England in the venues of the Great Mosques as was Anwar Sadat

is a logical response to the UK presence in the Middle East and makes a statement that will very possibly be of great concern to 1.5 Billion people of Islam as entirely caused by

and driven by the U.S. Justice Department and U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson who appear to be enemies of the Holy Kaaba in their efforts to suppress revelation of United States Crimes

and British Crimes against the Holy Kaaba.

. . .U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson's United States Department of Justice efforts to manipulate the above Terrorist – threatened deaths of the Kristian Menchaca family were yet another 14th Amendment

denial of equal protection applied in the same pattern of 14th Amendment Equal Protection denials previously administratively applied by U.S. Attorney Generals Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey at various

times to manipulate the torture deaths of said captured U.S. Soldier Prisoners of War, PFC Kristian Menchaca, PFC Thomas Tucker, PFC Joseph Anziak, Sgt. Keith Maupin, PFC Byron Fouty, Spec. Alex Jimenez.

. . . The better alternative to avoid confrontation of War Crime Hearings under Koranic Law in the Great Mosques throughout the Middle East is to avoid 'pandemonium' by settling this matter early before it

unnecessarily worsens to become trials in the Great Mosques as described herein resulting from refusals of U.S. Justice Department to cease its criminal efforts to manipulate Terrorists to kill the Menchaca

family who have filed U.S. Lawsuit H-08-60 complaining that the Holy Kaaba and Mosque of the Prophet are likely Nuclear Crime contaminated as result of U.S. and U.K. War presence in Iraq and Afghanistan

and that said “Nuclear Crime” Radiological contaminations will eventually be found at the Holy Kaaba and Mosque of the Prophet.

. . Absent U.S. settlement of these matters, 'Fatwa' trials in the Great Mosques under purview of the Imams would take place if a logical connection can be rationalized to try any person

in the Royal Family or try a U.S. Corporation or try a U.S. entity inspiring Nuclear Crimes that have damaged the Holy Kaaba or will ultimately damage Holy Kaaba and will ultimately

'Nuclear Crime' damage the U.S. & UK as attempted by Jose Padilla.

. . An Imam-issued verdict against a member of the Royal family would likely result in further pandemonium and riots that are a most unnecessary consequence for the Royal family to face when this

matter should never become the U.S.-Department-of-Justice-caused subject of Koranic law trials by Imams in the several Great Mosques throughout the Middle East.

. . Further submission to Imams of the Great Mosques regarding “Nuclear Crimes” against Holy Kaaba could be avoided should current U.S. Administration settle this matter and thereby not unnecessarily

cause the Queen of England to be exposed to scrutiny of the Imams of the Great Mosques by 'Trial in Absentia.' Moreover, Koranic law trials in the Great Mosques could be applied to Prince William and

Prince Harry as well as to other allies of the U.S. and UK, such as Queen Sonja of Norway, a member of the Western War Coalition in Iraq and Afghanistan, who are perceived by Muslim Imams to be in

the chain of responsibility for causing Radiological poisoning to the Holy Kaaba and Mosque of the Prophet. Potential of 1.5 million people of Islam reacting in pandemonium against the UK and US is the

certain likely consequence of a U.S.-Department-of-Justice 'indirectly or directly' caused “Nuclear Crime” attack inflicting Radiological contamination on the Holy Kaaba when the agendas of the several

groups at war in the Middle East are understood .

. . Therefore, Petitioners Motion that this Court issue Protective Orders on behalf of the British Queen and Queen Sonja of Norway and Order U.S. Executive Branch to show Cause

why it should or should not expose British Queen Elizabeth and Queen Sonja of Norway and Prime Minister Nouri Maliki of Iraq and President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan to Fatwa

decisions by Imams of the Great Mosques throughout the Middle East. It should be noted that the Imams of the Great Mosques could also apply the same rationales to consider

Queen Sonja of Norway as bearing responsibility should the Holy Kaaba be revealed as Radiologically contaminated with easily available Radiological Uranium / Radium contaminants.

. . .The U.S. Department of Justice is unnecessarily forcing all of these extreme litigation questions toward litigation before the Imams of the Great Mosques to consider the 'Nuclear Crime'

threats to the Holy Kaaba. This completely unnecessary U.S. Department of Justice caused problem could be easily solved in ethical settlement of Petitioners lawful claims by applying jury

issued verdicts as case law to settle Petitioner's said Claims to bring this litigation to closure; and, Petitioners request appointment of an Ombudsman for supervising settlement and

closure of this litigation .

. . . The U.S. Dept. of Justice as represented by U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson refusing to allow Victim protection program for the terrorist death-threatened family of PFC Kristian Menchaca death-and exposing the

Menchaca family to consequences of above said Terrorists death threats made against the Menchaca family and the U.S. Dept. of Justice further refusing settlement of Petitioner's Claim does expose the Menchaca

family to constant threat of death in an apparent effort by U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson of the U.S. Justice Department to discourage the Menchaca family from litigation of its Geneva Convention wrongful death Claims

against the U.S. Justice Department and effort by the U.S. Justice Department to discourage Menchaca family from litigation against the notorious former U.S. Attorney General Gonzales in an apparent effort by the

U.S. Justice Department to eliminate the Menchaca family by means of motivating Terrorist surrogates in essentially the same manner as Attorneys General Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey manipulated Administrative

murders by applying $50,000 Death Rewards as Fourteenth Amendment denials of equal reward protections that Attorneys General Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey were informed would absolutely and without question

motivate Terrorist Insurgents to torture to death U.S. Army PFC Kristian Menchaca, PFC Thomas Tucker, PFC Joseph Anziak, Sgt. Keith Maupin, PFC Byron Fouty, Spec. Alex Jimenez.

. . .If the Holy Kaaba is Radiologically poisoned as a consequence of U.S. Private Corporation (Halliburton Corporation presence in Saudi Arabia & so forth) & U.S. Military presence in the Middle East, then those associated with the U.S. efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan become 'marked' by all Muslims worldwide as responsible for the 'Nuclear Crime poisoning' of the Holy Kaaba..

. . . Of Question 1: Will the Muslim members of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's own Bodyguard ('Praetorian Guard') and Military “who kneel and pray five times per day facing the Holy Kaaba,” blame U.S. ally Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's behavior as essentially “worse behavior” than former Egyptian President Anwar Sadat's and blame al-Maliki in relation to the “Nuclear Crimes” that may already have been inflicted against the Holy Kaaba or blame al-Maliki in relation to the “Nuclear Crimes” that exist or “will” most certainly be eventually inflicted by the Russians or some deranged persons against the Holy Kaaba as explained in this U.S. Supreme Court litigation?

. . . Of Question 2: Will members of President Hamid Karzai's Bodyguard ('Praetorian Guard') and Military, “who kneel & pray five times a day facing Holy Kaaba,” blame President Hamid Karzai's behavior as essentially “worse behavior” than former Egyptian President Anwar Sadat's in relation to “Nuclear Crimes” that may already have been inflicted against Holy Kaaba, or blame Karzai's behavior in relation to the “Nuclear Crimes” that eventually will “most certainly” be inflicted against Holy Kaaba as explained in Petitioners' U.S. Supreme Court litigation?

. . . Of Question 3: Of course, considering that U.S. Department of Justice continues to perpetrate its crimes against the Menchaca family via U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson's attempted surrogate murders patterned on the same denials of 14th Amendment protections as Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey-Miller inflicted on captured U.S. Soldier Prisoners of War and, of course, considering the 'ripple effect' of U.S. Attorney Johnson's daily perpetrations to motivate Johnson's 'surrogate' terrorist murder efforts against the Menchaca family, by Johnson implementing denials of “14th Amendment equal protection” then it is most appropriate to file these complaints to the Imams and Mullahs in the Mosques throughout the Middle East to respond to the U.S. Department of Justice. See non-fiction books by Petitioner at : http://www.christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php

. . . Of Question 4: Plaintiffs move that U.S. Supreme Court issue a “Protective Order” to the U.S. Executive Branch to not fail to provide additional security for the life of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki of Iraq and issue another “Protective Order” to the U.S. Executive Branch to not fail to provide additional security for the life of President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan and issue a third Order to not fail to protect the Queen of England and issue a fourth Order to not fail to protect Queen Sonja of Norway from “Trial in Absentia” under jurisdiction of the Koranic Courts of the Great Mosques throughout Middle East.

. Of Question 5: Considering “Ripple Effect” of “Nuclear Crimes” that lethally contaminate the Holy Kaaba in much worse condition than this U.S. Supreme Court was Anthrax contaminated about the time of 9/11, it is also appropriate to request that the U.S. provide additional protection to its other allies, including the British Queen.

. . . Petitioners request this Court to read Petitioners' Supplemental Briefs of 01 May 2009 through 04 May 2009 submitted to this court that this court did not read as it decided Petitioners Petition for Writ of Certiorari prior to arrival of these Supplemental Briefs at the U.S. Supreme Court, which were intended to inform this Court that Plaintiffs were additionally litigating this matter as submitted for Reward decisions on lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War (POW) to the Minister of Justice for Saudi Arabi, to the Minister of Justice for Italy and Rome, to Minister of Justice for Indonesia, to Minister of Justice for Yemen, and to Minister of Justice for Abu Dhabi, to United Arab Emirates, of Plaintiffs' Radiological Crime Tort Claims.

. . Plaintiffs alleged in said Supplemental Briefs that in accordance with Bush's said WMD Claims alleging Saddam's Nuclear WMD were concealed in Iraq and cities of Middle East Nations, it is most reasonable to consider that said U.S. Soldiers PFC Kristian Menchaca, PFC Thomas Tucker, PFC Joseph Anziak, Sgt. Keith Maupin, PFC Byron Fouty, Spec. Alex Jimenez were protecting the city of Mecca, location of the Holy Kaaba, and protecting the city of Medina, location of the”Mosque of the Prophet,” second holiest site in Islam, the site of the actual burial tomb of Mohamed, himself . Said U.S. Soldiers were protecting these cities and others from “Nuclear Crime” consequences that could lead to “Nuclear Crime” contamination of said “Nuclear Crime” target U.S. and UK corporations that could also lead to “Cross-contaminate” the Holy Kaaba with life-destroying Radiological Poisons and lead to the same Radiological contamination in Italy and Rome, thereby also lethally contaminating St. Peter's with Radiological poisons.

. Therefore, the same questions to this Court are also currently submitted under Koranic law to Ministers of Justice in Saudi Arabia and Middle East countries alleging that said “private-property -U.S.-corporations,” in the Middle East and in Italy and Rome and in other Western countries, under Koranic law, owe a debt of responsibility to post and pay mega million dollar “Ransoms and Rewards” for the Reward life value of “captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” equal to the Reward life value posted by the U.S. government for Terrorist Insurgents who have been advertised since 2006 as worth Mega Million dollar rewards at U.S. Department of Justice and at U.S. Department of State Internet “REWARDS FOR JUSTICE PROGRAMS.” http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/ ; http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page… ;

. . . This U.S. Supreme Court issued what appears to be an incompletely considered political “denial” on this U.S. Constitutional “Reward Equality” matter, 01 May 2009 , marked by its support of said U.S. “$50,000 Death Sentence Rewards” against U.S. soldier Prisoners of War proven to have been “administratively murdered” by means of said U.S. “$50,000 Death Sentence Rewards” that criminally 'motivated' Terrorist surrogates' to 'torture-murder' all one hundred percent of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in Iraq in criminal violation of Geneva Convention III 'prohibitions' of “Death Sentences” and “Death Defamations” of the life value of “U.S. soldier Prisoners of War.”

. . . The fact is that said U.S. “$50,000 Death Sentence Rewards” have proven to become “$50,000 Death Sentence Rewards” in that “all one hundred percent of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War ” were cursed with U.S. $50,000 Death Rewards” in Iraq, thereby denying U.S. 14th Amendment Equal Protection to U.S. soldier Prisoners of War who were tortured to death and murdered as a consequence of said Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey deliberately 'designed' and inflicted “$50,000 Death Rewards” deliberately manipulated unto death by said U.S. Executive Branch War Criminals.

. . . Yet, during the same time period, all one hundred percent of captured Terrorist Insurgent Prisoners of War in Iraq were life-saved by said mega-million dollar rewards offered by U.S. Department of State Internet “REWARDS FOR JUSTICE PROGRAMS,”

. . .In its erroneous and premature May 1st, 2009 denial of U.S. Fourteenth Amendment equal Protection of U.S. Reward laws on behalf of U.S. soldier Prisoners of War during the current “Wars” in Iraq and Afghanistan, this U.S. Supreme Court ignored the fact that the United States has continuously offered said $50,000 Rewards for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War (“POW”) that have motivated and caused Terrorist captors to torture to death and murder all 100 percent of U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, thus illustrating said U.S. $50,000 Rewards, in truth, are “SENTENCES OF DEATH.”

. . .This court had many alternative options available to apply its jurisdiction to “EQUALIZE” said U.S. offered $50,000 Rewards for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, under the equal protection clause of U.S. Constitution Fourteenth Amendment, which this court ignored.

. . . Instead, this U.S. Supreme Court 'denied' Petitioners and thereby denied future captured U.S. Prisoners of War their U.S. Constitutional right to be “Reward Equal” as stated in this Certiorari Petition and thereby default-selected the current and most harmful “U.S. “$50,000 Death Sentence Rewards” to continue to destroy captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War by means of torture death, wherein, by its denial, this U.S. Supreme Court is unequally valuing captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War at lesser life value than enemy terrorists fighting against the United States. In its 01 May 2009 Fourteenth Amendment denial against captured U.S. soldier POW, this U.S. Supreme Court issued an unethical 'political denial' against the life values of U.S. soldier Prisoners of War that will be recorded in U.S. history as more characteristic of a blood-soaked Hitlerian Beast than of an ethical U.S. Court of Constitutional Law. Moreover, several of this Court's Justice positions are Bush nominees and should have recused themselves.

. No “volunteer” Soldier in the U.S. Military, knowing he has been first deliberately life-devalued by the U.S. Bush government and next ignored by the U.S. government of President Barak Obama and U.S. Attorney General Erik Holder unto “U.S. “$50,000 Death Sentence Rewards,” will want to fight against any enemy that U.S. government Officials of the Bush Administration have assigned at higher Reward life-values of “Mega-Million Dollar Rewards from $5 Million to $25 Million dollars. Said 14th Amendment Reward treasons against U.S. soldier Prisoners of War have extended from the Bush U.S. Executive Branch removal of Geneva Convention and U.S. Constitution Protection to the U.S. Supreme Court judiciary who, like “Third Reich Henchmen,” have ignored treachery of said “U.S. “$50,000 Death Sentence Rewards” as said Death Sentence Rewards operate to torture to death U.S. soldier Prisoners of War .

. . . Few U.S. Soldiers will want to fight under such treasonable reward conditions once they are informed that U.S. government War Criminals and this U.S. Supreme Court view them as worth having less life value than terrorist enemies of the United States valued at higher reward amounts that save terrorist lives.

. .Currently, all “volunteer” U.S. Soldiers in the U.S. Military are not informed of said “U.S. “$50,000 Death Sentence Reward” treachery at their “voluntary enlistment” as it is being operated against their lives by the U.S. government who has corruptly betrayed captured U.S. Soldier Prisoners of War and will corruptly betray them again at capture .

. . . It is obvious that said “U.S. “$50,000 Death Sentence Rewards” could be math 'balanced' unto an “equal-condition” by lowering the Reward life value of terrorist insurgents and increasing Reward life values for U.S. soldier Prisoners of War or balanced by other means.

. . .U.S. soldier prisoners of War were 'directly and indirectly' administratively surrogate-murdered by U.S. Attorneys General Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey and U.S. District Judge Gray Miller who administered said $50,000 Death Sentence Rewards and watched as audience in the United States while said U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in Iraq were tortured & hacked to death by terrorists effectively acting as murderer-surrogates of Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey & U.S. Judge Miller (see: Supplemental Brief on Miller) under said U.S.-Executive Branch manipulated $50,000 Death Sentence Rewards.

. . . Therefore, Petitioners request that the Bush appointees in this Court remove themselves from deciding on this matter as they are clearly in conflict-of-interest due to the fact that said 'Death Reward' conditions that operated against all one hundred percent of U.S. soldier Prisoners of War occurred as a consequence of said Bush Administration designed $50,000 Death Sentence Rewards against U.S. soldier prisoners of War who were 'administratively murdered' by U.S. Attorneys General Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey and U.S. District Judge Gray Miller, all who watched from their U.S. government offices while said U.S. soldier prisoners of War were tortured to death in Iraq.

. . . In said Supplemental Briefs “08-9595 tssb MacKenzie,Vasquez, Menchaca, Plaintiffs did motion that this U.S. Supreme Court issue “Orders to Show Cause” to the U.S Executive Branch why U.S Executive Branch should offer “to assist” or “not assist” in defense regarding the potential of Radiological Crimes against the Holy Kaaba in Saudi Arabia and against Holy St. Peters in Vatican City-State as said “Nuclear Crimes” most certainly will occur within the context of U.S. profiteering Private Corporation business presence,' in Middle East and Italy .

. . . Should Holy St. Peters become “Nuclear Crime” cross-contaminated as the consequence of a Radiological attack against the presence of U.S. Corporations doing business in Italy and Rome, then it is certain that 18 percent of the earth's population, 1.3 Billion Catholics, will be extremely concerned about the responsibility of the United States in contributing to said “Nuclear Crimes.”

. . . Should the Holy Kaaba similarly become “Nuclear Crime” cross-contaminated, then it is certain that 20 percent of the earth's population, 1.5 Billion Muslims, will also be extremely concerned about the responsibility of the United States in contributing to said “Nuclear Crimes.”

. . .Plaintiff has filed International War Crime Complaints to this United States Supreme Court under Docket number 08-9595 and has filed the same complaints with U.S. District Court, Southern District of Texas, alleging a War Crime Complaint against U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson, said Complaint captioned in accordance with forms provided by U.S. District Courts.

. . . These Complaints have been concurrently filed with U.N. International Criminal Court, ICC, Prosecutor, case # otp-cr-100/08, the Hague, the Netherlands.”

. . . Petitioners' said crime complaints to the International Criminal Court — ICC — are responses to “U.S. Attorney Employee Tim Johnson's (Bush Administration) 'direct and indirect' (See: 'RICO Act' language) attempts to 'Administratively Mass Murder' by means of motivating Criminals to murder the entire Christian Menchaca family” and are part of Petitioners' series of efforts to expose Johnson's administratively manipulated murder efforts by reason of Petitioners litigating against “U.S. Attorney Employee Johnson's” corrupt and criminal U.S. Department of Justice rationales in U.S. courts, and litigating against Johnson's criminal corruption in 'ALL' courts of the Middle East to expose Johnson's murderous criminal corruption against the family of Kristian Menchaca and explaining how Johnson's murderous criminal corruption relates to the U.S. presence in Iraq and Afghanistan, which U.S. presence in Iraq and Afghanistan is known to be the root cause of increased potential and threat of Radiological contamination against the Holy KAABA.

. . . MacKenzie's said in-court litigation efforts are responses to “U.S. Attorney Employee Tim Johnson's (Bush Appointee) 'direct and indirect' (See: 'RICO Act' language) attempts to “Administratively Mass Murder' the entire family of PFC Christian Menchaca” in denying them Victim/Witness Protection from Criminal reprisals engineered by U.S. Atty. Johnson's manipulated efforts / attempts of Mass Murder & Title 18 U.S. Code Crime offenses of 'Tampering' and 'Retaliation' to create U.S. justice Department manipulated fear and threats against the family of PFC Kristian Menchaca.

. . . LITIGATING RADIOLOGICAL PROTECTION FOR HOLY KAABA, MECCAH , & RADIOLOGICAL PROTECTION FOR ST. PETER'S, VATICAN :

. . . US Atty. Johnson's “Victim Protection denial” was most obviously perpetrated to manipulate Terrorists as 'Johnson's surrogate criminals' to attack the unprotected PFC Christian Menchaca family as a U.S. Justice Department response against the Christian Menchaca family's U.S. Claim submitted to the U.S. Executive Branch & U.S. Court Case H-08-60 and obviously perpetrated as US Atty. Johnson's “Victim Protection denial” to dissuade Petitioner Menchaca Family's filing and litigation of U.S. Supreme Court # 08-9595; and, said US Atty. Johnson's “Victim Protection denial” is also obviously a replica of the same type of (1) U.S. Executive Branch and ” U.S.- administration-manipulated-murder-by-surrogate wherein (2) vile death-causing denial-of-fourteenth-Amendment protection was corruptly perpetrated by U.S. Executive Branch Attorney Generals Ashcroft-Gonzales and Mukasey against captured U.S. Prisoners of War and also (3) perpetrated by U.S. Judge Gray Miller, appointee of President GW Bush, against captured U.S. Prisoners of War to manipulate terrorists as surrogate murderers who murdered U.S. soldier Prisoners of War due to manipulated U.S. Reward insufficiencies deliberately done to illustrate that the Bush Administration was intent on sacrificing the lives of captured U.S. Prisoners of War to prove the Bush motto “the U.S. does not deal with terrorists.”

. .Thus, U.S. Executive Branch Attorney Generals Gonzales and Mukasey and Judge Gray Miller were all able to criminally manipulate torture deaths against captured U.S. Prisoners of War by all of them using the technique of denying the same 14th Amendment equal protection clause of the U.S. Constitution in a manner that assured Terrorist Insurgents would torture to death U.S. Army PFC Kristian Menchaca, PFC Thomas Tucker, PFC Joseph Anziak, Sgt. Keith Maupin, PFC Byron Fouty, Spec. Alex Jimenez as consequence of 14th Amendment denials by Gonzales-Mukasey-Miller.

. . . Currently, US Attorney Johnson is applying the same 14th Amendment denial of “equal protection contributing to and causing “fourteenth Amendment torture-death” threats against the Menchaca family as were 'applied-unto-death' by Attorney Generals Gonzales and Mukasey and Judge Gray Miller against said captured U.S. Prisoners of War, U.S. Army PFC Kristian Menchaca, PFC Thomas Tucker, PFC Joseph Anziak, Sgt. Keith Maupin, PFC Byron Fouty, Spec. Alex Jimenez. Thus, this readily recognized U.S. Executive Branch administrative application of the same 14th Amendment denial of “equal protection causing “fourteenth Amendment torture-deaths” against captured U.S. Prisoners of War should be stopped in its tracks and not be allowed by this court to continue as a most evil and treacherous “14th-Amendment-denial-treason” against the military soldiers of the United States during wartime, more bloody and treasonable than any treason of Benedict Arnold whose offense was a plan to surrender West Point to the British, a plan never consummated like the skulking “14th-Amendment-denial-treasons” created by the Bush Administration under Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey and the self-anointed U.S. District judge Miller, outside his ministerial scope proscribed under USC Title 28 § 455, and operated against unsuspecting men and women of the U.S. armed forces and now apparently allowed by the Obama Administration to continue in effect.

The truth is that all captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War were tortured to death as the consequence of heavily and intensely and repetitively manipulated denials of their 'Fourteenth Amendment Constitutional right to equal life rewards,' denied to be equal to the same life rewards the U.S. offered for Terrorist Prisoners of War, U.S. POW denied equal life opportunities to survive capture as the U.S. repeatedly offered on behalf of “at-large” Terrorist Insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan and the U.S. continues to offer said “Death Sentence Rewards” in a manner that denies U.S. soldier Prisoners of War 'U.S. Fourteenth Amendment Constitutional rights' to be assigned equal life rewards equal to terrorist enemies of the United States during War.

. . . Petitioners seek to present these reward issues in crime complaint information to a U.S. grand jury, which has been ignored, concealed, and obstructed from the view of a Grand Jury by U.S. Attorney General, obstructed by U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson and denied by U.S. Judge Gray Miller usurping jurisdiction and acting in conflict of interest outside his ministerial and discretionary scope of United States District Court Case No. H-08-60, obstructed by FBI Director Mueller, and obstructed by former Attorney General Mukasey.

. . . In anticipation that the U.S. Department of justice will continue ignore this matter, thereby necessitating petition regarding said “Nuclear Crimes” of this matter to the Imams of the Great Mosques throughout the Middle East, Petitioner MacKenzie requests this Supreme Court to issue “Life-Protective-Orders” to the U.S. Executive Branch to protect the lives of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki of Iraq and President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan in anticipation of such Koranic law litigation and requests this court further issue “Life-Protective-Orders” to the U.S. Executive Branch to protect the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War with Rewards equal to those $25 Million the U.S. Executive Branch offers for Terrorists.

. . Wherefore, Petitioners request this Court to issue a Protective Order to protect the lives of Menchaca family until U.S. Attorney Johnson's manipulated surrogate-crime threats are no longer an issue.

. Petitioners request this Court to issue a Protective Order to protect Holy Kaaba in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, from “Nuclear Crime” attack related to U.S. War-prosecution in Iraq and Afghanistan.

. . . Petitioners request this Court to issue a Protective Order to protect the Tomb of the Prophet

Mohamed in Medina, Saudi Arabia from said “Nuclear Crime” attack related to the U.S. War prosecution in Iraq and Afghanistan.

. . . Petitioners request this Court to issue a Protective Order to protect Holy St. Peter's

from “Nuclear Crime” attacks related to U.S. War prosecution in Iraq & Afghanistan.

. . . Petitioners request this Court to issue to Defendant an Order to Show Cause why the

U.S. should or should not offer “Radiological Crime” Protection to said Holy shrines in Saudi Arabia, Vatican, Italy and Rome.

. . . Petitioners request this Court to issue to Defendant an Order to Show Cause why the

U.S. should or should not offer “Radiological Crime” Protection to the U.S. Business

Entities in Mecca & Medina, Saudi Arabia and in Italy in an effort to protect Holy Kaaba, protect the Mosque of the Prophet, protect Holy St. Peter's and protect all pilgrims visiting these Holy Shrines from Radiological Cross-Contamination as is expected to come from Radiological attack against U.S. Business property in Mecca & Medina, Saudi Arabia and Rome, Vatican, and Italy.

. . . Petitioners request this Court to issue to Defendant and to fifty US state governors to “show cause” why they should not forewarn U.S. federal troops and State National Guard troops of said insufficient “$50,000 'Death' Rewards” that impact State Guard troops 'federalized' into federal military of the United States, further warning said Volunteers for military service that they could be tortured to death as were all captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in Iraq.

. . . Petitioners request this Court to issue to Defendant and to fifty U.S. state governors and to U.S. Attorney General and U.S. Secretary of State an “Order to 'Show Cause' ” why U.S. Bush administration “fifty thousand dollar torture-death 'rewards'” offered by U.S. for captured U.S. soldier prisoners of war should continue to remain in effect after the Bush administration has vacated office of presidency of the United States.

. . . Petitioners request this Supreme Court to appoint a Special Counsel to litigate future issues of this matter in United States District Court. Petitioners also request this U.S. Supreme Court to recuse U.S. district Judge Gray Miller from further jurisdiction in conflict of Interest in U.S. Case H-08-60 as Petitioners have filed Crime Complaints against Miller in this U.S. Supreme Court 08-9595 and filed War crime Complaints pending against Miller in the the United Nations International criminal Court –ICC — under Prosecutor case # otp-cr-100/08.

. . . Petitioner Kenneth MacKenzie swears under penalty of perjury that the foregoing information is true.

Petitioner / Complainant’s signature : S/ Kenneth MacKenzie,

Printed name : Kenneth MacKenzie;

Title : Petitioner / Complainant, 2314 Gentry, Houston, TX 77009; H: 713-225-0123, Cell: 281-684-6028 ; eMail: kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com ; Date: 06 June 2009

X X X X X X X X

From: Kenneth MacKenzie 2314 Gentry, Houston, Texas 77009, USA , kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com; kenmackenzie2000@att.net 713-225-0123 ; (1) Nuclear Crime attacks against HOLY KAABA, Mecca,
Saudi Arabia of 'Hot' Radiation Evidence, © 2009, by Kenneth MacKenzie; SEE: http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php ;

To: David Axelrod, The White House <info@messages.whitehouse.gov>

DEAR SUPREME COURT CLERK SUTER:

The attached Motion to Waive Restriction of Rule 44 & allow this enclosed and attached same attached 'Redacted' Motion in PDF format

is a “life and death issue” ; and, Petitioners request that this “life and death Terrorist issue” be presented to the U.S. Supreme Court for

its consideration at variance of Rule 44 as an urgent and emergency “life and deathTerrorist issue” Brief: 08-9595 tssb MacKenzie, Vasquez,

Menchaca # 7 Rehear Motion Protect Family Duel Question – Redacted; 08 & 13 June

Sincerely,
Kenneth MacKenzie

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Washington, DC 20543-0001, meritsbriefs@supremecourt.gov No. 08-9595
Kenneth MacKenzie, Guadalupe Vasquez.} MOTION TO WAIVE RESTRICTIONS OF USSC RULE 44 TO
Caesar Vasquez Menchaca, (Petitioners) . } ALLOW PETITIONER'S MOTION FOR “ORDER TO SHOW
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . } CAUSE” ON PETITIONER'S 02 MAY & 08 JUN 2009 CRIME
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . } REPORTS OF QUESTION ON PETITIONER'S EFFORTS TO
VERSUS. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . } PROTECT KRISTIAN MENCHACA FAMILY BY SEEKING
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . } “ORDER TO SHOW” CAUSE WHY CHALLENGE TO FIREARM
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . } DUEL IS UNLAWFUL AS SELF DEFENSE OF FAMILY FROM
United States (Respondent), . . . . . . . . .} U.S. ATTORNEY JOHNSON'S ATTEMPT MURDER BY MEANS
U.S. SOLICITOR GENERAL ELANA . .. } OF U.S. ATTORNEY DENIAL OF VICTIM PROTECTION FROM
KAGAN, Counsel for Respondent, . . . . .} TERRORIST DEATH THREAT THEREBY USING TERRORISTS
(Respondents) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . } AS MEANS TO MURDER FAMILY OF KRISTIAN MENCHACA
________________________________________________________________________________
. . .REDACTED MOTION FOR ORDER TO WAIVE RESTRICTIONS OF USSC RULE 44 TO ALLOW PETITIONER'S
MOTION FOR “ORDER TO SHOW CAUSE” TO BE ISSUED TO U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIK HOLDER AND
PRESIDENT BARAK OBAMA TO SHOW CAUSE WHY IT IS UNLAWFUL OR NOT UNLAWFUL FOR PETITIONER
KENNETH MACKENZIE TO ISSUE A CHALLENGE TO A FIREARM DUEL, FACE-TO-FACE, WITH U.S. ATTORNEY
TIM JOHNSON OVER ISSUE OF SELF-PROTECTION OF THE PFC KRISTIAN MENCHACA FAMILY FROM U.S. ATTORNEY
TIM JOHNSON'S ATTEMPT- MURDER EFFORTS AGAINST THE MENCHACA FAMILY BY DENYING THEM 14TH
AMENDMENT PROTECTION FROM TERRORST ANNOUNCED INTENTIONS TO MASS MURDER THE PFC KRISTIAN
MENCHACA FAMILY IN JOHNSON APPLYING EXACTLY THE SAME PATTERNS OF “14TH AMENDMENT EQUAL
PROTECTION DENIALS” PREVIOUSLY ADMINISTRATIVELY APPLIED BY U.S. ATTORNEY GENERALS ASHCROFT-GONZALES-MUKASEY
TO MANIPULATE & THEREBY USING TERRORISTS AS MEANS TO INFLICT THE TORTURE DEATHS OF SAID CAPTURED
U.S. SOLDIER PRISONERS OF WAR, PFC KRISTIAN MENCHACA, PFC THOMAS TUCKER, PFC JOSEPH ANZIAK, SGT. KEITH MAUPIN,
PFC BYRON FOUTY, SPEC. ALEX JIMENEZ , BY DENYING CAPTURED U.S. SOLDIER PRISONERS OF WAR 14TH AMENDMENT EQUAL
MEGA MILLION DOLLAR LIFE-SAVING REWARDS, THE SAME EQUALITY AS U.S. ASSIGNS TO TERRORISTS. http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php
. . . Petitioners informed this United States Supreme Court with Briefs submitted within the Court's specified time frame prior to 04 May 2009 that
U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson had denied them the Victim Protection available under the U.S. Victim / Witness Protection Act Program and they were
facing Terrorist murder as a consequence. This Court never saw these Briefs as it denied Petitioners' Petition For Writ of Certiorari, 01 May 2009,
prematurely prior to its own announced deadline for receiving Briefs on 04 May 2009, said Briefs arriving at this Court between 11PM, 01 May 2009
and 04 May 2009 after this court issued its decision on 01 May 2009.
. . . Said Briefs were intended to inform this Court that Plaintiffs were litigating this matter in The U.S. Supreme Court under U.S. Attorney Johnson's
(Houston) manipulated threat of death by means of Johnson denying U.S. Victim/Witness Protection Program to the Terrorist victimized and threatened
Menchaca family, a family clearly terrorism-victimized but receiving less Victim Protection than was accorded to Mafioso Trigger Man, “Sammy “The Bull' Gravano.”
Plaintiffs had received the following death threat by eMail after filing their Geneva Convention War Crime lawsuit against U.S. Department of Justice
and former U.S. Attorney General Gonzales:
“. . .SOMEONE YOU CALL YOUR FRIEND, WANTS YOU DEAD.
I felt very sorry and bad for you, that your life is going to end like this if you don't comply, i was paid to eliminate you and I have to do it within 10 days.
. .. . .And the person have spent a lot of money on this, the person also came to us and told us that he wants you dead and he provided us your names,
photograph and other necessary information we needed about you. Meanwhile, I have sent my boys to track you down and they have carried out the
necessary investigation needed for the operation. Right now my men are monitoring you, their eyes are on you. Warning: do not think of contacting
the police or even tell anyone because I will extend it to any member of your family since you are aware that somebody want you dead, and the person
knows some members of your family as well.
(deathandlife@biz.by) Mr .John Itali. ” [End Quote]
. . . As further explanation: After his Army leave finished in the USA, May 2006, PFC Kristian Menchaca
returned to Iraq in June 2006 and was eventually captured together with PFC Thomas Tucker by 'al Shura Nuclear Jihad ' Terrorists who
barbarically tortured both to death from 16 Jun to 19 Jun 2006 as the U.S. offered merely $50,000, a “$50,000 Death Sentence Reward” for
each of their lives after PFC Kristian Menchaca and PFC Thomas Tucker were denied by the U.S. Executive Branch of President George
Bush the same Mega Million dollar Reward equality as the U.S. offers exclusively to save the lives of Terrorists at U.S. Department of
Justice and at U.S. Department of State Internet “REWARDS FOR JUSTICE PROGRAMS.
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page… ; http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/
. . . . PFC Kristian Menchaca and PFC Thomas Tucker were fighting to stop Nuclear Crime Radiological attack against the United States
and against U.S. Corporation properties in the Middle East and Europe that would have undoubtedly produced catastrophic Radiological attack
cross-contamination of land, people, and nearby
businesses that become collateral victims of Nuclear Crimes in countries attacked with Radiological “Nuclear Crime” poisons. U.S. attorney
Johnson was informed that Petitioners were litigating issues the overwhelming liklihood that the Holy Kaaba of all of Islam in Mecca,
Saudi Arabia and The Mosque of the Prophet Mohamed in Medina, Saudi Arabia and were both “Nuclear Crime” contaminated as the
consequence of the United States's and British United Kingdom's Expeditionary Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan; and, Petitioners were
alleging that U.S. Corporations established as business entities in the Middle East were aware they were attracting Jose Padillia style
“Nuclear Crimes” — 'Radiological Contamination' — against their premises which could easily “Radiologically Cross-contaminate” the
Holy Kaaba and Mosque of the Prophet with Radiological waste freely available from abandoned Uranium mines in Pakistan, in Iran,
Africa, England, France and in the United States. Plaintiffs say that U.S. Attorney Johnson's motives were obviously connected to the
past Bush Administration passion for secrecy regarding “Nuclear Crime” issues that Bush concealed from the American people as well
as concealed from people of the Middle East and Saudi Arabia, all victims of Bush obsessed “Nuclear Crime” secrecy. And, Bush's
Water Board tortures were connected to said “Nuclear Crime” questions in the United States.
. . .U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson's 'United-States-Department-of-Justice' efforts to manipulate said Terrorist – threatened deaths
of the Kristian Menchaca family after they were Terrorist-death-threatened were yet another most unnecessary 'United-States-Department-of-Justice'
14th Amendment denial against American citizens of equal protection of the laws applied in the same previous pattern of Bush Administration '
14th Amendment Equal Protection denials' murderously applied by Bush U.S. Attorney Generals Ashcroft-Gonzales-Mukasey at various
times to manipulate the torture deaths of said captured U.S. Soldier Prisoners of War, PFC Kristian Menchaca, PFC Thomas Tucker, PFC Joseph Anziak,
Sgt. Keith Maupin, PFC Byron Fouty, Spec. Alex Jimenez.
. . . Petitioner Kenneth MacKenzie says it is most reasonable for any American citizen to protect his family from the criminal depredations of
U.S. government employees and terrorists acting against the lives of his family and against the lives of captured United States soldier Prisoners Of War;
and, a challenge to duel a criminal over these issues is most emphatically not a violation of law during wartime when the circumstances are considered.
. . . Wherefore, Petitioners request this Court to issue this requested “Order To Show Cause” to U.S. Attorney General Erik Holder to show cause why
it is 'unlawful' that MacKenzie challenge U.S. Attorney Johnson to duel in an effort by MacKenzie to protect the family of PFC Kristian Menchaca from
Johnson's “attempted murders” as indicated.
. . . Petitioner Kenneth MacKenzie swears under penalty of perjury that the foregoing information is true.
Petitioner / Complainant’s Printed name : Kenneth MacKenzie; signature : S/ Kenneth MacKenzie,
Title : Petitioner / Complainant, 2314 Gentry, Houston, TX 77009; H: 713-225-0123, Cell: 281-684-6028 ;
eMail: kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com ; Date: 08 June 2009


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

Communism, facism, and socialism are systems of government. They are not inherently right or left, conservative or liberal, contrary to what we labelers all like to believe.


alix777
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:11 pm

I find it funny that the party that ran the largest most secretive government in our nation's history (not to mention who are responsible for more civil liberties lost than ever before) have the audacity to even say that we are in the 11th hour of freedom.


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

That is the joy and curse of democracy… the people get the government that they deserve.


johnbirm03
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:13 pm

Ben-Dover is a GOP term for spirtuality, but not exactly homosexuality, like it, but just different. In the GOP world felatio is okay, and does not appoint one as homosexual, based simply upon felation implied. In the New World GOP, one isalso able to be a “little bit” pregnant (a pill is availble for that too) The point is toward “contradiction” and the GOP has embraced contradiction with both hands & feet (like a hairless chijhuaua bat pup) leading the bi-partisan charge toward Social Democracy that has occurred, perniciously, since 1973…it began with Carter, but was vigilantly enabled heretofore, by both parties (will using scare tactics, panic, smoke screens of world war) as distractors


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

The problem with closing the borders with that fence is that you trap people on both sides. Guns are not hard to buy. That is why the Mexican cartels buy them here.


AndroidBoy420
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:15 pm

100 years ago there was no interstate highway system. There WERE robber barons and lots of lawlessness. People lived, worked and died within a 12 mile radius. Industry was what you did at home to produce your own fabric. What happened? The industrial revolution happened my friend. If you like the idea of a pre-industrial lifestyle there are a lot of African countries where you can find it. Pump the water out of the ground for free. Do a year's worth of work, rather that buying it (cheaply) by the gallon. Never worry about BPA–there's no plastic anyway. Same stands for gas, utilities, telephones, vehicles, watercraft, inventory, schools…get my point?
The taxation of intoxicants is usually very popular. In most places cigarette taxes have been pushed over $1 a pack by popular vote. Hell, I'd like to smoke some taxed cannabis! At least I could stay out of jail.
Unemployment is a drag, but not a tax. And when I'm jobless, it helps alot.
All that telephone stuff is BS. Totally with you on that.
Government evil? It's a tool, like a gun. It's what people do with that tool…that's evil.


hugo
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

If anything is threatening American Democracy it's out of control Capitalist profiteering and de-facto control of government through donations and lobbying. There has always been a high level of 'corporate welfare' and it's only when government money is used to help individuals that people like DeMint have a problem with it.

Maybe he should speak to immigrants from Socially Democratic Sweden, or Canada, with a 'socialist' healthcare insurance system.


visible
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:17 pm

what crap! wen the republicans under george bush and his administration and wall street buddies fiance mngrs there and all of them got so scared about what all this great capitalist problems, had cosed, even despite the housing thing which every one had a piece of the pie R & D , and even a lot of capitalistic rip off banks , so wat why dont pipol wake up and fess up to the realization as to what a extreme capitalist racist envitornment has led us to.. the disease has been exposed, so cut the BS about some immigrant from iran and the brain washing, just a desperate attempt.. though i will not say criticism is bad but be honest and stop trying to steal!!! i feel some socilaistic ideas are neccesary that does not mean we are cuba or germany, america has not been heaven to a lot of pipol, the hypocracy really stinks.. get real!!!


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

Funny ha ha or funny strange?


rbegonia54
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

You are an embarrassment to me…I did not lose a child in the war, but I am offended by people like you whose only recourse is to call people names and repeat the same tired phrases about being followers! YOU SIR are the ultimate follower..shame on you!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:20 am

You have to understand that he’s another one of the many, gimme, gimme, gimme clan that likes handouts from the government rather than being human. It’s easy to hand feed most animals.


josuha
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

I think if you do some research, it was both parties that voted for the 'Patriot Act'.
Both parties voted for war.
Both parties voted for government to be a partner in corporations (fascism).
Both parties stood by while our rights were eroded for one 'good' cause after another.

The position we are in did not come about in all of a sudden.

It was a slow transition like a frog being boil in water.

The frog does'nt know it's dieing, or that it is for dinner.


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:20 pm

I think he just failed geography. Germany and the United States are in completely different hemispheres!


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

I dare you to name ONE personal Liberty that Obama has RETURNED to the people. How about one new freedom that he has instilled? What can I do today that was illegal/forbidden 7 months ago? All he has done is increase the size of the federal government, and he is just getting started. The deficit has grown more in the last 6 months than in our enitre history combined, and what do we have to show for it? A bankrupt government seeking new ways to steal our money and freedom to pay for it all. We all lose more of our Liberty every day, but far too many are too stupid to realize it.


AndroidBoy420
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

Perhaps there is more than one way to fascism? Spain and Japan were also fascist. Why no talk of what led THEM down that path?
One of the primary features of fascism is a harkening to the “Good Old Days”. Germany had the tradition of the Teutonic Knight, Japan the Busido of the Samurai. I don't know what Spain looked back to…probably the days of the Conquisadors or the repulsion of the Moors.
I notice that the Nazis in particular had a thing for flags. Driving up and down my streets I see a flag hanging from every telephone pole and streetlight. That scares me, because what am I going to do? Complain to my city council that they put up too many flags? I'd be castigated!


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

If I was an Iranian immigrant, I would be more worried about the state of democracy back there than here. Of course, if he voted for DeMint, he got someone as bright and competent as his President back home.


tpreitzel
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

I agree with DeMint, but he needs to clarify his remarks, i.e. hold the Republican party just as accountable for our loss of freedom as the Democratic party.


michelle1980
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

AN OPEN LETTER TO PRESIDENT OBAMA

By Lou Pritchett

Dear President Obama:

You are the thirteenth President under whom I have lived and unlike any of the others, you truly scare me.

You scare me because after months of exposure, I know nothing about you.

You scare me because I do not know how you paid for your expensive Ivy League education and your upscale lifestyle and housing with no visible signs of support.

You scare me because you did not spend the formative years of youth growing up in America and culturally you are not an American.

You scare me because you have never run a company or met a payroll.

You scare me because you have never had military experience, thus don't understand it at its core.

You scare me because you lack humility and 'class', always blaming others.

You scare me because for over half your life you have aligned yourself with radical extremists who hate America and you refuse to publicly denounce these radicals who wish to see America fail.

You scare me because you are a cheerleader for the 'blame America' crowd and deliver this message abroad.

You scare me because you want to change America to a European style country where the government sector dominates instead of the private sector.

You scare me because you want to replace our health care system with a government controlled one.

You scare me because you prefer 'wind mills' to responsibly capitalizing on our own vast oil, coal and shale reserves.

You scare me because you want to kill the American capitalist goose that lays the golden egg which provides the highest standard of living in the world.

You scare me because you have begun to use 'extortion' tactics against certain banks and corporations.

You scare me because your own political party shrinks from challenging you on your wild and irresponsible spending proposals.

You scare me because you will not openly listen to or even consider opposing points of view from intelligent people.

You scare me because you falsely believe that you are both omnipotent and omniscient.

You scare me because the media gives you a free pass on everything you do.

You scare me because you demonize and want to silence the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Relllys and Becks who offer opposing, conservative points of view.

You scare me because you prefer controlling over governing.

Finally, you scare me because if you serve a second term I will probably not feel safe in writing a similar letter in 8 years.

Lou Pritchett

Note: Lou Pritchett is a former vice president of Procter & Gamble whose career at that company spanned 36 years before his retirement in 1989, and he is the author of the 1995 business book, Stop Paddling & Start Rocking the Boat.

Mr. Pritchett confirmed that he was indeed the author of the much-circulated “open letter.” “I did write the 'you scare me' letter. I sent it to the NY Times but they never acknowledged or published it. However, it hit the internet and according to the ‘experts’ has had over 500,000 hits.

——————————————————————————–

.American Family Association – Tupelo, MS 38803

http://www.afa.net


Leslie D'Amico
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:25 pm

The USA is not going Communist or Fascist, they are so 20th century. We are going to be a “bizocracy.” Business will run the country though it's surrogates, the elected representitives. We will vote for them but they will represent business. I say we all stop voting, why encourage the bastards!


josuha
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

This is not a 'democracy', it is a 'Constitutional Republic'.

And this 'ain't 'Sweden'.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

The Treaty of Versailles, specifically the reparations that Germany was forced to pay to France and Britan was what caused the economic collapse of Germany. You are correct in stating that the Treaty was responsible for the war, but the economic collapse it caused allowed Hitler to get elected. That was the vehicle that got the second world war going.


Name
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:27 pm

She's absolutely right! Democrats are the Apex of Evil and patriotic citizens must unite to stop the democrat's destruction of the USA.


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:31 pm

Mr Pritchett has no more reason to be scared of Obama than the last 12 occupants of the office. Wait! Now I'm scared, too!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:33 am

You say it so well. Revolution is the only cure to our current problem of government run amok. We need a cleansing.


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

You mean Sweden and Canada where they live years longer than we do? Golly, I hope we never follow that example!


Susan
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

What is wrong with these idiots? Seriously, if the Republicans can't scare you about an immiment threat, that we will be attacked anyday, then they will scare you that our country is slowly being taken over by tyrants that want to control every aspect of your life…scary – vote Republican!
How soon they forget that Bush and Republican Congress increased the governments secretive powers to wiretap our phones, have warrantless searches and torture people – which is what tyrannical governments do.
Seriously people…if you are that ignorant, you deserve who you vote for.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

“There is a sucker and fool born every day,”

You just proved your own statement. You are an embarassment to all Americans. How dare you take a cheap shot like that to the family of one of our fallen soldiers? If you can't have respect for the service of the soldier who fought for your right to make stupid comments you should at least have the decency to not say anything at all. To call you pathetic would be to give you too much credit!

Cptn I pray for you and your son, and offer a heartfelt thank you for his service and your sacrifice.


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

I think that George Washington was right in his second inaugural address when he warned us that the biggest threat to democracy is the rise of political parties.


johnbirm03
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

@cdc09 – the tyrant sadam is dead…and the muslim social mentality is alive and well in Iraq….what did “anyone” expect from the Irqi people? Some form of artisocratric, English, German, god forbid French, principles endowed?mysteriosuly from the thin desert air? No, in Iraq, as well as all other central and mid-eastern muslim worlds, violence and brute force…or perhaps you can provide even one example, in social history of a “muslim” society that is not ruled by force? and digresses to mob violence when not forcibly “controlled via human suffering” – case in point i PRESENT YOU iRAN, which will “crush” the next person who “opens their mouth” —Social Democracy is not the answer either


Der_Allweisender
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:36 pm

I think that if anyone were to see the economic realities and possibilities to be seized upon….not merely in the US but in the Global Community in which we now find ourselves living, it is a scary parallel but on a macro scale with reference to Germany in the 1930's or could potentially be in the hands of an unscrupulous regime.

Kurt


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:37 pm

Politicians now vote for the most obscene ideas of the other party so that they cannot be criticized for it later. You cannot demonize those what agrees wicha.


thimk
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

Are we having frog AGAIN?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:39 am

Vote Libertarian. You may not win, but you sure as hell sleep better at night.


pappaw
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

We have been edging toward socialism since(maybe even before) Woodrow Wilson! FDR was a major contributor(he used the term”social democrat”). It is likely LBJ's people that killed JFK(possibly because he wasn't towing the line fast enough).”The high office of the President is being used to foment a plot against the people of the United States,& before I leave office,I must warn them.” JFK, during a speech given at Columbia University, ten days before his assassination.. Bush,certainly the Clintons,& now Obama,probably are also key!


jondarvenne
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

look the general public of the U.S is not capable of any revolution!,and it is not because of socialism!.it is conditioned to be a docile and obedient to the powers to be!..read Shiva Naipauls book about the Jonestown debacle of Jim Jones in Guyana and the impossible odds of a truly left-wing Socialistic government ..its very eclectic in its display in how after Kent State , Americans thought we could get killed..and for what a change in direction.Its not to happen Mr Demint .read your Eugene Debs the name know one wants to discuss in this country , though you remember if not Wilson threw him into Prison for Dissendent thoughts in the period of WWI!.Immigrants whcih one ?illegals or legals..look the Dissedents from another country fall into two camps…the Miami Cubans who never liked the fact that Castro took away their Businesses! and bordellas..in some cases!.and more fresh to ones mind ..the ex-Shah supporters of the era between 1950-1980 who are worrIed about Socialism ..I wouldn't call either one Socialcism ..its Gangster Capitlism .!.In no way would the American People create a revolution , the country was based on Selfishness and their is no way , no one wants to belong to any organization that may affect their Credit score!…One has to look at the people who come to this country ..it was Religious Persecution 400 years ago..it was economy and starvation, wars, but one has to remember Immigrants returned to Europe between the 1880's to the 30's in droves ..and ever since America has remembered that they need the poor and the rich to compliment the country ..the Rich want more..and the Poor want a chance to steal , beg,borrow or start anew, and avoid detection…its the way of the world..and Socialism is not a possibility here !.the Government is just trying something new..that is what Democrats do!..see FDR..its just more Neo-liberalism instead of Neo-Conservatives that has only more greed..its policy !, but its not to be Socialism..people here do not want to give up too much for anyone$$..Social Democratism..as in Europe ..One would hope it could happen , but this is America its a right-wing country disquised to look Socialistic..but its just America-light!.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Part of educating people and preparing them for the future is teaching history. That’s kinds DeMint’s point!


Thumper
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

90% of Americans today have no backbone. They don't have the guts to revolt as did our founding fathers. They are more easily herded than sheep. Give them beer and football and they will ignore everything else going on around them. Ask your neighbor if he knows the name of the vice president – not likely.
Yes, it's like Germany prior to WWII.


Vilhelm Blackest
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:44 pm

People need to stop focusing on the mechanisms which are used to create problems (government, legislation, corporations, media) and start to focus on the source of the raw materials that feed these mechanism.

GREED.

Everything can be manipulated to be a benefit to some and a detriment to others. The wealthy get tax breaks, the tax base falls, and the middle class and the poor lose some of their freebies. So the middle class and poor fight back, the wealthy get taxed, and they get their freebies back again. Societies swing like pendulums, back and forth, and very little changes. And it all boils down to people wanting something for nothing. Who can blame us? It's in our animal nature to want to eat without hunting. If I can steal my neighbors food, I get to eat without expending energy. When people say Americans should start grass roots campaigns to change the government, or talk about it being time for a revolution, I just chuckle to myself. A revolution to WHAT? Unless you're going to change human nature, in a short time you will be right back where you started.

Every single one of us knows some small way to exploit the system, from the wealthiest to the poorest. Whether it's faking a cold so you can go hunt for a new job, or creating the largest ponzi scheme in U.S. history, or collecting disability when you aren't disabled, or using public school funds to pay for your new deck, or hiring illegal immigrants to avoid payroll taxes, or dumping waste in a river instead of paying to have it taken away, or using a relative in law enforcement to beat a ticket, of giving huge government contracts to friends, or collecting unemployment insurance while you're working off the books, it all boils down to the INDIVIDUAL wanting to get ahead by exploiting someone else. We are a nation of personally dishonest people, and everything you see, from the lies on TV news to the corruption at the highest levels of government, is a reflection of our dishonesty, magnified.

I challenge ANYONE who posts on this blog to look in the mirror and honestly say you've never tried to find away to exploit the system, or your fellow citizen. I don't think it's possible. Hell, I'm typing on a computer with a pirated operating system, and I'm sure plenty of the people reading this are also. How many of you are cheating on your spouse… trying to get a little “something for nothing?” Statistics say at least half of you reading this, are or have.

So there you have it. All our problems can be boiled down to one simple thing – human beings are greedy. What is the solution? There isn't one. Your only chance is to figure out how to exploit the system, your neighbor, your nation, and your planet so that you can get your little piece of the “something for nothing” pie. Depressing? Unfair? Infuriating? Welcome to humanity, and don't expect it to change… because it's been this way for over 100,000 years.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:45 am

I would buy health care but I have Cancer and CANT GET IT as I have Cancer!. My life is in the hands of a business.


daphnechyprious
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:45 pm

Can we call him Sen “Demented” now? Or am I the millionth person to suggest that.


enlightenedamerican
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

We are a long way yet from where Germany was in the late 1920's and early 30's. Inflation was so bad that it literally took a wheelbarrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread. The Treaty of Versailles had stripped the country of much of its industrial capability. There was no political group firmly in control. None of these attributes come close to what we have in America. Yes, we are in an economic downturn, just as we have had at times over many years. Is it a real panic, or are ardent capitalists fearing that the profit margins will erode. Our problems are caused by an excess of laissez fare control of industry and financial institutions that were slipped by legislators and presidents of both parties. It is time that we took a look at where we really are – that is 20 years or more behind the rest of the industrialized world in things like health care access, care of our citizens and labor legislation. Having lived for some time in Germany and studied the subject area, and having lived and traveled in many other countries, it has allowed me to see the US as being an embarrassment to the rest of the industrialized world, because we have a significant number of citizens living in third world conditions.


AndroidBoy420
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:46 pm

You scare me because you have too much money.
Meeting a payroll? Can I claim paying bills? Does that count?
Civilian leadership of the military is one of the bedrock principles of the US.
Bush didn't serve. He went AWOL.
Oil and Coal? We need to get off fire's dick. For over 10,000 years we've been using it…isn't it time to move on? My money is in uranium.
I wouldn't have a problem with Hannity and his crew if they quit packaging their opinion as news.
Lou, quit resting on those P&G laurels. If your ideas are good, they will stand. Your employment history means nothing to me. Less than nothing.
I hate America too. We are fat, lazy do-nothings who spoil everything we touch with our self-righteousness and hypocrisy. We used to be something good…back in the day. This government needs to be overthrown, but were too afraid to do it. We deserve what we've got. Left and Right, we've been working on this for decades.
That being said, maybe you could help me move out of the country. A little christian charity?
Didn't think so.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:48 pm

“But it was what drove us in to debt, right? Um, NO. Try looking at the increase in spending on social programs hammered through by Congress versus the cost of the war. The difference will surprise you.”

Amen!
Cost of Operations in Iraq = $550 Billion

Cost of Democrat giveaway “Stimulus Package” = $850 Billion
Cost of 2008 Obama/Democrat “Supplemental Spending Package”= $450 Billion
Cost of Buying/bailing out banks and GM and Chrysler = $700 Billion
Cost of Federal Reserve buying Treasury debt = $1 Trillion …while you watched AIG squirm
Just give Obama a chance ….right????


drenglish
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

Bush did this and Bush did that. I am sure he is responsible for the heat wave we are experiencing throughout the midwest and I'm sure he's responsible for Ted Kennedy's brain cancer. HEY YOU DUMBASSES……………….get out of your hating mode and realize that both parties suck and have lied to us. Really bad legislation and fiscal irresponsibilty had led us to where we are. You have allowed yourselves to be fooled into thinking that your party of choice is always right and that all of the problems we are now experiencing can be blamed on the other party. Oh yeah……..it's easy for some to say, as some pinhead wrote on this blog, that Republicans are pissed because “a black man” has been elected president. Isn't he half white? Am I missing something? Stop playing the race card………it's a little old, tired and in this case, incorrect. Why don't you talk about the racist views of our current president and his new Supreme Court nominee? Oh that's right………..the Left can be racists if they direct their racism against those who are deemed to be “wrong” and those who possess views counter to the existing Liberal culture. And talk about fiscal repsonsibility………..Republicans of the past have been noted for their ability to correct the financial woes of the country but this last Rebublican administration spent money like drunk sailors on liberty. Wake up America!! And for the love of God shut up harping on the Homeland Security Act, No Fly lists and Gitmo. We were attacked and are at war with a loony extremist group of fanatics and the Homeland Security and No Fly lists, while not perfect, are an attempt to make things safer. Neither have negatively impacted me or anyone I know. Guantanemo Bay was a great place to put the terrorists and they are, contrary to some, not US citizens therefore haven't any Constitutionally guaranteed rights. Too bad for them. And finally…………for those of you who are happy we now have a president who won't “make the rest of the world mad at us” please remember the majority of the world's population live in countries ruled by non-democratically elected governments (China, most of Africa. Cuba, North Korea,
Saudi Arabia, Iran, and I'm sure I'm missing many others) who HATE democracy and more specifically Hate Americans because we represent what they fear the most. So if they are upset by anything America does then too bad for them, too. Hopefully this makes sense to some of you folks out there and if it doesn't, you probably went to public school, know little or nothing about history, revel in your ignorance and allow the government to think for you. Start thinking for yourselves and stop believing everything the two political parties tell you. You're just being manipulated. Oh, yeah..one last thing………zepa21 raised the issue of Gitmo being a “gulag”……well, once again someone doesn't know his/her history very well. A much better example would be the “internment camps” that our favorite Democrat, Franklin Roosevelt, forced over 100,000 Japanese-Americans into at the beginning of US involvement in WWII. Those people lost everything including homes, businesses, and jobs. Why did they go into camps? They were thought to be “security risks” and just happened to be non-white.


AndroidBoy420
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:49 pm

The party is greater than the government, because it can control the government. The converse is not true.


josefpeterroemer
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

You scare me because your an idiot!!!!


bagger
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

Can anyone say 'constitutional republic' anymore? DeMint is correct, the individual states are losing plenty of their rights. If the states lose their rights to sovereignty from the federal gov't than the federal gov't will not have the checks and balances necessary to secure individual liberty. These nationalized banks and corporations, bailouts with 'strings attached', and globalist ideas are all very dangerous to personal liberty. Bush gave us a sampling of national socialism (police state, more gov't: medicare prescription plan, DHS, and increased executive branch powers: war without congressional approval). NAZI party = national socialist party!
Obama is giving us Marxist socialism: forced equality by the redistribution of wealth, gun control, universal health care, and more – it's all in the news, something new everyday. SUPPORT DeMINT'S S 604 AUDIT THE FED!!


josefpeterroemer
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

Thank You!!!!


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Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

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AndroidBoy420
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

Nice legal document. Long and boring, just like I expected. Now I know where to get uranium. Wait! I invest in uranium exploration! They give me all the good data!
Radiation is not some devil beholden to supernatural laws. 50-100 milliroentgens/hr–why not go with RADs? I think thats a better measure of what is a safe exposure. How many hours are you planning on dust-bathing in dirty bomb?


markimorgan
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:56 pm

Whoa, and I thought my Friend (A masters in Economics) and myself (An Accountant) have been bloging that we are headed down the path of Socialism and then as we saw events unfold said no this is closer to Fascism. Oh well with a One Party Executive Branch and Congress we may have a mess to clean up after… If we can


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:57 am

check out the UNs list of best places to live.
you dont have better medical here, just more access to it.
how about ‘who was on watch when somebody that was running the banking system decided to throw the regulations away’? not the W.
and you sound like you are repeating words from the conservative media.
and finally, notice how dickot tried to look at the original issue – comparing the US to Nazi Germany. you turned it in to nearly rabid insults.
bet we can figure out who you voted for…


Enal Sirhc
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:57 pm

It's the status quo. If we can still get a burger for a buck and keep the boob-tube running, we are content.
A revolution is in order. Two parties, too few…and too much of the same. We'd all love to see the band.


susan13
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

people don't become more dependant on the government to be easier manipulated through our reforms that are desperately needed like Mr. DeMint states-rather the government finally prioritizes on peoples basic needs rather than prioritizing on making the rich richer. Politics of fear and demonization like DeMint is promoting here is what manipulates people. Healthcare for everybody – not just Mr. DeMint and his equals-
has been around in most industrialized countries for half a century and it has worked very well for them and will for us too and the same is true for other reforms. Were now beyond the age of “promoting what I want by manipulating the one's who don't know any better and are gullible by instilling fear of whatever I don't like” It worked for Bush in times long gone( thank heaven they are gone)- and we no longer fall for the tactic. So please ,Mr. DeMint, spare us!


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

Actually, we have become a corporatocracy. Corporations, the lobbyists, the wealthy have been in total control since the Reagan years.

But when you live in a democracy….when you stop voting, you put your country in the hands of the really dangerous!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:59 am

you might get your chance to see a vice presidents son come home that way…….would that make you happy you ungrateful, ignorant, unamerican Marxist.
I’m sure Biden would love to hear from you.


johnbirm03
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:02 am

you know the Chinese “boot camp” programs could become essential in teaching Americans the proper way to behave…and to use big words like “truncated policy”


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:02 am

So worked in the heart of corporate America in the most republican city in the country. I sincerely hope we scare you Lou, because we are trying to get our country back from the likes of you. You, whose dream is to make a million by selling us all a product we don't need. You, who should do a little research and find the answers to your letter from a source besides Fox News. You are the kind of American who worshipped Ronald Reagan and always chose the side of the rich, even when the tax cuts had no effect on you. You who voted for years for a party that had no interest in your needs.

It is YOU who scare me, my friend!


GopsGoneWild
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:05 am

Jim DeMint: Yet another raving and ignorant fear mongerer. We've come to expect this garbage from the blogosphere. To hear it from a US Senator is sad and worrisome.


tbrnotb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:05 am

No you din't!!!!!


richard
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:05 am

THE 545 PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR AMERICA'S WOES

BY CHARLEY REESE

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, we have deficits? Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does. You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does. You and I don't write the tax code. Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy.

Congress does. You and I don't control monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president and nine Supreme Court justices – 545 human beings out of the 300 million – are directly, legally, morally and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered but private central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman or a president to do one cotton- picking thing.

I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it.

No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

A CONFIDENCE CONSPIRACY

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a SPEAKER, who stood up and criticized G.W. BUSH for creating deficits.

The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it. The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes.

Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow Democrats, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto.

REPLACE THE SCOUNDRELS

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts – of incompetence and irresponsibility.

I can't think of a single domestic problem, from an unfair tax code to defense overruns, that is not traceable directly to those 545 people.

When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Marines are in IRAQ, it's because they want them in IRAQ.

There are no insoluble government problems. Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power.

Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exist disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible. They, and they alone, have the power. They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses – provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees. We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:06 am

Spoken like a true Marxist.

“In a higher phase of communist society… only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be fully left behind and society inscribe on its banners: from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. “
Karl Marx

Only the freedom to live up to your potential can lift a person from poverty. When governments make everyone equal they do it by making every one else poorer through confiscatory taxation, not making the poor richer. As someone who works in the health care industry I can tell everyone who needs treatment has to be treated regardless of their ability to pay. That is the law of the land right now. Many are treated every day who don't pay for it in this country. The scare tactics are really getting old.


mary
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:08 am

We were more like Germany during the Nazi era when the Republican's were in power. It is the Republicans who benefit when people don't think and just follow their leader, just look at the 8 years under the Bush Regime. Democrats are not followers, Republicans are. It takes more than 5 months to undo the mess created in the previous 8 years. The Democrats understand this and are giving President Obama time to put his ideas to work. However, if Obama does not manage to get the Economy and the spending under control, the Democrats will turn on him. So, don't worry your little Republican heads with thoughts of Nazism. If anyone looks and smells like Nazi, it is the Republican party, just look at your own spokes people: Ann Culter, the queen of mean and Rush.


johnbirm03
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:12 am

based upon the Mission Statement of the Trilateral Commission, fascism would be a better option in order to truley control world economics and social/nationalised security


kumate
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:15 am

So the implication by Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) is that we were better as nation under the Bush administration??? where he has been all this time?? His comment is just to show that politicians are not about the well being of the country and people but about his party having control and power. And that is why we are in this situation!!!! Grow up Mr. Senator and stop the politics. But the way I did not vote for president Obama.


Alan
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:18 am

Bravo could not have said it better myself. btw I attened school when they actualy taught “American History “. Dont remember any of this crap being in any document the founding fathers wrote .wake up america or you too will be standing in line waiting to buy tp.


johnbirm03
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:19 am

sincerely let's identify Congressional leaders (alive today) who are in office, which have supported legislation such as “repeal of Glass Steagall Act” etc. and vote them out of office, across the board. Then however, the lobby groups of insurance and finance will contribute millions to the new ones, status quo….so a change must come in the ability of inductries to manipulate campaign contributionees, maligning the true process of national security of America, all in the name of “investor profit” which has proven that in and of itself lies a contradiction of fiduciary responsibilty, equivocating purpose and action. Change Congress and Change lobby access to Congressmen/women. Then change is gonna come.


disinformation
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:20 am

Please, Susan13 I was born on a government installation, fed by the government, employed by the government, oppressed people in the name of the government and still remember the look on the faces of people from the soviet union who came here in shock and awe over our commercial products (rich get richer, but they give us nice stuff). People are already dying and being harmed under our government controls over physicians and medication. Get the whole picture not the propaganda preached by politicians. Which by the way, I was one of those government officials who preached that disinformation to manipulate people like you on behalf of Nancy Pelosi’s home town. People please forgive me!!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:23 am

You’re ommitting a little problem called ‘evolution’. In the evolution of the US, it was decided that the original intent was that the individual was soverign over the state and federal government on some basic levels; like to have life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The state governments were a little tardy to the party in this regard, so to ensure those basic liberties for all people, the federal government gave itself some additional authority under various sections of the constitution and it’s amendments to deal with that problem. If there was a ‘bad guy’ in all of that, it was the state government. In their zeal to keep minorities ‘in their place’, they violated their basic human rights. It’s was little difficult to maintain the role of standard bearer for freedom on the planet on the federal level when states were oppressing a segment of your own population.


bocephusjosephus
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:25 am

Democratic Party, the party of slavery? What party wasn’t the party of slavery? Democrats, Republicans, Whigs, Federalists were all parties of slavery… all had members that were slavers… a fair number of presidents and congressmen were owners of slaves.
Copperheads were pacifists… their main thing was to avoid attacking the South in order to maintain the Union… just let the southern states (and all states) do what they wanted and if that meant legalized slavery in the South so be it.
And you’re leaving out the part about the federal Republicans (carpetbaggers) trying to make ex-Confederates into second class citizens — can’t hold public office, and can’t vote
the KKK at first had no party affiliation… they were disenfranchised, landless, and penniless
yes, later they gravitated to the Democratic Party, because of what the Republicans did to them post-Civil War
But, you know the KKK got much bigger later on nationwide… as like in Indiana where they had control all the way up to the governor… and that was a KKK of Republican protestant prohibitionists


pappaw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:25 am

Our Founding Fathers intentionally avoided a democracy,calling it”mob rule.” Instituting,instead a “Republican form of Government—If you can keep it.”–Ben Franklin,when asked.”what type of government do we have now?” at the end of the first Constitutional Convention in 1789. Before Woodrow Wilsons presidency,His campaign people were of the opinion that democrats of the day usually lost to the republicans because,they thought,they thought that republicens should govern a Republic! So, they started referring to the U.S. as a Democracy.It seemed to have worked! Now,it seems,The only vestige of a Republic we have left,is the name. A good many of our Republican politicians are RINO's(Republican In Name Only).”–and to our Republic,(defacto democracy) for which it stands”—. BTW, a REAL Republic, has a Constitution,& does not need to be “qualified” as a “Constitutional”Republic.The Socialist nations that declare themselves a “Republic” are in fact Social dictatorships cloaking themselves in Republican clothing to appeal to their public. A Republic also affords its people three(3) votes. A Democracy,only one(1)(the one at the polls.)


markimorgan
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:26 am

Wow your right on DrEnglish, possibly except for a few points. Our “Commander in Chief” is technically half Kenyan and half Irish/American (close enough to white)… Humor intended, as I'm of Scotts/Irish desent, and remember when the Irish were unwelcome here. We do not technically have a democraticaly elected government. Our fearless leader is elected by an electorate, remember the hanging chads?
If this war goes on for another 20 years, as the Afgans are used to by now, we may end up with detaining those practicing the Muslim religion. This war is already going on in the Middle East, Africa, Indonesia, and Asia, and possibly Europe. Unfortunately unlike the major wars of the last century, this is seen as a religious war and religious duty by the “other side.” It will not end soon and I hope we have the willpower to continue. We havn't done this before. They call us “Crusaders” we call them “Terrorists.” The only thing we have to remember is that they attacked us repeatedly before we took “real” action. Or perhaps I'm wrong. Our predicessors did attack them even in the 19th century and took more from the vanquished Ottoman Empire until after WW2.
We should take a good look at what we are fighting against and what we are fighting for before WW3 starts, iff it hasn't already.


pappaw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:28 am

The most effective tyrants cloak themseves in what ever party or clothing that best serves their intended purpose!


johnbirm03
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:29 am

the lobby groups have abused their priveleges, our Congress and Executives are “demented” via the lavish campaign “contributions” bestowed upon each and every one, regardless of party affiliation….enabling legal power purveyance in all practical areas of financial control in America….the strength of that matter is exponentially fearsome…however, at least 500 Texans stand ready to provide an overwhelming response when the time comes “Polished,oiled, locked & ready” Viva La America. De Opresso Libre. I truely hope that can be avoided, due to collateral involvement…and race cards will NOT be allowed, “so PETA get ur pants on girl, we're a goin' huntin.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:34 am

You covered 225 years alright…in three little paragraphs, all of which were very intentionally presented in a way to paint your side as the good guys and the other side as the bad guys. You should have saved the time and just typed “Democrats = YAY!, Republicans = poopoo-heads”

The truth be told, political parties are a hodgepodge of ideas and platforms torn and cobbled together from those in the past. The parties of today have little resemblance to those they were born from. Jefferson and Lincoln would both not recognize the current political landscape. And the reasons for people, or groups of people, leaving or forming new parties are a lot more complex and gray than you insinuated in your post.

I was not defending the original article, or even the poster you responded to. I am for rational thought and discourse, and against name-calling and lemmingism. That stuff just saddens me. I think you are intelligent and suspect it is passion, or disgust with the tactics of those who disagree with you, that compel you to respond in kind. I can understand that But that stuff doesn’t do anything but breed more closed minds and blind loyalty.There are sheep and wolves on both sides of the proverbial fence, but it is my hope that someday they will be outnumbered by rational human beings.

And as for the coaching stuff, maybe I deserved it. Sorry if I came off as preachy. I am not an intellectual, although I don’t consider myself uneducated. I am just a slob that wants to see things improve around here.


damorin
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:36 am

“But none of us have ever had it here. We don’t even know what it looks like.”
What about Bush and the last eight years? You must have been sleeping buddy- because we got informed and changed government last November.


Mr_Black
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:36 am

Tell that Iranian to go back to Persia, and by the way, grab your carpet and shove it up your ass you carpet bagger…. America is being hurt by Nazis like you Jim DeMint…. Euro Trash


Jean
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:37 am

I wonder what the Congress is doing to stop the socialization of the United States. The citizens are very aware of what is happening and many of us are angry that our elected officials seem to not care at all.


disinformation
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:39 am

HHHmmmm, third world conditions you say? Well it just so happens that I spent 16 hours a day at times working with those people, going into their homes, dealing with them on the street in the most dangerous neighborhoods in the U.S. Can you say birth control? Social responsibility on their part? What's embarrassing is the arrogance of people who blame those who take responsibility for those who “refuse to take responsibility”. Try to get them to volunteer to do things I dare you. I did it went real well. Don’t worry, I used to be a liberal believer at one time, then I realized what was really going on. Now I’m going to go out and work 15hours a day as a small business man so you can give half of what I worked my rear end off to get to those who have refused to take responsibility.


marksculpture
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:41 am

Unless you are making over a million a year, why do you even care if the US is Socialist or not?


puremonopoly
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:42 am

rock and roll! That’s how a post is supposed to read :D

Its not that you’re saying that China WILL try and take parts of the USA for the mere fun of it. Its comes to the point that if one fails ones obligations then another will find themselves in the ultimate position to capture claim to an easy target. However, I am in no way saying that the course of the USA’s financial system is positioning itself for an easy target of hostile takeover action by another entity. In no way am I saying that! I believe the state of the USA economy is in no way diminished today. The drop in GDP is expected in a volatile market when price makers and price takers are assuming positions in a market mechanism that assumes cyclical economic functions.

The strong will usually find a way to strive in any market. In a great market the strong will push for further greatness. And in a weak market, the strong will become great. Strong business only gets stronger in weak markets. In a recession, weak businesses must eventually fail. Or if they don’t fail, they’re prolonging the inevitable. Strong businesses need to eat weak businesses to grow in weak economies. Recessions bring stronger future economies by repositioning businesses function in market.

General Motors (GM) sold most of their assets to other corporations and are now strengthening their brand by reconstructing their business into cost effective, qualitative products that the consumer is willing and able to buy. GM was too large and not very cost efficient, with inefficiency in most of their business structure. They were losing money in almost every venture they had. Now with their bankruptcy, yes they are now partly owned by the US Federal Government (FED). However, this isn’t in itself creating a Socialist Democracy. Eventually the FED will sell back all the stock their holding of GM to the public once its in the best interest of the FED, GM and the economic condition of the USA to position such a move. The government is an arm of the people. A way for the people of the USA to join together for the common good weather economically or socially, politically or ethically.

Yes, the USA is taking out loans. However, a loan isn’t always a bad thing to take out if you’re standing strong with collateral substantially more than what you’ve took out in the loan. The USA’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP) is roughly $13.84 Trillion (calculated yearly). With a national debt of around $11.5 Trillion, the USA is technically still in the black/green of the economic picture. It might be worrying to note a USA national debt of $30 Trillion with a GDP of $11.5 Trillion, which might pose the question of a possible hostile takeover situation. However, currently the USA’s economic condition is in a state of renewal and subsequently is positioned for positive economic turnaround based on presently deployed economic indicators.


Reality Hammer
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:42 am

It only took Obama a few months to make people miss the Bush era!

Democrats can't complain because everything they hated about the Bush era has either been continued by Obama (the war on terrorism, detainment, etc.) or made far worse (like spending, deficits, the debt, the economy).

Well, okay, they can complain but they have no credibility!


johnbirm03
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:42 am

factual analysis might include reinstateing the Glass-Steagall Act, then an overwhelmingly complete overhaul of Lobby Laws pertaining to Campaign Contributions and access to Congress men/women as well as their Executive collegues, and finally establihing an overt ACT of Congress that prevents such exhorbitant national debt and “corruption” [sic] Americans must VOTE for Congress people who are not already spoiled by the libricious lobby contributions. VOTE for real people who are not 'branded social elitists” who simply comply and receive millions. VOTE for a Congress that will protect America, not plan a long-term garage sale of hard earned, dearly paid equity on the backs of middle classed honest people! please VOTE often, circumvent the “electoral college” change Congress like underwear…that is what Congress serves us to do, albiet the analogy is a bit loose, sorry. State Representatives are changed every two years, chage frequently and keep them clean (like underwear). Congress is a privelege, not a means to make several millions dollars and gain privelege for family


zephbob
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:44 am

I cringe with folks with evidently no historical knowledge attempt to give history lessons:

Current USA look absolutely nothing like pre WWll Germany. Germany was still reeling from WWl – the country's infrastructure was destroyed, unemployment was over 33 percent, the Germany mark was not worth the paper it was printed on and there was no light at the end of the tunnel because of backbreaking war reparation it was paying.

Aside from paying for the war the Mr DeMint voted for, explain to me any comparison.

Must be Mr DeMint's southern public school education on display.


Al
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:44 am

I believe that Richard is correct. Our congressmen and women should be held accountable for what they have been doing. They are the only ones that benefit from big government. The bigger the government the more they can hide. Throw the bums out!!


disinformation
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:45 am

Hmmm? Because I don't want the government telling me what i can do or can't do…


dg
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:45 am

I agree with almost all you say but for the observation we are absentee “bosses”. How and when this came about I'm not sure but the result is absolute. We have made slaves of ourselves and pay our ruling class well to crack the whip over us as they slowly steal the future from our grandchildren. We allow, no demandthis to happen. Many years ago in a political science class the professor said we would becme afraid of freedom and demand a dictator. At the time I didn't believe it, but it has come true, but I think it's more that we are too lazy to work at democracy. We get the government we deserve.


edpage
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:47 am

All Americans should be worried. What our grandfathers and fathers fought so hard to keep during WWII is being squandered away by spoiled and ignorant people here in the US. Even foreigners see it. And if you want to know what could happen, ask our British friends……….they almost lost their country not 67 years ago. Obama and his cronies in Congress should be a wake up call to America, and I hope for all our sake Americans don't stay asleep much longer. The politicians are having a field day in Washington, and they know their time is almost up, so they are grabbing everything they can while we are all asleep. Lord help them all when the sleeping giant awakens. A revolution is in the making, and those who occupy Congress will be help accountable.


ccompton
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Thats odd I have a southern public school education, and I guarentee I'm smarting then your liberal yankee ass…

Dumb northern peice of shit


USA
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:54 am

I didn't know Se. DeMint wasn't allowed the freedom to have a difference in opinion? I am dumbfounded that you would leave such a moronic comment about his intellect because he hails from South Carolina. I must be concerned about more important things such as the economy to not reply to every story talking about the “war” that is nearing its end in Iraq.

GROW UP.


ccompton
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:55 am

hey bitch

Ann Coulter is a goddess, the Republican Party is not responsible for demoralizing and socializing this country, the fucking democrats are.

This DeMint guy seems to be right on track

Fuck Obama

P.S. Learn how to spell before you start trying to sound intelligent. Wait, you're a democrat, all you do is “sound” intelligent without holding the ability


billwhatwhat
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:55 am

damn man I am with you on the dumb liberal shit but you cant be gettin all mad and typing stuff about being smarter that someone and misspelling every other word.


USA
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:56 am

While I disagree with his comment about the type of education you get from a southern school, your comment is just as rude, unwarranted, and wrong.

Level of education you receive whether from the North or the South depends on what you put into it.


markimorgan
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:58 am

Hmm I've watched after bubbles and scams have burst over the last 20 years, the Savings and Loan crises, the “dot.com” burst, the Enron debacle, the Oil speculation debacle, the stock market crash and the Mortgage crises along with all the fraud and corruption unveiled. When the tide goes out you find out who is skinny dipping. We seem to have brought about a culture of those who what to become nouveau riche by any means posable.
My best guess is that the gold bubble will burst next, as those who decide the stocks that remain have a better rate of return than the supposed safty of gold. Gold is a commodity, as long as it can be produced for $300/oz or less, the producers are happy to oblige. Eventually it will reach market saturation and drop in price, as before.
Trying to make a quick buck by fliping houses (still being done), the next IPO (still being done), the next rescource that has a potential higher demand if a group can “corner the market” (still being done), the next time Realty can make a quick 6% by fudging on an appraisal (still being done), They are just waiting for the next collapse to change to the next strategy. In the meantime those who do not have the financial capacity to get in or the accumen to get out LOSE. Perhaps this economic downturn is throwing a bucket of cold water on the speculators face, but I doubt it.
“Your better off at a roulette wheel than in the stock market, the spin is faster and so is the pain” Mark Twin (sic).
Germany? 1920's your right we are not there yet, wait until the inevitable inflation occurs by the government practicing print and spend policies, like Zimbabwe, Argentina, Germany, et. al.


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:59 am

Very good way of putting it.


ccompton
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:59 am

i didnt misspell any words, thanks…and it's nice to see that there is someone else out there who understands how liberals are wrong


cherenkov
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:00 am

Actually, you have it wrong, zephbob.

Germany was recovering nicely under Hitler, not that he was the real force behind it. Others had instituted programs to help bring the country out of the depression. But, ultimately, it was the issuance of sovereign credits, or bonds called Labor Treasury Certificates, that could not be internationally traded but had to be used on projects within the country that saved the economy. What hammered currencies at that time was the ability of arbitragers to short a currency. Since this was off that market, it was immune. It acted as a de facto second currency.

The fascism of the time arose out of racism and the use of a cultural past that was created from whole cloth and designed to instill a sense of national worth, much like we in the U.S. are doing now. Today, we are loathe to self-criticize. The Republicans often drag out that old saw, “The Blame America First Crowd,” whenever that criticism gets too close for comfort. Rather than objectively exam the problems of the U.S., the proto-fascists in the government would rather sponsor ad hominem attacks, an old technique favored by the German fascists. In Germany, the first attacks were on the “other,” the Jew, the homosexual, the gypsy, and the communists and socialists. In the same way, we see many people at these “Teabagging Parties” holding up signs photoshopped to make Obama look like he is Hitler. This broadbrush hysterical big lie technique is exactly the technique used by Hitler.

Yes. We should be afraid. Not of a weak, largely Republican-lite “Democratic” party, but the neo-fascists chomping at the bit to get rid of what they see as a “socialist” government.

We are one Reichstag fire away from a coup, my friends. Don't be surprised if we don't see something like that in the next year.


Name
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:02 am

Good job! Who says idiot conservatives can't be eloquent?


tachyon
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:06 am

go fuck yourself


chuckie2u
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:08 am

Nope there will not be a revolution. The U.S.A. has moved progressively toward full blown Socialism since FDR. Both parties have pushed Big Government to the point it does not matter which party sits in the big chair. Those who have become so dependent on Government as the WELFARE caste will demand more so they cam become equal to working middle class America. While Marx wanted a DICTATORSHIP of th eWorking class, Lenin made it clear ,the working class was never ment to RULE. So it is in the Elite Circles of the true RULERS of America. the non_party Americans are the parties Willing Idiots who gave up their FREEDOMS for Free Stuff.


pappaw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:12 am

Hey,Reb, Don't let that socialist yankee fool upset you. It's what they do to try to maintain control over you.—you're better than that. Now, I may be a yankee by accident of birth,& I may not condone slavery,but I still realize that the issue of slavery was only a tool used by the North to usurp States Rights,& outlaw secession to make force ALL States to tow the line w/Washington,regardless which direction it wanted to go,thereby usurping the dominion the individual states(therefor,the people-at-large)had over the limited power of the National Gov't.


DAK
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:13 am

Finally, a GOP Congressman uses correct terminology to describe the current situation in America. This is heartening. I am afraid that this absolutely correct perception will be: (1) ignored by the media, (2) be met with silence by other Republicans, and (3) not uttered again by DeMint. DeMint's statement SHOULD lead to an uprising of GOP congressmen in which they create a ceaseless barrage of verbal attacks on the Obama Democrats, block every piece of legislation Obamists propose (NEVER COMPROMISE 1mm on anything), propose legislation to permanently block the obvious initiatives he is about to propose, including gun control, economic stimuli, nationalization of health care, nationalization of businesses, racial preferences, amnesty, weakening the military, creating more idiotic federal government bureaucracies and criminal scams labeled Progressivism, promoting abortion, apologizing for America, destroying US sovereignty, scheming compulsively to infantalize and dumb down Americans, promoting the insane enterprise that is the Department of Education, the “Fairness” Doctrine,etc.
Thanks to the brilliant political acumen of W we have little real power except we can still TALK. I am prepared to do more but Tea Parties ain't gonna get it, fellas.


James Marshall
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:14 am

What a crackpot patriot. Big talk, crazy logic, no do.


jaykullman
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:15 am

conservative rhetoric!


soccertease
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:16 am

Shape of things to come, in brief. Rising unemployment will quickly crush the social safety nets and vaporize what's left of this economy. Massive civil unrest is months away. That must be followed by martial law. And thereafter the nation's energies will be harnessed for total war.

Fasten your seatbelts, kids.


rfoster112
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:16 am

Freedom to have a difference of opinion… YES. Freedom to create more hate-mongering that could… and HAS create violence. NO!
Saying something absurd is not necessarily an 'OPINION'. Sometimes it's just dead wrong on fact.


loratrimble
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:16 am

People like Pelosi promise the world to voters but give only to them selves. They lead voting blocs to believe that they will have every thing they ever wanted — and all for “free.” Crossing party lines, race and levels of personal wealth, it is a Ponzi Scheme that systematically takes and does not give back. They have an agenda, but not for the altruistic improvement of our nation. More than 80% of the land in the USA is owned by the central government. Taxes are increased each term. No one is getting “special rewards” for their vote, even though this is what they are promised. And the sad thing is that Pelosi and others know full well what they are doing. For instance: for the past seven years the global temperature has decreased not increased In every fight for power, just as in pre-World War II Germany the Nazi party knew that it is always necessary to have a common enemy in order to activate a people to move in the same direction, i.e. the Jews, Gypsies, mentally challenged and any other “non-Aryan” target. The current fairy tale enemy is Global Warming. Not true, and Gore, Pelosi, the Hollywood and East Coast media are are fully aware of these facts. We must raise, not lower our educational levels. In the meantime we are shooting ourselves in the foot.


misinformation
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:17 am

Screw gun rights, take em away and legalize pot. Then tax it. We save money in our prisons by having less drug offenders and create some revenue that ideally could go toward reducing the deficit.


rfoster112
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:18 am

What, pray tell, do you think the government is telling you you can or can not do?


Helen320
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:19 am

Everybody already knows by now that Congress is power hungry and only doing things for their own political expediency. They are the real terrorists to this country. We worry about getting attacked by some form of terrorist act while the Congress is destroying this country hour by hour, day by day. As for Obama, he is inexperienced and naive. We CANNOT use the European countries as models to move to Socialism. There is about 300 people in the UK while we have 300 million here. It is simply not scalable, take national health care for example. This country needs another revloution or else we will continue to decline as a whole. God Bless America.


rfoster112
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:20 am

Whoa, dude! Ann Coulter is a Goddess?!?!

Two words- Sarah Palin

What an idiot! 6 months in office and you think it's already ruined. That gives government efficiency a very good compliment…


lostcoz
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:21 am

Leave it to the Republicans to look to some [OUR?!!] immigrant from a country that hates the US for advice. Then again, the GOP have no ideas beyond hate, intolerance and obstruction, so what have they got to lose?


Lets_get_it _out_into_the_open
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:22 am

Have to shed the light on this here and now, The “black” man SOLD his fellow “black” man to the white man (or any man with enough cash). That still doesnt make slavery right, still doesnt remove the stain of slavery from this country’s history. However, the Chinese were also enslaved to build railroads and provide services on the West Coast. No one seems to hear about their plight on a daily basis. The black man is STILL killing the black man in Africa by the millions, I dont see the black leaders of America marching to Africa to liberate there fellow man.
The reason we have racism in America (while this is oversimplified) is a direct result of various groups wanting to be different. Wanting to be something other than American. Wanting to be known for their differences.
If we all belong to “one humanity” then ALL ethnicities need to stop crying foul and own up to their behavior. This appiles to white, green, yellow, tan, black, orange whatever. If everyone just acts like a human, treats everyone with respect, and owns up to the actions and decisions of their own life, then we will all get along.


hyjanks
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:22 am

This is your attempt at sarcasm, right?


hyjanks
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:24 am

As he walks to the Social Security Administration to pick up his check (right before he goes to the doctor to get medical care under Medicare).


misinformation
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:24 am

“There is about 300 people in the UK while we have 300 million here” REALLY, HOW STUPID ARE YOU MY DEAR FRIEND. I imagine you have a dildo shaped like Rush Limbaughs head you dumb twat.


fredryno
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:24 am

Someone somewhere is finally saying what millions of Americans have been aware of for years, the stunning comparison of our nations political direction with that of Germany leading up to the horrors of World War Two. Why are people so blind to the obvious? The saga continues.


hyjanks
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:25 am

Without holding the ability? How about “having” the ability, Mr. Intelligent?


Michelle
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:26 am

Anyone in doubt should go to http://www.infowars.com and take the TIME to read, educate themselves, and THEN form an opinion


beatrice gibbs
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:26 am

bologna stays bologna. we don't need more immigrants and their negative comments & ingratitude. they should be kissing our ground when they are privileged to arrive.


aidans
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Its interesting listening to all the economic panic from everyone that said nothing while Bush shredded the Constitution and ran a quasi-fascist police state immune from an democratic voting. While you may or may not agree with Obama, it has at least mostly been out in the open and available for debate and discussion as opposed to warrantless wiretaps, secret prisons, no-bid contracts etc.

The pre-WWII German economy was a result of lassie-faire economics overlayed onto post-Versailles fake money policies of which the bubble burst as soon as the Great Depression hit (also a result of protectionism (a Democratic issue) combined wth lassie-faire policy (a Republican issue). Of course, as with the bubble under GWB, the German bubble pre-WWII was mainly driven by US banks lending speculatively to Germany to cover Versailles payments to European goverments to pay back to those same banks.

Nothing proposed is even close to socialism if you actually look past the slurs and look at the facts. Our health-care system is already an oligarchy run by well connected companies, so adding one more choice is not good for them.

If you dont like whats being proposed, write congress and vote it in 2010!


Surge
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:27 am

Ok, so explain why you can not spell “piece” and “guarantee”…

ah, you must have gone to “shcool”?


robert137
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:30 am

Please tell me exactly what you want to do that you can not do? I mean this politely, I have NEVER had anything that I could not do plenty that I needed to have that I could not afford.
So?


Steve D.
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:30 am

Charley Reese: You are right on the money! How can this mob rule continue? Americans must wake up, and make their voices heard. Great insight, keep it up.


rfoster112
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:33 am

And you know this because…. how?!
You are 85?
You are a history professor?
You watch Fox News and swallow the BS that is fed to you?
Tell us the 'obvious' that we are missing… PLEASE! I am BEGGING you.


beatricegibbs
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:33 am

right you are. they are not educated to begin with & should try to go back. i notice that even after a week in America & Walmart etc., they WON't go & are kick & screaming to stay & not be DEPORTED.


FamousSeamus
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:37 am

people will always do what is in their best interest. the reason a selfless leader like, say, ghandi stands out in history is because they are the exception. those in control, who have been in control since our nation was formed to protect the business interests and personal wealth of a few families, can be counted upon to continue manipulating business practices and laws to keep their interests safe for their children as well. The rest of us 99% can only look upon this tradition with envy, and we do.


carl6535
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:37 am

Demint or demented? this fool sat while we were lied to about torture, iraq, and out economy. where was he when all this was happening? only true fools and idiots would listen to him. the current president has tried to listen to both sides, but we get the true nut jobs like demented talking this crap. only a true fool would believe this idiot.


mattstokes
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:37 am

Obama is helping to prevent a situation such as the one in Germany shortly before WW2. He really isn't supporting socialism. Just look at what FDR did, Obama is like a modern FDR.


Adam
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:41 am

Face it, trying to stop the ongoing Obamanation is like putting your seatbelt on after you've already crashed. We're so screwed.


Cptn_Crunch
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Perfect example of what I meant when stating that we are spoon fed by the government media to the point we dont even comprhend the news. We are not in a war with Pakistan, however, Pakistan is on the border of Afghanistan. You may have noted several news articles in the last year about our missles killing Pakistani’s when striking at al Queda targets. Since Pakistan has been a solid ally from many years, we have an obligation to take care of their citizens.
Isolationism doesnt work for our economic model which is almost entirely based on consumerism in a country that pretty much doesnt produce anything anymore. As a result, we almost have no choice but to get involved and build bridges in the countries we buy goods from.
And let us not forget, the DEMOCRATS have had power of the congress for the last 2.5 years. They could have stopped the war, they could have regulated the banks instead of forcing them to hand out bad loans, they could have done many things. The facts are the Democrats and Republicans are the same guy with two faces. One face shouts about more government and helping the little guy, the other face says big business is where its at. Both are attached to the same body that has both hands in your pockets.


rfoster112
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:43 am

Wow, dude. Where to begin…
(NEVER COMPROMISE 1mm on anything) What, exactly COULD get accomplished, then. There are parties expressly BECAUSE of compromise. Didn't you listen to your Schoolhouse Rock!
propose legislation to permanently block the obvious initiatives he is about to propose, including gun control, – Has that even been mentioned, besides by Republicans?
economic stimuli, – Wasn't that a Bush thing?
nationalization of health care, Do you have a better solution? FYI- Nationalization WOULD probably work, but nobody on either side has mentioned it yet… except Fox News (FGair and Balanced)
nationalization of businesses, – Are YOU going to buy the car companies?
racial preferences, – Started under Eisenhower and STRENGTHENED by Reagan
amnesty, weakening the military, creating more idiotic federal government bureaucracies and criminal scams labeled Progressivism, – What the Hell does that even MEAN?
promoting abortion, – Yeah- Democrats are known for pushing the 2 for 1 deals on Monday after 5PM… Do you know ANYONE who has EVER promoted abortion.
apologizing for America, – There's a bit to apologize for. have you read your history?
destroying US sovereignty, You may be right on this. I think the UN is opening a branch right here in Nashville to begin screening people for their concentration camps… ASS!
scheming compulsively to infantalize and dumb down Americans, – Seems to be working so far… 6 months in and idiots like you are blaming him for their own faults!
promoting the insane enterprise that is the Department of Education, – On that, I fear… we are agreed… However… Wasn't that BUSH?
the “Fairness” Doctrine,- No shit?! Who wants FAIRNESS?


mdb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:44 am

This may be correct and the Republicans will be the new Nazis.


beatricegibbs
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:45 am

there must be a way to have gun control & reduce NRA power.


fauxnews125
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:45 am

He's right. He's just pointing the finger in the wrong direction. It wasn't excessive liberalism that produced the so called “patriot” act that has led us down the road to Germany c. 1929. Hitler was no liberal. He had other victims besides the Jews. He first went after the communists and trade unionists. He also went after college professors (you know, the liberal elite). This is just transparently manufactured disengenuous outrage sponsored by the very people who got us in the mess we currently face. When we get our freedoms back, it will be IN SPITE of the CONservative hypocrites (just like it was after the McCarthy era temporarily ended, and just like it always is). This is why fewer and fewer people identify themselves as CONservatives. They were the ones complaining that we had too many freedoms after Sept. 11 and insisted we traded most of them for a false sense of security. People have stopped buying what they're selling, no matter how much they insist on repackaging it. If Our President is guilty of anything, it's not undoing the damage done by people like DeMint faster. While he's compromising his virtue in the name of “bipartisanship” (whatever that is), “God's own party” is taking advantage of his naivette. The 80% who no longer agree with CONservative hypocritical values are ready for the fights we will be having for the next few decades. Get used to it, because this is a tidal wave of popular opinion that disagrees with everything CON-men like DeMint are trying to sell.


zephbob
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:48 am

“Piece of Shit?  It's i before e except after c, dumb fuck
 
Signed a Vietnam Era 11/B (if you don't know what that is, shut up) who is from Texas and most probably can snap you in half.


bradbrand
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:49 am

Oh please! I've lived in the U.S. most of my life (with the exception of U.S. military service overseas for 3 years) and I've known for at least the last two decades that the United States is on the fast-track toward Fascist-Socialism. THIS IS NOT EARTH-SHATTERING NEWS DEMINT! Quasi-Marxist-New Deal Socialism has existed in the U.S. since at least FDR's Regime and probably sooner. Marxist Labor Unions existed in the U.S. during World War 1 and Marxist/Communist Political Parties existed well before the McCarthy era. When the U.S. defeated the Nazi Germany in WW2, U.S. overnment leaders and bureaucrats began incorporating several German Fascist Agendas into the U.S. system of government. Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Nixon did extensive damage. The Bush-Bush Administrations conspired to further induce Neo-Germanic Fascist Ideology, while the Clinton-Obama Administrators pushed and still push twisted Marxist-Engles Socialist Ideology into the mainstream.


beatricegibbs
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:49 am

there is NO sense to amnesty unless you are an illegal immigrant.


fredryno
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:49 am

It is interesting the way that you ask your questions by immediately putting forth the ground rules under which you might, just might actually read my response. Well here goes anyway….the key word is HISTORY. It can be found in every library in the world as well on every computer and all you have to do is do your homework. Not hard, just takes a bit of real desire and hard work. Just look yourself in the mirror and repeat what you wrote to me.
Good luck…no cheating now.


cchoi
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:49 am

When it comes to Asian business, Americans and Europeans are SHEER STUPID. This is what I have seen in my life. I am an Asian, and I am saying this from both the Asian and Western perspectives point of view. Westerners say I have western perspective. You need an Asian perspective in order to properly tackle them.
But, unfortunatly, you lack this. Just look at it. You are losing in all Aisan fronts.

Just look at President Obama. He is African/Asian-American. Here, you can see the difference.

You may be friendly to everyone but you will NEVER make friends with Muslims. You can make friends with them outwardly only and that is how you have been todate. If you become a Muslim, they will make you a 'crazy' person like a demon. You talk about radical Muslims? But that is wrong. Absolutely. Outwardly looking radicals were happy about the 9/11. What about others? Outwardly, they don't seem so, but inside they are all happy and smiling. You don't see this because you have no Asian perspective.

Yes, listen to them. Of course.


greenbiker
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:51 am

mattstokes, FDR was actually quite a socialist. Look closely at what he did and you will find out.


patricklaforrest
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:53 am

I am not American. Rather, I am Canadian. I have never thought of America as an ideal democracy. I have never seen it as a beacon in the storm for developing nations. I view America as a 2 party state that is manipulated and twisted by vested interest groups. I do not perceive vast differences between the Democratic or Republican parties. I do believe that Americans are easily manipulated, as witnessed by the fiasco in Iraq. I believe that America is guided by it military industrial complex with it's venerable American goal of maintaining American military dominance in the World. Inherent in this lofty goal of American supremacy is incipient greed.


zephbob
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:54 am

This is the home of the brave and land of the free, for which I put my time in to defend as a Vietnam era 11/B. I did not say the gentleman from South Carolina was not entitled to his opinions, I was merely pointing out the inaccuracies of his statements…and they were historically (look them up in any book) wrong.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Ah cut it out, I’m gettin all teary eyed.
What can I say about history that’s enlightening in a few sentences, people have written whole books about this stuff.. but I at the very least try to maintain some semblance of logic.
Okay, I sounded like hurray for our side and down with the other guy… but this is a thread about a Republican on a national stage getting coverage for some (I would say) outrageously partisan comments without a whole lot of basis in, let’s say, unspun historical facts.
I say there is a historical pattern at work in the Republican Party whereby reactionaries and demagogues tear the party apart from within, force out the moderates, and destroy the appeal to the electorate.
But I can bash Democrats easy enough… they’re big on theory and weak on implementation and I say it’s a pattern all the way back to Jefferson. Jefferson was a brilliant political theorist and writer, but he was a lousy President. And he didn’t particularly like being president. He was saying “all men are created equal” at the same time he had slaves and was having sex with the one he kept in the house.
JFK gave a speech to jump start the Peace Corps, but as a President he backed an attack on Cuba, brought us to the brink of nuclear war with the USSR, and escalated military involvement in Vietnam… is that what the Peace Corps was for?


mike
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:57 am

What's funny is that he even talked to anIranian immigrant. Didn't he try to have him deported?


dwightlarks
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:57 am

The Federal reserve is NOT a Federal Agency, rather a series of international banks who SCAMMED their way into the United States System of Governments. The USA DOES NOT have its own money supply…the way the thing was set up, the US Government has to BORROW every single penny it uses in its economy from the Federal Reserve (private banks) who can choose to allow the US to borrow money or not….or FED can even loan money to private interests and have the tax payer pay back the money even though the loans remain a private matter where not even the public is privey to the info….ITS A MESSED UP SITUATION.


danrik
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:59 am

Just happened upon this article…uh, trash. All I can see without laughing and crying at the same time, is God help this country. Cause if this is the best we have to offer, we are truly screwed.


steveowinlow
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:00 am

OK fools: Communism = public ownership of ALL property – Socialism = public ownership of the means of production. We are no where near Communism. ALL developed economies are Socialist to one degree or another and have been for going on a century.


CarlaMyers12
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:02 am

for the first time in my life i am afraid for t his country. I see the generations behind me unwilling to become self sufficient. They just wait for the government to h and them something. Wake Up American. The next war may be in our very own streets


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:05 am

We just barely made it out of 8 years of the most FACIST government the US has ever had…and some people still don’t see that…we are a socialist country (social security, medicare and medicaid, etc)…and that’s not bad. I lived in Canada and it’s fantastic. And all that cliche about lazy people looking for a handout? not true…at least they are not slaves to their government and the corporation, in “socialist” countries, if you want an education, you can get one without getting into debt for years and years. USA, as the “wealthiest” country in the world, has the highest rate of uneducated people, spends more on healthcare than the “socialist countries” , and has a FOX news channel which isn’t news (facts) but 90% angry commentary and outright lies. Ultimately, this country right now is controlled by a wealth aristocracy. So you can go back to your cable TV, turn on fox news, eat your burger and be convinced you live in paradise…till you actually GO to another country and see for yourself if you can actually speak a 2nd language……….


Rob
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:07 am

What a retard. Where was this moron when the Patriot Act was becoming law?


seattlemark
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:07 am

Amen, finally somebody who is calling a spade a spade.

I have studied WWII Germany for years and years. I have uncles who fought in some of the hardest battles against the Germans.

Obama is a Hitler. He is maybe not even fully aware of his actions ( I like to think that he is ), but the effects are exactly the same.

Soon, you will see the call for the “Obama Youth” to mobilize ( at tax payor expense ), and then maybe even the most liberal of Americans will see what is going on.

He wants to dismantle the economy, and the very morale fabric, of this country. Immigrants can see it here because they saw it where they came from.

Take some of these 18-30 year old people aside if you can. Kindly, tell them, inform them, share with them the lessons that older Americans have learned. They were never taught anything in school—the most liberal people, even in a small town, are always the school teachers. Don't let Obama sell his B.S. to the younger adults of this country anymore.


boo
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:08 am

Well maybe youre right… before world war 2 the society became less tolerant and started identifying minorities- jews and gays. Dissent was forbidden. Then the unethical science experiments started. And then the frantic rush to irrational war. Its religious extremism, racial purity and war. Sounds like the republican party.


Dominique
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:10 am

DeMIint is a psycho alarmist. Where was he when George Bush doled out billions to rescue failing corporations and wall street? He is simply a hypocrite and should keep quiet. Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:12 am

you might want to check the polls before spewing false numbers like that around. Last Gallup had those identifying themselves as liberal at 21% and those identifying themselves as conservative at 40%. Put that together with the downward trends in all of the job approval polls for the commies in congress and the white house and the shift is going against you libs and fast. And as far as getting any lost freedom back? That won't happen until we get a batch of true conservatives in office. Not fakes like Bush, Jefferson type real conservatives who believe that the people not the government hold the power in this nation.

“A government powerful enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to take all that you have”
Thomas Jefferson


1939toni
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:12 am

I agree with you fully. Obma has no expirience, never served in the armed forces and now has burdened us with taxes that our children and grandchildren wil have to pay for. If anyone thinks that our elected leaders in the senate or house are on our side think twice. Before all of this senators elected had been farmers, bakers blacksmith etc, common people like you and I. now most of them are attorneys and they do not care for the people, only look out or themself and for what is good in their interests and for staying in a power. You and I have to pay for health insurance we hardly can affford, but a senator will receive this and for his family for the rest of his life. You and I have to work hard for living and life for is has become harder and hader just to feed our families.,But our elected president ratherten helping us , the common people, found it to be better to spend our hard earned tax money on failing banks inststead of creating and supporing existing business. Unemployment just increased and now reached an all time high of almost 7 million people. Anyone that believes now that the promising speeches and rose colored prediction will regret it very soon, and yes massive upheval will take place when people finally see the lies and empty promises that now and very soon will show the the true facts of this goverment, one that is run by inexpirienced lawmakers and self serving hypocrits


OLD DOG
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:13 am

NO PROBLEM BEATRICE. IMPRISION ALL VIOLENT FELONS AND DON'T WORRY
ABOUT THE EIGHTY MILLION LAW ABIDING GUN OWNERS. THEY MAY KEEP
YOU SAFE.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:14 am

Fact check ….what FDR did WAS socialism. The supreme court struck down many of his programs as unconstitutional. It wasn't until he threatened to, and then did pack the court with activist judges that they stopped overruling his programs.


foolkiller
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:15 am

Immigration is legal, why would anyone try to have him deported? Do you know the difference between immigrant and illegal alien?


Dave Walker
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:16 am

Arrogant people like you are a big part of our situation. You say that immigrants are poorly educated while you can't type a couple of sentences correctly. I think most immigrants have better educations than most high school grads.


janwn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:16 am

Many old forces are fighting for a status quo that drove America into this rat hole. Health care, energy, climate change and education are the last vestiges that are going to change and make Americans feel united, equal under many laws that have held them exploited and hostage under an old regime,that has caused the final fiasco in the financial system “they” in the old forces (GOP) oddly enough screwed themselves up over greed, self-interest and unregulated… what they called free enterprise. We need the changes in all four pillars to finally unite us under one country that also has the desire to shake the yoke of the NRA that is operating under the mum of freedom and constutional rights… they know they are near their end of keeping guns in the hands of all those that escape back ground investigations in the loophole of gun shows. Those patriarchs have ruined this country and prevented us from feeling “in charge” for the people and by the the people. There is much mor to say… too much in this short comment.


Dominique
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:17 am

I think you are one of those racial bigots. The black person has never enslaved any person or nation or continent. Read your history. We all belong to one humanity, genetically and as created by God. Are you not ashamed comparing the leader of the world's most advance nation to a demagogue, Hitler? It is either you are an unpatriotic American or still wearing the garb of racism. I pity folks like you. Barack Obama has God and the wonderful people of the US and the world on his side.


Name
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:18 am

I find it interesting.That as a US citizen can not get help from my own goverment to start a small company. I was good enough to defend our country and get blown up and shot in the head ….but not good enough to get a loan or a small grant to start up a company.
I find it sicking to find out if I come from a small 3rd world country and not a U.S citizen. I WOULD get a full ride to start a company or buy a home …..WTF I say.
I predict With in the next 10 years if our goverment does not pull its head out of its ass ….It will be a second civil war.


fredryno
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:18 am

Fascinating commentary but so lacking of usable substance. So many thinking voters who didn't vote for Obama but in all honesty voted against Bush with such unabashed hatred that it bordered on literal fanaticism any way you see it. We have all witnessed at one time in our lives someone just running around, hands in the air, screaming and totally out of their senses. This seems to have been the picture of the typical Obama voter except they were screaming for joy rather than fear….that will come later as their better senses return and their eyes are open and gasps of “what have I done” are heard. Watch and observe…


manton
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:20 am

“They understood socialism. they understand tyrants.” –wha? Social Democracy, you say? Oh my gawd, this guy thinks our representative democracy isn't any of these things? As if our government just fell out of the sky from gawd, and it is so precious that we just couldn't exist without it. What a sham. This land that we call the U.S. was ripped off from natives. We were revolting, essentially, from the East India Trading Company. It was, is, and shall always be, about money and power. Imperialism, Capitalism, all that, is reduced to this: “I shall kill you, for a buck”. That is our “American Dream”. Who really understands socialism? Does being against socialism mean being for “anti-socialism”? Freedom. ha! What a joke! Free to be sheep, and consume from one of three choices of slop. That, dear friends, is what we got. Way to go!


maleldilsman
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:20 am

Dominique — I don't know where Senator DeMint was on Bush-II's spending. It doesn't matter. What does matter is that BOTH political parties have been spending worse than any drunken sailor I ever knew in my years at sea. If someone wakes up to the problem — or any other problem dumped on us by the central government, that person should be encouraged. Then, when they go back on their stance that was commended, they should be reminded. Maybe then we'll have fewer hypocrites in the future.


Dominique
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:21 am

Do you have any thinking faculty at all? You sound like a moron or someone hallucinating with unfounded fears. You ought to see a Psychiatrist. Your so called friends the bougeois has brought us this far. God is on our side. America will triumph.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:22 am

Judging from your response, you never saw high school, either. From now on,
I suggest you leave the thinking to people with I.Q.s higher than room
temperature. Now run along and watch American Idol or Oprah or whatever it
is you waterheads do when you’re not just taking up space a pile of dog crap
could be putting to better use…


dany
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:25 am

I am an Asian, and I want you guys Americans to take heed to what this congressman said. We in Asia are seeing the going down-down USA. I was neural about Obama, but now he irritates me. He makes USA seemingly week politically, and Economically he is not yet taking USA anywhere after 7 months, this is too bad for the world. How can you guys stand up against China ? For the world's sake, be the USA we used to know 10 yrs ago. Hard working People, inventive, Entrepreneurial , independent, People's power, Voice of freedom. I was reluctant for Bush's war, and yet you fitted the title your bear. The Land of the brave ?


Tiny Tim
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:25 am

What is disturbing is the man who ask “Is America ripe for another revolution”? the response should have been. Are you ready to start shooting people who I think are a “Threat to Freedom” False patriotism with a rallying call because we are under attack nonsense. Some of you people are scary in your extreme views


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:29 am

You are historically incorrect. Africans have a long history of not only enslaving other Africans, but also of selling captives of other tribes to European slave traders. The Europeans did not enter the heart of Africa in search of slaves. They went to port in western Africa and bought the captivce Africans from other Africans. Some free Africans in America also owned slaves. Why don't you read your history. This is all well documented.


D'Meaning
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:30 am

DeMint would know alot about Germany, seeing as how he is from South Carolina. As seditious a state as there is in the US. If the majority of South Carolina had its way, the US Constitution would stop at it's borders edge, especially if applied Blacks. Slavery is still a debatable point in many of their minds. Meanwhile, you won't hear old Jim DeMint decrying Strom Thurmond's rape of an underage black girl and he just gets all squeamish about Sanford, but Clinton is a sexual satan. As far as socialism goes,DeMint,you wouldn't know socialism if it pissed on your leg. If anyone tries to help regular people, you and your fascist cohorts scream like a bunch of bloody school girls–”gay marriage, gay soldiers, gay dogs, unitarians,
socialism, communism, oogie boogie”. Your ability to strike fear in the hearts of some your countrymen is amazing. Meanwhile, you would have loved to privatize social security by handing it over to Wall Street. Lucky for you, not even your corporate paymasters could make it happen. If it had, Bernie Madoff would be getting off lite compared to your ilk. Oh Yes, I've got a watch too, and it says it is 10:45 for Hypocrites.


johnd123
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:30 am

Don’t know why everyone is blaming Obama for the situation we are in? Bush and his cohorts are to blame. Obama is only tacking on 15% to the national debt. Republicans ran up the debt from what? 0 dollars! To 1 trillion. Everyone wants the government to stay out of their business until they get into trouble then they scream for help. If people really wanted to cut the national debt why don’t we just cut the budget across the board 20%? Every program every pay check everything. Let see how many neo-cons go for that? The big threat to America will come from the neo-cons scaring people with lies, half truths and innuendo. Take a look at Joe the plumber. Criticizing social programs after he used the programs. This is the poster child for the neo-cons hypocrisy. Socialism is the new Willie Horton for the next election. If we think we will be able to compete against the rest of the world without better social programs for education, healthcare and rules for the commanding heights of our economy. We will see the need to spend more and more on stimulus plans.


dbigkahunna
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Whar we are seeing is our REPUBLIC being changed from a Capitilism to Fascism. POTUS “O” is not a communist or a socialist. He is fascist. Do a search on Fascism. Germany, Italy and Japan were countries where government and industry worked in tandem to provide security for their citizens . Mussolini established the national socialist movement which then was embraced by Germany and Japan. However, unlike these three our REPUBLIC still has a large number of thinkers who embrace the words, “When in the cours of human events…..” Tyranny fears an informed and armed population.


askiamuhammadaquil
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:31 am

You are so right, Sen. DeMint. That is exactly what we did and exactly why we did what we did in November 2008: we got informed and changed our government. And as a surviving activist from the 60's, I can personally assure you that we will continue our struggle to change our country into that “…more perfect union” “…of the people, by the people and for the people.”


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Slavery is still practiced in Africa today.


belle
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:32 am

stupid right-wing facistas can't stand being out of power!


raymond
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:38 am

he ain't no god and alot of people claim they are on god side but have their on plans in the name of God just look at history but I do agree he not hilter and I hope he is trying to help all americans not just the black folks I know he suppose to be the first black president and all but his mother was white he was raised and educated by whites and he shoul aknowledge he is bi-racial


Steve Banks
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:38 am

We are living “The Great Depression II” but we have enough entitlement programs to keep stability. If you look at total unemployment we are at 30% or so when including part time and people who gave up looking.

The news media controls the minds of America so get the revolution idea out of your head/


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:39 am

Leave it to a liberal to not know or understand the definition of socialism or to not recognize it when it's happening all around them…LOL. Ok fool…here you go straight from dictionary.com

So”cial*ism, n. [Cf. F. socialisme.] A theory or system of social reform which contemplates a complete reconstruction of society, with a more just and equitable distribution of property
and labor.

so·cial·ism (s?'sh?-l?z'?m)
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.

If you can't recognize that we are progressing from capitalism to communism you are a fool…it takes many generations for it to happen and perhaps hundreds of years Winslow…making an observation about the last century and trying to characterize socialism as ok because it's been around for a little while is flat out hilarious…the progression just hit the FF button when Obama got elected. It's an inevitable progression as more and more people trade away their freedoms and liberties for govt support…look at GM…the freakin president took over and appointed a CEO…how can you not see what's happening? Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence and one of the founders of this country once said that we should never feel the presence of our govt…if we feel the presence of our govt then it has gone terribly wrong…I don't know about you but I can certainly feel it…they have their hands in every aspect of my life and its pathetic…Jefferson would be so disappointed. Its people like Winslow that ruin this country with their ignorance.


Jon Wang
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:39 am

DeMint is right, because many of you sound like those who helped Hitler rise to power.


Ronald Leece
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:40 am

Every Congressman/Congresswoman should have health care [paid for with our tax dollars] exactly as we have. Then you'd see some real health care legislation. But as you probably guessed already the average US tax payer / voter is looked on as something they wipe off the bottom of their shoe before they discuss where to spend our money. What has happened to the idea that with our leaders should take care of our business. How many voters really care if a Wall Street Banker ruins his business and then loses a 25 million dollar payout because of his own actions. When you take money without asking the owner you are just a plain old thief. The real threat to our freedoms is a bunch of no good thieves we've put on Capital Hill.


Democracybeliever
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:41 am

DeMint is Demented. The Republicans just can't cope with the fact that they lost the election and are becoming more and more delusional.


joe smith
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:43 am

well ..it's not rocket science it is basic math what is happening here. The sad part is that the majority that voted for obama are to stupid to understand basic math..go figure.


janwn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:43 am

Dear jasonRW, where have yu been? They (GOP) have had their hands in evry aspect of your life along time ago since the Privacy Act of 1974 you fool!….


joe smith
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:44 am

well ..it's not rocket science it is basic math what is happening here. The sad part is that the majority that voted for obama are to stupid to understand basic math..go figure.


joe smith
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:45 am

well ..it's not rocket science it is basic math what is happening here. The sad part is that the majority that voted for obama are to stupid to understand basic math..go figure.


pappaw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:45 am

With what? Socialsm? The only equality in socialism,is the equal sharing of misery!


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:45 am

Socialism is government depriving people of their individual economic liberty. Public education is an excellent example of socialism that does not involve a means of production. Anytime an individual liberty is crushed by government in favor of the collective, you have socialism. Redistribution of wealth is another example of socialism that does not involve a means of production. Government ownership of natural resourses is yet another example. Your socialist teachers did an excellent job indoctrinating you into the collective. Some of us refuse to be assimillated. We hold that individual liberty, with all it's rights and responsibilities, is superior to sacrificing the individual to the collective. This is what the second ammendment is all about.


docwdave
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:47 am

People living in glass houses shouldnt throw bricks. Unlike the great Canadians I know including relatives , you have a very dense , hypocritical blurred vision of America. You act like Canada is sooo much different than America. Yes you are more socialist than we are here. And you have your own version of George W.
as your current ” leader” (Harper).Your neo-cons are now destroying your nation.
And the Canadians that live around my area seem very content to be employed and living here .
In no hurry to return anytime soon are my next door neighbors (Canadians) and enjoying life
quite well here. Great people, not bitter twisted souls like yourself.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:47 am

Obama has added close to 12 trillion to the deficit accord to the CBO. It's more than all previous administrations combined. The $850 Billion “stimulus package” alone was more than the total cost of operations in Iraq. I for have never asked for government help and don't ever plan to, I'm not a millionaire, just self sufficient. I would be all for the federal budget to be slashed 75% tomorrow, the federal government is way bigger than constitutionally allowed as it is and this administration is getting ready to quadruple the size and intrusivness of it. All of the crushing taxation to follow the spending spree they are on is going to gurantee 10% + unemployment for the forseeable future. No business is going to take the risk of hiring new employees under that strain. The only cure for an ailing economy is to give business incentives to invest and hire, taking more money from them has the opposite effect.


jccrandell
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:49 am

“They understand tyrants. But none of us have ever had it here. We don’t even know what it looks like.”

Look up George W. Bush and there is a picture of a tyrant!


bachylo
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:49 am

Your opinion counts for nothing. But thanks anyway.


docwdave
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:49 am

yyou mean “are”


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:52 am

Envy is entertaining coming from a second rate nation, however I'll give you a pass on your silly, shallow comment because I live in San Diego and you're stuck in a frickin' ice box. I'd be upset too if I had to live at the north pole.


alaskan4alaska
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:52 am

They've been thrown out of office all over America & these numbskull Neo Con types still don't get it. The people have spoken & they don't want you turning America into a religous right wing Taliban, fear mongering, race baiting, moronic thugocracy. We were so close to having the Brown Shirted Cheney Scouts marching through our streets that it was terrifying. We are sick of the rest of the World thinking of us as Ludites.
You are fired and you are not welcome back. Don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.


Ronald Leece
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:52 am

Yes. We really needed Sara Palin a heart beat away from having her finger on a nuclear bomb. Now that's the craziest thing I can think of, and a very scary thought.


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:53 am

Umm…all of us Republicans have the same message regardless of what party is elected and we have for years…you must have just started paying attention…LOL…has not a thing to do with losing one election. Just saw Obama's job approval dropped to below 50% in my state of OH that elected him…as soon as everyone realizes that Obama lied about raising taxes, he'll be gone and a Republican will thankfully be elected to reverse his pathetic agenda.


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:55 am

You are correct. FDR was a follower of Norman Thomas. I can just hear all the uneducated liberals googling his name now. Oh, the failures of a socialist education. How sad.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:56 am

Voting NO …..so much for the hypocrite angle.


marcsefcik
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:57 am

it seems americans voted for change. before wwii, if history lessons served me right, germany was suffering because of outside forces punishing it and austria hungary for wwi. this is a right-wing cry to scare people into their 23% core support corps corpse. they are dead with dead old ideas. 8 years of bush did nothing to help people. the rich got richer and the poor paid for it. from $4 gas to 401k ponzi. working people got hit hardest. now, TAX THE RICH! they have excess money!


Name
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:59 am

Why does their opinion count for nothing?


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:00 am

The funny thing here is many of you complain about all the tax you actually pay but don't consider the services you receive for such taxes not to mention tax returns etc. Please do a real time calculation and figure out what you really pay.. It's ironic that the people who pay the less have the biggest mouth and people like Warren Buffet are willing to contribute even more!


burningtyger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:01 am

Your rights end where mine begin and vice versa. The government's ONLY job is to protect that separation. It is not to take care of you. It is not to teach you what is right and wrong. It's not to take from some and give to others. It is to ensure that we all have liberty and freedom to do as we see fit with our own lives, and not deny those same rights from others. Both of the two main parties are not interested in this and have their own agenda. All you Democrats and Republicans are in the same army, you are just wearing different colored helmets. Vote Libertarian, and stand with the good guys.


Ronald Leece
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:01 am

I don't think we had to fire her, she quit. How old John could have picked her is beyond me. That shows a serious flaw in judgement. I don't think the right understand how it works. You don't get it your way when you've been voted out. Suck it up and support your President.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:03 am

Oddly enough the inscription on the beltbuckle of Hitlers troops read “God is with us” …..pretty ironic if you ask me


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:03 am

First real American comment I've read. Long live liberty. Down with the socialist collective sheep.


koki2
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:03 am

This man needs to go back and re-read his high school WWII history, or perhaps read it for the first time. The primary factors that drove Europe to war in 1939 were the terms of the Treaty of Versailles which ended WWI. Under that treaty Germany lost a great deal of its territory and power, creating a vacuum that Hitler was able to expoit to his own vile purposes.


libertyandfreedom
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:04 am

Whether you like DeMint or hate him, there is more than a germ of truth to this.

Our government and all governments handle problems much more poorly than the private sector. Whenever there is a direct comparison, this point is obvious. The Postal Service and UPS, Fed Ex, etc. Higher private education vs our public education.

We should think about the limits of our government, and as socialism usually describes an expanding government role, we should be very concerned. However to label Democrats and Obama as socialist, is an attack strategy. Republicans like a big, fat government – and it is just about where they like to distribute money ( guns, wealthy…). Republicans would have bailed out the banks and car industry too.

You should be irate that the huge amount of your money that is confiscated as taxes from you is being redirected to the failed institutions that screwed you in the 1st place. And they are using that money to line the pockets and lobby Washington in their jets to give them even more. Without asking for ANY accountability. And why did these institutions fail? Lack of transparency.

It is transparency and accountability which makes the private sector much more efficient at delivering a solution to what people want and need than any government.

If you really are concerned about socialism you would be interested in voting for a viable candidate that has libertarian ideals, which at its core simply means smaller government.

We should be looking for less government in our lives not more. What does government do with the third of your income that it steals from you each year? What benefit do you see?

As long as public officials are motivated by the perks of being in office, the illicit campaign funding , the networkng and connections leading to a lifetime of parasitic “work”, they will continue to wage PR and Marketing wars to get in office and stay in office.

As long as public officials are not held accountable by private industry standards of “at-will” termination for failure, cost management, performance metrics based on value-add and transparency, they will continue to act in their personal interest and special interests not for their voting public.

To that end we should reduce the charter of what we expect from government, slash it by more than half, save half that money and pay for the substandard institutions ourselves. If you payed half the taxes, maybe you could afford a nice private school for your kids or invest in education to retrain yourself? If you think your roads are paved maybe government can keep that role. If you never benefited from government mandated health care or social security, maybe we should question whether government should be involved, and wean them off.

Also we should limit our politicians to one or 2 terms. We should make it easy to see their voting records and how they fund their campaigns and who is supporting them. Make it easy to compare politicians accross districts, states.

You decide how your money should be spent, and you can vote for government to get smaller, and get to keep more of your money over your lifetime. Just don't vote for most Republicans or Democrats. Real change would be to drop income taxes, or sales taxes. Real change is a government that does not seek to undermine all of your civil rights and violate the consitution.

Yes we can. Since the Democrats are in office now, I think it is fair to ask them to deliver on Real Change. REal change is not a new social order, but a smaller, more efficient, fiscally responsible government. I would rather not see 5 emails in one day, from Obama, Michelle, Biden, Clinton all in the end request to keep them in power in case they fail in the 1st 4 years. I would rather see real change, not failure.

Step up to get us out of Iraq, crush the Taliban threat, cut wasteful programs and taxes. Grow some balls.

That goes for our President the Congress and for us. If you are hurting economically then ask yourself why the government is not tightening its belt and helping you out by taking less of your money.


peaceword
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:06 am

SUBJECT: U.S. Supreme Court #08-9595: to decide question: (1) “Nuclear Crime” attacks at Holy Kaaba, Mecca; & (2) St. Peter's, Vatican & (3)US '$50,000 Torture-Death Rewards' TARGETING U.S. Soldier Prisoners of War vs. US mega million life rewards for terrorists

08 Jul 2009
From: Kenneth MacKenzie, Uncle of PFC Kristian Menchaca, 2314 Gentry, Houston, Texas 77009, USA , kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com; kenmackenzie2000@att.net 713-225-0123 ; SEE: http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php ;

Letter to News Editorial : John O. Brennan, The White House The White House • 1600 Pennsylvania Ave NW • Washington, DC 20500 • 202-456-1111 , info@messages.whitehouse.gov ;

Dear Ladies & Gentlemen:

. . . The family of PFC Kristian Menchaca is litigating under threat of death by terrorists and is denied “Victim Protection Program Services by Bush appointed U.S. Atty Tim Johnson,

Houston, while we currently litigate issues under U.S. Supreme Court Docket #08-9595 of the wrongful death of our family member PFC Kristian Menchaca, U.S. 101st. Airborne Division,

captured with PFC Thomas Tucker, U.S. 101st. Airborne Division, in Iraq, 2006, and barbarically tortured to death by al Shura 'Nuclear Jihad' Terrorist groups as revenge against the U.S.

101st. Airborne Division for mass murders and rape perpetrated by U.S. 101st. Airborne Division soldiers whose Court trials recently ended June 2009 — (1) Pfc. Steven D. Green

was sentenced to life imprisonment without possibility of parole, (2) Sgt. Paul E. Cortez sentenced to 100 years, (3) Spc. James P. Barker sentenced to 90 years, (4) Pfc. Jesse V. Spielman

received a courtmartial sentence of 110 years, all who perpetrated Murders and Rape, about 12 March 2009, in Mahmudiyah Iraq, against four innocent Iraqi civilians, identified as Abeer Qassim Hamza

al-Janabi, 14, raped and murdered, her mother, Fakhriyah Taha Muhsin, 34, Abeer's father, Qasim Hamza Raheem, 45, all killed by gunshots to their heads, and Hadeel Qasim Hamza, 7, Abeer's sister,

shot to death. A Pfc. Brian L. Howard who did not participate in the killings, but knew of the crimes, received 27 months in prison.

. . . A sixth soldier, Sgt. Anthony Yribe, not present at the murders, was designated a less than 'Honerable Discharge by being assigned a “General Discharge” out of the Army.

. . .The al Shura 'Nuclear Jihad' Terrorist groups claimed they tortured PFC Kristian Menchaca and PFC Thomas Tucker, both of U.S. 101st. Airborne Division, as revenge against the U.S. 101st.

Airborne Division for said rape and murder of Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi, and mass murders of her family .

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/behea… ;
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/video-shows-…

. . . The family of PFC Kristian Menchaca, under threat of death by terrorists, as denied “Victim Protection Program Services by Bush appointed U.S. Atty Tim Johnson, Houston, is litigating in (1) United States

Supreme Court, also litigating to (2) Prosecutor in U.N. International Criminal Court, litigating to (3) Ministers of Justice in Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, Yemen, and UAE; (4) The family of PFC Kristian Menchaca

plans to also litigate in the Koranic Courts before the Imams of the several Great Mosques throughout the Middle East. We seek peace and justice in our litigation which is further described in our 'Petition

For Rehearing' to the U.S. Supreme Court, enclosed herein.

. . . Regarding: U.S. and British “Nuclear Crime target corporations” previously identified at the 9/11-2001 New York World Trade Center attacks, and regarding said 'Nuclear Crime' target corporations

in Saudi Arabia and in Indonesia. See: http://christianmenchaca.com/publisher.php

. . .Petitioners' 'Law Claim' against “U.S. Nuclear Crime target corporations” was previously written in English and has been served by eMail on the Saudi Minister of Justice and Law Firms for the

Saudi Royal Family, also served on Ministers of Justice in Italy and Indonesia.The pleadings are sufficient and translations may be needed in those jurisdictions that require native language filings.

However, many will accept English.

. . .Our goals are: (1) Success with the Lawsuits; (2) Middle East countries ask U.S. Corporations & Military to leave Middle East as they represent “Nuclear Crime” danger to Holy Kaaba and always

will represent danger to Holy Kaaba for as long as they are present in Middle East countries & Indonesia; (3) Boycott of U.S. Corporations by 1.8 Billion Muslims. . . .

(4) Recognition that Middle East leaders increase “Nuclear Crime” endangerment to Holy Kaaba by allowing U.S. to operate Airfields in Middle East to supply U.S. Military Forces in Iraq and Afghanistan;

(5) Recognition that Middle East leaders increase “Nuclear Crime” endangerment to Holy Kaaba by cooperating with U.S. in War efforts; (6) Much more to be said regarding Holy Kaaba.

(7) Essentially, the same concerns apply in Italy.(8) U.S. Corporations attract “Nuclear Crimes” (Radiological contamination crimes) in any country where they have a

business office. 'Third Party' countries, such as Switzerland, with heavy U.S. presence are particularly vulnerable because of U.S. presence and easy availability of Uranium ore from abandoned

Uranium mines for stealth contamination attacks on high profile banking centers, such as Geneve and Zurich.

. . . Delivering “Radiological contamination inhalement lethality” to a target in Switzerland is as simple as shoveling 100 m/R hr. Uranium ore tailings from abandoned Uranium mines in Margnac &

Limousin areas of France into an automobile and dumping the Uranium ore tailings on streets or inside Buildings in Berlin, Bonn, Vienna, Salzberg, Luxembourg, Zurich, Geneve, Vatican, Monaco,

et. seq. This document is primarily concerned with the life- destructive effects of inhaled or ingested Uranium Ore dust and oxides that cause Cancers and other Radiological related diseases.

. . . The point of all this is that you could be inhaling these Radiological contaminants and not be aware that you are poisoned.

. . . This truth increases the liklihood of Radiological “Nuclear Crime” attacks applied by terrorists and deranged persons in any country. Heretofore, dangerous Radiological Isotopes were assumed

as available for Radiological attack after refining was applied to raw Uranium Ore in a manufacturing process that produced refined Uranium.

See: http://www.wise-uranium.org/uwai.html ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committed_effectiv…) ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisonin… ; http://yosemite.epa.gov/r9/sfund/r9sfdocw.nsf/b… ;

. . . Few paid attention to the fact that raw Uranium ore tailings were also lethal Radiological contaminants if inhaled by victims. The U.S. NRC substantially avoids the “inhalation”

subject and focuses on external Gamma Ray exposures which are easy to downplay, ignore, and deny for political purposes if terrorists inflict a lethal Radiological attack as they can be “missed”

in Geiger scans unless scanners are near the contaminant material. Also, for example, Alpha rays outside the body are almost harmless. Inside the body, Alpha rays can cause death over time.

. . . Clean-up is virtually impossible and lethal Radiological contamination becomes a nightmare that tourists and normal people will avoid in any contaminated city as a consequence of the fact

that detection equipment will always detect the residues of a Radiological attack for thousands of years even if “Cleaned up.”

. . .Any Radiological contaminated city will be shunned and evacuated like Chernoble. Zurich and Geneve could be easily contaminated into wastelands. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

. . . Any assistance in refering litigation services of potentially interested law firms would be appreciated.

Sincerely,
Kenneth MacKenzie


dontlikeyou
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:06 am

He's not my president. He's your president and he will be gone in 4 years… thank God.


kevingallager
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:07 am

Correct, when any one takes over a big section of finance and the only major manufacturing capability remaining in America. We Americans are leaving ourselves at the mercy of this faction.
Next the removal of the only method we have to protect our freedom. Read the history of Germany prior to WW2, what did the a Government take away from its citizens. History will repeat itself, this time it is not in the American peoples favor. People wake up.


marcsefcik
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:07 am

americans are too lazy or self centered (where is my i-phone, i have a civil war to fight.) “'idol' is on, i'm not going to battle yet” to have a revolution, civil war, or stop abortion. bush had 6 years of reign to stop abortion. if they had, there would be nothing to come against liberals with! “liberals want all people to have good health care, SCOUNDRELS!!”


Ronald Leece
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:07 am

I don't think we could have survived another 4 years of Bush policies. He'd have run out of poor people to fight the wars for him. How many of us really think Iraq is worth one of our own sons or daughters? Not a dam rich persons son has died in that worthless war.


petemcgee
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:07 am

Wow!Germany was already torturing and executing it's citizens in the late '30's….”Freedom”?…

what the hell do you mean? The “freedom” to continually scam and rip-off the American people?

The “freedom” to LIE through your teeth as you lead this country into a needless,personally

vindictive war? You either don't have clue as to what you're talking about,and/or you're making

accusations up as you and your miserable party watch Obama try to lead us

out of the huge mess jr.bush made……….


dontlikeyou
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:08 am

After watching the events of the past few years, I have become convinced that American liberals are among the most stupid people on the planet.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:09 am

I guess if we had been using rocket scientist instead of high school dropouts for the last 8 years we would have been fine now!


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:10 am

Hey janwn…pay attention and learn to read you fool…I'm pretty sure I said I don't like any govt in my life, not just Democrats. Of course I don't like the PA you silly goose. Your respond in typical Democrat fashion…you hear only what you want to hear…your party's motto should be attack…attack…attack (without thinking). Now, I do vote GOP because they prefer to interfere less in my life…yes. Does that mean they don't interfere at all? No, of course not…do you think by pointing out one example to me that you are demonstrating anything? For every one example of Republican policy you can produce that shows govt interfering with my life I can show you 20 examples of the way Dems want to interfere with my life…your post is a pathetic example of why the Dems ever get elected…they prey on unintelligent dependent voters…without them the Dems would never win elections….never.


Name
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:10 am

Rome wasn't built in a day…it also didn't fall in a day. We're all arrogant–liberals and conservatives alike–if we think that we are impervious to the fates that other countries and empires have suffered.


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:11 am

Let's see. GWB put 120,000 troops in Iraq. They are still there. GWB sent troops to Afganistan. Obama is increasing their number. GWB's Secretary of Defense is Obama's Secretary of Defense. The millitary structure is little changed and Obama refuses to release Guantanimo records just as Bush did. Gitmo isn't closed and Obama now plans on keeping at least 50,000 troops in Iraq indefinately, just as GWB would have done. What the hell are you talking about? Get off the Kool Aide.


dickot
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:13 am

Germany had the highest literacy rate in Europe, virtually no employment, huge reparation burdens, and unheard-off inflation.
It was easy to let somebody run the country any way they saw fit as long as they 'appeared' to be doing something about these ills.
America has not gotten anywhere near the severity of those years, but because they are so lazy – compared to much of the world – they would willingly accept a leader that would return their sense of security – and superiority. I don't think Mr. Obama has any motives along those lines; he has just inheireted a terrible ecconomic situation from his predecessor, and the market will not 'correct itself' in time to stop a fatal crash again.

And if you look closer at Europe and Canada – they are 'socialist democracies' already and have been for years, and Canada is usually regarded as the 'best' all-round nation is which to reside – regardless of the steep taxes there.

I am not an Obama apologist – just facing reality. Something has to be done and Reaganomics or Clintonomics wont cut it now…


Ronald Leece
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:14 am

If you're a Sara Palin fan I don't care to debate or comment back to space cases. And whether you like it or not Obama is now your President. That's how democracies work, or do you want a soldier sticking a gun up your butt.


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:15 am

What depression? I'm doing very well. Get an education and work hard and there is never a depression. The stupid and the uneducated live in a constant state of depression so they steal via. redistribution of wealth from those they envy. That is socialism. Stupidity and envy.


imacanucktwo
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:15 am

dickot has the right idea, and both liberals and conservatives that post here usually are completely blinded by emotion and assume way too much.


janwn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:16 am

Dear JasonRW, you reply is as defiant as the point DeMint is trying to fool the genral public. Your aroused reply betrays your anger towards society in general… not the kind of antic solutions America is looking for… Peace!


imacanucktwo
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:17 am

that's weak and arrogant and ignorant. Not that I support the war, but an IRaqi life is jsut as valueable to me as an American life. Stop thinking americans(yes, I am one) are superior to others… fool.


johnbirm03
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:21 am

This article is in the Iranian website linked here:
'http://iran.ru/eng/iran_news.php?act=news_by_id&news_id=8246
…this article is actually “objectively written” as it is not “intended” for western readers, so to speak.
It does provide a window of opportunity to better understand the rationale of USA influnce among central asia and mid east governments and policies in play among those regions, regeims, ideological paradigms, as well as the age old battle to subdue communist expansion. And


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:21 am

I've never heard of Canada referred to as the best all around place to live…now that's a first. I do lots of business in Canada and all I ever hear is complaints and everyone seems absolutely miserable. Why do so many Canadians come to the US for medical care if its so great in Canada? By the way…you need to do your homework…before you even begin to utter words about Obama inheriting a bad economy from his predecessor you ought to dig in a bot and really understand why the economy tanked. You're simply repeating words you heard on TV or read in a liberal rag of a newspaper. I want you to tell me one thing the Bush admin did to cause the bad economy….bet you can't dickot…stop repeating what the media tells you and start learning for yourself.


tansiman
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:21 am

DeMint is Francis Marion come back from the grave.!!!!


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:22 am

You are so right, everyone want's their agenda instead of policies to benefit the nation, both liberals and conservatives. We need to wake up and take a look at China and India especially. They are coming to kick our butt if our citizens are not well educated and prepared because the next big war wont be waged with guns and smart bombs… Wake up America and re-tool!


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:23 am

You are so right, everyone want's their agenda instead of policies to benefit the nation, both liberals and conservatives. We need to wake up and take a look at China and India especially. They are coming to kick our butt if our citizens are not well educated and prepared because the next big war wont be waged with guns and smart bombs… Wake up America and re-tool!


Cay
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:23 am

What is needed a return to the Constitution and its original intent–to provide for the safety and security of the nation. It is time to study government and what makes a good government. Our Founding Fathers read Greek and Roman Classics. It gave them an understanding of what makes a good government. I do not believe that the majority of Americans understand what makes good government. We have the ability to change our government, but it will take every person who could vote to vote. It will also require that all of us become informed, so that we can make good decisions about who should represent us.It will also take a debate and to keep talking about it until it does change.


Mason Shepherd
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:25 am

What has been going in America since Eisenhower is a Neofascist Oligarchy. It's led by people who do not believe in fairness; a MINORITY of the world's population trying to keep control of the money and power. It's a world-wide Pyramid Scheme of wanna-be pharaohs and self-appointed privileged characters. You losers had your chance now step back and let your future flow. Here we are to save the day. NOW STEP-OFF.

They, that means conervatives, liberals– all of the soon-to-be obsolete old powers in the New World– have faced a reckoning. It just so happens that the selfishness on the so-called liberal side is less pronounced. So the true SILENT Majority, in the spirit of the Framers of and tenets inherent to the Constitution, rose up to defend it and the TRUE American (as of yet unrealized) Way by choosing the lesser of two evils. Let's see what the guy does. Your Bushy boy already tried to effect Armageddon. How homicidal/suicidal are you animals anyway?!

Any country that wants advancement as opposed to stagnation and regression, does NOT do the things that we have done post-WWII. This bully attitude, war mongering, alcohol-soaked redneck, good ole' boy system is done. If you think that you will wrest the power back, without first conforming to the will of the majority and the true rule of law, you will be defeated. We know who you are. Whereas the vanguard of America is myriad, diverse and more than willing and able to “knock you out the box”. You showed your arses, so now you've been outed. Ya' feel me, fools?!

DeMint showed his true colors when he made the comparison to us and pre-WWII Germany. The Gestapo is and has been alive and well, proof being that many of the surviving Nazi scientists, physicians and mathematicians were accepted into America and placed in many positions of power. That is not theory that is truth. They convinced V.Bush, Ike and Forrestal to structure the world economy and societies in the way you saw highlighted from then til GW. DeMint has an agenda as do those who control this fiasco called “the free-market”.

Unchecked capitalism is no better than Stalinesque Communism. Anything at the fringes or extreme in Nature is abhorred. That includes you dinosaurs who long for a fantasy by-gone era of White Power. That feces has been flushed. Get with the program or get out of OUR country. Go live in jolly-ole' England or Germany. See how you like it.

It would serve the true America well if you did, since it seems contrarianism– not consideration, cooperation, fairness or logic– is the only science you dolts believe. Your agonal signs and symptoms are audible and laughable. Die in slow agony as we change the New World Order to the True World Order.

DeMint and his ilk are about as anti-American as a cretin can get. Too bad you yokels don't know shite from shinola. You'd sell your own kids into slavery to keep your elitist nocturnal emission alive. It really is pitiful and evil. You've lost “The Race” bigots. Bye-bye!


bocephusjosephus
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:25 am

Hey Republicans, ever hear of the Whig Party? No, of course not, you're too stupid. Well, the Whig Party was what became of the original Republican Party after it went defunct… and then of course the Whig Party went down the tubes (can you say Millard Fillmore?) and out came the “new” Republican Party — and they called themselves the GOP Republicans, so as not to be confused with the crappy old pre-Whig Republicans.
So, before you go off on some tangent using obsure references to all sorts of historical events you don't REALLY know squat about… look instead to your own Party history, because you ARE repeating it.


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:25 am

janwn…please…my aroused reply is a reflection of my frustration with people like you that simply don't use common sense. I'm a very happy, well adjusted person that has no societal axe to grind…just tired of more and more govt…I haven't quite surrendered my liberties as you have.


janwn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:26 am

Let's fire off another volley!… GOP, the Grand “Old” Party is selfrighteous and bigotted in opinion and intgelligence! They know it all… Peace again!


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:26 am

On what planet have you been living!


laila21
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:27 am

Ronald is not saying that Iraqi lives are not important. The point is American lives should not be lost at all, least of all for a “war” we should never have waged. Go back to pre WWI &II history and not just from U.S. published history books, Iraq is a new country (,amy conflicting groups) forced into existence by the Western powers for economic gain. U.S. does not care about human rights, it's just the excuse we use to invade other countries.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:28 am

Fantastic!


janwn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:28 am

JasonRW what liberties do you have that I don't? That I have surrendered and you haven't. Is that the intelligence you are refering to?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:30 am

I didn’t add a historical narrative because I didn’t believe one was called for. The fact that a republican started it is irrelevant because the democrats were the ones that escalated the war and to be honest with you screwed up the whole thing. The “pithy little sentence” seemed to work for everyone else so I thought I’d throw my 2 cents in and had I known you were going to read and comment on my sentence I would have probably written more. :)


Ronald Leece
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:32 am

We don't have a government for the people, that is, unless you're a Wall Street Banker. A bunch of thieves put in place by both major parties. And what's really bad is you can only vote for a sorry ass Democrat or a sorry ass Republican


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:32 am

Hey bocephusjosephus…are you really calling out Republicans with a Whig party reference…I've heard it all now…this coming from a party that still continues to elect Robert Byrd despite his deep rooted history with the KKK…hilarious….I could go on and on about the esteemed civil rights history of that grand ole' Democrat party that has it's roots in the Federalist party…a party that supported continual govt expansion and a party that time and time again refused to address slavery…esteemed to be sure.


readlearnunderstand
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:32 am

You're an idiot to make such a sweeping and baseless comment. War does not discriminate. It's an equal opportunity killer. As far as Bush's policies are concerned, I think his most destructive policies were his liberal-like penchant for spending and expanding the federal government. In this area, Obama has far out-stripped him and has moved from the realm of recklessness to sheer foolishness.
The similarity between our nation and pre-WWII Germany is economical and political; like Germany, we have turned to socialism for a quick solution to our financial crisis. What remains to be seen is how far the government will go to maintain control when the American People decide they've had enough.
As long as ill-informed, uneducated morons like your are allowed to vote, the situation will only get worse. I suggest you start practicing your goose-step, Adolph…


Audrey
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:33 am

This synopsis is to short, and vague, and the claims that we're moving this way or that way isn't sensible. Nope were in a system where everyone pays taxes even the wealthy. And that scares foreign wealthy wannabe imigrants. America does not accept the concept of high unemployment rates like Europe.


Michael
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:34 am

Oh great, another nutjob from South Carolina. What is in the water down there????

Didn't this guy pay attention during history class? This is NOTHING like Germany just before WWII, but that sure plays well to the dumbass bubbas in South Carolina and the dittoheads who can't think for themselves.

Will someone just shut these wackjobs up?


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:37 am

I didn't say either of us has more liberties…I said you are willing to give the govt more control of your life and I'm not…you are willing to increase tax (aka interference in my life) and I'm not…you're willing to allow things like cap and trade that give the govt control of how much energy I can consume…I am not…you are willing to allow the govt to take over private business rather than just letting them fail and reorganize as they should without interference from govt…I am not…you are willing to endorse govt sponsored health care and I am not…all of these things interfere with my life because I'm forced to pay for them…you accept big govt with a hand in all apects of your life…I do not.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:40 am

typo I meant 1607. Duh.


Ronald Leece
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:40 am

You need to go back to school. I never said anyhting about the importance of anyones life. You are a narrow minded stupid little person. I said not one of our sons or daughters lives was worth that igornant assholes little pet war.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:41 am

except for ss what type of tax do you actually that you don't get back on your returns… what you pay 2k in fed taxes per year wow!


josefpeterroemer
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Yeah!, right after you dumb ass republicans


michaelrmorgan
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:42 am

Read the constitution. The time is ripe


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:45 am

I think its funny how so many Americans pound their fists and demand freedom and civil liberties…..yet vote for liberal politicians who expand the reach of government and create more social programs. Social programs do nothing more than restrict the abilities of others in their PURSUIT (not guarantee) of happiness! If we're really serious about self reliance, then let's break away from “mama government's” nipple and take care of ourselves! For example, I have YET to have met ANYONE in favor of universal health care offer to subsidize a portion of THEIR OWN paycheck (without being mandated to do so) and donate it to someone without insureance. Why do we need “daddy government” to order us around, forcing us to take care of each other? Answer: WE DON'T! If you liberals are so adamant about your stupid welfare/lazy-ass programs, fund them yourselves!


Christopher
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:45 am

You are the whack job.

It's true. When government takes control in history, its not fought for, but begged for by the ignorant majority.


Ronald Leece
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:46 am

I never saw a a Congressmans son returned in a body bag from Iraq. You don't think very well on your own I suspect


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:46 am

I embrace the ideas that this country was founded on…limited govt with limited interference in my life…its sad that your would characterize that belief as other-worldly when it's the very impetus of our countries creation…very sad…I'm pretty sure your comment is more appropriately directed at yourself.


dser
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:47 am

Mason…your well-written and articulate reply illustrates DeMint's ill-conveyed fear…you and the growing number of New / True Americans simply cannot tolerate anyone who does not think like you do…anyone who is “contrary” to your line of reason is a racist, elitist, fascist, etc… if one just changes the nouns (New Americans + National Socialists / Nazis; racist / elitist = Jews / Christians ) in your piece and notes the fact that there are university after university full of self-important entitled white liberal Nazi's like yourself in the U.S. and you prove DeMint's point with much more eloquence than he could ever muster. Heil!


Jerry C.
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:47 am

I agree! Shut these wackjobs up…starting with you, Mr. Stupid!


janwn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:48 am

JasonRw… Aw! That's quite list of liberties thus far I have lost under GOP who screwed up free enterprise, and the free market system the way we once knew? or mismanaged it to end up in a trillion dollar hole? Who really screwed it all up? Big govt or should we say total absence of government under Bush? Whichever…


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:50 am

I'm ready to fund it, by the way i'm an MD and a entrepreneur and I donate my time for free health care…. Backward thinking folks like yourself will cause the demise of this country…


Ronald Leece
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:51 am

Na… we want your tax dollars. You don't seem to mind every congressmen and their families using your tax dollars for their health care. Hell, why not me too.


Joe
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:52 am

Demint's right. I was telling my wife before even reading this that this is somewhat of what it must have been like in Germany during Hitlers rise to power. I think people in the USA today have a better chance to avoid a dictatorial takeover than the German's did back then. Obama is a peacenik so I'm not worried about him trying to do what Hitler did but he is still a soft tyrant and that isn't acceptable. That's not the America I grew up in and that's not the America I want to leave to my children. He wants to control everyone and make them more dependent on the Federal Government. That's just his belief system, someone, somewhere taught him his ideology, perhaps Frank Marshall Davis who many say is the “Frank” he mentions in his book.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:52 am

to ed777:

You are an idiot. CANADA, a second rate nation??? Are you kidding me? Comments like that from Americans like you, embarrass those of us who have respect for other nations. The guy is 100% correct on his ideals. Lets be clear…we are a great nation, but we are not the greatest nation. Patriotism should be embraced, but ignorance and idiocy should not. Our founding father had the deepest respect for many other country's around the world including our northern cousins. By the way (BTW) if you haven't seen this lately because your head is in the sand, China makes more money than we do; China loans money to our government-not the other way around; most of the stuff you buy at Macy's, Walmart, or Home Depot comes form China. China has taller skyscrapers than we do; Chinese children outperform in academics than American children. SHALL I KEEP GOING?


burningtyger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:52 am

It's not just liberals. Don't forget about conservatives constitution-stomping when it comes to “national security.” Oh, and let's not forget their goal to be the “World Police”, which takes as much of the fruits of your labor (if not more) than the liberals “welfare/lazy-ass” programs. Both are wrong, and will in equal parts cause the demise of a nation once committed to the belief in individual liberty.


lakemich93
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:53 am

Capitalism can not bloom if wealthys are mainly responsible or punished by heavy tax law. You need to involve everybody to 'chip in' to give them ownership and responsibilities when time is bad. If mismanaged morgages or companies get benefit when hard working ordinary citizens/companies get none, this may temporarily help for those unfortunates however will create false impression that responsibility, planning and hard working don' t pay off. We need to have a simple, classic 'Reward and Punishment' message that everybody can understand and follow. Hard working, responsible people, give reward. Don't create a big government or micro law to control everything. More controlling units you create, less control you'll have and will be expensive. People will adapt. Trust your citizens and let democracy and capitalism lead.

Just my thought.

M


BT
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:53 am

What's interesting to me is that back before WWII we were the producer for the world. We even loaned Germany money much like China loans us money today. We called in those loans and Germany fell into depression in the 1930's. It's interesting to note that China is now the producer for the world. By making these comparisons, is it now China that will come out on top in the future?


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:56 am

You have no interest in free enterprise and free markets…don't try to pretend like you do. If you do, you can't possibly vote Democrat (unless your quite simply in the Dem voting block that doesn't even understand the difference between free enterprise/free markets and the socialist agenda propagated by your president). I want you to describe for me how Bush contributed to this horrible economy…please…educate me. I wonder if it had anything to do with Dems forcing private industry (banks) to give loans to those that otherwise could not qualify for them and even taking the step of backing those bad loans so that every Tom Dick and Harry can own a house…hmm…grand idea…I'm pretty sure Bush tried on several occasions to squash this senseless subsidy but alas, all you bleeding heart fools wouldn't dare allow that gift to be reneged. You're simply repeating what you hear in the media like a little toy soldier…good little Dem doing the job she was programmed to do…proud of you…keep up the good work


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:57 am

That's the perfect point. If we don't educate our people and prepare them for the future we will be doom for failure.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:59 am

You mean Bush and “his” DEMOCRAT CONGRESS??? Barney Frank ring a bell? How about Chris Dodd? Gee, funny how many DEMOCRATS' campaigns were financed by FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MACK. hmmmm


BT
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:59 am

What's interesting to me is that back before WWII we were the producer for the world. We even loaned Germany money much like China loans us money today. We called in those loans and Germany fell into depression in the 1930's. It's interesting to note that China is now the producer for the world. By making these comparisons, is it now China that will come out on top in the future?


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:01 am

JasonRW: You are a great American! Proof positive that you can beat a liberal into submission when armed with facts and evidence!


Bongo
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:03 am

Must happen…soon or later.


Skeptic
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:03 am

“Eleventh hour?” What about our former vice president. Why was the place he lived in as Vice President fussed out on Google Earth while he lived there. The day he moved out the Vice Presidents former home was no longer blocked out on Google Earth. Is that paranoia or what…or was there some other reason? hummmmmm I would add there are ways that both parties operate that I have disagreed with. Keep 'em all on their toes.


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:04 am

I'm an attorney and I donate my time as well (in addition to donating quite a lot of money…I just put together a huge charity golf tourney with all the proceeds donated to local children's charities…and your private, cowardly message insinuating that I only pay $2000 in tax per year…hilarious…I guarantee I pay more in tax than you make)…that's what it should be…the have's should be compelled to contribute on their own terms, not forced by their govt.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:04 am

I'm glad you donate your time for free health care. Why should I be FORCED to pay for it? Maybe I'd rather donate MY money to MY mom and dad's retirement funds. Why should I have to give that money to pay for someone else's health care?


dser
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:05 am

Maxamill…you make some sense but the problem lies in the issue of choice / force as it relates to taxes…if you want to pay for it that's great but assuming one doesn't partake, why should they have to pay? Eventually you end up with taxation without representation for groups not large enough to vote themselves the government benefits / spending that they want…the only way to justify that is to impose an agenda / ideology on evryone based on the premise that it is what is “best”…this is indisputably a fascist tenant and whether you arrive at fascism via over-securing the nation, social progressivi-sm, socialism, communism, nazi-ism, etc. it's still the same result. Centralization of government power becomes fascistic when it supercedes the right of the individual to make the choices neccessary for that person to pursue their own beliefs / happiness.


MadTom
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:05 am

DeMint is a whole lot like pre-World War II Germany.


michaelohara
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:06 am

Ahh … maybe I am missing something or I am being too simplistic. Wasn't Hitler on the extreme right of the political spectrum? I do not think Obama is anywhere near right of center or even center for that matter.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:07 am

Ronald Leece: I think Congressmen shouldn't have government funded health care either. They, like everyone else, should buy their own damn health care.


mrkickassdonkey
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:07 am

Republicans = failure.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:08 am

There are federal taxes buried in literally EVERYTHING you do. All of your utility bills have them, if you ever take a flight they are in there, if you smoke they just went up by more than 100%, alcohol tax, gas tax, used tire tax, there is a tax on electricity that is supposed to pay for research into renewable energy, they blew the money on other wasted spending and never did the research, there are thousands more, I can't list them all. There are many more coming such as a tax on the money you pay for your current health insurance, if cap and trade goes through electricity and gas and heating oil will double in price due to the huge tax increases, all told IF you can find them all and add them up you lose 50-60% of your annual income to taxes when you consider federal, state and local taxes. Many are hidden and very difficult to account for unless you do some research on them.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:09 am

BT: You are right on the money (no pun intended). That's exactly why this country needs to wake up!


tommurray
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:09 am

Since when under the last three presidents has anyone in the US government body listened to anything the common people have said in this country? If they had, we wouldn't be in this mess now.


janwn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:10 am

If free markets and free enterprise according to your theory does not work in what you call socialist Europe, how come they are able to produce and engineer cars such as Mercedes Benz and BMW's superior and much more liked than Chevrolet, Ford and Chrysler? Mm.. Mmm Mmm Mmmm… Mmmm? Even VW is not even looking at dethroning Toyota as the most sold cars in the world? Just watch China, India and Brazil taking over the US economy on it's knees. Free enterprise? Socialism? or just plain beating us at our own game????????


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:11 am

Great behavior for an MD…your vitriol and hate mongering is straight from the Dem playbook and I'm undeterred by it. I do quite well and to insinuate otherwise is just your wishful thinking…LOL. God help me if I ever have a shallow minded dr like you at my bedside.


Shawn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:12 am

Unlike Germany of that time, we haven't even attempted to tackle “The Jewish Question”. If we don't, we'll NEVER be like Germany in 1933, no matter what happens to this country….


dollorbil
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:12 am

I think this person is looking through rose colored glasses. He does not see the history of the american people we have have recesisions over the years and some finanial panics like the panic of the 1880's and the great depression. People here do things a whole lot different than other countries. Everyone comes together no shoot each other. Dems and repubs have had battles but in the end they will work together unless we sell most of our assests to overseas buyers ie.. China Not getting control of our foreign debt is the only way to break the USA and then it would not happen if we decided to close up shop and only worry about us.and say to hell with the world.


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:13 am

yea…Reagan was pure failure, right? LOL.


dser
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:13 am

Either extreme winds up at teh same place -fascism. Hitler was a socialist (far left) and a nationalist (far right)…mainly he was an elitist that tolerated no opposition (fascist)…same with Mussolini (far left socialist who by forcing his ideology on the country he led came full circle to fascist). What Obama and Hitler have in common position-wise doesn't matter as much as the fact that they seem to share some similarities in regard to their willingness to use government to enforce social agenda in a universal manner.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:14 am

I respect your point but if government does nothing and just have citizens implement their own thing (policy) then we will have a total disaster. I believe in small government also but there need to be opportunities for all to succeed and compete for themselves and to help the country also compete! I think the actions that are being implement now is necessary.


Joe
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:15 am

It depends on your point of view. I think younger, poorer people will get better health care but older less healthy people who need more specialized care will get worse health care and no one can convince me otherwise. As I age (I'm mid 50's), why do I want to suffer so Obama can hike my taxes and worsen my healthcare in the process?

Leave the coverage in the private sector and make it guaranteed issue so everyone can get it. If they can't afford it then they should either have access to government run clinics or the government has to subsidize their premium. The amount of the subsidy should be based on their means, but people will try and game the system by reducing their taxable income by working for cash but that's always been a problem.

No way should the government run this ridiculous insurance exchange which is just another government agency we have to fund with even more taxes, and they shouldn't offer a “public option” which they will just use to wipe out the private sector.

If you are an MD and a businessman your view is definitely in the minority of those types of people.


tommurray
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:16 am

You better wake up and smell the roses, it wasn't Bush who started shipping the better paying jobs out of the country, he only went along with the money grab for the communist Chinese because Clinton started the rampage west. Obama promised jobs and what dose his think tank committee do in saving GM? Send 21,000 more jobs to China. These brilliant, over educated, but naive politicians have no idea how to run a business or a country. If we quit voting in lawyers and businessmen this country would regain its freedom for all.


whitetiger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:16 am

We need to, somehow,reinstate ourselves as a constitutional republic. The tenth amendment must be enforced, and the national government withdrawn from all functions not specifically authorized in the constitution.
Congress must take control of the Federal Reserve, dissolve it, and replace it with a national Bank not infiltrated by the Rothschilds and/or their subsidiaries.

The ineligible usurper in the white house must be so proven, imprisoned, and his messes cleaned up.

Finally, the 60,112,190 moral morons who put this babykilling, perverted communist in power must be disenfranchised.


tommurray
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:17 am

Yeah, you'll fund it alright by over charging the people you are raping today.


burningtyger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:18 am

We need more discussion and reason, and less blind loyalty and name calling. This goes for both sides of the party barrier. Listen to what others have to say, try to understand where they are coming from. Not everyone who disagrees with you is stupid and evil. If you disagree, state your reasons. And both sides should not be afraid to change their minds in the light of evidence. It is not a great sin to be wrong. I have been wrong many times in my life, and will be many, many more. But I take pride in the fact that I am willing to consider that, and then change my mind if need be. In my opinion, we need more of that from everybody if we are to survive. Otherwise, we might as well all gather into two great mobs, choose a leader for each mob, and then do and believe everything they say, until we all kill each other. Then the rest of the parts of the world that are not doing the same exact thing will come in and enjoy what the rest of us had and lost.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:18 am

The failure of the Republicans was drifting away from the Contract With America. The Republicans decried Democrat programs while creating their own (Medicare Part D). I'm not conviced that the Republicans are wrong in their ideals, they went about it hte wrong way. Americans want less government control, not more (which IS a Republican ideal). The problem with the way the Republicans enacted MORE legislation and added MORE burecratic tape in doing so! haha- which i admit, is azz backwards!


dser
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:19 am

Just change “Jew” to Christian (or even worse “evangelical” or “fundametalist”) and you see that there is a group that the elitists in this country are in the first stages of eradicating via distorted media portrayals (propopaganda). True liberals / progressives cannot stand devout people, especially Christians…if people like Bill Maher and 90% of the news media had their way they would implement the Final Solution here as well…just with a different group.


tracyk
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:20 am

I personally keep waiting for the government to function as it was intended. If you are unsure of how our founding fathers felt about government and how much power it had then I suggest you read the Constitution. It explains what powers the federal government should have and everything and I mean everything else is left up to the states. We should not have a federalized anything except the military and that is in coordination with the states.


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:20 am

Well…I don't think I'll need to say much to this post…it pretty laughable without me even having to comment. Where was the car invented? How about electricity/lightbulbs? The phone? Airplanes? PC? I could go on and on. Do you know why they were invented here and not in Europe or elsewhere? Let me help you with that…free enterprise. The only way Europe and other countries will out produce the ingenuity of the US is if we stoop to their level of socialist defeatism. You're making my argument for me…the reason you are seeing them make gains on us is because we are starting to play at their level…thanks for making my point genius…peace.


bocephusjosephus
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:21 am

jrw… the Democrats were not Federalists, they were anti-Federalists. If you mean their roots were in the Federalist Party because without the Federalists they didn't have a reason to be in opposition, then yeah they had “roots” in the Federalist Party. The Federalists were the party of Hamilton, the Democrats (called Democratic-Republicans back then) were the party of Jefferson… a pretty damn good reason why Federalists and Democrats weren't ever alike. The Federalist Party then died and the ex-Federalists together with the anti-Andrew Jackson Democrats became the National Republican Party (the NRP not the GOP). And the National Republican Party joined with the Anti-Masonic Party to become the Whigs. Why use the name Whig Party… probably because the pre-Revolution patriots identified with the British Whigs, and the Republicans like nuthin' better than wrappin' themselves in the flag by association.
Lincoln was in the Whig Party.
And when the Whig Party failed, Lincoln like most ex-Whigs joined the “new” Republican Party… and he became president as a Republican… I know how Republicans love to remind everybody Lincoln was a Republican… because of course they don't have a Jefferson in their party history.
Except, uh oh, Republicans forget to mention the part where Lincoln quits the Republicans to join the National Union Party for his second term.
Starting to sound familiar yet?… the Republicans driving out decent members of its own party.
Then they drove out Teddy Roosevelt… too much of an environmentalist and a trust buster.
Oh, but they did embrace Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrats.. to become the new home for segregationists.
Gee, kinda puts a dent in your “Democrats are the party of the KKK” dream.


gello
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:22 am

Germany was a social democracy before world war II?


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:23 am

I guess the true color of the neocon just raised its head… Your time has pass, luckily we (Americans) are more educated…..


Steve B.
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:24 am

moron


dser
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:24 am

I respect your point as well…something is needed in regard to health care…I would just like to see that something respect individual liberty and the importance of fiscal responsibility (as that affects us all, whether it be Iraq or health care, its the same result) choice rather than Obama's policy (as I've heard it put forth thus far).


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:25 am

JOE: You're absolutely right. If you go to Mark Levin's website, there is (at least there WAS) a link to showing the hundreds of Canadian people who were turned away from their government run hospitals.


michaelohara
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:25 am

It seems every government does that to a certain extent.


Name
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:26 am

So advice from riotous fools in Iran is needed to improve America??
Which riot though, the “death to America” one or the “death to their own government”.
They know alot about…..death.
I'm interested in health care, not death to something.


Vaughn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:26 am

You're absolutely right.


dser
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:26 am

Word.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:27 am

Well put! this is ridiculous while we are here fighting each other China and India are slowly gaining. Yes we are one of the two super powers but look what that got USSR. We need to wake up, it's us against the rest of the world…. and they would be happy to see us fall…


Steve B.
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:28 am

What is a 'neocon'?


burningtyger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:28 am

+2 points for knowing a little history. -3 points for the blatant one-sided slant on that same history. This is why we all fail.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:29 am

If the citizens “implement their own thing”???? THATS THE DEFINITION OF FREEDOM!


dser
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:29 am

Technically…Hitler and Mussolini were both socialists who confiscated political capital by spinning their ideology as necessary for their peoples' / nations' survival / best interests.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:30 am

First, for Mason Shepherd : Your blog was the most Racist writing ever. I mean OMG! If civil war is what you want, a civil war is what you get. America cannot tolerate racism like yours.

Second, mint is correct. Unless you have a 12th grade education, you may not understand his concepts. So some of you are probably high school dropouts.

Third, I am a Republican, but I hated Bush more than I have ever hated a President. He is truly the scum of the earth.

Fourth, why is America allowing (Democrat or Republican) China to make 90% of our goods we buy? Because this is same mentality we had when we believed Bush when he said there are weapons of mass destruction. For instance, XYZ company makes hammers in America by paying American workers $20 per hour. Owner or CEO wants to increase profits and takes the factory to China. Chinese workers get $2 per hour and the total cost of making hammers including import costs- cost XYZ less money, thereby increasing profits. However, as much good as this does to XYZ company, all of its American workers are now looking for employment. But they only have the skills to make hammers so they enlist in a government approved program to retrain workers. Meanwhile, China is getting tax monet form the factory making hammers and its Citizens are employed. The United States now has to pay workers for unemployment and for other services, like job training, borrow money from China who is happy to loan money…with interest, of course. Years go by and now America want so borrow more money. Chinese citizens are all employed, have a great education system, are building tall skyscrapers, and in essence, are laughing all the way to the bank. You know, the Bank of China. meanwhile the peiople on this blog are being duped by looking at one hand and then being stabbed with the other.

If we do not get control of this situation soon, China won't have to go to war for parts of America, (say California) they will just buy it with all the money they made from us.


gwilsey
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:32 am

Ah yes socialism is on the way.Thank you mister Obama!


glennalso
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:35 am

We need to cleanse this government.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:37 am

Let's face it, The Constitution is a rule book for the government. It basically says, “The Feds can do this this and this….what hasnt been mentioned goes to the states, and whatever the states don't take care of falls on the individual.”


dser
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:37 am

A”New” Conservative-usually used in a negative manner, like neo-classical (music) or more closely, Neo-marxist.


Vaughn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:38 am

I agree. But how? Will it come to a revolution? Voting them out doesn't/won't work.


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:38 am

Not really…that was how long ago that the Republicans embraced Strom Thurmond and the Dixiecrats?? Byrd is still elected and still in office TODAY despite being a KKK leader, so no, I don't think it hurts my dream. My point was that it was silly to bring up the Whig party…parties evolve and years later don't even resemble themselves. Heck, Jefferson would almost certainly be a Republican today. He despised big govt…specifically said in a letter to Madison when discussing the Constitution that the people should not feel their govt…as I'm sure you know he preferred a weaker Fed govt and apposed Hamilton's expansionist ideas. I'm not sure that modern day liberals should be embracing Jefferson as the father of their party…I'm fairly certain he's rolling in his grave. I do however appreciate your grasp of history…I love history and we definately have that in common.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:39 am

Now that's what I'm talking about!! I think you need to post that again. I don't think the get it!


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:39 am

The government isn't in need of cleansing….its our elected officials that need cleansing! Thank God for Election Day!


smapdi
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:40 am

Lots of nice comments about Jews and Blacks controlling everything and stealing elections.
People who think like this are suffering racist delusions. You have more rights at the moment under Obama (rights to bear arms on federal land, rights to confront your accuser in court) than you had under Bush, but this is called tyranny because the GOP lost the election. Doubleplusgood.


Steve B.
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:40 am

I would suggest that everyone stop and and a deep breath and look up the meaning on fascism in their Funk and Wagnel's and then panic.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:40 am

Voting them out DOES work. We need to get good people elected. With all of this technology, educating people on the issues is getting easier and easier to do.


rstevenpage
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:40 am

I just wish people would stop referencing the founding fathers. It sounds like wistful longing for the old days. They represented propertied white men and told the rest of us to go to hell. They did build elasticity into the constitution and leave it at that. The world is changing, folks. It always has, always will. The Great Britain after WWII was a vastly different place than before. They lost their Empire and got over it. Will someone please point out to me to the immutable law that says America MUST maintain its status as first among equals? Can't do it, can you? This Empire will go the way of other empires, and I'm an American who loves his country. Nothing lasts forever, my friends.


No_Insanity
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:41 am

Way ahead of you, Senator. I've seen it coming for a while now. Heil, Amerika!


Steve B.
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:42 am

“Neo-Marxist?' How does that translate into Repubilican?


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:42 am

This thing about big government small government wont get us nowhere. Just give me a good functioning government that put us back on track and i'm good. I don't care it's a Republican, Democrat or whatever, just get this country producing and out performing again.


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:43 am

On the one hand, you rail against the perceived (I have not read it) racism of this person and on the other you assume without an iota of evidence that “… China won't have to go to war for parts of America….”, implying that without a doubt China will make war against the U.S. Are we to take what is your assumption for which you provide no substantive supporting evidence or rationale as the truth? My point is, you shouldn't go around stating things for which you cannot provide substantive evidence on. That is insulting to other readers here and exposes your statements as immature rantings.


Vaughn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:43 am

I agree that technology does allow more Americans to talk openly about issues and how to resolve them. I don't agree that voting them out works. Not when we only have 2 parties to choose from (realistically at this point) and when it costs any candidate millions to even run.


Vaughn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:43 am

I agree that technology does allow more Americans to talk openly about issues and how to resolve them. I don't agree that voting them out works. Not when we only have 2 parties to choose from (realistically at this point) and when it costs any candidate millions to even run.


Vaughn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:43 am

I agree that technology does allow more Americans to talk openly about issues and how to resolve them. I don't agree that voting them out works. Not when we only have 2 parties to choose from (realistically at this point) and when it costs any candidate millions to even run.


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:46 am

So you're content to let your country go down the drain? Your nihilistic and pessimistic attitude is part of the problem, my friend.


Key_Mark
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:46 am

If we measure the amount of taxes that go to worthwhile ventures, versus the amounts that are slobbered into legislation like a pig in a sty, (such as $400m ear marked for Pakistani Casualty & Remuneration) You will find that this country STILL thinks it can buy it's friends & allies, with an overinflated dollar. BTW I was never aware of any Pakistani war we were in, I thought it was Iraq & Afghanistan? Why this country finds it necessary to rebuild infrastructure in 3rd world countries, while our bridges are collapsing under our OWN expensive, tax ladened Tires………give ME a BREAK!!!!!!!!!!


Steve B.
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:47 am

Actually the Dem's were the party of slavery, i.e. the 'copperheads' and the KKK was formed was formed by ex-confederate veteran's of civil war, all Democrats, i.e. 'the solid south'.


JR
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:47 am

Very well put. I too believe information can make a difference. As far as Government growth is concerned, I believe it is necessary for progress but if it isn't in place with respect for human rights and becomes strictly a regulatory force it will be corrupted. It crossed my mind the other day, and is just a hypothisis at this point, that our American currency is education. Our entire culture is built around the idea that the education of all citizens is potenially worth more than GOLD and as an American I have always viewed everyone around the world as citizens…so here in America, I have never fussed about our government giving currency away.
I am self employed and use all the intellect possible to stay that way. It's like being part of the natural order of things. Intelligence leads to a desire to be free, so I, with my comrades, forage for food ie: work and look for opportunities in everything. It's like being “free” from the fences of regulated workdays. I like to see myself as the wolf or bear or deer or skunk, or duck or whatever wild animal there is that has the freedom to forage. Yes, there is risk but being free keeps you aware rather than domesticated to the point of oblivion or obliviousness, and being one who values freedom I would never want to be declawed….ie: no gun control. The natural wild world is not really a predictiblly safe one. Freedom to protect yourself preserves peace….one can never uninvent the gun so its probably in the best interst of all to get trained to use one properly with a good foundation in human rights.


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:47 am

But why should we purposely accelerate her demise??? We know what types of things we should not do if we still want to be a world leader but we do the exact opposite. I also find it alarming that you have disdain for being first among equals…it has led to so much good in this world…far more good than bad.


bocephusjocephus
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:48 am

A little history??… I cover over 225 frickin' years to point out the Republicans are are in a crash-burn-rise-from-the-ashes endless loop and I get a points deduction for “slantin' a little bit of history”
Well thanks coach… and I hope next year they move you up from coachin' JV to the varsity team.
You want to know what slantin' a little history is… it's everything DeMint said…like: “I talked to an immigrant who knows what socialism looks like” (well, there's a mighty thesis)
or how about… Hey man, America's just like Germany in the 30's man. Whaddya callin' me a liar?Hey man, we're goin down the same path as Germany in the 30's man.


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:50 am

Totally agree. What the hell is that kind of money going to a third world country for? We need the money right here, we've got casualties (economic, etc.) and we need to get remunerated right here in this country if that kind of money is available for Pakistan! What idiots!


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:50 am

great post!


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:52 am

VAUGHN: You seem like a pretty smart guy and a common sense kinda guy too! Let's face it, sometimes we get 2 candidates in a given election and it's like “nuts or guts, take your pick!” hahaha- Fortunately, with technology, we can better educate ourselves and stay informed. That way, whether a conservative or a liberal wins the election, WE THE PEOPLE are armed with facts when we call and write our elected officials.


jim
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:52 am

So that means Obama is Hitler??? Very fucking funny you republican whack jobs


schezarde
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:57 am

True, government is inefficient. But the private sector is based on selfishness and greed. The private sector, if left unchecked will screw up many people's lives (CEOs running the company to the ground and taking multi-million dollar bonuses, the development of toxic assets and the real estate bubble). Only the government is capable of keeping an eye on the greedy immoral criminals that occasionally claw their way to the top of companies. The government doesn't always do a good job on protecting its citizens from being taken advantage of. And true, the government itself has many many corrupt individuals. But there is no other alternative.

And for those people who want less government, what if education was privatized? Only the wealthy would be able to afford an education. The poor would never even be able to step into a classroom. Think of all the illiterate unskilled and uneducated people that will live in the U.S. They won't have any opportunity to live the American dream or a chance to live a better life. This situation is not only bad for them, but also for the rich. Will crime increase? Will there be more burglaries and murders? Will there be more gangs and drug dealers? Will there be more kidnappings? We all live in the same country. We are connected. If one group of people suffers, everyone is affected.

For those of you who are paranoid about socialism. Socialism is not 100% bad. Many other countries that have socialist health care systems that work better than ours. Our health care system is ranked 37th in the world by the WHO!! Out of all the 1st world countries, we are at the bottom. In Japan, an MRI costs $98 where in the U.S. it's $1200. In Taiwan, the administrative costs is 2% compared to 22% in the US. So before you start shouting that socialism is “ALWAYS WRONG” just remember that our health care system is even worse.

Here's the answer to health care reform:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/video/f…

And regarding the whole the US is like pre-WW2 Germany, I would like to say that many Americans like the Germans back then suffer from superiority-complex. They are self-obsessed, arrogant, and have delusions of grandeur. So many tragedies have resulted because of people with superiority-complexes. Think of all the wars, the ethnic cleansing, the oppression based on religion, ethnicity, or race.

It's quite easy to see which Americans have a superiority-complex. They like to shout “We're number 1! We're number 1!” They like to think that the U.S. is the best country in the whole world and that anybody that criticizes the US is being unpatriotic. First of all, anyone that has a sense of intelligence, knows that there is no number one country in the world. Each country has its own strengths and weaknesses. Sure, we might have the best military in the world, but we have one of the worst health care systems out of the first world countries. Foreign students outperform us all the time. We have one of the highest crime rates (in terms of homicides) out of all the first world countries. We are being out-competed in many industries (automobile to name just one). Our country has one of the largest debts (how many trillions now?) We even caused the global financial crisis.

Regarding people who say that criticizing the US makes you unpatriotic, I would like to suggest the opposite. If you really care about the US, you would want to make it a better place. In order to do so, you would first have to find its weaknesses and places that need improvement. Then you would have to find out how to improve (ex: by looking at other countries who are better than us in those particular areas). So, the real patriots are those who sees America's faults and tries to improve them whereas the unpatriotic people are those who blindly believe that America is the best place in the world and attack anyone who says otherwise.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:57 am

Please tell me you're joking!


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:57 am

Don't understand why you have to use the f word in every sentence. You're a shining example of the excellent educational system of this country, congratulations.


Vaughn
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:58 am

Gal, actually. :) True. I've made a point in the last year to write to elected officials every time I'm truly invested in an issue. Problem is, I don't think those officials are listening. Politicians seem to listen to dollars, not letters. That's why I ask if it'll take a revolution to change things. That or we the people will really have to increase the pressure to keep them accountable.


benny5789
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:59 am

wow i think some people really need to get out and read up on the history of WWII and nazi history


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:02 am

Great piece!


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:03 am

All take note…this is liberal behavior…foul, name calling and failing to understand that an absolute parallel was not the intent when comparing him to Hitler…I hardly think he intended to mean that Obama would attempt genocide.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:03 am

We the average guys on the street can do that….BUY AMERICAN (whenever posssible!) Shop at local mom n pop stores that use American made goods. And for Godsake, would it kill you people to drive an American car?!


scourge456
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:04 am

The revolution is coming

Crony Capitalism needs to die

We need real Capitalism


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:08 am

Your approach is laudable in that you seem like you want what is best for this country. But when you state that there is no other alternative but government, or that Socialism is not 100% bad, that's where we have to part ways. It'll take a book to explain why so I'll leave it at that. Also, you lament that we have “…one of the highest crime rates…out of all the first world countries.”. Are you going to tell me now that that's because it is our society's fault that made these people criminals? Throughout human history there were two kinds of people, those who worked hard to try to live a better life without excuses for their environment, and those that always blame others or society or the environment for their behavior. The problem with this country right now is that people who don't work hard have the entitlement mentality, those who commit crimes blame their behavior on the other races or society in general. This is the social cost that is incrementally driving this country further down the drain.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:08 am

(As soon as i typed the word “guy” I knew you would tell me you're a woman! hahaha) Politicians DO respond to dollar signs, but I think that increased pressure in the newsmedia, calling talk radio, writing letters/emails DOES get attention. I don't think a violent revolution is in order at this time in America. This country has survived far worse.


JJPRESIDENT
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:09 am

THIS GUY IS A COMPLETE IDIOT . IT'S LIKE HE LIVES IN A DIFFERNT WORLD . I REMEBER REGAN WITH HIS BULLSHIT TRICKLE DOWN THEORY , CUTTING OF TAXES FOR THE RICH WHILE PEOPLE SLEPT OUTSIDE ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. WHAT ABOUT THE LAST 8 YEARS UNDER MR.WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRACTION G.W.BUSH. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT , MASSIVE LAYOFFS , AND A PARTY THAT REFUSES TO ACKNOWLEDGE THEY CAYSED THIS WITH THEIR POLICIES. SO YES LETS INFORM THE PUBLIC THAT THIS GUY AND PEOPLE OF HIS ILK ARE WHAT'S WRONG THIS COUNTRY. THANK YOU


jasonRw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:10 am

Tell me, what's the criteria used to rank health care?? To say US health care is ranked 37th in the world is absolutely CRAZY. I guarantee you're looking at something that ranks them based on cost, which is absurd because you are not considering economies of scale. Why is something more expensive in CA than OH, for example? Sure health care needs reform but govt is not the answer. You need to take a class in supply and demand…to say that privatizing school would result in only the rich being able to go to school is hilarious…really. Everything you buy is privatized rather than govt produced…is there nothing you can afford since its not produced by the govt…your assertions are absurd.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:11 am

Voting them out can only go so far. There are far too many appointed beurocrats with far too much power that are electorally untouchable. Just how many Tzars do we need anyway??? Revolution is the last resort, educating the people about the corruption in place and the constitution are the best options right now. Demanding a reduction in the size and scope of government and electoral punishment for all who resist is the only cure. It took abour 80 years to get to this point we can't undo it all overnight, there needs to be a line in the sand and a pushback. I think we are getting close to that point.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:11 am

What's with the liberal buzz words, and where do you come up with this stuff? hahah- “neo con” “crony capitalism”! Is this a secret language or something?


beowolfe
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:13 am

My point is, you shouldn't go around stating things for which you cannot provide substantive evidence on

There has been nothing said on this thread (even the comments by the Senator) that have had any “substantial evidence” to back them up. This thread is all about feelings and those feelings are being reinforced by whatever innate prejudices each of you have brought with you. Nothing here is analytical; not the claim that we're veering toward socialism; not the claim that we're like Germany prior to WWII, none of it. If you look at Germany prior to WWII, the only thing we have in common is a major economic problem. Germany's problem was hyper-inflation. Our is a financial system that broke. Two very very different problems.

We all need to take a chill pill, step back, give the appropriate amount of time for new economic policies to have their effect. If that effect is not desirable, then we replace the people at the helm. It's as simple as that. Watching some of my fellow citizens today makes me wonder if there is something cosmic going on that is causing people to become irrational.


dalep1981
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:15 am

Trickle down economics DID work.


schezarde
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:15 am

When I was talking about the high crime rate, I was merely giving an example of where the US is not the best. It was just an argument against those people that blindly believe that the US is always number 1. I was just trying to instill some humility into people. And maybe to get them to think about other countries and maybe have some respect to others.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:17 am

You are kidding me, right. First, Mason Shepard's comments were racist. I do not need to have evidence of this as for the fact that I (and maybe some others) were offended. His Rhetoric was written with a racist flavor with a slight hint of hatred and a dash of jealousy. If you do not think it was, then say you do not think it was. Last o n this issue, he may not be a racist as I did not call him a racist. I said his writing was racist. Again, I perceive his comments as racist. Maybe if he were to reword what he said and state it in a different tone.

Next, I did not say anything to the extent that China “without a doubt” will in fact take over California. However, I used that analogy jokingly because many people think the reason why we need such a huge military is to prevent foreign Armies from invading, and ultimately taking over, our country. And since there is no single Army that could take over our country, but say China, that is why I mentioned China.

That being said, this nation is no longer the “world” leader. If you read my fourth point from my previous blog, you would understand that this country is in bad shape, economically, politically, and educationally. There was a recent poll that asked individuals around the world who asked who they thought which country was the “world” leader? Overwhelmingly the results said that China was now the world leader. Its kind of like GM getting kicked off its perch by Toyota. Most Americans with such strong patriotism, is having a hard time swallowing this reality. You know, it sthe American ego thing. In time, we will eventually fall further downward. If we as Americans want to re-gain our world dominance, we need to change our political focus. This focus could be political or economical. Our focus could be eliminating more scocial services, or on the other hand increase social services. Either way, what we are doing is not working.

Take my story in my prior post about XYZ company. Are Americans better off to support XYZ company (and it making bigger profits), or is it supporting the unemployed workers? What is best for America, one company or the country as a whole?

Whatever way you want to answer is fine, but as the old saying goes..if it ain't broken, don't fix it. Well, Its broken. How are you going to do that?

Lastly, if you don't think America is like Germany before WWII, than sir, I'd have to say you have been in a closet. Right now, America could not be in more disarray than it ever has in the history of the country's existence. I could name several dozens of things that are problematic. Whether Democrat or Republican, whether white or black, whether Jew, Muslim , or Christian, this country is headed for disaster.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:19 am

That rank has nothing to do with the quality of health care. We are ranked 37th because we don't have socialized healthcare. We have the highest suvival rates for just about every form of cancer, low infant mortality, and access to the very best technology on the planet. That puts our health care industry at the top of the list in my book. What is never talked about in this debate is the fact that federal law already mandates that anyone who needs treatment must get it regardless of their ability to pay. That would make the case for social medicine a lot more of a hard sell.


skaredkraut
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:19 am

Yes, I'm from Germany, and it all appears familiar. To nationalize a free economy, avoid the mistakes of the Communists who used force; you need: above all, a silver tongue, so what you say matters less than how you say it. The media and the Universities must adore you, and the very few that don't you ignore, ridicule, threaten, or silence (with a Fairness Act). Pick one economic sector at the time, buy it out (stimulus), or impose impossible demands, and when the price of their product soares, protect the people and impose price controls. The private owners will get out, rather than face unending losses, and since the product is essential, the government has to step in and take over. Pick one sector after another: banking, automobiles, housing, utilities (environment! electricity, gas, oil, coal), health care. If you do it right, fast, and with the support of enough likeminded adorers, you will succeed, because you CAN fool almost all the people all the time – and then they will vote for you again and again. In my opinion, America will never recover from the present socialist attacks.


jamesroe
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:21 am

Great start on the issue, keep it up so people will begin to see government is not the answer. Fifty plus percent of american jobs are now government jobs. How better to control the sheeple. It's a crime when the best job available is working for the government. Look how long government has controlled votes through our welfare system. Most of Obama supporters are still standing around waiting for their next handout. Instead of manufacturing jobs we have a tin cup mentality. Next should be a fair tax to replace the present system


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:22 am

So I why are you not back in Germany by now!


schezarde
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:22 am

The US health care system was ranked 37th by the World Health Organization.
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_centre/press_…


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:22 am

Do you need evidence on how bad our economy is?
Do you need evidence on how bad our educational system is?
Do you need evidence on how bad our unemployment rate is?
Do you need evidence on how divided this country is? Racially, ethnically, culturally, linguistically?
Do you need evidence on how America is no longer the “Super” power it once was?
Do you need evidence on how huge our national debt has grown?

So you can't find that evidence? Ah, watch the news. Read newspapers. Read the Internet. Read international newspapers. Take a vacation overseas (outside of North America). And you will be enlightened with evidence.


bitterclinger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:27 am

If that got you heated you will love this. Check out the Global Poverty Act that was introduced by Obama himself when he was in the senate. s 2433. That one would really dump our money down a rathole. Just goes to show you where the current administrations priorities are and we just don't rate.


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:27 am

Ok I'll take that answer. Going by your approach, I'd like to suggest to those (the government, and others such as corporations, individuals, etc., that want handouts basically) who'd like to have government perform and control social engineering or control the distribution of wealth that that is also a “fault” in this country. Also, those that do not work hard nor try earnestly to find work but have the entitlement mentality and the “society-owes-me”, “certain race owes me” mentality, and those that justify their criminal behavior with such mentality are at “fault” and are menaces to the long-term well being of this country. So it's a two way street, all “faults” must be seen and indicted.


beowolfe
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:30 am

My finding evidence and this conversation being 'evidenced based' are two very different things………just as evidence and anecdotal tales are two very different things. The Senator told an anecdotal tale (if it was even true). Everyone here is telling their own anecdotal tales.

Yes, I need evidence to tell how bad our economy is. Don't you? Do I need evidence that it's bad? No, I don't. Do you understand the difference between those two things?

We complain about current education system, looking at the comments on this thread it appears the system that was in place 20, 30, 40, or 50 years ago didn't produce too many paragons of intelligence and/or analytical thinking.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:30 am

Great discussion people! From reading these post I really feel we need to improve our education system. Also world and American history need to be part of the core!


KDNY
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:31 am

Wow, how fast we get riled up to accuse and abuse each other.Maybe a good reason for government is protection, and that's what we have…without too much intrusion. We can all say what we want, and when it comes down to it that is exactly my point. WE CAN INTERACT TOGETHER. Unlike Iranians, non muslims in muslim countries, and non communists in communist countries. So where does the name calling get us? The problem is we get bogged down in trivialities so easy. Deal with facts. We are not close to Hitlers' Germany, thank God. Obama is not Hitler or an anti Christ. Come on get real, we are Americans before Republican or Democrat, conservative or liberal. But, you are entitled to say what you want. People are just more likely to listen and learn from your point of view when you behave intelligently.
What do we want in America? Safety, Freedom, persuit of happiness, education, good health, and equality. We are still a young nation and we are pretty close to achieving these things. What is blocking us today is that government, state and federal have bogged down in , well, politics, and corruption. I live in a state where for a month now we can't operate because political parties have put themselves before the very people they serve. It is up to us to get back our government. Congress forgot their promises before the first gavel was struck. we are off track. What we need are ways to get back on track. Any one out there with real ideas?


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:34 am

Name some instances this country has survived “far worse.” Please don't name any wars.

At no time have we had:
2 wars being fought at the same time while we are experiencing the second worst economic disaster in this country's history. While at the same time experience severe illegal immigration while the unemployment rate nears 10%, and in many places higher. While American home values have plummeted to almost half its 2007 value. (50% loss in 2 years). While our attorney general calls all Americans “cowards” because we all fail to discuss race relations. And guess what, Slavery ended over 150 years ago. Don't call white racist, as we all know there are the same percentage of racist blacks as there are racist whites. We are all to blame and we all need to work on this issue.

Lets go further. While this country's educational system continues to plummet to depths never seen since when…the civil war era. America is ranked 20 or worse worldwide and depending on which source you choose, we may be ranked even worse. For God sakes brother..don't you get it?

Shall I keep going. Do you need MORE evidence.


beowolfe
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:35 am

Your take on the XYZ company brings me back to a discussion I've tried to have several times with several different people. The question is, what is the purpose of our economic system? And is that purpose at odds with the purpose of the political system that created it?


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:35 am

You stated it quite simply and plainly. Those who have the entitlement mentality are easy to control by social engineering and handouts, meanwhile government gets bigger and bigger and continues on in its self-perpetuating path. At that point, the very reason for government to exist in the first place is long since forgotten or ignored. It then has grown into an entity who's sole interest is in its preservation and growth, nothing else.


schezarde
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:35 am

That's a good point and I agree with you that people with an entitlement mentality and who don't work hard is not benefiting our society or this country as a whole. I do not have an answer to this problem. Do you have any suggestions?


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:37 am

Lets focus on education and health care for our people first. I feel the rest will take care of itself. We are Americans all we need are opportunities!


rstevenpage
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Jason; Sometimes the tide of history sweeps everything before it and nothing can stand in its way. The Aztec, the Inca, the Apache – all of these fought to stem the tide of European explorers. But their time was up, they were about to be displaced. And there wasn't a damn thing they could do about it. The dinosaurs ruled for hundreds of millions of years. Where are they now? (Okay, birds, but you get my point). When that big asteroid plowed into the Gulf of Mexico 65mya, their time was up. As for TrOb, I'm not “content” to let it go down, I see it as part of a natural cycle. Rather than being first among equals, I see america as competing with equally powerful adversaries. And FYI, I'm a black american who realizes that without slavery my ass would likely be starving in some flyblown village in Africa.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:42 am

That was Awesome.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:43 am

you are absurd.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:44 am

Agreed!


RSandford
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:46 am

These people are a joke! Where was DeMint four years ago during the Bush Administration when we really were like pre-war Germany?


beowolfe
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:50 am

Something tells me that you really believe what you're saying. However, if you would think for a minute. What good does it do a country to be able to deliver the finest healthcare on the planet if only a portion of the population can access it?

Here is my anecdotal tale for the evening. And you might want to think about healthcare not only being a driving part of the economy but all a 'driven' part of the economy. My primary care physician is closing his practice at the end of this month. He says it's because of a drop in office visits which he attributes to the rising administrative costs necessitated in order to keep up with insurance company requirements and the negative economic impacts on his patients ie job losses.

As there are more and more of him, there will be fewer and fewer primary care physicians. You can access our healthcare system in one of two ways, through a primary care physician or through the emergency room. If enough primary care physicians call it a day, then what?

Have any of you ever wondered if having every segment of the economy privatized is the best thing to do? I am a believer in managed capitalism. As such, I think there are a couple of things that should be taken out of the for profit equation. One is healtcare. I'm not talking about the providers, but the insurance companies. Imagine if the cost of healthcare in the US could be lowered by all of the profit generated from healthcare by the insurance companies! Yes, that would be a single payer system, an idea that I'm not crazy about. But some version of that system is the only true way to reduce the profits of the insurance companies and lower healthcare costs………..IMO.


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:51 am

I don't pretend to know the answers nor do I have a comprehensive answer. But, start by removing the props that are supporting this “entitlement mentality”, stop trying to control the distribution of wealth (by that I mean don't try to feed off of and unfairly tax those who have earned their wealth lawfully), stop encouraging lazy people to feed off of welfare, do not reward people who do not try to do hard work, do not incentivize not working, do not try to socially engineer entry into the job market and the advanced educational system based on race, do not cater to PC which hides the real issues and the hard debates that have to done to really solve problems, do not hide the real racial/crime issues under PC, do not condone the contrived social pardoning of criminal behavior and attribute it to society and to the environment, judge educational performance based on performance, not other factors. These are but a few things I can think of, but it would be a start nonetheless.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:52 am

We as Americans don't wait for the Government to give them opportunities. We as Americans create opportunity for ourselves. As my dad always said, if you want to be a lawyer…be a lawyer… a doctor…be a doctor (you get it right). Whatever you want to be than you have to work for it.' So I did. The questions is, what did the guy do who is on welfare? Granted, we all need help at some point. But to be on welfare 1 year, 2 years, 3 years. At some point, you just have say WTF and question what the hell is going on?


KDNY
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:53 am

True, we need education to compete with the rest of the world. How do we better educate our children and adults? Do we create schools for english speaking children and different schools for non english speaking kids? I mean how do we get back to being Americans if we have no idea what an AMERICAN is supposed to be? If we are a supposed melting pot, why are we not melting together? We need some starting point, ground rules, and we will never establish that as long as we are worried who gets credit for successes and who gets blamed for failure. Fly our flag and only our flag or start erasing borders, John Lennon may have been right ya know, screw the religions and governments, we may be better off. Let's get real though that would take centuries of evolution.


picasso2222
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:54 am

This post got awfully intelligent and civilized all of a sudden…could we have some more name calling and obscenities, please? My TV is broken and this is my entertainment for the evening.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:55 am

The best education I received was from my parents. If parents don't encourage and support their kids to do well, then there is no school, no teacher, no principal good enough. Maybe its not the system, but bad parenting. And yes, we see a lot of bad parenting these days. Don't we folks?


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:57 am

Agreed, fly our flag. You know, the one with stars and stripes. another topic: Go into some California schools and you have to ask..”anyone speak English here. Anyone, anyone?


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:58 am

How about you start?


KDNY
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:58 am

Extremezone is %100. We need to get back to basics on many things but we don't have to step back a century either.


KDNY
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:59 am

Picasso, sorry but you sounsd like a frigging liberal lazy do nothing wanna be artist flunky. Am I right


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:01 am

I see your point i'm not for welfare either, I think it's a great idea to implement the volunteer for college hours mention some time back it does not need to be a 4 year college but just the idea of the opportunity will help.


bocephusjosephus
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:05 am

I've been to one World's fair, a rodeo, and a picnic… and I'm still wondering when the bumpkins of this planet are gonna realize that it's wars that create socialist nations, it's wars that have caused all empires to go socialistic, it is during wars when governments promote everyone to dress in the same uniform, wars are what bring out government taxation, wars are when governments draft people into their jobs, wars are the times when government suspends civil liberties.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:05 am

Thanks.


Cptn_Crunch
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:06 am

I love all the critics of private enterprise. It astounds me that you live in a country founded by individuals who wanted to get away from aristocracy and big govenrment so that they could make their OWN way without being told the didnt have a chance at bettering themselves.
Why is it everyone wants a hand out? Get off your rear ends, educate yourselves and start you own business if you dont like working for the “greedy corporations”. My god, does anyone understand what the constitution stands for? It didnt say all men should stand holding their hands out cause they are to damn lazy to change their own life. By the way, as an example of the BIG BAD Corporations that everyone loves to bag on, have you considered how many dollars the Oil industry pays in taxes? Where do all those dollars go? Where does the 17 cents a gallon that we all willingly pay to have our freedom to drive around go? Oh yah, to the government. Winstin Churchill once said that a free democracy is not a perfect government, but he wouldnt want to live under any other kind of government. If you dont like the USA, the Constitution, or the “greed”, pack your bags, get on a bus, boat or plane and leave? It's a FREE country for now. Oh yah, I forgot, you probably want the tax payers to hand you a ticket first cause you dont have enough backbone to make your own way!


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:07 am

The english speaking I 100% agree with! If you decide to move to this country you need to learn the language, if you don't you get left behind it's that simple! It's good to learn other languages but that should be your choice!


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:14 am

Very well put. Having the right to pursue happiness does not mean that you are always guaranteed to get a free ride on someone else's effort. This country has always been compassionate to those who were down on their luck and needed help, but who nevertheless had the desire and will to work hard. But some (and increasingly) have been exploiting this compassion unscrupulously to the detriment of the nation.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 11:18 am

I was referring to the “neo” part…it can be applied to various nouns to illustrate a modern day variation of an old philosophy or discipline.


Tommy_the_Cat
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:19 am

All take note…this is not liberal behavior…this is HUMAN behavior. Lessee..I wonder who else is a big fan of name calling besides liberals (and there are indeed a monstrously huge number of libs who are, what with them being a bunch of stinking humans an all). Papa Bear O'Reilly? Glenn Beck? Ann Coulter? Joe Scarborough? Rush Limbaugh?

Thus, maybe you should reconsider yer statement. This is not “liberal” behavior. This is Jim's behavior. Just as your partisanship is clearly is evident by your lumping all liberals in with Jim. But, of course, we know there are no conservatives would NEVER use foul name calling, huh…

…you Republican whack job. (Heh heh…couldn't help myself…)


PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:20 am

Yes, you're right, but you're dealing with people in right-wing fantasy-land here. Hitler and Mussolini were not socialists. In fact, Mussolini was a syndicalist (not a socialist) and moved to the Right when he opposed the Italian Left's opposition to World War I. After that, Mussolini (and his imitator, Hitler) were virulent anti-socialists, who killed as many leftists, liberals, and social democrats (moderate socialists) as they could lay their hands on. For DeMint to describe pre-WW2 as social-democratic is absurd. The social democrats took over the political leadership of Germany shortly before its defeat in WW1, squelching the far Left to do so. The Nazis took over (without a popular majority, but close to one) in the wake of the hyper-inflation of their version of the Great Depression. By contrast, the USA experienced hyper-deflation, so our current political-economy is slightly closer to that of the USA of the 30s, not the Germany of the 30s. If anything, Obama is more akin to the moderate social democrats (as was FDR), with the irrational far-Right, including the Christian Right, playing the role (though of course far less extreme or genocidal) of the German far Right, including the Nazis. And the Nazis were no socialists, though they were statists. Nevertheless, they came to power, and exercised power, with the full support and cooperation of the leading industrialists of Germany; in other words, they were very pro-capitalist, said so, and acted accordingly. The extreme Right in this country, like the Nazis, either dishonestly or insanely, accuses the moderate left, the way the Nazis accused the social democrats and the Jews, of having communist designs and being corporate tools at the same time – an obvious impossibility. What this really masks is the corporate agenda of the Right, which they hide behind their fake populism and phony accusations that Obama and the Democrats are crypto-Fascists or Communists – at the same time!


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Cptn_Crunch
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:31 am

While this all has a ring of truth to it, you left out one thing: it is the people who WILLINGLY give up their rights. In WWII, you gave up shoes, sugar, gas, money and a life for the cause, but you got those freedoms back because the poeple used their voices.
During prohibition, “private” enterprise found a way to give the people what they want.
The issue is that we all live in this huge Disneyland called the USA. We are spoon fed the realities of the outside world, we are fed 2 grader news and social stories, and we sacrifice very little for the lives we live.
As long as the majority of the middle class can feed themselves, shelter themselves, drive their cars etc without much sacrifice, the freedoms will continue to be taken away until we wake up from the self indulgent daze we live in and realize that we gave up everything.
Freedoms arent just for the left or right wing extremists, they are here for the rest of us in the middle. We apparently dont value those freedoms very much. Otherwise we would be more involved in government, locally, federally and globally….


KDNY
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:34 am

Awesome Mr. Grfx, I gotta say you did your homework. What do we do to get our people educated, competitvie healthy and wealthy? i still say we gotta get past the BS in our government no matter how much we Americans take things by the balls ourselves in our private lives. We need to better define our nation politically than by bombing people into democracy, and giving our own beliefs up to cater to anyone who does not feel they need to assimilate into American culture to reap it's rewards. sorry too but I am at work and duty calls so I gotta check back in later.


TrOb
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:36 am

To liken Obama to Hitler may be a tough sell but Obama is near the far left (go back to everything he said) and I don't think he's more “akin” to the moderate social democrat. What I do know is that if given the chance and the conditions are ripe Obama will move more toward socialism and in turn control the “re-distribution” of wealth through various tools. Government will start controlling more and more of the daily aspects of our lives and the innovator, the entrepreneur, and the hard worker will not necessarily be rewarded more than the lazy person looking for a handout from the government. More governmental control over daily citizen's lives, social engineering, government knows best attitude, and inevitably the elite of the government that control government itself. These have all the makings of something as bad as Hitler's Germany, Mussolini's Italy, or more likely Communist Soviet Union. They have all the necessary ingredients of a dictatorship by the elites or by the state itself.


whitetiger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:46 am

Label, mumble a false generic, run for cover. Does that mean a liberal just crawled out from under his rock, stumbled blindly about, used his government grocery stamps to buy a fatburger, a beer and a little grass? To keep up his strength so he can continue to sodomize little boys, kill babies and plot means to destroy US sovereignty? A liberal is a person who endorses every sin condemned by God in His bible.The monster such elected to the white house is a communist also.

Maximoron, to what have you been educated and by whom? Prove, if you can, that my contentions are false. And please don't hit me with your purse; I bruise easily.


thimk
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:48 am

You need to read your own history. This country was “founded” by the oppressed religious sects of Europe who were tired of getting their asses kicked by their mainstream neighbors. They didn't come here to escape the man, they came here to be the man. They were more rigid and intolerant than those whom they were fleeing. The capitalists were the ones who stayed behind and allowed them to exploit the land, the resources, and the natives for profit.

Capitalism is not mentioned in the Constitution.

Perhaps, just perhaps, some people who complain about this country do so out of love for this country. Because they see its promise still unrealized, and believe that it can do better.


Cptn_Crunch
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:50 am

Its so amazing to me that our greatest period of growth was based on the hard work of high school graduates. The 30's-60's had a work force of high school students that got down to work and built this country.
Want to fix education, then get rid of teacher unions and pensions, and lets go back to the curriculum of the 30's and 40's. Most college students today wouldnt pass the high school tests of the time. (and the math back then was done with slide rules…..)
We need to stop teaching to the lowest common denominator in this country. We All have the right to try and make ourselves better as provided by the constitution, we are NOT all provided with the gifts to be leaders and innovators. But at least this country gives your the OPPORTUNITY to take the risks and TRY to make something more of yourself.


whitetiger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:00 am

GRFX: You have the facts all wrong. For openers, NAZI means “National Socia;ist Party”
Perhaps you learned your history out of a comic book?

DeMint is ignoring the American Revolution, the French Revolution, the myriad central and southamerican revolutions which eventually culminated in relatively stable governments.

There is zero constitutional authority for the federal government to own all or part of GM and AIG.
When government owns the means of production, communism is in effect. Obama is a communist .
Check Dr. Alan Keyes on that. Communism has never worked and never can, It is inherently self-destructive. The Rothschild variety won't last, either. But billions will suffer terribly under it before it implodes.


Cptn_Crunch
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:00 am

Dont get me wrong, I will complain all day long about the lack of controls on our Government. How we are punished if we can manage our personal finances, but Govenrnment can just spend and spend.
The Constitution does not mention capitalism by name, but it implies it by the provisions which allow an individual to step out of their place on the social ladder and change it through their own blood, sweat and tears.
That fact that 233 years latter this document is still relevant speaks volumes about the men who wrote it. What's even more astounding is that these men did not make their LIVING as a representative of the people, but they gathered on their own time to make decisions to guide the country. Has the world changed since then, of course. But the principles and guidelines they so carefully laid down on paper are based on history and personal experience. Read history and while the backgrounds change, the story is essentially the same. Power, Greed, War, Change. Rich vs Poor. etc etc.
Maybe I would have a little more compassion for the complainers, if they actually got off the couch and went to a few 3rd world countries to see what life for much of the planet is really like. When you have done that, then you can complain.


RonfromMD
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:07 am

How is this supposed to happen? Obama couold have been defeated this past election if the Republicans had put up a better candidate. John McCain? Give me a break. It's almost like that the Repubs wanted to lose. The Dems now have control of the Senate and will soon have complete control of the House. How will we ever kick them out? I'm afraid that they will be around for a long, long time because the GOP doesn't have any viable people to offer to oppose the Democrats who are buying off the new immigrants' votes by giving them total welfare. They have almost complete control of the media and use this power to demonize any opponents whom they consider dangerous–and it's working!


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Jeebus
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:16 am

lol. So this is where the dwindling Republican party hangs out these days! I think I'm going to come here more often for some cheap laughs since the zoo is closed at the moment.

But honestly, without you bible-thumpers, doomsday sayers and 'reds under the bed' 50s throwbacks, there wouldn't be too much to laugh at these days.

Thank you for the chuckles, Grand Old Party.


Eric Woodruff
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:17 am

So it's tyranical for me to get healthcare? I don't think so. Having 2 – 5 million people in prison is tyranical. The Patriot act was Tyranical. Finally, and most importantly, having your entire government run by an aristocracy is tyranical.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

I don’t disagree.

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Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

I also believe the ole “filthy lucre” has contaminated the process as well.  It is virtually impossible to have a true citizen representative any more.  One must prostitute themself to one party or the other, special interests or be born with a silver spoon in your mouth to serve today.  Though I consider myself conservative on most issues, I’m an advocate of federal funding for elections.  Give each viable candidate a set amount of money and see who wins.  I also advocate term limits.  None of these positions was intended to be a professional career. . .

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bob
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:27 am

we need an all out civeil war and to take some respect back from the goverment,there bullshit is enough and out of controll,its time to rally behind the flag of freedom and spill the blood of the tyrents,they know that there all the ones in this wicked goverment.oh yea they say will hes crazy for talking such hate but the truth is ladies and gents its getting time to ralley like iran,china,and every other country and show the world the usa is being the ussr and take back its freedom all are forfathers built that flag and died for,its not modernation its obamanation and its coming,its time to play cowboy and goverment and ralley with the indian brothers and say we were wrong, for what we done to you, and where we put you ,but lets take our country back and start over amen


ego1st
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:29 am

Do you americans really want to reduce government in a productive way(as the republicans want)? Do you really want that the government have money to do what the taxpayers need(as the democrats want)?

So, stop believing in that Star Wars bullshit about ''leading the free world'' and cut support for unwise foreign interferences that only serve to care about corporocratic objectives. And obviously, this includes the stupid wars to give ''freedom'' to countries that have no chance to become real democracies. There's no free lunch and, surely, there's no free war. Some dork will always pay the bills. And this dork is the taxpayer, while the oil and arms industries will take all the benefit. Ask the magnats of oil and arms if there's a crisis for them……

Corporocracy is so bad as communism. And it sells the fantasies to americans that they have the mission of keeping the world ''free''. If the rest of the world must be free, it's a matter for the rest of the world to care about, it should not be discussed in the american congress. The american congress should care about american issues. Take that burden out of your lives and say to the corporocrats that if they want to defend their interests, they should find a way of doing it for themselves instead of asking the government to expend billions of the taxpayers doing it. No welfare for corporations.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

Wow. I don’t even know where to begin.

First of all, do some research on mitochondrial dna. Obama is actually white.

Second, he doesn’t have religion behind him, and if you belive in god you shouldn’t believe in Obama–that is unless you condone murder, which is what abortion is (and Obama thinks abortion is great, just look at his comment about if his daughters became pregnant someday).

The slaves in America were purchased from AFRICAN KINGS who enslaved their neighboring tribes before SELLING them to the English (who created the slavery systems used in the American Colonies).

I am NOT ASHAMED comparing Obama to Hitler–Hitler was a Liberal in Germany, who sought to control the media (look at Obama’s canned answers to questions from plants in the audience at his phony Town Hall meetings, just for one instance), was a moving speaker who used his audatory skills to sway people onto a ruinous path, organized the “Youth” of Germany to do his bidding just as Obama wants to organize Youth Groups to do Mandatory Public Service—-I could go on and on.

I am a patriot, a member of the Tea Party, and I didn’t use the RACE CARD—YOU DID!!!!!!!

I also have the wonderful people of the US on my side–they are known as Conservatives and do the lion’s share of the important work in this country without continually asking for handouts because they are “victims” of one thing or another.

I pity you–you are mired in the ignorance of the blind.


petemcgee
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:55 am

Dude,why don't you take your excess energies and teach yourself how to spell correctly….

I guarantee,you will feel much better about who you are and be less vulnerable to cheap-ass

republican scare tactics………………………..


Hugh
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:09 am

Pleeeeeeease. After 8 years of rabid, unaccountable militaristic governement, obsessed with trashing the Bill of Rights and starting two wars, all of a sudden DeMint is worried about Obama's democratic credentials and see him as a stalking horse for 'tyranny'. Where do you find people like this and. more to the point, where was he when Bush was working his magic?


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

China does not make more money that we do. Our GDP far exceeds theirs and we have one fourth the population. We purchase their goods because their poverty is so extream that they will work for alomost nothing to avoid starvation. China does not loan us money. They freely choose to purchase our treasuries on the open market because the US is a good investment. What socialist re-education camp did you attend?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

We have term limits! The people just don’t exercise them as they should. I would ban political parties altogether, except that would leave us with Swift Boat Politics!

I would grudgingly allow parties, but no advertising. I realize that this gets at First Amendment issues, but my feeling is, you may say it, just not pay to play.

Regards,


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

No. He is correct. You are a nut case.


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

An MRI costs the same no matter where on earth it is performed. Wether the government taxes the hell out of you to subsidize it, or you pay out of pocket, it costs the same.

The private sector (liberty) is based upon competition and rational self interest. It always produces results far superior to government.

The WHO is run by a bunch of US hating, socialists. Their rankings mean nothing.


maima youlo
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:35 am

so what are they trying to say? are they going to remove obama and but mccian or bush?


Mason Shepherd
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:39 am

First off those of you who said I was a racist, or claim I said “racist” things you need to check yourselves. I happen to to be a White (and I mean PALE) Christian, American born, Gulf War Veteran, college educated, sport lovin', TEXAN who can throw-down with the biggest bullies out there. I'm not intimidated by the brainwashed throngs, or the vacuous masses on either end of the political spectrum. When it comes to the responses of either side, projection is rampant. Projecting one's own thoughts onto others.

Btw you project your own racism by assuming I ain't Caucasian. Quit stereotyping, you idiots. This is America where a White man can be a member of the Universal Zulu Nation! You are so embarrassing to the White folk who are not prejudiced against any person as long as they are good people. Get some real culture, PLEASE!

You few on here who believe that we are heading towards Nazi germany are projecting. The entire world was in a Great Depression. Germany was in very dire straits, because of losing WWI and having to pay England and her allies for war costs/war reparations. Hitler used that fact and the vitriol of scapegoating, and physicality to intimidate the average German into becoming Ultra-Nationalistic. It was all about Germany and how, even though they were trying to bully the world in WWI and lost their arses, they were the victims! “Those damn conniving Jews; those gays and social miscreants; those poor and downtrodden! The rest of the World! It's all their fault!”

The smarter ones of us, those who could go to Med School, Dental School or Law School AND be well-rounded and informed adults too, we actually marvel at the depth of brainwashing in America. This NATIONALISM with the waving of flags, scapegoating immigrants from day one, “Them Veetnameesers, them Cambodiyuns! Those Messicans! Them Irish! Them Jews! Them Japs! Them Germans! Them Underdogs! They take our jobs, our neighborhoods…” It's really ridiculous and hilarious all at the same time.

You Einsteins are getting the term “National Socialism” all twisted. The “Socialism” part is referring to Aryan Germans taking care of Aryan Germans, and no one else. Hitler and Stalin were bitter enemies, something which worked to our advantage as we tenuously allied ourselves with the USSR. Remember? Hitler HATED Marxism. He adored Capitalism.

Obama is not a Socialist. He is a Moderate. Bush is not an avowed Nazi. He is an American and a Left of Center Conservative. Like Lincoln was. George and his people BELIEVED that what they were doing was best for the USA. When, in actuality it helped, maybe even facilitated on a big scale, a meltdown of the WORLDWIDE economy! They helped this fiurther by spending far more than the Carter or Clinton administration who spent the HECK out of some money.

Who doesn't want Big Government? The Neocons? Oh yeah that's evident by passing of the Patriot Act resulting in unwarranted phone tapping, a suspension of our Constitutional Bill of Rights, added to the most Government spending EVER? The classic social definition of the parties is Democrat=Order vs. Freedom, and Republican=Freedom vs. Order. Bush was considered CONSERVATIVE?! You guys don't know what is up or down anymore. These Jedi Midtricksters done turned your brains to mush!

Again time to school ya', since some of you believe that a HS diploma or GED is enough. The definition of a Conservative, is a politician who has a conservative INTERPRETATION of the Constitution. IOW the Constitution is subject to a narrow interpretation with little allowance for change to it. Any freshman level political scientists knows this. So the reverse would be true for the Liberals, right? Yet G.W. Bush in effect suspended the Constitution by signing the Patriot Act int law. Better yet BOTH PARTIES helped to make it a law. So who is what and what do you BELIEVE?!

You guys got duped by a bunch of pseudo-Dixiecrats. They crossed the line in the early 1960's because Nixon understood what the mood of the voting populace was at the time. Even Clinton was cut from the same cloth. His above average intelligence and shiftiness allowed for more short-term success economically.

I would like to reiterate, I am neither a Repugnacant or Democrap. I am one of the more than 300 million Americans who thinks far beyond the mere moron. Two parties can't feel, see, hear or feel me. I've been too may places, know too many people, and have done too many things.

This DeMint cat is much smarter than any of his fans. I'll give him that. That's why our taxes go to pay for that venomous fluff he spouts. Bush and Reagan were smarter than most of their constituents too. At least they were much more savvy. Ya' got took. Turned out like whores. They made you believe that they believed like you. Hahahaha! I really do pity those of you with such limited life experience; with such a narrow field of vision.

What we have here people is the mud trying to rise to the top. It can't. It'll sink right back to the bottom of the bog. They will use lies, scare tactics, skuttle butt, ignorance and even force to keep the real Americans in check. Defeat is not a dish easily digested.

I grew up here. I fact I was born in the Deep South! In the good ole' U-S-of-A. I mean if the rest of the world is this obsessively competitive and unfair about everything too, there needs to be a revolution of worldwide change. I remember the countless bullies and cowards who used name calling, fear and force to get their points across. Don't repeat the transgressions of those who sinned against you, harassed you, demeaned you and manipulated you. They grew up and took th power! Be a seeker of truth; a purveyor of REALITY. Fight the soul parasites!

I do not fault an individual's ignorance. After all ignorance denotes being oblivious of the FACTS, not BELIEFS which are uninformed want or opinion, but the FACTS. There will be NO LITERAL Civil War, yet the Revolution has already begun. It WAS televised and will continue to be. Your grandkids will wonder why you were on the side that was against them and their fellow citizens. How do you want be remembered? Why fight the winds of change? There is no proof that the old way, LIB or CON, is the answer. We only had two real choices. So you Rob Peter to pay Paul, so to speak, hoping the potential becomes the kinetic.

Give Obama four years, let the race be run then you can evaluate. All we have right now, geniuses, is a very smart Constitutional Lawyer who understands the intricacies of our country's “BODY” (that's what constitution means), regardless of any thing else about the huMAN. The Constitution has been neglected and stomped on for decades now. It was fate that we finally got someone in office who doesn't sound like he's selling used cars somewhere in rural Alabama, and who understood the most salient political and social document ever advised.

If Obama fails he get voted out. There is no reason to use the Science of Assumption to trump up some worse case scenario just to help validate unfairness. DeMint and his ilk are dangerous folks. They understand how to argue, but possess neither ethics nor logic. His assertions sound very National Socialistic. He is a breeder of pernicious hatred.

Those of you out there still searching for a conscience get one now. Then do good works. Understand where you are in the grand scheme. Look up at the stars tonight and realize Humanity is all we have. Each other. This is the only planet of humans we know of. What kind of Human Family and Earth do you want your kids to adopt? Selfishness is not an option…


ed777
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

If you only have the skills to make hammers, government should not retrain you. You are an idiot and deserve to starve for lack of common sense.


fredericstarchenkovenner
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:57 am

Demint's demonization of government programs to assist the people is a demented twist of corrupted corporate spin.

Government for the people and by the people has to have social programs that protect the population against corporate scams and ideological fanatics of the likes of religion.l

Demint wants to demonize democracy and freedom of government in assisting ordinary people.


PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

Doesn’t freedom include the freedom of ethnicities to “mix” – whether by living next to each other as neighbors or intermarrying? Or do you suggest reviving the sorry history of state-mandated segregation and anti-”miscegenation” laws? Is that your idea of “freedom”?

To you, apparently, “freedom” is just a word you attach to whatever prejudice you adhere to and want to impose on others – in other words, just the opposite of any real, meaningful freedom.


PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

The reason they can’t “decide,” is not because of any intellectual inquiry on their part as to what those terms mean, but because they are engaged in classical mudslinging – throwing anything against the wall to see what sticks. It’s all about marketing, finding the negative term(s) that sell.


PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Exactly which “freedom” will this “collective action through government … take away”?


dser
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 11:15 am

Word.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:24 pm

Yes, that was the original design of our country. The states are to put up barriers to federal intrusion so that federal powers were always in check. Find out more by reading anything by James Madison. Also check out Sheriff Mack at http://www.sheriffmack.com/index.php/books-by-richard-mack


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

So….you’re saying that you are intelligent because you had a girlfriend
who was smart? Nice reasoning there, chief, and rather pathetic. I feel
sorry for you. The funny thing about the wingnut is their loathing of
intellectuals while attempting, with little success, to appear intellectual
themselves by merely stating that they are intellectual.

Research the period between the wars and the specifics of what I say then
challenge my facts. Otherwise, you are just another hand-waving,
hyperventilating, hate-fomenting wingnut with an axe to grind.

While it is fun to read the English as a second language level of diction
that one inevitably finds on reich-wing websites, the racist, sexist,
fascist, bottom-feeding level of ideas makes one cry for the Constitution,
the Bill of Rights, and the idea of Democracy.

Millions of people died in order to kill off the fascists during WWII. Let’s
only hope that when you fascists finally take over and start setting up the
camps that there is enough of a free world to form a group commensurate with
the Allies that defeated the Axis and that that group comes to America and
kills off you fascists and conducts a Nuremberg style trial to convict you
all of war crimes. Then we true Americans who believe in the Constitution
will be able to watch your hangings broadcast on every channel.

It will be fun to watch the fascists’ little legs kicking as the life is
choked out of them.


ego1st
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:15 pm

The problem here is the double standard. Everybody who says ''no'' to welfare to the poor should say ''no'' to welfare to corporations. But that's not what happens.


wayouthere
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:20 pm

You mean before WW2 Germany had a political system that operated on the basis of institutionalized bribery? Was the German government overrun with special interests that subgagated the rule of law to gift-giving?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

Respectfully, from a practical perspective we do not have term limits (i.e. R. Byrd or Strom Thurmand).  There is simply not a healthy exchange of talent there and it won’t happen without forced constraints.  What we have is essentially an ingrained aristocracy, mostly from the wealthy class that votes first and formost for their own self interest.

I don’t necessarily see a ban on parties as bad or good.  Shaking them up, and getting more fringe input would be likely be healthy. . .

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wayouthere
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:06 pm

WW2 Germany must had a political system that operated on the basis of institutionalized bribery too.


Maquis1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

Rubbish! We are nothing like Weimar Germany was prior to WWII (except for running the musical “Cabaret”). We are way more like the U.S.A. was before WWII with a Depression caused by Republican Avarice. Like most Republicans DeMint has an incomplete and inaccurate view of our history (which I teach BTW!). The Republicans called F.D.R. a socialist too, and he's been bruted for a 5th place on Mt. Rushmore! Mor poppycock from the folks who brought you Sarah “Quitter” Palin and Tricky Dick “Abortion should be allowed in the case of a Black and White” Nixon.


PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

humiliation is also expressly forbidden by the Geneva Convention Against Torture. And for those who believe the convention only applies to uniformed soldiers of a nation-state, I refer you to its last sentence, one of the most eloquent ever written into law: “There are no exceptions.”


Name
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 1:34 pm

here is a republican after 8 years of Gestapo constitution changing dictatorship of Bush, the grandson of a financier who helped Hitler get goiong and was convicted of trading with the enemy, telling us that the dems are ruining the country


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

You have made my point very eloquently. The torturer is not the one to define what constitutes torture.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

@johnbirm03-good article, still the average american doesn’t understand multi-layered decision making!! Our leaders know that, so instead of justifying war with 1 lame battlecry, gives us the facts so some of us can make our own decisions. Im not left or right wing, so the truth still means something!!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

We will be rightfully judged by the way we conduct ourselves in our dealings with others. The notion that how and where people are incarcerated or detained has any bearing on the rights and standards which they are subject to is morally bankrupt and ethnically repugnant. You do not win the “war on terror” by stooping to the level of your enemies. The intolerant theocracy I fear is the domestic one!


PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

I couldn’t agree more. Amen.


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PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

It’s not a “tough sell”, it’s patently absurd! Do you even know what a moderate social democrat is? It was the Social Democrats who brought public health care systems, public housing as part of a public-private housing mix, economic regulation and the welfare state to the democracies of western Europe and Scandinavia – all the while keeping those countries’ democratic and free. Sweden, for one, was the only country throughout its social democratic era with a capital city, Stockholm, without any slums.

So how is Obama “far left”? Name one far-left proposal. His health care proposal is far more solicitous of private health insurance companies than it should be; does not propose a unified public health system (single-payer Medicare for all), which I wish he would; and would not even cover all the uninsured (though he would reduce their number considerably). That is practically the definition of a moderate proposal, and far too moderate in my view.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Excuse me? We were more than a trillion dollars in debt BEFORE Bush! We have never been debt free since before 1913. & we never WILL be out of debt or even pay down the debt as long as we use Fed.Reserve notes as money. Unless you understand that the”Fed.” is a privately held bank(not a Gov’t entity), with secret controlling interest holders,you will never understand the nature of our debt,nor how to get out from under Fed control.” Give me control over a nations money,& I care not,who rules it.”—Baron von Rothchild! Beware any politician that promotes a tax increase to”pay down the debt” Due to the crazy nature of the Fed.Reserve Act,the debt cannot be paid down or off,w/o borrowing the same instrument of debt to do so. Thats WORSE than Catch 22. The simplest way I can explain it is this–The U.S.Treasury prints up & sells the notes to a privately owned Corp.named “Federal Reserve at cost( about 3 cents each bill,REGARDLESS of denomination.The Fed,then turns around & circulates those notes as money with the promise of our Gov’t. to pay the Fed.face value of the note,PLUS interest,payable only IN said note.—-The debt can’t possibly be paid off or even down,under existing contract with the Fed. That debt is in the form of an interest-bearing bond,in the face value of each & every note that has ever benn in circulation.The example I gave is in simplistic terms,but that is how it affects us,& that is why,unless we buy back our money rights from the Fed, we can never pay our debt down or off. This contract was made by stay behind Congressmen during Christmas season in 1913,while a great many Congressmen were vacationing. As an incentive to vote for that crazy sceme,it is surprising to note,that,the contract had a clause that if Congress could buy the contract back for 50 billion dollars! Go Figure. Rep.Ron Paul,during the Reagan Admin.,suggested a return to hard money. I will vote for almost anyone who buys out the Fed & reInstitutes our own U.S. bank(NOT the current private bank that calls itself that} and/or puts us back on the gold & silver standard.Gold & silver puts the economic power in the hands of the citizenry.Paper(fiat)money puts the economic power in the hands of the Government(or Fed,in our current economy). Government is the CAUSE of economic woes,certainly not the CURE. If govt.causes woe,do you really think gov’t will cure it? Gov’ts that want to seize unlawful/unconstitutional power will create financial ruin in a country,CLAIM the existing system isn’t working,never did,etc.,& THEN claim to hold the answer to our problems if we only surrender a few liberties or rights to make it possible,When in REALITY those very same rights SECURE our liberty! If one sells or gives his rights to another,then one has no right to keep that which he traded for it,because now,it can be taken away at will! Therefor,liberty is the most valuable asset you can hold.Protect it—-with your life,if need be! W/o liberty,you cannot secure ANYTHING.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

I might actually some of your diatribe later this weekend, but for now, let me assure you that I did not assume anything. CAUCASIANS CAN BE RACIST AGAINST CAUCASIANS! As racism is about ones actions and feelings towards another. Just because you are white, does not mean you cannot discriminate against whites.

Next, I am a Republican who voted for Obama, and at this point I continue to support Obama. He has done stuff to raise an eye brow, so to speak, but at this point he is doing Okay. Other then the fact, he was found to be born outside of this country and is not a naturalized citizen. For me, its close enough. His mom was a citizen and it was only because she remarried another foreigner that it happened to be that his mom gave birth to Barrack when she was residing outside of this country. Its just a technicality. Who cares!

Lastly, for the moment, I agree with you regarding Bush and Obama as neither one are what people on this blog are saying: Bush is not a Nazi (in fact quite opposite), and Obama is not a socialist. As a republican I support nationalized healthcare.


extremezone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

typo: I might actually “read…”


PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

Hitler used the word “socialist” as part of the name of his party's NAZI acronym, but it was only a word, not a reality, a word he used because the term socialist was so popular in Europe at the time, but had no more substance than the term “people's democracy” or “people's republic” that Communist states used later. And your citation of the kooky “Dr.” Keyes hardly lends credibility to your argumment.

By the way, if nationalizing AIG or GM makes Obama a Communist, what does that make George W. Bush and the Republicans who voted for his bank bailout to fund the nationalization of AIG, which actually took place under the Bush regime?


hz7809
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

DeMint's statement is garbage. The economic policy from 1929 to 1933 was reducing social securityand reducing state spending. It was a deflationary policy meaning, that it was completely contrary to the measures currently taken in the US.
From 1933 to WW II the Third Reich increased military spending (reminds me of a former president ;-) and cut worker's rights (the right to strike). Wages went down. Profits went up.
Mr. Demint should attend a history class.


James
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

The United States of Amnesia. Amazing how they can always work in Democrats = Nazis no matter what the occasion. The biggest misconception about Hitler's rise to power is that he somehow had a huge popular following, never did they command even a 50%+1 vote. Hitler got over the top due to the oldline conservatives trying to coopt him by making him chancellor because, like these wingnuts, they were so utterly frightened of communists and socialists.


zombie377
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

The United States of Amnesia. Amazing how they can always work in Democrats = Nazis no matter what the occasion. The biggest misconception about Hitler's rise to power is that he somehow had a huge popular following, never did they command even a 50%+1 vote. Hitler got over the top due to the oldline conservatives trying to coopt him by making him chancellor because, like these wingnuts, they were so utterly frightened of communists and socialists.


zombie377
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

The United States of Amnesia. Amazing how they can always work in Democrats = Nazis no matter what the occasion. The biggest misconception about Hitler's rise to power is that he somehow had a huge popular following, never did they command even a 50%+1 vote. Hitler got over the top due to the oldline conservatives trying to coopt him by making him chancellor because, like these wingnuts, they were so utterly frightened of communists and socialists.


whitetiger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

to grfx:
Yes, the Bushies are a bunch of commies, lackeys to the Rothschilds and their One World Government; run by them, of course.They own the Bank of England, hold 57% of the stock in the so-called federal Reserve, and, in effect control the global economy as well as almost all the mass communications media. And Bushites are just as evil as Obamaites; only in different manners.
You called Dr. Keyes “kooky” because? Because he is a devout christian and
a strict constructionist?

Let me ask, what is your standard for determining right and wrong? How can you validate its authority?


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

Nicely put! I feel and welcome the change. If we don't we will go the way of the Romans.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

I guess you been watching the zeitgeist! Learn to think for yourself. Travel and get some world experience….


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

aynsof wrote me a simple reply where he/she said our elected officials lack common sense. ha ha really. they have more sense than you if you think they don't know exactly what they're doing. they are greedy and do not care what happens to any american outside their circles. they know exactly what they are doing as evidence by sheeple who are conned into thinking they are honestly stupid (lack of common sense). THEY ARE MOSTLY LAWYERS AND COLLEGE GRADS FROM ELITE IVY LEAGUE BACKGROUNDS (they sound really moronic don't they?). WHO LACKS COMMON SENSE AYNSOF? duh??your simple minded view of american politics falls on deaf ears here. my Father was detroit FBI during the iran contra scandal in which he participated in taking ollie north (airforce colonel) down for dealing drugs. did you understand what i just said? your own gov't deals drugs. who lacks common sense now?


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

hey max. my father was detroit FBI and participated in the arrest of ollie north – do you know who he is and what he did? drug sales. any thoughts on my 1st person real experience with a federal drug dealers working for your beloved america? can't be ignorant for ever. question everything and arrive at your own answers. hear your own words and think for yourself – don't just blindly accept the bs you are spoon fed by the boob tube. i know of more crimes our gov't committed and continues because sheeple give them a free pass (ollie didn't even get probation nor receive any penalty for 2000 kilos 4400lbs of cocaine) – what would happen to you if you got caught with thyat much? my father ended his career as director of the 7 midwestern states so don't reply with any emotional bs as it will not suade my knowledge of the underhanded dirty drug dealing and crimanl acts i witnessed – just the facts please.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

When you vote and pay taxes, then his/her/your opinion regarding the current state of the United States will have merit. Until then it’s just a diatribe from the peanut gallery.

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maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Hello Lucid1, my comments was to whitetiger! I see had first hand experience. I recommend more people to travel and experience the world before they make stupid comments.


whitetiger
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

to maxamil:Thank you for your gratuitous advice, which I began to heed about sixty years ago.Your ability to leap from unwarranted assumptions to false conclusions is truly amazing; as is the almost unparalleled level of your ignorance of history. May I suggest for your consideration that Captain Marvel is not an adequate substitute for, say, Eusebius?
There are two kinds of people on the political left. Hypocrites,(Pelosi, Biden, Bush, Obama,eg), who pretend to be Christians and then endorse every sin condemned in the Bible, and those who are admittedly practicing atheists. Neither of those positions is defensible. All of those people are evil, and on their way to eternal punishment in Hell.But they are so in love with their sins that they are blinded to their predicament. Don't ley it happen to you.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

I guess it's your job to judge who is going to hell and who will be saved. People stop reading the bible literally, in those days words were writing in parables. After the the Lord appoint you judge then come talk to us about who has sin and who is a saint. What is a christian today anyway? I know I try my best to be good to my fellow inhabitant on this planet if I don't make to heaven well that's the lords choice.


Paulie Carbone
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

You can tell from Sonia Sotomayor's face that she's a long-term, heavy drinker.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

Sorry! The revolution will not be televised…


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Carbone: she is a diabetic. While both can lead to comas, they are very different maladies.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 11:41 pm

The ONLY valid purpose of Gov’t is to protect life,liberty & property of the governed.NOT to enrich one part of the population at the expense of another.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

At least we can say definitively that religion hasn't caused any conflict in the last 35,000 years!


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Baaaaa baaaaa baaaaa


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

It is only treason if you aren't in uniform or an undisclosed location…


too_many_whiners
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

It's not tyranical. The problem is that it's your RIGHT to go find a job that has the benfits you need. You have a job because of your employer who took initiative and built a business. “RISK=REWARD” – ever heard that statement? If there are no jobs in your area that offer health care, then use your rights as a free citizen to MOVE to an area that has jobs with healthcare.
If you have a business, then build it to the point you are making enough money to afford healthcare.
It is not your right to stand with your hand out expecting everyone else who takes the time to better themself, take care of their own families, pays their taxes (which currently support many “social programs including healthcare) and then has to shoulder your wants.
You see the issue here is that its easier to stand with your hand out and whine versus actually taking a chance and trying to better your life. The pilgrims took the risk and left England, Immigrants come here in droves – many without money. They take the risk to better their lives. Why is it as American's there is this sense of entitlement? You all sit and whine about decisions made to protect America when you and I do not have any of the real facts because we are sheltered from them. We live in a happy little bubble and want more – just like a spoiled child. You talk about Gitmo – what about all of those people beheaded on the internet? Did that follow the geneva convention? Grow up people, the world isnt a nice place and it never will be. If you think you can make it change, join GreenPeace, the PeaceCorp, The UN (there is a fiscal bottomless pit and useless), become a Missionary but dont sit here and whine about what you deserve.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Yes, but most Americans never leave the resort compound when they travel!


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

But how could the good people of South Carolina elect him if he was not a brilliant truth telling individual?


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

Weimar Republic had much better art scene!


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

Many parts of the country… poor rural areas and inner cities… have economies that run on government spending in all its forms. It is a recession proof economy, and none of the business people I know have ever opted out of receiving this money. Our economy, as perverse and dysfunctional as it is, runs on this spending. Yet no one is willing to say no to those dollars.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:00 pm

Yes! Brother Phil Gramm said it best, we are a nation of whiners! Many people are locked into jobs that they hate because of health benefits, which are an historical anomoly from WW2 when there was a worker shortage and a wage freeze on. “Well, let's give them a $5 a week raise in the form of health insurance!” It seemed like a good idea at the time! Unfortunately, no one has the courage to put that dog to sleep, because so many have so much invested in it, despite the fact that 99% of us are privately willing to admit that it is one freakishly screwed up system which allows (a) hardworking folks to burn through their nest egg in a week and go on welfare to get care (b) cash paying and insurance carrying citizens to subsidize everyone else (c) hardworking professsionals to collect 40 cents on the dollar for saving your life in the middle of the night…

Oh! sorry! There I am whining like the rest of you!

Yes, let's have 40 million uninsured Americans all show up at Starbucks tomorrow to fill out an application!


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Yes! Let's hope that they all get raptured soon, so the rest of us can enjoy a compassionate egalitarian utopia!


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

New immigrants do not get to vote!


Billy Wharton
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Jim DeMint is making a good living by hawking nonsense to people. The problem is not that Obama is spending tax-payer money, it is how that money is being spent. It could be going to provide health care for every person in this country – through a single-payer system. Instead he is going to flush millions more down the drain while filling the coffers of private health insurance companies. What Mr. DeMint fails to understand is that you cannot be free if you are sick and strapped with health care debts. Using tax money wisely to create social guarantees will create a new basis for freedom.


PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

You can't be a communist and a banker's lackey at the same time, and your fixation on the Rothschilds smacks of anti-semitism.

I called Keyes and anyone else who claims Obama is not a citizen a kook because they insist on purveying a false claim that has been contradicted by the open publication of Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate – not because of his Christianity or views of the Constitution.

And, by the way, anyone who claims the USA is a Christian nation by virtue of its Constitution knows nothing about the Constitution and, therefore, cannot be accurately called a strict constructionist.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Again, as Abraham Lincoln said, calling an ass a horse doesn't make it so! The Nazi party of Hitler was far from socialist… oh! Unless you were part of the party… hmmm, sound familiar?


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

LOL


PeterGrfx
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:11 pm

To paraphrase arch-conservative William Buckley, we must get over the superstition that refusing to outlaw something is the same thing as endorsing it. The fact that alcohol is legal, for example, is neither a societal nor a government endorsement of alcohol, much less alcoholism, just the historical and factual recognition that the Prohibition cure was worse than the disease.

The left “hypocrites” you decry do not endorse whatever “sins” you are talking about, the just recognize that you can outlaw every sin, especially if you don't want to turn the USA into a theocratic dictatorship.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:12 pm

true!


too_many_whiners
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

Your final comment again substantiates my point. “..let's have 40 million uninsured Americans all show up at Starbucks tomorrow to fill out an application!”

How about, lets have 40 million people get busy on making their lives better through learning, hard work, creativity and economic independence.

You have the right to make your own way or live at the whims of your employer. It is your right to leave this country for another that you find more appealing. It is your RIGHT to make that choice. Not your right to want everyone to spoon feed you.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:14 pm

Insurance companies spend 4 to 5 times the overhead in administering their health care plans that the government does. Quick! Name another industry where the government is 5 times more efficient than the private sector! OK, you can get back to me on that…

The efficiencies of a single payor system would represent tremendous savings which could be spent on, I don't know, another useless illegal war or something.

Of course, physician offices might have to let some of the insurance claim processors go…


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

We act as if the rest of the world does not exist and does not matter. Most people on theis planet are not Americans, not Christians, and not fond of democracy. We would do well in politics, as we have learned lately in business, to study the rest of the world and how they do things. It is only being smart and proactive to take into consideration the history, culture, and esxperience of other nations and societies. Many countries have faced problems similar to ours today, and if we study that, we get the benefit (for better or worse) of their experience.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Wait! We Americans can't be bothered with all this! We have American Idol and Playstation to watch!


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

BS. if you are an American it's treason period. You do not get a free pass to sell drugs if you work for uncle sam – in fact you should be punished more severely for abusing your office and endangering the American people.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

I work for a living. And in the richest nation on earth, I believe that it is a sin for anyone to lack the essentials of life… food, clothing, shelter, medical care. My point is, I am thankful to live in this great nation. Nobody spoon feeds me. But if you believe that there are 40 million jobs with health care benefits going unfilled, I have news for you. You are also free to leave this country. But I have some unfinished business here, to try to bring about a society where everyone can reach their full potential. And, as a Christian, let me tell you the Cliff Notes version of the New Testament so that you can pass the final exam, if that is your goal. Jesus says “feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit those in prison.” When you have accomplished that, get back to me.


pappaw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

From where do you get your statistics?


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Max and aynsof. i am not disrepecting neither of you nor your opinions – i believe in freedom of democracy and everybody's right to their opinions especially if they're different from mine. i do not profess to know it all and still learn every day from other folks. i strongly beleive in our country and it's republic democracy. it bothers me to see the bankers purposely loot our treasury with excuses of failure – they should be treated like you and me and forced to fail or succeeed – no hand outs period PEACE.


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

you are very well trained. very good. you are free….to do what you are told. i for 1 will go down swinging and never baaaa baaaa bow down to anyone. thanks for the expected emotional groundless non substance reply….it doesn't bother me at all. my family came here in the 1600's and help found this country. we set it up so sheeple can be free to do what they want….even if it's giving up their freedoms and hard earned tax dollars for fear and security….if thats what you want go ahead. not me. i'll fight to the last drop of my blood not yours. PEACE


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

hello Max. it's an honor to meet another American who takes concern for their country without blindly following and doing what their told. PEACE!


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 7:58 pm

It would be nice if the rest of the world played by our rules. I have not heard anyone here suggest that they do… or will anytime soon. But that doesn't mean that we should abandon our rules and traditions. Yes, the world is a frightening and indifferent place, where bad people and governments will do their worst. But you do not defeat your enemies by sinking to their level. If that is the case, they have already won. You do not show the world that you are not an evil empire by invading another country and leveling it. Should we be surprised that they are not receptive to our ideas and way of life? If someone does that to my neighborhood, I will not be too congenial either. And then to try to unilaterally impose our way of life on an uninterested and unreceptive audience is simply foolhardy. Democracy is not something that you can export. Beheading people on the internet does not give standing to morally bankrupt idealogues. But dropping cluster bombs on them doesn't help much to refute their arguments either.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

Learn your history. The “founders” of this country came here to avoid the oppression at the hands of the majority in Europe. They had concepts of duty and obligation which we sorely need today, but no concept of freedom. They came here to impose their version of intolerance on everyone else. In Massachesetts they used to hang Quakers as subversives and blasphemers. Is that “free to do what you want”? Like it or not, unless you live on an isolated archipelago, you are part of a larger society. And you have a responsibility to the outside world, whether you like it or admit it or not. I am not giving up any of my freedoms, nor will I tolerate my government depriving me or anyone else of theirs.


ego1st
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Another reason to say ''no'' to the welfare for the corporations. Specially the welfare that gets the sons of the people of these poor areas and inner cities to be used in wars that will not change their hard lives for better. Their sons die and they pay the bills to enrich some of the richest corporations of the country.(this is not an ''anti-rich'' campaign, as I think materialism is healthy)


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

You don;t have to take my word for it. Call Blue Cross – Blue Shield, Humana, Aetna and ask them what their overhead or operating expense is (12-16%). Call Medicaid or Medicare and ask what their overhead or operating expense is (2-4%). Then construct your own ratio.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

I absolutely agree with youI I was giving you their rationalization. I think that all those Reagan era lawbreakers should have done hard time.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

I recommend that they engage their hosts as equals and shut up and learn someone else's perspective. As my daddy used to say, “you don't learn anything with your mouth open. And you don't learn anything from those who agree with you.”


CowboyMike
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

This is idiotic. Medicaid is a state issue, so which state should we call. Then regarding Medicare, tax payers pick up all the costs of buildings and other facilities hiding the true costs.


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Call any of them. My point is that insurance companies are profit making institutions serving the shareholders and stock option holding employees, not benevolent organizations. They also openly admit to denying ten percent of claims up front (for NO REASON) knowing that only 50% of them will be resubmitted by the confused claimholders. That may equal the profit margin for the year. I asked the head of BCBS of Michigan directly if he thought that was ethical. “Oh, if they are legitimate claims, they will resubmit them.” I took that as a “yes.”


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

I am sure that the Health and Human Services website would have these statistics somewhere. Medicare and Medicaid obviously differ in their features from state to state, but the overhead is less likely to vary because it reflects true administrative costs.


pappaw
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

I don't believe Bush ever changed the Constitution,he like other politicos,esp. Supreme Ct.justices,proudly use the Const.for toilet paper,anyway,why go to the trouble of a Const.Conv.when all you have to do is take a dump on the Const? Not just Bush,—ALL of them!!!


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:30 pm

Me too! i apologize if you took offense to the sheeple comment. even the sheep have the right to give up what they want. i would love to see the bush cartel go to jail for all they've done but i don't ever see that happening. my father told me the CIA has a squad called the “sanitation” crew that does strictly hits – to take out any threats to the people in power…and i think that applies to Obama too – thats why he says “we need to look to the future and move on” translation ” they will immediately dispose of me if i make trouble for them”. the pendulem swings back and forth and we will recover some of our freedoms 1 day – that i do believe. PEACE!


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

i know my history very well thank you. unfortunately you do not have a choice if your government wants to strip you of some of your rights and freedoms….they already did with the patriot act and fisa….what are you doing about that?


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:35 pm

Sheep appear very content. I am burdened with ambition and a conscience, however, so I must aspire to rise above the sheep!


aynsof
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

I lobbied my Congresspersons and voted for people who respect the enormous and unpopular burden of the Constitution. And I try to educate people on the Flushing Remonstrance of 1657, the Magna Carta of our American experience.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Lucid, I agree with you totally but in the case of these companies failing, I could care less for them. What matter to me are the people who are loosing their jobs and if could slow 3m+ job lose all at once. As far as the banks are concern, they should get the same treatment as far as credit ratings or just press reset on all this credit score process in America.


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

i'm right there with you. a country is about the people in it not the scum running it = corps and their bought and paid for greedy spinless morally bankrupt cowards.


adfadf
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

As an Iranian American I disagree. This country isn't perfect, but the say it's the same as 1930's Germany is a load of crap.


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:53 pm

I commend you! i also wish you success soooooo much is riding on it. since you may not be a billionaire you have an uphill (Capital$Hill) battle. your congressman will prbably ignore you beyond a form letter – Good Luck and thanks for trying to do something – you are what we need more of here! CHECK THIS BS OUT! http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTIxN3RkOTNuBF…

PEACE!


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:55 pm

Good luck! keep up the hard work and i thank you for it sincerely! PEACE


katykayy
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:00 pm

Sen. DeMint if you are wrong, it will be too late once you figure it out. The first revolution with Britain was over being charged 3% in taxes and our freedom! We now work 6 to 9 months out of the f#*king year to pay all the taxes that are FORCED upon us (30 to 75%) and we have very little freedom left. It is beyond time for the second revolution to begin. This tyrannical government is in enslavement mode and you know it!! It doesn't matter if the people get informed as you said, when the corruption becomes so deep (ACORN, special interest groups, lobbyists etc. etc…) that the people's voice becomes discounted time and time and time and time……..again!!!!!!! America IS ripe for another revolution!! And this government just keeps firing corrupt bullets over our bow of patience. “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants; it is its natural manure.” Thomas Jefferson I myself would rather die fighting for a free America than live in an enslaved one! And WE are running out of patience with ALL of you in Washington!!!!! We are AMERICANS, we fight for our freedom! Whether by peaceful means or with bloodshed! You in Washington have forgotten what freedom truly means!!


Lucid1
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Aynsof – Here is some good news for people that work to preserve freedom like yourself….i do believe the pendulem swings both ways and here's one that came our way!http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/ap_on_go_co/us_congress_secret_briefings_15;_ylt=AhvS_q6ABmpQ4bWynuFaOoyMwfIE;_ylu=X3oDMTE2NWFrbG92BHBvcwMyBHNlYwN5bi1yLWItbGVmdARzbGsDZXYtbGF3bWFrZXJz


Joey
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

During the AIDS scare of the 80s, insurers were dropping HIV positive health care subscribers as a matter of course. This created such a huge stink that the State of California had to pass a law to prevent the insurers from reneging on their policies.

When you're healthy, they'll happily take your money. As soon as you get sick, they look for any way possible to get rid of you. That's not my opinion, that's historical fact. It's called protecting your bottom line.

It also illustrates the incredible stupidity behind private companies providing the only health insurance. If you're in a for-profit business, then the company's profit is your main consideration and that is diametrically opposed to your main business activity – paying for health care, which goes into the expense column.

The two conflict. They will always conflict. And this is NOT good for your health care. There is ample evidence, historically, to show this, not to mention that half the people in one of the wealthiest nations in the world can't afford basic health care.

In my sarcastic opinion, only an utter moron would sing the praises of private health care as the primary health insurance. It's just so obviously stupid.

Another little-known tactic for Insurance companies is the morbid calculation of your death versus payments. Sometimes expensive treatment authorizations are slow-rolled to the point that the claimant dies because of lack of treatment. Instant savings for the insurance company. Run a google search on that and sit back, read and become pissed off. Welcome to greed versus your health.

Primary health care should be provided by the people for the people. Secondary or supplemental health insurance can then be privatized. This model works very well in many countries.


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:26 pm

Katykayy, freedom have different meaning for most, what is your definition?


katykayy
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

Freedom does not have different meanings! This just shows how enslaved people minds are. That you could even ask is scary! And I'm not trying to bash you, I'm truly not! The government has been so invasive in our lives that you probably could not name anything you enjoy doing, need to do or have to do without the government having a policy,or they're hand out, concerning it, think about it!! Enjoy fishing? License, taxes, catch limits. Need to build anything at your home? Impact fees, inspections, limits to what you're ALOUD to do to your OWN home! Think about people!! This is NOT a Republican-Democrat issue! Its a freedom issue!! Name one thing you can FREELY do! Take a shit? OOP's not so fast! Have you heard of the new flush your toilet tax? You think I'm joking? Look it up!


katykayy
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

By the way, I'm luvPatriots on twitter for any like minded patriots who are concerned for our country!


CowboyMike
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

and the Federal Government is interested in power only. I'll take the profit motive over power any day.

and just by the way, I don't for a moment believe the “deny 10% just because” crap. These copmpanies are highly regulated and subject to any whimsical review (called a market conduct study) that a state de[partment of insurance decides to perform (and then charge the company for the costs).

any complaint you have about these companies are the result of poor government oversight – yet you think the government can and does do a better job. what garbage.


CowboyMike
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

when and if a single payer system becomes enacted – I cease paying income taxes. if you want socialism, move to Euprope or Canada.


katykayy
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

later, peace out!!


maxamill
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 10:06 pm

The reason why I asked is because I expect the answer you gave. You seem leaning toward a mad-max style society with no rules. Just imaging what the US would look like if everyone could just build on their house without a permit or no catch limit or any of those things mention above are you serious! That's chaotic society, have you seen Haiti.. get real!


to_many_whiners!
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

So what about Social Security – a single payer system. Hmm, in my lifetime, the benefit age has risen from 62 to 72 and soon to be 75 before you can collect a portion of the money your hard earned taxes have paid into it. What about Medicare? How well do they pay out? Ever been to a VA hospital? Ever been to a foreign hospital? You don't like how insurance companies treated you? They are a business. They do not owe you or me anything. If you don't like the guidelines, then work with government to change the regulations, don't set up an entire government system to fix the rules – just fix the rules.
And lastly, MOST of the AIDs epidemic was limited to the portion of society that made their OWN personal choices to live a lifestyle which had inherent risks. Now you have the right to take those risk's, just like smoking, drinking, drug use etc. But why should those of us who took the time to think about what our choice would do have to pay for your bad choices? And before you go down the path of “you just came from a good family had better opportunities blah blah blah…. ” I came from an alcoholic father who wasn't afraid to use the belt or throw me across a room. We weren't rich and we went hungry from time to time. I paid my own way through college via 2 jobs and student loans.
I also lived many years without medical insurance. You know what I did? I made sure I SAVED money in the event I needed medical care. From there I bought emergency health insurance. Then I made sure I could get a job that had benefits.
so stop looking for a hand out, own up to the consequences of personal choices and stop trying to make the rest of us pay for it.


libertyandfreedom
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

For all their diatribe and venting I don't think Bill Maher, George Carlin or other progressive comedians want to “off” anyone or do a final solution, on people they disagree with. Except maybe Rush. :)

Forget about liberals, progressives or republicans, I think reasonable people who try to live rational, decent lives and get along with their neighbors are rightfully afraid of “fundamentalists” who have a “church” do their thinking for them.

Fundamentalists, whether Jew or Christian or Muslim etc are no different from each other in the sense that they have a narrow world view that they don't question and because their higher thinking is on hold and controlled by others, they are easily swayed to hate fear and take action in the name of “god” or “church”.

Fundametalism is no different than the Totalitarianism of Facism, Naziism, or Socialism.

All of these use distortions of common sense and reality, call it religion or propaganda, in an attempt to CONTROL huge populations. It is all about control and power, just like government.

As yourself if you are more worried about people who use rationality and common sense versus people who are Fundamentalists, or Facists or Socialists. The first group want to live decent lives, and and are not interested being told how to live or in telling their neighbor how to live.

The latter fundamentist group want everyone to live and think like they do, because anything less undermines their whole world view.

These rigidly controlled belief systems are memes to be feared.


to_many_whiners!
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

water torture is far from cutting someones head off. Perhaps you prefer to be in a high rise when an airplane decides to fly through it. Or maybe you prefer to be incinerated by a suitcase nuke.
Bush was far from perfect, but I do believe 9/11 left him on a mission to make America was safe. Maybe you would have done a better job? Just remember this – YOUR Congressman and Senators, the majority of whom were Democrats in the congress, voted on the issues of the war and passed it. And for the sake of argument, lets say they did not have all the facts in front of them. How many of them took the time to dig in and find the truth before pressing the YES button? How many letters have you written to your representative in the last 8 years?
The fact is, that information is hard to get form combatants – especially those as committed to a cause as some of them were. Were there some innocents in there – possible. Just like there is the possibility of innocents in our jail system. But what both of those possibility have is putting themselves in a situation of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That is harsh but so is life. I lost my son in Iraq, so if there is anyone who hates the war, I'm near the top of the list. But personal loss and sacrifice is what made this country great, not a bunch of whiners wanting their RIGHTs. The only right you have is to get up and do something beside want everyone else to take care of your mistakes and wants.


peaceword
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
Kenneth MacKenzie,Guadalupe Vasquez, . }
Caesar Vasquez Menchaca, (Petitioners) . .}
v. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . } No. 08-9595
United States (Respondent), . . . . . . . . . . .} U.S. Supreme Court Rule 15:
U.S. SOLICITOR GENERAL ELANA . . . . . } PLAINTIFFS' SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEF #3
KAGAN, Counsel for Respondent,. . . . . . . }
(Respondents) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .}
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U.S. Supreme Court Rule 15: PLAINTIFFS' SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEF #3 :
A CRIMINAL COMPLAINT #3
I, Kenneth MacKenzie, the complainant in this case, state that the following is true to the best of my knowledge and belief. On or about the date of February 2008 in the county of Harris in city of Houston, the Southern District of Texas, the defendant violated offenses described as follows:
. . . Defendant Gray Miller acting outside his ministerial and descretionary scope having usurped jurisdiction of a court case in conflict of interest and in violation of 28 USC, Section 455, taking wrongful jurisdiction not his to take, “violated” (1) The four Geneva Conventions (I,II,III,IV) of 12 August 1949 for the protection of war victims. SEE: http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/genevaconventions ;
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/gene… ; http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/geneva03.htm ; http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/geneva07.htm ; “violated”
(2) Protocol I and II Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Also SEE: Protocol I, 
Article 11 – Protection of persons, 8 June 1977. See: Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/genevaconventions ; SEE:http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/genevaconventions ; http://www.icrc.org/Web/; . . . Defendant Gray Miller also “violated” TITLE 18 – CRIMES, CHAPTER 73 – OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE;  Defendant Gray Miller violated Title 18 USC, § 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant. . . ” . . .There is extraterritorial Federal jurisdiction over an offense under this section.” (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search… ; Title 18 USC § 1512. Defendant Gray Miller, in “violation,” Tampered with captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty; Defendant Gray Miller violated 18 USC;  TITLE 18 § 1513 – Defendant Gray Miller Retaliated against a witness, victim, or an informant. ” . . .There is extraterritorial Federal jurisdiction over an offense under this section.”   http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/… ; “Title 18 USC § 1513 Defendant Gray Miller Retaliated against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty); Defendant Gray Miller violated 18 U.S.C., § 4. Misprision of felonies against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, in the mutilation-torture-murders of Pvt Kristian Menchaca (Plaintiffs’ family member), Pvt Thomas Tucker, and Pvt Joseph Anziak, Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty; Defendant Gray Miller violated Title 18 USC, Sec. 2382 – MISPRISION OF TREASON (18 U.S.C., § 2382 MISPRISION OF TREASON perpetrated to a math certainty by former U.S. Attorney General Gonzales in manipulating his own designed $50,000 Death Rewards against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, meanwhile posting life-saving Mega Million dollar rewards for al Qaida and al Shura Terrorists while said Terrorists, in violation of Geneva Convention 3, tortured to death U.S. soldier Prisoners of War life-valued by Gonzales at $50,000 while Gonzales denied any reward increases on their lives while Gonzales's Higher life valued Terrorists surrogates tortured said U.S. Prisoners of War to Death in violation of Geneva Convention 3).
Defendant Gray Miller's MISPRISION is understood as follows: In its larger sense, this word is used to signify every considerable misdemeanor, which has not a certain name given to it in the law; and it is said that a misprision is contained in every treason or felony whatever. In its narrower sense it is the concealment of a crime.
Defendant Gray Miller's MISPRISION OF TREASON is the concealment of treason, by being merely passive for if any assistance be given, to the traitor, it makes the party a principal, as there are no accessories in treason. It is the duty of every good citizen, knowing of a treason or felony having been committed to inform a magistrate. Silently to observe the commission of a felony, without using any endeavors to apprehend the offender, is a misprision.
Misprisions which are merely positive, are denominated contempts or high misdemeanors; as, for example, dissuading a witness from giving evidence.
Defendant Gray Miller's MISPRISION OF FELONY – Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the U.S., conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the U.S. 18 USC. Misprision of felony, is the like concealment of felony, without giving any degree of maintenance to the felon for if any aid be given him, the party becomes an accessory after the fact.
Title 28 U.S.C. § 1361. Action to compel officer of United States to perform his duty.
Defendant Gray Miller did not perform his duty while he did nothing while captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty were tortured and murdered from February to July 2008.
. . . . Also see: Koranic Law of Middle East Countries.
This criminal complaint is based on these facts:
. 1.   The information of this issue indicates that captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty were murdered during the time period of 22 Feb 2008 to 08 July 2008, during the same time period that U.S. Judge Miller, outside his ministerial and discretionary scope, did deny Plaintiffs’ efforts to provide $25 Million Dollar Rewards to save the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty — on a Reward life value equal to said  $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars bestowed by the U.S. Executive Branch on Terrorists.
. 2.   SEE: Rewards for Justice, Washington , D.C.20522-0303, 1-800-877-3927; RFJ@state.gov; http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page…
. 3.  This statistic and the dollar difference in Rewards is profound evidence that “$50,000 'Death Sentence' Rewards” are a catastrophic part of mutilation,torture, and murder “War Crimes” motivated against captured U.S. soldier Prisoneers of War in Iraq and in violation of Geneva Convention III of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977.
 . 4.   U.S. Citizens who volunteer for Military Service are not forewarned that if they are captured by Terrorists in Iraq or Afghanistan their own government will betray them and offer rewards for them that are 500 times lower than the U.S. government offers for the very same Mega Million / $25 Million Dollar valued terrorists who will mutilate and torture the same captured U.S. soldier Prisoneers of War reward-valued 500 time less at “$50,000 'Death Sentence' Rewards.” The irony and treachery are astounding and most shocking.
.5. Complaint against U.S. Judge Gray Miller as corruptly acting in Private Persona outside his ministerial and discretionary scope:
 . 6.  .  This “5th Circuit Rule, Judicial Misconduct Complaint” against U.S. Judge Gray Miller (1) describes pre-jurisdiction and pre-decision disqualification conditions that were a matter of record and obvious from the facts available to Judge Gray Miller before he wrongfully acted to expropriate wrongful jurisdiction and then issue a decision in U.S. Case H-08-60 while he was disqualified pursuant to 28 USC, Section 455, in “conflict-of-interest,” while he was “disqualified” outside his ministerial and discretionary scope, by reason of the fact that Miller was a President-GW-Bush nominee / appointee had knowingly taken jurisdiction of Case H-08-60, which listed Bush and several of his Cabinet Secretaries as Interested Parties who were likely to become “Defendants.”
. 7. . Miller possessed obviously available information that Miller was a nominee / appointee of President G.W. Bush to Miller’s position of U.S. District Court Judge.
. 8.  Miller possessed obviously available information from the Caption (See Appendix 1, appended herein) in Plaintiff’s case H-08-60 that President G.W. Bush was named as an “interested Party” in Plaintiff’s case H-08-60.
. 9. Miller possessed obviously available information that Plaintiff’s Case H-08-60 named in the caption former U.S. Attorney General Gonzales (a Bush nominated / appointed U.S. Attorney General) and was informed that Plaintiff’s Case H-08-60 named, in the caption (See Appendix 1, appended herein), a substantial number of Bush nominated / appointed Cabinet Secretaries as “Interested Parties.”
. 10. Miller possessed obviously available information of “USC Title 28, Section 455 – Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge (a) Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.”
. 11.  “The thing speaks for itself” (Res Ips Loquitor) that USC Title 28, Section 455 was clearly applicable or, at least, of question for Miller in Plaintiff’s Case H-08-60.
. 12. “The thing speaks for itself” (Res Ips Loquitor) that Miller did not query the Judicial Council of the Fifth Judicial Circuit to ask an opinion regarding Miller’s plans to commandeer jurisdiction as President Bush’s protégé, nominee / appointee, to  expropriate jurisdiction of Plaintiff’s Case H-08-60 away from other U.S. District Court judges who were “NOT” protégés, nominees, or appointees of President G.W. Bush and were not linked as nominees / appointees of the U.S. Executive Branch Culture of Torture that has provably worked to destroy the lives of captured U.S. soldier prisoners of War. “The thing speaks for itself” (Res Ips Loquitor). 
. 13. Plaintiff’s complaint focuses on several basic areas regarding said unlawfully expropriated decision of Miller to take jurisdiction away from other better qualified U.S. judges despite Miller’s obvious “conflict of interest” disqualification under 28 USC, Section 455, before Miller issued decisions in Case-08-60.
.14. Miller took jurisdiction by snaking around the proscriptions of 28 USC, Section 455 and surreptitiously not notifying Plaintiffs of his identification as a Bush nominee / appointee; and, Miller took jurisdiction by not querying the Judicial Council of the Fifth Judicial Circuit to determine its opinion on Miller’s decision to take jurisdiction when there were numerous valid questions against Miller taking jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 fully informed he was a Bush nominee / appointee and disqualified under Title 28, Section 455 prior to taking jurisdiction.
. 15.  Furthermore, Miller did not take jurisdiction under verification or sworn oath that he was not subject to disqualification under Title 28, Section 455, or under verification or sworn oath that he was not acting outside his ministerial and discretionary scope in conflict as a Bush Nominee / Appointee.
 . 16.  The information of Case H-08-60 explained that part of Plaintiffs’ litigation of Case H-08-60 was seeking and offering rewards of $25 Million (See Appendix 2 and also see http://kristianmenchaca.com/) expected to come from jury verdicts in Case H-08-60 on behalf of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty. In conjunction with information of Case H-08-60, Plaintiffs were offering rewards of $25 Million on the internet (See Appendix 2) linked to litigation of Case H-08-60 in efforts to save the lives of Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty who were facing mutilation, torture, and death in Iraq .
. 17. Miller ignored the plight of Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty when he snaked around the proscriptions of USC Title 28, Section 455 and wrongfully took jurisdiction apparently focused on dismissing Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 against his mentor, Bush, and his mentor’s Attorneys General and Cabinet Secretaries.
. 18.    Miller denied Plaintiffs’ Application To Proceed Without Payment Of Fee in Case H-08-60 on 25 Feb 2008; and, Plaintiffs never received information of Miller’s said denial from the Court Clerk. Miller’s said “Denial” was issued outside his Ministerial and Discretionary scope by reason of the facts indicating he was not qualified to take jurisdiction because he was disqualified pursuant to 28 USC, Section 455 in his “Conflict of Interest.”
. 19.    Miller’s wrongful denial of 25 Feb 2008 thereby had catastrophic consequences for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty –  who Miller ignored when he issued his denial, which had the effect of allowing unchallenged continuance of said U.S. Executive Branch issued “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards,” effectively motivating Terrorists to mutilate, torture, and murder captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in “War Crime” violations of Geneva Convention III of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977 as further explained, herein.
. 20.    Linked to Miller’s Denial and bizarre refusal to address the life and death issues of Case H-08-60 and Miller instead focus on the $450 filing fee marks Miller and reveals his unbalanced state of mind in that he focused on trivia while the lives of three captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War hung in the balance endangered by Miller’s Denial and delays of Case H-08-60.
. 21.   Miller, by taking jurisdiction outside his ministerial and discretionary scope as disqualified under 28 Section 455 and by wrongfully denying Plaintiffs’ life saving efforts of Case H-08-60 on 25 Feb 2008, Miller effectively removed any lawful potential for change in said U.S. Executive Branch issued “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards.”
. 22.   Thus, Miller, disqualified under Title 28, Section 455 and then acting in his Private Persona, issued an unlawful denial in Case H-08-60 which prevented Case H-08-60 from going forward to make life saving efforts on behalf of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez, and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
 . 23.   Disqualified under Title 28, Section 455 and by denying Case H-08-60 to go forward in a timely manner to publich “equal-to-terrorist-$25-Million-reward-conditions” of $25 million dollar Rewards on behalf of the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez, and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, Miller, acting in his Private Persona, did interfere with Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 and prevented “equal-to-terrorist-$25-Million-reward-conditions” from being heard by a jury in a timely manner.
. 24.       As a connected result of Miller’s wrongdoing in making the $450 filing fee a more important focus of Case H-08-60 than the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, while Miller acted outside the ministerial and discretionary scope of U.S. District Court Judge and, instead, acted in his Private Persona as “Gray Miller,” the body of Sgt. Keith Maupin was recovered in Iraq on 30 March 2008, and the bodies of Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty were recovered on 09 July 2008.
. 25.    The fact that Miller acted in the above described manner indicates Miller is unbalanced in his mental abilities to recognize that there is a profound difference between life and death issues compared to the trivia of his emphasis on the $450 filing fee.
 . 26.  In conformance with 5th Cir. R., Plaintiff is not disputing Miller’s wrongful denial of Plaintiffs’ Application To Proceed Without Payment Of Fee in Case H-08-60 even though Miller’s denial should have no standing. Plaintiff MacKenzie is pointing out the obvious conditions that existed before Miller took wrongful jurisdiction and issued his wrongful Denial.
 . 27.   It should be noted that there are four family Plaintiffs listed in Case H-08-60. Julieta Vasquez-MacKenzie the Aunt of Kristian Menchaca is unemployed, without funds, and should have right to proceed under Forma Pauperis, yet was denied by Miller while acting outside his ministerial and descretionary scope disqualified under Title 28 Section 455, then acting in his Private Persona as Gray Miller (not “U.S. Judge Gray Miller”). 
 . 28.   Cesar Menchaca, brother of Kristian Menchaca is unemployed, without funds, and should have right to proceed under Forma Pauperis, yet was denied by Miller while acting outside his ministerial and descretionary scope disqualified under Title 28 Section 455, then acting in his Private Persona as Gray Miller (not “U.S. Judge Gray Miller”).
  . 29.  Maria Guadalupe Vasquez, mother of Christian Menchaca, under employed based on her economic condition, should have right to proceed under Forma Pauperis, yet was denied by Miller while acting outside his ministerial and descretionary scope disqualified under Title 28 Section 455, then acting in his Private Persona as Gray Miller (not “U.S. Judge Gray Miller”).
 .30.   Kenneth MacKenzie was allowed to proceed in U.S. District Court to U.S. Supreme Court twice under his current economic profile in U.S. Supreme Court cases 95-9090 and 97-7616, yet was denied Application To Proceed Without Payment Of Fee in Case H-08-60 in Miller’s denial of 25 Feb 2008, by Miller while acting outside his ministerial and descretionary scope disqualified under Title 28 Section 455, then acting in his Private Persona as Gray Miller (not “U.S. Judge Gray Miller”)..  
. 31. Plaintiffs’ filed Case H-08-60 seeking orders to make rewards equally available to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War; and, Plaintiffs sought damages to be paid by Defendant Gonzales to the Vasquez Menchaca family, while listing several “Interested Parties” including Bush as possible Defendants should investigation indicate they were culpable in the wrongful death of Plaintiffs’ family member, PFC Kristian Vasquez Menchaca, who was captured by Terrorist insurgents, during June 2006, together with PFC Thomas Tucker in Yosifiya, Iraq and both barbarically tortured to death largely as a consequence said discriminatory “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” broadcast by the U.S. government after their surrender / capture (not before surrender / capture).  
. 32.    Plaintiffs’ complaint is that Judge Gray Miller wrongfully took jurisdiction of this Case H-08-60 in disregard of Title 28, Section 455; and, after taking jurisdiction, Miller’s Denial of Plaintiffs’ Application to Proceed Without Payment was made outside Miller’s ministerial and discretionary scope and made in a condition that was a violation of Title 28, Section 455 regarding Case H-08-60.
 . 33.     In retrospect of Miller taking jurisdiction of Case H-08-60, after the facts are considered that former Attorney General Gonzales is listed as a Defendant, President Bush’s name is listed as a “PARTY,” and a large number of Bush Cabinet Secretary appointees are listed as “Interested Parties” in H-08-60, why did Judge Miller not “do what is easy” and simply allow another judge who was not a Bush nominee / appointee take jurisdiction of H-08-60? The obvious answer to the obvious answer is that Miller obviously was obviously motivated by some interest to protect his Mentor, G.W. Bush and his several Cabinet Secretaries from facing the unpleasant prospect of answering for their structured and minipulated U.S. “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” against captured U.S. soldier prisoners of War that targeted them after capture motivating the very same Terrorist groups who were beneficiaries of life saving Mega Million/$25 Million Dollar Rewards to mutilate, torture, and murder “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’…” targeted U.S. soldiers ruthlessly denied “Fourteenth Amendment” equality of Terrorist life saving Mega Million/$25 Million Dollar Rewards that proveably saved the lives of all 100% of Terrorists who surrendered in Iraq, while U.S. “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” ruthlessly targeted and motivated the mutilation, torture, and murder of all 100% of captured U.S. soldier prisoners of War in Iraq, said Mega Million/$25 Million Dollar life Rewards contrasting to “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” and thereby illustrating a relentlessly targeted low life value to captured U.S. soldier prisoners of War in criminal violation of Geneva Conventions and also in criminal violation of the U.S.RICO Act and U.S. Treason Act by encouraging and motivating Terrorist organization enemies of the United States (whose members benefitted after surrender by said Mega Million/$25 Million Dollar Rewards that motivated their Iraqi Sunni and Shiite and Kurdish captors not to mutilate, torture and murder them after capture) to mutilate, torture, and murder all 100% of captured U.S. soldier prisoners of War.
. 34.   From Petitioners’ common sense point of view in this matter, Judge Gray Miller appears to be mentally disabled, or worse, which indicates he may be as mentally disabled as those in the U.S. Executive Branch whose life destroying reward policies he appears to support.   
. 35.   Judge Gray Miller’s decision to take jurisdiction of Plaintiffs’ U.S. District Court Case H-08-60, Houston, after being presented with the Case H-08-60 caption listing former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales as Defendant (Gonzales was a President-G.W.-Bush-appointee, like Miller), after being presented with the Case H-08-60 caption listing as “Interested-Parties,”  members of the U.S. Executive Branch selected by Bush, and after being presented with the Case H-08-60 caption listing President G.W. Bush as an “Interested Party,” President G.W. Bush being the very same party who had nominated Miller to his decision-making position as District Court judge, Miller wrongfully took “conflict-of-interest” jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 when it was flooded with “Interested Parties,” including President Bush, whose presence in Case H-08-60 indicated an “extreme-conflict-of-interest” should Miller take jurisdiction of Case H-08-60.
. 36.   SEE: “USC Title 28, Section 455. Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge
(a) Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.
(b) He shall also disqualify himself in the following circumstances:
(1) Where he has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party, or personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceeding;
. 37.    Miller took jurisdiction informed by the caption in Case H-08-60 of the names of the listed Executive Branch Defendant, Attorney General Gonzales (nominated by Bush), and the Interested Parties, including Miller’s mentor, President G.W. Bush, listed on the caption of Case H-08-60, which jurisdiction was immediately apparent as a “conflict of interest” to Miller due to the fact that Bush had nominated Miller to Miller’s position as District Court judge; and, obviously if Miller took jurisdiction, then Miller could repay Bush’s nomination favor by dismissing Case H-08-60 civil crime tort complaints against Bush and his Executive Branch Attorney Generals and Bush’s Cabinet Secretaries and dismissing Case H-08-60 civil crime tort complaints against Bush, himself, wherein Bush and his Executive Branch Secretaries and Attorneys General could reasonably be named as
Defendants in Case H-08-60 should further facts indicate Bush and his Secretaries ought to be named as Defendants.
  . 39. Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 informed that :
 (1) he was in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona. 
 (2) Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 informed that “USC Title 28, Section 455 applied: “(a) Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned . . .”
  (3) Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 surreptitiously without informing Petitioners he was a Bush nominee / appointee,
 (4) took jurisdiction in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona obviously intent on issuing a denial that would likely operate to also deny “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” in Iraq and Afghanistan any opportunity at equal Life saving $25 Million Rewards that could come from Case H-08-60 and thereby save their lives in the same manner as said $25 Million dollar Rewards were saving the lives of Terrorists who surrendered in Iraq;
 (5) Miller in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acted in his Private Person Persona while ignoring “USC Title 28, Section 455, … ‘(1) Where he has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party, or personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceeding’;
 (6) Before Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60, in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona, he was informed by Case H-08-60 of the following concerns on pages 343 and 344 of Plaintiffs’ primary Geneva Convention & RICO Crime complaints, wherein Plaintiffs’ were seeking damages and Court orders in an effort to save the lives of “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” targeted with U.S. “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” offered in Iraq and Afghanistan, Plaintiffs’ litigation of Case H-08-60 offering rewards of $25 Million expected to come from jury verdicts on behalf of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – and Plaintiffs offering rewards of $25 Million on the internet linked to litigation of Case H-08-60, said Reward Life Values sought by Plaintiffs to come from expected judgements in Case H-08-60 and to come from Reward donations sought by Plaintiffs to be made by the U.S. public to Reward Funds that Plaintiffs sought to establish as connected to Case H-08-60, under jurisdiction of the Court.
 . 40.   SEE: U.S. Case H-08-60 ( Houston, Texas ) ¶ “…488. order that that U.S. Attorney General Mukasey (In Office: 09 Nov 2007)-Rice-Gates be restrained from administratively ‘bad-faith’ manipulating further torture-murders together with terrorist accessories, at large, and all previous reward offers based on said Title 1, “Counterterrorism fund,” Title 18, Title 22, and other U.S. Code Titles on “Rewards” for captured U.S. troops and “Rewards” for captured Terrorists be totaled and future rewards from said fund be offered as a $25 million dollar reward offered for each captured U.S. soldier returned alive into U.S. custody, said $25 million dollar rewards for U.S. Soldiers’ life-value to at least equal for U.S. Soldiers the rate of $25 million dollar rewards currently offered ($77 million previously paid) to save the lives of terrorists.
   . 41.   Apparently, the current U.S. Attorney General Mukasey (09 Nov 2007) , and Secretary Of State Rice intend to continue to administratively ‘bad-faith’ violate the U.S. Treason Act and deny equal life saving rewards allocated from said U.S. `Counterterrorism Fund' reward money provisioned under USC TITLE I, Section 101 and under “TITLE 18, §ection 3071, Section 3072, and 22 U.S.C. Section 2708, money provisioned for the release of Spc. Alex R. Jimenez, 25, of Lawrence, Massachusetts, and  (5) Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, 19, of Waterford, Michigan, captured 12 May 2007, 2007 in Al Taqa, Iraq; and, … intend to stand by to allow Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty to be tortured to death as were 101st Airborne Division soldiers Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, 23, of Houston, Texas, and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker, 25, of Madras, Oregon.  Therefore, it is most urgent that Mukasey (09 Nov 2007) -Rice-Gates be restrained from administratively ‘bad-faith’ manipulating further torture-muders together with terrorist accessories, at large, who have demonstrated they commit war crimes against $50,000 low reward captured U.S. soldiers and violate the Geneva Conventions (I, III, IV), and, Geneva Convention Protocols I and II relative to the treatment of PRISONERS OF WAR.”
 .42.  Therefore, again, more U.S. Soldiers are certain to be tortured, while the current U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey (09 Nov 2007) and Secretary Of State Rice watch, meanwhile withholding previously allocated reward money, already to be paid from said U.S. `Counterterrorism Fund,' reward money provisioned under USC TITLE I, Section 101 and under “TITLE 18, §ection 3071, Section 3072, and ignoring 22 U.S.C. Section 2708 to save the lives of war prisoners Maupin, Jimenez and Fouty…
   . 43. Without signing any oath directly answering Title 28, Section 455, in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona, Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 and issued his denial which somehow never reached Plaintiffs in the mail; and, Miller then did nothing while said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – were murdered, while denied by Bush and Miller the higher $25 million Dollar Rewards that protected the terrorists Bush and Miller protected with said $25 million Dollar Rewards while denying same to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
  .44  While Miller did nothing in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona, the death notifications regarding all three of said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin (body found 30 Mar 2008), Spc. Alex R. Jimenez (body found 09 Jul 2008) and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty (body found 09 Jul 2008) — became published in the news media.
 . 45.   Miller’s said denial in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona on Case H-08-60 and essential denial of immediate jury trial and delays caused by the circumstances of Miller’s behavior essentially maintained the operation of U.S. Executive Branch treasonable “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards,” which previously had been instrumental in the mutilation-torture-murders of Pvt Kristian Menchaca (Plaintiffs’ family member), Pvt Thomas Tucker, and Pvt Joseph Anziak, all who were not informed at enlistment that the U.S. Executive Branch had plans to slander, defame, betray, and otherwise lower their Reward life values 500 times below the lives of Terrorist enemies of the United States during Wartime to such an extent that said treasonable “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” essentially established that the lives of “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” were essentially valued at a level of “TRASH,” at 500 times less than the lives of Terrorist enemies of the United States.
. 46.  Said treasonable “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” that Miller manipulated to “continue-in-progress” was maintained by Miller making the U.S. Court filing fee more important than higher life saving $25 Million Rewards for captured US soldier Prisoners Of War, thereby in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona not allowing immediate processing of Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60, which sought to raise the “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” to a higher level of $25 Million equal to those life saving $25 Million Rewards the U.S. advertised and paid on behalf of terrorist enemies of the United States, while Pvt Kristian Menchaca (Plaintiffs’ family member), Pvt Thomas Tucker, and Pvt Joseph Anziak, Sgt. Keith Maupin (body found 30 Mar 2008), Spc. Alex R. Jimenez (body found 09 Jul 2008) and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty (body found 09 Jul 2008) were tortured to death and murdered by the very same terrorists who were beneficiaries of said higher “mega-million-to-$25-Million-dollar” life Rewards as advertised by Defendant Gonzales and the U.S. Executive Branch “Interested Parties,” Attorney Generals Ashcroft and Mukasey, Secretaries Rice, Rumsfeld, and Gates at U.S. Department of State and Department of Justice “Rewards For Justice” Web sites.
. 47. SEE: Rewards for Justice, Washington , D.C.20522-0303, 1-800-877-3927; RFJ@state.gov; http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page…
. 48.   There are many reasons why Judge Gray Miller obviously should have not taken wrongful “Conflict-of-Interest” jurisdiction of Case H-08-60; however, Miller’s wrongful application of “Bush-Conflict-of-Interest” misappropriation of jurisdiction and Miller’s wrongful application of “Bush-Conflict-of-Interest” authority could have easily been assigned to another U.S. District Court judge, essentially assigned to a non-Bush nominee not in conflict.
. 49.    However, Miller grabbed a “Bush-Conflict-of-Interest” expropriation- control of Case H-08-60 and enabled himself as a self-appointed surrogate of Bush in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona to deny Plaintiffs any opportunity for a public trial that would expose the treasonable “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” structures of the U.S. Executive Branch targeting “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” with U.S. “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” in violation of Geneva Convention III of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977, as described in Case H-08-60.
  .50.  Miller’s “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona had catastrophic death consequences for the remaining three terrorist-captured U.S. soldier Prisoners Of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – whose lives might well have been saved by timely application of the U.S. Rewards that Plaintiffs sought to equalize, in balance with the equal-protection-of-the-law provisions of the U.S. Fourteenth Amendment, as equal in value to the Mega-Million dollar rewards the U.S. Executive Branch was then currently advertising and paying-out, and paying-out on behalf of captured terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan, which had the effect of saving the lives of “at-large” terrorists who surrendered, as said U.S. mega-million-dollar Rewards were advertised at U.S. government Department of Justice and Department of State published “Rewards For Justice” Web sites.
.51. SEE: Rewards for Justice, Washington , D.C.20522-0303, 1-800-877-3927; RFJ@state.gov; http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page…
. 52.    Miller’s wrongful “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona in application of “Bush-Conflict-of-Interest” judicial authority to deny Plaintiffs’ Application to proceed to hearing and immediate trial of Case H-08-60, essentially interfered with life saving U.S. Reward publications of “Fourteenth Amendment Equal-to-terrorist-$25 Million Dollar Rewards for Captured U.S. Soldiers” on behalf of the lives of Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, who were then, 22 Feb 2008 being held as terrorist-captured U.S. soldier Prisoners Of War in Iraq and facing barbaric mutilation, torture, and murder at the hands of their terrorist captors. Hearing and immediate trial of Case H-08-60 would undoubtedly have changed all this had not Miller expropriated jurisdiction away from other U.S. judges who were not self-appointed Henchmen for the U.S. Executive Branch White House.
 . 53.   Plaintiffs waited on Miller’s decision regarding their “Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee” (Forma Pauperis) from February to June 2008. Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie then contacted the Court Clerk to determine if the Court assessed additional charges to issue Summons in Case H-08-60. The Clerk explained that Miller had denied Plaintiffs’ “Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee” on 25 Feb 2008 and the Clerk had mailed him a copy of Judge Miller’s Denial during February 2008.
. 54.   Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie explained he was unaware of Miller’s denial, had never received notice of Miller’s Denial in the mail, and requested a copy from the U.S. District Court Clerk.
 . 55.  Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie then filed an Appeal of Miller’s said denial with the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans .
. 56.   Subsequently, Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie learned from U.S. News media that Sgt. Keith Maupin’s body remains had been found, 30 March 2008, in Iraq after the U.S. Defense Department had paid more than $200,000 to Informants to reveal the location. Later, 09 Jul 2008, the U.S. News Media announced the body recoveries of Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
 . 57.   Based on U.S. Army intelligence that Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty were alive at the time Plaintiffs filed their lawsuit Case H-08-60, then Miller’s denial in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona on Plaintiffs’ “Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee” on 25 Feb 2008 effectively interfered with and blocked Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 efforts to save Sgt. Keith Maupin’s life by Plaintiffs’ seeking higher $25 Million Dollar ‘Fourteenth Amendment Equal’ Rewards on behalf of  “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” who were apparently evaluated as “Undermen” by the Miller-supported U.S. Executive Branch at $50,000 Dollar ‘Death Sentence’ Reward, each.
. 58.   Hence, Miller’s denial in “conflict of interest,” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona on Plaintiffs’ “Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee,” on 25 Feb 2008, effectively interfered with and blocked Plaintiffs’ Case-H-08-60-sought “Fourteenth-Amendment-EQUAL-To-Terrorists” $25 Million life-saving Rewards on behalf of  “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War”; and, Miller thereby corruptly and criminally denied the “U.S. Bush White House $50,000-Dollar-‘Death-Sentence’-Reward-targeted Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez, and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty an “equal chance” to be $25 Million “Reward-equal” to terrorist enemies of the United States during wartime. Essentially, in bad faith and conflict of interest, Miller deliberately, corruptly and criminally, with malice aforethought, expropriated jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 apparently with the premeditated purpose of murderously denying “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” the possibility of “equal” life saving Rewards of $25 Million that had already proven to save the lives of 100% of all Terrorists who had surrendered in Iraq.
. 59.      Miller’s murderously treasonable denial of Case H-08-60 efforts to save “U.S. Bush White House $50,000-Dollar-‘Death-Sentence’-Reward-targeted Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty from the treasonable effects of the “U.S. Bush White House $50,000-Dollar-‘Death-Sentence’-Rewards clearly revealed Miller’s murderous Treason against the soldiers and national defense of the United States that is outside Miller’s ministerial and discretionary scope, which proveably indicates Miller must be impeached and prosecuted for his murders and treasons against the people and military personel of the United States. 
. 60.     Miller premeditatedly taking jurisdiction, when Title 28 Section 455 clearly indicated he should recuse himslef, shows that Miller intended to issue denials that would treasonably cost the lives of “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” as Bush’s and Miller’s record clearly illustrates. Said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – were savagely murdered by their Terrorist Captors, while said U.S. soldier Prisoners of War were denied by Bush and Miller the higher $25 million Dollar Rewards that saved the lives of terrorists Bush and Miller protected with said $25 million Dollar Rewards while ruthlessly, relentlessly, and treasonably denying same life saving protection to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
. 61.     The facts indicate that Miller had information that indicated “U.S. $50,000-Dollar-‘Death-Sentence’-Rewards had targeted Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, before Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60. Miller took jurisdiction that was not his to take by snaking around Title 28, Section 455 and issuing denials against Plaintiffs’ efforts to save the lives of said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – who were savagely murdered by their Terrorist Captors, while said U.S. soldier Prisoners of War were denied by Bush and Miller the higher $25 million Dollar Rewards that saved the lives of terrorists who Bush and Miller protected with said $25 million Dollar Rewards while ruthlessly, relentlessly, and treasonably denying same life saving protection to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
. 62.     Should another U.S. District Court judge, instead of Miller, have taken jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 and allowed $25 Million dollar Rewards in defiance of the Bush U.S. Executive Branch $50K Death Rewards, it would be almost impossible for the Bush U.S. Executive Branch to appeal in front of the public as at that perticular juncture the Bush Administration would be then be publicly recognized as appealing to restore its treasonably low $50,000 Death Sentence Rewards to continue motivating Terrorists to mutilate, torture, and murder “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” as contrasted alongside Bush-Gonzales-Rice $25 Million dollar Rewards for terrorists, which said $25 Million dollar Rewards if allowed for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War would be 14th Amendment Equal and thereby would create higher potential to save the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War.
 . 63.     Miller was informed of this and instead elected to corruptly expropriate jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 when other U.S. District Court Judges could have been assigned to Case H-08-60 had Miller not expropriated Case H-08-60 for his own wrongful decision making process, which directly and indirectly aided and abbeted life destroying Terrorism against said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – who were savagely murdered by their Terrorist Captors, while said U.S. soldier Prisoners of War were denied by Bush and Miller the higher $25 million Dollar Rewards that saved the lives of terrorists who Bush and Miller protected with said $25 million Dollar Rewards while ruthlessly, relentlessly, and treasonably denying same life saving protection to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War.
. 64.      Miller was informed that such an Executive Branch Appeal would reveal the U.S. Executive Branch had been committing furtive and surruptitious life-destroying Treason against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in violation of Title 18 US Code once the Appeal was seen alongside the body count of $50,000 Death Sentence U.S. soldiers in the light of Public Opinion.
. 65.      Moreover, the tortured bodies of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in direct correlation of Miller’s Treasons in denying them right to higher and equal Rewards of $25 Million U.S. provided to Terrorists would also expose Miller’s U.S. Code Treasons against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War as Miller had operated his U.S. Code Treason violations when he administratively and judicially murdered Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty by means of his said denials in Case H-08-60. Whle “murder” appears to be a strong term, this stronng term murder is exactly what was inflicted on captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in direct correlation of Miller’s Treasons in denying U.S. soldier Prisoners of War right to higher and equal Rewards of $25 Million U.S. provided to Terrorists by Miller’s mentally unbalanced behavior of Miller insisting that a $450 Court fee was more important than the lives of said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – who were savagely murdered by their Terrorist Captors, while said U.S. soldier Prisoners of War were denied by Bush and Miller the higher $25 million Dollar Rewards that saved the lives of terrorists who Bush and Miller protected with said $25 million Dollar Rewards.
. 66.     Miller’s denial of Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 effectively identified Miller as an “Anti-American” judge issuing “Auschwitz-type” judicial decisions in support of “Auschwitz-type” U.S. Attorney Generals and “Treasonable U.S. Executive Branch Secretaries” that produced “Auschwitz-type” ‘Death-Sentences’ against “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War.”
. 67.      It is not hyperbole to say “Cain slew Able”; and, Miller slew Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez, by means of denying Case H-08-60 Plaintiffs’ efforts to proceed. While it is obvious that Miller’s judicial denial of Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 did relate to the Terrorist murders of Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez, and was both indirect and direct, this condition does not make Miller’s slaying of Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez any less truthful.
. 68.   Miller’s Forma Pauperis denial interfered with Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 efforts to increase U.S. Reward amounts to $25 Million each for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War and on behalf of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in direct correlation of Miller’s Treasons in denying Maupin’s, Fouty’s, and Jimenez’s Fourteenth Amendment right to higher and equal Rewards of $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars already bestowed to Terrorists by Attorney Generals Ashcroft, Gonzales, and Mukaysey, said  $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars having been criminally and treasonably denied to Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez by Attorney General Ashcroft, Attorney General Gonzales, Sectretaries Rice & Rumsfeld denying $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars, then later treasonably denied to Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez sucessively by Attorney General Mukaysey, Secretary Rice, and Gates.
. 69.      Miller’s wrongful expropriation of Case H-08-60 and refusal to recuse himself indicates “the thing speaks for itself (‘Res Ips Loquitor’),” a Pattern of behavior by Miller that incorporates the same manipulation of “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” that Miller continued when he ignored the fact that he was a Bush Nominee / Appointee, and concealed from Plaintiffs the fact that he was a Bush Nominee, who most wrongfully ignored USC Title 28, Section 455, and wrongfully took jurisdiction which was outside Miller’s Ministerial and Discretionary scope according to the provisions of  USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby Miller issuing Miller’s denial in Case H-08-60 that effectively blocked Plainfiffs; and, furthermore, following from Miller’s denial, the U.S. Court Clerk did not notify Plaintiffs in a timely manner by certified U.S. Mail regarding these most important “life-and-death” issues as Miller’s Denial applied to Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez. The Clerk’s notification by regular U.S. mail proved to be inadequate as Plaintiffs never received any word of Millers denial until Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie contacted the Clerk in June 2008 to determine if the Court charged for issuance of Summons.
. 70.      Miller’s entire pattern of conduct from his wrongful expropriation of Case H-08-60 to his predictable “Denial” of “Plaintiffs’ Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee (Forma Pauperis)” indicates that Miller had decided to subordinate the “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” considerations to the even lower amount of a $450 filing fee for Case H-08-60 before he wrongfully expropriated jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 to  manipulate his wrongful denial of Plaintiffs efforts to proceed to a speedy trial and hearing. 
. 71.      Before unlawfully usurping  and expropriating jurisdiction of Case H-08-60, Miller apparently premeditated a criminal plan whereby after wrongfully expropriating jurisdiction, Miller ignored and furthermore trivialized Case H-08-60 by criminally subordinating the life and death reward issue considerations of the U.S. Executive Branch “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” offers to Miller’s even lower criminal amount of a $450 filing fee for Case H-08-60 requiring a $450 filing fee to be paid before Miller would consider the fact that captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez — in Iraq would be murdered by their Terrorist Captors while Miller trivialized their lives at an even lower amount of a $450 Court filing fee compared to “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards”.
. 72.      While there were several ways said $450 Court filing fee for Case H-08-60 could have been processed or handled, Miller manipulatively and unecessarily selected the single condition that created the most delay and liklihood of mutilation, torture, and “certain-murder” against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez – by Miller selectively denying “Plaintiffs’ Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee (Forma Pauperis)” for Case H-08-60, which sought to change the Bush Executive Branch “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War to become equal to higher life-saving Rewards of $25 Million that Bush’s Executive Branch was offering and paying to save lives of surrendered terrorists and “at large” terrorists from April 2004 through 09 July 2008 and to the present time, but was treasonably denying to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War unto torture, mutilation and murder prohibited by Geneva Convention III of 1949 and The Geneva Protocols of 1977.
.73.    Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 set forth higher life-saving Rewards of $25 Million each for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War  — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez – that Miller treasonably denied as equal $25 Million dollar rewards to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War  — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez –  while Miller was actively and deliberately in violation of USC Title 28, Section 455 and thereby acting outside of his Ministerial and Discretionary scope.
. 74.     When the overall pattern of Miller’s behavior is examined, from the time prior to his wrongful taking jurisdiction of Case H-08-60, in conflict as a Bush appointee surruptitiously not informing Plaintiffs, a Bush appointee denying captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War  — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez – the $25 Million Dollar Rewards sought by Plaintiffs in Case H-08-60, it is most apparent that Miller intended to insure that the White House Reward Treasons against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War would continue to motivate terrorist enemies of the United States to inflict mutilation, torture, and murder against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, whose Reward life values had obviously been slandered and defamed by “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” to the “lowest life value” in Iraq and Afghanistan, in fact slandered to 500 times less than the most wanted Terrorists, bin Ladin and Zawahiri, thereby portraying captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War as virtually valueless “trash” to their Moslem captors who well understood the Moslem tradition of “Blood Money.”
. 75.      The horiffic consequences of said treasonable Executive Branch “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” policy were that Terrorist captors consistently and predictably mutilated, tortured, and murdered captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in violation of Geneva Convention III of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977 as inspired by “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards”.
. 76.      What is most revealing about Miller’s wrongful behavior is that Case H-08-60 redunantly set forth the details of said treasonable Executive Branch “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” policy and plainly explained how said $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” policy had produced an ever increasing body count of predictably mutilated, tortured, and murdered captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in violation of Geneva Convention III of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977.
.77.      Yet, Miller, with this information of Case H-08-60 in hand, surruptitiously took jurisdiction apparently with the most vile and criminal of intentions to deny Plaintiffs’ efforts to increase rewards on behalf of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War who were Victims of the White House Executive Branch “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” policy.
. 78.     Miller’s wrongful expropriation of Case H-08-60 and refusal to recuse himself indicates that his deliberate denial of Plaintiffs’ “Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee (Forma Pauperis)” was premeditatedly made with hostile and murderous indifference to the fate of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez.
. 79.      Miller wrongfully interfered with Case H-08-60 by denying it from being heard by a trail jury and Grand Jury. It is obvious that Miller intended to prevent higher Rewards for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War and intended to stand by to allow Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty to be tortured to death by Terrorist captors in Iraq . And, this is essentially what happened as a result of Miller denying Case H-08-60 going forward to trial, thereby treasonably denying equal $25 Million dollar rewards to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War  — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez –  while Miller was actively and deliberately in violation of USC Title 28, Section 455 and thereby acting outside of his Ministerial and Discretionary scope.
. 80.      This sequence of events is so obvious in Miller’s behavior that “the thing speaks for itself (‘Res Ips Loquitor’)”: Miller’s behavior and denial of Case H-08-60 as being connected to the deaths of Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty by denying Case H-08-60 from going forward to trial based on Miller’s perverse demand that the $450 court filing fee be paid instead of waiving it in the interest of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War  — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez, thereby denied and prevented higher Rewards to save their lives as equally as the U.S. Executive Branch was saving Terrorist lives with the higher $25 Million dollar Rewards it advertised at its several “Rewards for Justice” Web Sites located at the U.S. Department of Justice and U.S. Department of State, at the same time Miller’s treasonable denial was in effect from 25 Feb 2008 to the present, August 2008.
. 81.   SEE: Rewards for Justice, Washington , D.C.20522-0303, 1-800-877-3927; RFJ@state.gov; http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page…
. 82.      Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez had U.S. Fourteenth Amendment rights to higher and equal Rewards of $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars to be treated with at least the same life-saving reward equality as Terrorist enemies of the United States and not to be treasonably slandered so far downward as to be publicly announced in the media as being assigned by their own government as at the lowest reward values, “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards,” in Iraq, unto 500 times less reward life value than the terrorist enemies of the United States.
  .83.    At this particular juncture, it is most appropriate to question whether the U.S. Executive Branch in its advocacy of the lowest reward values, “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards,” in Iraq , unto 500 times less reward life value than the terrorist enemies of the United States was a violation of Title 18, Section 2381 – Treason, by deliberation or by error.
. 84.   SEE: USC Title 18, Section 2381 – Treason: Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
 . 85.     Plaintiff concedes that it is possible for high ranking persons in U.S. government, deficiently educated in the law, even unbalanced U.S. Court Judges like Miller, to ignorantly perpetrate and commit acts that violate United States Codes, including ignorant violations of RICO (especially RICO) and ignorant violations of Treason, completely oblivious of the violations.
. 86.      However, ignorance, if true, does not mean that ignorant perpetration of a serious U.S. Code violation linked to atrocities and War Crimes against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez — should be ignored or forgiven.
. 87.      U.S. Judge Miller, after reading and learning the contents of Case H-08-60, obviously planned to expropriate wrongful jurisdiction with the purpose in mind of delaying consideration of U.S. Case H-08-60 in direct correlation of denying Maupin’s, Fouty’s, and Jimenez’s Fourteenth Amendment right to higher and equal Rewards of $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars to be Reward equal to Terrorists who were surviving surrender and capture in Iraq at a 100 % survival rate because they were blessed with Mega-Million dollar rewards while U.S. soldiers were cursed with “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards,” which obviously caused them to be tortured to death and murdered as targets of Bush’s White house Culture of Torture.
. 88.     The information of this issue indicates that captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty were murdered during the time period of 22 Feb 2008 to 08 July 2008, during said time period that U.S. Judge Miller, outside his ministerial and discretionary scope, did deny Plaintiffs’ efforts to provide $25 Million Dollar Rewards to save the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty — on a Reward life value equal to said  $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars bestowed by the U.S. Executive Branch on Terrorists.
. 89.     Miller’s denial was in “conflict of interest,” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in Miller’s Private Person Persona In decisions that impact the question of human-life during administration of any private or government institution, meanwhile understanding there are many ways to administratively save or destroy lives, directly and indirectly, or by manipulation of nonfeasance, misfeasance, or malfeasance.
. 90.      Thus, Miller’s denial of Case H-08-60 did have the same detrimental and life-destroying effect as applied by the U.S. Executive Branch against Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty. Miller’s wrongful behavior in not recusing himself is very obvious on the face of the record in the matter of Case H-08-60, in that “the thing speaks for itself (‘Res Ips Loquitor’).”
. 91. Complainant / Plaintiff requests this Court to appoint a 'Special Counsel' to present information of the herein alleged Felonies to a U.S. Grand Jury if the U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Attorney General, fails or refuses to present information of the listed Crimes, herein, to a Grand Jury, and Complainant / Plaintiff requests these wrongdoings be publicly investigated by U.S. law enforcement agencies to include FBI, Homeland Security Agency, and BATF; and, said Crime reports be provided to these agencies and to the various U.S. Grand Juries and courts having jurisdiction of the Crimes reported by Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie of the Kristian Menchaca Family and, within this Court's Jurisdiction.
. 92.  The Kristian Menchaca Family petitions this Court issue a Protective Order to include the protection of the U.S. Victim/Witness program to Protect the Family of Kristian Menchaca .
Complainant’s signature : S/ Kenneth MacKenzie,
Printed name : Kenneth MacKenzie;
title : Pro Se, Properia Persona, Complainant /
Plaintiff member of Kristian Menchaca Family
of U.S. Court Case H-08-60 – Houston, TX and
U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT Case # OTP-CR-100/08
Home address: 2314 Gentry, Houston, TX 7


Macaroni
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

Memes? Dawkins-speak, huh? Dawkins made that idea up. You bought it wholesale. WHO controls YOUR thinking, friend? As to Christianity, it is voluntary. I am a Christian. No one controls me. I CHOOSE to believe, because it is the most RATIONAL thing going. Atheism is irrational. And I also happen to believe that the best way to have a civilized world that is worth living in is to follow Christian principles as given in Scripture (not as made up in someone's imagination). Libertarian notions of live-and-let-live include a lot of really funky stuff that doesn't work out so well in the real world. There is no perfect world this side of eternity. There is an upside and a downside to everything, including your libertarian daydreams. If everyone lived by Christian principles, the upside would be a civilized world with greatly reduced war, crime, and the other bad stuff that people do. Because people would keep themselves to just their one spouse, sexually transmitted diseases would disappear. The only downside would be for humanists who would feel they had no freedom to do all the immoral things that liberals are pushing on society and which are destroying society.


Macaroni
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

Cowboy Mike is singing my song!!!! If you don't want our form of government, MOVE TO EUROPE where they have exactly what you want!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They have all the stinking socialism you could ever desire. It would be your idea of paradise. Can I help you pack your suitcase, make your reservations for you?


TFox
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 11:52 pm

Not Bad!!! for a Republican – Although I am a Canadian – This encourages me about the United States – Agree or Not – This is very well laid out dialogue

This is what people should be talking about – I think with this type of dialogue – the change will arrive.

TFox
Toronto, CA


pappaw
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 12:33 am

The United States had NO building permits,nor fishing licenses,hunting licenses,nor drivers licenses,dog licences in the 18th & 19th century.Licenses started in the 20th century.In CA. Const. Art.1 Sec.25 gives the people the RIGHT to fish, yet the STILL try to require you to obtain a license to fish AND require you to WEAR said license on you person in special plastic tag holders so the game wardens can view them from a distance while they remain hidden behind brush,under rocks,etc. FACT: rights are not taxable,only priveleges.Licensing is a 20th century usurpation of rights,as well as unconstitutional taxation.


joanhamblin
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 12:34 am

I absolutely agree with DeMint. l, as a 75-year-old, have seen the erosion of the U.S. Constitution by legislating Supreme Court jurists, by over-reaching Congressmen, and by U.S. presidents. If we are to save the United States of America, we need to return to the truths espoused by our Founding Fathers who established our Constitutional Republic. We need to reject any form of socialism and take more responsibility for ourselves. A strong-centralized government is what our founders feared, and as we give up more and more of our rights, we lose more and more of our independence and freedom.


pappaw
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Your socialIST INsecurity system does the exact same thing—turn a person down the 1st & sometimes 2nd application.Some of these unknowing fools hire a lawyer(read liar),because they believe it is necessary.The liar then takes 1/3 of their(applicants) award.If they haven't been told,they don't know that all it takes is persistance.


pappaw
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 1:23 am

Once you stop paying income taxes,the American Gestapo will hunt you down.If you collect ANY Gov't money,earned or granted,you are considered part & parcel to their crimes,therefor,you can't win in court. If you seek help from a licensed lawyer,he will boilerplate you,using legalese,so you think you are being duly represented,but you STILL lose the case & you go away broke,erroneously thinking your lawyer did the best of his ability. Lawyers KNOW the illegalities of our tax system,but keep their mouths shut because THAT is the basis of their livelyhood. Thay get paid whether they win or lose,so there is no incentive to winning.Losing is easier,faster & requires less effort on their part! My wife thwarted their efforts to garnishee her wages.They then garnisheed mine( I was Gov't employee at the time.–I could not win because of my ststus. I eventually got my money returned. Not by justice, but by act of congress. I would have rather won in court. Now that I know the rules,I cannot play the game. So,instead,I tried to help other people. I assisted in unauditing 1 woman,& helped a few others defend themselves in court. Judges offered greatly reduced fines for their submissions—& they took it. They had it in the bag,then let it go. Oh,well, I'm sure it was a scary ordeal for them,& I guess it could be viewed as a partial victory for them. At least they represented themselves.A paid lawyer would have gotten them the same offer,so, they saved money there,PLUS maybe they went away proud of what they accomplished face to face w/big Gov't.I hope so.


pappaw
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 1:41 am

O.K.,where can I find factual info of the Flushing Remonstrance of 1657? BTW American Liberty is based in part on the Magna Carta.


libertyandfreedom
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 2:13 am

“Memes” is all over the internet, in fact that's why we are posting here and elsewhere, right? Memes is just a fancy word for ideas, and the recognition of their power.

We know the history and future of the world is about ideas, and the selection of which ideas have value, which ideas get exposure, which ideas when applied lead to a better life.

I may have read some Dawkins many years ago, but I have read a lot over my years, and still I feel not enough. To accuse my thinking of being controlled because I use word coined by an author, is a bit silly.

To your point, I believe in the basic christian values. The 10 commandments make rational sense. Most religions have some great values. What you say about principles has a lot of merit, christian principles, jewish principles, muslim and buddhist principles all have positive upside when applied.

What I object to is the power of religion (or facism or socialism) over people because the very structure of these belief systems says anything outside of the belief system is wrong, bad, evil, etc. This world view even if initiated from a positive source, leads to intolerance, and fear. If a Pastor or Priest who is essentially a good spirtual person gets up and says “homosexuality is evil”, or “don't use condoms, just abstain from sex until marriage”, or “support the Iraq war”, or “white is black”, people who have heard other positive messages from that Pastor will blend that right in with what they believe. Why? because the Pastor “knows God's intent”, and “God says so”, and according to many religions if you don't follow “God's word”, you will “go to hell”. And the people will reinforce these beliefs throught the flock.

When you talk about humanists and what is immoral, you are getting a bit high and mighty, which is what I expect from so called religious folks. To think about all of the bloodshed from people in power that used religion as a cover for other very immoral agendas… we don't
have time to list them all. From the Crusades to the Taliban it is all the same.

If you look at the the Judiasm, Christianity and Islam, many of the core principles and values are the same, and they are postive values for living. Then why are people who should have the positive beliefs killing each other for eternity?

They are killing each other because people in power are using their people's religious devotion for their own immoral agendas.

I don't think your quote “Libertarian notions of live-and-let-live” is the crux of Libertarian ideas, but it seems a good idea to me. What do you propose, “live-and-let-die”? Because to be honest I think “live-and-let-die” is the reality of the hate I see spewed by people who call themselves Christians and fundamentalists of most religions.

If you “don't believe in god, you will go to hell”, is an idea which is dehumanising. Even worse is “if you don't believe in my brand of god you will…”.

I don't need a god to tell me to not covet or kill, I think most of us know good from bad. If you think that Christians or any religious folk are more moral than other folk you are deceiving yourself.

Indeed, if you have a rational belief based on your experience which is truly yours, I think that is much more powerful for to to uphold than spoon fed beliefs from a powerful source. In the “religious” case once you doubt some of the beliefs or the source you doubt everything. How many “spriritual leaders” in this country have been outed as the nastiest, greediest, most morally decrepit scum? Quite a few. Other non-religious people are morally bankrupt too. Even libertarians. :)

There is a reason why our founding fathers embdeded into our Consttution the important idea of separation of church and state, and I am grateful for it.

Our founding fathers also envisioned a less powerful central government than we have allowed to posses us over the years, as other posters have pointed out.


whitetiger
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 2:23 am

to macamil: Again, your ignorance damns you. The bible is God's revelation to mankind. It tells us how to get to heaven and how to avoid hell. You haven't got a clue about any of that. Whether you get to heaven or not is up to you. If you obey Jesus Christ in all things you will succeed. Otherwise you will fail, Heb.5.9, and spend eternity screaming in agony in the lake of fire, Rev.21.8. You are, at present, a Rom.10.3 person, and that will not pay off for anyone.Your selfdesigned plan of salvation is not at all congruent with Gods plan, revealed to mankind in His bible.

to grfx: Wrong again. Were there no banks in any communist countries from 1918 to 1989? Are there no banks in China today? Think beforeyou type.
And try not to make yourself a fool with dumb stuff implying that I am an anti-semite. I am an ethnic Jew. My wife is Chinese. Liberals do not think- they just spew. Obamas birth certificate has NOT been published. A recently manufactured copy of a certificate of live birth, which is used for folks not born in hawaii, altered, was released. His aunt and grandmother state they witnessed his birth in Kenya. He has spent over a million dollars keeping all his personal, college, etc., records sealed.
Where have you been while all this took place?
Rothschilds want a oneworld, totalitarian(communist) government because it will be necessary to have such a political system so they can control the world.Governments that own the means of production are, by definition, communist. The USA now owns AIG, GMC, etc. Thats communism.
And Dr Keyes knows, you don't, that the founders based the constitution on biblical principles, generically christian, as their personal writings clearly show.

to aynsof: Aside from the invective: please read Websters three-tiered definition, then click on Hitlers system and see if it is congruent with socialism. Rothschilds financed him, partly through IG Farben, because, to them, money is more important that a small thing like the holocaust. They finance bothsides in most wars, and also own controlling shares in the munitions and other logistical manufacturers. War is good to them. In all probability they told Dubya to invade Iraq.
And, those of who will not murder babies, condone sex perversion, steal the savings and the freedoms of our people, are not thereby Nazis, who love the very evils we despise.

to grfx: Wrong still again, Whatever government does not condemn, it thereby automatically condones.Prohibition was not the problem. The problem was the deliberate, mass refusal to obey the laws of prohibition.Joe Sixpack was determined to destroy his life with the drug of his choice no matter what. Government need not endorse; the damage is done when it condones, or tolerates.
And you are wrong about the leftist hypocrites, too. They vote for abortion, for homosexual perversion, for disarming both our military and our citizens, for surrendering our national sovereignty to international organizations, etc. You do not believe in God, so “sin” has no meaning for you. You cannot prove that God does not exist; nor can you refute the argument that He does exist, so you base your life on some indefensible “gut feeling”. Lots of luck.


extremezone
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 5:01 am

Amen brother, Amen.


extremezone
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 5:05 am

Rock on! But be nice to Macamil, that post is not all that bad, is it?


katykayy
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 5:39 am

maxamill, if you like the government up your ass every step, from birth to death, there are many countries you'll feel right at home in. America was different! It was where the individual could go as far as they could dream, without interference or theft from the government. People used to be able to start a small business by putting a shingle out. Now look at the red tape and hoops they have to jump thru. This hurts the poorest of people even tho they have a great idea, to bad, if you don't have alot of money, alot of education you aren't going anywhere! Do you really think all these government rules and regs. really help our country? Look at cap and trade. Its only going cause more poverty because we're going to be taxed more than we've ever been taxed before. We all work for the greedy bastards in Washington, the state governments and the local city governments! They are stealing billions of dollars from us, and I'm not even talking about the pork and pet projects. I'm talking about what they actually put in they're pockets. Go work for any government agency. I garantee it won't take long before you see theft for yourself. There's no excuse in hell, for the taxes we pay, not one!!!!! And do you actually think that the people who founded our great country were stupid??????????? How the hell did they survive without the nanny state taking care of them. Have you ever asked yourself that? We use to be FREE to soar. It wasn't a mad-max style society when this country was free. Someone sold you a bill of goods and sadly you bought it!


peaceword
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 6:50 am

IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
 Kenneth MacKenzie,Guadalupe Vasquez, . }
Caesar Vasquez Menchaca, (Petitioners) . . }
v. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .} No. 08-9595
United States (Respondent), . . . . . . . . . . . } U.S. Supreme Court Rule 15:
U.S. SOLICITOR GENERAL ELANA. . . . . .} PLAINTIFFS' SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEF #2
KAGAN, Counsel for Respondent, . . . . . . . }
(Respondents) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . }
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U.S. Supreme Court Rule 15: PLAINTIFFS' SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEF #2 : : :
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . WAR CRIME COMPLAINT
. #. I, Kenneth MacKenzie, the complainant in this case, state that the following is true to the best of my knowledge and belief.
. #. I have served all information of U.S. Supreme Court Case No. 08-9595 of these War Crime matters to U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, ICC, Prosecutor, Case # OTP-CR-100/08, PO Box 19519, 2500 CM, The Hague, The Netherlands, email: otp.informationdesk@icc-cpi.int The Netherlands; and, said ICC did immediately provide a simple and direct Web site electronic filing process at “otp.informationdesk@icc-cpi.int” and did not structure a complex ritualized electronic filing process in the corrupt manner of U.S. District Courts and further did not demand any filing fee, whatsoever, thereby illustrating, by example, that the U.S. Court system maintains an unnecessary and corrupt Court Case filing system that discriminates against Pro Se litigants, which requires they must seek permission from a U.S. District judge to file a case electronically at lower cost in U.S. District Court than the same does cost an Attorney to file a similar case electronically. U.S. District Court electronic case filing rules discriminate against and disadvantage Pro Se litigants.
. . .When compared to electronic filing process in most other countries and in the U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, ICC, the U.S. District Court electronic filing rules appear corruptly contrived to discriminate against non-Attorney litigants, thereby costing Pro Se litigants filing expenses for paper and mailing costs that do not burden and disadvantage law firms and Attorneys in the U.S.
. #. On or about the date of December 2008, in the county of Harris, in city of Houston, Southern District of Texas, defendant U.S. Attorney Johnson, a U.S. Department of Justice lawyer employee , violated U. S. C. Title 18 § 1512, Tampering With a Witness and violated U. S. C. Title 18 § 1513, Retaliating Against a Witness, said offenses described as follows:
. #. On December 2008, Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie phoned and notified Mitch Neurock, U.S. Attorney's Office, of the following facts and requested Witness / Victim Protection program assistance from the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Kristian Menchaca family as the Kristian Menchaca family had been threatened with death in an eMail sent by terrorists to Plaintiff Ken MacKenzie's eMail address, kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com. Witness / Victim Manager Mitch Neurock said he would submit Plaintiff Menchaca family request to Tim Johnson, a U.S. civil service Attorney employee temporarily appointed by former U.S. Attorney General Mukasey to manage the Houston Office of the U.S. Attorney, presumably until another U.S. Attorney could be appointed by the Obama Administration.
. #1. On or about the last week of December 2008, Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie phoned Mitch Neurock, U.S. Attorney's Office, and Neurock explained that U.S. Department of Justice lawyer employee Tim Johnson refused to provide Witness / Victim Protection program assistance to the Kristian Menchaca family and gave no reason for his refusal. After some discussion, Neurock explained that the Kristian Menchaca family could write to the U.S. Department of Justice in Washington, DC and seek Witness / Victim Protection program from the Washington, DC office.
. #. As above-explained on December 2008, Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie notified Mitch Neurock, U.S. Attorney's Office, of the following facts before Neurock explained on the last week of Dec 2008 that U.S. lawyer employee Tim Johnson refused to provide Witness / Victim Protection program assistance to the Kristian Menchaca family without explaining why or explaining any appeal process.
. #. Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie informed Mitch Neurock, U.S. Attorney's Office, that MacKenzie was the Uncle of U.S. Army PFC Kristian Menchaca. After PFC Kristian Menchaca's Army leave time-period expired in the USA, May 2006, PFC Kristian Menchaca returned to Iraq in June 2006 and was eventually captured together with PFC Thomas Tucker by al Shura Nuclear Jihad Terrorists who barbarically tortured both to death from 16 Jun to 19 Jun 2006.
. #. On February 2008, Plaintiffs Kristian Menchaca family including MacKenzie as member, filed a wrongful death War Crime Claim (Formatted on a U.S. Claim Form 95 ) with the U.S. Attorney General in Washington, DC, and filed said documents with U.S. Attorney DeGabriel in Houston, Texas, which incorporated U.S. District Court Case H-08-60 (Houston), set forth in its entirety within said U.S. Claim Form 95. U.S. Attorney DeGabriel phoned Kenneth MacKenzie and explained he had forwarded said Claim and Lawsuit Court Case H-08-60 (Houston) to the appropriate persons in Washington for their decision.
. #. Plaintiff MacKenzie additionally filed on behalf of himself and the Kristian Menchaca family, said War Crime Lawsuit Complaint Case H-08-60 in United States District Court, Houston, Southern District of Texas, as Miscellaneous Case H-08-60 ,naming al Qaida and al Shura Nuclear Jihad terrorists as Interested Parties.
. #. During february 2008, Plaintiff served Miscellaneous Case H-08-60 on both U.S. Attorney General Mukasey and on the U.S. Attorney's Office in Houston by MacKenzie's created Electronic eMail filing and filed notification numerous times at their several eMail addresses as U.S. Attorney General Mukasey and on Houston U.S. Attorney's Office had corruptly refused to provide to MacKenzie a formal eMail Web site that functioned for purposes of court “BLESSED” filing enablement.
. #. On 20 Jul 2008 Plaintiff MacKenzie received the following cited death threat by eMail at his eMail Address, kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com, on his computer, located in his home, 2314 Gentry, Houston, Texas 77009.
. #. Plaintiff MacKenzie forwarded following said 20 Jul 2008 Death Threat in its entirety by eMail to the Houston office of FBI, a portion of which is quoted as follows:
“. . .SOMEONE YOU CALL YOUR FRIEND, WANTS YOU DEAD.
I felt very sorry and bad for you, that your life is going to end like this if
you don't comply, i was paid to eliminate you and I have to do it  within
10 days. . .. . .And the person have spent a lot of money on this, the person
also came to us and told us that he wants you dead and he provided us your
names, photograph and other necessary information we needed about you.
Meanwhile, I have sent my boys to track you down and they have carried
out the necessary investigation needed for the operation. . .
. . . Right now my men are monitoring you, their eyes are on you. . .
. . .Warning: do not think of contacting the police or even tell anyone because I
will extend it to any member of your family since you are aware that somebody
want you dead, and the person knows some members of your family as well.
(deathandlife@biz.by)  Mr .John Itali. [End Quote]
. #. . . . . 1. Plaintiffs, The Kristian Menchaca Family, request this U.S. Court to issue a Protective Order regarding their safety related to their litigation of U.S. CLAIM and Court Case H-08-60, Houston, Texas. This document also provides information of “USC Title 18 Crime Complaint” against certain members of the former “Bush administration ” appointed U.S. Justice Department, specifically against former U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey, specifically against acting U.S. Attorney General Mark Filip (previously appointed 20 Jan 2009), and specifically against U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson (currently), all who perpetrated and, through U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson , continue to perpetrate “USC Title 18 §1512 Crime Tampering” and “USC Title 18 §1513 Crime Retaliation” (Title 18 §1512 and “USC Title 18 §1513 provide 'Extra-territorial jurisdiction' in foreign courts) against Kristian Menchaca Family Plaintiffs, the family of War Crime victimized PFC Kristian Menchaca who was barbarically tortured to death in Iraq, 2006.
. . . #. . Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie explains that he does not possess any special “nuclear Crime' information that is not already being debated by Nuclear scientists on the Internet. With the exception of Christian Menchaca's claimed 'Nuclear Crime' information that “hot” Uranium open pit mining tailings were being truck-loaded from Iran into Iraq during 2006, virtually one hundred percent of the 'Nuclear Crime' concerns explained in this War Crime complaint are found published on the Internet by Nuclear scientists, published by various responsible Non Government Organizations
(NGO) and published by government agencies.
. . . Al Qaida Terrorists have several times announced intent to destroy U.S. corporations in Muslim countries. And, Plaintiffs are victims of Terrorist intent and efforts to destroy U.S. corporations in Muslim countries.
. . . PFC Kristian Menchaca (tortured to death, Iraq: 16 through 19 Jun 2006), U.S. Army, was assigned to a U.S. Military operation seeking to locate and nullify Nuclear Weapons of Mass Destruction (“WMD”) in Iraq that might be used in “Nuclear Crimes' against U.S. targets in the U.S., used against U.S. Corporation targets in Europe, and used against U.S. Corporation targets located in the Middle East, Africa, and South America.
. . . While home in Texas, during May 2006, Kristian Menchaca explained to members of his family he was present during U.S. Army interrogation of captured terrorists in Iraq, early 2006; and, said Terrorists explained that they were transporting “hot” Uranium ore tailings from Uranium mines in Iran, by truckload, to Iraq for export out of Iraq to serve purposes of Radiologically 'stealth' attacking & contaminating U.S. & UK Corporations doing business in Middle East countries, and to further serve purposes of Radiologically 'stealth' attacking “privately owned” U.S. & UK Corporations doing business in Europe, in Africa, South America and USA.
. . . . After his Army leave finished in the USA, May 2006, PFC Kristian Menchaca returned to Iraq in June 2006 and was eventually captured together with PFC Thomas Tucker by 'al Shura Nuclear Jihad ' Terrorists who barbarically tortured both to death from 16 Jun to 19 Jun 2006.
. . . . PFC Kristian Menchaca and PFC Thomas Tucker were fighting to stop Nuclear Crime Radiological attack against the United States, and against U.S. Corporation properties in the Middle East and Europe that would have undoubtedly produced catastrophic Radiological attack cross-contamination of land, people, and nearby businesses that become collateral victims of Nuclear Crimes in countries attacked with Radiological “Nuclear Crime” poisons.
. . . . Such a “Nuclear Crime” potential has been hypothetically described of Mecca, Saudi Arabia, wherein the rooms of the American Hilton Hotel in Mecca or other Saudi cities could be Radiologically stealth-contaminated with “Hot” Uranium / Radium ore oxides of radiation counts exceeding 100 mR / hr. exposure rates, more than 50 times the exposure of Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) rules (http://www.nrc.gov/reading-rm.html : rules for a nuclear power plant), which require evacuation at 2 mR /hr. to prevent fatal exposure to Nuclear radioactivity.
All U.S. & UK , by their presence with business property addresses in the Middle East, are antagonizing “Nuclear Crime” Radiological attacks against all U.S. Corporation business holdings inside Muslim countries. Such Radiological attacks in the Middle East could easily lead to “Radiological-Cross-Contamination” of the Holy KAABA and
Currently, all U.S. and UK Corporations, by their presence with business property addresses in the Middle East, are antagonizing “Nuclear Crime” Radiological attacks against all “privately owned” U.S. & UK Corporations doing business in Asia, Japan, Europe, Africa, and South America.
. . . . The Al-Masjid al-H?ar?m Mosque of the Holy KAABA and the Al-Masjid al-Nabawi Mosque of the Prophet in Saudi Arabia are the two most holy places on earth for all of Islam.
. . .If the premises of any American Corporation-owned business or British UK Corporation-owned business in Mecca, or Jeddah, or Medina are radiologically contaminated in a stealth 'Nuclear Crime' attack, then common sense indicates that the two most holiest Mosques on the face of the earth in Saudi Arabia are in jeopardy from each and every “Military-Political” move the United States makes in the Middle East.
. . . Al-Masjid al-H?ar?m Sacred Mosque” as the largest mosque in the world, located in the city of Mecca, surrounding the Kaaba is the place toward which Muslims comprising one fifth the earth's population turn every day while offering daily prayers, as often as five times per day, and is considered the holiest place on Earth by Muslims who comprise one fifth of the earth's population !
. . .Al-Masjid al-Nabawi or the Mosque of the Prophet, located in Medina, is the second holiest site in Islam. It is the location of Muhammad's tomb. Part of the edifice was originally his house; he settled there after his Hijrah (emigration) to Medina, and later built this mosque on the grounds.
. . . The Holy Kaaba could become Radiologically “cross-contaminated” by innocent Muslim pilgrims who have been previously Radiologically contaminated by life-destroying Uranium / Radium particles attached their clothing from exposure inside their Radiologically contaminated American and British Corporation owned hotel rooms.
Unlike Anthrax, deadly Uranium/Radium contamination is virtually impossible to effectively clean-up. A Geiger Counter will always be able to detect some remaining lethal Uranium/Radium contamination particles that may be lethally inhaled at a target site, no matter how often cleaned.
. . . In essence, the reality is that “once a Nuclear Crime' U.S. or UK Corporation target is contaminated, then life-destroying Radiological contamination can spread as in an invisible 'Nuclear-Crime-contamination ripple-effect' that takes place as the life destroying Radiological particles spread outward from the target carried on contaminated clothing by people or by automobiles or wind currents, that are always detectable with Geiger Counter equipment. Thus, a city becomes “Nuclear Crime” contaminated unto the condition of a “Nuclear wasteland”; and, it will remain a wasteland until the Radiological contaminant, Radium 226, decays to safe levels, likely taking sixteen centuries, a very long time.
. . . Should such a 'Nuclear-Crime-contamination ripple-effect' occur in Meccah or Medinah, Saudi Arabia as a consequence of U.S. and UK presence as 'Nuclear Crime' targets in the Middle East, then one fifth of the earth's Muslim population will likely hold the U.S. and UK responsible for the Radiological poisoning of their holiest of all Mosques.
. . . Islam Karimov, the current President of Uzbekistan would be understandably reluctant to rent an airfield to any foreign government that might directly or indirectly lead to or cause Radiological contamination of the Holy KAABA in Mecca or Prophet's Mosque in Medina.
. . . Anyone visiting a Radiological attacked location, commoner and royalty, alike, is a potential victim of inhaling Radium 226 dust particles into his lungs where they cannot be removed. The X-rays of Radium contaminated lungs in Radiologically contaminated victims display thousands of Radium dust / oxide particles like stars glowing in a midnight universe, a picture of certain death a-coming as caused by Radium inhalation, which leads to eye cataracts, bone cancer rot, liver, breast cancer, and other related Cancers that generally kill within a few years or less. Removal of the contaminant is impossible. Worse than anthrax, there is no medical treatment.
. . . SEE U.S. Department of Health : “RADIUM-226 AND 228: “Radium is a known 'cancer-causing substance.' Exposure to radium can lead to eye cataracts, bone, liver and breast cancer.” http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxfaq.html http://www.oasisllc.com/abgx/effects.htm#faq11 Contact: http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/hazcom/ATSDR/Docs/wcd00001/wcd0013c.pdf ; http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts144.html
. . . SEE: http://www.oasisllc.com/abgx/effects.htm#faq11
. . . Also SEE: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service. Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease, Registry. The WWW is http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/toxfaq.html ; Email: ATSDRIC@cdc.gov ; 24/7 Emergency Contact Number: 1-888-295-5156 Revised: 04/2007
. . NUCLEAR PEACE IS MORAL, ETHICAL, AND ACHIEVABLE. :
. . . Terrorists intent to destroy “PRIVATELY OWNED” U.S. and UK business profiteering corporations in Muslim countries can be easily prevented throughout the Middle East and Saudi Arabia by “PRIVATELY OWNED” US Corporations voluntarily selling their “PRIVATELY OWNED” business Corporations and evacuating to maintain Nuclear peace in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia , Europe, South America, and Africa, etcetera.
. . . . Presented with the undeniable fact that Terrorists have announced intent to destroy “privately owned” U.S. & UK Corporations doing business in these Muslim countries, it makes a great deal of good sense for “privately owned” U.S. & UK Corporations to voluntarily sell and change ownership to local Saudi ownership or change “privately owned” U.S. & UK Corporation ownership to other Middle East Investors who could purchase “privately owned” U.S. & UK Corporations that are Nuclear Crime targets in all Muslim Middle East countries, including Saudi Arabia and Indonesia, and thereby remove “privately owned” U.S. & UK Corporations from the “Nuclear Crime” list of targets.
. . # In the interests of maintaining Nuclear peace, the reasonable voluntary divestment and withdrawal of U.S. and British Corporations, who could be “diplomatically divested” out from Middle East countries , with political diplomacy that includes “Nuclear weapon armed terrorists, ” will therefore eliminate the presence of the 'number-one-Nuclear-Crime-target' antagonism in the Middle East , especially in Saudi Arabia, where Western Corporations are despised as immoral and evil “money-profiteering” 'Nuclear-Crime-targets.'
. . . Applied diplomacy and diplomatically structured 'Voluntary divestment and departure' of politically hated Western business corporations should be set into motion by the U.N. to eliminate the worsening Nuclear Crime threats in Middle East countries. that have 'rippled' outward unto 'Nuclear Crime' threats against Europe and the U.S. and other targets of Nuclear-Radiological Jihad Terrorism of the type planned by the 'Dirty Bomb' terrorist, Jose Padilla, arrested but not prosecuted in the U.S. for planned 'Nuclear Crime' Radiological attacks on the United States easily achieved by 'Nuclear Jihad Terrorists' who have access to lethal Radiological ore tailings, highly available in abandoned open pit Uranium mines that register upwards of 100 mRads per hour, fifty times the 2 mRad amount that Nuclear Regulatory Commission, NRC, considers dangerous and mandates evacuation if 2 mRad is present at Nuclear Power plants.
. . . The Bush administration obviously did not want to publicly reveal in a 'Nuclear Crime' trial of Jose Padilla the potentials of Radiological 'Nuclear Crime' warfare due to the fact that innocent “third party' countries would then become aware that they had become Nuclear Crime Targets as a direct consequence of Bush's Middle East wars.
. . . #. . Redundantly and well informed that the Menchaca family faces a larger danger from Terrorists than Sammy “The Bull” Gravano ever faced as retaliation from Mafia, Attorney General Michael Mukasey (previously December 2008; Departed Jan 2009 ) and U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson (currently), perpetrating USC Title 18 Crime “Title 18 Retaliation” and “Title 18 Tampering” against the Kristian Menchaca Family, apparently for having filed suit against them in U.S. Civ. H-08-60 and for having filed Claims with Ministers of Justice in the Middle East regarding the above described “Nuclear Crime issues,” have continued to vehemently deny the Menchaca family the same Victim/Witness protection (requested by Menchaca family Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie) U.S.Department of Justice provided to Sammy “The Bull” Gravano, as of Menchaca family December 2008 and January-February 2009 Communiques requesting Victim Protection. 
. . . .#. Plaintiffs, Kristian Menchaca family, are currently facing Terrorism threats to their lives apparently manipulated by U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson (currently promoting former Attorney General Mukasey's administrative crimes) perpetrating USC Title 18 Crime “Retaliation” against the Menchaca Family for having filed Claims against the U.S. Justice Department in the U.S. and for having filed Claims (SEE: 'Nuclear Crime' Claims filed with Ministers of Justice in the Middle East); and, acting Bush administration functionary U.S. Attorney Johnson has continued to apply Bush administration politics to vehemently deny the Menchaca family the same Victim/Witness protection provided to Sammy “The Bull” Gravano, as of Menchaca Family-telephoned February 2009 Communiques.
. . . . 4. SEE: TITLE 18 – CRIMES, CHAPTER 73 – OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, § 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant,  § 1513. Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant  (Also see:18 U.S.C., § 1513. Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant; 18 U.S.C., § 4. Misprision of felony ; Title 28 U.S.C. § 1361. Action to compel officer of United States to perform his duty.).
. . 5. Recognizing that the new administration of President Barak Obama has only recently inherited leftover Bush Bureaucrats and nightmarish Radiological War conditions created and maintained by the previous “Culture-of-Torture-Bush-administration,” Plaintiffs preface this yet-to-be-filed update of Plaintiffs' War Crime litigation information as this reads on previously filed legal Claims and Crime Complaints against the former Bush Administration War Criminals, herein, with the explanation that Plaintiffs regard the former Bush administration as 100% responsible for said 'Nuclear Crime' conditions; and, Plaintiffs proceed in the belief that the current administration, once it understands the “wrong-doing complexities” of the former Bush Regime, will abandon U.S. Justice Department support of former Bush Regime Administrative wrong- doing.
. .6 . Plaintiffs' recent commentary, since December 2008, is particularly directed at former Attorney General Michael Mukasey (replaced by acting U.S. Attorney General Mark Filip, then Filip replaced by U.S. Attorney General Erik Holder) and U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson currently employed in Houston, who, on or about the week of 26 December 2008, denied the Kristian Menchaca family's previously phoned and written requests for “Victim Witness protection” from further Terrorist crimes against the Kristian Menchaca family as a consequence of their Crime tort complaints filed with U.S. FBI and filed in U.S. District Court Case H-08-60 and their Crime complaints also filed in U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, ICC, Prosecutor, Case # OTP-CR-100/08, PO Box 19519, 2500 CM, The Hague, The Netherlands, email; otp.informationdesk@icc-cpi.int .
. . .7 . The U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, ICC, Prosecutor, Case # OTP-CR-100/08, has jurisdiction of former Attorney General Michael Mukasey's and U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson's apparent USC Title 18 crime “Retaliation” and crime “Tampering” violations outside Mukasey's and Johnson's “Ministerial and Discretionary scope” criminally inflicted against the Kristian Menchaca family in Tim Johnson's apparent USC Title 18 crime “Retaliation” and crime “Tampering” violations denying them as victims the same protection the U.S. Department of Justice provided to Sammy “The Bull” Gravano, the John Gotti Mafioso who murdered 18 people. Gravano (1) did not lose a beloved member of his family tortured to death by Terrorists at war with the United States, (2) nor did Gravano ever file a U.S. Court Case against Terrorists as have the Menchaca family, who have filed U.S. Court Case H 08-60 naming al Quaida and al Shura Council, who tortured PFC Kristian Menchaca to death alongside PFC Thomas Tucker. (3) Moreover, Gravano never filed lawsuits in foreign jurisdictions naming terrorist groups as perpetrators of War Crimes against U.S. Military personnel as have the Menchaca family. (4) Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie has received at least one “Death Threat” eMail from an unknown party promising that MacKenzie faced death from someone who wanted to kill him.
. . . . 8. Yet, redundantly well informed that the Menchaca family faces a larger danger from Terrorists than Sammy “The Bull” Gravano ever faced as retaliation from Mafia, Attorney General Michael Mukasey (previously) and U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson (currently), perpetrating USC Title 18 Crime “Retaliation” against the Menchaca Family for having filed suit against Mukasey in the U.S. and for having filed suit with Ministers of Justice in the MIddle East, U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson continued to vehemently deny the Menchaca family same Victim/Witness protection provided to Sammy “The Bull” Gravano, as of Menchaca family February 2009 Communiques requesting Victim/Witness protection .
. . . . .. SEE: TITLE 18 – CRIMES, CHAPTER 73 – OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE, § 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant,  and see: TITLE 18 § 1513. Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant  (Also see:18 U.S.C., § 1513. Retaliating against a witness, victim, or an informant; 18 U.S.C., § 4. Misprision of felony ; Title 28 U.S.C. § 1361. Action to compel officer of United States to perform his duty.).
. . .. Several of the Menchaca Family Complainants have removed themselves from the captions of filed litigation of these War Crime matters in the Middle East jurisdictions as a consequence of U.S. Attorney General Mukasey's and U.S. Attorney Tim Johnson's perpetrated USC Title 18 crime “Retaliation” and crime “tampering” against the Kristian Menchaca family since formally denying the Kristian Menchaca family “Witness/Victim” protection from December 2008 forward.
. ..11. Should any leftover Bush-administration supporting bureaucrats or any of the several new Cabinet Secretaries of the New Obama administration continue to maintain the aberrant 'Nuclear Crime' secrecy policies of the former Bush Administration as if acting as Bush's surrogates, Plaintiff will continue to litigate these 'War Crime' lawsuits in the assumption that said leftover Bush-bureaucrats and new Cabinet Secretaries are 'mentally disabled and compromised' and will eventually answer in court for the catastrophic Radiological War Crime truths described in this litigation.
. . . 12. In consideration that Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie has previously served and filed numerous Crime reports of '18 USC Section 1512 Tampering' and 'Section 1513 Retaliation' to the U.S. Department of Justice Attorney General's Office and to FBI against U.S. Attorney General Mukasey and U.S. Attorney General Gonzales, and against U.S. employee Attorney Tim Johnson and in consideration that Plaintiff MacKenzie has reported said U.S. RICO Act Crimes to John Bellinger, legal Counsel for the U.S. State Department, in U.S. government offices, Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie motions that this enclosed Crime information describing (1) Nuclear Crime Claims of United States Case H-08-60, Southern District of Texas, and (2) enclosed Crime information describing related violations of the U.S. RICO Act and (3) enclosed Crime information describing Plaintiffs' filed copies of United States Case H-08-60, Southern District of Texas, Plaintiffs request that said 'Nuclear Crimes' be publicly investigated by state of Texas law enforcement, be publicly investigated by U.S. law enforcement agencies to include FBI, Homeland Security Agency, and BATF; and, Plaintiff MacKenzie requests said Crime reports be provided to these agencies and to the various U.S. and state Grand Juries and courts having jurisdiction of the 'Nuclear Crimes' reported by Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie of the Kristian Menchaca Family and, Crimes reported within U.S. state and federal Jurisdiction.
The Kristian Menchaca Family petitions this Court issue a Protective Order to Protect the Family of Kristian Menchaca.
Complainant’s signature : S/ Kenneth MacKenzie,
Printed name: Kenneth MacKenzie; title: Pro Se, Properia Persona, U.S. Court Case H-08-60 2314 Gentry, Houston, TX 77009;   H. Phone: 713-225-0123 ; Cell : 281 684 6028 ; kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.comkenmackenzie2000@gmail.com  
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Service of Crime Complaint U.S. District Court Case H08-60 & to U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, (ICC, Prosecutor, Case # OTP-CR-100/08, PO Box 19519, 2500 CM, The Hague, The Netherlands, email otp.informationdesk@icc-cpi.int , http://www.icc-cpi.int/home.html&l=en):
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 UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT, SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF  TEXAS, 515 Rusk Ave., Houston, Texas 77002, Phone: 713.250.5500 {Judge: Gray Miller}
{Civil Case (H)4:08-MC-60 filed 22Feb2008, Case Mgr. Stephanie Byrum} .
. . .(1) Kenneth MacKenzie; (2) Julieta Vasquez-MacKenzie, Aunt of Kristian (3) Guadalupe Vasquez, Mother of Pfc. Kristian Vasquez Menchaca, (4) Caesar Vasquez Menchaca, brother of Kristian as Plaintiff, family class members similarly situated,  Plaintiffs , appearing Properia Persona in CIVIL ACTION with demand of Jury Trial regarding War Crime torts of (1) The four Geneva Conventions (I,II,III,IV) of 12 August 1949 and Protocols of 1977 for the protection of war victims, (2) USC Title 18, Section 1961, et.seq., RICO Act,
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Submitted by: : . . 1.  Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie, Uncle of PFC Kristian Vasquez Menchaca, H. Phone: 713-225-0123 ; Cell :  281 684 6028 ; kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com , U.S. Court Case H-08-60;
. . 2. WAR CRIME court venue: U.S. War Crime Court Case H-08-60 filed in U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, (ICC, Prosecutor, Case # OTP-CR-100/08, PO Box 19519, 2500 CM, The Hague, The Netherlands, email otp.informationdesk@icc-cpi.int , http://www.icc-cpi.int/home.html&l=en):
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
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515 Rusk Ave., Houston, Texas 77002,
Phone: 713.250.5500 {Judge: Gray Miller}
{Civil Case(H)4:08-MC-60 filed 22Feb2008, Case Mgr. Stephanie Byrum} .
. . .(1) Kenneth MacKenzie, (2) Julieta Vasquez-MacKenzie, (3) Guadalupe Vasquez, Mother of Pfc. Kristian Vasquez Menchaca,4) Caesar Vasquez Menchaca, PLAINTIFFS, of War Crimes, (1) Geneva Conventions (I,II,III,IV), et. seq., in CIVIL ACTION
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CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE (X Via ECF)

. . U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, ICC, Case OTP-CR-100/08, Hague , The Netherlands. 
 . . . . .  To: President of The United States and Counsel to President of the United States Fax: 202- 456-2883; Phn: 202 456-2632
. . . . .  To: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Lee Caplan & John B. Bellinger III, Office of Legal Adviser, U.S. Department of State, (202) 647-0748; caplanlm@state.gov; Kimberly A. Gahan, Attorney-Adviser, International Claims & Investment Disputes Office of the Legal Adviser, U.S. Department of State, tel: (202) 776-8431; email: gahanka@state.gov
Defense Attaché Office, US Embassy, 24 Grosvenor Square, London W1A 1AE ;  Phone:[44] (0) 20 7894-0723; Fax:[44] (0) 20 7499-7688 ; Email: DAOLondon@state.gov  ; Cynthia.smith@osd.mil
. . . . . TO:  United States Attorney General Erik Holder, U.S. Department of Justice, 10th and Constitution Ave., N.W., Washington, DC 2053 ;US Attorney General, 950 Pennsylvania Ave NW, Washington, DC – (202) 353-1555 , Criminal.Division@usdoj.gov , USANYS.SDNYWebmaster@usdoj.gov , thom.mrozek@usdoj.gov , AskDOJ@usdoj.gov ,  usatty.txs@usdoj.gov
. . . . . TO: United States Attorney Attorney General Mukasey, Care Of: UNITED STATES ATTORNEY’S OFFICE, Tim Johnson, Houston, P.O. Box 61129, Houston, TX 77208; 8-5 M-F: (713) 718-3310; U.S. Atty. (713) 567-9000   FBI 713-693-5000 ; clinton.library@nara.gov , info@clintonfoundation.org ,  Criminal.Division@usdoj.gov , USANYS.SDNYWebmaster@usdoj.gov , thom.mrozek@usdoj.gov , AskDOJ@usdoj.gov ,  usatty.txs@usdoj.gov ,Carmen.reyes@usdoj.gov ,   houston.texas@ic.fbi.gov ,  comments@whitehouse.gov , Cynthia.smith@osd.mil, securitythreats@dhs.gov, comments@whitehouse.gov ; securitythreats@dhs.gov, mdwatch@leo.gov , baltimore@ic.fbi.gov  ,  gahanka@state.gov, caplanlm@state.gov , torts@state.gov, hatamj@state.gov , DAOLondon@state.gov , socr_direct@state.gov , kearneydp@state.govvice_president@whitehouse.govbenedictxvi@vatican.va , deaconbobby@saintaugustine-dc.org , deaconkelly@saintaugustine-dc.org ,parishoffice@saintaugustine-dc.org , info@clintonfoundation.org , mayor@london.gov.uk 
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Complainant’s signature : S/ Kenneth MacKenzie,
Printed name: Kenneth MacKenzie; title: Pro Se, Properia Persona, U.S. Court Case H-08-60 2314 Gentry, Houston, TX 77009;   H. Phone: 713-225-0123 ; Cell : 281 684 6028 ; kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.comkenmackenzie2000@gmail.com  
Sworn to before me and signed in my presence.
Date:
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No.08-9595
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
 
(1) Kenneth MacKenzie, appearing Properia Persona as Plaintiff “Pro Se” 
 appearing on his own behalf with family class members similarly situated, 
(2) Julieta Vasquez-MacKenzie, as Plaintiff, Aunt of Pfc. Kristian Vasquez Menchaca
(sister of Claimant Guadalupe Vasquez), (3) Guadalupe Vasquez, as Plaintiff, Mother
of Pfc. Kristian Vasquez Menchaca, Mother of (4) Caesar Vasquez Menchaca, as
Plaintiff, Brother of Pfc. Kristian Vasquez Menchaca, family class members similarly
situated     — PETITIONERS
     Class Action regarding:
(1) The four Geneva Conventions (I,II,III,IV)
of 12 August 1949 for the protection of war victims
Vs
Defendant #1, U.S. Justice Department, United States Executive Branch Of Government,
Alberto Gonzales, Attorney General of the United States — RESPONDENT(S)
PROOF OF SERVICE
I, Kenneth MacKenzie, do swear or declare that on this date, 02 MAY 2009, as required by
Supreme Court Rule 29 I have served the enclosed U.S. Supreme Court Rule
15: PLAINTIFFS' SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEF on each party to the above proceeding
or that party’s counsel, and on every other person required to be served, by depositing
an envelope containing the above documents in the United States mail properly addressed
to each of them and with first-class postage prepaid, or by delivery to a third-party
commercial carrier for delivery within 3 calendar days.
The names and addresses of those served are as follows: U.S. Justice Department, United
States Executive Branch Of Government, Alberto Gonzales, former Attorney General of the United States; Erik Holder, Attorney General of the United States, UNITED STATES ATTORNEY’S OFFICE: Houston/Galveston Division:  Mail: P.O. Box 61129 , Houston, TX 77208;
TO: Solicitor General Elena Kagan,  Office of the Solicitor General, Care Of Neal Katyal,  Room 5614, Department of Justice, 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N. W., Washington, DC 20530-0001 Phone: 202-514-2217/18 hours 9:00 am to 5:30 pm, M-F  202-514-2203 supremectbriefs@usdoj.gov ; Criminal.Division@usdoj.gov , AskDOJ@usdoj.gov ,  usatty.txs@usdoj.gov ,Carmen.reyes@usdoj.gov ,  
. . . . .  To: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Lee Caplan & John B. Bellinger III, Office of Legal Adviser, U.S. Department of State, Washington, DC 20520 , (202) 647-0748; caplanlm@state.gov; Kimberly A. Gahan, Attorney-Adviser, International Claims & Investment Disputes Office of the Legal Adviser, U.S. Department of State, Washington, DC 20520 , tel: (202) 776-8431; email: gahanka@state.gov ; Cynthia.smith@osd.mil, securitythreats@dhs.gov, mdwatch@leo.gov , baltimore@ic.fbi.gov  ,  caplanlm@state.gov , torts@state.gov, hatamj@state.gov , DAOLondon@state.gov , kearneydp@state.gov
. . . . .  To: U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, (ICC, Prosecutor, Case # OTP-CR-100/08, PO Box 19519, 2500 CM, The Hague, The Netherlands, otp.informationdesk@icc-cpi.int , ( http://www.icc-cpi.int/home.html&l=en)
TO:  MAJ Oliver F. Mintz, Chief, Assistance and Investigations Branch, Office of the Inspector General, Texas Military Forces, Office:  512-782-5231; Mil Cell:  512-963-4318 ;oliver.mintz@us.army.mil
I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
Executed on , 02 MAY 2009,
(Signature)   S/  Kenneth MacKenzie
Printed name: Kenneth MacKenzie
Address: 2314 Gentry St., Houston, Texas 77009, Phone: 713 225 0123
(Signature)
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No.08-9595
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
(1) Kenneth MacKenzie, appearing Properia Persona as Plaintiff “Pro Se” 
 appearing on his own behalf with family class members similarly situated, 
(2) Julieta Vasquez-MacKenzie, as Plaintiff, Aunt of Pfc. Kristian Vasquez Menchaca
(sister of Claimant Guadalupe Vasquez), (3) Guadalupe Vasquez, as Plaintiff, Mother
of Pfc. Kristian Vasquez Menchaca, Mother of (4) Caesar Vasquez Menchaca, as
Plaintiff, Brother of Pfc. Kristian Vasquez Menchaca, family class members similarly
situated     — PETITIONERS 

     Class Action regarding:
(1) The four Geneva Conventions (I,II,III,IV)
of 12 August 1949 for the protection of war victims
VS
Defendant #1, U.S. Justice Department, United States Executive Branch Of Government,
Alberto Gonzales, Attorney General of the United States — RESPONDENT(S)
PROOF OF SERVICE
I, Kenneth MacKenzie, do swear or declare that on this 02 MAY 2009, as required by Supreme Court Rule 29 I have served the enclosed U.S. Supreme Court Rule 15: PLAINTIFFS' SUPPLEMENTAL BRIEF on each party to the above proceeding
or that party’s counsel, and on every other person required to be served, by depositing
an envelope containing the above documents in the United States mail properly addressed
to each of them and with first-class postage prepaid, or by delivery to a third-party
commercial carrier for delivery within 3 calendar days.
The names and addresses of those served are as follows: U.S. Justice Department, United States Executive Branch Of Government, Alberto Gonzales, former Attorney General of the United States; Erik Holder, Attorney General of the United States, Department of Justice, 10th and Constitution Ave., N.W., Washington, DC 20530;
TO: Solicitor General Elena Kagan,  Office of the Solicitor General, Care Of Neal Katyal,  Room 5614, Department of Justice, 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N. W., Washington, DC 20530-0001 Phone: 202-514-2217/18 hours 9:00 am to 5:30 pm, M-F  202-514-2203 supremectbriefs@usdoj.gov  ,
. . . . .  To: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Lee Caplan & John B. Bellinger III, Office of Legal Adviser, U.S. Department of State, Washington, DC 20520 , (202) 647-0748; caplanlm@state.gov; Kimberly A. Gahan, Attorney-Adviser, International Claims & Investment Disputes Office of the Legal Adviser, U.S. Department of State, Washington, DC 20520 , tel: (202) 776-8431; email: gahanka@state.gov ; Criminal.Division@usdoj.gov , AskDOJ@usdoj.gov ,  usatty.txs@usdoj.gov ,Carmen.reyes@usdoj.gov ,   Cynthia.smith@osd.mil, securitythreats@dhs.gov, mdwatch@leo.gov , baltimore@ic.fbi.gov  ,  caplanlm@state.gov , torts@state.gov, hatamj@state.gov , DAOLondon@state.gov , kearneydp@state.gov
. . . . .  To: U.N. INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT, (ICC, Prosecutor, Case # OTP-CR-100/08, PO Box 19519, 2500 CM, The Hague, The Netherlands, otp.informationdesk@icc-cpi.int , ( http://www.icc-cpi.int/home.html&l=en)
TO:  MAJ Oliver F. Mintz, Chief, Assistance and Investigations Branch, Office of the Inspector General, Texas Military Forces, Office:  512-782-5231; Mil Cell:  512-963-4318 ; oliver.mintz@us.army.mil
 
I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
Executed on , 02 MAY 2009,
(Signature)   S/  Kenneth MacKenzie
Printed name: Kenneth MacKenzie
Address: 2314 Gentry St., Houston, Texas 77009, Phone: 713 225 0123
 
Certificate of Service
IN THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

. . I hereby certify that the above and foregoing instrument was electronically served upon Defendants and Interested Parties and their counsel at their Web site electronic eMail addresses in the above entitled and numbered cause by Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie, Attorney Pro SE, Uncle of PFC Kristian Vasquez Menchaca, H. Phone: 713-225-0123 ; Cell : 281 684 6028; kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com , kenmackenzie2000@att.net , U.S. Court Case H-08-60;
. . . KENNETH MACKENZIE, the undersigned, further certifies that he has served the U.S. Attorney and U.S. Attorney General numerous times at their Web site Electronic Mail addresses, served them at U.S. White House Electronic Mail Addresses, at the Department of Defense Electronic Mail addresses:: caplanlm@state.gov , torts@state.gov, hatamj@state.gov , DAOLondon@state.gov , socr_direct@state.gov , Cynthia.smith@osd.mil, kearneydp@state.gov,  
S/ Kenneth MacKenzie, Attorney Properia Persona (in his own person
I declare under penalty of perjury that the foregoing is true and correct.
Executed on , 02 MAY 2009,
(Signature)   S/  Kenneth MacKenzie
Printed name: Kenneth MacKenzie
Address: 2314 Gentry St., Houston, Texas 77009, Phone: 713 225 0123


peaceword
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 7:22 am

FROM: Kenneth MacKenzie, 2314 Gentry St., Houston, Texas 77009; Phone: 832 693 1523, Kristian Claim, 11 Jan 2008, LAWSUIT USDC filing ; kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com , kennymackenzie@comcast.net ;

TO: Office of Governor Ted Strickland, Care of Kimberly Cocroft, Deputy Legal Counsel, 77 South High Street, 30th Floor, Columbus, Ohio  43215-6108; Telephone: (614) 644-0836 ; Kimberly.Cocroft@governor.ohio.gov ; Ohio Attorney General Marc Dann , mdann@ag.state.oh.us ;  nmiller@ag.state.oh.us ; 614-466-4320 , State Office Tower, 30 E. Broad Street, 17th Floor; Columbus, OH 43215-3428; (614) 466-4320; GOV HOT LINE: 614 466 3555 ; Ohio State Military Veterans: 1 866 444 3577 ; U.S. Dept. Justice: 888 848 5306
 
Dear Governor Strickland, care of Kim Cocroft, legal counsel:
This document directed to your attention is a Complaint that cites a series of Ohio state felony crimes.
. . .I request that this crime information document and related U.S. Court documents be submitted to a duly assembled Ohio state Grand Jury to provide them opportunity to consider my complaint of Ohio state-crime information that reads on my enclosed complaint currently submitted to U.S. court, Houston, Case MC-08-060.
The essence of my U.S. court Case MC-08-060 is that former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales perpetrated War Crimes against terrorist captured United States troops after they were captured by premeditatedly offering life devalued “$50,000 Death Sentence “Rewards’” that violated the Geneva Conventions of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977 as explained in MC-08-060, thereby directly motivating Terrorist Captors to murder Sgt. Keith Maupin, a citizen of Ohio in their custody, during April 2004. The Terrorist photographs of Maupin’s murder were provided by terrorists in a video sent to Al Jazeera News in the Middle East. While the terrorists claim the photos in their video are of Keith Maupin being murdered, the U.S. Army says they are of such poor quality that he cannot be identified and have declared him to be “officially” listed as “Missing In Action.”
Former Attorney General Gonzales and current U.S. Attorney General Mukasey administrate and operate a U.S. Reward system that is designed to illustrate that terrorist-captured U.S. Soldiers are of low-life value that the U.S. will not negotiate to pay “RANSOM” to terrorists over their release. However “REWARDS” are not “RANSOM” and are not paid to Terrorists for release of terrorist-captured U.S. Soldiers. “REWARDS” aqre paid to non-Terrorist Informants who reveal intelligence information as to the whereabouts of terrorist-captured U.S. soldiers or reveal information as to the whereabouts of “at-large” terrorists or of Sunni terrorists who have been captured by Shiite Moslems or Kurds and the Attorney General has paid more than $77 million to such informants but deliberately denies U.S. Soldiers the same opportunity to be life-saved by rewards equal to those rewards he pays to save lives of Terrorists.
The govt. of Ohio should be investigating the current U.S. Reward system as it is wrongfully, and criminally operated against terrorist captured U.S. soldiers. Keith Maupin likely enlisted in the U.S. Army in a Batavia, Ohio shopping mall on Ohio state soil. This fact, alone, among others gives Ohio jurisdiction to lawfully investigate and pursue these matters.
Regarding the Sheriff and District Attorney of Claremont County and the Ohio State Attorney General, thus far, I have witnessed wrongful concealment and suppression of my crime reports and evasiveness. Gov Strickland has been essentially not very responsive, except to receive my complaints by email without any commentary.
Nonfeasance and “doing-of-nothing” has a structure. It has a frame work that can be deconstructed nail by nail, “piece-by-piece.” The Genesis of the war crimes against Sgt Keith Maupin started in the state of Ohio, where he enlisted in the U.S. Army on Ohio soil.
My time constraints do not allow me to pursue this complaint further in this letter as my time will be consumed by submitting my U.S. court Case MC-08-060, today, as a “War Crime” complaint to the Procurator’s Office at the International Criminal Court Office of the Prosecutor, Post Office Box 19519, 2500 CM The Hague, The Netherlands email otp.informationdesk@icc-cpi.int , facsimile +31 70 515 8555.
The provisions of Ohio state laws that apply to the Sheriff & District Attorney of Clermont County and to the Ohio Attorney General are listed below. I will give you more specifics, later. Although, at this point there is more than sufficient information for these parties to submit for prosecution to an Ohio state Grand Jury and to a federal Grand jury in Ohio. Why is this crime information being blocked and concealed from the perview, scope, view, and jurisdiction of state and federal Grand Juries in the state of Ohio?
At the moment, I am witnessing Ohio violations 2921.22 Failure to report a crime or knowledge of a death or burn injury and 2921.32 Obstructing justice in the behavior of the Sheriff & District Attorney of Clermont County and the Ohio Attorney General regarding these crime issues. If I do not observe any effort on the part of these persons to submit crime information to the mentioned grand Juries within a reasonable time, I will commence vigorous litigation on these issues and responsible parties in essentially the same manner I am litigating crime complaints against former U.s. Attorney General Gonzales.
Sincerely,
Kenneth MacKenzie

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Ohio state code:
CHAPTER 2901: GENERAL PROVISIONS
2901.01 General provisions definitions.
(A)(1)(9)…(d) A conspiracy or attempt to commit, or complicity in committing, any offense under division (A)(9)(a), (b), or (c) of this section.
CHAPTER 2903: HOMICIDE AND ASSAULT
2903.01 Aggravated murder.
(A) No person shall purposely, and with prior calculation and design, cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another’s pregnancy.
(B) No person shall purposely cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another’s pregnancy while committing or attempting to commit, or while fleeing immediately after committing or attempting to commit, kidnapping, rape, aggravated arson, arson, aggravated robbery, robbery, aggravated burglary, burglary, terrorism, or escape.
(C) No person shall purposely cause the death of another who is under thirteen years of age at the time of the commission of the offense.
(D) No person who is under detention as a result of having been found guilty of or having pleaded guilty to a felony or who breaks that detention shall purposely cause the death of another.
(E) No person shall purposely cause the death of a law enforcement officer whom the offender knows or has reasonable cause to know is a law enforcement officer when either of the following applies:
(1) The victim, at the time of the commission of the offense, is engaged in the victim’s duties.
(2) It is the offender’s specific purpose to kill a law enforcement officer.
(F) Whoever violates this section is guilty of aggravated murder, and shall be punished as provided in section 2929.02 of the Revised Code.
(G) As used in this section:
(1) “Detention” has the same meaning as in section 2921.01 of the Revised Code.
(2) “Law enforcement officer” has the same meaning as in section 2911.01 of the Revised Code.
Effective Date: 05-15-2002
2903.02 Murder.
(A) No person shall purposely cause the death of another or the unlawful termination of another’s pregnancy.
(B) No person shall cause the death of another as a proximate result of the offender’s committing or attempting to commit an offense of violence that is a felony of the first or second degree and that is not a violation of section 2903.03 or 2903.04 of the Revised Code.
(C) Division (B) of this section does not apply to an offense that becomes a felony of the first or second degree only if the offender previously has been convicted of that offense or another specified offense.
(D) Whoever violates this section is guilty of murder, and shall be punished as provided in section 2929.02 of the Revised Code.
Effective Date: 06-30-1998
CHAPTER 2921: OFFENSES AGAINST JUSTICE AND PUBLIC ADMINISTRATION
2921.01 Offenses against justice and public administration general definitions.
2921.22 Failure to report a crime or knowledge of a death or burn injury.
(A) No person, knowing that a felony has been or is being committed, shall knowingly fail to report such information to law enforcement authorities.
 2921.32 Obstructing justice.
(A) No person, with purpose to hinder the discovery, apprehension, prosecution, conviction, or punishment of another for crime or to assist another to benefit from the commission of a crime, and no person, with purpose to hinder the discovery, apprehension, prosecution, adjudication as a delinquent child, or disposition of a child for an act that if committed by an adult would be a crime or to assist a child to benefit from the commission of an act that if committed by an adult would be a crime, shall do any of the following:
(1) Harbor or conceal the other person or child;
(2) Provide the other person or child with money, transportation, a weapon, a disguise, or other means of avoiding discovery or apprehension;
(3) Warn the other person or child of impending discovery or apprehension;
(4) Destroy or conceal physical evidence of the crime or act, or induce any person to withhold testimony or information or to elude legal process summoning the person to testify or supply evidence;
(5) Communicate false information to any person;
(6) Prevent or obstruct any person, by means of force, intimidation, or deception, from performing any act to aid in the discovery, apprehension, or prosecution of the other person or child.
(B) A person may be prosecuted for, and may be convicted of or adjudicated a delinquent child for committing, a violation of division (A) of this section regardless of whether the person or child aided ultimately is apprehended for, is charged with, is convicted of, pleads guilty to, or is adjudicated a delinquent child for committing the crime or act the person or child aided committed. The crime or act the person or child aided committed shall be used under division (C) of this section in determining the penalty for the violation of division (A) of this section, regardless of whether the person or child aided ultimately is apprehended for, is charged with, is convicted of, pleads guilty to, or is adjudicated a delinquent child for committing the crime or act the person or child aided committed.
(C)(1) Whoever violates this section is guilty of obstructing justice.
(2) If the crime committed by the person aided is a misdemeanor or if the act committed by the child aided would be a misdemeanor if committed by an adult, obstructing justice is a misdemeanor of the same degree as the crime committed by the person aided or a misdemeanor of the same degree that the act committed by the child aided would be if committed by an adult.
(3) Except as otherwise provided in divisions (C)(4) and (5) of this section, if the crime committed by the person aided is a felony or if the act committed by the child aided would be a felony if committed by an adult, obstructing justice is a felony of the fifth degree.
(4) If the crime committed by the person aided is aggravated murder, murder, or a felony of the first or second degree or if the act committed by the child aided would be one of those offenses if committed by an adult and if the offender knows or has reason to believe that the crime committed by the person aided is one of those offenses or that the act committed by the child aided would be one of those offenses if committed by an adult, obstructing justice is a felony of the third degree.
(5) If the crime or act committed by the person or child aided is an act of terrorism, obstructing justice is one of the following:
(a) Except as provided in division (C)(5)(b) of this section, a felony of the second degree;
(b) If the act of terrorism resulted in the death of a person who was not a participant in the act of terrorism, a felony of the first degree.
(D) As used in this section:
(1) “Adult” and “child” have the same meanings as in section 2151.011 of the Revised Code.
(2) “Delinquent child” has the same meaning as in section 2152.02 of the Revised Code.
(3) “Act of terrorism” has the same meaning as in section 2909.21 of the Revised Code.
Effective Date: 05-15-2002
2921.31 Obstructing official business.
(A) No person, without privilege to do so and with purpose to prevent, obstruct, or delay the performance by a public official of any authorized act within the public official’s official capacity, shall do any act that hampers or impedes a public official in the performance of the public official’s lawful duties.
(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of obstructing official business. Except as otherwise provided in this division, obstructing official business is a misdemeanor of the second degree. If a violation of this section creates a risk of physical harm to any person, obstructing official business is a felony of the fifth degree.
2921.421 Prosecuting attorney, elected chief legal officer, or township law director appointment of assistants or employees.
(A) As used in this section:
(1) “Chief legal officer” has the same meaning as in section 733.621 of the Revised Code.
Effective Date: 08-23-1995
2921.44 Dereliction of duty.
(A) No law enforcement officer shall negligently do any of the following:
(1) Fail to serve a lawful warrant without delay;
(2) Fail to prevent or halt the commission of an offense or to apprehend an offender, when it is in the law enforcement officer’s power to do so alone or with available assistance.
(B) No law enforcement, ministerial, or judicial officer shall negligently fail to perform a lawful duty in a criminal case or proceeding.
(C) No officer, having charge of a detention facility, shall negligently do any of the following:
(1) Allow the detention facility to become littered or unsanitary;
(2) Fail to provide persons confined in the detention facility with adequate food, clothing, bedding, shelter, and medical attention;
(3) Fail to control an unruly prisoner, or to prevent intimidation of or physical harm to a prisoner by another;
(4) Allow a prisoner to escape;
(5) Fail to observe any lawful and reasonable regulation for the management of the detention facility.
(D) No public official of the state shall recklessly create a deficiency, incur a liability, or expend a greater sum than is appropriated by the general assembly for the use in any one year of the department, agency, or institution of the state with which the public official is connected.
(E) No public servant shall recklessly fail to perform a duty expressly imposed by law with respect to the public servant’s office, or recklessly do any act expressly forbidden by law with respect to the public servant’s office.
(F) Whoever violates this section is guilty of dereliction of duty, a misdemeanor of the second degree.
(G) As used in this section, “public servant” includes an officer or employee of a contractor as defined in section 9.08 of the Revised Code.
Effective Date: 06-08-2000
2921.45 Interfering with civil rights.
(A) No public servant, under color of his office, employment, or authority, shall knowingly deprive, or conspire or attempt to deprive any person of a constitutional or statutory right.
(B) Whoever violates this section is guilty of interfering with civil rights, a misdemeanor of the first degree.
Effective Date: 01-01-1974


peaceword
Comment posted July 11, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
for the Southern District of Texas
515 Rusk Ave., Houston, Texas 77002, Phone: 713.250.5500

United States of America }
v.                                   }        Case No. H-08-60
Gray Miller, Defendant  }         Judge Gray Miller (Defendant Gray Miller)
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . CRIMINAL COMPLAINT #2
. . .I, Kenneth MacKenzie, the complainant in this case, state that the following is true to the best of my knowledge and belief. On or about the date of February 2008 in the county of Harris in city of Houston, the Southern District of Texas, the defendant violated offenses described as follows:
. . . Defendant Gray Miller acting outside his ministerial and descretionary scope having usurped jurisdiction of a court case in conflict of interest and in violation of 28 USC, Section 455, taking wrongful jurisdiction not his to take, violated (1) The four Geneva Conventions (I,II,III,IV) of 12 August 1949 for the protection of war victims. SEE: http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/genevaconventions ;
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/gene… ; http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/geneva03.htm ; http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/lawofwar/geneva07.htm ; violated
(2) Protocol I and II Additional to the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, and relating to Protection of Victims of International Armed Conflicts (Also SEE: Protocol I, 
Article 11 – Protection of persons, 8 June 1977. See: Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/genevaconventions ; SEE:http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/htmlall/genevaconventions ; http://www.icrc.org/Web/; . . . Defendant Gray Miller violated TITLE 18 – CRIMES, CHAPTER 73 – OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE;  Defendant Gray Miller violated Title 18 USC, § 1512. Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant. . . ” . . .There is extraterritorial Federal jurisdiction over an offense under this section.” (http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search… ; Title 18 USC § 1512. Defendant Gray Miller, in violation, Tampered with captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty; Defendant Gray Miller violated 18 USC;  TITLE 18 § 1513 – Defendant Gray Miller Retaliated against a witness, victim, or an informant. ” . . .There is extraterritorial Federal jurisdiction over an offense under this section.”   http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/… ; “Title 18 USC § 1513 Defendant Gray Miller Retaliated against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty); Defendant Gray Miller violated 18 U.S.C., § 4. Misprision of felonies against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, in the mutilation-torture-murders of Pvt Kristian Menchaca (Plaintiffs’ family member), Pvt Thomas Tucker, and Pvt Joseph Anziak, Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty; Defendant Gray Miller violated Title 18 USC, Sec. 2382 – MISPRISION OF TREASON (18 U.S.C., § 2382 MISPRISION OF TREASON perpetrated to a math certainty by former U.S. Attorney General Gonzales in manipulating his own designed $50,000 Death Rewards against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, meanwhile posting life-saving Mega Million dollar rewards for al Qaida and al Shura Terrorists while said Terrorists, in violation of Geneva Convention 3, tortured to death U.S. soldier Prisoners of War life-valued by Gonzales at $50,000 while Gonzales denied any reward increases on their lives while Gonzales's Higher life valued Terrorists surrogates tortured said U.S. Prisoners of War to Death in violation of Geneva Convention 3).
Defendant Gray Miller's MISPRISION – In its larger sense, this word is used to signify every considerable misdemeanor, which has not a certain name given to it in the law; and it is said that a misprision is contained in every treason or felony whatever. In its narrower sense it is the concealment of a crime.
Defendant Gray Miller's MISPRISION OF TREASON is the concealment of treason, by being merely passive for if any assistance be given, to the traitor, it makes the party a principal, as there are no accessories in treason. It is the duty of every good citizen, knowing of a treason or felony having been committed to inform a magistrate. Silently to observe the commission of a felony, without using any endeavors to apprehend the offender, is a misprision.
Misprisions which are merely positive, are denominated contempts or high misdemeanors; as, for example, dissuading a witness from giving evidence.
Defendant Gray Miller's MISPRISION OF FELONY – Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the U.S., conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the U.S. 18 USC. Misprision of felony, is the like concealment of felony, without giving any degree of maintenance to the felon for if any aid be given him, the party becomes an accessory after the fact.
Title 28 U.S.C. § 1361. Action to compel officer of United States to perform his duty.
Defendant Gray Miller did not perform his duty while he did nothing while captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty were tortured and murdered from February to July 2008.
. . . . Also see: Koranic Law of Middle East Countries.
This criminal complaint is based on these facts:
. 1.   The information of this issue indicates that captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty were murdered during the time period of 22 Feb 2008 to 08 July 2008, during the same time period that U.S. Judge Miller, outside his ministerial and discretionary scope, did deny Plaintiffs’ efforts to provide $25 Million Dollar Rewards to save the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty — on a Reward life value equal to said  $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars bestowed by the U.S. Executive Branch on Terrorists.
. 2.   SEE: Rewards for Justice, Washington , D.C.20522-0303, 1-800-877-3927; RFJ@state.gov; http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page…
. 3.  This statistic and the dollar difference in Rewards is profound evidence that “$50,000 'Death Sentence' Rewards” are a catastrophic part of mutilation,torture, and murder “War Crimes” motivated against captured U.S. soldier Prisoneers of War in Iraq and in violation of Geneva Convention III of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977.
 . 4.   U.S. Citizens who volunteer for Military Service are not forewarned that if they are captured by Terrorists in Iraq or Afghanistan their own government will betray them and offer rewards for them that are 500 times lower than the U.S. government offers for the very same Mega Million / $25 Million Dollar valued terrorists who will mutilate and torture the same captured U.S. soldier Prisoneers of War reward-valued 500 time less at “$50,000 'Death Sentence' Rewards.” The irony and treachery are astounding and most shocking.
.5. Complaint against U.S. Judge Gray Miller as corruptly acting in Private Persona outside his ministerial and discretionary scope:
 . 6.  .  This “5th Circuit Rule, Judicial Misconduct Complaint” against U.S. Judge Gray Miller (1) describes pre-jurisdiction and pre-decision disqualification conditions that were a matter of record and obvious from the facts available to Judge Gray Miller before he wrongfully acted to expropriate wrongful jurisdiction and then issue a decision in U.S. Case H-08-60 while he was disqualified pursuant to 28 USC, Section 455, in “conflict-of-interest,” while he was “disqualified” outside his ministerial and discretionary scope, by reason of the fact that Miller was a President-GW-Bush nominee / appointee had knowingly taken jurisdiction of Case H-08-60, which listed Bush and several of his Cabinet Secretaries as Interested Parties who were likely to become “Defendants.”
. 7. . Miller possessed obviously available information that Miller was a nominee / appointee of President G.W. Bush to Miller’s position of U.S. District Court Judge.
. 8.  Miller possessed obviously available information from the Caption (See Appendix 1, appended herein) in Plaintiff’s case H-08-60 that President G.W. Bush was named as an “interested Party” in Plaintiff’s case H-08-60.
. 9. Miller possessed obviously available information that Plaintiff’s Case H-08-60 named in the caption former U.S. Attorney General Gonzales (a Bush nominated / appointed U.S. Attorney General) and was informed that Plaintiff’s Case H-08-60 named, in the caption (See Appendix 1, appended herein), a substantial number of Bush nominated / appointed Cabinet Secretaries as “Interested Parties.”
. 10. Miller possessed obviously available information of “USC Title 28, Section 455 – Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge (a) Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.”
. 11.  “The thing speaks for itself” (Res Ips Loquitor) that USC Title 28, Section 455 was clearly applicable or, at least, of question for Miller in Plaintiff’s Case H-08-60.
. 12. “The thing speaks for itself” (Res Ips Loquitor) that Miller did not query the Judicial Council of the Fifth Judicial Circuit to ask an opinion regarding Miller’s plans to commandeer jurisdiction as President Bush’s protégé, nominee / appointee, to  expropriate jurisdiction of Plaintiff’s Case H-08-60 away from other U.S. District Court judges who were “NOT” protégés, nominees, or appointees of President G.W. Bush and were not linked as nominees / appointees of the U.S. Executive Branch Culture of Torture that has provably worked to destroy the lives of captured U.S. soldier prisoners of War. “The thing speaks for itself” (Res Ips Loquitor). 
. 13. Plaintiff’s complaint focuses on several basic areas regarding said unlawfully expropriated decision of Miller to take jurisdiction away from other better qualified U.S. judges despite Miller’s obvious “conflict of interest” disqualification under 28 USC, Section 455, before Miller issued decisions in Case-08-60.
.14. Miller took jurisdiction by snaking around the proscriptions of 28 USC, Section 455 and surreptitiously not notifying Plaintiffs of his identification as a Bush nominee / appointee; and, Miller took jurisdiction by not querying the Judicial Council of the Fifth Judicial Circuit to determine its opinion on Miller’s decision to take jurisdiction when there were numerous valid questions against Miller taking jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 fully informed he was a Bush nominee / appointee and disqualified under Title 28, Section 455 prior to taking jurisdiction.
. 15.  Furthermore, Miller did not take jurisdiction under verification or sworn oath that he was not subject to disqualification under Title 28, Section 455, or under verification or sworn oath that he was not acting outside his ministerial and discretionary scope in conflict as a Bush Nominee / Appointee.
 . 16.  The information of Case H-08-60 explained that part of Plaintiffs’ litigation of Case H-08-60 was seeking and offering rewards of $25 Million (See Appendix 2 and also see http://kristianmenchaca.com/) expected to come from jury verdicts in Case H-08-60 on behalf of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty. In conjunction with information of Case H-08-60, Plaintiffs were offering rewards of $25 Million on the internet (See Appendix 2) linked to litigation of Case H-08-60 in efforts to save the lives of Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty who were facing mutilation, torture, and death in Iraq .
. 17. Miller ignored the plight of Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty when he snaked around the proscriptions of USC Title 28, Section 455 and wrongfully took jurisdiction apparently focused on dismissing Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 against his mentor, Bush, and his mentor’s Attorneys General and Cabinet Secretaries.
. 18.    Miller denied Plaintiffs’ Application To Proceed Without Payment Of Fee in Case H-08-60 on 25 Feb 2008; and, Plaintiffs never received information of Miller’s said denial from the Court Clerk. Miller’s said “Denial” was issued outside his Ministerial and Discretionary scope by reason of the facts indicating he was not qualified to take jurisdiction because he was disqualified pursuant to 28 USC, Section 455 in his “Conflict of Interest.”
. 19.    Miller’s wrongful denial of 25 Feb 2008 thereby had catastrophic consequences for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty –  who Miller ignored when he issued his denial, which had the effect of allowing unchallenged continuance of said U.S. Executive Branch issued “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards,” effectively motivating Terrorists to mutilate, torture, and murder captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in “War Crime” violations of Geneva Convention III of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977 as further explained, herein.
. 20.    Linked to Miller’s Denial and bizarre refusal to address the life and death issues of Case H-08-60 and Miller instead focus on the $450 filing fee marks Miller and reveals his unbalanced state of mind in that he focused on trivia while the lives of three captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War hung in the balance endangered by Miller’s Denial and delays of Case H-08-60.
. 21.   Miller, by taking jurisdiction outside his ministerial and discretionary scope as disqualified under 28 Section 455 and by wrongfully denying Plaintiffs’ life saving efforts of Case H-08-60 on 25 Feb 2008, Miller effectively removed any lawful potential for change in said U.S. Executive Branch issued “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards.”
. 22.   Thus, Miller, disqualified under Title 28, Section 455 and then acting in his Private Persona, issued an unlawful denial in Case H-08-60 which prevented Case H-08-60 from going forward to make life saving efforts on behalf of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez, and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
 . 23.   Disqualified under Title 28, Section 455 and by denying Case H-08-60 to go forward in a timely manner to publich “equal-to-terrorist-$25-Million-reward-conditions” of $25 million dollar Rewards on behalf of the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez, and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, Miller, acting in his Private Persona, did interfere with Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 and prevented “equal-to-terrorist-$25-Million-reward-conditions” from being heard by a jury in a timely manner.
. 24.       As a connected result of Miller’s wrongdoing in making the $450 filing fee a more important focus of Case H-08-60 than the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, while Miller acted outside the ministerial and discretionary scope of U.S. District Court Judge and, instead, acted in his Private Persona as “Gray Miller,” the body of Sgt. Keith Maupin was recovered in Iraq on 30 March 2008, and the bodies of Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty were recovered on 09 July 2008.
. 25.    The fact that Miller acted in the above described manner indicates Miller is unbalanced in his mental abilities to recognize that there is a profound difference between life and death issues compared to the trivia of his emphasis on the $450 filing fee.
 . 26.  In conformance with 5th Cir. R., Plaintiff is not disputing Miller’s wrongful denial of Plaintiffs’ Application To Proceed Without Payment Of Fee in Case H-08-60 even though Miller’s denial should have no standing. Plaintiff MacKenzie is pointing out the obvious conditions that existed before Miller took wrongful jurisdiction and issued his wrongful Denial.
 . 27.   It should be noted that there are four family Plaintiffs listed in Case H-08-60. Julieta Vasquez-MacKenzie the Aunt of Kristian Menchaca is unemployed, without funds, and should have right to proceed under Forma Pauperis, yet was denied by Miller while acting outside his ministerial and descretionary scope disqualified under Title 28 Section 455, then acting in his Private Persona as Gray Miller (not “U.S. Judge Gray Miller”). 
 . 28.   Cesar Menchaca, brother of Kristian Menchaca is unemployed, without funds, and should have right to proceed under Forma Pauperis, yet was denied by Miller while acting outside his ministerial and descretionary scope disqualified under Title 28 Section 455, then acting in his Private Persona as Gray Miller (not “U.S. Judge Gray Miller”).
  . 29.  Maria Guadalupe Vasquez, mother of Christian Menchaca, under employed based on her economic condition, should have right to proceed under Forma Pauperis, yet was denied by Miller while acting outside his ministerial and descretionary scope disqualified under Title 28 Section 455, then acting in his Private Persona as Gray Miller (not “U.S. Judge Gray Miller”).
 .30.   Kenneth MacKenzie was allowed to proceed in U.S. District Court to U.S. Supreme Court twice under his current economic profile in U.S. Supreme Court cases 95-9090 and 97-7616, yet was denied Application To Proceed Without Payment Of Fee in Case H-08-60 in Miller’s denial of 25 Feb 2008, by Miller while acting outside his ministerial and descretionary scope disqualified under Title 28 Section 455, then acting in his Private Persona as Gray Miller (not “U.S. Judge Gray Miller”)..  
. 31. Plaintiffs’ filed Case H-08-60 seeking orders to make rewards equally available to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War; and, Plaintiffs sought damages to be paid by Defendant Gonzales to the Vasquez Menchaca family, while listing several “Interested Parties” including Bush as possible Defendants should investigation indicate they were culpable in the wrongful death of Plaintiffs’ family member, PFC Kristian Vasquez Menchaca, who was captured by Terrorist insurgents, during June 2006, together with PFC Thomas Tucker in Yosifiya, Iraq and both barbarically tortured to death largely as a consequence said discriminatory “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” broadcast by the U.S. government after their surrender / capture (not before surrender / capture).  
. 32.    Plaintiffs’ complaint is that Judge Gray Miller wrongfully took jurisdiction of this Case H-08-60 in disregard of Title 28, Section 455; and, after taking jurisdiction, Miller’s Denial of Plaintiffs’ Application to Proceed Without Payment was made outside Miller’s ministerial and discretionary scope and made in a condition that was a violation of Title 28, Section 455 regarding Case H-08-60.
 . 33.     In retrospect of Miller taking jurisdiction of Case H-08-60, after the facts are considered that former Attorney General Gonzales is listed as a Defendant, President Bush’s name is listed as a “PARTY,” and a large number of Bush Cabinet Secretary appointees are listed as “Interested Parties” in H-08-60, why did Judge Miller not “do what is easy” and simply allow another judge who was not a Bush nominee / appointee take jurisdiction of H-08-60? The obvious answer to the obvious answer is that Miller obviously was obviously motivated by some interest to protect his Mentor, G.W. Bush and his several Cabinet Secretaries from facing the unpleasant prospect of answering for their structured and minipulated U.S. “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” against captured U.S. soldier prisoners of War that targeted them after capture motivating the very same Terrorist groups who were beneficiaries of life saving Mega Million/$25 Million Dollar Rewards to mutilate, torture, and murder “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’…” targeted U.S. soldiers ruthlessly denied “Fourteenth Amendment” equality of Terrorist life saving Mega Million/$25 Million Dollar Rewards that proveably saved the lives of all 100% of Terrorists who surrendered in Iraq, while U.S. “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” ruthlessly targeted and motivated the mutilation, torture, and murder of all 100% of captured U.S. soldier prisoners of War in Iraq, said Mega Million/$25 Million Dollar life Rewards contrasting to “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” and thereby illustrating a relentlessly targeted low life value to captured U.S. soldier prisoners of War in criminal violation of Geneva Conventions and also in criminal violation of the U.S.RICO Act and U.S. Treason Act by encouraging and motivating Terrorist organization enemies of the United States (whose members benefitted after surrender by said Mega Million/$25 Million Dollar Rewards that motivated their Iraqi Sunni and Shiite and Kurdish captors not to mutilate, torture and murder them after capture) to mutilate, torture, and murder all 100% of captured U.S. soldier prisoners of War.
. 34.   From Petitioners’ common sense point of view in this matter, Judge Gray Miller appears to be mentally disabled, or worse, which indicates he may be as mentally disabled as those in the U.S. Executive Branch whose life destroying reward policies he appears to support.   
. 35.   Judge Gray Miller’s decision to take jurisdiction of Plaintiffs’ U.S. District Court Case H-08-60, Houston, after being presented with the Case H-08-60 caption listing former Attorney General Alberto Gonzales as Defendant (Gonzales was a President-G.W.-Bush-appointee, like Miller), after being presented with the Case H-08-60 caption listing as “Interested-Parties,”  members of the U.S. Executive Branch selected by Bush, and after being presented with the Case H-08-60 caption listing President G.W. Bush as an “Interested Party,” President G.W. Bush being the very same party who had nominated Miller to his decision-making position as District Court judge, Miller wrongfully took “conflict-of-interest” jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 when it was flooded with “Interested Parties,” including President Bush, whose presence in Case H-08-60 indicated an “extreme-conflict-of-interest” should Miller take jurisdiction of Case H-08-60.
. 36.   SEE: “USC Title 28, Section 455. Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge
(a) Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.
(b) He shall also disqualify himself in the following circumstances:
(1) Where he has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party, or personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceeding;
. 37.    Miller took jurisdiction informed by the caption in Case H-08-60 of the names of the listed Executive Branch Defendant, Attorney General Gonzales (nominated by Bush), and the Interested Parties, including Miller’s mentor, President G.W. Bush, listed on the caption of Case H-08-60, which jurisdiction was immediately apparent as a “conflict of interest” to Miller due to the fact that Bush had nominated Miller to Miller’s position as District Court judge; and, obviously if Miller took jurisdiction, then Miller could repay Bush’s nomination favor by dismissing Case H-08-60 civil crime tort complaints against Bush and his Executive Branch Attorney Generals and Bush’s Cabinet Secretaries and dismissing Case H-08-60 civil crime tort complaints against Bush, himself, wherein Bush and his Executive Branch Secretaries and Attorneys General could reasonably be named as
Defendants in Case H-08-60 should further facts indicate Bush and his Secretaries ought to be named as Defendants.
  . 39. Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 informed that :
 (1) he was in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona. 
 (2) Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 informed that “USC Title 28, Section 455 applied: “(a) Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned . . .”
  (3) Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 surreptitiously without informing Petitioners he was a Bush nominee / appointee,
 (4) took jurisdiction in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona obviously intent on issuing a denial that would likely operate to also deny “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” in Iraq and Afghanistan any opportunity at equal Life saving $25 Million Rewards that could come from Case H-08-60 and thereby save their lives in the same manner as said $25 Million dollar Rewards were saving the lives of Terrorists who surrendered in Iraq;
 (5) Miller in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acted in his Private Person Persona while ignoring “USC Title 28, Section 455, … ‘(1) Where he has a personal bias or prejudice concerning a party, or personal knowledge of disputed evidentiary facts concerning the proceeding’;
 (6) Before Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60, in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona, he was informed by Case H-08-60 of the following concerns on pages 343 and 344 of Plaintiffs’ primary Geneva Convention & RICO Crime complaints, wherein Plaintiffs’ were seeking damages and Court orders in an effort to save the lives of “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” targeted with U.S. “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” offered in Iraq and Afghanistan, Plaintiffs’ litigation of Case H-08-60 offering rewards of $25 Million expected to come from jury verdicts on behalf of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – and Plaintiffs offering rewards of $25 Million on the internet linked to litigation of Case H-08-60, said Reward Life Values sought by Plaintiffs to come from expected judgements in Case H-08-60 and to come from Reward donations sought by Plaintiffs to be made by the U.S. public to Reward Funds that Plaintiffs sought to establish as connected to Case H-08-60, under jurisdiction of the Court.
 . 40.   SEE: U.S. Case H-08-60 ( Houston, Texas ) ¶ “…488. order that that U.S. Attorney General Mukasey (In Office: 09 Nov 2007)-Rice-Gates be restrained from administratively ‘bad-faith’ manipulating further torture-murders together with terrorist accessories, at large, and all previous reward offers based on said Title 1, “Counterterrorism fund,” Title 18, Title 22, and other U.S. Code Titles on “Rewards” for captured U.S. troops and “Rewards” for captured Terrorists be totaled and future rewards from said fund be offered as a $25 million dollar reward offered for each captured U.S. soldier returned alive into U.S. custody, said $25 million dollar rewards for U.S. Soldiers’ life-value to at least equal for U.S. Soldiers the rate of $25 million dollar rewards currently offered ($77 million previously paid) to save the lives of terrorists.
   . 41.   Apparently, the current U.S. Attorney General Mukasey (09 Nov 2007) , and Secretary Of State Rice intend to continue to administratively ‘bad-faith’ violate the U.S. Treason Act and deny equal life saving rewards allocated from said U.S. `Counterterrorism Fund' reward money provisioned under USC TITLE I, Section 101 and under “TITLE 18, §ection 3071, Section 3072, and 22 U.S.C. Section 2708, money provisioned for the release of Spc. Alex R. Jimenez, 25, of Lawrence, Massachusetts, and  (5) Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, 19, of Waterford, Michigan, captured 12 May 2007, 2007 in Al Taqa, Iraq; and, … intend to stand by to allow Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty to be tortured to death as were 101st Airborne Division soldiers Pfc. Kristian Menchaca, 23, of Houston, Texas, and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker, 25, of Madras, Oregon.  Therefore, it is most urgent that Mukasey (09 Nov 2007) -Rice-Gates be restrained from administratively ‘bad-faith’ manipulating further torture-muders together with terrorist accessories, at large, who have demonstrated they commit war crimes against $50,000 low reward captured U.S. soldiers and violate the Geneva Conventions (I, III, IV), and, Geneva Convention Protocols I and II relative to the treatment of PRISONERS OF WAR.”
 .42.  Therefore, again, more U.S. Soldiers are certain to be tortured, while the current U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey (09 Nov 2007) and Secretary Of State Rice watch, meanwhile withholding previously allocated reward money, already to be paid from said U.S. `Counterterrorism Fund,' reward money provisioned under USC TITLE I, Section 101 and under “TITLE 18, §ection 3071, Section 3072, and ignoring 22 U.S.C. Section 2708 to save the lives of war prisoners Maupin, Jimenez and Fouty…
   . 43. Without signing any oath directly answering Title 28, Section 455, in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona, Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 and issued his denial which somehow never reached Plaintiffs in the mail; and, Miller then did nothing while said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – were murdered, while denied by Bush and Miller the higher $25 million Dollar Rewards that protected the terrorists Bush and Miller protected with said $25 million Dollar Rewards while denying same to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
  .44  While Miller did nothing in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona, the death notifications regarding all three of said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin (body found 30 Mar 2008), Spc. Alex R. Jimenez (body found 09 Jul 2008) and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty (body found 09 Jul 2008) — became published in the news media.
 . 45.   Miller’s said denial in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona on Case H-08-60 and essential denial of immediate jury trial and delays caused by the circumstances of Miller’s behavior essentially maintained the operation of U.S. Executive Branch treasonable “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards,” which previously had been instrumental in the mutilation-torture-murders of Pvt Kristian Menchaca (Plaintiffs’ family member), Pvt Thomas Tucker, and Pvt Joseph Anziak, all who were not informed at enlistment that the U.S. Executive Branch had plans to slander, defame, betray, and otherwise lower their Reward life values 500 times below the lives of Terrorist enemies of the United States during Wartime to such an extent that said treasonable “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” essentially established that the lives of “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” were essentially valued at a level of “TRASH,” at 500 times less than the lives of Terrorist enemies of the United States.
. 46.  Said treasonable “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” that Miller manipulated to “continue-in-progress” was maintained by Miller making the U.S. Court filing fee more important than higher life saving $25 Million Rewards for captured US soldier Prisoners Of War, thereby in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona not allowing immediate processing of Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60, which sought to raise the “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” to a higher level of $25 Million equal to those life saving $25 Million Rewards the U.S. advertised and paid on behalf of terrorist enemies of the United States, while Pvt Kristian Menchaca (Plaintiffs’ family member), Pvt Thomas Tucker, and Pvt Joseph Anziak, Sgt. Keith Maupin (body found 30 Mar 2008), Spc. Alex R. Jimenez (body found 09 Jul 2008) and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty (body found 09 Jul 2008) were tortured to death and murdered by the very same terrorists who were beneficiaries of said higher “mega-million-to-$25-Million-dollar” life Rewards as advertised by Defendant Gonzales and the U.S. Executive Branch “Interested Parties,” Attorney Generals Ashcroft and Mukasey, Secretaries Rice, Rumsfeld, and Gates at U.S. Department of State and Department of Justice “Rewards For Justice” Web sites.
. 47. SEE: Rewards for Justice, Washington , D.C.20522-0303, 1-800-877-3927; RFJ@state.gov; http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page…
. 48.   There are many reasons why Judge Gray Miller obviously should have not taken wrongful “Conflict-of-Interest” jurisdiction of Case H-08-60; however, Miller’s wrongful application of “Bush-Conflict-of-Interest” misappropriation of jurisdiction and Miller’s wrongful application of “Bush-Conflict-of-Interest” authority could have easily been assigned to another U.S. District Court judge, essentially assigned to a non-Bush nominee not in conflict.
. 49.    However, Miller grabbed a “Bush-Conflict-of-Interest” expropriation- control of Case H-08-60 and enabled himself as a self-appointed surrogate of Bush in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona to deny Plaintiffs any opportunity for a public trial that would expose the treasonable “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” structures of the U.S. Executive Branch targeting “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” with U.S. “$50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” in violation of Geneva Convention III of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977, as described in Case H-08-60.
  .50.  Miller’s “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona had catastrophic death consequences for the remaining three terrorist-captured U.S. soldier Prisoners Of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – whose lives might well have been saved by timely application of the U.S. Rewards that Plaintiffs sought to equalize, in balance with the equal-protection-of-the-law provisions of the U.S. Fourteenth Amendment, as equal in value to the Mega-Million dollar rewards the U.S. Executive Branch was then currently advertising and paying-out, and paying-out on behalf of captured terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan, which had the effect of saving the lives of “at-large” terrorists who surrendered, as said U.S. mega-million-dollar Rewards were advertised at U.S. government Department of Justice and Department of State published “Rewards For Justice” Web sites.
.51. SEE: Rewards for Justice, Washington , D.C.20522-0303, 1-800-877-3927; RFJ@state.gov; http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page…
. 52.    Miller’s wrongful “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona in application of “Bush-Conflict-of-Interest” judicial authority to deny Plaintiffs’ Application to proceed to hearing and immediate trial of Case H-08-60, essentially interfered with life saving U.S. Reward publications of “Fourteenth Amendment Equal-to-terrorist-$25 Million Dollar Rewards for Captured U.S. Soldiers” on behalf of the lives of Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, who were then, 22 Feb 2008 being held as terrorist-captured U.S. soldier Prisoners Of War in Iraq and facing barbaric mutilation, torture, and murder at the hands of their terrorist captors. Hearing and immediate trial of Case H-08-60 would undoubtedly have changed all this had not Miller expropriated jurisdiction away from other U.S. judges who were not self-appointed Henchmen for the U.S. Executive Branch White House.
 . 53.   Plaintiffs waited on Miller’s decision regarding their “Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee” (Forma Pauperis) from February to June 2008. Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie then contacted the Court Clerk to determine if the Court assessed additional charges to issue Summons in Case H-08-60. The Clerk explained that Miller had denied Plaintiffs’ “Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee” on 25 Feb 2008 and the Clerk had mailed him a copy of Judge Miller’s Denial during February 2008.
. 54.   Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie explained he was unaware of Miller’s denial, had never received notice of Miller’s Denial in the mail, and requested a copy from the U.S. District Court Clerk.
 . 55.  Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie then filed an Appeal of Miller’s said denial with the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in New Orleans .
. 56.   Subsequently, Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie learned from U.S. News media that Sgt. Keith Maupin’s body remains had been found, 30 March 2008, in Iraq after the U.S. Defense Department had paid more than $200,000 to Informants to reveal the location. Later, 09 Jul 2008, the U.S. News Media announced the body recoveries of Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
 . 57.   Based on U.S. Army intelligence that Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty were alive at the time Plaintiffs filed their lawsuit Case H-08-60, then Miller’s denial in “conflict of interest” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona on Plaintiffs’ “Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee” on 25 Feb 2008 effectively interfered with and blocked Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 efforts to save Sgt. Keith Maupin’s life by Plaintiffs’ seeking higher $25 Million Dollar ‘Fourteenth Amendment Equal’ Rewards on behalf of  “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” who were apparently evaluated as “Undermen” by the Miller-supported U.S. Executive Branch at $50,000 Dollar ‘Death Sentence’ Reward, each.
. 58.   Hence, Miller’s denial in “conflict of interest,” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in his Private Person Persona on Plaintiffs’ “Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee,” on 25 Feb 2008, effectively interfered with and blocked Plaintiffs’ Case-H-08-60-sought “Fourteenth-Amendment-EQUAL-To-Terrorists” $25 Million life-saving Rewards on behalf of  “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War”; and, Miller thereby corruptly and criminally denied the “U.S. Bush White House $50,000-Dollar-‘Death-Sentence’-Reward-targeted Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez, and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty an “equal chance” to be $25 Million “Reward-equal” to terrorist enemies of the United States during wartime. Essentially, in bad faith and conflict of interest, Miller deliberately, corruptly and criminally, with malice aforethought, expropriated jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 apparently with the premeditated purpose of murderously denying “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” the possibility of “equal” life saving Rewards of $25 Million that had already proven to save the lives of 100% of all Terrorists who had surrendered in Iraq.
. 59.      Miller’s murderously treasonable denial of Case H-08-60 efforts to save “U.S. Bush White House $50,000-Dollar-‘Death-Sentence’-Reward-targeted Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty from the treasonable effects of the “U.S. Bush White House $50,000-Dollar-‘Death-Sentence’-Rewards clearly revealed Miller’s murderous Treason against the soldiers and national defense of the United States that is outside Miller’s ministerial and discretionary scope, which proveably indicates Miller must be impeached and prosecuted for his murders and treasons against the people and military personel of the United States. 
. 60.     Miller premeditatedly taking jurisdiction, when Title 28 Section 455 clearly indicated he should recuse himslef, shows that Miller intended to issue denials that would treasonably cost the lives of “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” as Bush’s and Miller’s record clearly illustrates. Said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – were savagely murdered by their Terrorist Captors, while said U.S. soldier Prisoners of War were denied by Bush and Miller the higher $25 million Dollar Rewards that saved the lives of terrorists Bush and Miller protected with said $25 million Dollar Rewards while ruthlessly, relentlessly, and treasonably denying same life saving protection to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
. 61.     The facts indicate that Miller had information that indicated “U.S. $50,000-Dollar-‘Death-Sentence’-Rewards had targeted Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty, before Miller took jurisdiction of Case H-08-60. Miller took jurisdiction that was not his to take by snaking around Title 28, Section 455 and issuing denials against Plaintiffs’ efforts to save the lives of said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – who were savagely murdered by their Terrorist Captors, while said U.S. soldier Prisoners of War were denied by Bush and Miller the higher $25 million Dollar Rewards that saved the lives of terrorists who Bush and Miller protected with said $25 million Dollar Rewards while ruthlessly, relentlessly, and treasonably denying same life saving protection to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty.
. 62.     Should another U.S. District Court judge, instead of Miller, have taken jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 and allowed $25 Million dollar Rewards in defiance of the Bush U.S. Executive Branch $50K Death Rewards, it would be almost impossible for the Bush U.S. Executive Branch to appeal in front of the public as at that perticular juncture the Bush Administration would be then be publicly recognized as appealing to restore its treasonably low $50,000 Death Sentence Rewards to continue motivating Terrorists to mutilate, torture, and murder “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War” as contrasted alongside Bush-Gonzales-Rice $25 Million dollar Rewards for terrorists, which said $25 Million dollar Rewards if allowed for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War would be 14th Amendment Equal and thereby would create higher potential to save the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War.
 . 63.     Miller was informed of this and instead elected to corruptly expropriate jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 when other U.S. District Court Judges could have been assigned to Case H-08-60 had Miller not expropriated Case H-08-60 for his own wrongful decision making process, which directly and indirectly aided and abbeted life destroying Terrorism against said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – who were savagely murdered by their Terrorist Captors, while said U.S. soldier Prisoners of War were denied by Bush and Miller the higher $25 million Dollar Rewards that saved the lives of terrorists who Bush and Miller protected with said $25 million Dollar Rewards while ruthlessly, relentlessly, and treasonably denying same life saving protection to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War.
. 64.      Miller was informed that such an Executive Branch Appeal would reveal the U.S. Executive Branch had been committing furtive and surruptitious life-destroying Treason against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in violation of Title 18 US Code once the Appeal was seen alongside the body count of $50,000 Death Sentence U.S. soldiers in the light of Public Opinion.
. 65.      Moreover, the tortured bodies of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in direct correlation of Miller’s Treasons in denying them right to higher and equal Rewards of $25 Million U.S. provided to Terrorists would also expose Miller’s U.S. Code Treasons against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War as Miller had operated his U.S. Code Treason violations when he administratively and judicially murdered Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty by means of his said denials in Case H-08-60. Whle “murder” appears to be a strong term, this stronng term murder is exactly what was inflicted on captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in direct correlation of Miller’s Treasons in denying U.S. soldier Prisoners of War right to higher and equal Rewards of $25 Million U.S. provided to Terrorists by Miller’s mentally unbalanced behavior of Miller insisting that a $450 Court fee was more important than the lives of said captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty – who were savagely murdered by their Terrorist Captors, while said U.S. soldier Prisoners of War were denied by Bush and Miller the higher $25 million Dollar Rewards that saved the lives of terrorists who Bush and Miller protected with said $25 million Dollar Rewards.
. 66.     Miller’s denial of Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 effectively identified Miller as an “Anti-American” judge issuing “Auschwitz-type” judicial decisions in support of “Auschwitz-type” U.S. Attorney Generals and “Treasonable U.S. Executive Branch Secretaries” that produced “Auschwitz-type” ‘Death-Sentences’ against “Terrorist Captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War.”
. 67.      It is not hyperbole to say “Cain slew Able”; and, Miller slew Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez, by means of denying Case H-08-60 Plaintiffs’ efforts to proceed. While it is obvious that Miller’s judicial denial of Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 did relate to the Terrorist murders of Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez, and was both indirect and direct, this condition does not make Miller’s slaying of Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez any less truthful.
. 68.   Miller’s Forma Pauperis denial interfered with Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 efforts to increase U.S. Reward amounts to $25 Million each for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War and on behalf of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in direct correlation of Miller’s Treasons in denying Maupin’s, Fouty’s, and Jimenez’s Fourteenth Amendment right to higher and equal Rewards of $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars already bestowed to Terrorists by Attorney Generals Ashcroft, Gonzales, and Mukaysey, said  $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars having been criminally and treasonably denied to Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez by Attorney General Ashcroft, Attorney General Gonzales, Sectretaries Rice & Rumsfeld denying $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars, then later treasonably denied to Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez sucessively by Attorney General Mukaysey, Secretary Rice, and Gates.
. 69.      Miller’s wrongful expropriation of Case H-08-60 and refusal to recuse himself indicates “the thing speaks for itself (‘Res Ips Loquitor’),” a Pattern of behavior by Miller that incorporates the same manipulation of “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” that Miller continued when he ignored the fact that he was a Bush Nominee / Appointee, and concealed from Plaintiffs the fact that he was a Bush Nominee, who most wrongfully ignored USC Title 28, Section 455, and wrongfully took jurisdiction which was outside Miller’s Ministerial and Discretionary scope according to the provisions of  USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby Miller issuing Miller’s denial in Case H-08-60 that effectively blocked Plainfiffs; and, furthermore, following from Miller’s denial, the U.S. Court Clerk did not notify Plaintiffs in a timely manner by certified U.S. Mail regarding these most important “life-and-death” issues as Miller’s Denial applied to Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez. The Clerk’s notification by regular U.S. mail proved to be inadequate as Plaintiffs never received any word of Millers denial until Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie contacted the Clerk in June 2008 to determine if the Court charged for issuance of Summons.
. 70.      Miller’s entire pattern of conduct from his wrongful expropriation of Case H-08-60 to his predictable “Denial” of “Plaintiffs’ Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee (Forma Pauperis)” indicates that Miller had decided to subordinate the “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” considerations to the even lower amount of a $450 filing fee for Case H-08-60 before he wrongfully expropriated jurisdiction of Case H-08-60 to  manipulate his wrongful denial of Plaintiffs efforts to proceed to a speedy trial and hearing. 
. 71.      Before unlawfully usurping  and expropriating jurisdiction of Case H-08-60, Miller apparently premeditated a criminal plan whereby after wrongfully expropriating jurisdiction, Miller ignored and furthermore trivialized Case H-08-60 by criminally subordinating the life and death reward issue considerations of the U.S. Executive Branch “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” offers to Miller’s even lower criminal amount of a $450 filing fee for Case H-08-60 requiring a $450 filing fee to be paid before Miller would consider the fact that captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez — in Iraq would be murdered by their Terrorist Captors while Miller trivialized their lives at an even lower amount of a $450 Court filing fee compared to “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards”.
. 72.      While there were several ways said $450 Court filing fee for Case H-08-60 could have been processed or handled, Miller manipulatively and unecessarily selected the single condition that created the most delay and liklihood of mutilation, torture, and “certain-murder” against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez – by Miller selectively denying “Plaintiffs’ Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee (Forma Pauperis)” for Case H-08-60, which sought to change the Bush Executive Branch “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War to become equal to higher life-saving Rewards of $25 Million that Bush’s Executive Branch was offering and paying to save lives of surrendered terrorists and “at large” terrorists from April 2004 through 09 July 2008 and to the present time, but was treasonably denying to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War unto torture, mutilation and murder prohibited by Geneva Convention III of 1949 and The Geneva Protocols of 1977.
.73.    Plaintiffs’ Case H-08-60 set forth higher life-saving Rewards of $25 Million each for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War  — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez – that Miller treasonably denied as equal $25 Million dollar rewards to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War  — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez –  while Miller was actively and deliberately in violation of USC Title 28, Section 455 and thereby acting outside of his Ministerial and Discretionary scope.
. 74.     When the overall pattern of Miller’s behavior is examined, from the time prior to his wrongful taking jurisdiction of Case H-08-60, in conflict as a Bush appointee surruptitiously not informing Plaintiffs, a Bush appointee denying captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War  — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez – the $25 Million Dollar Rewards sought by Plaintiffs in Case H-08-60, it is most apparent that Miller intended to insure that the White House Reward Treasons against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War would continue to motivate terrorist enemies of the United States to inflict mutilation, torture, and murder against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War, whose Reward life values had obviously been slandered and defamed by “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards” to the “lowest life value” in Iraq and Afghanistan, in fact slandered to 500 times less than the most wanted Terrorists, bin Ladin and Zawahiri, thereby portraying captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War as virtually valueless “trash” to their Moslem captors who well understood the Moslem tradition of “Blood Money.”
. 75.      The horiffic consequences of said treasonable Executive Branch “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” policy were that Terrorist captors consistently and predictably mutilated, tortured, and murdered captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in violation of Geneva Convention III of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977 as inspired by “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards”.
. 76.      What is most revealing about Miller’s wrongful behavior is that Case H-08-60 redunantly set forth the details of said treasonable Executive Branch “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” policy and plainly explained how said $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” policy had produced an ever increasing body count of predictably mutilated, tortured, and murdered captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War in violation of Geneva Convention III of 1949 and Geneva Protocols of 1977.
.77.      Yet, Miller, with this information of Case H-08-60 in hand, surruptitiously took jurisdiction apparently with the most vile and criminal of intentions to deny Plaintiffs’ efforts to increase rewards on behalf of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War who were Victims of the White House Executive Branch “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Reward” policy.
. 78.     Miller’s wrongful expropriation of Case H-08-60 and refusal to recuse himself indicates that his deliberate denial of Plaintiffs’ “Application to Proceed Without Payment of Fee (Forma Pauperis)” was premeditatedly made with hostile and murderous indifference to the fate of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez.
. 79.      Miller wrongfully interfered with Case H-08-60 by denying it from being heard by a trail jury and Grand Jury. It is obvious that Miller intended to prevent higher Rewards for captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War and intended to stand by to allow Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty to be tortured to death by Terrorist captors in Iraq . And, this is essentially what happened as a result of Miller denying Case H-08-60 going forward to trial, thereby treasonably denying equal $25 Million dollar rewards to captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War  — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez –  while Miller was actively and deliberately in violation of USC Title 28, Section 455 and thereby acting outside of his Ministerial and Discretionary scope.
. 80.      This sequence of events is so obvious in Miller’s behavior that “the thing speaks for itself (‘Res Ips Loquitor’)”: Miller’s behavior and denial of Case H-08-60 as being connected to the deaths of Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty by denying Case H-08-60 from going forward to trial based on Miller’s perverse demand that the $450 court filing fee be paid instead of waiving it in the interest of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War  — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez, thereby denied and prevented higher Rewards to save their lives as equally as the U.S. Executive Branch was saving Terrorist lives with the higher $25 Million dollar Rewards it advertised at its several “Rewards for Justice” Web Sites located at the U.S. Department of Justice and U.S. Department of State, at the same time Miller’s treasonable denial was in effect from 25 Feb 2008 to the present, August 2008.
. 81.   SEE: Rewards for Justice, Washington , D.C.20522-0303, 1-800-877-3927; RFJ@state.gov; http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/
http://www.rewardsforjustice.net/index.cfm?page…
. 82.      Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez had U.S. Fourteenth Amendment rights to higher and equal Rewards of $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars to be treated with at least the same life-saving reward equality as Terrorist enemies of the United States and not to be treasonably slandered so far downward as to be publicly announced in the media as being assigned by their own government as at the lowest reward values, “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards,” in Iraq, unto 500 times less reward life value than the terrorist enemies of the United States.
  .83.    At this particular juncture, it is most appropriate to question whether the U.S. Executive Branch in its advocacy of the lowest reward values, “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards,” in Iraq , unto 500 times less reward life value than the terrorist enemies of the United States was a violation of Title 18, Section 2381 – Treason, by deliberation or by error.
. 84.   SEE: USC Title 18, Section 2381 – Treason: Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
 . 85.     Plaintiff concedes that it is possible for high ranking persons in U.S. government, deficiently educated in the law, even unbalanced U.S. Court Judges like Miller, to ignorantly perpetrate and commit acts that violate United States Codes, including ignorant violations of RICO (especially RICO) and ignorant violations of Treason, completely oblivious of the violations.
. 86.      However, ignorance, if true, does not mean that ignorant perpetration of a serious U.S. Code violation linked to atrocities and War Crimes against captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Maupin, Fouty, and Jimenez — should be ignored or forgiven.
. 87.      U.S. Judge Miller, after reading and learning the contents of Case H-08-60, obviously planned to expropriate wrongful jurisdiction with the purpose in mind of delaying consideration of U.S. Case H-08-60 in direct correlation of denying Maupin’s, Fouty’s, and Jimenez’s Fourteenth Amendment right to higher and equal Rewards of $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars to be Reward equal to Terrorists who were surviving surrender and capture in Iraq at a 100 % survival rate because they were blessed with Mega-Million dollar rewards while U.S. soldiers were cursed with “U.S. $50,000 ‘Death Sentence’ Rewards,” which obviously caused them to be tortured to death and murdered as targets of Bush’s White house Culture of Torture.
. 88.     The information of this issue indicates that captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty were murdered during the time period of 22 Feb 2008 to 08 July 2008, during said time period that U.S. Judge Miller, outside his ministerial and discretionary scope, did deny Plaintiffs’ efforts to provide $25 Million Dollar Rewards to save the lives of captured U.S. soldier Prisoners of War — Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty — on a Reward life value equal to said  $25 Million U.S. Reward dollars bestowed by the U.S. Executive Branch on Terrorists.
. 89.     Miller’s denial was in “conflict of interest,” outside his ministerial and descretionary scope, in disqualification under “USC Title 28, Section 455, thereby acting in Miller’s Private Person Persona In decisions that impact the question of human-life during administration of any private or government institution, meanwhile understanding there are many ways to administratively save or destroy lives, directly and indirectly, or by manipulation of nonfeasance, misfeasance, or malfeasance.
. 90.      Thus, Miller’s denial of Case H-08-60 did have the same detrimental and life-destroying effect as applied by the U.S. Executive Branch against Sgt. Keith Maupin, Spc. Alex R. Jimenez and Pvt. Byron W. Fouty. Miller’s wrongful behavior in not recusing himself is very obvious on the face of the record in the matter of Case H-08-60 that “the thing speaks for itself (‘Res Ips Loquitor’).”
. 91. Complainant / Plaintiff requests this Court to appoint a 'Special Counsel' to present information of the herein alleged Felonies to a U.S. Grand Jury if the U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. Attorney General, fails or refuses to present information of the listed Crimes, herein, to a Grand Jury, and Complainant / Plaintiff requests these wrongdoings be publicly investigated by U.S. law enforcement agencies to include FBI, Homeland Security Agency, and BATF; and, said Crime reports be provided to these agencies and to the various U.S. Grand Juries and courts having jurisdiction of the Crimes reported by Plaintiff Kenneth MacKenzie of the Kristian Menchaca Family and, within this Court's Jurisdiction.
. 92.  The Kristian Menchaca Family petitions this Court issue a Protective Order to include the protection of the U.S. Victim/Witness program to Protect the Family of Kristian Menchaca .
Complainant’s signature : S/ Kenneth MacKenzie,
Printed name : Kenneth MacKenzie;
title : Pro Se, Properia Persona, Complainant /
Plaintiff member of Kristian Menchaca Family
of U.S. Court Case H-08-60 – Houston, TX;
Home address: 2314 Gentry, Houston, TX 77009;   
H. Phone: 713-225-0123 ; Cell : 281 684 6028 ;
eMail: kenmackenzie2000@yahoo.com
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Anonymous
Comment posted July 12, 2009 @ 4:37 am

No, but their chilldren and grandchildren do.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 12, 2009 @ 11:23 pm

@cdc09,
hello my friend, i agree that those people with “1 lame battlecry” may be easily mislead.
 
My venue of research into “what is driving America today” reveals appaling similitude of I would label as “unilateral world nationalism” certainly repsonsible for the global financial crises
It would seem a multi-faceted (nefarious?) TriLateral Commission guides the national policy of the USA. As it appears well ensconced among lobbying industry giants, capable of revamping the entire financial security of America seemingly at will.
 
What everyone knows is that large industry lobby groups contribute millions every year to every member of Congress, regardless of partisanship, thereby ensuring consistent legislation.
When Bill Clinton & Phil Gramm repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, they enabled “insurance and banking” to reap billions in financial service fees, as well as, enabled “derivative” sales, which ran into the amount of approx. ~$1.2 trillion dollars by the end of 2008.  It is difficult to imagine that sub-prime mortgages possess a total package value anywhere even near that value, yet “derivatives had been issued” insuring them for that astronomical amount, e.g. AIG, et al realized a “net loss” when those policies were called.
 
The US.FED. jumped to rescue (of course IMHO) due to the faceted afffiliations of a few very well placed individuals (the 80/20 rule of wealth distribution is shrinking to 97/3, it would seem). For example: Peter Denis Sutherland holds several lofty posts among directorships of BP Petroleum, World Trade Organization, Trilateral Commission, GATT, The Royal Bank of Scotland, as well as, Goldman-Sachs, et.al. He is one well placed individual, who among Tri-LAt members (325), is able to manipulate world finance and insurance industries, as well as the contributions by those large groups in the USA.
 
This is all to say nothing of who manipulates/sets the price of oil for America…but certainly who drives the demand for insurance derivatives, centralized banking services, federal contributions (via massive loss of mi