[UPDATED] Six Seven Members of Congress Say Panetta Testified That CIA Misled Congress

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Wednesday, July 08, 2009 at 7:26 pm

Remember how CIA Director Leon Panetta said in May that members of the House Intelligence Committee “will have to determine” whether the CIA accurately and appropriately briefed Congress about the agency’s “enhanced interrogation program”? It appears that Panetta reached a conclusion himself.

On June 26, six seven Democrats on the committee — Anna Eshoo (Calif.), John Tierney (Mass.), Rush Holt (N.J.), Mike Thompson (Calif.), Alcee Hastings (Fla.) and Jan Schakowsky (Ill.) [Update: I received an early version of the letter. Rep. Adam Smith (Wash.) also signed it] — wrote to Panetta, “Recently you testified that you have determined that top CIA officials have concealed significant actions from all Members of Congress, and misled Members for a number of years from 2001 to this week.” The letter — which doesn’t explain what those “significant actions” concerned* — asks that Panetta “publicly correct” his May 15 statement that it isn’t CIA “policy or practice to mislead Congress.” TWI acquired a copy of the letter, which comes after CQ reported that committee chairman Silvestre Reyes (D-Texas) also nebulously stated that CIA “affirmatively lied” to the committee.

But CIA spokesman George Little says it’s “completely wrong” to say Panetta determined CIA misled Congress, as the six legislators charge. “Director Panetta stands by his May 15 statement,” Little said. “It is not the policy or practice of the CIA to mislead Congress. This Agency and this Director believe it is vital to keep the Congress fully and currently informed. Director Panetta’s actions back that up. As the letter from these six representatives notes, it was the CIA itself that took the initiative to notify the oversight committees.”

Little continued: “As for the Congress, as the Speaker has said, ‘We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the Intelligence Community who are deeply committed to the safety and security of the American people.’”

Here’s the full letter:

Letter to Panetta
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Late Update
: HuffPost’s Sam Stein nails down that these, uh, “significant actions” are indeed torture-related.

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Bob
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 12:23 am

So it's not policy–but that's not the same as saying they didn't actually do it! What a sham.


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stireized
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 12:49 am

Mr. Panetta better apologize to the spearker. She was right and the CIA followed orders from Bush to mislead her.. The bill she has introduced seems like no one in that position can be misled again. He should have never issued a statement about our speaker. Never before have I had so much confidenc in her since she seems not to fear any retaliation from such a powerful agency. SHE MUST HAVE NO SKELATONS IN HER CLOSET.


lungfish
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 12:59 am

And so the worm finally turns…
I believe Nancy P, as much as I am fed up with the Dems who enabled this mess and protected it while they were a minority. Panetta, like Obama, inherited a mess.

Now, about those 95 destroyed interrogation tapes, the claim that over 100 Rendered individuals died while in CIA custody, and the International Red Cross and their inability to locate most of the people caught in the CIA rendition program….

“Just following orders” is an unacceptable status quo. The CIA officers and agents all need to be investigated independently and held accountable if laws were broken, and whoever authorized their behavior including lying to Congress needs to be held fully and legally accountable.

Either that or we can just scrape our Justice system.


stireized
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 12:59 am

Mr. Panetta owes the speaker an apology for issueing a statement that the CIA does not misled Congressional oversight. The Speaker says she was misinformed and now his statement has initiated legislation that will never let that happen again, She or whoever will cooberatting witnesses to insure that. I greatly respect the Speaker for taking on such a powerful agency. SHE MUST NOT HAVE ANY SKELATONS IN HER CLOSET.


Clay Williams
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 1:00 am

No, “the Agency” did not mislead Congress. Agencies are abstractions and unable to “mislead.” Only people can mislead. To attribute it to the “agency” is an attempt to avoid responsibility. To make things right, if that is indeed the desire, then the people who approved of the deception or did the misleading need to be held responsible. So, the “agency” cannot make amends only people. Americans deserve an answer not a dodge: Who mislead them?


MaryOK
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 1:35 am

Nancy P lied or misled a nationwide TV audience about what her own religion's position about when life begins. Her “Meet the Press” discussion on this issue was so crazy that the Archbishop of Denver had a letter read in every church making sure that everyone understood that she was mistaken on the church's position and making sure that know one was confused by it. That letter was read the same morning as the interview. It was on the Sunday that the democrats had their convention in Denver. I knew the Church's position on the beginning of life had not changed in centuries and I was wondering what I had missed by not attending church regularly.

Right then and there I decided that if Nancy Pelosi couldn't accurately represent her own Church's position on the begiining of life ( she tried to leave the impression that the Church had been debating this for centuries and it was still reviewing Thomas Acquinas”s writings on the subject), she couldn't be trusted to accurately represent anything .

I don't believe her on anything. Very little that she says on policy matters even sounds informed. At best, she's confused .


teddysanfran
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 1:58 am

Panetta needs to decide, and very quickly, what kind of a leader he wants to be. He can be an institutional cheerleader or a transformative executive, but he cannot be both. And time is running out on that decision.

Apologize to Pelosi or dig in your heels: it's your call, Leon. Better make it soon.


lungfish
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:05 am

Well, your logic isn't serving you in this instance. Its clear that individuals in the CIA mislead Congress including not only Nancy P but several others on the Intelligence committee and elsewhere. Others have stepped forward. So the burden is on the CIA…

The article isn't about her veracity, its about the credibility of the CIA. As the topic is engaged the evidence is supporting Nancy P as being truthful. You don't have to take her word for it, the evidence is right there for us to see. They lied, killed, obfuscated and mislead… there is no question, really, when you review the docs. Take a look at what the former CIA Inspector General report will divulge – it is highly critical of the CIA and charges that there are serious operational and reporting failings.

If they destroyed 95 interrogation tapes after being told not to, I would give the benefit of the doubt to Nancy P.

And since when is her position on religion, Superstition, whatever you call it, relevant to governance? When is it even appropriate to question her about it in the first place?


spencerackerman
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:07 am

Suffice it to say I asked CIA to respond to that particular line of reasoning and am, ah, awaiting reply.


lungfish
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:08 am

Abortion rights are the law and anyone asking that question is really seeking to impose their beliefs on the rest of us through legislation. She shouldn't have even given him the time of day.


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sgwhiteinfla
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:00 am

Its word play at its finest. Panetta was attesting to what the CIA is doing under his leadership on May 15 but he made sure to word it in a way that could be construed to also give cover for the CIA's previous actions so that he could build up his cred with the rank and file. Its so obvious they should just call him out on it. Ask him a specific directed question about what the CIA did pre 2009. Its that simple.


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Sally
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:34 am

Unfortunately our people in Congress are all liars and cheats with one goal which is to hang onto their seat by doing whatever it takes, even when it isn't in the best interest of the taxpayers, i.e. the pork loaded stimulus. I despise Nancy Pelosi and consider her THE most dispictable person in Congress with Barney Frank a close second. These people, and the rest, are not acting in the best interest of the country but only in their interest….and their constituents so they can keep their jobs. Need to get rid of every last one of them and get new blood in……how about limiting how long any person can serve in the Senate and House?


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Matt
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:28 am

It's pretty obvious that the people in the CIA conspired to mislead congress. Considering the actions of the CIA in the past I don't believe anything they have to say. Shut them down. Start a new intelligence agency from scratch. The CIA is despicable. The worst.


martydaman
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:28 am

Now maybe Sean Hannity will publicly appologize for all his bashing of Nancy Polosi, if not he should be fired. But as usual he won't let the truth get in the way of his anti-democrat hate mongering. I think time for the “Fairness Doctrine” has come.


John Hampton
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

This is nothing more than damage control by Pelosi, and those who support this feckless fool. She no longer has any credibility with the American people and she is now attempting to vindicate herself. She is also trying to create an additional distraction for the American people to focus their attention on so they will not notice and focus additional attention on the mounting failures of this administration and the continued ineptness of a Congress controlled by the Democratic Party. Anyone with common sense who is paying attention to what is happening here in this country and elsewhere in the world can clearly discern the malevolent and treacherous agenda of our present government. The lemmings and sheep are beginning to wake up now. Many will break ranks with those who have been naively and foolishly following the charlatan, Pretendent Obama, and his puppet masters, and join us as we march on Washington on September 12. They will join us during next year's Congesssional elections when we restore Congress to what it should be. The novice-and-chief, Pretendent Obama will become a lame duck president halfway through is one and only term and will most likely not complete it and go down in history as the biggest fraud ever foisted upon this nation. Nancy Pelosi should just give it up now, lay down her gavel, and disappear.


MaryOK
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

I will pay closer attention to this story and try to get at the facts. I might be inclined to believe some of the others, but for me Nancy Pelosi has little credibility. You are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. I probably never will.

As for Nancy Pelosi's Meet the Press Interview, you should Google the story. '

Essentially, Tom Brokow asked her how she would have advised Candidate Obama to answer the question about when life begins, posed at the Saddleback Forum, instead of saying “above my pay grade”.

Nancy Pelosi started out by saying, that as a Catholic, she has studied this issue. She said no one knows when life begins. She talked about Thomas Aquinas's writings. When Brokow tried to ask her if the Catholic Church's official position was that life begins at conception, she essentially wouldn't let him say it. Catholics and non Catholics alike know that the Catholic Church believes that life begins at conception and that this belief is the foundation of their position on abortion. I was shocked when I heard her imply that the Catholic Church's position on the beginning of life was still under debate. I called my mother immediately and asked if I had missed something by not going to church lately. The archbishop of Denver was shocked too apparently. I swear they were reading a clarifying letter in church before Meet the Press was off the air.

What does any of this have to do about governance? Nancy Pelosi ought to at least be able to accurately characterize the position of her own religion on a teaching of theirs that is straightforward, clear, well publicized and centuries old. If Nancy P. can't properly represent this clear position, I certainly won't look to her to explain anything more complicated – which just about everything in governance is. I wouldn't look to her for accuracy about anything. I won't say she lies, but I will say she lacks critical thinking skills. I understand she is a great fundraiser for other members of congress.

I have a democratic congressman. I tell him all the time that ideas out of California don't represent me – from the Midwest. Now with their bankruptcy, CA is the model of what not to do. They seem to represent the idea of a free lunch.

Mary OK


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laym
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:33 pm

Little said. “It is not the policy or practice of the CIA to mislead Congress. This Agency and this Director believe it is vital to keep the Congress fully and currently informed. Director Panetta’s actions back that up. As the letter from these six representatives notes, it was the CIA itself that took the initiative to notify the oversight committees.”

Little continued: “As for the Congress, as the Speaker has said, ‘We all share great respect for the dedicated men and women of the Intelligence Community who are deeply committed to the safety and security of the American people.’”

Hey, you know what that statement doesn't say? “We didn't lie.”


laym
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Hey, you know what I shoulda done before posting? Read the previous comments. Sorry, Bob.


Matt
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:41 pm

The CIA just doesn't have any credibility with the American public any longer. Only the Authoritarian apologists still back the CIA, the rest of the country has turned against this pack of liars and murderers. It's really refreshing to have a President that isn't the complete and total fraud the last one was. Finally America has woken up to the rotten ideas and policies of the Fascist Republican Party. I'm pretty sure the Dems will even pick up another Senate seat or two in the mid-term elections.


MaryOK
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

She wasn't asked about abortion rights. I don't think abortion was ever discussed. She was asked how Obama should have answered the Saddleback Forum Question of when life begins. He tried to duck it – but not in a way that made him look good.

Nancy Pelosi attempted to answer it, but in a way that made her look like she was misrepresenting her own religion. I suppose the seven democrats may be accurate about this latest CIA story, but based on this one interview, Nancy Pelosi can not be counted on to be accurate about anything.


lungfish
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

Well, we can kick this around but six other members of the committee have spoken publicly that Panetta advised them that they had been lied to about certain CIA programs since 2001 so I think we can back off Nancy as there is a larger story here.
The Rep. Shakowski (I think thats her name) said that when Panetta told them what the program was, they (Republicans as well) were stunned. The speculation is that Cheney ran an assassination program out of his office. The respected journalist, Seymour Hersch referred to it in March. It was run by Gen McRaven…That has been completely illegal since the 70s when the CIA was found to be a rogue org that was operating against Americans and others including secret, deadly experiments, mind control experiments, assassinations, etc… and doing a lot of it on American soil. They wrere forced to publically apologize for drugging and throwing one American victim out of a window to kill him – which was a recommended method in their assassination manual. Of course, Iran Contra happened a few years later, and that was the begining of the CIA supported Crack Cocaine epidemic ( if you recall Iran Contra began with the Sandanistas shooting down a CIA plane full of cocaine that was returing to the CIA base in Arkansas – they were running guns and bringing back Cocaine. The Crack wars geared up about the time the operation began.

Anyway, it looks like Cheney and co were up to some serious no good and Pelosi and the rest didn't know.

Personally, I don't like her. Like all politicians, they pander. There is no place for discussion of religious activities in the political arena. I do not want to live under the imposition of someone elses beliefs… look how its going for Iran… I don't want a “God” based government. I want one that makes certain that everyone eats, everyone is safe and everyone can choose what they want to do or believe without abusing the rest of us. I am tired of running Christians off my porch and being told that I am the bad guy.
They are inciting each other to killing and harassing and abusing people who are exercising their legal rights. That is a prime reason to keep things fair for everyone and avoid religious discussions altogether. Conversations about when life begins are about defining a politicians beliefs about religious matters. No woman undergoes abortions lightly and the GOP are specifically opposed to social services, realistic birth control and sex education, etc..
end of rant…


lungfish
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

Pretty strong comments from Seymour Hersch and others that some of the lying involved an illegal and secret assassination team being run out of Cheney's office. Mr. Boehner took great pains today to mention that the information involved a program that “had never been implemented”… He may end up regretting that statement and getting in front of something that could potentially incriminate, even indirectly, anyone who supported Cheney and Bush in their secret and illegal activities…
Its clear that we can draw a line threw Pelosi and still we have a problem. Panetta told the Intel Committee that they had been lied to and now they want him to say so publicly. Apparantly when Panetta briefed them on the one of the classified issues in question, the entire committee was “stunned”. That doesn't seem to indicate that it was about something comparatively mundane. Neither does Boehners statement/ attack against Pelosi today.
I don't like Pelosi. She and many Dems enabled the GOP and the Cheney Administration on their egregious and reprehensible rampage across the Constitution and American law. Thousands upon thousands of innocent people died. Hundreds of Rendition subjects are missing and presumed dead. 95 Interrogation tapes were destroyed to cover up deaths in custody, I am sure. Some Renditioned subjects were innocent and tortured and lucky to have survived at all. The IRC can't find most of the rest of them and fears they are dead. Americans were wiretapped and the Mark Klein vs NSA case still has ramifications for us all given that the NSA was never ordered to stand down their full spectrum listening posts that they installed in the ATT hubs in San Francisco and elsewhere… Not to mention all the lies and malfeasance that has already come to light.

We really need a public accounting, prosecutions and incarcerations. If CIA personel are involved, then prosecute them too.

Does anyone here remember the mid70s when the CIA was proved to be a rogue org that practiced mind control experiments and other more deadly experiments on Americans and others? Do you remember them publicly apologizing to the family of one American that they assassinated by throwing him from a window – an apology that came after a dogged family refused to give up on their father and husband, had him exhumed and examined for evidence of murder and proved it? The CIA paid them a bit of cash for it… but that is how it was then. I think its worse now. We need a thorough house cleaning, trials and prosecutions…

Even more, we need leadership that won't shirk its responsibility to seek justice no matter who is involved..


MaryOK
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Thanks for the continued dialogue. I will watch this CIA issue. A lot of people on the other side of it seem to think that this letter about Panetta's comments are nothing but a cover for Nancy Pelosi's earlier comments about being lied to. I don't know about that, but as I said, Nancy Pelosi is not a person who gets simple facts straight.

I agree with you about religion. But anyone who comments on their own religion, and says they are commenting about their own religion, should get the issue right especially when it is so straightforward. As I said, she was not asked about abortion or even the Catholic Church's position on when life begins. She was asked how Obama could have better handled this question. I'm glad to hear that you are looking at more facts other than Nancy P.'s version of them.


lungfish
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 12:54 am

Nice chatting…
I have met a lot of religious folks that don't know a thing about their proffessed beliefs and should not be talking about them. Pelosi seems to have done this… For example, many Christians beleive that when one dies one goes to Heaven. Yet, the actual dogma states that everyone dies and lies there until the Second Coming. Everyone is raised to eternal life, here on Earth, and there will be a reward for the faithful… The Catholics have a very different view of “Rapture” than the Baptists…
So I am not surprised that Pelosi fouind herself out of her depth.

I work with a lot of scientists, PhD types, and its interesting who really knows the scope of their own knowledge and who does not. Some PhDs, like some politicians, are incapable of saying “I don't know.”. They can not resist the opportunity to speak and it doesn't matter that they are talking about something they know nothing about.. Its like once they become an authority in one subject they are qualified to speak about any subject.. I know one that has a degree in Government who is pontificating as we speak about Solar Mass Ejections – and he has zero training in physics, much less Solar Physics. He is a laughing stock for the knowledgeable and is absolutely clueless about how ridiculous he looks and how wrong he is…

I felt that Pelosi could have pushed harder as Speaker instead of caving. It might be just a difference in styles. She knew that they didn't have the votes for impeachment and needed the time and energy for survival. My own management style is to escalate a bit. But heck, the VP, it seems, had assassins so who knows what either of us would have said had we known..

I would have liked to have seen her lose the last election, she had some good challengers…

Its hard to find straight shooters who are interested in service first. Pelosi, like most of the dems, was just trying to hang on through a long dark night. I wish the Dems had better leaders, I might consider being one again…


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Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

Wow, Matt! You're really confused. By authoritarian apologists I believe you must be talking about the current administration and the clowns in Congress who back Pretendent Obama. But it doesn't appear that they are very supportive of the CIA. And for you to say how refreshing it is to have someone in office who is not a complete and total fraud really exposes your intellectual dishonesty. Or perhaps you're just confused about that as well. Fascist Republican Party?! C'mon now. You must be new. The idealogy of the Democratic Party as it is propogated and practiced today comes much closer to fascism than that of the Republican Party. Stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Look what it's doing to your cerebral processing. You're sure the sure the Democrats will pick up more seats in next year's elections? You haven't been paying too much attention to things, have you?


laym
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 3:32 pm

The idealogy of the Democratic Party as it is propogated and practiced today comes much closer to fascism than that of the Republican Party.

Thought I would try to clarify the above statement. The flibberty flarn joop slarz the uggadabuggada fri-tang. There. I think that makes more sense.


John Hampton
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Thank you, Pootang, for translating that into something better understood by the Obamite and liberal progressive ding dongs.

One last thing I'd like to add that you might want to translate; Despite the efforts of fascist idealogues to propagandize otherwise, any person with a fair grasp of English and who is capable of research can easily use the congressional record to identify the Democratic party as a fascist party and discern from that same record that the Republican party is a civil rights based party.

Further research of other fascist governments will show that their powere is achieved through intimidation, nationalization of industry (specifically banking and health care), banning citizen's rights to arms, control of the press and media, indoctrination of children, and by making promises to cure all ills of society by providing work for the unemployed, welfare for the poor, and oligopoly for the wealthy.


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Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:17 pm

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arjayt
Comment posted July 10, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

Congressional staffers, many of whom are not bound by any Oath of Office or personal, punishable non-disclosure agreement, are notorious for leaking classified information on on-going covert Intel community and military operations that have killed American citizens or allowed enemy police state apparats to ‘arrange’ for their citizens to be killed as demicide. Others in Congress have leaked material for cynical political motives without regard for reckless endangerment of others.

That having been said, the question arises about how do you bring checks and balances to ‘rogue’ individuals within an Intel cult that spit on the Constitution using the surveillance toys available to them? The highly sophisticated devices like satellite image monitoring of individuals (it can look through you bedroom window), GPS tracking, and insertable AV bugs are all fine as long as they are used on known or potential enemies of the American citizens and Constitution OUTSIDE the jurisdiction of the Constitution.

Even experimenting with these devices within the constitutional jurisdiction without a contractual consent of the individual (an open source contract would be the minimum) can be a severe violation of the Bill of Right’s First, Fourth, Fifth, Ninth, Thirteenth Amendments and the Civil Rights Act. If there is a contractual consent for the experimentation, then it reverts back to within the Constitutional frame work of protections and then requires only the normal compensations for work done under a non disclosure condition. If some bureaucrat within the Agency decides to arbitrarily nullify the consenting contract for his own reasons, then he has spit on the Constitution in a manner that gives ‘aid and comfort’ to its totalitarian enemies. That is very close to the definition of treason and should be dealt with in that context. The question for the Congress’s oversight members is how to allow for the protection of the constitution (and themselves in its context) while insuring that harmed citizens of experimentation by the Agency is brought into a form of silent, undisclosed justice through retroactive compensation. IE: make the mistakes right in a context of a 10 year or 20 year non-discloser.
It then becomes a matter of internal Agency control of the natural tendency of people, especially when normally hidden from checks and balances by their peers and the Congress, to try and be omnipotent through “control freak” technologies. There is also the question of whether the politicians themselves need to control a primeval desire for control of others and whether they would prevent the use of surveillance technologies for political benefit such as is happening in many countries. Further, there are many who insist Intel information be released so it can be used for their personal economic gain and that certainly won’t apply to the Constitution’s ‘general welfare’ covenant. But it is the ‘Justice’ covenant that needs to prevail in this Intel matter before the Congress.


Kathleen Rodriguez
Comment posted July 13, 2009 @ 11:03 am

We want a sincere, national tv apology from pelosi to the CIA! We do not want to hear about a program that was not finished or used! What is the matter with those people who signed that letter? Pelosi, stand up like an adult and apologize for your lie rather than having a phony, unused program thrown up to hide you!


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