‘Real America’ and Palin

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Monday, July 06, 2009 at 7:55 am

MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” roiled, as most political shows will today, with discussions of Gov. Sarah Palin’s (R-Alaska) resignation. And as with most discussion of Palin, it featured well-paid New York or Washington-based pundits explaining why the second member of a Republican ticket that lost Indiana, Ohio and Virginia represented “real America.”

“Which vice presidential candidate was taken off the campaign trail and which one was out there drawing thousands of people?” asked Joe Scarborough. Of course, then-Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.) was not “taken off the trail,” and as TWI’s Laura McGann has reported, Palin’s crowds were always overrated. Scarborough’s quasi-co-host Mika Brzezinski followed this up by saying Palin represented “real Americans,” and that some people in “urban America” didn’t get it.

This is fascinating. In 2004, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) and Sen. John Edwards (D-N.C.) lost the presidency with 48.3 percent of the vote, and no one seriously suggested that they represented “real Americans” or anything else. As Ben Smith reported after the election, at least 79 percent of Americans now live in urban areas; the people with whose opinion Brzezinski is so concerned represent a demographic and political fringe. Famously, the county in North Carolina that Sarah Palin pegged as an outpost of “real America” went for Barack Obama over John McCain, by 18 points.

By every metric, Palin is one of the less popular Republican politicians on the national stage: her ticket even carried less of the vote in Alaska (59.4 percent) than the Bush/Cheney ticket carred in 2004 (61.1 percent). And yet mainstream pundits insists that she represents more of the country than the people who won the 2008 election. It’s quite extraordinary.

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Paul50
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

David, Palin did not get really popular in Alaska until after she was elected governor and she increased the taxes on the oil companies, then sent every Alaskan a larger check. Buying votes never hurts a politicians popularity. That popularity is sagging now.


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24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 2:47 am

Obviously, Weigel's never been to – just as an example – Long Beach. It used to be referred to as “Iowa by the Sea”, but I don't know if that still applies. Just because someone lives in an urban metro area doesn't mean they're – as they say – secular progressives.

Say, is Weigel leaving despicable, foul-mouted nastygrams about me? Because someone is, and they're mentioning Weigel. Example here. If that's Weigel doing it, he could be mentioning himself just to throw everyone off. Of course, it might be someone else. Maybe – since he's best buds with MattY – he could find out who it is since they're making him look bad too.


ChrisBWasHere
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 4:33 am

Sarah Palin will never be POTUS…But she will be rich and she will be forever sorry!


plumpplumberbalding
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 1:13 pm

What most folks don't seem to understand is that Palin represents an America that hasn't been emasculated. You see, feminists have destroyed their credibility over this woman. Anyone that can make fools out of so many liberal women is gonna have a HUGE fan base. One thing that struck me in this whole affair’de Palin is just how afraid the leftists are of this Woman. Do you realize that she has made liberal feminists “loose their religion”? Some of the more intelligent feminist bloggers that I’ve read lately realize just that. That when you don’t have anything but hate, not the facts, but just hate, then that is what shows. I’d always thought that a rising tide raises all boats, but, oops, nasty feminist politics took care of that.

It’s obvious to anyone who listened to Palin….This woman is clearing the decks to get ready to fight. Apparently, she is going to be the catalyst for the tea
party. As for having a killer instinct, well, when she isn’t held back by effiminate RINOS, “it’s hell when the rabbit has a gun”.

A Tea party threat will bleed of crucial votes from the RINOS. Some of them will change their behavior as the sense the momentum, but the elephant has been castrated, and we don’t trust it anymore. Actually, I figure that they’ll bleed off some of the ole’ mule too. The beauty of all this is that these foolish detractors are beginning to believe their own rantings. Truly intelligent people generally act according to unforeseen plans, and surprise their enemies in shocking ways. Personally, deep down, I expect her to take revenge on those who have attacked her family. I know that I would use extreme, deniable violence, myself, but, that’s just me.

As for Ms. Moore, well, what goes around comes around, and in real life karma is a heartless bitch. The followers of the mule are going to regret the politics of self destruction of families. Intelligent folks know that such things backfire, and create sympathy in the target audiences. So, Palin is gonna cut a wide swath, colect some money, and garner 10-15 seats in the House, and maybe 2-3 in the Senate as time goes on. Her most telling effect is that her presence will force certain RINO pantywaists to find a new set, to avoid being replaced.

So, don’t fret, little grasshoppers, as this Woman is going to do BIG things. I mean, let’s face it, She’s made absolute fools out of her feminist enemies. You see, once it’s established that there is a genuine double standard in their ranks, then, there’s no difference between them and the “evil, wicked, bigotted” men that they have railed at for 50 years or so. By the way, my mother was a feminist in the 50’s and 60’s, and she would have been disgusted at such feminine “betrayal”


LaLee
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

Hmm i have one sentence rebuttal to your long comment.

Winners don't quit and quitters don't win.


joefromlowell
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Careful, LaLee.

Don't forget about the Tea Party Threat.

Right-wing culture warriors are the American version of the Iraqi Sunnis. For decades, they've been fed propaganda telling them that they are a much larger segment of the country's population than they really are, and that they alone are the genuine expression of their nation. Because of the relentlessness of the message, and because it's what they want to hear, they believe it.

Suckers. How are you going to climb out of a hole when you keep telling yourself you're on top of the mountain?


plumpplumberbalding
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 12:44 am

We are rapidly approaching a watershed in the public perception of Obama. Consider closely the history of the American Revolution. The folks who agitated and fomented where the ones being taxed to death. Same as today, but at least back then they read the articles, bills, and particulars before they voted. What do you suppose they meant by the second amendment?Could it be that in rising up against an oppressive government that despotic rulers could actually get killed? Oh my…..Taxation without even reading the bill before voting on it? Honestly, folks have been rounded up and shot for less. When do government officials cross the line into actual treason? Does this sound insane? Hardly….These are times in which people who love this country must act.


LaLee
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 1:01 pm

Uh this article isn't about Obama, this article is about Palin.

Speaking of which:

ABC News July 7, 2009:
Sarah Palin: Why She Resigned.
“”I think on a national level, your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out,” she said.

There is no “Department of Law” at the White House.”

http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=8016906


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stephenperry
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 12:19 am

What is your post except for an invitation to use weapons (“meant by the second amendment”) against “oppressive government,” complete with “despotic rulers [who] could actually get killed,” since, as you say, “folks have been rounded up and shot for less?”

It looks like you're inviting us common folk who don't like paying taxes to rise up and kill our government leaders, particularly President Obama whom you lead off with and single out by name.

And you're posting this in response to an article about Sarah Palin and “real America?”

Get real. And don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. Real America doesn't need your kind.


stephenperry
Comment posted July 30, 2009 @ 12:46 am

Your post provides the following insights:

–Palin made liberal feminists “loose their religion.”

Either you cannot spell “lose” or you think Palin made liberal women unleash religion upon the world. Either way, you're wrong and not intelligent enough to deserve further response, other than to note that part of the difficulty of deciphering your meaning is that you provided no supporting evidence.

–”Some of the more intelligent feminist bloggers that I've read lately…”

Are imaginary? There are no feminist bloggers, intelligent or otherwise, who lost their religion or unleashed it upon the world over Sarah Palin. You haven't read anything written by a feminist, or if you have, you haven't absorbed it! Please post links to shame and discredit me.

–”When you don't have anything but hate, not the facts, but just hate…”

You what? You mock community organizers even though your state is full of poor people? You accuse a sitting Senator on the Foreign Relations Committee of “palling around with domestic terrorists who would target their own country?” You make that accusation while being married to a man who, for 7 years until you became famous and he had to change it to “Independent,” was a member of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party, whose founder, Joe Vogler, was murdered in an illegal plastics-explosives sale that went bad, but not before he had time to tell everyone who would listen how eager he was to kill U.S. Federal agents and had in fact booby-trapped his property so as to be able to kill more of them when they came for him?

Help me out here, I'm confused…

– Sarah Palin is “clearing the decks to get ready to fight. Apparently, she is going to be the catalyst for the tea party”

Apparently, you believe anything. In your world, you quit so you can do your job. You run away and hide so you can fight. You flake out so that you can be a catalyst for action. You quit a major executive job with a spotlight and a bully pulpit so you can throw a tea party with 20 people who are cranky about paying taxes.

– You “figure that they’ll bleed off some of the ole’ mule too.”

No Democrat who wants to support Palin is still in the Democratic party to be bled off. All three of them left during the general election. There's NO way anyone is going to follow the Quitter over to the tea party. That tea bagging party was already an impossible sell for rational people, but if Palin DID go speak to them or say she is one, then that's as good as locking the door to the group as far as Democrats are concerned. She's a litmus test – if she's for it, we're against it.

–”The beauty of all this is that these foolish detractors are beginning to believe their own rantings.”

Hmm. Those of us who thought she was a know-nothing from nowhere who got snotty about community organizers and claimed to be a pitbull with lipstick when really she's as dumb as a box of hammers are immensely relieved to be proven right as she runs of the stage screaming about victims and double standards. Just last year she was saying that Hillary Clinton shouldn't complain about sexism and double standards, and that it hurt all women when she did those things, because you've just got to expect that and be a better candidate. Yes, that's what she said. Before she started whining about Letterman and quit her job when the oil money dried up.

So yeah, we are believing what we said. Because we were right.

–”Truly intelligent people generally act according to unforeseen plans, and surprise their enemies in shocking ways.”

The truly intelligent do disguise their plans from their enemies, but they have plans to begin with, and those plans are shared with collaborators and underlings who are necessary to pull off the plan. Palin had no plan, still has no plan, and did not bring anyone into her inner circle to help her come up with a plan or explain her actions when she acted without a plan.

Meg Stapleton was across the country in D.C. when Palin gave her I Quit speech, and Stapleton was caught flat-footed by David Shuster's question about why she was there instead of in Alaska if, as Stapleton unconvincingly stammered, “this has all been in the works for a long time and was planned.”

Give us an example of one of these mental giants you're referring to who acted in complete surprise to everyone, in unforeseen ways. My guess is none of them went to 5 colleges in 6 years to get a journalism degree but still don't know that a constituent asking you a question about an international issue (whether to fight terrorists in Pakistan as well as Afghanistan) is not “gotcha journalism” any more than asking you what newspapers you read is “gotcha journalism.”

My guess is none of them think geographic proximity to a Siberian wasteland gives one foreign policy experience of that nation, nearly all of whose population lives thousands of miles away.

–”well, what goes around comes around, and in real life karma is a heartless bitch.”

Agreed. Palin went around lying about a sitting Senator without any regard for the truth or falsity of what she said. She smeared half the country with her “real America” brush, she played the victim and used “sexism” as both a sword and a shield all while parading herself and her family around in high-end fashion, and she insulted all of us by disparaging community organizers, the media, education, inquisitiveness, and intellectual achievement.

She isn't getting one-tenth of the scorn she deserves. She set this country back a generation. Female politicians have a harder time being taken seriously because of Sarah Palin's ineptitude. You say “she's made absolute fools out of her feminist enemies.”

The people she's made fools of are Bill Kristol and John McCain. Are they her feminist enemies?

Otherwise, who could you possibly be talking about?

Your mother, if she was really a feminist in the 50's and 60's, would have been appalled at the way Palin was used by her own party as nothing more than Arm Candy for John McCain to bring out the red-blooded (and sexually aroused) men at the Republican base of the Appalachian Trail.

Your post is so full of untruths that I don't have the patience to go through them all. Enough has been written to make the point. What you don't know about feminism would fill a warehouse.


fightthesmears
Comment posted July 31, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

You're leaving one tiny inconvenient fact out. McCain was outspent by nearly double the money. It took Obama $700 million to buy his election.


Dellia
Comment posted August 4, 2009 @ 5:23 am

Sarah Palin is smart, we need her in our next election to show the men how to run America. Please stop running down everyones character and plus your own. The republicans never voted McCain in, it was I heard the Acorn people. There was younger people running. Who wrote the bill that the president signed without reading ? Everyone that hates America should leave it. “Our Love”, gave us a mind to use, for us to make choices, a right and wrong brain to use. There is only one book that gives us the rules. You guess it, man did not write this book. What is good for America citizens is good for our governments.


Snorgy
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 2:24 am

What you don't know about feminism would fill a warehouse.

And please leave it there, Stephenperry. We beg you. We get enough of that in the gladiators-in-training public schools, except that the fighting is not of boys on boys, but rather turning boys into little Statists by making them passive.

Just like Joe Sobran has said.

That's where it needs to stay. A somewhat less verbose response on all the foregoing would be that Palin is trashed because a quick interview with Dr. Freud tells the average person all they need to know about why such venom–particularly from females–flows in her direction. Hell hath no fury, no indeed.

I could mentioned the ugly asides about Trig, her marriage, the tall tales of Track messin' with buses, the utter hypocrisy of those who like only the googly-eyed bellower that put Concord engines to shame–like Bella Abzug, who was hailed as a hero for her nasty mouth, but let's leave all that for the moment.

The real problem here other than the obvious, is that Palin is that part of America that has yet to be de-balled, has not fallen for Euro-Canadian “health care” glop and other Nanny State notions, still puts in a full work day, and wishes not to become yet another marionette of big government.

And word to the wise-ass about the tick-picking over spelling. There are no grammarians in this room, and that Vaudeville schtick routine of pointing out small time errors means nothing.

There is plenty of crap to pick over, and the curiosities abound for example over just why Ted Kennedy was given wide girth in all his illustrious Statist glory, or why we now have a clown named Franken in the Senate who now gets to do his routine while not reading bills.

But then, that might overvalue both my personal tastes and those who expect the reading of 1000 page legalese documents that either say we'll get “competition” in health care, or perhaps not, depending on whom you ask in power and whether the Bambi administration is in campaign mode.

But the point on Palin is that few people have had their personal lives poured over by teams of lawyers and anonymous tipsters and a baker's dozen lawsuits all in such short succession.

Whatever the case, you WILL rue the day, even if you smirk now, that we are sans anyone to rid us of the ACORN pests and the other Saul Alinsky revolutionary goodies now running the show, and the State, into the utter ground.


Snorgy
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:31 am

Those mountains and valleys can be awfully close together, chief.

And sometimes the guys headin' back up the summit play with guns as well.


Snorgy
Comment posted August 5, 2009 @ 3:39 am

You accuse a sitting Senator on the Foreign Relations Committee of “palling around with domestic terrorists who would target their own country?” You make that accusation while being married to a man who, for 7 years until you became famous and he had to change it to “Independent,” was a member of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party, whose founder, Joe Vogler, was murdered in an illegal plastics-explosives sale that went bad, but not before he had time to tell everyone who would listen how eager he was to kill U.S. Federal agents and had in fact booby-trapped his property so as to be able to kill more of them when they came for him?

Other than the part about the palling around–which, come to think of it and not to put too fine a point on this issue…..is…well……..more true than not…

How the ***k does any of the rest of this darken the skies on Palin's past?

A seccesionist movement is evil, I'm supposing?

Hells Bells, that should have come to the attention of the Founders, I guess.

And the part about…geez…what was all that crap about explosives?

My God, dweebhead, if this had ANY relevence; theoretical, ephemeral, philosophical, epistemological, proposition, or any other connection to Palin, do tell. Geez Manetti, brother.

Having a “connection” of this type by the fact that someone who played with bombs knew someone who in turned was married to someone?

This is an order different from being a true friend to Ayers, and part of a clique of people for whom minimal entry level qualifications for Club Radical was at least the disdain for capitalism and freedom.

Like, ya know, Ayers demonstrates to this day.

And Obama as well, come to think it over…


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