Tea Party Movement Loses Steam

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Friday, July 03, 2009 at 6:00 am
Young protesters at the April 15 Tea Party in Washington, DC (Photo by: Aaron Wiener)

Young protesters at the April 15 Tea Party in Washington, DC (Photo by: Aaron Wiener)

While South Carolina’s political establishment wrestles with the fate of Gov. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.), Ron Parks has already moved on. He’s one of the organizers of a July 4 Tea Party in Charleston, a rally that will celebrate America and protest the way that President Barack Obama is governing it.

“We had 6,000 people show up at the last Tea Party in Charleston, on April 15, when [Gov.] Sanford spoke,” said Parks, a contractor who lost his job earlier this year and quickly found work as a volunteer with the Tea Party movement. “We’re expecting fewer people this time, but I’d love to have to eat my words.”

Image by: Matt Mahurin

Image by: Matt Mahurin

With no great fanfare and little national media coverage, the people who organized the April 15 Tea Parties are gearing up for a new day of protests against government spending and higher taxes. Hundreds of rallies will take place, at least one in every state, in public places and in parks rented out for the occasions. Many of the same people are involved. Most of the conservative organizations that aided the last rounds of rallies are on board for the sequel, such as FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity. A proliferation of sites run by those groups and sites run by grassroots activists are pointing curious activists to rallies ranging in size from barbeques to a rally in Dallas that organizer Phillip Dennis promises will be “the biggest Tea Party in the history of Tea Parties.”

In the run-up to the first round of Tea Parties, conservative activists were aided enormously by coverage from Fox News and the endorsements of many Republican stars. Fox News ran dozens of segments about the events, dispatching five of its stars — Sean Hannity, Greta Van Susteren, John Gibson, Glenn Beck, and Neil Cavuto — across the country to cover them live. Newt Gingrich endorsed the events, speaking at a Tea Party in Times Square and dispatching talking points to protesters through his American Solutions organization. Dozens of Republican members of Congress spoke at the events. Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele passed up an opportunity to attend a Chicago Tea Party after being denied a speaking slot, but in May he told RNC members that the tide was turning against the Obama administration because “change is being delivered in a tea bag.”

But the collaboration between the official Republican establishment and the Tea Parties has not lasted into June. The RNC has no plans to get involved with any Tea Parties. A spokesman for Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio), who jaunted around northern California to attend several Tea Parties, said that his holiday plans were private but would probably not include Tea Parties. Gingrich will not attend any of the Tea Parties, although he recorded video messages for events in Birmingham and Nashville “at the request of the respective organizers,” according to spokesman Dan Kotman.

Media coverage has also gotten a little bit more scarce. Coverage on Fox News has largely been limited to interviews with Tea Party organizers on the network’s morning shows. While sources at Fox would not discuss their plans for covering the weekend events, they confirmed that no anchors would be attending and that the attendance and news value of the events looked to be lower than that of the April rallies. Tea Party organizers are counting, instead, on local news coverage and on distributed reporting such as the conservative news site PajamasTV, which hosts an “American Tea Party” show and has asked readers to submit their own videos from their rallies.

“There are legitimate journalistic reasons for why there’s less coverage this time around,” said Seton Motley, a spokesman for the conservative Media Research Center — a group that blasted CNN and MSNBC personalities for joking about the April 15 Tea Parties. “There aren’t as many rallies this time, and there was a novelty last time that isn’t there now. Also, if you’re talking about the networks that made light of the Tea Parties back in April, they might have realized that opposite of love isn’t hate. It’s indifference.”

According to Jenny Beth Martin, a national organizer of Tea Party Patriots, there are advantages to media hype and to media indifference. In April, when Martin helped organize the Atlanta Tea Party, Sean Hannity asked for, and got, a starring role in the event — a decision that brought national coverage and 20,000 people. “But I couldn’t meet many of those people,” said Martin. “This past Saturday, we had an impromptu rally to protest the cap and trade vote. On the fly, organized with Twitter and Facebook. Only 70 people showed up but I got to speak to everyone and get to know them.” Martin did credit the media attention of April with letting the Tea Party organizers “reach an audience we simply wouldn’t have been able to reach on our own.”

The result of all of this: lower expected attendance, with some of the difference made up by a more celebratory atmosphere. On April 15, the largest Tea Party in Texas was the Fort Worth rally featuring Gov. Rick Perry, who drew days of controversy for apparently endorsing the idea of Texas seceding from the union. The July 4 Dallas Tea Party, by contrast, will combine political speeches from columnist Michelle Malkin, Bosnia war hero Scott O’Grady, and local conservative activists with entertainment from ersatz Monkees drummer and singer Mickey Dolenz, a bluegrass Beatles cover band, and a program that lets kids edit themselves into rock videos (“Be a star — no talent required!”).

“We’re using the fireworks and the Monkees and the rest of that to attract people who never though they’d be at a Tea Party,” explained Phillip Dennis. “This is going to be much more of a celebration than a protest. It’s a celebration of the Declaration of Independence, and it’s going to be our own declaration of independence from an irresponsible government.”

Dennis and the Dallas organizers are hoping for a turnout of 50,000 people, and hoping for it despite a ban on politicians speaking from the stage. Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) had asked to come and to sign copies of his new book, but reeled from the restriction; retired Lt. Col. Oliver North pulled out of the event for the same reason. (DeMint will appear at the event in Charleston, the only Republican senator making such an appearance this weekend.) Without Republican politicians getting involved, Tea Party organizers can speak openly about their plans to replace them. Asked what, if any, the political impact of the April 15 events was, Dennis suggested that it was “getting Sen. Arlen Specter out of the closet as a Democrat.”

“I think of the Tea Party Movement as a play in three acts,” said Michael Patrick Leahy, a Nashville activist who has clashed with other Tea Party organizers, but who is speaking at the Dallas event. “Act one was to protest the socialist statism that we don’t believe in. The second act is happening on Saturday when we celebrate the Constitution that we do believe in. The third act will be taking actions to restore limited government.”

Leahy pointed to the more independent, more attention-getting activists as the most likely way that the Tea Parties will evolve. One example: Phil Valentine, a radio host who has launched GivetheSenateSomeBalls.com, a campaign to supplant the tea bags that activists had been sending to Congress with brightly decorated sports balls, using some scatological humor to encourage the upper house to block Democratic plans.

“The idea for the balls campaign came to me as I was sitting around waiting to go on at a Tea Party event this past Monday,” said Valentine. “People are just beginning to send their balls to their senators.”

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thesavage10
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

Where were all these Republican tea parties when Bush was destroying this country? They stood back and watched, well it’s going to take years of spending to fix what Bush did, and that’s a BIG IF it can be fixed so get used to it. Now they complain and want to blame it on Obama. Keep it up Republicans and soon you will need to learn to speak Chinese, try caring about this country for once and help instead of whining all the time, you lost the election and thank God for that. Do some deep thinking and be true to yourselves about Bush and if you have a brain you will see just what that man did to this country.


Gregory Newman
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

Barrack Obama just passed the biggest tax cut in history. And these guys love Ronald Reagan, he guy who raised taxes on the middle class.

Pathetic.


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mycookie100
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Bush redistributed 80% of the wealth, to 2% of the population, making these teabaggers the biggest IDIOTS on the planet!

HOW DID TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY HELP THESE FOOLS, THEY DIDN'T! Nor did it help the economy.
OK AS* HOLES, tell ya' who the tax cuts helped. The WALTON FAIMLY, that's who.
They saved $80 BILLION IN TAXES, while you shop at Walmart, you also pay their employees health care.
Of course, if you live in the south, WE pay YOUR TAXES! The south are all welafre recipients, plus Alaska! You receive more in federal taxes than you pay in. That doesn't include the over $1 BILLION in tax subsidies received by the likes of Shelby and Sessions (AL), for FOREIGN AUTO MAKERS to build cars there.
No wonder Shelby was so upset about the GM help. It infringes on their foreign auto makers.
Hey shelby, WHERE'S YOUR GOOD OLD AMERICAN PATRIOTISM!

Imagine, people who live in trailers, 95% just got a tax cuts and NOW they're complaining!

What a bunch of idiotic, fricking hypocrites!


Regina
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

What a surprise! Boo-hoo – NOT!


californiadreamin2
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

What's ironic about all these brain-cell-challenged yahoos' rhetoric–Obama is a socialist fascist tyrant bent on the total destruction of all that is holy and American–is that it is in fact the ideologies they support: market fundamentalism; free trade; and American exceptionalism, that have brought America to its knees and prematurely ended the era of American hegemony.


Alex Aloi
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

The coverage of these events has been terrible. At the first Tea Party (which I attended) in Albany NY there was an extreme diversity of opinion in the crowd of 3,000. You wouldn't have known that watching the coverage however. Yes there were many who were there to deride what they view as Obamas socialism, and yes there were scary gun nuts who couldn't wait to “drill here, and drill now” but there were also people like myself. People who did not try to devolve the argument to capitalism v.s. socialism, who are tired of our money going to torture and unjust war, and who came out strongly in support of national healthcare, Gay rights, and love and compassion for all. The media unfortunately focused on the fringe and turned the whole event into a sham, in the process allowing people like Limbaugh and Hannity to co-opt an otherwise legitimate gathering.

It was not so long ago that we entered a war (largely popular mind you) on lies and deceit. Those like myself who spoke out at the time were looked at as “the biggest idiots on the planet”. At every turn we were countered by the corporate media and made to look foolish. Now we are in one big mess. I fear that we are walking down the same path here. You may not agree with these people but by not allowing them to be heard you are moving them closer and closer to the conservative fringe you all fear.

That being said I have to strongly disagree with Mr. Weigals assessment of the movement. Tea bagging has been pushed to the fringe to be certain but it is far from losing steam, many of these groups have been around for a very long time and have the staying power and resources to be around for alot longer. The people behind it are passionate, hard working, and for the most part good people with legitimate concerns they are however becoming more and more radical as there voices continue to go unheard. As the economy continues to falter (as it will for some time) this movement will only grow for better or worse. It is up to us and those like Mr. Weigel to take this opportunity to engage in open dialogue not mocking pot shots from a distance (I think we all had enough of that the last 8 years). We must come out in force to take back a movement that has been co-opted by demagogues and bring legitimacy to it.

The fact is this movement is hear to stay for some time. How we deal with it is up to us I just hope we do not make the same mistakes of the last 8 years.


patisok
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

Maybe the tea partiers wise up to the fac that the GOP president and Treasuary Sec. really let this whole Wall Street thing get out of hand. Maybe …just maybe the truth has been found.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:46 pm

It’s the spending you idiots! If BO would stop printing and spending money on power grabs, this would not be happening. I have never been an activist until now and it is because I believe we have someone in charge of our government who DOES NOT have the best interest of our citizens at heart. Wasted money is not a partisan issue!


reggiebaby
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

Only right wingers protest things that haven't happened. No one's taxes have gone up. This is really funny!!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Nice try. You can try and marganilzie us and call us racist, etc. if you wish. This is not a race issue as much as you would like to make it that simple and emotional. Most of us would give anything to see Condi Rice in office right now.

We will not take the bait and will not be marganilized by baseless accusations like this. Go read the next chapter of Rules for Radicals and try again.


ahrcanum
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

No you are missing the whole point- they haven't buried Michael Jacson yet- people are in mourning and so is the media.


mim132
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

Where is the outrage when Bush spent 3 trillion on a pathetic war that did nothing but create human casualties? Obama attempts to something more proactive, and this is the response. How many of there protesters will benefit from Obama's plans? Most likely the majority of them.


NewsCorpse
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:12 pm

I just can't stop laughing…..

One tea party supporter above thinks it's better to have 70 people attend than 20,000 because she can meet all 70 of them.

Another thinks that Mickey Dolenz is going to be big draw (probably get them the 70 people they hope for).

But most of all, Phil Valentine's campaign to send balls to the senate. Seriously? After being mocked for the ridiculous imagery of teabagging he wants to compound the damage with the image of people sending their balls to congress?

I swear, these guys are going to put Jon Stewart out of work. The comedy writes itself.


atlobserver
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Fox News killed the Tea Parties, albeit inadvertently.

They turned it into a big Republican rally when it was supposed to be about the general resistance against *both* the Dems and Republicans' taxing schemes.

I have friends who are Libertarian who were very enthusiastic about the Tea Parties beforehand who left afterwards with a bitter taste in their mouth on how TV personalities and politicians attempted to make the event about them instead of the philosophies being espoused.

Now their cause is undermined because whenever they talk about being part of a Tea Party, strangers are inclined to think “oh, the latest Republican strategy…” instead of “oh, a sincere group of citizens who desire a different outlook on taxes in this country.”

Fox News got what they wanted out of it…..but people who recognize that the Repubs are as guilty of this type of taxing as the Dems were left out in the cold.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Actually I don’t need to marginalize you, you seem to be marginalizing yourselves. And why would you want someone from the Bush Administration to be in office right now? Seriously I think when you go to your ‘patriotic’ Tea Party you should look and pay attention to those amongst you that are not there for America, but for the downfall of this great country and the melting pot that it is.

My sources btw are the Anti-Defamation League but you would consider that liberal propaganda.


Name
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

ERSATZ Monkees drummer and singer Mickey Dolenz

No.

The word you want is ERSTWHILE


Anonymous
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 9:22 pm

The overall budget proposal by the white house is almost 2 trillion dollars over budget for this year alone. Regardless of who spent more or less that amount is ludicrous…


Name
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

I'd really like a conservative to explain the many discrepancies in their policies and values. For example, they protest spending, and yet support Palin. Palin takes money from the oil companies in Alaska, gives it to the people (like a socialist, another accusation the conservatives level without justification at the Obama administration) — to the tune of 3k a citizen, so no small potatoes there. And then Palin hires lobbyists to get huge amounts in federal money (our tax dollars) to spend on infrastructure in Alaska (one of the highest welfare states in the nation).

Then when Obama gives federal money for infrastructure, these same conservatives (Palin, et al) accuse him of spending too much, etc.

What do they have against balancing their own budgets, and not spending federal dollars to hand out free money to the citizens (buying votes), but rather putting that money to work in their own state — being self-sufficient- and thereby saving hundreds of millions of dollars from the federal budget?

It just makes no sense. You can't say you're against pork when you lobby for pork and give out checks to your citizens from the oil companies — making the rest of the country pay for your state's infrastructure- and then protest federal spending on infrastructure.

It's patently absurd and hypocritically ridiculous.


catsmom
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

I attended the Charleston SC teaparty. There were 2500 people there. Parks is lying when he says 6000 people attended.


herewegoagain
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

““We’re using the fireworks and the Monkees and the rest of that to attract people who never though they’d be at a Tea Party,” explained Phillip Dennis. “This is going to be much more of a celebration than a protest. It’s a celebration of the Declaration of Independence, and it’s going to be our own declaration of independence from an irresponsible government.”

Yeah, using all that stuff, not to mention the one date out of the year that is guaranteed to lure people out of their home, to attract people who have no idea they're at a “Tea Party.”

Typical rightwing deception.


herewegoagain
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

You'll never get a palinbot to answer these questions. They'll just accuse you asking them because you hate that she didn't get an abortion.


herewegoagain
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

“Yes there were many who were there to deride what they view as Obamas socialism, and yes there were scary gun nuts who couldn't wait to “drill here, and drill now” but there were also people like myself. People who did not try to devolve the argument to capitalism v.s. socialism, who are tired of our money going to torture and unjust war, and who came out strongly in support of national healthcare, Gay rights, and love and compassion for all.”

You seriously appeared at one of these Tea Parties to protest that the government wasn't supporting healthcare reform, gay rights, love, and compassion enough? And didn't get tarred and feathered??


herewegoagain
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:58 pm

I mean, this just makes no sense. It's like setting up a food bank for the homeless at an Ayn Rand conference.


Name
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

No, ERSATZ is correct in its usage here. Mickey Dolenz was a fake drummer for an imitation band.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

Tax cut? Cap and trade will be a tax on everyone in the country regardless of income. Cow fart taxes are in that bill. Are you kidding me? Tax incentives cannot be the answer, it has to be “punitive” taxes for the liberals. Socialized medicine is just another tax increase that is coming.

Why are you punishing the doers and rewarding the ACORN organizations of the world?


Julie
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

I believe you meant “erstwhile” instead of “ersatz” in the ninth paragraph.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

I just have to wonder why liberals always have to bring it back around to race and scream that we are racists if they don’t agree. Is it because you think it will scare us off of a rational argument? You libs scream racism like the little boy that cried wolf. As for you race baiters, get over it and argue on the merits. I don’t care what color your skin is or who or what you sleep with. You are either for liberty and self-dependancy or you want the government to take away from the producers to reward the non-producers. Asking and expecting the government to solve all my problems is surrendering freedom and I choose not to give anyone that much control over my destiny.


markdouglas
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

Tea Party had no focus — much ado about nothing. For example, Newt's tax plan is to exempt all unearned income from taxation — just have ordinary work and small business pay taxes. So his plan is bogus and deceptive. Another group that hooked onto TeaParty is the lunatic Fairtax movement — and that plan is a huge NEW hidden tax on the government. That's right — Fairtax fine print has almost half the revenue coming from a massive new hidden tax on all state and local government, although not one mayor or governor has any idea about it.

So two of the major Tea Party backers would not dare expose their plans — what is left is a bunch of well meaning folks who don't know how to put on an organized effort. They don't have a rallying cry — their rhetoric is empty and vague, it won't attract the public.

FOX and talk radio are leaving these few remaining folks to attract their own crowds. It wont work.


Name
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

Aaaand, a “fake” drummer is going to perform how, exactly? Give it up. He _used to be_ in the Monkees. The author should have used “erstwhile”. It's a common mistake made by many ersatz writers.


TomMaske
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

The fact that Stormfront, the most popular white supremacist Internet forum, is pushing out members to become local organizers of the “Tea Parties” not to mention to involve themselves in the events is what the “Tea Parties” are now. Recruitment parties for the most far right, and hate mongering groups in this Nation. Do we really need people to organize a 'grassroots' movement for the true White Neo Nazis and their allies the “Birthers”? I don't think so. Why don't you do something constructive like collect one million cans of food for our nation's food banks, food pantries and shelters – helping those that are already hurting in this economic crisis we are in?


oiseau
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

(”Be a star — no talent required!”). Well that pretty much sums up the republican party!


bucephalus
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

I disagree with the oil rebate in Alaska. Do you agree with Obama on every piece of his agenda or past policies?


FortuneTeller
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 5:48 pm

I guess the 'grass roots' didn't take…Faux is so out of touch they thought their pretend new agency speaks for the average American. When will they get a clue???
By the way what tribe is the young white chief representing? Also, does the little blond girl have any idea that she is being indoctrinated or does she truly understand the issue?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:51 pm

So you believe that people that have been laid off because of the horrible economy are not worthy of help? Is that what you are trying to extrapolate upon? Banks Foreclosing homes, and putting people on the street, is what? Justice being served to the ‘non-producers’?

I mean my suggestion of going out and helping others in these hard times is now seen as taking away from the producers to feed the non-producers is it? Because if you want to use that kind of description, that is just fine – just know that is the kind of thinking that makes people numbers. Which is just perfect for your big bad government fears, since we are all numbers to those politicians. God forbid we look upon our fellow man as another human being. They are simply ‘non-producers’ that can rot in your book. That’s just perfect. There is no reasoning with people that do not open their eyes and look around themselves. So there is no reasoning with you, thus I’m finished discussing ‘politics’ and humanity to you.


luschnig
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

To these TEA people I say: If you want to take a drive, carry a bucket of asphalt in the trunk of your car and make a road. Want national defense, wear camo and personally guard the coast. You want a school, put up a chalk board in your living room; a hospital, paint one of your bedrooms white. These people are adolescents, they want everything but they don't want to pay for it.


jdcw
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

Tea Party movement losses steam?????

over 1,000 people yesterday in Jacksonville equal to the tax day Tea Party.


Iskra
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

No more taxes is what they want? Hilarious coming from the welfare red-states.

The majority of the red states receive more federal money than they contribute to the federal coffers making the rest of us pay taxes to support them.

If we reduce taxes let's start by cutting off their gravy train and see what happens.


Iskra
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:03 pm

Once again I have to point out, those states most vocal in their hate of taxes actually receive more federal money than they contribute, which makes it a complete joke.

If we reduce taxes then let's start by cutting off welfare for these states first and see what happens. Won't be long until there's no more cattle in Montana and Arizona is empty.


Isabella
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

If the Republicans were in control of the WHite House, would their be a Tea Party? No. Would there be major economic changes? Or do economic -101 tea partiers believe the Repubs would do something different to help jump start this economy in cardiac arrest? How about if they pulled a Milton Friedman/Ayn Rand (their main cult leaders) double arm lock and just DIDNT give out any stimulus money at all to banks? Hmmm…would the banking elite that largely pays the GOP jump ship? These tea partiers dont know a thing about economics.


MO
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

I agree 100%! Where were these jackasses when Bush was blowing billions of our tax dollars on his ridiculous war in Iraq? Where was the outrage when BushCo was giving our tax dollars to Halliburton, KBR, etc by the truck load? These people have to be the biggest pack of morons that I have ever seen.


LaLee
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

No, but at least Obama actually know what he's doing regardless IMO whether or not you like what he's doing or how.


elmerg
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

“But, but…FUX news told me to protest and they are fair and balanced! It says so on right there on my Tevee…”

These people need to stay home, turn off the lights and close the curtains. Without taxes there would be no paved streets to drive their Hummers on, no military to protect them from “the tairists”, no schools to teach their pea-brained kids, no security at airports, no running water, no police, no law enforcement at all, for that matter, no safety regulations, no court system, etc.

I can think of a good place for their tea bags…


LaLee
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:23 pm

When a movement has to resort to “The Monkees” to attract crowd then it's safe to say that it has “loses steam” so to speak IMO.


sylhines
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:45 pm

When people have been used for over 30 years, in different fashions, by the GOP in their wedge games, you have to expect the fringe nuts will act out as the house built on cards come tumbling down. These tea baggers are what is left of the anti-gay; anti-abortion; bigots, sexist, confederate flag wavers; pro-war; pro-death penalty; religious scoundrels and snake oil salesmen. Even as the party is over some of the wing nuts must have a movement to cling to. Never mind the idea of who pays taxes and who receive the most from those taxes do not support their assumptions and campaign. They have been used, the smart ones realized this and have moved on, somewhat, but these people still do not realize how they have been used by the GOP. Now you see why the GOP supports dismantling public education and the use of religious schools to turn out the perfect zoombie, easy to influence politically and fleece their money from them. This is what Liberty U, Regency U, and Bob Jones U stand for, an uninformed populance.


Delguy
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

This should be good. These morons have no clue what the Constitution stands for. Taxes are neither the problem or the answer. They are at HISTORIC ALL TIME LOWS! It's a fact. President Stupid gave President Obama the worst economy in 70 years.STFU and let the man try and help us!!


nativegirl
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

This Tea Party garbage is as ridiculous as the GOP voters, senators, congressman and organizers. I think it really sucks to be a right wing radical right now, so I'm giving you a break. You look like little kids at junior high, setting up a school validictorian. How in the hell do you people survive?


davidstclair
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

It isn't the lack of RNC help or media help that is sinking the very notion of the “Tea Parties”. My sister, who still has a picture of George Bush posted to her refrigerator, went to a Tea Party in Richmond, Va in April. She said that it was mostly made up of — in her words — “a frightening collection of crazies. I didn't want to be photographed with them”. She said she came back disallusioned and wouldn't bother with another.


darkgable760
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

In what respect Charlie?


Godwhacker
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:50 pm

The tea parties were an attempt by mainstream Republicans to capture the mojo of the Ron Paul movement. The Republicans may not understand the constitution, but Ron Paul's supporters do. But how can you say that taxes are at historic lows. We had no income tax until 1907. The country did quite well for 131 years without any income tax. Those years were the historic low.


gabriel314
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Palin supporters and neocons chased all of the true conservatives (i.e. Ron Paul supporters) off.

Seriously. When my fellow former Paul supporters got back from the last rally, they were disgusted by the religious wingnuts and warhawks (many of us are atheists and all of us are anti-war/pro-defense types.)


sylhines
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

The use of symbols in the crowds caught my eye to. That is a very good point. The children are show the confederate flag and other corrosive symbols at a early age. They must reject such racist and sexist overtures on their own, when they come of age, or fall into the trap of acceptance because it is family tradition, or as southern bigots say, culture.


sylhines
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Come on now, some people did very well but the vast majority were told to eat cake. Taxes are a necessary evil, when handled properly, can be the engine of the public square. When given to defense contractors, as farm aid, business hand outs and other special interest not germain to the individual, it can be a bear.


swirlgirl
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:03 pm

Have to remind you Godwhacker- but, it didnt hurt that our country also had a large portion of it's population as FREE LABOR for most of those 131 years! That can help keep taxes at bay.


matthewhubbard
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

He may have been saying the Monkees were actors and not musicians.

As for editing mistakes, scatological humor means relating to feces, so references to balls don't count.


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bucephalus
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

Well we all know what opinons are similar too… I agree with the first post by 'Name'. It is hypocritical. But in the same spirit of that argument, Obama is planning on increasing the budget defecit (Spending money America doesnt have) more this year by itself (2009) to levels higher than combining the 8 Bush years? So I guess the arguement is not who is hypocritical but who is more hypocritical?

Personally I dont care for either…


davidstclair
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

I love the way California has been painted by the conservatives and conservative media lately. As if California hasn't been supporting those red states for years, at least since the 1930s. We here in the Golden State get back 79 cents for every dollar sent to Washington. Alaska and Virginia (OK, VA finally went blue and let's hope it stays that way) get over $1.20 for every dollar they send to DC. Along with the most of the south, these states are the real “welfare queens”, but you'd never know it from the rhetoric of the republicans in those states. (for the record, California's problem isn't disfunctional spending, it's a disfunctional constitution that makes it almost impossible to pass a budget, or at least a budget that addresses expenditures realistically).


itchcity
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:28 pm

Does the majority of the Tea Party demographic realize that they will be getting tax CUTS? Something they never saw in the past 8 years unless they made over $200,000?


bucephalus
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:35 pm

Not much worse I guess than college kids setting up protests under the command of tie dyed shirt wearing, angry white professors. Living on borrowed money, pizza, dope, and booze… The question is how do they survive?


richsmith
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:40 pm

No, “ersatz” is a German word meaning “replacement”, form the verb “ersetzen”. “Ersatz monkey” would be someone playing King Kong in a gorilla suit.


Name
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:48 pm

Woh fella', as soon as a reader spots “socialism” and “Obama”, he/she knows one is dealing with a “loony tuner”. You gotta' choose your words more carefully to maintain any degree of credibility.


dsincal
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

Well, they do have money, dope, pizza and booze…that's enough to survive. Angry white professors in tie-die? Is it 1967?


JLowe
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

one thing not mentioned here: MAJOR phone banking for the 4/15 round. my republican granpda was phone banked repeatedly, multiple calls per day, until he relented to a 30 minute sales pitch to attend, plus a lengthy survey that kept going back to the sales pitch. I wonder what major dollars went to fund that effort.


ahermit
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Well they are getting support from one constituency…

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/Extremism_72/5560_7…

“White supremacists and neo-Nazi hate groups plan to take advantage of the anti-tax “Tea Parties” set to occur in more than 1,000 cities and localities over the July 4 holiday weekend to disseminate racist fliers and other materials and attempt to recruit others to their cause, according to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL)…”


hearthstone
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 7:56 pm

And their hit song 'Hey, hey we're the monkey's' suggests more than they might want to admit.
Setting aside the obvious Darwinian reference most Repub's prefer not to acknowledge, it also suggests that they might work for banana's….
We all might be working for banana's if we follow their path.


TheSagaciousOne
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:01 pm

“They [taxes] are at HISTORIC ALL TIME LOWS! It's a fact.”

Accounts Receivable Tax
Building Permit Tax
CDL license Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Dog License Tax
Excise Taxes
Federal Income Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon)
Gross Receipts Tax
Hunting License Tax
Inheritance Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
Liquor Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Personal Property Tax
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Service Charge Tax
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Tax
Sales Tax
Recreational Vehicle Tax
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-recu rring Charges Tax
Telephone State and Local Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago. What in the world happened?
Can you spell 'politicians!'


Progressive_Pedro
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

On the date of the first “Tea Parties” middle-class Americans received the largest federal income tax reduction in decades. No mention of that, just a bunch of yelling about “socialism” and “high taxes” — I wonder how many of those folks actually earn over $250,000 a year. Many of them, make not much more than $30,000 a year and as a result, paid no income tax in 2008. Yet these same people want police protection, public schools, drivable roads, safe bridges, first responders and street lights. In the face of all of the actual facts about the situation, they've got a meme and they just can't let go. Why think about anything if you've got something that sounds good when you yell it. I had to laugh on the 15th of April. I got paid that day and found that I had an additional couple of hundred bucks in my paycheck. The way they want to do it brought us to this unholy debacle of a financial melt down and yet, they still want to back a losing horse. The definition of insanity if doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. I'm delighted to see that more young Americans can separate the idea of socialism and what it represents from the out-dated and ignorant “socialism=communism=repression.” What, exactly, are the rights that our government are planning to take away from you that insurance companies don't already? There's already a bureaucrat standing between you and your doctor. Only it's the insurance guy who wants to tell you that they won't pay for your surgery or they rescind your policy on spurious reasoning. When was the last time there was a phalanx of tie-dye wearing, pot smoking, social justice hippies protesting in your area? The 60's are over. Stop the knee-jerk reaction and let's start try to work together and find solutions to the problems we face rather than picking teams and accusing the other side of being sub-human. It's our country together. We are all Americans. We need to realize that the enemy is not necessarily within. Rabid partisanship on either side is going to destroy us.


jumpysnark
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:09 pm

Wow, does that make Mickey Dolenz a Nazi? Take the last train to Nuremberg…


Progressive_Pedro
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

All of those “taxes” (and be real, some of them are service fees and registration fees) help to provide you with cops, firefighters, EMS, street lights, sewer services, public safety, and helps to provide aid to aged and indigent seniors with serious health problems that need assistance. You all want these services but you don't think they need to be paid for? It's not just “politicians” it is also their constituents that went to their government and asked for them. What is so wrong with providing public assistance to the indigent and aged? It seems to me, for all the Christianists out there, that these principles are what Christ promoted. Care for the sick, elderly and those amongst us with the least power. Feeding children of the working poor, providing those children with health insurance so they can be kept healthy and able to go to school and make a better way for themselves. I'd rather pay taxes that will help people than pay for two wars of choice of questionable legality and premise.


sylhines
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

Now that Palin has resigned her office she will be available to attend the tea parties around the country. Calling all haters, function at the junction.


jojo77
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

Former Congressman Virgil Goode, Delegate Danny Marshall and parade of other wing nuts will speak at rally in Danville, Va.


eatyourfeedback
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:31 pm

<”I can think of a good place for their tea bags…”>

LOL! Me too :)

Everything you said was spot-on. Those who participated in these tea bag protests would be the first and loudest to scream about the loss of everything taxes pay for, as is always the case. Clearly they haven't the first clue about the purpose of having taxes – let alone what socialism or communism are. It was sadly apprent that the tea bag protests were nothing more than badly organized temper tantrums that gave the ignorant masses an opportunity to vent in a public forum. It should come as no surprise to anyone that they accomplished nothing.


JohnJay60
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Oliver North was invited?

Let's not forget – he sold weapons to Iranian terrorists used to target civilian shipping in the Gulf. (Not a crazy-conspiracy fact – check any newspaper from that era.)

So conservatives support a guy who supports Iranian terrorism? I believe in a strong America – that's why I vote against Republicans whenever I can.


bucephalus
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

No problem! I detest both parties. I want the un-cola. But, if the 60's are over then when was the last time you saw an anti-war demonstration? And last I checked our military is still in Iraq and Afghanistan?

#1. On the agenda. Cut spending first! Just like with the home budget. Try and do more with less. In lieu of raise taxes on anyone! What happened to be being fair.

#2. Regulate big business more and small business less. Just like a lawn dont trample it but dont let the weeds take over either.

#3. No cap and trade! Make sure that industries are doing as much as reasonably possible to limit pollution but dont make them give money to business who pollute less?

#4. Get out of my life! If I want an incandescent bulb, transfatty acid, big mac, or a cigar, I should be allowed to have one. Dont penalize me anymore for it. Want to tax cigs? Fine, then use the tax to pay for what it costs taxpayers in health premiums for smoking related health problems and remove that amount from my income tax/federal budget.

#5. Income tax is stupid. Rather than all the loopholes and armies of the rich's tax lawyers use to evade them tax the luxuries. Tax Retail goods and services and trade. Give the poor man every dollar he earns upfront. Let him decide what to spend his money on. When my boss buys a Dodge Viper dont let him write it off. Tax the piss out of it.

I try not to eat fast food too much. I try and shut off all of my electric machines. I try and not to waste gas for unnesecary trips. I try to save water. Not because the govt and environmentalist want me too but rather I like to save money. But I also like to splurge a little and have a nice lawn, a pick up truck, a big dog, a beer and a cigar. Is that so bad?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:40 am

What did Bush do to try to fix the economy? Put money back in the pockets of most Americans through economic stimulus. What has Obama done? Pushed shaddy bills through the House and Congress without allowing the people voting on them to even read them, including earmarks to help the districts most of the officials that they need their votes the most. After the fact we find out that there is a TON of earmarks that Obama vowed to stop the moment he was elected, hmmmm.. Where has Obama sent TARP? To the banks and auto companies that were TOO BIG TO FAIL. Under this administration, we are printing money at a record rate. Government spending today is higher now than it ever has been at any point in history for any country in the world! BTW is it just a coincidence that Obama chooses to support the President of Honduras that wants to become a dictator, while not supporting the people of Iran who wish to protest their Dictator???


bucephalus
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:49 pm

Taxes continue to go up under all administrations and the service gets worse… I guess under your logic let the goverment raise our children since they will do it better and love them more? Let me take care of others and provide assistance… And yes we should stay the he11 out of countries that dont prove to be a real threat to the US or its allies.


levon
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 8:59 pm

I noticed two typers of people at the tea party I went to.
Distraught libertarians with poignant signs, a sense of civic duty, and strong support for Ron Paul. These folks were distraught because what could have been an event reviewing politically incorrect history, empowering individuals to be responsible for themselves, and teaching Austrian economics….

The second group of people just seemed well… they were cheering for things I couldn't cheer for.
Public money going to this group or that group…
This money dealing senators success in races over here give him your support etc etc.
This irrelevant bills success over here etc etc

I feel like I experienced a public stoning at the tea party I went to as well. It was a horrible event hosted by the local republicans. Nothing except empty platitudes about how great we are and about how badly the democrats are messing up with their majoprity etc Obama is bad etc….

It was a sad day for America and a sadder day for liberty.


Kevin Hall
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 9:01 pm

The funny thing is that the tea party movement is failing because the policies endorsed in the rallies were idiotic. No one wants to admit this. They had no real policy, just a bunch of complaining and name calling, the things Palin supposedly dislikes so much. Hate never wins.

http://kevinhallshow.com/?p=89


Susan
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 9:08 pm

Sorry there was a study done that showed most of our deficit, close to 40%was due to Bush policies (some of which was continued by Obama sad to say) and the cyclical nature of our economy. Obama's policies (including the stimulus) accounts for a very small portion of the debt, 7% I believe.


Swami_Binkinanda
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

Teabaggin like your great great great grandmomma did back in the war. Great slobbery teabagging like hasn't been seen since Stonewall. Old Hickory sure knew how didn't he?


mprightwing
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 9:15 pm

Considering the fact that the left controlled media pays no coverage to anything that isn't in step with the obama agenda, it is kind of a lost cause-I think the right will just allow the left to totally implode-which has begun-and we will see where the chips fall!


Linzack
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

Republicans once again failed in their attempt to stir things up. They are the party of the
f*%$ked up and need more than a tea party to save them. Now their pride and joy, Alaskan Governor Palin has been driven from office. Sanford from SC is next. It's all downhill from here. D.


Karen
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

Those so called tea parties never had steam in the first place. The religious, warkhawk wingnuts used the movement to let off steam because the Dems won the election. With the help of their conservative media outlets, they also used the occasion to remind the world of their innate hate, hypocrisy, and ignorance on how to effectively come up with new ideas to govern.


Name
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

Muhahahahhahahha. Yeah, sure. That old “all the media is lefty” stuff. Yeah, just leave the left alone and let them clean up the HUGE mess your incompetent greedy bastards left.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 9:59 pm

The singularity is nigh! Weigel and I somewhat agree on something, albeit for different reasons.

If anyone's going to a “party” tomorrow, please read my extensive summary of the movement first.


hyjanks
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

Oh, darn! And I was looking forward to having another one of their little get-togethers at the corner of 9th Street and Highway 50 in my home town.
The last time these folks showed up for their rally, it looked like a freak show complete with balloons, amateurish placards rife with misspellings and really angry faces–even on the kids they towed along.
I asked one of the participants if he knew that Obama was going to give a person of his modest means a tax cut and not a tax increase. He shouted something about “No nigger ever giving him anything!” At that point I considered discretion being the better part of valour, and just left the confused riff raff behind.


BostonTeaParty
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:14 pm

We shouldn't let the RNC and the corporatist right take over these Tea Parties. Without Fox News 24/7 infomercials and the paid organizers of Freedom Works, it's no surprise that things are not as big. What about the march on Washington on Sept. 12? Some of the signs and messages at our 4/15 Boston event were racist and knee jerk anti-Obama. The guy is trying to clean up a 20 year Bush/Clinton/Bush mess –and people are already dumping on him?


BostonTeaParty
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

Left controlled media? Fox News made media history–for a major network –and became de facto co-organizers of the 4/15 tea party. They did advance stories and provided coverage all day. It was amazing and helpful to the turnout. I've never seen networks actively mobilizing people for a political event. Without Fox News, we would have had 40 people, not 400. Thank you Fox News!!!!


MARILYN
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

I DONT CARE WHAT ANY ONE SAYS. EVERY SINCE OBAMA WAS TOTALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SEEMS TO HAVE GONE INSANE. SAYING THING YOU ONLY THINK. BUT EVEN IN YOUR MIND YOU WOULD NO IT SOUNDS CRAZY. BUT NOW THERE ARE ALL THE WAY BAT CRAP CRAZY. AND I NO THEY KEEP ASKING THEMSELVES.(HEY!!! WHO LET HIM IN


hyjanks
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

Spoken like a true Christian. You really need to read something in your bible other than Leviticus.


Susan
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:25 pm

With this type of Wingnut thinking my only comment is GOD BLESS AMERICA and its' people. The unselfish ones.


libertarianforever
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:31 pm

Do you dopes like to pay more taxes? If so, I should just quit my job so you all can take care of me. That is the point of the tea parties, people, it taxes. As Clinton said: It's the economy, stupid! Higher taxes means more jobs shipped overseas, less GDP for us, and less tax revenue for the government. WE ARE NOT ALL CRAZY TURN OFF YOUR CAP LOCKS


Bartleby
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:32 pm

Mickey Dolenz has drunk the Tea Party Kool-Aid?


bucephalus
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

Huh? What does religion have to do with this?


cathy
Comment posted July 3, 2009 @ 10:53 pm

“No taxation without representation?” Did someone cancel the election in November? Or do you get to claim “no representation” when your side LOSES? (I would love to ask some of these “activists” if they voted Nov. 4th. I'm willing to bet that the answer for most of them would be “no.”)

The real irony is that most of these tax protesters will pay less taxes under Obama. Or I may be mistaken; maybe all these people make over $200,000 a year. McCain planned to give the vast majority of his tax cuts to that income bracket.


csavage
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 12:01 am

With Reagan and Bush 1 failing to decrease the size of government from it's usual 30% of the GDP and Bush 2 actually increasing the size of government with his addition of the duplicate Department of Homeland Security and Medicare D, it's obvious that all these “conservatives” are protesting is that a black man is running the US of A. What media outlet wants to be labeled “racist”?


rogerhwerner
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:05 am

By all means please do provide a citation for your statement that higher taxes mean more jobs shipped overseas and less GDP for citizens? All you;re doing to repeating conservative talking points dating back to 1980 and I for one am tired of hearing them because they aren't correct. There's no direct correlation between tax policy and growth; never has been. Our economy grows or shrinks irrespective of tax policy or did you fail to note the largest peacetime economic spurt in US history after the 1992 Bush tax increase. The only dopes are people who are so ideologically driven they can;t bring themselves to see reality.


rc_1849
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:09 am

I still don't understand what your protesting? You got a tax break under Obama and that made you mad? I think you Tea Party people have taken voting against your own self interest to new heights! I suggest putting that tea in a glass with some ice and lots of rest.


rc_1849
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:28 am

I'm amazed at the hate spewed towards Cali, my hometown that I love! I thought we got 62 cents on every dollar, that was the last estimate I read? Either way, I want my money back from these ungrateful red states!


Simpleton
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:41 am

These tea parties fail because they are silly to begin with, meaningless, and have no basis in rationality.
The taxes under Obama have been the same as under Bush, and are expected to be raised for the wealthiest to what they were in the Clinton era. The top bracket will be 40%, it is at 36% today.

It was at 50% for the first six years of Reagan!

Seriously, you do not want to look like an idiot by being there since you have no idea what you are protesting now that you find different from Bush's rates.

FOX News took a gamble by pouring in some funds and free coverage. It did not get them the ratings boost so they have, wisely, bailed


Simpleton
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:44 am

Holy cow!

Did these taxes exist under Bush for the last eight years? Where were the tea parties then?

BTW, around 100 years ago, blacks and women were not allowed to vote. Are you going to have a tea party to eliminate that, because it was that way?

The world changes.


Simpleton
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:46 am

So where were the protesters hiding during the Bush era? How about the Reagan era, when for the first five years, the rates were *higher* than they are today!

And Obama's tax rates are the same as under Bush.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 7:06 am

For the “frogs in the well” people like simpleton, you can never come out of the hold of bush vs obama or republican vs democrat BS. The reason that these taxes existed during bush or before does not mean that we should be comfortable now.

I hated bush as much as I am hating obama now. I thought obama stood for real change and championed for civil rights and antiwar platform. His true colors now clear make me puke as much as they did when bush in office.

Tea parties are a way of protest for the wrong direction we are moving as a country from the last several decades.


Robert
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 2:20 am

Too bad these folks skipped history class. If they actually understood what the Boston Tea Party was about (hint, not really about taxation, see East India Company and monopoly) they would have come up with a better name.


dzent1
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 2:35 am

Boehner's holiday plans are private? Five bucks says he got Maria's phone number from Sanford…


pianofan
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 2:52 am

This comment about Dolenz crushed me also.


pianofan
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 3:00 am

That doesn't surprise me. These rallies are hate magnets.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 8:50 am

How about the fact that under Bush the billions of $ for TARP was passed and there was no “tea party” to protest it?

How about the fact that under Bush the billions of $ are spent on IRAQ war and there was no “tea party” to protest it either?

Now that there’s a democratic POTUS right wingers protested “the wrong direction we are moving as a country from the last several decades”?

Oh and as for Obama “anti war platform”, 150 IRAQI BASES has been closed and he already in his speech on February that the remaining troops will come home within a year.

Does that make you “puke”? /Sarcasm.


pasw
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 3:58 am

The Tea Party has taken on a new agenda. As a democrat I joined because I am tired of all the spending that is taking place! Um, how are we getting tax cuts if we are having taxes increased … afterall how do you think Congress is going to be paying for it all? Look into the other areas that Congress is trying to raise money via increases taxes for other programs. I join this week's tea party because I see our country being destroyed as our dollar becomes worthless and our finances being supported by China.


Mommy
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 4:03 am

Every group has their wingnuts! But look at the serious people that go the the tea party not the crazies and radicals. Don't generalize about a large group of people. I am not a religious wingut or a warhawk. But I would like to see my future grandchildren have a good life. So go to those tea parties and know that there are people that believe like you….you just have to take the time to TALK!


brian hayes
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 4:07 am

this website must be a tool of corperate america i rather have a government for the people stronger than corperation by the shareholders for the shareholders


Anonymous
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 9:13 am

You said: “What did Bush do to try to fix the economy? Put money back in the pockets of most Americans through economic stimulus.” and “Where has Obama sent TARP? To the banks and auto companies that were TOO BIG TO FAIL.”

Um, TARP was passed UNDER BUSH PRESIDENCY and the stimulus bill to help Americans was passed UNDER OBAMA PRESIDENCY.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 9:19 am

Do you own company whose tax is going up because of Cap and Trade bill?

Are you one of the people who make more than $250.000 whose tax are going up?

And what do you mean by “ACORN organizations of the world”?

ACORN is a DOMESTIC NATIONAL ORGANIZATION.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 9:23 am

You said: “It’s the spending you idiots!”

Were you also this angry when TARP was passed by BUSH?

“Wasted money is not a partisan issue!”

Do you also feel this way regarding the Iraq war?


Caren
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 4:24 am

The tea parties failed because only a small minority believes what those tea partiers believe. In fact, a lot of them didn't even really know why they were there. The messages were inconsistent, there was no real organization. People just showed up for the novelty of it. There is no “movement” here.


dzent1
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 4:26 am

Most of you guys sure love to whack each other off about these phony “tea parties”.

You are being played by the Big Boys at the top. So, you're making over 3 million a year, personally? Didn't think so. You are a tool being used by right wing con men. They don't give a crap about YOUR money – it's THEIR money that they've tricked you into both supplying and guarding. Don't be such suckers. Obama didn't drive America into a volcano, Bush did.

Nobody is raising your taxes; you are about to finally have a rational health care system so you don't lose everything to the SHARKS who deny your insurance claims so they can profit (look up Bill Maguire's 1.3 billion dollar compensation for being a figurehead); the country is finally going to staunch some of the insane bleeding of its treasury down Bush's rathole in Iraq; our country's infrastructure is about to be repaired while we attempt to get back some of the manufacturing jobs that have been off-shored by the idiotic trade policies of the last thirty years…on and on.

If you just need something to do, why don't you look around your neighborhood for victims of the Bush economic disaster and do what you can to help put food on their families?


Mike D
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 4:44 am

They just love regurgitating those mindless oversimplifications. Makes them feel knowledgeable.


Mike D
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 4:56 am

Idiotic…LOL… thank you.


GOOD
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 5:47 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHgxBb-zsQQ

The tea party held in Dayton Ohio back on April 15, 2009. I went to the second one, and only stayed there for at least twenty minutes. I was getting the feeling like these people were getting less than what they bargained for.

Selling T-Shirts, Hot Dogs, passing out propaganda, and flyers to businesses. That's what a tea party is! I guess protecting the businesses that are what “t-baggin” is for.


lordmi
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:15 am

That's a shame on Country's Greatest Holiday to do this crap with tea bags.
People, go home, love Your country and help it's President to overcome this hard time.
You, the ones on this “party” – Neither one got tax increase! None.
So, You care so much if McCain would pay a bit more tax from Cindy's beer?
Come on!
Take care of Your Own business.
Happy Holiday!


Wayne Cartmann
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:57 am

Cartman's tea party is so much better. Republican tea party is epic fail.


Kimberly Ashton
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 7:02 am

Republicans are the biggest America-haters there are. Worse than the French. Republicans are nothing but angry old men these days. Pessimists. Traitors. They want to secede from the Union? Let them grab their Confederate flags first.


RedGraham
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 7:12 am

Now if we could just get those pesky birthers to go away too.


Name
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 8:15 am

Please try to understand that the T.E.A. Party is not the Republican party, not the Democrat party, not the Greens, not Raiders. This is a new party, a simple, single-focus interest group which calls for tax reduction. Candidate Obama promised tax reduction for 95% of us; President Obama has yet to make good on that.

These rallies act a lightning rods for States Rights advocates, and talk of a third American Revolution is afoot. The President had better produce tax cuts, or Democrats will face a multi-party coalition in 2010 and 2012. Divide and conquer only works against monoliths. The independents are as likely to vote T.E.A. as Democrat.


Gina
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 8:34 am

This is typical of what passes for journalism these days: A headline “tea parties fail” before they've even happened. Heh! And the only “evidence” cited is the expectation of slightly less media coverage. Hello?!! News coverage is not what it is about. Neither is having big-name politicians on the stage. Isn't the left supposed to be expert about grassroots movements? You all are acting as if you've never heard of one. Obviously you can't see one when it's right before your eyes. If you think this movement is fizzling instead of heating up, you aren't looking at poll numbers, at Fox ratings, and at hit counters on conservative websites.

As for all these comments about Obama lowering our taxes, shouldn't we be happy with the bones he's throwing the middle class… You cannot be such dupes. Really, you cannot be so stupid as to actually believe an Obama presidency means paying less to the government. Take a look at the deficit numbers. Do you honestly think they are going to be turned around by modest tax increases only on the rich? Even “Obama supporter” Warren Buffett called his cap and trade scheme a regressive tax. Wake up. And come to a Tea Party! They're not just for Republicans, but for all people who are not going to stand for the statist power grab.


LaLee
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 8:55 am

Hey i check your profile and i see that you post comment as another person (pasw) WITH THE SAME DISQUS ACCOUNT.


LaLee
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 9:07 am

You said: “Candidate Obama promised tax reduction for 95% of us; President Obama has yet to make good on that.”

In case you don't know the stimulus bill provides TAX CUTS for people who makes LESS THAN $250.000.


chrismee
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 9:09 am

Well, whaddaya expect? Those costumes aren't cheap to rent, ya know?


LaLee
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 9:10 am

Actually the evidence of the “tea party” failure is that Obama's rating goes UP to 66% AFTER the 4/15 “tea party.”


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BCC_Meteorites
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 10:53 am

You had me on your side up until the last sentence where you want to put food on their families.


norman60
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:15 am

Tea baggers, May your counsel be turned into foolishness.


susanai56
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:21 am

I absolutely agree with you. From Australia – Happy 4th July.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:45 am

You can't just protest Obama and expect to pull this country back together.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:59 am

Name, you will see this happen on your 2009 tax return. What do you want, a check before you file for your return?


Leighton Hansel
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 12:16 pm

The Repubs just look at the Feds and taxes. When the Feds give less money to the states, the states find ways to increase their revenue stream. When the state cuts funds to the locals, the locals find ways to increase their revenue stream. So just looking at Fed taxes is short sighted and misleading, but it is what the Repubs do best. Focus on something that gives great sound bites, but does not address any of the nation's problems.


winnet
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 12:18 pm

I want my gross pay. I want a $559 prebate check. I don't want to have to file a tax return. Go FairTax. I am totally for the FairTax and my neighbor is totally against the FairTax; I should say he was. A few days ago he recived notice that the IRS was going to audit his 2007 return.


Jim
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 12:31 pm

I liked them better when they called themselves teabaggers.


winnet
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

Wake up people! Unemployment is growing by the day; it will soon reach 12%. Due to unemployment our government received $300 Billion less revenue during the first quarter of 2009 than during the first quarter of 2008. At this rate, how long do you fairytale believers think you will be receiving a tax brake? At this point the only way we can truly stimulate our economy is to completely change our tax base from income to consumption. Bring jobs back to America by eliminate corporate taxes. Give Americans a true stimulus package; give them their gross pay and a monthly prebate check. The prebate check alone will cover a huge portion of most Americans’ house payments; thus creating a huge reduction in forclosures. Go FairTax!


Dave_P
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

While you left wing moonbats are furiously typing away on your keyboards about the tea parties unemployment is rising and King Barry's poll numbers are dropping.

The fact is that only 7 months in it can already be seen that Eight Ball Barry is an abysmal failure. He and his lefty cohorts rammed the stimulus package through Congress without giving the American people time to examine it. Now they are trying to do the same thing with with the Cap and Trade tax and Sociliaized medicine and they're hemmoraging support because the American people have woken up to what Barry is really about, the government take over of every aspect of our lives.

So if it makes you feel better……….by all means write you little posts about “teabaggers” (how clever and original)……….bash the tea parties………….praise your false messiah.

The simple fact is that your stupid little posts don't mean a damn thing because come 2010 the Democrats currently trying to ruin this country by taxing us to death and regulating everything we do will be kicked out of office and there isn't a damn thing you freaks can do about it.

It's coming. Mr. hope and change is racing toward the cliff and you're all to f-ing stupid to see it.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

I would pay more attention if you'd mention that the Republicans made a big mess when they were running things and sure 'nuff participated in the bailout. That's why I'm a an independent now. Are you too stupid to see that? If so, don't bother kid.


BostonTeaParty
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

Amen Lordmi. Happy Independence Day everyone. Be thankful we now have a president who is sane.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:32 pm

If you want to protest something that might produce results, protest the War on Drugs and push for legalization of drugs for adults. All we are doing now is supporting drug cartels and the M-13 gang and whole bunch of crooked politicians. I would like see the gang members that have showed up in my community crawl back under their rocks when they can't make a living off of drugs. I would like to see Mexico not be a victim of the US drug policy. I want to see drugs get so cheap that people who want to keep using OD on them and help clean up America.

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Name
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:37 pm

If republicans are so patriotic why are they unwilling to pay for the basic infrastructure the country needs to be a great country? Things like education, mass transit, affordable energy, clean water, waste disposal, pensions and health care for the elderly are all things a great country needs. If you are so damn patriotic as you keep telling us then you should be willing to pay for these things.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:43 pm

They need to move to a small island produce their own food and clothes and everything else they need and then they would see the true meaning of the fair tax.


C Hanna
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 1:50 pm

You actually believe this is a result of Obama's
first 7 months, and has nothing to do with the Reagan revolution coming home to roost? Do you really?


Name
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 2:26 pm

Corporations already dont pay taxes. Look at the taxes paid over the last several years by the large financial institutions that just got bailed out. The answer is the opposite. Make the big corporations pay taxes which will give small companies that cant afford to shuffle money overseas a chance to compete fairly.


winnet
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

You are right corporations don’t pay taxes. They just pass them on to us in the things we buy. By raising corporate taxes all you will accomplish is a price increase for the consumer. We are seeing less and less made in USA tags; raise corporate taxes and you may not see any.


winnet
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

I am an independent and it just kills me when Republicans, blame Democrats for all our problems and Democrats blame all Republicans. We might accomplish much more if we were to eliminate our two party system. I just feel the more government controls the less freedom we have. I personally believe our federal government should only be responsible for national security, taking care of the elderly, controlling pollution, and maintaining federal highways and parks. All other expenditures should be handled by each state and the private sector.


lordmi
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 2:41 pm

Thank You.
I suddenly realized, that all last events with Reps just demonstrated their useless.
You know, like a person, who thinks just about himself pretends to be best friends of Yours.
Have a beautiful day in your beautiful country!
I am selling stuff on Ebay and have nice customers from Australia.
 
Mila


lordmi
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

Thanks :))
Not sane, but smart.
Don't You think President should think, not just blah-blah-blah?
 
Mila


JudiBug
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

The Tea Party members need to put things in context with reality.

Have you ever wondered what happened to those men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons in the Revolutionary Army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or the hardships of the Revolutionary War.

What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners, men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

In the face of the advancing British Army, the Continental Congress fled from Philadelphia to Baltimore on December 12, 1776.

It was an especially anxious time for John Hancock, the President, as his wife had just given birth to a baby girl. Due to the complications stemming from the trip to Baltimore, the child lived only a few months.

William Ellery's signing at the risk of his fortune proved only too realistic. In December 1776, during three days of British occupation of Newport, Rhode Island, Ellery's house was burned, and all his property destroyed.

Richard Stockton, a New Jersey State Supreme Court Justice, had rushed back to his estate near Princeton after signing the Declaration of Independence to find that his wife and children were living like refugees with friends. They had been betrayed by a Tory sympathizer who also revealed Stockton's own whereabouts. British troops pulled him from his bed one night, beat him and threw him in jail where he almost starved to death. When he was finally released, he went home to find his estate had been looted, his possessions burned, and his horses stolen. Judge Stockton had been so badly treated in prison that his health was ruined and he died before the war's end. His surviving family had to live the remainder of their lives off charity.

Carter Braxton was a wealthy planter and trader. One by one his ships were captured by the British navy. He loaned a large sum of money to the American cause; it was never paid back. He was forced to sell his plantations and mortgage his other properties to pay his debts.

Thomas McKean was so hounded by the British that he had to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Continental Congress without pay, and kept his family in hiding.

Vandals or soldiers or both looted the properties of Clymer, Hall, Harrison, Hopkinson and Livingston.

Seventeen lost everything they owned.

Thomas Heyward, Jr., Edward Rutledge and Arthur Middleton, all of South Carolina, were captured by the British during the Charleston Campaign in 1780. They were kept in dungeons at the St. Augustine Prison until exchanged a year later.

At the Battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson, Jr. noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the family home for his headquarters. Nelson urged General George Washington to open fire on his own home. This was done, and the home was destroyed. Nelson later died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis also had his home and properties destroyed. The British jailed his wife for two months, and that and other hardships from the war so affected her health that she died only two years later.

'Honest John' Hart, a New Jersey farmer, was driven from his wife's bedside when she was near death. Their thirteen children fled for their lives. Hart's fields and his grist mill were laid waste. For over a year he eluded capture by hiding in nearby forests. He never knew where his bed would be the next night and often slept in caves. When he finally returned home, he found that his wife had died, his children disappeared, and his farm and stock were completely destroyed. Hart himself died in 1779 without ever seeing any of his family again.

Such were the stories and sacrifices typical of those who risked everything to sign the Declaration of Independence. These men were not wild-eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged:

'For the support of this declaration,
with a firm reliance on the protection of the Divine Providence,
we mutually pledge to each other,
our lives,
our fortunes,
and our sacred honor.


scarybob
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

Dzent1's “put food on their families” was one of thousands of misstatements from “The Shrub” during the last 8 years.


roooth
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 3:05 pm

These people have no interest in “pulling this country back together”. They WANT to tear it apart.

They are basically nihilistic anarchists. They want to disassemble the federal government, be able to pick and choose for themselves which, if any, laws to obey, and they offer no replacement structure for the one they want to destroy.

We keep doing this thing where we ascribe values and motivations to the extreme right-wing of the GOP which are based, not on what they do, but on our belief that since we're all Americans, we share the same basic values. We do not. The extreme right-wing in this country is willing to encourage violence, domestic terrorism, even secession, to get their way. They are using hatred of Obama to rile up the willing to do their violence for them and then try to blame Obama for it.

And they aren't even doing it for any pure ideology. They hate that they have lost control so much that they would rather tear the whole country apart than acknowledge the fact that only a very small minority agrees with their lunacy.

I think we better start treating the threat they represent a little more seriously.


Bennett
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 3:08 pm

Silly fools remain silly fools.

The financial chaos created during the previous administration will haunt this country for years to come. As was said time and time again during the legislative process for the stimulus package, even with shovel ready programs on the books, it will take several months for money to be allocated. It was for this very reason that the stimulus package was passed so quickly. Even with the stimulus, it does not compare with the trillions of losses brought on by unregulated thieves in American high finance.

Let's be clear here, nothing is being rammed through Congress without the American people who are interested not having the time to examine it. We just experienced the longest campaign season ever in American history. The people were clear about which presidential candidate and which party it supported. We all had months and months of discussions on these very same topics. Our President is now Barack Obama and he has the political power and the support of the majority of the American people to push through his agenda. Snide and illogical remarks from poor losers won't change that. You are lost in the wilderness and your screaming is being heard only by a small radical fringe screaming similar drivel. In your anger you forgot about how your party not only drove themselves off the cliff but took the American economy and her decades long celebrated reputation along with it.

No one is calling him a messiah but fools, since it is only fools who would believe a messiah could actually save us from the mess that we have been dragged through over the past eight years. Our new president is doing his best to solve the many problems created by the previdous administration; polls continue to demonstrate that the majority of Americans support him in this endeavor. True, tea parties and the tea-baggers who have attended them, are pretty funny, if they didn't also demonstrate how racist, unpatriotic and unamerican a small fringe minority can be, especially in their ability to incite radical fringe elements which are willing to kill other Americans because they believe differently than they.

Your anger is palpable but it is also the anger of a loser, a political loser whose views are quickly becoming the purview of only a small, pitiful minority. That America is gone; a new America, more democratic, more diverse and more tolerant has replaced it, a new America which will also include a few radical old white men whose semi-automatic will be pried from his cold, dead hands.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

God, or providence as some say, blessed America and helped her win an unwinnable war and build a government and nation like which had never been seen before. But Americas threw their government to the dogs and now they fight over which dog is better. How sad. The enemy used to be a tyrant who gave America to the wealthy. Now the enemy is us because that's what we've been doing too.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 3:25 pm

They are like a child who gets a new sandbox with lots of sand but who throws all the sand out and then cries because they can't figure out that it was them.


Ron
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

Basics.


easywind
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Do any of you people actually think there is one iota of difference between the republicscums and democraps? Their only job is to get reelected, screw their constitutients and make war so the corporations can make ungodly profits.
We have representiaves, harry reid, mark sanford, larry craig, nancy pelosi, newt gingrich and sarah palin. I would not have any of them run the mailroom or be the dogcatcher yet these people run the country. Amerika has gone down the tubes and hasn't hit bottom yet.


gold
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

i think all tea party member need to go get a life thay have too much time on there hand thay need to help people who is in need


masher
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 5:01 pm

I hope they were not protesting on public lands, you know taxpayer supported land! I hope they only use private roads, attend private schools, use private police, breathe privately regulated air, and only expect to be protected by their private Army.

These people are un-American. They would shut down our VA hospitals if given the chance.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 10:20 pm

Where do you guys get this stuff? Who said anything about the
government raising your children? Health insurance for children of the
working poor isn’t an invitation to the government to raise your child,
it’s an invitation to keep your child healthy. You make assumptions
about my logic in a vacuum and that is inappropriate. I never accused
you of not loving your children and not being a good parent to them. I
couldn’t make that assumption and I’m loathe to do so. I believe in the
benefit of the doubt, innocent until proven guilty, and the right to
privacy. But I also realize that if I want services that are best
provided by the government (police, fire, EMT, FEMA) I need to pay
taxes. I also believe that the ability to give aid when needed can be
provided by the government. We’ve been saddled with administrations who
keep telling us that government is the problem and then they go and do
everything they can to undermine government’s effectiveness. Everyone
needs a boogyman I suppose and for some folks with little education and
a smaller world view, it’s easy to blame the government because it’s
faceless, big, and don’t you just figure that they must be up to
something?

Apparently, liberals for all the bad press they receive, are a bit more
willing to share the bounty of their harvest with those less able. For
all the railing about taxes, everyone likes the services that are
provided. The VA, one of the largest “socialized” medicine programs we
have in the United States consistently has lower operating costs and
higher patient satisfaction. Of course, getting the benefits is more
difficult than cresting Everest but once you’re in, you’re golden. We
hold more wealth than just about any other nation in the world. We
should be able to provide basic medical care to all who need it
regardless of circumstances. Health insurance for profit is a
ridiculous idea. As a result there is rampant rescission and patient
dumping. How can this be better than a public health insurance plan
administered by the government? I would rather pay my insurance
premiums to the government than to a company with a board of directors
and a focus on profit and maximizing the profit by cutting loose the
people who are paying for insurance and then get canceled. I, myself,
pay approximately $100 a month for health insurance and another $50 a
month for basic dental. I needed orthodontia and it was not covered by
my plan. I had to come up with the $5,000 myself. Another friend of
mine also had to get orthodontia and was in the same situation. His
braces cost him $7,000. What is really ironic is that my friend works
for a health care provider (Kaiser Permanente) and he has lousy health
benefits.

We’re now facing 10% unemployment. For those who actually had health
insurance provided by their employers are now uninsured since they’ve
been laid off. Plus we have 47 million or so other folks who are not
insured in any way. They still have kids, the kids still get sick, and
the kids still need medicines. Many people put off care or delay care
until the problem is acute and probably life-threatening and more
expensive to treat. Why should one illness send you into insolvency and
ruin you? There’s no reason why we can’t all get along on this issue.
Ethical and honest good government would help. However, whenever we
have an ethics scandal everyone is up in arms, promises of change and
more accountability are made, and then when push comes to shove, the
legislation is watered down to less than effective and business goes on
as usual. It is up to us to hold them accountable and make them pay
with their jobs for their malfeasance. We don’t.

Taxing those who make more than $250,000 a year is not a bad idea. I
make much less than that, and those that I know that make more than
$250,000 a year are certainly in a position to pay the additional tax
without really feeling it. I will take my middle-class tax cut thank
you very much. Those in my organization who make the most money, do it
with my assistance and my support and my own personal skill set that I
bring to my job. I’m perfectly fine having them pay more tax on any
amount they earn over $250k a year.

All the jokers who are screaming about government intrusion into their
lives are the ones who stood by and loudly cheered the Patriot Act and
the warrantless wiretapping by our government. It astonishes me that
people start yelling about government intrusion when the government
takes a census (constitutionally mandated every 10 years) or some sort
of government assistance program. People don’t get worked up about
something until it’s a program designed to help someone other than the
wealthy. We are not all going to be wealthy, so preserving the special
benefit to the rich makes very little sense to those making $50k a year
and yet folks constantly vote against their own best interest. You
don’t need to be college-educated to have common sense. Yet, common
sense is not common.

I fail to see how letting me “take care of others and provide
assistance” is a flaw or point of derision. Because I wish to alleviate
sickness and suffering isn’t a character flaw. I think it’s the only
decent thing to do. There is a place for collectivism. Not all
socialist countries are shaped in the Soviet paradigm. There are lots
of countries under a socialist system that continue to enforce your
right of free speech and your ability to have representational
government. No system is perfect, but I’d rather have a system that
puts the well-being of its citizens before making sure the rich get
richer and the poor get poorer.


helenanntackett
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

The national tea party protests against big government, whether in the form of the recent Bush administration or the Obama administration, now have the media pricking up their ears. From the popularity of these protests, the media are sensing a grassroots movement toward a third political party that liberates Americans from both the Republican and Democrat parties.

Americans are no longer content to have elitist politicians dictate their lives through government social engineering projects or unjust wars. The resurgence of the individual in America is occurring not in Washington, D.C., policies but in local tax revolt demonstrations attended by thousands of hardworking Americans who are disgusted with big government treating them like cattle and branding them cash cows.

Ironically, the liberal media increasingly cover the tea party demonstrations while dismissing their importance. The tea parties are not about bashing President Obama but are instead a revolt against all forms of big government. As tea parties increase in frequency and size, the leadership vacuum of this movement will be filled by persons who value the rights of the individual over some politician’s vision of a utopian society.


Stella
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Ron Parks,… “a contractor who lost his job earlier this year and quickly found work as a volunteer with the Tea Party movement”…

Perhaps if Mr Parks spent more time seeking new employement, his life would improve and he can pay his bills. Taxes, being one of those bills. I always laugh when I hear people talk about socialism as they drive their safe cars on safe roads to a safe workplace with fair pay and use their vacation time to take trips to public campgrounds while eating safe food and swimming in safe water, etc…. I also laugh when they claim to have built their business all on their own. I guess they grew the trees, cut the wood, manufactured the nails and smelted the copper for piping to build the business office, right? And they built their own computers, telephones, lights, etc…. yea, they didn't need ANYONE else to help them, because they did all by themselves. So, why should they be compelled to do their part in helping America get back on the right track after 8 years of excessive spending on the Bank of China's credit card? IOKIYAR, right? Tea parties? Find something useful to do when your unemployed like volunteer at the VA. Only little girls and wussies have tea parties.


Doc3
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:14 pm

Just got back from our local parade which included a group of Tea Party protesters. I support their effort. Come 2010 there is going to be change in this Country. Rags like this can continue to try and ignore it, but it is growing. Come 2010 all of these Spendocrats that voted for bills without reading them and driving this Country into indentured servitude to debt will be looking for new jobs.

Palin may move to the Independent Party. Our Country can no longer stand to keep the same buzzards in office Republican or Democrat. Stop printing money and creating debt, enforce immigration laws, cut entitlement programs and balance the budget. Fiscal responsibility has been sadly lacking in our government. Bring back the Glass-Steagall Act, support HR 1207 and audit the Federal Reserve. Support HR 1868 and end the so called Anchor Baby law.

We can take back our Country and reinstate the Constitution. It is not to late.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

Hey Mouse here’s the run down of TAX CUTS in the stimulus bill:

* $116 billion: New payroll tax credit of $400 per worker and $800 per couple in 2009 and 2010. Phaseout begins at $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 for joint filers. [30]
* $70 billion: Alternative minimum tax: a one year increase in AMT floor to $70,950 for joint filers for 2009.[30]
* $15 billion: Expansion of child tax credit: A $1,000 credit to more families (even those that do not make enough money to pay income taxes).
* $14 billion: Expanded college credit to provide a $2,500 expanded tax credit for college tuition and related expenses for 2009 and 2010. The credit is phased out for couples making more than $160,000.
* $6.6 billion: Homebuyer credit: $8,000 refundable credit for all homes bought between 1/1/2009 and 12/1/2009 and repayment provision repealed for homes purchased in 2009 and held more than three years. This only applies to first-time homebuyers.[31]
* $4.7 billion: Excluding from taxation the first $2,400 a person receives in unemployment compensation benefits in 2009.
* $4.7 billion: Expanded earned income tax credit to increase the earned income tax credit — which provides money to low income workers — for families with at least three children.
* $4.3 billion: Home energy credit to provide an expanded credit to homeowners who make their homes more energy-efficient in 2009 and 2010. Homeowners could recoup 30 percent of the cost up to $1,500 of numerous projects, such as installing energy-efficient windows, doors, furnaces and air conditioners.
* $1.7 billion: for deduction of sales tax from car purchases, not interest payments phased out for incomes above $250,000.

http://publicservice.evendon.com/RecoveryBill1M.htm


chris49
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

“Freedom is hard – which is apparently why most people are so afraid of it. Under the pretext of rescuing hapless citizens from the incalculable peril of liberty, government has increasingly claimed for itself far-reaching powers of repression and control.

“The principle of liberty is always at risk. The practice of self-government is too easily overturned. Civilizations do not decline because of freedom. They die instead from the fear of thought and paralysis of spirit, that accompanies the worship of kings. The visceral yearning for kings is likewise the fear of individual freedom and responsibility.”

Read it all here: http://OnLibertySchool.com/Being_American_The_L…


jokr8790
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

I guess they're now tea bagging with balls.


lynneveritt
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

If you are watching the government sell our debt load, you will see that folks who are invested in stocks turn pale ever two weeks waiting to see if all of our debt gets bought. It such a large amount that its undiscribable. If you have any investments or plan to invest in stocks, you should be “freaking out” about the hugh debt we have to sell ever couple of weeks. Everyone should grab a pitch fork and go to congress demanding that they stop spending. What ever way you want to do it, protest letters, calls, just do something or we as a country will be bankrupt that seem to be what this administration wants. A country in Chaos is easily changed.


What?
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

Did we read the same article? Or did you read the article? The headline I read called the Tea Parties a “Flop”. These small gatherings by a few fringe people who are deluded enough to see themselves as more patriotic than the majority of Americans are based on a false premise. Whose taxes have been raised under Obama to date? Who are these “hardworking individuals” who are being treated like cattle and how are they being branded as cash cows? Do you pay attention to the news at all?

Furthermore, these are racist gatherings as evidenced by the posters shown in pictures and videos of the events shown by the “liberal media” and the not so liberal media alike.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

The first middle-class tax cut went into effect in April. On the day of the first tea party, most of those folks were beneficiaries of the tax cut. Many of those folks wouldn’t even pay taxes anyway. I actually noticed the tax cut. But then again, I’m more about finding solutions and working toward the goal than just standing around in a quaint costume and yelling slogans and holding up hateful signs. I’ve got bigger concerns than trying to get a copy of the President’s birth certificate or trying to find evidence of his religious background. I don’t care. The world is in financial melt down, the Middle East is on a fast simmer, and there is true and real repression going on in the world. This repression dwarfs the supposed victimization of tax protesters. An example of government intrusion into your life is on display now in Iran. They control the SMS networks, TV, radio, satellite and press. They are shooting democracy supporting protesters in the streets. The Basji would make short work of those folks with tea bags hanging off their hats or dressed in colonial dress. The original tea party was to protest taxation without representation. We have a fully representation republic, so all that taxation is as a result of the work of your representatives in government. Sometimes the solution to the problem is actually counter-intuitive. Some of these actions of the government are because of the exceptional circumstances we and the rest of the world find ourselves in. They won’t be permanent. The old way of doing things is broken. Those folks on Wall Street are back to it making funny money and paying themselves bonuses with our tax money. I’m ready to have someone remake the system to the benefit of me and other middle-class folks like me rather than the guys who seem to be greedy and ruthless. There are so many more of us than there are of them. Why do they hold all the wealth? If they are holding all the wealth, they can afford to pay more in taxes. If they want to pay less, they can raise the wages of the workers and let us all share in the burden fairly. They keep raking it in and the people who do the actual work are getting nickled and dimed to death and seeing our purchasing power decrease and our wages stagnate. What we have now is the result of an economy that is based solely on consumerism and consumption. This is NOT President Obama’s fault. As a country we need to make some significant changes. And that means all of us as individuals. You can’t pawn off the responsibility to adjust to someone else. We’ve all got skin in the game and we’re going to have to share the burden. All the folks who preach “personal responsibility” don’t seem to understand what that really means.

A third American revolution? What was the second? The Civil War (or known by my relatives in South Carolina, “the war of Northern Aggression”) is still being fought. I actually asked my nephew if he realized that the South actually lost that one. You’d never know it by the number of memorials to folks who were for all intents and purposes traitors to the best interests and sovereignty of their nation.


Estproph
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Quite. The extreme rightwing has no interest in working for a better country. They feel exactly the way Rush Limbaugh described his feelings -wanting Obama to fail, regardless. They would rather see the country get worse than have it get better, if it means that the way for it to get better is a way they don't like. They are in no way, shape, or form, patriots. They just want the world to suck up to them.


Estproph
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

Then explain why the highest corporate productivity in this country since WWII was earned under the Eisenhower administration, which also had the highest corporate tax rate.


Estproph
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

That's right. Keep telling yourself that.


helenanntackett
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

hey whoever you are(you didnt say your name) pull your head out of this article and attend one of these parties, as I have done and listen to what the crowds, not? the media, are saying.


sicnarfe
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Dumb Repug sack-suckers!


winnet
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 7:27 pm

During Eisenhower’s administration US citizens still believed in “Made in USA.” Since then imports have swamped our country making it more and more difficult for US corporations to compete with foreign companies. Corporate taxes in the US are the second highest in the world; and now you want to make it more difficult by raising corporate taxes. Doing so will only make it more difficult to compete with imports. Another thing; most foreign countries have a VAT tax. When these countries export goods, they are not required to pay this tax. When our corporations export they still pay corporate taxes on their profits.


winnet
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Have you driven by any of the Tea parties today. We just drove by our county Fair Ground were one is being held. The parking area was completely jammed with cars.
A Tea party was also held at this location on April 15th; very few attended. Mr. Weigel is a dreamer if he thinks tea parties are losing steam.


dragonlady52
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 8:02 pm

They want to protest “irresponsible government”? Where were their voices for the last eight years? They are still calling this government socialist? Most of them don't even know what that means, or they would know that it isn't true. The fact that were also calling the current administration “fascist”as well clearly demonstrates their ignorance since you can't have it both ways-and they would also know that the Bush government was the closest thing to fascism this country has ever had.
Republicans seems to hate America. They would rather see the country go down the tubes than relinquish one iota of power. They certainly don't seem to believe in a democracy, since they have shown no inclination to respect the will of the people-all they want to do is manipulate public opinion with ceaseless spin.


dragonlady52
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 8:42 pm

The Republicans keep trying to tout supply-side economics and still keep insisting that it works-in spite of the fact that they cannot point to one example in out country's history where it has. YOu would think that the failure of the last eight years would have put to rest the claims of the supply-siders and the antiregulators once and for all-but all they do is write revisionist history and endlessly spin that it is All the Democrats' Fault. Their credibility is further diminished by their refusla to accept a single shred of responsibility for any of the crises we are facing.
Evidently greed trumps patriotism.


dragonlady52
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

Did you express any of this outrage when Bushco was running the country into the ground? He had eight years to bring this country to the brink of disaster, although to be fair a lot of these multiple messes started during the Reagan years. I'm sick of idiots like you who think that these vastly complex problems should be cleared up in a matter of months. Anyone with half a brain knows that there is no quick or easy way out of this mess-and I have yet to hear Bush or ANY Republican take responsibility for any of it-let alone do anything constructive about finding solutions.


Drax
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Actually, your post demonstrates a point quite well. Just because you read an article does not make it reality. Just following along like cattle is what Washington is looking for. You would make a great recruit.

Certainly the holiday has detracted from the protests slightly. However, the movement is growing and on Sept 12th, there will be protests the media will be unable to ignore.

As to taxes; cap and trade, healthcare, stimulus, omnibus, etc.., who is it you think is going to pay for all this ? That's right, taxpayers. If you wish to be indebted to China, special interests and other nations, then keep your blinders on.


mouse2010
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

It is Un American to Protest? Since when? You may disagree with with their cause but to say they are unAmerican is really stupid. So what is your idea of American? Only believe in what you believe in? Worship Obama…is that what Americans should do?


mouse2010
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 9:07 pm

Not True! Getyour facts straight


deacontim
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 9:27 pm

Actually, today we are celebrating the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. i would expect a real patriot to know that. Of course people who hate America are not, by definition, real patriots.


Philip Avon St. Cyr
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 2:47 am

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In seven months? Do you even understand how government works?


jpaultel
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

“Tea Party II” so called needs sponsorship. There are always a few who will blindly follow even to oblivion. Call Fox News and ask that it sign up and agitate and campaign for “Tea Party II” After all Obama's birth certificate has not been released by Kenya (according to those who appear on Fox) and he might even be a secret Muslim socialist. Good luck!


Gina
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 3:34 am

LaLee, where is his rating now? At its lowest level ever. The “strongly disapprove” numbers are now above the “strongly approve.” You expect to see that with any presidency, but Obama’s numbers on policy have never been where his personal popularity rating was (which itself was pretty much what you’d expect for a new president).

Take the goggles off, they don’t obtain outside the Obama shrine.

Leighton: I’m a Californian. Believe me, I’m not concerned only about federal taxes and spending.


mark_jones
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:07 pm

Just because they are not getting the media or the Republican party's attention does not mean they are a flop. We were NOT happy with the party and mdia's part in the April 15 events. What you seem to NOT understand is that we do not want ANY PARTY involved. W are sick of both prtypies and their disgusting antics. We are building a grassroots organization of people to get involved and get our government back from the parties. The parties do not have the people interests and we are sick of them.


Progressive_Pedro
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:08 pm

Well said, Bennett. President Obama is no messiah. He's a man who has been given a job and a mandate by a large proportion of the citizenry. He's also a man who is dealing with the worst hand ever handed to a new President of the United States.

If no one is spending money because they are out of a job, where do you think the economy will find the ability to expand? Someone has to put up the cash to get folks employed again. Corporate tax cuts are not the answer. If they were, we wouldn't have 10% unemployment. This is not esoteric. I didn't vote for Bush, but I never wished for his injury or death. I didn't want the country to fail so miserably, but given Mr. Bush's employment record of driving every company he ever owned into the ground, this result was expected.

The idea that one party or the other wants to destroy the country is silly. The last eight years is just an indication that that model was fatally flawed. Now that there's buyers' remorse, we want balanced budgets, deficit reduction, spending cuts, and a degradation in the quality of life for those with the least amongst us.

Being ranted at by someone who doesn't actually have a good command of English is nothing more than amusing. Did you feel that W was taking us in the right direction? By the end of his administration, according to the polls, more than 70% of the national population thought we were going in the wrong drection. Those numbers have improved considerably in the last seven months. We won. We also need to work together to bring ourselves back from the brink that irrresponsibile governing brought us too. Now that we've bailed out all the fat cat bankers, there's nothing left for the middle class — the largest economic engine in the world. The rich are still rich. More and more of us are finding ourselves out of work, out of health insurance, and more and more are being made homeless.

Were you asleep for the last 8 years, Dave_P? You believe that none of this is a legacy of the Bush Administrations? Make up your mind. Either Dick Cheney was right and “deficits don't matter, Reagan proved that” or you should have been stamping your feet at irresponsible tax cuts and the promulgation of two foreign wars without a way to pay for them. So you will pardon us if we reject your rant because Mr. Obama was handed a steaming, heapng pile. It's very galling that the folks who got us into this mess have decided the obstruction is the way to go. It's not “Barry's” patriotism you need question. It's the GOParty of No that is helping to hold us back and are impeding progress to a solution.

Bennett's right. The white male power structure is surely threatened. You can tell by the “reverse racism” charges being leveld at Sonya Sotomayor and the general freak out on the “conservative” side. The specter of their own treatment of others suddenly being somehow flung back at them is making them lose their water. It is clearly a tacit admission that there has been racist behavior engaged in by the white male power structure. Now that they realize they are becoming out numbered and their position of privilege and power is threatened they are sh*tting bricks. I'm a white male and I'm very happy to see it. I've seen too much bad behavior on our part to feel any sympathy for the corrupt being toppled. The color of one's skin doesn't make you better than someone else. It's certainly time for others to have a seat at the table, especially since they are here working, paying taxes, and should have their experience represented in government and the judiciary. Why not work together to bring about that more perfect Union that the framers of the Constitution desired.


nativegirl
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

I wish is was only the grass roots of each party, unfortunately this is a slanderous move (that will have no affect) on Obama. Bush and his inept ability to lead a country, more importantly lead his administration has driven the country into the ground, at least Obama has ideas and leadership that will counteract what Bush and his administration, cronies, senators and congressman have done. Now they are calling this recession Obama's? Doesn't take much to analyze what really went wrong for eight years, with the greed, payoff's, and the poor and middle class paying for the Republican Klan that made the white house a sewer oorruption, so they can live with your health care dollars and your gift of welfare to the rich corporations so those donors will keep on giving. I'm sick of it too. Democrats are sick of it, but we were stuck with this shit, and many shovels and years will be needed to clean it up.


barrck
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:55 pm

Nativegirl, this IS Obama's recession. He owns it now. It's funny how Bush could do nothing right from his first inaugeration to his last day in office. Did he get any credit for adding jobs to the economy? Did he keep our country safe from another terror attack? His economic policies did work for a time. Keep in mind that the housing crisis was the harbinger of this current recession. Rep. Frank and Sen. Dodd were the driving force behind the Community Reinvestment Act, which strong-armed mortgage lenders into lending to families who did not have the means to pay back their loan. Bailing out the banks were another mistake. There were two major errors in the Bush Administration: #1 Iraq #2 TARP. Other than that, he kept our country safe and we had a good stretch of growth and new jobs. My hope is that our president will recognize that his policies (Cap and Trade and Socialized Medicine) will absolutely destroy the private sector. Government cannot create wealth; it can only confiscate and redistribute it. It's time to move on. Bush is no longer in office and Obama IS now responsible for everything that happens in our country. He is the POTUS. He needs to govern like another great Democrat, Harry Truman, who said, “The buck stops here.”


georgesucks
Comment posted July 4, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

BWAHAHHAHAH GEORGE BUSH AND DICK CHENEY RUINED OUR COUNTRY and your TRYING to also.Your a COMMUNIST FASCIST!


barrck
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 12:08 am

georgesucks seems to represent the most intellectually gifted opinion writers of this website. I guess I can stoop to his level by saying, “I know you are, but what am I?” Do you even know what communism or fascism is? Perhaps you can define the terms and I will engage your arguments on the merits. Actually, I loved American enough to serve in the Armed Forces for 21 years. How about you? What have you done in service of this great country?


buytea
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 12:33 am

How about a real Tea party? That'll teach them! :)


cindyk
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 1:07 am

Ummm..I so disagree with your title..Seems the 4th of July tea parties were a success all over. Even the news is giving them more respect from what I can tell. I do so feel and pray that the ordinary citizens that make up the tea parties can help to being sense to Washington and our states again..If the people lead the leaders will fallow. No more Democrats or Republicans… We the people….


stoneycurtis
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 1:48 am

You dear sir, are an idiot.


Philip Avon St. Cyr
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 2:31 am

Too me, the problem in a nutshell is…complexity. Tea baggers are mainly simple folks. I can't blame them for wanting simplicity, for being unable to handle nuance and interdependence and other challenging aspects of modern life. I suspect few tea baggers have travelled much, seen much of other countries or know much of others' lifestyles. All their talk about American being the greatest country in the world (and constantly using “freedom” and “liberty” in the same sentence when they mean the same thing, argh!) only demonstrates how little they know of the world. But again, I can't blame them for that. They are simple and ignorant and thus easily frightened by the unknown and/or unknowable.

It's the politicians who take advantage of them that anger me. Instead of admitting we live in a complex world where small government may no longer be possible, they pretend otherwise and prey on the fears of the uneducated. And for that, I curse them. They could still be a viable alternative with the truth and with education and information, but instead they lie and mislead. It is truly a shameful time in American politics.


sylhines
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 2:45 am

The tea parties are foils for the wingnuts of the GOP. Taxes in this day and age do not rise to the level of importance as national health care, immigration and border security, social security, education and national defense. It is a strong rallying cry but most people protesting pay very little income tax, and the same amount of other taxes, each and every american pay. If we just closed the existing corporate loop holes in the tax codes we could recoup billions from businesses. But these corporations are the patrons of the GOP. Big business against individuals, big business wins out evert time.

I do not have a problem with the tea parties, but I do object to the diversionary tactic of utilizing taxes as a rallying call, when other problems are more pressing. I winch at the signs, the confederate flags, the posters, the Indian headdress and other insensitive language used at the rallies. I noticed the fair amount of youth involved and required to digest this kind of bigoted behavior. Will they be able, when they are adults, to independently make up their minds on issues, or will the bindly accept the views of their parents. I have viewed Jim Crow practices up close in my life and I am unable to connect with any movement that attracts that fringe crowd.

Now if our voices were not being heard I could see this form of protest. My ancestors were taxed without representation and deprived of their liberty, at the same time, during the original tax protest. I am cautious about tapping into the issues that divide us. I notices an account where Senator Jim DeMint of South Carolina refused to attend a rally after he was not allowed to speak. He indicated he wanted to speak and sign copies of his new book. I believe this one example is indicative of the fleecing of the uneducated populance that such rallies attract, and fuurther evidence of the movement being used by scoundrels, both religious and political. Voter participation can achieve the same purpose of holding the elected leaders to our wishes rather than invent a new movement. The tea parties are being used for other purposes than to implement needed changes. There is a element of bitterness and political helplessness that causes me pause. The attendance alone is not any measure of success as political tricks is common in mob type coalitions. What about ensuring that no state receive welfare payments from the more well off states. When you start down that road it is everyone for themselves and no unity of purpose. Starting a new movement is not the answer to legitimate differences. Voting one interest is the best instrument in a democracy to effect change. That requires being informed about the issues and not dependent on any political party, section of the country, union or other sources for the information necessary to make your decision. I must note that many of the participants appear to be fine upstanding americans.


barrck
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 2:57 am

I guess I came to the wrong website for intelligent discourse over the issues. Is that the best you can do, call me names? That is a typical liberal response, ad hominem attacks on the person rather than discuss ideas. So far, I have only been attacked on this website. No one has even attempted to directly challenge my assertions.


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 2:58 am

What is a representiaves and where is Amerika? Moron?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 8:18 am

Hey i’ve got things i disagree with Obama as well.

Like his FISA vote when he was still senator or his policy in handling of suspected terrorist.

But even so i still trust him more than any republican politician, you know why?

First, unlike the “religious right” he’s not trying to impose his faith on others.

Second, whether you agree with is economic policy or not you can’t deny the fact that HE HAS AN ECONOMIC POLICY BEYOND MERE TAX CUTS.

Third, his diplomatic approach to foreign policy is what is needed after Bush foreign policy debacle in the middle east.


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 3:29 am

This isn't about Democrats or Republicans, its about the Government stealing our money for wealth redistribution, voting on bills without reading them. There is 270 billion of pork in the stimulus plan. This President in six months has already spent more than all the previous Presidents combined. So much for fiscal responsibility. If the Cap & Trade bill passes each homes electrical bill will increase by two to three thousand dollars. If the Health bill passes you might as well be out of work, because you will fare better living off Big Brother. The government wants the parties to fight among themselfs so they don't focus on whats really wrong. The people need to stand up and vote all the crooks out, they were supposed to be working for us. Our country can't sustain this spending and our children and grandchildren will be the biggest losers.


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 3:30 am

This isn't about Democrats or Republicans, its about the Government stealing our money for wealth redistribution, voting on bills without reading them. There is 270 billion of pork in the stimulus plan. This President in six months has already spent more than all the previous Presidents combined. So much for fiscal responsibility. If the Cap & Trade bill passes each homes electrical bill will increase by two to three thousand dollars. If the Health bill passes you might as well be out of work, because you will fare better living off Big Brother. The government wants the parties to fight among themselfs so they don't focus on whats really wrong. The people need to stand up and vote all the crooks out, they were supposed to be working for us. Our country can't sustain this spending and our children and grandchildren will be the biggest losers


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:01 am

In order to control any country you need to:

Control the banks and finanicial institutions,utilities,manufacturing,health care,unions and the peoples ability to make a living. So don't worry about a thing.


Hulkster
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:45 am

He kept our country safe? Uh…did he take office September 2, 2001?

I love how his supporters sort of forget that the Twin Towers were brought down ON HIS WATCH…well INTO HIS WATCH.

How about Katrina? Hell of a job, Brownie. Oh please.

And to go on about how all this financial mess was brought about by Sen. Dodd and Rep. Frank? Jesus, please open your head up a little. Too much “propaganda network” can do that to you. You might go back to your little god, ronnie Alzheimer and put a little blame on his DEREGULATION administration.

God, simple is as simple does….or what was the saying?


susanlukowski
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:48 am

Don't be discouraged, Americans. Right now, all we have to protest the absurdities of the Administration — indeed, ANY Administration, is our letters to elected and appointed officials and the media, our votes, and the TEA Parties. We have entered very serious times; we truly face a significant threat to the way of life we have have known. It's on OUR shoulders to peacefully protest what each of us does not approve of with the current administration. SPEAK UP! NOW! Or, sadly, forever hold your peace….


Trublutopaz
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:18 am

Be dismissive if you want. The problem is that for everyone that did show up in the 100+ degree heat, there are five more sitting at home. The cockier the Left becomes, the more they ignore the impending anger of the voters, the more rapidly they will sink. So go ahead, whistle in the dark and pretend that everything is just fine. Deep down in your heart, you know it's not….and we will be waiting just around the corner….


Trublutopaz
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:27 am

You have got to be kidding. “Taxes in this day and age do not rise to the level of importance….” Do you even know what you pay taxes on? Probably not. Did you realize that part of the lack of action of the federal, state and local government to lower gas prices was due to the inordinate amount of revenue the various government entities raked in? And now they are suggesting that more taxes be added. Do you even consider this? What about hidden taxes? For example, our highways were paid for with bonds, but now various entities, some of them foreign, can contract to run toll roads-for roads we have already built and paid for. As for the assumption that government would efficiently run medical care, look to the medical offerings they currently provide-medicare and the VA. Both are in shambles, grossly underfunded and provide poor care. As for the problem of taking from states with sound fiscal policies and giving revenue to states with poor policies, isn't that simply taking money from places that enacted responsible policies and then giving to people that have squandered their wealth? I see no reason to bail out California when their economic woes are directly related to their overindulgent systems and their antagonism towards anyone who works for a buck. Should the people of Texas pay for their follies? Of course not. AS for bitterness, what do you expect from middle class people who are repeatedly hit with more taxes, more programs and more costs and who are not given any chance to endure, much less succeed? You protest the idea of mob rule, but what was it that Moveon.org and such did during the last election? They organized at the grassroots level, and in the process they lured the media into believing some huge lies. So now are we, the conservative middle class, also denied the right to assembly, the right to free speech and the right to determine our own futures? Because it sounds to me like you intend to take them away.


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Trublutopaz
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:34 am

People, you have to stop thinking in a linear fashion. The answer is most likely Neither. The Democrats have denied their own history by embracing the European Green Party model. Go ahead, look it up. Plank for plank it's the same message. This is not your Dad's Democrat blue collar party, it is a party comprised of radical elitists who think denial is fine for everyone else, just as long as they aren't imposed upon. As for the Republicans, they shot themselves in the foot by compromising and trying not to look “mean”. At some point the leftists are going to shout “racist” no matter what action your take, so you might as well make them say it so often that it ceases to have meaning. This is not to say anyone should make deliberately racist acts, but when you have city officials claiming that the name “Devil's Food Cake” is racist, then they are pretty much off the charts. This party, which I prefer to call the New American Party, is not part of any existing party, or maybe it's part of all of them. We seek a new pragmatism that relies on balanced budgets, limited interference by government in private lives and a dismantling of a social welfare system that cost more in money than it doles out. None of this will happen if the current bureaucrats stay in office. Staying in office as a career was never the intent of the Constitution. We must enact term limits, tort reform, the flat tax and return to a time when people grew up, took care of themselves and didn't expect Mommy Government to fix every booboo.


Trublutopaz
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:39 am

The problem is that while middle class workers pay into the system in income taxes, gas taxes, homeowners' taxes, property taxes, and countless other taxes, we really do not get back as much as we put into the system. And some people don't put anything into the system EVER and get free education, free lunches for their kids, free healthcare, etc. If money if finite, then wouldn't it make sense for those who are not here legally to not get services? And haven't you ever wondered why all the public hospitals along the southern border struggle to stay afloat? While I don't claim to know Mr. Parks, I find it a little bit problematic that you think his willingness to volunteer is not job seeking. One of the ways recommended by job coaches to find work is to volunteer and network. You may also want to consider how much of the “last eight years'' spending was done by Pelosi and friends. Stella, let me invite you to a tea party in my back yard….it's going to be a bumpy ride…..


Trublutopaz
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Funny how many ex-military personnel complain about the inefficiency of the VA. While I would not shut them down, I do expect them to run efficiently and do their jobs. Do you really make the claim that the VA is working well because I have three former Marine cousins who would disagree. And by the way, how is it “unAmerican” for Americans to offer free speech. Or have your friends in Congress yanked that right, too? Better get ready for the next nine months-midterms are coming and the way Pelosi is cramming bills through unread and unremarked, there is going to be hell to pay.


Trublutopaz
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:44 am

So should these patriots simply have given up? Are you saying we should just quit? What do you mean by this post? To me it says that they were willing to sacrifice everything in order to create a new free nation. And now it seems you are saying we should be afraid to sacrifice anything. Explain? Or at least read more or what you write when you copy and paste….


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:36 am

The question is are you willing to go through all that as they did? This was for people who were here earlier mud slinging, talking tough and talking about wanting the fair tax or no tax and a rebate. I don't think they really know what they were talking abouts and it impossible to believe they are willing to die for it. They believe that it's all the Demorcrats and Obama's fault. For some of us it really is both Democrats and Republican and we've become an independent because of it. We take it serious.

I wonder if they have really thought that if we had the fair tax the poor would pay as much as the rich for taxes. How would they be able to do that?


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:38 am

The problem is when you do that you leave half the problem out of the picture.


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:39 am

I couldn't agree more. Stop fighting amongst yourselfs and do yourself a favor and do your own research. Quit listening to your buddies and start thinking for yourself. This isn't about race or party, it's about losing your freedom that you all take for granted. Most people don't know anything about Cap & Trade; the most sweeping power grab bill ever to be voted on. Our reps on the hill are only interested in the part (PORK) that helps them. Thats why nobody reads the bills. They just make sure they get their million dollar turtle crossing or they get a Airport updated that serves 20 people a day is named after them (MURTHA). Maybe your ok with the government wasted tax payer money, but; I am not. What this country needs more than anything is more unemployed politicians. STAND UP!!


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:44 am

Who are you trying to kid, some may be against all the wrongs done, but protesting only Obama shows that others are protesting only Democrats. Count me out. I don't want another Repubican, I want an independent who is not beholding to either party.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:51 am

You are uniting against the Left? The Left are a part of we the “people”. They also see that things are not good. I've heard them comment about Obama plenty of times. But you think all we need is Republican in office?


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:52 am

“We are fighting every capitalism: we are making the people completely free.”

“If capitalism falls we shall rise”

Author? A. Hitler 1921


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 8:00 am

There's nothing wrong with capitalism, what's wrong is corporatism which is what is running our country right now. There's a big difference between the too.


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 8:35 am

Thanks for making my point. Now the the government owns car companies, banks, insurance companies and shootin for control of energy and health care we probably are on the right track. Heck, Hitler owned VW and it was extremely successful.


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 8:49 am

Who's protesting Obama? He just happens to be the President that amassed more debt to this country than all the previous Presidents combined. While your arguing your point the Government is picking both our pockets. It once again is not about Democrats or Republicians – it's both. They all need to go bye-bye. UTUBE treasury hearings and then answer back. The head of the Treasury doesn't know where the money has gone.


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 9:21 am

Please all go to this site http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8 it is a DEMOCRAT yes I said Democrat who happens to be in his first term in office questioning the Fed about our funds-If this doesn't open your eyes – nothing will. You see, he hasn't been told yet how to steal from the public and that your not supposed to ask any questions. Send it to all your friends and enemies and you might finally get it.


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cotyhurt
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 10:37 am

I attended the Dallas Tea Party on the 4th. If I had to guess, I would say there were over 40,000 people there. Its was amazing!


jerseydevil
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 10:42 am

LOSING STEAM? NO…GAINING STEAM! Numbers are growing and the media is still in BHO's pocket on this. WE are getting the word out! THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET!

Printed news rags like liberal papers and Time…all the reat? They will go the way of the wind as the truth flys over them and into the Internet technology that will make them OBSOLETE! They had better get on board…or maybe they can apply to the “reality show”…BIGGEST LOSERS!


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 10:46 am

You are taking into consideration that most of that debt he inherited aren't you? Most republicans step around saying “Bush's bail out”, as if the poor dear didn't have anything to do with it and was out playing with Barney when all this took place. I'm not defending Obama, I just happen to like to getting to view the whole painting. I'm sure we'll get a lousy health care system that sends old people to the grave yard as soon as possible, Big Money won't mind that at all and nearly all politicians are in with Big Money lobbyists. But you know it takes two to tango. The Democrats approved what Bush did, and the Republicans will approve what the Democrats do. We are in effect under a one party system and have no system of checks and balances.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 10:54 am

The media is always in the pocket of whomever's at the top. I followed Bush as close as I could for two years and discovered a great mass of information about what he was doing that never hit the United States' mainstream news media. They baby fed us with info that the administration wants us to hear and believe.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:19 pm

I’ve gone to the April 15, Tea Party in St.louis. Which had a larger crowed then the one on July 4, but that tea party took place 30 miles away from St.Louis. Which made out of reach for some of us suffering from the economy caused by Bush and Obama. I just wish we could stop printing money like its going out of style. We need to support HR 1207 call all your congressmen, also we need to call the senate the cap and trade bill if it raises taxs on us in anyway it will be to much. I voted Dem. but this wasn’t what I signed up for. I will be attending the march on washington on SEPT 12.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:23 am

Jack, my driver for audio quit on me and it will be another month before I have audio. Is it in print anywhere?

I get a lot more than you could imagine, because I started seeing the light in 2006 and kept trying to get people to listen but it was like I was screaming a message long distance.


David
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:25 am

Shhhh…let them think their numbers are growing, even as their crowds are shrinking. Let them think, just a little while longer that waving tea bags and telling n****r jokes at the back of the crowd will gain them the power that is no longer there. Shhhh..let them think that Palin is getting serious now about running for President, and then shhh! shhhh!..let her be nominated! Please!


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:29 am

Man, if they're on track with Palen they are way off. She doesn't even use the same railway system.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

THE ONLY AMMO YOU’VE GOT, NAME CALLING.

How about arguing some of the facts?

What is it you like about global marxism?


rick g
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 1:47 pm

It's absolutely incredible that Obama is sitting on a 2 trillion dollar deficit and what's his answer? Start massive government programs.

I can't believe anyone can support this reckless behavior. Obama's deficit this year is going to be about 20% of the entire debt incurred to this point.

He promised a capped employment at 8% if he could be allowed to add 800 billion to the deficit. He rammed the bill through Congress without a single person reading the document. He's doing the same with Global Warming.

You better wake up while you still have a country.


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wagrubbs
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 2:00 pm

I have been a registered Democrat since 1975 when I turned 18. During that 34 years, I have written a few letters and e-mails, but never attended a protest event.

Over my career, I have started or helped start over companies and created tens of thousands of high-paying jobs her in the USA. Now, it is almost hopeless to try and raise seed capital funding to start a new company. No one wants to lock up their cash for 5-10 years only to have it taxed at a much higher rate than when they invested. I do not blame them — I can get a 10% dividend from a Fidelity corporate bond fund and buy and sell it as I please on-line.

Also, most entrepreneurs know that the trillion dollar per year deficits will fall on their shoulders if they work 100 hours per week and become successful. Why bother?

I went to the Raleigh, NC Tea Party yesterday and found over 1000 people like me who are scared for America and our children. The crowd was polite and well-behaved. I did not see a single law enforcement officer there, so I guess that Raleigh PD knows that the Tea Party type is not about to cause trouble.

This is a real grass roots, multi-party movement. I would expect the attendees to be the campaign workers in 2010 and 2012 to execute a “contract with America” style populist revolt to shift the power in Congress to a new generation of Republicans to stop and reverse Obama's plans.

The DNC is not going to be able to suppress this movement by ignoring it.

My advise it to cover it hard and listen carefully to the message. Many people in the crowd were Democrats and not eager to vote for Republicans, but they will as long as the Democrats vote as a block and not individually.


wagrubbs
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

Not true for the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill area. We have the highest concentration of PhD's (per capita) in the world.

Most of the folks I met yesterday were college-educated small business owners. Many had graduate degrees.

BTW, there are 520 biotech related small businesses in the area. Please note, not every small business is a Quickie Mart.


adrian125
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

What a monumentally ignorant statement. Freedom and liberty are the same thing? Who taught you that? Freedom means you are free to do something. Liberty is freedom from something. To an addict, liberty is freedom from addiction. To an American citizen, liberty is freedom from tyranny. For someone spouting off about nuance, you might try to educate yourself some on the distinctions between freedom and liberty. Your speculation that tea party protestors are simple and ignorant gives further proof to your own ignorance. Most that I have met are highly successful, many are business owners and employers who understand the devastating consequences Obama's fiscally and socially Marxist policies will have on the economic well-being of this nation, not to mention the destruction of individual liberty. You might want to leave the confines of your gilded basement, step out into the real world and breathe some fresher air before weighing in again with your hoity and elitist dismissal of those you call “tea baggers.”


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MG
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

The GOP ran this country into a ditch. Now they're complaining about the cost of the tow truck.

Besides, who wants to protest the government on July 4? That's like spending Christmas Day denouncing the evils of consumerism.


ctyankee22
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

Losing Steam? Hardly!

There is a phenomenon called Super-Critical Boiling. It's what happens when the temperature and pressure are so high that there is no difference between the liquid and the gas. In fact the calm liquid ceases to exist than the boiler contains only hot high pressure gas (steam). This is the time when the most work can be extracted.

Woe be to the foolish operator that lets this super-critical steam accumulate in large quantities where is doesn't belong.

We will cut down the corrupt politicos, and the lobbyists, and the special interests. When metal is overheated only two things can happen. It can be worked into new useful, valuable forms, of it will flow uncontrolled, incinerating everything in its path.

Every FairTax supporter wants the same thing! We wish to transform the system into a new, shining example; a productive implement that treats taxpayers fairly and justly, that rewards accomplishment, and pays the bills of the nation.

But what every blacksmith for 1000 years has known — never throw cold water on molten iron!

The Light is Green!


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

This guy needs to be President http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8 I would love to hear comments.


MarilynB
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

How many times does it have to be repeated??? THIS IS NOT ABOUT PARTY!!! I am sick and tired of these idiot politicians, Democrat AND Republican, ramming these policies down our throats…voting on bills they haven't even read, Taxing everything from light bulbs to Bovine Gas, taking away my right to make decisions about my own life for myself. A governments job is to protect the people not run their lives. It seems everyone has selective memory. They only remember things they want to and in the way they want to remember it. This eroding of our country began a long time ago and we have been here protesting, you just didn't pay attention then. I guess we must be making you nervous because you ARE paying attention now. If you can't be a part of the solution to runaway spending, overblown govenrment and trampling of our constitution step aside. We have no patience for whinners who play the blame game instead of doing something more constructive for the good of AMERICA. There is no personal or collective responsibility anymore, guess that concept was lost when Roe Vs Wade was passed.


wukamury
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

I wasn't going to waste my time on this site,but i was amazed at how much this place is just another liberal creep carpet. SAD


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

You will be the first one to scream “What the hell happened” when you get your new energy and health care bill. The only thing shrinking is the average Americans brain. Only an idiot would ignore the facts of the totally insane spending of this administration. Who do you think is paying for all this?


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:28 pm

Just a small point. President Bush is responsible for some of the debt it is true. However, totally untrue is your statement “most of the debt he inherited” Please do your homework, President Obama in six months has ran up more debt than all of the previous Presidents combined and he is just getting started. If Cap & Trade and the health care bill get thru it will cost most of us more than we can bear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


mutnodjmet
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

A few points: Tulare, CA had 15,000 attendees –

http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/2009/07/05/imp…

And many Democrats, like myself, actually are active in the Tea Party movement. We may be fewer in number, but the the ranks of Democrat Tea Party goers increases continuously.

http://templeofmut.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/on-…


Trublutopaz
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

No, frankly the Republicans have done plenty to disappoint me and people like me as well. That is why the Tea Parties were organized as NON PARTISAN-we have Democrats, we have Libertarians, we have Republicans and we have Independents. The thrust of the group is to attack the fiscal irresponsibility by careerists in office AND the erosion of our rights as citizens. While you claim to be the majority, I know plenty of Obama voters who were shocked at what has come about. They didn't know his proposed agenda because the media chose to ignore his past as a senator and his associations. The man is very charming, very likeable, but his policies and those of his Congressional leaders will BANKRUPT us and our children. The only people who do not see anything wrong with the forced transfer of wealth via taxation and an expanded social network are leftists. And that didn't work in the USSR, it is not working now in Cuba and it will not work here.


paxvobiscum
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

The TEA Party “movement” may have a little more credibility if they had held their first event during the GWB Administration's 1st 6 years, when the Republican Congress was spending money like drunken sailors on shoreleave. Most, if not all, of the problems the AFA (umbrella organization of TEA)mentions either were started or greatly exacerbated by the George W. Bush administration. The TEA parties when seen this way are a not-so-well disguised attempt to arouse public passions against Obama–for problems that he inherited from Bush. The 4th of July is a time to celebrate our freedom and way of life, not really a time to disingenuously protest the leadership of our Commander in Chief.


Sidslac
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:51 pm

What? Are u high?


paxvobiscum
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

MG, that sums it up very well!


Sidslac
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

I know we're paying for the last 8 years pretty dearly right now…


stewart
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

JudiBug, honey, please write more…and hopefully more trailer park trashees from Texass will write as well. You people are entertaining and enlightening. We here in educated America, the true patriots, would like nothing better if you “infidels” would leave our blessed America. I remember in a past era something that was said to me as I protested a past ill gotten invasion and illegal conflict. Here it is,,,great advise…”America…love it or leave it”…or at least stay barefoot and pregnant in your trailer. I added the last line. Pretty insulting, huh? It was meant to be in case you are too ignorant to get that. The only thing left to say to people like you is this…”We won…you lost…so…quit the sour grapes, you hypocrite…end of story”. Stewart


stewart
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 10:11 pm

JudiBug, honey, please write more…and hopefully more trailer park trashees from Texass will write as well. You people are entertaining and enlightening. We here in educated America, the true patriots, would like nothing better if you “infidels” would leave our blessed America. I remember in a past era something that was said to me as I protested a past ill gotten invasion and illegal conflict. Here it is,,,great advise…”America…love it or leave it”…or at least stay barefoot and pregnant in your trailer. I added the last line. Pretty insulting, huh? It was meant to be in case you are too ignorant to get that. The only thing left to say to people like you is this…”We won…you lost…so…quit the sour grapes, you hypocrite…end of story”. Stewart


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

Loses steam? 37,000 people attended! LOL


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

You ain't seen nothing of ditches yet.. this criminal in the WH surrounded by 350 scandals, with the worst one being how he sold us to the oligarchy. Do you like enslavement?


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:21 pm

You are an example of the denial sickness about what is going on right now. Shame on you.


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

Maybe if you could SPELL Palin we'd take you seriously.. nut.


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Wrong again Judi. Your reasoning skills are just as bad as your spelling skills.


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

So why do you apologize for Obama who has handed our economy to the foreign banksters? You are scary.


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:25 pm

David Weigel is a dope and knows this movement is big. We want our constitution back and these criminals out of office…
He is scared and had to write the complete opposite of what is really happening to assuage himself.. It's really quite funny isn't it? They know they are in trouble.
Obama = 350 scandals and counting.


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:27 pm

You voted for this crook so how smart can you be? Not very.
It's sovereignty… the constitution that is being dumped right now.
Foreign bankers run Obama and this country.
We are one nation under that Nazi Soros.


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

So you don't mind Obama being a puppet of the bankers? They are private oligarchs who own this country now thanks to him.
WHAT IS IT THAT YOU LIKE ABOUT GLOBAL MARXISM? I WANT NO PART OF IT.


Packeryman
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

It never gained steam because it had no substance. It was the pipe dream of a few far right wing haters of Obama and his policies. The GOP would have nothing to do with it. These are the same sheep that follow the rants and raves of LImbaugh, Hannity, and Cheney, flush and purge the party of moderates and “Rino's”. If Republicans follow the advice of these nuts in 2012 they will go down with a worse defeat than Goldwater in 1964. If there is any doubt run Gingrich and Palin on the ticket,both right wing conservative nuts. They might pull 30% of the vote and lose nearly all electorial votes.


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:37 pm

David Weigel steam this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCP7FaYejYg


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Who said it never gained steam? It has gained steam, regardless of this propaganda you see here.
Saying it's 'a few haters' is a cliche that doesn't work.. 37,000 people are not a 'few' by any means.

We won't have to go down, we are already being brought down by this new fascism of Obama… and his 350 scandals.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

Here is what I get on national debt figures.
10,838,758,414,164.46 Jan. 20, 2009
5,727,776,738,304.64 Jan. 20, 2001
5,110,981,675,859.82 Bush Total Increase in Debt

11,489,560,999,310.74 July 5, 2009
10,838,758,414,164.46 Jan. 20, 2009
650,802,585,146.28 Obama Total Increase in Debt

http://www.treasurydirect.gov/NP/NPGateway


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:51 pm

You still don't get it–No one wants either party. Vote them all out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

I'm not stupid just dyslexic. You have me beat in rude.


NAndover
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:53 pm

Dallas Tea Party video, 37,000 strong!

Now if that's losing steam, I'm happy.

http://dallasteaparty.org/2009/07/live-video-st…


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:54 pm

I've checked out her religion. Would you like me to look it up for you?


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 5:57 pm

Here is what I got on national debt figures:

10,838,758,414,164.46 Jan. 20, 2009
05,727,776,738,304.64 Jan. 20, 2001
05,110,981,675,859.82 Total Increase for Bush

11,489,560,999,310.74 July 5, 2009
10,838,758,414,164.46 Jan. 20, 2009
00,650,802,585,146.28 Total Increase for Obama


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:04 pm

Amen!!


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

This does make it look bad especially if they only complain about Obama and don't at least say “Bush wasn't any better.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

No, I am not against individual rights. I simply suggest that a look at taxes in a more progressive light. Closing loopholes so taxation is fair across the board for individuals. A second area is tax equity. You mentioned bailing out CA and used TX as an example. CA receive somwhere around 67 cent in return for every dollar they pay in federal taxes. South Carolina receives $ 1.30 or so back in federal aid. Where is the equity in that. The southern states have refused to fund education, roads, medical care and job creation as a direct response to quality of life issues relating to minorities receiving such benefits. Why should IA, MN, CA and NY ship their hard earn money to these welfare states because of this backwards approach to governing for a split population. No self respecting business will locate in these states because their employees do not want to deal with poor schools,bad housing stock and bad roads. It is hard to earn a liveable wage in these regions as they cater to cheap wage employers. So much for your claim that these states are enacting sound fiscal policies, they have shunned their responsibilities for over a 100 years as the rest of us have to pick up their slack.

Again the use tax paid by commercial trucks and the gas taxes on gasoline are handled by the states. It was IN decision to lease its toll roads as other plan to do for a short term gain against the long term benefit of the people. I agree medical care could be improved and that is what the national health care debate is all about. This can be done with a redistribution of the existing dollars already being spent on health care, simply by eliminating the middle men, insurance companies who skim a profit for the process without providing any service.

Are you denying the existence of a certain bitterness that have polluted our political debate on reforming the problems facing us today. The middle class has every right to protect it interest, as a expanding middle class is the answer to stagnant economic policies. I must submit the assualt on the middle class began in 1964 when the racist, sexist and bigots highjacked the GOP and crested in 1980 with the trickle down theory of massive defense spending and cuts in the social service safety net enacted after the great depression. The out of control spending, accounting tricks, borrowing form the social security trust fund all have hidden the actual size of the defict. What we have done is shift the burden of financing the government totally onto the middle class. The tax cuts for the rich and corporations, the waste and fraud in the defense sector and the greed and theft in the financial sector all have come home to roost. Government has a role to play in protecting individuals from fraud and providing the necessary services to grow the economy. I do not advocate any large tax increase to achieve the reforms and policy directions I think all of us understand are required to get the country back on a sound footing. Reduce spending, ending the wars and redirecting the existing resources toward a better policy objective, I believe is the answer.

The BS of tax cuts at every turn is not the answer. The reason the country went so long without an income tax was free labor. Texas does not have an income tax, to get around supporting public education and services for its large Hispanic population, which was in Texas long before we arrive to steal that state from Mexico. There are so many issues connected to the public purse string that a simplicty approach to reduce taxes without the companion concern with tax equity and fairness is, in my mind, unfair.

Finally, I am against trampling on anyone rights. Let us make the politicans who suppose to represent us do just that, and stop backing special interest. Attack this problem and it will be easier to address equity and fairness in the tax system, which will lead to a reduction in taxes. The solution is in this very system, not a new one based on our differences and subject to being influenced by money and power. The power brokers are only interested in protecting their interests not the public.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:10 pm

No, I am not against individual rights. I simply suggest that a look at taxes in a more progressive light. Closing loopholes so taxation is fair across the board for individuals. A second area is tax equity. You mentioned bailing out CA and used TX as an example. CA receive somwhere around 67 cent in return for every dollar they pay in federal taxes. South Carolina receives $ 1.30 or so back in federal aid. Where is the equity in that. The southern states have refused to fund education, roads, medical care and job creation as a direct response to quality of life issues relating to minorities receiving such benefits. Why should IA, MN, CA and NY ship their hard earn money to these welfare states because of this backwards approach to governing for a split population. No self respecting business will locate in these states because their employees do not want to deal with poor schools,bad housing stock and bad roads. It is hard to earn a liveable wage in these regions as they cater to cheap wage employers. So much for your claim that these states are enacting sound fiscal policies, they have shunned their responsibilities for over a 100 years as the rest of us have to pick up their slack.

Again the use tax paid by commercial trucks and the gas taxes on gasoline are handled by the states. It was IN decision to lease its toll roads as other plan to do for a short term gain against the long term benefit of the people. I agree medical care could be improved and that is what the national health care debate is all about. This can be done with a redistribution of the existing dollars already being spent on health care, simply by eliminating the middle men, insurance companies who skim a profit for the process without providing any service.

Are you denying the existence of a certain bitterness that have polluted our political debate on reforming the problems facing us today. The middle class has every right to protect it interest, as a expanding middle class is the answer to stagnant economic policies. I must submit the assualt on the middle class began in 1964 when the racist, sexist and bigots highjacked the GOP and crested in 1980 with the trickle down theory of massive defense spending and cuts in the social service safety net enacted after the great depression. The out of control spending, accounting tricks, borrowing form the social security trust fund all have hidden the actual size of the defict. What we have done is shift the burden of financing the government totally onto the middle class. The tax cuts for the rich and corporations, the waste and fraud in the defense sector and the greed and theft in the financial sector all have come home to roost. Government has a role to play in protecting individuals from fraud and providing the necessary services to grow the economy. I do not advocate any large tax increase to achieve the reforms and policy directions I think all of us understand are required to get the country back on a sound footing. Reduce spending, ending the wars and redirecting the existing resources toward a better policy objective, I believe is the answer.

The BS of tax cuts at every turn is not the answer. The reason the country went so long without an income tax was free labor. Texas does not have an income tax, to get around supporting public education and services for its large Hispanic population, which was in Texas long before we arrive to steal that state from Mexico. There are so many issues connected to the public purse string that a simplicty approach to reduce taxes without the companion concern with tax equity and fairness is, in my mind, unfair.

Finally, I am against trampling on anyone rights. Let us make the politicans who suppose to represent us do just that, and stop backing special interest. Attack this problem and it will be easier to address equity and fairness in the tax system, which will lead to a reduction in taxes. The solution is in this very system, not a new one based on our differences and subject to being influenced by money and power. The power brokers are only interested in protecting their interests not the public.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

I think right now he looks better than anyone else on the hill. Wish he would run as Independent though.


Linda Pfaff
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:15 pm

Relative to the Dallas Tea Party event, it was at 3 in the afternoon on a 104 degree National Holiday when Patriots spend time with their families. I did not go to the Dallas event but did attend the well thought out Burleson, Texas Tea Party which was held AFTER the parade, from 10:30am to 12:30 before the 104 degree day hit. Dallas Organizers should have taken a clue….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

Do not forget that same banking system failure caused the great depression. It took us some 70 years until it occured again. What do you object to, the government protecting individual citizens who have lost their jobs, homes and savings to this greed. This is not about Obama as the bankers have all ways stolen from the people unless the government protected us. We are at that stage again. Why is it happening a second time now in 2008 when it happened in 1939. The politicans relaxed the financial regulations which allowed it to happen. That process started in 1980 under Regan and continued until the melt down under Bush. Where was Obama’s involvement? He is the person selected, by the people to clean up the mess. Are you sure you can see past your education, environment and life experiences to clearly judge the problem and not place blame on someone who have had control for six months.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

Do not forget that same banking system failure caused the great depression. It took us some 70 years until it occured again. What do you object to, the government protecting individual citizens who have lost their jobs, homes and savings to this greed. This is not about Obama as the bankers have all ways stolen from the people unless the government protected us. We are at that stage again. Why is it happening a second time now in 2008 when it happened in 1939. The politicans relaxed the financial regulations which allowed it to happen. That process started in 1980 under Regan and continued until the melt down under Bush. Where was Obama’s involvement? He is the person selected, by the people to clean up the mess. Are you sure you can see past your education, environment and life experiences to clearly judge the problem and not place blame on someone who have had control for six months.


ctyankee22
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

Excellent rejoinder.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

Sorry to bring this up, but since I've been called a “nut” by a member of the Tea Party group for my remark about Palen being off track, I think you should see why I made that remark.

Palen's religious beliefs fall into the “The Third Wave – New Apostolic Reformation”. Read what one of her peers in religion think about it.

Sarah Palin’s Churches and The Third Wave New Apostolic Reformation

“Sarah Palin’s churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same ‘Spiritual Warfare’ movement that was featured in the award winning movie, “Jesus Camp,” which showed young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin’s churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to as The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic Reformation. The movement is training a young “Joel’s Army” to take dominion over the United States and the world.

Along with her entire family, Sarah Palin was re-baptized at twelve at the Wasilla Assembly of God in Wasilla, Alaska and she attended the church from the time she was ten until 2002: over two and 1/2 decades. Sarah Palin’s extensive pattern of association with the Wasilla Assembly of God has continued nearly up to the day she was picked by Senator John McCain as a vice-presidential running mate. Palin’s dedication to the Wasilla church is indicated by a Saturday, September 7, 2008, McClatchy news service story detailing possibly improper use of state travel funds by Palin for a trip she made to Wasilla, Alaska to attend, on June 8, 2008, both a Wasilla Assembly of God “Masters Commission” graduation ceremony and also a multi-church Wasilla area event known as “One Lord Sunday.” At the latter event, Palin and Alaska LT Governor Scott Parnell were publicly blessed, onstage before an estimated crowd of 6,000, through the “laying on of hands” by Wasilla Assembly of God’s Head Pastor Ed Kalnins whose sermons espouse such theological concepts as the possession of geographic territories by demonic spirits and the inter-generational transmission of family “curses”. Palin has also been blessed, or “anointed,” by an African cleric, prominent in the Third Wave movement, who has repeatedly visited the Wasilla Assembly of God and claims to have effected positive, dramatic social change in a Kenyan town by driving out a “spirit of witchcraft.”

The Wasilla Assembly of God church is deeply involved with both Third Wave activities and theology. Their Master’s Commission program is part of an three year post-high school international training program with studies in prophecy, intercessory prayer, Biblical exegesis, authority and leadership. The pastor, Ed Kalnins, and Masters Commission students have traveled to South Carolina to participate in a “prophetic conference” at Morningstar Ministries, one of the major ministries of the Third Wave movement. Becky Fischer was a pastor at Morningstar prior to being featured in the movie “Jesus Camp.” The head of prophecy at Morningstar, Steve Thompson, is currently scheduled to do a prophecy seminar at the Wasilla Assembly of God. Other major leaders in the movement have also traveled to Wasilla to visit and speak at the church….

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/200…


bweston112
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

Did you bother to look up the figures George Bush ran up or is your “propaganda” just for the five months Obama has been in office. We were 10 trillion dollars in debt on Jan. 20 according to you. Now let me think, who was President before Jan. 20 when Obama assumed that massive debt.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:06 pm

Honey this is not propoganda. I'm an Independent, not a Republican nor a Democrat. I did look up the figures for Bush.


phow
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:22 pm

Wake up, Read a little bit, Know a little more I Sir am an Independent voter and agree GWB was a horride President. But there are Real issues here that you want to deny because you support a Democrat agenda, The Obama administration Has tripled the national debt , has Nationalized Banks and most major Financial instutitions, Nationalized the Auto industry, is attempting the same with the Energy sector and Health care industry . 1.8 trillion so far that clearly belongs to Obamas attempt to Socialize America . This Is a fact that can not be denied every person born in this country now owes 58-77 thousand dollars in debt to the US Government for the next 4 generations (if our Government doesnt spend another penny) depending on which numbers you believe. To me this is slavery.
Those that think that We in the TEA party movement are closeted republicains or racists or what ever lable you want to attach to us are sadly mistaken by not hearing what we are truly about , so I will help you by giving you it in a nut shell .
We support and Defend the Constitution
We support Small Government ,
We Support Accountiblity of Public Money based on the Federal Governments Role as Defined in the Constituition
Ask your self this( put party aside if you can). Will your Children thank you for leaving them this debt that they had no benefit of or choice in making that enslaves them to the US Government
when all of us will be paying 60 to 70 percent of our earning to this burden .
At some point both parties are responsible past and present, The Tea parties are about reminding our leaders that they are being watched and will be held accountable. If your not willing to enslave your children, then why arent you a member of The Taxed Enough Already movement . Because the purpose was, has and always will be Up holding the Constitution no matter what party is in power.
And for the record The AFA attached itself to the April15th Tea Party protests and yes we took there support just like ACORN and the DNC. the difference is WE are not for sale, have not been conficted of voter fraud or received any Federal Bailout money or all the free press that comes with supporting this Adminisrations Agenda .
Keep spouting the the DNC talking points but with all respect the the DNC had control of Congress for 2 years while Bush was still in office . The reality is that President Obama and the Democratic leadership in Congress are now responsible and will be held accountable
The TEA parties are a threat that might just make a difference in the 2010 elections and Congressional elections are decided generally by a few thousand votes , so continue to ignore and milign us at your own risk
Any Government that passes laws without reading them
Any Government that ignores the will of the people
Any Goverment that Breaks It own Laws
Deserves to be removed
I do agree with you that it is ashamed that the RNC is tring so hard to court us and attach itself to the Tea Party Movement but from my personal observation most members are not swayed by the politics or the partys but by having a sincere consern for our childrens future .


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

This was in a Washington paper today______________

You won’t find too many defenders of George W. Bush’s record on spending these days, even among Republicans. But a check of historical tables compiled by the Office of Management and Budget shows that the spending that so distressed Pelosi and Reid seems downright modest today. After beginning with a Clinton-era surplus of $128 billion in fiscal year 2001, the Bush administration racked up deficits of $158 billion in 2002, $378 billion in 2003, $413 billion in 2004, $318 billion in 2005, $248 billion in 2006, $162 billion in 2007, and $410 billion in 2008.

The current administration would kill to have such small numbers. President Barack Obama is unveiling his budget this week, and, in addition to the inherited Bush deficit, he’s adding his own spending at an astonishing pace, projecting annual deficits well beyond $1 trillion in the near future, and, in the rosiest possible scenario, a $533 billion deficit in fiscal year 2013, the last year of Obama’s first term.

And what about the national debt? It increased from $5 trillion to $10 trillion in the Bush years, leading to dramatically higher interest costs. “We pay in interest four times more than we spend on education and four times what it will cost to cover 10 million children with health insurance for five years,” Pelosi said in 2007. “That’s fiscal irresponsibility.”

Now, under Obama, the national debt — and the interest payments — will increase at a far faster rate than during the Bush years.

“We thought the Bush deficits were big at the time,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, told me this week as he prepared to attend Obama’s Fiscal Responsibility Summit. “But this is going to make the previous administration look like rank amateurs. We could be adding multiple trillions to the national debt in the first year.”

This is what we have to look forward to!


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

In the paper today—————-
You won’t find too many defenders of George W. Bush’s record on spending these days, even among Republicans. But a check of historical tables compiled by the Office of Management and Budget shows that the spending that so distressed Pelosi and Reid seems downright modest today. After beginning with a Clinton-era surplus of $128 billion in fiscal year 2001, the Bush administration racked up deficits of $158 billion in 2002, $378 billion in 2003, $413 billion in 2004, $318 billion in 2005, $248 billion in 2006, $162 billion in 2007, and $410 billion in 2008.

The current administration would kill to have such small numbers. President Barack Obama is unveiling his budget this week, and, in addition to the inherited Bush deficit, he’s adding his own spending at an astonishing pace, projecting annual deficits well beyond $1 trillion in the near future, and, in the rosiest possible scenario, a $533 billion deficit in fiscal year 2013, the last year of Obama’s first term.

And what about the national debt? It increased from $5 trillion to $10 trillion in the Bush years, leading to dramatically higher interest costs. “We pay in interest four times more than we spend on education and four times what it will cost to cover 10 million children with health insurance for five years,” Pelosi said in 2007. “That’s fiscal irresponsibility.”

Now, under Obama, the national debt — and the interest payments — will increase at a far faster rate than during the Bush years.

“We thought the Bush deficits were big at the time,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, told me this week as he prepared to attend Obama’s Fiscal Responsibility Summit. “But this is going to make the previous administration look like rank amateurs. We could be adding multiple trillions to the national debt in the first year.”


phow
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

Yes they did, but every war spending appropiation bill had a thousand earmarks for the same Democratics that are in power today , they are just as responsible. They could have Voted NO but like all politicians they would sell there soul for an ear mark for back home Boot them all out Join a TEA Movement


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 8:00 pm

This was made in the 80's but it could have been made yesterday. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DGfXAvgknM


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

In the paper today—————-
You won’t find too many defenders of George W. Bush’s record on spending these days, even among Republicans. But a check of historical tables compiled by the Office of Management and Budget shows that the spending that so distressed Pelosi and Reid seems downright modest today. After beginning with a Clinton-era surplus of $128 billion in fiscal year 2001, the Bush administration racked up deficits of $158 billion in 2002, $378 billion in 2003, $413 billion in 2004, $318 billion in 2005, $248 billion in 2006, $162 billion in 2007, and $410 billion in 2008.

The current administration would kill to have such small numbers. President Barack Obama is unveiling his budget this week, and, in addition to the inherited Bush deficit, he’s adding his own spending at an astonishing pace, projecting annual deficits well beyond $1 trillion in the near future, and, in the rosiest possible scenario, a $533 billion deficit in fiscal year 2013, the last year of Obama’s first term.

And what about the national debt? It increased from $5 trillion to $10 trillion in the Bush years, leading to dramatically higher interest costs. “We pay in interest four times more than we spend on education and four times what it will cost to cover 10 million children with health insurance for five years,” Pelosi said in 2007. “That’s fiscal irresponsibility.”

Now, under Obama, the national debt — and the interest payments — will increase at a far faster rate than during the Bush years.

“We thought the Bush deficits were big at the time,” Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, told me this week as he prepared to attend Obama’s Fiscal Responsibility Summit. “But this is going to make the previous administration look like rank amateurs. We could be adding multiple trillions to the national debt in the first year.”

IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT TO LEAVE TO YOUR KIDS?????????


nameJefft
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

Hmmmm,37,000 people show up in Dallas,12,000 more than april 15.So tell me again whos losing steam?


nameJefft
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

Clinton NEVER HAD A SURPLUS….Stop with the spin.It was PROJECTED,and it was PROJECTED to be 33 billion.You lefties need to stop making up facts as you go.Something not right about that shit!


jack
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

First of all, I am not a lefty and second I did not write the article. I cut n pasted it right out of the Washington paper. If you bothered to read it all you would see the point is Obama's administration is tubing all of us. The interest payments alone will be close to a Trillion dollars a year if he serves two terms.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 9:02 pm

Good grief. Where in the world will the loan come from? Thanks for posting this, Jack.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

I guess Nancy needs a new pair of earrings to wear under her hijab. Somebody wake me up!!!


JudiBug
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 9:16 pm

Scuse me. I didn't come here to wrestle. Good day all.


jebahoula
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 9:31 pm

Contrary to Abraham Lincoln’s Tax War, The Declaration of Independence on July 4, 1776 stated in all capital letters, three times, that the 13 colonies by right ought to be “Free and Independent States”.
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedo…

Each of the original 13 colonies (all slave-holding) received separate independence from Great Britain in the Treaty of Paris on September 3, 1783 as “free, sovereign and independent states” and Britain agreed to return any runaway slaves to U.S. owners. http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milest…

Great Britain created the 13 colonies and granted them independence. These 13 States created the United States; the United States did NOT create the 13 States.

Therefore, the Southern States had more right to withdraw from the United States in 1861 than the 13 colonies had to secede from England in 1776.

Unless one uses a double standard of judgment, anyone who claims the Southern States were wrong to withdraw from the United States must also conclude that the 13 colonies were even more wrong to withdraw from Great Britain in 1776 and that the United States should not even exist.

Like the Southern States, the United States today would have the right to secede from the United Nations, because the United Nations did not create the United States; the United States created the United Nations.

Abraham Lincoln declared in his First Inaugural Speech on March 4, 1861:
“I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so.”
“The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.”

Abraham Lincoln said he started his War only to collect taxes and not to interfere with slavery, at all, one month before he invaded Charleston Harbor with 11 warships to occupy Fort Sumter, a tax collection fort.

Southerners paid 80% of the federal taxes, while Lincoln’s financial backers, the rich monopoly banks and industries in the North received 80% of the tax benefits.

A few days earlier, with Lincoln’s support, the U.S. Congress passed the Morrill Tariff Act, raising import taxes on Southerners from 20% to 40% and passed a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting the Federal government from ever interfering with slavery in any State. http://www.nationalcenter.org/LincolnFirstInaug…

Lincoln’s Tax War was the last time Americans would fight on the battlefield for low taxes and local self-government and Jefferson Davis was the last real American president, as envisioned by the Founding Fathers.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:19 am

I have been “paying attention” for a long time-and I bet it’s longer than you have been on this earth. I didn’t suddenly become aware because of these “parties”. I have seriously protesting the abuses of government for the better part of my life. BOTH parties have been guilty of irresponsible behavior but the worst abuses have occurred under REPUBLICANS. The “runaway spending, overblown government and trampling of our constitution” were hallmarks of the Bush administration. Why didn’t you have your parties then? And Republicans who are largely responsible for this mess will not accept one shred of responsiblity for any of it-THEY are the ones who are playing the blame game- their main focus is trying to shift all of the blame to the Democrats, and THEY are the ones that are being obstructionist instead of trying to find solutions. I am troubled by a lot of Obama’s decisions and I don’t hesitate do make my feelings known-I badger my congressmember constantly and I am very involved in the process. It is our right and our duty as Americans citizens to be involved in OUR government-something that Bush/Cheney/Rove had absolutely no respect for. Any thinking person knows that there are no quick or easy solutions to any of this but we seem to have a generation that is so used to instant gratification that they expect thirty-odd years of mismanagement, and eight years of UTTER mismanagement to be cleared up in a matter of months. Time only will tell if Obama is on the right track but at least we have a leader who takes his duty to the public trust seriously-something that was NEVER true of Bushco-and being involved is essential to keep such crises from happening again.
Don’t lecture me on activism. I have been doing it for a long time.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:19 am

I have been “paying attention” for a long time-and I bet it’s longer than you have been on this earth. I didn’t suddenly become aware because of these “parties”. I have seriously protesting the abuses of government for the better part of my life. BOTH parties have been guilty of irresponsible behavior but the worst abuses have occurred under REPUBLICANS. The “runaway spending, overblown government and trampling of our constitution” were hallmarks of the Bush administration. Why didn’t you have your parties then? And Republicans who are largely responsible for this mess will not accept one shred of responsiblity for any of it-THEY are the ones who are playing the blame game- their main focus is trying to shift all of the blame to the Democrats, and THEY are the ones that are being obstructionist instead of trying to find solutions. I am troubled by a lot of Obama’s decisions and I don’t hesitate do make my feelings known-I badger my congressmember constantly and I am very involved in the process. It is our right and our duty as Americans citizens to be involved in OUR government-something that Bush/Cheney/Rove had absolutely no respect for. Any thinking person knows that there are no quick or easy solutions to any of this but we seem to have a generation that is so used to instant gratification that they expect thirty-odd years of mismanagement, and eight years of UTTER mismanagement to be cleared up in a matter of months. Time only will tell if Obama is on the right track but at least we have a leader who takes his duty to the public trust seriously-something that was NEVER true of Bushco-and being involved is essential to keep such crises from happening again.
Don’t lecture me on activism. I have been doing it for a long time.


nameJefft
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 10:19 pm

OK so your not a lefty….then you should know to believe about 1/100 of what you read in 99% of newspapers.I am with you,I agree that Obama is boning us all.We are in for some very serious shit in the not to distant future!


PunkyAmerica
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 10:29 pm

To angry, bigoted Republican teabaggers who pretend they're just regular Joes upset by corruption in Washington: The problem is you, and always has been. Don't you vote? Don't you pay attention to what your elected officials are doing? If Washington is such a cesspool that you must 'rise up', I challenge you to tell me how it got that way. Do politicians elect themselves?

In the America I live in, citizens look at the voting records of campaigning politicians, compare their record to their rhetoric, and then make choices for the most honest public servant. So how did all those crooks get to Washington again? You teabaggers say you're the Silent Majority, which means you're the ones who've been electing these crooks and liars all along.

You get the government you vote for. Instead of crying in your beer and releasing your frightened inner white child, how about spending that energy contacting your elected officials and pressuring them to do what you voted for them to do. Instead of hiding under your bed so the brown people don't get you, how about manning up and owning what your party has done in your name the past ten years?

And then grow up and accept the fact that none of us gets the world just the way we want it. If you can't do that, then get the eff out. As in, America, Love It or Leave It.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:46 am

BUSH did that-or more accurately Cheney, since that corporate pirate pretty much dictated economic policy.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2006/3327halliburton_fraud.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney07052006.html
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090601/scahill
Cheney should be sitting in a cell next to Madoff.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:46 am

BUSH did that-or more accurately Cheney, since that corporate pirate pretty much dictated economic policy.
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2006/3327halliburton_fraud.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/whitney07052006.html
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090601/scahill
Cheney should be sitting in a cell next to Madoff.


PunkyAmerica
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

P.S. to some of you silly TBaggers…There's a difference between giving away tax dollars to crooks and liars (like your leaders did before Obama ever got into office, with no strings attached and no transparency) and INVESTING tax dollars in ways that may bring returns. Get it? One way is just raiding the Treasury before you leave office, and the other way is hopeful of real payback down the road.

Not a damn one of you was flapping your yaps last year, when almost 10 trillion dollars was promised by your boy george, with ZERO chance of return:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087… ($2 tril, Nov 08)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid=an3k2rZM… ($7 tril, Nov 08)

Not a peep out of you then. That's cuz the white guys were giving our dough to other white guys, right, or maybe cuz y'all were still reeling over the fact you couldn't steal THIS election?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:10 am

Newt Gingrich is NOT a Conservative by any stretch. Please do some reading and get your targets right at least?

You have no credibility.
Yes I’ll admit it, I’m a hater, a hater of slavery, communism and all the bills that are pending that are going to make us into a fascist totalitarian regime with a clueless puppet in charge.

Palin has not done one thing wrong… and if believing in the Constitution is ‘right’ wing, then WE ARE RIGHT and you are WRONG.

Period.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:10 am

Newt Gingrich is NOT a Conservative by any stretch. Please do some reading and get your targets right at least?

You have no credibility.
Yes I’ll admit it, I’m a hater, a hater of slavery, communism and all the bills that are pending that are going to make us into a fascist totalitarian regime with a clueless puppet in charge.

Palin has not done one thing wrong… and if believing in the Constitution is ‘right’ wing, then WE ARE RIGHT and you are WRONG.

Period.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:12 am

OBAMA = 350 SCANDALS IN JUST 120 DAYS

Now there’s accomplishment!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:12 am

OBAMA = 350 SCANDALS IN JUST 120 DAYS

Now there’s accomplishment!


Tv's Frank
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:12 pm

“To angry, bigoted Republican teabaggers…”

Me thinks doth PROJECT too much.

You did indicate “Republican,” as opposed to “Conservative,” so you win a cookie.

And to those two (or three) “angry, bigoted Republicans” this “useful idiot” (“You get the government you vote for…” + “…none of us gets the world just the way we want it” = huh?) is referring to…

JOIN THE HATE FILLED DEMOCRATS WHO BOW AT THE ALTER OF “LA RAZA,” THE MOST RACIST ORGANIZATION IN AMERICA TODAY, AND LEARN FROM THE “EUGENISTS ELITE.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:13 am

OK if it makes you feel better. Bush was not so hot, Obama has 350 scandals in 120 days… Happy now?
LOL


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:13 am

OK if it makes you feel better. Bush was not so hot, Obama has 350 scandals in 120 days… Happy now?
LOL


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:15 am

The last 120 days has topped anything that was done in the last 30 years combined. As for the comment about N jokes, I never saw one thing that could be called racist, or even a sign to that effect, so please stop making things up DAVID.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:15 am

The last 120 days has topped anything that was done in the last 30 years combined. As for the comment about N jokes, I never saw one thing that could be called racist, or even a sign to that effect, so please stop making things up DAVID.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:22 am

Please give us some credible sources? Counterpunch is nothing but a communist rag sheet.

You know, it’s funny how you hard core lefties cling to your cliches about racism and bigotry, but when anyone differs from your views, you are the most hateful, intolerant, bigoted, angry and devious, litigious, and calling names to deflect anything and anyone you don’t like.

Please learn to practice what you preach before you start accusing others.

LOOK IN THE MIRROR for gosh sakes!
And when it comes to corporate shills, Obama bypassed even trying to cover it up and handed
the money straight to the banking cartel… who are rolling in dough. Soros is laughing
because out of this crisis he HELPED CREATE, he made $1.2B while I lost
my 401K.

Smarten up idiots.. you are being played from both sides.. STOP DEFENDING this POS
we have for a puppet president!

Obama Endorses Soros Plan to Loot America

http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff306.htm

READ!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:22 am

Please give us some credible sources? Counterpunch is nothing but a communist rag sheet.

You know, it’s funny how you hard core lefties cling to your cliches about racism and bigotry, but when anyone differs from your views, you are the most hateful, intolerant, bigoted, angry and devious, litigious, and calling names to deflect anything and anyone you don’t like.

Please learn to practice what you preach before you start accusing others.

LOOK IN THE MIRROR for gosh sakes!
And when it comes to corporate shills, Obama bypassed even trying to cover it up and handed
the money straight to the banking cartel… who are rolling in dough. Soros is laughing
because out of this crisis he HELPED CREATE, he made $1.2B while I lost
my 401K.

Smarten up idiots.. you are being played from both sides.. STOP DEFENDING this POS
we have for a puppet president!

Obama Endorses Soros Plan to Loot America

http://www.newswithviews.com/Kincaid/cliff306.htm

READ!


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:32 pm

Hate filled democrats? Do you see us killing in the name of pro life? do you see us blowing up federal buildings like one of Rush's fans did? Republican'ts are the problem because they thing violence is the answer to EVERYTHING.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:35 pm

wow. you can spin like a fox (contributor). Why do you think we have to spend our way out of the sh*t hole that your boy left us?


sylhines
Comment posted July 5, 2009 @ 11:50 pm

Protesting is as american as apple pie, but you have to be careful who is driving the protest and what unintended consequences can result from such a movement. Rallying for lower taxes without addressing tax equity, closing loopholes and fairness is dangerous. You have to be aware of the power broker who use their money to influence politics. What you protest may lead to a more disparate tax system. For example, Howard Javis and somke friends started a grass root movement in CA to protect property owners from rising property taxes. Everyone jumped on board and CA passed prop 13. It generally prevented local governments from raising property taxes above a certain %. It was billed as a prop to keep seniors in their homes in the face of rising home values and higher tax assessments. What it turned out to be was a foil for commercial property owners, which what Javis was, and who he represented. Now some 30 years later, the state is hamstrung in raising the revenue necessary to operate government. Most properties are exempt from any tax increase under prop13, and another prop requires a 2/3 vote of the legislature to raise taxes. The GOP minority in the legislature has refused to cooperate in that endeavor, and the state has not passed a budget on time in the last 10 years. Not only on time but an appropriate balance of revenue and expenditures. This problem first manifested itself under Gray Davis and the public was so outraged it allowed itself to be tricked into recalling the governor. Now, in his second term Arnold Terminator is facing the same problems. CA is now issusing IOUs and its legislature in gridlock.

Ronald Regan left CA with the support of this same power circle and came to DC to spew the tax cuts and smaller government routine. I submit the unintended consequences of protesting without understanding the complexity of the problem is possible in the tea parties. We are now paying for Regan's tax cuts and over spending starting in 1980 and finalized by W during the last 8 years. We should not rush to a populist revolution around these problems least we find ourselves like CA, wondering how we got hoodwinked.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:59 am

Since Palin (with an ‘i’) never ONCE mentioned her church or forcing any of you to be subjected to her ‘religion’ (otherwise, we would know more about it), I can’t see what a problem it is. On the other hand, we have Muslims here in this country scheming to harm us…. and they think they have the upper hand now because they elected one of theirs. We also see why Obama is so hateful — he hung around with some of the worst racists and anti-Semites, famous ones! I suppose that makes you all forced to be racists and anti-Semites now? Just a few weeks ago his pastor made some horrid comment in public about ‘Jews’.

So here we have Obama, friends with people who blew up the Pentagon and whose church preaches hate and you’re criticizing the sweet gentile Palin who wouldn’t hurt a flea or tolerate that sort of thing?
Amazing.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:59 am

Since Palin (with an ‘i’) never ONCE mentioned her church or forcing any of you to be subjected to her ‘religion’ (otherwise, we would know more about it), I can’t see what a problem it is. On the other hand, we have Muslims here in this country scheming to harm us…. and they think they have the upper hand now because they elected one of theirs. We also see why Obama is so hateful — he hung around with some of the worst racists and anti-Semites, famous ones! I suppose that makes you all forced to be racists and anti-Semites now? Just a few weeks ago his pastor made some horrid comment in public about ‘Jews’.

So here we have Obama, friends with people who blew up the Pentagon and whose church preaches hate and you’re criticizing the sweet gentile Palin who wouldn’t hurt a flea or tolerate that sort of thing?
Amazing.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:08 am

What do you think this means?

“The movement is training a young “Joel’s Army” to take dominion over the United States and the world.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:08 am

What do you think this means?

“The movement is training a young “Joel’s Army” to take dominion over the United States and the world.”


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:15 am

Anyone who ever has studied the bible as literature KNOWS that is not LITERAL… it doesn’t mean war, violence or anything like that. it means to hopefully create peace and people who believe in God.

Biblical language would be more forceful if it meant to smite someone.. geesh. On the other hand, Muslims are told to take the world by blowing it up… and themselves up! Quite a difference.

The Jehovah’s try to take dominion — they show up at my door all the time. Ever hear the song, “Onward Christian Soldiers”??? It doesn’t mean soldiers as in war, just those wanting to spread the word. I know of no Christian religion that promotes violence… NONE.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:15 am

Anyone who ever has studied the bible as literature KNOWS that is not LITERAL… it doesn’t mean war, violence or anything like that. it means to hopefully create peace and people who believe in God.

Biblical language would be more forceful if it meant to smite someone.. geesh. On the other hand, Muslims are told to take the world by blowing it up… and themselves up! Quite a difference.

The Jehovah’s try to take dominion — they show up at my door all the time. Ever hear the song, “Onward Christian Soldiers”??? It doesn’t mean soldiers as in war, just those wanting to spread the word. I know of no Christian religion that promotes violence… NONE.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:27 am

Sorry but I really have checked this out thoroughly and they mean it literally. That’s why they actually train children to fight. Everyone has a right to believe what they want to, but when they aspire to be president — well surely we don’t want one who believes in mixing religion of any kind and state. I am a christian, but I don’t believe in Hitler’s brand of christianity either.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:27 am

Sorry but I really have checked this out thoroughly and they mean it literally. That’s why they actually train children to fight. Everyone has a right to believe what they want to, but when they aspire to be president — well surely we don’t want one who believes in mixing religion of any kind and state. I am a christian, but I don’t believe in Hitler’s brand of christianity either.


joyceL
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 12:32 am

Dear sirs – I attended the tea party at Charlston and was very happy with the turn-out. What is it with you guys and numbers ? Is it not enough to see a people [be it medium amount] that gather to discuss the independence of the United states and the destruction that our very own president is doing ? Can not you people just listen to the ordinary people [us] and hear what we are saying??

I cannot believe a newspaper will overlook the issues and just belittle the whole event — OUR GOVERNMENT AND PRESIDENT is distroying what our forefathers have fought for and died for – our liberty/independence in religion /as an individual NOT socialism under the government!!
We need to read the constitution again and see what is really happening in front of us and at a fast rate. Mr. NEWSPAPER – please do that and write the truth!!


jack
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 12:34 am

Transparency Huh? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:36 am

You are so critical of me.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:36 am

You are so critical of me.


jack
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 12:36 am

You obviously don't pay attention to what elected officials are doing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:38 am

This is bullshit plain and simply and you are just an anti-Christian bigot… they don’t teach them to ‘fight’ and you know it.

Hitler was not a Christian, he was a gaian, he worshipped nature and animals like the eco-nuts of today…

Muslims preach hate and killing but you are just ok with that. Hypocrite.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:38 am

This is bullshit plain and simply and you are just an anti-Christian bigot… they don’t teach them to ‘fight’ and you know it.

Hitler was not a Christian, he was a gaian, he worshipped nature and animals like the eco-nuts of today…

Muslims preach hate and killing but you are just ok with that. Hypocrite.


jack
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 12:40 am

Your an idoit–check the facts— watch this and tell me I am making it up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Yes, he was. I can look it up for you if you like. I am not ok with Muslims because they believe THEY have to take over the world.

I wish you would calm down before you jump to conclusions.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Yes, he was. I can look it up for you if you like. I am not ok with Muslims because they believe THEY have to take over the world.

I wish you would calm down before you jump to conclusions.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:43 am

I voted for an independent type candidate because I thought it was the right thing for me to do.


jack
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 12:43 am

To all that want to really see what goes on in our Government… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8 this is our Government in action.


melissatx
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 12:47 am

There are a lot of juvenile narcissists on this board who hide behind their computers and drone on about “it's all your fault” baloney to people like me who attend tea parties. We are not Republicans, we are not Libertarians or Constitutionalists. We are Ameicans who are sick and tired of our government handing out money for programs we don't need, paid to people under investigation for fraud, for “disasters” made and manipulated by the liberal politices of the the left for the last 40 years. We are Americans and we are damn proud of capitalism and the free market the president is hell bent on destroying: the same capitalism and free market that produced a society with a rate of livving second to none; where even the poorest people in our country very often have a TV and are never turned away from a hospital.

We are Americans that are damn tired of our resources and wealth being transferred to illegals, to 2nd and 3rd generation welfare recipients with no incentive or drive to get off the government dole. We resent the hell out of paying for either class, not matter the race or sex of either, because they didn't earn it. The money is not theirs to receive. That is what churches and charities are for, not our pocketbooks.

We are Americans that pay our taxes and are damn tired of more and more of it going down a black hole and less and less of it coming home. The government, this government in particular is a money grubbing self perpetuating behemoth that will suck the very life out of this country.

No sir, we are not the problem.
But wagging your finger while you sit in your easy chair and do nothing to stop such a calamity as it happens makes you a part of the problem, rather than the solution.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:51 am

After I found out I had been fooled by Bush, I made up my mind that I would not vote for another candidate before I checked them thoroughly. Subsequently, I switched to being independent again as I used to be. I am just a regular person, but I do my best to do the right then.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:51 am

After I found out I had been fooled by Bush, I made up my mind that I would not vote for another candidate before I checked them thoroughly. Subsequently, I switched to being independent again as I used to be. I am just a regular person, but I do my best to do the right then.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:52 am

Apparently you didn’t do much research that was in plain sight about who owns Obama… and that he is the least independent of any of them as we now see from the teleprompter!

This I don’t believe. If Hitler was a Christian it was in name only.. he worshipped GAIA. Did you know that before it was associated with nazism or anything bad, the swastika is a Persian symbol for the EARTH???

It symbolized earth, fire, wind, and water, all of which they wanted to worship and dominate…


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:52 am

Apparently you didn’t do much research that was in plain sight about who owns Obama… and that he is the least independent of any of them as we now see from the teleprompter!

This I don’t believe. If Hitler was a Christian it was in name only.. he worshipped GAIA. Did you know that before it was associated with nazism or anything bad, the swastika is a Persian symbol for the EARTH???

It symbolized earth, fire, wind, and water, all of which they wanted to worship and dominate…


melissatx
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 12:52 am

BTW-Dallas had over 35,000 in attendance.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 6:04 am

Well, now I see that this source says he used christian beliefs to sway people to his cause.

“In public statements, especially at the beginning of his rule, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture and his belief in the “Aryan” Christ. Joachim Fest wrote, “Hitler knew, through the constant invocation of the God the Lord (German: Herrgott) or of providence (German: Vorsehung), to make the impression of a godly way of thought.”[8] He used his “ability to simulate, even to potentially critical Church leaders, an image of a leader keen to uphold and protect Christianity,” according to Ian Kershaw.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs

Who really knows? The man was probably insane enough to believe he was a christian. I’m way lost on this thread and need to get some sleep. Goodnight.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 6:04 am

Well, now I see that this source says he used christian beliefs to sway people to his cause.

“In public statements, especially at the beginning of his rule, Hitler frequently spoke positively about the Christian heritage of German culture and his belief in the “Aryan” Christ. Joachim Fest wrote, “Hitler knew, through the constant invocation of the God the Lord (German: Herrgott) or of providence (German: Vorsehung), to make the impression of a godly way of thought.”[8] He used his “ability to simulate, even to potentially critical Church leaders, an image of a leader keen to uphold and protect Christianity,” according to Ian Kershaw.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs

Who really knows? The man was probably insane enough to believe he was a christian. I’m way lost on this thread and need to get some sleep. Goodnight.


jack
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 1:15 am

When it comes to Politics most people will stand by and watch a house burn to the ground arguing whose fault it is rather than working together to put it out. That is exactly the way the Government wants it. Keep on sticking up for your guy and then wonder where the hell we went wrong. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


fred2
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 2:00 am

“Hate filled democrats? Do you see us killing in the name of pro life?”

First, the vast majority of pro-lifers like myself think killing abortionists is as morally wrong as committing abortion. It's like how Dr. King never encourage his supporters to shoot back when being attacked by police dogs and fire hoses.

BTW, where was your outrage when a soldier in Arkansas was gunned down by an “anti-war” protestor:

“do you see us blowing up federal buildings like one of Rush's fans did?”

After Prop. 8 passed, White homosexual activists (mostly Democrats) vandalized churches and assaulted Christians:

http://www.citizenlink.org/turnsignal/A00000879…

These activists also assaulted innocent Black people no matter their sexual preference:

http://holycoast.blogspot.com/2008/11/n.html

Why didn't Democrats like yourself denounce such terrorist acts?


Mary B
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 2:16 am

We don't want GOP support — this is a protest from the citizens. We are against all the politicians who vote on huge bills without even reading them! You are not serving your constituents. Any voter, from any party that can say he/she agrees with bills being voted on without being read, with last minute 300 page amendments being delivered in the wee hours of the morning is a liar or ignorant.

You ALL should up up in arms at the recklessness and deceit that is going on. Is this how our government is suppose to work. Would you allow any business to be run this way? How is this any different than the way this country has been run the last 8 years? There has been no change – unless you count the increase in our national debt.

Everyone should be up in arms. I voted for my legislator to be informed and to vote intelligently. Not to be arm twisted into voting a certain way.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 2:28 am

Mary B. – Your organizers need to word what they protesting to the media to include the past administration as well as the present. It's not too late to make it clear you noticed alright on anything Bush did as well as Obama. Or maybe they did that already, I don't know.


DV
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 2:59 am

If you want lower taxes, demand the pentagon budget be cut. HALF of every tax dollar goes right to the military industrial complex, but the conservatards never question it. Fools.


sylhines
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:00 am

We resent payimg welfare payments to the southern states, defense contractors, financial and insurance middle men, crop assistance, business handouts and the likes that usually go to males. For your information your welfare is parity, crop subsity, tax incremental financing etc. but when it goes to someone not like you it is welfare. Wake up and face your racism.


sylhines
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:12 am

most of the tea baggers pay no more in taxes than any hard working immigrant. This is purely reactionary and they are being used by political and religious scondrels. Their anger is that they have been used the last 30 years and now they feel lost. America will not buy hate and religious family values any more to appease the narrow minded people while the crooks steal us blind. You tea baggers picked the wrong party, the GOP and it burned you. How long did it take you to realize you were in bed with racist, sexist, bigots and war mongers. We have a near melt down and you are just waking up. While you are at it, stop giving your money to the religious scoundrels and the snake oil salesmen. Wedge politics are over, be a part of the solutions to our problems not a part of any crack pot movement controlled by the GOP.


kmdippenger
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:30 am

I hope all you tea party people (and everyone else ) have taken time to study the biography of John Adams. It's an amazing book about the start of this great country and the role of the federal government. So much of what he said back then corresponds to the discussions we still are having today. The most striking to me was his understanding that the federal govt needs to make a priority of a strong education system, especially helping those less fortunate among us to get ahead. John Adams would welcome your freedom of speech, but he would debate your gripe against taxes and the federal government.


kmdippenger
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:39 am

You can tell alot about a society by the way they care for their fellow man. I am proud to be an American because we don't shut the door and put the onus on someone else. Is there room for improvement and cleaning up our programs, YES…but having lived in several European countries, I can tell you that we DON”T have a standard of living second to none. We are sorely lacking in many many fronts. Funny that you think a strong standard of living is measured by owning a tv. I measure it by level of education for one and I'm convinced that by better educating ALL Americans, we can close the gaps in our society.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:52 am

Yeah I guess we are not as nice as the leftist horror show that burned down the church in Wasilla…


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:54 am

Yes, we saw you burning churches, intimidating voters, filing frivolous lawsuits and registering people to vote illegally.. in fact we caught one here in the east just the other day who voted twice.. he wasn't the only one I suspect. Most crime is black on white…hate crimes that is…

I see Democrats doing a lot worse — they are killing the country now.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:56 am

Funny you should talk about religious scoundrels…that's exactly what Obama is.. l guess now he's proven to be a scumbag and a liar, and plunged from messianic favor with those who have buyer's remorse, you think you'd have learned your lessons?


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:58 am

SO move to Russia if you love it so much.

Education is nothing but a waste of money on leftist indoctrination… so please keep quiet about that..we're sick of hearing about throwing more money into THAT hole.

Educate yourself first to find out what that is about.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 3:59 am

Yeah you should be more careful than to let your Democrat party of the rich be run by George Soros, convicted criminal and Nazi sympathizer. Maybe the churches are being burned thanks to him?


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:00 am

Wow talk about crooks and liars? So you don't mind Obama looted our treasury to give to the banking cartels ala Rockefeller? OH wait, he's God so it's OK.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:03 am

Yes we did see YOU BLOWING UP FEDERAL BUILDINGS. People died because Obama's best friend Bill Ayers blew up the Pentagon and other people's HOMES. And Ted Kaczynski had Al Gore's book in his cabin.. shall I continue?

Leftists are the violent ones…. how about burning down a church in Wasilla or billy clubbing us as we tried to vote in Chicago? Get real.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:05 am

Weigel just wanted traffic for his site. He's such a lousy author anyway… the title is obviously incitement to rage… how can he show his face on the street?


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:06 am

So our 'boy' (not that he was) spent a lot, but your BOY, no pun intended, spent 10X as much so that's OK?

Explain please.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 9:07 am

I am back up after a short rest but won’t stay up long. I wanted to give you information that you can read and assess for yourself. There’s a lot of info on Joel’s army on the internet, but I consider the following to be more accurate.

Here’s an article written by a woman who is very into end time prophecy and as such is very knowledgeable about various end time movements or churches including Joel’s Army which she does not endorse due to their beliefs that include a real military army being a real goal..

The following are some excerpts from what she has posted in regard to the Joel’s Army beliefs.

“Joel’s Army Teachings:

* They teach the deification of man and deny exclusive deity of God. Proponents of this teaching believe we will be as God and that this army literally BECOMES Christ!

* They teach and believe in the immortality and glorification of the elect “New Breed” or “Manifested Sons of God” aside from the literal presence of Christ.

* They believe that scripture is NOT the ONLY source of redemptive truth but rather there is progressive revelation through angelic visitations, dreams, and visions that are discouraged from being examined in the light of scripture.

* Their agenda is political- they want to take over the world (for Jesus of course) and believe that those in opposition to this should die.”

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/joels-army-still-marching/

Can certain groups of christians really get that far out? They can and have. Though Palen has never spoken about this we can look to her position of a pro-war stance and also see how she could see herself be reaching out to further their goals in the roll of commander in chief.

As I say, it’s up to each person to assess what that might mean to us.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 9:07 am

I am back up after a short rest but won’t stay up long. I wanted to give you information that you can read and assess for yourself. There’s a lot of info on Joel’s army on the internet, but I consider the following to be more accurate.

Here’s an article written by a woman who is very into end time prophecy and as such is very knowledgeable about various end time movements or churches including Joel’s Army which she does not endorse due to their beliefs that include a real military army being a real goal..

The following are some excerpts from what she has posted in regard to the Joel’s Army beliefs.

“Joel’s Army Teachings:

* They teach the deification of man and deny exclusive deity of God. Proponents of this teaching believe we will be as God and that this army literally BECOMES Christ!

* They teach and believe in the immortality and glorification of the elect “New Breed” or “Manifested Sons of God” aside from the literal presence of Christ.

* They believe that scripture is NOT the ONLY source of redemptive truth but rather there is progressive revelation through angelic visitations, dreams, and visions that are discouraged from being examined in the light of scripture.

* Their agenda is political- they want to take over the world (for Jesus of course) and believe that those in opposition to this should die.”

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/joels-army-still-marching/

Can certain groups of christians really get that far out? They can and have. Though Palen has never spoken about this we can look to her position of a pro-war stance and also see how she could see herself be reaching out to further their goals in the roll of commander in chief.

As I say, it’s up to each person to assess what that might mean to us.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:08 am

Judi, pardon me but this is none of your damned business! We have freedom of religion around here or so I thought. How would you like to have YOUR religion made fun of?

It's not even relevant to the conversation and you are a nazi for even mentioning it.

You are scary and don't understand what freedom and tolerance mean!


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:17 am

You are quite intolerant of others though… that's bigotry plain and simple.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 9:23 am

Stewart I will say again. I am not a Democrat, nor a Republican, I am an independent. I do not have sour grapes because as far as I was concerned our country was already in a state of ruin due to Bush’s mania to make all the money off of us he could for his buds before he got out of office.

Further more I have a brain and use it frequently to think for myself. You, who knows even what you are talking about. I am an old lady living in a nice brick house and have an education.

Still further I am not leaving America and neither can you make me. Also just running your mouth off is not a sign of intelligence.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 9:23 am

Stewart I will say again. I am not a Democrat, nor a Republican, I am an independent. I do not have sour grapes because as far as I was concerned our country was already in a state of ruin due to Bush’s mania to make all the money off of us he could for his buds before he got out of office.

Further more I have a brain and use it frequently to think for myself. You, who knows even what you are talking about. I am an old lady living in a nice brick house and have an education.

Still further I am not leaving America and neither can you make me. Also just running your mouth off is not a sign of intelligence.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:24 am

Who's business can it be in your opinion? People who plan to run for president always have their religion scrutinized. People thought it was relevant to Obama, and they did the same with Mitt Romney and McCain and Bush before that. Maybe you're more upset in this case for a good reason being that you want her for president and you don't want this getting out?

As far as I'm concerned I have very good reason to be concerned about a potential president who believes in training children to go to battle. Talk about nazi…


JudiBug
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:30 am

Reply to NAdover: Who's business can it be in your opinion? People who plan to run for president always have their religion scrutinized. People thought it was relevant to Obama, and they did the same with Mitt Romney and McCain and Bush before that. Maybe you're more upset in this case for a good reason being that you want her for president and you don't want this getting out?

As far as I'm concerned I have very good reason to be concerned about a potential president who believes in training children to go to battle. Talk about nazi…


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:45 am

HUH? Want WHAT “getting out”? That a person goes to church? Shameful! I love to know she has faith… it's wonderful. And if you want to talk about a president who has a religion that trains children to go to battle how about the kids that blow themselves up for Obama's faith? I doubt her religion says that at all… geesh. It's CHRISTIAN for crying out loud.

I see you aren't worried about Obama's admitted Muslim faith, a religion that instructs people to blow themselves up and kill anyone who is not a Muslim or who allows men to kill their wives when they get sick of them!!!!!!!!

Hypocrite. I hope you are never a subject of Sharia Law!


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:46 am

BREAKING NEWS – BIDEN ADMITS THAT HE AND WIZ KID OBAMA 'GOOFED' on the economy!

Wow…. that's the end of the lefties…. yep.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:47 am

You're wrong again, we are anti-war… it's called Paleo-conservative, and it means non-interventionist. Look it up if you know how to read…


JudiBug
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:52 am

I personally researched Obama's church way before Hannity got hold of it. I am not a Democrat, I AM AN INDEPENDENT who thinks for herself and researches for herself. I don't want to be subject to anyone else's religion including Palens.


jack
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:56 am

He said he was sorry!


jack
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:58 am

Not about parties — wanna see where your money went? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


jack
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:01 am

This is about as clear as you can get without hitting you over the head with a mallet——–Defend this or forever shut your holes!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


JudiBug
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:12 am

Sorry Jack. I don't have audio right now. Chances are I would agree though.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:17 am

So when's he gonna return my 401K?


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:35 am

This is just not true… the religion does not teach kids to 'fight'… good grief. We would have heard of this before.

So it doesn't bother you about Obama's being a Muslim, a faith that teaches violence? Admit it, you voted for this creep and you are just an anti-Christian bigot.


Charles
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 6:11 am

Evidently the sane parts of Texas. The Tea Bagging at Discovery Green in Houston drew crowds measuring in the tens yesterday – no surprise there's no big mention of it here. The Chronicle didn't even bother to cover it, and the ABC affiliate fell on the sword to show us the rows and rows of pristine chairs intently listening to the speakers. You people would be funny if you weren't so utterly sad!


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

I read the whole thing… Innapropriate is if I grabbed your ass or insulted your mother. ;) Look, when America was formed it was realized that all forms of governement are corrupt. It cant be helped. Hence all the checks and balances which barely seems to keep things in check. What I am saying is that I would rather you have some of those tax dollars to use in the charity of your choice. Not force everyone into certain charities. Alot of charities do very well without government assistance. When was the last time you had to recieve unemployment or you were at the DMV for several hours? Broken.

Look I see you just want things to be good as do I, but things like the patriot act and socialized healthcare are like fresh meat to those who would use it incorrectly and unjustly.

So minds like yours and mine need to find some common ground? I have some other theories as to whats part wrong with healthcare. Have you ever tried to get into med school? Do you know how difficult they make it for even really intelligent people with only good intentions to become one? Doctors are in such short supply that MANY are millionaires. God bless em but 100 years ago that kind of income was not common. I want them to be compensated well for what they do but most doctors I know make that or more.

Also I used to do research for disease treatment. We give all this money towards research and it is dumped into $80 glass test tubes? If researchers dont spend all their money they dont get more the next year. So companies that make medical research equipment charge exorbitant prices to soak it up.

Nobody talks about these issues. Why? Before we go throwing our money in a big pile hoping it will cure our health insurance costs maybe we should plug the leaks…

Love ya man! I hope everyone stays healthy and Im sorry for being mean sometimes but I am only trying to find the truth…

God bless ya! (Hope your not offended)


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nameJefft
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 11:01 am

Interesting,I just checked on the Houston stats….police estimates were any wheres from 5-8,000….So I'm not sure where your getting your number's from.But then again that's what lefties in America do.Make up fact's and figure's to fit their certain cause.No t surprising.Well you have a fantastic day….Me,well I have to work.You should try it sometime because pretty soon Obama will have bankrupted us and your handout's will cease!


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

Might want to do your homework on that. Obama has spent .06% of the current
hole we are in just trying to get us back to something sustainable.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

the proper phrase would be “you’re an idiot” not “your an idoit”


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

your side isn’t know for it’s ability to count.


chris_stl
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 11:56 am

You should ask Mr. Bush. Obama is redirecting your request to Mr. Bush. Bush is still holding your 401K.


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:34 pm

Obama spent more than every president in the last 30 years combined. And now Biden is saying they GOOFED. How do you spend MORE to get back to something ‘sustainable’? Wow you people know how to fling around meaningless words.. It’ breathtaking how ignorant you are.

I think it’s you who voted for these charlatans who goofed.

All that money was payoff for the people who supported him, and the rich, and the middle class will bear the burden. Not ONE job has been created and we lost half a million jobs just last week because businesses are so scared of these COMMIES.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:50 pm

This is the key here: All these koolaid drinkers think they are going to GET something for FREE on the backs of those who WORK.

Their god-like worship of this person is frightening and he’s the closes thing to Hitler this country has ever had.

Check this out: Sotomayer will not qualify because she belongs to LaRAZA, the worst hate group who wants to overthrow the government as well as the PR version of MALDEF.

http://www.newswithviews.com/NWV-News/news152.htm

We are headed for scary times people! Keep your powder dry….


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

you buy too much spin. Ayres blew up nothing and was convicted of nothing.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

And which al gore book would that have been at the time? the one he wrote a
decade later?


jtsgrandmom
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:08 pm

Losing steam? What PLANET ARE YOU ON? There were more tea parties on July 4th than on April 15th. OVER 2,000 of them. More people showed up at more places on Saturday. Try reporting facts and not just your Ovomite wishful thinking.


jtsgrandmom
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Don't forget to ignore the ones now scheduled for Sept 12 all over and a huge rally in DC, Sept. 11, 12 and 13th. For interested parties, google the DC March, or check glenn becks's 912 project or go to resistent.com. You will find loads of sites who are organizing. The movement is gaining momentum. Don't believe media. A lie by omission is still a lie.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:15 pm

Wow. Uninformed much??? Soros is a Nazi death camp survivor. He has a lovely tattoo to prove it. Just ask him, he'll show it to you. Party of the rich? AHAHAHAHAHAHA!


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

What sources would you consider credible? (The rightwing rag that you posted? With an article by an ultraconservative who tends to mix editorializing with fact?That’s my opinion but it is no less valid than yours.) And did you even read the articles and the dates they were written? If I were going to stoop the level of making sweeping generalizations as you have done continously I would point out the you are pretty typical of right wingnuts who are absolutely convinced that they, and ONLY they, are in possession of the truth-and anything that refutes it is lies. Based on what? How much research do YOU actually do before forming your opinions?
I don’t consider ANY source as gospel-I DO read, I always have,constantly and try to ascertain the truth from everything I have read-something you don’t appear to do since your comments are peppered with so much misinformation. It isn’t easy to do with so much misinformation out there, and is further complicated by the Republican efforts to control the media.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Echo_chamber
Find out how the Republicans have been manipulating the media-and public opinion-since the Nixon days. It seems to be the only thing they learned from Watergate. Notice the similarity to Nazi propaganda techniques. For that matter, read up on Karl Rove (Bush’s Brain” and “The Architect” by James Moore and Wayne Slater-that is, if you read books) and see how he used Nazi-like techniques to crush the opposition. Rove has stated that he admires the tactics of Joseph Goebbels. (Goebbels could have written Rove’s playbook-in fact, he probably did. Do the research.) Speaking of Nazis, you might read this:
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/bushco/bush_crime_family.htm
As for-name-calling, I have not stooped to that-certainly not to the level of ugliness and invective that appears in every comment you make.It’s ironic that you have touted the religious freedom in the US and then proceed to display utter intolerance and spout hate-venom against any religion that isn’t Christian-as if Christianity weren’t as full of “hate and killing” as Islam or any other religion-and if you had ever read anything that resembles history you would know that.(That fact that you think that Obama is a Muslim shows that you don’t.) I could provide historical sources but you would no doubt dismiss them as “leftist lies” are some other such knee-jerk BS because evidently you think that God talks only to you.
YOU should look in the mirror. You have accused almost everyone here of bigotry, and intolerance-but go back and read your own posts and tell us how they aren’t redolent of both. (I would add ignorance to that list but it would be pointless since you are obviously convinced that you know everything.)
YOU should read.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:17 pm

UH, might want to check the dates on that bank bailout. That happened in September of 08. Since you're a right wingnut, I'll do the math for you – that was 4 (four) months before Obama took office.


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dissidentdave
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

there has never been a connection between Ayres and Obama. Further more, Ayres was never convicted of the crime you allude to. Which Al Gore book are you talking about? The ecology one from 92 or the one on how to streamline government from 93? or do you only know of ONE? Billyclubbing in chicago? I live here. I think i would have heard about it. You wouldn't know the truth if rush fed it to you from his fat folds.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

You're just full of stupid stuff, aren't you? Did you sleep through the last eight years? you were ok will a war of lies and choice that emptied our pockets? wake up and read something other than newsmax and free republic.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

oh, and you're lying. bring me proof of one person who voted twice.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

You are kidding aren't you? Ayers and Obama did fundraisers for each other and worked at Annenberg together..and were neighbors.Ayers admitted he did what he did, not being convicted has no bearing. He is a rapist to boot. Name calling on me proves you are lying. Ayers and Obama are two peas in a pod… both violent radicals wreaking havoc.. Ayers now works with children… how terrible! Teaching them his Marxist creed. Here is a quote from Ayers:

“Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents, that's where it's really at.” –Bill Ayers, Weather Underground, 1970

Nice.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

Ayers blew up nothing? Wow people these freakin' liberals are really in denial. I guess they can choose to live in fantasy land and ignore the evil they have wrought, but the rest of us know the truth.. it's all over the news, and the internet.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

Happened right here in NH:
http://www.cnht.org/news/2009/06/25/we-disagree…

Guy voted twice for Obummer.. more cases pending.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

I don't read newsmax and freerepublic whatever those are.

Obama just escalated the war in Afghanistan and we sent more people to Iraq — a friend of mine just went. You were saying?

Wipe that egg off your face.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:26 pm

Soros worked for the Nazis. His job, which he says he quite enjoyed, was to take away the possessions of the Jews as they were herded on to the death camps. He has no regrets about doing this…

t is now well-known that the young George Soros took part in the Nazi confiscation of the property of Jews bound for extermination, under the 1944 German occupation of Hungary. He has stated publicly that he has no remorse. But prior to that confiscation enterprise, he worked as a courier notifying Jews that they must bring themselves in for deportation.

According to his fawning 2002 biography, Soros: The Life and Times of a Messianic Billonaire, written by Michael Kaufman with the full cooperation of George Soros, “George had liked the excitement of being a courier,” and had felt elated at his cleverness in breaking the rules and surviving, when all about him were perishing.”

How sad. But it makes sense because these lefty one-worlders are using Obama to first nationalize everything where upon they will then internationalize it and take over.
The UN is not MY government, maybe you are happy with totalitarianism but I am not.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

Um since Obama took office you might want to check on the Trillions he's looted and given to the banking cartels, Federal Reserve, etc… foreign bankers, our enemies, are who he works for. Since youre just a plain koolaid drinker, it's as if Obama has done nothing wrong in these last 120 days, when he's really with Soros help, crashed the market and is destroying us economically ON PURPOSE on behalf of the bankers. Why is he suddenly giving them more power even as 244 people co-sponsored HR 1207? He is merely a shill for the internationalists who want our country in line with the global redistribution of the wealth. Maybe someday you fools will wake up and see this and fight back too. But for now you just make excuses for this pitiful POS.


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

I'm not angry for no reason: people like you who can do nothing but call names like “bigoted Republican teabaggers who pretend we're just a regular Joes do get me angry because you lack substance when you argue. I AM a regular “Joe” who worked all his life and now this creepazoid is telling me I have to hand it back over to the government…

NO YOU WON'T is what we are telling him.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 10:45 pm

What sources would I consider credible? How about the person himself?

I quote you straight from Soros himself…but the media is so controlled by the left-wing, that you are not likely to read it PRINTED in anything but conservative sources. See how that works?

My comments are peppered with nothing but facts. It’s amazing also that Ayers himself admitted he bombed the Pentagon and people WERE killed. If you did not learn this during the campaign then you definitely only listened to the controlled media who is always in the tank for the commies.

Republican effort to control the media? Impossible. There may be ONE station that is partially conservative but even they will only go so far. There are some talk shows that are true conservatives but Rush and Hannity are NOT THEM I don’t think. I have never even heard Rush but I am sure he’s not the devil you make him out to be. He’s probably just sick of communism.

Amazing you have to go back to something that happened in another lifetime…which since then, Clinton and Obama have made them look like boy scouts with a prank.

It’s because you DON’T hear what you should in the controlled media that you amazingly think these are not ‘facts’ that I post, especially about Soros which you can read for yourself. Look up who and why Counterpunch was created…

I do notice the similarity to Nazi propaganda techniques used by the left (Hitler was a socialist after all) and so did Helen Thomas, an avowed liberal, the other day.. I suppose you didn’t see that? She flat out accused Obama of controlling the media. No shit Helen!!! LOL

Rove never said anything of the kind and you know it. I’ve never had any influence from anyone named Karl Rove and in fact, never heard of him until just this past year. But for some reason he’s some imaginary bogey man.

Modern Christianity does NOT promote killing that I know of, but modern Isam DOES. And Obama said “MY MUSLIM FAITH” and attended a school in Indonesia that REQUIRES its students to be Muslim as a requirement of entry… have you not seen him dressed in the garb? Why can’t you face that fact? Plus he said there are 57 states — do you think he’s that stupid he thinks USA has 57 states? I think he’s evil but he knows that there are not 57 states — however, there are 57 MUSLIM states…

I don’t think ‘God only talks to me’ because I haven’t been in a church in 53 years… so please, you can stop with the religion bashing. Because that’s what it’s all about isn’t it?

Your public school education has served its purpose well — you are an America-hating, religion hating, left wing apologist for this traitor and his warmed over Clinton criminals he brought back from the dead for crooked business as usual and pandering the UN loving Rockefellers to whom he sent all our money!

It’s a shame because when this country goes down you wont’ be spared, but you can have it on your conscience that you helped it to happen.

I have accused almost everyone here of bigotry, and intolerance because they have spit out the usual cliches about the ‘right’ while doing the exact same things themselves, you are proof of that.

Face it, we are demonized because we are not for redistribution of our wealth and making this country third world so the Bushes and the Rockefellers and the oligarchy can have their new world order…

I hope you are happy with your coming enslavement.

Viva Honduras! We need that here.. Where is our military when we need them???


NAndover
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 5:52 pm

MY racism? I don't get any of the handouts you are referring to, not even SS.

My reaction is to say F* to you, but I won't be nasty. I am a minority so you telling me I am racist because I am sick of this guy handing money to corporations is just sick.. but it's all you were taught in your rainbow fraught public school indoctrination centers.
I will not be mind controlled by people over using the racist card.

IT DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE, LOSER.


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RedGraham
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

So basically what you people are telling me is that teabaggers are just a bunch of racists and that birthers just don't want an African-american president? He is ALMOST half-black since his real father was Arab & Kenyan.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 1:19 am

You still insist that your comments are all “fact”. Why? None of the sources that you have cited are any more credible than others-and considerably less than some. You amply illustrated my observation that most rightwingers seem absolutely convinced that only they have the truth, from some unfounded sense of superiority. And you state that your bigotry is justified because of your perception that every one else is guilty of it too? I have expressed NO such sentiments in any of my comments-my anger at what the Neocons have done to this country is NOT bigotry. And I know perfectly well what Helen Thomas said-but she did NOT compare the situation to the Nazis. No one controlled the media more than Bush/Cheney/Rove (that was actually Rove’s department) but Helen may not have been aware of that because Bush banned her from the White House (how’s THAT for control?)If you don’t think the MSM isn’t conservatively controlled do the research. Follow the money.
I never once mentioned Ayers-you can’t even keep who you’re responding to straight-and I did NOT bash any religion-which is more than you can claim–but I WAS pointing out that any perusal of history shows that Christianity has as much violence and killing and intolerance as any other-and there are plenty of modern radical-right Christians that practice violence and bigotry. The fact that you “don’t know of” any doesn’t mean they don’t exist-or are you admitting that there is something you don’t know? And you are equally ignorant of Islam if you think that all of Islam is about killing-the vast majority of its followers do NOT condone violence and deplore what the radical extremists have done to their religion-in the same way that most Christians do not sanction what the radical-right Christians have done to theirs ( Bush called them “wackos”-even as he courted them for their votes). As far what as what Rove said, you just stated you never heard of the man until last year and it’s clear you know next to nothing about him so how the hell would you know what he said or didn’t say? And why do you keep bringing up Counterpunch? It was hardly the only thing I cited-and I already stated that I don’t accept ANYTHING as gospel-as apparently you do. (Actually I don’t think much of Counterpunch but I think that particular article is spot on and I don’t see what you can find to object to in it. It’s pretty much the sum total of a lot of what you have been saying.)
And how DARE you call me an “American-Hater-or a “religion basher”? I have never expressed anything of the sort in any of my comments, but you can’t seem to keep who you’re insulting straight. I consider it a slanderous insult of the highest order and it’s a judgement you have no right to make. But I guess you just hurl the same invective at everyone who disagrees with you.
YOU are the one who seems to be saturated with hatred and intolerance, it is attitudes like YOURS that could destroy us all-and you need not respond because you obviously aren’t interested in discussion anyway-you just want to insult everyone who doesn’t think like you and you refuse to entertain any point of view but your own, or admit that you could possibly be wrong about anything.


jack
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Has nothing to do with Race or Party. This is what its about; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


Tom
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our calling and our creeds…[we will] have no time to think, no means of calling our miss-managers to account but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers….”

- THOMAS JEFFERSON.


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Anonymous
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 1:48 am

Wow, did you even read what I wrote? I said, I got the information straight from the person’s own words from their own books… you can’t get any more factual than that!!! LOL

And you insisted that Karl Rove was some sort of evil scientist that tells us all what to do — how about Soros and Rockefeller and the rest of the banking cartel who run Obama? Don’t mind that do ya?

How could he be telling us what to do if we don’t hear what he says??? You know if a tree falls in the woods, does anyone hear it?

Finally Helen Thomas said straight out that the media is controlled by Obama and she is one of you. So that’s my sources — their own words. End of story.

I don’t have to worry about who I am insulting you’re all alike… if the information is not acceptable to you, you claim it doesn’t exist.


JudiBug
Comment posted July 6, 2009 @ 11:54 pm

Red, didn't you already post this once before?


PunkyAmerica
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 3:12 am

The GOP agenda

First: Not not aiming at anyone here in particular, just fed up with the lying BS.
Disclaimer: Horrible stereotypes included!

SOOOO wearisome.

Regular guys and Tbaggers who swear they're not Republicans, though they get their news from Republican sources, hold Republican positions, and spout Republican talking points. Not Republicans, they say, but hosting Tparties funded by Newt Gingrinch and Republican think tanks/orgs, promoted by Republican media, and hosted by Republican celebrities. Yeah, it's a mass interparty uprising, alright.

Some differences between progressives and conservatives?

1) Progressives end up admitting when they're wrong and start looking for the truth, while conservatives will take us all to the grave to avoid the same. That's why we call them the Right, cuz even when they're wrong they have to be right.

2) Since progressives are more interested in doing right than being right, they argue amongst ourselves more, get more easily divided, and compromise a lot. Conservatives, on the other hand, more interested in BEING right, will unite behind authority figures, toe the party line, and refuse to question anything, even if that takes them and everyone else into hell. That makes them more easily duped while more effective at pushing their agenda. Bad combination.

3) Finally, progressives demonstrate grandma's admonition “when you're pointing the finger, remember there are three pointing back at you” and usually look first to where they might be at fault, whereas conservatives, always right, are forever on the hunt for anyone other than themselves who they can blame for what's wrong. That makes Republicans the opposite of the Accountability Party.

Cowardly, whiney, sore loser little mice, afraid of terrorists around every corner and brown people under every bed. Glorifying killing and death and blaming everyone but themselves for their difficulties. Crying that they pay too much taxes because they really feel they shouldn't have to pay any at all–while still forking out less than most everyone in the civilized world (and having the worst and most expensive healthcare, and crumbling roads, bridges and schools to show for it).

Not a peep out of this bunch for the 8 years that their Fuhrer raided the Treasury and ripped off our future, and our kids'. Not a whine as their officials displayed their sexual perversions at the rate of almost one a week. Not a whimper as they championed a war that everybody else knows we were lied into, and which has drained our economy of a trillion dollars already. But lose a little political power, and let a brown guy get voted into office, and they're squealing like stuck pigs.

Have your Tparties and carry your 'overthrow the government' signs. I don't care. Even the Nazi rallies ran out of steam eventually, and if that gets you politically involved, instead of just hanging out on message boards spouting Glenn Beck, then all for the better.

FYI, not one of the pols I've ever voted for and/or supported have ever been accused of a crime; what am I doing that you're not?

http://twitter.com/PunkyAmerica


toptwome
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 3:59 am

Republicans were totally quiet when Bush and Cheney were ruining our economy, were throwing money up in the air, and doing hateful things in America's name. Now they can gather together and act like the idiots they are. They lost this election and will continue to lose because they have no credibility after doing nothing to stop the evil and horrible actions that Bush and Cheney had done. People can't support liars and liars are all the republicans have left.


Tom
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 5:14 am

Please don't post here anymore unless you know what the hell you are talking about. This is whats going on in your candidates Government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


Tom
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 5:15 am

Please don't post here unless you have the facts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


demalltheway
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 6:30 am

You sir are a moron- Obama is about to tack 10 Trillion on to the bill and I voted for the SOB.


demalltheway
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Do you by any chance have any idea what is going on in Washington? The Government is not only outspending Bush by 10 To 1 –they have no clue as to where the money went. I voted for Mr Obama and I am shocked as to what he is doing. Bush did spend and take us to war, but, this guy is taking us to hell. If the energy bill passes you will spend between 2-3 thousand more on your energy bill and if Health care passes you may as well move to Mexico where you might have a chance of making a living. Check this site and then answer back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8 We all better wake up. Who in the hell passes a bill they haven't read.


A proud democrat
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 7:18 am

No, we are actually saying you are a dumb S&IZ. You need to pay attention to what is going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


us-ofa
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 7:19 am

Damn that video is shocking-why is this not on the news?


saragirl
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 7:22 am

Why is the news not reporting this. This is totally unbelievable. I have a totally different attitude about tea baggers. I voted for Barrack and now i feel stupid.


lucylue
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 7:33 am

Grayson needs to be President, this is why we need term limits. I thought Bush was a bad guy–Obama makes him look like a small fry. I was blown away. Look at the video where Grayson questions Citi-group, what a scam. I could hardly wait for election day to get Bush out, now i wish we could get em back. It just proves we are all getting scammed.


cowboyup
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 7:41 am

Tom, I quess I'm now an independent. Thanks for posting the utube video. I quess I was lost and now I'm found. Why in the hell is no one reporting this crap???????????


stevoreno
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 7:53 am

WOW– Tom this blew me away, a Democrat blowing the whistle on Obama. It's great to know that business is as usual in our Government. Keep spreading the news, I wouldn't have believed unless i saw it with my own eyes. When the next tea party?


sicnarfe
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 8:12 am

What a bunch of empty-heads! Stupid people heeding the voices of the insane. This will either peter out or end in tragedy. If the feelings expressed by the likes of Lush Limpballs, Billo the clown, and Shawn Insanity are followed through by this group of empty teabag sucking vessels, then look out, there will be deadly consequences.


stevoreno
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 8:21 am

Your a dumb-azz. If you have any facts, let us know. You clearly don't keep up on current news, if you did you wouldn't be calling those that do stupid. Check this out genius, its not Republican pundits, but; a Democrat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


sicnarfe
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 8:27 am

Stupid Repuglicons, one and all. Have nothing better to do? Go read a good book, perhaps your tiny brains will expand to fill those empty caverns sitting on top of your skeletons.


stevoreno
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 8:41 am

You clearly are too stupid to click on the link. Are you ok with Obama spending ten TRILLION with a T without even knowing where it went? You clearly have a brain of a knat and the persistance of a house fly. WAKE UP DUFUS.


stevoreno
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 8:43 am

Here's the link one more time. Ok, just click on the link and have someone interpret what is being said by your Democrat congressman.


stevoreno
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 8:44 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


stevoreno
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 8:49 am

Just thought a would let you know, a recent study showed that 30% of Democrats couldn't even name their Governor and an additional 30% where on welfare. Which one are you??


willy0
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 9:18 am

sicnarfe, I have been a Democrat my whole life and i do not condone name calling to either Party, but i voted for Clinton, Gore and Obama. I am very sorry about the last because it appears he has a agenda that far exceeds his power. He has taken control of our car companies, financial institutions and appears to be trying to control our energy & Health care. The resulting tax burden will ultimately bankrupt America far past our lifetime. I have become a Tea bagger because of that. I urge you to do your homework and judge for yourself whether seven to ten trillion dollars of debt can ever be paid off. I am totally shocked by any congress or senate that can vote on any bill without reading it. I will be an independent when the next election comes along and plan to vote anyone out who had the lack of forsite to vote for any bill they did not read. I truly believe that the government likes this fighting amongst ourselves so we don't focus on the thruth which is they all are crooks.


stev0reno
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 9:20 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8 Where is our money going


dixie3
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 9:40 am

Democrates will beat Republicans every time, why;

They are pro-death, I mean pro choice
They love illegal aliens
40% of their members are on welfare
10% of their members are illegal aliens
10% of their members are gay
30% of their members want a government job
10% of their members are guilty Hollywood millionaires

90% of them like living off of someone else.


rocko
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 9:53 am

Whoa—wrong wrong wrong, 30% are unions, 10% are illegals, 10% are gay, 20% are unions and 30% are stupid.


Tom
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 9:58 am

Please don't post here anymore unless you know what the hell you are talking about. This is whats going on in your candidates Government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8 Also, attacking another party is not cool. This is a problem for America and if you don't have a educated response go play your wii.


rocko
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 10:06 am

Sorry, I got carried away the 20% is on welfare, maybe i am one of the 30%.


chico3
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 10:10 am

Is this for real? I can't believe it, why don't we hear more about this? I am truly scared.


rtgoody
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 10:18 am

This is an eye opener http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


bjholway
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Hello from the Great Central San Joaquin Valley of California, where we were expecting 15,000 folks at our TEA PARTY event on the 4th of July but finished out with just a little over 25,000 folks.


rtgoodills y
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

You are so lost its hard to know where to begin. I will howvever give it a shot. The democrats are for the most part voted in by unions-sheep with a figure head and welfare receiptitants. They count on the feeble minded to vote for them in exchange for the promise they will get something for nothing. 40% of all Democrat voters last election were collecting money from the government. If you add that to gays and pro choicers – there goes the election. The actual intellect gap was crazy. The New york times even joked about the party that was able to win the votes of the uneducated would win every election hands down. Most those same voters were labled the Forrest Gumps of our political system. The University of Washington went so far as to say that the average I.Q. of a Democrat was 26% lower than that of a Republican. In other words if you want to live off the government thats your party.

One more point–The Nazi rallies did not run out of steam. They actually killed 6 million people before running out of steam.

The last and most important because it points out how out of touch you are is that Mr. Obama has introduced bills that if passed will cost the American public 10 TRILLION DOLLARS. Also, in a six month period he has introduced bills that surpass the budgets of all the previous President bills back to George Washington combined. A President who passes bills without reading them does not make me comfortable. Please counterpoint, because i would like to know how you can defined this guy.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 9:52 pm

you can tell the ones that listen from the ones that read for themselves.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

Kill them? It was their idea.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 9:56 pm

It’s erstwhile. English minor finally comes in handy.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 10:16 pm

kept us safe for seven years. too bad for us the job called for eight.


sylhines
Comment posted July 7, 2009 @ 6:44 pm

The tea baggers are protesting every thing from no universal health care, bashing Obama but not offering one sane idea about taxes. Poor fools, fleeced by snake oil salesmen like Rush/Hannity/Beck, mentally slow politicans like Bush/Sanford/Palin and religious scounderls like Dobson/Robertson/Farwell for the last 30 years and many are still in the wilderness. I know you are angry, it is a natural response to being cheated out of your financial and human resources. However, hate is not natural, and it is my christian duty to bring this to your attention when you allow your remorse and anger to be directed at others who are different/successful. Remember Jesus teachings, love your neighbor as thy self, we are our brothers keeper, minister to those less fortunate and judge ye not, least you be judged.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 4:43 am

by the way Dolenz-real drummer, Monkees-fake band.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 4:44 am

Bush spent trillions on a war that was OFF THE BOOKS. Obama is spending money HERE ON JOB CREATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE….HUUUUUGE DIFFERENCE.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 4:47 am

AND can form a sentence.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 4:53 am

Bank bailouts were done in september of 08. Did you have anything to say then? the plan given to congress by bush’s appointee was “gimme 750billion and don’t ask any questions”. NAndover…isn’t that where bush was a cheerleader? how can you be as stupid as you are and still draw breath without being prompted?


Anonymous
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:06 am

Yes bank bailouts were done in september of ’08 after Soros withdrew $350B (until they stopped the run) People were making plenty of money in the market until that was noted on the 15th and whaddya know, the run began on the 17th…and yes we went NUTS when the did that! How can you be as stupid as YOU are to assume what someone you don’t even know said or did then???

The difference is, I don’t foolishly think that spending 4X the money we don’t have on things that will absolutely not create ONE SINGLE JOB will help when already in debt.

It’s all payback for the groups like ACORN, and the ‘created crisis’ of the bankers so they can take over…

NO one ever disputes that though I notice!


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:11 am

When Ayers was active with the underground, Obama was 9 years old. G. Gordon Liddy advocated shooting ATF agents in the head because they wear bullet proof vests. Liddy is a convicted felon. Oliver North is a convicted felon. Limbaugh is a drug addict. OReally is a liar, hell they’re all liars. You only know the lies. here are some facts complete with sources you can look up. You DO know how to look things up, don’t you dildobrain?

LIE: “My view is that the community organizer was really a sham event. Bill Ayers was testing him.”(Andy Martin, Hannity’s America, October 5, 2008, “Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism”)
TRUTH: Bill Ayers had nothing to do with Obama’s community organizing job. It’s pure lunacy to imagine that Ayers was “testing” Obama.

LIE: Obama’s “community organizing is a grand scheme perpetuated by none other than William Ayers.”(Sean Hannity, Hannity’s America, October 5, 2008, “Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism”)
TRUTH: Obama’s community organizing was not a vast conspiracy for revolution devised by Bill Ayers.

LIE: “They live half a mile from William Ayers, the unrepentant terrorist” and “Just a half a mile from those homes is Louis Farrakhan.”(Hannity’s America, October 5, 2008, “Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism”)
TRUTH: It’s true, of course, that Obama lives in this same neighborhood, as do tens of thousands of other people who presumably are also guilty by geographical association. The logic of this argument would be, if you live half a mile from a sex offender, then you agree with child molesters.

LIE: Obama and Ayers “appeared together at various public engagements…it would seem that they are more than just a little bit friendly.”(Sean Hannity, Hannity’s America, October 5, 2008, “Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism”)
TRUTH: Appearing on a speaking panel is not a sign of friendship. There is no evidence that Obama had any role in ever inviting Ayers to speak.

LIE: In 1995, Ayers and Dohrn “hosted a political coming out party for a young Barack Obama.”(Sean Hannity, Hannity’s America, October 5, 2008, “Obama and His Friends: History of Radicalism”)
TRUTH: This was an event for Alice Palmer, not a “coming-out party” for Obama. Obama was invited by Palmer to the event.
But long before tonight’s Hannity, the right-wing has been spreading a series of lies about Obama and Ayers.

LIE: “Bill Ayers is an unrepentant terrorist.”
TRUTH: Bill Ayers is not, and apparently never was, a terrorist. The conventional definition of a terrorist is someone who tries to kill innocent people for political purposes. As Factcheck.org noted, In fact, nobody died as a result of bombings in which Ayers said he participated as part of the Weather Underground. (Factcheck.org)

LIE: “I’m sure he’s very patriotic, but his relationship with Mr. Ayers is open to question….Because, if you’re going to associate and have as a friend and serve on a board and have a guy kick off your campaign that says he’s unrepentant, that he wished he’d bombed more. And then, the worst thing of all, that I think really indicates Senator Obama’s attitude, is he had the incredible statement that he compared Mr. Ayers, an unrepentant terrorist — an unrepentant terrorist, with Senator Tom Coburn. Senator Coburn, a physician who goes to Oklahoma on the weekends and brings babies into life.’ (John McCain, April 20, 2008, ABC’s This Week with George Stephanopoulos)
TRUTH: Obama was not friends with Ayers. Ayers did not kick off Obama’s campaign. And Obama was not comparing Ayers’ actions with Coburn. Obama was pointing out that he works with people even when he disagrees with them.

LIE: “Obama’s oldest friend in politics is a murderer and unrepentant terrorist. Why are they friends?”(ExposeObama.com email, Sept. 7, 2008)
TRUTH: Ayers isn’t Obama’s oldest friend in politics.

LIE: Ayers was “Obama’s boss.”(Jerome Corsi, p. 147)
TRUTH: The chair of a foundation board is not the boss of the members.

LIE: Jerome Corsi claimed Alice “Palmer would never have introduced Obama to the Hyde Park political community at the Ayres-Dohrn home unless she saw an affinity between Ayers and Dohrn’s radical leftist history, her own history of far-leftist politics, and the politics of Barack Obama.”(p. 137)
TRUTH: The event wasn’t held primarily for Obama. It was Palmer’s own announcement that she would run for Congress. Obama was there as Palmer’s endorsed successor for her Senate seat, but there’s no evidence that he had any role in deciding to hold it at Ayers’ home.

LIE: Jerome Corsi claims about Obama: “either he did not know Ayers and Dohrn are still radical leftists–in which case he is implausibly naive–or Obama did know, which would confirm he joined with Ayers and Dohrn because Obama too continues to believe, albeit silently and secretly, in the Far Left’s radical agenda.”(p. 140)
TRUTH: Obama probably knew Ayers was a leftist, but he didn’t care. Obama believes in the notion of a free society, where you work with people you disagree with.

LIE: “Even today, Ayers appears to hold the same radical political beliefs he did in the Weather Underground, and Obama had to know that was also the case when he first met Ayers in 1995.”(Jerome Corsi, p. 147)
TRUTH: Corsi doesn’t explain how Obama “had to know” Ayers’ views on politics when he first met him. Telepathy? Mind-reading?

LIE: David Freddoso calls Obama’s distant connection with Bill Ayers “a remarkable relationship for a presidential nominee to have.”(p. 122)
TRUTH: It reality, it’s not remarkable at all. The notion that people should resign from foundations and refuse to speak in public in order to avoid any connection to a former radical never convicted of a crime is absurd.

LIE: “The major media simply have not reported on Obama’s two years at New York’s Columbia University, where, among other things, he lived a mere quarter-mile from former terrorist Bill Ayers.”(Tony Blankley, September 24, 2008)
TRUTH: Thousands upon thousands of people lived near Bill Ayers in Manhattan. Obama didn’t know Ayers.

LIE: Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval. (Stanley Kurtz, Wall Street Journal)
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence to support his claim. Ayers was one of several people involved in starting the group, and was not its guiding spirit. According to the New York Times reporting, Obama was recruited by other CAC leaders who knew him through the Joyce Foundation.

LIE: Mr. Obama and Mr. Ayers worked as a team to advance the CAC agenda. (Stanley Kurtz, Wall Street Journal)
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence that Obama and Ayers worked as a team. Ayers attended six meetings of the group along with Obama.

LIE: “Obama is hanging around with Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright. By the way, Bill Ayers advertised himself as being a communist with a small c just when he was beginning to
partner with Obama on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. (Stanley Kurtz, Hudson Institute, Washington DC, October 1, 2008)
TRUTH: Contrary to this McCarthyist attack, there’s no evidence that Obama ever knew that Ayers supposedly called himself a communist, nor is that a good reason for Obama to end his work on school reform and charitable activities.

LIE: “who provided Obama with the only executive experience he has ever had in his young life? Bill Ayers, unrepentant domestic terrorist, communist revolutionary… (Joseph Farah, World Net Daily, October 2, 2008)
TRUTH: Ayers did not provide Obama with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge job. And Obama has also had executive experience in community organizing, running a voter registration drive, as well as running his campaigns. The New York Times reported, “In fact, according to several people involved, Mr. Ayers played no role in Mr. Obama’s appointment. Instead, it was suggested by Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation, a Chicago-based group whose board Mr. Obama, a young lawyer, had joined the previous year.”(Scott Shane, New York Times, October 4, 2008)

LIE: “Barack Obama is friends with Ayers, defending him as quote ‘respectable and mainstream.’”(American Issues Project ad, August 2008)
TRUTH: David Axelrod described them as “friendly,” not friends. Obama didn’t call Ayers respectable and mainstream (although Ayers now is); Obama’s campaign on his website posted an op-ed in the press that described Ayers that way.

LIE: “I can’t understand why somebody who wants to be president of the United States, I’ll be perfectly honest with you, would want to associate or not condemn the actions of people in the past.”(Paul Ragonese, April 27, 2008, Fox News’ Hannity’s America)
TRUTH: Obama has condemned the past actions of Bill Ayers and called him somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago. (April 16, 2008 debate)

LIE: “Mr. Ayers founded CAC and was its guiding spirit. No one would have been appointed the CAC chairman without his approval.”(Stanley Kurtz, Wall Street Journal)
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence to support his claim. Ayers was one of several people involved in starting the group, and was not its guiding spirit.

LIE: About Bill Ayers, “Barack Obama really couldn’t bring himself to say ‘you know, I really don’t like that guy.’ That was too much for him to say. He had to talk about what a decent guy he is and what a good professor.”(Jim Geraghty, “Hype: The Obama Effect”)
TRUTH: There is no record of Obama during the campaign calling Ayers “decent” and “a good professor.” In fact, Obama really did bring himself to criticize Ayers, denouncing him during a Democratic debate as “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago.”

LIE: “Obama was feted at a fundraising event” at Ayers’ home.(“Hype: The Obama Effect”)
TRUTH: Obama never had a fundraising event at Ayers’ home.

LIE: Barack Obama and Bill Ayers had a close working relationship…the two of them were running the foundation together. (Stanley Kurtz, Fox News Channel’s Fox and Friends, September 29, 2008)
TRUTH: Kurtz has no evidence of a “close working relationship” beyond attending a few meetings together. The notion that Obama and Ayers were the only ones running the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is absolutely false.

LIE: “The most important smoking gun is that Barack Obama was funding Bill Ayers’ radical educational projects.”(Stanley Kurtz, Fox News Channel’s Fox and Friends, September 29, 2008)
TRUTH: This is false. Obama was the president of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, not its dictator. There’s no evidence that Obama made any funding decisions. Moreover, it would have been completely unprofessional for anyone, including Obama, to ban Bill Ayers from receiving funding for educational projects because of alleged radical activities decades earlier which Ayers was never convicted of. Kurtz has no evidence that projects were judged based on anything other than their merits. This is a pure smear by association.

LIE: Emails “give us strong evidence that there may have been a cover-up in Bill Ayers’ role choosing Barack Obama.”(Stanley Kurtz, Fox News Channel’s Fox and Friends, September 29, 2008)
TRUTH: This is a fabrication. The email Kurtz is referring to shows absolutely no kind of cover up. In fact, it shows exactly the opposite. In his blog, Kurtz quotes the entire email Ken Rolling wrote to CAC founders Warren Chapman and Anne Hallett and notes that Sam Dillon, Education Reporter for the New York Times, was working on an article. Rolling wrote about Dillon, He is trying to understand how Barack got ‘picked’ for the CAC board, by whom, why, etc. – I have avoided that question head-on though I believe Barack was Debbie Leff’s/Joyce nomination.” This email reveals no kind of cover-up, and the New York Times article found several sources that said Obama was not picked by Ayers.

LIE: “There is a secret group in the Obama-Biden campaign tasked with shutting off any leaks from the record that links Barack Obama to his longtime adviser and mentor Bill Ayers, professor of education at the University of Illinois and unrepentant Weatherman terrorist and fugitive from the 1970s….There is a substantial independent report from a major Democratic source that confirms Diamond’s suspicions. The source confirms the unit is led by Bill Ayers himself and likely includes Tom Hayden and other members of ‘Progressives for Obama.’ Most critically, the Democratic source says this unit has direct access to media adviser David Axelrod of the Obama-Biden campaign.”(John Batchelor, Human Events, September 12, 2008)
TRUTH: There is no “secret group.” Hayden reports, “I am not part of any effort, personal or organized, trying to protect Obama against any leaks.” The notion that Ayers is leading the “unit” is laughable. According to the University of Illinois library, “all papers have been available since August 26″ about the school reform group that Ayers and Obama worked on. Diamond, the source cited for the existence of the “unit,” declares, “I have no evidence of such a unit.” Diamond added, “I told Batchelor that I would not speak to Human Events yet he made up a quote from me and placed it in his article.”


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:14 am

Why is he a “scumbag” and what did he lie about? did he send men to war without proper equipment? did he lie us into a war? are you just the biggest punk in the world? i think so.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:19 am

conservatards….hahahahahaha


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:22 am

Hey Hangover, you need to take hannity’s dick out of your mouth and read a book for once.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:23 am

dissidentdave is becoming unhinged… everyone knows the connections between Ayers and Obama… they worked together.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:38 am

if your 401k is gone, it more than likely disappeared in the last 8 years, not the last five months, dumbass. Did you spell your name wrong too? shouldn’t it be bendover, you know, like you did for bush and his boss cheney. fool. willfully ignorant fool.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:39 am

Obama was member of the “NEW” Party as late as 1996… I still have the news clipping that talked about how he ran for office….you know the socialist party in Chicago? They endorsed him as did all the other communist parties did this time.

Sympathizing with Chavez, and the overthrown Honduran commie dictator… birds of a feather.

Litigated his opponent out of the Senate race so never even won it.. then voted present 142 times in the Senate and the rest of the time drew a salary while campaigning.. NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS.. never ran a business, city or state, can’t really do anything.

Lied about THIS NEW war — just arranged for a surge in Afghanistan so they can win like the surge in Iraq, but no mention of that from you or the Obama-controlled press.. no that wouldn’t be good for him.

I’ll be you didn’t care to know that 7 of our men died today alone but you don’t seem to mind this surge because it’s thanks to Obama, the horrible. Not saying anything is JUST as bad as lying because what can he say now?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/06/AR2009070600191.html

Lying about taxes on people making less than $250K — Cap and Trade is the biggest tax and power grab in the history of the country and will turn us into a third world country and hand control over to his foreign banker friends and cause us to have to pay a tax to the UN. Ever hear of world government? Obama thinks he will get his big reward for this from these elitists — while being a huge traitor to the country selling us out to the highest bidder.

He is federalizing everything, taking successful businesses away from people and giving them to his friends. Once he federalizes everything, it goes to the UN — business, water, food, health care, schools are already a loss.

He’s now going to tax health care benefits, something he trashed his opponent for during the campaign. What a nerve this guy has. He’s a self absorbed narcissist that will tell people anything to get elected while employing the Cloward Piven strategy to bankrupt us so we can go into UN receivership.

ARE YOU OK WITH THIS guy being a nwo scumbag?

Wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Tom
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 1:02 am

Sylhines–You are banned from posting here anymore until you have the facts–Please go to this site and then tell me if you have learned your lesson. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


Anonymous
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:10 am

resistnet.com


Anonymous
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:12 am

My 401K left two months ago….60 days after Obama took office. Before that it was making money every month.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:20 am

So you’ve just packed two obscenities toward me in the first 6 words of your first sentence but you are the guy who is bragging that he loves everyone? Yeah right!

Then you insult Christians even further by stating (erroneously) that Obama is one and that it is stupid. Why is it stupid?

You are a child with no knowledge.. please go check some of the links and issues that have been posted here and come back when you’ve learned your lesson.

Moderators please note “eff you hangover you stupid bitch” should not be allowed on this forum…just sayin’.


Anonymous
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:22 am

Obomber’s and Lyin’s 15 minutes of fame are up….


Anonymous
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:27 am

I read Soros’s book and that’s what he said, he enjoyed confiscating property from fellow Jews and herding them to the trains. It was fun and adventurous he said. He said if not for him, someone else would have so Vat da heck? LOL

That is who fuels your foul blogs and runs your party and your “president”.


silverfox
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 2:33 am

Tom, This is unreal-thanks for posting it.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:16 am

end of the lefties? did you miss the last 2 elections? your party is OVER. You won't be able to get elected dog catcher until at least 2050. Good luck getting teabagged, girls.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:19 am

eff you hangover you stupid bitch. Obama is a christian, as much as i think that is stupid. and I know you've never read the constitution OR the bible. The Constitution says THERE SHAL BE NO RELIGIOUS TEST TO HOLD PUBLIC OFFICE. The Bible says A MAN CAN ONLY SERVE ONE MASTER. So Fuckabee shouldn't even have a job.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:26 am

It's spelled Democrat. and yes, we love everyone. Who was it that said to love everyone…..OH YEA, Jesus. Any one on welfare right now is due to bush. Illegal aliens can't vote or register with a party. I'd say it is more like 18% of us are gay, WOW, just like AMERICA, as opposed to republicans who are about 50% closet cases. The government is the biggest employer in the country, thanks again to bush. And again, we have the same number of hollywood types that you do, and I don't know what they are guilty of, but at least democrats DON'T VOTE OUR ACTORS INTO OFFICE, ARNOLD, RONNY RAY-GUN, GOPHER…ETC.


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:26 am

I don't know who you think you are talking to like that…

Obama blurted out “MY MUSLIM FAITH” so he's an admitted Muslim. Reading the Constitution is my job and I know one thing, it's not Marxist like this poop is. And I've never said there should be a religious 'test' to hold office, but it would have been nice if he could prove he was a citizen of this country. Why has he spent $1Million to hide his paperwork? I don't like Huckabee either, he's a puppet of Richard Haass CFR.. so he's just as bad as Obama. I don't consider him a Christian, but then again I am not religious so I don't pay attention to that stuff.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:28 am

Maybe you're just stupid and wouldn't know a real statistic if hannity fed it too you.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:29 am

No it's not real. My 12 year old can post on boobtube.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:34 am

Obama spends six months trying to clean up the steaming pile of shit that Bush left this nation in and you think he's the problem? Is tea party a euphemism for “crack smoking”? Are you really that dumb? How did you turn on your computer? how do you draw breath without someone standing by telling you to?


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:35 am

Sure you did. You wanna feel stupid? stop reading and listen to these idiots.


dissidentdave
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:36 am

I'm gonna guess the same republicans that shit all over a healthcare bill that hasn't even been written yet. WHY would you not want healthcare for every american?


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:34 am

And guess who is preventing the Audit with HR 1207 even though it has 244 sponsors? Barney Frank….and also the S604 is being stymied in the Senate.

This is why we need a coup d'etat and these crooks need to be dragged out of there and put in jail.


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:35 am

Um no? I seem to remember a clown named Al Franken! Bwahahahahah!


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:39 am

Any time libtards like dissidentdave want to win an argument, they simply deny that what you said or posted exists.

Facts: In 1913 in the dark of night, the Federal Reserve Act was sneaked in.
They are illegal private bankers and now they have a puppet in Obama.
HR 1207 would audit them and they know we want to get RID of them..as they are causing all the crises. In the Senate the bill is S604.

Bernanke is scared, claiming this would put the monetary system under the control of the Congress. BINGO! They are the only ones Constitutionally allowed to run our money system, not some private bankers from Europe FROM WHOM WE ESCAPED OVER 200 YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama is handing us over to this oligarchy all over again.


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:40 am

AT LAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found one! An honest Democrat! Thank you willy0, you are the best. And smart too.


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Please sign up for the Campaign for Liberty — Ron Paul's newsletter or watch Beck.
Also, check out http://www.nhteapartycoalition.org/tea/ under “Issues”.

First they federalize, then it's the world order. It's all about taking away stuff from America.


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:46 am

So your idea of cleaning up is to s*** on it more and make the pile bigger? Wow man you've not only drank the koolaid, but you've drowned in it.

As for crack-smoking, that's one more thing Obama admitted to..which explains a lot of his behavior.


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:47 am

dissidentdave comem back when you have the facts..


trapper22
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:48 am

How about this sane idea about taxes-STOP THEM we pay enough already. If our government can't curb spending, get rid of them. Republican or Democrat. The stimulus bill had over 250 billion in pork and nobody read the damn thing. Unemployment is headed to double digits. No new jobs and now this administration wants to pass a energy bill which again nobody in the house read. You won't be able to sell your house without a government energy inspection, your average family will pay 2-3 thousand more for utilities. Who do you think is going to pay for the Health care bill with a price tag of 1.5 to 2 TRILLION dollars. Add all this together and it equals BANKRUPTCY for the USA. Our government is out of control and i don't care who you like to blame. It is not a party issue, it's about the government controlling everything we do and spending money that we don't have like a drunken sailor. I just looked at this and was blown away. I thank Tom for posted it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXlxBeAvsB8


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:50 am

Because it's not the government's job and they should BUTT OUT. They cannot manage themselves let alone health care.

demalltheway you are right: No one knows what we were doing during Bush, how would they? This guy outspent Bush 10 to 1 but they ignore that. Also they are ignoring his surge in Afghanistan. 7 men died today… but not a peep.

Dems are not allowing them to read the bills, the 344-page additions to Crap and Shady were added in the middle of the night.


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:53 am

Full of cliches, name calling and hyperbole, physician heal thyself!

What a joke!

We are CONSERVATIVES and we vote… there are two candidates from two parties offered. Do you expect us to join the party who pimps the poor and litigates their way into office with Soros dirty money???? Who is glorifying killing? You are over the top and not credible.

The Nazis are not at our rallies, THEY ARE IN THE WHITE HOUSE NOW. You can't hide behind a brown face. Obama himself is one big crime, there you go.


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:54 am

IN DENIAL is what they are.. covering their eyes and calling out liar liar!

What a fraud.


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:57 am

Um “1) Progressives end up admitting when they're wrong and start looking for the truth” you mean like dissidentdave and others who won't read the link and keep denying the obvious?


blogdog
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 6:58 am

Didn't Barney Frank have his own show years ago? The Flintstones, he was Barney Rubble i think.


blogdog
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:01 am

Who voted for this clown? Wasn't he the voice for Elmer Fudd in the Bugs Bunny cartoons?


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:06 am

The idiots in Massachusetts… he has a knack for making sure his constituents are not relieved of their private property while others have their confiscated. He ran a brothel for gay men out of his apartment too.


blogdog
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:08 am

This is our Government at work? I had to watch it twice, just to make sure i was hearing it right. Everyone should pass this video on to everyone they know. America needs to wake up before we start living like a third world country. We could use a William Wallace about now.


NAndover
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:09 am

@sicnarfe: You can stop being such a drama queen. I hope it ends with all the scumbags being dragged out of the WH and being thrown into San Quentin for good where they belong so we can get back to a sound money system run by the government not some private crooked banksters, and get back to the Constitution and repeal all these Nazi laws.


rocko
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:14 am

I know this, your blind as a bat if you can't figure out whats going on now. Obama has spent more than all the Presidents combined starting with Washington. He makes Bush look like a genius and thats not easy to do.


Tom
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:17 am

Don't forget Barney Rubble, I mean Frank


foundthelight
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:48 am

I was a Repulican for many years and three months ago decided to try the Democrat way. It seemed easier that fighting them. So i went out and bought a big azz motor home, gave my house back to the bank, cashed out my 401K, told my wife if we both started missing work and screwed around, sooner or later we would both get fired. Sure enough we both got laid off. We then strolled down to the unemployment office and started collecting our benefits for a year and hit the road in the moter home (no taxes on a home with wheels other then registration). Our daughter was pregnant, so we encouraged her to kill the baby and get an abortion cause she wasn't married. Our son had a really close relationship with a gay neighbor so we told him to give it a try and see if rump wrangling was for him. We then joined the socialist party so when the whole country went that way we might get a high ranking spot. For extra money we ran illegal aliens across the border and showed them how to get fake I.D. and apply for welfare. We then joined Acorn. We then applied for a federal grant to save the endangered maggots of El Paso we voted for Barney Frank, who was very nice and got six billion dollars. We now get invited to Al corn Franken house all the time for dinner. We should have done this years ago. Work is for SUCKERS , only dumb Republicans don't know that.


foundthelight
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 8:13 am

I almost forgot. Apparently when you Join Acorn as a Democrat you are allowed to vote more than once, which was great because we travel so much in our motor home. They said by signing up I could vote in each county of every state. As a Republican I could never do this so this was way better. On top of that I got 10.00 a vote. Having the motor home I was a little peeved that I didn't join prior to Presidential election, I heard some people made thousands. Al Corn Franken invited me over with the 2543 other voters who voted for him and thanked us for doing the right thing and taking the time to vote in all the counties. I finally found a party that lets my voice be heard.


pj2ty
Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 8:30 am

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I’ve served on boards with people I didn’t know.


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He’s a citizen. You’re just grasping.

He was born in Hawaii, the government and the leaders at the time have
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WHY? BECAUSE HIS MOM WAS AMERICAN, STUPID! HE COULD HAVE BEEN BORN ON THE
MOON TO AN AMERICAN WOMAN AND HE’D STILL BE AN AMERICAN.
*”Obama blurted out “MY MUSLIM FAITH” so he’s an admitted Muslim…….but
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Just like a rightwingnut – always taking things out of context and talking
out of both sides of your big stupid redneck ass! WHY NOT INCLUDE EVERYTHING
HE SAID BEFORE AND AFTER THAT LITTLE SNIPPET?

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By the way, how is it your job to read the constitution? are you a scholar
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who believes whatever her bitchmasters tell her.


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everyone knows….where’d ya get that? Fox? hanniteee? There is no
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Hey, D/dave, If 64 billion was bad, HOW is 10 trillion, good?


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Yes folks, this person who hurls obscenities at me, wrong gender too, claims he ‘loves everyone’. Perfect display of liberal hypcrisy.

Smart people vote Republican, isn’t that why you like to spread the false impression that they are rich? It’s really Dems that are rich, and selfish and use their money to sue people when they can’t get what they want.

I don’t do what anyone tells me I am one who does the telling… LOL


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Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

No ‘leaders’ or anyone else has come forth with a legal birth certificate. Obama has spent $1M on lawyers to block having to come up with anything to show he was a citizen. His grandmother, who has no reason to lie, stated he was born in Kenya because she witnessed the birth.

Redneck. That’s pretty funny. I’ll bet your welfare check that Rednecks don’t drive Jaguars.


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Comment posted July 8, 2009 @ 5:44 pm

Trapper the idea of no taxes will not work and you know that. As for complaining about legislators doing their jobs I too am disappointed. This disappointment did not start just last month, it has been a practice to do back room deals with no one reading the final product but the authors for years in congress. You can not sale your house this day without a home inspection, which note the energy weatherization status of the home for the buyer. The $ 3,000 more for utilities a year is a bogus number used by the GOP and the CBO numbers are actually 175 to 200 per year, a big difference. But when you use misinformation and scare tactics one consequence is the repetitive use of that bogus information. The health care reform will be paid entirely from savings for the current bloated system. The insurance companies will have competition so they do not skim profits off the system and provide no services, and the drug makers and medical providers will provide the rest. What is wrong with health care for everyone, we are the last major country without it. Now I know you will agree that we can not keep fighting wars, killing people and making welfare payments to corporations without caring for the citizens. Change is painful and is feared by many but it is a constant in our lives if we choose to grow in the way of our lord as we come up the rough side of the mountain.


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Please research this a little more. I agree that all should have proper Health care, I just don't like the way they want to do it. I don't trust the government to give us any real facts when it comes to cost. Also, the current home inspection is not anywhere near what the energy proposal is. These two bills are more about a power grab than anything else.


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A little over the top, don't you think? Very funny though.


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I am constantly looking to see what actually comes out of the health care debate. I hear you about trusting the government to give us the true cost of any thing. The problem with Washington is every facet of our government is controlled by power brokers. I noticed some states were cautious about the requirements of the stimulus bill on building codes and weatherization standards. I did not read those provisions. The challenge, since we are always reacting to power grabs is to continue to press for changes in the regulations until they reflect an honest way to aid the elderly in the winter, improve building standards without destroying local control. Easier said than done.


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Sure, this was all staged by exact look-a-likes and is all a big scam. Do you get most your political information from comic books?


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demo34
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 8:43 am

I lot of people slam President Obama and call him the chosen one. Did the thought ever enter one's head that he actually is. He did inherit the worst economy since the great depression and two wars. Sure he has to spend alot of money to get us out of this mess. He may turn out to be the greatest President that ever lived. We need the energy bill and we need the health bill. If it cost us a few hundred a month to help support the less fortunate that would be a noble thing. I for one think that this is the dawn of a new era. I also support any tax increase that improves the USA. Keep it up, Mr Obama.


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These higher prices will show up not just in electricity bills or at the gas station but in every manufactured good, from food to cars. Consumers will cut back on spending, which in turn will cut back on production, which results in fewer jobs created or higher unemployment. Some companies will instead move their operations overseas, with the same result.

This is likely to be the biggest tax in American history and this tax is going to impact lower income people the most because this is a tax on everything INCLUDING neccesities

Some of the largest corporations used to be in NJ, Cali, and NY but there leaving in droves and the tax base and jobs are going with them…
http://www.njbia.org/news_newsr_080818.asp

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THESE PEOPLE ARE BANKRUPTING OUR COUNTRY AND WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH!


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Comment posted July 22, 2009 @ 12:21 am

this country is being bought and sold by acorn.
the IRS is becoming the KGB
illegal immigrants have more rights than born and raised americans.
the health reform is just the beginning of the government taking control of our lives. i happen to like my coverage. and i occasionally CHOOSE to do WITHOUT health insurance . now it will be forced down my throat. people come from all around the world for our health care. now we will be fleeing the country to find the best health care out there. this was a FREE country.


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Comment posted July 26, 2009 @ 6:06 pm

Because even though the Republicans are sorely lacking, they don't strongly push the destruction of America's foundation like the liberals. So when the liberals do get into power the anti tax, anti socialism, and anti big government sentiments explode.


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Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

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espa
Comment posted August 17, 2009 @ 10:47 pm

I believe your fight against government is a stupid one. What you need to do is refuse to accept Medicare and Social Security. Have nothing to do with neither of the two no matter what. Who do you think run those two programs? Are you aware that Medicare/Social Security are government run programs and that too was fought against the same way you are fighting against it now.
Your anger at government does not make sense. No thanks!


Anonymous
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

dissidentdave- Bush did not spend Trillions on anything. Your hero Obama is the one who thinks spending is the way to solvency. Why is it that you think jobs are being created at this time? Unemployment is higher than ever and the actual number of unemployed is probably a much larger number than advertised by our beloved government. Wake up. Everyone in Washington is ripping us off. GOVERNMENT CREATES NO WEALTH. It only confiscates money from productive people and businesses and panders to special interests to gain more power.


1hughj
Comment posted August 19, 2009 @ 1:20 pm

espa, you don't get it. The government is broke.They have no clue how to run anything. Medicare is broke as is Social Security. The money in our pocket is nearly worthless because these fools in Washington keep printing more and more to enslave us with these assinine programs. If government would just take the shackles off our small businesses and lower payroll taxes people would be able to provide better for themselves.


espa
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I believe your fight [argument]t has nothing to do with how much the government can afford. I am not convinced. It's just a lame excuse by some to continue the campaign. This is what happens when defeat is not accepted. Grumblers go on and on convincing some along the way that the fight is still necessary. They pick at everything thing the government in charge wants to do. All of us, including our children and grandchildren will die and leave government still standing.
Where were you when the last administration wasted money stupidly on an unnecessary war etc. For our survival government need to print and spend. It's the only way to dig ourselves out from the hole we are in now. If you were to receive bad news today about your health, won't you borrow inspite of being broke to pay the doctor to save your life?


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Obama, prosperity through pork barrel spending with newly printed money. What a plan.

Does anyone know of an instance, anywhere on the planet, where massive government spending to payoff special interests has lead to prosperity? Anyone?


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Tea Party Sept.5,2009 at Voice of America Park in West Chester,Ohio. Apx. 20,000 people attended. Not bad for a small town.
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Texas Tea baggers for leaving the union. Let them go. After the Civil we should not have let the south back in the Union. We should have admonstered it as a teritory.


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