Comments on: Using Law to Justify Torture http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture National News in Context Fri, 27 Nov 2009 04:28:34 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: johnhkennedy http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture/comment-page-1#comment-63875 johnhkennedy Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:18:28 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=465#comment-63875 "The Democrats’ call for an independent investigation has received little attention – perhaps because the Justice Dept. has consistently denied that policymakers could be culpable. After all, they were acting on the advice of legal counsel."<br><br>Seems like the Justice Department is almost obstructing Justice.<br>Don't let Holder get away with it.<br><br>SIGN THE PETITIONS<br>Demanding<br>both a Commission of Inquiry<br>and a Special Prosecutor<br>For All Their Crimes<br>at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG<br><br><a href="http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG" rel="nofollow">http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG</a><br><br>========================= “The Democrats’ call for an independent investigation has received little attention – perhaps because the Justice Dept. has consistently denied that policymakers could be culpable. After all, they were acting on the advice of legal counsel.”

Seems like the Justice Department is almost obstructing Justice.
Don't let Holder get away with it.

SIGN THE PETITIONS
Demanding
both a Commission of Inquiry
and a Special Prosecutor
For All Their Crimes
at ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

http://ANGRYVOTERS.ORG

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]]> By: anonymous http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture/comment-page-1#comment-34773 anonymous Sun, 17 May 2009 02:32:40 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=465#comment-34773 I am being secretly mentally torched by the government also.The bad part about is that the citizens participate in it and they don't even know its torcher because the government blind them with money.If you being paid well to stay silent would you do anything to jepodize your steady paycheck.Especially if you have been receiving a check for over 10 years.What the government has been doing for the past 10 years is relying on the information my accussers and others have given them.From their the goverment develope and made up their own theory of what was my involvement in the illegal activities my accuser was in.Then they use deceptive tactics against me to have me talking and behaving in and out of character.In others words when my accusers could not trap me the government took over and set a trap.The government already had a plan with what they was trying to do to me since 1999.You see the government use all of my words or even if write something down on paper against me.What they do is use the government laws when its convienent for them.But go off the record when they wamt to break them.How long this is going to continue is anyone's guess.Anyway I just work up one morning and a spirit came over me and said to stop talking because it was useless.How can you keep talking trying to convince a satanic power control greedy government that your innocent.Eventually you would not have any energy anymore.Now I just keep my thoughts to myself or express them on a website.This mess been going on so long it phase out into another dimension.Just a secret government experiment if you ask me.This is a shame because I thought the black slavery days was over.This let you now that if your a person of color the government can still do what ever they want.You would expect by now someone should of stood up and put a stop to this mess especially your own race.Man what a surprise and a awakening for me.JUST PUPPETS ON A VIOLIN STRING! I am being secretly mentally torched by the government also.The bad part about is that the citizens participate in it and they don't even know its torcher because the government blind them with money.If you being paid well to stay silent would you do anything to jepodize your steady paycheck.Especially if you have been receiving a check for over 10 years.What the government has been doing for the past 10 years is relying on the information my accussers and others have given them.From their the goverment develope and made up their own theory of what was my involvement in the illegal activities my accuser was in.Then they use deceptive tactics against me to have me talking and behaving in and out of character.In others words when my accusers could not trap me the government took over and set a trap.The government already had a plan with what they was trying to do to me since 1999.You see the government use all of my words or even if write something down on paper against me.What they do is use the government laws when its convienent for them.But go off the record when they wamt to break them.How long this is going to continue is anyone's guess.Anyway I just work up one morning and a spirit came over me and said to stop talking because it was useless.How can you keep talking trying to convince a satanic power control greedy government that your innocent.Eventually you would not have any energy anymore.Now I just keep my thoughts to myself or express them on a website.This mess been going on so long it phase out into another dimension.Just a secret government experiment if you ask me.This is a shame because I thought the black slavery days was over.This let you now that if your a person of color the government can still do what ever they want.You would expect by now someone should of stood up and put a stop to this mess especially your own race.Man what a surprise and a awakening for me.JUST PUPPETS ON A VIOLIN STRING!

]]> By: anonymous http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture/comment-page-1#comment-30832 anonymous Sat, 16 May 2009 19:32:40 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=465#comment-30832 I am being secretly mentally torched by the government also.The bad part about is that the citizens participate in it and they don't even know its torcher because the government blind them with money.If you being paid well to stay silent would you do anything to jepodize your steady paycheck.Especially if you have been receiving a check for over 10 years.What the government has been doing for the past 10 years is relying on the information my accussers and others have given them.From their the goverment develope and made up their own theory of what was my involvement in the illegal activities my accuser was in.Then they use deceptive tactics against me to have me talking and behaving in and out of character.In others words when my accusers could not trap me the government took over and set a trap.The government already had a plan with what they was trying to do to me since 1999.You see the government use all of my words or even if write something down on paper against me.What they do is use the government laws when its convienent for them.But go off the record when they wamt to break them.How long this is going to continue is anyone's guess.Anyway I just work up one morning and a spirit came over me and said to stop talking because it was useless.How can you keep talking trying to convince a satanic power control greedy government that your innocent.Eventually you would not have any energy anymore.Now I just keep my thoughts to myself or express them on a website.This mess been going on so long it phase out into another dimension.Just a secret government experiment if you ask me.This is a shame because I thought the black slavery days was over.This let you now that if your a person of color the government can still do what ever they want.You would expect by now someone should of stood up and put a stop to this mess especially your own race.Man what a surprise and a awakening for me.JUST PUPPETS ON A VIOLIN STRING! I am being secretly mentally torched by the government also.The bad part about is that the citizens participate in it and they don't even know its torcher because the government blind them with money.If you being paid well to stay silent would you do anything to jepodize your steady paycheck.Especially if you have been receiving a check for over 10 years.What the government has been doing for the past 10 years is relying on the information my accussers and others have given them.From their the goverment develope and made up their own theory of what was my involvement in the illegal activities my accuser was in.Then they use deceptive tactics against me to have me talking and behaving in and out of character.In others words when my accusers could not trap me the government took over and set a trap.The government already had a plan with what they was trying to do to me since 1999.You see the government use all of my words or even if write something down on paper against me.What they do is use the government laws when its convienent for them.But go off the record when they wamt to break them.How long this is going to continue is anyone's guess.Anyway I just work up one morning and a spirit came over me and said to stop talking because it was useless.How can you keep talking trying to convince a satanic power control greedy government that your innocent.Eventually you would not have any energy anymore.Now I just keep my thoughts to myself or express them on a website.This mess been going on so long it phase out into another dimension.Just a secret government experiment if you ask me.This is a shame because I thought the black slavery days was over.This let you now that if your a person of color the government can still do what ever they want.You would expect by now someone should of stood up and put a stop to this mess especially your own race.Man what a surprise and a awakening for me.JUST PUPPETS ON A VIOLIN STRING!

]]> By: George Arndt http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture/comment-page-1#comment-13121 George Arndt Thu, 27 Nov 2008 21:45:46 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=465#comment-13121 Torture, contrary to the way it is often portrayed in movies and TV, torture is actually an unreliable way to obtain information from a prisoner. This is why information obtained under duress is inadmissible as evidence in most Western courtrooms. A closely related problem with torture is the phenomenon of “false positives” in which a prisoner fabricates information just to stop the torture. Torture, contrary to the way it is often portrayed in movies and TV, torture is actually an unreliable way to obtain information from a prisoner. This is why information obtained under duress is inadmissible as evidence in most Western courtrooms. A closely related problem with torture is the phenomenon of “false positives” in which a prisoner fabricates information just to stop the torture.

]]> By: ajamo http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture/comment-page-1#comment-2396 ajamo Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:54:27 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=465#comment-2396 Put in a simple wording, IT'S UN AMERICAN ACT Put in a simple wording, IT'S UN AMERICAN ACT

]]> By: twperson http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture/comment-page-1#comment-2395 twperson Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:54:44 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=465#comment-2395 No bias here.....What is the "so-called" war on terror if not an "actual" war on terror? As for "stress positions and attack dogs, sexual humiliation and (my turn) "physical violence" and to the idea that the idiot Rumsfeld approved of those techniques...so what. They are not soldiers and have no right to the protections of the Geneva Conventions mandates. (a point you fail to point out)Human Rights First is a source? Please. As far as the data supplied to AP... 108 died violently in US custody, how many were severely wounded before being captured? You cherry pick your "facts" to make your case...Typical No bias here…..What is the “so-called” war on terror if not an “actual” war on terror? As for “stress positions and attack dogs, sexual humiliation and (my turn) “physical violence” and to the idea that the idiot Rumsfeld approved of those techniques…so what. They are not soldiers and have no right to the protections of the Geneva Conventions mandates. (a point you fail to point out)Human Rights First is a source? Please. As far as the data supplied to AP… 108 died violently in US custody, how many were severely wounded before being captured? You cherry pick your “facts” to make your case…Typical

]]> By: mvguy http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture/comment-page-1#comment-2394 mvguy Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:41:04 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=465#comment-2394 TORTURE?? Hey we NEED all the TOOLS!! When there is a REALLY BIG CRIME to HIDE.....It is essential to have ALL THE TOOLS..Phonetaps, E-taps Propaganda & Torture are NECESSARY. First, one must investigate the CRIME........And GET THE STORY OUT of how the EVILDOERS were responsible....HEY.....They ADMIT it!!! [with TORTURE] The "witches" in Salem ADMITTED to being witches [a CRIME for which being BURNED AT THE STAKE was the penalty} to BE ALLOWED to BREATHE. Second all the EVIDENCE must be destroyed.................Interrogation tapes of "TERRORISTS" DESTROYED by CIA?? See <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1210/p03s03-usju.html">http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1210/p03s03-usju....</a> THINK that the AIR TRAFFIC controllers MAY have a STORY to TELL?? 911 Air TRAFFIC CONTROLLER audio TAPES DESTROYED?? See <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F03EEDF173CF934A35756C0A9629C8B63">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=...</a> Need More?? They dont wanna VOTE for the PATRIOT ACT?? Send them ANTHRAX!!! <a href="http://www.newsgarden.org/columns/anthrax/anthraxtargets.shtml">http://www.newsgarden.org/columns/anthrax/anthr...</a> Why not ALLOW all CRIMINALS to use TORTURE to assist their IMAGE, SITUATION and to VANQUISH their ENEMIES...........Like legalized gambling, its legalized for YOU 2B the VICTIM not the Perpetrator................................. TORTURE?? Hey we NEED all the TOOLS!! When there is a REALLY BIG CRIME to HIDE…..It is essential to have ALL THE TOOLS..Phonetaps, E-taps Propaganda & Torture are NECESSARY. First, one must investigate the CRIME……..And GET THE STORY OUT of how the EVILDOERS were responsible….HEY…..They ADMIT it!!! [with TORTURE] The “witches” in Salem ADMITTED to being witches [a CRIME for which being BURNED AT THE STAKE was the penalty} to BE ALLOWED to BREATHE. Second all the EVIDENCE must be destroyed……………..Interrogation tapes of “TERRORISTS” DESTROYED by CIA?? See http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/1210/p03s03-usju…. THINK that the AIR TRAFFIC controllers MAY have a STORY to TELL?? 911 Air TRAFFIC CONTROLLER audio TAPES DESTROYED?? See http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=... Need More?? They dont wanna VOTE for the PATRIOT ACT?? Send them ANTHRAX!!! http://www.newsgarden.org/columns/anthrax/anthr... Why not ALLOW all CRIMINALS to use TORTURE to assist their IMAGE, SITUATION and to VANQUISH their ENEMIES………..Like legalized gambling, its legalized for YOU 2B the VICTIM not the Perpetrator……………………………

]]> By: auslahe http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture/comment-page-1#comment-2393 auslahe Tue, 29 Jul 2008 07:11:42 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=465#comment-2393 Forceful article<br><br>A democratic government does not brake the law! Forceful article

A democratic government does not brake the law!

]]> By: howiekurtznot http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture/comment-page-1#comment-2392 howiekurtznot Mon, 28 Jul 2008 11:07:42 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=465#comment-2392 I'm with Marshalldoc. Apologists for torture are tragic.<br><br>One bizarre comment says: "If fair treatment of your enemy is based on reciprocity-by all means keep it . If no reciprocity is expected -do all you can to ensure your survival." Another says: "Instead of being legalistic we have to be realistic.Our democratic way of life and our existence may depend on it!" Hach and Stefa are claiming that to save the American democratic way of life we must give it up.<br><br>Let's see, where was it we heard about "destroying the village in order to save it"? I'm with Marshalldoc. Apologists for torture are tragic.

One bizarre comment says: “If fair treatment of your enemy is based on reciprocity-by all means keep it . If no reciprocity is expected -do all you can to ensure your survival.” Another says: “Instead of being legalistic we have to be realistic.Our democratic way of life and our existence may depend on it!” Hach and Stefa are claiming that to save the American democratic way of life we must give it up.

Let's see, where was it we heard about “destroying the village in order to save it”?

]]> By: micky http://washingtonindependent.com/465/using-law-to-justify-torture/comment-page-1#comment-2391 micky Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:23:14 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=465#comment-2391 Very good review of a difficult humanitarian and legal problem.Torture in any form should not be allowed even on people who would not hesitate to use it on us.Not only because it violates our moral standards,but also because it is usually useless in the quality of information that is obtained.Better psychological methods are available ,and those if used by experienced investegators achieve superior results. Very good review of a difficult humanitarian and legal problem.Torture in any form should not be allowed even on people who would not hesitate to use it on us.Not only because it violates our moral standards,but also because it is usually useless in the quality of information that is obtained.Better psychological methods are available ,and those if used by experienced investegators achieve superior results.

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