Inside a North Korean Labor Camp

Embarassing. Since Obama doesn't prosecute Federal Torture Law violators
He can hardly complain about American journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee
Being Tortured By The North Koreans.

Obama is digging a big hole by refusing to prosecute torturers.

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To compare the conditions is a joke. Spend one week at Gitmo and one week in the camps you've described and I challenge you to make an honest reporting at that time of the difference in treatment. Shame on you.

Oh here we have another Mike Stivic-like anti american bleeding heart liberal, if you dont like this country, get the hell out, traitor.

You play in the middle of the road, you're gonna get run over.Ling and Lee were stupid to try and illegally cross the border, and they complicate matters for US diplomacy.
Similarly, Ms Saberi tried to buy alcohol and pilfered asensitive document from an Iranian official.
Why should these 'reporters' get a pass when they break another country's laws?

[...] The Washington Independent » Inside a North Korean Labor Camp [...]

[...] The Washington Independent » Inside a North Korean Labor CampHere’s a glimpse of what it’s like inside a North Korean labor camp — of the sort that American journalists Laura Ling and Euna Lee will have to endure now that a kangaroo court has convicted them for spying. It’s from the most recent … Read more [...]

[...] And in case you were wondering what these “labor camps” are like, check out this description from the State Department’s latest global human rights report, via the Washington Independent. [...]

[...] from last week’s photo montage chronicling the bleakness that is North Korea, here is another piece on the NK labor camps now home to American [...]

Few border problems are not solved by suitable use of land mines.

Good article, even though it seems to have attracted some loons in the comment section (my favorite being the comparison of daring journalists and kids playing in a street).

Dick Cheney can certainly differentiate between what goes on in a North Korean forced labor camp and what hasn't happened at GITMO, ya see, we don't torture. The North Korean's would torment these two women just for grins, wringing their hands, accompanied by maniacal laughter, and what intelligence could they be extracting from these accused spies??? Terrorist detainees, as far as I know, just 3 of'em, were exposed to EIT and info was obtained, as soon as the President and the leftists in congress allow it, we'll know what it was. Which begs the question, if there is nothing there why no release the interrogation memos.

“The North Korean's would torment these two women just for grins, wringing their hands, accompanied by maniacal laughter” – Bob Sacamano

Bob, you do know that “Team America” was just a movie, right?

Ya got me dude, I've been reduced to a blithering recipient of enhanced interrogation techniques. What I wrote was indefensible, I guess a cartoon is all the argument you need, good work maaaannnn, far out….

I heard a story about a guy named Simon, it seems on a cold day he walks into a bar, he's got in his cupped hands a steaming pile of dog poo and walks-up to the bar tender and says, “look what I almost stepped in”.

I would define torture is when no economic or military advantage is to be obtained.

The N. Koreans impose these painful methods not to gain knowledge of secrets, but to punish. That is the difference between Cheney's enhanced interrogations and the N. Koreans. Cheney is looking for information. The N. Koreans obviously are sending a signal instead of seeking information. They don't want outsiders criticizing and exposing the conditions of N. Korea.

This is very much like how US law treats manslaughter and murder. If a perpetrator drives over a kid, could be an accident or murder. The exact same action could have two different definitions.

In your article, you said US enhanced interrogations used the same techniques as N. Korea, so we couldn't say it is torture. That is such illogical reasoning. The intent and the person having the pain inflicted upon matters in the definition.

So the ends justifies the means, koolau?

Get your facts straight. Espionage was NOT included in the list of offenses the two women were found guilty of, despite your assertion that “a kangaroo court has convicted them for spying”. In fact, neither the word “espionage” nor the word “spying” is found in the article you link to.

This is very sad. I wonder exactly what they did that was such a “grave crime.” Shouldn’t the camera-guy that escaped have the whole thing on camera? The video should show if they were being hostile.

Some of you people are cold heartless IDIOTS. This is definitely torture regardless of what some of you A**HOLES think. Why don't you go to N Korea and stay the night in one of those camps and then come back and say it's still NOT torture. Your ignorance makes you look stupid and heartless.

Ya know why this happened??? The North Koreans don't fear America, but they should. They must feel there's not going to be retribution, America doesn't have the stones. It's just too bad we're stuck with the current Charlatan in Chief, Barack Obama, now there's a true warrior, he's got our back, the schmuck.

Madeleine Albright was the perfect example of misdirected attempts at diplomacy, wasting her time along with the time of all the support crews transporting that hag around the world, making believe she's making a difference. Hillary will just be another in a long line of failed Democrat, leftist, loon, whacks trying to play grown-ups. Hey, lets go out to the barn and put on a show!!!!

Tell me what price has North Korea paid for any, ANY of their transgressions, zip, and until they do this kind of stuff will continue. Do hostages, bring back any memories of another failed Presidency…

How very transparent your article is. To compare the U.S. techniques of enhanced interrogation to the forced abortions, bone breaking, burning and chemical testing done to North Korean families in the name of sending a message through collective guilt is shameful. Your political grand standing does a disservice to real torture victims of North Korea. No one has ever died from water boarding. I wish I could say the same for the poor souls in North Korea that endure a hell everyday that you and I will never know, God Willing.

Well said, koolau. I wonder if water boarding would be more palatable to those who dislike making terrorists uncomfortable if they could save their own child with the information gained.

Its time to wipe N Korea from the face of the earth. Tell their Chinese puppet masters either the two women come back or we start new trade restrictions. Remember whenever you buy Chinese goods you are supporting N Korea as they are a Chinese puppet state!

Maybe if George Bush had finished Afghanistan and stade out of Iraq the N Koreans would have something to fear. It want Obamma that overextended our military and invaded Iraq unprovoked.

It sounds terrible. Article would better without the unnecessary swipes at Cheney which is totally off subject.

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I feel for for the family and friends of the two juronalists abducted from the North Koreans. It is a difficult time for everyone involved. NOW IS THE TIME TO TALK.I WISH we could do more to help them. Is there any way to communicate?

I went to read this because I am concerned about the North Korea situation. I found this article to be laughable at the most. This reporter is stating a LOT of speculations as fact. I feel like I am reading a 12 year old leftist brainwashed by their parents. How does this person know that this as a kangaroo court? Were they there? And do they know what laws that they broke in that country? This reporter is definitely one of the many sheeple that are in this country right now. They believe everything and research nothing. A true reporter works all of the time and does not run home to enjoy life with the family. The local news people can do this, but, if you are reporting on anything outside that, then this person should resign to save face.

I totally agree. This guy has all of his links in place to blame Bush and Cheney. Critics of Guantanamo that actually visited there, said they were completely satisfied with how the prisoners were treated. They are actually treated better than prisoners in US jails. What is it called again, BDS? Bush Derangement Syndrome. The MSM are soo amusing with their open bias in news coverage.

Maybe it is torture, but it is their law. We can only condemn their ridiculous system of government and learn a lesson from this. Don't mess around in other people's problems. All nations are sovereign, despite how horrible they are. It is the duty of their own population to solve their problems.

The reporters were just going to tell us information we already knew. N. Korea is a horrible place, where starvation, cruelty, primitive conditions exist. So they were going to show a few more pictures and hope the US would stop it. The US doesn't have a responsibility to solve other nation's internal problems unless it benefits the US.

Many times the end result is so desirable and beneficial that all means, no matter how costly, are outweighed by the benefits.
War is a perfect example of such a situation. We inflict horrible pain on ourselves and others for a future of secure liberty. That outcome is so precious, valuable and desirable that justifies the means to the end.

What makes you think they weren't spying? It really isn't that much of a stretch…
After all, if the CIA wasn't actively trying to insert people, and indeed they seem to be relying a lot more on women these days, it would be not only surprising, but an indication of yet more incompetence.

To automatically assume that they aren't is a bit naive.

It appears that Spencer is more interested in a hit piece on Bush-Cheney than on NK camps. I suppose in his next piece he will have Obama flying in from heaven to save these poor folks.

[...] The Washington Independent writes that political prisoners can expect “prolonged periods of exposure to the elements, humiliations such as public nakedness, and confinement for up to several weeks in small ‘punishment cells’ in which prisoners were unable to stand upright or lie down.” Meanwhile, the official site of the United States State Department offers a chilling look at human rights in North Korea. [...]

This is very sad for these girls and their families.I live in New Zealand, but an amazed at how the Republicans
are always portraying Obama as the Messiah or glorifying him….such blasphomy
from them…..do they have no fear of God. You Republicans are very brave to continually portray Obama in this manner….

Paula, Republicans are the party that believes in God. The Democrats constantly try to take anything related to religion away from us. If you go to church one day a week, the Democratic party considers you to be a religious fanatic and tells law enforcement to put you on a watch list because you are a right wing extremist.
The story about these two girls is very sad. And I wish them the best. But, when a left wing activist writes a news story to spew his hatred for Bush, I am against it. The left here have a big problem that they blame everything on Bush because they do not know how to think for themselves and follow the mainstream like sheep…

Maryo

Yes Maryo I know, I did live in the States for about 6 yrs and was following the Republican Party wholeheartedly, it was like being one of the religious crowd when Jesus came into town, and then I saw another side of them, and it really opened my eyes. They believed in God alsok, but had no clue who Jesus was, their religion, pride, etc etc had blinded them to the TRUTH, and they were just a rich powerful relgious group….thanks for replying though.

Yes Maryo I know, I did live in the States for about 6 yrs and was following the Republican Party wholeheartedly, it was like being one of the religious crowd when Jesus came into town, and then I saw another side of them, and it really opened my eyes. They believed in God alsok, but had no clue who Jesus was, their religion, pride, etc etc had blinded them to the TRUTH, and they were just a rich powerful relgious group….thanks for replying though.

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You obiviously don't listen to the news. It is not the republicans that honor Obama, that would be the democratic and mostly the movie stars that have this fantasy as if “HE IS THE ONE” it is sad and very dangerous.

AN REBUBLICAN

You obiviously don't listen to the news. It is not the republicans that honor Obama, that would be the democratic and mostly the movie stars that have this fantasy as if “HE IS THE ONE” it is sad and very dangerous.

AN REBUBLICAN

I absolutely hate the Chinese government and chinese nationals who abuse others for their own selfish exploits. wish i could slit all their thoats in one session.

That would be the democrats… not the republicans???

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