Comments on: Don’t Assume Tiller’s Killer Acted Alone http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone National News in Context Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:40:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Paul http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone/comment-page-1#comment-39045 Paul Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:02:21 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=45216#comment-39045 Also, don't always reduce conservative positions to religious belief. Many of those beliefs are quite sensible and have nothing at all to do with religion. And "pro-lifers don't care about adult lives"? More nonsense. Reductivism is a convenient way of ignoring parts of an issue that one can't really refute. Caricature the "opponent" so that he can be ridiculed. Do not for any reason attempt to portray any subtleties or nuances. That makes things too complicated to knock down in a few sentences. Also, don't always reduce conservative positions to religious belief. Many of those beliefs are quite sensible and have nothing at all to do with religion. And “pro-lifers don't care about adult lives”? More nonsense. Reductivism is a convenient way of ignoring parts of an issue that one can't really refute. Caricature the “opponent” so that he can be ridiculed. Do not for any reason attempt to portray any subtleties or nuances. That makes things too complicated to knock down in a few sentences.

]]> By: Paul http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone/comment-page-1#comment-39038 Paul Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:41:15 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=45216#comment-39038 It wasn't a bad post until you used the term, "conservaturds". You just couldn't refrain from some childishness could you. Too bad. It only makes YOU look bad. It wasn't a bad post until you used the term, “conservaturds”. You just couldn't refrain from some childishness could you. Too bad. It only makes YOU look bad.

]]> By: Paul http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone/comment-page-1#comment-39035 Paul Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:39:07 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=45216#comment-39035 How do you people who condone killing babies sleep at night? Are you so politicized that you can't see anything without filtering it through your ideological bias? Is it all a matter of location? A baby outside the womb must be protected. A baby inside the womb has no rights at all. Your illogic and callousness makes YOU the ones who seem like "nutters". It's not progressive. It's not modern. Its barbarism. Just look away and it won't bother you. Use euphemisms. Call others names. Then you can keep your bleeding hearts bone dry. What a world of delusion you live in. A world of abstract thought that ignores the physical realities. How do you people who condone killing babies sleep at night? Are you so politicized that you can't see anything without filtering it through your ideological bias? Is it all a matter of location? A baby outside the womb must be protected. A baby inside the womb has no rights at all. Your illogic and callousness makes YOU the ones who seem like “nutters”. It's not progressive. It's not modern. Its barbarism. Just look away and it won't bother you. Use euphemisms. Call others names. Then you can keep your bleeding hearts bone dry. What a world of delusion you live in. A world of abstract thought that ignores the physical realities.

]]> By: davemartin7777 http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone/comment-page-1#comment-35003 davemartin7777 Fri, 19 Jun 2009 04:50:56 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=45216#comment-35003 This is irrefutable proof James Van Brunn is a rightwing nutter.<br><br>James Van Brunn was a frequent poster on the far-rightwing hate site “Free Republic”.<br><br>His postings were well accepted by the “Freepers”.<br><br>His hateful screed “Obama is Missing” is signed by him, IN HIS FULL NAME, James W. von Brunn, on December 02, 2008 It is still up on that site… check it out before it’s removed.<br><br>His Free Republic nick was “wannabegeek”… read his other rightwing hate posts.<br><br>Google Free Republic “Obama is Missing”<br><br><a href="http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:niXSYG-nVO8J:www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2141655/posts" rel="nofollow">http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:niXSYG-nVO8...</a><br><br>Type in user, wannabegeek if the link below is broken and read von Brunn’s other rightwing rants as well as the “Freepers” hateful, SUPPORTIVE responses.<br><br><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:wannabegeek/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change" rel="nofollow">http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:wannabegeek/...</a> This is irrefutable proof James Van Brunn is a rightwing nutter.

James Van Brunn was a frequent poster on the far-rightwing hate site “Free Republic”.

His postings were well accepted by the “Freepers”.

His hateful screed “Obama is Missing” is signed by him, IN HIS FULL NAME, James W. von Brunn, on December 02, 2008 It is still up on that site… check it out before it’s removed.

His Free Republic nick was “wannabegeek”… read his other rightwing hate posts.

Google Free Republic “Obama is Missing”

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:niXSYG-nVO8…

Type in user, wannabegeek if the link below is broken and read von Brunn’s other rightwing rants as well as the “Freepers” hateful, SUPPORTIVE responses.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:wannabegeek/…

]]> By: Punisher http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone/comment-page-1#comment-34359 Punisher Sun, 07 Jun 2009 22:58:29 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=45216#comment-34359 This article loses any claim to objectivity and honesty when it cites Franky Schaeffer as a source. It only makes liberals lool that guillible. Schaeffer has for decades ridicule and mock his parents, even while his mom was alive, even over her looks. And it has nothing to do with political or moral issues like abortion, but because he became an Eastern Orthodox convert so felt the need to demonize his parents and anyone who are evangelical Protestants. He has been doing it for decades, and this, among with other countless examples, are just one of the latest opportunity he used to smear and take more cheapshots at his parents, while disgusing that as an apology. He is no role model of civility, and many of his vitrolic words can be taken as "hate speech" (even call to rid the world of) against conservative Christians, far more than 95 percent of pro-lifers can say about abortionists. Pro-lifers see abortion as murder, but oppose taking the law into one's own hand to murder abortionists. In actuality, that was the view of his own father Francis, whose words Franky attempt to twist. Franky has no honor, no code, no integrity whatsoever.<br><br>It is funny that the pro-life movement should be painted as extremists. This is the first case of a death of an abortion doctor in about a decade. If the pro-life movement is all about murdering abortion doctors, then how come there is but a few deaths of abortion doctors in the 36 years of Roe v Wade?<br><br>How come liberals don't say Muslims are all extremists, because of far more cases of violence done in the mane of their religion, but say that these acts of violences do not speak for all Muslims, but only the extremist ones?<br><br>If what pro-lifers say are hate speech, then what about things Olbermann and other folks on MSNBC say in hateful forms against conservatives? What about the tasteless Olbmernann and Musto jokes about Prejean? What about incitements to rape of conservative women like Palin and Malkin by liberal writers?<br><br>Those words actually and directly call for violents to take place. Pro-lifers object to abortion precisely because we see abortion as VIOLENT acts against humanity. This article loses any claim to objectivity and honesty when it cites Franky Schaeffer as a source. It only makes liberals lool that guillible. Schaeffer has for decades ridicule and mock his parents, even while his mom was alive, even over her looks. And it has nothing to do with political or moral issues like abortion, but because he became an Eastern Orthodox convert so felt the need to demonize his parents and anyone who are evangelical Protestants. He has been doing it for decades, and this, among with other countless examples, are just one of the latest opportunity he used to smear and take more cheapshots at his parents, while disgusing that as an apology. He is no role model of civility, and many of his vitrolic words can be taken as “hate speech” (even call to rid the world of) against conservative Christians, far more than 95 percent of pro-lifers can say about abortionists. Pro-lifers see abortion as murder, but oppose taking the law into one's own hand to murder abortionists. In actuality, that was the view of his own father Francis, whose words Franky attempt to twist. Franky has no honor, no code, no integrity whatsoever.

It is funny that the pro-life movement should be painted as extremists. This is the first case of a death of an abortion doctor in about a decade. If the pro-life movement is all about murdering abortion doctors, then how come there is but a few deaths of abortion doctors in the 36 years of Roe v Wade?

How come liberals don't say Muslims are all extremists, because of far more cases of violence done in the mane of their religion, but say that these acts of violences do not speak for all Muslims, but only the extremist ones?

If what pro-lifers say are hate speech, then what about things Olbermann and other folks on MSNBC say in hateful forms against conservatives? What about the tasteless Olbmernann and Musto jokes about Prejean? What about incitements to rape of conservative women like Palin and Malkin by liberal writers?

Those words actually and directly call for violents to take place. Pro-lifers object to abortion precisely because we see abortion as VIOLENT acts against humanity.

]]> By: Punisher http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone/comment-page-1#comment-32695 Punisher Sun, 07 Jun 2009 15:58:29 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=45216#comment-32695 This article loses any claim to objectivity and honesty when it cites Franky Schaeffer as a source. It only makes liberals lool that guillible. Schaeffer has for decades ridicule and mock his parents, even while his mom was alive, even over her looks. And it has nothing to do with political or moral issues like abortion, but because he became an Eastern Orthodox convert so felt the need to demonize his parents and anyone who are evangelical Protestants. He has been doing it for decades, and this, among with other countless examples, are just one of the latest opportunity he used to smear and take more cheapshots at his parents, while disgusing that as an apology. He is no role model of civility, and many of his vitrolic words can be taken as "hate speech" (even call to rid the world of) against conservative Christians, far more than 95 percent of pro-lifers can say about abortionists. Pro-lifers see abortion as murder, but oppose taking the law into one's own hand to murder abortionists. In actuality, that was the view of his own father Francis, whose words Franky attempt to twist. Franky has no honor, no code, no integrity whatsoever.<br><br>It is funny that the pro-life movement should be painted as extremists. This is the first case of a death of an abortion doctor in about a decade. If the pro-life movement is all about murdering abortion doctors, then how come there is but a few deaths of abortion doctors in the 36 years of Roe v Wade?<br><br>How come liberals don't say Muslims are all extremists, because of far more cases of violence done in the mane of their religion, but say that these acts of violences do not speak for all Muslims, but only the extremist ones?<br><br>If what pro-lifers say are hate speech, then what about things Olbermann and other folks on MSNBC say in hateful forms against conservatives? What about the tasteless Olbmernann and Musto jokes about Prejean? What about incitements to rape of conservative women like Palin and Malkin by liberal writers?<br><br>Those words actually and directly call for violents to take place. Pro-lifers object to abortion precisely because we see abortion as VIOLENT acts against humanity. This article loses any claim to objectivity and honesty when it cites Franky Schaeffer as a source. It only makes liberals lool that guillible. Schaeffer has for decades ridicule and mock his parents, even while his mom was alive, even over her looks. And it has nothing to do with political or moral issues like abortion, but because he became an Eastern Orthodox convert so felt the need to demonize his parents and anyone who are evangelical Protestants. He has been doing it for decades, and this, among with other countless examples, are just one of the latest opportunity he used to smear and take more cheapshots at his parents, while disgusing that as an apology. He is no role model of civility, and many of his vitrolic words can be taken as “hate speech” (even call to rid the world of) against conservative Christians, far more than 95 percent of pro-lifers can say about abortionists. Pro-lifers see abortion as murder, but oppose taking the law into one's own hand to murder abortionists. In actuality, that was the view of his own father Francis, whose words Franky attempt to twist. Franky has no honor, no code, no integrity whatsoever.

It is funny that the pro-life movement should be painted as extremists. This is the first case of a death of an abortion doctor in about a decade. If the pro-life movement is all about murdering abortion doctors, then how come there is but a few deaths of abortion doctors in the 36 years of Roe v Wade?

How come liberals don't say Muslims are all extremists, because of far more cases of violence done in the mane of their religion, but say that these acts of violences do not speak for all Muslims, but only the extremist ones?

If what pro-lifers say are hate speech, then what about things Olbermann and other folks on MSNBC say in hateful forms against conservatives? What about the tasteless Olbmernann and Musto jokes about Prejean? What about incitements to rape of conservative women like Palin and Malkin by liberal writers?

Those words actually and directly call for violents to take place. Pro-lifers object to abortion precisely because we see abortion as VIOLENT acts against humanity.

]]> By: CheMan http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone/comment-page-1#comment-32090 CheMan Wed, 03 Jun 2009 12:00:09 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=45216#comment-32090 The people who attack abortion providers are fanatical Christian terrorists pure and simple. They claim that they are "defending life"! Really. Where are they when their evangelical president bombs the hell out of an Afghan village, attack Iraq to steal its oil or commits torture, or nukes Nagasaki? Oh, I guess those people don't deserve life because their not Christian???<br><br>The "pro-life" movement is an oxymoron that is home to some of the most hate-filled, intolerant and psychopathic individuals in the world. Their goal is nothing more than to force the bible down our throats and evangelize all of us! It starts with abortion providers but who is next...Liberals, Muslims, Blacks, all Democrats???? This act was a politically motivated act of terrorism that is meant to take away rights and discourage debate.<br><br>Time to get tough with the fanatics. In the past we had the Black Panthers or the Weather Underground fighting for the Left with some muscle! Who does this today???<br>"One of ours, Now one of Theirs" should be our new slogan!! Time to fight back. The people who attack abortion providers are fanatical Christian terrorists pure and simple. They claim that they are “defending life”! Really. Where are they when their evangelical president bombs the hell out of an Afghan village, attack Iraq to steal its oil or commits torture, or nukes Nagasaki? Oh, I guess those people don't deserve life because their not Christian???

The “pro-life” movement is an oxymoron that is home to some of the most hate-filled, intolerant and psychopathic individuals in the world. Their goal is nothing more than to force the bible down our throats and evangelize all of us! It starts with abortion providers but who is next…Liberals, Muslims, Blacks, all Democrats???? This act was a politically motivated act of terrorism that is meant to take away rights and discourage debate.

Time to get tough with the fanatics. In the past we had the Black Panthers or the Weather Underground fighting for the Left with some muscle! Who does this today???
“One of ours, Now one of Theirs” should be our new slogan!! Time to fight back.

]]> By: Brian_Richard_Allen http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone/comment-page-1#comment-32071 Brian_Richard_Allen Wed, 03 Jun 2009 00:46:15 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=45216#comment-32071 Agreed: <br><br>If the killer of the killer*, Tiller, acted as the consequence of a criminal conspiracy of any kind and by the members of any institution, then the Law must be free to pursue its course and to seek retribution, to see justice is done. <br><br>And what about the "church" of whose congregation the killer*, Tiller, was an apparently "respected" member? <br><br>By your rationalization, shouldn't the church burners be sent to see to its doors being locked one Sunday morning prior to their burning it to the ground? <br><br>Brian Richard Allen<br>Los Angeles Califotillercated 90028<br>And the Far Abroad<br><br><br>*Euphamism for what he actually was: a mass murder. Agreed:

If the killer of the killer*, Tiller, acted as the consequence of a criminal conspiracy of any kind and by the members of any institution, then the Law must be free to pursue its course and to seek retribution, to see justice is done.

And what about the “church” of whose congregation the killer*, Tiller, was an apparently “respected” member?

By your rationalization, shouldn't the church burners be sent to see to its doors being locked one Sunday morning prior to their burning it to the ground?

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles Califotillercated 90028
And the Far Abroad

*Euphamism for what he actually was: a mass murder.

]]> By: Jess http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone/comment-page-1#comment-32057 Jess Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:15:11 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=45216#comment-32057 check that: I meant to say late nineteenth century. specifically between 1850 and 1890. check that: I meant to say late nineteenth century. specifically between 1850 and 1890.

]]> By: Mark http://washingtonindependent.com/45216/dont-assume-tillers-killer-acted-alone/comment-page-1#comment-32053 Mark Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:44:46 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=45216#comment-32053 I know it's a good soundbite, but abortion is not genocide. <br><br>If you don't like abortions, don't get one. But don't force your beliefs on others, and don't intervene in a choice that is between a woman and her physician. I know it's a good soundbite, but abortion is not genocide.

If you don't like abortions, don't get one. But don't force your beliefs on others, and don't intervene in a choice that is between a woman and her physician.

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