Mark Sanford Whacks Lindsey Graham Over Libertarianism

Here is an interview Reagan did with Reason Magazine in 1975 where he brings up libertarianism. After reading this, who would you group Reagan with – Paul or Graham?

http://www.reason.com/news/show/29318.html

REAGAN: If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.

[...] After Sen. Lindsey Graham got into a shouting match with some libertarians at the South Carolina GOP convention this weekend, here’s how Gov. Mark Sanford responded: [...]

Lindsey has “won” the biggest, most interventionist, authoritarian government in U.S. history.
The sad thing is that he considers that a victory!!

How long does it take Sanford to arrange his hair like that, what does he use to keep it in place, and who was the last person (to date) to see his real hairline?

Of course, Ron Paul's Anti-Defense views are entirely inconsistent with libertarian philosophy. It's a shame that Sen. Graham has come to a misunderstanding of what libertarianism is all about, simply because the Paulists have taken our label and used it for their own leftist on foreign policy ends.

Thankfull, Sanford is a libertarian all around: fiscal conservative, civil liberties and absolutely strong on defense.

Mark Sanford is a good guy…Lindsay Graham is what is wrong with the GOP…He needs to go…

We are seeing more and more how Ron Paul was right on the wars going on in the Middle East….

Too bad Sanford didn't put his beliefs ahead of his party last year. Sanford backed McCain – a neocon big government lover. I do not recall Sanford ever mentioning Ron Paul- the true Libertarian during the Republican primary.

Sanford should sit out the tea parties and start .telling the Republican party what they need to be doing- quit giving billions to banks, get out of iraq and Afghanistan, audit the Federal Reserve, follow the Constitution, and prosecute anyone who has illegally spied on Americans.

It is time to step up to the plate Sanford and swing at the ball ,

Of course Sanford would have nothing to do with Ron Paul. He completely disagrees with him on foreign policy. Sanford is a diehard Pro-Defenser/Pro-Military. Why would he want to associate himself with far Left foreign policy views of Ron Paul?

Eric Donderooooo, is your purpose in life to try to undermine anything positive Ron Paul does? I swear, you are eat up with bitterness and its going to get you in the end.

Eric dondo,

A defense policy is by definition “defense”.We have a Secretary of Defense – not a Secretary of War,
Attacking, invading , and occupying Muslim countries is the height of stupidity.

Sanford can get on that neocon bus – but it don't lead to the promised land. The War on Terror is a bad joke sold by the snake oil salesman at Fox news.

If the “Republicans” want to be the attack, invade, and occupy foreign lands party , they can kiss their ass goodbye.

Eric- i suggest you go volunteer in iraq and Afghanistan to fight the war on terror – and after a few years let us know all about your “defense policy ” ..

eric dondero is scum.

Ron Paul is far more principled than any politician, the only politician that stands for personal liberty.

Mark Sanford is pretty good, but has a way to go before he is truly “for the people”.

Linday Grahm is TERRIBLE

and

ericdondero is confused

Ron Paul stands for limited government, free markets and liberty – exactly what Ronald Reagan and Barry Goldwater stood for. Paul is more Republican than Graham will ever be.

[...] The Ron Paul quarters of the GOP are buzzing about Sen. Lindsey Graham

[...] The Ron Paul quarters of the GOP are buzzing about Sen. Lindsey Graham’s (R-S.C.) speech to this past weekend’s state party convention — a combative performance in which he took on conservative activists and Paul supporters. One heckler yelled out: “You’re a hypocrite!” Graham snapped back: “I’m a winner, pal!” When Paul supporters started to boo, Graham took them on: I am not a libertarian. If you are, you’re welcome to vote for me and build this party, but we’re not going to build this party around libertarian ideas. After the speech a volunteer from Paul’s Campaign for Liberty asked Gov. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.) about it, and he weighed in against Graham. There was almost a pejorative comment a moment ago. Sen. Graham spoke and said “I’m not a libertarian,” whatever, whatever, as if that’s an evil word. Liberty is the hallmark of the American experiment … People say, you know, “Mark, you’re kind of libertarian,” you know, and they say it as if it’s an evil word, like you’re a communist or something. I’m like: Throw me in that briar patch … I’ve been accused of being a libertarian and I wear it as a badge of honor. The Washingtom Independent [...]

On Sanford versus Sanford:

Please note that Sen. Graham's latest National Taxpayers Union 2008 score was 52% (a 'C') and when Mark Sanford was in the Congress he never scored below an 'A.' See http://www.ntu.org. He was right up there with Reps. Jeff Flake and Ron Paul, the most recognizable Congressional libertarians. Looking at the RLC's Liberty Index, Sanford's voting record on 20 economic and 20 social issues earned him a 'libertarian' label over his House career, whereas Graham's did not. Indeed, Graham said this week “I am not a libertarian.” He's right.

Sanford is strong on defense and opposed the undeclared war in Iraq. Graham, on the other hand, is poor on national defense, an enthusiast for national building and policing the world at expense of our national economy and security.

Plus, Sanford's been a Congressman and a governor. He has the ideology, the record and the experience. Is he presidential material?

Ron Paul vs. The Philosophically Bankrupt

After reading the name-calling and other non sequiturs from the anti-Ron Paul crowd, I am of the view that their hostility arises less from his opposition to war, or the direction American foreign policy has taken for decades, or any of the other specific programs he has criticized. What troubles them the most is that Paul has a philosophically-principled integrity in what he advocates and that, to challenge him, one must be prepared to deal with him at that higher level.

But modern political discourse long ago gave up on principles, in favor of the pursuit of power as a sufficient end. There is an intellectual bankruptcy exhibited by writers and speakers on the political “left,” “right,” or “middle.” Competing ideas and values that once engaged the minds of thoughtful men and women have given way to little more than pronouncements on behalf of narrowly-defined political programs; the validity of a proposition no longer depends upon reasoned analysis, but upon the outcome of public opinion polls.

Ron Paul’s campaign interjects an energized, principled inquiry into the political realm, an undertaking for which men and women with no philosophic center or rigorous minds find themselves woefully ill-prepared.

Ron Paul is my leader. Lindsay is a douche

Can any one of you here, please explain to me how it is we can have Liberty in our personal lives, with Taliban-style Islamic extremists trying to institute Sharia Law throughout Britain, Western Europe and now, even here in the United States?

Think I'm exagerrating?

Knoxville, Tennessee, last few weeks. Islamic Mosque led an effort to stop a Restaurant on the same street from serving Alcohol,.

You all are so concerned about stopping Big Government, which is great. But your silence on stopping Islamo-Fascism destroys all of y'all's credibility.

Yes, Lindsay Graham is not a libertarian, just a moderate leaning Conservative. But he's an Active Duty member of the United States Military, who last summer spend 3 months in Iraq, working alongside the Troops, against extremist Islamic radicals. I don't see a g-dammned one of you here, respecting Senator Graham for that, nor expressing gratitude to him for his Military Service.

Shame on you. Shame on each and every one of you.

And might I dare speculate that not a single one of you here, is a Military Veteran?

Eric Dondero,
United States Navy 1981-85

My old friend Phil Blumel sardonically notes that Graham's NTU score lifetime is a scant 'C'.

Hey, given Obama's march toward Socialism, I'll take a 'C'. 100 times better than the Democrats who are all solid 'F's. With maybe a few scattered “BlueDog” 'D's among them.

Perhaps my good friend Phil, and others here haven't taken notice, but we have failed MISERABLY in the libertarian movement at marketing and selling our ideals. We shun celebrity, which most Americans are obsessed with. And thus we get our asses handed to us each election cycle on a silver platter.

Senator Graham is doing what any respected Republican should do: TRYING TO HELP THE PARTY TO WIN ELECTIONS!!

If you all don't wish to participate in Republican victories, than join the Libertarian Party. There, you can be as “principled,” as you want.

Other Valerie,

I praised Ron Paul just weeks ago, for backing our Governor Rick Perry on Sovereignty.

Ron Paul on domestic issues is near 100% solid! (Though he sucks on the Death Penalty, his one and only domestic failing.)

But on foreign policy his views are absolutely horrendous! It's hard to imagine someone with more Anti-American foreign policy views than Paul. It's almost like he's actively supporting our enemies.

Everything that's against America, he's in favor of.

So, in the end Ron Paul ends up being a 50%-er. He's 50% for Liberty. 100% on domestic issues, 0% on foreign policy.

(Actually, his anti-death penalty stance probably pushes him into the below 50% mark.)

Eric, give me a break.

[...] Mark Sanford Just Throw the GOP Under the Bus “…There was almost a pejorative comment a moment ago. Sen. Graham spoke and said “I’m not a libertarian,” [...]

Mr. Rittberg nee Dondero (congrats on your marriage.)

You ought to move on, Ron Paul fired you and he has fired so very few people that you must be a complete failure.

He's pro-life, and being pro-life generally means (if you are to be consistent in your views) that you are against the death penalty and against unnecessary war. You are not a conservative-libertarian, you're a neoconservative libertarian. It is NOT anti-American to be against pre-emptive invasions. It is NOT anti-American to not want to police the world and have entangling alliances with so many. Are you completely unaware of the history of the United States?

You have serious problems, son. You ought to try to take care of your own issues before you criticize anyone else. He fired you for a damned good reason.

Ahhh, fearmongering ala Bush/Cheney. So creative.

You and people like you are one of the reasons for the failure of the libertarian party. Congrats.

Just because you may “win” an election doesn't mean anything at all. IF you are saying “Lets just get Republicans elected…” then great… that sounds great. But what will these republicans do then. Anything republican?? I doubt it. You need to look at the big picture. People are REJECTING all of us republicans because all the so called leaders of our party are FAKE. They are phony. They say one thing and do almost exactly the opposite. Democrat leaders are exactly like republicans, phony. But the people are yet to see that side of the coin. But its coming. And when it does neither republicans nor democrats will get the vote of the people. You sound as if you've already given up on your “principles”. In that case I don't want you to be a republican either. “Theres the exit sign.”

And he is right. That is where the country has gone wrong, in forgetting what our Constitution stand for, Liberty. My grandfather, the late Senator Goldwater would be very proud of Gov. Sanford.

Spare me, Eric. Rick Perry's no champion of state's rights. He's an eminent domain abuser for his pet project the Trans-Texas corridor. The only reason Perry put on that charade of standing up for Texas's 10th Amendment rights is because his sorry, central-government-loving butt sees the writing on the wall. He's just trying to get in front of the parade. As far as Ron Paul's foreign policy views go, I'll take his non-interventionist stance over Grahamnesty's “fight 'em over there,” nation-building views anyday. As a Christian I disagree with the death-penalty, as well.

I'm 100% pro-Paul and if I were going to change my opinion on Ron Paul, you sir, would not be the person I would consult on the matter.

-SOV

Actually Amy, you have it ass backwards. I fired Ron Paul, as in left his staff after 12 years of loyal work for him, over his opposition to the War in Iraq.

He “fired” me? Funny, can you explain then his calling me up on at least two occasions after I had left asking me to come back to work?

Get your facts straight before you start mouthing rumors with no basis in fact, spready by leftist enemies of America.

Boy Val, you're like Anti-Freedom all over the place. Let's review:

You're Anti-Choice on Abortion.

You're Pro-Criminal Rights over Victim's Rights, i.e. agains the Death Penalty.

And, worst of all, you're Pro-Islamo-Fascist.

My gosh. Doesn't get any worse than that.

Eric, during the MTP interview Paul said he fired you. From what did you supposedly fired Ron Paul? district 14? LOL You are one big JOKE.
According to previous comments by you on other sites, you had difference and arguments over the war issue, you met Paul in town once and he mentioned to you he does not want anyone pro-Iraq war on his staff, and upon hearing that you resigned. You said you were not fired. Well, the fact is, if you would not have resigned, Paul would have fired you the next day or so. He was simply being kind and nice, IMHO much too king. He should have not only fired but also kicked your ASS (like sen. Goldwater said about Falwell…actually Goldwater's original word could not be translated or repeated by the journalists, so they translated it as ass).

Thank you for your input CC, you would really know. Your grandfather is in a certain sense the father of both “conservatism” and “libertarianism”. Don't you think he would also have been proud of gov. Gary Johnson, NM? IMHO Johnson would be even closer to his positions than Sanford and as Gary veto Johnson has a very proud record, leading the state out of its red hole into the black and slashing state govt. and introducing more liberty. BTW: If Ron Paul does not run for 2012, he may consider running. (He is also single since a few years, after his wife passed away, and even better looking than Sanford:-).
http://www.youtube.com/user/garyjohnson2012

“you’re welcome to vote for me and build this party, but we’re not going to build this party around libertarian ideas”

Thank you Sen. Graham for pointing out the deeply entrenched attitude that clearly spells out why the GOP will never be “reformed” by those that have supported Ron Paul.

When the Libertarian Party asks for a contribution to help Sen. Graham have an election experience like Bob Barr had a few years ago, I will be more than happy to send in my contribution to support that effort.

Yeah, and that very same day in our local newspaper The Brazoria Facts, he praised me as a “very capable young man.”

Look, if you know anything about Ron Paul, you'd know he's quite a schizophrenic individual on politics. I don't mean for this to sound derogatory, and I'm sure I'll be quoted on this negatively, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

Ron Paul is a ditherer.

He vacilates back and forth on political decisions, and those decisions extend to the way he runs his office, deciding on political races, and even staffing decisions.

He yelled and screamed at me one day for supporting the War in Iraq, in the parking lot of the Victoria Federal Building. So much so, that passers-by looked upon us with concern, and one started to reach for her cell phone to call the cops. He literally put his finger in my chest and said, “I will have nobody working on my staff who supports the War in Iraq.”

For the next few weeks we didn't talk with each other, at all. I eventually resigned saying that I felt I could no longer work for a Congressman he didn't support the Military and Troops in Battle.

Then he calls me up not once but twice! to ask me to rescind the resignation.

Even after I left his staff, he continued to call me, allegedly to “bullshit about gardening,” (Ron and I shared a love for landscaping, specifically backyard tropical landscaping.) After talking banana trees for a few minutes, he'd gently turn the conversation back to me coming back on board. I held stedfast and refused him politely.

Of course, this would only make him more upset. Thus, his back and forth reactions in the media for years after, about me, his former staffer.

But of course, the Paleos only report the one side of the story.

Actually, I don't. You've been shown to be a mental midget and a liar and I had to do nothing but read what you write to realize that.

You say in one place that YOU got Ron Paul elected in 1996, then you say in another that Bush and Rove got him elected in 1996. Huh. Odd.

Why would you, with your mindless neocon foreign policy EVER work for Ron Paul when you knew that he is against most wars? Ohhh, you don't have a strong belief in the bullshit that you spread, I see. Just love being fed it by the neocons, then regurgitating it everywhere and throwing a tantrum that everybody else is a fake libertarian, and *you're* the genuine libertarian.

In reality, you're a talentless idiot that is one of the few people Ron Paul has ever fired, and as far as I'm concerned, he was too nice to you. Not to mention that you look like Elby's Big Boy with a porn stache, yet are very hung up on yourself. You can't write worth a damn, yet you continue to think that people are impressed and interested in what you write. You allege that you speak 15-20 different languages, yet you haven't mastered English. Quite frankly, I doubt you've even served in the military considering how much of a liar and a doughy, fearful little clown you are.

Go rent another prostitute and support the economy and quit vomiting your neocon BS while trying to pretend you're libertarian.

Bullshit.

Why are you so obsessed with Ron Paul that you continue to make up bizarre things about him? If any of what you say (aside from him being angry that you'd support the war in Iraq–the only thing that makes sense in your post) were true, I'm quite sure that you wouldn't be the only person saying it. I've seen the man when he's angry, and on those rare occasions, it's hardly so frightening that someone would want to call the police ON A 73 YEAR OLD MAN WHO'S ALL OF 5'8″ AND ABOUT 150LBS. You're really asking us to believe that Ron fucking Paul was on the verge of getting *physical* with you over this issue?

Wait! Don't you claim that he's 100% a pacifist? You vomitous liar.

Jesus you're an idiot if you think anyone buys your bullshit. Why the hell would he, one moment, practically get physical with you over an issue, then beg you to come back? Especially when you have no actual talent?

One of these days you're going to end up at the wrong end of a slander lawsuit. You're an unemployed hack who can't accept what a pile of stench your life has turned out to be and obsessively focus on Ron Paul as the cause of it because he fired you.

Eric Dondero is a neocon and a liar, he was fired by Ron Paul for both of those reasons and the fact that he's incompetent and lazy.

If you read what I wrote and ^^^that was your takeaway from it then you are deranged. Good day to you, Eric Dondero.

-SOV

Hey asshole, he wasn't “on the verge” of getting physical with me. HE GOT PHYSICAL!

He didn't “threaten” to poke his finger in my chest. HE POKED HIS FINGER IN MY CHEST. Repeatedly.

Tell you what. Ask him yourself. Here's his number – 202-225-2831. He knows what he did. I'm sure he remembers every detail of that confrontation. And if he's man enough, he'll admit it.

Now, frankly I don't give a flying fuck. I'm not a Girlie Man, and as a US Navy Veteran, I've had more than a few guys poke me in the chest over the years. I usually responded by slugging them in the mouth. But I wasn't about to do that to a United States Congressman, particularly in front of the Federal Building in downtown Victoria.

So, I kept my cool. And just turned and walked away.

Yeah, I'm a “NeoCon” alright. I'm a NeoCon who supports ending the income tax, repealing seat belt laws, eliminating smoking bans, privatizing social security, legalizing marijuana, lowering the drinking age to 18, privatization, deregulation, and getting the government completely out of health care.

I guess you could call me a “limited government NeoCon.”

That's more appropriate, you're certainly not a libertarian if you keep mindlessly justifying pre-emptive war against brown people who scare your panties off just by their existence.

Do us all a favor and NEVER wear your seat belt.

You are asinine and a liar, you're a pansy-ass wannabe tough-guy who is crying online about a story you made up about a 73 year old man poking you in your man-boobs.

You kept your cool? How long has it been since Paul canned you? And you're still obsessed with him like he's a pretty girl who shunned you. You're a nut case.

So who was it that got Paul elected in '96? You or Bush/Rove? Can you keep your lies straight yet?

Here's just a little email Eric Dondero Rittberg wrote (he only uses the “Rittberg” last name when he thinks it will be beneficial to his neocon agenda):

” Original Message ——–
Subject: [JewishLibertarians] Libertarians for Lieberman
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:39:13 -0000
From: Eric Dondero Rittberg <ericdondero@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: JewishLibertarians@yahoogroups.com
To: JewishLibertarians@yahoogroups.com

Anyone else interested in assisting with Joe Lieberman's campaign for US Senate as an Independent?

Any chance of the Libertarian Party of CT endorsing his effort?

I support Joe, because he is a fierce opponent of Islamo-Fascism. He's one of the ONLY decent Democrats in the Nation.

Call me on my cell at 979-799-7077 if you're interested in helping out with Libertarians for Lieberman.

Eric Dondero Rittberg (the Rittberg half is Jewish).”

In what way is Joe Lieberman a libertarian or even open to the libertarian philosophy? Apparently, your constant insistence that you're for liberty (at least domestically) is so incredibly weak that you'll throw it in the dumpster to jump at the chance for a weaselly politician who wants to kill the scary brown people. Liberty be damned! We gots us some Muslims that want killin'! Yeehaw! Who care if we lose our civil liberties and our economy goes down the tank in the process! So long as we're killin' we're good!

Just get it over with, move to Israel and hang out with Avigdor Lieberman and the other extremists inspired by Rabbi Kahane. Hell, join the JDL and become a terrorist

When I was up there in Connecticut petitioning I ran into numerous Libertarian Party members who supported Lieberman.

Remember, at the time Lieberman was being savaged by his Far Left opponent Ned Lamonte in television ads, that said: “Joe supports ending Affirmative Action… Joe opposes the Teachers Unions, and is on record in support of a Voucher program… Joe voted for the Bush Tax Cuts.”

Remember also, William F. Buckley originally recruited Lieberman to run against Liberal Republican Lowell Weicker, cause Lieberman was “more Conservative.”

Pretty ironic that you would rant against being scared of Radical Islamists on the very morning that 4 Muslim Terrorists were arrested in NYC for wanting to blow up a Jewish Synagogue, and an Air Force Guard Base.

You sure you don't wish to maybe reconsider your comment, in light of the news this morning?

Nope. This is called “blowback,” perhaps you've heard of this from your former boss, it was even in the 9/11 Commission Report. It actually bolsters my position a lot more than yours, you're just too dense to realize that.

It is the direct result of people who espouse and enact the policies you hold so dear. Or didn't you actually read up on these terrorists and their arrests?

You keep yapping on about “homeland defense,” when you actually mean homeland *offense.* You see, if someone invaded my country, drove me out of my home and killed my relatives–guess what I'd be doing? Going after those who did it, and in the mind of many Muslims, Israel/Jews run this country and our military boys mindlessly follow and champion whatever cause is best for Israel (that may or may not include you, considering that you probably lie about your military service.) What's unfortunate is that if terrorists like these guys are successful, then it's quite likely that some innocent American Jews will get hurt due to Israeli/Neocon actions. More and more American, European and Middle Eastern Jews are realizing that. You're obviously not as smart as them.

It happened to be Iraq that Israel and the neocons wanted us to fight at the time, now Bibi is throwing tantrums trying to get us to invade Iran. And if so many people weren't aware of what's going on now, we may have gotten suckered in.

I have no problem with Israel, except for a few things:

1. Apartheid against the Palestinians.
2. Being our alleged ally, then spying on us and tacitly supporting the JDL's past terrorism in this country.
3. They need to put on their big-boy pants and fight their own wars and take care of their own financial well-being instead of manipulating the US into going to war.

The US has enough problems without the albatross of Israel. Was it not Jefferson himself who said something about “entangling alliances with none?”

Now you need to go change your panties and go read some books on ethics, on the foundation of this country and about individualism vs. collectivism.

P.S. “Jewish” synagogue is redundant. As a Jew you really should know that. As an alleged writer, you should also know that capitalizing radical and synagogue is grammatically incorrect. What's your degree in?

You have no principles except your passion for killing Arabs and Muslims and a complete disregard for our military men who've been killed and wounded for lies told by assholes of your ilk.

How is it that you're so stupid that you think that killing people will solve a problem, when in reality, it causes more? Get off your fat ass and go invade Iran if you're so gung ho, I'm sure Persian is one of those 20 or so languages you speak, you'll be just fine.

That's more appropriate, you're certainly not a libertarian if you keep mindlessly justifying pre-emptive war against brown people who scare your panties off just by their existence.

Do us all a favor and NEVER wear your seat belt.

You are asinine and a liar, you're a pansy-ass wannabe tough-guy who is crying online about a story you made up about a 73 year old man poking you in your man-boobs.

You kept your cool? How long has it been since Paul canned you? And you're still obsessed with him like he's a pretty girl who shunned you. You're a nut case.

So who was it that got Paul elected in '96? You or Bush/Rove? Can you keep your lies straight yet?

Here's just a little email Eric Dondero Rittberg wrote (he only uses the “Rittberg” last name when he thinks it will be beneficial to his neocon agenda):

” Original Message ——–
Subject: [JewishLibertarians] Libertarians for Lieberman
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:39:13 -0000
From: Eric Dondero Rittberg <ericdondero@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: JewishLibertarians@yahoogroups.com
To: JewishLibertarians@yahoogroups.com

Anyone else interested in assisting with Joe Lieberman's campaign for US Senate as an Independent?

Any chance of the Libertarian Party of CT endorsing his effort?

I support Joe, because he is a fierce opponent of Islamo-Fascism. He's one of the ONLY decent Democrats in the Nation.

Call me on my cell at 979-799-7077 if you're interested in helping out with Libertarians for Lieberman.

Eric Dondero Rittberg (the Rittberg half is Jewish).”

In what way is Joe Lieberman a libertarian or even open to the libertarian philosophy? Apparently, your constant insistence that you're for liberty (at least domestically) is so incredibly weak that you'll throw it in the dumpster to jump at the chance for a weaselly politician who wants to kill the scary brown people. Liberty be damned! We gots us some Muslims that want killin'! Yeehaw! Who care if we lose our civil liberties and our economy goes down the tank in the process! So long as we're killin' we're good!

Just get it over with, move to Israel and hang out with Avigdor Lieberman and the other extremists inspired by Rabbi Kahane. Hell, join the JDL and become a terrorist

When I was up there in Connecticut petitioning I ran into numerous Libertarian Party members who supported Lieberman.

Remember, at the time Lieberman was being savaged by his Far Left opponent Ned Lamonte in television ads, that said: “Joe supports ending Affirmative Action… Joe opposes the Teachers Unions, and is on record in support of a Voucher program… Joe voted for the Bush Tax Cuts.”

Remember also, William F. Buckley originally recruited Lieberman to run against Liberal Republican Lowell Weicker, cause Lieberman was “more Conservative.”

Pretty ironic that you would rant against being scared of Radical Islamists on the very morning that 4 Muslim Terrorists were arrested in NYC for wanting to blow up a Jewish Synagogue, and an Air Force Guard Base.

You sure you don't wish to maybe reconsider your comment, in light of the news this morning?

Nope. This is called “blowback,” perhaps you've heard of this from your former boss, it was even in the 9/11 Commission Report. It actually bolsters my position a lot more than yours, you're just too dense to realize that.

It is the direct result of people who espouse and enact the policies you hold so dear. Or didn't you actually read up on these terrorists and their arrests?

You keep yapping on about “homeland defense,” when you actually mean homeland *offense.* You see, if someone invaded my country, drove me out of my home and killed my relatives–guess what I'd be doing? Going after those who did it, and in the mind of many Muslims, Israel/Jews run this country and our military boys mindlessly follow and champion whatever cause is best for Israel (that may or may not include you, considering that you probably lie about your military service.) What's unfortunate is that if terrorists like these guys are successful, then it's quite likely that some innocent American Jews will get hurt due to Israeli/Neocon actions. More and more American, European and Middle Eastern Jews are realizing that. You're obviously not as smart as them.

It happened to be Iraq that Israel and the neocons wanted us to fight at the time, now Bibi is throwing tantrums trying to get us to invade Iran. And if so many people weren't aware of what's going on now, we may have gotten suckered in.

I have no problem with Israel, except for a few things:

1. Apartheid against the Palestinians.
2. Being our alleged ally, then spying on us and tacitly supporting the JDL's past terrorism in this country.
3. They need to put on their big-boy pants and fight their own wars and take care of their own financial well-being instead of manipulating the US into going to war.

The US has enough problems without the albatross of Israel. Was it not Jefferson himself who said something about “entangling alliances with none?”

Now you need to go change your panties and go read some books on ethics, on the foundation of this country and about individualism vs. collectivism.

P.S. “Jewish” synagogue is redundant. As a Jew you really should know that. As an alleged writer, you should also know that capitalizing radical and synagogue is grammatically incorrect. What's your degree in?

You have no principles except your passion for killing Arabs and Muslims and a complete disregard for our military men who've been killed and wounded for lies told by assholes of your ilk.

How is it that you're so stupid that you think that killing people will solve a problem, when in reality, it causes more? Get off your fat ass and go invade Iran if you're so gung ho, I'm sure Persian is one of those 20 or so languages you speak, you'll be just fine.

The fact is, if Lindsey Graham is not a Libertarian, He's not a conservative either. While it's true Barry Goldwater lost big in 1964, he built the foundation for another great Libertarian, Ronald Reagan, to win big later. Graham said “we’re not going to build this party around libertarian ideas”. Well, if that's true, he better get used to losing. Libertarianism is a big tent and includes everything from religious fanatics to Atheist and anything in between. They can all be different and have very diverse opinions on many things and some may very well speak their minds at times, yet they live together peacefully in that big tent because of their mutual respect for and love of Liberty. In their harts, each of them know if it's possible to take away liberty from the other guy, it can and will also be taken from themselves.

This bazaar system has worked for us well the past 230+ Years. It's kept us united and has allowed the kind of freedom that has produced people who just want live in the mountains and be left alone and other nuts that were stupid enough to think they could build a million cars, and actually does it. There is a real genius to this system. Barry Goldwater knew it. Ronald Reagan knew it. Ron Paul knows it. Lindsey Graham does not, and Lindsey Graham is no Ronald Reagan even though he brings up his name often.

If I could simplify this, Lindsey Graham would be the mind set of the guy who is president of the Homeowners Association. That guy loves his job and pretty well knows every detail about how we should run our lives down to where the trash can should be placed.

Libertarians are the rest of us who still have that independent American spirit. We're a lot more likely to say “It ain't none of my business” and when things go wrong for someone else think “There but for the grace of God am I”. Those may not sound like deep and profound statements, but in fact they are. In a way, they define us as a culture. The fact is, Americans as a people have never been a bunch of busy bodies and Lord help us if that ever changes.

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