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	<title>Comments on: Coal, Electric Industries Big Winners in Climate Bill Deal</title>
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		<title>By: Senate Panel to Move on Climate Bill &#124; GSA Schedule Services</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal/comment-page-1#comment-88706</link>
		<dc:creator>Senate Panel to Move on Climate Bill &#124; GSA Schedule Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 01:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] announcement is good news for environmentalists, who watched House lawmakers pass a comprehensive (if watered down) climate change bill over the summer, only to see the Senate dragging its feet even to unveil a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] announcement is good news for environmentalists, who watched House lawmakers pass a comprehensive (if watered down) climate change bill over the summer, only to see the Senate dragging its feet even to unveil a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Streetsblog Capitol Hill &#187; The &#8216;Elitism&#8217; Trap Migrates From Transport Reform to Climate Change</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal/comment-page-1#comment-83094</link>
		<dc:creator>Streetsblog Capitol Hill &#187; The &#8216;Elitism&#8217; Trap Migrates From Transport Reform to Climate Change</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 20:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] bill coauthors: Reps. Henry Waxman of California and Ed Markey of Massachusetts. (Photo: Wash Indy)Now that the issue of climate change has come to the fore again in Washington, however, the E-word [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] bill coauthors: Reps. Henry Waxman of California and Ed Markey of Massachusetts. (Photo: Wash Indy)Now that the issue of climate change has come to the fore again in Washington, however, the E-word [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Twitter Trackbacks for The Washington Independent » Coal, Electric Industries Big Winners in Climate Bill Deal [washingtonindependent.com] on Topsy.com</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Washington Independent » Coal, Electric Industries Big Winners in Climate Bill Deal  washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal &#8211; view page &#8211; cached  #The Washington Independent RSS Feed The Washington Independent » Coal, Electric Industries Big Winners in Climate Bill Deal Comments Feed The Washington Independent Biden Time Steele Whacks Obama on ‘Empathy’ KSM Was Asked About ‘Ties to the Iraqi Regime’ &#8212; From the page [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Washington Independent » Coal, Electric Industries Big Winners in Climate Bill Deal  washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal &ndash; view page &ndash; cached  #The Washington Independent RSS Feed The Washington Independent » Coal, Electric Industries Big Winners in Climate Bill Deal Comments Feed The Washington Independent Biden Time Steele Whacks Obama on ‘Empathy’ KSM Was Asked About ‘Ties to the Iraqi Regime’ &mdash; From the page [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Funding our Future</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal/comment-page-1#comment-38545</link>
		<dc:creator>Funding our Future</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] committee, (wonky) newspaper headlines repeatedly read variations of: &#8220;Waxman Compromises on Climate Bill&#8220;. Now, I&#8217;m usually all for compromises, except that there are two fundamental [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] committee, (wonky) newspaper headlines repeatedly read variations of: &#8220;Waxman Compromises on Climate Bill&#8220;. Now, I&#8217;m usually all for compromises, except that there are two fundamental [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carbon Tax Center &#187; Wax-A-Mole: Moles Lead 85 to 15</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal/comment-page-1#comment-32063</link>
		<dc:creator>Carbon Tax Center &#187; Wax-A-Mole: Moles Lead 85 to 15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] lion’s share (35%) of allowances would go to utilities (effectively, to coal), with other slices for natural gas companies, oil refiners, “energy-intensive” industries and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] lion’s share (35%) of allowances would go to utilities (effectively, to coal), with other slices for natural gas companies, oil refiners, “energy-intensive” industries and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will Congress Pass a Much-Needed Environmental Bill? The Future Is Looking Dicey - Go Green - SustainLane</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal/comment-page-1#comment-31805</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Congress Pass a Much-Needed Environmental Bill? The Future Is Looking Dicey - Go Green - SustainLane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 09:33:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] weakened to accommodate some of our most polluting industries -- coal, electric, and auto -- as the Washington Independent reports:For the coal and electric utility industries, for example, the compromise bill requires [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] weakened to accommodate some of our most polluting industries &#8212; coal, electric, and auto &#8212; as the Washington Independent reports:For the coal and electric utility industries, for example, the compromise bill requires [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Waxman Markey &#8211; Greenwashing Corporate Welfare &#171; Emerging Consensus</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal/comment-page-1#comment-31487</link>
		<dc:creator>Waxman Markey &#8211; Greenwashing Corporate Welfare &#171; Emerging Consensus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 16:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an article entitled &#8220;Coal, Electric Industries Big Winners in Climate Bill Deal&#8221; , the Washington Independent points out that organizations who signed on to support Waxman Markey [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Analiese’s Reading 5/22 &#124; Quiche Moraine</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal/comment-page-1#comment-31384</link>
		<dc:creator>Analiese’s Reading 5/22 &#124; Quiche Moraine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Michael Tobis</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal/comment-page-1#comment-34306</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Tobis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anthropogenic greenhouse warming is not properly a hypothesis, it is an estimated sensitivity. We know that greenhouse gases warm planets. The question is how much *these* greenhouse gases will warm *this* planet. That&#039;s a matter of estimation, not of theory. You need to be more specific about the hypothesis before one can be specific about the falsification. This is usually stated as a sensitivty to doubling. The conventional wisdom is near or a little shy of 3 degrees C per doubling of CO2. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So you could talk about evidence refuting a hypothesis that the true sensitivity exceeds 2 C, for instance. Because it is early in the warming process, it would take many years for statistically compelling evidence to emerge if it were true. See:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2008/05/falsifiability-question.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2008/05/fals...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In particular, the ten year record starting in 1998 is simply cherry picked. A fair look at the data rather than one based in wishful thinking shows that the &quot;cooling phase&quot; is simply an artifact. The world warmed from 1997-2007 in exactly the sense that it &quot;cooled&quot; from 1998-2008; this shows that ten year intervals are not a good way to look at the data. See:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2009/03/and-whats-wrong-with-this-picture.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2009/03/and-...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anthropogenic greenhouse warming is not properly a hypothesis, it is an estimated sensitivity. We know that greenhouse gases warm planets. The question is how much *these* greenhouse gases will warm *this* planet. That&#39;s a matter of estimation, not of theory. You need to be more specific about the hypothesis before one can be specific about the falsification. This is usually stated as a sensitivty to doubling. The conventional wisdom is near or a little shy of 3 degrees C per doubling of CO2. </p>
<p>So you could talk about evidence refuting a hypothesis that the true sensitivity exceeds 2 C, for instance. Because it is early in the warming process, it would take many years for statistically compelling evidence to emerge if it were true. See:</p>
<p><a href="http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2008/05/falsifiability-question.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2008/05/fals.." rel="nofollow">http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2008/05/fals..</a>.</p>
<p>In particular, the ten year record starting in 1998 is simply cherry picked. A fair look at the data rather than one based in wishful thinking shows that the &#8220;cooling phase&#8221; is simply an artifact. The world warmed from 1997-2007 in exactly the sense that it &#8220;cooled&#8221; from 1998-2008; this shows that ten year intervals are not a good way to look at the data. See:</p>
<p><a href="http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2009/03/and-whats-wrong-with-this-picture.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2009/03/and-.." rel="nofollow">http://initforthegold.blogspot.com/2009/03/and-..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Streetsblog &#187; Waxman&#8217;s Climate Bill Includes ‘Complete Streets’ But Not CLEAN TEA</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/43264/coal-electric-industries-big-winners-in-climate-bill-deal/comment-page-1#comment-30921</link>
		<dc:creator>Streetsblog &#187; Waxman&#8217;s Climate Bill Includes ‘Complete Streets’ But Not CLEAN TEA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] struck a deal on his long-awaited climate change bill -- and though the agreement makes a number of concessions to polluters, it also takes a step forward towards popularizing the cause of &quot;complete [...]</description>
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