Senate Approves Coburn Gun Amendment…in Credit Card Bill

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Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 6:44 pm

The Senate on Tuesday night easily passed an amendment to credit card reform legislation that would allow concealed weapons in national parks. The vote was 67 to 29.

The question now is this: Will a controversial gun proposal attached to popular underlying legislation be the poison pill that sinks that larger bill? That’s been the case with legislation allowing the District of Columbia a voting representative in Congress, to which the Senate attached language scrapping many of Washington’s strict gun control laws. As a result of that gun amendment, the DC-vote bill remains stalled in the House months after it passed the upper chamber.

Now, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), the chief sponsor of the credit card reform bill, is wondering whether the same might be the fate of his credit card proposal. “My concern is about what the underlying bill — what happens to it,” Dodd said on the chamber floor just before the vote. “I hate to see us lose this opportunity to make a difference with credit card reform.”

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), who sponsored the concealed weapons bill, said he supports many of Dodd’s credit card provisions, and didn’t have in mind to offer his amendment just for the purpose of killing the larger bill. “I don’t want to see it fail on this,” Coburn said. “But nor do I want to see the Second Amendment trampled on.”

So much for an easy, clean, must-pass credit card reform bill.

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sheff stevens
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

What the hell does a gun amendment have to do with credit card reform. Am I missing something. And why did all those Democrats vote for this insane amendment. Please, please tell the reason for this amendment.

You know how many nuts and zealots will be patrolling Yellowstone with their concealed weapons.


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Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

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Christopher J Hoffman
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

How exactly is it that concealed weapon permit holders, who are statistically the most law abiding, safe group of individuals found anywhere on the planet, and who are trusted with concealed weapons in congested urban areas, are somehow magically transformed into bloodthirsty vigilantes when they enter a national park?


gjdagis
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

Well WE have to put up with anti gun nuts wandering the streets of our home towns, don't we ?


Carl in Chicago
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 5:32 pm

Uh … this is an amendment to a larger bill. The amendment could have been voted down if it wasn't wanted, without affecting the larger bill.

But it was wanted. As many Democrats voted for it as against it.

This is very good news. Mike, how the heck can you reasonably refer to the restoration of inalienable rights as a “poison pill?” And why would Dodd lose any opportunities? Pass a good credit card reform bill AND restore a fundamental freedom to Americans.


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Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

Well, I hope it passes – WITH the amendment. There is no reason for the banks to be raising people's interest rates if people are doing nothing wrong…………and there is no reason for me to have to surrender my self defense rights when I enter a National Park. What is so special about a National Park that our government can mandate that visitors be totally helpless there?


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ETSpoon
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 9:12 am

Will the “second” American Revolution start in a national park?

Will the second “shot heard round the world” be fired by a cranked-up Okie?


191919
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

See this is the kind of double dealing bullshit in Washington that needs to fucking stop! Stupid bullshit. Politicians and their fucking games don't give 2 squirts of piss about your bills or your “inalienable right” to be a big pussy and be afraid to leave your house without a gun.


TEEBONE
Comment posted May 14, 2009 @ 9:53 am

Balderdash.

The amending of unrelated provisions is a long-held parliamentary trick, most often used by the Democrats , and ruthlessly so.

That it is now used as a parliamentary chip is unremarkable, except, obviously, to YOU. And, we wouldn't be sane to presume that you have an agenda, now would we?

Hmnph.


TEEBONE
Comment posted May 14, 2009 @ 10:06 am

Carl in Chicago -

Yes. That.

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TEEBONE
Comment posted May 14, 2009 @ 10:08 am

Sheff -

Your fear and bias is not my guaranteed liberty's concern.

Have a nice day! :-)

TEEBONE


David Andrew
Comment posted May 15, 2009 @ 9:45 am

I'm generally a supporter of 2nd amendment rights, which I see as an important part of the “Right to Self Defense” but… What does this Firearms amendment have to do with Credit Card Consumer protection legislation? NOTHING! I wish that these kinds of unrelated amendments were not even possible!

I would say that offering protection for credit card consumers is GOOD! Most of what is being proposed is very much needed and long overdue. But this concealed weapon in National Parks amendment shouldn't have even been proposed, much less supported as an amendment to credit card holders’ Bill of Rights legislation.


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AC
Comment posted May 16, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

I'm sorry, but can someone please explain to me HOW attaching such a completely unrelated proposal is even allowed? How is it that Senator Slick has not been admonished for such a low, manipulative move? And why isn't the entire gun attachment completely dismissed on the basis that it has absolutely nothing to do with the credit card legislation being proposed? To me, this is NOT about being pro or anti gun, it's about attaching a completely unrelated proposal as an effort to manipulate it into passing- without being given a real vote. That people digress into the debate of gun control and seem to largely ignore the fact that making such an attachment is reprehensible, is even more troubling.


marday
Comment posted May 19, 2009 @ 10:37 am

As long as the liberal judges keep letting the criminals go free, honest people need their constitutional right to carry firearms to protect their selves, familys, and property. The credit card provisions and the concealed weapons bill are both good things. No harm in their being together. If it were not for the liberals who want criminals to be the only ones having guns, they would not have to resort to this to get a good bill up for a vote. Good for him.


Mike
Comment posted May 19, 2009 @ 10:44 am

“I'm sorry, but can someone please explain to me HOW attaching such a completely unrelated proposal is even allowed”

Same reason there's a ton of health care crap hidden away in the Big stimulus bill. Hiding things in bills for something else is how Congress rolls.


MaryAnn
Comment posted May 19, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

Shame on the senate, yielding to the gun lobby once again at the expense of honest Americans looking for a break.


Greg
Comment posted May 19, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

Tom Coburn is part of the problem. Let him know what you think of his selfish, socially irresponsible behavior.
http://coburn.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseA…


William
Comment posted May 19, 2009 @ 7:02 pm

This is how Washington operates, Often we get things crammed down our throats as amendments to bills deemed necessary, so they will not be voted down. The Democrats are usually the perpetrators, but in this case I think I like it.


dobey
Comment posted May 20, 2009 @ 11:49 am

I don't want them sneakin anything in on anything.Fight in the light of day!I don't want the second A trampled on either,fight like a man or don't fight at all.


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Comment posted May 20, 2009 @ 11:51 am

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Marc
Comment posted May 20, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

I thought the Federal government was supposed to defend contracts, not trample them.


Robert Callahan
Comment posted May 20, 2009 @ 6:25 pm

Great! Now if we can force pass something to demand that permits to carry be issued unless there is reason not to.


Robert Callahan
Comment posted May 20, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

Just more proof that many people do not even read what they are voting on. How can anyone even sleep at night without a gun with idiots like this running the country. The anti gun state of California will seek an exemption or find a way around this.


Matthew
Comment posted May 20, 2009 @ 10:15 pm

I found this article to be very opinionated. “So much for an easy, clean, must-pass credit card…” You can just taste the disgust in the authors words.

Anyway, the amendment had to pass the voting process (meaning a majority of the voting members agreed with it. Besides, even if that was not the case, you have to make compromises sometimes. Keep this legislation in mind the next time someone is gunned down at a national park. Maybe we'll see a post then in 5…. 10…. 20 years.


Matthew
Comment posted May 20, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

Also — before it was legal to bring guns into National Parks, do you suppose the law deterred any criminals from doing so? Remember: they are criminals.

imaginary scenario:
“lets jump him while hes walking around yellowstone, and shoot his ***. Sounds good! oh, but wait…. Remember, you can't have guns in National Parks!”

now its more like:
“now that its legal to carry guns in National Parks, we can finally kill that SOB! oh wait… now that its legal, do you suppose anybody else there might have a gun? better not find out!”


Fred Kupre
Comment posted May 22, 2009 @ 9:09 am

Pass the credit card bill with the conceled carry proposal added, the bill is too important. Honestly no one cares whether you take your paperweight into a national park or not, they just don't want you to be able to feed it. The second ammendment will go down in flames as ammo becomes permanently unavailable by extreme over-regulation and taxes. The political upperclass will be able to afford the ammo, but not the majority of Americans.


jay
Comment posted May 22, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

As an Oklahoman I am so ashamed that Tom Coburn represents my state. In reality he just works for the NRA.


jay
Comment posted May 23, 2009 @ 3:50 am

As an Oklahoman I am so ashamed that Tom Coburn represents my state. In reality he just works for the NRA.


OkieKevin
Comment posted July 9, 2009 @ 2:04 am

If your not a fan of the second amendment that's fine, don't own arms.
However, you cannot dismiss the validity of the stand Dr. Coburn has made.


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