Swine Flu Rhetoric Part of Broader Anti-Immigration Strategy

I was wondering when I would be reading a story with this angle. Its funny to me how rational and thought out Mr. Osterholm's comments are. He has facts to support his views. WOW. Persuasive Speech 101, huh? Mr. Beck and Mr. Savage's comment seems void of facts or concrete evidence to back up their claims. Kinda like they are talking out of their asses, you know what I mean? I guess we should close the New York state boarders too, to prevent the flu from traveling into Pennsylvania. I'll have to get Gov. Rendell on the phone right away.

Or we could treat the H1N1 virus with two widely available antiviral medications in every pharmacy across the nation.

“CDC recommends the use of oseltamivir or zanamivir for the treatment and/or prevention of infection with these swine influenza viruses.”
–from http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/swineflu_you.htm

This fear is hype. The motives are yet to be see, but are revealing themselves slowly. It is sad how opportunists will try and use a pandemic to scare people into believing them. I am in no way implying that they spread or developed the virus, they simply saw an opportunity to use the fear of sickness and dying to control people. Fear mongering is the real pandemic.

I dont believe illegal aliens are the main host for swine flu,but illegal immigration is a problem.Im all for anyone of any race,color,religion,or anything else to come to this great country,but they have to do it legally.Letting anyone in all the time will result in terrorism,and loss of American jobs.Congress says they take jobs Americans do not want,but I see that is wrong.Minimum wage laws work opposite of their main goal.High unemployment amoung teens is a result of minimum wage increase.It does not let teens enter the workforce.If the starting wage is $8.00 an hour who would you hire,a kid with no experiance,or a 30 year old already primed.Kids should enter the workforce and have plenty of low wage jobs to pick from.From there they either go to college,work their way up,or gain experience to get another job.By leaving higher paying jobs for peoples with more experience all wages rise.If thiere were no wage laws minimum wage would naturally be higher due to companies competing for better workers.All wages would be pushed higher because of natural compitition.Wal Mart would be paying $7 an hour on average,wouldnt that make them sick.All social programs work like this.The people thatb are supposed to recieve help get hit the hardest.Economics 101

Glen Beck said Obama was doing a fantastic job .In seen it live.Biden,and Pelosi are the culprits.

The Swine flu that is in New York, did not come from undocumented immigrants, it came with Kids from a High School that returned from a summer break in Mexico.
Stop the Foolish Blame the Undocumented Mexican game.

The Immigration Policy Center (IPC) has released a wide-ranging review of academic and government data that shows what legalizing undocumented immigrants would mean for the U.S. economy today. Legalizing undocumented workers would improve wages and working conditions for all workers, and increase tax revenues for cash-strapped federal, state, and local governments. (April 13, 2009)

Washington, D.C. – The dollars and cents of immigration reform make a lot of sense for the beleaguered U.S. economy. The net economic gain would be $66 billion in new state and federal revenue, according to a new report.

The review, from the nonpartisan Immigration Policy Center, notes that Florida is one of the states with the most to gain if undocumented workers were provided a pathway to legal status. About 500,000 immigrant workers would be affected.

Economist David Kallick with the Fiscal Policy Institute contributed to the study. Right now, he explains, those billions of dollars are lining the pockets of employers – who hire folks in the underground economy and avoid contributing to payroll and other taxes.

“The cost of the underground economy to taxpayers is pretty substantial. The idea is, bringing undocumented immigrants into the 'above-ground' economy and making sure that they pay taxes just like everyone else.”

Critics of reform accuse undocumented workers of “stealing” American jobs; some want to deport everyone who is in the U.S. illegally. Kallick argues that immigrants do not steal good-paying jobs, and more legal workers in the labor pool will help grow the entire economy.

That's also the view of Esther Lopez, director of civil rights and community action for the United Food and Commercial Workers Union International. She says labor groups see that legalization is good for all workers, and she considers it an important step in rebuilding the middle class.

“We need an immigration system that is part of our national economic recovery program. We need immigration reform that punishes employers who 'game' the system to drive down wages and working conditions.”

Every year over 1 million legal immigrants will endure rigorous hurdles that include medical examinations to detect diseases as well as background checks to detect a criminal background or possible ties to terrorists.

However every year an additional 1.4 million illegal aliens will jump a fence into America in order to avoid our immigration checks. These invaders are not being checked for diseases. They are unknowns, possibly bringing with them undetected diseases and/or criminal backgrounds.

Today over 3800 illegal's will sneak into our country. Tomorrow, same thing, and the next day and the next…

Another topic.Did you guys see that lame-ass press conference.That was like my wife asking me 13 questions,I already knew,so we could win a prize.The media and journalists should be waterboarded.How can we get to the real issues so we know what is going on.I have stocks and investments like everyone else,and have no clue what will come next.The entire Media should be firered.They are so bias it makes me sick.Nothing on that 320 thousand dollar tax payer waste-Nothing on the fact that Obama Budget will even come remotely close-and the list goes on and on.I did not vote for Bush but the Media hammererd him every chance they got.We are flirting with a servere situation here.

Illegals make no contribution and milk the system. They don't pay into the tax system, steal jobs for tax paying citizens, and bring the filth that accompanies them when they come into this country illegally. This flu should be called the Mexican flu, since it came from Mexico. Why the borders aren't closed is beyond me.

Interesting to me that NO ONE HAS CARRIED THE NEWS THAT SWINE FLU STARTED IN THE US.

Reform Immigration–Swich to Fair Tax–Make a law for no Bailouts ever–Let banks give back TARP money–Let investors take care of green tech–return tax payer money–Let GM go–Let free market take care of health care so prices come down–Get government out of all markets as soon as possible so the next boom can start and we can let capitialism pull the poor up out of poverty.

And kick all H-1B visa holders working at TARP RECIEVING GARBAGE corps to the CURB as well !

Id worry if we had universal health care now.

Daphne Eviatar's brand of journalism would make Dr. Joseph Goebbels proud.

She says “when it comes to immigration, the facts don't seem to matter.” Then she paints everyone in the immigration restriction movement with the same brush. Is everyone who supports enforcement of our immigration laws blaming illegal aliens for the swine flu outbreak? Of course not, but that doesn't matter to one of George Soros' highly paid propagandists who care nothing for accuracy in their coverage of this issue. (This is how Soros, a Hungarian immigrant, thanks the country that made it possible for him to make his fortune.)

Equally disgusting is her description of yesterday's Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on immigration reform. Notice that she blows off the fact that all but one of the witnesses support amnesty for illegal aliens. She calls what came out of the meeting a “consensus,” but I call it a stacked deck in favor of corporate greed and political depravity at a time when 7 million illegals are allowed to continue working while 13 million Americans are looking for full-time jobs.

Shame on Daphne Eviatar and her ilk who care nothing for the rule of law or the sovereignty of the American people.

Dave Gorak
Executive director
Midwest Coalition to Reduce Immigration
LaValle, WI

News flash: “Smearing Those Rightly Concerned About Disease Spreading Through Illegal Immigration Part of Broader Soros/Democratic Party Strategy To Support Illegal Activity In Order To Get New Voters”.

As for the hearing, everyone who testified was on the amnesty side, and Greenspan supported profiting from illegal activity.

Regarding the last bit, Daphne Eviatar is simply repurposing what she wrote before; she didn't go back and ask her “expert” these:
1. Does the UM have a financial stake in this matter in some way, such as funding from pharma companies? He seems awfully interested in the matter.
2. Could we buy ventilators from other countries?
3. How many trucks with ventilators cross the border, and aren't their shipments transferred to U.S. truckers near the border?
4.Is he actually saying that reducing the number of infected people in the U.S. wouldn't make a difference about how widespread it becomes? Is he serious?

This is the least of our problems.I just seen Oshama again making fun of tea parties and blamed Fox News.This is the problem.We have a president that thinks anyone who disagrees with him is wrong.That is dangerous.I also notice that he repeats the same thing that the American people voted for change.That is true ,but we are not talking Socialism.77% favor free markets—34% strongly agree with his policies,and 32% strongly disagree with his policies.That by no means favors social engeneering.His popularity after 100 days is the same as Bush's was.Just because some do not understand economics does not mean you push through a shitload of bogus programs,while people are not educated enough,to know their true meanings.That press conferance was pitiful.The media should all be firered after not asking relevant questions.When I explain the goal of a Statist to an uneducated Oshama drone,they find that they do not agree with him.This will all come out someday,but how much damage our country will face is un-known.The TEA PARTIES are growing and in the end well over 3/4 of the country will wake up.Oshama needs to tone down a little until these dummies can catch up.

I agree ,Im a former Democrat

DearLiberals.Please watch the GLEN BECK PROGRAM on friday.It is about the media and tea parties.You dont have to agree ,but it should be viewed.

[...] have surfed this wave of panic, linking the flu with religion, factory farming, meat eating, immigration, and partisan [...]

This Eviatar broad is nothing less than a rabid propagandist and likely Commie or Marxist hog.

Illegal aliens are criminals and parasites, one and all. Their very presence here and practically everything they do on U. S. soil is illegal. They need to be ferreted out, rounded up like cattle, punished for their numerous crimes, then booted back to whence they snuck in from with such extreme prejudice that they will never, ever think of violating our sovereignty again. Enough is enough.

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Oh my, please don't use swine flu as the reason for closing relationship with Mexico. This has nothing to do with state-affairs of nations. This is the right time to unite and lend a helping hand to those who are in need.

It is unfortunate to see journalist Daphne Eviatar, who should be presenting both sides, go on the attack and criticize her fellow journalists as well as immigration restrictionists who she claims “unabashedly argue that the crisis of the day — whatever it may be — is the fault of illegal immigrants.” This is not so and she knows it. She would benefit from contacting groups like NumbersUSA as a resource for moderate, balanced input on the enforcement/immigration issues.

Her concluding sentence, that “there appears to be, at least among most serious advocates, legislators and policymakers, consensus about the need for comprehensive reform.” is not supported by the facts. The 800,000+ members of NumbersUSA and the majority of people in the USA are against comprehensive reform as she understands it and we are “serious advocates”.

In March 2009, Rasmussen reported that 74% of voters do not believe the federal government is doing enough to secure the country’s borders; 68% of U.S. voters favor strict government sanctions on employers who hire illegal immigrants; and 67% of voters also say that if law enforcement officers know of places where immigrants gather to find work, they should sometimes conduct surprise raids to identify and deport illegal immigrants.

Eviatar further insists that a Congressional “hearing was full of powerful arguments for why comprehensive immigration reform would boost the U.S. economy, enhance public safety and reinforce American values of hard work, family unity and entrepreneurship. “ as if no one should be allowed to question a Congressional hearing where witnesses are carefully selected to arrive at a particular conclusion that Congress people want. So, why is Ms. Eviator writing for the Washington Independent? What’s independent about it?

Then she criticizes those who suggests closing our southern border might be a sound public health measure including radio host Savage, Fox News hosts Beck and Sustren, Rep. Massa (D – N.Y.), and even the L.A. Times for suggesting that closing the border with Mexico might be an appropriate response to a flu pandemic. Notice she failed to include V.P. Biden, who ineptly warned against anyone traveling by subway or plane.

As a retired government epidemiologist (Masters from Johns Hopkins and Ph.D. in Environmental Biology and Public Policy) I have worked with CDC for many years and am familiar with the thinking that go into questions like border closings, school and event closings, quarantines, etc. Here’s what the Washington Post reported in 2007:
Flu Pandemic Deaths Avoidable, August 13, 2007; A06
“A long-awaited analysis of the experience of 43 U.S. cities, published last week in the Journal of the American Medical Association, disputes the conventional wisdom that neither communities nor individuals could have done much to alter the deadly march of the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic.

The study found that U.S. cities that closed schools, banned public gatherings, isolated flu patients and quarantined people exposed to them suffered less than cities that did not do those things.”

Regarding quarantine and travel, WHO now says, “Today, international travel moves rapidly, with large numbers of individuals visiting various parts the world. Limiting travel and imposing travel restrictions would have very little effect on stopping the virus from spreading, but would be highly disruptive to the global community.” It says “very little effect”, not “no effect” and seems to weigh deaths against disruptive economic effects. Diana West, a Columnist questions the WHO reasoning in a manner that a good journalist should.

Questions that should be put to our government and the WHO are contained in West’s intelligent and nuanced review of the close-the-border question in yesterday’s editorial “Swine Flu Should Prompt Closure of U.S.-Mexican Border”, May 01, 2009. Please see her article at: http://townhall.com/columnists/DianaWest/2009/0…. She says:

“While the U.S. government went ahead and issued a travel advisory on nonessential travel to Mexico on Monday, it has still in no way restricted travel from Mexico, not even for a day or two to assess the path and scope of the outbreak. . . . There is something screwy going on.”

She concluded:
“Of course, when it comes to the U.S.-Mexican border, there's probably a deeper, more psychological reason it remains open: Our government doesn't want to close it, not for anything. George W. Bush didn't want to secure the border, not even to stop terrorist incursions or illegal immigration, and Barack H. Obama doesn't want to secure the border, not even to stop terrorist incursions, illegal immigration, drug cartel violence or what is being billed as the 21st century plague. It might set a dangerous precedent. It might demonstrate to citizens of both countries that the United States is capable of controlling its borders. To the globalists and amnesty proponents of the past and present administrations, that is the scariest prospect of all, scarier even the prospect of the great flu pandemic of 2009.”

Eviatar is clearly one of those globalists and amnesty proponents. She has a law degree and can’t resist advocating her position rather than being a journalist who should be covering this story in a fair and balanced way.

Jerome Blondell, Ph.D., M.P.H.

There is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. They are illegal aliens that are the result of lack of enforcement of immigration laws by our government both Democratic and Republican.

Call on our Congress to pass an immigration law to state that any child born in US Territory will only be a citizen if one of the parents at the time of birth is a US citizen. This simple law would end the misery and hideous cost of dealing with the Anchor Baby issue. This would provide a correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment. It will end up at the Supreme Court.

Before any discussion of amnesty we need to finish the border fence and mandate enforcement of E-Verify. Until we stem the flow of illegal aliens discussion of amnesty needs to be taken off the table. Are we going to keep this charade of immigration laws in our Country and turn a blind eye to this issue. Allowing illegal aliens to populate our Country is not fair to them or to the Citizens of this Country. The Government is here to protect its Citizens and not illegal aliens.

There was good reason to believe that controlling human traffic across the border with Mexico was important. Initial reports suggested that the mortality rate from the new swine flu were about 7%, not far from the 10% of the 1918 flu that killed 40-50 million people. Under the circumstances, it would have been prudent to restrict movement across the border to essential purposes for a period of perhaps several to a few weeks, to slow the spread of the virus into the U.S. Recall that even ordinary influenza seasons kill 36,000 people in the U.S., and it takes at least 6 months to produce significant quantities of vaccine. Temporary border restrictions that slowed the spread by a few weeks might have allowed the heat and humidity of late spring and summer to halt the spread until fall, and with an extremely pathogenic virus, even delaying the spread by a few weeks might have allowed tens of millions of people to be vaccinated in time. Eventually the spread within the U.S. would greatly exceed the spread from Mexico, and at that time border restrictions would no longer have been necessary.

The calls for border restriction were prudent and the failure to heed them was not. There are many, particularly in the Latino community, who regard any restriction on movement across the border with Mexico as offensive. Barack Obama, a man I supported in the election, but the most politically correct president in our history, chose not to take appropriate action to protect our country for political reasons.

Amnesty Advocates Point to Crisis of Moment to Push “Comprehensive Immigration Reform”

If the pro-amnesty reactions to the outbreak of swine flu (like Eviatar's) are any indication, advocates for sane immigration policy are going to have an uphill battle in Congress this year.

The swine flu crisis this week played perfectly into the hands of these pro-amnesty advocates (like Eviatar). They characteristically and reflexively seized on the crisis and the various rational calls for temporarily closing the border to control the spread of the disease as “restrictionist,” “anti-immigrant,” and “predatory.” Seemingly, the more rational and essential the need for some control over the border, the more hysterical and shrill (and predictable) the attacks by the pro-amnesty lobby on those who propose these rational measures.

When it comes to immigration, the facts often don’t seem to matter to pro-amnesty advocates. The only thing that seems to matter is using each and every opportunity possible to smear and vilify any person or proposal that is in even a small way at odds with their rabid and inflexible devotion to the idea of amnesty. Whether it’s a suggestion that unlimited immigration and amnesty might pose a threat to American workers or a modest proposal to temporarily close the border in order to forestall the threat of a pandemic, the simple, rational recommendations of the day becomes fodder for pro-amnesty activists to claim that “immigration reform” is absolutely essential to solving all of the United States’ problems.

Pro-amnesty advocates unabashedly argue that the crisis of the day — whatever it may be — has been manufactured by anyone who suggests that immigration should be rationally managed in any way.

It is difficult to convince high-pitched pro-amnesty advocates (like Eviatar) that anything but completely opening the U.S.-Mexico border to all comers at all times is the solution, whether the problem is a flu pandemic, drug-related violence or high unemployment.

Pro-amnesty advocates (like Eviatar) are using this occasion, like so many before, to claim a “consensus” on “comprehensive immigration reform” (which means “changing all of the laws to agree with what I think should be done”) among all “serious advocates, legislators and policymakers” because, by definition, everyone who doesn't agree with them isn't “serious” or to be taken seriously!

The biggest hurdle to getting any kind of real, rational, coherent immigration reform passed this year, or any other, may be getting the real, sober, rational policy arguments of those who understand that immigration must be managed and controlled in some way heard above the hysterical shrieking of pro-amnesty advocates (like Eviatar) who don't understand this and viciously attack all those who do.

[...] Swine Flu Rhetoric Part of Broader Anti-Immigration Strategy – The Washington Independent.comIf the anti-immigrant reactions to the outbreak of swine flu are any indication, advocates for immigration reform are going to have an uphill battle in Congress this year. Illustration by: Matt Mahurin On Thursday, the Senate Judiciary Committee’s [...]

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It seems the flu is not as severe as we were initially led to believe. However, it's obvious from the non-action of our “government” in this case, that even if we had a truly dangerous epidemic like Ebola fever coming over our borders and spreading rapidly, our “representatives” would choose political correctness over American lives. And the ethnic hustlers like Daphne would also choose loyalty to their “raza” over American lives. Folks, this is a huge problem for us and our children.

It seems the flu is not as severe as we were initially led to believe. However, it's obvious from the non-action of our “government” in this case, that even if we had a truly dangerous epidemic like Ebola fever coming over our borders and spreading rapidly, our “representatives” would choose political correctness over American lives. And the ethnic hustlers like Daphne would also choose loyalty to their “raza” over American lives. Folks, this is a huge problem for us and our children.

Osterholm is an idiot.
He must think all medical products that come into this country are brought in
by illegals through the desert at night.
He hasn't ever heard of UPS or FEDX.