Comments on: John Kiriakou, Abu Zubaydah, and 83 Waterboarding Sessions http://washingtonindependent.com/40714/john-kiriakou-abu-zubaydah-and-83-waterboarding-sessions National News in Context Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:04:41 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: pbgeezer http://washingtonindependent.com/40714/john-kiriakou-abu-zubaydah-and-83-waterboarding-sessions/comment-page-1#comment-35466 pbgeezer Fri, 15 May 2009 05:37:59 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=40714#comment-35466 It's not torture, wrapping your head in a towel and pouring water on it is unpleasant, but it's not exactly in the same league as pulling one's fingernails out with pliers. Years ago I went through the Navy's Escape and Evation school in Warner Springs, CA, every student was waterboarded to demonstrate how rough being held in enemy captivity could be. No one had their head cut off, however, so I guess it wasn't all that bad. I must say that I consider myself as no more maladjusted as a result of my mock interrogation sessions than I was before my waterboarding experience. Oh, we also weren't allowed to sleep for more than an hour at a time which is pretty mean also, but I think I got over that as well, although it did make me kind of drifty at the time. I suspect, however, that if some incriminating evidence turns up that can't be refuted about a prominent democrat the entire issue will drop off the front pages in a nano second. It's not torture, wrapping your head in a towel and pouring water on it is unpleasant, but it's not exactly in the same league as pulling one's fingernails out with pliers. Years ago I went through the Navy's Escape and Evation school in Warner Springs, CA, every student was waterboarded to demonstrate how rough being held in enemy captivity could be. No one had their head cut off, however, so I guess it wasn't all that bad. I must say that I consider myself as no more maladjusted as a result of my mock interrogation sessions than I was before my waterboarding experience. Oh, we also weren't allowed to sleep for more than an hour at a time which is pretty mean also, but I think I got over that as well, although it did make me kind of drifty at the time. I suspect, however, that if some incriminating evidence turns up that can't be refuted about a prominent democrat the entire issue will drop off the front pages in a nano second.

]]> By: pbgeezer http://washingtonindependent.com/40714/john-kiriakou-abu-zubaydah-and-83-waterboarding-sessions/comment-page-1#comment-30671 pbgeezer Thu, 14 May 2009 22:37:59 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=40714#comment-30671 It's not torture, wrapping your head in a towel and pouring water on it is unpleasant, but it's not exactly in the same league as pulling one's fingernails out with pliers. Years ago I went through the Navy's Escape and Evation school in Warner Springs, CA, every student was waterboarded to demonstrate how rough being held in enemy captivity could be. No one had their head cut off, however, so I guess it wasn't all that bad. I must say that I consider myself as no more maladjusted as a result of my mock interrogation sessions than I was before my waterboarding experience. Oh, we also weren't allowed to sleep for more than an hour at a time which is pretty mean also, but I think I got over that as well, although it did make me kind of drifty at the time. I suspect, however, that if some incriminating evidence turns up that can't be refuted about a prominent democrat the entire issue will drop off the front pages in a nano second. It's not torture, wrapping your head in a towel and pouring water on it is unpleasant, but it's not exactly in the same league as pulling one's fingernails out with pliers. Years ago I went through the Navy's Escape and Evation school in Warner Springs, CA, every student was waterboarded to demonstrate how rough being held in enemy captivity could be. No one had their head cut off, however, so I guess it wasn't all that bad. I must say that I consider myself as no more maladjusted as a result of my mock interrogation sessions than I was before my waterboarding experience. Oh, we also weren't allowed to sleep for more than an hour at a time which is pretty mean also, but I think I got over that as well, although it did make me kind of drifty at the time. I suspect, however, that if some incriminating evidence turns up that can't be refuted about a prominent democrat the entire issue will drop off the front pages in a nano second.

]]> By: Spencer Ackerman http://washingtonindependent.com/40714/john-kiriakou-abu-zubaydah-and-83-waterboarding-sessions/comment-page-1#comment-28865 Spencer Ackerman Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:09:38 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=40714#comment-28865 I think you might be thinking of <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2009/04/19/the-cia-ig-report-is-waterboarding-ksm-183-times-really-effective" rel="nofollow">Khalid Shaikh Mohammed</a>. I think you might be thinking of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed.

]]> By: JD http://washingtonindependent.com/40714/john-kiriakou-abu-zubaydah-and-83-waterboarding-sessions/comment-page-1#comment-28814 JD Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:44:08 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=40714#comment-28814 Fox is running a story today that 183 was actually 5 sessions, 183 pours. Makes a difference. Yet to see it on another network, but this is the type of story others would ignore. Fox is running a story today that 183 was actually 5 sessions, 183 pours. Makes a difference. Yet to see it on another network, but this is the type of story others would ignore.

]]> By: lilburro http://washingtonindependent.com/40714/john-kiriakou-abu-zubaydah-and-83-waterboarding-sessions/comment-page-1#comment-28804 lilburro Tue, 28 Apr 2009 15:11:43 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=40714#comment-28804 Hmm...I think it's hard to avoid pointing a finger at Kiriakou though. He now is basically claiming he knew very little. If that was true, it was extremely deceptive on his part to take the stage and tell us "FROM THAT DAY ON, HE ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION." From that day on, he was dunked again, and again, and again. But Kiriakou somehow missed that part. And that's ignoring the way his account conflicts with what the Washington Post recently reported from "senior government officials" who followed the Zubaydah interrogations - that no plots were disrupted as a result of his torture.<br><br>Seems to me there's not much positive you can say about Kiriakou. And if it is true that he was misinformed, I wonder why? Why was that misinformation cast in such a positive light? I think you raise the scariest possibility of all - that internally, pro-torture CIA peeps misled their colleagues. And that is really f*cked up. Hmm…I think it's hard to avoid pointing a finger at Kiriakou though. He now is basically claiming he knew very little. If that was true, it was extremely deceptive on his part to take the stage and tell us “FROM THAT DAY ON, HE ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION.” From that day on, he was dunked again, and again, and again. But Kiriakou somehow missed that part. And that's ignoring the way his account conflicts with what the Washington Post recently reported from “senior government officials” who followed the Zubaydah interrogations – that no plots were disrupted as a result of his torture.

Seems to me there's not much positive you can say about Kiriakou. And if it is true that he was misinformed, I wonder why? Why was that misinformation cast in such a positive light? I think you raise the scariest possibility of all – that internally, pro-torture CIA peeps misled their colleagues. And that is really f*cked up.

]]> By: tony http://washingtonindependent.com/40714/john-kiriakou-abu-zubaydah-and-83-waterboarding-sessions/comment-page-1#comment-28762 tony Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:08:04 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=40714#comment-28762 From other media sources I've read Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 183 times From other media sources I've read Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 183 times

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