Conservative Catholic Groups Fueling Obama Notre Dame Scandal

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Friday, April 24, 2009 at 6:00 am
President Barack Obama (WDCpix)

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Within hours of the news that President Barack Obama would give the commencement address to this year’s graduates of Notre Dame University in South Bend, Ind., angry opponents of the decision founded a new Website, NotreDameScandal.com, where they could register their complaints and sign a petition asking the school to “halt this travesty.”

“Notre Dame has chosen prestige over principles, popularity over morality,” reads the petition. “Whatever may be President Obama’s admirable qualities, this honor comes on the heels of some of the most anti-life actions of any American president, including expanding federal funding for abortions and inviting taxpayer-funded research on stem cells from human embryos.” Within days, tens of thousands of people had signed on.

Image by: Matt Mahurin

Image by: Matt Mahurin

“Virtually every media story for the first few weeks of this scandal cited our site and our petition,” said Patrick Reilly, the president and founder of the Cardinal Newman Society, in an interview with TWI. “There’s tremendous outpouring of support for the students who are opposing this outrage at Notre Dame. Some of them have said they’ll have nothing to do with Notre Dame if this goes forward.”

After eight years of only occasional disagreements with a Republican president, conservative Catholic activists have moved into the trenches to oppose Obama. They cite his repeal of the Mexico City rule, or “global gag rule” that banned providing federal money to international groups that promote or provide abortions, his stem cell compromise, and his cabinet nominees like Kathleen Sebelius, the pro-choice governor of Kansas, to argue that he is the most pro-abortion rights politician ever to ascend to the job. They are bolstered by new media outlets and organizations that did not exist at their current strength in 2000, the last time Catholics had to contend with a pro-choice president. At the same time, they’re encouraged by a series of high-profile statements from church leaders on political morality–including the 2004 declarations by bishops that they would deny communion to then-presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), and Pope Benedict XIV’s 2005 speech attacking the “dictatorship of relativism.” A small number of conservative groups, and a more newsworthy group of conservative bishops — 42 so far — are turning the Notre Dame speech into a watershed moment, while obscuring the fact that the president enjoys majority support from Catholics.

Reilly’s efforts have served as a window into the movement. The Cardinal Newman Society is recognized as the key advocate for conservative values at Catholic universities, but it is a relatively small organization. Reilly is one of seven employees of the group, loosely affiliated with the conservative Media Research Center, whose president L. Brent Bozell III serves on the Cardinal Newman Society’s board of directors. According to tax records filed in 2007, the organization runs on less than $1 million per year. The NotreDameScandal site itself is a modest project, using the exact same design, and same stock photos, as the Cardinal Newman Society’s own page. Nonetheless, the effort has put the group in the news and garnered more than 350,000 signatures. It’s bolstered claims that the group represents ersatz Catholic opinion, which wants Obama to cancel his speech and Father John Jenkins, president of the university, to apologize or step aside.

“I haven’t seen polling on this issue,” Reilly said, “but if you see them you have to do some parsing and ask: Are these faithful Catholics who are attending mass and living faithful to Catholic teachings? Among faithful, church-going Catholics there’s been tremendous support for our efforts. A lot of Catholic groups are dealing with the fact that Catholics across the United States have drifted and they need to take a stand.”

By defining the stakes in the Notre Dame fight, conservative Catholics are able to overcome two hurdles–the president’s popularity with Catholics nationally and Notre Dame students in particular. The piece of evidence most often cited to prove the president’s “Catholic problem” is a March 2009 Pew Research poll that revealed a steep drop in the president’s approval numbers among self-identified Catholics since the inauguration. But the poll gave the president a 59-28 favorable rating among all Catholics and a 47-41 rating among white, non-Hispanic Catholics. An April Pew poll gave the president high marks from Catholics on his handling of stem cell research, a decision that involved Catholic advisers. Obama carried Indiana in 2008 by a slim margin that included a win in St. Joseph County — which contains Notre Dame — and a win among Notre Dame students, who also picked Obama over McCain in a pre-election poll .

“Catholics are a diverse group of people,” said John Green, a senior fellow at the Pew Center for Religion and the Press, explaining the poll. “There’s been a decline in Obama’s numbers that’s not too far out of step with his decline overall. The rest of this, a lot of this, is internal politics between conservative Catholics and liberal Catholics.”

For Deal Hudson, the president of InsideCatholic.com, and a political guru who directed Catholic outreach for President George W. Bush and Sen. John McCain, that analysis missed the mark. “When you are trying to get the Catholic vote,” he said, “the first thing on the table is getting a speaking engagement at Notre Dame. I know. I’ve been there! The Obama political team did this and, I’m sure, expected some kind of backlash, but nothing like the watershed moment that this has turned into.”

The “watershed moment” has been heavily debated in Catholic magazines and web sites–World, Inside the Vatican, Catholic World News, LifeNews.net, the New Oxford Review–which have flowered over the last few years and which have aggressively covered the Obama decisions that have most upset conservative Catholics. The minor story of Georgetown covering up the monogram “IHS,” meaning “Jesus,” to make room for the staging of an Obama speech, has been aggressively covered. CNSNews.com–which, like the Cardinal Newman Center, is directed by L. Brent Bozell–published an enterprise piece asking whether the president would agree to wear the official robes at Notre Dame, since they are threaded with a prayer.

“Blogs can keep issues alive in a way that wasn’t possible before,” said George Neumayr, the editor of Catholic World Report, a conservative weekly. “The bishops are bombarded with complaints because of of the activity level of blogs and the ease with which people can contact the chancery. A bishop who’s receiving 1,000 messages is more likely to come out and at least make a statement about the most anti-Catholic president in modern history.”

The biggest problem for conservative Catholics has not been getting the Obama speech portrayed in the press as a scandal, but in distancing from some of the people trying to take ownership of the outrage. Randall Terry, the anti-abortion activist who converted to Catholicism in 2006, has moved temporarily to South Bend to mount protests against the school. Reilly, Neumayr and others accused Terry of being a trouble-maker and self-promoter whose effort–more than 30 full-time agitators, 50,000 letters to alumni that include postcards depicting dead fetuses, bringing fringe political candidate Alan Keyes to speak, and planning a rumored “alternate commencement for Notre Dame Heroes”–makes them look fringe. In an interview Terry said that American bishops were “directly responsible for Obama’s election” because they hadn’t spoken out against him politically. “The fabric of Notre Dame’s treachery was woven by American bishops,” said Terry, who also called Georgetown University “a house of political harlotry” for allowing Obama and Vice President Biden to speak there.

Terry laughs when the worries of other conservative Catholics are read back to him. “How can they delude themselves to think this war can be won in cyberspace?” he asked. “I always tell people that petitions are no more than a fundraising mechanism to gather your name and raise money from you. They’re scams. For them to say I shouldn’t be on the ground shows they are not culture warriors. If Martin Luther King had taken the advice of the Cardinal Newman Society, black people still be riding in the back of the bus.”

Catholic supporters of the president are trying to weather the storm and dispute the idea that Obama has a “Catholic problem.” Douglas Kmiec, a former Notre Dame professor and constitutional legal counsel to Ronald Reagan who endorsed Obama and published the election tract “Can A Catholic Support Him?” argued that Reagan had been met by protests when he gave his celebrated 1981 commencement speech. “No one thought,” said Kmiec, “that when Reagan came to accept his honorary degree he’d engage in a symposium where a bishop would give him the evangelium vitae on capital punishment, or the early draft of pastoral letter of American bishops on reducing nuclear weapons.”

Kmiec characterized much of the Notre Dame talk as politicized and unrepresentative of what Catholics think, especially the activity of Newt Gingrich, who became a Catholic this year.

“For Newt Gingrich to say, as a latter-day Catholic, that this president has ignored Catholic issues, means that he needs to go back to adult religious education class to learn more deeply about the social justice elements that he probably missed,” Kmiec said. “The notion that this president is not in line with those sentiments is not befitting of the former speaker, who was a former scholar, and who I admire as someone who normally has creative ideas.”

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crea8iv
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 8:25 am

I will not bash President Obama. But his views on Abortion puts him on the polar end of what Notre Dame represents. What ever happened to ” to thy known self be true” (if I have the quote completely correct). You can not invite a speaker that will weaken the stance that you must represent. I am not saying that Notre Dame should attack our President. Instead, take a repectful position on the other side of the fence.


catholic
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Father Jenkins is a traitor to the Catholic Church and Notre Dame but most important to God and the unborn. Father Jenkins failed the test. Evil won.


Hypocrites
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 8:57 am

When cathloics start by cleaning thier own house, you can judge someone else! Hypocrites!!


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jenzinoh
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 9:35 am

Isn't that Vatican opposed to the death-penalty and the war in Iraq…? Where is the outrage against the GOP for those two things? GWB was Governor of a state that executes people routinely!

First poster was dead-on… hypocrites.


Dave
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 9:52 am

The world isn't going to say that Catholics are open minded over this in the end, they're simply going to say that their religion and their standards are simply a joke. They'll say that the Pope is a fraud who has no control over The Church.

It's a slap in the face of God to have Obama speak at Notre Dame. Like at Georgetown, he is mocking all Christians!


joshquasimoto
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 9:59 am

And I am sure all these people are just as concerned with poverty, greed and sloth!
Open your eyes guys and gals we are swimming in it! Not to say that we don't have hope but this sort of non-sense makes their arguments and intentions seem all the more baffling. Where were these people when America marches to war to kill people, whether they be soldiers or innocent bystanders? Jesus is against murder and death but he is also against poverty, greed and sloth. Look what war does to our returning soldiers (highest suicide rates ever in the armed forces), look what it does to our image abroad (higher levels of anti-american rhetoric) and look what it did to our economy. Sometimes I really think what these people are fighting is rational discourse and progress!


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Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 10:18 am

Oh Again :-s why did Obama Following Bush rules?


Catintexas
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 11:14 am

The hypocrisy is amusing. No one protested President Bush when he spoke. He is a proponent of the death penalty, a big no no in the church.


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RWN
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 12:17 pm

Right Wing Catholics, now that is an interesting thing—-I have talked with a number of ND alum and they don't get it. They should use their prestige and fiscal might and push back to this righteous group and tell them to find another symbol


America the FREE
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 12:40 pm

Freddie Mack CEO kills himself – Dodd finally tied to crisis – Obama only one to back Dodd- obama in bed with GE – GE tied to biased media.More will come .This is a one term president.And I seen it all along.Now tea parties….. America not ready for SOCIALISM.No need to spread poverty from the bottom up. honeymoon over


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Antagonist
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

Wrong, wrong wrong. You miss the point completely. He wasn't invited to speak on the pulpit, but to deliver a commencement address. You really think abortion is going to be what his speech is about? It'll be about public service – something the Catholic church prides itself on.


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crea8iv
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

No, I did not miss a thing. It was not the speech that matters, but the messenger. Obama might think that Public service is something that they have in common, but his avenues of public service, like providing abortions on demand, do not fall into place with the Christian creedo.


Tim
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 2:57 pm

Interesting article. You did get a few things wrong. A few notes:

1. “IHS” doesn't mean Jesus. It means “in hoc signo,” translated as “in this sign.”

2. The official title of the school is not “Notre Dame University.” It is “The University of Notre Dame.”

3. The bishops who said they would deny John Kerry communion, or other deny communion to other Catholic politicians who support abortion, are a minority. Most Catholic bishops are extremely leery of taking such a drastic step. And the reason is simple: as Catholics, we believe that Jesus is truly present, in some mysterious way that is beyond our comprehension, in the consecrated host. And most bishops, and most priests, simply think it is wrong to get into a confrontation with someone whose conscience they cannot judge, while holding the body of Christ in their hand.

4. To those who ask where were the protests when Bush spoke at Notre Dame: they were there. Some students protested. Not too many. There was no organized opposition to Bush speaking. But to those who question the “Catholic Church” protesting Obama: no, no, no. It is a group of disgruntled Catholics, more politically conservative than anything else, who are protesting.

5. I am a Notre Dame grad, a practicing Catholic, and sing in our church choir. So when you preach Catholicism to me, you are literally preaching to the choir. I voted for Obama. I am proud that my alma mater is having the President of the United States speak at the commencement. I felt that way when George W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, in their terms as President, delivered the commencement address, even though I never voted for Reagan and despite George W. Bush. It is a great honor for Notre Dame. To those conservative Catholics who disagree: well, I think you are wrong, but I respect your opinion. You should also respect my opinion, and more to the point, that of Fr. Jenkins and the community of the University of Notre Dame.


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Jason
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 4:55 pm

IHS” is interpreted as meaning Iesus Hominum Salvator (“Jesus, Savior of men” in Latin. And Liberal Catholics belong in Douchebagistan!


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captn' bligh
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 11:19 pm

you americans are such cow pie disturbers. obama should be allowed to speak and notre dame should be allowed to hear him, regardless of his personal stands. he should be allowed to speak and notre dame should be allowed to hear him because he is the frickin' president of the united states of america, you dumb jaskasses! oh sure cancel his speech – how to win friends and influence people! you know, john a. macdonald looked south and thought 'naw, this is no good, they're a revolutionary country that will never do anything but be at one another's throats – that's what republicanism will get you. if you jackasses had seen the light, you would have acquired some british commonwealth sensibility, and you wouldn't be seeing such an embarassing display of panty-analysing the world has ever seen. just shut the f— up and let the man speak – he's the leader of the free world; let him speak for the dignity of his office alone! stop thinkin' you're gonna play fulton sheen and convert the sob….but if you had shut up and treated the office of president in a dignified manner, he might have had a more favourable opinion about catholics – now they're not much different than bob jones and john hagee….


Spirit of Vatican II
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 11:38 pm

This is one of the sorriest and silliest displays that US Catholics have ever been involved in. I particularly deplore the vulgar and opportunistic stance of some bishops. The local bishop is aggrieved that the president of Notre Dame did not consult him. What nonsense! If Notre Dame were to acccept such paternalistic intrusion in their affairs they would lose credibility as an institution devoted to the ideals of a University. President Jenkins should politely tell the bishop that he is speaking way out of line. The powers of the Church over Catholic Universities are carefully negotiated and these Universities have to be eternally vigilant against illegitimate Vatican intrusions. If there is no written contractual obligation of the University's president to consult the hierarchy before inviting a guest, then he should not consult them. To set up an informal practice of such consultation would subtly undermine the freedom of the University.


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America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 5:10 am

Lets Not Try to change america so much…Fags are alright ,I am frieds with some.They dont complain like liberals do.Who cares if someone opposes abortion,its their right.Why doesnt any of you care about the real issues,Like Obama using a crisis to lower the standard of living. (OBAMA)-We have to stop spending money,Theirs to much debt.Whats he do…Spend even more-take over banks-and encourage people to take on debt…What a sham.We have to grow naturally with capitalism or we are all doomed.Taxes are way to high and going higher.THIS HAS TO BE STOPPED.Read economics before you vote next time.And quit looking at topics that have no place in politics.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 7:57 am

Not Related to this……..I read an artical about former KKK chief David Duke.He was arrested,and kicked out of Chech Republic.They labled him as a right winger.He hates the success of blacks = He denies the Holocost – He is a communist in my eyes.Doesnt that make him Liberal or Democrat.


John Caron
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 8:27 am

The people opposing President Obama are your one issue voters; the Catholics who see EVERYTHING through the lens of abortion. For these Catholics, nuclear weapons, the death penalty, poverty, the war in Iraq, economic dislocation, racism, among others are no problem. Nothing to spend a not so almighty dollar to protest. They believe everything all would be right with America, if abortion was illegal. I hate abortion, but it is a symptom. It is not the disease. Unfortunately, abortion is just one of the major problems facing America. I pray that all Catholics get the big picture.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 10:26 am

My opposition to Osama.Nothing Done to help economy……..Investers should take care of Green Tech…….Gov can not run banks or car industry…..Socialism Sucks……Social Programs are failures,and a drain on ALL PEOPLE…….We will be unsafe………Over taxing leads to unemployment…….Printing money leads to inflation…..The list GOES ON and ON………The last time government lowered bank standards in 1998 ,another crisis was born.Not all of us are under this weird spell.62 million did not vote for this./…..THIS CAN NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN


kevin o connell
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 1:52 pm

This article makes it look as if Catholics are responsible for Obama's shocking advocacy of abortion. They are not. Not killing babies in the womb has been Catholic teaching for 2000 years. No poll cancels that. And a so-called Catholic University has no business whatever overturning this teaching.
Kevin O Connell


CraigK
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

What a lot of uninformed responces:
1. IHS are the first three letters in Greek, it is not an acronym
2.The real name of Notre Dame, is the The University of Notre Dame du Lac
3. They claim to be a CATHOLIC university, not a secular university therefore they are to follow the principles of a Catholic formed education, not a secular education. Vast differences exist between the two institutions
4. Any organization that claims the title of Catholic in reference to the Catholic Church, and enjoys privileges granted by the Bishop of the Diocese in which they exist, are bound to his decisions. This is a basic rule in Canon law.
5. The Church does not prohibit the death penalty, that would be against Scripture, the Church does teach however, that it should be rare and only used as a last resort.
6. The Church can not disapprove of any war as that is the purveyance of the state, not the Church.

And finally, the greatest majority of issues do come behind life, without life nothing else matters. The taking of any innocent life is abhorrent, but the taking of lives that are innocent and can not defend itself is the greatest crime.


Calvin
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

I'm a catholic who voted for obama and i wish the church wouldnt make such a big deal and see the bigger picture. That being said people need to stop attacking the church for standing up for their pro-life stance. They are probably the biggest international charity and use their power to prevent genocide and protect weaker religions. It's their right to be heard and more so. Its in the bill of rights. Let them have their say they earned it by being one of the mot powerful cultural forces and using that power for good.


D Thurman
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

Years ago when JFK ran for President, my Grandfather was sure if he won, that the Pope would rule America! It DIDN'T happen. Now I see the Pope and the CC trying to rule America. The times are different and the issues are different, but the CC wants into my bedroom, my body and my mind; I REFUSE.

As far as Obama is concerned, they invited him to speak, so until THEY uninvite him; it is his duty to honor their request. I love my 'elegant President' and know he will do the right thing.


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America the FREE
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 9:03 am

I have noticed lefties have harsh words for people that do not share their view on war,gay rights,releasing torture memos,abortion,ect…Why do they not care about the economy,freedom,capitalism,and the things that actually matter for advancement of the human race.Being that all social programs actually hurt the poor why are the terrible economic decissions being made not mentioned by the left.I would love to talk on phone with one of you,on my dime,just to see the rationing.Reply back with phone number…..I dont want to argue,so if thats your reason do not reply.Thank You


Bill Dillon
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 9:26 am

see South Bend Tribune sunday April26: ND faculty senate supported Jenkins
decision to invite Obama by 44 to 1 vote. Also ND students overwhelmingly same.


RB_Johnson
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

I can see why conservative Catholic groups and US Catholic bishops have engaged in this fight (Obama at Notre Dame): It makes money and positions tenure.

The written arguments remain too theological for common understanding or acceptance and that is why the word internacine was created: Confusion is often more persuasive than logic, especially with matters of belief and dogma. Have you spoken with a bishop (or general)? It is assurance rather than truth or logic that carries you away.


Fletch
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

IHS definitely DOES represent the name of Jesus. (So much for CraigK's “uninformed response”).
See the Wiki here – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christogram , or the Catholic Encyclopedia here – http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07649a.htm.
Go into any Catholic Church and you'll see the inscription at the top of the crucifix.

As far as the CC wanting “to rule the world”, that is rubbish. They do, however, want to protect the most innocent life on the planet – unborn babies – that are being killed everyday. Who will speak up for the slaughtered if not they?

You know, we've just had ANZAC Day here down under, celebrating our soldiers fallen in WWII. My aged mother points out that the very things we fought Hitler against (he experimented on the Jews medically that were going to be gassed) are now coming into society anyway (experimenting on the bodies of dead aborted babies via stem cell research).

Just what did our countrymen die for?


Tom Walsh
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 2:23 pm

I would like to know what Father Jenkins motives were …… knowing….. or hopefully being aware of President Obama”s stong opposition to the fundamental values of the Roman Catholic Church. Also how did Father Jenkins ever become the President of Notre Dame??? and what authority will it take to remove him from that position??? t. b. walsh


SmoothJazz
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

It's stupid of Weigel to call this a scandal. Obama has done nothing wrong.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

This country is divided.This is not your typical Democrats vs. Republicans This is freedom vs. Tyranny.Every president has people that do not agree with them.But never have I seen a media being hi-jacked.People that oppose higher taxes,and government expansion,are called unpatriotic racists.They say do not use the word terrorist,then a memo saying people that support the constitution,love God,and war vets are terrorists.This is BAD BAD BAD.In 1998 Democrats made changes to the CRA.I jokingly told friends (The next crisis has been born).Now I wonder if it was done on purpose.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

Seen an artical where DAVID DUKE former idiot of KKK was called a right winger.If you keep blacks down,hate Israel and wish for statist leaders,doesn't that make you a democrat.


Spirit of Vatican II
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 9:12 pm

Wikipedia has this to say about Theodore Hesburgh, Fr Jenkkins's predecessor: “In 1967, he led an academic movement which issued the so-called Land O'Lakes statement which insisted upon “true autonomy and academic freedom in the face of authority of whatever kind, lay or clerical”.”

Does this resonate at all in an American brutalized by eight years of a torturing dictator?


One Who Knows
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

You foreigners parade your pseudo-intellects in these forums, yet you cannot effectively manage your own countries are maintain peace for more than 30 years at a time without US assistance. You resent your ingrained inferiority.


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America the FREE
Comment posted April 27, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

Give him credit .Obama has only been in for 100 days


America the FREE
Comment posted April 27, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

Thats not fair.He has only been in 100 days


Bob witt
Comment posted April 29, 2009 @ 8:44 am

Amen.
The few, the proud, the 167th University of Notre Dame Class of 2009

My son will be on the stage with you. Go Irish


Steven Andrew
Comment posted April 30, 2009 @ 6:27 pm

This video makes several points why Barack Obama is mocking Jesus and president Jenkins has shamed Notre Dame and must resign:

http://www.praydailyamerica.com/resign.html


Pious
Comment posted May 1, 2009 @ 12:28 am

No, “conservative” groups are not responsible for growing surge to stop Obama. It's the 40 plus Catholic bishops in the US and the Pope. See liberals, Catholicism isn't a “feel good thing”, or a “majority” thing, it's about a right and wrong thing. You don't get a vote here. You can't hire George Soros to pollute the arena with misleading, twisted lies and half-truths.Your headline about Catholic voters is a BIG FAT LIE. Obama demanded religious symbols be removed from the stage at Georgetown U, no doubt because he believes they infer somehow, that religion is bigger than he is. He is a Godless man and Notre Dame will be stained by this in a fashion, not even imagined at this point. We have long memories. The Washington Independent? Independent of what, not that I care.


Pious
Comment posted May 1, 2009 @ 12:33 am

Spirit of Vatican II

Does this resonate at all in an American brutalized by eight years of a torturing dictator? (Lie repeated 1,000,000 times by Soros funded groups in an effort to divide America)

OK, how much are you paid to come here and flame? Are you with ACORN, you pay for play? Isn't that what they call in ChiTown?


John C. Harvey
Comment posted May 1, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

A university is a place where ideas are considered from all points of view. This makes for genuine debate concerning topics being considered. All know that ideas expressed are personal for the debater. The institution may or may not agree as an organization with what the debater is advocating but the university is the locus for such debates to take place. John Henry, Cardinal Newman well considered and discussed in great detail what the university is all about. Its business is the locus for carefully thought out points and ideas on any subject to be considered. The university through its officers, trustees, faculty may not necessarily agree with any or all of the arguments presented. The university as an organization might well stand for certain philosophical and/or theological stances which were those of the founders of the university and certainly may be directly opposed to the ideas being presented by some of the presenters. These ideas on higher education Newman beautifully expressed in his volume on “higher” education: “The Idea o f a University.” A university, thus, is the locus for curteous, careful, and respectful debate. While the debaters may hold quite different ideas concerning the subject under consideraton and hold them very dearly, each one of he debaters must always be curteous, unemotional, and respectful of the debaters who hold opposite views on the subject under consideraton. Anger, hypocracy, and exaggeration have no place in the presentatons made by the debaters.


patmallory
Comment posted May 12, 2009 @ 6:16 am

This Notre Dame “scandal “,has been ginned up by political operatives who are telling the gullible that somehow the Republican party has been endorsed by the Catholic Church, and now this evil Democrat must be publically slapped in the face for being president. Randall Terry , Alan Keyes
and the rest of the circus now onstage at Notre Dame, have dictated their agenda to our Bishops, and have given “marching orders”(their term) to
the rest of the local Catholic leaders. The anti-abortion wing-nuts have predicted a dark terrible storm over the Notre Dame campus, but at the same
time they do seem to love to sing in the rain at these events.


K. Schorgl
Comment posted May 13, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

I've read the constitution; nowhere does it say we must adhere to Catholic Doctrine. As president, Obama must uphold the law. Go back to Constitutional Law l0l. You scandal-monmgers are disgusting. As a cradle catholic of 82 years, I am ashamed of Notre Dame for the first time inmy life. Why don't you people (the protesters) just grow up? Or get a life?


Paul Langford
Comment posted May 16, 2009 @ 3:21 am

If you don't understand that the laws of God are above the laws of man – then you don't truly understand
the Bible or the words of Jesus. We already have almost unlimited abortion in this country .
Do we then honor a President who believes in same and even the horror of partial birth abortion ?
And by the way, where does it say in the Constitution
that people have a right to deny life to someone who is in the womb? I have yet to
find that passage .

The President and his supporters have played Notre Dame for fools . Divide and conquer .


Paul Langford
Comment posted May 16, 2009 @ 3:39 am

President Obama is not coming to Notre Dame to debate the abortion issue. . That would
be an entirely different matter and would be productive and enlightning .
And as far as 'exaggeration'
goes – do you approve of a University that puts an 83 year old priest in handcuffs for
peacebly singing and demonstrating on campus . A priest, a follower of Christ .
Please tell me – where is the respect for debate there ?
He is coming to
Notre Dame to be 'honored' for his stances and his views . And that 'honor'
confers approval .


Paul Langford
Comment posted May 16, 2009 @ 3:44 am

Its a 'sorry display' because you have no respect or understanding of basic Catholic teaching .

People have a right to their convictions and the right to protest . How very arrogant you are
to tell them otherwise just because you disagree and/or fail to understand completely
where they are coming from.


Debra J.M. Smith
Comment posted May 17, 2009 @ 6:09 pm

I am VERY against Obama, but hypocrites on the “right” do not make things better. Media Research owner, Brent Bozell speaks out against Notre Dame on this issue, while he, himself is a hypocrite for sitting by while reasonable speech is blocked on his own News Busters blog. See what I am speaking of: http://www.debrajmsmith.com/051809HL.html — Debra J.M. Smith of Informing Christians


Chris
Comment posted May 21, 2009 @ 5:46 pm

I have a hard time believing an “82 year old cradle catholic” would use the phrase “get a life.” Nice subterfuge, whoever you are.


Steven Andrew
Comment posted May 22, 2009 @ 5:47 am

You need to see these two videos. One shows Notre Dame arresting an 80 year old Catholic priest for carrying a cross on Notre Dame and the other shows why every Christian should call for the resignation of Jenkins, who obviously is against the truth of Jesus Christ:

http://www.praydailyamerica.com/resign.html


Steven Andrew
Comment posted May 22, 2009 @ 12:47 pm

You need to see these two videos. One shows Notre Dame arresting an 80 year old Catholic priest for carrying a cross on Notre Dame and the other shows why every Christian should call for the resignation of Jenkins, who obviously is against the truth of Jesus Christ:

http://www.praydailyamerica.com/resign.html


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loverevolver4
Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 10:05 am

Religion and politics do not mix well, we can’t expect Obama to ever take a decision that could be perceived as entirely christian faith based. It would only cause conflict and even more controversy. Abortion is a very sensitive subject and I think it will remain debatable for many thousands of years with no strict law denying it. As frustrating as that may be for many people there are a lot of cases where abortion can be necessary.


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Comment posted January 28, 2010 @ 3:05 pm

Religion and politics do not mix well, we can’t expect Obama to ever take a decision that could be perceived as entirely christian faith based. It would only cause conflict and even more controversy. Abortion is a very sensitive subject and I think it will remain debatable for many thousands of years with no strict law denying it. As frustrating as that may be for many people there are a lot of cases where abortion can be necessary.


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Comment posted June 9, 2010 @ 11:21 am

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