Durbin and Grassley Introduce H1B Visa Reform Bill

You American people should wake up; we have superior education and skills – that is why the American companies love us so. Maybe American workers should get Visas to India; we are always looking for talent in Bollywood.

Not a good thing….

whats going on??????????

Good legislation. The offshoring companies and body shops are the primary abusers of the program.

This is hardly a way to deal with the broken immigration system. The majority are legitimate law abiding, much more highly educated individuals than most Americans, and stuck waiting for a Green Card for 10-20 years. Fix the back logs first and service the people who have paid their fees, their taxes, their sweat in a job they are tied to because they can't move upwards. What the heck is this rubbish by 2 anti-immigration politicians! I am a highly educated British legal immigrant, fighting my case through the Federal Courts now because USCIS is so dysfunctional. And I have a CEO job waiting for me in a tech company. How is it that I take jobs from Americans! More like I create them. THey are a bunch of idiots. We'll have Amnesty before we have a fair, legal and working immigration system in our life times.

As an international professional living in the US, I absolutely understand the degree to which senates have been showing an increasingly anger towards foreign professionals. But, on the other hand, it is extremely important to handle this issue wisely and successfully. It is very easy to set up rules and block employers from hiring foreign employees (that's not gonna be though job; any american who lost a job or knows somebady who experienced that will come up with this idea). But, keep in mind that the strongest factor of american business environment stems from the diversity of its work settings, and notably intellectual foreigners (I understand that very well through my previous experience in my home country).
American should carefully face this crisis through issuing strategic policies that enhance a sustainable long-term growth, and not only address the very short term. This crisis shouls not damage the fundamemtals of american workforce proved as #1 worldwide. I love the US, and I dont wanna to see big mistakes that could end the us worldwide position.

N.M.
Strategic consultant
chicago, IL

> Prohibit “H-1B only” ads

This is unfair. I see daily, so many ads that mention “Citizens and Greencard Only” in their job postings.

Well it is about time…

Guest workers are currently here in the USA by the millions. They were/are brought in to replace American workers and drive down wages. They also provide a “bridge” to help big-business outsource more American jobs to cheap 3rd world countries.

This is all about big-business greed and “bought and paid for” bad US government policies designed to favor the rich. Our US big business and USA government’s unholy alliance is destroying American workers careers present and future prosperity by the millions…

US government policies have also resulted in a big-business / indian cartel in the IT sector. Let’s home our new President recognizes the severity of the issues, and starts representing working Americans with new and fair US government policies.

Finally a Bill for Americans and not Corporations.

Instead of blaming American education for not preparing students properly, and for not encouraging minorities and women to enter the engineering field, why not look at the real reason students no longer want to enter this field—no job prospects. With American engineers and computer programmers no longer able to compete against a huge influx of cheaper imported labor via H-1B and L-1 work visas, and with many more high-tech jobs going “offshore,” it's simple economics. Students do not want to invest many thousands of dollars studying in a field for which there are no job prospects.

Me and my IT colleagues lost our programming jobs when our company imported programmers and made the Americans train them in order to receive severance. The company posted LCA sheets as required by law, and thus, we learned that the visiting programmers are earning about half of their American counterparts. Whenever I contact my elected representatives, the Dept. of Labor and the Dept. of Commerce about this, their shoddy excuse is that Americans aren't educated enough or prepared enough or smart enough to do high tech. But I'm not surprised. That's what the corporations and the media tell them.

Myths:
1) These are Temporary (Guest) Worker Visas and NOT IMMIGRANT VISAS
2) They are paid the same wage as Americans, they are paid about 12,000 or more less
than their American counterparts
3) They are just average programmers and in fact some of them are incompetent
4) There is no labor shortage with millions of highly skilled Americans and Permanent Residents unemployed.
Hire local it's the American thing to do.

Greedy Companies use them to replace Americans with:

1) Cheap Foreign workers – These companies don't want to pay the prevailing wage.
2) Younger Foreign Workers – Those over 35 are discriminated because of their age.

Hire Americans and Permanent Residents. Help America.
Yet another sellout of the American worker, just so a few executives can make a few more million.

Hiring or continuing to employ an H1B worker (or any other VISA) in the US in our current time of crisis is un-American.

Thank you Jesus!

It's about time lawmakers saw the injustice th the U.S. workforce.

This country should first protect Americans and legal permanent residents. If you dont like it go back to your country where you are a citizen.

America is for Americans first and then Permanent Residents. Our citizens cannot suffer for the benefit of Foreigners and Greedy Corporations.

for temporary Foreign Guest Worker Visas NOW they have go home. If they are the smartest and brightest then they can help their native country.

But you are racists, protectionists and xenophrobes you will never let Americans take over
your IT industry like how you invaded ours.

We are not brought in here to replace Americans. We are entrepreneurs and we create companies. Over half of the tech firms in the last decade were started by immigrants so please get your facts rights! I am living proof of that. Clearly I should avoid you lot when you are looking for jobs since you resent us so much. ANd before you make some nonsense statement about speaking English, we the British gave you the language.

You should not make such sweeping statements and not be so small minded. We have to actually make far more than the market rate to pass the legal entry requirements anyway. We are not cheap labor! Then, companies have to spend about $20,000 per head in legal fees. If you are indeed better than I, why are you not hired as CEO of a start-up?

yes, first h1bs can start companies but they cannot be paid by those companies. Most of the companies that you have established are consulting companies that then try bring in more foreign workers.
Nobody pays that $20,000 per hear in legal fess, the actual cost is about $5K.

Thank You So much, this piece of evidence will help me a lot in my my big debate tournament coming up in the next 2 1/2 days. This years Resolution, is about India, My affirmative case is about Indian H1-bs And how we need more of them. This evidence on this page refutes the argument that says, companies abuse H1-Bs and that H1-Bs steal American jobs.

I will be debating the top teams of 5 states…. ITS A BIG TOURNAMENT

P.S. This is also good evidence because its dated 04-23-2009

YOU PEOPLE ROCK

I was just wondering, do you know why there is a cap on the H1-B visas?

Also, I'm not saying you take jobs, but can you explain the process of H1-Bs creating jobs, and how they dont take jobs.

I am 100% for you people (H1-Bs), Including India who gets 60-70% of the H1-Bs….

This will help you a lot in debate ;-)

http://www.desicrunch.com/Companies.aspx

http://goolti.com/

interesting… lets see the motives and the means:

Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa): Motive – re-election and raise enough funds; means – fear, anger, ask AIG to commit Harakiri. Nothing sells like fear – evidence is 2004 election.

H1Bs: Motives – Immigrate to US; Means – work, pay tax

Americans: Motives – get job; Means – work, pay tax

Companies: Motives – profit; Means – lower cost

Overall – American and H1B worker seems to have the right means.. rest all is debate. Finally – might is right.

You've got to ignore alot of evidence in order to support the H-1b visa program. Such as the erosion of wages, inability for H-1b workers to change jobs, the fact that the largest sponsors are Indian offshoring companies, and finally the sad history of fraud and abuse among the employers of H-1b visas.

You want to win the debate more than you want to be right. If your opponent knows half as much as you do about the H-1b program you will be crucified. You had better hope he is ignorant of the subject, as you apparently are.

I would murder you in a debate on this subject.

“We are entrepreneurs and we create companies.”

You obviously don't know much about the H-1b visa. You can't start your own business or be an entrepreneur on the H-1b visa because you must be sponsored by another company and cannot sponsor yourself. Of course immigrants contribute to our nation, but the H-1b visa is not a pro-immigrant solution. It is a pro-business solution. The H-1b holders are pawns.

Your statement is polyanish and based on fiction. Stick with the facts.

Has any H-1B holder ever asked himself “Why do companies and people like Bill Gates want a temporary non-immigrant visa for their indispensable workers? Why don't they lobby Congress to streamline the Green Card process for foreign workers?”

Answer: The want to make sure the H-1B worker does not have the freedom to change jobs, and will do anything the employer asks because he does not want to be deported. Americans can change jobs and they can't be deported.

If American Companies REALLY thought your were smarter than Americans, they would lobby Congress to allow you to stay in the United States permanently. American companies DO NOT WANT YOU AROUND when they are through with you, and they certainly don't want people complaining about low wages or 80-hour work weeks. You are the dream worker for American companies – you can't complain, and you are disposable. There are NO companies that are lobbying Congress to give Green Cards to programmers, but there are a TON of companies that want unlimited temporary non-immigrant visas. Why is that? Hmmmm…..

Chances are that an H-1B claiming to be a PhD or MD will say that they get paid very well, and they are needed in the United States. The percentage of H-!B workers with doctorate degrees is 10% of all H-!B workers. If PhD's and MD's were 90% of H-1B workers, it would be another story.

In my Case we solve
1. erosion of wages
2. fraud and abuse among the employers of H-1b visas.
3. we solve every harm out there, I'd kill you in a debate round

I run my case as a comparative advantage, If my case can bring the economy better advantages then the current Status Quo then I automatically win.

I've dominated the entire debate year 1st place every time I go affirmative, and I plan to make it to nationals again this year, where I'll be debating the top teams of all 50 states

Get you facts straight please before lying…..
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Labor/images/w…
From this link its clear for all of use; who got their facts straight….

I don't know where you get this information from Fred II, but Bill Gates and Microsoft as well as Oracle among many other huge tech firms have testified on countless times on the Green Card issue. You are all so anti-immigrant and so fixated on H1B's that you don't make it your business to really watch nor dig for the facts daily. Actually only about 50% of H1's are taken up by techies, the rest include nurses, doctors , actors and business people with international/global experience that barely any American has. That's why they hire us. Just a couple of weeks ago or so, the General Counsel at Microsoft wrote a scathing letter to the government and it was not all about H1b's. I suggest you get your facts right. We who are tortured by this immigration system perhaps read every thing that is published on the subject daily.

does not matter, these are not immigrant visas but temporary guest worker visas.
please don't confuse them.

Millions of Americans are unemployed and are capable of doing those jobs. So go home guest worker.

OK Anonymous,

Please provide some links to articles that describe how Bill Gates or any company is lobbying Congress for Green Cards instead of H-1Bs. I know what percentage are programmers, and 50% is plenty!

If you have ever taken Logic in college you know that a person cannot prove a negative. You are saying that companies are lobbying Congress for Green Cards (which should be an easily proved positive argument). Prove it.

I imagine that we will hear nothing about this, because it isn't true. I am perfectly happy to be proven wrong.

the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the Heritage Org are NASSCOM (funded by India) fronts that spread propaganda that are not proven. Alll of their data is biased and leans towards India their benefactor.

Millions of Americans need jobs – why bringin in Foreign workers to take American jobs -

dah – America is for American Citizens and Permanent Residents

I hope you fail and don't graduate since you are very Anti American.
Hiring H1bs when your countrymen need jobs is very un American.

The right column of picture in your link, is the percentage of US Citizens replaced by H1Bs.

bwahhahaha, they never create jobs….maybe displace Americans….from good paying job to now work…

Here's the Microsoft letter below.

http://microsoftontheissues.com/cs/blogs/mscorp…

“A recent study by the National Center for Education Statistics found that 39% of all Masters degrees in computer science from U.S. universities – and a startling 61% of PhDs – were earned by temporary residents. While there are some glimmers of hope that American enrollment in computer science programs may be increasing, it will take years of sustained progress. “

“While the number of visa holders is very small compared to the U.S. workforce, their contribution is huge. For example, last year 35 percent of Microsoft’s patent applications in the U.S. came from new inventions by visa and green card holders. The situation at other U.S. technology leaders is probably very similar. And a recent study found that for every H-1B position requested, U.S. technology companies increase their employment by 5 new jobs. “

FYI

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/menuitem…

BTW, they pay taxes too!

(Heard off, 'taxation without representation?)

Dear Anonymous,

I did a little research for you. Apparently, some tech companies want H-1Bs AND Green Cards. I'm sure that there are a few H-1Bs they want to keep, but, from what I've read, H-1B visas are the TOP PRIORITY for tech company lobbyists.

NO ONE is trying to replace the H-1B visa program with Green Cards. Please prove me wrong.

I can't provide articles Fred II. I monitor every piece of information via Google news which sends it to my email box and clearly it is impossible to keep all of it. Do you read and monitor Immigration news and the relevant Bills in Congress daily? Congressional testimonies are all public information so you'll have to dig in the congressional archives. (Now you want me to do your digging) What a joke!

Do you even know the archaic immigration Law and the process? Do you read any of the OMB reports? (Office of Management and Budget). Clearly you are just a biased whiner!

N.M.
That is exactly the type of response I would expect. Terrible english, and no one can tell what the hell you are trying to say. I am guessing that you are one of the 'best and the brightest' that was imported to this country to replace an American. These are exactly the types of responses that can show the average citizen what a joke the H1B program is. Yeah – we need more like you so that ” the fundamemtals of american workforce proved as #1 worldwide”.
Please post more responses

Guess you just don't want to admit we create jobs. You can't even do me the courtesy of acknowledging that I haven't taken a job from you. I and the founder of this next generation technology company are both immigrants. We have West Coast, East Coast and European offices. He is a PHD and I am a Masters from one of the top Universities in the world. So what's your damn point?

You had better be more worried about the illiterate illegals that are all going to be given Amnesty than us mere drop in the bucket qualified legals.

Over and out. Clearly when someone cannot argue rationally, it's a waste of time. But thanks for showing us your level of intelligence for the world to see.

As a founder of a next generation technology company, you have all the time in the world to reply to every response on this message board!!!

Stop your BS. Either you are a head hunter shamelessly trying to defend a fraudulent program, or a H1B candidate from those third rated consultancy companies that has 100% H1Bs.

There is nothing in the bill that hurts H1B candidate. Why are you upset?

Illegal immigrants are honest and hard working.

After displacing US Citizens of their jobs, now you expect to have 0% tax too on your earnings, in this country?

Him and his partner are the founder of “Forever liars and Nyms”. He wishes he founded a company.

You take jobs from Americans and that's it. So go home troll.

But Americans spend all of the money they make here in America, H1bs don't pay as much taxes as locals.

lies, lies, lies. You lie in your resumes and now even lie that the founder of Google is an H1b.
The founder of Google is an immigrant (not a guest worker) that grew up in America.

Funny the people that like the H1b Program are Indians that benefit from them by replacing Hard working Americans with cheap labor. These guest workers are just average programmers and most of them are incompetent (cannot communicate and have falsified their resumes).

They always say they are immigrants but the H1b and L1 visas are not immigrant visas but
temporary visas.
Majority of the companies that use these visas are INDIAN consulting companies with
one purpose the outsource American jobs to India.

hmm…. a reflection of you…

Spouting unadulterated balderdash like above from other end of alimentary canal?

H1Bs pay all taxes as a citizen with would including social security and medicare.

The right column is an indicator of how many US Citizens are more interested in American Idol than gaining post grad degrees.

Yeah right! And Obama outsourced his Presidency to Prime Minister of India?

This is your rebuttal to the other poster?

And you want a skilled job?

reform h1 and l1 visas
result-companies stop hiring them,instead of hiring Americans they offshore all the work.
next stop off-shoring
result-companies will start their bases in other countries to sustain market
finally there wont be any company in us to hire Americans .
” hard working “Americans happy…

Indian Government l—-et's reform the Indian Import laws. Let's make it mandatory for Indian Citizens to do a “good faith” attempt and get a $2000 certificate that they could not get any other car ( indian ,japnense & european) and then only buy American Cars. Let's so how this will be percieved by Detriot which already on its last leg.

We can expand this program to other areas and make sure we only import from US if the American company calls itself a MNC and is not headquartered in America.

Thanks Grassley and Durban for these ideas. May be my new governement will pick this up,

Smooth talking among inexperienced people doesn't prove much, so let's not get too big of an ego.

To your points:

1. erosion of wages
The current system erodes wages. You would have to disprove the law of supply and demand if you want to prove that you can prevent the erosion of wages.

2. fraud and abuse among the employers of H-1b visas.
There is rampant fraud and abuse. The Durbin-Grassley legislation tackles much of this. However, this will never go away so long as profit is the motivating factor in immigration. Immigration should be about building new members of our society, not about a temporary and indentured workforce.

3. we solve every harm out there, I'd kill you in a debate round
I've been researching this issue for years. Although I'm not a debater, I have much more knowledge on this topic than you. Smooth talk will only get you so far.

Indians don't buy American cars anyways. We have this thing called a TRADE DEFICIT with India. India would lose in a trade war because we buy much more from you than you buy from us.

So good luck with that.

Finally, we are talking about humans, not commodities. Oh, that's right. Your ilk believes that humans should be traded just like cattle and corn.

You won't be very successful offshoring without feet on the ground. The cost to offshore will go up because you will be forced to hire more expensive labor. In short, good-bye Infosys. Nice knowing you.

Why do all these companies referred in the link http://www.desicrunch.com/Companies.aspx, trying to hide their true identity that they are Indian owned consultancy companies?

All of them, show photographs of mostly Americans on their web sites.

Why are they reluctant to show their own photographs proudly, as job creators in this country?

Look , H-1B is non-immigrant visa, but then again is there any feasible immigrant visa one can get after ta person got PhD from MIT?

Look: 42% (2583 of 6146) of graduate student at MIT is foreigners.
http://web.mit.edu/facts/international.html
http://web.mit.edu/facts/enrollment.html

the only way these MIT MS and PhD can stay and contribute to US is by H-1B visa…. ask anyone at MIT, this is true.

these people's research, tuition and stipend probably came from government (US tax), once trained, they have to go back home (work for foreign company) and compete with american..

and yet there is plan to give amnesties to the illegal immigrants. I guess uneducated illegal is better than non-immigrant MIT PhD from american point of view.. (disclaimer: i have nothing against the illegals, they are nice people)

Good luck w/ ur country, logic and reasoning will prevail in the long run..

Do you know what your talking about?

Hard working americans?….
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/more_amer…

You guys don't work hard………

You don't know anything about the H1-Bs, all you know is the bad myths about them.

Without question,the most desirable immigrants are those who come here legally, invest in the economy & create employment for US citizens.

That describes E2 investors, of which I am one.

We have Dick Durbin willing to stand up for changes in the law that will affect H-1B & L1 visa holders, as well as pushing hard to make the DREAM Act a reality, but he is not interested in helping E2 investors to gain permanent residence, which would encourage them to invest further and create more jobs.

Where are this man's priorities?

codecorner – L1 is NOT a non-immigant visa. It leads directly to green cards for the principal visa holder and his immediate family, even though they are supposed to have a viable business in another country, so why should they be given green cards?

Why your own workforce is so uninterested in technology particularly IT? I agree and admire that US people here have plenty of high paying career options to choose from, unlike India. But it's just because companies don't find qualified locals to fill in these positions they look outside and H1bs.
It's baseless to say Americans don't work hard or Indians are not smart programmers.
Just because the economy is bad people have got this attention and no doubt such laws could have to do with political mileage as well. Recently DOL made report stating the total percentage of H1B in US workforce is 0.18%. But this much is enough to sale among the people who just elected a very new government.

Now you are telling us how to run our government and how our voted should work for their constituents.
Maybe time to take your money, pack up and go home.

Hey MIT PHD, if you are so good, go back home to India. They need you there.

hey Indian,
you guys are cheap only buy second hand toyota corollas. sometimes a second hand hyundai. one thing also why dont you clean and vacuum your cars once in a while.

even if we don't work hard (your lies) this is still our country and not yours – guest worker.

yes, this is our country – go home guest worker.

It's about time. I bet this passes and will be good for the country.

Why are such bills introduced when the market is falling and when economy is in turmoil…! Its just a way the congress wants to win heart of americans… ! the root of the problem is not H-1 visa hoolders its the scarcity of jobs which has led to employement…. ! and H-1 visa holders are not be blammed for this …. its because of h-1 visa holders that US economy was booming … now when they are having losses why are h-1 holders to be blammed….

Discussing on this message board is not going to help us. Please contact your congressmen and senators, request them to vote for this critical bill, as soon as possible.

Actually, the bill is still very lenient to the H1B companies. The bill is just a slap on their wrist. It does not hurn the ethical H1B companies.

The temporary immigrants are writing to Senators enmasse, highlighting their cause. I guess, there must be over 100K petitions already submitted by them.

It is our responsibility too, to highlight our concern. I already submitted my petition last week.

http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.ph…

What is wrong in fixing a broken system, that has caused thousands of job losses every month, to US Citizens.

If you are really skilled and not working through those unethical consultancy/staffing firms, that this bill is targetting, you need have to worry.

I think, you also should write to our senator and request them to support the bill.

I am going back home really soon after I finished my PhD in a few month. but I am not from either India nor China. Stop bashing on these two countries.

I wont steal your job, you can keep it. I'll work my butt off on the other side of the planet, let us compete. our kids will find out who the winners.

I don't want to spend day and nite working in the lab (like right now at MIT) for medical purposes just to benefit people like you who hate me anyway. Plus, I don't want my kids (2nd generation) to hate the very people like me (1st generation).

Sayonara, if you come to my side of the planet, you'll get the same treatment..

I have sent letters to both my senators and congressman.

As a VOTING constituent, I will be watching to see if they realize what side their bread is buttered on.

I'm sure they were approached by

you are so sick!!…99% of work force has americans who are hard working.1%h1bs who are hard working too. but lazy ppl like u dont want to work hard (hence laid off) ,but want a pay check which is unfair on those hard working ppl.

hey codecorner stop complaining like a baby. Whom do u call cheap when u r acting like one. we buy second hard toyoto corolla and you buy mercedes benz when u cant even afford one and when u guys are now facing the consequences for your irresponsible behaviour you try to blame others for what happened to you I pity you. Thats how a selfish and unethical person behaves. Let me put some facts in front of you. Most of the 6million unemployement claims in USA are because of job cuts in manufacturing and other sectors. IT is the least hit. And indian companies only hired 12500 out of the 65000 H1B Visa quota. Out of the 12500 most of them are not yet in USA only 60-70% of them made it to here. And now u guys start to complain on H1B well Hello wake up dude H1B workers have not taken any of those manufacturing or banking jobs. You guys are just trying to coverup your failure by blaming others that shows your cunning and selfish attitude. First try to identify the problem rather then just jumping to conclusions and blaming others for your irresponsible acts.

I dont understand how illiterate are you guys and claim you guys can stand on your own feet. Well hello wake up Americans itself dont buy american cars and you are complaining indians dont buy american cars. Very funny.

Well let me tell you one thing you guys say H1B is replaing ameriacn IT Workers(which unfortunately is not true) did you see most of the ads in various job sites which have 'only US Citizens” and still active as they are unable to get a qualified American worker for the last 6 months. Here Indians are not replacing american IT workers its not true its a rumour created by a bunch of lazy american guyS who got laid off because they dont do work at office and only create such rumors. i hope you are not one of them and educated enough to understand the hard truth.Well H1B is not replacing any of the manufacturing, retail sectors jobs in america which is the most hit. H1B has nothing to do with that. First think of creating jobs in those sectors which are most hit rather than creating such baseless rumors.

As far as trade war is concerned dude american market is already saturated if u guys want any chance of growing your economy it comes from the biggest market in the world thats India. Well go to the websites of your so called american senator heros and see they are trying to get more trade with India because thats the chance for you guys to bring your economy up.

http://grassley.senate.gov/blog/

So try to learn the facts before complaining on others for your failure.

Millins of americans needs jobs and only a few thousand are those umemployeed are IT Professionals rest all are from other sectors which does not come in the scope of H1B and you guys are complaining that those jobs losses are due to H1B workers thats such a stupid debate and you say you guys are are qualifiedenough to replace a high skilled worker from India.

Your rant is amusing, but incorrect. I have a job and work hard; yet I believe the H1B and L1 visa system needs major reforms.

This guy didn't go to MIT.

There are several points that have been raised here. Here are my two cents on some of 'em.

1) Immigrant owned bodyshops cause wage-depression, exploitation of temp-workers, abuse and defraud the already weak immigration system. I have observed it too closely to go wrong.

2) Immigration Law is almost designed to promote fraud.

3) There are no clear general indicators whether American OR non-American workers are smarter than the other. But if hand-picked non-American workers CAN constitute a smarter population. Note “IF hand-picked”, bodyshops don't hand-pick. It's common-sense, no need of any nationalism here.

4) Displacement of American workers does happen but isn't the norm. Moreover, in an all-out capitalist system, what else can you expect? They don't think “American Worker/non-American Worker”, they think about “lowering the cost of quality human capital”. By quality I don't mean “best and the brightest” which is nothing more than a punchline but adequate quality that would suffice to do the job. How can we demand selective capitalism?

5) This bill does solve some issues but it's primarily targeted at appeasing voters rather than overhauling a defective system.

6) Because of globalization and aging of the IT industry demand/supply equation of knowledge worker isn't the same. So, wages are expected to decline in the long run, no need to be sore about it.

So guys, try to look at the issues objectively and don't let this be a place for expressing personal grudges.

Who can guess from my post which side of theline I belong two :-)

Kick all H-1B visa holders at TARP receiving GARBAGE corporations to the curb for starters. ie amex, bofa, shittybank the welfare queens of american style government for SALE capitalism !

Thank God, Our Senators will save the Day. It's about time the middle class gets a Stimulus. Cancel the Guest Worker Visas and put highly skilled Americans that are unemployed back to work.

With Millions of Americans unemployed we don't need GUEST workers. These are temporary workers that are not needed. Greedy companies use them to displace Americans with cheap labor and younger workers. God Bless America.

We do need H-1B reform. We need to reform a program that lets American companies discriminate against American citizens.

And Sen. Charles Grassley’s S.877 H–1B and L–1 Visa Reform Act of 2009 (http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s887/show) will go a long way in ending this sordid practice of denying Americans the opportunity to compete for hi-tech jobs.

The reality is that many Indian H-1Bs are unemployed and are exploited by their fellow expats.

“The San Jose Mercury News notes that the fastest growing group of illegal immigrants comes not from a Spanish-speaking country but rather from India. “
http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2008/02/th…

By law, unemployed H-1Bs must be flown home at the employers expense. From posts I read on immigrationvoice.org, this is not happening. This law will help end the Indian-on-Indian exploitation that is rampant in the offshoring business.

S.887 puts harsh restrictions on companies that hire H-1Bs, and we will one day laugh about the existence of a legal construct that empowers his companies to reject hi-tech workers for jobs merely because they are Americans.

And for fighting the American IT workers' battle, you can find the information about collaborator pimps and wh0res at my website:
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Alright….this is just a question…..and i'd like someone level-headed to answer…..don't attack me personally just because i'm not American……..I want to know how this affects us foreigners who're doing their undergrad in reputed universities in the United States (I'm at Rice University), and who will most certainly apply for H-1B's on graduation. And for the record, I don't think too much of all those idiots who come to the US, join those fraudulent consultancy companies and become their slaves, just so that they can stay in this country.

lol…….you idiotic bigot………you get funnier and funnier…….post here more often please.

haha…..couldnt agree with you more……..CodeCorrector for President! lol…….then poor guys like Jay Leno will have fodder for their jokes again…..

read this article… if senators really wanted to reform h1B visa program they would have taken these points into consideration. All they care about is votes…. why is every amendment against skilled worker class and not in their favor.

“Senators Durbin-Grassley: When will we get our Reform Bill?” –> http://us-non-immigrants.blogspot.com/2009/06/s…

read this article… if senators really wanted to reform h1B visa program they would have taken these points into consideration. All they care about is votes…. why is every amendment against skilled worker class and not in their favor.

“Senators Durbin-Grassley: When will we get our Reform Bill?” –> http://us-non-immigrants.blogspot.com/2009/06/s…

read this article… if senators really wanted to reform h1B visa program they would have taken these points into consideration. All they care about is votes…. why is every amendment against skilled worker class and not in their favor.

“Senators Durbin-Grassley: When will we get our Reform Bill?” –> http://us-non-immigrants.blogspot.com/2009/06/s…

read this article… if senators really wanted to reform h1B visa program they would have taken these points into consideration. All they care about is votes…. why is every amendment against skilled worker class and not in their favor.

“Senators Durbin-Grassley: When will we get our Reform Bill?” –> http://us-non-immigrants.blogspot.com/2009/06/s…

wow…I am really really entertained by some of the pathetic racist wannabe comments I see here.

First of all, a little humanity and courtesy lesson, you should be nice to your guests.Don't blame them for your own problems, created by your very own people like your president, your congress etc. Who do you think all these laws, regulations coming from? H1 visa holders? Learn about your country's development history before you open your mouth.

Second of all, there is no such a thing like it is our country, as some historically retarded ppl claimed here. If you want to go back that far, you should go back to the Europe which you have been kicked out from or dragged here with great promises, and leave North America to its true owners, American Indians. Heard of them?? God, and I wonder why everybody around the world hates us more and more everyday. Thanks to my country men.

By the way well put, MIT guy. I don't care where you are, but I totally agree with your point of view. Trust me if every foreign national scientist gets offended and leaves US, the next war they are gonna fight will be probably with sticks.

Big OIl companies like BP in Houston and else where are replacing jobs done by Americans by H1 visa holders from Infosys. For example look at Field of the Future team. American employees had to quit so that it can be outsourced to Infosys. These jobs are not going to India but being done in Houston by H1 visa holders. Can we save America?

If you are still reviewing and monitoring this posting, here is something you need to consider; especially coming from firsthand experience.

First let me say the regulatory and Department of Labor oversight is an excellent idea, as we do not need to stop the H1B visa program, the issue is not the program it is the abuse and there is serious abuse.

The program was created to help America bring in “UNIQUE” skill and not as an alternate cost mitigation base to displace the US labor market.

This is not an IMMIGRATION issue and should not be misconstrued as such; Take it from this immigrant who assimilated in the US legally and became part of the US dynamic market.

The H1B visa program like every other provision requires checks and balances and is susceptible to abuse by greedy Board of Executives, investors and CEO racing to the bottom line.

This is the old fundamental struggle and tussle between Labor and Management, only this time it is no longer the blue collar worker.

This problem has now encompassed the very same level of management that used to be the axe man for the executives.

The ultimate goal has always been and will continue to be, break the back of labor force in US so that executives can reap profits while they continue to lose respect for the US labor force and their expertise.

This is purely exploitation and abuse period.

1. This all boil down to $$$$$$ Dollars…
2. The Model is simple. Replace a local American labor market with cheap labor from abroad period.
3. The big 5 consulting firms are consolidating the market as we speak by signing EXCLUSIVE contract with American companies for major projects and engagements.
4. They then create a subsidiary abroad to fill in the open positions created by the contract with the American firms.
5. Then fill the positions in mainland US with their H1B visa employees form their subsidiary.
6. The jobs and consulting positions require Bachelors, sometime Masters and are most often not posted for application.
7. The cost of American Graduate labor is higher that of China, India, Taiwan, Bangladesh etc. So the automatic decision is cost and nothing but cost. This has nothing to do with Skill and/or qualification.

I want to report a scam organized by one of the Vice President of Hitachi Consulting and will appreciate any help you could provide. In this economic recession where we have job losses; the Vice President of Hitachi Consulting by name of Roberto Kristen has managed to hire his brother Lincoln Kristen on H1B visa for Hitachi Consulting few months back. Further, Lincoln Kristen hired as Senior Manager is working as a Technical Lead on a project in Naperville, IL at Eby-Brown Company. This job of Technical Lead was originally handled by citizen of USA who had more skill set than Lincoln Kristen in the required Technology. Lincoln Kristen has very little knowledge in the Technology for which he is Technical Lead. Also, Roberto Kristen from his network has parted with another company to fill H1B workers/programmers in various roles on Hitachi Consulting projects.

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I am h1b holder now have to go back home as of visa reform movement. I love USA and don't want to leave. I am used to toilets now. No want to shit in field anymore.

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It is unpatriotic and morally wrong to hire a foreigner over us citizen at any cost. As we can’t replace our politician with best and bright politician from other country so should not we replace our workers.

This is a very late comment, but it’s important to note that the H-1B visa program is undercutting American universities.

A kid getting a U.S. degree is spending more money and taking on more debt than a kid getting the same degree in India, for example. Therefore, the graduate with the U.S. degree MUST HAVE a higher starting salary in order to cover her/his school debt.

So… U.S. firms hire foreign grads because they are able to work more cheaply than U.S. grads. What does this do to U.S. schools?

We need to work towards eliminating the H-1B program in order to restore marketability to grads of U.S. universities and colleges, AND to compel industries who need more grads with technical degrees to sponsor programs to train U.S. citizens at U.S. schools, instead of importing less-expensive graduates from beyond our borders.

The people are VERY MUCH in favor of Durbin/Grassley bill 887. Who would be against reducing fraud and abuse other than employers and pimps that depend on fraud and abuse?

Our Govt should think about its people.

H1B visa was started to fill the “temporary shortage”. It should not have been continued. Now It has become 800lb Gorilla killing all american workers jobs.

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