Controversy Grows Over Torture Prosecutions
Thursday, April 23, 2009 at 12:25 pm
As civil rights and grassroots advocates step up the pressure on Attorney General Eric Holder to prosecute former Bush officials for authorizing torture, Congress appears increasingly divided over the issue.
Sens. Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) and even John McCain (R-Ariz.) — the nation’s most famous torture victim — on Wednesday released a joint statement saying that prosecuting Bush administration officials for their legal opinions would have a “deeply chilling effect” on future administrations receiving legal advice. And an investigatory commission, they said, would “focus on the mistakes of the past” instead of “looking forward to solutions.”
Meanwhile, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) reiterated his call for a bipartisan “Commission of Inquiry”, and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) wrote to President Obama urging him to consider prosecuting both the lawyers who provided legal justification and some of those who carried out the techniques they sanctioned.
At the grassroots level, the American Civil Liberties Union, Moveon.org, Democrats.com, Firedoglake.com, the Center for Constitutional Rights and a broad coalition of other advocacy groups will present Holder with petitions this afternoon, containing over 250,000 signatures, demanding that an independent prosecutor be appointed to conduct a criminal investigation of the use of torture.
As I noted in my story this morning, Obama has not ruled out prosecutions of the lawyers and architects of abusive interrogation policies, saying it will be up to Holder to decide how to proceed. Still, it seems clear from his recent statements that he’d prefer to avoid a full-blown investigation, be it criminal or congressional.
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Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 10:13 am
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Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 10:38 am
The idea that investigating torture and prosecuting those that ordered it would have a “deeply chilling effect”, blah blah blah. is nonsense.
First the OLC issued its torture opinions after being told what to say. That would create a huge chill on any reputable lawyer but not on a prostitute lawyer.
Second, where the advice and the action are blatantly legal why is chilling it bad?
Politicians feel they are free to weigh in on everything whether qualified, biased or just need to be in the national spotlight. The news media then gives big coverage to the comments with bigger coverage for the more outrageous comments.
If politicians are going to spout off, and if the media is going to comment then let them do some homework and tell the public what the law says, how or why it does not apply and then their opinion.
I'm sick of listening to all the reasons why we should torture, and no one seems to be saying its against International law, its against US law, and its against moral behavior. EVERYONE that seems to have expertise says it does not give reliable intel. Everyone except Cheney and his minions.
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 12:16 pm
It will be people like you who when we are attacked again cry and accuse the governmental agencies of not doing enough to keep us safe.
The methods that are being used are no way close to the torture and the treatment that our soldiers get if they are captured. Beheading well we should just say “How terrible” we tie the hands of those that can help and keep us safe.
If you knew that a suspected terrorist had information about an attack and that the attack that is planned would kill your son, daughter, mother, father or someone else that you love and the only way to obtain that information is through enhanced interrogation techniques would you use it?
I think the answer would be yes! You would do anything to keep your family and loved ones safe, so why do you not want the government to do all it can to keep us safe?
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Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 1:26 pm
Except for the fact that THIS HAS NEVER EVER HAPPENED EXCEPT ON TELEVISION YOU NUT! Jiminy Christmas you are a bloodthirsty murderous bunch of savages over there on the right, looking for any reason to chuck the rules of civilization and decency and become the Lord of the Flies kids. There is always risk in life, every single minute of every day from the moment the wigglers hit the egg until the flies are chewing on your carcass, you have no guarantees.
You would cry foul if anyone ever tried to hold Republicans accountable for their criminal and treasonous behavior anyway thanks to your magic ideology blinder glasses, so WTF? We know Bush blew off the guys who warned him about 9/11, and we know his peeps demanded torture to get the answers they wanted because who cares about brown skinned foreigners?
The definition of a liberal is a person who wants their government to live up to its promises sometimes, even a little. Conservatives are lower than a used car salesman's lawyer hanging out in the emergency room.
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 2:09 pm
Oh no, not another tail wags the dog distraction, with an investigation of fthe alleged torture incidents. What's next, an investigation of steriod use among horse trainers or basketball players?
Congress! Keep your eye on the ball! This Country is in far more serious economic trouble than anyone cares to admit. Address the real problems of the Nation, and stop looking for distractions in an attempt to dodge the enormous problems facing us all.
Millions of ordinary people have lost their jobs and homes and are being EMOTIONALLY TORTURED AS THEY FEAR FOR THE WELL-BEING OF THEIR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN! People are literally dying because of the Greater Depression which is now upon us. Stop dealing with the trivial, and playing politics; this Country is in deep, deep financial trouble.. President Obama certainly gets it; but not the entrenched members of Congress who could care less about the Country and only want to extract their pound of flesh from the former Bush Administration. Follow the lead of the President and stay focused on the Nation's dire financial situation; the two wars in the Middle and Near East; illegal immigration; health care and social security challenges; alternative energy imparatives, global warming, disease, the out of control prison population growth; greed among Wall Street Capitalists, etc. Keep your eye on the real problems of the Country, and get on with trying to save this great Democracy. Read your Roman History, and put your fiddles and violins away. Please, don't waste valuable time and resources in an effort to go, “one up,” on the former Administration. This Great Republic is on the brink of disaster, and needs extraordinary leadership by BOTH the President and the Congress. It would serve Congress well too, to heed the words of one of most famous fore-fathers: namely, Thomas Jefferson.
Post Script: Speaking of Torture, there is talk of a new TV reality show where Contestants face ever increasing acts of Torture for really, “big bucks.” Can't be any worse than the free-for-all fighting style that is taking place on national TV today.
Prison Guards, Police, the Military, High School and College Coaches, and even School Principals and Parents, have been grabing their charges around the neck and bouncing them off the wall and lockers from time to time. No outrage over those incidents. Congressional members seem to have forgotten too, the hazing that has been going on in Frat Houses for over 100 years. Get a grip; spend your time and OUR RESOURSES trying to save this Great Republic.
The Investigation of the Torture of the War Criminals held at Gitmo is strickly political. Again Congress, please find a way to ease our emotional pain and torture inflicted upon us by the failure of both capitalism and our federal government, and DO IT NOW! Jack Bogle recently said as much in a recently published professional article.
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 9:09 pm
Oh no, not another tail wags the dog distraction, with an investigation of fthe alleged torture incidents. What's next, an investigation of steriod use among horse trainers or basketball players?
Congress! Keep your eye on the ball! This Country is in far more serious economic trouble than anyone cares to admit. Address the real problems of the Nation, and stop looking for distractions in an attempt to dodge the enormous problems facing us all.
Millions of ordinary people have lost their jobs and homes and are being EMOTIONALLY TORTURED AS THEY FEAR FOR THE WELL-BEING OF THEIR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN! People are literally dying because of the Greater Depression which is now upon us. Stop dealing with the trivial, and playing politics; this Country is in deep, deep financial trouble.. President Obama certainly gets it; but not the entrenched members of Congress who could care less about the Country and only want to extract their pound of flesh from the former Bush Administration. Follow the lead of the President and stay focused on the Nation's dire financial situation; the two wars in the Middle and Near East; illegal immigration; health care and social security challenges; alternative energy imparatives, global warming, disease, the out of control prison population growth; greed among Wall Street Capitalists, etc. Keep your eye on the real problems of the Country, and get on with trying to save this great Democracy. Read your Roman History, and put your fiddles and violins away. Please, don't waste valuable time and resources in an effort to go, “one up,” on the former Administration. This Great Republic is on the brink of disaster, and needs extraordinary leadership by BOTH the President and the Congress. It would serve Congress well too, to heed the words of one of most famous fore-fathers: namely, Thomas Jefferson.
Post Script: Speaking of Torture, there is talk of a new TV reality show where Contestants face ever increasing acts of Torture for really, “big bucks.” Can't be any worse than the free-for-all fighting style that is taking place on national TV today.
Prison Guards, Police, the Military, High School and College Coaches, and even School Principals and Parents, have been grabing their charges around the neck and bouncing them off the wall and lockers from time to time. No outrage over those incidents. Congressional members seem to have forgotten too, the hazing that has been going on in Frat Houses for over 100 years. Get a grip; spend your time and OUR RESOURSES trying to save this Great Republic.
The Investigation of the Torture of the War Criminals held at Gitmo is strickly political. Again Congress, please find a way to ease our emotional pain and torture inflicted upon us by the failure of both capitalism and our federal government, and DO IT NOW! Jack Bogle recently said as much in a recently published professional article.
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