Civil War Raging in Right-Wing Blogosphere

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Tuesday, April 21, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Charles Johnson (YouTube)

Charles Johnson (YouTube)

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, jazz musician and Web designer Charles Johnson has devoted his blog, Little Green Footballs, to exposing Muslim extremism in and outside the United States. His targets have included the Council on American-Islamic Relations, filmmaker Michael Moore, Reuters, Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.), Dan Rather, and the late pro-Palestinian activist Rachel Corrie — who some LGF commenters (not Johnson) call “St. Pancake,” a tribute to the Israeli steamroller that killed her. LGF helped write the lexicon of the self-styled “anti-Jihadist” blogosphere — from “moonbat” (“an unthinking or insane leftist”) to “anti-idiotarian” (“anyone who grasps the significance of and does his or her best to combat the post-9/11 political alliance between the ‘Old Left’ and militant Islam”).

Image by: Matt Mahurin

Image by: Matt Mahurin

But in the early days of Barack Obama’s presidency, LGF has become better known for the various fights it picks with many on the right — including conservative bloggers, critics of Islamic extremism, and critics of Islam in general who used to be Johnson’s fellow travelers.

Johnson has blasted Fox News host Glenn Beck, promoting a video from a Beck-inspired party that shows conservatives ranting about evolution and arguing that “this turn toward the extreme right on the part of Fox News is troubling, and will achieve nothing in the long run except further marginalization of the GOP.” In response to the news that the Department of Homeland Security was watching for increased right-wing extremism — something that most of the conservative blogosphere, like most Republicans, responded to with angry ridicule — Johnson pointed to the recent arrests of right-wing terrorists and criticized bloggers for buying into “distorted claims” about the DHS report. When Obama genuflected before King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, Johnson found archival video of President Bush bowing to take a medal from the King and urged conservatives to turn down their “hyperventilating nonsense.”

This has the blogger’s peers asking themselves the same question, over and over: What the heck happened to Charles Johnson?

“I don’t think I’ve changed,” Johnson said. “I’ve always been pretty independent. This is something I’ve really tried to put out there on my blog. I don’t consider myself right-wing.”

It sounds strange coming from a blogger who played an underrated role in forcing CBS News to back down from its 2004 story on President George W. Bush’s Texas Air National Guard service, and whose first reaction to Obama’s election in November — after a quick post congratulating him — was to note that the Muslim Brotherhood, “the world’s largest jihadist organization,” was pleased.

Johnson supported Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in 2008, but he spent some of the campaign attacking anti-Obama conspiracy theorists, and he rejected the idea   designs were malicious, rather than merely naive. Johnson worries, in conversation and on his blog, that his old allies have been duped by far-right European political parties and have bought into wild attacks on the president that discredit their own causes.

“I don’t think there is an anti-jihadist movement anymore,” Johnson said. “It’s all a bunch of kooks. I’ve watched some people who I thought were reputable, and who I trusted, hook up with racists and Nazis. I see a lot of them promoting stories and causes that I think are completely nuts.”

Johnson’s disgust with the terrorism-focused conservative blogosphere has had a traumatic effect on a dogged and dogmatic community of bloggers and scholars. When Johnson began blogging about Islam and terrorism after 9/11, he inspired untold other supporters of an aggressive war on terror to start their own Websites, link up, and push back against “Dhimmitude” — organizations and foreign policy decision makers that were “soft” on terrorism. Now, some of his followers have started blogs that track Johnson’s “madness,” while a video that portrays Johnson as Adolf Hitler going mad in his bunker makes the rounds.

“He’s the reason I started blogging,” said Atlas Shrugs editor Pamela Geller, a New Yorker who says she was “mugged by Sept. 11″ and started reading LGF for news and fellowship. “I wrote birthday messages to him. I respected and admired him.”

Robert Spencer, the director of JihadWatch and the author of the bestselling, “Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam,” had an established career as a critic of militant Islam before he met Johnson. “But right after 9/11, he was the only one out there reporting on this,” Spencer said. “He built my Website. I learned how to blog from reading his stuff.”

Johnson has turned hard against Spencer and Geller, attacking the former for joining a “genocidal Facebook group,” while referring to the latter as a “shrieking lunatic,” and labeling both of them “hatebloggers.” Johnson now points to Geller’s posts about Barack Obama’s heritage and her quest to fund a headstone for the victim of a Muslim honor killing as proof that “the woman is deranged.” Other bloggers in the movement have been purged from Johnson’s blogroll or pilloried on the site, never to be mentioned again. The most successful sites that arose in LGF’s wake, including Gateway Pundit, Gates of Vienna, and Brussels Journal, are also on the outs.

While Johnson’s own blog was a launchpad for the movement and his comment sections have often been a place for anti-Muslim and anti-liberal rage — one Web quiz lets users guess whether a quote comes from “Little Green Footballs or Late German Fascists” — Johnson believes that LGF is now policed for fringe activity. “A lot of the people most responsible for causing our bad reputation are now gone,” he said. “I wrote all the backend software, and I have ways of cleaning up the site.”

Johnson’s former allies can pinpoint the month, if not the moment, when he started to turn on them. In October 2007, some of the leading terrorism-focused conservative bloggers flew to Belgium for a Counterjihad Summit sponsored in part by the Center for Vigilant Freedom (now the International Civil Liberties Alliance), an outgrowth of the LGF-inspired blog Gates of Vienna.

“It was the best conference I ever went to,” remembered Geller. But the summit included members of Vlaams Belang, a controversial Belgian political party that criticizes Islam and Shariah law, and had been attacked within the Netherlands for its connections to extremism and racism. Johnson went to work exposing this, and the attendees reeled from the negative attention.

“He chose to portray the Brussels Conference as evil and he unconscionably slandered the people who attended,” said Dymphna, one of the editors of Gates of Vienna. Baron Bodissey, the other site editor (both editors use pen names), worries that Johnson “did serious damage to the American blogosphere’s view of European nationalists who oppose the EU, even those who have no anti-Semitic tendencies.”

“Not only that,” said Bodissey, “he made it harder for certain American anti-jihad groups to raise funds if they failed to repudiate his designated ‘fascist-enablers’ like us.”

Johnson is unapologetic about his actions. While he was attacking the attendees of the Counterjihad Summit, he was also blasting Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) for taking money from, and being photographed with, the owner of the extremist Web site Stormfront.org.

“Some people at that summit in Belgium were not people we should have been associated with,” Johnson said, pointing out that since 2007 the terrorism-focused conservative bloggers have become supporters of Dutch politician Geert Wilders , who wants to outlaw Islam in his country. “Some of these people outright want to ban Islam from the United States, which I think is crazy, completely nuts. That’s not something we do in this country. These people will outright defend banning the Koran or deporting Muslims. That’s popular with the Geller/Spencer crowd.”

When they talk about Johnson today, the rest of the terrorism-focused bloggers alternate between anger and regret. He has smeared them, they say, and according to Dymphna he’s “destroyed a lot of networking that was beginning to emerge” between American and European critics of Islamic extremism. “He’s really gone off the deep end,” Geller said, pointing to Johnson’s more and more frequent criticisms of creationists, such as the attack on the anti-evolution, Glenn Beck-inspired event, which made the host angry enough to lash out at LGF on his show. “He’s a leftist blogger now.”

Johnson brushes that criticism aside. “A lot of people think I discovered this creationism thing overnight,” he said, “but that’s not true. I was posting about this before 9/11. After 9/11 I had other things on my mind. And now I’ve come back to it.” But Spencer accuses Johnson of losing sight of the threat of extremist Islam by obsessing over the American religious right and equating the two faiths.

“There is no global movement of Christians trying to subjugate the world,” Spencer said. “There is such a movement on the extreme of Islam. I wrote a book called ‘Religion of Peace’ — which Johnson wrote a favorable review of — and I looked, and didn’t find, Christian extremists who were trying to replace the Constitution with Biblical law. They’re a myth. They’re the Santa Claus of the left.”

Some of Johnson’s former allies experienced a decrease in traffic numbers when he started attacking them, but they all now feel they’ve recovered from the break. “LGF tried to destroy my reputation so I wouldn’t have the access I have to my sources in law enforcement and academia,” said Spencer, “but that hasn’t happened.”

Geller has rebounded with increased prominence — she was a guest on the Fox News show “Red Eye” last week — and she said she has survived the “besmirching” of her reputation and she now fills the information-spreading role that Johnson once did. “I get my stuff from people on the inside,” she said, “from people in Europe. I field 800-900 emails a day. We all depend on our readers for these tips. That’s where Charles was getting his stuff. And now he’s cracked and he’s not getting that anymore.”

Johnson brushes off that kind of criticism. LGF is his site, and if it has to name names and shame the people who are debasing the movement against extremist Islam, he’ll do it. “I’ve definitely seen an uptick in craziness since the election,” he sighs. “Well, I don’t know if Geller got crazier. She always was nuts.”

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612 Comments

Dennis
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 10:23 am

Minor quibble (well, people from the Netherlands might see it differently), but Vlaams Belang is a Belgian party, not Dutch.


David Weigel
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 10:27 am

Thanks, Dennis.


Andrew Ian Dodge
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 11:10 am

Charles Johnson has never claimed to be “right-wing” and clearly has great fear he might be seen as so (the fringe elements in his comments section might have something to do with this fear).

Its sad to see the counter-Jihad/Islamist activists doing this to each other. Alas Charles has no experience with the situation on the ground in Europe and still views these things from an idealistic purist view of how the scourge has to be fought.

The spat be damned I will continue to read all the sites listed above.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 11:47 am

This was truly a fascinating peek into the world of blogging, but I still don't care. However, it might be helpful to point out that the Glenn Beck-related video was a smear, and one that Johnson pushed. When it was pointed out to him that the “burn” part of it was obviously from a plant, he simply directed people to the other, presumably non-plant parts of the video. That's the Weigel-level of reporting.


Nell
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 12:35 pm

This popcorn is makin' me thirsty.


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tbogg
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

Oddly enough the “plants” comments were very well received by the other attendees. Or, maybe, not oddly enough. I guess, for a plant, it's important to know your audience.


Natalie
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

Great article–the whole situation is presented very objectively, which isn't something I've seen very much in this whole disagreement, shall we say.

That being said, I still support Gates of Vienna, Robert Spencer, and Pamela Geller. They are doing invaluable work for the counterjihad movement.


Bob
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

Minor technical point: Rachel Corrie was struck with the blade (not run over) by a Caterpillar D9R bulldozer (not a steamroller) as she worked to obstruct the destruction of a weapons smuggling tunnel and fell in the armored vehicle's blind spot.


dielgf
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

Atlas Shrugs herself into a copyright lawsuit perhaps?

Articles about people who write articles about not much… yawn


commie atheist
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

“There is no global movement of Christians trying to subjugate the world,” Spencer said. “There is such a movement on the extreme of Islam. I wrote a book called ‘Religion of Peace’ — which Johnson wrote a favorable review of — and I looked, and didn’t find, Christian extremists who were trying to replace the Constitution with Biblical law. They’re a myth. They’re the Santa Claus of the left.”

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24AheadDotCom
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

Yes, like the guy who immediately called her on what she'd shouted out.

I note that the user who uploaded the video – someone who claims to be a conservative Christian but who had several dozen vulgar favorites, none of which a real conservative Christian would favorite – has since cleaned up after herself; as a comment posted at her channel confirms, they were interesting:

youtube.com/user/cookiecache

Seriously, anyone with half a brain and two seconds should have immediately seen that the “burn” part was fake after looking at her profile.


chubbygf
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

Idiots? with LGF the presumption is implied


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

From my Oddly Enough file, both Weigel and Johnson have something in common: both helped get Ron Paul out of the running. In fact, I had added a link to LGF to my site after another useless blogfight in a sign of solidarity. After the RP issue, I delinked them.


robo
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

Can we please stop calling this asshat a jazz musician? He's about as jazz as Kenny G, and a racist nut, to boot. No place for that in jazz.


Matthew (Yusuf) Smith
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:03 pm

The fractures between LGF and some of the LGF-inspired right-wing websites began long before 2007 – I recall it happening during the Schiavo affair, during which LGF de-linked one of its best-known spinoffs which took a pro-Terri (i.e. in favour of keeping her alive) stance. LGF is basically a liberal/libertarian blog and I believe that Johnson regarded the “war on terror” as a liberal project even if it was run by conservatives. Most of the other blogs are run by religious conservatives who regard Islam as a threat to the “Christian west”; Johnson regards Christian fundamentalism as a threat to his way of life. The only thing that ever united them was hostility to Islam. As soon as the “war on terror” started to wind down and Bush was out of office, the alliance was bound to break down, much as the Muslim alliance with various Marxists in the UK broke down when the campaign to stop the war failed.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

Question for blogging/discussion: instead of bloggers blogging about engaging in blogfights using blog tweets and other such blogging nonsense, couldn't these blogger things be settled much better using meatspace cagematches and the like? Wouldn't that also be good for page views?


Peter Principle
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

The conservative movement is now too insane for Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs. That really says it all.


Steve.
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

Yes,that is of course the opinion of Charles Johnson, but i should point out that it's usually the lunatic that questions the sanity of others.

Johnson has lost the plot big time.It's only a matter of time before he's checked into the rubber room.


Cal Gal
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

A stopped clock is right twice a day. One better than LGF, it appears.


r
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

you lefties are so fucked.you follow this guy like he is christ.he will make you poor.do you not have a economics book or some parents to teach you.i have never seen an entire media sabatoge before this.thank GOD no-one watches mnsbc but you.their ratings are terrible and falling every day.rush has more listeners now than news channels,so i do thank you for that.id say the honeymoon is over.


Ricky
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

Nice article. Very well balanced.

I don' t know much about Geller and Spencer, but I have been an LGF poster for years. Charles seemed to go off the deepend a few months ago. He started banning people and deleting comments simply because he disagreed with him.

Recently, there was a debate about whether or not the Nazi's (National Socialist Workers Party) were in fact socialists and/or leftists when they came to power in Germany. Mr. Johnson advanced the opinion that Nazi's were not socialists and were actually right wingers. I guess there is an argument for his view point, but he wasn't able to make it. He just kept repeating that “Nazi's were not socialists” like a troll. He eventually started to ban people and delete comments which politely and respectfully disagreed with him.

It really is a shame. Alexa shows his traffic down 20 some percent over the last three months. I think his behavior is destroying his blog.

I read somewhere that a “Charles Johnson” is strange variety of a “Moby” whose behavior discredits his own website. Seems true to me.


sally
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

Major accuracy point:

Actually the driver was well aware of her position, she didn't fall until he struck her, & they were illegally demolishing Palestinian homes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Corrie

Still wearing her fluorescent jacket, she knelt down at least 15 meters in front of the bulldozer, and began waving her arms and shouting, just as activists had successfully done dozens of times that day… When it got so close that it was moving the earth beneath her, she climbed onto the pile of rubble being pushed by the bulldozer… Her head and upper torso were above the bulldozer’s blade, and the bulldozer driver and co-operator could clearly see her. Despite this, the driver continued forward, which caused her to fall back, out of view of the diver.[sic] He continued forward, and she tried to scoot back, but was quickly pulled underneath the bulldozer. We ran towards him, and waved our arms and shouted; one activist with the megaphone. But the bulldozer driver continued forward, until Rachel was all the way underneath the central section of the bulldozer.[18]


Notorious_Kelly
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

If they can keep the Left versus Right war going, the True enemies will continue the battle unmolested.


r
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

and by the way.that garofalo girl or whatever her name is,along with the bias cnn reporters,do nothing but help the other side.only shameful people would make fun of fellow americans at tea parties.THINK GUYS.your making fun of people that want you to take more of your money home,and to stop spending money on big government.ARE YOU SICK.do you not want success.


r
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

id say socialism is a far bigger threat to america than citizens that strive for success and lower taxes.learn how to make money in real estate,stocks,mutual funds,start a business,ect.class envy makes NO MONEY RETARDS


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steve
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

Before anyone accepts as credible the Robert Spencer assertion that right-wing activists seek not replace the Constitution with the Bible, see, in this May’s Harper's Magazine, Jeff Sharlet's “Jesus Killed Mohammed”.

Seems Spencer’ ignorant, disingenuous, or complicit.

The threat appears real.


McGehee
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:09 pm

“Before anyone accepts as credible the Robert Spencer assertion that right-wing activists seek not replace the Constitution with the Bible, see, in this May’s Harper's Magazine, Jeff Sharlet's “Jesus Killed Mohammed”.”

Of course I always go to Harper's Magazine to find out what my fellow conservatives really want to do, because that makes so much more sense than finding an actual conservative and, like, asking him.


sgwhiteinfla
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

This was one of your best articles ever! Keep up the good work.


sgwhiteinfla
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:14 pm

Was the guy talking about mind control through DTV a plant also? Give me a break.


laughingatRWers
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

Good God, some of these commenters are hilarious!

Pam Geller “doing invaluable work for the counterjihad movement”. Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Don't you mean “doing invaluable work for the National Moron's movement?”

Pammy might be the stupidist person on the entire web. (Except for her readers, that is.)


laughingatRWers
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:18 pm

Hey, dumbass, learn some history. You're comment is so stupid it's making my screen flicker.


laughingatRWers
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:19 pm

Ha! You're a retard!


He's a Douche
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Tried to read his site. It goes like this, here is the last word on any subject I talk about. Now give me kudos and mindless quips. Not much to see, not sure why one would spend time there.


america
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

BAD NEWS.Congress is trying to break the country.GOOD NEWS.62million people did not vote for this insane clown show.Polls show only a small fraction 15% want socialism/communism.30% of the voters never even voted before.this was a fluke.


america
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

any-one know what channel MSNBC is.Fox is to truthful.I need to be BRAINWASHED


Benjamin Schapira
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

Pamela Geller's obsession with Muslims is rooted in the fact that her sexual advances towards a male Muslim acquaintance of hers were rejected after she divorced her husband, a convicted felon. Ms. Geller, or Ms. Oshry as she used to be known, has taken this personal issue and used it to feed her psychotic rants and genocidal readers who believe that Robert Spencer is the messiah. I never thought Charles Johnson would look normal, but being acquainted with such nuts has brought that day to fruition. Excellent article.


Brian Leaf
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

Counterjihad is a pretty way of saying anti-Islam. Muslims are a weak and poor minority in Europe, much like African-Americans in the United States. To imagine that they will one day take over the continent is reminiscent of the same drivel that the KKK used to spew in the early part of this century here in America.


ffakr
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Right Wingers don't even know what socialism is. It's just another boogy-man talking point. Another word, chanted to meaninglessness, but yet potent enough to make the big-bad right piss their pants and hide under the bed.

We ARE a socialist country. Like nearly every capitalistic democracy, we are actually a hybrid capitalistic-socialist nation.

Social Security and Medicare are HUGELY popular programs in the US. Every wonder why even the most rabid righ-wing lunatics in Congress don't take any substantive action to shut down entitlement programs? Because they'd get voted out of office if they really went away. All the do is shout and whine and nip that the heels of the programs. Could you imagine what would have happened to the Republican party if they had privatized Social Security? You'd be lucky to get 20% of the vote.

As per a poll released last week, over 60% of Americans believe Socialism is a better economic form than pure capitalism.
I'm having trouble with numbers right now but the vast majority of Americans support social security.
Most people want universal health care in one form or another.

And Taxes? Really?
95% of Americans are getting a tax break.
Even someone making well over the $250,000 limit, say $300,000, will pay a whopping $1500 more per year. Because the tax increase will be [less than] 3% on income OVER $250,000 the total increase for a $300,000 household is actually 0.5% for the full income.
This is what's going to destroy the nation? A top tax rate that is less than that of the booming 1990's ?? The top tax rate will be 15% LESS than the tax rate during the first 3 years of the Reagan administration.

You're a moron.


Richard
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

“Of course I always go to Harper's Magazine to find out what my fellow conservatives really want to do, because that makes so much more sense than finding an actual conservative and, like, asking him.”

Gosh, o.k. Let's try Mike Huckabee, a Republican candidate for, ummm, oh yeah, President of the United States of America:

“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution,” Huckabee told a Michigan audience on Monday. “But I believe it's a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living god. And that's what we need to do — to amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than try to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view.”


ffakr
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

I'm getting a tax break moron.

Obama didn't create the financial meltdown that started a year before election night. He's spending money [like Bush] because the republican de-regulation circle jerk allowed unregulated financial industries to destroy the economy.

There's a HUGE difference between Obama's massive spending and Bush's Massive spending. We need to spend money now.. Bush created the need to spend money.

A trillion dollar war based on cherry-picked faulty intelligence.. with BILLIONS missing to graft and corruption. A massive expansion of Government in the physical sense and in it's intrusiveness. That's Bush.. not Obama.

Obama's money is going to go into US infrastructure and the jobs needed to create that infrastructure. Where did Bush's Trillions go? He ran up a 4 TRILLION dollar debt over his 8 years. TRILLIONS of dollars of wealth just evaporated when our deregulated economy imploded.

You know where Obama will lead us.. if he delivers on his promises?
- billions in decreased health care costs
- Millions if not billions in decreased government costs (directed 100 Million in cuts this week)
- Updated infrastructure which will make the US economy more competitive in the future
- increased Alternative Energy which will make the US less dependent on regimes which undermine our interests abroad.

You had 8 years and you F'ed everything up. You lost.. step aside.


M. Bouffant
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

Another sap who believes Jonah Goldberg.

“It sez 'Sociliasts” rat thar in theyr name!!”

Get a brain/clue, moran.


ffakr
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:01 pm

You forgot to mention that the subsequent autopsy of Terry Schiavo proved she was brain dead. LGF took the correct stance in supporting her husbands desire to end her suffering.


america
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

You are the moron.We know we have socialistic fragments in the country.We just need no more.If we were a true capitalistic country there would be far less poverty(if any).Gov. programs slow us down.Imagine if your 7% soc security payment went to you to invest.By 50 you would be a retired millionaire.HOW TO CURE A CRACKHEAD Republican-Help people of welfare Democrat-give them free crack. WAKE UP PEOPLE


Yashmak
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

Charles Johnson did not 'pick a fight' with Geller, or Dymphna, etc. over anything. He merely warned about the participation of unsavory groups at the Brussels Conference. I was a reader of his 'blog, as well as Gates of Vienna and Geller's blog when this all started, and recall that it was THEY who attacked, attacked Charles for that mild warning. It's high comedy to read about Geller accusing him of 'smearing', when in fact that's exactly what she and Spencer (and Beck for that matter) have been doing to Charles recently.

It was as a result of their obstinate defense of some of these groups (Vlaams Belaang for example), and their childish smearing of Charles in the process, that I stopped reading their sites.


thomas jefferson
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

the donner party continues to eat their own. quite amusing. :)


america
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

I voted against Bush twice.I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE HIM BACK NOW.You guys need to start using you heads.We dont need to invest in green tech.There are investers who have the money ,but OBAMA wants our money.This crisis could of been fixed with 1 Trillion and the fair tax.But i know you would rather pay higher taxes.


kmg
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:25 pm

Wikipedia is your source for a “major accuracy point”???????


Janjanjan
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:31 pm

Nobody wants to replace the Constitution with Biblical law? Then why do I see Biblical law referenced as the reason we should amend our Constitution to ban same sex marriage or abortion?


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

“He merely warned about the participation of unsavory groups at the Brussels Conference.”

I attended that conference. There were NO 'unsavory groups' present. Charles Johnson perpetrated libel against decent people, probably for the sake of boosting his own ego. That has been quite harmful.

Please ditch the paranoia. It's utterly unfounded.


kmg
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

95 percent…

…and you're calling someone else a moron?

Good grief.


Truthy
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

Right Wing Republican = sell the crack and then launder the money to offshore accounts and avoid paying taxes then claim that all the crack heads are a drain on society!


Ari
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

The Wikipedia article references eye-witness accounts, which have been verified by multiple news agencies since the incident.


kmg
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

Poor Charles… so lonely being the only “pure” blogger out there.


radislav
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:43 pm

Johnson is a traitor to the republic and should be hanged


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SamR
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

Hey, America, thanks for giving landslide victories to Democrats in 2 consecutive elections. And I like your sense of humor. You're absolutely right, that type of absurd statement is exactly what a rightwinger would say—and probably misspell as well.


Ricky
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

Thanks for the thoughtful reply


Ricky
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:48 pm

I think you meant moron.

Unfortunately, this is the level of discussion at LGF since Mr. Johnson went over the edge.


SamR
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

She's always got a special place in my heart for a 12,000 word post she did about how Barack Obama was born in the US, but his biological father actually was….wait for it….Malcolm X! She wasn't kidding either.


Ricky
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Johnson is not a traitor. If you watch his behavior closely he seems imbalanced.


america
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Thats george Soros.You got nothing.Your taxes will go up.just like Clinton.We paid 31% until Bush dropped them to 28%.Want to see pure Socialism.Look at the poor.They are encouraged to stay put and wait for the help that never comes.The two biggest Liberal States (NY and Calif.)Are broke .And we are next.


dfd
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

It's a strange day indeed when LGF has joined the fight against American fascists.


america
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

i am a democrat.but i am changing that when i renew my drivers license


PeeJ
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

“When Obama genuflected “

Oh, that was subtle of you, very subtle.


Leighton Fanning
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Your mother and father were retards.


kmg
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

You mean the fight against imaginary American fascists.


deener
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

“If we were a true capitalistic country there would be far less poverty(if any).”

Hahahaha. Not only do you not know what socialism means – you don't understand capitalism.

Keep whatever you're smoking or drinking to yourself… jesus.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:00 pm

Johnson mercilessly goes after consistent and honorable Libertarians like Beck, but is best buddies with sell-out establishment scum like Frum. I suspect Johnson is jealous of Beck's success, since Johnson's own blog career just headed into the toilet, and the Pajamas Media thang was always a loser.

If you want to find out how highly Johnson values the pursuit of truth, just disagree with him and see how long you last on his blog. Or read his disgusting equivocation of Bush bending to accept an award with Obama's pathetic bow to the Saudi tyrant.

Or better yet, try challenging him over his new religion “Darwinism”, or voice support of the right to life for the unborn. The guy has obviously gone quite insane. He now sees nazis behind every tree.

He has single-handedly divided the Conservative blog community merely to stroke his puerile ego.

He has developed a deep hatred for most of his own blog Lizards, thousands of whom he has banned without warning, and others who have just left and removed his site from their favorites.

I note that he removed the hit meter off the top of his pathetic little site after his traffic slowed to an embarrassing trickle. Just whose life is so boring that he only would want to go gush about Johnson's obsession with ripping “Creationists”? Ugh.

The guy was never an inspiring writer or world class mind, but he used to actively post excellent links and used his flashy Rather memo fame to attract top talent to comment on his once-great blog. I suppose he thought he was famous because of his own abbreviated posts, when actually all of the interesting insight came from his comment section from folks like Reader and Mama Winger.

Remarkably, he has become a troll on his own site, now frequented mostly by sychophants and single syllable stooges. If he weren't commenting on his own site his comment count would drop by 20 percent. Now if he loses Iron Fist, you can just turn out the lights.

Now our country has been taken over by an incompetent Marxist intent on putting our children deep into debt while destroying our currency and robbing our liberty; but all Johnson wants to do is endear himself to his Leftist band buddies by suggesting that Christian fundamentalists are tantamount to the taliban. Very sad.


deener
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

Keep watching Beck. You're doing so well.


deener
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:13 pm

It depends on how you define socialism. Thats the problem with these kind of 'debates'. If you do favor the writings of people like Goldberg, than I'm sorry to say that there is a reason why his arguments aren't generally taken seriously. He seems to have a problem understanding that socialism isn't a fixed doctrine, nor does it have a fixed way of doing things economically or politically… there are many variations of similar ideas – mainly to ensure that power and wealth are distributed more evenly . Its much more complex than anyone who argues that Nazis were socialists would like you to believe.

Dictatorships, for example, could never be recognized as socialist states as a dictator stands against everything basic socialist tenets stand for… unless you do the kind of polemics people like Goldberg are up to.


dfd
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

Violent, racist, authoritarian statists who fancy themselves “patriots” are not imaginary. Indeed, they are far too common.


AhTrini
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:18 pm

In case you don't know, stating that marriage is between a man and a woman and calling for a Constitutional Amendment for it to be so IS biblical law. Wanting to ban abortion on the grounds that it’s against good’s laws IS biblical. Wanting to teach creationism in public schools, when there are children of other religions attending IS biblical. I am sure we can go on and on, how is that different to Shariah law that the Muslims want?!?!??!


dfd
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:22 pm

Beck is a fear mongering lunatic with a bullhorn. His apocalyptic rants belong on a street corner not on a major network.


filthykafir
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

Two quotes from Johnson, as above:
“That’s popular with the Geller/Spencer crowd.”
“Well, I don’t know if Geller got crazier. She always was nuts.”

When I read your quotes from the bloggers Johnson denigrates — the incomparable Robert Spencer, the feisty Pamela Geller, and the meticulously rational and intelligent Dymphna and Baron — I find no such vicious ad hominem. Their criticism of C.J. is reasoned and accurate. That difference, alone, speakes volumes.

Charles Johnson may once have spoken with reason and authority. For at least a year now, he seems to have abandoned both.


uptown
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

I bet you've never paid the top Federal income tax rate in your life and never will.


Serr8d
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

There's lots of comparison of Charles Johnson and John Cole, another blogger (Balloon Juice) who lost his way. Maybe CJ will come to rest fitting in nicely between Cole and Andrew Sullivan; holding hands with Frank Rich while sitting on Gleen Greenwald's lap(s). Oh, and don't forget to have your new bestest buddy James Wolcott over for a late-night swordfish dinner.

Whatever. Just, begone, Charles. You are boring and…BANNED! BWHAHAHA!


jim d.
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

Thank God he came to his senses. Lots of us are angry about radical Islam. It doesn't mean were okay with bigots and haters here at home.


SamR
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Wow, so even though you spend your time on the internet incoherently ranting about Soros and socialism, you're a Democrat, huh? Wacky.

Also, how do you have a voter registration—or drivers license, for that matter? You're either a large land mass or a political entity (I'd assumed the latter before).

You know, I'm starting to suspect that you may be misrepresenting yourself on the internet and are not in fact america or a Democrat! First off, as an incorporeal political entity, you wouldn't even have fingers to type with! And, of course, no “democrat” spends their time whining about how unfair to barely increase the marginal tax rate paid on income over 250k a year. That too.


Howie Felch
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:54 pm

GImme some popcorn! This is a great show. All I can say is “wow!” You know your movement is dead when a guy like Charles Johnson is the “sane” one. Keep it up, fascist right wing morons! You are doing yourself in by the day, and I, for one, am loving it. Soon, they will devolve into flat out violent and traitorous acts. The American Right Wing will be well and truly destroyed, and it will be the greatest day in this nations history when we do not have to suffer their idiocy any longer, and they are rightly marginalized and trivialized, if not, justly, demonized as the demons they truly are. To hell with all of them. They have ruined the country 10 times over, and payback is a bee-yatch.


Micah
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 6:55 pm

No he meant moran. http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/U/mor… << He's calling you that guy.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 7:13 pm

Actually you know your side is healthy when it is strong enough to have healthy internal disagreements. You know your side is healthy when the ratings of Fox news consistently outperform those of the next three cable news channels … combined. You know your side is healthy when most folks identify as Conservative and have far more respect for Reagan than for Carter or Clinton or (fill in the blank). You know you have a healthy cause when all the politicians and MSM lapdogs tremble in fear of a couple of hundred thousand spontaneous protesters.

I would be more worried about a movement dependent upon the NY Times where you can buy a share of stock for less than one of their newspapers, while the WSJ is still one of the strongest in the land.

Obama's attempt to snuff out our free enterprise system and repeal the Constitution also could help.

With CJ and other intolerant RINOs seeking to curry favor with your side, I think Conservatives will do just fine.


Once an LGF Reader
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 7:20 pm

I followed LGF almost daily for several years as a regular reader and an occasional comment poster. In the six past months I have quit visiting the site. Johnson is the one who has gone nuts since the election not Pamela Geller and other conservative bloggers. LGF has degenerated to little more than a non-stop rant against creationists, vicious attacks on other bloggers that he labels neo-fascist., and frequent banning of commenters.
As a result of Johnson's obsessive attacks on creationists, religious conservative s and his puerile attacks on a host of conservative bloggers I have written off LGF as a rational voice in the conservative blogosphere
. For some months I ignored his disjointed obsessive ranting posts and comntinued to use his link viewer as a surfing tool for surfing conservative websites. Roughtly two months ago Johnson's disjointed attacks and his banning from his site of some of the web world's most eloquent anti-jihadist okepeople I decided to move on and ignore his site. He has banned numerous registered users from posting links and comments on his blog on subjects he refuses to consider or hear out. It is more than a little disheartening to witness LGF's degeneration to little more than an incoherent rant.from its once leading role in the blogosphere in exposing media malpractice, lamestream media agendist fauxtography considering Johnson's role in exposing Dan Blather and May Mapes' attempt at election fraud and rigging in 2004.


Dominion
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

“I looked, and didn’t find, Christian extremists who were trying to replace the Constitution with Biblical law. They’re a myth. They’re the Santa Claus of the left.”

Check 'christian reconstruction movement'. They group may be small, but they're not non-existent. And, indeed, it's fair to say that the urge to base marriage law on Biblical principles is the most common example of an attempt to force religious ideas on the entire culture based on one small group's interpretation.


Dominion
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

Another sign your side is health: when a majority of voters side with it.


filthykafir
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 7:25 pm

Jim: Who are the “bigots and haters?” To understand that the core teachings of Mohammed, revered and followed by Muslims for fourteen centuries now, comprise a totalitarian political ideology, and to recognize that that ideology of global imperialism is resurgent today after an approximately three-hundred-year partial hiatus, is neither bigoted nor hating; it is the conclusion of intelligent scholarship and responsible political opinion. The groups in America that are genuinely right-wing share with Islam its foundational and endemic anti-semitism and find the repressive and anti-democratic tendencies of Islam entirely congenial to their own agenda. The neo-nazi right-wing's islamophilia is shared with the Marxist left-wing, not only in the U.S. but, even more, in Europe.

Please do not fall into the propaganda trap of equating conservative political values with bigotry, hatred, or right-wing ideology. That may pass for reasonable discourse with Rosie O'Donnell, but I hope you know better.


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filthykafir
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

No Dominion, that is a sign your opinion is popular — another term for simple, intellectually undemanding, and approved by the eminent scholars and intellects of Hollywood — such luminaries as Tom Cruise and Barbara Streisand. It does not reflect that your side has truth, reason, virtue, good sense, or any other honorable quality.

Hell, “healthy” and “popular” aren't even in the same section of the dictionary.


filthykafir
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 7:50 pm

“They (sic) group may be small… .” Shall we estimate it to be less than 100? That's reasonable. There are approximately 1.2 billion Muslims in the world, and according to the Pew Research Foundation, over 70% of them wish to see the extremely repressive, inherently discriminatory (against women, Jews, gays, and all non-muslims) Sharia law and governance instituted — worldwide. That's 840,000,000 people (oops, forgot to include the Christian Reconstructionists; make that 840,000,100 people) who actively wish to deprive you of your liberty.

Fair and balanced?


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Karin Friedemann
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

This is one boring article. Yawn!


Ed Whitson
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 8:29 pm

Go OKC Potatoes!!!


Rodan
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 8:32 pm

Charles Johnson is a Leftwing Fascist. He believes in silencing all who disagrees with him. He also supports the Terror Islamic states of Bosnia and Kossovo.


Arab
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

As an Arab, I find that LGF run by Charles Johnson is nothing more than a fascist hate-mongering blog that attracts fascists and neo-Nazis. Johnson is surprised why his blog entries bring so many hate-filed anti-Muslim commentators when it should be obvious that it has to do with the content he posts. Johnson's entries does in fact promote the things he now claims he is against: bigotry, prejudice and anti-Muslim feelings. Now that Johnson realizes what he has done and what he has promoted, he pretends to be the “nice guy” among all these crazed anti-Muslim crowd. Please. Finally, let me remind the folks here that the hijackers attacked the US for revenge and for political reasons: Gulf war I and the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia who were killing Iraqis. This talk about Muslims taking over the world is pure non-sense. It is the US government that wants to control the Middle East and its oil reserves against the will of its people. All of the world knows this.


abraham
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 8:40 pm

Whatever, nutsack. This douche Johnson was all happy to be associated with the “shrieking” Geller when they were on the same side. Why the sudden change of heart? Sounds like Johnson woke up one day and finally realized he was the total loser his father admonished him to avoid becoming.


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Arab
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 8:50 pm

Non-sense.

Sharia law is not what you make it sound like. Muslims find it very offensive to read that their religious beliefs are repressive and inherently discriminatory. What you are saying is that your religion is the one that is good and that Muslims should adopt yours. Please.

Muslims should be free to run their societies the way the decide, not how YOU decide.

After enslaving blacks for over 200 years (in laws and with the approval of the supreme court), you can't just play God and dictate to others how they should conduct their lives.

Neither Arabs or Muslims are going to become your negros. We may have problems with our societies but it is none of your business. Our women are capable of defending their rights and they don't need to patronized by people with a long established history of slavery, religious persecution (against mormons, and now muslims), and institutional racism.

What Chutzpa!


fultonchain
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 8:56 pm

None of this is surprising.

Johnson is most comfortable on the sidelines.

He has always been a session player and just isn't regarded as a main who can hold spotlight. Johnson has been consistently a day late and a dollar short — he started writing mediocre code at the end of the boom, tried a quick ride to reknown on the backs of the 9/11 victims, bailed quickly on the never profitable Pajamas Media (where did all that VC money go, anyway?) and has now decided that publicly mocking his former allies is the way to fill his suddenly less expensive sidebar advertising space.

Johnson is a parasite and will latch on to any host he thinks will get his weird little echo chamber a few dozen more comments. Just so long as he doesn't have to take a real stand or come up with an original thought.

Because, you see, our pony tailed squeaky voiced lizard leader has a very thin and light sensitive skin.


LGF Should Be Deleted
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 9:24 pm

Charles Johnson considers anyone who doesn't agree with him to be a kook, racist, or nazi.


leo
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

What, no mention of 'War Bloggers'?


radislav
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 10:04 pm

close enough hang his ass


Douglas Watts
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 10:07 pm

As a journalist, I've watched at a distance as Mr. Johnson began to grow uncomfortable as his “allies” began to ally themselves with out-front Neo Nazi organizations in Europe. If nothing else, Charles is smart enough to know that a political “movement” that aligns itself with Neo Nazis ain't going nowhere. cf. John Lennon's “Revolution.”


Jehu
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 10:39 pm

It's Muslims that originally sold blacks to the slave traders. It is Muslims that still practice slavery today. It is Muslims that stone women that were raped. It is Muslims that kill other Muslims. It is Muslims that declare they want all to bow to their filthy moon god by force if necessary.

Islam was founded by a pedophile and murderer, his followers continue in his tradition. It is Iran that wants to destroy Israel, and says they will. It is Arabs that refuse to settle Palestinians in their huge territories, instead wanting them to live in squalor so they can use them as a sympathy play to the fools in the West.

It is Islam that produced less scientific research than the nation of Norway. That is a nation of 4 million scientifically outproduced 800 million people. Any nation under Islam is a darkened women-hating society. Deal with it, all of what I said is true and can be found in two clicks on the internet. Islam is DEATH! It loves death, celebrates death, indoctrinates its children with death. Islam gives the world suicide bombers and crazed rhetoric from ignorant clerics. And yes do what you want in your own primitive cultures, if that was all you did, we could live with that. Some of us woke up the day some of your death squads killed 3,000 innocent people, and we will not fall back to sleep.


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Jehu
Comment posted April 21, 2009 @ 10:52 pm

Why does the Supreme Court have a motif of Moses and the Ten Commandments on one of its walls? Why are there Biblical Inscriptions all over monuments in D.C.? Why is our Constitution and Declaration of Independence filled with Biblical Ideas? Why? Why? Why? Why did the American Education system become the envy of the world and one of the sources of our rise to power when it was based on Biblical Teachings and the McGuffy Reader, which itself was based on the Bible. Why have SAT scores fallen every year since 1964 when God was kicked out of our schools, Why? Why? Why? Why do children in the womb have NO rights, but prisoners in Gitmo should have every right? Why is it every society that has emraced militant homosexuality has failed, and that very quickly, Why? Why? Why?


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:37 am

“Muslims find it very offensive to read that their religious beliefs are repressive and inherently discriminatory.”

Non-Muslims, who examine the issue in detail, find it very offensive how repressive and inherently discriminatory Islam and its scriture are. I read them, including the Sirat (Ibn Ishaq & Al-Tabari).

Muslims should do themselves a favor and actually READ their own scripture instead of having their imam explain away the bigotry and racism therein.


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:43 am

The problem is that CJ attacks people without justification. US libel laws protect him from legal action on that, but that doesn't change the fact that he's flat-out wrong. Any journalist with a reasonable skill in research should be able to figure that out in one hour flat. Googling for “Suggested corrections for Charles Johnson” will bring up a whopping list of refutations of his 'evidence'. CJ has failed to acknowledge even the most obvious of these.

Of course, it may be fun or feel self-righteous to whip up an atmosphere of hate against various imaginary 'fascist' or 'neo-Nazi' groups. It can even give an impression of being smart, when you make outrageous statements about unknown people on other continents (CJ focuses his attacks on Europeans). But none of that makes what CJ says true.

It's better to stay away from the Stalinistic bigory of LGF.


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:01 am

Heh :)

What is unhealthy, and that goes for both Europe and the US, is that voters don't get educated in the underlying political philosophies of the choices. It tends to boil down to 30-second sound bites, with no context provided to explain how the ideas of a particular political party will benefit society in 10 or 20 years.

Obama was a wonderful recruiter, and his backing from people with serious money won him a soild victory. He has rewarded the backers with appropriate positions around him, so that Wall Street has never had as direct access to the US president as now. People may like to see banking so solidly in charge of the country.

For my part, I think there's something inherently unsound about the current situation.


LaLee
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:04 am

You asked: “Why does the Supreme Court have a motif of Moses and the Ten Commandments on one of its walls?”

Do you also ask something like that about the depictions Hammurabi or Mohammad?

“Why are there Biblical Inscriptions all over monuments in D.C.?”

Can you name me one of these monuments that have these inscriptions?

OTOH here's part of the inscriptions on JEFFERSON MEMORIAL:

“No man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship or ministry or shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief, but all men shall be free to profess and by argument to maintain, their opinions in matters of religion. I know but one code of morality for men whether acting singly or collectively.”


Martin
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:57 am

The aggressive, belligerent tone of many US politcal blogs is tiresome – like being poked in the eye with a sharp stick repeatedly. Culturally it seems that balance, reserve and lucidity are frowned upon. In America the message is to shout loud and often from an entrenched, inflexible partisan position no matter what logic or rational discourse might suggest otherwise. The almost standardised threat-based language, laced with derisive labelling, (name calling) normally considered puerile in other more civilised cultures is de rigeur.


Dajjal
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:02 am

Shari'ah requires a minimum of one military expedition against Kufar in every year [Umdat as-Salik O9.1].
Shari'ah states that “The Caliph makes war upon Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians”, citing 9:29 as the basis for the ruling[O9.8]. Shari'ah states that “The Caliph fights all other peoples until they become Muslim [O9.9].

The Qur'an, hadith, tafsir & Shari'ah are available on the web. Reading them will help intelligent and open minded people (not bigots) to comprehend why Islam attacks us.


freepatriot
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:12 am

“I get my stuff from people on the inside,” she said, “from people in Europe.

this???

from the people who gave us “freedom fries” ???

do those ideas come from Old Europe

or New Europe

freepers in Brussels ???

who in God's Ironic Geography department thought of that ???


freepatriot
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:24 am

Charles Johnson is a Leftwing Fascist.

are you kidding me ???

a left wing fascist ???

dude, get a clue, take a political science class, or wear a helmet

fascists come from the right wing

commies come from the left wing

you can't just interchange words cuz one of them makes you wet your pants more than the other

it's called LANGUAGE

try learning it


Ron.
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:48 am

Charles Johnson considers anyone who doesn't agree with him to be a kook, racist, nazi or fascist.

Take a look in the mirror johnson.There's a reason why so many are looking at johnson and wondering where did his sanity go?


Lex
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:30 am

What a great summary of The Blog Wars, or as we sometimes call it, The Great Soap Opera! Thank you for covering it all. We chronicle the madness daily on a blog called Gates of Vienna Vs. The World Vs. LGF. It's always rather funny to me that Spencer, Gates and Geller claim that Charles Johnson and Little Green Footballs are irrelevant but then proceed to spend so much time besmirching him. Johnson has said that he would “never give up” on this fight and Spencer, in a post this week, said he would continue to respond. Actually, Spencer said that not responding to Johnson would be like Poland having ignored the Nazi invasion. With the verbal stakes that high, I see no end to this madness, thought I am, as always, quite amused by the insanity!

Thanks Again,

Lex


Polaris
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:34 am

This must be freaking the wingnuts out.

A former fellow nutjob that's actually come to his senses.


o.u.
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:45 am

Pamela Geller has endorsed the Vlaams Belang, a white nationalist party of neo-Nazi origin.
She's crossed the line.


Mara
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 5:05 am

“…I looked, and didn’t find, Christian extremists who were trying to replace the Constitution with Biblical law. They’re a myth. They’re the Santa Claus of the left.”

so Huckabee wanting to amend the Constitution to bring it in line with biblical laws is a myth?! And the guy who founded the Homeschool movement as a counter to 'secular public education' and the Chalcedon Group, Rousas Rushdoony, did NOT author “The Institutes of Biblical Law” that lays out a plan to convert American jurisprudence to Mosaic Law?!

I guess Bill Moyers photoshopped and overdubbed everything from his PBS series “On Earth As It Is In Heaven”. But really, I'm guessing that Spencer didn't even really look for information on Dominionist or Reconstructionist movements. Because if he had…he would have found that there are a LOT of folks who believe that the problems of the world in general, and America in particular, are the result of 'taking God out of our lives”…and quite a few of those people support putting him back in, by force if necessary.

Google suggestions: Gary North, Rousas Rushdoony, Chalcedon Group, Aubrey Vaughn, Paul Pressler, Dominionism, Christian Nation.


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BobR
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 5:59 am

Mr. Weigel should consult his dictionary after he consults his thesaurus. Obama did not “genuflect” to anyone. That's a loaded word, not one to be tossed around lightly.


Douglas Watts
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:11 am

I agree with what you are saying and will repeat my observation: CJ at least has the political sense to know that aligning yourself with Nazis is the kiss of death for having any hope of mainstream credibility. Pam Geller, for example, is utterly clueless on this point.


Douglas Watts
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:20 am

Pammycakes !!! Nice of you to join us …


Arab
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:24 am

Nazi-Germans also “found” that Judaism was a perverted religion after they “examined” the issue in detail.
Jewish persecution in Europe was wide-spread (the Germans just industrialized it) for the same reasons you are now writing about Muslims.

It is all based on ignorance and on intolerance.

Muslims need not to be told how they should read their own religious texts or how they should interpret them and, trust me on this, they are not going to wait until they are driven to death camps like sheep because what you read and interpreted on some book. Islamic theology is a “science” of its own within the Islamic world and it is taken seriously.

The problem that exists today, which is perceived as Muslim vs non-Muslim and promoted as such by many (on both sides), is a political problem between neo-colonialism (lead by the US government today) and weaker nations who are not able to defend themselves and which resort to the use of clandestine asymmetric tactics (not that official tactics used by the US government are better, they in fact killed many more people).

You can not possible think that the US government along with few European allies can unilaterely decide on who should have control on the oil reserves in the Middle East, do you?

Gulf War I has left a scar on many Arabs and Muslims and even the Kuwaiti opposed the brutal and inhumane tactics that killed so many innocent people implemented by the violent US government.

You must think the lives of Arabs/Muslims are less worthy and that having access to oil is more worthy than human lives.

It is not.


Scott Snyder
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:24 am

Ok. It may seem that conservatism is moving more to the right but lets make one observation. As the current administration moves farther and farther to the left, did the right really move at all? I don't think so. It is a matter of perspective. C'mon conservatives, unite for a common goal.
http://www.strategicbookpublishing.com/TheGH4Effect.html


tmv
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:26 am

This article seems to have attracted a sizable number of the commenters from the blogs profiled, providing a lovely snapshot of intra-conservative strife and lunacy without the “need to scrub my brain now” feeling that results from actually visiting one of the blogs in question. Too amusing. Popcorn, anyone?


Patrick
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:39 am

The right wing nut cases hate it when one of there own realizes the foolishness of his ways. Most right wing republicans are mentally ill to some degree…they would have to be to actualy believe the nonsense they spew.


Arab
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:43 am

Nazi Germany held half of all noble prizes in the world in the late 30s. You would have been a cheerleader of the Nazi-party that has turned Germany into a highly developed and industrialized nation.

Of all of the violence committed by radical Muslim groups in the last 30 years all over the world does not come close to the people the US government murdered and napalmed in Vietnam within 3 years. Over 3 million civilians were killed in Vietnam and thousands still die every year due to agent orange and hundreds of thousands of unexploded bombs that continue to maim people to this very day.

Iran says that it wants Israel out of the Middle East. There are over 60,000 Jews living in Iran. Majority of people in the Middle East consider Israel to be a colonial state founded by Europeans, which is true.

Killing 3000 people is a crime and so is starving to death over half a million children in Iraq so you can get exclusive access to oil, not to mention the war-crimes committed during that same war.

The people who killed 3000 people on 9-11 are no different than US officials who have killed millions of people since the 60s under the excuse of spreading “freedom” (by bombing and killing them).

The US government is one step-below Nazism. It is the only government that used nuclear bombs on innocent people (and proud of it!) and which continues to own the biggest means of committing mass-murder in the history of mankind.

Do not speak to anybody about being civilized when your violent governments continue to electrocute and poison its citizens (mostly the blacks) with the approval of courts. We are not your negros.


Howie Felch
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:52 am

Anybody who thinks Obama is a “leftist” has no idea what the term means. What Obama is? A legitimate centrist. If you want to know what the american left believes, go and read about it, and you will plainly see that Obama does not represent this. Why is a “leftist” who is trying to “destroy capitalism” be so buddy-buddy with all these wall street types? Would not a “leftist” be actively looking to prosecute the Bushies for their war crimes and violations of constitutional law?
You right-wing types just throw these words around because you think they will scare poeple, but you have no idea whatsoever of their meaning, because you are mostly ignorant slobs who will believe anything EXCEPT the truth. Truth is anathema to you all. It is like daylight to vampires. It makes you turn into puddles of foaming goo, which is what you really are in your natural state anyway.


Howie Felch
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:56 am

Absolutely. It is obvious to all sane and thinking folks that conservatism has jumped the shark. It is not just CJ's friends and the shrieking lunatic squad, malkinites, etc, that are now echoing neo nazis, it is so-called “mainstream conservatives”. Face it. Your phoney baloney “movement” is well and truly over.


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:08 am

“fascists come from the right wing!”

“commies come from the left wing”

Sorry, wrong answer. I *took* the classes. Fascism and Communism are closely related. They are both statist, centralist ideologies where the State is supposed to regulate and control everything. The main difference is that Fascism is nationalistic, while Communism is internationalistic, seeking to impose their stupid system on the rest of humanity.

Mussolini and Lenin probably knew each other in Switzerland before WWI, where they both were deeply engaged in the socialist movements there. Mussolini fought in WWI, and noticing that the soldiers would identify with their nations, not with some abstract ideal, he changed his ideas accordingly and renounced the internationalist ideas, retaining the fundamental socialist ideals in a nationalistic framework. Hitler, who was a much worse ideologist than Mussolini, was basically an opportunist. But still, Goebbels and others made it perfectly clear that they were heading _socialist_ movements, despising the Conservatives, market economy, gold-based money, America and banking.

After the defeat of Nazi Germany, Stalin made a point of smearing the Nazis, fascist etc. as right-wing (Mussolini also confusingly said that), despite the fact that those ideologies were very similar to Soviet Communism, a fact exposed in a famous exhibit in Moscow after the end of the Cold War.

Conservativism (rule of law, free markets, small state) is the diametrically opposite of fascism.

Charles Johnson is not aware of that. After a while smearing everyone in sight for being 'fascist', he actually picked up the classic by Paxton on the subject, and attemted to frame the Vlaams Belang to fit into the Paxton definition of fascism. Needless to say, that was a very poor fit.

It is not good style to smear non-fascists for being fascists. Actually, it's quite harmful.


Yashmak
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:08 am

Absolutely not. This fringe is not representative of conservatives in general. If it were, you wouldn't have the backlash of conservatives outing them on a growing number of conservative 'blogs.

We should all hope that conservatism can oust this sort. If not, we can look forward to ever larger government spending, entitlement programs, and interference in the daily lives of Americans in general.


Arab
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:09 am

The “neo-Nazi” groups in Europe do not constitute any threat to anybody except to the locals. Europe has moved on from its colonial past and has embraced the diversity of this world.

The ones in the US (who go by the name hawkish republicans) constitute a threat to world peace and security. They are still eager to wage war, kill and die for “their country”. They believe they own the truth and the only truth and ready to “sacrifice” their lives in the streets of Baghdad or Fallujah.

People like CJ promotes this neo-Nazi mentality.

The only reason the US has not become a full-fledged Nazi state is because the left has been holding off the right-wing neo-fascists.


Yashmak
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:11 am

A centrist? Go look at his senatorial voting record and try and say that with a straight face.

If you were paying attention at all, you'd have noticed that just yesterday the news reported that he had stated he is open to prosecuting Bush administration officials.


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:15 am

Most everyone know that aligning with Nazis is stupid. I have routinely ridiculed Nazism in the Danish press, to the point where I started to worry that the Nazis would direct their anger at me. Didn't happen, fortunately.

Pamela Geller has documented that actual neo-Nazis joined ranks with Islamists and Antifa-style people in their common hate against Israel. Pamela is Jewish, too. She knows a bit about the evils of Nazism.

CJ, on the other hand, is quite clueless as to what Nazism is, and unjustly smears people just because they want the right to rule their own countries. For CJ, that is a Nazi attitude.

I don't know if CJ ever visited Europe. If he did, he could examine matters himself, and would find that Nazis are fringe groups – and that the neo-Nazis don't really oppose Islam, as Islam fits their own world view better than a modern, Capitalist rule of law state. We saw that in Cologne too, where the local neo-Nazis condemned the Pro Köln Islam-critical movement for being pro-Jewish.

The tiny neo-Nazi group in Belgium hates the Vlaams Belang as well. “Traitors to the cause” (of hating Jews). VB routinely stands up for Jews and for Israel, as a matter of principle.

Now I think that it's time to stop smearing and look at the trouble of Durban II etc.


Yashmak
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:16 am

Thing is, he's not wrong. You can go on Gates of Vienna to this day, and see them defend Velaams Belang. Do the same search you suggest for Pam Geller, or Spencer, or Dymphna, or any of the folks listed in the article, and you'll find the same sort of refutations of their 'evidence' as well. You seem to expect it from Charles, but not from the people he's criticizing? Strange, that.


Arab
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:16 am

The above are all semantics.

In the context we are using it here, neo-fascist or neo-Nazi means someone who believes they are far superior than others, others are less worthy, and that they can use violence/force to impose their values on others and who do not see a problem a subjecting others for their own exclusive benefits.

If the Nazi thinkers were alive today, they may have embraced capitalism and used to industrialized quickly and to build their armies to teeth.

Right-wingers in the US are often accused to being neo-fascist because they tend to espouse the things I explained above. It has nothing to do with belong to right vs left.


Yashmak
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:19 am

Yeah, he was WAY behind the curve on the fauxtography thing. . .that was a real sideline issue. What nonsense you spew.

Some of these criticisms of Charles are hysterical.


Arab
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:27 am

If Pamela knew about the evils of Nazism, she would not be spewing the same hatred against Muslims or the Islamic faith.

Stop saying that Islam collides with the rule of law or with modernism.

What you know about Islam is limited and distorted and biased by your obvious prejudice.

Nazis believe in the rule of the law to the point that they followed the orders of driving millions of people to death camps without questioning government policy.

Finally, opposing Israeli policies and its colonial aspect does not mean opposing Jews.

People have opposed colonists for centuries. Some have succeeded, some didn't. This is no different.


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:40 am

OK, so that may have been a bit over the top to look at actual history. Sorry…

But using the Nazi smear should be done with caution. If you call a non-Nazi 'Nazi', it's libel. Blood libel, in a sense, because you are trying to associate that person to some of the worst crimes committed in history. While it may make you feel morally superiour, it is quite unethical.

Nazism can't embrace Capitalism, make a fortune and go to war. Try reading up a bit on history (there I go again…) Nazism was not economically viable, and it financed its war expenses mainly through plunder of the Jews. In Capitalism, where private property is respected, Nazism would be broke in 6 months.

Of course, I can think of Capitalist countries who do build their armies to the teeth and go on interesting wars far from home. The Vietnam war (and its democracy-building project) wasn't exactly a success, nor has the Iraq war been (so far), nor has the interventions in the Balkans (except the US got a nice, nuge military base in Kosovo: Bondsteel).

I'm critical of the US government for these things. But I'm not interested in using the Nazi smear, even though it by your definition would be justified.


Crockett
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:44 am

Hawaii Johnson of Little Green Bozos is a mentally challenged middle aged Jazz musician who never grew up and never developed mature political views.

You can search the history of his blog and find not one post containing real political analysis. He just loves to make un-funny, infantile and shortish snarky comments about others and sit back to see the reaction. Typical troll, and not a smart one too.


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:44 am

But Islam *does* collide with rule of law and modernism :(

I'm not basing this on “obvious prejudice”. I'm basing it on having read Islamic scripture extensively, including the Al-Tabari / Ibn Ishaq accounts of the life of Muhammad. And on reading the newspapers, too. It's all out there.


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:50 am

Vlaams Belang is a large, conservative seperatist political party in Belgium. It takes 24 percent of the vote. In a sense, they couldn't care less what a random US blogger thinks about them, for they know better themselves. It's only a problem inside the blogosphere.

The scary European Far Right Movement is a myth. But I still see people jumping at shadows about it. Read up a bit, it will evaporate the fears.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:57 am

Hmmm. Try substituting “Obama & Pelosi” when you say:

*Believes they are far superior than others
*Use violence/force to impose their values on others
*Do not see a problem in subjecting others for their own benefit

It would appear that the nazi “thinkers” are indeed alive today and are destroying the capitalist system for their own political power. The fascists in the U.S. have always been the leftists as Jonah Goldberg demonstrates in his bestselling book “Liberal Fascism”.

It is also instructive that as CJ moves back to the left, his blog has become more fascist and intolerant of opposing ideas. He now gets off by quickly banning anyone he sees as a threat.

Conservatives believe in freedom, the rule of law, and the vision of the founding fathers. Obama and his ilk want to burn it down.


A Rock for the Overton Window
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:04 am

When a dissenting conservative (i.e. Bruce Fein, CJ, John Cole, etc.) reaches the end of their tolerance for the insanity and lashes back, they're labelled “far left”. For some of those who've been so labelled to be that far relatively to your left, you would have to be very far right, indeed. One might consider how far to the right that the figurative “center” has been yanked over the last 8 years by the Bush administration and all of its adjuncts/proxies.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:08 am

Johnson is basically a leftist who once got frightened by Islamists. Now he is frightened by “right-wingers” and “Creationists”. He really isn't too bright, just easily frightened.

I have more respect for an enemy like Obama who is consistent in his beliefs and tells you flat out that he is trying to destroy your way of life, rather than a trojan horse like Johnson.

Liberals love back-stabbers like Johnson and Frum because they can triumphantly trot them out for their own political gain. Look at how the little Lib scum on this site are orgasmic over his defection.


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:16 am

“You can not possible think that the US government along with few European allies can unilaterely decide on who should have control on the oil reserves in the Middle East, do you?”

No. I think it's a rather stupid idea.

Instead of investing billions in getting rid of Saddam, we should have invested those same billions in building new technology so we would not even have to bother about getting control of oil.

I always found that the Iraq war was stupid, and that the 'evidence' presented for it by the US government (I watched Colin Powell closely in the UN) was seriously unconvincing. I do have some serious issues with the US foreign policy. Probably Bush should have listened a bit more to the spokesmen of “Old Europe” instead of deriding them.


A Rock for the Overton Window
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:17 am

An obligation to obey established law, investigate its violations and prosecute those violators isn't an Republican conservative value? Of course it is, but far more was spent investigating a lie over marital indiscretion than was spent on finding and prosecuting treason in revealing the identity of a covert agent whose duties included investigating WMD proliferation, including Iran's, and endangering anyone that agent had ever had contact with in the target nations.

Nation before world, party before nation, but the movement above all.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:29 am

All the sane and thinking folks were at the Tea Parties protesting the fact that Obama is quickly bankrupting the U.S.

Our children and grandchildren will be crushed by mountains of debt for generations, and the American dream is being quickly mortgaged to the billions of industrious Chinese who now own us.


Kirly
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:29 am

Charles Johnson is a petty, immature liar. PERIOD. If you post a comment on his blog with which he disagrees, he BANS your account then smears you. I've also seen him EDIT the allegedly offending comment to make the poster look worse. I've seen him edit his own comments in threads after he himself posted something offensive about Christians such as this

“By the way, radical Islamists are also very opposed to the theory of evolution, and very big on their own version of “intelligent design.” It's something that Islamofascists and far-right religious fanatics have in common.”

which you can find here http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/641/5426112

Not much open discourse on LGF for quite some time.

He also ridicules and denigrates anyone who believes in even the remotest possibility that God actually created anything.

He also has delusions that people are “trashing” him. He's so paranoid, he closed his “lounge” chat room stating that people were “badmouthing” him in his own chat. That is bull. I never trashed him there nor did I see anyone else trash him there. We ABANDONED his chat and created our own (a link to which you can find on my blog). He chat was defunct for two days before he figured it out. And, while he says he's such a great programmer, it took him FOUR DAYS to fully shut it down.

The man is a fool and no longer credible on ANY topic.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:48 am

The old nazi vs. communist argument is a boring smokescreen.

Mark Levin, the Great One, cuts through the bunk in his new bestseller, “Liberty and Tyranny”, which explains that the real debate is, and has always been, between the Statists who seek state control and Libertarians who seek to protect individual liberty.

CJ is a Statist, who wants a strong defense to protect him from the bogeyman de jour. You Obama worshippers can have him. Enjoy.


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RoadScholar
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 9:03 am

No; the wingnut echo-chamber has TOLD YOU that Obama intends to destroy your way of life. He has said no such thing. The Bushie scum who post here are just ditto-heads; Fox said it, that settles it.

And there most certainly are Christians trying to seize control of this country… as well as Fundie rightists who say they want to replace the Constitution with “God's Law.”

When Obama has led this country down a well-thought-out path, right down the middle, and we get through the Bush Recession, and nothing horrible happens, all your Obama-scare rhetoric will look like the “01/01/2000″ computer crisis that never happened.

And y'all will get to eat your words.

Hoo-ray.


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john Howard
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 9:45 am

This reading of Nazism is flat out wrong. In fact, no country, capitalist or otherwise, can maintain a war on the scale that Hitler did. Hence his invasion of Russia, specifically to steal their resources and literally enslave their people. Not very socialist. MOre old school, imperial capitalism. In addition, Hitler came to power thanks to the Junkers, powerful capitalists. He was specifically against Socialism and communism, and, in fact killed and marginalized them. He was a right wing nationalist. RIght wingers need to stop with this bogus history.

Nazi's were right wingers, period. Stop making stuff up.


thepoliticalcat
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 9:54 am

The real issue here is that the rightblogosphere keeps ejecting anyone who disagrees with them.
The net effect is to reduce the power of the rightblogosphere. Instead of ideological purity tests, it would make more sense to attempt to inculcate all points of view. Eating one's own is just counter-productive. But I guess that's the way the crumble cookies, right now.


Pat
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:17 am

Calling leftists 'fascist' will probably work about as well as calling them 'socialist' did. If I remember the last polls correctly, the term 'socialist' is becoming rehabilitated as the GOP uses it to describe a popular president. The younger generations don't know why they should be afraid of 'socialism,' and they probably don't know why they should be afraid of 'fascism' either.


Savantster
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:26 am

Interesting how they claim “xtians looking to replace the Constitution with Biblical Law is a myth”, when one of the right-wing Presidential Candidates has been filmed saying JUST THAT.

The delusions of the right-wing are immense, deep, and polluted.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:33 am

You're delusional. Obama is creating dollars out of thin air; that's not prosperity, it's an enormous illusion … a bubble looking for a pin. We are accelerating toward a stagnant economy riddled with hyperinflation and massive permanent unemployment .

Obama has broadly undermined the confidence and trust of millions of smart producers who drive the economy by deciding whether to invest or hire or retire. Guess what they have chosen?

Looking on the bright side, Obama has been in office only three months, and already he has inspired hundreds of thousands of patriotic protesters to march in the streets.

Unless Conservatives can retake the country like Newt did with his Contract For America in 1994, America becomes the United States of France, and our grandchildren will be crushed under mountains of debt and interest payments and loss of civil liberties for generations.

But Conservatives vow to throw off this tyrannical yoke and reclaim the vision of our founding fathers, despite the betrayal of quislings like CJ and Frum.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:35 am

Obama is Bush on steroids.


Justa Joe
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:37 am

Valerie Plame ???

Pure Comedy Gold


Benonedeceived
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:41 am

Johnson and all his brethren are Zionist neocon fascists. Let me make it even more clear, they are like Sean Hannity.

Abhorent Zionist neocon communists with an all pro corporate Israel agenda. They have never differed from this policy, watch their actions not their mouths.

And they have been around for years. Its time for these pretenders to join their Globalist buddies over in Tel Aviv. And take the neocon skinheads with them, there is not a flourishing movement of anti-semites after all.

There is only a flourishing movement of trickster Ziocon elites, formenting “antisemitic” canards and lies in order to promote their anti-semitic anti-humanity agenda.


tsj017
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:43 am

Nazi = National SOCIALIST Party

What part of that is hard to understand?

Honestly. I can't decide if lefties deliberately misrepresent such things or if they really ARE that stupid.


D K Davis
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:44 am

Quit reading him a long time back. Something strange there.


Joan of Arrgh
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:47 am

I personally thought Charles was an egomaniacal a$$ from the beginning, so I can't say I am disappointed. He was not the person who discovered the Rather memo, he is the one who verified it by doing overlays. Not that he didn't do good work, but that is not being a “right-winger,” anyone should want to expose dishonesty in their country. He slammed Glenn Beck for a video of a woman who was a lefty making fun of Glenn's meet ups and so he called all the people in the video racist, hate mongers, whackko Christians. He bans anyone who disagrees even slightly with him, it is a lockstep echo-chamber. I don't blame him for keeping out the nuts, but he refuses any ideas that aren't his. Let him call himself whatever he wants, he is not longer an imprtant part of the blogging world in 2009.


Steve Erkel
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:48 am

I quit reading LGF a while back. He became obsessed with beating down Creationists of all stripes on his site. I'm not a religious person, but it became apparent that Charles' biggest gripe seemed to be with anybody that didn't repudiate all forms of mysticism. It became tedious and really destroyed the tone and camaraderie on the site. It became increasingly divisive and a less enjoyable to visit. I used to read his site several times a day, but I can honestly say I haven't been back in nearly a year. I find it funny that he seems so take the same actions in “policing” as he decries in others. Oh well, kudos to Charles anyway. He brought to light a serious problem in the world in extremist ideologies. I hope he continues to prosper, it just won't be one of my watering holes anymore.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:48 am

Bunk. CJ is nothing like Sean Hannity or any other honorable Conservative. No doubt CJ will soon throw Israel under the bus like he did his blog readers.


Justa Joe
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:51 am

Sorry Bud, The National SOCIALIST German Workers Party were leftists. The NSDAP have more similarity to the Reds than they have to any American conservative/libertarian ethic. We're sorry if that makes you feel bad.

http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-le…


MarkO
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:57 am

Amazing how the mentally ill liberals don't see their own hypocrisy in all of this. To read this statement: “The real issue here is that the rightblogosphere keeps ejecting anyone who disagrees with them.” and forget about former liberals like Dennis MIller, Ron Silver, and Zell Miller who became conservatives when they witnessed the kind of idiots they were hanging around with is truly incredible.

Enjoy your 1.5 years left in power while the rest of us sit in amazement and waiting to see what Kang and Kodos will screw up next.


Knows Better
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:58 am

Citation please? Or else, to use the leftist arguement, shut up.


Justa Joe
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:00 am

Newsflash: The Muslims were aligned with the Nazis through their mutual antisemitism.

http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-kuntzel-s05.htm


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:03 am

Here's an interesting observation: LGF keeps linking to this article, yet not a single one of his Lizards has come here to defend him. We only get rabid Libs and other assorted moonbats praising his defection. Ah … never mind.


Justa Joe
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:12 am

“Finally, let me remind the folks here that the hijackers attacked the US for revenge and for political reasons: ” -Arab

You outed yourself, Terror boi. If your terrorist heroes were justified in attacking the USA for “revenge” then any and all past and future repraisals against Muslims is also justified as revenge for the innumerable terror attacks by Muslims. Nobody is buying your colonialism bunk. America has never been a big player in colonialism. Imperialism, Colonialism, & Neo-Colonialism has been the domain of the Europeans and the Arabs .


Tokin42
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:14 am

Johnsons problem is he only believes in intellectual purity. You either agree with him 99.995% or you're a parriah. To Charles, If you're in the same room with someone who may have once been seen with someone who believes muslims should be deported, it means you're a racist. I made the mistake of disagreeing with his obsession on creationists. Even though I agree with his position, the fact that I don't believe the world revolves around that position means I'm obviously a traitor to the cause and was banned.


RocketMan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:22 am

I stopped reading LGF when Charles Johnson started blogging almost exclusively (in my view at least) about Right Wing Extremism. Not that we don't need to watch out for extremism on both the right and the left, but the anti-Right Wing Extremism beat is already pretty heavily crowded. I can (and frequently do) go to any number of lefty blogs and get the same type of stuff.

If that's what Charles chooses to blog about, fine, it's his blog. But I used to read his blog because it was unique. It is not unique any more.


Justa Joe
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:25 am

“Our women are capable of defending their rights and they don't need to patronized by people with a long established history of slavery, religious persecution (against mormons, and now muslims), and institutional racism.” – Arab

You're really quite full of it. Arabs wrote the book on slavery and continue to this day to subject black Africans to slavery.


manofaiki
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:27 am

It wasn't just Johnson's turning on fellow bloggers for taking terrorism more seriously than he decided to that drove me from LGF – it was also the ceaseless, unrelenting anti-creationism, something this article doesn't mention.

You can't even say there MIGHT be evidence that scientifically verifies a designer behind anything in the universe. it's total Naturalism or nothing for Johnson. Even those who would say they believe God created life but used evolution to do it often get attacked there for 'waffling' on Naturalism.

Johnson is out to save America from people who believe science might be able to demonstrate life isn't a huge cosmic accident.

That probably drove as many readers away as the attack on fellow bloggers on taking terrorism to seriously.


Rick Moore
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:31 am

I was an avid reader for quite awhile but finally took him off my Google Reader list some weeks ago. There just wasn't much interesting there anymore and it seemed like 2 of 3 posts were rants about creationism.


Peach
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:35 am

I think he's trying to make money like John Cole and Andrew Sullivan. IOW, he's willing to lie about his beliefs in order to drum up site revenue.


Troy Riser
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:39 am

Johnson booted me from LGF for defending Pam Geller when he made his 'lunatic' smear–and, admittedly, suggesting his focus on Creationists, of all people, was a case of misplaced priorities given the presence of a socialist in the White House and Islamic extremism on the rebound, but as he points out: LGF is his site, and while on his site, he can do and write what he likes. The down side? If one reads LGF commenters nowadays, one sees an echo chamber, with little healthy debate or exchange of ideas–and absolutely no opposing viewpoint to any held by Johnson. An avid participant and commenter of the center-right blogosphere, I no longer read LGF–not that the man cares, but I don't care he doesn't care. As Bugs Bunny would say, Johnson took a left turn at Albuquerque somewhere along the line, and I don't think he's coming back.


dfd
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:40 am

Nazi = National Socialist German Workers' Party

Read a fucking history book you thick skulled literalist. Fascism is a right wing phenomenon and Hitler and Mussolini persecuted and killed leftists. Jesus H. Christ ! Did you even go to high school?


mk
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:40 am

CJ jumped the creationist shark. As a Christian, I recognize that one can strongly disagree with some of those positions; I do, myself. However, the shrill tone and the obsessive nature of Johnson's postings themselves became alarming after a while. He “created” a caricature to hate and then went on to become the caricature. Sad. His original contributions where highly valuable. He may yet be the new Andrew Sullivan.


barfy
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:46 am

I'm glad that Johnson has the sense to call people out for the emerging alliance between the conservative grassroots and the lunatic fringe.

I went to one of these “Tea Parties”…. and I heard a lot of crazy talk, primarily against “the international banking conspiracy” and their bankrolling of the nation's “elite.” It all struck me as dangerously close to Nazi ideology.

Right now the GOP is floundering…. and if the people themselves don't take responsibility for their party, I guarantee that there are extremist activists who are ready and waiting to fill the vacuum with their white nationalist agenda.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:00 pm

“White Nationalist Agenda”? How bogus. Oh wait … is that a nazi under my bed?

I am more concerned about America's acceptance of the traitorous “Congressional Black Caucus”. Say how about a “Congressional White Caucus” … how does that sound?

I am more concerned about America's acceptance of a President who worships with jeremiah wright and “father” phleger. Say how about a President who is buddies with david duke … how does that sound?


Michael Compton
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:12 pm

Since you appear to be unfamiliar with google (not to mention significant details of the last campaign), here's a link: http://digg.com/politics/Huckabee_Amend_Constit…


Dr. Squid
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:18 pm

As a Christian, the creationist position that “God can only do it this way” is sheer blasphemy.


Angus McTier
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

“How does that sound?”

It sounds like you have little regard for facts and no regard for American history. That's how it sounds.


Angus McTier
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

So Cole and Sullivan are liars, in your opinion. Facts, please?


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:23 pm

… does anyone really care, I mean aside from people who have no better thing to do with their time than profit off living in a state of perpetual fear?


eean
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

Daily Kos got rid of all the 9/11 conspiracy crap. Its important to get rid of the nuts or else you'll become irrelevant.


Angus McTier
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

<cricket cricket cricket>

Wow. Facts can clear the room of wingnuts in a hurry!


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

Sean Hannity, honorable Conservative?

Thanks for that. Best laugh I've had all day. :D


Fat Sean
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:27 pm

Isn't Little Green Footballs the blog that calls you a Jew-hater if you disagree with the actions of the Israel government?


Angus McTier
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:28 pm

Ha ha ha ha ha. The cost of the Iraq war will be more than 1.5 trillion dollars. We got nothing for it. Please point us to evidence the tea baggers gave a damn about that.

Government borrowing now is directed at infrastructure and human development projects that will actually have some positive, long term return. Is it risky? You bet. Does the administration know that? Yes, and they have publicly acknowledged that.

But they had little choice but to apply shock therapy to the dying remnants of the Bush economy.


Rodan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:28 pm

Charles Johnson is an intellectual coward. he hides behind his little blog and doesn't debate anyone. He is a Fascist at heart and seeks to silence those whom he disagrees with.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:28 pm

Facts only confuse and frighten them. Stop being so cruel by inflicting liberally biased reality on them.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:30 pm

Very eloquent indeed. Why not just call me a “poopy-head”?


Michael Compton
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:31 pm

Hear Hear, Angus – Well said.

Strawmen will only get you so far, “freedom fan”.


Rodan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

He will, he will use Lieberamn as FM as the pre text. Charles Johnson was once really atnti Islamo-Fascist. But then Albanian Al-Qaeda supporter Medauara influenced him and he changed his mind. He thew the Serbs under the bus. Israel is next.


ianam
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:32 pm

Like anything else, there's a bell curve distribution of wingnuttery.


ianam
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:35 pm

No need to.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:36 pm

I won't go into detail about how delusional you are when it comes to monetary supply, but Obama has no and will never have any ability to 'create money from thin air'. Please learn some basic macroeconomic theory instead of regurgitating mindlessly.

… and just in case you missed it, “confidence” and “trust” took a nosedive long before Obama took office. I suspect you just didn't notice it until Bush tucked tail and ran off to read his back issues of Superfudge.


ianam
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:36 pm

“He may yet be the new Andrew Sullivan.”

One can only hope for that much enlightenment.


ianam
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:39 pm

“Johnson is out to save America from people who believe science might be able to demonstrate life isn't a huge cosmic accident. “

Given how abominably ignorant Americans are about science, especially the theory of evolution, that's a noble cause.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:40 pm

Um. That was last week. I'm pretty sure that CJ threw Israel under the bus when he discovered that Golda Meir was a closet “Creationist”.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:42 pm

It'd be a wonderful thing if actual, honest, THINKING conservatives could make a comeback. Barry Goldwater style conservatives. People with a rational, reasonable outlook that someone could say “Well, I don't agree with you on xxx, but I can understand and respect your position.”

It's hard to say “I understand and respect your position” when you have people wanting to deport (or worse) entire races en masse, or continue to push for failed policies with confused justifications that basically boil down to “It didn't fail, it's just deferred success! The answer is to become MORE CONSERVATIVE! Gays and libruls are to blame!” etc etc.

The teabaggers are just a physical manifestation of that confusion and, frankly, inability to adjust to new realities.


ianam
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:42 pm

“You're either with us or you're with the terrorists.”

Intellectual purity is fundamental dogma of the right. It might work better if the weren't wrong about so much. (Of course, that intellectual purity is a major reason why they ARE wrong about so much.)


ianam
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:44 pm

“You outed yourself, Terror boi. If your terrorist heroes were justified in attacking the USA for “revenge” then any and all past and future repraisals against Muslims is also justified as revenge for the innumerable terror attacks by Muslims.”

Fundamental logic error. To point out someone's motivations is not to condone them.


ianam
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:45 pm

“We only get rabid Libs and other assorted moonbats praising his defection.”

Inference: you don't exist.


Taq
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:46 pm

Quit arguing with “Arab”
He is using Taqiyya, against which form of “argument” you cannot win.
Taqiyya is a game of outwitting to play a crowd. He has practiced it for many years, as it is an integral part of Islam. Fool the Infidel. Lie to the Infidel regarding the aims and goals of the Ummah.
Just ignore his deceptive ass, because rational argument is not possible with this technique.


ianam
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:49 pm

” Or else, to use the leftist arguement, shut up.”

Bill O'Reilly is a leftist?

And the word “argument”, you right wing ignoramus.


DeputyHeadmistress
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

How odd. I heard more talk against the Republican Party at the Tea Party than any 'international banking conspiracy.'


Thomas Jackson
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:50 pm

Johnson has done an Andrew Sullivan attacking all who do pay hommage to him. He attacks Christians, conservatives, and in genearl has done his best to sound like someone from FireDoglake or the Democrat Underground. He is a used to be.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:51 pm

Not for nothing, but all 'political discourse' is like that.

You can never convince a partisan. Don't even try. Every time you engage in a political debate you're debating not for the purpose of convincing the other guy, but to convince the people on the sidelines who are as yet undecided, or who haven't solidified their worldviews into total inflexibility.


Dr T
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

Sounds more like a Nazi IN your bed, scheisskopf.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

I think the Creationism stuff is extremely boring, but how is it ok to ban it when scientists like Francis Crick need to resort to the theory that life was shipped to the earth in spaceships by aliens?

Is that any more far fetched or fundamentally different from a belief in intelligent design? Wouldn't it be ludicrous to allow Crick's theory in the classroom, but ban any mention of the possibility of a supreme being?

If you want to try an experiment to test CJ's respect for truth and his celebration of opposing viewpoints, simply cut and paste my comment into his intolerant echo chamber.

(For you Libs, Francis Crick and James Watson discovered the double helix DNA molecule.)


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:55 pm

Is it wrong to sleep with the enemy if the enemy is smokin' hawt? :D

<cue Ilsa, She-Wolf of the GOP in form fitted PVC, a riding crop in one hand and a copy of Atlas Shrugged in the other>


Ron.
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 12:58 pm

Lokks like johnson is running out of people to say how brilliant he is and to slap him on the back,he's used someone who post at his blog who wrote some gushing rubbish about him,some fool called irishrose,and today he's using a holocaust denier who happens to be a radical muslim convert.

Stay classy johnson, wow seen it all now.


Thomas Jackson
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:02 pm

So you were at the DNC too. One can cheer the efforts of the Dear Leader to promote ties with true democrats like Castro, Chaves and the people in Tehran. What a victory for people with beliefs in democracy! Let us decry all those idiots who believe in limited government and individual rights for the radical extremists they are and put them all inre-education camps while we take their goods and property. For the Dear Leader can. Yes we Can!

Such talk is danngerously close to National Socialism comrades! We must put a stake through the hearts of our enemies buy controlling the press and imprisoning those who doe not emvrace the enlightened message of Comrade Barfly. Review his comments and see how enlightened and clear his thoughts are. Clearly he is a product of our educational system and clearly he has advanced as far as his incredible mental abilities and self esteem have allowed him to. Its time to smash the artifical barriers that prevented Comrade Barfly from graduating from the second grade and allow him to receive the wages he believes society owes him.

Truly the People's Secularist Marxist Dhimmirat Party of United Cooperatives is demonstrating its ability to fulfill the vacuum caused by those who whose ambitions exceed their intelligence by a degree which explains the gravitational distortions that such greed, envy and hated generates.

All hail Comrade Barfly soon to be Commissar Barfly, head of the Ministry of Truth.


tree farmer
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

Must agree.

The person described in the article above is a sissy and can't take criticism. I wrote on another website some snarky comments about how LGF had gotten lost in the creationsim argument and pondered in jest, “What exactly is a Vlaams Belang?” Simply because I think the name has a ridiculous sound to it.

I know exactly what VB is, as I have read all the posts. It was a joke and someone, who shall rename nameless, but looks and sounds a lot like the guy in the previous article, took shame and canceled my LGF account by the following morning. Sad.

I cried for nearly. . .well, never actually.

I am hardly a threat to the “almighty” LGF and the previously unamed guy in the article above. Maybe someone out there is a little too sensitive to criticism?

I operate a blog that gets 30 hits a day for the lonely folks of the world who come by to see posts about my cats and tomato plants. Big deal. Life moves on.

Maybe he should open a panty factory so he'll be in fresh supply. Seems to get them wadded often.


Ex Lizard
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:12 pm

I believe the point at which CJ seemed to change was when he began riding his bike, without the seat, over to visit Andrew Sullivan.


Abbey
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

Sounds like he just wised up. Happens.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

You people are idiots.This guy is going to spread poverty across this land,and your worried about tea parties,and weird people that want to keep their earned money.Please read and study economics before the next vote.Every government program EVER created,has NEVER worked better than a free market.PLEASE WISE UP.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

SOCIALISM-Spreading poverty from the bottom up.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

Way to simplify something into complete uselessness FF. You win a superreductionist cookie.

Crick became enamoured of the idea of directed exogenesis, that we were specifically “seeded”, by extraterrestrials. He hypothesized that if an advanced race wanted to generate more life in the universe, the most efficient way to do that would be to shoot off bits of RNA in the direction of stars most likely to allow those strands to find habitable planets upon which to replicate. There was no mention of 'spaceships', only that the problems associated with interstellar travel had to be overcome. I believe his personal favorite mechanism was that of spores in a protected environment (say, in the interior of a comet).

Did he say “This is the way it happened?” No. He said that it's a possibility, and given what he considered a low probability of abiogenesis on what was then believed to be the early earth at the time (and before the discovery of extremophiles) it was a possibility that he personally liked.

He didn't burn anyone at the stake for disagreeing with him. Nor to my knowledge claim that everyone who DIDN'T think the way he thought as wrong. Or evil. He just thought that abiogenesis was a neat idea, supported by evidence from things like the Miller-Urey experiment, but believed that the early earth was an unsuitable place for it to come from.

For all we know, he may be right. One way he said his hypothesis could be tested is that when we discover life on other planets they would share similar characteristics. I suspect when that day arrives, proponents of exogenesis theories will be avidly awaiting DNA sequencing to see if that's the case.

“Is that any more far fetched or fundamentally different from a belief in intelligent design?” … well, yes, which is something creationists seem to not be able to understand. There is a body of evidence that suggests carbon-based life, based on RNA / DNA replicators, could potentially self-assemble given the correct combination of natural conditions without the need for a 'master planner'. It's not a guarantee, of course, there's no lab with abio'd critters slinking about in the sludge of some test tube yet, but there is a fundamental difference between saying “I think perhaps life could happen spontaneously, and here's some of the mechanisms that offer support to that possibility tested by multiple people with similar result” and “The all-powerful sky god mote it so, woe betide the nonbeliever”.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:31 pm

How's your grandmother enjoying that SocSec check? :D


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

Heh, project much?


Banker Lanker
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:34 pm

The people who think he “wised up” are due for a genocide right about now.


Virginia
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

How about that government program we won World War II with?


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

There's a subtle distinction that you may not have picked up on…

We're not praising him.
We're mocking you.

Whenever a couple groups of wingnuts decide to go wingnutty in opposition to each other, it's pure entertainment. We pop some corn, kick back, and enjoy the fireworks.

Juneval once talked about “panem et circenses”… bread and circuses.

We have the bread.

You're the circus.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

Clearly, Blackwater gets better results than the Allied forces.


Whatevermyass
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:42 pm

Are you going to enjoy the Social Security checks you've been paying for, jackass?

:D

/you ass


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

almost a good answer.if we could all keep and invest our own money. early retirement. the government needs to put money aside for people retir in the next 15 years and end another program that should of never been started.taxes are for national defense,roads,public schools,ect.green tech is a waste of our money.global warming is unproved.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

id rather invest it myself.i could retire early jackass


Whatevermyass
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:46 pm

Hey genius, do you have any idea what the statistical likelihood of those particles convening and becoming 'alive' is?

Prob about as likely as you pulling your foot out of your mouth. You describe miracles that can't be proven yet strike down other people because they are honest about believing in miracles that can't be proven.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

every program created moves us back.i love it when people say THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD PROVIDE HEATH CARE.the government has no money,its ours they want our money…………….get a fuckin job


Whatevermyass
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:49 pm

If you look closely, you'll see that my reply was to 'Whatever' not you…read the post, you'll see I was agreeing with you…do you think this dude (or you or I) is ever going to see a Soc Sec check…? I think not. Yet he proclaims the virtues of the govt. program.


RW
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

I unSubcribed LGF from RSS reader recently. BTW, I went to the Tea Party in Chicago. It was a family oriented event. Lots of families with kids and individuals just to show they are concerned over these deficits. I can only speak for myself when I say I heard about these tea parties via InstaPundit primarily. The MSM made a conscience decison to ignore the (700 or so) tea parties. These tea parties do not support the liberal media's agenda.

I am offended everytime I hear some Democratic hack call the tea parties Astroturf.


Khalid
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:53 pm

Sounds like he just started running his mouth like a jackass, which seems to be your and every other libs' definition of political intellectualism, Abbey (Perez?).


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

I see your reading comprehension is a bit… tame. Let me use small words for you.

Creationists: “Big God in Sky make all. Believe or we will kill you.”

Abiogenesists: “There's evidence to show that this could happeny. We don't know for sure, but there's a real possibility. But hey, if you don't like it, go give your money to the Big God in Sky people.”

And frankly, the bar for “miracle” is set pretty low. What you call a miracle, I call a funny pattern on toast.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:56 pm

Lots of syllables, but still fundamentally flawed. Where did the aliens come from? The whole thing really goes nowhere.

The Constitution says that Congress shall make no law with respect to establishing a religion. It's quite a stretch to use that as an excuse to regard any mention of God in a school room as a firing offense.

The whole topic is boring because Jesus worshippers aren't a mortal threat to America.

But the Obama-worshippers certainly are.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

plus soc sec will be 50trillion short in 2050.we will not see it,but we will pay.im not trying to fight with you,but just think if you could keep most of your money.if corporations did not have to pay insurance,and follow bullshit useless regulation our average wage would be 35 an hour.you could buy your own insurance.prices would actually come down.in the 70s alot more people had health care.you paid for meds and the visit,and were only charged 100 bucks.government steps in,and BANG….your kid needs $2000.00 worth of tests to find he has a cold…..AND PRICES WILL BE WORSE SOON.the government runs50% now think when they run it 100% POVERTY COMING SOON.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

which one


Khalid
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:57 pm

Libs – all snark, no argument – “look at me, i'm intellectual, i can make teabag jokes”


SeattleBuzzKill
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

Whahahahahah.

Nothing frames what kind of people read LGF quite like the fact that they are offended when creationism is discussed as the fairy tale that it is.

We have the opportunity to be alive during a time of human existence where we can prove things though science that kept people ingnorant, oppressed and superstitious for centuries…and rather that read about cosmic background radiation or relativity these people want to live like the world has not changed since the year 700.

It takes a lot of dedication and energy to choose that path of ignorance. People who make that choice need to be recognized that they are choosing to be limited in their thinking, and everything they say or believe should be appropriately framed.


Unrepentant Liberal
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

Oh, you mean the GI Bill didn't work and the 'free marked' was just poised and waiting with tons of cash to send all those men to college? Your version of economics and history is flawed.

Do you think those wonderful railroad builders for instance, who built the transcontinental railroad, did so as a result of the 'free market?' No, they did so with huge subsidies and land grants from the government. That was a government program.

Land Grant Universities worked out pretty well. Rural electrification, road building, the Interstate Highway System.

The free market got us into the Great Depression and into this mess we are in now. There has to be rules and there has to be someone enforcing those rules or people will steal. In recent times it's the incredibly rich stealing to get filthy rich.

I think you started to get in trouble with idiots, never and ever.


Whatevermyass
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:04 pm

Tame? i think not, idiot.

What Creationists are trying to kill anyone? Oh yeah…

There's evidence in favor of ID as well, not even including Creationism. The odds of having acorns fall in the shape of a 10-letter word will practically never happen – yet oh, hark! DNA molecules, complete with all sorts of working machinery, have sprung from mud! Or been placed here from another planet!

And your toast analogy just shows how grounded in smug you are – I'll just take that as a NO, you have not read up on your statistics before opening your mouth.

Don't you have TA duties to look after?


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:05 pm

i think not also


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:07 pm

You sound cosmically confused since you have “the kind of people who read LGF” exactly bass-ackwards. They're the ones who want to snuff out the discussion of Creationism. Do try to keep up.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:08 pm

good answer i have a comment,but my diner is ready.ill reply in an hour


Fireblazes
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

Fox's attempt at rebirth failed miserably. The MSM went on for days on the national news about the “tax protests”. These events were not about deficits or tax protest, this was a bunch of sore losers getting together to hate Obama.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

Guess you managed to miss the 2 week long blitz on Fox, the robocalls, the email list mass mailings…

For a 'spontaneous uprising', it sure had a lot of pre-planned corporate backing and TV time.

PS – Astroturf.


Fireblazes
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

Nazism– Spreading poverty from the top down. As in tax cuts for the wealthy as opposed to tax cuts for people like you and me.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

Some of it was that, but mostly it seemed to be the standard tax day smattering of Rand-worshiping libertarians, anti-tax zealots, and other assorted wingnuts that have an extremist position, an axe to grind and too much time on their hands.

Everyone needs a hobby, I suppose.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

Tell ya what… why don't you go check out what Crick actually said, then you can see how flawed your reasoning is.

Mu.


Von Cracker
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:17 pm

Here's cancer up your arse, jerk.


Fireblazes
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:18 pm

You mean like medicare, social security, highways, bridges, parks and national forests? Yeah those things are terribly socialist and should be done away with.

And really, our amazing and inexpensive health care system is really working out so well. I want to pay 4 thousand a year in premiums with a 400 dollar deductible per person, heck last year I only had to come up with another 5000 dollars to pay for my family's care. I am so honored to be able to contribute to the lifestyles of the rich with one sixth of my income. I am sure those insurance company execs thought fondly of me on their luxury vacations to places most of us only see on the National Geographic.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:19 pm

Indeed. Folks who want to keep their own money are “nazis” and “racists”. “Everyone” knows that. Welcome to Amerikka.


sugaredpeas
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

you know what makes no sense to me? how is it that in the eyes of some on the political right, Obama is clearly “in bed with terrorists” because he has had minimal contact with Bill Ayers, but associating with Stormfront somehow cannot be seen as being “in bed with hate groups?”


nickrud
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

“Uses violence/force to impose their values on others” for Obama & Pelosi? What alternate universe do you live in anyway? Maybe Conservatives believe in the Rule of Law but the last years have put paid to the idea that Republican Conservatives do.


nickrud
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:23 pm

“Uses violence/force to impose their values on others” for Obama & Pelosi? What alternate universe do you live in anyway? Maybe Conservatives believe in the Rule of Law but the last years have put paid to the idea that Republican Conservatives do.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:24 pm

It's hard not to be smug when hand-waving bloviators make continuous fools of themselves by demonstrating that they never let facts get in the way of an opinon.

Keep going though, you amuse me greatly! So go on Junior… why don't you tell the class all about the Intelligent Creationism^H^H^H^H^H^H^HDesign “evidence”?

BRB… my popcorn's just about ready. Maybe a burnt kernel will look like Saint Kevin, patron saint of crows. Huzzah, a miracle awaits!

PS – There are no specific statistics, just increasingly wild guesstimates made by people with incomplete knowledge. If you knew the subject matter, you'd know that already… Or perhaps you're just playing the “ignorant and proud” role.


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

I did some study of the Fed and the banking system in general, and must say I'm appalled. There is a systematic dishonesty in the way the current system promotes inflation and rewards the institutions that create our money – the Fed, and the individual banks through 'Fractional Reserve Banking'.

Now, I think Fractional Reserve Banking is a decent concept, but misusing it to create inflation is dishonest. That moves power from ordinary working & saving people to the financial system.

But it's not something I go ballistic over. Bought some gold and mining stocks, waiting to see the dollar tumble. Then the banking elite will have some serious explaining to do.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

Easy. George Orwell summarized it neatly in his essay “Notes on Nationalism”:

“All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. A British Tory will defend self-determination in Europe and oppose it in India with no feeling of inconsistency. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits, but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage — torture, the use of hostages, forced labour, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians — which does not change its moral colour when it is committed by ‘our’ side.
(…)
Whether such deeds were reprehensible, or even whether they happened, was always decided according to political predilection.

The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.”


Anonymous
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

There was actually a movement in the 19th century to amend the constitution to make the US an official Christian nation. So its an old thing.


Anonymous
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

There was actually a movement in the 19th century to amend the constitution to make the US an official Christian nation. So its an old thing.


Angus McTier
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Moron. Where exactly did Hitler’s Nazi’s emulate socialist policies? And where did they every maintain an alliance with a truly socialist nation?

They were right wing fascists with no tolerance for diversity or dissent, name notwithstanding.


Angus McTier
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:31 pm

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Moron. Where exactly did Hitler’s Nazi’s emulate socialist policies? And where did they every maintain an alliance with a truly socialist nation?

They were right wing fascists with no tolerance for diversity or dissent, name notwithstanding.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

tax cuts for everyone THE FAIR TAX looks like the best plan Paul ryan plan good too


Von Cracker
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:32 pm

Then explain North Korea's official name. Hint – it has the word “Democratic” in it….

Incredibly poor logic going on here.


Angus McTier
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

It collides in exactly the same way the Christianity does – when the small minded who do not care for the rule of law and modernism wish to make it so.

Otherwise, not so much. That is, in the hands of enlightened people, the Koran and Bible teach us much about how to live in peace and prosperity, as well as in the good graces of the Creator, if s/he exists.


Angus McTier
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

It collides in exactly the same way the Christianity does – when the small minded who do not care for the rule of law and modernism wish to make it so.

Otherwise, not so much. That is, in the hands of enlightened people, the Koran and Bible teach us much about how to live in peace and prosperity, as well as in the good graces of the Creator, if s/he exists.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:33 pm

that makes no sense at all.please dont reply


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

typical liberal answer,no need to reply again


Von Cracker
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

Below is in response to this glorious comment:

“tsj017 3 hours ago 1 point

Do you already have an account? Log in and claim this comment.

Nazi = National SOCIALIST Party

What part of that is hard to understand?

Honestly. I can't decide if lefties deliberately misrepresent such things or if they really ARE that stupid.”

And whoever gave this fool a 'point', same goes for you!


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:35 pm

Thanks for the education. Let me see if I got the lesson.

Brilliant people like you believe that life is so complex that its creation cannot be explained by evolution; so assistance from chartreuse space aliens may have been involved.

Only religious Neanderthals hold that life is so complex that its creation may be the result of assistance from a Supreme Being. Therefore, any teacher who mentions God in the classroom should be fired immediately.


Michael Compton
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Well said – spot on.


Michael Compton
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:36 pm

Well said – spot on.


sugaredpeas
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:37 pm

I look forward to the day when I can stop talking about Orwell's prescience.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:39 pm

Don't confuse 'em with facts. It just agitates them, and before you know it they're banging on the cage door and flinging feces at each other.

Amusing to watch, but loud, messy, and ultimately futile.

For future reference, any state with “democratic” in the name MUST be democratic, the same way any party with “socalist” in the name MUST be socialist. Oh, and for you out of towners, any party with the word “liberal” in it… same rules.

Plz circulate this memo to all the standard talking point recipients. Thank you.


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Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:42 pm

Sadly, that'll probably happen about 0.01 seconds after the start of hydrogen fusion chain reactions in the air over our respective cities.

(End-of-days types can substitute “rise up into the firmament” as necessary)


Fireblazes
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

You damn right I am a liberal and I am proud of it!


carter
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

LGF tried to say some common sense things, nothing makes the wingers madder than one of their own talking sense! The phoney teabaggers are a good example. They were nothing but the ceation of some money men and FOX to try to prove they are still germane. They failed, and proved to be like astroturf… cheap immitations of a real peoples demonstration.

The failed conservative meme is wrong on taxes, wrong on marriage, wrong on immigration and wrong on torture. Now they must try unAmerican things like secession and rebellion which are also big fails. Sad to see a once loyal opposition turn slowly against their country.


Fireblazes
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

The fair tax plan would be the largest tax increase on the poor in history and the biggest tax cut for the wealthy ever in the history of this country. Poor working people that now pay little or no taxes would have to give up 10% of their income. Wealthy people would have to give up 10% less of their income. Yeah, that is so fair. On top of that righties would let the poor and disadvantaged starve on the streets.


Fireblazes
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:46 pm

The fair tax plan would be the largest tax increase on the poor in history and the biggest tax cut for the wealthy ever in the history of this country. Poor working people that now pay little or no taxes would have to give up 10% of their income. Wealthy people would have to give up 10% less of their income. Yeah, that is so fair. On top of that righties would let the poor and disadvantaged starve on the streets.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

You guys willing to bet your SocSec checks on that?

Tell ya what, keyboard commandos… you're so convinced that ZOMG TEH SOCLEESTS R GOING TO END TEH WORLDZ, sign over your checks. I'll hop on the phone with my lawyer and we'll draw up a nice little agreement so you'll never, ever have to worry about taking that dirty, dirty money.

I mean, it shouldn't be at all a problem for you guys. You're never going to see it, right? So I'll be the only one losing out by going through the legal motions.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:48 pm

your a government slave heading for poverty.i make money just by acting like a republican….good luck…god bless


Fireblazes
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

Really it seems to be about self serving greed to the tea baggers. Too much listening to the entertainer Rush Limbaugh.


ianam
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Dear “Whatever”: Some people are too stupid to even try to debate them. Don’t waste your time on Freedom Fries.


ianam
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:54 pm

Dear “Whatever”: Some people are too stupid to even try to debate them. Don’t waste your time on Freedom Fries.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

i believe in people…i think they would work and make money and never look back.i used to be poor..you get over it,and you work.ther will allways be people that cant work,but they will be paid for by the wealth pure capitalism grows. another point freddie mac ceo kills himslf……obama only one to support dodd….i smell a scandle coming down the pike.


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Jack the Ladd
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

America:

America should be CAPITALIZED. Aren't you proud of your country? Shame on you.

Also: “your” should be “You're,” as in a contraction for “You are.” And please capitalize our Lord God's name as well, to show respect.


Jack the Ladd
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

America:

I find it hard to believe you're in the top 5% of earners in this country. What do you make? Chances are you got a tax cut under Obama.

Lots more misspellings in your post. Please be more careful. When you make so many mistakes, it could lead people to think everything else you say is wrong too.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

What do you think cap and trade would do to the poor


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

Bzzt. Fail.

First off, aliens may also be mauve or azure. Possibly even plaid.

Second, evolution is separate from abiogenesis. Please refer to the reading material.

Third, abiogenesis need not involve aliens, plaid or otherwise. Crick happened to like that idea, but its not necessary, and certainly not the most popular concept. Doesn't mean he's not right, he may well be, we just don't know.

Fourth, creationists don't “hold that life is so complex that its creation MAY be the result”… they say “It *HAS* to be the result of a god. There's no other way.” If you leave open the option that something else happened, by definition you're not a creationist… you're a “something else”ist.

Fifth, science class is for science, religious classes are for religion. When creationism is subjected to scientific rigor and can hold it's own as a theory which can compete on its own merits against abiogenesis, exogenesis and other more exotic natural-force theories then by all means, include it. Does that mean teachers should be fired for believing that? No… but they shouldn't be foisting their personal beliefs on the class. There's a cirriculum, stick to it.

Fifth (addendum), by the way… there's perhaps one day's worth of class time devoted to abiogenesis and exogenesis, basically saying “this is being researched, who knows what'll turn up”. It's not like it's being talked about at length day after day. Most biology classes before university involve identifying types of cells by organelle and cell wall, identify organs in dissected frogs and the like (which inevitably results in chasing the cute girls in class around with a disembowled frog impaled on a dissection tool… fun for the whole class!)

Personally, I'm waiting for a local church to give equal time to a proponent of abiogenesis to set up an apparatus in the pews and conjure up some amino acids in real time. Don't see a whole lot of that going on in churches across the land…

… well, with the exception of the Unitarians. They're pretty cool about that sort of thing.


america
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:03 pm

not going to end the world…just set us back for a decade or so.


LC
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

Unfortunately, communism/socialism are no longer bad terms. The people and our public schools conveniently forget history. Fortunately, neither is Obama a popular president. MSM endoresed does not equate to popular.


LC
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:08 pm

Unfortunately, communism/socialism are no longer bad terms. The people and our public schools conveniently forget history. Fortunately, neither is Obama a popular president. MSM endoresed does not equate to popular.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:10 pm

No actually, the failed Statist Lib meemee is:

* Wrong on massive taxes- resulting in loss of incentives for employers and entrepreneurs
* Wrong on massive debt- tantamount to generational theft in exchange for immediate political power
* Wrong on spending- will result in hyperinflation and economic stagnation
* Wrong on right to life- Obama even wants to snuff infants born alive in failed abortion attempts
* Wrong on marriage- even Obama claims to agree with the majority of folks on this one
* Wrong on race- Two words: Jeremiah Wright.
* Wrong on secret ballots- the fascist intimidation of workers by union thugs
* Wrong on “torture”- water boarding was approved by Pelosi et al, and produced life-saving results which are now being cynically surpressed by King Obama
* Wrong on “change”- Obamanomics a regression to the failed policies of the 1930's and 1970's

Marxism is wrong for America. Obama is their last gasp. Statist Libs are toast in 3. 2. 1…


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

Indeed. That little Annenberg foundation stint, that Obama did for Ayer's school for Marxist brainwashing of kids, only lasted a few years after all.

Also Obama had “minimal” 20 year contact with jeremiah wright, his crazy racist “uncle”.

OMG, aren't right wing nuts hypocritical?


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

Yes Limbaugh is crazy unlike Pelosi or Biden.

And greed definitely applies to anyone who wants to keep his own money instead of giving it to you and Barney Frank to waste on pork and vote buying.


kzintius
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

Lack of proof is all a lefty moron needs to make scurilous accusations.
Typical leftist projection of what they have done onto something that they can't believe wasn't done the way they would have to in order to make it happen.


kzintius
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

Nazism is Fascism which is National Socialism the key word is Socialism Nazism or fascism is a leftist Ideal it always has been and always will be. Hitler controlled factories and told them what to produce and stole from wealthy people in some cases Germans but from the most part Wealthy Jews and then redistributed their wealth if not outright kept it for themselves.

Nazism-Fascim-Socialism_Communism all branches of leftist ideals and the lust for power over people to control all things about people. Read something in your life not written by the lilnguist Noam Chomsky who is a linguist not a political scientist which explains why he is wrong so often but is able to word his ignorance so well.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

Taxes – Prove it.

Debt – Prove it. PS – conservates made much, much more debt than this. Take a look at the numbers the last on drummed up.

Spending – Prove it.

Right to Life – Absolute bullshit. Prove it. Cite a source other than a “all pregnant women are bad unless making children for jesus” group.

Race – Wright's an embarassment, but I think you'd have to be a particularly broken form of rightwing nutball to think that Obama's a racist as a result of that.

Secret Ballots – Man, that's such a backwards perspective it's nearly impossible to comprehend.

Torture – The US condemned Japanese military personell to death for their use of waterboarding in WW2. Cite “life saving results”, because I've researched that stuff extensively and aside from some assertions by people who have a vested interest in not being tagged as war criminals, absolutely NO evidence has been provided. At all. Conversely, there are multiple interrogators who have received actionable intelligence from prisioners simply by talking to them. No electrodes to the genitalia necessary, no hanging people from the ceiling of a cell and beating the back of their legs until they embolize and bleed out, no raping of children with breaklights.

Change – You need to re-examine your history.

Marxism? Are you on crack?

As to 'statist', let's flip that around a bit:

For the last 7 years, anyone who has dared question the republican party orthodoxy regarding security, the war, Guantanimo, Abu Ghraib, wiretapping, New Orleans, PATRIOT act, TIA, 'free speech zones', and the myriad other big brother-style intrusions into daily life by the Bush junta were labelled as traitors, terrorist sympathizers, fired from jobs, physically assaulted or, in the case of a judge or some churchgoers, outright executed.

Aside from rampant fear about “obama's takin' our guns” and various other unsubstantiated bullshit, exactly what “statist policy” has obama implemented?

Share with the class, junior.


RockIslandLine
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:33 pm

Whatever. Earmarks are 1% of the Federal Budget. Cut them all out, and your taxes go down by exactly nothing. Here's a nickel, go home.

75% of the Federal budget is spent on 4 things: DOD, Social Security, Medicare, and Interest on the National Debt. YOu want to cut the budget in a way that matters, you tell me which of those things you get rid of.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

And Bush the Lesser used to hang out with Pastor Hagee, a guy who said that hurricanes are “God's punishment on gay people”. Does anyone really think Bush considered Katrina “punishment for teh gay”?

Of course not. He was a self-absorbed douchebag, but even he wasn't that delusional.

Just because you know crazy people, don't make you a crazy people.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:41 pm

I figured you'd be too scared to back up your claims with actual cash.

Another “MacBeth Conservative”… Full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

Can't seem to find any waste in that flabby big government? LOL.

Just roll back all of the Bush-Obama-Pelosi porkulus, send Congress home and give all the folks a one year tax holiday.

Then stand back and watch the job-making economy shoot skyward.

All this could be done for a fraction of the alarming expansion of the national debt.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

Hey, I saw what I saw, and what I saw was about 3 or 4 commercials per hour, every hour, on Fox for teabaggers anonymous, and that's not even counting the special guests talking about it at various points in the day. I've seen the mailings… and while I didn't personally get robocalled, I know others who have.

Like I said, for a 'spontaneous uprising', it had an awful lot of pre-planned corporate backing and TV time.

Unless you figure that robocalls and TV ads “just happen”, in which case you might want to check out “creationism”.

All that being equal, there was… what, one tenth of one percent of the population out there? If that? That's quite the MONSTER TURNOUT yo… *lol*


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

One year tax holliday.

One year without police. One year without fire services. One year without garbage collection or mail service. One year without roads being fixed, or sewers being unplugged.

So at the end of this year, exactly how much of the country do you think would be left that hadn't been pillaged, burnt, buried under a ton of garbage and isolated from everyone else?

Taxes are the dues we pay to have membership in an exclusive club called 'civilization'. If you want to live like Ted Kaczynski that's fine, leave the rest of us out of your bush baby fantasy land.


Lex
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

Wow, thanks for the link! Great article on my favorite subject. OK, not my favorite, just my favorite to blog about;)


Kegashook
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:58 pm

>>>>[Torture - The US condemned Japanese military personell to death for their use of waterboarding in WW2.]<<<<

That is simply not true. Not a single Japanese soldier or officer was put to death for having used waterboarding as a standalone interrogation procedure.


Troy Riser
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

The opposition is loyal. It's the Dems who've been co-opted by its transnationalist, socialist fringe, where bloody-handed dictators like Fidel Castro are embraced, expressions of patriotism are considered jingoistic, and all criticisms of President Obama, in particular, are smeared with the racist brush. The tea parties weren't funded by any big money men–you want big money men? Call Axelrod and see about an appointment with George Soros.


sfcmac
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

I am one of the latest posters to be banned from Little Green Footballs. I removed him from my blogroll and will no longer link to or visit his site. About 2 years ago, he got on an anti-creationist tangent that pretty much consumed his daily life. I’m agnostic, so it didn’t bother me. But since then, the pre-9/11 mindset flooded every niche of his site.

He sees nazis behind every door, and probably hiding under his bed. And those are just the people who don’t agree with him 100%. The man’s paranoia level is skyhigh.

I was booted for supporting the Tea Parties, and critiquing the downward spiral of his site. It’s now comprised of a lot of backbiting targeted at people who take national security, Islamofascism, and the socialist Obamanation seriously.

Just what the leftwing needs; an Andrew Sullivan clone.


sugaredpeas
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:06 pm

um, dude. no. just no.
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/… (and if you don't want to, at least review the links to the documents from the organizations of which you speak to look at facts and not just ranting).

This is (of course) the diversion from my initial question, which is this:

why is it that even supposing leftish people are hanging out with “radical” “terrorist” “crazy” folks that rightish people don't like, why isn't this principle imposed in the exact same way on rightish politicians?

So again, if Ron Paul is hanging with Don Black, take contributions from him, etc. (more of a tie than with Obama and Ayers) why isn't he being roundly rejected by the right?


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

Your SocSec numbers are from the completely flawed logic that sourced from the Bush junta when they were trying to dismantle it. SocSec will have problems in a couple decades IF ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IS CHANGED. You think nothing will change between now and 2030, let alone now and 2050?

In case you haven't noticed kiddo, change happens.

As for this ridiculous claim of $35 an hour wages… no, no it wouldn't. Why wouldn't it? Because corporations are required to maximize profit for the company. Wages are a cost. Costs come off profit bottom lines, therefore wages have to be kept to a minimum to maximize those profits. There's plenty of companies out there that have the cashflow to double their entire workforce's wages, overnight. They won't ever do that, though. Why? Because they wouldn't get increases in productivity to match the cash outlay.

It's the most economically advantageous for corporations to pay workers as little as possible and work them as hard as they can get away with. That maximizes their profits. Anyone who DOESN'T work that way is viewed with suspicion and derision… Take a look at the crap heaped on CostCo for daring to pay their workers a living wage.

I've yet to see anyone pay $2000 to find out if they have a cold.

I HAVE met a person with private insurance who ended up paying $28,000 because he got bit by a fruit bat. Insane.

That said… look at Sweden. Universal health care, government run, longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality rate. Cheaper on a per capita basis. Much healthier lifestyle overall.

Or Canada. Universal health care, government run, longer life expectancy and lower infant mortality rate. Cheaper on a per capita basis… and you can't say the canadian lifestyle is all that much different. Canadians eat junk food and smoke and drink with great abandon, yet they live longer and are healthier overall. Why? Less fear of getting tagged with a huge bill when going to the doc to check out why they have chest pains, or blurry vision, or whatever.


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:21 pm

Do some research on the “Double Tenth Massacre”, involving the Japanese occupation of Singapore and the Kempeitai's habitual use of what they called “water torture”, what we call water boarding.

Specifically, 21 Kempeitai were charged with war crimes specifically involving the torture of 57 civilians during the occupation. 8 were hanged, 3 were sent away for life.

I was somewhat inaccurate though. It was joint allied high command that had them put to death, not the US specifically. I suppose in the last 8 years, with the shedding of pretty much all allies, that makes such things “quaint”.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Sure Pops.

Tax something- get less of it. Pretty basic common sense, borne out by empiracle evidence; study Adam Smith, Art Laffer, the last 200 years of U.S. economic history and human psychology 101.

Debt. Bush was no “Conservative” which is why the Republicans are wandering in the wilderness. But Obama's plans to bankrupt the U.S. in a sea of debt does make Bush look like a fiscal conservative.

Right to Life. Obama is a monster. Study what he did in Illinois to appease NARAL. Nurse Jill Stanek was there.

Race. Yes the Obama family completely disagreed with jeremiah wright. All. Those. Years.

Secret Ballot. Indeed it is difficult to comprehend why anyone would favor intimidation by union thugs.

Waterboarding. If it didn't save any lives then why is Obama censoring the evidence?

Change. The Hoover-Roosevelt punishment of the private sector and unpredictable meddling fixed the Depression … after 12 years and a world war. Then Keynsian “economics” was disproved beyond all doubt by the stagflation of the Nixon-Carter era.

Marxism. Is government expanding their control over the means of production? How about these sectors to start: Finance, Energy, Health Care, Pharmaceuticals, Education. Socialism starts by taking your income by force, the next step is to take your existing property. Did you follow the AIG bonus confiscation, the Supreme Court's expansion of eminent domain in the Kelo case, the environmentalists and regulators who ignore the takings clause of the U.S. Constitution?

Bush was a disaster, but Obama's damage will take generations to fix.

As for Statism, where in the Constitution does the President have the right to take someone's private company and run it as he sees fit? Does the Constitution even matter anymore?

I know you think the Constitution was only teasing about the second amendment, but if only we can hang onto our freedom of speech then we can win back all our other rights eventually.

If you really need more “proof” that our country is seriously on the wrong track, then you haven't been paying attention.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

Do some research? Ok.

According to Wiki, the Japanese arrested and tortured 57 civilians who had nothing to do with the sinking of the ships in question. 15 were killed. This was pure revenge and the perpetrators deserved capital punishment.

So this event was a little more than some water up the nose, doncha think Pops?


Whatever
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 9:34 pm

Cons – all words, no thought – “pineapple pineapple wheels are square terrorists are stealing my bodily fluids!”

Arguments are for people with reasoned positions. It’s a waste of time trying to talk sense to someone who “knows what they know” regardless of facts or reality.

… but it can be fun and rewarding to mock them mercilessly.


sugaredpeas
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:42 pm

Yes, because god knows the US NEVER detained and tortured anyone who had nothing to do with 9/11, terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/…


GrimJack
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

'MacBeth Conservative' – I am so stealing that


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:54 pm

Simply roll back the spending to levels from a couple of years ago and borrow what is needed for a year. It would still be dramatically cheaper than what Obama has in mind.

Get rid of the subsidies to foreign countries who hate us. Shut down the U.N. Bring the troops home.

Why do libs suddenly become “fiscally responsible” only when talking about tax cuts? When it comes to spending it's … here. Take some money from the rich. Have some more from the poor. Borrow some more from our kids. Here is all our grandkids' money too.

Pathetic.

Why is it that government only grows and grows like a cancer and never has to actually cut anything. Ever?


Fireblazes
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:56 pm

You are so completely wrong.

From wikipedia

*Nazism*, officially *National
Socialism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialism>
*[1] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-0…>
[3] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-2…
German <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language>: *Nationalsozialismus*),
refers to the ideology <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideology> and practices
of the National Socialist German Workers’
Party<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_German_Workers%E2%80%99_Party>under
Adolf
Hitler <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler>, and the policies adopted
by the dictatorial government of Nazi
Germany<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany>from 1933 to 1945.
[5] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-4…>
[7] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-p…>

Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of
fascism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism>.
While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing
politics<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-right_politics>,
the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the
right<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_politics>
.[9] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-8> The Nazis were one of
several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe
themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. The Nazi
Party presented its program in the 25 point National Socialist
Program<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program>in
1920. Among the key elements of Nazism were
anti-parliamentarism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-parliamentarism>,
Pan-Germanism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Germanism>,
racism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism_and_race>,
collectivism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivism>,10…>
[11] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-H…>
eugenics<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics>,
antisemitism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism>,
anti-communism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-communism>,
totalitarianism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism> and
opposition to economic
liberalism<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism>and
political
liberalism <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism>.12<h…>
[13] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#cite_note-1…>

Apparently they never taught you history in the backwoods, or maybe you are
just ignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:57 pm

Hey it's okay. Chuckie is banned from this site too.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 4:59 pm

Did they kill or injure anyone? Did they save any lives? Or this this another bogus witch hunt like what the shameless Libs did to Scooter Libby?


grumpster
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

G-d bless CJ & LGF for abjuring the increasing kookiness of comservatism.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 5:28 pm

Yes. Obama hardly knew Ayers who may or may not have recruited Obama to serve as Chairman of the Board of the Annenberg foundation's Chicago Challenge, which brainwashed kids with Marxist ideas and specifically excluded any partners who sought to teach hard skills like math or science.

BTW since this was Obama's only executive experience prior to serving as the leader of the most important country in the world, why did the Libs suppress Obama's wonderful “achievement” during the election? Could this hold the answer:

[R]esults suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence.
-Wikipedia

Yes, Obama hardly knew his neighbor, terrorist William Ayers, who happened to launch Obama's political career from the living room of Ayers' and Dohrn's home.

OMG. Aren't Conservatives hypocritical?


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 5:31 pm

Charles who?


sfcmac
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

Torture –

You want torture? Try being trapped in a burning sky-scrapper 90 stories high thanks to a crash caused by Islamic thugs who used planes like human-filled missiles. There’s no escape except the choice of being incinerated to death or jumping out of a window.
That is torture.

You liberal pansies are so wrapped around the axle over the poor, hapless muslim terrorists. There’s a few things you overlooked: What got them a trip to GITMO and the knowlege of terrorist plots endangering thousands of people. I get your mindset, though: Leaving them to commit acts of terrorism is okay, using methods to extract that information, is “immoral”. That’s a good example of “moral relativism”.

The torture used against slimeballs like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Muhammed Hussein abu Zubaida proves you wrong, my dear. The information we got resulted in successfully thwarting innurmerable attacks. For a method that’s supposedly ‘unsuccessful’ we’ve sure had a lot of success.
Waterboarding Khalid Shaikh Mohammad Aborted 9/11-Style Attack on Los Angeles
http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/article.a…

Al-Qaeda scumbag Khalid Shaikh Mohammed. They dunked his smelly ass 183 times after his capture. They got lots of information out of him.
Some of his accomplishments include: planning the 9-11 attacks that killed 3,000 in New York, Washington DC and Pennsylvania, the first World Trade Center attack in 1993, the Operation Bojinka plot, an aborted 2002 attack on Los Angeles’ U.S. Bank Tower, the Bali nightclub bombings, the failed bombing of American Airlines Flight 63, the Millennium Plot, and the murder of Daniel Pearl.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/20…

Zayn Abidin Muhammed Hussein abu Zubaida, the first high-ranking al-Qaeda member captured after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, broke in less than a minute after he was subjected to the technique and began providing interrogators with information that led to the disruption of several planned attacks, said John Kiriakou, who served as a CIA interrogator in Pakistan.

The waterboarding of Abu Zubaydah got him to talk in less than 35 seconds. The technique, which critics say is torture, probably disrupted “dozens” of planned al-Qaida attacks, said John Kiriakou, a leader of the team that captured Zubaydah, a major al-Qaida figure.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

Until they were caught, they were in the process of killing as many infidels as possible for “Allah”.
I can’t seem to muster up a whole lot of angst over the CIA’s dunking of those cockholsters.
I don’t give a damn if they have to force feed terrorists an ocean full of water to get information. The tactic works. It saves American lives.

Goodness gracious, even the liberal WaPo acknowledges the success:

Specifically, interrogation with enhanced techniques “led to the discovery of a KSM plot, the ‘Second Wave,’ ‘to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked airliner into’ a building in Los Angeles.” KSM later acknowledged before a military commission at Guantanamo Bay that the target was the Library Tower, the tallest building on the West Coast. The memo explains that “information obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali, and the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemmah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave.’ ” In other words, without enhanced interrogations, there could be a hole in the ground in Los Angeles to match the one in New York.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

I can hardly wait to witness the meltdown you’ll have along with the rest of the leftwing moonbat brigade, when you finally realize that Obama won’t prosecute anyone, because he can’t.
Aside from the fact that several members of the Democratic Party knew about the interrogation methods,
Obama knows that if he allows prosecution he will have to release the classified information gleaned from the interrogations, which will prove they were sucessful. Instead, he’ll try to politicize the intelligence because the truth would be inconvenient. The whole attempt to blame Bush and denounce what turned out to be productive interrogations, will blow up in his face.

Change-

Obama's tax/spend/bailout orgy will increase this country's deficit to the tune of 9 trillion dollars. He's kowtowing to the world's malefactors (Islamic extremists, included) to “improve our image”. And he's deferred decisions on North Korea's missile launch and Iran's belligerence to the U.N. He’s a human bug light for despots, terrorists, and hate spewers. No wonder the Islamic extremists salivated for a ‘change’ they can believe in.

Marxism/Socialism

Let's start with THE ONE's background: He launched his career from the home of two domestic terrorists William Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, and collaborated with radical groups like ACORN under the guise of “community organizing”. His friends, mentors, and supporters include Saul Alinsky and Frank marshall Davis.

His “bailouts” have resulted in governement control of banks, private industries, and corporations. Obama’s redistribution (”spreading”) of wealth is socialism/communism at its very core. When a government takes direct control of a country's economic infrastructure, THAT is socialism.

'Statist':

I'm calling bullshit on this: “For the last 7 years, anyone who has dared question the republican party orthodoxy regarding security, the war, Guantanimo, Abu Ghraib, wiretapping, New Orleans, PATRIOT act, TIA, 'free speech zones', and the myriad other big brother-style intrusions into daily life by the Bush junta were labelled as traitors, terrorist sympathizers, fired from jobs, physically assaulted or, in the case of a judge or some churchgoers, outright executed.”

For 8 years during the Bush administration, we were inundated with vile, rancid, visceral BDS every single day from HuffPo, DailyKos, and the MSM. Years of gutter journalism, anti-American hatespeech, and a concerted effort on the part of the malevolent Left to eviscerate this country.

I'm an Iraq War veteran and retired Soldier. I heard plenty of “questioning”, epithets, and denigrating insults from idiots like A.N.S.W.E.R., Code Pink, Harry Reid, John Kerry, Keith Olbermann, Nancy Pelosi, HuffPo, DailyKos, the New York Times, and 99.9% of Hollywood.

Talk about 'Big Brother': How about Obama’s thuggish behavior during the election cycle; squashing free speech, declaring any criticism of his policies to be “racist” and legal intimidation:

Fascist Obamabots threatened jail for his critics:
http://governor.mo.gov/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews…

They also dug into the personal records of anyone who dared to confront his policies:

http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/lo…

The Patriot Act (wiretapping) The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court gave its stamp of approval:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hXoHcrFTHYJI…

FISA has been quite successful in thwarting terorist attacks on this country for the last seven years. The NSA is not interested in your phone sex, ok?

I know of no “church goers” who were ever “outright executed”. That's another figment of your wild-assed liberal imagination.

Stay after class and write on the chalkboard 100 times: “Whatever is a asshat”


Johnny_T
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

I was banned from Chucks site for discussing evolution (my disagreement with it). My IP address was banned and I had increased activity to my IP that bordered on a Denial of Service attack. Chucky has definitely dropped off the deep end, attacking those who virulently supported him. Do I miss LGF? Heck no. There are too many intelligent people out there writing excellent well thought out blogs to miss LGF for a second. I found the Patriot Room, Michelle Malkin, and the Ace of Spades HQ (which had the link to this story), and many more that provide me with just as much if not more valuable information for a conservative mind. Chuck's attitude towards certain groups of people is very similar to that of Vlaams Belang. He might not realize it, but refusing to accept ALL groups of people and their opinions is just as bad as those who wish to eliminate individuals of differing background, faith, or opinion. Chuck, I know you are probably scouring these posts to see what folks are saying about you; it is too bad you have that evolution chip on your shoulder……I never preached to you once, respected your opinions, but when you threw me under the bus for my opinion, you became just as bad as Vlaams Belang, if not one in the same.


Hoopla
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Sure, love to get that tax cut. Especially in the face of a 1.8 trillion dollar budget next fiscal year. That's sustainable. I guess it better be, as it's projected to go on for the next ten years.

Hmmm, wonder how long those “tax cuts” are going to last? What's your guess?


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Casual Observer
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

I was a regular reader and an occasional poster over at LGF for several years.

Once CJ took the nose dive off the edge of the cliff, I read less and less and less.

Recently his comment section has become nothing more than an “Amen Chorus” composed of his mindless minions nodding away in agreement with him.

CJ has been pretty successful in banishing anyone who deigns to express an opposing opinion.

Oh well, there are lots of great sites out there with better content, more humor, and less vitriol for the people who choose to comment.

I enjoy places like Ace of Spades, Gateway Pundit, Flopping Aces, Small Dead Animals, Hot Air, Doug Ross, and InstaPundit.

If you're reading this Charles, and we both know you are, I'm extending my middle finger as a sign of my innermost affection for you and your band of flying monkeys.

PS – Tell Sharmuta and Killgore Trout I said “Hi”


Troy Riser
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:01 pm

Thought about your 'secession and rebellion' sentence, carter, and feel it deserves a response from someone who considers himself a traditional conservative–and even more, one of those pesky military veterans Homeland Security is so suddenly worried about. If you consider gun- and property owning, conservative military veterans some kind of a threat–and clearly many of you on the establishment left do believe such an incredible thing–then put your mind at rest. I can't presume to speak for anyone else, but I love this country, this great human experiment in individual freedoms, and my instincts and reason tell me to protect and preserve, not rebel against or tear apart. Thus, if the majority of my voting countrymen choose to elect a hopelessly unqualified, grandiose, socialistic machine politician to the presidency, then he is my president, too. If this Republic can survive the likes of Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter, it can survive just about anything.


ignatov
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Boy, that just kept going, didn't it?


Serr8d
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

Don't forget to visit Protein Wisdom. Jeff Goldstein is the best blogger on the 'net, IMHO. Just the right mix of intellectual pensiveness and, well, hilarity. Comments are open to all; there's no registration required (those sorts of registration-required sites are off-putting to me – I read HotAir because I have a login, but seldom use it; I rarely read Michelle Malkin unless she's linked, because I don't have a login).

Ace is a lot of fun, too. Instapundit, PJTV, well, I'm staying away from them. Big Hollywood smokes PJTV, as does Breitbart's B-Cast.


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RockIslandLine
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 7:26 pm

Foreign aid? All of $50 per citizen? yeah, a big change in your tax bill there, bucko.

Again, 75% of the budget goes to four items. Which of those four do you cut? Let's hear it.


Arab
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

War-criminal Madeleine Albright stated on record that starving half a million Iraqi babies was worth the price.

You may have forgotten…but history and the world is not going to.

it is interesting how you bring up a group of clandestine hijackers who operated outside the law and without any official state sponsorship with an official government that has used nuclear weapons on 200,000 civilians, napalm, agent orange, WP and bombed civilians cities and caused misery and suffering for millions of people…and continues to this very day to murder innocent people 5000 miles away from its capital.


Arab
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:38 pm

I think you meant for your prejudiced and bigoted mind. Michelle Malkin has called for racial profiling and all of sorts of things that Nazis have actually done in their early days (against a minority they thought believed in a perverted religion and they were know by the name: Jews).

Enlighten yourself and embrace the diversity of this world. Negros are also human beings.


Disgusted
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:39 pm

That's the thing about the right-wing. You simply are not allowed to question righty “values” no matter how low they go. It just isn't done.


Arab
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

Right-wingers believe they have found the ultimate truth in all aspects of life. They have the final solution to everything from economy, government to education, war, peace and even religion.

These modern-day neo-Nazis regard every other political or economical system out there as inferior and not worthy of respect. They just don't believe in learning from others or embracing our diverse world. They act like the Gods of this planet.

For America to save itself from herself, it needs to break away from these arrogant fascists and split the country into 2, for once and all…and to take away the weapons of mass-murder from the right-wingers, of course. Next thing you know, they will attack to


TravisMonitor
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 9:25 pm

That's the thing about the left-wing. You are always projecting on to the right-wing the flaws and failigs of the left. On the left, you are simply are not allowed to question lefty “values” no matter how low they go. It just isn't done. The lefty blogs are in lock step. You cant find a lefty blog that dares say a bad thing about Obama, as they are all sycophantic robot drones for the DNC Noise Machine. The Left Blogosphere is a wasteland of toadyism.


TravisMonitor
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 9:29 pm

The only people who use the word 'teabaggers' are gay porn addicts and MSNBC lesbians. Its well known gay liberals in the media inserted this double entendre to mock the Tea parties.

Your swallowing of the gay teabagging swill from MSNBC is duly noted. Machel Mad Cow is splitting her sides.


Disgusted
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 9:46 pm

“and I looked, and didn’t find, Christian extremists who were trying to replace the Constitution with Biblical law. They’re a myth. They’re the Santa Claus of the left.” – Robert Spencer

Apparently Spencer has not heard of the Dominationists.

“Dominion Theology is a grouping of theological systems with the common belief that society should be governed exclusively by the law of God as codified in the Bible, to the exclusion of secular law.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology

“Dominionism describes, in several distinct ways, a tendency among some conservative politically-active Christians, especially in the United States of America, to seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action—aiming either at a nation governed by Christians, or a nation governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominionism

See also http://www.theocracywatch.org/biblical_law2.htm


Oingo Boingo
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:00 pm

Actually, Johnson mystifies me. As a former poster of several months over there (Oingo Boingo) who has apparently joined the legion of those banned for some imagined violation of his rules (I actually, literally, have no fricking idea why I was banned (“blocked” in the lexicon)) but who did, shortly before the unexplained banning, disagree with him when he ranted about the deserved reaction to Napolitano's idiocy in the hit on veterans her shop just published, with a one sentence observation followed by a “sorry,” I'm forced to conclude, since he failed to respond to my email asking why, that he's a jerk.

I don't pay any attention to the creationist issue. That's up to the states in question, we don't have to contend with that issue in this state (WA) and nothing Johnson says or writes will make any other difference in any other states.

His battle with the Dutch people and loggers seems like a great deal of Sturm and Drang about nothing. Again, what Johnson thinks about what these people are doing in that neck of the woods will have precisely zero impact.

Comment on it?

Sure.

Fixate on it?

A waste of ascii.

But kicking people who support you in the balls by banning them for no apparent reason, and then failing to respond to their politely asked question as to why, w/o any warning, he would do that; speaks to an over-arching arrogance that now seems to permeate everything he does.


Henrik Ræder Clausen
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:40 pm

Now CJ wrote about me:

“[Clausen] has sent dozens of emails making vague threats about suing me for telling the truth about the Vlaams Belang.”

Charles lies.

I didn't send dozens of emails. I did send something like five. around 1½ year ago. Polite emails of the style I'd send friends asking them to stop making fools of themselves, for what he was doing was malign and damaging. Charles never responded to any of them, but at least now I know that he read them.

Now, Charles obviously doesn't like that I hold Nazism to be utterly foolish left-wing crap. How is he going to handle that?


FreedomFanSux
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

You can't keep up…your viagra stopped working along with your brain.


FreedomFanSux
Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

Your lips are flapping, yet nothing of substance comes out. pffffff

I know facts are so foreign to liars like you, but here goes: Obama served as IL State legislator: 1997–2004, and later served as US Senator 2005-2008.

The Board of the Annenberg Foundation's Chicago Challenge was filled with Corporate leaders and shakers/movers of the Chicago area. Yet, to your widdle brain, it “brainwashed kids with Marxist ideas”. ha ha What a maroon!


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bluehawaii
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 12:10 am

Well, that is wrong — brainlessly, breathtakingly wrong.

I presume it stems from the ignorance of someone who has never ventured to read the “Left Blogosphere.”

If there is a valid criticism against the Left, it pertains to lack of discipline. Where the Right has excelled by following Reagan's dictim of “criticize no Republican,” getting the Left to agree on anything is like herding cats.


bluehawaii
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 12:14 am

I would have banned you too, moron.


A responsible anti-jihadism?
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[...] than never: “I don’t think there is an anti-jihadist movement anymore,” Johnson said. “It’s all a bunch of kooks. I’ve watch some people who I thought were reputable, and who I trusted, hook up with racists and [...]


Capitalist Infidel
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 5:48 am

I just recently deleted LGF from my blog list. He has turned, reminds me a little of Andrew Sullivan


Bert
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 6:53 am

I used to read LGF pretty regularly. After awhile though, I started getting tired of reading about creationism every freakin' day. There are other, more worthy issues for people like Charles to go after.


Tennwriter
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 7:37 am

Economy…a largely capitalist society WORKS. Sure it has faults, but it mostly gets the job done (thats not arrogance. Its history, and even then I admit to plenty of faults. Conservatism is a tragic view of life. Try to fix a lot of those faults and you'll just make worse problems elsewhere.)

Government (The Founding Fathers were genius. Very possibly the best collection of rulers in one place at one time that has ever existed. Show me another group of leaders as able.)

Education (well, not so much, but we are aware that if you don't have the basics you don't have anything. And we're aware that gov't messes things up. And that we had better literacy rates before public schooling.)

War (War is a series of catastrophes until victory. Yes, we make mistakes, but clearly we do know better than people who want to smooch up to insane dictators.)

Peace (Some things are relatively simple. You want peace? Prepare for war. Nothings more expensive than the second-best army.)

Religion? (Well, he's not a 'religion', He is Jesus the Christ the Creator of the Universe. And yes, there is a lot of proof of that.)

Look. Some things are fairly simple. Some require a bit of understanding, and then they are simple. I'm not going to be falsely modest. I can add 2 + 2 and get 4. Other things are more complex, but what you've listed is generally fairly basic stuff.


Troy Riser
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 7:48 am

Accusing Michelle Malkin of racism is just plain ridiculous, Arab. And insofar as racial profiling is concerned, if your Arab brethren and extremist coreligionists would refrain from blowing up buildings and planes and the people in them, no one would look askance at you in an airport terminal or train station. Secondly, it is known the 9-11 bombers made practice runs on commercial flights prior to the attacks–the actor James Woods, for example, witnessed such a dry run and reported it. Had someone in authority cast aside fears of being branded racist and detained and questioned those men, thousands of noncombatant men, women, and children would be alive today–you know, not disintegrated in the impact blasts or buried under rubble or suicided to escape the flames. The Nazi comparisons to commonsense security measures grow old, and coming from a guy calling himself 'Arab', disingenuous.


Yashmak
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 7:56 am

Yeah, it does happen on the left wing. But Disgusted is right. It happens on the right wing as well.

Try going to Malkin's site, for instance, and disagreeing with the pro-life consensus there. Be prepared to be called a eugenecist and nazi.

Just because the left does it as well, doesn't make it ok for the right to do it. Many of the right leaning blogs are increasingly every bit as much in 'lock step' as those on the left. It's a disturbing trend.


J David
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 7:56 am

Johnson is now property of David Axelrod and George Soros.


Troy Riser
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 8:16 am

Arab, it is interesting how you go about impugning the United States for its supposed great historical wrongs without furnishing any context whatsoever. Truman decided to nuke Hiroshima and Nagasaki because a D-Day-like invasion of the mainland would have cost millions more deaths of Japanese civilians and would've effectively reduced the entire country to a smoldering wasteland for decades. Napalm is/was an effective killer of communists, which is an entirely good thing. Agent Orange is/was a defoliant. White Phosphorus is/was used primarily as an artillery and aircraft bombing marker. That WP also occasionally kills communists and jihadis is pure bonus. Bombing cities? You mean cities like Berlin and Tokyo? Try another tack. And 'murder innocent people'? Nonsense. Killing in war or self-defense is not murder. We do not seek to 'murder' Osama Bin Laden, for example. Personally, I like the idea of him cowering in a cave somewhere, afraid to go out during the day because of drone aircraft and satellites. Giving him and those like him a life filled with constant worry and dread is the very least we can do.


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Yashmak
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

You’ve obviously never read LGF. If you had, you’d know how collossally idiotic you sound right now. LGF’s reader base, and Charles as well, have in every topic on the matter come down against the teaching of I.D. in the science classroom (as it’s not, after all, science), frequently citing the mountains of scientific evidence supporting evolution.


Son of Bob
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 10:13 am

It's a shame some people put themselves, and their own egos and self-importance, above principles. Johnson felt the challenge of other blogs that arose in his shadow, but were beginning to take some of his spotlight. Unfortunately, he weakly succumbed to “McCain Syndrome,” and attempted to regain some relevence in the easiest and most vile way…by attacking his own. Unfortunately, the liberal media loves no person more than a supposed right-winger who's attacking fellow right-wingers. It was cheap and easy for Johnson, and it's even more pathetic that he's now trying to play the part of the innocent victim who's stuck to his principles. He sold his soul for a little more attention, and now he can live with the consequences of his infantile quest for more attention…he got it.


Son of Bob
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 10:31 am

What total ignorance you spew, Arab.

Right wingers HAVE found the ultimate truth. The ultimate truth is that individuals have a better understanding of what their needs and desires are, and how to achieve them, than the government does. We believe in freedom, and empowering individuals to do great things, not surpressing them with overtaxation and overregulation. We believe in getting the government out of your way, and keeping them from stealing your hard-earned wages. That is the basis for the “American Dream” which has enabled poor immigrants from foreign lands to create lives for themselves unimaginable in their native countries, where governments stifled their aspirations.

We believe our economic system is best because history has proven it to be…in a little over 200 years of existence, our country has eclipsed every other country in the world: our poorest people still live a better life than the middle class in many countries. Our political and economical system that you despise distributes financial aid to countries around the globe, yet we receive NONE from other countries. Our development of technologies and medicines has surpassed every other country. Our great military that you despise has come to the aid and protection of other countries around the world. We developed and funded the UN, and are one of the only countries that seems to take this ridiculous organization seriously and adhere to its rules, even though most of its rules are anti-American.

Nazis were socialists. We led the fight in defeating them, while other socialists enabled and surrendered to them. The fascists are the left-wing socialists, like yourself. Unfortunately, most of them – like you – have chosen not to burdon yourselves with inconveniences like facts.


aposematic
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 11:38 am

I removed LGF from my favorites over a year ago.

A nut case is a nut case. I don't care what they pretend to be, the truth will always be revealed.


LGF Toast
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 11:53 am

I removed LGF from my favorites too, and couldn't remember why. Thanks for the reminder.


Brian C. Hoff
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 11:59 am

Johnson is right about some of these hate blog. First I think he started to see that not all muslim support
the terrorist only about 1% support the terrorist with money worldwide out of 1,6 billion muslim worldwide. Only about 1% of 1% acturality engauge in terrprist acts worldwide. It seem like the US government act like terrorist oversea like how many muslim have our military personal rape and murder.
Now our new prisident is doing than very brave act to talk to the Muslim Brotherhood(50% of then are women also) to ended bush fail crusade against Islam.


Greg Toombs
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 1:23 pm

“Dominationists.”

Never heard of them. I mean never and I spend wayyyy too much time on the internet and at church. Not that they aren't around somewhere, but I have never come across the label or definition.

Frankly, given a close read of The Bible (and esp. the New Testament) and The Koran, and knowing a little about how they are taught, Islam makes me a lot more nervous. Also, I don't think we want to try to confuse our classically liberal Constitutional government with Sharia. The Islamists sure don't. It's a true case of 'Give me liberty or give me death.'


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Big Ben 4 liberty
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

God bless idiot posters like yourself for showing why you leftards not only hate and depise your opposition but seeks to silence it as well.


Rick
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 3:01 pm

Little Green Footballs has become Little Brown Shltballs.


america
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 3:23 pm

big story…. facts are coming in that GE and Obama are working as a team to make you poor.Keep your eyes open


john Howard
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 8:34 pm

YOU righties can’t just rewrite history to suit yer ideology. It’s very Stalinist. The Third Reich has been extensively studied. They named their party to attract voters, but had no intention of being socialists.
From Wikipedia:
“The SA under Röhm’s leadership soon became a major problem for the party. Many of the 700,000 members of this well-armed working-class militia took the “socialist” element of “national socialism” seriously, and soon began to demand that the Nazi regime broaden its attack from SPD and KPD activists and Jews to include the capitalist system. In addition, Röhm and his associates saw the SA as the army of the new revolutionary Nazi state, replacing the old aristocratic officer corps. The army was still outside party control, and Hitler feared that it might stage a putsch if its leaders felt threatened with an SA take-over. The business community was also alarmed by the SA’s socialist rhetoric, with which, as noted earlier, Hitler had no sympathy beyond transferring power from Churches to the State.”

or how about this (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-hitler.htm), it quotes William Shirer. Haven’t you read Rise and Fall Of The THird Reich?
“And what of Nazi Germany? The idea that workers controlled the means of production in Nazi Germany is a bitter joke. It was actually a combination of aristocracy and capitalism. Technically, private businessmen owned and controlled the means of production. The Nazi “Charter of Labor” gave employers complete power over their workers. It established the employer as the “leader of the enterprise,” and read: “The leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise.” (1)”


america
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

90% of political attacks are liberals…….FACT


Marybel
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 5:02 pm

I bailed from LGF before getting banned. While his views are offensive to my Christian beliefs, they are his. I exercised my right to subtract from his massive ego. The good things he did have been negated by his intolerance and arrogance. When he suggested that the Republican party distance themselves from “social conservatives” i.e. Christians, I said tah tah and went on to find many better writers and thinkers. He and his minions can live in their bubble of self-deceit.


Douglas Watts
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 5:11 pm

Why does this otherwise fine story not report that Charles Johnson ruthlessly bans creationist whackos from his site? His stock continues to rise !!!

P.S. I love the creationists below whining how they are being oppressed by Chuckles. Dood.


Arab
Comment posted April 23, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

A 2-party political system with no venue for citizens to choose from a diverse pool of political thought is not a great system. A country of 300 million people can surely produce and tolerate more than 2 political parties, don't you think? But that's not allowed. You are born with 2 choices: democrat or a neo-Nazi republican that cheers for the death penalty and wishes that Jim Crow were still in enforced.

I100 years ago, the people from the great south who prevented little blacks kids from sharing the same schools as white kids also believed in the same freedom you write about. It is not freedom, it is YOUR freedom to subject others and to inflict suffering on them for your own selfish benefit.

Taxes only bother the neo-Nazis when they are spent on helping the lives of poor children (especially when they are black) but it doesn't bother them when they are spent on armies that kill and destroy.

The rest of your post about the hyped up “American dream” is nothing more than US government propaganda a-la Nazism (aka German dream).

How come the native Indians continue to live the “American nightmare”?

A military that is used to colonize and subject millions of people against their will is not a great military. It may be a successful and a powerful military like the Nazis military was, but it definitely is a tool of oppression and injustice. All you have to do is ask its victims.

The US government never took the UN seriously, Please. Some democrats have tried but the neo-Nazis of 21st century would have none of it.


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Arab
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 6:58 am

Malkin has been accused of racism by many others. That's why this bigot can only show up on FoxNews. Make no mistake that if Malkin was born in Germany in the 1900s, she would be in the ranks of Nazis complaining that the Jews were causing their downfall and suffering. We already know that she supports driving thousands of Japanese-Americans to camps, men, women and children. Security does not justify racism or rounding people up based on their faith or skin color.

Racism thrives on exactly what you wrote. What if the hijackers were Christian or that they didn't have anything for your racist mind to single out? what are you going to do?

See the issue here is not just the hijackers. They are two sides of the story. Once your neo-Nazi government stops killing innocent people and subjecting others against their will, these things will no longer be an issue.

Don't talk to me about non-combatant. Your government nuked 200,000 people and continues to stand by this barbaric act of murder to this very day and killed over 1 million people in Iraq. The hijackers look like amateurs in front of your murderous government that killed hundreds of thousands of innocent people, with impunity. At least the hijackers found their death as well.

As to Nazi comparison, Arabs do not desire to run the world. Your government does with its over 200 military based stationed all over the planet. We are waiting for China to take action and put this arrogant violent racist government back to its place.

You need to learn that this planet does not belong to you alone and that oil in the Middle East is NOT your property.


Arab
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 7:08 am

That's because you are reading it with a prejudiced mind. Sharia is a set of flexible laws and diverse thoughts. They are many versions of Sharia and it is not up to you to decide how any people shall govern themselves.

Christianity comes from the Middle East by the way, not from Texas or Rome. Most Arabs today in the Middle East were actually Christians in the past but they have decided that they needed another one.

Why don't you get your own religion to begin with and stop stealing from the Middle East.

Did you think Jesus was some racist whiteman from Texas that couldn't tolerate the sight of little black kids playing with white kids? Jesus was a middle eastern man born where Palestinians live today, the same people that you live to oppress and violate their rights by arming their conquerors.

Please.

Christianity is OUR religion, NOT yours. Get your own and leave the Middle East alone.


Just the Facts
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 9:54 am

Oh, and let's not forget that it was Ann Lunatic Coulter who advocated invading Arab countries, killing their leaders and converting them to Christianity.


Rollo Tomasi
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

Proof of Jesus being creator of the universe? Proof is more than ink on paper or your sunday school teacher telling you such things are so. Proof does not depend on faith, it is solid, without question and empirical.

I'm the 42 year old son of an evangelical minister. Even he would argue that there is no proof, but rather that belief is based in faith.

I have a little theological question for you, based on 2nd Peter 3:8-10, the theologically accepted “A day is like a thousand years…” premise. If indeed, a thousand years is but a day to god, then how has his personality and dogma changed so much in the past seven days (christian timeline of creation>old testament(5k yrs)>new testament>present time(2k yrs)? How has god gone from having the temperment, rigidity and vengeful nature of the old testament to peacefully accepting what THE CHURCH has made of his worship, and the secular course of the planet in only seven days?

No one actually knows. No one. We're human, incapable of actually knowing. There is fact and there is faith, don't mistake one for the other.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 4:22 pm

Question for the left.Most of Wall Street are democrats,but you always say republicans steal from your lazy asses.A CEO might have a total of 10 years of school,to get where he is.I notice nothing is said of movie stars who are actually raking in money from your pockets also.Some make 30 million a movie.or is it because they are whacked also,and you both love communism.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

Sharia at its core, is the tyranny of sexually frustrated old men over helpless women.

Under sharia men have the right to beat women, women have one-third the legal power of men, a woman who is raped must have three male witnesses on her side, ad nauseum.

It is a misogynistic kangaroo law which treats women like chattel instead of human beings, and it is now being used to shackle women in Britain as well as Saudi Arabia.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

Yes, too bad we stopped with just the first two suggestions.


Freedom Fan
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

Isn't it interesting how Charles rails about nazis when his site is run in such a fascist manner?

By shutting out diversity of opinion he has lost all credibility.


Arab
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

What a load of bs!! Just another bigot, anti-Muslim and anti-semite.

Sharia shares a great deal with Jewish law.

Sharia with its many interpretations have given women the right to divorce, to own property and to inherent, 1400 years ago.

Few Muslim countries have already elected women head of states: Pakistan, Indonesia and Turkey…….yet in the US, no woman president. Can you explain why?

As to rape, by the Pentagon (the tool of oppression and colonialism) own records, there were 3000 rapes in 2006 in the military and that 80% of soldiers convicted of rape get honorable discharges (meaning: sexual assault is not reported on their records).

This is the same military that claims it is “freeing Afghani” women. What a load of BS.

What are your thoughts on this, anti-semite?


Dave
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 8:21 pm

Sorry, you lost me when you said “Most of Wall Street are democrats”


Arab
Comment posted April 24, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

Hugo Chavez is Christian and he still hates the neo-Nazi republicans lead by war-criminal Bush. And he is not alone. All of south America and most of Europe protested what your killer leaders have done to so many innocent people.

So what if Arabs were Christians? They would still never become your negros. Never.

History is taking notes.


Der Bruno Stroszek
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 2:53 am

There's something hilarious about a user called “Freedom Fan” advocating forced conversions.


Der Bruno Stroszek
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 3:00 am

Yes, because calling someone a “leftard” shows absolutely no hatred of the opposition. And “seeking to silence it”? By criticising it? That's not less freedom of speech, son – it's more. You're projecting your own totalitarianism onto other people.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 4:53 am

Look at the company Osamo keeps.GE – All banks are getting campaign payback.Plus global warming is bullshit.All these companies that make green tech will sell us down a river .Im all for green tech,but not because of climate change.There will be big money in it for us to sell to other countries.Green Tech if done right will advance the human condition.We should not have to pay for it.There are many investers for clean tech bull.Use their money.Let all new green companies pay no tax-lower cap gains tax to 10%.and there you go.A recovery without our money.But obama bin laden doest want that.He wants your money.He wants us to rely on government.Please reply back id like to talk not argue TALK


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 4:58 am

George Soros-All banks getting our money-GE Who is so in bed with bin laden that he order biased news on local TV…SAD SAD SAD.Talk to any real estate agent.When they sell on average 50 homes a year for decades,then CRA REFORM in 98,THey sell 100 ayear.Why doesnt Dems understand too many rules fold up the market


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 5:00 am

I understand NO ONE LIKES BUSH…You will wish he was back by the time this yahoo gets done.


Ron.
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 6:05 am

Charles Johnson has just been caught posting a photograph that has been photoshopped.

Johnson is a disgrace,take a look…


Ron.
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 6:06 am

Charles Johnson has just been caught posting a photograph that has been photoshopped.

Johnson is a disgrace,take a look…

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025829.php#r…


Ron.
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 8:07 am

Johnson caught posting FAKE photograph.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs…


Tena
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 9:41 am

Squeaky Johnson?????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Holy cow – I'm gobsmacked.

Next someone will tell me the Rotweiler has turned into an Obama fan.


truthynesslover
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 10:19 am

Thanks for finally waking up,Mr.Johnson.The repub;ican party has become a bunch of bigots,wackos and sociopaths being led by corporate interests that abuse them.


truthynesslover
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 10:22 am

Bush ruined the WORLD!
Thanks for the 2 unwinnable wars and the international economic collapse.Dont forget to tell your kids who you voted for when they ask what happened!


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 10:40 am

i beg to differ..demacrats run wall street,,why do think GE in bed with OBAMA..They hijacked the media to push bullshit green tech.Im not a whacko,i just understand that big government is a sham.Reagen and Clinton had it right SMALL GOV.I wish we could split this country in half….CAPITALISM. PURE CAPITALISM(im talking no bailouts…no soc sec…..NO SOCIAL PROGRAMS WHATSOEVER.Taxes for schools,defense,only.keep all the fruits of your labor.THE other half can be OBAMALAND.In 10-15 years poverty will overtake your special socialist half country…But id bet liberal would just complain that we tricked them to take the bad half,and still want that pile of wealth we would sit on.They say socialist hate CAPITALISM,but they love it……THEY LOVE TO STEAL IT. READ ECONOMICS BEFORE YOU VOTE NEXT TIME


imp
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 11:00 am

Mr. Johnson, when you attack creationism, here is what you are really saying to millions of evangelical christians who support the neoconservative movement:

“If creationism isn't true, then the Book of Genesis lied. And all it takes is one lie for the Bible to be disproven as the word of God. And if the Bible is not the word of God, then the Jews are not the Chosen People. In fact, for claiming that they are the Chosen People of the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, they would have to be the most dishonest and arrogant people in the world.”

Now, we all know that the neoconservative movement depends heavily on the support of the American evangelical christian community, and evangelical christians are basically simple-minded people who live in a bubble of delusion. By pricking this bubble with regard to creatonism, you are undermining their belief system and ensuring that the neoconservative movement will suffer as evangelical christianity declines.

Given the degree of support which you have received in the past from the neoconservative community, I am surprised at your seeming eagerness to turn against Israel in its time of greatest need. When did you get it into your head that you're so important now that you can abandon your friends?


PopeRatzo
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 11:30 am

My guess is that you have not been missed, Marybel.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 12:18 pm

Bush wasnt even president in 98 when CRA reform set stage for greedy wallstreet.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 12:28 pm

hey ARAB.YOU ARE WRONG.Move to France YOUR IN OUR WAY.TAKE OBAMA BIN LADEN WITH YOU….RETARD


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 12:30 pm

The democrats invented slavery.YOUR THEIR NEXT SLAVE.


rusty
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 12:37 pm

Gee, it's almost as if speaking the truth is… more important than being popular with people who believe in fairy-tales?


rusty
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 12:45 pm

“Apparently Spencer has not heard of the Dominationists.”

That's because they're called DOMINIONISTS not DOMINATIONISTS.


rusty
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 12:46 pm

For the record, Andrew Sullivan PUBLISHES dissent every freakin' day.


rusty
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 12:49 pm

“RETARD”

says the bigot with no spelling or syntax skills. >sigh<


rusty
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

There is no mention of Jesus in the creation myth of the bIble. In fact, there's no mention of a Son at all in the entire OT. It's almost as if someone… made it up?


Aaron
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 12:58 pm

Wow… so by being against creationism, someone is ipso facto an anti-Semite. That's some interesting logic there!

Of course, evangelicals believe that at the “End Times”, Jews will either be converted to followers of Jesus or will be thrown into a lake of sulfur. Were I Jewish, I think I'd take the anti-creationist over the guy who wants to see me convert or perish.

As for the fall of the neoconservative apparat, perhaps you are and your evangelical friends might shed a tear, but most of us will be celebrating. The neocon ideas, sounded as good on paper as did our soldiers being welcomed with flowers in Iraq… and both of these enjoyed similar fates when faced with reality.

The truth is that in the interest of furthering US national interests (whose alleged ties to evangelical interests are only coincidental), the neocon plots have actually set our interests back decades. We now face a resurgent Iran whose primary regional counterweight (Iraq) is now in the hands of politicians and clerics much more sympathetic to the Iranian cause. Meanwhile, while trying to make oil fields safe for democracy, we allowed the Taliban to pour into Pakistan, regroup, and now threaten the stability of a Muslim country that actually *does* have weapons of mass destruction. Meanwhile, our international adventurism has cost us a pretty penny– not to mention the compromise of our humanity in the form of a pervasive program of torture approved from the top– and the only thing it's reaped is more intense global hatred for us.

So yeah, R.I.P. neocon movement. Better yet, start spinning in your grave.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

HUGO is a socialist.Thats why his people are poor you phuckstick.


Rewite!
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

Be careful out there. Re-visiting LGF can be hazardous to your PC, if you've ever been banned there or said anything Chas doesn't like elsewhere using your LGF handle. Chas will assault it with some particularly nasty malware, etc.

If you must watch the Friday night coliseum slaughters, Amazon Blogathons, or check for the impending meltdown — use a different IP address.


Fla Sooner
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

Aaron: Bravo! I have never seen the Neocon disaster summed up more intelligently or succinctly.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 3:12 pm

im not a bigot.i love all .capitalism is the only way to help the poor.


youreamoron
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

He and the Republicans had years to change it, now, didn't they?


Bob Davidson
Comment posted April 25, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Umm, CRA came out in 1977, and for 30 years managed to somehow not ruin America. Get your timeline straight.


Henrik R Clausen
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 12:19 am

“Look at the company Osamo keeps.”

Exactly.

“All banks are getting campaign payback.”

It would seem so. Obama got more private sector support than any candidate before him. That generates gratitude, and a willingness to provide reciprocal help. Not good.

“There will be big money in it for us to sell to other countries. Green Tech if done right will advance the human condition.We should not have to pay for it.”

Here in Denmark we're making billions off it already. Wasting billions on 'bailing' banks and other financial institutions from their misadventures doesn't get the US any nearer to developing more Green Tech. On the contrary, it draws all kinds of resources *away* from Green Tech and other productive activity.

For now, I'm getting concerned about what will happen to the dollar as such.


Katie
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 12:30 am

It's nice to see someone who has principles in addition to ideology.


Katie
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 12:33 am

You know, some of us Christians think that the Book of Genesis is not in conflict with Charles Darwin. Darwin after all was a devout Episcopalian. http://www.cor.org/worship-sermons/sermons/show…


Henrik R Clausen
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 12:35 am

“Chas will assault it with some particularly nasty malware, etc.”

I'm taking that with a grain of salt. Or two…

Probably the best response to Chas and his 'fascist' witch-hunt is to ridicule fascism. Nazism too, now we're at it. Fascism was at least a somewhat consistent, if stupid, attempt to organize society in a novel way. Nazism was brutal opportunism taken to the max. But at least they had a better uniform designer than did the Italians. I think someone famous was behind the Nazi uniforms.

Someone mentioned Jonah Goldberg and his book “Liberal Fascism”. While I think Goldberg takes some excessive stabs at Hollywood etc., his basic narrative is sound, and sets the whole origin of Italian fascism (in particular) in its relevant historical perspective, closely related to Soviet Communism.

Telling the world just how stupid fascism is, in all its variations, is a service to mankind.

It might make Charles Johnson look silly, too, but that's just a side effect.


Henrik R Clausen
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 2:30 am

Charles himself admits that he has no competence in identifying photoshopped pictures. I think he's right this time. There are two obvious flaws in the image he posted:

1) The light is wrong. The two face in the foreground have light from the left, as on a vaguely sunny day, while the demonstration in the background has diffuse light as if overcast.

2) The context is wrong. The background mob would probably love to chase away the two persons in the foreground ('fascists') – and noone in their right minds would pose smilingly in front of an Antifa demonstration the way they do.

Due dilligence is not what Charles does best.


Henrik R Clausen
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 3:12 am

Thinking of it, it is likely that his left-wing European sources (Antifa is the main extremist movement here, at least the Danish branch is explicitly in favor of using violence) provided him with the picture in the first place – it is an Antifa background, after all – and that Charles, uncritical of his 'own' extremists, didn't suspect any problems. The picture is probably just a prank created by some Antifa member.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 8:53 am

Another topic..I was called racist for not supporting Obama agenda,which I totally oppose…Reminds me of that lunitic Garalfolo or whatever her name is.I need a statist view on my point ,if someone will reply.


America the FREE
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 9:24 am

The Bible is based on faith,No religion should be ridiculed.Pay no attention to people that dont believe.Most are shallow leftists that know nothing about economics.For Christ sakes,they hate our economic system,in which are poor live better than the middle class in other countries.When America is done flirting with Socialism,this Obama guy will destroy the democratic party,and things will go back to normal.Buckle up though…What has been done so far will have horrible outcomes,before the majority of the people wake up. The economy will not recover for 2-5 years ,and unemployment will reach 12-15 percent.Just remember ,when some republicans appear mean or uniffective,they are trying to right the wrongs and will get no support from statists,or from the media.This is a war that capitalism will conquer,but it will take time.If your republican,you already have that drive that garantees success.No-one can keep you down.I grew up in poverty.Every year gets better.My wife and I started with 10,000 ayear jobs 10 years ago,and now we are six figures.We will be rich someday with no help fron anyone.Just believe in your-self…Being confident,and truthful,beats ant social progrom…GOD BLESS


Passerby
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 12:52 pm

Hm, did the reporter even watch the video of Bush “bowing”… to receive some kind of pendant? Bush was not bowing, a gesture with a completely different intention, than to make it easier to have the pendant placed over his head and around his neck.

This article is less about reporting than supporting Johnson. Just look at the last paragraph, “LGF is his site, and if it has to name names and shame the people who are debasing the movement against extremist Islam, he’ll do it.” The reporter doesn't say Johnson believes he'll do whatever he is decides to do, but that there are debased people that Johnson will name and shame.


radislav
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 1:14 pm

Wow we now know why Johnson turned traitor…he was seen lastnite with Garafalo with each others tongues down each others throats…..a pathetic traitor exposed..no wonder he has been anti-fox and pro-comrade Obama….


radislav
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

Well when the followers of the child raping false prophet Muhammad ,rape a woman she is the one who gets stoned to death….hmmm imagine that

This is why all muslims go straight to hell where they take turns sucking pigshit off allah's dick


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radislav
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

hate to break the news to you but NAZI's were leftwing ..so are facsists so are socialists so are Marxists so are communists…and so are most racists


radislav
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 1:59 pm

nice revisisonist history…economy Clinton/Carter enabled by Fwank

News FLASH we won in Iraq unless Comrade Obama drops the ball

dont forget to tell your kids Comrade Obama stole their wealth and their kids wealth and that you voted for his marxist ass ….


America the FREE
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

Democrats started crisis in 1998 with reform of CRA.Dodd ,Obama and Acorn,Barney Frank,Maxine Walters,ect fought against reform again in 2004.Bush started an unpopular costly war,and started the first bailout.SEC and the FED both dropped the ball.This is both party faults yet they both blame each other.How about getting the economy going again.


heatsketch
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 5:42 pm

Robert Spencer has never once spoken in favour of deporting Muslims for being Muslims, or banning the Qu'ran. Furthermore, he has dissected every single one of Charles Johnson's baseless claims against him and refuted them point by point. I can't say the same for vice versa.

When Geert Wilders said the Qu'ran should be banned (once, years ago) he wasn't seriously calling to ban the Qu'ran, but only making a point that under the Netherlands CURRENT hate speech laws, it should be banned. Geert Wilders was merely pointing out the fallacy of allowing religion to take precedent over the current laws of the land.

The only question is whether Charles Johnson's libelous claims come from ignorance or malice.


heatsketch
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 5:47 pm

Shariah does share a great deal with Jewish law; after all, much of Islam was plagiarised by Muhammed from Judaism! The thing is, over the centuies Judaism has reformed and modernized, while Islam has not.


TravisMonitor
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

“If there is a valid criticism against the Left, it pertains to lack of discipline.”
Yes, the left-blogs are sewers of bad language.
It is simply not true that left-blogs are more open than right-blogs. Leftblogs shut down conservative comments with an iron fist. I know. Been there done that.
Joe Romm's blog a ThinkProgress site? Post things that refute the Joe Romm view on global warming and your comments will go into a black hole, never to be seen. Kos? banned for defending anything wrt Bush. Black hole. DU? Banned if you say anything remotely normal and not insanely bizarrely hyper-partisan. And so it goes.
Usually liberals dont think this censorship is happening on left-blogs because it doesnt happen to them – its like whites thinking racism doesnt exist, I guess.


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Brendan D
Comment posted April 27, 2009 @ 10:37 am

It must be pretty damned hard being someone who loves this country but misunderstands so much of it.

Ronald Reagan did NOT reduce the size of government; that was just a claim that was made because, well, he was going up against incoherent idiots like Mondale and Carter. In fact, Reagan dramatically INCREASED the size of government, probably unnecessarily, under the guise of defending against the USSR. The problem was that even the most conservative estimates had the Soviet Union crumbling by the mid-1990s; and, in fact, Gorbachev probably prolonged its existence with that good ol' “Nyet” doctrine.

Nor did Bill Clinton shrink the size of government. DOMA imposed a federal restriction on religions like the Unitarians and UCCs who wished to perform same-sex marriages. The Communications Decency Act actually increased speech regulations more than anything this side of the USA PATRIOT Act. He also introduced SCHIP and created AmeriCorps. So how exactly did that reduce the size of government?

Finally, you encourage people to read economics (I presume you mean “study”) before voting. I couldn't agree more. Perhaps you should heed that advice yourself, though. Pure, unregulated capitalism is absolutely insane; that's what kept Chile in the dark ages for decades — remember, Pinochet wanted “to make Chile not a nation of proletarians, but a nation of proprietors,” based solely on a complete free-market economy. When you have that kind of economic anarchy, however, it becomes just as repressive as the government repression you seek to escape; when corporate conglomerates can take over every business in town, you lose the sense of variety that the truly competitive free market inherently needs to survive. The president who probably best understood this was, in fact, a Republican: Theodore Roosevelt. So perhaps, Mr. Free, you might want to take a look at both history and economics before declaring your unrelenting support for free-market anarchy — unless, of course, you approve of living in a plutocracy.


Brendan D
Comment posted April 27, 2009 @ 10:45 am

I'm not really sure how you got to that brilliant conclusion, considering that Nazism sought to create a race of pure Germanic blood (which is cultural conservatism at its most rudimentary), fought to kill and/or expel not only Jews but homosexuals as well, and was/is inherently autocratic, which automatically makes it anti-liberal (liberalism believing in democracy, or, at least, non-autocratic governance).

But perhaps most damning to your statement is one of Hitler's own: “Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not.” Hitler sought to redefine the idea of what socialism is, turning it from an anti-conservative movement to an anti-leftist one.


Brendan D
Comment posted April 27, 2009 @ 10:49 am

Question: When wars are over, don't they usually… um… end?

Unless you're going to argue that the Iraq War ended with the official dissolution of the Hussein regime, when Saddam went into hiding and the coalition overtook Baghdad (which, actually, is a point where we'd agree), and that every single day we've been there since then has been as an unofficial police force, then you've got no leg to stand on.

The only reason we have to stay in Iraq if the war is over and we've won is because we want to make it a colony. Are you advocating for that?


America the FREE
Comment posted April 27, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

Unrelated.Rasmussan Polls just in says 77% of Americans want Free Markets.Just when I thought A mericans were losing,I am wrong.Apparently some who voted Obama thought he would govern from the middle(how they believed that is beyond me,Ihad this figurered out when the campaign started).Anyway,America is back.Thank all of you who woke up to stop the POVERTY TRAIN OF SOCIALISM.


elmo
Comment posted April 27, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

Golly gee, FREE, thanks for edumakating us…who knew GE was a Wall Street investment bank and not an energy company?


elmo
Comment posted April 27, 2009 @ 1:47 pm

Prove it, hotshot….


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Truth be told
Comment posted April 27, 2009 @ 8:15 pm

heatsketch posted..

“Robert Spencer has never once spoken in favour of deporting Muslims for being Muslims, or banning the Qu'ran. Furthermore, he has dissected every single one of Charles Johnson's baseless claims against him and refuted them point by point.”

The truth is in the last few LGF threads Robert Spencer posted in he claimed that he had no idea Fjordman advocated mass deportations of Muslims. In doing so, he was admitting that he didn't do any research at all into his new pal's well known agenda.

Then again he could fault Spencer for not actually reading any of Fjordy's 10,000 word essays. Djude is the worst writer ever. It takes him 20 pages of blah blah blah to say “put em all on rail cars and get rid of them!”


Ron.
Comment posted April 27, 2009 @ 10:22 pm

Joshua Trevino wrote this about johnson.

Charles Johnson’s disenchantment with a movement he did much to create is more likely a function of his contrary nature than his active conscience, but it would be ungracious to pry overmuch.

Then johnson crys like a baby and says this.

Apparently Treviño doesn’t think it’s “ungracious” to imply that I don’t have an “active conscience.”

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The liberals used to call that stuff McCarthyism. Are some forms of McCarthyism okay now?


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This is how you can tell a guy with ethics- they apply, even when they aren't for the benefit of his narrow self-interest.

The sad thing is he really did think he could ride the tiger of fundamentalist hate groups. There are many reasons why right wingers started attacking Islamic fundamentalists, but the biggest reason is because they are the competition. Christian Fundamentalists look at the middle east in jealousy, wondering why they can't have suicide bombers too (this sentiment was actually expressed by a fundie, I believe in the movie “Jesus Camp”).


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Charles, when it appears that everyone else has changed but you have stayed the same, what does that tell you? A long hard look in the mirror, perhaps?


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I used to follow LGF daily, and appreciated the anti-jihad (and anti-moonbat) work, but increasingly it was just getting uglier and uglier as it went along. I eventually couldn't take anymore and stopped reading.

But this past week I decided to check it out again, and wow, the thought that came to mind was “what happened to Charles Johnson?” So I Googled that phrase, and ended up at this page. That's some dark and ugly stuff going on at LGF. I also noticed a few other items:

* He used to display the site access stats. Not anymore. Maybe because readership is way, way down?

* Lots more advertising, and it's more generic stuff (as opposed to ads that advertisers pay for to get onto your site in particular). This too seems to indicate that the popularity of LGF is way off what it used to be.


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Regarding Charles over at LGF… He really needs to refill his medication prescription. He's been locking accounts of long term users who had the “nerve” to raise a question or – using his OWN voting system – cast a “thumbs down” vote on anything he posts himself. Sad to say, but LGF has become a complete train wreck.


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Charles Johnson's ideological switch is related to the gay marriage debate, and Johnson's own sexual identity.

Charles is not openly gay. However, he if he was, things would be a lot clearer for the people who are scratching their heads as to why he 'flipped'.

Johnson's later-day attacks on 'creationists' etc, is his attack-by-proxy against the religious forces he views as denying gay rights. His sudden interest in Christians and creationism, time wise, aligns with the rise of the gay-marriage debate on the national (& international) stage.

Johnson's original focus upon radical Islam was sparked by similar concerns (for him personally) about Islamism's threat to liberal democratic values (which of course, include gay rights).

When you approach Johnson's changing views from this vantage point, there is consistency in his motivation.


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then why didn't he “flip” in 2004 when the gay marriage issue was front-and-center?

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