rssKhalid Shaikh Mohammed Was Waterboarded 183 Times, Blogger Discovers
Monday, April 20, 2009 at 9:25 am
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After digging through the newly-disclosed Office of Legal Counsel memos, my friend Marcy Wheeler of Firedoglake discovered that CIA interrogators waterboarded 9/11 architect Khalid Shaikh Mohammed 183 times in one month. The New York Times piece that follows up today appropriately acknowledges Marcy’s discovery. (Full disclosure: my personal blog is hosted by FDL.) Marcy’s keen eye for close reading deserves widespread praise.
One thing, substantively: I’ve seen some people mock the idea that what the memos show is actually indicative of a torture regime. Caterpillars in a box? C’mon. .. Let’s cede that objection for the sake of argument.
What the 2005 memos show — and really, it’s what the 2004 CIA Inspector General report shows, since it’s that still-unreleased report that the 2005 memos reference to deal with how the interrogation regime worked in practice — is that once you relax the restrictions on torture, it’s extremely difficult in practice to not cross the subsequently established lines. If it’s acceptable to waterboard someone once, why not twice, and three times, and so forth. But the Senate Armed Services Committee report last year found that the torture techniques for the exceptional cases of Abu Zubaydah and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed wound up in use at Guantanamo Bay; and the Schlesinger report on Abu Ghraib in 2004 found that the torture techniques “migrated” from Guantanamo Bay (Geneva Conventions-free) to Iraq (Geneva Conventions-required).
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Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 3:52 pm
You have to torture people extensively to force people to “confess” to events that they could not possibly have participate in, and never even happened in any manner consistent with the spurious “endorsement” of the equally spurious “(/11 Commission of Enquiry”, which — as the NARA records show, was notified by me personally when Marco Cordero, a Commission Staffer, telephoned me and was further notified by email, with accompanying video evidence. Mention of this was expunged from the 911 Commission Report, just as Lee Harvey Oswald's official employment with J. Edgar Hoover's murderous FBI organization was expunged from the Warren Commission Report.
Texas Attorney-General Waggoner Carr provided documented proof of Oswald's staff number and salary details to the Warren Commission itself, which chose to ignore then suppress these proven facts. The first most people heard of this was when former President Gerald Ford (a decent man) described it in detail on his memoirs.
Former US Attorney-General John Ashcroft has a very great deal of 'explaining' to do (if he isn't found mysteriously dead first…
Around a couple of weeks after filing formal Criminal Complaints with the Washington DC Field Office of the FBI concerning John Ashcrofts felonious — treasonous, even — activities, I was driving along the M4 from London in a perfect 1987 Ford Capri 2.8u Injection Special. one night when the offside front wheel of my car was shot out with a zinc fragmentation bullet, pitting me instantly into the strung-cables Crash Barrier in the Central Reservation. The police examined the car for two hours. Neither the front wheel nor the front offside tire were ever recovered… The car was a wrute-off. I'm fortunate to be alive; and I intend to stay that way, with any necessary close-in support from my friends in NATO and other militaries… “Be warned…”
For full DVD evidence of the real events of “9/11″, see Pilotsfor911Truth,org (Jeff Latas, former President of the US Air Force Air Accident Investigations Board and his colleagues, including precision reconstruction and analyses of the flight-paths of the four (or more) Boeing jetliners; and ae911Truth.org, Richard Gage and his associates at Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, whose work has just been commended for new revelations as to fact by a top Counter-Terrorism Director of the FBI, Mr. Heimbach.
This failed 'Neo-Con' coup attempt, which took place under cover of the trauma to the world of the evenements of 9/11/2001 iwill be publicly available history, whether Mr. Ashcroft, Mr. Cheney or Mr. Giuliani like it or not. They still have some access to 'killer elites';, but the National Security Agency and indded the entire world's major intelligence organizations (including those of America's NATO Allies) are watching them and their known co-conspirators like hawks, so as to prevent further crimes against US Laws, the US Constitution, International Law, the Laws of War and world civilization itself.
There was never the slightest chance that they could “get away with it.”
Just watch now…
Tony Hollick, England
“The Secret of Happiness is Freedom; and the Secret of Freedom is Courage.” — Thucydides, Classical Greek philosopher and General.
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Comment posted April 22, 2009 @ 10:52 pm
You have to torture people extensively to force people to “confess” to events that they could not possibly have participate in, and never even happened in any manner consistent with the spurious “endorsement” of the equally spurious “(/11 Commission of Enquiry”, which — as the NARA records show, was notified by me personally when Marco Cordero, a Commission Staffer, telephoned me and was further notified by email, with accompanying video evidence. Mention of this was expunged from the 911 Commission Report, just as Lee Harvey Oswald's official employment with J. Edgar Hoover's murderous FBI organization was expunged from the Warren Commission Report.
Texas Attorney-General Waggoner Carr provided documented proof of Oswald's staff number and salary details to the Warren Commission itself, which chose to ignore then suppress these proven facts. The first most people heard of this was when former President Gerald Ford (a decent man) described it in detail on his memoirs.
Former US Attorney-General John Ashcroft has a very great deal of 'explaining' to do (if he isn't found mysteriously dead first…
Around a couple of weeks after filing formal Criminal Complaints with the Washington DC Field Office of the FBI concerning John Ashcrofts felonious — treasonous, even — activities, I was driving along the M4 from London in a perfect 1987 Ford Capri 2.8u Injection Special. one night when the offside front wheel of my car was shot out with a zinc fragmentation bullet, pitting me instantly into the strung-cables Crash Barrier in the Central Reservation. The police examined the car for two hours. Neither the front wheel nor the front offside tire were ever recovered… The car was a wrute-off. I'm fortunate to be alive; and I intend to stay that way, with any necessary close-in support from my friends in NATO and other militaries… “Be warned…”
For full DVD evidence of the real events of “9/11″, see Pilotsfor911Truth,org (Jeff Latas, former President of the US Air Force Air Accident Investigations Board and his colleagues, including precision reconstruction and analyses of the flight-paths of the four (or more) Boeing jetliners; and ae911Truth.org, Richard Gage and his associates at Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, whose work has just been commended for new revelations as to fact by a top Counter-Terrorism Director of the FBI, Mr. Heimbach.
This failed 'Neo-Con' coup attempt, which took place under cover of the trauma to the world of the evenements of 9/11/2001 iwill be publicly available history, whether Mr. Ashcroft, Mr. Cheney or Mr. Giuliani like it or not. They still have some access to 'killer elites';, but the National Security Agency and indded the entire world's major intelligence organizations (including those of America's NATO Allies) are watching them and their known co-conspirators like hawks, so as to prevent further crimes against US Laws, the US Constitution, International Law, the Laws of War and world civilization itself.
There was never the slightest chance that they could “get away with it.”
Just watch now…
Tony Hollick, England
“The Secret of Happiness is Freedom; and the Secret of Freedom is Courage.” — Thucydides, Classical Greek philosopher and General.
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Comment posted September 21, 2009 @ 5:07 am
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