Joe the Plumber at Michigan Tea Party: Saying ‘In God We Trust’ Will Get You Shot In Some Places

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Wednesday, April 15, 2009 at 4:12 pm

Instant icon: Joe "the plumber" Wurzelbacher made headlines last fall when Republican presidential candidate John McCain brought him to light during a debate with Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. He spoke in Lansing Wednesday as part of the national Tea Bag Protest to protest taxes in the country

LANSING, Mich. — Thousands of people descended on the Michigan Capitol earlier today as part of a national movement of “tea parties” to protest high taxes and what they argue is an encroachment of socialism into American government and society.

Addressing the rally was Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, commonly known as “Joe the Plumber,” who became a household name during the 2008 presidential race when Republican presidential candidate John McCain referred to the Ohio resident as “Joe the Plumber,” and used him as a walking metaphor for the American middle class.

“I’m here for one reason and one reason only: It’s ‘I love America,’” Wurzelbacher told the crowd. “Mainstream media wants to paint us as a bunch of extremists, right? We’re in search of liberty and our freedoms. What’s so extreme about that?”

“I’m just regurgitating,” Wurzelbacher said. “I believe in common sense.”

Wurzelbacher went on to lambaste what he said was a rising tide of “socialism” across the country and laid the blame on the U.S. government.

“Let me give you another extremist view, ‘In God We Trust,’” he said to wild applause. “Say that too loud in some parts of America and you will be shot. It’s terrible.”

Hoisting signs with slogans like “Hitler gave speeches too,” “I am only 4 and I am in debt,” and “Revolution or death,” the crowd filled the lawn of the Capitol and listened to other speakers like Scott Hagerstrom of Americans for Prosperity of Michigan; Leon Drolet of the Michigan Taxpayers’ Alliance; and Wendy Day of the Howell school board.

“Take out your cell phones, we’re going to make a call,” Drolet told the crowd. “I’m going to give you a phone number, then we are all going to hit send at the same time.”

Drolet had the crowd call the congressional switchboard, which he said would be flooded by the calls. Then he had the crowd chant: “Are you crazy? Wasting Money? People are suffering? Cut your spending!” Hundreds of cell phones were in the air.

“Let this be just the beginning of a movement. Today they heard us, but we need them to feel us,” Drolet said. “And they feel us when you make a difference in the field of the political arena. When some of the politicians lose their jobs. A recession is when your neighbor losses their job. A depression is when you lose your job and a recovery is when a politician loses their job.”

A selection of signs from the rally:

Former State Rep. Jack Hoogendyk (R-Texas Corners) listens intently to speakers on the steps of the Capitol.

Former State Rep. Jack Hoogendyk (R-Texas Corners) listens intently to speakers on the steps of the Capitol.

Republican U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers of Brighton listens contemplatively to speakers while standing on the steps of the state Capitol.

Republican U.S. Rep. Mike Rogers of Brighton listens contemplatively to speakers while standing on the steps of the state Capitol.

Crowd participants dial the congressional switchboard to send a message to Congress about taxes.

Crowd participants dial the congressional switchboard to send a message to Congress about taxes.

anti-acorn

"Let your gun be your constant companion"

"Let your gun be your constant companion"

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new-world-order
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Todd Heywood is a reporter for TWI’s sister site, The Michigan Messenger.

Comments

122 Comments

Born Again Bird Watcher
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

Hold on a second – if the “liberals” who are for gun control are also the ones (says Joe) against saying “In God we trust,” what will they be using to shoot the people who say it?


Mary
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 2:13 pm

I was wondering where the Michigan Militia had gone. I see you found them.


The Rest of America
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 2:52 pm

Joe or Sam, or whatever the fuck your name is….just WHERE EXACTLY in the United States would you be “shot for saying 'in God we Trust'” Where, Joe? Name some cities, name some states. OH, you can't? You mean that you were just exaggerating to rile up a bunch of toothless, ignorant hillbillies?


Chang!ng
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Since when you need a gun to kill someone… or something? The current government is killing entrepreneurship thanks to the “progressive” ideas of nine-to-fivers.


dan
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

It's long past time to change his name to Joe the Retard.


The Rest of America
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 3:28 pm

How do you explain that in the 30 years of the “trickle-down” era, that while American Productivity and GDP have skyrocketed, that the actual REAL WAGES Americans make on average have gone down? So, average Americans are working harder, producing more, and making less? Sure, our millionaires have become billionaires, but the reality is that making the rich richer does not necessarily mean more money for the rest of us.


kim
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 3:44 pm

progressive fascism—huh?


go
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 3:54 pm

Would ya please just look at the FACT that in the 1960's the top one percent controlled an incredibly smaller amout of the wealth in this country than today no matter how you measure ithttp://www.albionmonitor.com/9711b/gopclass.html. Unless you are worth more than around 10 million you have been massively screwed out of some of your pie.


Teri
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

Sorry tea tottlers, this just reminds me of the McCain/Palin rallies last year. A bunch of hate signs and conspiracy theories. As a fellow residents in Michigan I would think you would be thankful the additional help Michigan is getting to pay things like our skyrocketing unemployment benefits since we just hit 12.6 %.

If this is all we can expect from the Republicans in the future I guess this Independent will be voting Democratic from now on.


raisethebar
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

sorry, but i think you're being extremely naive if you think you can reason logically with people like “chang!ing”….


JillQ
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

So what you're saying is that Joe the Plumber didn't mean “you'll be shot” with a gun, but with ideas? You have a strange dictionary.


ScoobyDubious
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 4:11 pm

WTF are these people even talking about? They just make up imaginary scenarios in their head fueled by right-wing paranoia, conspiracy theories and outright IGNORANCE.

Let me get this straight here: They are protesting a 5% tax increase (to 39%) on people making over 250,000 a year? They are protesting a middle class tax CUT? And this supposedly makes Obama a “socialist”?

Obama's tax policies wouldn't even take effect until 2011, so are they protesting the CURRENT BUSH taxes?

Republican Presidents: Reagan taxed the wealthy at 50%, Nixon at 77%, and Eisenhower at 91%!!
Does that mean that they were all “socialists” too? These “teabaggers” don't even understand the meaning of the words they are using. they don't even know what they are supposedly protesting against.

They are pawns being played by the GOP to vote against their OWN best interest!
It would be funny if it weren't so damn pathetic.

And Joe the Ignoramus – aren't the lefties supposedly anti-gun?


ScoobyDubious
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 4:13 pm

What i should have added….

Basically these are right-wingnut sheeple who are still angry that a black man was elected President.


az lib (aka a moderate)
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 4:18 pm

This name calling is really crazy – left is socialist, right is fascist. What are these clowns talking about? A black Hitler? These folks need to erad a little history. Hitler killed blacks (and Jews, etc.) he wasn't one of himself.


Andrew
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 4:32 pm

The “tea party” has been organized by pub powers who have kept a low profile to give the appearance of “grass roots”. The tea folks are screaming about taxes that are being cut for them – what fools. They scream about debt to prevent a deep recession, where were they when boy george ran it up? I hope the Secret Service can protect Obama. If one of the Right Wing assassins gets lucky, I've been hearing (from progressives) that top pubs will be targeted in retaliation – sad state of affairs.


Nash
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 4:33 pm

Flakes!


Andrew
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 4:40 pm

Chang!ng: What kind of drugs are you on? The pubs pushed thrugh dereg which combined with a recession to create the credit crisis that's hurting entrepreneurs along with ever increasing health insurance rates. You clearly have no economics or history backround. I'm an entrepreneur who has been hurt by the pub created disaster. I'm a progressive where 9 to 5 is a day off!


Abee Huffman
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

Ignorance breeds hate, fear, contempt. These people are just plain ignorant sheeple being led by their nose by forces of greed, power and contempt….aka the Republican party


KarenT
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 5:03 pm

In all the video and photos I've seen from the day, why is every single person a white person? this does not represent America. 71% of people approve of Obama on the economy. These puppets are there representing the rich who will simply get a 3% tax increase back to where they were under Clinton and 10% below where they with Reagan. The people protesting are already getting a tax break!


Ken
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

There's no hope for these people or the general republican voter. If these people don't realize by now that they were screwed by the clown they voted for, then there's nothing we can do for them. Give them a gun (a voting ballot) and they will shot us AND themselves in the foot. All you can do is try to keep the gun out of their crazy little right-wing hands (having someone with a brain in the White House).


god fearing liberal
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 5:17 pm

I know a few places you'd be mugged if you were dumb enough to be standing around there and talking to yourself. Maybe thats what he's talking about.


Ken
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 5:18 pm

By the way, WHERE THE F*** were these people when Bush was urinating in their faces? Now someone comes along with water and towels and they want to protest? Revolution or Death??? Are they serious? Naaaw…can't be.


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paul
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 5:33 pm

the right wing is completely delusional.. and they have followers


Mike
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 5:38 pm

Oh my! Joe the Plumber must have gotten really pissed off when his taxes went up.


ajax
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 5:39 pm

Gotta Love Joe the Plumber! He's Regurgitating! He's Regurgitating all over the place because he loves america…union busting…and off-shored jobs….and white people and anything his masters say they want him to say because he's got the microphone at the moment. What about those TV converter boxes joe and by the way, has your book sold 400 copies yet? Are you rich yet joe? read where you'd do anything or say anything for money. what's that called joe?


ajax
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 5:41 pm

these people are really into republican golden showers. i hear they pay upwards of 10k to have their leader, rush limbaugh, piss on them. joe the plumber will piss on ya for about 20 bucks.


De Bonhome
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 5:49 pm

Haveng been in America for 10 years and today proud of being american and Republican, I was so happy for the outcome of the last elections. I said this was the momentum of the American pride given the racial and segregation history of this country.
For that reason America has gained more confidence from abroad so it can one more time lead the world. Instead of capitalizing this change of the era, some people are puting all the capital in the trash. Fine. It's up to america to do what they want. But I will remember Hannity one day during the campaign saying:” Now we are going to have a Black President in America what Europeans who used to considering us as racists, are they going to say?” B.K. Dallas, TX.


J
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

To be honest I really don't see why Americans are so afraid and/or hate socialism so much. It's actually a pretty good set of policies, especially in hard economic times like these. It seems like some kind of thing that people go and hate because they were brought up and told to hate it and they have little to no understanding of it – you can see this by some people holding up anti-socialist signs and anti-fascism signs (Hitler??), and they're both in fact quite different. I really don't get all the socialism hate.


marilynr
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:05 pm

my thoughts exactly. i had people come up to me and brag they attended this. i asked them where they were when bush was in office. why weren't they protesting then?


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dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

We are mad about the Republican over-spending too. Everybody said we needed the TARP – so we got it – and it didn't work.

We are concerned that Obama and the Congress are spending too much money and are radically changing our government behind closed doors.

Change is OK – but putting America into bankruptcy is not. We do not need the government to take care of us, nor do we want to pay other people's mortgages in addition to our own. With the excuse of “stimulating” the economy, they passed every liberal “wish list” program in that stimulus bill. Nobody even read the bill. Unfortunately, most of the programs in that bill will not create jobs. So we should spend money for the sake of spending money?


allmymarbles
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

Joe the Plumber is an attention-getting nobody – an opportunist. I am an atheist, but I don't intend to shoot anybody – unless they force me to support Joe the Plumber.


Jatinder
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:26 pm

It is stupidity gone Ph.D.! It is amazing that the a major political party in America is propagating this stuff. I thank my stars that Republicans have gone 'Stupid' and not 'Nazi' so far. But who knows?


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:28 pm

Socialism is a great idea, but we have seen it played out in Europe and other countries. It doesn't work because “Eventually you run out of other people's money” -Margaret Thatcher.

With socialism, people are not encouraged to be successful. The more successful, the more you are penalized.


Young for Love
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:29 pm

The problem with Joe the Tea-Bagger is that his argument is fundamentally flawed. Suggesting that people will got shot for saying “in god we trust” supports America's propensity to resort to gun violence for outrageous things – like loving things. We all know that “Joe the Tea-Baggin' America Lover” would be flatly agaisnt stricter gun regulations, but yet he is fully willing to address a problem caused by lack of intelligent gun regulations – namely, that you can get shot for saying just about anything, including what you love, what you trust, and what you believe in – all in the same sentence, which happens to be on our currency.


Jatinder
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:30 pm

In many parts of the country, “In god we do not trust” will definitely get you killed. We call them them the fly-over parts of America.


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:32 pm

The Republican party had nothing to do with this. In fact, Michael Steele (the Republican Leader) wanted to speak, but they said they would rather not have politicians speaking. They wanted the politicians to listen. Regular mom's and dad's spoke and Joe the Plumber.

We are not stupid – we have looked at the facts and are worried about the direction our country is being taken. We want to do something before it is too late and government is entrenched everywhere.

Why is it that we are “stupid” when we have a protest, but the left-wing isn't. Why don't we have the right to our opinion without being insulted?


Jatinder
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:33 pm

Question to the RICH REPUBLICANS:
How many yatchs are enough? — quote from the movie, 'Wall Street'


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

I was at the rally and did not hear him say such a thing.

If he did, it must have been figuratively, meaning people will attack him and give him a hard time. He is right, because you are all attacking him here.


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:37 pm

What do you mean you will shoot him? Should I call the police?


Young for Love
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

acutally all of it will create jobs. Job creation is about 'confidence' – not literal job creation. They only way America will ever go bankrupt is if we have no regs on capital controls, securities, lending, and by fighting wars that you can't win. Spending money for the sake of spending money is an economic theory that has been proven profitable by us during the great depression, by China, South Korea, France, Chile, and Brazil. All of those countries are during well, except for us, and that's because we switched ecnomic theories to one that doesn't work – stemmed on total de-regulation, liberalizing capital markets as much as possible, and over-leveraging debt. This has proven to be a failure, not just with us, but with Indonesia, Ethiopa, Japan (pretty much of all East Asia – hence, the East Asia Crisis), Russia, Argentina, and Mexico, (pretty much all of Latin America). The only countries doing well right now are countries that have not listened to the United States on how to run their economy, and these are the countries wer are borrowing from.

simply arguign that we shouldn't spend is weak and the situtation is much more complicated then that argument would ever lend itself to.


allmymarbles
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:38 pm

“Stupid and not Nazi”? Aren't they trying to control us with religion? The Naxis had the same mindset, but a different agenda.


awake108
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

Joe Where in this country will you get killed if you proclaim in God We trust?


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

I did not see any rich people there. I know I can't tell by looking, but there were no fancy cars or anything like that. Most people were working people like me who had to take off work to come.


allmymarbles
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:40 pm

No. There is no reason to run up your phone bill.


Jatinder
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:41 pm

Capitalism: It the system of saving incompetent capitalists and running out of other people's money not only in this country but also the whole planet!


allmymarbles
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

That is because he is a jerk.


Kevin
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:42 pm

I love it. I am a retired veteran and this out of control spending is not what I served my great country for. It is not a democrat, republican, liberal or conservative issue. This is an issue of a government that has grown out of control. It goes back to the early 1900's. Our country was founded on the rule of LAW!!!!!
Not mob rule. Things swing both ways at times, but we always have the rule of law ( the constitution) to guide us. I don't know how we got so far from our roots, but it must stop!!!!!. We do not have any leaders in politics that are worthy of representing us. We need new leaders. Kevin


Young for Love
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

I agree and support that Republicans did nothing about this. I wish someone would tell fox news. Ron Paul's supporters, much more liberatarians, brought this on, and they DO NOT SUPPORT WAR. When you don't fight wars you can't win and don't end, you don't need to tax the crap out of people.

I do not understand your “doing something before government is entrenched everywhere.” You want government around in case shit hits the fans. What you don't want is Wall Street entrenched everywhere, because those private interests will surely get you screwed – oh wait – already happened.

Nothing about this is stupid, what is is vague. It's vague because nothing was said of this when the previous administration was running us into the ground in debt with war, except democrats. And when we spoke out, we were criticized for being anti-american.

All I want is for people to be clear. If you are a liberatarian, you are against ALL government spending, this includes war, missiles, weapons, and killing muslims. The problem is that I don't see this clarity. I see signs like, “I am small business owner being taxed, and now I got my gun.” We are making up for lost 8 years of debt collection, and that is shitty for anyone to have to do… but sometimes shit needs to be done right.


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

Unfortunately, African Americans and other minorities voted for Obama, simply because he is black. This is not me guessing – they are not ashamed to say it.

Also, minorities, as you probably know, are significantly more poor and less educated. The democrats win over poor people because they say “They care” and “poor you” and “those selfish rich people”, etc.. But most of all, poor people are won over by Democrats because Democrats support entitlement programs. Poor people are more dependent on the government, which is not a good thing.


J
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:47 pm

Why don't we have the right to our opinion without being insulted?

Hmmm maybe because you rethugs… do the same. Where were you when ole W. was taking this country of ours to hell in a handbasket ???


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

By the way – I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers. His approval rating is in the 60s and going down. But, interestingly, his disapproval rating is in the 40s.


Young for Love
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

please cite the specific constitutional provision you are referring to. I have heard it a million times, mostly from Rush, Eric Kantor, Rob Boner, Jindal. Please cite the constitutional provision you are referring to. Art 1, cl. 11, permits the government to tax the citizenry. Please rebut.


allmymarbles
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:51 pm

He is not really on Earth, but on Mars, along with Sarah Palin.


Young for Love
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:52 pm

His taxes went down a little, just like mine. But, that is not the point of the protest.

We are trying to stop the spending so that we will not be dealing with massive deficits for years and years (not to mention inflation).

In the end our taxes will have to go up, because the projected deficit with his spending plan is approximately $8-10 Trillion over 5 years.


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

His “regurgitating” comment was taken out of context. He just told us that he has been reading lots of books and has talked to lots of people. He is just a guy that wants the government to get back its common sense. Isn't that a worthy goal?

He did not want to take credit for thinking of the original ideas, so he called it “regurgitating”. He was summarizing ideas that he believed in, just like you do.


Abby
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:57 pm

Sounds like a lot of crazy talk.


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:58 pm

Could you expand on that a little bit. I am not sure what you mean?

If the capitalists were incompetent, then they would not be saved by capitalism. They would fail, and then hopefully find something they could do better.


Kevin
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 6:59 pm

Where in my statement did you read anything about taxing the people????? Having trouble understanding what I am saying? I am talking the provisions that call for limited government, and things not delegated to the federal government where to be up to the states, in other words the PEOPLE!!!!!! Understand now????? Kevin


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 7:05 pm

I'm not sure what you mean by “spending money” has been proven profitable by us during the Great Depression, unless you believe the myth that the “New Deal” helped get us out of the Depression. It actually dragged it out longer.

World War II got us out of the Great Depression.

I don't believe the rest of the world is doing well right now, so I guess I am not convinced by the argument that it is working well for other countries.

It is really not that complicated. Printing a huge amount of money and passing it out to the “chosen” industries will eventually cause inflation. I am not against all spending. Obama has spent more than the last 4 (or maybe more) presidents combined. That is reckless spending – that is what I am against.


bdy
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

What didn't work? The overwhelming majority of the money has not been spent yet and of the money that has been allocated it has only been a few weeks/months.

I agree that most of the stuff in these rescue bills is a waste because they will not achieve maximum economic multiplication, but if we are going to give out money it is economically best to give it to people who have to spend it instead of people who do not need it.


dd
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 7:07 pm

Why do you think that?


holga
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 7:09 pm

where exactly will you get shot for saying “in god we trust?” i dont think i've heard of any such thing. perhaps i missed it.


Kevin
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 7:15 pm

I read the constitution too, things are not even close to being even in this country as far as taxes go. And many other things are not as the founders intended. Too many people have figured out they can just stick their hand out and the government will take care of them. Makes me sick so many people teach their children. to do the same, now you have generations of families that have never worked and blame the government for their lack of success in their lives. But they are still glad to hold their hand out and ask for more. Kevin


David McCuen
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

This is the real thing. We are mad as hell and we won't take it anymore. Stop the spending and the unfair taxing. Everyone should pay some tax. We need to stop supportiing those who refuse to cotribute.


holga
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 7:32 pm

ok… what are you talking about again?


Spoiled Yapping Dog
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Alas, that may be true. Taking a loss with dignity is one thing but this aint it. Freepers would rather the whole world burn than to concede their beliefs. I for one am fed up. If its civil war you want, than its civil war you get, and this time we wont bother to take prisioners.


Born Again Bird Watcher
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 7:57 pm

Silly me; as he was reported as having said “Let me give you another extremist view, ‘In God We Trust,'” [...] “Say that too loud in some parts of America and you will be shot. It’s terrible.” I jumped to the conclusion that he meant shot with a gun. Perhaps that's just my high falutin' college education getting in the way of understanding the Higher Wisdom of Joe.


ScoobyDubious
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 8:16 pm

Not sure where you are getting YOUR numbers from!

His “disapproval” rating is somewhere around 25%. The same figure that always pops up…25% is about all that remains of the right wing sheeple.


ScoobyDubious
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

Why do you hate America?


ScoobyDubious
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 8:23 pm

Man, talk about “myths”. Look at the statistics before you open your mouth.
The New Deal had a massive effect upon the economy leading up to WW2.

But what exactly was it about WW2 that helped our economy even more?
Oh yeah! It was all that massive SPENDING pumping money into the system.

Jesus, you people just talk nonsense.


ray rose
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 8:36 pm

Joe the P,

Tea?

(_)(_)


charles
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

People who read huffington post should go to the rallies with signs that say
“We don't need a military!”
or “Why should I pay more for schools that I never use(d)!”
or “Stop picking up my garbage!”
or how about “Make the people who vote FOR BUSH pay for Iraq, NOT ME!”
Or I'd get a real hoot out of a sign that says “Just because I make millions doesn't mean I should pay more than Joe!”
or “Why does 'Joe' pay less than me and my millionaire friends?”


Jason_M
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 9:28 pm

You are talking about the 10th amendment and the growth of federal government, first to reform terrible abuses of business — remember? –, then to deal with war and depression. You probably believe that we should have stayed out of the wars, never had a fed income tax, etc. I disagree with you, but still, it's a point of view, though not expressed so anybody who doesn't know history would understand it. But it's too late to return to those golden days of sweatshops, strikebreaking, and lynching. What do you specifically propose we do now?


W
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 9:30 pm

I take it “dd” stands for “dunce dunce”

“Obama has spent more than the last 4 (or maybe more) presidents combined.” – It takes milliseconds of rational, non-Republican thought to realize that's absolute rubbish. TARP was a Bush vehicle, as was the close to $1 Trillion dollars spent on the Iraq war, etc. (And if we follow your “maybe more” thought and include Reagan, we'll suffice to say the sainted Regan managed the unprecedented feat of doubling the national debt as a ratio of GDP.

As for your panicked cries about inflationary spending, the economy has lost so much “value” and capacity is so underutilized at present that the monetary system can absorb quite a significant amount – probably $1-$3 trillion – of capitol injection before inflationary pressures recoup. Joe the (Unlicensed) Plumber might not get this but anyone who took Economics 100 could explain it to him.


Jason_M
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 9:35 pm

I guess you're unhappy about govt spending and the fact that some of the poorest don't pay taxes, plus the left-over canard about welfare queens, etc. It would help your cause if you could be a bit more coherent.


Jason_M
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 9:38 pm

Christianity: It's a great idea but it has never been tried.


Jason_M
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 9:39 pm

What is “common sense?” Does everybody agree about what it is and what actions represent it?


Jason_M
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 9:45 pm

Yes, but the economy and financial system are essentially non-functional, thank you Wall Street, etc etc very much, and without significant spending, it will not recover for a long time. AT least that is the consensus of economists, though many are arguing about the bank thing — reasonable people, as they say, disagree.

I think the tea parties reflect anger at a changing America (minorities, yes, that's what I mean); fear at the sudden loss of perceived economic security; of the race of the President; at the sudden loss of Republican power; and the effect of years and years of extreme and vicious political language on both sides, I might add.


Jason_M
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 9:50 pm

You'd be more credible if you could argue that the New Deal prolonged the depression, but you're just regurgitating (sic) a ling of very conservative economists that some libs are calling Neohooverites. Revisionist view of New Deal. Fine, but don't just say it as fact.

And it really is that complicated, I'm afraid. At least the economy is. You don't serve your side well by saying it's not complicated — like Ross Perot, “simple as that” was satisfying but not enlightening.


Born Again Bird Watcher
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 2:57 am

Silly me; as he was reported as having said “Let me give you another extremist view, ‘In God We Trust,’” [...] “Say that too loud in some parts of America and you will be shot. It’s terrible.” I jumped to the conclusion that he meant shot with a gun. Perhaps that’s just my high falutin’ college education getting in the way of understanding the Higher Wisdom of Joe.


sej
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 9:57 pm

If all it took was a good war to get us out of an economic downturn, wouldn't we already be, uh, like … in an upturn?

And what exactly do you mean by “chosen” industries? Sounds like you don't think the automotive, finance, infrastructure, education, etc. industries are worthy engines of economic recovery…. perhaps somehow those industries won't actually need employees (i.e. jobs)….


Lisa
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 10:08 pm

Where in America would one be shot for saying “in God we trust?” I hope we socialize! I hope we all end up paying higher taxes and get universal healthcare. I hope the government ends up running everything and everyone! Let's halt prayer everywhere. Let's give back our guns. Let's all be socialists!!! Seriously, I don't think this is going to happen, but it's fun to watch the loonies think it is.


Lisa
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 10:10 pm

Only because he's an idiot!


Jack Smith
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 10:17 pm

Putting God's name on a graven image, such as money, is idolatry.


Kurt
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 10:24 pm

Right. Atheists with guns. In America? Soviet Russia for sure, but here? I'm sure there are some militant radical Trotskyites out there, but I'm more scared of the Christian fundamentalists hoarding guns for the Tribulations. Now that's a statement that would get you shot in MOST of America!

Where was this outrage when Bush was handing out bailouts? Oh, right, it's not REALLY about THAT. Where's the outrage over tax havens and corporations using tax loopholes to stiff to taxpayers because of deregulation and lack of oversight? Oh, right, that's socialism. Just like tax breaks for the middle class and tax hikes 10% below those paid under Reagan for the wealthiest Americans is spurring this ersatz outrage. News to me that the Gipper was a dirty Commie… logical coherence, where art thou?


James Allen
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 10:30 pm

Why is it the whenever we have a Democrat in the White House, the conservative fringe starts talking about revolution, buying guns, and generally raising the level fear in the country? This is especially truse if you happen to be a non-white American. When Bill Clinton was President we experienced the militia movement, the rise of the Aryan Brotherhood and so forth. When we were being “Bushed” I don't recall people on the Left, arming themselves, or speaking of Revolution.

Were there ANY non-white Americans attending these “Teabag” rallies?


schizophonic
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

for the past 20 out of 28 years, the debt as a percentage of the GDP has INCREASED. Under Clinton's administration the ratio decreased. The rest of the time, a republican was in power. Oh, and Art Laffer was proven wrong over and over again, BTW – but you wouldn't know who that is, I'm sure. Way to vote against your own interests, and I hope you enjoy your TAX CUT.


Jason_M
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

He says he's just regurgitating. Well, that's honest, but not particularly useful, now is it?


Jason_M
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

Oh, and by the way, the military is the biggest government program of them all. Do you get VA benefits? We would not have this kind of military if back in the early 1900s we did not get involved in “foreign wars” or if we didn't basically rescue Europe from Nazism (and ourselves) and the government didn't come up with the GI Bill that sent vets to school and got them homes.


michaelt
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 6:02 am

i'm fairly a spiritual person but if all these people like Joe are God's spokesmen, well, I have no other choice but to conclude that God's a moron.


Brenda
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 7:29 am

michaelt, you obviously weren't there. I guess “fairly spiritual” people don't know that spiritual people ask God for direction and ask that God's will be done even when their efforts are imperfect. Spiritual people don't “speak” for God. Spiritual people seek and follow God. If you were at the tea party you would have seen the difference. And by the way, being “fairly spiritual” is like being “partly pregnant.” You either are or you aren't. If you think you can speak for God, or that you are spiritual when you choose to follow some (but not all) of the teachings of the Lord, at your discretion, then I am afraid someone has misled you about God. Please, for the sake of your eternal life and the surpassing peace that comes with truly knowing the Lord, please go and talk with your Pastor.


Anne
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 7:51 am

My father was exempt from serving in the Korean war because he was in the Highway Patrol at the time. He also had met his only wife to be. Dad felt it was his duty to sign up because of his love of our country. He served 22 months in active duty, a scout or spy. He then came back and married mom,(lasting 50 years before his death). He did not receive VA benefits, ect. He was self made success from hard, honest work ethics. However, dad taught
all nine of his children, one marriage, to respect our veterans. He said they deserve whatever benefits they get. You and I can speak FREELY today BECAUSE of these great men who fight for our freedom. We ARE the greatest nation in the world. We WERE founded on Christian values. We are very generous in helping other countries. Stopping Nazism was simply HUMANE . The tea parties are 'we the people', simply giving our voice, a freedom so dearly fought for by our couragous veterans. We don't like The outragious spending for programs that WILL NOT be sustainable finacially. BIGGER government is not just this administration. President Bush did start the TARP. This is your country. This is my country. Do we want us to survive? This is why the people are having tea parties.


Anne
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 7:51 am

My father was exempt from serving in the Korean war because he was in the Highway Patrol at the time. He also had met his only wife to be. Dad felt it was his duty to sign up because of his love of our country. He served 22 months in active duty, a scout or spy. He then came back and married mom,(lasting 50 years before his death). He did not receive VA benefits, ect. He was self made success from hard, honest work ethics. However, dad taught
all nine of his children, one marriage, to respect our veterans. He said they deserve whatever benefits they get. You and I can speak FREELY today BECAUSE of these great men who fight for our freedom. We ARE the greatest nation in the world. We WERE founded on Christian values. We are very generous in helping other countries. Stopping Nazism was simply HUMANE . The tea parties are 'we the people', simply giving our voice, a freedom so dearly fought for by our couragous veterans. We don't like The outragious spending for programs that WILL NOT be sustainable finacially. BIGGER government is not just this administration. President Bush did start the TARP. This is your country. This is my country. Do we want us to survive? This is why the people are having tea parties.


Lori
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 7:53 am

Gotta love all the references to guns! and they wonder why the Dept. of Homeland Security issued a report of “concern” of right-wing extremism. And sounds like they're clinging to their guns!!!???


aloha43
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 8:27 am

I thought the conservatives were the ones with the guns.

His “In God We Trust” statement says a lot for his intelligence.


JetSetter
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 8:54 am

Christians killing Jews? check
Christians killing Muslims? check
Muslims killing Jews and Christians? check
Hindus killing Muslims? check
Atheists killing… um… no one as far as I can find.

No Atheist secession movement. No Atheist militia movement. No Atheist protest movement.

I think this rates as “clinging to guns and religion”?

Oh, and BTW – Writing in Fortune magazine, conservative policy analyst Bruce Bartlett, who has a long anti-tax history, says: “The irony of these protests is that federal revenues as a share of the gross domestic product will be lower this year than any year since 1950. The truth is that the U.S. is a relatively low-tax country no matter how you slice the data.”

These people are Faux Nudes watching, partisan Republican sheeple who don't dive a damn about spending, just about the (anaemic) Republican agenda. Period. They are not patriots. They came out in support of this corporate powers-that-be astroturf movement 2 1/2 months ago, but said narry a peep when, for instance, the single greatest increase in the American national deficit occurred in 2003 when GWB rammed the Prescription Drug Benefit through Congress and increased the long-term indebtedness of this country by 20 Trillion dollars!


George
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 9:02 am

Comparing partly pregnant to fairly spiritual could be the funniest thing I've read all day. You're kind of a moron, aren't you?


Jason_M
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 10:12 am

I believe the recent spending is a necessary step in trying to right the economy and financial systems which are listing badly, partly as a result of too LITTLE government regulation and oversight over the last 20 years. Even the radical deregulators, some of them, realize that things went too far and that people were not as great at self-regulation as they wished.

We agree that this is not a republican or democratic issues, although the impression from the media — I wasn't there — is that this group is largely republican voters who don't like Obama. I guess the core, coming from Ron Paul's group, are fundamentalist small-government folks. Maybe that's you.

Vets? Of course, they deserve the benefits and great healthcare and our gratitude and our compassion when they get in trouble. Wonder where you got the idea that I was criticizing the military and your father. It is government that provides those benefits, isn't it? Government as “we the people,” by the way. OUr treatment of vets has been in recent years terrible. I'm hoping for change there.

Folks applaud themselves for their work ethic and grit and determination, but when forces beyond their control hit, they may need help. One source of help is the government; not the only, but one. Very-small-govt people want to eliminate unemployment insurance. Do you?

We can be mad at TARP for being the wrong approach to dealing with the banks. “Let them fail” is okay if you really know what you're talking about; otherwise, it's just blowing off steam. Satisfying but not very useful. But the really outrageous expenditures in the last 8 years, in my opinion, has been for the Iraq War, along with the Bush tax cuts. Combined they have taken us from surplus (remember?) to huge deficits.

Fighting the Nazis was perhaps humane, but it was also essential for our survival. If we had not closed in on ourselves after WWI, when we had become one of the great powers, WWII might not have happened, or at least in the same way.

I of course respect the right to protest. Good luck.


Jason_M
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 10:15 am

You focus on TARP as overspending. The much more serious overspending was Iraq and the tax cuts. Where do you think the money comes from since the Bush tax cuts? From borrowing.

You can not like TARP as a way to deal with the banks, but you can't say “it didn't work” because its too soon. You seem to be regurgitating talking points without really thinking about it and you don't like/are afraid of democrats and Obama.


Jason_M
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 10:49 am

I'm mad as hell that so few people have any knowledge of our history or any awareness of their ignorance of it and that so many are so susceptible to sloganeering and appeals to emotion!


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Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

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Karen
Comment posted April 18, 2009 @ 3:38 pm

There were NO Chrisitans at the tea parties. Jesus was very clear that we are not to complain about taxes – “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s” Matthew 22:21.

there were only heathens at these events.


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Comment posted April 19, 2009 @ 3:27 pm

I can tell you that I am a devoted christian and I was at my tea party along with several other thousands of christians across this country. . I will be at the next one along with several hundred thousand more christians who are not only protesting taxes but we are down right tired of God being taken out of everything. Obama gave a speech recently at one of the Christian colleges and he and his adminstration covered up the religious material in the background. He gives a speech stating the we are not a Christian Judeo nation and if you read the constitution, you will clearly see the relationship stated in almost every document by every one of our founders. You are twisting what Jesus stated, ” Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars” well Ceasar has enough and he needs to learn how to stay within a budget like the rest of us do.


Izzy
Comment posted April 19, 2009 @ 10:27 pm

I can tell you that I am a devoted christian and I was at my tea party along with several other thousands of christians across this country. . I will be at the next one along with several hundred thousand more christians who are not only protesting taxes but we are down right tired of God being taken out of everything. Obama gave a speech recently at one of the Christian colleges and he and his adminstration covered up the religious material in the background. He gives a speech stating the we are not a Christian Judeo nation and if you read the constitution, you will clearly see the relationship stated in almost every document by every one of our founders. You are twisting what Jesus stated, ” Give to Ceasar what is Ceasars” well Ceasar has enough and he needs to learn how to stay within a budget like the rest of us do.


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