Afghanistan, Pakistan Ambassadors Criticize Obama Strategy

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Friday, April 10, 2009 at 12:02 am
Said Jawad and Husain Haqqani

Said Jawad (Embassy of Afghanistan) and Husain Haqqani (Flickr: Micheal Foley Photography)

A rare joint talk by the Pakistani and Afghan ambassadors to the United States Thursday afternoon exposed some differences their countries have with the Obama administration’s new strategy to confront extremism in South Asia, as well as with each other.

Said Jawad, the Afghan ambassador to Washington, and Husain Haqqani, his Pakistani counterpart, gave a wide-ranging presentation at the Atlantic Council of the United States, an organization promoting greater transatlantic ties, in which both diplomats proposed modifications to the Obama administration’s approach to the region. Jawad urged international assistance for the expansion of the Afghan security forces, a major component of administration strategy, to nearly double the size of the administration’s proposal. Haqqani bridled at the prospect of his government having to meet benchmarks for the continued provision of billions of dollars of aid that Congress and the administration have proposed. American self-perceptions as a “can-do, fix-it nation” leads to an “attitude that the world is a problem for America to fix,” Haqqani said. “Please don’t try to fix us.”

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Jawad said his government “very much welcomed” the administration strategy to Afghanistan, which increases U.S. troops for the war there; accelerates the training of Afghan forces; and pledges wide-ranging support for a variety of developmental and governmental projects to stem the tide of insurgent violence. But he cited counterinsurgency theory — something that architects of the administration’s new strategy like Undersecretary of Defense Michele Flournoy have studied closely — to say that Afghanistan ultimately “will need 400,000 security forces” to secure the population against insurgents, including 250,000 soldiers. The administration announced two weeks ago that it would bolster U.S. training and advisory programs to grow the Afghan national army to 134,000 soldiers and the national police force to 82,000 police by 2011.

Asked by TWI how long the expansion would take, Jawad estimated it would require “five to seven years.” He declined to cite a figure for how much the increase would cost. Absent the expansion, he said, “your soldiers will be dying [in Afghanistan] and we don’t like that.”

Jawad conceded that the Afghan police faced serious problems with their competence and their adherence to the law. In September, a TWI reporter in Afghanistan’s Paktia Province watched as Afghan policemen turned a joint U.S.-Afghan raid on a suspected Taliban safehouse into an opportunity to rob the house’s inhabitants , and forced the raid to come to a premature end when their U.S. partners refuse to let them loot the building. Asked by the panel’s moderator, Council President Frederick Kempe, whether Afghanistan needed to restart its police-training program from “scratch,” Jawad replied, “Unfortunately, yes.”

Haqqani, in an occasionally passionate talk, expressed frustration that the United States appeared to be dictating terms to Pakistan rather than treating it as a partner. Discussing recent reports that elements within the powerful Inter-Services Intelligence agency that sponsored the Afghan Taliban in the 1990s maintain a patron of extremists, Haqqani acknowledged “there is mistrust some of our security institutions” in Washington, but said the way to resolve those concerns was “by talking to us, not by beating on us.” He repeated the quote, he said, for the benefit of journalists in the room.

“Pakistan no longer lacks the will to fight terrorists and extremists,” said Haqqani, who was a close confidante of Benazir Bhutto, the former prime minister slain by al-Qaeda in December 2007.

Yet Haqqani made a case that the U.S. was insufficiently respectful of Pakistani sovereignty, even as Pakistani sovereignty is increasingly eroded by al-Qaeda and affiliated extremist groups that are holding territory in its western regions. On the subject of the controversial CIA-operated drones that fire missiles at suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders — and which have caused dozens of civilian casualties — “it is easier for Pakistanis to accept American technology used to take out extremists and terrorist on Pakistani soil if it’s done in partnership with Pakistan,” he said, without elaboration.

He questioned the amount of aid that the U.S. proposes to devote to Pakistani civilian institutions — a soon-to-be-introduced Senate bill proposes $7.5 billion over five years — in light of the recent government programs to takeover insurance giant AIG at a cost of $85 billion and extend a lifeline to General Motors with loans worth $13.4 billion, saying that Congress “needs to revisit” the relatively small amount of aid to a country that the Obama administration calls part of the “central front” in the war on al-Qaeda. But Haqqani urged the United States not to apply strict benchmarks to the funding, as the administration has promised. “Pakistan understands the need for accountability,” he said. “At the same time, there is a difference between accountability and intrusiveness.” He suggested that U.S. expectations of Pakistani behavior ought to be expressed privately in diplomatic communications, not by “legislating morality.”

That opened up one of several areas of gentle disagreements between the two ambassadors. “In Afghanistan, we are in favor of benchmarks and transparency,” Jawad said, contending that those Afghan ministries subject to benchmarks from the U.S. and the international community perform better than those that aren’t.

Jawad also rebuked Haqqani somewhat over the question of Pakistan’s strategic attitude towards the extremists operating on its territory. Haqqani said that Pakistan understands that “terrorism poses a greater imminent threat to our survival than some of our traditional concerns,” a reference to U.S. concerns, expressed by Obama, that Pakistan needs U.S.-backed reassurances of security regarding its traditional enemy, India. Jawad replied that while he doesn’t doubt the counterterrorism sincerity of Pakistan’s civilian government, “the military in Pakistan has capabilities to deliver but perceives India as the main enemy, not extremism.”

Still, both praised each other as partners — Haqqani called Afghanistan and Pakistan “brothers” — and pledged to work closely with the Obama administration against a shared threat. The three nations need to “overcome a trust deficit of the past and achieve a future” based on an “enduring and lasting partnership,” Haqqani said.

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47 Comments

jlt
Comment posted April 10, 2009 @ 8:30 am

Why would the USA NOT APPLY safeguards to the money being proposed for Pakistan…They have taken funds from us for years and STILL supported or looked the other way at the AlQueada strongholds on the Border…The whole of that area is out of control! Masharrif- ex pre- was strattling the line to maintain US support!

Ther needs to be a attitude of ';TRUST BUT VERIFY”..The Afghans have slowly turned back to the tribal Taliban rule…We need them to assert themselves and rule—Sadly, Kharazi is a week ruler and his brother is the drug kingpin!


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Zivon
Comment posted April 11, 2009 @ 9:53 am

USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from. It is Pakistan and not anywhere else in the world, it is 90+ % of the Pakistani people and entire Army and so called intelegent service that is the main terrorist bodies and sponsors. If we want tog et trrrorists them lets go and get them in Pakistan where they are.


Major Domo
Comment posted April 12, 2009 @ 9:00 am

“Please don’t try to fix us.”

That sez it all in a nutshell! … “ Please don’t try to fix us.”… It's okay to help, but don't try to fix us to what you want cause what you want may not be what we want.


Major Domo
Comment posted April 12, 2009 @ 9:02 am

Everything you just said was said about Iraq 5 years ago.

So does that make Iraq the new Eden of the 21st Century?


Major Domo
Comment posted April 12, 2009 @ 9:05 am

First, the money was given without strings attached.

Second, if you have question concerning the first statement, then go have a long talk with Bu$h and the repuglicans … it all happened on their watch.


abdullah Abbas, Pakistan
Comment posted April 13, 2009 @ 10:22 am

Well, Being a Pakistani I admit that there is deficit in our leadership. They trust on USA and support their policies and help them to get votes at the name of terrorism. Now they should realize that US is not ally of Pakistan at any time. I have few questions to my US friends.

Afghanistan was peaceful country before 1980, USA comes here to beat USSR and win the war with the help of Mujahideen (Al-Qaeda). Pakistan and its institute support USA at that time and USA know what was complication and ability of Pakistani forces. At that time USA welcome there Mujahideen in Washington and treated them like as a VIP. After the WAR, these people took rule of Afghanistan and when USA try to implement their policies (Oil Pipeline, Military establishment, etc) and see they will give tough time to USA. The so called 9/11 took place and war against terrorism started in Afghanistan. At the start this war was against a single person (Osama bin Laden) which is still not been captured by so called superpower of the World (USA). At the same time the war was started on the name of chemical and nuclear weapon in Iraq. Which was ended with the death of more then 1 million innocent people death, again the superpower had no logic of that war. War in Afghanistan is still continued and a whole Pakistan is also affected due to it,

• If Mujahideen was good in 1980~1990, then why they become terrorist in 2001?
• Why the whole nation of Iraq was destroyed without evidence?
• Israel was not exist on the map of world before 1960, now the people of Palestine in minority and Israel is in majority with illegal occupation, is this is not terrorism?
• Why more then .1 million Kashmiries are killed by India since 1980, and deployed more then .7 million troops in Kashmir? Is this is not terrorism?
• Pakistan lost 35 billion dollar in last 8 years, which is a war initiated by USA not Pakistan. Now why USA is reluctant to provide aid to Pakistan?


Todd
Comment posted April 13, 2009 @ 12:13 pm

the ambassadors comments only reaffirms why we should be in their respective countries


Todd
Comment posted April 13, 2009 @ 12:14 pm

CORRECTION: the ambassadors comments only reaffirms why we should NOT be in their respective countries


abdullah Abbas, Pakistan
Comment posted April 13, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

Well, Being a Pakistani I admit that there is deficit in our leadership. They trust on USA and support their policies and help them to get votes at the name of terrorism. Now they should realize that US is not ally of Pakistan at any time. I have few questions to my US friends.

Afghanistan was peaceful country before 1980, USA comes here to beat USSR and win the war with the help of Mujahideen (Al-Qaeda). Pakistan and its institute support USA at that time and USA know what was complication and ability of Pakistani forces. At that time USA welcome there Mujahideen in Washington and treated them like as a VIP. After the WAR, these people took rule of Afghanistan and when USA try to implement their policies (Oil Pipeline, Military establishment, etc) and see they will give tough time to USA. The so called 9/11 took place and war against terrorism started in Afghanistan. At the start this war was against a single person (Osama bin Laden) which is still not been captured by so called superpower of the World (USA). At the same time the war was started on the name of chemical and nuclear weapon in Iraq. Which was ended with the death of more then 1 million innocent people death, again the superpower had no logic of that war. War in Afghanistan is still continued and a whole Pakistan is also affected due to it,

• If Mujahideen was good in 1980~1990, then why they become terrorist in 2001?
• Why the whole nation of Iraq was destroyed without evidence?
• Israel was not exist on the map of world before 1960, now the people of Palestine in minority and Israel is in majority with illegal occupation, is this is not terrorism?
• Why more then .1 million Kashmiries are killed by India since 1980, and deployed more then .7 million troops in Kashmir? Is this is not terrorism?
• Pakistan lost 35 billion dollar in last 8 years, which is a war initiated by USA not Pakistan. Now why USA is reluctant to provide aid to Pakistan ?


AbdullahAbbas
Comment posted April 13, 2009 @ 1:07 pm

Well, Being a Pakistani I admit that there is deficit in our leadership. They trust on USA and support their policies and help them to get votes at the name of terrorism. Now they should realize that US is not ally of Pakistan at any time. I have few questions to my US friends.

Afghanistan was peaceful country before 1980, USA comes here to beat USSR and win the war with the help of Mujahideen (Al-Qaeda). Pakistan and its institute support USA at that time and USA know what was complication and ability of Pakistani forces. At that time USA welcome there Mujahideen in Washington and treated them like as a VIP. After the WAR, these people took rule of Afghanistan and when USA try to implement their policies (Oil Pipeline, Military establishment, etc) and see they will give tough time to USA. The so called 9/11 took place and war against terrorism started in Afghanistan. At the start this war was against a single person (Osama bin Laden) which is still not been captured by so called superpower of the World (USA). At the same time the war was started on the name of chemical and nuclear weapon in Iraq. Which was ended with the death of more then 1 million innocent people death, again the superpower had no logic of that war. War in Afghanistan is still continued and a whole Pakistan is also affected due to it,

• If Mujahideen was good in 1980~1990, then why they become terrorist in 2001?
• Why the whole nation of Iraq was destroyed without evidence?
• Israel was not exist on the map of world before 1960, now the people of Palestine in minority and Israel is in majority with illegal occupation, is this is not terrorism?
• Why more then .1 million Kashmiries are killed by India since 1980, and deployed more then .7 million troops in Kashmir? Is this is not terrorism?
• Pakistan lost 35 billion dollar in last 8 years, which is a war initiated by USA not Pakistan. Now why USA is reluctant to provide aid to Pakistan ?


Foto Bugil
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 3:24 pm

“$7.5 billion over five years — in light of the recent government programs to takeover insurance giant AIG at a cost of $85 billion and extend a lifeline to General Motors with loans worth $13.4 billion” wow, amazing..


kant
Comment posted April 16, 2009 @ 1:45 pm

Haqqani should understand that Beggers can't be chosers . He should appreciate that US is giving it so much AID despite facing such a big economic problem at home. Instead of giving it Aid Pakistan should be punished for Spreading Terrorism around the world. The comparison with AIG Bailout is non sense , He has no right to comment how US tackle its own economic problems when he begging for more money without any service. There are many other country's in the world who are poorer than Pakistan and they are not producing terrorist to create Mayhem unlike Pakistan.


Foto Bugil
Comment posted April 19, 2009 @ 7:14 am

First, the money was given without strings attached.

Second, if you have question concerning the first statement, then go have a long talk with Bu$h and the repuglicans … it all happened on their watch.

I agree with this..


123smith
Comment posted May 30, 2009 @ 12:55 am

I don’t think this is a good idea; loans were beginning of this crisis. Right now, people are losing jobs, but how will these risky loans do in a bad economy?


donuuuuutsss
Comment posted May 30, 2009 @ 7:55 am

I don’t think this is a good idea; loans were beginning of this crisis. Right now, people are losing jobs, but how will these risky loans do in a bad economy?


Foto Bugil
Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

I agree this opinion, realistic solutions…

USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from. It is Pakistan and not anywhere else in the world, it is 90+ % of the Pakistani people and entire Army and so called intelegent service that is the main terrorist bodies and sponsors. If we want tog et trrrorists them lets go and get them in Pakistan where they are….


Cewek Bugil
Comment posted October 7, 2009 @ 7:55 pm

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Comment posted October 10, 2009 @ 4:12 am

USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from. It is Pakistan and not anywhere else in the world, it is 90+ % of the Pakistani people and entire Army and so called intelegent service that is the main terrorist bodies and sponsors. If we want tog et trrrorists them lets go and get them in Pakistan where they are.


cerita dewasa
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Cewek Cantik Dewasa
Comment posted October 27, 2009 @ 12:06 pm

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Comment posted November 1, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

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Comment posted November 2, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from. It is Pakistan and not anywhere else in the world, it is 90+ % of the Pakistani people and entire Army and so called intelegent service that is the main terrorist bodies and sponsors. If we want tog et trrrorists them lets go and get them in Pakistan where they are….. it's true, USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from… :)


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Comment posted November 2, 2009 @ 11:01 pm

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Cerita Seks
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:32 am

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Cerita Dewasa
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Cewek Bugil
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Bokep 3gp
Comment posted November 19, 2009 @ 3:57 am

That opened up one of several areas of gentle disagreements between the two ambassadors. “In Afghanistan, we are in favor of benchmarks and transparency,” Jawad said, contending that those Afghan ministries subject to benchmarks from the U.S. and the international community perform better than those that aren’t.


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Video Bokep
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Cerita Seks
Comment posted November 25, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

Afghanistan was peaceful country before 1980, USA comes here to beat USSR and win the war with the help of Mujahideen (Al-Qaeda). Pakistan and its institute support USA at that time and USA know what was complication and ability of Pakistani forces. At that time USA welcome there Mujahideen in Washington and treated them like as a VIP. After the WAR, these people took rule of Afghanistan and when USA try to implement their policies (Oil Pipeline, Military establishment, etc) and see they will give tough time to USA. The so called 9/11 took place and war against terrorism started in Afghanistan. At the start this war was against a single person (Osama bin Laden) which is still not been captured by so called superpower of the World (USA). At the same time the war was started on the name of chemical and nuclear weapon in Iraq. Which was ended with the death of more then 1 million innocent people death, again the superpower had no logic of that war. War in Afghanistan is still continued and a whole Pakistan is also affected due to it,


Cerita dewasa
Comment posted November 25, 2009 @ 2:31 pm

Afghanistan was peaceful country before 1980, USA comes here to beat USSR and win the war with the help of Mujahideen (Al-Qaeda). Pakistan and its institute support USA at that time and USA know what was complication and ability of Pakistani forces. At that time USA welcome there Mujahideen in Washington and treated them like as a VIP. After the WAR, these people took rule of Afghanistan and when USA try to implement their policies (Oil Pipeline, Military establishment, etc) and see they will give tough time to USA. The so called 9/11 took place and war against terrorism started in Afghanistan. At the start this war was against a single person (Osama bin Laden) which is still not been captured by so called superpower of the World (USA). At the same time the war was started on the name of chemical and nuclear weapon in Iraq. Which was ended with the death of more then 1 million innocent people death, again the superpower had no logic of that war. War in Afghanistan is still continued and a whole Pakistan is also affected due to it,


make gossip
Comment posted November 25, 2009 @ 2:38 pm

Afghanistan was peaceful country before 1980, USA comes here to beat USSR and win the war with the help of Mujahideen (Al-Qaeda).


foto cewek telanjang
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 1:28 pm

USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from. It is Pakistan and not anywhere else in the world, it is 90+ % of the Pakistani people and entire Army and so called


foto cewek telanjang
Comment posted December 4, 2009 @ 1:33 pm

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Lowongan Kerja Terbaru
Comment posted December 7, 2009 @ 11:53 pm

This great steatment, i like it : Afghan policemen turned a joint U.S.-Afghan raid on a suspected Taliban safehouse into an opportunity to rob the house’s inhabitants…


video bokep
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 10:56 pm

Why would the USA NOT APPLY safeguards to the money being proposed for Pakistan…They have taken funds from us for years and STILL supported or looked the other way at the AlQueada strongholds on the Border…The whole of that area is out of control! Masharrif- ex pre- was strattling the line to maintain US support!


toket gede
Comment posted December 9, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

That opened up one of several areas of gentle disagreements between the two ambassadors. “In Afghanistan, we are in favor of benchmarks and transparency,” Jawad said, contending that those Afghan ministries subject to benchmarks from the U.S. and the international community perform better than those that aren’t.


Foto Cewek Cantik
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 10:08 am

USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from. It is Pakistan and not anywhere else in the world, it is 90+ % of the Pakistani people and entire Army and so called intelegent service that is the main terrorist bodies and sponsors. If we want tog et trrrorists them lets go and get them in Pakistan where they are….. it's true, USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from… :)


Foto Cewek Cantik
Comment posted March 4, 2010 @ 3:08 pm

USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from. It is Pakistan and not anywhere else in the world, it is 90+ % of the Pakistani people and entire Army and so called intelegent service that is the main terrorist bodies and sponsors. If we want tog et trrrorists them lets go and get them in Pakistan where they are….. it's true, USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from… :)


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Comment posted August 5, 2010 @ 5:17 pm

it's true, USA needs to wake up and see where the real threat and terror is breeding, living and being launched accross the globe from… :)


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