Neocons vs. Bob Gates, With Special Guest Appearance by KKK Founder

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Wednesday, April 08, 2009 at 11:45 am

Tom Donnelly and Gary Schmitt of the American Enterprise Institute, members in good standing of the neoconservative cabal to eat your babies and conquer the world and then eat more babies, have an op-ed in The Wall Street Journal arguing against Defense Secretary Bob Gates’ program cuts. While they don’t really like the budget, they do seem to like the founder of the Ku Klux Klan:

More often it rewards those who arrive on the battlefield “the fustest with the mostest,” as Civil War Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest once put it. If Mr. Gates has his way, U.S. forces will find it increasingly hard to meet the Forrest standard.

Um.

Beyond that, Schmitt and Donnelly argue for a continuation of most of the programs Gates is cutting, and do so through some curious omissions and outright misstatements. The alternative to the F-22 Raptor jet is  apparently “the 660 F-15s flying today, but which are literally falling apart at the seams from age and use” — not the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter that Gates and the generals are actually advocating as a replacement. Stopping the Army’s Future Combat Systems vehicle-modernization program means “future generations of soldiers will conduct mounted operations in the M1 tanks and Bradley fighting vehicles designed in the 1970s,” even though Gates said on Monday that he’s going to “reevaluate the requirements, technology and approach and then re-launch the Army’s vehicle modernization program.” And Gates is somehow “cap[ping] the size of the U.S. ground force,” even though Gates is seeking an extra $11 billion to expand the Army and Marine Corps. (I suppose, to be charitable, they could mean they want an even larger ground force, but that’s hardly clear from the op-ed, which implies that Gates is resisting the very expansion he’s funding.)

Basically, Donnelly and Schmitt’s real beef is that Gates’ budget gets rid of the dry rot in the Pentagon and presumes that the military can’t fund all things for all conceivable threats. As Gates put it:

It is important to remember that every Defense dollar spent to overinsure against a remote or diminishing risk or, in effect, to run up the score in capability where the United States is already dominant is a dollar not available to take care of our people, reset the force, win the wars we are in, and improve capabilities in areas where we are underinvested and potentially vulnerable. That is a risk I will not take.

American dominance is not so fragile that trading planes is going to eliminate it. But I guess taking advice from Klan leaders leads to all sorts of paranoia.

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22 Comments

Joel
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 10:08 am

And did you get their justification for the F-22?

“The termination of the F-22 Raptor program at just 187 aircraft inevitably will call U.S. air supremacy — the salient feature, since World War II, of the American way of war — into question.

“The need for these sophisticated, stealthy, radar-evading planes is already apparent. During Russia’s invasion of Georgia, U.S. commanders wanted to fly unmanned surveillance aircraft over the region, and requested that F-22s sanitize the skies so that the slow-moving drones would be protected from Russian fighters or air defenses. When the F-22s were not made available, likely for fear of provoking Moscow, the reconnaissance flights were cancelled.”

I don’t know much about this incident aside from what’s presented here, but: It’s plainly ludicrous that the U.S. wanted to use expensive manned fighters to clear the skies for relatively inexpensive unmanned planes. A big reason drones were created was to provide inexpensive, low-risk methods of observing (and attacking) enemy movements. The idea that F-22s were needed to protect them sounds like make-work efforts by Air Force chiefs determined to show off the usefulness of their favored toy.

In any case, Donnelly and Schmitt correctly point out that the reason the U.S. didn’t use the F-22s was not because there weren’t enough to ensure air supremacy, but because the U.S. didn’t want to provoke Moscow. Despite the big talk at the time about how “we’re all Georgians now,” the fact of the matter is that almost nobody in the mainstream of American politics — including President Bush — thought we should go to war over the matter.


James Hasik
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 10:14 am

Quoting that particular aphorism of General Forrest is reasonably common in the US military, because what he did after the war had nothing to do with the utility of his observation. The larger problem with the editorial is the confusion over the technologies involved. Today's M1s and M2s have been so upgraded recently that they're very modern machines. You're correct to observe that the F-35 will effectively replace the F-15, and that's a fine choice to make. The Navy will not be stripped of ships: it will still be larger than the next 13 navies put together, most of which belong, as Mr. Gates reminded us in his article in Foreign Affairs, to allies of the US. These two guys are grumpy, but their choice of catchy saying is unhelpful not for the source, but its inapplicability. It's just impossible to argue effectively that US forces will be inadequately equipped on this budget when the US is outspending all its potential military rivals put together.


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feckless
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 12:18 pm

What good did all our hardware do us on 9/11?

How did our 7,000+ foreign military outposts protect us on 9/11?

What good did thousands of tanks and armored personel carriers save us from people with boxcutters?

Same as it failed against slingshots and sharpened bamboo in Vietnam, same as the british empire failed against the pikes and squirrel guns of the colonists.

ASK SOME BASIC QUESTIONS!

Why did we buy the expanded security plan from the home security people whose vast capabilities did us no good when criminals broke into our home to murder our children?

Why does common sense never apply to the existence of the military, rather than just the cataclysmically expensive “programs and systems”.

Personal ownership of firearms makes this country the most armed place in the world, the citizenry is already the “fustest and the mostest”, abolish all ground forces and related equiment systems.

The point of the second amendment is that we shouldn't be excessively taxed to pay for an army.

The real Tea parties were to oppose taxes to pay for the wars started by the inbred aristocracy of far off Europe.


Ken
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 12:37 pm

So, we've had the F-22's in our arsenal for how long, and despite more than a couple opportunities, have yet to deploy them? What a boondoggle. If I were the AEI'ers, I don't think I'd lean to heavily on Forrest's 'get thar fustest with the mostest line. That didn't seem to work out too well for the Confederates'


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Vail Beach
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 1:19 pm

James, I think you missed the point of why Spencer cited the connection between the general's quote and the KKK. Along with the rest of the Journ 'O' List children, Spencer thinks calling someone a racist is a trump card, an intellectual killer app. No need to counter an argument with logic. Just find a way to suggest your opponents are racists and YAY I WIN!


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bayoustjohndavid
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 6:56 pm

To add to James Hasik's point, what's up with that ridiculous bit of liberal snark every time somebody quotes Forrest? People who say “the bigger the lie, the more likely it is to be believed” aren't implying an agreement with Joseph Goebbels' politics, are they? Are they closet Nazis if they attribute the quote to Goebbels, but morally and socially acceptable if they don't? I first realized that Bob Somerby was right about Keith Olbermann going down hill when he named somebody worst person in the world for using that quote a few years ago. It's just silly.


feckless
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 7:18 pm

What good did all our hardware do us on 9/11?

How did our 7,000+ foreign military outposts protect us on 9/11?

What good did thousands of tanks and armored personel carriers save us from people with boxcutters?

Same as it failed against slingshots and sharpened bamboo in Vietnam, same as the british empire failed against the pikes and squirrel guns of the colonists.

ASK SOME BASIC QUESTIONS!

Why did we buy the expanded security plan from the home security people whose vast capabilities did us no good when criminals broke into our home to murder our children?

Why does common sense never apply to the existence of the military, rather than just the cataclysmically expensive “programs and systems”.

Personal ownership of firearms makes this country the most armed place in the world, the citizenry is already the “fustest and the mostest”, abolish all ground forces and related equiment systems.

The point of the second amendment is that we shouldn't be excessively taxed to pay for an army.

The real Tea parties were to oppose taxes to pay for the wars started by the inbred aristocracy of far off Europe.


Ken
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 7:37 pm

So, we've had the F-22's in our arsenal for how long, and despite more than a couple opportunities, have yet to deploy them? What a boondoggle. If I were the AEI'ers, I don't think I'd lean to heavily on Forrest's 'get thar fustest with the mostest line. That didn't seem to work out too well for the Confederates'


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Vail Beach
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 8:19 pm

James, I think you missed the point of why Spencer cited the connection between the general's quote and the KKK. Along with the rest of the Journ 'O' List children, Spencer thinks calling someone a racist is a trump card, an intellectual killer app. No need to counter an argument with logic. Just find a way to suggest your opponents are racists and YAY I WIN!


bayoustjohndavid
Comment posted April 9, 2009 @ 1:56 am

To add to James Hasik's point, what's up with that ridiculous bit of liberal snark every time somebody quotes Forrest? People who say “the bigger the lie, the more likely it is to be believed” aren't implying an agreement with Joseph Goebbels' politics, are they? Are they closet Nazis if they attribute the quote to Goebbels, but morally and socially acceptable if they don't? I first realized that Bob Somerby was right about Keith Olbermann going down hill when he named somebody worst person in the world for using that quote a few years ago. It's just silly.


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