At Gun Show, Conservatives Panic About Obama

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Tuesday, April 07, 2009 at 12:01 am
Knob Creek Machine Gun shoot attendee (Photo by: David Weigel)

Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot, Spring 2009 (Photo by: David Weigel)

WEST POINT, Ky. – The sound of gunfire rumbles and echoes from half a mile away, long before anyone can see the entrance. The walk up to the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot starts on the country road outside the range, lined with cars from Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio and Georgia. Their occupants scramble for space before grabbing their ammo and starting uphill. They trudge through dirt that mostly, mercifully, has not yet turned into mud, and up to a gate where for $10 ($15 if they want to shoot video) they get an all-day pass to the biggest high-powered arms show in the country.

Image by: Matt Mahurin

Image by: Matt Mahurin

The noise, loud enough to interrupt a conversation outside of the gates, is deafening inside. Earplugs are not mandatory, only recommended, but everyone has them, from flimsy foam things handed out near the entrance to shapeable rubber plugs on strings to full-coverage, noise-deadening headphones. Every thirty-odd minutes a loud horn blares, and the shooting begins — dozens of Brownings, AK-47s and mini-guns open fire, some with armor-piercing rounds, on a range of broken-down cars, flaming barrels, and metal cans. There are people who’ve attended this twice-a-year event for decades who flinch when the volleys begin and the smell of gunpowder is wind-blown back into the audience.

As fun as this is — and for the people who arrived before 7 a.m. to set up shop, it is very fun — there’s a sense of foreboding this year. At the October 2008 gun show, said one of the organizers of the Jungle Walk ($35 for an Uzi and a stroll through a path of pop-up targets), “it was like a McCain-Palin rally in here. It felt like we were going to win. Then you know what happened.”

Ever since the election of President Barack Obama, gun store owners have reported massive increases in sales of firearms and ammunition. Attendees and sellers at Knob Creek can confirm that. Ron Hansen, a retiree from Michigan, grumbles that the ammunition supply at the show has “declined dramatically” since the displays of only a year ago. Myron Moore, a seller making a brisk trade in pistols and clips, explains that sales spiked right after the election and have slipped only a little because people worry this will be their last chance to stock up. “I’m selling everything Obama’s trying to ban,” he laughs.

Other attendees were uncomfortable revealing their first or last names. As massive as the event is — the Knob Creek Gun Range estimated that around 15,000 people passed through the gates–it does not keep tabs on who comes in. This is a safe haven, where guns can change hands without a lot of paperwork, and where ammunition is relatively cheap, though the prices have skyrocketed in the last few years. A purchase of an old Mauser rifle that would take some red tape-cutting in a gun shop is hassle-free at the gun range.

This is a place where vendors can sell T-shirts that read “The Fourth Reich: Obama-Biden 2012,” and “Hitler Gave Great Speeches Too..” and, most succinctly, “Fuck Obama.” It’s somewhere for people with hard-to-explain interests in World War II memorabilia can pick up items from Wehrmacht uniforms (“I’m putting the stuff together to make me a German officer,” says a man buying a Wehrmacht officer’s cap), Adolf Hitler mousepads (“Next time… no more Mr. Nice Guy”), and coffee mugs with Nazi commanders’ faces etched on them.

This leads to a certain skepticism of the media. Mark Stevens, whose Nazi merchandise is not moving very quickly on Saturday, declines to talk about it. “Any publicity from the media is bad publicity,” he explained.

One man asks a vendor if she has any “Impeach Obama” bumper stickers. Initially, he’s open to talking about his problems with the president. “There’s a black man in the White House,” he said. “What else do you need to know?” He suggests that journalism isn’t much of a career and tells me to look for something else to do. But 15 minutes later, he spots me in the range’s gun shop and asks me to cross his name out of my notebook. He grabs the book, grabs a pen, and scratches dark black ink onto the paper. “I don’t know who you are,” he said. “I don’t know if you work for the Southern Poverty Law Center. I don’t know if you work for the government.”

For other attendees, the president’s race couldn’t matter less. The problem is his ideology, a gun-grabbing fanaticism that they have opposed for decades, as seen in the anti-Bill Clinton stickers and T-shirts that are still visible in some parts of the show. But the ideology has never been quite as threatening. “Within a month everyone knew that we were right about Obama,” says Mark Koernke, the militia leader and radio host sometimes known as “Mark from Michigan,” who was freed from prison in 2007 after serving a six-year sentence for assaulting police, fleeing, and resisting arrest.

James Delk and his namesake son say that they’ve bought more ammo and supplies not just because they fear what might become illegal under Obama, but because they fear what could happen in an unarmed, increasingly economically disparate society. “I stocked up on food a little bit,” says the elder James Delk. “I’ve got one bedroom I converted into a food pantry. If it keeps getting worse, and it seems like it is, people are going to start breaking into your home to get food. You need to try to protect your family.”

“Now, I hope that Obama succeeds,” interjects the younger James Delk, “as long as he obeys the Constitution. They should enforce the laws they have instead of taking it out on innocent gun owners.”

Plenty of Knob Creek attendees echoed those sentiments. They forked over as much as $125 for short sessions with AK-47s, and as little as $20 to fire their own guns into the smaller of the event’s two ranges. Charles and Daisy Joan Brittain were among the people who’d driven up to shoot their heavy artillery on the big range, their Tennessee drivers’ licenses pinned to their chests in a new security measure. They lounged all day in a tent stocked with drinks, Nutter Butters, Hostess Donuts and cupcakes, shooting a Browning M-2HB, an M-16, and other guns, talking to friends they’d seen six months or a year ago.

The thousands of attendees who only showed up to shoot could avoid some of the more extreme political elements at the event, even if the extremists were hard to miss. The Barack Obama “Birthers,” who believe that the president cannot prove that he is an American citizen, were present in a table located close to the main range, near the NRA’s sign-up booth. It’s a location that allows them to pass out fliers for RiseUpAmerica.com, with a 10-point explanation of how “Barry Soetoro” could be removed from the presidency, to anyone walking through to the rest of the event. “He’s an illegal alien!” shouts Theresa Padgett, one of their volunteers. “We have an illegal alien running the country.”

“We need your help,” says Carl Swensson, the group organizer who has put together a “citizen jury” to indict the president. “They can’t go across the country and arrest everybody, although they do have pretty good facilities in the FEMA camps,” he says, referring to a conspiracy theory about the government building holding centers for dissidents. In the early afternoon Swensson and Padgett were joined by Orly Taitz, an attorney who has filed multiple lawsuits challenging the president’s citizenship, and they got organizers to read an announcement about their effort over the loudspeakers. By the end of the day they have collected at least 400 signatures, and dozens more from retired military members who wanted to sign on to one of Taitz’s lawsuits. Still, some people who signed onto the Obama citizenship petitions are grim about the chances of surviving this presidency with something as quick and easy as a legal disqualification.

Alan, a registered nurse from Illinois, asks whether last week’s massacre in Binghamton, N.Y. was a set-up. “How many government shooters or special ops teams,” he asks, “how many guys were in there killing people just so they could make gun owners look bad?” He’s not convinced by media reports about the massacre, especially because the shooter killed himself. “These people always kill themselves. They’re either mind-controlled or they’re set up.”

Alan says that he gets the real story on the threat to gun-owners from Mark Koernke, the militia leader who hangs around the show until the end, wearing Swiss camouflage and carrying copies of “How to Start and Train a Militia Unit.” He thinks that the revolution against the government in Washington and “the corporation of the United States” will begin this year, kicked off by some Lexington and Concord stand-off. He gives one attendee some advice about how to take care of his Mauser.

“When this is used in the next war,” Koernke says, “it’ll be part of the victory weapons that liberated America. ‘Yeah, my granddaddy used this in 2011! It was a hell of a fight!’”

View a photo essay of the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot here.

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Comments

129 Comments

Kenneth E. Tucker
Comment posted April 6, 2009 @ 11:24 pm

Little men, little dicks, small minds and BIG talk.

And, not a one of them stepping forward and rising up… chickenshit chickenhawks the likes of Bush/Cheney/Gingrich/LimpBalls/Beck/Savage/Hannity/et al.

PA-thetic.


Brian
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 12:50 am

Jeez! Put beards on all of these podunks and make them shed 50 pounds and we'll have the official al Qaeda recruiting video – English version.

Extremism is for ignorant losers no matter which side of the world you live on.


ajm8127
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 5:35 am

You know, that guy who shot three police officers in Pittsburgh's Stanton Heights area had the same mentality. He said he was worried Obama was going to take all of his guns. He even had a flak jacket he wore while he was firing rounds at the SWAT team I pay for.


Brent
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Amazing. These people listen to Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck and Savage and the rest of the right-wing echo chamber. Because of this, they think there is some unnamed and unknown threat to their gun rights. Fact is, not one authorized representative of the Obama administration has ever indicated that they are seeking any amendment to any gun law. And for good reason — it would be political suicide.

Did the author of this article happen to mention this fact to any of the people he interviewed? I would have been curious to know their reaction.


John
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 7:21 am

The people who are calling, the above mentioned, “crazies” and “right wing fringe lunatics” need to step back and asess their situations. Any incident that takes place over the next few years could ignite anything from riots to a marching mob. Do you want to be left out in the cold with no assault rifles or ammo or food? If these people are stocking up, and you can bet their are the good and the bad, then don't you think it's time you prepare. 4 dead in Ohio! Hippies ought to remember that! There will be more in the future, but this time, people aren't going to take it lightly. If you aren't prepared then you deserve what you get. If you are prepared and nothing happens then no harm done and your previous purchases have stimulated your local economy. Cheers


Bob Libertad
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 7:49 am

So gun owners are all nuts according to this article.; And you question the distrust of the Media! A lot of Obama supproters in both houses of Congress want to get rid or private ownership of guns. I applaud all these 2nd amendment rights people.


Conservatives embody ignorance
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 8:21 am

How's the temperature in your part of the universe, Bob? You're obviously not down here on earth in the real world..


Conservatives embody ignorance
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 8:37 am

No,Brent – these people are more than happy to stay insulated in their private fact-free bubbles.

Folly loves company.


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SamR
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 9:17 am

Bob, Weigel went to the show and reported what the attendees were saying, selling, and doing. He never said they were crazy, or nuts, or made value judgments at all. Its all left to the reader.

So I'm not sure why you think this justifies distrust of the media. Do you think that Weigel was lying about what he saw and heard, even though he quoted people by name? Should he have not gone because its unfair to accurately quote the gun show attendees?


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 11:35 am

Weigel's getting hilarious: every pseudo paper's alternative to Max Blumenthal.

1. Weigel and some of the “Birthers” make the same mistake, claiming that they know where BHO was born. In actual fact, BHO has never provided definitive proof of where he was born. Saying that BHO was born outside the U.S. is not the same as saying that you don't know where BHO was born because he hasn't provided definitive proof, even if Weigel isn't smart enough nor enough of a reporter to be able to tell the difference between those statements.

2. The issue of FEMA camps is briefly discussed at the link. It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that someone writing for a Soros/Rockefeller funded pseudo paper would try to mislead about that issue.


James F. Elliott
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 12:43 pm

Sigh. Makes us liberal, law-abiding gun-owners look bad. The difference between these guys and the anti-G20 nuts is a matter of firepower — which is significant, don't get me wrong — but the psychology is the same.

Also…

“…pistols and clips…”

It's magazines, dangnabit! Come on, take the opportunity to learn a little and clean up your terminology, Mr. Weigel!


jane
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 1:35 pm

“'There’s a black man in the White House,' he said. 'What else do you need to know?'”

Would somebody please enlighten me why some of these kinds of people automatically default to racism when frustrated? It's so ridiculously predictable, and doesn't contribute any class to their cause.


The Rest of America
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

President Obama has provided proof of his birth, and the state of Hawaii has also confirmed that they have the information.

You simply choose not to believe it.


The Rest of America
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

Why do people on the right employ veiled death threats when arguing this issue?


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 2:45 pm

Weigel believes what BHO says, despite not having definitive proof and despite FactCheck et al blatantly lying about this issue.

Let me try to explain this in as “easy to understand” a fashion as possible. I'm not saying BHO was born in one specific place, I'm only saying that – despite what you've heard – he has not provided definitive proof of where he was born. It's hacks like Weigel who are wrong: they claim he was born in HI despite not having definitive proof. Hacks like Weigel are going on faith, not on facts. Weigel and his editors are simply BHO cultists who'll believe anything he says.

See my extensive coverage of this issue here.


Ginny in CO
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

The guy with the backpack “The last person on earth will carry an assault rifle” might want to read Jared Diamond's “Collapse”. And ponder Ghandi: “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth makes the whole world blind and toothless.”

I personally have to cite the members of my (very liberal) denomination in the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church, who disarmed the gunman that opened fire at a service one morning last summer. Within seconds of his first shot, they jumped and stopped him. They were unarmed. Only 2 people died.

Non-violence can work. Problem is when people are not well enough informed to know what is and is not a threat to their lives. When they have been misinformed by fear mongering so much that they can't use simple deductive or inductive reasoning. (The US Secret Service can't figure out that Obama is not a citizen? Their work would be SO much easier and safer if it were so).

The backpack assertion makes me think of a Lily Tomlin comment years ago.

“The problem with winning the rat race is, it makes you a rat.”


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The Rest of America
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 3:15 pm

Again, he HAS provided definitive proof. You simply choose not to believe it.


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Fred
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

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24AheadDotCom
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 4:50 pm

The “proof” he's offered so far wouldn't stand up in Kindergarten court. For instance, try and find a lawyer who'll say that a picture of a cert on a website is equivalent to the cert itself.

All the “proof” that's so far been offered is discussed at the link above and the pages it links to, and there are serious problems with all the forms of “proof” so far offered.

Click the link to read all the details. For just one example, FactCheck silently re-compressed and removed camera data from the pictures that they'd posted.

How about another? The two HI newspaper ads don't indicate where BHO was born, they only contain the supposed address of his parents.

And, so on. Look, if you want to take BHO at his word, I'm fine with that. It's when people say they're going on facts – rather than faith – that I point out that they're liars.


James F. Elliott
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 6:20 pm

Classy URL. Ass.

Was Bush Derangement Syndrome this hyperbolic?


Rick A Hyatt
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 8:14 pm

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Leslie
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 8:57 pm

YIKES!


ndm
Comment posted April 7, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

The Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, issued a press statement on October 31, 2008 containing the following:

Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

It doesn't really matter what 24AheadDotCom believes to be true about President Obama's birth because it is demonstrably false.


Grae
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 1:57 am

If you are going to be a conspiracy theory nut job, at least get the fake name right.


Grae
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 1:58 am

Who said I was visiting?


Grae
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 2:01 am

I'll get much better ino at http://www.yourobamaupdate.com. You can stay with the conspiracy nut sites.


Eric Dondero
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 6:35 am

Typical David Weigel, mouthpiece for the Democrat Party USA and the Barack Obama administration. The Washington Independent hired him a couple months ago to add “diversity of opinion,” supposedly cause he was alleged to be a “libertarian.” But all he's produced since are cynical hit pieces on the right, like this one.

Wake up people! Weigel comes from Reason Magazine, which has been taken over in recent years by notoriously hard Left Republican-haters, just about all of whom (Editors including Weigel) admitted last Fall to be supporters of Obama.

Do you all need any more proof than this hit piece on the Right? One asswipe Racist shows up to a gun show, and he makes it the centerpiece of his story.


Aatos
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 7:01 am

Ya sure. Nobody else is an asswipe racist. Everyone else just loves shooting so much they are willing to put up with one without calling him out or telling him to STFU because he's an embarrassment.


Dennis
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 9:47 am

Wow, a convention of the Retarded Gun Nuts of the United States. I wonder if the whole gaggle of pistol-packing dimwits could collectively reach triple digits on an IQ test?

Clowns with guns.


Grant
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 9:51 am

What a bunch of whiney facists, these folks are. Talk about childish. Another good reason to support more funding for education. As these folks show, ignorance is NOT a virtue.


Franklin
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 9:52 am

Mind you, that's “DEMOCRATIC PARTY,” as they're the only ones who seem to believe in the Constitution of the United States.


chimpale
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 9:53 am

“Alan, a registered nurse from Illinois, asks whether last week’s massacre in Binghamton, N.Y. was a set-up. 'How many government shooters or special ops teams,' he asks, 'how many guys were in there killing people just so they could make gun owners look bad?'”

Or maybe that's just what they want you to believe. And maybe the Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot is actually a set-up and the government is just using it to identify all of the far-right whack-jobs who are in perpetual fear of someone taking their guns away and will stockpile automatic weapons and make bombs so they can defend themselves against anyone who wants to take their guns and bombs away. Did you ever think of that, Alan?

Or maybe everything you see is a set-up and everyone you know is part of the conspiracy against you, Alan. You'll never know, will you.

Actually, the talk about people's guns being taken away that comes up every time a Democrat is in the White House (and they still haven't been taken away, yet) is a conspiracy by the gun manufacturers and gun dealers. And business has never been better for them. Well done, patsies.


Dennis
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 10:09 am

Oh, and a big reason ammo seems in short supply, at least some types of ammo, is because ill-informed, paranoid whack jobs like these cretins keep BUYING IT UP! It's all based upon that well-known Marxist maxim called 'supply and demand'.


curlyfester
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 10:22 am

I'd like to remind Uncle Daddy at the gun show that Islamic terrorists took control of jetliners and successfully hit three American buildings on 9/11 with nothing but box cutters.


Chris
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 10:26 am

Unbelievable ignorance. What is wrong with the south? I would be willing to bet that not one of these idiots is aware good ol' G.W. Bush was born in New Haven, CT- a well known blue state. I think there is direct inverse relationship between IQ and the number of guns somebody owns. I have no problem with guns- I own a few, but they are locked in a safe and I have no worries Obama is going to rip them out of my “cold, dead hands”. The funniest part is, do these right-wing rednecks really think anyone wants them leading a revolt? They'd declare a cease-fire everytime there was a NASCAR race.


Roland
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 10:31 am

WOW. Just….WOW.

These far-right wingnuts haven't the first clue about anything going on in Washington. All they know is the hatred and willful ignorance Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter force-feed them every day over the airwaves.

Sad…scary, yet sad.


Harper
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 10:55 am

Is there, like, any evidence whatsoever that Obama plans on taking away peoples' guns??

Democrats gave up that fight a decade ago. There are too many blue state hunters. Obama knows it would be political suicide to go near that.

Amazing how the NRA and right wing noise machines can manipulate these idiots. Also amazing that they were nowhere to be found when the last president was spying on Americans, and snatching American citizens off the street and holding them indefinitely without charge. Where were the “Constitutionalist” militias then?

What posers.


Harper
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 10:58 am

ROFL! Awesome.


R Noble, Gun-Toting Democrat
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 11:04 am

If eight years of Clinton didn't take our guns, nothing will. The scare stories about losing guns are planted by the gun manufacturers to increase sales. Profiteering off the paranoid extremists who so joyfully swallow it up hook, line, and sinker.
Besides, it was Bush who had the National Guard confiscating peoples' guns in N'Orleans after Katrina.
Such ass-clowns.


Darrell Cloud
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 11:06 am

Southerners have an ethnic memory of what it was like to have the army of the United States move through their counties killing their young men, burning their homes and leaving them to starve. It is a memory not shared by the rest of the country and leaves those who are not part of it to muse about what seems like an irrational fear of the government.


Harper
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 11:07 am

Wow, and to think, dozens of state and federal judges, including a GOP-heavy Supreme Court, haven't seen what is so plainly obvious. Or is their constant dismissal of these “birth” lawsuits part of the conspiracy too?


Harper
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 11:08 am

Please give an example from this Congressional session of any lawmaker (or Obama himself) making any kind of move to take away peoples' guns.

Because last I checked, Dems gave this up years ago.


Satan!
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 11:23 am

“ethnic memory of what it was like to have the army of the United States move through their counties killing their young men” – In other words, they like to pretend they're people thay are not.

I'm a gun owner and 'm not worried a bit. Half these people think HR1388 is going to enslave their children and turn them into Obama's youth who will then lock us up all in concentration camps. I'm not joking either, they're all over the internet.


Marxy McLiberalson
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 11:42 am

Oh please the draconian, fascist, constitution burning, Bush administration was much closer to declaring military law and confiscating guns then the Obama administration will ever be. They were spying on grandmother quilting parties!


Don
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 11:52 am

If Obama is too much of a coward to allow Bush et. al. to be investigated for obvious and publicly-confessed to crimes, do you really think he has the balls to attempt to take away Americans' guns?


R.
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 11:52 am

What terribly cofused and mislead people.
I don't recall any Democratic President campaigning on promises to collect the guns from the public.
I don't rememer any threat to citizen's ability to have a gun legally.
These people aren't afraid of President Obama, as the article title falsely states, they are incited to
be paranoid by the anarchist's threats that the Democratic President will take away their weapons.
Where is the accurate reporting on the administration's view of gun ownership? This would be much
more informing, and less sensational, thus, rare. Information please!!!


KYProud
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 12:20 pm

I'm Southern. I'm white. I'm a political independent. I am mostly quite pleased with Pres. Obama. I also generally support people owning firearms…until I read stories about nuts like these yahoos. In spite of being able to verify almost all their fears are just conspiracy theories, they want to believe they are somehow embattled patriots instead of the paranoid racists they often are. They openly flaunt gun laws at these events. This results in mentally ill people getting guns and killing people as in NY. I wish we could just give them Wyoming, fence them in, and let them shoot it out amongst themselves to their heart's desire. Most Southerners are worried about their jobs and kids; not some ethnic memory of a civil war from 150 years ago. I'm not afraid of the government taking our guns: I don't see any bill or attempt to do so. I am afraid of these whackos wanting to attack our government and country. We have a word for such “patriots”: “traitors”.


RoadScholar
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 12:53 pm

And these are the people who call US sheep!


RoadScholar
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 1:09 pm

Mr. Hyatt, there are excellent anti-psychotic medications available nowadays.

You should check into it.


RoadScholar
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 1:16 pm

Yeah.. the Supremes who halted the recount in 2000 and installed Bush just plain snoozed on Obama being ineligible by birth.

Right.


Unrepentant Liberal
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 1:30 pm

They see themselves as modern day Paul Reveres warning the populace and sounding the alarm that “The Redcoats are coming, the Redcoats are coming.” In reality they are the homeless, unmedicated paranoid schizophrenic who stands on the street corner screaming incoherently at the devils circling his head like rabid bats…….. only with many, many, many firearms.

Very scary.


RoadScholar
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 1:37 pm

Where, for the love of God, does it say ANYWHERE in this article that all gun owners are nuts?
So… you base your mistrust of the media based on what you mistakenly think the articles say?

Today's syllogism:

Not all gun owners are nuts,
but a lot of nuts are gun owners.

To clarify:
Anyone who thinks Obama is an illegal alien is nuts.
Anybody who thinks the cop-killings in NY was a set-up, is nuts.
The people who told the shooter Obama plans to take away his guns, are nuts.
Anyone who thinks Obama is going to set up 're-education camps' is nuts.
Anyone who predicts an Obama dictatorship is nuts.

There are lots of sane gun owners, but apparently few attended this rally.

Anyone advocating the violent overthrow of the US Government because of Obama
is worse than nuts; he is a traitor to America, and should be considered a terrorist.

Clear?


Fireblazes
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 1:41 pm

Really all you have is a small group of con artists and business men making big money off a large group of paranoid fringers..


Fireblazes
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

This man said is so succinctly…
I will repost it so you can read it ot yourself whilst looking in the mirror!

RoadScholar

Do you already have an account? Log in and claim this comment.
Where, for the love of God, does it say ANYWHERE in this article that all gun owners are nuts?
So… you base your mistrust of the media based on what you mistakenly think the articles say?

Today's syllogism:

Not all gun owners are nuts,
but a lot of nuts are gun owners.

To clarify:
Anyone who thinks Obama is an illegal alien is nuts.
Anybody who thinks the cop-killings in NY was a set-up, is nuts.
The people who told the shooter Obama plans to take away his guns, are nuts.
Anyone who thinks Obama is going to set up 're-education camps' is nuts.
Anyone who predicts an Obama dictatorship is nuts.

There are lots of sane gun owners, but apparently few attended this rally.

Anyone advocating the violent overthrow of the US Government because of Obama
is worse than nuts; he is a traitor to America, and should be considered a terrorist.

Clear?


Ryan
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 2:01 pm

If one were to judge the Knob Creek event merely by your description, one would be left with the grossly inaccurate impression that the majority of attendees are unintelligent and dangerous extremists with fascist sympathies. Your description could not be further from the truth.

While anyone seeking to fill their 1500 word quota, could focus on the few fringe elements that attend this show, this would be a disservice to the other 14950 people present. Of course, attempting to enumerate and analyze the motivations of the majority would be a much less sensational and concrete undertaking. Your readers would be disappointed to learn that the event is a relatively cosmopolitan affair (as is gun ownership in general). The composition of the population in attendance crosses all socio-economic, racial, religious, and political boundaries. If anything, it is a testament to the principle of a civil society that the majority, some of whom are veterans of the Second World War or veterans of the Israeli Defense Force, does not mob the fellow selling the Adolf Hitler mousepads. From both a consequentialist and a status-based civil rights perspective, private arms ownership has a legitimate place within the fabric of American policy preferences.

By selectively citing a few unintelligent extremists and irresponsibly implying that they constitute of representative sample, your piece misses an opportunity to educate and contribute to an unimpassioned atmosphere where a reasonable middle-ground between policy preferences can be found. Instead, your piece does much to disparage enthusiasts and spread animosity between all involved.


danel
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 2:09 pm

This is the product of the Hannity/Limbo(sp) paranoia. The guy who shoot three policemen the other day was triggered by the talking heads scare tactics that Obama is taking away their guns. About time to put a stop of these nonsense and put the blame squarely to these neocons. Freedom comes with responsibility.


michael cook
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 2:20 pm

these guys are radical terrorists, more innocent american citizens have been killed by radical gun owners in the last month, than in the two wars we are fighting. it is absurd that automatic weapons are available to anyone legally other than the police or military.


nedclark
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

How disturbing that southerners, five generations removed from the Civil War, are still being taught by their families- and their society to keep the wounds of that conflict open and festering. This sort of obsession can never be `satisfied’ through redress by the supposed offender – they must learn to let go, and move on.

I used to think that it was only the backward peoples of the Middle East and elsewhere who were incapable of living in the present because of their obsessive wallowing in their (often one-side) recall of the `wrongs’ of the past – but I see I was mistaken.

What makes this type of southerner any different from the Sunnis who hate the Shia, or the Islamists who hate the Jews?


nedclark
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 7:52 pm

How disturbing that southerners, five generations removed from the Civil War, are still being taught by their families- and their society to keep the wounds of that conflict open and festering. This sort of obsession can never be `satisfied’ through redress by the supposed offender – they must learn to let go, and move on.

I used to think that it was only the backward peoples of the Middle East and elsewhere who were incapable of living in the present because of their obsessive wallowing in their (often one-side) recall of the `wrongs’ of the past – but I see I was mistaken.

What makes this type of southerner any different from the Sunnis who hate the Shia, or the Islamists who hate the Jews?


doogie
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

well, I'm a gun owner for 45 years, and I'm not worried about someone grabbing my guns nearly as much as I am of this nation becomming totally out of control as a POLICE STATE. I've seen way too many innocent people tasered to death, beaten with riot batons, or otherwise roughed up in the past five years not to really start to not like fuckers wearing any uniform with a flag on the shoulder of it.

guns don't kill people. people kill people. and to be honest, I was much more fearful of a gun grab under this last mass murdering son of a bush that was in the whore house for 8 long years, illegitimately.


J Lewd
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

Look at all the fat, white retards with machine guns. Cowardice and assault rifles go hand in hand. . . .

If anything says “unhinged trailer trash” it's “Knob Creek Machine Gun Shoot.”


WYnot
Comment posted April 8, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Hey, leave Wyoming out of this. Sure, Wyoming looks like ground zero in some places, but there are some beautiful spots as well. Kentucky is just one backwards ass state that is a breeding ground for ignorant racists, outside of Louisville and Lexington (although they have their share as well). Let these fat ass, white, terrified little douche bags waste all of their minumum wage salaries on stupid ass guns that they will hopefully never shoot except at the other stupid crack head Kentuckians hanging out on 31W giving hand jobs for liquor money.


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Patriot
Comment posted April 9, 2009 @ 6:20 am

Or modern day blacks who think they deserve reparations


gjdagis
Comment posted April 9, 2009 @ 7:13 am

nedclark wrote:
How disturbing that southerners, five generations removed from the Civil War, are still being taught by their families- and their society to keep the wounds of that conflict open and festering. This sort of obsession can never be `satisfied' through redress by the supposed offender – they must learn to let go, and move on.

Oh ? Like the BLACKS should get off the pity pot about slavery already ?


Chris Herz
Comment posted April 9, 2009 @ 7:23 am

We in the USA are seeing the mass economic liquidation of our lower middle classes. Such people ALWAYS vote Fascist under this sort of pressure, but because they are who they are, this Fascism always contains a hefty dose of economic populism along with its racism and corporate nastiness.

In the Germany of the 1930's the gun nuts were some of Hitler's most ardent supporters. And the dictator soon found work for them in the camps, the army and the SS. With the same process of social and economic disintegration, lost wars and national bankruptcy on-going here and now, why should we expect any different outcome? Welcome to Weimar America.


Jon Whitmore
Comment posted April 9, 2009 @ 7:33 am

Look at the Machine Gun Mayhem video and tell me if you think they give a damn what you think. I know I don't.


Harper
Comment posted April 9, 2009 @ 11:02 am

Actually, with Alito and Roberts, and the loss of the moderate O'Connor, it's a MUCH more right wing court than the one that appointed W. Look for this court to appoint Coleman from MN to the Senate in a few months, since he couldn't succeed at the ballot box

And yet! They decided inexplicably to ignore (indeed, dismiss with not a little bit of scorn) the obviously overwhelming evidence that Obama is not a citizen.


Gordon in TX
Comment posted April 9, 2009 @ 1:25 pm

“non violence can work”……uhhhhh when your members “jumped and stopped him”, was that not violence?


John
Comment posted April 9, 2009 @ 4:44 pm

Has his original birth certificate on hand??? From where Kenya?
Why spend $800,000.00 to keep from releasing a $10.00 birth certificate.
What about him being adopted by Lolo Soeroto and going to school and being a citizen of Indonesia? Have you seen his school record? http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/…

What about him saying he went to Pakistan when he was 20? Borders were closed to US Citizens! Indonesian Passport got him there?

What about his social security number that begins with 042? conneticut issued and he never lived or worked there! The number he uses was issued to someone who if they were still alive would have been 119 years old! seems his grandmother worked in probate court and had access to socials of deceased individuals.
What about his forged Selective Service document? Obviously a forgery!
He is a citizen of Indonesia.


andrew1193
Comment posted April 9, 2009 @ 10:18 pm

Considering that legal machineguns in the US cost at a minimum, several thousand dollars, I'm willing to bet that these “fat, white retards” are wealthier and more successful than you are.


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subt
Comment posted April 10, 2009 @ 10:26 pm

You sheep are eating this right up. Don't you even question the timing of these reports and the ABC special?? If gun rights are abolished or severely limited what makes you think the Democrats won't go after your rights next?

Of course, in your world, the government isn't going after your rights when you willingly give them away. Do you libs ever pick up a friggin history book…this is far from paranoia. It's more like your stupid American ignorance.


pl
Comment posted April 12, 2009 @ 6:54 am

only because they choose to be successful.you can make whatever money you want.FOR NOW.


Colorado girl
Comment posted April 13, 2009 @ 7:59 am

Interesting title to this article “Conservatives” panic about Obama. Wow, there is some true “journalism”. This belies the “journalist's” political bent, no?
I am a gun owner; I am a nurse (and take care of people of all races) and I live in the country on a farm.
I guess one could call me prejudice, but not regarding race, regarding ideology.
There have been representatives in Congress calling for registration of guns. This would negate the reason for the second amendment. Anyone checked the background of these nut cases who committed these horrendous crimes recently?
How many people out there are familiar with Obama's voting record on gun control?
I am conservative; I care about the individual and believe in the rights of the individual and personal responsibilty. I am very concerned about our present administration regarding both. I already see a tremendous lack of these traits every day I am at work in many of the patients I see who have sadly bought into a “nanny state”.
I am sure I would not agree with some of the participants at this event; I don't agree with anyone on everything. Thank God I have the right to choose.
Thomas Sowell for president in 2012 (if only he would run).


Adam
Comment posted April 14, 2009 @ 9:40 am

Whether the government requires you to register your gun or not is irrelevant when they can freely eavesdrop on your phone and internet/email communications. You idiots cry about your guns, guns, guns… all day long it's the 2nd Amendment. What about the 4th Amendment? That one's already been dismantled by Bush and I don't recall hearing a peep in protest from you nutjob right-wingers.

Your gun rights? Time to look around, we live in the 21st Century, not the 18th. The US Government isn't going to start quartering soldiers in your homes and commandeering your muskets. They don't need to. Why would they worry about your tiny handguns and single little assault rifles when they have real military artillery on a massive scale? You're all delusional.


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Ryan
Comment posted April 14, 2009 @ 12:22 pm

Your argument is incoherent. You decry that certain rights have been weakened by the government, yet you state that the principles behind other rights are secure merely because the same government “doesn't need to [infringe upon them];” how does this follow? Either you trust the government that they will not subvert the principles behind weakened or “anachronistic” rights, or you positively maintain your liberties through their codification and jealously guard them.

That a modern state could easily circumvent any right does no injury to the right itself. A right is a principle that the people have elected as being vital to the state of liberty. If a right becomes anachronistic, then the people can modify that right. The very fact that the Second Amendment enjoys such broad support ought to give pause to your cries of irrelevance.

(Also, regarding the capabilities of citizens armed with mere small arms versus a world power, I think the lessons of Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan apply here.)


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Yes we have all seen recently just how effective our military is with its vastly superior firepower when dealing with nonuniformed combatants. Now if their hands weren't all tied up in 'rules of engagement' all that firepower might be of use. I suppose there is the risk that the very same people who insist that our troops not go all out in Iraq would welcome such tactics used against their own countrymen however.


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Darren
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 7:43 pm

I think the reason the gubmint hasn't yet confiscated the weapons is because there are groups like the NRA who relentlessly oppose it. It's the same with any right that we still have. And yes, a lot of us gun owners are also mad at GWB and the (bipartisan) supported Patriot Act nonsense, including the wiretapping, etc. Granted, more should have been outraged. Maybe we need National Privacy Association (NPA) or something like that! :)


rev.paperboy
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 9:20 pm

Yes Blair, those pesky rules of engagement that forbid them from shooting anything that moves or razing entire villages, if only we could get rid of them and just pave Iraq from the air like we did in Cambodia, everything would be fine.


Slaney Black
Comment posted April 15, 2009 @ 9:47 pm

I think you missed his point entirely.

There's a common anti-gun control argument that goes like this: “You say you want a gun to protect your freedom. Well, the gov't has much bigger guns, and if they come after you you're dead, no matter how many rounds you can empty out of your AK.”

His response is, “So what? Better firepower didn't help the government in Nam or Iraq.”


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LetTexasLeave!!
Comment posted May 1, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

I doubt it andrew..they can just make their bathroom crank and sell it to their moron friends or trade it for their weapons..and I am sorry you can get a weapon for a couple of hundred and convert it cheaply.. so your wrong there..and if success means I have to have a machine gun and pal around with rednecks..I wish you all the success in the world andrew!! ;-)


LetTexasLeave!!
Comment posted May 1, 2009 @ 5:43 pm

I agree with you..I am from Kentucky and I am actually very liberal. (I am in the minority actually). I agree that these “Patriots” are traitors. Kentucky has as many pretty places as Wyoming so lets not argue..put these assholes in texas and let them fight it out there..in fact we could keep air-dropping guns and ammo in for them. Make it like the Highlander..there can only be one….and the winner gets all the meth and booze they can take 'til they die with a pained look on their face. Sound like a plan?


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You people are the ones I am afraid of.You are idiots! Low class people who don't think with your brain think with your gun.


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You people are the ones I am afraid of.You are idiots! Low class people who don't think with your brain think with your gun.


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Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 8:37 am

j loon; you and the rest of your cowardly liberal sheep flock bury your heads in the sand ,and blindly follow a so called leader who will not only erode your constitutional rights,but bankrupt this great country as well,how sad or maybe you're just too lazy to stand up for yourself,but I suspect you and the rest of your far left radical ilk are just too afraid.


chopper2416
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i would rather listen to what they have to say anyday over the filthy hate you are spewing


chopper2416
Comment posted July 16, 2009 @ 8:43 am

not one shooting was done with an automatic weapon you fearmongering moron


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blome2x
Comment posted November 16, 2009 @ 7:24 pm

fuck all you obama loving anti gun socialist pigs.


blome2x
Comment posted November 16, 2009 @ 7:39 pm

hey you big mouth liberal asshole, three fourths of our wonderful all volunteer military is made up right wing consevatives who love thier guns and are willing to protect your stupid obama loving socialist ass. fuck all you left wing cocksuckers.


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blome2x
Comment posted November 17, 2009 @ 12:39 am

hey you big mouth liberal asshole, three fourths of our wonderful all volunteer military is made up right wing consevatives who love thier guns and are willing to protect your stupid obama loving socialist ass. fuck all you left wing cocksuckers.


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Mark
Comment posted April 11, 2010 @ 11:46 pm

I've attended this event a few times over the years. While I have seen offensive Nazi stuff for sale, I've never seen anyone displaying or wearing it. I've never seen anything offensive done or said by ANYONE….EVER!
Rather than knock something you've never seen, don't take a biased summary from someone who has an anti-right to bear arms agenda & pay $10 to see for yourself (and I'm not a gun owner).


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Callmewolfy91
Comment posted March 15, 2011 @ 7:33 pm

your all missing the point you can scream pro guns and no guns all you want i for one am a collecter so im pro guns but for those of you who are not that is fine but when the econimy goes to shit and the government takes away the law abiding citizens guns the criminals whom aquired there guns illigally will still have them and they’ll be knocking on your door where now if they enter a home there in danger of finding a deer slug


Callmewolfy91
Comment posted March 15, 2011 @ 7:38 pm

hey j lewd ill give you what the gov gives your lazy ass each month to yell that little speach off yours at the gun shoot and run your fatt ass across the range hows 12.30 sound to you and ps where a suit the rest will be provided


Callmewolfy91
Comment posted March 15, 2011 @ 7:43 pm

and why should they not have an auto-matic weapon it requires a speacial license and maybe they enjoy poping off more then just one round a sec its there money why don’t you talk to the street gangs about there illigally bought automatic weapons im sure you make an impression


Callmewolfy91
Comment posted March 15, 2011 @ 7:55 pm

hey dont bash it till you try it thoses little devils are harder to hit then you think and these so called paul reveres your refering to at the KCGR are vivid hunters and us army vets that support our military with fundraisers like the wounded warriors fund at gun range events its scary to think that we give free heathcare to people that sit on there ass all day instead of helping the people that lost limbs for your freedom


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