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	<title>Comments on: Rep. Bill Posey Explains His Birther Bill</title>
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		<title>By: paulwade</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulwade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 04:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, he should know the law! That is why he is keeping his official birth certificate hidden. He knows he is in office illegally. Simply put, he stole it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, he should know the law! That is why he is keeping his official birth certificate hidden. He knows he is in office illegally. Simply put, he stole it.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know enough to listen to his ideas.  I don&#039;t want to date the guy, i just want him to work for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know enough to listen to his ideas.  I don&#39;t want to date the guy, i just want him to work for me.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is just weird on so many levels, right?  how many times do i have to say it?  Voting Doesn&#039;t Work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is just weird on so many levels, right?  how many times do i have to say it?  Voting Doesn&#39;t Work!</p>
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		<title>By: larmar</title>
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		<dc:creator>larmar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 07:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The U.S. Military has traced the birther moment back to elements of the North Korean military. Apparently the North Kroean Military is attempting to sew civil unrest in the U.S. as part of a larger cyber attack on U.S. facilities and interests worldwide.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If true, then Rep Posey could possibly be charged with aiding and abetting the enemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The U.S. Military has traced the birther moment back to elements of the North Korean military. Apparently the North Kroean Military is attempting to sew civil unrest in the U.S. as part of a larger cyber attack on U.S. facilities and interests worldwide.</p>
<p>If true, then Rep Posey could possibly be charged with aiding and abetting the enemy.</p>
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		<title>By: paulwade</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/35694/rep-bill-posey-explains-his-birther-bill/comment-page-1#comment-38233</link>
		<dc:creator>paulwade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right. Obama does know the Constitution. Why do you think he is keeping so much information about himself secret?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Really, what do you know about him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right. Obama does know the Constitution. Why do you think he is keeping so much information about himself secret?</p>
<p>Really, what do you know about him?</p>
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		<title>By: paulwade</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/35694/rep-bill-posey-explains-his-birther-bill/comment-page-1#comment-38230</link>
		<dc:creator>paulwade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 20:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Posey,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I strongly support your bill regarding proof of a person&#039;s legal eligibility for the POTUS office. I have written my representative (Bart Gordon of Tennessee) urging him to co-sponsor the bill with you. I hate to say it, but the USA today isn&#039;t the land I was raised in. I have to prove who I am for many issues. I would have to show my driver&#039;s license to prove my age here in Tennessee if I wished to buy a beer or cigarette, and at 78, I, regrettably think I already look much older than 21.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Facts are facts; Barack Hussein Obama had a foreign father and teenage mother in 1961. How could he be accepted as a &#039;natural born&#039; citizen?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain was questioned but Obama wasn&#039;t. Why not? The Electoral College voted him in office without requiring his legal eligibility proof, why? The Senate approved their vote without checking him out, why not?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Has the communist regime slowly taken over our Congress for a person like Obama to take office?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Time will tell. Considering the situation, it may have been a big awakening of our nation. But, will the cost will be reversible?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Posey,</p>
<p>I strongly support your bill regarding proof of a person&#39;s legal eligibility for the POTUS office. I have written my representative (Bart Gordon of Tennessee) urging him to co-sponsor the bill with you. I hate to say it, but the USA today isn&#39;t the land I was raised in. I have to prove who I am for many issues. I would have to show my driver&#39;s license to prove my age here in Tennessee if I wished to buy a beer or cigarette, and at 78, I, regrettably think I already look much older than 21.</p>
<p>Facts are facts; Barack Hussein Obama had a foreign father and teenage mother in 1961. How could he be accepted as a &#39;natural born&#39; citizen?</p>
<p>McCain was questioned but Obama wasn&#39;t. Why not? The Electoral College voted him in office without requiring his legal eligibility proof, why? The Senate approved their vote without checking him out, why not?</p>
<p>Has the communist regime slowly taken over our Congress for a person like Obama to take office?</p>
<p>Time will tell. Considering the situation, it may have been a big awakening of our nation. But, will the cost will be reversible?</p>
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		<title>By: Eye on Williamson &#187; John Carter joins the &#8220;birther&#8221; movement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eye on Williamson &#187; John Carter joins the &#8220;birther&#8221; movement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] District 31 our member of Congress has now joined this movement. Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.), who has introduced a bill that would require future presidential candidates to provide proof of U.S. citizenship, has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] District 31 our member of Congress has now joined this movement. Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.), who has introduced a bill that would require future presidential candidates to provide proof of U.S. citizenship, has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: NeilBJ</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/35694/rep-bill-posey-explains-his-birther-bill/comment-page-1#comment-34353</link>
		<dc:creator>NeilBJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am aware of four public officials whose natural born citizenship status is questionable and as such the issue needs to be settled in a court of law once and for all.  They are:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;President Barack Obama,&lt;br&gt;Senator John McCain,&lt;br&gt;Governor Bill Richardson, and&lt;br&gt;Governor Bobby Jindal&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They are not natural born citizens according to the following definition, a definition that has been put forth by a number of constitutional scholars.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A natural born citizen is a person&lt;br&gt;1)	who was born on U.S. soil, AND&lt;br&gt;2)	whose parents were both U.S. citizens, either natural born or naturalized.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The constitution recognizes two classes of citizenship: citizen and natural born citizen.  This is evident in the eligibility requirements for candidates for Congress and candidates for President.  A congressional candidate (Representative or Senator) must be a citizen; he need not be a natural born citizen.  A Presidential candidate, of course, must be a natural born citizen.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any definition of natural born citizen cannot be the same as citizen, since such a definition would result in making the natural born citizenship clause in the constitution ineffective.  This is based on a principle of constitutional interpretation put forth in Marbury v. Madison by Chief Justice Marshall:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect; and therefore such construction is inadmissible, unless the words require it.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words a construction that equates natural born citizen to citizen is inadmissible.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are no words in any amendment that have changed the natural born citizenship clause in Article II, Section 1.  The 14th amendment has been interpreted to grant citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil regardless of the citizenship status of his or her parents.  The only way that the definition of natural born citizen could be distinguished from citizen is by considering the citizenship status of the parents.  And this is exactly what we find in Minor v. Happersett.  The definition there is essentially what I have written above.  Unfortunately, the definition in Minor was an obiter dictum, so we still do not have a legally recognized definition of natural born citizen.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama’s birth certificate is incidental to the question of whether or not he is a natural born citizen, since he has admitted to the facts that disqualify him from office on his web site, &lt;a href=&quot;http://fightthesmears.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fightthesmears.com&lt;/a&gt;.  There he attests to the fact that he was born a British citizen by virtue of his father being a Kenyan native who was subject to British nationality laws at the time.  Of course, if his birth certificate does show he was born in Kenya (or some other foreign country) then he would not be a natural born citizen by that fact alone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The remaining officials are not natural born citizens for the reasons listed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Senator John McCain – born on foreign soil in Colon, Panama&lt;br&gt;Governor Bill Richardson – born on U.S. soil to a Mexican mother (born in Spain) who travelled to the U.S. to specifically give birth here.&lt;br&gt;Governor Bobby Jindal – born on U.S. soil to foreign born parents (India) who were not yet naturalized.  His mother was pregnant with him when his parents arrived in the U.S.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe that the question of presidential eligibility is a very serious issue that needs to be resolved.  I have no respect for those who would ridicule those of us who do take this issue seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am aware of four public officials whose natural born citizenship status is questionable and as such the issue needs to be settled in a court of law once and for all.  They are:</p>
<p>President Barack Obama,<br />Senator John McCain,<br />Governor Bill Richardson, and<br />Governor Bobby Jindal</p>
<p>They are not natural born citizens according to the following definition, a definition that has been put forth by a number of constitutional scholars.</p>
<p>A natural born citizen is a person<br />1)	who was born on U.S. soil, AND<br />2)	whose parents were both U.S. citizens, either natural born or naturalized.</p>
<p>The constitution recognizes two classes of citizenship: citizen and natural born citizen.  This is evident in the eligibility requirements for candidates for Congress and candidates for President.  A congressional candidate (Representative or Senator) must be a citizen; he need not be a natural born citizen.  A Presidential candidate, of course, must be a natural born citizen.</p>
<p>Any definition of natural born citizen cannot be the same as citizen, since such a definition would result in making the natural born citizenship clause in the constitution ineffective.  This is based on a principle of constitutional interpretation put forth in Marbury v. Madison by Chief Justice Marshall:</p>
<p>“It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect; and therefore such construction is inadmissible, unless the words require it.”</p>
<p>In other words a construction that equates natural born citizen to citizen is inadmissible.</p>
<p>There are no words in any amendment that have changed the natural born citizenship clause in Article II, Section 1.  The 14th amendment has been interpreted to grant citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil regardless of the citizenship status of his or her parents.  The only way that the definition of natural born citizen could be distinguished from citizen is by considering the citizenship status of the parents.  And this is exactly what we find in Minor v. Happersett.  The definition there is essentially what I have written above.  Unfortunately, the definition in Minor was an obiter dictum, so we still do not have a legally recognized definition of natural born citizen.</p>
<p>Obama’s birth certificate is incidental to the question of whether or not he is a natural born citizen, since he has admitted to the facts that disqualify him from office on his web site, <a href="http://fightthesmears.com" rel="nofollow">fightthesmears.com</a>.  There he attests to the fact that he was born a British citizen by virtue of his father being a Kenyan native who was subject to British nationality laws at the time.  Of course, if his birth certificate does show he was born in Kenya (or some other foreign country) then he would not be a natural born citizen by that fact alone.</p>
<p>The remaining officials are not natural born citizens for the reasons listed.</p>
<p>Senator John McCain – born on foreign soil in Colon, Panama<br />Governor Bill Richardson – born on U.S. soil to a Mexican mother (born in Spain) who travelled to the U.S. to specifically give birth here.<br />Governor Bobby Jindal – born on U.S. soil to foreign born parents (India) who were not yet naturalized.  His mother was pregnant with him when his parents arrived in the U.S.</p>
<p>I believe that the question of presidential eligibility is a very serious issue that needs to be resolved.  I have no respect for those who would ridicule those of us who do take this issue seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: NeilBJ</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/35694/rep-bill-posey-explains-his-birther-bill/comment-page-1#comment-28429</link>
		<dc:creator>NeilBJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 13:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am aware of four public officials whose natural born citizenship status is questionable and as such the issue needs to be settled in a court of law once and for all.  They are:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;President Barack Obama,&lt;br&gt;Senator John McCain,&lt;br&gt;Governor Bill Richardson, and&lt;br&gt;Governor Bobby Jindal&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They are not natural born citizens according to the following definition, a definition that has been put forth by a number of constitutional scholars.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A natural born citizen is a person&lt;br&gt;1)	who was born on U.S. soil, AND&lt;br&gt;2)	whose parents were both U.S. citizens, either natural born or naturalized.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The constitution recognizes two classes of citizenship: citizen and natural born citizen.  This is evident in the eligibility requirements for candidates for Congress and candidates for President.  A congressional candidate (Representative or Senator) must be a citizen; he need not be a natural born citizen.  A Presidential candidate, of course, must be a natural born citizen.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Any definition of natural born citizen cannot be the same as citizen, since such a definition would result in making the natural born citizenship clause in the constitution ineffective.  This is based on a principle of constitutional interpretation put forth in Marbury v. Madison by Chief Justice Marshall:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect; and therefore such construction is inadmissible, unless the words require it.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words a construction that equates natural born citizen to citizen is inadmissible.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are no words in any amendment that have changed the natural born citizenship clause in Article II, Section 1.  The 14th amendment has been interpreted to grant citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil regardless of the citizenship status of his or her parents.  The only way that the definition of natural born citizen could be distinguished from citizen is by considering the citizenship status of the parents.  And this is exactly what we find in Minor v. Happersett.  The definition there is essentially what I have written above.  Unfortunately, the definition in Minor was an obiter dictum, so we still do not have a legally recognized definition of natural born citizen.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama’s birth certificate is incidental to the question of whether or not he is a natural born citizen, since he has admitted to the facts that disqualify him from office on his web site, &lt;a href=&quot;http://fightthesmears.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fightthesmears.com&lt;/a&gt;.  There he attests to the fact that he was born a British citizen by virtue of his father being a Kenyan native who was subject to British nationality laws at the time.  Of course, if his birth certificate does show he was born in Kenya (or some other foreign country) then he would not be a natural born citizen by that fact alone.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The remaining officials are not natural born citizens for the reasons listed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Senator John McCain – born on foreign soil in Colon, Panama&lt;br&gt;Governor Bill Richardson – born on U.S. soil to a Mexican mother (born in Spain) who travelled to the U.S. to specifically give birth here.&lt;br&gt;Governor Bobby Jindal – born on U.S. soil to foreign born parents (India) who were not yet naturalized.  His mother was pregnant with him when his parents arrived in the U.S.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe that the question of presidential eligibility is a very serious issue that needs to be resolved.  I have no respect for those who would ridicule those of us who do take this issue seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am aware of four public officials whose natural born citizenship status is questionable and as such the issue needs to be settled in a court of law once and for all.  They are:</p>
<p>President Barack Obama,<br />Senator John McCain,<br />Governor Bill Richardson, and<br />Governor Bobby Jindal</p>
<p>They are not natural born citizens according to the following definition, a definition that has been put forth by a number of constitutional scholars.</p>
<p>A natural born citizen is a person<br />1)	who was born on U.S. soil, AND<br />2)	whose parents were both U.S. citizens, either natural born or naturalized.</p>
<p>The constitution recognizes two classes of citizenship: citizen and natural born citizen.  This is evident in the eligibility requirements for candidates for Congress and candidates for President.  A congressional candidate (Representative or Senator) must be a citizen; he need not be a natural born citizen.  A Presidential candidate, of course, must be a natural born citizen.</p>
<p>Any definition of natural born citizen cannot be the same as citizen, since such a definition would result in making the natural born citizenship clause in the constitution ineffective.  This is based on a principle of constitutional interpretation put forth in Marbury v. Madison by Chief Justice Marshall:</p>
<p>“It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect; and therefore such construction is inadmissible, unless the words require it.”</p>
<p>In other words a construction that equates natural born citizen to citizen is inadmissible.</p>
<p>There are no words in any amendment that have changed the natural born citizenship clause in Article II, Section 1.  The 14th amendment has been interpreted to grant citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil regardless of the citizenship status of his or her parents.  The only way that the definition of natural born citizen could be distinguished from citizen is by considering the citizenship status of the parents.  And this is exactly what we find in Minor v. Happersett.  The definition there is essentially what I have written above.  Unfortunately, the definition in Minor was an obiter dictum, so we still do not have a legally recognized definition of natural born citizen.</p>
<p>Obama’s birth certificate is incidental to the question of whether or not he is a natural born citizen, since he has admitted to the facts that disqualify him from office on his web site, <a href="http://fightthesmears.com" rel="nofollow">fightthesmears.com</a>.  There he attests to the fact that he was born a British citizen by virtue of his father being a Kenyan native who was subject to British nationality laws at the time.  Of course, if his birth certificate does show he was born in Kenya (or some other foreign country) then he would not be a natural born citizen by that fact alone.</p>
<p>The remaining officials are not natural born citizens for the reasons listed.</p>
<p>Senator John McCain – born on foreign soil in Colon, Panama<br />Governor Bill Richardson – born on U.S. soil to a Mexican mother (born in Spain) who travelled to the U.S. to specifically give birth here.<br />Governor Bobby Jindal – born on U.S. soil to foreign born parents (India) who were not yet naturalized.  His mother was pregnant with him when his parents arrived in the U.S.</p>
<p>I believe that the question of presidential eligibility is a very serious issue that needs to be resolved.  I have no respect for those who would ridicule those of us who do take this issue seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: Claude Delonget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claude Delonget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What planet is &lt;a href=&quot;http://24ahead.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;24ahead.com&lt;/a&gt;  posting from?  Factcheck went down to the Obama offices and photographed the COLB, the Certification of Live Birth, the prima facie document of his birth certicate on file with the state of Hawaii, the document that Hawaii sends you when you send in your money and request your birth certificate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The COLB clearly states he was born in Hawaii in August of 1961.  The COLB is stamped and certified.  The President is a natural born citizen and is clearly eligible to be President.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no credible proof that he&#039;s spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending this issue, or that he was born anywhere else but Hawaii.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If I were Obama, I wouldn&#039;t release the long-form either.  Why appease the nutjobs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What planet is <a href="http://24ahead.com" rel="nofollow">24ahead.com</a>  posting from?  Factcheck went down to the Obama offices and photographed the COLB, the Certification of Live Birth, the prima facie document of his birth certicate on file with the state of Hawaii, the document that Hawaii sends you when you send in your money and request your birth certificate.</p>
<p>The COLB clearly states he was born in Hawaii in August of 1961.  The COLB is stamped and certified.  The President is a natural born citizen and is clearly eligible to be President.</p>
<p>There is no credible proof that he&#39;s spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending this issue, or that he was born anywhere else but Hawaii.</p>
<p>If I were Obama, I wouldn&#39;t release the long-form either.  Why appease the nutjobs?</p>
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