Rep. Bill Posey Explains His Birther Bill

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Wednesday, March 25, 2009 at 1:03 pm

Freshman Rep. Bill Posey (R-Fla.), who took some heat for introducing a bill that would force presidential candidates to provide proof of citizenship, explains himself on a blog he writes for a local newspaper.

Why’d I do this? Well, for a number of reasons and the more and more I get called names by leftwing activists, partisan hacks and political operatives for doing it, the more and more I think I did the right thing. First, it’s easy to call people names. This week, I’ve been called some pretty nasty things. That’s fine. But none of these tolerant people actually want to discuss the issue at hand … whether or not a presidential candidate should have to file these documents with the government.

That’s a pretty deep hole Posey is digging. In a vacuum, sure, the issue is whether the mere scrutiny of the international media and biographers is enough to prove that presidential candidates are citizens. In reality, this issue has been pushed by conspiracy theorists, against all evidence, to sue the president.

I could easily fill up a page listing all the activities an American needs to show their ID for … everything from playing youth soccer to getting a drivers license, buying cigarettes and alcohol, to opening bank accounts and even playing little league. So I was pretty surprised to find out that to run for president, despite the constitutional requirement and the media scrubbing that goes on, it’s not required for a candidate to file these documents when they submit their statement of candidacy with the FEC.

“Little league” might be a lousy example.

But having been charged with reforming the elections in the State of Florida after the 2000 recounts and lawsuits, I thought I could offer a solution to this question on eligibility. There’s nothing anyone can do about changing past elections … the President won. All the lawsuits in the world are not going to change that. But if what some folks are worried about – that presidential candidates don’t have to submit to the same documentation that average folks have to submit to – well, then we can change that for the next election.

He’s trying to help Obama! What’s wrong with you people?

A recent AOL poll found showed that 75 percent of the people participating agreed with me. And many have expressed surprise it is not already a requirement.

That AOL poll was overrun by fringe websites like WorldNetDaily, which told readers to go and vote on it. Even if it hadn’t been, the “it was popular in a non-scientific web poll” is an unusual defense to come from a congressman.

Yes, the problem with the 2000 presidential election in Florida was clearly whether the candidates were eligible for office. You can follow TWI on Twitter here.

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Patrick
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 10:49 am

This guy is an idiot pandering to idiots. I am from Florida. I know the drill.


Louis
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 11:03 am

You ridicule the congressman as though there is no dispute about Obama's eligibility. Why has Obama spent over $700,000 fighting the release of his birth certificate if there were no dispute? Do you not find that strange? Why are the few reporters who even bring up this subject do so only in the context of trying to ridicule others who are asking legitimate questions, like is our President actually eligible to be President?

You know what, instead of trying to be cute with little quips after each of his statements, why don't you pretend to be a reporter for a little while? Is Obama eligible? No one knows. You could be the reporter that proves it once and for all. Think of all the dinner parties you'll be invited to (that is what you guys live for, right?). Or are you afraid of what you will find if you actually investigate this? If not, then why not get started? It would take one phone call to the White House, that's it. Ask the President to release his birth certificate, instead of the COLB they released, which means nothing.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 11:07 am

The only one digging a hole is Weigel and his friends.

A while back, Weigel wrote a post about my concerns over this issue. I tried to leave a comment pointing out how he was wrong, but he refused to approve the comment. Giving someone the right of reply isn't a law, but it is good journalistic practice.

You can see my discussion of how Weigel is wrong here; that includes a comment from Weigel which I responded to in the post, showing yet again how he's wrong and he has no clue about this issue.

Andrew Sullivan recently suggested that BHO simply provide the real cert, and eventually someone in the MSM is going to go a bit further, such as when the MSM tires of BHO. They're going to point out that BHO never actually provided definitive proof of where he was born. You can't keep something like that covered up for very long, and it's going to come out sooner or later. At that point, Weigel and Ben Smith should get used to asking whether someone wants fries with that.


Jim
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 11:09 am

Louis,

Focus on this for the next four years of your life. I thought it was the Republican party that was against junk lawsuits. Everyone knows Obama is eligible. What you all are doing is trying to make the argument that the South won the Civil War and are shocked and outraged when people respond that the North won. You don't want the reporters to be reporters. Cause the reporters who are reporters don't have the far-right slant you have. Even Fox doesn't think this is a thing. You want the story to continue forever. You don't want it resolved. I'd ask you to be intellectually honest enough to admit that, but for someone so immune to facts, intellectual honesty would seem a stretch.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 11:11 am

The problem is that Weigel isn't a real reporter. He's just a hack for a Soros/Rockefeller-funded pseudo-paper.

I've repeatedly challenged Weigel to simply pick up the phone, call Hawaii, and get confirmation of his assumptions. He's repeatedly refused.

If Weigel wants to settle this matter, he should try to get answers to the questions at that link. I even provide the phone number and the name of the person to speak to. If they won't confirm his assumptions, then Weigel should print a retraction.

Weigel will never call Hawaii and ask those questions, because he knows they won't confirm his assumptions.


leslie
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 11:56 am

Louis, can you be more specific about where the $700k was spent to 'hide' the information?

If you have time, why not look into who in the Bush adminstration helped to organize 9/11.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 12:29 pm

Lawyers aren't free, and BHO's and the DNC's lawyers spent a lot of time on this and similar cases.

If you select #8 in that list, you can see some of the things that Obama refused to provide. It's certainly a long list, but considering that BHO wanted to be president it wasn't that onerous. If he had nothing to hide he could have just provided that information – instead of simply uploading a picture to a website – and the problem would have gone away.

The thing that BHO might actually be afraid of is what's in the other records, such as his school apps and transcripts. Even the NYT wrote an article about how BHO's version of his time at Columbia conflicted with reality.

What Ben Smith and Dave Weigel have to realize is that they're still young, and they'll probably be involved in reporting or similar when the truth starts coming out. They might want to think about this from a long term perspective and start protecting their future careers now.


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Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

Dave, do you suppose LonewackoDotCom spends all of his free time masturbating to the thought that you might respond to one of his comments. The boy's John Hinckley without the self-control.


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24AheadDotCom
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 3:21 pm

For those new to this issue, here's a quick intro to just one aspect.

The only documentation that BHO has ever provided is pictured on his site here:
fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

Compare that to this '63 “long form” cert.

As you can see, there's quite a bit of a difference. Even if the picture on his site matches the one that Hawaii has on file, the reason why he's fought so hard to avoid releasing more information might be because there's something on the “long form” that he doesn't want us to know about.


Alferd
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 3:48 pm

Here is the best image available of the COLB.

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_ce…

The image clearly shows that it is a sealed document issued by the state of Hawaii that states quite clearly that he was born in Honolulu. No other information is needed nor is pertinent.


Alferd
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

Lawyers are free if the work pro bono. The lawyer that represented Obama in the Keyes lawsuit in California worked Pro Bono.


Alferd
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

Why doesn't Posey's bill also require the VP candidate to present his or her qualifications?

Either

1) Posey is ignorant of the U.S. constituion,

or

2) The only purpose of this bill is to harass the sitting president by pandering to tin foil headgear types.


Justine
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 5:24 pm

The President of the United States is a former law professor (for 12 years!), and is also an expert on the Constitution of the U.S. Only someone with a tiny mind and a great deal of bigotry would contemplate that Pres. Obama is not thoroughly knowledgeable about the requirements for the Presidency! He should be given much credit for trying to keep his campaign promises despite unprecedented scrutiny and criticism. Keep it real!


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-bwg
Comment posted March 25, 2009 @ 8:43 pm

It's a stupid requirement and there should me an amendment eliminating the requirement that the President be a natural born citizen or a US citizen at the time of the constitution's adoption.


Robert
Comment posted March 26, 2009 @ 7:46 am

Louis you share a great deal with congressman posey, you are both morons. I can not imagine that the folks in the 15th district are happy with this brainless idiot. If you dislike Obama that's your right but your stupid theory is beyond the pail.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted March 26, 2009 @ 11:56 am

Spoken like a true cultist.

Meanwhile, the image Alferd links to was silently edited after it was first posted. They recompressed it (for some strange reason!) and also removed the camera data showing a possibly incorrect date from months before FactCheck supposedly looked at it.

But, because Obama says it's true, it must be true!


Alferd
Comment posted March 26, 2009 @ 3:05 pm

Yawn, is that the best you got?

Give it up. He was born in Hawaii, and you were born a loser


Claude Delonget
Comment posted March 30, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

What planet is 24ahead.com posting from? Factcheck went down to the Obama offices and photographed the COLB, the Certification of Live Birth, the prima facie document of his birth certicate on file with the state of Hawaii, the document that Hawaii sends you when you send in your money and request your birth certificate.

The COLB clearly states he was born in Hawaii in August of 1961. The COLB is stamped and certified. The President is a natural born citizen and is clearly eligible to be President.

There is no credible proof that he's spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending this issue, or that he was born anywhere else but Hawaii.

If I were Obama, I wouldn't release the long-form either. Why appease the nutjobs?


NeilBJ
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 8:53 am

I am aware of four public officials whose natural born citizenship status is questionable and as such the issue needs to be settled in a court of law once and for all. They are:

President Barack Obama,
Senator John McCain,
Governor Bill Richardson, and
Governor Bobby Jindal

They are not natural born citizens according to the following definition, a definition that has been put forth by a number of constitutional scholars.

A natural born citizen is a person
1) who was born on U.S. soil, AND
2) whose parents were both U.S. citizens, either natural born or naturalized.

The constitution recognizes two classes of citizenship: citizen and natural born citizen. This is evident in the eligibility requirements for candidates for Congress and candidates for President. A congressional candidate (Representative or Senator) must be a citizen; he need not be a natural born citizen. A Presidential candidate, of course, must be a natural born citizen.

Any definition of natural born citizen cannot be the same as citizen, since such a definition would result in making the natural born citizenship clause in the constitution ineffective. This is based on a principle of constitutional interpretation put forth in Marbury v. Madison by Chief Justice Marshall:

“It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect; and therefore such construction is inadmissible, unless the words require it.”

In other words a construction that equates natural born citizen to citizen is inadmissible.

There are no words in any amendment that have changed the natural born citizenship clause in Article II, Section 1. The 14th amendment has been interpreted to grant citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil regardless of the citizenship status of his or her parents. The only way that the definition of natural born citizen could be distinguished from citizen is by considering the citizenship status of the parents. And this is exactly what we find in Minor v. Happersett. The definition there is essentially what I have written above. Unfortunately, the definition in Minor was an obiter dictum, so we still do not have a legally recognized definition of natural born citizen.

Obama’s birth certificate is incidental to the question of whether or not he is a natural born citizen, since he has admitted to the facts that disqualify him from office on his web site, fightthesmears.com. There he attests to the fact that he was born a British citizen by virtue of his father being a Kenyan native who was subject to British nationality laws at the time. Of course, if his birth certificate does show he was born in Kenya (or some other foreign country) then he would not be a natural born citizen by that fact alone.

The remaining officials are not natural born citizens for the reasons listed.

Senator John McCain – born on foreign soil in Colon, Panama
Governor Bill Richardson – born on U.S. soil to a Mexican mother (born in Spain) who travelled to the U.S. to specifically give birth here.
Governor Bobby Jindal – born on U.S. soil to foreign born parents (India) who were not yet naturalized. His mother was pregnant with him when his parents arrived in the U.S.

I believe that the question of presidential eligibility is a very serious issue that needs to be resolved. I have no respect for those who would ridicule those of us who do take this issue seriously.


NeilBJ
Comment posted April 26, 2009 @ 3:53 pm

I am aware of four public officials whose natural born citizenship status is questionable and as such the issue needs to be settled in a court of law once and for all. They are:

President Barack Obama,
Senator John McCain,
Governor Bill Richardson, and
Governor Bobby Jindal

They are not natural born citizens according to the following definition, a definition that has been put forth by a number of constitutional scholars.

A natural born citizen is a person
1) who was born on U.S. soil, AND
2) whose parents were both U.S. citizens, either natural born or naturalized.

The constitution recognizes two classes of citizenship: citizen and natural born citizen. This is evident in the eligibility requirements for candidates for Congress and candidates for President. A congressional candidate (Representative or Senator) must be a citizen; he need not be a natural born citizen. A Presidential candidate, of course, must be a natural born citizen.

Any definition of natural born citizen cannot be the same as citizen, since such a definition would result in making the natural born citizenship clause in the constitution ineffective. This is based on a principle of constitutional interpretation put forth in Marbury v. Madison by Chief Justice Marshall:

“It cannot be presumed that any clause in the constitution is intended to be without effect; and therefore such construction is inadmissible, unless the words require it.”

In other words a construction that equates natural born citizen to citizen is inadmissible.

There are no words in any amendment that have changed the natural born citizenship clause in Article II, Section 1. The 14th amendment has been interpreted to grant citizenship to anyone born on U.S. soil regardless of the citizenship status of his or her parents. The only way that the definition of natural born citizen could be distinguished from citizen is by considering the citizenship status of the parents. And this is exactly what we find in Minor v. Happersett. The definition there is essentially what I have written above. Unfortunately, the definition in Minor was an obiter dictum, so we still do not have a legally recognized definition of natural born citizen.

Obama’s birth certificate is incidental to the question of whether or not he is a natural born citizen, since he has admitted to the facts that disqualify him from office on his web site, fightthesmears.com. There he attests to the fact that he was born a British citizen by virtue of his father being a Kenyan native who was subject to British nationality laws at the time. Of course, if his birth certificate does show he was born in Kenya (or some other foreign country) then he would not be a natural born citizen by that fact alone.

The remaining officials are not natural born citizens for the reasons listed.

Senator John McCain – born on foreign soil in Colon, Panama
Governor Bill Richardson – born on U.S. soil to a Mexican mother (born in Spain) who travelled to the U.S. to specifically give birth here.
Governor Bobby Jindal – born on U.S. soil to foreign born parents (India) who were not yet naturalized. His mother was pregnant with him when his parents arrived in the U.S.

I believe that the question of presidential eligibility is a very serious issue that needs to be resolved. I have no respect for those who would ridicule those of us who do take this issue seriously.


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paulwade
Comment posted June 21, 2009 @ 3:49 pm

Mr. Posey,

I strongly support your bill regarding proof of a person's legal eligibility for the POTUS office. I have written my representative (Bart Gordon of Tennessee) urging him to co-sponsor the bill with you. I hate to say it, but the USA today isn't the land I was raised in. I have to prove who I am for many issues. I would have to show my driver's license to prove my age here in Tennessee if I wished to buy a beer or cigarette, and at 78, I, regrettably think I already look much older than 21.

Facts are facts; Barack Hussein Obama had a foreign father and teenage mother in 1961. How could he be accepted as a 'natural born' citizen?

McCain was questioned but Obama wasn't. Why not? The Electoral College voted him in office without requiring his legal eligibility proof, why? The Senate approved their vote without checking him out, why not?

Has the communist regime slowly taken over our Congress for a person like Obama to take office?

Time will tell. Considering the situation, it may have been a big awakening of our nation. But, will the cost will be reversible?


paulwade
Comment posted June 21, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

You are right. Obama does know the Constitution. Why do you think he is keeping so much information about himself secret?

Really, what do you know about him?


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Comment posted July 24, 2009 @ 2:34 am

The U.S. Military has traced the birther moment back to elements of the North Korean military. Apparently the North Kroean Military is attempting to sew civil unrest in the U.S. as part of a larger cyber attack on U.S. facilities and interests worldwide.

If true, then Rep Posey could possibly be charged with aiding and abetting the enemy.


chris
Comment posted August 12, 2009 @ 10:02 pm

this is just weird on so many levels, right? how many times do i have to say it? Voting Doesn't Work!


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I know enough to listen to his ideas. I don't want to date the guy, i just want him to work for me.


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You are right, he should know the law! That is why he is keeping his official birth certificate hidden. He knows he is in office illegally. Simply put, he stole it.


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Comment posted February 16, 2011 @ 3:57 am

There are two reasons to support the Birther Bill.
1. Amendment 14 requires the birth to be “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States”. The father has historically been recognized as being the legal entity. Also, what was the legal jurisdiction of the mother?
2. The 14th Amendment was not legal, but there has been so much water under the bridge that it has become accepted. This source is “The Ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment”, by Joseph B. James, 1984, Mercer University Press.


john
Comment posted February 16, 2011 @ 6:54 am

I’m embarrassed to say I live in Montana…….
I would say …to him…aren’t there more important things to spend time and tax payer money on!!!
He was out of his league tonight in CNN…….
What a joke.


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 2:29 am

The birther bill is unconstitutional on its face.The time and money spent on debating it and then having to defend it in court could be better spent on improving the economy.

Provide one legal cite to support your contention about the father. I will refer you to Won Kim Ark – http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html.

Please tell us why the 14th Amendment is not legal. As part of the Constitution it is the law of the land.


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 2:39 am

paul, what factors preclude his being a viable candidate. A non-citizen father is not a bar – Wong Kim Ark – http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html. A teenage mother means nothing. McCain and Obama were both questioned. Congress passed a resolution supporting McCain’s citizenship. Obama produced a birth certificate, the only proof of birth provided by the state of California.

You cannot possibly believe that every other candidate including Clinton did not investigate. Where are the records that every previous presidential candidate was investigated, including those with non-citizen fathers?


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 2:47 am

You are correct about two classes of citizenship – by birth, like Obama and by naturalization – like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

If you want a real review of who is a natural born citizen, see US v. Wong Kim Ark – http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0169_0649_ZO.html

Please provide your legal cites to the contrary.


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 2:51 am

Claude – Every document provided to date has been called a forgery or inadequate. We can presume every other document would be met with the same derision. There is no appeasement.


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 2:56 am

The COLB provided by the state of Hawaii is the official birth certificate. Per Article 4, Section 1 of the US Constitution, all states must accept this form. You, as an individual, are free to want what you want, just don’t expect your state to successfully ask for more.


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 2:57 am

I know as much about him as any other candidate. Let me ask why you think lack of knowledge is knowledge of something evil?


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 2:59 am

Alferd,I had to read the bill again. You are right…on all points. Thanks for pointing that out.


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 3:10 am

Because former Governor Linda Lingle (R) and DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said it is true? Because there is no credible evidence to the contrary?


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 3:14 am

The 700K has grown to millions, though the usual figure is $1.6M, all of the billings of a law firm to the campaign without any breakdown by service provided. There’s one born every minute.


Paul Wade
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 1:26 pm

Maybe you should read the constitution, Alferd. The Vice-President must also be a natural born citizen. Otherwise, they would not be eligible to take over the president’s office if ‘happening’ occured.


Paul Wade
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 1:26 pm

Maybe you should read the constitution, Alferd. The Vice-President must also be a natural born citizen. Otherwise, they would not be eligible to take over the president’s office if ‘happening’ occured.


Paul Wade
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 1:33 pm

That item is only a Certification of Live Birth. It only means he was born and Hawaii accept him as a born person. The document does not stipulate where he was born, only that he was.

It stipulates his father’s race as African. When did African become a race? I though it was a Continent. Being an African could mean a Kenyan calling themselves African as people born in the States of the United States call themselves Americans.


Paul Wade
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 1:36 pm

Alferd,

Even if he was born in Hawaii, how could he be considered a “natural born” citizen with a Kenyan father?

Has our constitution been changed?


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Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 1:49 pm

Don’t you the doctor who delivered him wouldn’t want to be known over the world as his delivering doctor? Free advertising. Many parents in the future would love for their babies to be born through that same office.

Don’t you think the hospital he “doesn’t seem to know which one he was born in” wouldn’t love that free advertisemtn?


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 3:49 pm

Paul – I might ask you the same thing. Where in the Constitution or in any court case has a father’s nationality been a factor in whether a person born in the US can be president or vice president? For a hint you might look at Dred Scott v Sanford, but that case will not get you a lot of support as it affirmed slavery and has since been overturned.

To the contrary, I ask you to look at US vs. Wong Kim Arc and read up on Chester Arthur and Spiro Agnew.


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 3:56 pm

The doctor may well be dead. It has been almost 50 years. Even a recently graduated doctor would be thinking more about retirement than advertising after that many years.

The hospital did release a letter and got in trouble for violating HIPAA.

Wouldn’t I love if you did some checking before posting?


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 3:59 pm

“Steadfastly refused” is a poor choice of words. Perhaps “ignored” would be better. As he found out when a certified copy of his COLB was released, some people will claim anything and everything produced in a fake and, even if it were unreal, they will find some other reason to claim he is ineligible.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted February 18, 2011 @ 7:40 pm

Fukino’s first statement wasn’t clear, and she let the issue fester for months. In her second statement, she made a legal determination she’s not qualified to make, and then rhetorically stalked off in a huff.

And, considering that other civil servants have helped O even when it meant them getting fired or resigning, pardon me if I require stronger verification.

As for Lingle, see this:

http://24ahead.com/s/linda-lingle

She doesn’t claim to have seen anything herself, and in the statement you reference she lied.


Paul Wade
Comment posted February 19, 2011 @ 9:37 pm

I suggest you read Article II Section 1 Paragraph 5 of our constitution. what do you interpret “natural born Citizen”, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President.

As I have read in the past, ‘both parents’ must be citizens of the United States. Not just one or the other. Both!


Paul Wade
Comment posted February 19, 2011 @ 9:54 pm

Basically, Amendment XIV simply states all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof…

If that, then, bi-passes Article II, Section !, Paragraph 5 in its requirement for the President to only be s ‘simple’ citizen, then wouldn’t it have to accepted for any illegal alien to come into the United States and have a baby, that is being given automatic citizenship and it would automatically be eligible to become president of our nation? Even if the child had been taken back across the border to their homeland, and simply came back just in time to run for the presiend’s office?
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Paul Wade
Comment posted February 19, 2011 @ 9:57 pm

You are right. The 14th Amendment is legal. But I suggest you read the entire Constitution!


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 21, 2011 @ 3:44 pm

I have. Provide the cite to demonstrate that your definition of natural born citizen is accurate. I have provided one that says it is not.

Your example is only partially correct. If a child is born in the, the child is a natural born citizen and able to run for President upon achieving the age of 35 and having been a resident of the country for fourteen years.


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 21, 2011 @ 3:49 pm

Where did you read that and how does it apply? Please don’t give me that Vattell Law of Nations nonsense. That title was not given to the book until after the Constitution was written, nor was he a significant expert on national law.

There have been only two SCOTUS cases of which I am aware. The first was Dred Scott, which was overturned by Wong Kim Arc.

How do explain Chester Arthur and Spiro Agnew?


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 21, 2011 @ 3:49 pm

Where did you read that and how does it apply? Please don’t give me that Vattell Law of Nations nonsense. That title was not given to the book until after the Constitution was written, nor was he a significant expert on national law.

There have been only two SCOTUS cases of which I am aware. The first was Dred Scott, which was overturned by Wong Kim Arc.

How do explain Chester Arthur and Spiro Agnew?


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 21, 2011 @ 3:52 pm

You respond with the usual birther misdirection. She was in a position to have her candidate win. Instead she is bought off and uses cryptic language to send the true believers a hidden message.

There is nothing but a string of what-ifs, provenly forged documents from convicted forgers, and supposition.


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 21, 2011 @ 3:52 pm

You respond with the usual birther misdirection. She was in a position to have her candidate win. Instead she is bought off and uses cryptic language to send the true believers a hidden message.

There is nothing but a string of what-ifs, provenly forged documents from convicted forgers, and supposition.


Privacy Manager
Comment posted February 22, 2011 @ 9:36 pm

Sorry, I meant to type, “the only proof of birth provided by the state of Hawaii.”


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Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 12:51 pm

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Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 12:51 pm

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