Does Peg Luksik Agree With Her Old Running Mate?

There are millions of people that still want to see Obama's original vault certificate. Hawaii said they had it, but did not say what was on it. Anybody can get a COLB and not even be born in Hawaii. Obama is hiding the truth from Americans. So much for transparency. The question is why doesn't EVERYBODY demand proof, that only Obama can give, that he is truly eligible for presidency of the USA? This subject will not die, no matter if the liberal media continues to ignore and shovel it underground. I applaud anybody who stands up and asks the Obama birth question. It has never been proven either way. Everything that could relieve our doubts has been sealed, Obama has made sure that nobody can find any answers to these questions. It's like Obama is flipping the whole country off!

I agree 100%. BO has NOT been held accountable deliberately. Both houses of congress are now in a position of no checks and balances. They can pass any bill without a single Republican vote. The Democratic controlled U.S. government can now do as they please. They knowingly will not dare expose BO as it would nullify everything gained to this point and all those BO appointments would be invalid and out of a job. Wake Up America, our country has been the victim of a silent socialistic coup. They will do anything and everything to protect this new found control of the U.S. government and country. This has been years in the making. America needs to demand and force the truth. This country is losing its freedom right before our eyes and few seem to see it because the Main Stream Media will not show the truth and has censored most negatives (i.e. Birth Certificate, etc.) about Obama. This kind of censorship control is what happened in Germany right before WWII. We are becoming the laughing stock of the world because of this calamity. Please demand BO prove that he meets the qualification requirements set forth in the U.S. constitution.

Shar says anybody can get a COLB and not even be born in Hawaii, but Obama's specifically says he was born in Honolulu. That's proof enough in any court in the United States. Why do these conspiracy nuts keep saying that it hasn't been proven? That's just nonsense.

Why the name calling? Calling names does not take away the questions. Don't you know that a COLB can be had in Hawaii by foreign borns by simply registering. It does not take the place of a birth CERTIFICATE signed by the mother and the doctor and stating the hospital or place of birth! A COLB is a certification of live birth, gotten in Honolulu, and does not mean that the baby was BORN in Honolulu, only that the birth (from any country) was registered in Hawaii. Even the Hawaii officials did not say Obama was born in Honolulu, only that they have the birth certificate on file. They never mentioned what was stated on it. It is a simple enough task for Obama to open up to the USA about his past. Tell me, Doubtful, why are all Obama's educational records are sealed? Why are his passport records sealed? What do you think he is hiding?

What are you talking about? If it does not mean that the baby was born in Honolulu, why does it say “City, Town or Location of Birth: Honolulu”? It's an official document, which means that the State of Hawaii takes responsibility for the accuracy of what it says.

What about my other questions, Doubtful?

Once he has proved he was born in Hawaii, which is what the COLB does, the other questions are irrelevant to his qualifications to be POTUS. And what about my question — how could an official document say he was born in Honolulu if he was born somewhere else? Is the State of Hawaii (and its Republican governor!) lying?

—-”Anybody can get a COLB and not even be born in Hawaii”—— That is a pantload and you know it. People who were not born in Hawaii can not get a COLB stating that they were in fact born in Hawaii. To claim that they can is just stupid beyond belief.

—-”This kind of censorship control is what happened in Germany right before WWII.”—– Godwin's law gets invoked on the second post. LOL

Answer the following. Why does the COLB state that he was born in Honolulu if he wasn't?

I never said the State of Hawaii was lying, I just said they didn't say what is on the original birth certificate, only that they are holding it. Why can't we see Obama's historical records? What reason is there to seal them unless, of course, they indicate citizenship elsewhere? Why can't we read some of his school work? Why do Obama and Michelle not have the right to practice law any more in Illinois? There are multitudes of questions, but no transparency. Why is Obama not more willing to answer these questions, but avoids them at all costs?

To those who believe that somehow the original BC was “Altered” so that the COLB is incorrect when it states that Obama was born in Honolulu, I have a question for you: Besides for altering his place of birth, did Obama's parents also alter his birthdate as well? If so, Why?

Either the State of Hawaii is lying, or he has absolute legal proof that he was born in Hawaii. One or the other — there's no way around it. And if he's got proof, no more documentation is required. So which is it? Do you have a valid reason for demanding that he keep showing you more documents?

—-”What reason is there to seal them unless, of course, they indicate citizenship elsewhere? “—-

No, they are sealed because it is the law to restrict access to ALL birth certificate records.

This is based on preventing identity theft and compliance with HIPPA laws.

If Jesus Christ himself came down off the cross with Obama's original BC in hand, showing that he was born in Honolulu, the birthers would cry “coverup!”

Because we know nothing about him, because all other records about him are sealed. Why can't we see some college records or passport records. BTW, HIPAA (notice the correct acronym) applies only to medical records. What about his Selective Service records, his college thesis, why are THEY sealed?

Ummm, how about my question? Are you conceding that he has proven that he was born in Hawaii? Or are you in fact implying that the document is a lie?

You should be ashamed of yourself, e. I'm ashamed of you. Why won't Obama let us know about himself? Is this all just a distraction so that he can ruin our great country? I feel sorry for you and your lack of integrity.

A birth certificate IS a medical record.

e,
why can't the American public know which hospital he was born in and who his doctor was? Why can't we know what his passport says? Why can't we know how he traveled? Why can't we know why he can no longer practice law in Illinois?

Ad hominem attacks already?

Why don't you answer my question at the top of the page.

We have never seen his birth certificate, only an illegally redacted COLB.

An illegally redacted COLB does not prove Obama was born in Hawaii.

All of those things have NOTHING to do with his eligibility to be POTUS.

LOL, that's a new one! Any evidence for the “illegally redacted” part?

BTW, it's HIPAA, and that only applies to medical records, which are also off limits. Old man McCain was much more transparent than Obama…

Gee, a few minutes ago it was “A COLB … does not mean that the baby was BORN in Honolulu,” and now that you've gotten caught with that whopper you switch gears to “illegally redacted”! You have no integrity at all — I'm finished trying to talk sense to you.

Nope, the scan was altered, not the original. try again.

The COLB is legal, and perfectly valid evidence that he was born in Honolulu. Why can't you accept that?

A birth certificate IS a medical record.

One more time:

To those who believe that somehow the original BC was “Altered” so that the COLB is incorrect when it states that Obama was born in Honolulu, I have a question for you:

Besides for altering his place of birth, did Obama's parents also alter his birthdate as well?

If so, Why?

Well?

I don't have any evidence I can give you right now. Do you a reason why we can't have more history on Obama; i.e. college, passport, secret service records? Why are he and Michelle not able to practice law in Illinois?

Maybe not, but they would certainly eliminate any question about his citizenship issue…

There are no questions about his citizenship status. He was born in Honolulu. The State of Hawaii has legally sworn to this fact.

We're all just stating opinion here, after all it is a blog. The fact remains that all of us know little about Obama's past. Sure wish I could be proud of him.

The truth is you don't much about Obama's past history either. I just want to be able to be proud an African-American has been chosen to be our leader. Instead, there is the simple truth that Obama is unwilling to share with all of us.

As for the law license issue. B. Obama's license is “inactive” – that means that he still HAS a law license. He is just not using it. Many, if not most states have an “inactive” status. People use it when they are not actively practicing because then they don't have to pay bar dues, go to continuing education classes, etc. A license can be reactivated when/if the attorney chooses to return to practice. Which, in the case of the Obama's is pretty unlikely.

You may or may not be required to take continuing education classes to do so. There is nothing nefarious about it. If he gave up his license, he would not be inactive, he would not be listed in the bar rolls at all.

And discipline that results in a suspension or disbarment is almost always public. The purpose of attorney discipline is to protect the public. Making discipline public fosters that goal. In most jurisdictions, you cannot exchange your law license to avoid discipline. It is still reported, and still public. It is often called “disbarment by consent” but it is still public discipline.

Many people have law degrees but absolutely no need for a law license. Still others, like Michelle Obama, go into a line of work where a license and insurance are not necessary. I have seen nothing that leads me to believe that she was suspended or disbarred. The Illinois bar website would list it if it did happen.

See above

Even you don't have any answers.

I answered your question in at the top of this comment list. scroll up. Answer my question while you at it

What's the matter, Shar? don't like my answer?

Well, Shar? any answers?

Why no college, passport, secret service records?

Who cares?

it has no bearing on his elegibility to serve. You might want to see them for your own purposes, but that has nothing to do with his eligibility to serve as POTUS.

I never claimed to be an expert on Obama's past. What I have been pointing out is that you made false statements about the COLB (like “A COLB … does not mean that the baby was BORN in Honolulu”), and you haven't had the decency to admit it.

I never claimed to be an expert on Obama's past. What I have been pointing out is that you made false statements about the COLB (like “A COLB … does not mean that the baby was BORN in Honolulu”), and you haven't had the decency to admit it.

“Answer the following. Why does the COLB state that he was born in Honolulu if he wasn't?”

Without the full certificate we don't know, so using that as a means to prove his birth in Honolulu means nothing.
Answer me this: what US government agency has the authority and responsibility to certify the potential POTUS, and where is that agencies certified statement?
FYI: Daily Kos (first place Obama released the BC too), Factcheck.org, Snopes, and local hospital adminstrative staff are not a US government agency.

HUH? It's a legal document and it says he was born in Honolulu. It's prima facie evidence — which means it has to be countered by evidence, not by simply asserting “we don't know.”

Gentlemen, the real issue is the natural born citizen clause in the Constitution. The Framers, wisely, wanted to ensure that no one born with any allegiance to a foreign nation was able to occupy the Office of President. To this end, the natural born citizen clause was added to the Constitution. They intended that the only persons born of one or more British citizens that were eligilble to be President were those who were alive at the time the Constitution was ratified. Clearly Obama cannot be President as his father was a British citizen. Matters not where he was born.
However, regarding the BC issue, Obama claims, in one of his memoirs, to have found his original BC in the pages of a family book. Why did he go to the trouble of obtaining a copy of a lesser document, the COLB, when he could have posted a copy of the original BC to settle the eligibility issue? The obvious answer is that he has something to hide. Do you wonder what that might be?
Most important, though, is what I say in the first paragraph above. The BC issue is just an interesting corollary issue.

Huh, nothing.It is a simple question. What US government agency certified Obama? Where is that statement of certification? If Obama was born out of country as suggested by Kenyan family members, and registered as a live birth after the fact the COLB may well only show where he was registered, not where he was born which is indeterminate by the COLB alone. If Obama enrolled in college as a foreign student seeking foreign aid then it would stand to reason he either felt he was foreign born or abused the system to get aid when he was not eligible. All of this leads to his character since he has now admitted having dual citizenships when he first denied it.

When asked which hospital he was born in you seem to say 'it doesn't matter' where 'we don't know' doesn't. Besides being unreasonable to deny releasing the full certificate to the public to end the debate no one can seem to identify who/what agency has the responsibility and liability of certifying the natural born status of a POTUS.

No, they didn't. They are prohibited by law (HIPAA) from releasing any personal information and only certified they have a certificate- nothing more.

Pure speculation on your part, as well as anybody else's, because Obama made sure he and Michelle bowed out of law practice before the reason could be made public. It's all opinion here, no facts since everything is sealed up tight.

Only questions, that's all there is in this blog. You have no more answers than anybody else. I just want to ask questions and get some answers from Obama. I want him to give me some of that hope he peddles, but seems to be running low on presently.

I really do not have another comment for you on this, e, but I just wanted to see how narrow this column will be…

I only have questions, lots of questions, and you and Obama will not answer even the most simple of them…

Nobody knows what lies behind this curtain of deceit. LOL

The COLB clearly lists Honolulu as “City, State or Location of Birth.” If you are claiming that, despite what the official document says, it *means* something else, the burden is entirely on you to show it.

You can have whatever doubts about his character that you like, but to counter a piece of prima facie evidence you need evidence of your own, and not just rumors.

I don't doubt that you have questions. What you *don't* have are the facts you pretend to have.

I for one would take your questions a lot more seriously if you didn't spout false statements without regard to their falsity.

Not true. They issued an official document that says that he was born in Honolulu. The document is certified, which means that the State of Hawaii takes responsibility for its accuracy.

Raving, lunatic, barking mad, frothing and foaming, dead enders…
And, everyone apparently now a certified (yeah) document expert. Birthers and Truthers: they walk among us.
DrStevens: “Clearly Obama cannot be President as his father was a British citizen.”
Umm, no, but something is quite clear. You haven’t the faintest clue of what you speak.

And your factual rebuttal is……?

Where in the Constitution does it bar anyone of British parent from being elected President?

I am stating my opinion on this blog, that's all. Asking questions too. I'm looking for facts of which you are not helping clear up any questions at all. It's doubtful you have any more answers than anybody else but Obama.

I don’t have the answers, e, I only have lots and lots of questions. Do you have any answers? What do you think of the U.S. Constitution?

shar — starting up here to open the columns! —

If you're serious about just stating your opinions, why don't you do that? You only turn people off by coming out swinging with false statements. Then when people ask you to back them up with facts, you back down and say you have no more facts than anyone else.

There's a big difference between opinions — like, “I don't trust Obama, I don't like him” — and statements like “You can get a COLB just like his even if you weren't born in Hawaii,” which is not an opinion, it's simply a false statement of purported fact.

If you're really just asking questions and stating opinions, why start off by pretending to know things you don't know and making assertions that aren't true?

What part of my explanation don't you understand. Inactive means just hat, inactive. neither of them are practicing law. Conspiracy paranoia is not a valid debate technique.

LOL LOL LOL LOL

As most people should know by now, you can have a valid Hawaiian certificate of live birth, either short or long form, and still be born outside of Hawaii or even the US (per Hawaii law 338-17.8). After all, there is even a space for registering foreign births on the form, a box “7C”. And the Hawaiian Health Department, as far as we have been able to determine, has never issued a statement about what is in box 7C of Obama's certificate of live birth. All that Fukino stated is that “Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.” Which to be honest, is somewhat vague and is not really the information that is being sought.

Below is the State of Hawaii's statute, which allows foreing born children to be registered in Hawaii.

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]

OK. And where does it say that someone who was born abroad will get a COLB stating that he was born In Honolulu?

Well give it your best guess. Do you think that it is reasonable that Obama's parents changed both is actual place of birth as well as the date of birth?

ALERT FELLOW CITIZENS of the Constitutional Republic and Representative Democracy under the rule of law. Censorship and cauterizing of electronic records continues by BH Obama and his brown shirts. We are now in the Marxist, socialist, fascist forth Reich. Just reported on the internet new Main Stream Media – Their Propaganda ministers are already altering history including on line reference data bases et al! Yes even though Obama occupying the POTUS position as a Usurper with many outstanding challenges remaining unresolved. The juice may be applied and the fix in but the wheels of justice may grind slowly but those wheels grind exceeding fine.
May God give us the wisdom and strength to save The United States of America.

Did you see this part: [L 1982, c 182, §1]?

That means that this statute was first enacted in 1982, How does this apply to Obama?

Oh, balderdash. We've seen nothing but a scanned copy of 'something'. It was evaluated by an 'expert' and found to be a PhotoShopped fake – probably using his sister's COLB. Even if it was his, however, and even if he was born in Honolulu, that doesn't answer at least half a dozen other valid issues. For instance:

1.) He went to live with his step-father in Indonesia where he went to school as an Indonesian citizen. Since Indonesia a.) didn't allow dual citizenship and, b.) required children attending school to be citizens, he has to have been adopted and naturalized which would have required giving up his U.S. citizenship & passport.

2.) How did he manage to go to Pakistan when he was 19 which was illegal at that time? Using his Indonesian passport (since he didn't have a U.S. passport?

3.) How did Barry get back into the country? Did he give up his Indonesian passport and become a naturalized citizen? No? Maybe that's why he still had his Indonesian passport? Maybe he's an illegal alien?

4.) Under what name did he attend Occidental College? Barry Soetoro? (see #3!)

5.) Barack's father was a Kenyan national and a British subject. That was clearly viewed as a no-no by our forefathers.

And finally, please explain to me why Barry has hired several high-powered law firms and spent upwards of a million tax-payer dollars trying to prevent us from seeing a $15 birth certificate and his public passport information.

You really like that term, don't you <bwg>? Show us an original, certified COLB and we'll at least have a valid starting point on which we can begin. In the mean time, you've got squat.

At that time, Hawaiian law allowed mom to give verbal testimony as to the birth of her child. He could have been born on Mars and still gotten the 'Honolulu' designation if she so choose.

Your question is nonsensical. No one has indicated that the original BC was altered – only that the insufficient COLB published on the Internet was faked.

*I've* got squat? LOL, I don't need anything! Obama's president, and no one with any sanity doubts his qualifications.

If you don't like it, come up with some evidence. *You've* got squat — I'm not looking to prove anything.

That's a lie on several fronts. Thanks for playing though.

Maybe because no one has ever seen it? Duh.

You are 100% wrong my friend. If he attended Occidental College as Barry Soetoro with an Indonesian passport, it makes a HUGE difference!

But a COLB is NOT. Sure would be nice if we got to SEE his birth certificate.

LOL, I've got it — the only thing you're certain of is that Obama's not qualified to be POTUS. The rest of the details … well, you'll just come up with them as you need them.

Do you really think that anyone is impressed with reasoning like that? Remember, you're the one who has to convince people..

Hang in there, Shar. Barry is a usurper and a traitor. We WILL get to the bottom of this and, as a false Commander in Chief, he may well be tried under the UCMJ sumarilly executed for his crimes against the nation.

Oooohh, tough guy! ROFL!!

As it happens, I remember some of your earlier predictions, and how they came true … NOT!

Could be one of two reasons. Most likely is that the COLB was forged. Less likely but certainly possible is because that’s what his mother told the clerk when she registered his birth. It’s also possible that the clerk simply made a mistake – happens all the time.

You may want to, but it is not necessary to see it to prove he was born in Honolulu. A COLB will do just fine for that purpose.

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