Chas Freeman’s Out

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Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 4:38 pm

Just released from Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair’s office:

Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair announced today that Ambassador Charles W. Freeman Jr. has requested that his selection to be Chairman of the National Intelligence Council not proceed. Director Blair accepted Ambassador Freeman’s decision with regret.

Pound of flesh: extracted.

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69 Comments

Gary
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 3:30 pm

Nice use of anti-semitic trope, ackerman!


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William Brown
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 3:50 pm

Ackerman:

I've not heard of you until this moment; but, your anti-Jew backside is well known.


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jim
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 4:53 pm

Good riddance to another Obama hack, already the most corrupt administration ever formed in US history


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Winston
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

I was strongly for Freeman's appointment, and am disgusted and dismayed by the opposition he generated and his withdrawal now. And his position on Israel was one I agreed with, precisely because I am FOR Israel's survival, which I believe is threatened by the settlements and other actions it has taken. So take this for what it is worth: Your Shylock reference is disgusting and cheap.


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David Sternlight
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

The issue was never Israel. It was that the person in charge of National Intelligence Estimates must be unbiased, not pro-Saudi, as Freeman was on the pubic record.


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al neuman
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Gee “Spencer”–didn't you get what you wanted for your Bar Mitzvah? Why do you find it necessary to make a gratuitous and shabby anti-Semitic comment, because many including Israel's supporters, opposed the appointment of someone who was simply a bigot.

Perhaps you are not comfortable in your own skin…


Craig James
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 7:45 pm

Winston, Israel's survival is not threatened by the settlements.

And what, may I ask, are the “other actions it has taken” that threaten its survival? Perhaps standing up for itself against illegal missile attacks (war crimes) against its civilian population? Or building a security fence to protect its citizens from homicide bombers (which, have you noticed, has done precisely that)?


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Winston
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 8:48 pm

Craig, if you can't see how the settlements threaten Israel's survival, I don't have the time or space to explain it to you. But a sizable portion of Israelis share my view. I will say this: The almost total lack of support Israel is getting for its efforts to keep Iran from getting the bomb is directly related to its continued occupation of the West Bank and its treatment of the people there. As for those “other actions,” I would include letting increasingly lawless settlers run riot in the West Bank; establishing an destructive embargo over Gaza that aims not only to restrict the import of arms – something that would be acceptable – but food, medicine, and other necessities in a vain attempt to cause Gazans to turn away from Hamas; excessive use of force in the Gaza conflict that seems to have achieved no significant military objective; continued treatment of Israeli Arabs as second class; endless, onerous, and humiliating checkbpoints and travel restrictions over West Bank Arabs living under occupation; and a general failure to work hard for peace. There's more, but you get the idea. I doubt you will be convinced. By the way, for the record, I have no problem with the security fence at all. But I do wonder whether decades of a different policy toward the West Bank might have made it unnecessary.


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Shylock
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 9:17 pm

You're trolling on your own blog.


Nancy
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 10:57 pm

This is American stupid politics. Good American with good experience are not accepted in any American Administration, either under Bush or Obama. You have to be a liar or a tax cheat in order to get to work for the Government or for the American people. What a waste of our talents. That is why American are losing the War with cheat and liar. You only need to bull-shit your way into the government job. Your experience don't count.


ANA
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 11:16 pm

SCREW YOU!!!!!!!!!!


annie
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 4:50 am

this news depresses me more than anything thus far since the inauguration. truly horrific implications. thanks for posting.


rbe1
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 6:19 am

Actually, the true requirement is that you unconditionally support Israel. The qualifications have nothing to do with taxes or cheating.


Gary Sugar
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 7:29 am

Pound of flesh? I don't even see the analogy. Pound of flesh implies inhumanly disproportionate punishment. While that is a reasonable analogy for Israel's frequent collective punishment of the Palestinians, I don't see any relevance to the campaign against Freeman's appointment. But the ethnic slur is so learned.


rittle
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 8:07 am

You belong to a long line of people who refuse to see Israel taking the necessary steps to protect themselves. The settlements are necessary for many reasons, none of which would appeal to you. The palestenians could have elected the less-violent PLO, but voted for hamas because they hoped hamas would destroy Israel. They also cheered when the twin towers fell. I have no sympathy for people who cheer non-islamic deaths. Lastly, you refer to Israel's occupation. In 1947 the UN voted a two state solution. Israel accepted, the arabs did not. Israel won the additonal land before an armistice. In 1967 when the arabs were getting ready to attack Israel again, Israel pre-mented the attack and struck first. The lands won in that war are what you are calling “occupied land”. So sorry, but land won against an aggressor belongs to the victor. And lastly, if you were a religious person, you could look in your bible and see that G-d gave Israel the land forever.


Sheldon Tyber
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 9:50 am

Ackerman — Pound of your grey matter: non-existent.


Sheldon Tyber
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 9:53 am

????

Screw William Brown?

A perfect example of why it is that blogs are rather limited in their usefulness.

Except as psychiatric diagnostic tools….


Hub
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

Query: How many people who enthusiastically supported this choice are also fans of Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911 and Bill Maher, et al., who incessantly claimed that the Bushes were shils for the Saudis? What would they (and you) have said if George W. Bush had appointed a paid Saudi hack to be the head of the NIC? The most troubling thing about Obama's supporters that has come to light since the election is how unprincipled they are (and apparently were under Bush). In fact, honesty demands that they ask themselves everyday: what would you have said if Bush said or did “X”. Even when Obama continues Bush policies that liberals denounced on the record as “shredding the constitution” or even “fascist” just shrug their shoulders when, that is, they're not praising his “genius.” If Obama's supporters would just ask that simple question the conclusion would be inescapable: Obama is either incompetent or malevolent. Freeman was shockingly incompetent for the job and this was a shockingly incompetent choice and Obama is very fortunate that he withdrew himself before the details of his past bumblings became more widely known.


Mary N.
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 1:55 pm

all that because he dared to speak of Israeli occupation, ages ago…
Wow, who controls our politics? It`s a shame!


Yacoub Ajlouni
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 1:58 pm

I didn't know that God is in the real state business . I read the bible, I understood that God chose
Israelite because they failed him in many occasions . Besides, if God chose the Israelite to be a good example to world, why are they killing, torturing, and humiliating other people.

Good christian


Hub
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 2:31 pm

No, not because he “dared” to speak of “Israeli occupation.” Everybody talks about Israel these days, including rational people and bigots. The man was nominated to be the head of the NIC and he was incredibly incompetent. And, yes, his anti-Israel obsessions (which caused him to make up lies about crucial matters relating to Middle East policy) and conflicts of interest were relevant considerations in whether he was an appropriate choice to head the NIC. The least you could do is to educate yourself on the man, issues, and what actually happened, instead of just parrotting anti-semitic slogans.


rittle
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 3:06 pm

You seem to be living in a dream world. Terror organization, including
hamas, have stated over and over again, its not about land, its about religion.
They will not allow Jews to have a Jewish state. Their koran tells them to kill
Jews and yes Christians also. Who has been firing rockets into Israel for
the last eight years. Dont Jews have a right to defend themselves.? God chose
the Jewish people to be a light to the world. Read some Jewish history, you
might learn something. Please do not respond to this email as I am not going
to get in a back & forth email with you. M. Leeds

In a message dated 3/11/2009 4:59:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
writes:

Yacoub Ajlouni (unregistered) wrote, in response to rittle:

I didn't know that God is in the real state business . I read the bible, I
understood that God chose

Israelite because they failed him in many occasions . Besides, if God chose
the Israelite to be a good example to world, why are they killing, torturing,
and humiliating other people.

Good christian

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john
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 3:55 pm

United States can not and should not fight Israel's wars. It is bad for U.S. It is bad for Israel. Truth be told, Israel is not a friend of the United States. Israelis steal U.S secrets and sell them to foreign governments and blackmale our country. U.S gives Israelis money in retrun, Israelis brand Americans as stupid. Speaking truth about Israel in the United States makes everyone an anti semite. It is perhaps time for the United States to wise up and treat Israel just as she treats other nations.


DE Teodoru
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 4:16 pm

As one acquainted with Amb. Chas Freeman, I can only feel relief that he is not back in government– not just yet. As a free citizen he has punched incredibly large holes in Israel’s fraud perpetrated on the American citizens it deems “dumb goyim.” And the most he did he did with facts and with sheer logic. He has been the father of MEANINGFUL DIALOGUE on Mideast issues, like a good physician relieving the pressure for outrage and retribution. From the point of view of American Jews, he pushes the Krystalhacht in America clock’s hands back further. Without Freemen free to speak his mind and encourage others to do so in his panels and journals, the pressure would greatly rise as people realize that, in contrast to America’s fully American Jewish mass, a few nominal Jews– like the ex-Leninist neocons, representing no one but the financial interests that pay them, of late Radical Zionism– are trying to dominate America. From the point of view of President Obama, having chosen as Chief of Staff an American who abrogated his US Citizenship by going to fight in the Israeli Army in the 1970s, losing Chas Freemen in a position of letting truth in to the President from within his own administration is a terrible loss. The Zionist run image of America is brought much larger into the public’s focus by the departure of Amb. Freeman, to the unfair peril of American Jews. But AIPAC, after all, works for Israel, takes its order from Israel and delivers stolen secret documents for Israel. Freeman’s withdrawal because of AIPAC perilously moves the minute hand on the Krystalnacht clock, a tragedy. Alas, the real issue is that a lot of Zionist activists see this as getting even with the “dumb goyim” Americans by imposing only pro-Israel choices on them. It is vital, they feel, to that personal “mensch-hood” maleness status of which they themselves feel deficient. So they go to extremes, foolishly believing that there’s no blowback to fear. All of us who fear anti-Semitism reborn here must deeply regret the pushing of Amb. Freeman out of government. But those of us who so value Amb. Freemen’s unsupressable brilliant analysis of Mideast Affairs this is a celebration of truth’s freedom to be heard in the public square. For he will richly provide for the millions seeking the truth past the insulting hasbara Israel chooses to dump on us “dumb goyim” a public bridge of facts over the BS. Welcome back to us all, Amb. Freeman. Working in Gov you would only be denied to us again.


Jack G.
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 5:12 pm

I agree with you whole- heartedly.
A bunch of people known as the UN (who are biased) divided a region known as Palestine, which left many homeless. They gave part, to those who came from Europe, where they had lived for decades. The bible says ‘ ‘ (Justice you shall pursue.) consequently you are right, we should not tarry but return the complete track of land to whoever was before us,.Let us further pursue the path of fairness, we must also return America to the Indians. The Falklands and Gibraltar to Argentine and Spain New Zealand to the Maoris Australia to the aboriginals…don’t let us forget the Kurds. The Scotch…and Welsh (cumbru am byss) Wales for ever…and rescind the division of the Middle East by Britain after WW I, and the Kurli Island, should be returned to Japan. …And the Land of Canaan conquered by an Egyptian now known as Moses…. the name shows clearly he was an Egyptian. (MOS means born of, or child of…in the hieroglyphic writing.)
You further state: “..ignoring the simple fact that we Jews are not alone in this country etc..”
My reply: There is not a spot on earth devoid of former inhabitants. You are inferring ( I assume) the so called “Palestinians’.
Be advised, there never was a Palestinian culture, language, government, or a coinage. The present day Palestinians are Arab people with an Arab culture, who have their own Arab states from where they came into Palestine. It is from the term Philistine that the name Palestine has been taken, also known as Aelia Capitolina the original people of this region were the Canaanites who intermarried with those who came out of Egypt.
The former PLO terrorist Walled Shoe bat said:
“Why is it that on June 4th 1967 I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian…The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem …etc

Further more: Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel. 3. Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the past 3,300 years. 4. Arabs have only had control of Israel twice – from 634 until the Crusader invasion in June 1099, and from 1292 until the year 1517 when they were dispelled by the Turks in their conquest. 5. For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital.

Now to the beef:
The Israeli/Palestinian dilemma is a side issue and irrelevant, in the Global power play. It is of substance only to a handful of people. The main player is Islam, and the propagation of its religion world wide, ending with the establishment of the Caliphate. This is nolens volens supported by the West’s addiction to oil. I dare say, the Muslims are on the right track, they have proven it in Europe, Ms. Ayaan Hitsi Ali can attest to it. The archbishop Tom Butler of Southwark, and The arch bishop of Canterbury have somewhat come to conclusion that the Sharia law might be acceptable ………It’s a giant step for Islam. They have achieved a lot in spreading out into the western world. If Israel would disappear tomorrow, Islam’s Drang nach Westen would have problems. Where would they find pronto a minority of people who fight among themselves and plead to be accepted? Besides the Arab street would have to channel hate/rage to someone else….Not easy, it takes patience and nurturing to instill new hatred.
…..In the mean time they spread out. It will take time, but Islam thinks in centuries, and they are willing to pay any price, even in blood. Their kids visit the exclusive Universities in the States while the poor suckers are fed with hatred in their madrassas (schools) and learn to shout “Lttbach al Yhood” (kill the Jews). Matter of fact the earliest biographers of Muhammad, Ibn Ishaq and Ibn Sa’d both zealous Muslims record his telling, his followers at a certain point : “Kill any Jew that falls in your power.” That was centuries before Israel. How come they abhorred us then? Did we “occupy” any territories?


Al Ramy
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 8:58 pm

The retired diplomat, consultant for rent is like any State department despachantes of the Wahabis. No job is too dirty to undertake. Jumping the Bin Ladens out of the USA after 911 or playing publisher to two famous antisemitic scholars, is just part of the job description. Indeed his support group in D.C represents the rainbow coalition of “Anti Zionists” base that flourished in the 30's, his departure will enhance their martyr status even more so. Meantime, they can get the data base ready to prepare for the transport for to remove the many unloyals (those with attachment to another country) to a convinient location.


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cbthrasher
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 10:49 pm

Joe Lieberman: Kapo de tutti Kapo.


D Lim
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 2:07 am

To the minds of many Muslims and non-Americans, the ferocious attack on Chas Freeman confirms that USA is controlled by Jews and Israel wrongly or rightly! I think the Palestinians and Iranians are goners. I am sure Israel would 'destroy' them all!


Emilio Cerra
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 5:35 am

I notice that no one on this thread is commenting on the other (equally deplorable) statements that Freeman made that also got him into well deserved trouble; That the Chinese government was wrong in not squashing the Tiannanmen Square protests earlier and in a more forceful way. So please explain to me what the all-powerful Jews had to do with that particular little gem of outrageous thinking?


Edo
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 5:42 am

Good hatchet job.


Edo
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 5:43 am

Emilio, he never said that about the Chinese. Read the original.


Edo
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 5:45 am

This post has nothing to do with the Freeman nomination.


Hub
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 7:01 am

Well Lim, what your post confirms is that anti-semitism has made a roaring comeback. Pelosi sunk his nomination because of his “realist” comments about China. Peolosi has her own “China lobby” in S.F. Israel won't destroy anybody (they could have many times in the past). You're projecting the arab muslim mindset onto Israelis. The arabs tried to destroy Isreael and would again if they could. Israel could have “destroyed” the Palestinians but has instead sought only to defend itself and seek peace. Here's the test to see if you're really just an anti-semite: (1) If you're so concerned about the Palestinians, why don't you care about the Palestinian muslims persecution of Palestinian christians? (2) If you're so concerned about the Israeli “occupation” and “genocide” of Palestinians, why aren't you equally, if not more concerned about the real Chinese occupation and genocide in Tibet? (3) Or about the 1,000 other crimes and atrocities committed by one people against another since 1947 that no one seems to care about, up to and including the arab militias in Sudan (which include Palestinian muslims) and their genocide in Darfur?


Hub
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 7:11 am

You mean Zionists like Nancy Pelosi who had a problem with his “realist” approach to human rights in China? You mean the opposition of radical ex-Leninist neo-cons (huh?) like Chuck Schumer? Anti-semitism has its basis, first and foremost, in the willful rejection of truth, and your post is a fine specimen of the genre. If Freeman had decided to stick it out the New York Times could no longer have ignored the story and Obama's reputation for fair-mindedness and pragmatism would have taken a major blow. It was liberal democrats who sunk Freeman and saved the Obama administration a blow to its claims to competence in foreign policy and evenhandedness in Middle East policy from which it would have never recovered. If he had their support he never would have withdrawn.


Hub
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 7:28 am

Speaking lies about Israel and America's foreign policy towards the Middle East and parrotting anti-semitic slogans does bring your motivation and prejudices into question. I don't know why you have a hard time accepting that. America has never fought a war for Israel and so that is lie #1. Since America extended security guarantees to Israel in the wake of the 1974 “Yom Kippur” war there has not been a war between Israel and its neighboring arab states, i.e., in 35 years. So US foreign policy in the region has been in our interest and has been successful. Yes, the arabs have waged a covert proxy guerilla war using the Palestinians as their pawns, but overall the result of US foreign policy toward the Middle East has been successful, unless you're a warmonger. One dead giveaway of anti-semitism is when people who are for “peace” everywhere else in the world are warmongers when it comes to the arab-Israeli conflict, where the only issue is Israel's right to exist. The US gives as much if not more money to Egypt to maintain that peace and has just pledged $1 billion to the Palestinians in Gaza. Anti-semites will always rationalize their bigotry as being the fault of the jews. Before Israel it was because the jews were alien and could never be true citizens of any country. Now it's because they have their own country and insist on being like everyone else, including defending themselves when they're attacked. Israelis don't brand Americans as stupid and so that's lie #2. Israel's government, like every other government, has an intelligence service that seeks to learn about the intentions and capabilities of its friends and enemies. Only an anti-semite would accuse Israel alone of doing so, and so that's lie #3.


Hub
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 7:30 am

You're not a very good christian and you haven't read the bible. Cut out the B.S.


Hub
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 7:35 am

Obviously Obama's head of national intelligence who selected and nominated Freeman is not an unconditional supporter of Israel so that's just another anti-semitic lie. C'mon, can't you people see how prejudice and bigotry is distorting your ability to perceive reality and think logically?


GDE
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 7:45 am

Your lack of historical knowledge is staggering.


Hub
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 8:37 am

I read the original and it was a deplorable example of toadying to tyrants posing as “realism.” I don't see how a person could be so upset about Israel's response to the so-called intifada and see no problem whatsoever with China's far more violent treatment of unarmed, peaceful demonstrators merely protesting the denial of basic democratic freedoms which Israel's arab citizens have enjoyed since 1948. If that's not anti-semitism, what is it? And Nancy Pelosi does not agree with your assessment either. By the way, why don't the anti-semites have a problem with Pelosi's “Chinese” lobby?


danielharmon
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 9:35 am

It is a disgrace that Mr. Freeman was forced out, no wonder the world thinks we are controled by Israel, we have not had a voice in the middle on Israel since Jimmy Carter, Shame on Obama, Libermann, Schumer!!! I had hope for this country on obamas election, now with this bowing to aipac and the ear marks, Obama looks like Bush to me!! What a disgrace! daniel harmon ny


Hub
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 10:19 am

Collective punshment would require indiscriminate casualties. The reality, according to all observers, was that the Israelis were extremely precise and accurate in their targeting of Hamas operatives and assets in Gaza. So your analogy fails the basic test of truth. The ability of the Israelis to isolate Hamas targets would have been impossible without on-the-ground intelligence, probably provided by Palestinians in Gaza who do not support Hamas. Not so with Hamas, which took advantage of the Israeli attack to settle old scores with the PLO, torturing and murdering many PLO operatives in Gaza as “collaborators.” If you're so sympathetic to the Palestinians, why doesn't the constant murder without due process or trial of thousands of Palestinians by the PLO and Hamas as “collaborators” bother you? Why doesn't the mass exodus of Palestinian christians from Palestinain muslim persecution bother you? How many Palestinian states would be needed before these people could finally live in peace? Are they even interested in living in peace, or is that just a projection of a western, judeo-christian mindset onto a tribal, Islamic culture that doesn't share its basic assumptions? Maybe they're afraid that if they stop murdering “collaborators” we might see the emergence of a Palestinian peace movement. These are the incovenient truths that people aren't talking about. The day that the toxic anti-semitic drivel that now pervades the blogosphere jumps the tracks and enters the mainstream will be the beginning of the end for our country and probably for freedom in the world. We should be as vigilant against it in all its guises, wherever and however it hides, as we are against other forms of racism.


Hub
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 10:57 am

Winston, a sizeable number of Israelis support your view and an even greater number don't. It's an issue on which reasonable people can disagree in good faith and one the Israeli electorate must decide. They understand the consequences better than you or I. I don't feel that I, from the comfort of my home in the US, can decide for them how they handle the existential risks they face. Though I retain my right to criticize their decisions, I do not preach. I do not think you are being realistic, however, when you assume that there is any tangible concession Israel can make to the “Palestinians” (i.e., to those who have the power to claim they represent them) on settlements or anything else for that matter that would make a difference short of Israel “going out of business.” There are many pretexts cited for the conflict, and these have changed over time. What has not changed is the utter rejection by muslim arabs, since the 1920s, of the very idea of jews living in their midst as anything but a subjugated dhimmi population. When I visited Israel 4 years ago I made it a point to see these “settlements,” firsthand, both Israeli and Palestinian (yes, there are Palestinian settlements too that no one talks about), and cannot see how they could be the source of conflict except from the perspective of arab muslim “honor” and a negative-sum mindset. Like Gaza, abandoning the settlements would just give the terrorists more good locations from which to launch rockets. In my opinion, it's a red herring.


H.
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 11:56 am

Let’s not fool ourselves. Bla Blas doesn’t change the fact. The guy criticized Israel and he is gone. It is easy to see how Zionist lobby control the media. Very easy. Unless you decide to see it.


Steve
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 12:04 pm

Good – someone who is biased should not be in a politically sensitive position.
It really is funny how 12million Jews run the world – when there are 1billion Muslims who have three times the wealth.
Typical Muslims & supporters who always blame everyone else for their problems.
Why not have free thinking – proactive – democratic governments who support equal rights for everyone?


Hub
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 1:04 pm

I take it by “Bla Blas” you mean facts and logical argumentation, to which you are apparently indifferent. I would say that it wasn't so much his criticism of Israel but the way he criticized Israel (i.e., like an anti-semitic nut job) that caused his problems for those who were concerned about his objectivity with respect to Middle East intelligence. After all, there are many, many harsh critics of Israel in the media–they have been very busy these last few days–and his nomination was sunk by liberal Democrats and the very liberal media, which was finding it increasingly difficult to continue to bury the Freeman story in order to protect Obama. If the American public had gotten a full airing in a confirmation hearing of Freeman's nuttiness over the years, to say nothing of his connections with (and service to) the House of Saud (which is poison to Michael Moore left), it would have been a crushing embarassment to Obama who is especially vulnerable now. Don't worry, Blair will appoint someone equally anti-Israel, albeit someone with a lower profile and paper trail.


Hub
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

The “world” thinks we are controlled by Israel because of the resurgence of anti-semitism, especially Islamic anti-semitism, which is heavily promoted by Freeman's Saudi friends by the way. Anti-semites have been preaching the worldwide jewish conspiracy to the gullible since the Middle Ages. We in the US should be seeking to educate the rest of the world about liberal values such as religious tolerance, individualism, and the primacy of facts and evidence in determining truth, rather than intolerance, tribalism and collectivism, and prejudice and superstition. Instead too many Americans seem to be jumping on the bandwagon to barbarism because they're too lazy to learn the truth.


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Comment posted March 13, 2009 @ 2:36 pm

Freeman was not, as far as I can see, an Obama hack. The pick was made by Blair, and he may have been given the discretion to make that pick without consulting Obama first. We don't know. It would be interesting to hear Obama state “on the record” whether he agrees with Freeman's advise to the Chinese regarding how oppressive socialist tyrannies should deal with peaceful pro-freedom and pro-democracy protesters. It would also have been interesting to hear whether Obama agreed with some of Freeman's past statements on the Middle East. As to the “most corrupt administration ever,” I think you're getting a little carried away. It's still pretty early, though he does seem to be off to an embarassingly fast start.


gaby papanikolaou
Comment posted March 14, 2009 @ 11:21 am

I agree completely.
Now Mr. Freeman is a f r e e man again, for everybody in this kind of position is threatened and can not act freely


gaby papanikolaou
Comment posted March 14, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

I agree completely.
Now Mr. Freeman is a f r e e man again, for everybody in this kind of position is threatened and can not act freely


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[...] Obviously, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt are rabid, hateful paranoids — total bigots and anti-Semites — for having suggested that there are powerful domestic political forces in the U.S. which enforce Israel-centric orthodoxies and make it politically impossible to question America’s blind loyalty to Israel.  What irrational lunacy on their part: [...]


231741
Comment posted September 7, 2011 @ 12:45 pm

231741 beers on the wall. sck was here


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