Lou Dobbs Makes Case for Comprehensive Immigration Reform

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Tuesday, March 10, 2009 at 12:12 pm

There may be nothing more disturbing than accidentally running into a broadcast of Lou Dobbs Tonight on CNN. But there I was at the gym last night, captive to Dobbs ranting about the 300,000 illegal aliens who were supposedly going to be stealing American jobs. (I wrote earlier about the faulty assumptions and outdated statistics that story relied on.)

Still, it got me wondering about what the economic impact really is of illegal immigration, and what the impact might be if advocates of comprehensive immigration reform got the path to legalization they’ve been advocating.

Among the helpful points in this thorough examination of the subject from The American Prospect is that the Internal Revenue Service estimates that undocumented immigrants contributed nearly $50 billion in federal taxes between 1996 and 2003.

The author’s main point, though, is that providing undocumented workers a path to legalization would ultimately have the effect of raising wages for everyone — it’s far harder to under-pay and otherwise exploit legal workers.

Perhaps most importantly, legal, tax-paying hard-working immigrants drive up demands for homes, cars, goods and services — and ultimately, that’s what we desperately need right now. The destitution or deportation of 11 million people within our borders, leading to more foreclosures and business failures, isn’t going to help anyone.

The claims by Dobbs and others,  such as Fredrick County, Md. Sheriff Charles Jenkins, who claimed at a congressional hearing last week that the rise in crime in many communities “can be tied directly to the unchecked flow of illegal immigrants through our southern borders with Mexico,” is equally unfounded. But for those who share those fears, Michele Waslin, a senior policy analyst at the Immigration Policy Center, makes this strong case for immigration reform:

If there were a legalization program and everyone who was undocumented who learned English, paid back taxes, and did everything else they’re required to do, they’d be taken off the table. Instead of 12 million undocumented immigrants, the only people not legalized would be those where there’s some question mark. By removing the population of people just here legitimately to work and raise their families, you can narrow the focus of immigration enforcement. Then enforcement can really focus on the actual violent criminals.

Take that, Lou Dobbs.

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Native American
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 10:27 am

Undocumented immigrants paying more taxes than you think!!

Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to illegal immigrants.

The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.

Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.

In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.

The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.

Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.

But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.

According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.

No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.

Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.

The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.

The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.

To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.

Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.

With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.


Native American
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 10:28 am

Daniel Griswold: Immigration law should reflect our dynamic labor market

Daniel Griswold is director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the Cato Institute in Washington. His writings on immigration can be found at http://www.freetrade.org; e-mail him at dgriswold@cato.org.

Among its many virtues, America is a nation where laws are generally reasonable, respected and impartially enforced. A glaring exception is immigration.

Today an estimated 12 million people live in the U.S. without authorization, 1.6 million in Texas alone, and that number grows every year. Many Americans understandably want the rule of law restored to a system where law-breaking has become the norm.

The fundamental choice before us is whether we redouble our efforts to enforce existing immigration law, whatever the cost, or whether we change the law to match the reality of a dynamic society and labor market.

Low-skilled immigrants cross the Mexican border illegally or overstay their visas for a simple reason: There are jobs waiting here for them to fill, especially in Texas and other, faster growing states. Each year our economy creates hundreds of thousands of net new jobs – in such sectors as retail, cleaning, food preparation, construction and tourism – that require only short-term, on-the-job training.

At the same time, the supply of Americans who have traditionally filled many of those jobs – those without a high school diploma – continues to shrink. Their numbers have declined by 4.6 million in the past decade, as the typical American worker becomes older and better educated.

Yet our system offers no legal channel for anywhere near a sufficient number of peaceful, hardworking immigrants to legally enter the United States even temporarily to fill this growing gap. The predictable result is illegal immigration

In response, we can spend billions more to beef up border patrols. We can erect hundreds of miles of ugly fence slicing through private property along the Rio Grande. We can raid more discount stores and chicken-processing plants from coast to coast. We can require all Americans to carry a national ID card and seek approval from a government computer before starting a new job.

Or we can change our immigration law to more closely conform to how millions of normal people actually live.

Crossing an international border to support your family and pursue dreams of a better life is not an inherently criminal act like rape or robbery. If it were, then most of us descend from criminals. As the people of Texas know well, the large majority of illegal immigrants are not bad people. They are people who value family, faith and hard work trying to live within a bad system.

When large numbers of otherwise decent people routinely violate a law, the law itself is probably the problem. To argue that illegal immigration is bad merely because it is illegal avoids the threshold question of whether we should prohibit this kind of immigration in the first place.

We've faced this choice on immigration before. In the early 1950s, federal agents were making a million arrests a year along the Mexican border. In response, Congress ramped up enforcement, but it also dramatically increased the number of visas available through the Bracero guest worker program. As a result, apprehensions at the border dropped 95 percent. By changing the law, we transformed an illegal inflow of workers into a legal flow.

For those workers already in the United States illegally, we can avoid “amnesty” and still offer a pathway out of the underground economy. Newly legalized workers can be assessed fines and back taxes and serve probation befitting the misdemeanor they've committed. They can be required to take their place at the back of the line should they eventually apply for permanent residency.

The fatal flaw of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act was not that it offered legal status to workers already here but that it made no provision for future workers to enter legally.

Immigration is not the only area of American life where a misguided law has collided with reality. In the 1920s and '30s, Prohibition turned millions of otherwise law-abiding Americans into lawbreakers and spawned an underworld of moon-shining, boot-legging and related criminal activity. (Sound familiar?) We eventually made the right choice to tax and regulate alcohol rather than prohibit it.

In the 19th century, America's frontier was settled largely by illegal squatters. In his influential book on property rights, The Mystery of Capital, economist Hernando de Soto describes how these so-called extralegals began to farm, mine and otherwise improve land to which they did not have strict legal title. After failed attempts by the authorities to destroy their cabins and evict them, federal and state officials finally recognized reality, changed the laws, declared amnesty and issued legal documents conferring title to the land the settlers had improved.

As Mr. de Soto wisely concluded: “The law must be compatible with how people actually arrange their lives.” That must be a guiding principle when Congress returns to the important task of fixing our immigration laws.

Daniel Griswold is director of the Center for Trade Policy Studies at the Cato Institute in Washington. His writings on immigration can be found at http://www.freetrade.org; e-mail him at dgriswold@cato.org.


John
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 10:43 am

You are the one that is misinformed..Get up to date on your facts…


Josh
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 12:33 pm

Thank you. You post makes a very intelligent point. If the government wants to stimulate the economy they should pass this immigration reform. You said a lot in very few words. Thank you


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

Oddly enough, Daphne Eviatar used to offer semi-straight news stories. They were biased, but not editorials like this one.

As for CIR raising wages, she should put on the Washington Independent thinking cap, or see if Soros will buy one for them. CIR will give huge amount of additional power to those persons, groups, and governments that currently oppose almost any form of enforcement. They'll use that additional power to fight against enforcement (including that mandated by CIR) and to push for yet another amnesty. That future amnesty will be because of additional illegal immigration caused by the lack of enforcement.

More here, including archives about CIR going back a few years.


Ivan
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 2:11 pm

Why hasn't Obama moved on a comprehensive immigration reform? Economic crisis or not, this bill must be completed, voted, and signed into law by the end of this year. Millions of hard-working immigrants deserve a chance at becoming American citizens and being treated with dignity and respect. Mistakes of nature such as Dobbs, Senator Sessions of Alabama, Limbaugh, etc. should be the ones getting deported(back in time to Nazi Germany)…


Plain Truth
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 5:59 pm

Bunk! Our present policy in immigration, called “family reunification” allows 17 “family” members of each legalized immigrant to move to the US. Once the twenty million illegal aliens who are already here were legalized (don't believe the official undercount of 12 million) there would be some sweeping immediate results. 1. Family members would start planning their eventual move to the US. 2. It would become, for all practical purposes, impossible to distinguish newly arrived illegal aliens from amnestied illegals. Could you tell the difference when many amnestied persons would still speak only Spanish? 3. We would not be able to change the family reunification policy since the political demography would be irretrievably changed. We already have Hispanic US Congressmen who do specifically focus on and advocate for Hispanic issues..

As far as your other arguments: The inflated demand for homes—driven up by cheap construction labor and easy loans to illegal immigrants—created the housing bubble and inflationary spiral that has now been shown to be a house of cards. Our “enforcement” is already overtaxed with the explosion of drug trafficking rings and marriage and visa fraud rings entrenched within these communities. These are excessively costly to local law enforcement and have been getting progressively worse over the years. That is why there is widespread violence now in Mexico and the real possibility of governmental failure. With our family reunification policies and Chain migration this problem would undoubtedly grow–as long as the supply of contraband is available. Also, With the potential of many new migrants a never ending supply of cheap labor would be available and wages would be held in check. Communities that experience rapid new growth would be faced with painful decision related to infrastructure planning. If you have ever participated in a lengthy, involved planning issue you will know what I am referring to. Academics who favor lifting immigration restrictions also say the US will have a population of 500 million by 2050 and one billion by 2100. This will create a tsunami of critical planning decisions and public expense.

Lou Dobbs may not have the most gentle demeanor but he reveals a lot of profound truths. There is a difference between living with the practical effect of immigration policies and analyzing them in a dry, academic atmosphere. Just ask people who live on the border.


AztlanBuster
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 6:49 pm

Deporting the parasites would ultimately have the effect of raising wages for everyone as well. The bonus by deporting the leeches is that we might have a chance of regaining control of our hospitals and schools, too…. as well as not having to put up with the crime that those cultural failures have brought with them.


madoff
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 7:53 pm

i do not think that the bad economic situation was caused by illegal immigrants , starting first with ENRON, than the mortgage crisis that was caused by the greed of lenders and wall sreet big cons and lately the going out of business of banks and trage corporatesso this mix of “scams “was not caused by mexicans or any other foreigners but by us sitizens who were born here us MADOF and so , … for those who blame all this on illegals please stop watching the one sided news and try to understand clearly what's going on around you cause for 99% of americans they take what they see on MORDOCH type of media for grant


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SteveV
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 9:14 pm

This editorial is nonsense.

The hard facts are that illegal aliens consume much more than what they pay in taxes. In California alone the net cost to taxpayers for just the incarceration, education and health care costs of illegal aliens is over $9 billion annually.

And giving amnesty to largely unskilled illegal aliens will not suddenly make them wealthier. In fact they will be more of a burden to taxpayers as they will be entitled to more taxpayer-subsidized benefits as well as affirmative action.

And of course, legalizing millions of illegal foreign workers will flood the job market with more workers, lowering the wages of America's more vulnerable workers. The line that the open-borders lobby is now spouting that amnesty will help all workers is absurd.

Finally CIR “comprehensive immigration reform” a/k/a “path to citizenship” a/k/a AMNESTY does not work as the 1986 IRCA proved. The way to resolve what to do with the 12-20 million illegals who are here is to consistently enforce our existing immigration laws which will drive the majority of illegal aliens to their home countries over time, without the need for mass deportations.


StokeyBob
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 9:18 pm

We never had a problem getting honest people to come in and work when we really needed them. Sacrificing the nation so some snobs can have their illegal labor is out of the question!

We may have to kiss the keisters of the illegal invaders, it is still a felony to aid and abet them.

If some honest men and women in law enforcement, would go after the lowlifes in the government, business and the general population that have been aiding and abetting them, by the time they had enough of a handle on the job to raise their heads and look around, I don’t think many illegal aliens would still be left.

We don’t need any new laws to do this either. Just some honest men and women that take their oaths of office seriously!

Finding them is the first step!


immigranti
Comment posted March 10, 2009 @ 11:30 pm

hii im a dishwasher and i dont think so that i have still a job of american people i start this job long time a go i never went at hospitals i all the times i pay the takses with taks id so why i shouldnt have papers thank you


k
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 4:52 am

I was wondering if any of the people against CIR have thought about the actual people. My husband and I are in the process of attaining his residency. The process has been very costly and long. My family has been separated for 1/2 a year now and the wait is another year and 1/2. My children are without a father. I am a public school teacher and I am a law abiding citizen. Why, then does my family have to be unnecessarily separated for this long. CIR is necessary for families!


LYNN
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 5:13 am

illegal means illegal , no pork, means no pork, no lobbyist, means no lobbyist, or at least no used to mean NO , but the obama interpertation of the word no must have been spelled KNOW!!!!!!!


"Armando" (mi vida)
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 6:41 am

What about somebody that know the language(70%) was denied asylum because no proven facts(I didn't have time to ask the terrorist for a signed letter to bring to the judge( who also took her time 4 years) and I end up with 10 years (children and wife included 5,8,11years old) of my life wasted as the money.
I have paid taxes since my very first year, (I'm 50 now) bought 2 cars and a house, perfect credit, bible studies………….regular good citizen. Don't you think it should be a way to “select” or “screen” the so called “illegal job stealers”.
By the way, There IS NO HELP for the illegal students, or sikc parents (I'm still paying my wife tummor removal) I WAS!!! paying 550 a month for tuition for my daughter's
3erd year or nursing. Her dream is broken as the immigration sistem.

I do apologize, I can't sign


Pete Murphy
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 6:57 am

Rampant population growth threatens our economy and quality of life. Immigration, both legal and illegal, are fueling this growth.

I'm not talking just about the obvious problems that we see in the news – growing dependence on foreign oil, carbon emissions, soaring commodity prices, environmental degradation, etc. I'm talking about the effect upon rising unemployment and poverty in America.

I should introduce myself. I am the author of a book titled “Five Short Blasts: A New Economic Theory Exposes The Fatal Flaw in Globalization and Its Consequences for America.” To make a long story short, my theory is that, as population density rises beyond some optimum level, per capita consumption of products begins to decline out of the need to conserve space. People who live in crowded conditions simply don’t have enough space to use and store many products. This declining per capita consumption, in the face of rising productivity (per capita output, which always rises), inevitably yields rising unemployment and poverty.

This theory has huge implications for U.S. policy toward population management, especially immigration policy. Our policies of encouraging high rates of immigration are rooted in the belief of economists that population growth is a good thing, fueling economic growth. Through most of human history, the interests of the common good and business (corporations) were both well-served by continuing population growth. For the common good, we needed more workers to man our factories, producing the goods needed for a high standard of living. This population growth translated into sales volume growth for corporations. Both were happy.

But, once an optimum population density is breached, their interests diverge. It is in the best interest of the common good to stabilize the population, avoiding an erosion of our quality of life through high unemployment and poverty. However, it is still in the interest of corporations to fuel population growth because, even though per capita consumption goes into decline, total consumption still increases. We now find ourselves in the position of having corporations and economists influencing public policy in a direction that is not in the best interest of the common good.

The U.N. ranks the U.S. with eight third world countries – India, Pakistan, Nigeria, Democratic Republic of Congo, Bangladesh, Uganda, Ethiopia and China – as accounting for fully half of the world’s population growth by 2050. It's absolutely imperative that our population be stabilized, and that's impossible without dramatically reining in immigration, both legal and illegal.

If you’re interested in learning more about this important new economic theory, I invite you to visit my web site at OpenWindowPublishingCo.com where you can read the preface, join in my blog discussion and, of course, purchase the book if you like. (It's also available at Amazon.com.)

Please forgive the somewhat spammish nature of the previous paragraph. I just don't know how else to inject this new perspective into the immigration debate without drawing attention to the book that explains the theory.

Pete Murphy
Author, “Five Short Blasts”


Nina Mold
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 7:02 am

How about a path to citizenship for those who are here legally and are DOCUMENTED? 50,000 U.S. citizens are employed by foreign investors in Florida alone (my state). Most of those employees are E2 investors from Europe and Asia. We have no path to permanent residence, and the government is going to give amnesty to illegals? What about those of us who played by the rules?


Norski
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 7:15 am

In the February 2009 Federal USBLS Unemployment Report, two categories of unemployment are reported. The first is the one publicized on the news. It is 8.1% or 12.5 million people unemployed. The second is rarely reported and includes those the government designates as “Not in Labor Force: Persons Who Currently Want a Job”. This group currently totals 5.6 million. Including ALL Americans looking for work we have 18.1 million out of work USA Citizens and Legal Residents. Per the most recent reports from the Pew Center and the Social Security Administration it is estimated that about 7.2 million jobs are currently held by Illegal Immigrants who have no legal standing to hold those jobs. For every working Illegal Immigrant we have over two unemployed Citizens and Legal Residents. And if one reviews the historical unemployment figures in both categories and compares them to the figures published by the Pew Center estimating Illegal Immigrants in the USA and what percentage of them work, one finds that there never was a time when we would have had a national shortage of workers if Illegal Immigrants had stopped coming to the USA after the Amnesty of 1986.

We pay two people to do one job. The Illegal Immigrant works and forces us to pay Unemployment and Welfare to the USA Citizen that the Illegal Immigrant caused to be unemployed. Per USA Government Statistics unemployment pays the equivalent of $7.00 to $13.00 per hour depending on State ($14,000 and $26,000 per year). Add in an average of about $2,700 welfare payments (per government statistics), multiply by 7.2 million, then assume that only two thirds of the unemployed actually get this and the net cost is $100 billion per year. And the amount of money working Illegal Immigrants contribute to Social Security and Tax collections was estimated by a recent study at a mere $9 billion. Net cost to the taxpayer is over $90 billion.

Per a recent study by Economist George Borjas of Harvard, Illegal Immigrants had depressed wages by 8% in the unskilled and craft labor market – construction, material handling, farm labor, food processing, cleaning, etc. before the start of the current recession. Per the Pew Center, Illegal Immigrants make up less than 20% of the workforce across all these professions. Therefore we have about 29 million Americans ((7.2 million/20%)-7.2 million) who had seen their wages fall by 8% or about $2000+ per year assuming their wages average $25,000 per year. This amounts to a $58 billion loss in spending power for our lowest paid hard working fellow Citizens. And since the number of working Illegal Immigrants had been on the rise up to the start of the current recession this represented a continuing net decrease in overall disposable income and thus economically was a force driving toward recession.

Just looking at the costs of unemployment and wage depression that Illegal Immigrants have caused in the USA shows that Illegal Immigrants have cost Americans a net $150 billion per year. When it comes to the economy too many people think that bigger is always better. But in this situation bigger has resulted in a decline in average GDP per person, so in fact, bigger is worse, not better. It is the quality of the economy that counts, not the size. Canada has a smaller economy than Mexico but who is better off? Canada is because of its higher average GDP per person.


Norski
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 7:18 am

In the February 2009 Federal USBLS Unemployment Report, two categories of unemployment are reported. The first is the one publicized on the news. It is 8.1% or 12.5 million people unemployed. The second is rarely reported and includes those the government designates as “Not in Labor Force: Persons Who Currently Want a Job”. This group currently totals 5.6 million. Including ALL Americans looking for work we have 18.1 million out of work USA Citizens and Legal Residents. Per the most recent reports from the Pew Center and the Social Security Administration it is estimated that about 7.2 million jobs are currently held by Illegal Immigrants who have no legal standing to hold those jobs. For every working Illegal Immigrant we have over two unemployed Citizens and Legal Residents. And if one reviews the historical unemployment figures in both categories and compares them to the figures published by the Pew Center estimating Illegal Immigrants in the USA and what percentage of them work, one finds that there never was a time when we would have had a national shortage of workers if Illegal Immigrants had stopped coming to the USA after the Amnesty of 1986.

We pay two people to do one job. The Illegal Immigrant works and forces us to pay Unemployment and Welfare to the USA Citizen that the Illegal Immigrant caused to be unemployed. Per USA Government Statistics unemployment pays the equivalent of $7.00 to $13.00 per hour depending on State ($14,000 and $26,000 per year). Add in an average of about $2,700 welfare payments (per government statistics), multiply by 7.2 million, then assume that only two thirds of the unemployed actually get this and the net cost is $100 billion per year. And the amount of money working Illegal Immigrants contribute to Social Security and Tax collections was estimated by a recent study at a mere $9 billion. Net cost to the taxpayer is over $90 billion.

Per a recent study by Economist George Borjas of Harvard, Illegal Immigrants had depressed wages by 8% in the unskilled and craft labor market – construction, material handling, farm labor, food processing, cleaning, etc. before the start of the current recession. Per the Pew Center, Illegal Immigrants make up less than 20% of the workforce across all these professions. Therefore we have about 29 million Americans ((7.2 million/20%)-7.2 million) who had seen their wages fall by 8% or about $2000+ per year assuming their wages average $25,000 per year. This amounts to a $58 billion loss in spending power for our lowest paid hard working fellow Citizens. And since the number of working Illegal Immigrants had been on the rise up to the start of the current recession this represented a continuing net decrease in overall disposable income and thus economically was a force driving toward recession.

Just looking at the costs of unemployment and wage depression that Illegal Immigrants have caused in the USA shows that Illegal Immigrants have cost Americans a net $150 billion per year. When it comes to the economy too many people think that bigger is always better. But in this situation bigger has resulted in a decline in average GDP per person, so in fact, bigger is worse, not better. It is the quality of the economy that counts, not the size. Canada has a smaller economy than Mexico but who is better off? Canada is because of its higher average GDP per person.


Norski
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 7:53 am

The author of this article gives us rendition of the populist myth that centers in the micro economics of Illegal Immigrants already here in the United States. As a result, the big picture is completely missed. Supporting Illegal Immigration and keeping US Borders porous allows the economic enslavement of most of the Western Hemisphere. And legalization does not change this. Sounds ridiculous but in fact that is what the big picture says.
Before looking at the big picture it is important to understand where the micro economics picture painted by the Author breaks down. First, it is claimed that Illegal Immigrants do not take jobs from U.S. Citizens and Legal Residents. But a study by Jeffrey S. Passel of the Pew Hispanic Center was quoted in an Associated Press article on March 8 2006 as saying it is “estimated that illegal immigrants fill a quarter of all agricultural jobs, 17 percent of office and house cleaning positions, 14 percent of construction jobs and 12 percent in food preparation.” That means that 75 percent of all agricultural jobs, 83 percent of office and house cleaning positions, 86 percent of construction jobs and 88 percent of the food preparation jobs are done by U.S. Citizens and Legal Residents. This data clearly states that Americans do compete directly with Illegal Immigrants for jobs.
Furthermore, if you review employment data maintained by the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics you will note that they consistently list two types of job seekers. Most people do not realize this. As stated in an earlier post, if you compare the U.S. Unemployment data including the Hard Core Unemployed that are listed separately from the other unemployed, to the figures published by the Pew Center in the Jeffery S. Passel Study above and the Passel study entitled “Estimates of the Size and Characteristics of the Undocumented Population” you see the real picture. The real levels of unemployment for U.S. Citizens and Legal Residents would have barely reached 4% at the height of the last economic expansion if no Illegal Immigrants had been working in the United States. So in fact, we never had a shortage of workers in the United States that justified the hiring of Illegal Immigrants.
Finally, through the heart of the recent economic expansion when we supposedly had a shortage of workers, the number of families earning below poverty level wages increased significantly. This is an economic theoretical impossibility because it works opposite to the Law of Supply and Demand. Unless, in fact the supply of workers in the low wage end of the economy was increasing faster than the demand. Further proof that we did not really need Illegal Immigration to keep the economy growing. This combined with the facts above is the concrete evidence that the Myth has taken over from the reality.
John F. Kennedy said “The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest, but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.” So what is the reality?
We have entered the world of what is know as Labor Pool Economics is. Simply put, Labor Pool Economics states that if you create a large enough pool of unemployed people in a given Labor Market, you can force wages downward into the cellar. In a 1924 letter to Congress Samuel Gompers, Founder and President of the American Federation of Labor expressed it well by saying: “Every effort to enact immigration legislation must expect to meet a number of hostile forces and, in particular, two hostile forces of considerable strength. One of these is composed of corporation employers who desire to employ physical strength (broad backs) at the lowest possible wage and who prefer a rapidly revolving labor supply at low wages to a regular supply of American wage earners at fair wages.”
There are two types of business owners. There are those that get ahead by out competing everyone else and those who get ahead by exploitation. Those who are greedy and get ahead by exploitation want a continued source of cheap labor and like true misers they want to keep all economic development in their own backyard while denying it to other countries. They import millions of Illegal Immigrants to work in their businesses for the specific purpose of driving down wages using Labor Pool Economics. And when they get caught doing it, they whine and cry and then secretly push to give their illegal workers legal status so that they can maintain their Labor Pool of unemployed workers and continue to drive wages down legally. Labor Pool economics like this was the bread a butter of the 1800's Robber Barons. And if the pool shrinks? They go and import some more Illegal Immigrants and cry for another legalization if caught. The cycle is never ending as long as legalization and non-enforcement of our immigration limits are the solution. And it was working. Through 2007 U.S. Citizen Construction wages had fallen by 11% in purchasing power and material movement wages were down by 13%.
And the premise that we need millions of extra workers in the US beyond those who come here legally comes up equally short. We have over seven million Illegal Immigrants working in the USA. If those seven million jobs are really jobs no one in the US is willing to do, then it is pure greed to say that those seven million jobs have to be in the USA. Think of what seven million new jobs could have meant to Mexico or any Central American country. But if we actually put them there, those countries might actually get to be as well off as the U.S. or Canada and no longer get to be a source of cheap labor. So it pays to keep them impoverished to keep the continued source of cheap labor flowing to the US.
This was not always true. In the past, when the United Stated had more jobs than there were workers, excess jobs were exported to other countries. A few decades ago that resulted in the economic development of Korea, Taiwan, and the other economic powers of the Pacific called the “Four Tigers”. And before that it led to the economic resurgence of Western Europe after the devastation of World War II. At no point did this development make the U.S. economically weak overall. While U.S. economic expansion made those countries strong. And repatriated profits from this foreign expansion fueled U.S. economic growth and wealth without the need to import any new workers.
To see how this should have worked today Mexico makes a great example. Per the Pew Hispanic Center six million Mexicans have illegally immigrated to the USA, over three million of which are working. Per the CIA World Fact Book the 2006 GDP (Gross Domestic Product) of Mexico was $741.5 billion and the Labor Force numbered 38 million. That means that the average GDP per working person was $19,513. If the USA had exported three million jobs to Mexico and paid the average GDP rate (a mere $9.38/hr.) and the six million illegal immigrants would have stayed home, we would have pumped $59 billion in wages into the Mexican economy. In the USA economy approximately 57% of our GDP is made up of wages. Wages generate business, which in turn generates more wages, which in turn generate more business. Assuming this same job multiplier for Mexico means that an additional $59 billion in wages added to the Mexican economy would increase the GDP of Mexico by more that $103 billion or 14%. And the GDP of the USA would increase as well with repatriated profits of as much as $5 billion per year.
So it is easy to see why illegal immigration kills the activity that would solve the illegal immigration problem. And illegal immigration supports the exploitation and economic enslavement of the peoples living south of our border, just so the U.S. can have a continued supply of cheap labor. Back in 1808 the Northern States of the U.S. knew that the way to end slavery was to make it uneconomical by cutting off the supply of new slaves. So they forced through a law to do just that. The leaders of the Southern U.S. States tried to refute the law by saying that Africans were better off as slaves in the U.S. because they were no longer living in the survival economy of the starvation plagued conditions in Africa. The Northerners responded by saying it is better to be free and starving than it is to have a full belly and no freedom. We face a similar question today. Do we let unscrupulous business take us back to the Labor Pool Economics enslavement of the past by importing millions of workers while the rest of the Western Hemisphere starves? Or do we cut off the supply of excess workers and tell business that if they want to grow, it is time to start putting the jobs where unemployed workers live, so that every country has a chance to become economically well off? And do we start restoring that balance now by saying no more paths to legalization for Illegal Immigrants? Or do we delay this process for a decade with legalization for Illegal Immigrants? That is the big picture and that is what focusing on the small picture ignores.


Ann
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 8:06 am

The housing bubble was in part a function of increased demand for housing which was itself a result of population growth due to immigration both legal and illegal. Its not only the immigrants themselves, its their American born children that must be included in the cost factor if their is to be any intellectual honesty in this debate. The tax issue will quickly become a drain as these mostly low skilled workers will be (as million are now and many already file and claim) eligible for the earned income tax credit which Obamas budget expands. Add the cost of low-earners to Social Security and Medicare? A formula for disaster.


Marge
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 8:39 am

This author is such a pro-illegal alien lover that she only prints badly flawed studies. She neglects the facts that the 45 million “uninsured Americans” include all of the illegal aliens in the data. Lets not forget their anchor babies that further skew the data as Americans and the Third World infectious diseases that have previously been unheard of in the US. She also purposefully neglects data that show that more Americans were killed by illegal aliens on our roads than all of the soldiers killed in Iraq to date. What is the social cost to this?: http://www.voiac.org/
You overt bias is a disgrace and is a far cry from reporting as an “independent”. The social costs of illegal aliens is astronomical. Furthermore, we as Americans don't need to apologize for wanting our laws enforced, for wanting to secure our borders and wanting to speak our own language and that is ENGLISH. Anyone with a brain knows that illegals will not speak our language, are extremely separatist and non-assimilating and send billions out of the US annually. Get real girlfriend. You need a reality check. Illegal aliens are a big negative


pags
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 8:49 am

Why do we need to give amnesty to all of the 12 million + illegal aliens in the US. Require all undocumented aliens to register and receive a blue card that has their photo, a bio-identification such as finger prints. The blue card would serve as an identification card and also allow them to work legally. Those who have broken no law except for being here without documents can stay. Those who have broken other laws, such as driving laws, use of fraudulent documents, and felonies will be deported. Severely restrict the family unification act or the amnesty numbers will eventually balloon. Modify the anchor baby act so that at least one parent must be a citizen or legal resident. No one discusses future illegal immigration if an amnesty bill is passed. Punish future illegal immigration and visa overstays with immediate deportation with minimal or no exceptions. Allow local law enforcement agencies to help identify undocumented aliens and check blue card status via a federally maintained data base.


Mcmorty
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 9:18 am

Why not take your family to his country if the seperation is too much to take? Honestly I'm sure that country would welcome a hard working school teacher and law abiding citizen. The simple matter is that you want to live in the United States and your husband is not a citizen. Where did you meet? If it was in the U.S, was he here legally when you met? Did you knowingly marry an illegal alien? Why did you start a family knowing that one of you may not be able to remain in the U.S? There are far too many questions to be answered and CIR is not the solution.


Mcmorty
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 9:22 am

E-Verity would solve most of Griswolds arguments.


Native American
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 9:46 am

20 Million Undocumented who pay TAXES are not something to throw away.They Are Contributing HUMANS, more than the LAZY CITIZENS ON WELFARE.

Undocumented immigrants paying more taxes than you think!!

Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to illegal immigrants.

The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.

Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.

In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.

The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.

Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.

But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.

According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.

No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.

Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.

The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.

The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.

To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.

Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.

With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.


Stan
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 9:58 am

Well, I see the cut & paste pro-illegal alien nonsense from “Native American” has started again. He posts this misleading claptrap all over the web and fools no one.

Of course, the proper question is: how much in net costs do illegal aliens impose on taxpayers. We all know that illegals consume alot more than they pay in taxes. Just look at how bankrupt California is — the state with the most illegals — to a large extent because of illegal aliens.


Nina Mold
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 10:49 am

If you are undocumented, then that means you either entered the country illegally or overstayed your visa.
In either case, it would be impossible to get a social security number, therefore, you could not work legally. How, then, could you pay SS, income tax or Medicare payments?

I think Native American needs to explain how this is possible.


Norski
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 11:01 am

Native American mixes the statistics for Legal Immigrants with Illegal Immigrants and thinks that we will not notice. And the sentence saying that Illegal Immigrants paying taxes are better then people on welfare sounds very defamatory regarding those on welfare. In fact, “A 1995 study by the Cato Institute revealed that the value of the total benefit package received by a typical welfare recipient averaged more than $17,000, ranging from a high of over $36,000 in Hawaii to a low of $11,500 in Mississippi. In 9 states welfare pays more than the average first-year salary for a teacher. In 29 states welfare pays more than the average starting salary for a secretary. In 47 states welfare pays more than a janitor makes. Indeed, in the 6 most generous states, benefits exceed the entry-level salary for a computer programmer.” – CATO Institute Handbook For Congress.

And of course “Single mothers do not turn to welfare because they are pathologically dependent on handouts or unusually reluctant to work. They do so because they cannot get jobs that pay better than welfare.” Christopher Jencks, Rethinking Social Policy: Race, Poverty, and the Underclass (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1991), p. 204.

Meatpacking jobs used to pay $19.00 per hour and employ Citizens. Last year they paid less than $13.00 per hour and employed many Illegal Immigrants. Some of us actually see the pattern here. Illegal Immigrants undercut wages so they can get the jobs Americans do, forcing Citizens on Welfare and Unemployment. In fact, Illegal Immigrants bid wages down until they pay less than Welfare and Unemployment. So in fact, if it were not for Illegal Immigrants American Citizens would be working those jobs at a higher salary and thus PAYING HIGHER TAXES THAN THE ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT PAYS NOW AND WOULD NO LONGER BE USING WELFARE AND UNEMPLOYMENT FOR SUPPORT.


startingover
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 11:40 am

all illegal immigrants do by cutting wages is avoiding for more companies to move out of the country
like it happen in the last eight year allowing American companies to stay competitive
if we would have to many ass holes making to much money we would have too many companies
asking for bail outs… remember if companies can't get affordable labor here, they'll move else where to find it.


Eddie Brown
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

I am an American carpenter, And I have a better idea…Fire an illegal worker and give the job to a legal immigrant or citizen worker. No need to “level the playing field” simply don't allow those that refuse to accept the rules the privalage to play on the field. And Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, some illegal workers will find work here or there, But the majority will be forced out of the labor industries working class Citizens depend on to make a living. The job market will be wide open for legal workers who are struggling to find a job. And, of course, some wil say “what about the jobs Americans wont do?!?!?!?) Well, that's when our legal immigrant population comes roaring to the table! The U.S. allows more legal immigrants into our work force than all other nations combined, From all over the Globe. And I can assure you they would appreciate not having to deal with illegal competition for a job. The wish and desire to have a “better life” is the wish and desire of virtually every human being on planet Earth, hence the need for immigration Law. All developed Nations have it, All people are expected to follow it, And those that refuse will eventually reap the fruits of their foolish behavior.


Norski
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 4:14 pm

Your logic is way too simplistic. For instance, I have yet to see a construction project moved off shore. Ever try to build a high rise building in China and ship it too the U.S.? The bricks keep falling off. Yet the Pew Center estimated that 14 percent of construction jobs are held by Illegal Immigrants. And food preparation and Cleaning Jobs? I have yet to see a vacuum cleaner wand or spatula that reached from China to the U.S. Yet per Pew, 17% of those jobs are done by Illegal Immigrants. And what about Farm Work? The United Farm Workers Union Boycott several years back was busted by Illegal Immigration. And today 25% of all farm workers are Illegal Immigrants, again Per Pew. I have yet to see someone with arms long enough to reach over our International Borders and work U.S. fields. And food world-wide is in short supply. Off-shoring in these industries where Illegal Immigrants are most prevalent IS NOT POSSIBLE.

And off-Shoring only is a significant threat for Manufacturing and help center (telephone) jobs. But in many industries either the cost of freight, or the wonders of high tech manufacturing currently off-set the cost of cheap, foreign labor. So leave your off-shoring straw dogs at the door. Unless you want to talk about a specific industry where off-shoring is more than just a scare tactic, like say textiles and clothing manufacture.


OGUZ
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 4:49 pm

Regarding:
She also purposefully neglects data that show that more Americans were killed by illegal aliens on our roads than all of the soldiers killed in Iraq to date…..

Don't talk to me about death!! Look how many Iraqies have been KILLED because of the war on Iraq!
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/ If you cant look this up the number is between 91,063 – 99,436

That is almost 100,000 Iraqies…So Shut The FI_I ck up about kiiling …
I was all good about reading here and I like both sides here but don't start talking about ILLEGALS KILLING AMERICANS.

To the rest of you guys , either for or against immigration reforms, I appologize about my comment.


native american
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 8:04 pm

Nina the IRS gives what is called a ITN, which means Identification Tax Number, Check out or Google it. :)


wandagb
Comment posted March 11, 2009 @ 9:32 pm

Typical clap trap. Her figure of “nearly $50 billion” over 6 years means about $8 billion per year. For perspective, the U.S. economy is a $10 TRILLION per year, so the $8 billion is in infintessimal 0.08 %. Consider further that these folks have large families and put great demands on the schools, health services, etc. All in all a lousy deal for the middle class. Lou Dobbs is right.

Everything you need to know about immigration and what to do about it humorously told.

Watch YouTube Amnesty Downfall

Roy Beck and NumbersUSA are the gumball heroes
Watch YouTube immigration gumballs


Susan
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 7:56 am

You make a point of why we should legalize abd how they pay taxes and buy cars and so on. What about the benefits they receive on the backs of the rest of us? What about the pell grants they get and the housing and the medical and the welfare that they get for FREE. Never repaying it. How about looking at how many iare in our jails? How many are sucking this country dry. I am sick of people like you and the ACLU* should be the MCLU* constanly makes the case of Illegals in this country when was the last time you went looking for a job and they hire a illegal because its cheaper? Or had you identity stolen by one? Or went to get help from the state and you dont qualify but a person who cant even speak english walks out with a big fat welfare check.
You make me sick.


Susan
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 8:02 am

problem here is that when companies refuse to hire these illegals the ACLU**MCLU** steps in a files a lawsuit that they are being victimized. The poor poor people. AMerican Civil liberties Union is now the Mexican Civil Liberties Union. And the States and Government bow down to these people like they rule the world.Well it is evident that they do *sadly* rule the US court and US Government


Nina Mold
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 9:07 am

Eddie,

The US may allow more legal immigrants than the rest of the world combined, but there are only four ways to get in legally;
Employer sponsor
Family sponsor
Marriage to a citizen
Investment

Employer sponsorship is hideously hard to get without exceptionally unusual skills. Particularly since the law was changed last year and now the employer must stand the full cost.

Family sponsorship – the vast majority of Europeans and Asians wanting to immigrate do not have close relatives here, so they are pretty much precluded from this option, leaving them only investment, which, if under 1/2 $million does not lead to permanent residence, for some incomprehensible reason. The only ones who can really use the family sponsorship option are Latinos, hence the current situation.

Investment over 1/2 $million leads directly to green card for the investor and his immediate family.

Until the US creates a system that allows ordinary, law-abiding people to come here, work and contribute to the economy without the impossible restrictions currently in place, illegal immigration will continue to soar and legal immigrants will all be Latino. No one else has a chance.


Norski
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 11:24 am

Before we entered the current recession unemployment for teenage and young adult U.S. Citizens, the backbone of the “ordinary, law-abiding people” labor market was in excess of 20%. Don't believe it? The figures were published by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. In an article entitled 'Immigration Crackdown May Boost US Job Prospects' David R. Francis stated “a study by Northeastern University's Center for Labor Market Studies in Boston attributes the “unprecedented” levels of legal, illegal, and temporary immigration as a factor underlying the “devastation” in the job scene for America's teens and young adults over the past seven years. That's especially the case for males with no schooling beyond high school and youths from low-income families. Summer seasonal jobs as a proportion of all jobs are at the lowest level now in the past 30 years.” If there are no jobs for “ordinary, law-abiding people to come here” for, what is the point in letting them come? So they can sit in an unemployment line? Or so our young folks can sit in an unemployment line? Let's get real. The statistics of our Legal Immigration shows that the reason it takes family reunion immigration so long (for people from the Philippines it takes up to 14 years) is the lack of jobs to allow them to come more quickly. The whole reason Illegal Immigrants are illegal is because the U.S. cannot create jobs any faster than the rate at which we admit Legal Immigrants now. During the last great migration to the U.S. the unemployment rate reached 32% in the unskilled labor markets by 1910 before they finally got some sanity in the process and started to limit the number of Immigrants allowed into the U.S. Yet those who advocate no limits to immigration are in effect advocating a return to the bad old days of immigration driven high unemployment.

In the last 20 years, after our economy stabilized at 67% of our population seeking employment, we have only been able to create an average of 1.66 million new jobs per year. This limit was not reached because of limits on Immigration. It exists because of the limited ability for our economy to grow the Capital that creates jobs. And during the last 20 years the number Americans unemployed never fell below 9 million if you include “discouraged workers” (Government term for people who want to work but are not included in the regular unemployment figures so the figures do not look quite so bad). And if Illegal Immigrants had never come to the U.S. unemployment would have bottomed out at 3.8% including the hard core unemployed during the last expansion. This is still almost twice what used to be considered “full employment” until the Nixon Administration changed the definition.

If one assumes that the current U.S. Fertility Rate of 2.1 children per woman were to continue and one realizes that with the average number of workers hitting retirement each year averages 2.5 million versus an average of 3.0 million new young Americans entering the workforce each year then it is obvious that we needed an additional 1.16 million new Legal Immigrants each year. And that is the level of Legal Immigration to the U.S. during that period. And that explains why our unemployed so greatly outnumber working Illegal Immigrants. They were not admitted legally because we did not have enough jobs for everyone. Not to mention the fact that we would have severe water resource problems as we overpopulate the U.S.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 11:30 am

There have been a few cases of black helicopters picking people up in foreign countries and bringing them to the U.S. and through absolutely no fault of their own they become illegal aliens.

Did that happen to you?

Alternatively, if you think back, was there some decision you or your husband made that put you in this position? For instance, did you or your husband try to skirt our laws?


Eddie Brown
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 3:02 pm

I agree Nina. Mass illegal immigration by Hispanics has pretty much destroyed a pretty good thing for a lot of other people. But of course, the outlets you mentioned will never be as liberal as any immigrants wish them to be simply because there are now three hundred million people in the U.S. and also because the U.S. has to control the amout of people working in specific sectors of labor. In other words, Immigration is difficult by design. The red tape acts as a “control valve” so to speak. think fo one moment if word spread around the Globe…”Hey! it's really easy to go to the United States and work now! Good money too! only took me about a week and I was a-okay!!” HAR!HAR! it would take about six months before there were so many airplanes, boats, buses, and people on foot flooding in scrambling for jobs and housing that it would be like a bad comedy show. Oh, God, could you amagine being a young med student in the U.S. just after India and China get the word that Doctors can “just come on in and get a job! first come first serve!! everyones welcome! come on!!” Oh, please. Or a working class dude in the construction industry after all of Mexico hears ” Hey! you want to work hard in the U.S.?? Come on!! it's real easy now! their lettin anyone and everyone in!! WOOO! YEAH!! LET'S GOOOOO!!!”….Think….Think Hard.


Brittanicus
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

Blocking E-Verify was deliberate decision of the Senate leaders who place the interests of 40 million illegal aliens (According to Heritage Foundation), over the interests of millions of unemployed American workers. It would Extend the federal program to screen workers and job applicants to determine whether they reside in the United States legally. All Republican senators present in the chamber voted against tabling the measure to extend the life of the program.

Nearly every Democratic senator, including, Sen. Leahy (D-VT) voted in favor of tabling it in a 50 to 47 motion. U.S. Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., offered the reauthorization amendment to the omnibus spending bill, including an amendment to the Stimulus bill. His legislation would have allowed the program going for another six years. Chances are it will still run until September according to the Sen. Sessions. The main culprits involved to killing of E-verify was Sen.Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. See the financial picture of Senator Reid and Speaker Pelosi at OPENSECRETS.

Without the successful e-Verify programl running illegal aliens will continue to appropriate jobs, that should go to the 6 million plus unemployed. Americans and legal residents their jobs and homes in dire straights. The United Stated cannot continue to educate, give free health insurance and a wide spectrum of social benefits, that is costing the taxpayer hundreds of billions a year.

The ominous US Chamber of Commerce and special interest lobbyists are the main cause of overpopulation, traffic chaos, pollution and the devastating effect of farmland turned into concrete for housing. The American worker is in a crisis situation, but Democrats to appease special interest organizations, have sold their loyalty for corporate campaign contributions.

We must–NOT–stop the bombardment of the Washington Switchboard 202-224-3121 for senator or Representative demanding E-Verify for ten years–if not –PERPETUITY?. President Obama switchboard (202) 456-1414 Comments (202) 456-1111


Nadeem
Comment posted March 12, 2009 @ 10:01 pm

I think the 300,000 is the H1-B numbet, and they are all legal. U r refering to the 11 million illegal immigrants. H1-Bs pay taxes and even contribute to social security and medicare.


startingover
Comment posted March 13, 2009 @ 7:44 am

perhaps simplistic , however it's not as complicated as it's sounds
the rules of relativity one industry will affect the other , see while you are analyzing
polls and percentage's of today you aren't looking ahead of the problem and because of the same behavior from our government we are in this mess today and therefor we had a energy crisis , mortgage crisis , economical crisis and did nothing to prevent it,
textile may be just the beginning of a tendency, who knows tomorrow May be
a company like GMC or FORD moving to a place like India in order to have a chance to
compete against Japanese or European companies, think about it it may not be to far away.


Norski
Comment posted March 13, 2009 @ 8:15 am

I think about it every day. That is one of the responsibilities of my job. Unlike those who engage in this as an intellectual exercise, my living depends on staying one step ahead of off-shoring. In the age of computer aided manufacturing (CAM) and the demand for high tech quality, in many manufactured goods there still exists barriers to off-shoring that the untrained fear-monger does not understand. The biggest threat to American Jobs is not the off-shoring itself, it is a resistance by the American Worker to the introduction of CAM for fear of losing some jobs. It is the blocking of CAM or it is people too lazy to implement CAM that makes off-shoring a reasonable alternative. Remember, off-shoring is only a problem if those who loose their jobs cannot find employment elsewhere at comparable wages and overall we remain close to full employment. For international trade to work, other nations have to have something to trade.


Truth
Comment posted March 13, 2009 @ 9:46 am

I don't see any Doctors, Lawyers, Professionals writing anything about these poor Immigrants, I wonder who are those that post messages here. Those who oppose these poor migrants from earning a living and are afraid of losing their low paying lawn mowing, dish washing, construction jobs are LOSERS because if you are afraid of losing your low wage job to some migrant and you are a US CITIZEN, Then you are a LOSER, BEcause being a citizen gave/gives you rights to Study and better yourself and learn a profession that is required in TODAYS WORKPLACE.

Get EDUCATED so you wont have to sit and worry about losing your dish washing food picking lawn mowing job.


Truth
Comment posted March 13, 2009 @ 9:52 am

Who is taking away JOBS? Not these poor migrants, lets see who is firing and do not have any Undocumented working for them, The 4 Million Jobs now lost are form these firms IBM, Banks, Wall Street, Whirlpool, Sony, Gm, Ford, Etc, NOT ONE OF THEM HIRED UNDOCUMENTED> Stop Blaming these poor People,
I am not saying don't close the borders, I am saying don't be IGNORNAT>


Eve
Comment posted March 13, 2009 @ 9:53 am

Brittanicus aren't you the Racist Minuteman ?


wwwmen
Comment posted March 13, 2009 @ 11:13 am

Ask all illegals if they wanna pay 10000 $ to get papers and you'll see that all of them will line up .And down goes this crisis :)


Beth
Comment posted March 13, 2009 @ 12:54 pm

Teenagers in my area and every area for a 200 mile radius was, is, and will remain… because in an MTV world where mom and dad think it's tragic if little Johnny has to miss a foot ball game or cheerleading practice to break a sweat… all the fast food places, gas stations, Wal Mart, and lanscapers have permenant advertisements for help.

If there are no jobs where you are, then people will just have to do what my dad, grandfather, great-grandfather and so forth did when economies changed… migrate to another state. It ain't the end of the world.


Norski
Comment posted March 13, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

I guess classism is not dead after all. As the son of a construction worker I used to hear about comments like this all the time. And usually the person making the comment was some snotty white collar person who believed that those people who worked with their hands were some lower form of life.

You have no clue as to what it takes to do many jobs where you work with your hands. Take brick laying for instance. It takes years to become a skilled Journeyman. And yet Contractors will replace a skilled Journeyman with an Illegal Immigrant if they find out that the Illegal Immigrant at one time may have built a wall in his back yard just so they can save a few dollars. What most classist people do not know is that because of practices like this it is estimated that as many as half the fireplaces in our town were built incorrectly. An incorrectly built fireplace can easily burn your house down. Think of that the next time you light a fire in your fireplace.

And when you next choose to put down hard working Americans by saying that they should “study and better themselves” consider this. Maybe your neighbor's fireplace or foundation was built by the $30 per hour skilled craftsman and your fireplace or foundation may have been built by the $13 per hour Illegal Immigrant. And yet you each paid the same price for your house. And if you have problems, good luck proving anything or getting any satisfaction. The Contractor will be too busy laughing on his way to the bank.


Stacy
Comment posted March 19, 2009 @ 6:48 am

I am an illegal. I came here via visa with my parents at age 11. Overstayed after age 18. I have an SSN, I pay taxes, own home ect. I can't work the job I had due to everify. I speak fluent english, paid taxes, do you think i have a chance to become legal? I want to become legal. My abusive american citizen husband would not sponsor me because he was afraid to loose his government job. I want to become an American Citizen. I have a lot to offer to this great country. I am paying for my parents bad decision when their visa expired back in 1983. People, give me a chance.


Stacy
Comment posted March 19, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

I am an illegal. I came here via visa with my parents at age 11. Overstayed after age 18. I have an SSN, I pay taxes, own home ect. I can't work the job I had due to everify. I speak fluent english, paid taxes, do you think i have a chance to become legal? I want to become legal. My abusive american citizen husband would not sponsor me because he was afraid to loose his government job. I want to become an American Citizen. I have a lot to offer to this great country. I am paying for my parents bad decision when their visa expired back in 1983. People, give me a chance.


enoughalready53
Comment posted June 27, 2010 @ 5:15 pm

Data and research proves out that illegals DO NOT pay their way in our country…and would drown our social programs with their participation.

What we all know is that the women have lots of children that they cannot afford, and whether there is a man in the household or not – they claim to be single…and usually live with the father of at least one of the children – then get free housing, food stamps, medical, etc. etc.

Fraud is rampant and the U.S.'s debt can be directly attributed to decades of paying for these dependents.


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