Comments on: WSJ Cherry-Picks Data to Label Cap-and-Trade Scheme ‘Regressive’ http://washingtonindependent.com/33040/wsj-cherry-picks-data-to-label-cap-and-trade-scheme-regressive National News in Context Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:40:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: adidas online http://washingtonindependent.com/33040/wsj-cherry-picks-data-to-label-cap-and-trade-scheme-regressive/comment-page-1#comment-158332 adidas online Wed, 02 Jun 2010 11:54:31 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=33040#comment-158332 Thanks for this interesting post,i like it. Thanks for this interesting post,i like it.

]]> By: FAIR Blog » Blog Archive » Centrism boosting at the Washington Post http://washingtonindependent.com/33040/wsj-cherry-picks-data-to-label-cap-and-trade-scheme-regressive/comment-page-1#comment-25944 FAIR Blog » Blog Archive » Centrism boosting at the Washington Post Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:49:47 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=33040#comment-25944 [...] such a tax increase? The Wall Street Journal editorial page and leading Republicans say so, though it's not clear that they're right (and some of those Republican claims have been totally misleading). Broder concludes that given [...] [...] such a tax increase? The Wall Street Journal editorial page and leading Republicans say so, though it’s not clear that they’re right (and some of those Republican claims have been totally misleading). Broder concludes that given [...]

]]> By: Sustainabler http://washingtonindependent.com/33040/wsj-cherry-picks-data-to-label-cap-and-trade-scheme-regressive/comment-page-1#comment-36735 Sustainabler Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:28:04 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=33040#comment-36735 Polluting isn't useful. And it's not good either. Destroying incentives to pollute is a good thing. Polluting is stealing from the earth, from our fellow inhabitants of the planet who rely on ecosystem services (clean air, clean water, stable climate) to survive. Problem is, for too long pollution has been "free". CO2 from fossil fuels is pollution that wasn't in the biosphere before we burned the coal, oil, etc.<br><br>The profligate who waste carbon-fossil based energy will pay more under a carbon tax or a cap and trade with an equal per-capita rebate system. The effect of the rebate (and higher cost of carbon under the new system) will be to create incentives to conserve, among all income classes. That will be a VERY good thing! Creating internalized costs that encourage innovation, renewable energy and conservation will be a very good thing for our nation's survival and prosperity.<br><br>Obama is smart, smarter than the climate deniers and naysayer failure-advocates. The people are with him, and we'll do quite well with a flat rebate under the proposed system! Polluting isn't useful. And it's not good either. Destroying incentives to pollute is a good thing. Polluting is stealing from the earth, from our fellow inhabitants of the planet who rely on ecosystem services (clean air, clean water, stable climate) to survive. Problem is, for too long pollution has been “free”. CO2 from fossil fuels is pollution that wasn't in the biosphere before we burned the coal, oil, etc.

The profligate who waste carbon-fossil based energy will pay more under a carbon tax or a cap and trade with an equal per-capita rebate system. The effect of the rebate (and higher cost of carbon under the new system) will be to create incentives to conserve, among all income classes. That will be a VERY good thing! Creating internalized costs that encourage innovation, renewable energy and conservation will be a very good thing for our nation's survival and prosperity.

Obama is smart, smarter than the climate deniers and naysayer failure-advocates. The people are with him, and we'll do quite well with a flat rebate under the proposed system!

]]> By: Sustainabler http://washingtonindependent.com/33040/wsj-cherry-picks-data-to-label-cap-and-trade-scheme-regressive/comment-page-1#comment-22332 Sustainabler Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:28:04 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=33040#comment-22332 Polluting isn't useful. And it's not good either. Destroying incentives to pollute is a good thing. Polluting is stealing from the earth, from our fellow inhabitants of the planet who rely on ecosystem services (clean air, clean water, stable climate) to survive. Problem is, for too long pollution has been "free". CO2 from fossil fuels is pollution that wasn't in the biosphere before we burned the coal, oil, etc.<br><br>The profligate who waste carbon-fossil based energy will pay more under a carbon tax or a cap and trade with an equal per-capita rebate system. The effect of the rebate (and higher cost of carbon under the new system) will be to create incentives to conserve, among all income classes. That will be a VERY good thing! Creating internalized costs that encourage innovation, renewable energy and conservation will be a very good thing for our nation's survival and prosperity.<br><br>Obama is smart, smarter than the climate deniers and naysayer failure-advocates. The people are with him, and we'll do quite well with a flat rebate under the proposed system! Polluting isn't useful. And it's not good either. Destroying incentives to pollute is a good thing. Polluting is stealing from the earth, from our fellow inhabitants of the planet who rely on ecosystem services (clean air, clean water, stable climate) to survive. Problem is, for too long pollution has been “free”. CO2 from fossil fuels is pollution that wasn't in the biosphere before we burned the coal, oil, etc.

The profligate who waste carbon-fossil based energy will pay more under a carbon tax or a cap and trade with an equal per-capita rebate system. The effect of the rebate (and higher cost of carbon under the new system) will be to create incentives to conserve, among all income classes. That will be a VERY good thing! Creating internalized costs that encourage innovation, renewable energy and conservation will be a very good thing for our nation's survival and prosperity.

Obama is smart, smarter than the climate deniers and naysayer failure-advocates. The people are with him, and we'll do quite well with a flat rebate under the proposed system!

]]> By: Broad Brush Issues « Politics or Poppycock http://washingtonindependent.com/33040/wsj-cherry-picks-data-to-label-cap-and-trade-scheme-regressive/comment-page-1#comment-21888 Broad Brush Issues « Politics or Poppycock Tue, 10 Mar 2009 22:50:10 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=33040#comment-21888 [...] Washington Independent: “WSJ Cherry-Picks Data to Label Cap-and-Trade Scheme ‘Regressive’” [...] [...] Washington Independent: “WSJ Cherry-Picks Data to Label Cap-and-Trade Scheme ‘Regressive’” [...]

]]> By: Captain’s Log: March 10, 2009 « Captain Trade http://washingtonindependent.com/33040/wsj-cherry-picks-data-to-label-cap-and-trade-scheme-regressive/comment-page-1#comment-21789 Captain’s Log: March 10, 2009 « Captain Trade Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:01:40 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=33040#comment-21789 [...] Hey, WSJ: Learn some math. (Washington Independent) [...] [...] Hey, WSJ: Learn some math. (Washington Independent) [...]

]]> By: immolate http://washingtonindependent.com/33040/wsj-cherry-picks-data-to-label-cap-and-trade-scheme-regressive/comment-page-1#comment-21721 immolate Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:00:12 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=33040#comment-21721 So what you're saying, in effect, is that Obama's cap and trade plan is not a regressive tax, but rather another fake tax "rebate" that grants people money back that they didn't pay in the first place. In other words, its another redistribution of wealth... i.e. a naked money grab by the usual looters to buy the votes of the usual looter beneficiaries. <br><br>Giving money to people that didn't earn it is evil. It isn't evil so much because you're stealing it from people who did earn it--it's evil because you're attempting to destroy all that is good and valuable in the people you give the freebies to. You take their motivation, you take their self-respect, and worst of all, you take their justification to struggle and become something better. It is the most subtle and seductive of all mass sedatives, and you gleefully advocate it as if the consequences won't destroy you as easily as everyone else.<br><br>That make you either evil or a useful idiot. I generally give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they're just being useful. So what you're saying, in effect, is that Obama's cap and trade plan is not a regressive tax, but rather another fake tax “rebate” that grants people money back that they didn't pay in the first place. In other words, its another redistribution of wealth… i.e. a naked money grab by the usual looters to buy the votes of the usual looter beneficiaries.

Giving money to people that didn't earn it is evil. It isn't evil so much because you're stealing it from people who did earn it–it's evil because you're attempting to destroy all that is good and valuable in the people you give the freebies to. You take their motivation, you take their self-respect, and worst of all, you take their justification to struggle and become something better. It is the most subtle and seductive of all mass sedatives, and you gleefully advocate it as if the consequences won't destroy you as easily as everyone else.

That make you either evil or a useful idiot. I generally give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they're just being useful.

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