Editing Libel Out of Wikipedia = Vandalism

[...] about Matt Drudge as of March 9, 2009 Editing Libel Out of Wikipedia = Vandalism – washingtonindependent.com 03/09/2009 I won’t link to WorldNetDaily unless I have to, and unless [...]

Weigel is basically just an Obama cultist, and there are plenty of those at Wikipedia. You can see that above, as he reflexively assumes that any concern about where BHO was born – or the lack of all the other material he's released – must be a “conspiracy theory”. And, when a page from a supposedly impartial organization reflexively sets out to discredit “conspiracy theories”, does anyone think they're really an impartial organization? No, like Weigel, it's a matter of faith.

Neither WP nor Weigel are interested in getting the truth. In fact, I've repeatedly urged Weigel to just pick up the phone, call Hawaii, and confirm his assumptions. Yet, he's refused. He won't even make a phone call to Hawaii and ask them to confirm his assumptions because he knows what would happen. With him and his Koolaid-besotted editor Laura McCann, it's just a matter of faith.

If anyone wants the truth about this matter – only the facts, not speculation – see this page. Scroll down a bit and you'll see a comment on his personal blog that Weigel didn't approve because it showed how much of a hack he is.

24ahead – why blab on when Weigel just completely showed that the subject of the controversy itself – that WIkipedia is “conspiring” against the truth – has just been proven wrong above? Did you visit any of the links, or did you just decide to post links to your own equally ludicrous site, put your fingers in your ears, and yell, “Lalalalalalala?” Sorry to phrase it that way, but it seems that the conversation between Weigel and 24ahead.com goes like this: 24ahead posts a false conspiracy theory. The Washington Independent proves the theory wrong, showing there's ful and open discourse about Obama's origins. 24ahead repeats itself, ignoring the response. When a party claiming to campaign for truth childishly ignores an open debate, it's subverting itself. Sorry.

24ahead – why blab on when Weigel just completely showed that the subject of the controversy itself – that WIkipedia is “conspiring” against the truth – has just been proven wrong above? Did you visit any of the links, or did you just decide to post links to your own equally ludicrous site, put your fingers in your ears, and yell, “Lalalalalalala?” Sorry to phrase it that way, but it seems that the conversation between Weigel and 24ahead.com goes like this: 24ahead posts a false conspiracy theory. The Washington Independent proves the theory wrong, showing there's ful and open discourse about Obama's origins. 24ahead repeats itself, ignoring the response. When a party claiming to campaign for truth childishly ignores an open debate, it's subverting itself. Sorry.

please delete my duplicate post. apologies.

[...] Dave Weigel says that Wikipedia is just editing out libel — but looking at what’s on the page, well, that’s awfully charitable of [...]

And see, here's why the web works . . you bitch about Instapundit linking to Gateway Pundit, so YOU get a link from Instapundit, which then brings me to you, so I can tell you you're an idiot. Anyone with a clue can see it's not racist consipracy theories being edited from Obama's page, it's legitimate issues that need to be maintained in the public eye, instead of being buried on some crackpot wiki.

You CAN'T be serious that issues with Bill Ayers or or that loon Wright should be uttered in the same breath with 9/11 wackos and birth certificate crap. Give me a break. This is an obvious scrub, and you should be ashamed for being BO's buttboy on this.

robert clearly doesn't understand my argument; if anyone who's intellectually honest – and not an Obama cultist – would like to understand it, read the link I posted below.

And, I just updated that summary page with a new post.

The new post shows how the Wikipedia page that Weigel is relying on has been misleading people since around Christmas.

Doh.

There is not a word of criticism of Barack Obama on his Wikipedia page, you gigantic fraud. The sentence that begins to link Obama to Ayers is “Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995 to 2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995 to 1999″ – someone who was not already aware of the controversy would have no reason to suspect one from that. The page that sentence links to itself only mentions the controversy in a link to yet a third page about the “Ayers presidential controversy” (not the Ayers/Obama controversy).

I have looked at the wiki GW Bush page and the Obama page, and there is clearly two different standards of editing being used.

Don't be such a tyrany, David. Don't you know that when a community-edited web page fails to represent the truth as made known to me by Rush Limbaugh, it's obviously the hand of Stalin corrupting teh process?

C'mon Dave. Wikipedia is a joke to begin with. Any and all attempts to refute some of the leftwing crap on there results in the “disappearance” of the opposing facts. Now that THE ONE is in office, you're going to do what Chris (I get a tingle up my leg) Matthews proclaimed by doing “everything I can to make this thing work, this new presidency work”.

Your bias is showing, Dave.

Yeah, I am gonna have to agree with the law professor on this one. I think the comparison to fascists is way way way over the top, but it's not a good show for Wiki-neutrality no matter how you turn it. The relationship with Ayers definitely belongs in the biography, period. It is not a “scandal”, it is biographical, and that is all there is to it.

“Obama’s main page doesn’t mention Ayers”

And you don't see the problem there? It doesn't seem thuggish that when people do add the well-established connections to Wright or Ayers to Obama's page, they are being banned from editing Wikipedia?

Meanwhile, Bush's entry still claims he received favorable treatment in the National Guard, despite that having been so completely debunked Dan Rather was fired over it..

This is Orwellianism for the Information Age, and your inability to notice it makes you Exhibit A for the cultishness of Obama supporters. Oh, and I see you threw out the racism card, too. Well done, O'Brien!

We have always been at war with Eastasia (citation needed).

Wiki's editing and censorship is just another part of the vast global conspiracy (which includes all the members of the mainstream media, several foreign governments, and the CEOs of many of the banks currently receiving taxpayer money) which seeks to foist the illegitimate and inadequate black man onto the back of the hardworking American Patriot. The goal is nothing less than the complete domination of the black man over the white man, and a socialist/communist Utopia where minorities and gays will lounge in the comforts provided by an enslaved white majority.

Wikipedia has special rules for Biographical information regarding Living Persons. If you are familiar with rules such as “Do unto others…”, “If you don't have anything nice to say, …” and “Hear no evil…”, then Wikipedia's rules will be familiar. No doubt their rule came from the experience of seeing the nasty things people can say about each other and not wanting to be party to this.

And at least Wikipedia is even handed about it. They similarly did not allow many factual but controversial statements about Sarah Palin to be included, such as the controversy about the birth of Trig and her links to the Alaskan Independence Party. They also did not allow unsubstantiated material, such as the rumors she had an affair with one of her husbands business partners.

Don't plan on this policy changing any time soon, just realize that Wikipedia entries are likely to be light on controversial material about anyone, or to even whitewash it sometimes.

The real problem is that alien invaders from Mars like you are trying to undermine our human governments in order to make way for planetary conquest. Now, I don't have any proof of this, but like your assertions, it's all a matter of faith. Stay off my planet, greenskin!

Instarube does this sort of thing constantly. It doesn't matter how lunatic or how racist, if it is pro-Republican, Instarube links to it approvingly. Then when someone calls him on it, he says he was merely linking to it.

Since John McCain rejected the birth certificate conspiracy theory as well, I guess that can only mean McCain is an “Obama cultist!” The reach of the Obama cult is deep indeed!

“it was a legitimate campaign issue pushed by Sen. John McCain and Sen. Hillary Clinton”

Well, it was pushed by them.

The Bush preferential treatment in the National Guard wasn't debunked. Dan Rather got played by a Bush supporter who gave him a fake document and Rather ran with it. Rather's mistake was that he didn't realize he was being set up.

There is no proof that the 'Trig isn't Palin's mom' rumor started with a liberal. It's quite possible that a conservative started the rumor in order to elicit sympathy for Palin among conservatives and bring the hammer down on liberals. There was no mention of that story in the mainstream media yet they still insist to this day that there was. That's a straw man arguments/self generated controversy if ever I heard one. Kinda like putting a bug into your own office so you can discover it and accuse your opponent of being dishonest. Sound familiar.

Wow goof uuuhhh troof did ya forget your meds this morning? The Doc told you {paranoid schizophrenic} that if the schedule he set for you he would have to commit you to an institution. Either that or you are a very very dim bulb!!!!!

John McCain's wiki has a full paragraph documenting the question of legality to become President. It says he was certified to run by the Senate. Absolutely NO mention of Obama's nationality, even if only to exonerate him. I voted for Barack Obama and I think it's totally obvious there are different standards being applied on Wikipedia for liberals and conservatives.

Crazy is as crazy does!

This is because McCain was born in Panama and the Senate passed an actual bill confirming his eligibility. Obama was born in Hawaii, so there's no issue unless you're a conspiracy theorist.

Thanks Up. And I am sorry you even have to say that you voted for Obama to lend credence to your statement. I voted McCain – so obviously I am incapable of unbiased thought on this issue. It really is sad. There are definitely two standards… but it is not just liberal/conservative.

Look at what happened to Hillary during the campaign. When that worm turned, it turned HARD. And what about Joe Lieberman? He was great… until he wasn't anymore. And for that matter, Bill Clinton himself got called a racist several times before some fence mending got everyone back on the same page.

You cross these folks at your own peril.

And “Small Pen1s”: Your “Straw Man argument” is quite ironically… a straw man argument. You say, Hey!, it could be a conservative plant… and then say, we can ignore this obviously self generated controversy. No proof? No problem!

Exactly. And why won't Wikipedia publish our very true theory about the alien invaders? It must be another conspiracy. :)

Likewise, this page is full of lies.

Meanwhile, Weigel is making the false assumption that the 10/31 statement from the HI Dep't of Health verified where he was born. I asked them to confirm that assumption, and they refused. That shows that FactCheck – and those like Weigel who are relying on them – are wrong.

Since Weigel disagrees, there's an easy cure. Simply pick up the phone, ask Hawaii to confirm their 10/31 statement, and then print their response. He won't do that, because he knows that they won't confirm that their 10/31 statement verified where BHO was born.

Weigel is going on faith, not on facts. See my summary page for all the details and links to original documents.

As a white gay man who likes black men, I'm all for that, troof. When do I get to start lounging around in comfort with my minority sex buddies?

I, for one, welcome our lizard overlords. God knows they can't be worse than the last eight years.

I feel like going on a murderous rampage with Occam's Razor.

This is satire, right? I'm never sure with wingnuttery anymore.

Has it ever occurred to you dittoheads that Obama might be leaving the birth certificate controversy out there as a red herring for conspiracy theorists? Every time you push this, you marginalize yourself further. Even McCain didn't go there.

The odd thing is that a few years ago, the dittohead crowd was pushing to eliminate the native-born requirement so Arnold freakin' Schwartzenegger could run for President. If Arnold was good enough a citizen to be President, Obama is too.

“Wikipedia maintains a page about discredited Obama conspiracy theories, just as it maintains a page on 9/11 conspiracy theories.”

I notice the Obama conspiracy theories are all discredited, while the the jury is apparently still out about the 9/11 conspiracy theories. Nope. No bias there. Move along. Nothing to see…

Of course you all know this argument is pointless? When you know The Truth, no silly (and self-evidently false) argument by your enemies and their deluded fellow-travellers can possibly sway you. It's a human thing to see only what you wish to see and nothing else (I believe that there's a Biblical mention along those lines; man, that book has all sorts of good stuff on human nature) It's actually even more than the blind men and the elephant (strangely prescient, that choice of animals, eh? Who says there's no God..); it's more the willfully-blinded-by-ideology-men and the elephant saying that the elephant is a spear to kill their liberal enemies; no, it's a hose to wash away their enemies' liberal lies; no, it's a tree to climb to avoid the inevitable mass genocide by the vicious, murdering liberals; no, it's a rope to tie into a hangman's noose to teach those hateful, racist liberals a lesson; and then they all fight each other until only the man with the strongest faith in Ayn Rand survives.

[...] and, it strikes me, to discuss the larger questions of bias or framing (see also the current bloglemic about Obama’s Wikipedia [...]

Of course you all know this argument is pointless? When you know The Truth, no silly (and self-evidently false) argument by your enemies and their deluded fellow-travellers can possibly sway you. It's a human thing to see only what you wish to see and nothing else (I believe that there's a Biblical mention along those lines; man, that book has all sorts of good stuff on human nature) It's actually even more than the blind men and the elephant (strangely prescient, that choice of animals, eh? Who says there's no God..); it's more the willfully-blinded-by-ideology-men and the elephant saying that the elephant is a spear to kill their liberal enemies; no, it's a hose to wash away their enemies' liberal lies; no, it's a tree to climb to avoid the inevitable mass genocide by the vicious, murdering liberals; no, it's a rope to tie into a hangman's noose to teach those hateful, racist liberals a lesson; and then they all fight each other until only the man with the strongest faith in Ayn Rand survives.

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An actual systematic study was done to document the incidence of libel in the 100 Wikipedia articles about US senators. The study results are described here:

http://www.mywikibiz.com/Wikipedia_Vandalism_Study

An actual systematic study was done to document the incidence of libel in the 100 Wikipedia articles about US senators. The study results are described here:

http://www.mywikibiz.com/Wikipedia_Vandalism_Study

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