The Party of Birth Certificate Conspiracies

Hey David,

Anyone get the type of document that Obama has provided. Hawaii will provide various types of certificates.

Obama has not provided a long form certified copy of his vault certificate. Which should exist if he was born in Hawaii.

Not sure why this is such a big deal. I had to show my original birth certificate to join the US Army, and to become a Police Officer. You can get a certified copy of your bc for 15 bucks.

Of course Honest Abe Obama has hired law firms to stop any investigation into his past. hmmmmmm

NOTHING TO HIDE……THEN SHOW ALL REQUIRED (ORIGINAL) DOCUMENTS
EVEN A FIRST GRADER CAN FIGURE THAT ONE

That law would be in violation of Article IV , Section 1 of the U.S. Constituion which states:

“Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.”

Since Hawaii considered the certificate issued to Obama to be legally valid proof of his Hawaiian birth, Missuori would have to as well.

Rockman wrote:

“Anyone get the type of document that Obama has provided. Hawaii will provide various types of certificates. “

That is the stupidest thing I have read on the internet in a month. Good job.

“But because it’s a new document, not a vintage certificate”

{sigh} THAT–IS–A–LIE
(or else the “journalist” is just too ignorant and lazy to check for the truth)

It is a scanned copy of a document purported to be Obama's Certificate of Live Birth. Experts have examined the web-based document and determined that it is a forgery – ergo the 'original' used by Obama to validate his candidacy to ???? is a fake.

I don't know whether it is or not. I do know that a Certificate of Live Birth is not considered valid proof of Hawaiian birth (residency) by official Hawaiian agencies.

I also know that Barry, A.K.A. Barack Obama, has hired a number of lawfirms and spent upwards of a million dollars trying to hide 'something'.

———WHAT IS HE HIDING AND WHY?————–

I presume you are a lawyer so will not discuss the legalities of the proposed law (though I think it's a good one if it can be fit within the Art IV, Sect 1 confines). I will, however, take exception to paragraph 3. . .

Your premise is wrong making your conclusion invalid. Hawaii does NOT consider the COLB to be a “legally valid proof of his Hawaiian birth”.

A certificate of live birth from hawaii will not even be accepted by the state of hawaii as proof of citizebship. My cousin ran inot htisissue a few years ago since she lives in Hawaii. THe state made her get a long form of her birth certificate to prove she was a citizen of the United States.

I did not have any problem with McCin being asked to provide a long from birth certificate, why do the Obama supporters go bat crap when Obama is asked to provide a long form birth certificate?

Keep at it guys, maybe you can make it into the next printing of Secret societies and Conspiracy theories for dummies.

Why does Obama refuse to request the same Hawaii state office to mail the same COLB (he calls it “birth certificate”) that he displays on his websites directly to all the parties who sue him to do just that? After all this is just a computer printout with a stamp and a seal on it, like a college transcript. There are many Americans willing to pay all the processing fees, even to pay Obama for his effort to request extra copies of his COLB. Instead Obama uses at least three law firms to defend all the lawsuits and to avoid presenting even a single physical copy of his COLB that he shows on his websites, mailed directly from the Hawaii state office.

Why do you people refuse to get a life?

Suki! Birth certificate issue is only a small symptom of the huge fraud behind Obama. People like to talk about it because it is easy to grasp. But eventually, all this fraud will collapse and you will never again have a chance to talk about Obama's birth certificate, it will be too late, you will be contronted with the real frauds that will make everbody forget who Obama is, much less his birth certificate

Why do you people refuse to get your heads out of the sand?

None are so blind as those who refuse to see.

Correct except for one thing, Tyron, a COLB is NOT valid proof. We want him to get the more expensive ($15.00), but legal, Birth Certificate.

Until we get the documents needed to prove his eligibility, COUNT ON IT!

It's not just the BC (Which IS forged) it's the college records, Selective Service documents (Also forged) and on and on. THE ONE is the only one who can make these issues disappear and he refuses.

To quote one of his idols, Malcom X, He will be stopped “By whatever mean necessary”.

The point of these suits is to follow the law of the land, namely The United States Constitution.

Obama and the DNC have brought this on themselves. This has been an issue since at least last February. Obama and his legal team have sealed all of his records. Three law firms (Not 3 Lawyers, 3 Law Firms!) showed up for Obama and the DNC in the Berg case to fight the case on the technical ground that a citizen cannot ask a candidate this question. To date Obama has spent over $800.000.00 to protect his past and the production of a $12.00 birth certificate.

There are now upwards of 30 law suits filed around the country, five to the Supreme Court. One filed in California Sacramento Superior Court Case 80000096 by Alan Keyes the Independent Party candidate that was on the ballot. As he was on the ballot he will not suffer the technical challenge of lack of standing.

Here is what the State of Hawaii says about the difference between a “CERTIFICATION” versus a “CERTIFICATE OF LIVE BIRTH”. The Certification is not good to prove where you are born and requires a person to sign a release and have the State produce a Certificate of Live Birth.

http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/appl…

“In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.”

The Certificate of Live Birth or Short Form Abstract is not evidence that Obama meets the natural born standard of the Constitution. Our friend Alferd and a group of others like Maineskeptic blog 24/7 about this topic and throw up the same BS. In fact, prior to 1972 anyone could walk in off the street in Hawaii and register the birth of a child just on their word. Obama has stated that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii. Obama could also have been born in Kenya and the original vault birth certificate could be issued by Kenya, and his mother registered Obama in Honolulu and the State of Hawaii would issue what Obama produced. That is the reason people need a certified copy of the birth certificate.

The Certificate of Live Birth, or short form birth abstract, is not good to obtain a drivers license, passport or many other items. All require a certified birth certificate. So, how hard is it to obtain a certified copy of a birth certificate. Obama would have to sign a release and send in $10.00. To date he has refused to do that and produce a copy of the certified birth certificate. Once that is produced it would name the hospital, doctors and witnesses who could then be contacted to verify the details of the birth. If the birth certificate says Obama was born at home or any place other than a hospital in Hawaii it would raise issues that would require further investigation.

Here is a Hawaii land program that shows how to obtain a certified copy of a birth certificate in Hawaii. Read pages 7-11:
http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/Loaa%20Ka%20A…

Here is the same form that is used today as the next response from the shills like Alf is that this is not valid anymore:
http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birt…

Here are the requirements for a drivers license in Hawaii note certified copy of birth certificate. The same applies if you go look at the passport requirements, federal jobs, etc.:
http://www.co.honolulu.hi.us/csd/vehicle/dlrequ…

Such a law would likely not be invalid as the issue. Like the Hawaii land program is not the birth but whether the birth qualifies one to either get land in Hawaii. In the case of a Presidential candidate whether they meet the natural born requirement. So the Short Form Birth Abstract is proof that Obama was born and there is likely no argument on that point. The question is where was he born. (Maybe Alf can post his bar license number so we can evaluate his ability to practice law.)

Oklahoma is also looking at a similar statute.

The plain fact is that Obama and the Democratic Party recognized a loop hole in the election process that no one takes responsibility for vetting candidates. Look at the ridiculous circular arguments that the 30 or 40 cases have come up with so far. In the Berg case, filed in Federal court, they ruled lack of standing but they also stated it should be filed in State Court. The State Courts have ruled lack of standing, but some have said it is a Federal matter. The Supreme Court has placed their heads up their backsides and refused to hear any of the cases to date.

New lawsuits are being filed. The Keyes case is progressing in Sacramento Superior Court and you can go to their website and enter 2008 and case number 80000096. Read the complaint which lays out the issues as to why the document produced by Obama is not valid. Also, Keyes attorney Gary Kreep has served a subpoena on Occidential College for Obama's school records. It will be interesting to see if Obama registered as a Muslim or a foreign national.

Keep in mind that this is not a Republican issue, this was first raised by Hillary and the Democrats as far back as February 2008. Obama and the Democratic Committee preferred to place the Country at risk over this issue rather than properly vet Obama. We still do not know if Obama is a natural born citizen and the press has whitewashed this issue and refused to even ask Obama.

This is a serious slap in the face to the American People and the Constitution. This issue is growing and will not go away. Hopefully the Keyes court will allow discovery to continue and order the documents produced to the court so that the evidence can be weighed and experts can then declare if Obama is or is not a natural born citizen. To date none of the cases have allowed any discovery.

You can also take the time to read the pro hac vice motion by Obama's attorney which states under penalty of perjury that he has been travelling the country fighting these cases.

So this article is not well done and tries to pooh pooh the issue as to questioning if the document produced by Obama is a forgery or not. That really does not matter. The issue is Obama needs to proudce a certified copy of the birth certificate, then the hospital, doctors and witnesses can be contacted to confirm that he was born in a hospital in Honolulu. If it does not then there is a problem that will require further inquiry. There are others that take a more narrow view of the natural born requirement, but for me I would like to see his certified birth certificate and see if it matches up with what he has said that he was born in a hospital in Hawaii.

John McCain was asked to provide his long form birth certificate to prove that he was born on American soil, which he promptly did. Why are some Obama supports getting so upset about Obama being asked to do the same?

If I were one of these supports, I would also be pushing for Obama to provide his long form birth certificate so the controversy would stop. These people’s animosity towards those that want very valid questions answered almost makes me think that they really do not believe that Obama is qualified either.

This is just more stupid right wing buffoonery. Maybe Obama's free mental health care will fix these poor deluded souls.

>Maybe Obama's free mental health care will fix these poor deluded souls.

The only deluded souls are those who try to come up with “arguments” that Obama was born in Hawaii. They claim that Obama's COLB on his websites shows he was born in Hawaii even though Obama refuses to provide a physical copy of his COLB. They claim that a Hawaii state official “confirmed” that Obama was born in Hawaii, even though no Hawaii official ever confirmed that Obama was born in Hawaii or confirmed any of the COLB images Obama posted on his websites. There are some discredited “news” organizations like Associated Press that spread lies and totally misrepresent what Hawaii officials said.

Oh, yes they do. It says so right on the COLB. It states “This copy shal serve as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.

The relevant Hawaiian Statutes:

§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.

(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

and

§338-19 Photostatic or typewritten copies of records. The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies. The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original.

So, yes. The COLB is indeed valid, leagal proof that Obama was born in Honolulul

If it is a fake, why didn't the Republican run state government of Hawaii expose it as a fake?????

Give it up, PR.

A million dollars, huh? B.S. you just pulled that number out of your ass, didn't you?

Of course they will. don't lie.

The State of Hawaii no longer issued the “long form” all birth data is entered into a databse and the COLB is printed from that database.

The COLB is a valid, legal document.

It says so right on the form.

This copy shall serve as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.

State law states: §338-19 Photostatic or typewritten copies of records. The department of health is authorized to prepare typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies of any records and files in its office, which by reason of age, usage, or otherwise are in such condition that they can no longer be conveniently consulted or used without danger of serious injury or destruction thereof, and to certify to the correctness of such copies. The typewritten, photostatic, or microphotographic copies shall be competent evidence in all courts of the State with like force and effect as the original.

You can't argue with that.

The Home lands program publication that you reference is 9 years out of date. The State no longer issues copies of the long form. Applicants for the program have to find other documentation that proves that they have 50% or greater native Hawaiian blood.

But they are so entertaining in their buffoonery.

What is the problem with providing proof that the Constituition says is needed?

Please explain.

I CAN'T WAIT UNTIL ALL THE NEOGHETTO FRAUD LOVING THUGS GATHER IN THE STREETS TO WITNESS THIS PIECE OF **** BOUNCING OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE ON HIS DUMBO EARS AND INTO JAIL AND HOPEFULL AFTER THAT DEPORTED BACK TO THE MUD HUT COUNTRY HE CAME FROM.
I CAN'T STAND LIES, FRAUD, AND DECEPTIVE THINGS BECOMING ACCEPTED.
I GUESS IT'S JUST LIKE ALL THE FAT *** PEOPLE WALKING AROUND IT BECOMES ACCEPTED.
SEEMS LIKE THE UGLIER,FATTER, AND MORE GHETTO YOU ARE THE MORE “IN” YOU ARE.
WELL HOPEFULLY SOMEONE WILL BREAK OUT THE UGLY/FAT STICK AND ALSO THE MORON STICK AND CLEAN UP THIS ONCE GREAT NATION AFTER WE GET THE HALFBREED DUMBO OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE.

Perhaps the most telling fact is that Obama's sister, who was born in Indonesia, also has a Hawaiin COLB.

Got proof of that???

Nope? didn't think so.

Typical republican dumbass.

He did. Why won't you accet the legal proof that has bee offered.

Please explain.

I thank the citizens portrayed in your “news placement” for the courage to stand up and ask the tough questions for all of us. While I at first may not have agreed I respect, and defend their right and obligation to do such.

Your news story content is rather disappointing and clearly not reflecting good journalism to say the least! I beg the MSM to serve the citizens and our country by digging into this critical issue. We desperately need subsequent rigorous reporting the facts as they lay out. From the brief scan of the international press we have a lot of very diverse legal activity in process concerning this issue including many Officers of our US Military up to SCOTUS! Further the SCOTUS has side stepped any position so far sighting standing. Well I venture the latest round of individuals has a lot of standing as injured parties.
Apparently this has flushed out Mr. Obama and his henchmen to go on the attack. However he has been reported to have made a grave error in tactics and strategy in doing so! Now given the approach of this “news placement” I ask Mr. Obama are you a Usurper or are you oiur POTUS? Yes or No?
Rule 5 for revolutionaries and radicals dedicates that a person that questions and or challenges (performing critical thinking) be marginalized and demonized. Further that the fundamental issue be distorted and reflected back inverted plus spin. Well this “news placement” is a classic case of such concerning those loyal American Citizens and citizens that subscribe to our Constitutional Republic with a representative democracy under the rule of law. Moreover subscribe to the constitutional requirements for POTUS. Have The MSM and Mr. Obama gone out of their way to game the game and behave in a passive aggressive manner since the primarily and general election refusing to provide the fundamental information?. Yes, has the juice may have been applied and the fix might be in with the ruling class? If yes that is not enough to halt this speculation or worst.. I continue to hope that he – Obama can get this issue out of the way following the rule of law and get on with the important duties of POTUS. However if he is not qualified and hence is in fact a Usurper then I suggest that he / Obama make a decision to depart the office of POTUS and save his country (I hope it is realy his country), party and congress at large the embarrassment of trials and hearings. That is he might decide for health reasons or what ever face saving story and just quietly leave. The wheels of justice grin rather slowly but they do grind exceeding fine. May God Bless America and give us strength to save our Republic with critical thinking under the rule of law and not the rule of men or bullets.

If the COLB who's image is available on-line is fake, why hasn't the State of Hawaii stepped up and said: “Hey that's a fake. It is against the law in Hawaii to alter or forge a certified state document.”

Stop with the wingnuttery. Give it up already.

I haven't seen it. I sure hope you don't mean the “photocopy” of the COLB from “Hawaii”, with pertinent info redacted out.

Don't be so testy.

And you still did not explain why providing proof seems to be such a problem.

Obama is more secretive than Bush and Cheney, combined. Obama is an evil usurper…..end of story. I will not call him”President”, because he is not our President. He is a liar, a fraud, and a mostrous phony. So, get ready America, cause you aint seen nuthin' yet!

Wingnuttery?

Why does something tell me that you believe the Texas Air National Guard documents Dan Rather tried to push over on us are real?

Well . . you can't really go that far.

He was duly elected by a majority of the people and electors, so he is the President of the U.S.

Yey! Hoorah for you!! You are so special.

You are the hero of the hour.

YEY. Let's hear it for Leartty. He saved the country.

Yea!!! Let's have a parade for him.

You are special.

(does that make you feel better?)

It was redacted at the states request to protect the file system of the state

Don't like it? take it up with Hawaii.

George,
Unofficial photocopies offered as proof on an unofficial website, from an unofficial source cannot be accepted as proof either in a court of law or in the court of public opinion. Photocopies can be altered or created out of whole cloth. No official proof of natural birth in the US has been submitted for inspection by a competant authority. Obama is an Attorney, he knows this, and the fact that he is stonewalling on this issue is prima facia evidense that he is hiding the facts surounding his birth status. Why? Obviously the information contained and the official document would damage him. All the more reason to have the official document inspected by a court. George, I suspect you are not an attorney and don't know what legal proof is. A photo copy (even if in color), is never legal proof of anything, much less an image posted on the internet by an unknown person.

Alferd,

You fail to understand that the COLB posted on the internet (even if real), doesn't give the name of the physician or the hospital that he was born in. A piece of paper is worthless if it doesn't give you the names and locations of witnesses that can be independantly verfied and deposed, so the COLB is worthless. The long form does give the name of the physician and the name of the hospital, so that document is only one that can be used as evidence in this case.

The Natural-Born requirement of a President written in the Constituion is a unique case to prove. We are not merely seeking proof of US citizenship, we are seeking proof of birth on US soil as the Constiution stipulates is required. No other job that I know of requires a person to be Natural-born on US soil, so nearly no one else ever needs to prove their Natural-born status.

Is it true that Barack Sr. was the gunman on the grassy knoll?

Alferd,
The photocopy is not evidence, since it is only a copy of an official document. It would only be accepted if it were recieved from an official source. The internet is not an official source. The State of Hawaii is an offical source, so unless a court of law, or congress, or a State Attorney General gets such a document in a sealed envelope from the State of Hawaii, its not official and not real. Any competent computer tech can create an image that looks just like the COLB we have seen. So THE IMAGE is not evidence of anything. It is easily a counterfeit.

Regardless, even a real COLB does not supply the information needed to verfy Obama's birth location and the names of witnesses like his physician and therefore the hospital records cannot be obtained to prove his birth on US soil because we don't yet now the name of the hospital he was born in, so until that time, we have to assume that such records do not exist, and his natural-born status cannot be verified.

“Other certifications, such as a certificate of live birth, shall not be accepted. ” is pretty stupid language since just about every birth certificate issued in the country is called a “certificate of live birth”. If this amendment were passed, I don't guess they will have anyone on the ballot. Hawaiian vault copies all say “Certificate of Live Birth” on them.

At that time American economy was real, so I guess a Negro had to shine somebody's shoes on a street corner. Only today, the economy is fake supported by enormous debt and labor from hard working Asians so that Negros can run and do whatever they want. But not for long! Chinese will arrive soon and take a long look at affirmative action diplomas of all Obamas, then wipe their asses with them, and ask all Obamas to shine the shoes again on street corners.

This language is only for those who have brains to understand it, for the slower types like you it means that a candidate will have to present a legitimate birth certificate and have the brains to understand all the requirements.

SEE the applicable Laws in the Obama Usurper controversy!
http://crisericson2010.blogspot.com

Obama fanatics love to defend Obama's “birth certificate” displayed on his websites. They should also display Obama's Magna honors from Harvard Law School where they claim Obama graduated in top 10%. HLS provides a proof of such honors but nobody ever saw Obama's. No paper published any mention of a Black graduating from HLS with Magna honors even though the smallest academic achievements of any Black were over-exagerated by Harvard liberal press at that time. All sources report that Obama was of mediocre intellect, low scores on SAT and LSAT, all his writings were shallow and labored.

As of last night I though that all of this stuff was just a conspiracy theory. But I spent a few minutes searching and it is now obvious that BO is an impostor. How did I determine this? Just read the constitution, and then go look at BO's OWN anti-smear web site, He does NOT even attempt to clarify the requests to prove he is a natural born citizen. He just provides a highly manipulative page that attempts to throw weak minded people off track by claiming that he is accused of not being American born. There is no discussion of the constitutional requirements, nothing about the foreign travel, nothing about the Indonesian education, nothing. Just a bunch of crap to give his followers something to hold on to. I can tell you as an aircraft mechanic I would long ago lost my licenses and went to jail if I could not comprehend things like this. BO does not answer the charges because he know that he is not a natural born citizen, and therefore he knows that he is not eligible.

For the same reason, US Supreme Court refuses to hear the case, all US courts refuse to hear the case, all mainstream media refuse to even mention this issue, all top Republicans run away from this issue. Total silence. All are afraid of those who did not vote for Obama, because they are the ones who pay taxes, have guns, populate the vast majority of US land, are the bedrock of this country. Nobody really cares about Obama or his “supporters” if even such supporters are even for real, Obama voters are mostly on government support, do not pay taxes, are concentrated in intercity slums. The only reason Obama got elected is big money. Keep in mind that Obama contributions were never made public and totally secret. Since the Wall Street is the biggest beneficiary of Obama presidency take a clue where his contributions came from.

Imo, in general your blogging has taken on a different slant than your last digs; a little less even-handed.

But dagnabit, I don't think you ever got the reaction from your birther posts like you get here! I'm lovin' it! Heck, I don't think anyone before posted straight up racial slurs.

Oh for you clowns saying that McCain had to show his birth certificate showing he was born on american soil, he didn't http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

(he was born on 'american soil' in a military hospital on a us base – the colon stuff is fake too. Regardless like Obama being born of a US parent is good enough. and while I'm add it the indonesia renouncing/abdicating stuff if bs too; if anything did happen he was underage at the time)
(actually prior to looking it up, I didn't know there was a small contingent of McCain birthers as well
see here: http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=1006… a mild case), and here: http://johnmccain.dominates.us/forum/viewtopic…. (for a more serious strain of this infection)

It is not a conspiracy theory when all of the facts involved are true and verified. It is called a REAL CONSPIRACY — just like Watergate, Iran-Contragate, and Rathergatewere REAL CONSPIRACIES.

It only takes two people to conspire, but the fact remains that there are a lot of players involved in putting a pretend President in office.

The image alleged to be a copy of Obama's original birth certificate is a stone-cold forgery of a Certification of Live Birth. That this image is a forgery is a fact that has not and can not be refuted by anyone. Some have tried, but all have failed.

However, it does show poeple just how depraved is this pretender President to resort to forging a government document and passing it off as his original birth certificate. The fact that it is a forged image is irrefutable, as well as the blindness of Obamanites who refuse to believe that their corrupt leader would ever lie to them. And, so, like lemmings they are being led off a cliff.

Thanks to the media and a nation of mallable minds, there are still millions of Americans who keep giving Obama approval ratings in the 60's while giving ratings in the 30's to the Democrat-controlled Congress. This disparity serves to underscore the disconnect between reality and fantasy, and between understanding how your government works, and not giving a sh*t.

The Obamatons can call us “birthers,” or whatever they like, but our eyes are wide open, and it up to us to save everyone's a**, including those who don't deserve it, by bringing the truth to light.

It has NOTHING to do with the COLB – be it forged or not. I belive he was born in Hawaii. I believe the COLB is real. But that doesn't change the fact that he is still NOT eligible to be POTUS because he is NOT a natural born citizen – BY HIS OWN ADMISSION.

His followers seem to think he is lying. They all keep trying to defend him, but he himself freely admits that he was born with dual-citizenships. A FACT that precludes him from being eligible to be POTUS since he was NOT a natural born citizen BY BIRTH.

It really is an easy concept. But if you keep trying to muddy the waters with the BC thing, then of course, you can try to keep the real issue hidden when it is in plain sight!

Dr. Conspiracy – you don't really believe that do you? Not really?!?!?!

The vault copy of a BC is not a COLB so why would it have that on it? Come on – that is just silly and even if you say it 1,000 times I don't believe you're going to get people to believe it.

No, there is no where to request the vault copy on the request form, there isn't in my state either. BUT – you can request your vault copy VERBALLY and receive it.

It has EVERYTHING to do with FACTS, including his COLB, real birth certificate, college records, full disclosure of his contribution money (you actually do not believe that millions of “small supporters” sent him the money), and many other facts. Whatever Obama admits is WORTHLESS until all documents are made public.

It's an open & shut case with or without any birth papers. His Father was NOT AN AMERICAN. His Father was a Kenyan! How would it be possible for his Father not to have given his new born son his Kenyan heritage? Look like some people think that just because this was 1961 and Black Men didn't have many rights in 1961, his Father's citizenship did not stand for anything. Well? Baby O was born a Brit and therefore not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of America. If his Mother had of been old enough she might have given him citizenship in America, but he would have still been a dual citizen. Dual citizens are not NATURAL BORN! The Obots elected a Brit! Now what?

Kolohe, His Father was NOT AN AMERICAN. We are not talking about whether BO is an American Citizen (he may or may not be). We are talking about whether he is a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN, with a Kenyan Father at birth he can not be NATURAL BORN, he had ties to Kenya, a foreign country under the British flag. Read what our founding fathers said back in letters between themselves back in 1775. They said, NO BRITS ALLOWED!

He NEVER published ANYTHING when he was in put in charge of the Harvard Law Review. Affirmative Action in action, again creating no action.

He was elected under false circumstances, therefore the whole Election was false. Biden is not number two after BO. We have to start over and hold a true and honest election. May the best AMERICAN win!

If that document is proven false, that would be Voter Fraud. Who is gonna look into this possible illegality?

Who was the first president who's dad was never a British Citizen? Lincoln? Johnson? (both dad's born in 1778 – after the declaration but before the consitution)

The first prez with a full fledged american cit dad was Grant (his dad born in 1794)

Both ancient and modern legal theory hold that the matrilineal line is generally more important anyway.

But y'all are crazy nuts so it doesn't really matter.

Leartty, you are SO special. What'e you event? The relay races? the 100 yard dash?

Yay for you!!!!

By the U.S. constitution, the State of Missouri can not pass laws that impact the validity of official certified documents issued by another state.

If he was born in this country then he is a natural born citizen no matter who his parents were. This is a long standing and well established legal principle.

If the COLB that Obama has presented is a forgery as you claim, it should be easy for the Hawaiian state registrar to confirm this by comparing the BC they have on file for Obama and the one posted on line. It is well within the duties and responsibilities of the registrar to do this since ALTERING A CERTIFIED DOCUMENT IS ILLEGAL IN HAWAII.

Why don't you call some hot shot republican district attorney to prosecute this fraud.

Go ahead. I dare you.

Or are you all internet talk and no action.

That goes for the rest of you birthers here.

Call your local Republican party office. Keep pushing on this.

you won't and you and I both know it because you are all a bunch of chicken guano losers.

Oh, B.S. You have been a birther for ages. Quit the lies.

Okay, genius, how do you propose that he post a physical document on a website?

Do you expect them to come to your freakin' door with the original? Is he supposed to visit every moron and lunatic dredged up by Orly “crackerjack-box law degree” Taitz?

You don't count. I don't count. Therefore, we get the digital scan of the document produced by the Hawaiian officials.

Credible legal authorities who count, who are few in number, can no doubt see the physical document.

Birthers are sooooo stupid.

So write to Hawaii and request an official verification. It's only $5. It will prove that Obama was born where he says he was born.

“Letters of Verification

Letters of verification may be issued in lieu of certified copies (HRS §338-14.3). This document verifies the existence of a birth/death/marriage/divorce certificate on file with the Department of Health and any other information that the applicant provides to be verified relating to the vital event. (For example, that a certain named individual was born on a certain date at a certain place.) The verification process will not, however, disclose information about the vital event contained within the certificate that is unknown to and not provided by the applicant in the request.

Letters of verification are requested in similar fashion and using the same request forms as for certified copies.

The fee for a letter of verification is $5 per letter.”

It's an open & shut case with or without any birth papers. His Father was NOT AN AMERICAN. His Father was a Kenyan! How would it be possible for his Father not to have given his new born son his Kenyan heritage? Look like some people think that just because this was 1961 and Black Men didn't have many rights in 1961, his Father's citizenship did not stand for anything. Well? Baby O was born a Brit and therefore not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN of America. If his Mother had of been old enough she might have given him citizenship in America, but he would have still been a dual citizen. Dual citizens are not NATURAL BORN! The Obots elected a Brit! Now what?

Kolohe, His Father was NOT AN AMERICAN. We are not talking about whether BO is an American Citizen (he may or may not be). We are talking about whether he is a NATURAL BORN AMERICAN, with a Kenyan Father at birth he can not be NATURAL BORN, he had ties to Kenya, a foreign country under the British flag. Read what our founding fathers said back in letters between themselves back in 1775. They said, NO BRITS ALLOWED!

He NEVER published ANYTHING when he was in put in charge of the Harvard Law Review. Affirmative Action in action, again creating no action.

He was elected under false circumstances, therefore the whole Election was false. Biden is not number two after BO. We have to start over and hold a true and honest election. May the best AMERICAN win!

If that document is proven false, that would be Voter Fraud. Who is gonna look into this possible illegality?

Who was the first president who's dad was never a British Citizen? Lincoln? Johnson? (both dad's born in 1778 – after the declaration but before the consitution)

The first prez with a full fledged american cit dad was Grant (his dad born in 1794)

Both ancient and modern legal theory hold that the matrilineal line is generally more important anyway.

But y'all are crazy nuts so it doesn't really matter.

Leartty, you are SO special. What'e you event? The relay races? the 100 yard dash?

Yay for you!!!!

By the U.S. constitution, the State of Missouri can not pass laws that impact the validity of official certified documents issued by another state.

If he was born in this country then he is a natural born citizen no matter who his parents were. This is a long standing and well established legal principle.

If the COLB that Obama has presented is a forgery as you claim, it should be easy for the Hawaiian state registrar to confirm this by comparing the BC they have on file for Obama and the one posted on line. It is well within the duties and responsibilities of the registrar to do this since ALTERING A CERTIFIED DOCUMENT IS ILLEGAL IN HAWAII.

Why don't you call some hot shot republican district attorney to prosecute this fraud.

Go ahead. I dare you.

Or are you all internet talk and no action.

That goes for the rest of you birthers here.

Call your local Republican party office. Keep pushing on this.

you won't and you and I both know it because you are all a bunch of chicken guano losers.

Oh, B.S. You have been a birther for ages. Quit the lies.

Okay, genius, how do you propose that he post a physical document on a website?

Do you expect them to come to your freakin' door with the original? Is he supposed to visit every moron and lunatic dredged up by Orly “crackerjack-box law degree” Taitz?

You don't count. I don't count. Therefore, we get the digital scan of the document produced by the Hawaiian officials.

Credible legal authorities who count, who are few in number, can no doubt see the physical document.

Birthers are sooooo stupid.