‘I Haven’t Seen Any Birth Certificate’

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Monday, February 23, 2009 at 9:10 am

Sen. Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) is getting heat today for his response to a question about President Obama’s citizenship, delivered to a conspiracy-minded citizen at a town hall meeting.

Well his father was Kenyan and they said he was born in Hawaii, but I haven’t seen any birth certificate. You have to be born in America to be president.

The senator’s office is explaining that Shelby “laid out the Constitutional qualifications for the Presidency and said that, while he hasn’t personally seen the President’s birth certificate, he is confident that the matter has been thoroughly examined.” The newspaper is standing by its account of the senator’s answer, which really did give the questioner some rope. After all, Shelby didn’t “personally see” George W. Bush’s birth certificate, either. He is able to see a 2007 Hawai’i document confirming that the president was born in Honolulu (not, as conspiracy theorists say, that he was born abroad and given a new Hawai’ian document when he returned home) and two 1961 newspaper announcements of the president’s birth.

Does Shelby deserve the (fairly low-level) heat he’s getting? Well, imagine if a Democrat (or Republican) had answered a 9/11 conspiracy question by saying “I’ve never seen proof of controlled demolitions, but they say the twin towers were brough down by crashing planes.” That would be giving the conspiracy theorists some ground.* Sure enough, some Obama “Birthers” are following up Shelby’s town hall statement by asking him to investigate the “controversy.”

*In this video, in which he’s hounded by 9/11 conspiracy theorists, Al Franken demonstrates how to blow off the questions and questioners.

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34 Comments

Capital G
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 6:56 am

I haven't see one either.

The COLB displayed on FactCheck.org is a document that could be obtained by anyone who registered their child's birth in Hawaii within the first year.

We have Obama's family in Kenya who has stated that Barack was born in Kenya.

I urge each of you to do your own research. Do not just take my word, do not take the word of the Obambots who claim the COLB is proof. The proof has not been provided.

Instead of smearing the people who are raising the question – ask why is this man who promised 'transparency' keeping information from the American public? No school records (which might reveal foreign student aid), one page of medical records, and he has hired 3 law firms to defend himself agains the many lawsuits that only seek the truth?

Wouldn't it be much easier, cheaper, and 'transparent' to just provide the proof of his Hawaii birth?

This issue is clearly NOT going away.


MaineSkeptic
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 9:32 am

Capital G said:

“The COLB displayed on FactCheck.org is a document that could be obtained by anyone who registered their child's birth in Hawaii within the first year.”

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This is nonsense. The document clearly states the “City, Town or Location of Birth” to be Honolulu. It is an official state document, which means that Hawaii stands behind its content.


Hawaiianstyle
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 10:06 am

I haven't seen yours either Senator.

Further you are a good example of the saying, “Its better to keep your mouth closed and have people suspect you are an idiot than open it and prove it.”

Actually you are my best advertisement. I have long said we need an intelligence test before electing a Senator. If that were the case we would not have you embarrassing our governmental processes.


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Dolores fleming
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 10:21 am

Obama was not born in Hawaii.Obama was born in Kenya and abandoned by his father in Indoneshia. It is said that Obama was adopted in Indoneshia 8000 miles from the United states.Our oun Supreme court knows this and has said that they will do nothing about it. Hell it angers me to no end that that Michelle Obama is sitting in the white house giving orders after saying in two of her speeches that all her adult life she was never proud of this country.I say run them bothout on a rail.Run them out of town.They are both fakes.


Randwulf
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 10:59 am

There is only one conspiracy surrounding this topic. That would be the one being used to KEEP the real document from becoming public. I wonder how the Supreme Cowards were blackmailed into going along with this?


BmcKay
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 11:05 am

drip…drip…DRIP… It's a comin' Barak.


southpaw
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 11:23 am

How many birth certificates of national politicians has Senator Shelby seen? Has anyone seen Senator Shelby's?


Dick Hertz
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 11:38 am

As long as paranoid schizophrenic racists continue to wave the flag that nothing is real if they don't want it to be, Obama will be as illegitimate as a president who was put in his position by a corrupt Supreme Court that canceled a legal election because it could hurt the boy king's feelings if the votes were counted and he lost. Luckily the second time he had people who could reset the computer to give the voting results he wanted in key states, thanks to Karl Rove and a series of mysteriously deceased computer experts.
See the difference? Republicans are corrupt in public. Obama would have to have magic powers or a time machine.


yerbrojoe@yahoo.com
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 1:18 pm

All they want to see is a $10 birth certificate! At least 5 congressmen have now signed onto a lawsuit requiring Obama to produce, birth records, college applications and passport records. Although the Senate had hearings during the primaries regarding John McCain's eligibility, they refused to verify Obama. Currently the president has only provided a short form certificate to a website, and not to any government verification agency. He has spent $1000000 hiding his past. An example of a short form certificate is the Hawaiian birth certificate of Sun Yat-Sen, the first president of the Republic of China, who's long form birth certificate shows him to be born in Guangdong, China He obtained the same kind of short form Hawaiian birth certificate as Obama which also states his place of birth as Honolulu, even though he didn't come to the US until he was 14. (Obama Family and Kenyan officials have given affidavits that he was born in Kenya, his mother wasn't old enough to confer any kind of US citizenship to him if this is true). We know Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, and records from his school list him as an Indonesian citizen. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. This required him to drop any other citizenship. As far as we know, unless he applied to become a naturalized US citizen when he became an adult, he is an Indonesian citizen still. As an Occidental college student, age 20, he traveled to Pakistan, which had closed it's borders to US citizens. The current court case requires Obama to open records he has meticulously sealed from public scrutiny, school admission records, passport records, and a long form birth certificate. Why spend a million dollars to hide something if you are 'transparent' and have nothing to hide?


MaineSkeptic
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 1:26 pm

You know, this is so chock full of ludicrous misinformation it may as well have been posted by an Obama supporter to make the Birthers look ridiculous.


Joe Bauers
Comment posted February 23, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

Um, there was a full investigation by mostly democrats of the 9/11 attacks. Shouldn't there be a full investigation of this if you want to use that as the comparison?


Bill G(not Gates)
Comment posted February 25, 2009 @ 8:00 am

The 2007 Hawaii document has the certificate number blacked out. If it is genuine, why would it be necessary to black out the number? Isn't the other information on the document more personal than the number? Doesn't the number authenticate the document? Without the number the document has no validity.


Leanne
Comment posted February 28, 2009 @ 2:22 pm

If you show me George Washington's birth certificate with itself number, you'll get your answer


Leanne
Comment posted February 28, 2009 @ 2:25 pm

I have not seen Clinton', Bush Sr's Regan's, Carter, Ford's Nixon's Johnson's, Kennedy's, Eisenhower's, Truman's, Roosvelt's birth certificates!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nor have i seen the the vault copy of George Washington's birh certificate!


rockman
Comment posted March 4, 2009 @ 11:26 am

Hey there's a document posted on a website. IT must be true. lol

sheeple.


polarik
Comment posted March 5, 2009 @ 5:21 am

If you, David Weigel, are so darn sure that the image posted on the Internet is a genuine “facsimile” of Obama's “original birth certificate”, and that Alvin Onaka verified that Obama was born in Hawaii, I have a $1,000 in my pocket that says you're totally clueless.

You're clueless because you cannot get your facts straight, and you're clueless because you blindly accept what others tell you. So far, i have yet to see you utter even one original word, whereas, your parroting of everything that others have said is impeccable. Anyone who knows how to cut-and-paste can do your job as well as you can.

NOBOBY in Hawaii's Department of Health has ever verified that Obama was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961. Good luck in trying to find actual evidence to support your empty accusations.


polarik
Comment posted March 5, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

If you, David Weigel, are so darn sure that the image posted on the Internet is a genuine “facsimile” of Obama's “original birth certificate”, and that Alvin Onaka verified that Obama was born in Hawaii, I have a $1,000 in my pocket that says you're totally clueless.

You're clueless because you cannot get your facts straight, and you're clueless because you blindly accept what others tell you. So far, i have yet to see you utter even one original word, whereas, your parroting of everything that others have said is impeccable. Anyone who knows how to cut-and-paste can do your job as well as you can.

NOBOBY in Hawaii's Department of Health has ever verified that Obama was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961. Good luck in trying to find actual evidence to support your empty accusations.


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Cowboy
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 1:26 am

Unfortunately, even Hawaii does not accept the alleged internet document as sufficient proof without further verification.

Probably because in Hawaii, parents were able to just tell Hawaiian authorities what the (alleged) facts of the birth were ,,,.


Cowboy
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 1:31 am

The Constitution did not require that George Washington be validated. Think about it… Who could be a 'natural born citizen of the US when the US did not exist prior to Washington's Presidency…

THINK… THEN post…


Cowboy
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 1:32 am

“As long as paranoid schizophrenic racists continue to wave the flag that nothing is real if they don't want it to be, Obama will be as illegitimate as a president who was put in his position by a corrupt Supreme Court that canceled a legal election because it could hurt the boy king's feelings if the votes were counted and he lost.'

LOL! You don't like facts much, do you?

The Supreme Court cancelled nothing. In fact, all it said was that all of the Florida recount ballots had to be counted the same way. How very unreasonable…


Cowboy
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 1:34 am

Actually, even Hawaiian government does not accept that 'short form' document as sufficient evidence without further verification.


Cowboy
Comment posted March 9, 2010 @ 1:37 am

“I have not seen Clinton', Bush Sr's Regan's, Carter, Ford's Nixon's Johnson's, Kennedy's, Eisenhower's, Truman's, Roosvelt's birth certificates!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

I bet you never actually looked for them…

“Nor have i seen the the vault copy of George Washington's birh certificate!”

How would Washington have been a 'natural born citizen' of the US when there was no US before his Presidency ???

THINK… THEN post…


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The Magic M
Comment posted January 6, 2011 @ 11:20 am

> because in Hawaii, parents were able to just tell Hawaiian authorities what the (alleged) facts of the birth were

And that doesn’t happen to be the case in other states as well? Eisenhower’s BC was issued to him 62 years after his birth, based solely on the statement of his mother where he was (allegedly) born.


The Magic M
Comment posted January 6, 2011 @ 11:20 am

> because in Hawaii, parents were able to just tell Hawaiian authorities what the (alleged) facts of the birth were

And that doesn’t happen to be the case in other states as well? Eisenhower’s BC was issued to him 62 years after his birth, based solely on the statement of his mother where he was (allegedly) born.


Themagicm
Comment posted January 6, 2011 @ 11:24 am

> I bet you never actually looked for them.

So where are they, then? Only Reagan’s is at display.

Besides, if I apply your birther logic, I do not have to “look for them”, they were obliged to publish them!


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