Comments on: How to Game the F-22 Fight http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight National News in Context Sun, 04 Mar 2012 13:30:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: More on the F-22 « Later On http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight/comment-page-1#comment-19921 More on the F-22 « Later On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:46:12 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=30483#comment-19921 [...] Spencer Ackerman writes in the Washington Independent: If you want to read a scathing attack on the F-22 fighter jet, make sure to check out this piece at DODBuzz, co-written by retired Air Force Col. Robert Dilger [...] [...] Spencer Ackerman writes in the Washington Independent: If you want to read a scathing attack on the F-22 fighter jet, make sure to check out this piece at DODBuzz, co-written by retired Air Force Col. Robert Dilger [...]

]]> By: steve weir http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight/comment-page-1#comment-35267 steve weir Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:03:13 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=30483#comment-35267 I'd like to make a comment on this article: I'm from Sydney, Australia.<br> An aspect of this debate which Americans seems to be oblivious to is a psychological one - the US is in a financial crisis, a crisis affecting most of the developed world. This crisis has been described as an erosion of confidence. The US sees its pre eminent position in the world being gradually eroded by the growth of China, Russia, India etc, especially in the military sphere. The F22 is the very pinnacle of technological and military power and is an important asset to the US both in practical strategic terms as well as to project the demenour of power. The implementation of the F22 program and the rollout of the full compliment is not only strategically necessary to maintain air superiority,. it is also important for the overall confidence of the American psyche. I would also stress that the ban on export sales to close Allies is very retrograde and damaging. The US should equip close allies like Australia with the F22 to both increase the strategic military footprint of the US and its sphere of influence. Witholding the F22 is a big mistake. The Russians share no such qualms with their military technology and beside earning vast amounts of money, are extending their power and prestige greatly by exporting state of the art fighter aircraft.<br>As a matter of urgency the US must invest in the full production of the F22 and also sell it to close allies like Australia and Japan. If this is done it will have such a positive effect on the US economy and psyche that it will easily pay for itself. I'd like to make a comment on this article: I'm from Sydney, Australia.
An aspect of this debate which Americans seems to be oblivious to is a psychological one – the US is in a financial crisis, a crisis affecting most of the developed world. This crisis has been described as an erosion of confidence. The US sees its pre eminent position in the world being gradually eroded by the growth of China, Russia, India etc, especially in the military sphere. The F22 is the very pinnacle of technological and military power and is an important asset to the US both in practical strategic terms as well as to project the demenour of power. The implementation of the F22 program and the rollout of the full compliment is not only strategically necessary to maintain air superiority,. it is also important for the overall confidence of the American psyche. I would also stress that the ban on export sales to close Allies is very retrograde and damaging. The US should equip close allies like Australia with the F22 to both increase the strategic military footprint of the US and its sphere of influence. Witholding the F22 is a big mistake. The Russians share no such qualms with their military technology and beside earning vast amounts of money, are extending their power and prestige greatly by exporting state of the art fighter aircraft.
As a matter of urgency the US must invest in the full production of the F22 and also sell it to close allies like Australia and Japan. If this is done it will have such a positive effect on the US economy and psyche that it will easily pay for itself.

]]> By: steve weir http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight/comment-page-1#comment-19398 steve weir Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:03:13 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=30483#comment-19398 I'd like to make a comment on this article: I'm from Sydney, Australia.<br> An aspect of this debate which Americans seems to be oblivious to is a psychological one - the US is in a financial crisis, a crisis affecting most of the developed world. This crisis has been described as an erosion of confidence. The US sees its pre eminent position in the world being gradually eroded by the growth of China, Russia, India etc, especially in the military sphere. The F22 is the very pinnacle of technological and military power and is an important asset to the US both in practical strategic terms as well as to project the demenour of power. The implementation of the F22 program and the rollout of the full compliment is not only strategically necessary to maintain air superiority,. it is also important for the overall confidence of the American psyche. I would also stress that the ban on export sales to close Allies is very retrograde and damaging. The US should equip close allies like Australia with the F22 to both increase the strategic military footprint of the US and its sphere of influence. Witholding the F22 is a big mistake. The Russians share no such qualms with their military technology and beside earning vast amounts of money, are extending their power and prestige greatly by exporting state of the art fighter aircraft.<br>As a matter of urgency the US must invest in the full production of the F22 and also sell it to close allies like Australia and Japan. If this is done it will have such a positive effect on the US economy and psyche that it will easily pay for itself. I'd like to make a comment on this article: I'm from Sydney, Australia.
An aspect of this debate which Americans seems to be oblivious to is a psychological one – the US is in a financial crisis, a crisis affecting most of the developed world. This crisis has been described as an erosion of confidence. The US sees its pre eminent position in the world being gradually eroded by the growth of China, Russia, India etc, especially in the military sphere. The F22 is the very pinnacle of technological and military power and is an important asset to the US both in practical strategic terms as well as to project the demenour of power. The implementation of the F22 program and the rollout of the full compliment is not only strategically necessary to maintain air superiority,. it is also important for the overall confidence of the American psyche. I would also stress that the ban on export sales to close Allies is very retrograde and damaging. The US should equip close allies like Australia with the F22 to both increase the strategic military footprint of the US and its sphere of influence. Witholding the F22 is a big mistake. The Russians share no such qualms with their military technology and beside earning vast amounts of money, are extending their power and prestige greatly by exporting state of the art fighter aircraft.
As a matter of urgency the US must invest in the full production of the F22 and also sell it to close allies like Australia and Japan. If this is done it will have such a positive effect on the US economy and psyche that it will easily pay for itself.

]]> By: Test Multi-links « Publish2 Test Blog http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight/comment-page-1#comment-19095 Test Multi-links « Publish2 Test Blog Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:45:55 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=30483#comment-19095 [...] How to Game the F-22 Fight And here’s the corrective to Mark Bowden’s story on the F-22. [...] [...] How to Game the F-22 Fight And here’s the corrective to Mark Bowden’s story on the F-22. [...]

]]> By: Larry http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight/comment-page-1#comment-18703 Larry Thu, 19 Feb 2009 11:57:45 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=30483#comment-18703 Why are we building more submarines, primarily because they are the dominant warfighting instrument of the sea today. Primarily because the Chinese are rapidly catching up to us both quantitatively and qualitatively under the sea. Primarily because they are the most effective threat to submarines that might want to threaten our aircraft carriers. It's only because of our two generation technology advantage over the rest of the world that we don't have to worry about actually sinking the rest of the worlds' navies. Why are we building more submarines, primarily because they are the dominant warfighting instrument of the sea today. Primarily because the Chinese are rapidly catching up to us both quantitatively and qualitatively under the sea. Primarily because they are the most effective threat to submarines that might want to threaten our aircraft carriers. It's only because of our two generation technology advantage over the rest of the world that we don't have to worry about actually sinking the rest of the worlds' navies.

]]> By: Skeptic http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight/comment-page-1#comment-18686 Skeptic Thu, 19 Feb 2009 01:26:00 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=30483#comment-18686 That's a good point. Why ARE we building more submarines? To sink the Imperial Japanese Navy all over again? Or to keep Joe Lieberman happy?<br><br>This is not just a question about whether these weapons are actually needed, but also about opportunity costs: What do we NOT have because we are buying these expensive weapons for a possible future war? Perhaps we should put the money into a larger Army? How about more training and professional military education? How about better benefits for wounded veterans? One F-22 could probably buy a whole lot of assistance for the families of those veterans. But I guess that would be socialism. That's a good point. Why ARE we building more submarines? To sink the Imperial Japanese Navy all over again? Or to keep Joe Lieberman happy?

This is not just a question about whether these weapons are actually needed, but also about opportunity costs: What do we NOT have because we are buying these expensive weapons for a possible future war? Perhaps we should put the money into a larger Army? How about more training and professional military education? How about better benefits for wounded veterans? One F-22 could probably buy a whole lot of assistance for the families of those veterans. But I guess that would be socialism.

]]> By: carr1on http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight/comment-page-1#comment-18663 carr1on Wed, 18 Feb 2009 19:20:01 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=30483#comment-18663 I think the F-22 is a great plane. I also think it is way too expensive. You guys should read Mark Bowden's account of the challenge our pilots took this last summer in the India COPE exercises. India, using older Russion jets costing literally under a million dollars per, were able to compete and in some cases beat our front line planes. <br>The point is that the rest of the world is looking to cheaper air platforms that can be juiced up with readily available avionics, radars, and weapon systems. Then here we come with a ridiculously priced $183MM per airplane. Is it better? Sure it is. But at that ridiculous cost point? How many more F-16s could we build? Or [insert otherplane name here]? I think the F-22 is a great plane. I also think it is way too expensive. You guys should read Mark Bowden's account of the challenge our pilots took this last summer in the India COPE exercises. India, using older Russion jets costing literally under a million dollars per, were able to compete and in some cases beat our front line planes.
The point is that the rest of the world is looking to cheaper air platforms that can be juiced up with readily available avionics, radars, and weapon systems. Then here we come with a ridiculously priced $183MM per airplane. Is it better? Sure it is. But at that ridiculous cost point? How many more F-16s could we build? Or [insert otherplane name here]?

]]> By: JW http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight/comment-page-1#comment-18660 JW Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:48:49 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=30483#comment-18660 We're not using our submarines or our anti-aircraft weaponry in either Iraq or Afghanistan either... I presume Ackerman thinks that we should probably scrap any procurement programs to update those systems too. We're not using our submarines or our anti-aircraft weaponry in either Iraq or Afghanistan either… I presume Ackerman thinks that we should probably scrap any procurement programs to update those systems too.

]]> By: Alfred Mahan http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight/comment-page-1#comment-18655 Alfred Mahan Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:10:57 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=30483#comment-18655 I agree we can pass up the additional F-22's - because we need more battleships for the USN. We have not added any new BBs since WW2. Clearly, we need more now. I believe we can and should ignore this so-called "global financial crisis". If there is a complete collapse in the economy, at least we'll have the battleships. I think everyone will draw great comfort from that. I agree we can pass up the additional F-22's – because we need more battleships for the USN. We have not added any new BBs since WW2. Clearly, we need more now. I believe we can and should ignore this so-called “global financial crisis”. If there is a complete collapse in the economy, at least we'll have the battleships. I think everyone will draw great comfort from that.

]]> By: Veterans For America » News Analysis: February 18, 2009 http://washingtonindependent.com/30483/how-to-game-the-f-22-fight/comment-page-1#comment-18626 Veterans For America » News Analysis: February 18, 2009 Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:38:13 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=30483#comment-18626 [...] of our injured troops and recovering veterans could we help instead of buying even one more F-22? Will this be sold to us as jobs program, when what is needed is better care for our war-weary troops and help for their deployment-strained [...] [...] of our injured troops and recovering veterans could we help instead of buying even one more F-22? Will this be sold to us as jobs program, when what is needed is better care for our war-weary troops and help for their deployment-strained [...]

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