The Pressure’s On: Obama DOJ to Argue ‘State Secrets’ Case Monday

Has everyone just lost their minds in the mainstream media? Is the 'idea' of a perfect democratic society become such a delusion that people are willing to forget that we live in an imperfect and extremely dangerous world. All it will take, God forbid, is for one preventable terrorist attack to occur by an Islamic extremist 'enemy combatant' for the public to wake up to this reality. Are American lives really worth the risk?? Sacrificing homeland security on the altar of naieve, unbridled idealism is foolishness we can't afford at any juncture in American history.

Bush et al should be wearing orange jumpsuits. A working-class person like me would be jailed for stealing a loaf of bread. Our system is teetering on the brink of illegitimacy.

If our country isn't the land of the free, what makes you want to fight so hard for it?

Couldn't agree more with you. And now that the Obama administration is governing, not campaigning, he will see the need for CIA.

Giving people their day in court is certainly not a “perfect democratic society,” and democracy is not an unattainable utopian ideal. We already had a “preventable terrorist attack” by “an Islamic extremist 'enemy combatant'” on 9/11/2001, and yet we the people still want to give everyone their day in court. If this country were run by a fascist government that did not recognize and protect equal rights, and did not give everyone, citizen or not, some amount of respect as a human being, then there would be a great many more terrorist attacks, and most of them by citizens justly overthrowing such a government. Yes, if American lives are worth going to Afghanistan and Iraq, they are certainly worth your imagined “risk” to give everyone their day in court, since the risk to their lives is actually lower than the alternative scenario. Stop living in fear. It makes you look weak and pathetic.

Dorin,

Why does asserting “state secrets” (which is unconstitutional) in a case where the Government essentially created an illegal network of prisons where ANYBODY – including Americans – could be secretly detained and tortured make us safe? That's the very definition of a tyrannical government. Your support for it is the real naivete – if it's not an outright admission of your fascist politics. And why the hell do you feel the need to list your MD and MBA on an anonymous message board? You pretentious f__k. You don't deserve the Liberty our Founders gave us. Get the f__k out of America – I suggest Belarus or somewhere you'll be more comfortable with a unitary executive that is free to deprive your Liberty without due process.

“Those who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.” -Ben Franklin

“And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” -Thomas Jefferson

He wouldn't fight for it. A tyrannical government could create a fear of goldfish and he'd be willing to give it unlimited power to fight the evil beasts.

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Pardon me for interrupting your nightmare, but there is no such thing as a preventable terrorist attack – it sounds more like an oxymoron. It's a figment of unchecked imagination. That's because any disaster can be attributed to being a terrorist attack. I'm surprised no one has yet to claim those geese that flew into the engine intakes of Cactus 1549 were under the direct control of an Al Quida terrorist cell operating near La Guardia. By the way, God doesn't forbid anything. If he did, this would be a different world.

Has everyone just lost their minds in the mainstream media? Is the 'idea' of a perfect democratic society become such a delusion that people are willing to forget that we live in an imperfect and extremely dangerous world. All it will take, God forbid, is for one preventable terrorist attack to occur by an Islamic extremist 'enemy combatant' for the public to wake up to this reality. Are American lives really worth the risk?? Sacrificing homeland security on the altar of naieve, unbridled idealism is foolishness we can't afford at any juncture in American history.

Bush et al should be wearing orange jumpsuits. A working-class person like me would be jailed for stealing a loaf of bread. Our system is teetering on the brink of illegitimacy.

If our country isn't the land of the free, what makes you want to fight so hard for it?

Couldn't agree more with you. And now that the Obama administration is governing, not campaigning, he will see the need for CIA.

Giving people their day in court is certainly not a “perfect democratic society,” and democracy is not an unattainable utopian ideal. We already had a “preventable terrorist attack” by “an Islamic extremist 'enemy combatant'” on 9/11/2001, and yet we the people still want to give everyone their day in court. If this country were run by a fascist government that did not recognize and protect equal rights, and did not give everyone, citizen or not, some amount of respect as a human being, then there would be a great many more terrorist attacks, and most of them by citizens justly overthrowing such a government. Yes, if American lives are worth going to Afghanistan and Iraq, they are certainly worth your imagined “risk” to give everyone their day in court, since the risk to their lives is actually lower than the alternative scenario. Stop living in fear. It makes you look weak and pathetic.

Dorin,

Why does asserting “state secrets” (which is unconstitutional) in a case where the Government essentially created an illegal network of prisons where ANYBODY – including Americans – could be secretly detained and tortured make us safe? That's the very definition of a tyrannical government. Your support for it is the real naivete – if it's not an outright admission of your fascist politics. And why the hell do you feel the need to list your MD and MBA on an anonymous message board? You pretentious f__k. You don't deserve the Liberty our Founders gave us. Get the f__k out of America – I suggest Belarus or somewhere you'll be more comfortable with a unitary executive that is free to deprive your Liberty without due process.

“Those who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.” -Ben Franklin

“And what country can preserve its liberties, if it's rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure.” -Thomas Jefferson

He wouldn't fight for it. A tyrannical government could create a fear of goldfish and he'd be willing to give it unlimited power to fight the evil beasts.

[...] in Daily life, Democrats, Government, Law, Obama administration at 9:05 am by LeisureGuy Daphne Eviatar in the Washington Independent: President Obama and new Attorney General Eric Holder Monday will face the first public test of [...]

Pardon me for interrupting your nightmare, but there is no such thing as a preventable terrorist attack – it sounds more like an oxymoron. It's a figment of unchecked imagination. That's because any disaster can be attributed to being a terrorist attack. I'm surprised no one has yet to claim those geese that flew into the engine intakes of Cactus 1549 were under the direct control of an Al Quida terrorist cell operating near La Guardia. By the way, God doesn't forbid anything. If he did, this would be a different world.