1993 All Over Again?

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Thursday, January 29, 2009 at 6:03 am

One of the goals of the unanimous Republican “no” vote on the stimulus package Wednesday was producing news analyses like this one, from The New York Times.

The failure to win Republican support in the House seemed to echo the early months of the last Democratic administration, when President Bill Clinton in 1993 had to rely solely on Democrats to win passage of a deficit-reduction bill that was a signature element of his presidency.

And we all know what happened in 1994. Still, I don’t think the analogy holds up.

1. The Obama stimulus package is popular. A May 25, 1993 Gallup poll pegged support for Clinton’s plan at 44 percent, and opposition at 45 percent. The Democratic House narrowly supported the plan two days later. But the final Gallup poll before yesterday’s House vote put support for President Obama’s plan at 52 percent, with opposition at only 37 percent. Even a flawed Republican poll on the stimulus (which suggests that tax cuts are more popular than spending, ignoring the fact that the stimulus includes both) revealed that most voters, panicking about the economy, support the stimulus package.

2. Clinton wasn’t popular; Obama is. As Michael Crowley points out, Clinton was already reeling from scandals and missteps by May 1993, when the budget vote was held. His popularity had dipped below 50 percent, and in some polls his net approval rating had inched into negative territory. Clinton’s Democrats were less popular than Obama’s Democrats—while Clinton was beating President George H.W. Bush, the party was losing seats in the House Banking Scandal backlash. Obama is cresting in the mid-60s or low-70s, depending on the poll, the Democrats have gained ground in two consecutive elections, and voter identification with the Democrats is soaring.

3. The Clinton budget raised taxes; the Obama stimulus doesn’t. I think this is the most important distinction. The Clinton budget reconciliation increased income taxes, raised the corporate tax rate to 35 percent, and raised the gas tax by 4.3 cents per gallon. Basically, every American paid more taxes after the budget was passed. The Obama stimulus package doesn’t raise anyone’s taxes. It includes $275 billion of tax cuts. Are they poorly designed? Arguably. But they’re tax cuts! I literally cannot remember a time when the entire Republican conference in either house voted against tax cuts. In that Republican poll mentioned above, upwards of 60 percent of voters want tax cuts right now.

The Republican strategy here is incredibly bold. The party’s betting against Obama’s current popularity and against the chance of an economic recovery by 2010 (or 2012), having done very little work convincing Americans that the stimulus tax rebates amount to “welfare” (one popular argument) or that, after eight years of deficit spending, voters should worry about the cost of this bill. I’m skeptical about the political oomph of attacking “wasteful spending,” even though (in a growing economy, at least) it makes more sense than endless tax cuts. But maybe the strategy will pay off. Or maybe putting 177 Republicans on record against tax cuts will come back to hurt them. We’ll find out.

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252 Comments

CAPearl
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:31 am

Everyone says Obama's stimulus plan has tax cuts in it. But to this date, I haven't seen anything that looks like a tax cut! I've seen tons of spending on ridiculous things like 335 million dollars on condoms and millions on abortion, but tax cuts???? NADA! Would someone please put in print what those tax cuts are? And are they on going or just a one time deal?


Muffler
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:37 am

CAPearl – Why do you just synch back the talking points. Are you waiting for someone to digest and then read you the legislation. I'm not a fan of 800 Billion dollar packages, but I do believe that we don't read our legislation and ask questions. The 355 million dollars was NOT for condoms. It was to help the states meet the cost of some family planning services in an attempt to reduce unwanted pregnancies and probably abortions. These services are expected to be cut due to budget shortages. So read and understand. By the way, you see the culture war here. Your so mad at 355 million dollars on “condoms and abortions” that you have absolutely no idea how the other 745 billion is being spent. Magic!


CAPearl
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:39 am

Wait . . . I found it! Obama is going to give workers a whopping $500 tax credit. WOW! I think we've done that already. The rest of the huge 800 billion dollar “stimulus” bill is going to state governments and special pork projects of the democrats. What a waste! Not only will this stimulus bill not revive the economy but we, the regular working people, are going to have to shell out more money than we receive. People don't buy into the hype. Reject this package until they put a better package together.


CAPearl
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:40 am

To Muffler,
You still don't get it. The “stimulus” bill is suppose to revive the economy, not the state governments. I'm looking for something that will help me find a job, since my job went overseas. I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say “talking points.” I've been hoping that Obama really meant what he said when he said tax cuts for people like me. I'm extremely disappointed with this package and think our representatives could do a whole lot better. Giving my state more money isn't going to put food on my table or clothes on my children!


Seitz
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:59 am

**I literally cannot remember a time when the entire Republican conference in either house voted against tax cuts.**

David, you're not thinking like a campaigner. They didn't vote *against* tax cuts. They voted *in favor* of higher taxes. Or at least, that's what the Republicans told me the Democrats did every time they voted against a bill that included tax cuts over the last eight years.


Persia
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 8:04 am

I hate to interrupt your cascade for talking points, but state governments are the ones to money for school construction and infrastructure improvements. They also provide jobs directly. I'm boggled at what “stimulus” is supposed to mean to conservatives, as tax cuts clearly don't stimulate a damn thing, and creating jobs apparently doesn't qualify in your eyes either.


Rick Calvert
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 8:09 am

The bill is popular simply because Obama is popular and the MSM has not properly scrutinized it. The problem is Obama didn’t write this bill, Nancy Pelosi and her fellow idiots did. If Obama had I am guessing it would be a better bill.

Now that the GOP has unanimously opposed it the MSM will cover it more thoroughly, how thoroughly is yet to be seen but I am pretty sure the more people know about this bill the less popular it will be.

This was a political move by the GOP but for once the politics and the peoples best interest are in line here.


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iBrains
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 8:33 am

Well here we go again. Let's really remember how things unfolded. We passed one of the biggest Tax Cuts in the first year of the Bush Presidency. It had all the goodies – lower corporate taxes, lower capital gains rates, lower dividend tax rates, and the good old trickle down cuts for the super rich so that they would invest in businesses and create more jobs. Let's not forget that only 2.5 million jobs were created in the first 7 years of the Bush presidency (which were all lost in 2008). Most of these, in hindsight came on the back of the housing boom. We all now know, that was a mirage. A house of cards – sort off.

What pulled us out of the recession was not the tax cuts but the spending fueled by the low interest rates and the artificial creation of equity in the housing bubble. The tax cuts alone would have never gotten us out of the first recession and neither will it out of this one, considering this is far worst then anything Bush inherited in 2000. We tried the “other” approach for 8 years and as Bush would say – fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice; well if you fool me I will not believe you (or something just as incoherent).


Joe
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 8:43 am

Bush's eight years of tax cuts to the wealthy and corporate loopholes are part of the reason we are in this financial mess. As usual, the GOP still continues to play politics during the time hundreds of thousands are losing their jobs. Very typical. If the GOP continues to be obstructionists to any plan that can help our struggling economy, they will lose.


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SillyGIt
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:04 am

You should spend some time reading the actual bill instead of listening to propaganda from the usual cast of misinformation dispensers. They play too many Americans just like the rubes that they are and convince them to vote against their own best interests. Wake up and smell the depression.


muck-raker
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:10 am

Lets jail all of the people that put us in this position…Bob Ruben and all of our legislators voted to repeal the “Glass-Steagel act” which is what is causing many say the NEW DEPRESSION. Our legistors take big money from K street Lobbyist and AIPAC to vote in the things THEY should know will hurt the public in the long run….but do they care? The above will give back the thought that American Govt can still work…as of now it is corrupt and the PEOPLE KNOW IT.


mikesmilestoday
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:18 am

The thing that bothers me about this is that it is more government spending for government. If we want to stimulate the taxpayers economy, then hire the taxpayers to do the work for the taxpayers. Every time we create a new program that hires people or purchases equipment for the government we take a job away from a taxpaying contractor.
An example would be: snowplowing – instead of using taxpayers dollars to hire employees, purchase brand new payloaders and snowblowers and trucks, maintenance garages, tires, and fuel(all without tax) we should pay a contractor to do the job and he will hire employees, purchase payloaders and snowblowers and trucks (and pay taxes on all of it). And if he makes a profit he will pay taxes on that.
This is how you stimulate our economy – not by throwing my hard earned and then extracted tax dollar around at other taxpayer sponsored programs.

The list of similar circumstances that we could change is almost endless. Small business drives our economy better than anything we have been able to dream up – we should support it every way we can.


Stephanie
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:19 am

You are 100% percent correct. The problem is though when you expand on government any calls to cut spending are argued with “well what about all the government layoffs?”

I am with you though; hire locally, and then you won't have people standing around until 4:30 so they can get overtime.


ana
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:22 am

A lot of states are not legally able to spend any money when they are in the red.
So I hope you hate unemployment benefits, schools, roads, and the prospect of getting a state job, because they are ALL out the window when the states stop making money.


Bob A Ganoush
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:23 am

Sure didn't take any debate or difficulty to bail out the billionaire bankers.


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Nicholasjh
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:39 am

Not only that, but the family planning budget will greatly reduce emergency medical cost when all these new births happen, unfortunately Obama had that portion removed from the bill, since removing it will actually cost more… then again if removing it keeps the hospitals busy I do suppose that will create jobs…..


Chance
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:41 am

Actually, that's not accurate. It's not work for the government, and it doesn't take away from private sector initiatives. If you look at what they're spending money on, infrastructure, transportation, energy grid, etc., these are things for which there is no private sector interest. In addition, even the places where we could use the private sector to fix problems: the private sector doesn't have any capital. Period. No one can get loans to create new business. The ultimate problem is that the private sector is completely frozen right now. To add to that, the consumers have very little money in their pocket, and therefore, very little to spend on private sector goods and services. Supply side economics is not the way to solve the problem. The way to solve the problem is to create jobs quickly (even if many of them are government funded), and combine that with tax cuts specifically to people who need them and who will spend them, and then also pay for some of the costs usually paid for by workign families (education, health care, etc.) so that they don't have to use all of their money for those things, and can instead use the paychecks they will now be receiving for spending on goods and services in the private sector. This will get the private sector moving again, and the investment money will come back into the private sector as well because investors will have the confidence to invest in companies who now have consumers with money to spend on their products.


underdown
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:43 am

I think public opinion is against your analysis:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/…


Barry
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:51 am

They're probably figuring that, if there is enough of a recovery by fall 2010 to count as one in most people's personal lives, then the Democrats do well in the mid-terms, regarldess of how the GOP voted. If the economy still s*cks by fall 2010, then the GOP will probably pick up a large number of seat. And that the GOP benefits by making sure that the economy still s*cks by fall 2010.


SteveK9
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 9:58 am

This was a useful exercise. Obama can completely ignore these clowns now. He didn't just pretend to work with them, he did. Changing the package to some extent (eliminating some popular Democratic ideas and putting in some tax cuts for individuals and businesses) and got NOTHING, not one vote. Do they think they won the election? Advice to Obama: do not waste even one minute of your precious time on these morons. It's clear you will have to do it without them.


Bruce
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 10:27 am

Since this is a “package deal” already, it appears that you have chosen to spin the Republican vote as voting against tax cuts. How about voting against more government spending, or voting against something that just is not going to work? Have you even considered these scenarios?


Dtownla
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 10:42 am

America has woken up to see Republicans as the fail clowns they have always been. Just in the nick of time.


doober
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 10:47 am

It looks to me that rather than us selling Democracy to the Arabs they have sold their corrupt method of government and doing business to us..

The Arab nations are built on corruption and bribery and have been for years..It is a normal way of doing business and running a government..Have you noticed that bribery and corruption have been creeping into our corporations and government lately..

If big corporations find that they have to use bribery and corruption in the Arab countries in order to do business don’t you think they will bring this method home and try to use it here in our socalled Democracy..

I think in Neocon no regulation Capitalism that we have at present is a great breeding ground to use methods that they find to work in the
Arab Countries..

Therefore rather than us selling Democracy to the Arabs they have sold us their method of doing things which is bribery and corruption..Have you noticed it..I have..

Necessary Socialism but not necessarily Socialism.Since Socialism is a dirty word here maybe we could call it” Regulated Capitalism”


A-Train
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 10:47 am

After eight years of deficit spending why are Republicans suddenly so concerned about going into the red. they got us into this mess in the first place with deregulation, an expensive and unnecessary war and huge tax cuts unsupported by reduced spending. Forgive me if I don't buy their fiscal conservation pleas in 2009.


RB
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 10:57 am

I would argue that some things are better being run by a governmental agency. I don’t believe that private for-profit companies always do things more efficiently or cheaper.

Let us take support services for the military in war theaters. We are paying KBR billions to install faulty electricity that is killing soldiers in the shower and to supply polluted water for our troops to drink. It is not cheaper and there is no recourse.

Another place I am against contracting out is law enforcement such as Red Light Traffic Cameras. Now I have no problem with the cameras as such but if you cheat a red light in the middle of the night when no one is around just how big of a deal is it? But the problem I have is the companies that run these cameras set them up and maintain them, send the citation, collect the fine and finally send a portion of the money to the municipality. But these companies are taking most of the money out of the district and maybe even the state. And citizens are limited in their ability to object.

One last though, Child Support. I live in Illinois and my wife gets child support for her daughter. It is handled by a Private Company. There are always problems, little visibility and almost no response to questions. It is simply another layer of bureaucracy that also has a profit motive.


MVH
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 11:32 am

I was a Republican for a long time but no more. They are idiots but so is Nancy Pelosi of the frozen face. I am now an Independent. I wouldn't be a Democrat for anything, unless Obama continues to show his mettle.


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doober
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 11:43 am

Most world economies have gone from Manufacturing, Producing and Innovation to pushing money and paper around on Wallstreet and that in my opinion is why we are in the mess we are in today..

There are two exceptions to this rule in China and India who have continued to manufacture and produce product which they sell to the world which has forgotten about Manufacturing and Production of products..

The only production left in the USA is the manufacture of Military weapons..Could it be that the Government is afraid of what would happen if they lost this production and that is why they continue their wars in Iraq and Afganistan..

Wallstreet and other world markets did very well until greed and corruption showed them for what they are..Crooks..

It was then that it was noticed that Manufacturing and Production had moved to China and India where the big corporations in order to help their bottom line on wallsteet had shipped them..


Patti
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 11:53 am

At a time when these United States is at it's lowest in my 55 year life time (both economically and morally), how can the men who have been chosen to be the voices of the people be so petty and non caring? No matter is you are a Red or Blue, we are suffering. It's time for the GOP who believe in God and Country need to read their bible. “The first shall be last and the first shall be last”. Watch your step, cause God is watching you!


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:03 pm

People are clammering for change now, but they weren't then. Republicans had not yet wrecked the economy. Republicans weren't yet identified as a politics ahead of country party, back then.


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:08 pm

How about republicans voting against country and instead, for politics! The GOP is bankrupt, along with the country they led for too many years. They had there wat for 8 years, and look where it got us. Throwing GOPers in the deepest part of the ocean IS a good start.


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:10 pm

You're probably right Barry, but aren't the Republicans showing their real colors—politics ahead of country? Hell, I don't think they have ever cared about the country. They only want their, or their buddies pockets lined at government expense – the old Halliburton policy.


EddieG3
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:13 pm

The Republicans didn't see it as cost-saving. They complained vigorously about it. Mr. Obama is trying to get the Republicans to thinking more of the country instead of self-centered politics.


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:21 pm

I think someone forgot to tell you that taxpayers are hired to do the work for taxpayers! You are believing that any program that hires PEOPLE or purchases equipment takes a job away from a taxpaying contractor? Well, I disagree with you on both accounts: 1.) Halliburton is a prime example of an absolutely monstrous contractor, and 2.) It did not pay one god-damn dime of taxes. Instead it relocated to Dubai! That's patriotic? People are employed no matter who is uses. For you, a contractor, to demand to make money off workers and the American taxpayer is BS. Instead, grab a shovel and start snowplowing yourself. Do something you are always demanding–earn it! P.S. Profits doesn't stimulate the economy, but full employment does!


marguerite cross
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:21 pm

There is no need to worry about the U.S. “importing” corrupt government from the Arabs or anyone else–pay-for-play, bribery, extortion– have been alive and well in the U.S. FOR-EV-ER! Read your history and you will see that we have no grounds to blame any other country for our problems with corruption. Blame greedy capitalists and and rich imperialists who will enlist anyone to do their bidding, even our public officials–some of which have questionable ethics or personal ambition for power, riches or both and take the bait…


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:26 pm

Frankly, I don't understand what the hell you are saying, but lest you forget, people hired for snowplowing are local, not matter who they work for. What do you think, people can plw snow via email? There are lots of federal employees who work locally.


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:28 pm

Right on! Just another bigot looking to whine and blame others for our problems.


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:33 pm

Right on! I totally agree. These whining selfish complainers want to blame all on spending because they don't want to help anyone, of course unless they need help. I have relatives that constantly complain about government spending their taxes. Guess what–they're farmers!! Farming is the per-capita greatest welfare beneficiaries in the country. People need to look more to themselves before they jump all over others. Besides, where are the “compasiionate conservatives?”


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:37 pm

If you think GOP politics and the “people's best interest” are in line, you must be on drugs or have had a lobotomy. The GOP is for very wealthy interests, who care about protecting their wealth. The country could rot as long as they have their money. They only use the religious and gun zealots as votes to promote their real agenda of protecting weath.


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:44 pm

Well, sguess what? You better not be voting for the GOP. Remember, they said one of the prime reasons they voted against the Obama stimulus package is because it gave tax rebates back to people who pay no income tax. Well, what's wrong with that? The GOPers don't object when huge tax incentives/rebates, etc. are paid to many corporationsin the Fortune 500 that paid no, zero, zip,zilch income taxes. Besides, most all workers pay payroll taxes. Why the hell is the GOP not willing to help very low earning people with a tax rebate? It's because they are the party of the rich. They care about nothing other than their wealth. They don't care about the country, or anything else. They view our country as nothing more than a protectorate for their wealth.


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:48 pm

I agree with some of what you say, but Wall Street didn't send jobs overseas. Fatcat corporate CEO's did. They would slit your throat to add money to the executive bonus. Corporations and Wall street are all corrupt.


Laura
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 12:59 pm

I fail to see where the opinions of the average person are important to something as complex as the economy. The average person is barely able to form a coherent sentence, yet they are supposed to be able to figure out what will or will not help the economy? Do you really think that said “average” person actually gives a d.a.m.n. about the economy in general when faced with an extra couple hundred for their own pocket?

Be honest with yourself – do you trust your local McDonald's manager to dictate economic policy? Do you?

Be honest with yourself on this one too: which will do more economic good: you getting $500 extra on your taxes, or your neighbor getting a job?


Laura
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 1:10 pm

The problem with that line of semi-delusional thinking is that the media has been very clear that the reason the Republicans are the voice of dissent on a stimulus package. If they continue to block packages like this, and the economy continues to falter, it seems unlikely that they will retain their seats, as they will be viewed as big old babies who prefer to whine and complain instead of try to help.


Laura
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 1:14 pm

Explain to us how an attempt at providing jobs to people who don't have one will do no good for the economy. Instead of saying “it won't work” why don't you tell us why, then tell us what will work.

I can tell you what doesn't work – tax cuts and only tax cuts. Since that seems to be the Republicans solution to everything from a failing economy to a leaky roof, logic would indicate that a new idea is appropriate.


underdown
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 1:15 pm

I'm saying that when you break down the voter sentiment, they support tax cuts over spending hikes – I'm not implying they are correct. Certainly any reasonable US citizen is in favor of a true “stimulus” – the devil is in the details. Deficit spending – and Keynesian economics as a whole, is not favored by any economist I have ever read (I consider Paul Krugman a pundit). I sat through several lectures in college where Keynesian economics were thoroughly debunked by a spate of economists. The problem in a nutshell is that market forces price in the short term benefit against the risk of future taxation to pay for it.


Lalita
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 1:44 pm

Nicely said, Laura. I would add that the Republicans seem to believe that the magic bullet lies in getting the middle class spending money–even if we don't have it. We got into this mess by imprudent spending habits…not saving and investing. We can't get out of it by luring the middle class into buying televisions and going on cruises.


alberta
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

I went of the Republican trail this year to vote for Obama! Republicans are all dried up, and their old tired programs,bill and thoughts don't work in this progressive Era! This and what they are doing now(that I knew they would do) is the reason hundreds are leaveing the Republican party! They are prodictable in their behaviors and actions! It's buck the Dem's, even if it destroys America! They think if this stimulus fails it will be on the Dem's head! Well it won't be! It will be on theirs for playing politics, and not cooperating and working with this prez and it's administration! If this stimulus works down the road and we start recoverying in a couple of years, the republican party is destroyed! No one will truest them anymore. It makes me sad, sense I come from a all republican family, who voted for Obama this year. SAD, that republicans just don't give a darn anymore, but for their own selfish selfs! They now lose, no matter what happens


jose chompre
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

The Republicans are history …. period.


Hector A
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:29 pm

The Republicans are incredibly foolish. The last time the Democrats had to support a Republican president during a difficult economic time, they did and they did it with a major majority (9/11). Now, that we have an economic crisis, the Republicans are playing politics with this and are hoping for the best outcome for them. Come on! They do deserve to be the minority party…forever.


Hector A
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:30 pm

The Republicans are incredibly foolish. The last time the Democrats had to support a Republican president during a difficult time, they did and they did it with a major majority (9/11). Now, that we have an economic crisis, the Republicans are playing politics with this and are hoping for the best outcome for them. Come on! They do deserve to be the minority party…forever.


The Seattle Cynic
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:34 pm

“They didn't vote *against* tax cuts. They voted *in favor* of higher taxes.”

THAT is simply brilliant. Fwd: to Democratic National Committee for '10 campaign ads. :)


Dutch
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

Today's Rasmussen poll saw support drop to 42 % and good chance it will drop further in the next few days. Calling it a stimulus plan is a misnomer, there is very little stimulation in it and that is the problem. It does little or nothing to address areas of our society where unemployment is highest, instead billions are thrown at areas with very low unemployment. As written the plan is bound to fail. Sidepoint, since when is democracy totally ignoring the minority? 46 % did not vote for change. Iw want Obama to succeed but he is taking a strange road in trying to get there.


Dutch
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

Came here from Europe in the 80s to escape the destructive nature of European socialism. Sadly, we are running toward such system. Well, in the 2010 election we are going to be wiser or run the risk to become poorer for it.


Fred
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:47 pm

I have heard that one before. Time will tell.


Phlemg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:49 pm

I'm trying to figure out how “wasteful spending” makes more sense, regardless of the economy. What the heck is he talking about? The only real reason Clinton had a good economy to work with was the .com boom and resulting economic growth.


Fred
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:51 pm

The Republican Congress is doing exactly what the Dems have done for years. Now all of the lefties are screaming TREASON.
Time will tell.


Phlemg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

Jeff….
You obviously have read Alexander Tyler. So true….so true!!!!!


Phlemg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:54 pm

Jeff, I think this is what you were paraphrasing….
“A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship.”


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Phlemg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 2:58 pm

first of all learn how to spell!!!

And second, pay attention. The Rep's met with Obama, they offered ideas, and were told “I won, and will not give you anything you want” (paraphrased of course). Don't act like they aren't trying to offer ideas because they are and no one is listening, at least not Obama…who is the only Democrat that promised he would.


Lashire
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:00 pm

Dan, Profit drives the economy because it gets invested back in the economy. How many millionaires do you know that hide all there money in a mayo jar buried in there backyard? They reinvest it in their company or invest in other companies, and the economy grows. No on said the free market was perfect, and greed is a byproduct, but isn't better to have some corruption and having relative unemployment, then a stagnant european style economy with unemployment in the mid to high teens?


Mac
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:05 pm

The Republican strategy for years has been to bankrupt the government with the belief the country would then be forced to abandon all government safety nets. What they didn't count on was that it would destroy the economy in the process. Still, you have to hand it to them for sticking with their game plan.


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 8:07 pm

Rignt on A-Train!!


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 8:11 pm

So true


dbw1
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:11 pm

The author of this article is apparantly clueless when it comes to economics:
“The Obama stimulus package doesn’t raise anyone’s taxes”.
Actually, it does, mainly on our kids and grandkids. Just because it doesn't raise taxes TODAY doesn't mean it won't require higher taxes. This money being passed out in the so-called 'stimulus package' is monopoly money. It isn't real money sitting in a bank account. It is being borrowed, added to the debt, and will have to be repaid by future generations.
This bill is what it is: the largest handout of largesse in history to a laundry-list of the incumbents constituencies. I'm very proud that the Republicans finally rediscovered their principles of conservative fiscal management that were largely abandoned under Bush.


Joe
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:13 pm

You are brainwashed by the MSM, about the whoel Republican's having very wealthy interests…what I mean is they all do ~~ dems and republicans. Just look at the Inauguration, there were like 50 private jets flying in the Hollywood “elite” and such for the inauguration. Just look within the Dem. party — Robert Rubin was on his watch at Citigroup the biggest disaster bank we have right now, he made 100's of millions at Citibank, and what happens, instead of shriveling up into nothingness, and being beyond embarrassed, he is still heaving used for policy in the new administration…….Obama got more Wall Street money than McCain did….. why don't you know that ??? because the MSM doesn't want you to know that dirty little secret that Obama and the dems have just as much if not more “wealthy” interests at heart.


Newbee
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:16 pm

Your last three sentences summed up perfectly the Rep party that I was exposed to this last year. I'm one of those types that never paid any attention to politics, didn't have a care about which party was in power or what they were about. But after this campaign cycle, Your three sentence explaination nailed it! Good job Dan!


dbw1
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:22 pm

Suppose you were told by your boss today that your work hours and salary were going to be cut in half. Would you say “I know how to fix this 'downturn'; I'm going to go out and spend more money than I ever have in my life and just borrow it from my kids college fund!”.

So if that seems like a silly response, why do Obama & the Democrats believe that is the fix for the downturn in our economy? Where are all of those spending cuts Obama promised during the debates when he promised to go through the budget “line-by-line with a scalpal”? Oh wait, maybe that's what the $5 billion in the stimulus package for ACORN is for….maybe they're going to use that money to hire people who will help Obama find spending cuts!


Dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 8:25 pm

Right on!!!


Trip
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:26 pm

Whoever came up with this line about party before country is a real smart cookie. Of course it is just a nonsense line for steady msnbc distribution to the sheepeople. Who cares how many G O P congresspeople did not vote for obamunism??? Don't you have this GIANT majority? This huge mandate? TAKE CREDIT FOR PASSING THIS THING WITHOUT REPUBLICANS !!!! Shout it from the rooftops! Oh, that's right, the dems know its a steaming pile and don't want to be held responsible for it themselves. Yea, Bush signed the last piece of crap passed by a democrat majority in both houses, but the dems all voted for TARP, now they want to blame it all on the republicans. BUT WHO VOTED FOR IT????? Let the dems pass it themselves and let them be responsible for it!


jindall
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:29 pm

go back to mexico you obviously do not understand american politics


jindall
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:36 pm

Based on your spelling there is no possible way you have come from a family of republicans and you voted for obama because he is part black (be it small) period. What the Republicans have done is just what they needed and you will see but not until 2010 when the Dems start to lose seats in droves for breaking every campaign promise about bipartisanship and the failure of this massive pork spending bill .


jindall
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

Continues??? Have you seen what is in this stimulus bill???


jindall
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:42 pm

Dems voted against doing anything to stop the problems that were pointed out by Repubs concerning deregulation because they were lining their pockets, ask Frankin Raines and Freddie Macs Ceo.


AntiDork
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

The Republican in Congress simply don't want Obama to succeed. Their favorite religion: tax cut-in whatever form this package still has them , has been put forth in this package for them, and the Republican are against this. If it was George Bush in power, the Republicans would fully support him. This is hypocrisy. No wonder Republicans fail so bad for America. If they ran their own country, they would be worst economically than France. Obama and the Democrats should pass this bill wthout them.


Greg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:45 pm

Is this the kind of change McCain and Pallin were advocating during the primaries? It looks like more of the same moronic partisan politics the Republicans have played for the past decade. Talk about anti-American! When the country–and their precious Joe the plumber–what do they do? They dither about and sulk and play the part of Cassandra–all is lost, gloom and doom, etc. That is why many former Republicans such as myself decided to vote for a LEADER with VISION. Let's not forget that it was the Republicans who held up the first attempted financial recovery, which resulted in TRILLIONS being lost on Wall Street. It is past time for our “public servants” in D.C. to start doing what is right for the country–regardless of who gets credit!


jindall
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:47 pm

Do you know that the majority of the now lowered amount of 3 million jobs saved or created by this is part time jobs and have an expiration date. They are not career jobs so why spend so much for a temporary fix? Have you seen the other option created by house repubs? 6.2 million real jobs for half the cost. Don't bother ride your wave albeit on the way down because that is where it is going if this current package passes.


jindall
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:52 pm

Exactly what we want. This stimulus bill is nothing but a front to fund the dems ridiculous liberal agenda and programs that have not been funded for the last 8 years. Then when nothing positive happens you lose seats and a 1 and done presidential term as well.


jindall
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:56 pm

In two years Bush will be forgotten and if crap like this recovery package passes we will be back in power in 4 years and you will be happy about it.


Porkchopicus_of_Borg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

The Congressional Budget Office and the Council of Economic Advisers have both published studies demonstrating that for each dollar of tax cuts, only about 20-40 cents finds its way into circulation. While at the same time, those studies have found that each dollar of direct government spending (on construction, infrastructure repairs, etc) returns *more* than a dollar (as much as $1.36) to the economy. This happens because the workers who do the work and earn the money wind up SPENDING it. Those expenditures, whether at restaurants, grocery stores, clothing shops, auto parts stores, etc., then *keep circulating,* thereby magnifying the effect of the direct government spending.

You're trying in vain to compare microeconomics to macroeconomics, but it rapidly becomes plain that you don't really understand either one.


avenger
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 3:59 pm

Fuzzy fuzzy math, sort of like their wmd argument. This 6 million number has already been debunked. And listening does not require that you do whatever it is that the person you are listening to spouts off about.
Come up with a better lie.


jindall
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:00 pm

And what is the current administration saying about that first part that passed? It did not work paid for wall st bonuses and done nothing to loosen credit markets. You yourself have proven they were correct to vote against it. Government needs to stay out of business period if they want it to succeed.


Porkchopicus_of_Borg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:02 pm

No, the Republican ideas were presented in committee (which is something the GOP wouldn't even do for the Democrats when the GOP was the majority party from 2001-2007). They were voted on, and they were voted down.

That's bipartisanship. The GOP's ideas got a fair hearing, and they were fairly voted on. They just didn't get adopted, and that's how democracy works. Sometimes democracy works in your favor and sometimes it doesn't. Just because you're in the minority doesn't mean that there's no bipartisanship going on.


Porkchopicus_of_Borg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:04 pm

The 6.2 million jobs claim is completely fabricated. It's based on a very creative interpretation of a study that didn't even examine the effect of tax cuts on employment — yet the GOP claims that study as *proof* that their intended tax cuts will create that many jobs.

That's called lying.


Travelon08
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

I was a registered Republican for 49 years in TN, one of the largest Republican strongholds in the United States. In this last election I too wanted to see a real sweeping change in leadership and voted against even personal friends because of their same old political games that weren't doing anything to help problems we are facing as a nation. Yes, we like to have someone in Washington to skim off millions to send back home for pet projects that benefit us locally, but some of these become senseless when the nation as a whole is being undermined because of it. It's time for us to wake up and try to elect leaders that care about this country as a whole. If Obama's leadership provides real change in this first four years, the Republican's that are fighting so hard against him will be hard pressed to get elected, by those like me, who are simply sick and tired of division and self serving.


Porkchopicus_of_Borg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:07 pm

I'll forget about Bush once people like you forget about Carter and Clinton.


Greg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:09 pm

Seig heil jindall! Nothing like a “conservative” revolution to straighten things out–right? Don't forget about that other conservative revolution in Germany circa 1933. As for government staying out of the way of business, that worked pretty well in this country in 1929 right!


Greg B
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:20 pm

I do not see how National Socialism (Nazi) is even comperable 'conservatism'.


Greg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:30 pm

The National Socialist party was an ultra-conservative fascist movement which had among its numerous enemies socialist and communist movements. Don't let the term Socialist in the party name fool you. Perhaps an anarchist platform would better suit the anti-government, laissez-faire sentiments of many of the Limbaugh Republicans.


Porkchopicus_of_Borg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:34 pm

Why would you want *factories* to take “everyone's money?”


Danielle
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:36 pm

Agreed!

If you go on youtube the GOP has a great response to why they unanimously voted against this plan. There was a legitimate proposal put forth to counter Obama's stimulus package. Who knows if the democrats even read it ! I'm tired of articles/blogs like this. Right now this adminstration has no checks or balance. Its un-constitutional what they are doing. My representation deserves to be heard. I'd hate to think what would happen if Republican's went on strike, stopped paying taxes, and joined in on the Democrat's gravy train. I'd love to become a freeloader… but it goes against my morals.


Tamuaggie
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:37 pm

Considering Barney Franks boyfriend was a top dog for Fanny Mae back in 1999 I would consider anything that happened to them financially would be democrat fault.


Greg B
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:39 pm

There is a huge gap in reasoning here. IF it is true about the return on investment on spending for construction and infrasructure, what about all the BILLIONS wasted on other projects that garner no return? I am not a economist but if you have a spending bill for 825 Billion and generously give 15% of that for the actual stimulus you have 123.75 Billion. At a 36% return you have 168.3 Billion. How do you plan to cover the remaining 656.7? Man if feel sorry for the future generations if this is the direction we are going to take as a nation. Big governement with EITHER party seems like a raw deal


Tamuaggie
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

And we shoud trust the media why?? Considering main stream media sources such as MSNBC and CNN are in the Dems back pocket.


Porkchopicus_of_Borg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:41 pm

If you want to bring up specific projects that you claim “garner no return,” then by all means do so.

Also, your math is incorrect. If you *spend* $1 and receive $1.36 in return, you have realized a 136% return. You're thinking investment. This is *expenditure*. Those two things are completely different and are treated as such on a balance sheet.


Greg B
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 4:46 pm

Their is nothing new about massive overpowered governments. Why does it seem like both side worship the federal state?


Margaret
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 5:05 pm

You are smoking crack if you think the stimulus bill won't raise taxes…….MP from NC


DVSDen
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 5:13 pm

The GOP made its gains in 1994 largely from rural areas and the South, with conservative Dems either retiring or getting beat by more conservative Repubs. Now, the GOP is the party of the south, and they have completely lost the once solidly GOP moderate suburbs in the northeast and upper midwest. The moderates outside Philly, Chicago, Detroit, DC, etc are not extremists, and they do not want to be part of the extreme right-wing agenda that has dominated the modern GOP. As long as they are the party of angry southern white dittoheads, the GOP will be the minority party for a long time.


Frank E
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 5:14 pm

Goober, that was managed by your republican brethren. You know, the ones who presented a two page demand for unregulated absolute power right frikkin now or the universe will explode!

We've see your republican morals, your republican leadership, your compassionate conservatism up close and personal for 8 long years.

All you people ever do is obstruct progress, steal from the public coffers, whine and whine, and whine, play political games, grow the government to it's largest size in history, start undeclared wars on unknown adversaries (terra wrists?), practice hatred and racism, molest congressional pages, tap morse code in mens rooms, dress up in diapers and financialy and morally bankrupt a once great and honorable nation.

You had your chance and you drove it off of a cliff, and now you want to complain?
You guy's did it! Look in the mirror Goober, what do you see? A frightened power hungry republican whining for his glory days….

You screwed the pooch, again, and it will take Democratic leaders to fix your f'ups, again.


Frank E
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 5:16 pm

SNAP!


Frank E
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 5:20 pm

Republicans don't pay taxes, they have tax shelters. Republicans do take government money. They just took about 350 Billion and bonused themselves with millions of public tax dollars.

Republican leadership caused this mess – why do you think doing the same thing will fix the mess they created?


Frank E
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 5:22 pm

Look! Another Racist Republican, I'm shocked…


Frank E
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 5:23 pm

Look another holier than thou, racist republican! I'm shocked!


Frank E
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 5:29 pm

Patti, the GOP does not believe in God or Christianity. They believe in leveraging others beliefs for their political gain and financial benefit.

They always seem to do what is “Right”, not what is proper or moral.


Jeff
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 10:34 pm

The bottom line is people are asking what this country can do for them rather that what they can do for this country. Because of that, the me generation is turning our country into a socialist state. Once Obama’s programs are in place over half of our countries population will be dependent on the government in some form. Do you really think they are going to vote to take them off the government life support and actually step up and be responsible and earn a living? Why work when the government will give it to you?

The draw back is that someone has to work to create income but Obama’s plans are going to push those people out of the country. The Democrats programs over the last couple of years would have already done that had Bush not been there to threaten veto’s. Now, there isn’t anyone to stop it.

The end of Democracy is when the people realize they can vote themselves the money in the government. The scary thing is that a dictatorship is the type of government that usually comes next.


kab
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 5:35 pm

What alot of people forget in their over zealous jubilation over the new president is…….almost 50% of the nation voted against him. Lets keep this in mind people. It was not as big a landslide as some would have you believe. By electoral votes maybe, but not by popular vote.


Daddeyo
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 10:55 pm

I love the fact Republicans finally stood up to the dems. The dems are going to ruin this great country and Republicans simply and powerfully stated, on record, they wanted no part of it…BRILLIANT!!! Obama and his nut bags are fools and so are all the lemmings drinking his kool-aid. Time will tell who was right…by next election I’m sure…
I’m ashamed of this country right now…deeply saddened we have fallen so far so fast. I hope you socialists enjoy your ride while you can becuase , as always is the case with socialism, you will fall hard and if you do you will not recover. The only way you will survive is by intimidation and lies…damn, I even heard Rangell wants to re-institute the draft…why? Because the only way this great country will recover from the financial debacle these democrats are thrusting upon us is by starting/going to war…a real war…where all our sons and daughters will be forced to fight…not volunteers as is the case now…get ready Amerika…you know who you are…you voted him in…you will be responsible!


RJB
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:01 pm

The best analysis I've read in ages. Well said! As long as the Republican Party has Rush Limbaugh telling it what to do and cheering for Sarah Palin to be the 2012 nominee, the Democrats will trounce them in the next federal election and have the filibuster-proof 60 seats they need. Conservatives had their chance and blew it. Reasonably, they won't get even a long-shot chance any time soon, the country has had enough of them and doen't trust them AT ALL. Anyone who thinks Sarah Palin is what the country needs shouldn't be allowed to vote! Dem gains in the Western states shouldn't be overlooked. The GOP will be down for decades because of Bush.


j redd
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:08 pm

You left out the 10 democrats that also voted aginst this welfare package.


j redd
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:11 pm

the republicans are trying to keepyour kids from paying forthe bill for years to come


j redd
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:16 pm

you need to read the the history books. the nazi plans is the dems play book.


j redd
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:17 pm

Did the dems not have control of both houses? all they had to do was vote it down. So what party missed the ball?


dan
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:21 pm

Welll – when us grown-ups discover that the kids have run up a huge credit card dept we have to figure out how to pay it back. Over the last 28 years Republican presidents have run up 8 trillion of the 10 trillion national debt. Each man, woman and child in this country ows roughly $33,000 on that debt. How else is that going to get paid off?


j redd
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:31 pm

that is from the old liberial economic book. Over two hundred economist includeing one of the most liberial disagrees with that statement. once the gov't jobs are done then what?
are we to work for the gov't forever? Do you know why the 20-40 cents are spent? The rest goes into savings where it should go so you don't have to work for the gov't. But the way the dems want to do is not let me save money because thats wrong. I should give my money to someone who is sitting on there butt and can work but chooses not to so they can get my money. My kids money!


Trip
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 11:34 pm

Maybe it is just because I live in cuyahoga county Ohio, where democrat (and some republican) politians have promised a gazillion jobs and dollars over and over again for twenty years, each time they have a new taxpayer funded boondogle to enrich their cronys , that I do not think this “stimulus” will stimulate much of anything. But hey, if it is such a great idea pass it, sign it and own it. You have the votes. DO IT AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE RESULTS!


j redd
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:35 pm

Why didn't your dems vote it down! they control both housesdon't they!


j redd
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:36 pm

the demsdidn't have a majority at 9/11. If they did we would never went after the terrorist.


grf67
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:39 pm

This is not 1993 because the republicans, who are taking their guidance from limbaugh, have nothing to offer the country.


j redd
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:43 pm

the federal gov't not there for safety nets, only to protech this county from foreign threats! thats it, read the constatution.


Travelon08
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 11:47 pm

You’re exactly right Hector. This is the very thing that’s going to make the Republican party dwindle even more in the next election. A popular president elected with such an astounding effect on the American People being entirely dissed by them is a sure way to make the voters even more determined to see them defeated. If they continue to do what they’re doing, they’ll find out what unemployment is like!


j redd
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:48 pm

if they were taking there guidance from rush,we would be in the white house and have control of both houses!


Dee
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 6:53 pm

Don't forget that many people voted AGAINST Bush not FOR Obama. I know several people personally who only voted for Obama because they hated Bush. We'll see how they swing their opinion once they realize what kind of CHANGE they voted into office. Very scary I must say. Wait til the details of this so-called pork barrel spending plan actually gets out into the public (obviously not through the liberal media) and people actually see the wasteful spending the Obama Democrats are calling for.


n hoag
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

{Laughing} There is no such thing as a compassionate conservative!


avenger
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 11:58 pm

You really just cannot stop with the lying can you. I’ll admit that it is habitual for your ilk.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 12:03 am

Which CEO specifically?

I did some consulting work for FHLMC a few years back, and I’d like very much for you to specify what CEO you’re talking about and what you allege he did?


Greg
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:04 pm

If we don't do something about unfair trade and protect our industrial base (if it is not too late already) and address the currency manipulation by other countries we will turn in to a third world low-wage country ourselves. The Mexicans making $3 hr. and less cannot even compete with China. We need to stop the exploitation of labor worldwide.
Today Mitch McConnell stated he supported the TARP bailout of the Bush Administration that has had zero oversight by the way, but he doesn't support this stimulus package, looks like partisan politics. He didn't support the US auto manufacturers either because his homestate has foreign manufacturers. It might have something to do with his wife, Elaine Chow being head of the department of labor and having disdain for American workers. This is the mouthpiece for the conservatives? We are in such a deep mess I see no other way out unless we are willing to wait 30 years for the economy to recover.


neilo1
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:08 pm

You dont mean that bloated pathetic pill popper actually has a following still do you??– only from dummies who cant think for themselves!! What wonderful people GOPers drool over -Limbo Limbo & trash peddler Rupert Murdochs wise-asses like Innanity Hannity who oozes self-love from every pore! Get real – you LOST- You deserved to lose & you'll be out for LONG time!! we need to reverse like yesterdya what Bushies have done just as they gave their best efforts to reversing anything worthwhile that Clinton did! The Limbo Liquidators are here chum – deal with it!


Dave
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 12:18 am

Didn’t they vote against it for President Bush as well? Either way whoever has a better plan–put it on the table. We need a plan that will create jobs and the only plan I know of that will ever work is -America has to produce something that everyone needs and people can afford to buy. Just how many people making $8 or even $10 an hour can afford a new car. Even a car. Most people make 10-12 dollars an hour plus benefits. Those are the people that need help. Fire the unions and bring back jobs from overseas. IE. BoBs Candy Company that unionized and the company went to mexico, so they could stay in business. I could just say get off your a—s America and get GET STUFF DONE.!! But that never works.. We need factories and NOT UNIONS taking everyones money.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 12:27 am

And I guess *you* don’t want us to know the dirty little secret about how former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson used to be the Chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 12:28 am

Investment does not, in and of itself, create jobs. Spending does. Investment only creates equity, which, as we have seen recently, can be wiped out in days.

If you have any familiarity with balance sheets, then you should know that it is Expense items that pay for things like employee wages and benefits. Equity — which is what investment is — does nothing of the sort.


Anonymous
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 12:29 am

Are you as proud of the record deficits they ran up before they “rediscovered” those principles?


Toby
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:30 pm

Yes, because as we all know, George W. Bush won overwhelming majorities in 2000 and 2004, and acted in a bipartisan manner… Oh wait.

I didn't hear Republicans saying in 2001 that “more people voted for Gore, so we should listen to Democrats”, or that “48% of Americans voted for Kerry” in 2004. So drop the hypocrisy and accept that America has overwhelmingly kicked out the vandals who wrecked our country.


Toby
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:33 pm

Yeah, I remember how worried the Republicans were about passing on debt to our kids while Bush was in the White House, spending trillions of dollars on TARP, the Farm Bill, the Prescription Drug bill, the war in Iraq and hundreds of billions in tax cuts for the rich that were supposed to lead to a generation of economic prosperity. Oh, sorry, maybe not.

After the last eight years, Republicans lecturing us on fiscal responsibility are like Lindsay Lohan lecturing us on the virtues of celibacy.


Toby
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:38 pm

What's the weather like on your planet, jindall? The damage that Bush has caused will be remembered for generations to come, just like Herbert Hoover.

I mean, you guys still can't get over your Carter and Clinton fixations, and neither of them caused a fraction of the systemic damage that Bush has inflicted. Yeah, that Clinton economic boom was really painful, wasn't it? All those jobs, that horrible balanced budget and strong GDP growth? Ugh.


Toby
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:41 pm

With a Republican president who had veto authority and a tiny majority in the Senate with Republicans filibustering everything that Democrats passed? Are you kidding me? And how is it that Repubs controlled three branches of government for eight of the previous fourteen years, while Dems only had narrow majorities in the House and Senate for two, yet the latter is responsible?

The Republicans call themselves the party of personal responsibility. Perhaps they should try practicing some. Nothing is ever their fault.


Toby
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:44 pm

Yeah, because freewheeling, trickle-down economics have worked SO well, haven't they?

George H.W. Bush was right when he called it voodoo economics. Only now, thirty years later, is the bill coming due for our economic hubris. And now thanks to conservative economic policies, we are the laughing stock of the world.

I love how since Jan 20, Republicans have suddenly become fiscal conservatives. Were the last eight years just a bad dream in which they played no part?


Toby
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 7:46 pm

Exactly…. What happened to Clinton's surplus? Oh yeah, I forgot. The Republicans elected a guy… can't remember his name… rhymed with Tush… and he virtually bankrupted us. But of course, that was probably the Democrats fault too, because the Republicans can never accept any responsibility for anything, even their own congress and president.


More Informed
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 8:12 pm

The 1929 recession turned into a Depression when Hoover signed the Smoot-Hawley Tariff…a government intervention.

The Nazi takeover was fascist, which means government control of every aspect of your lives, and every aspect of corporations.

You just don't know what you're talking about. Find a better reason to hate conservatives.


ed k
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 1:19 am

please,this all sounds like israel and palenstine ,to me everyone believes they are in the right !lets all come toghether ,to support the current president,lets see where we are at,after he is done! We as a nation have obviously failed to do the right things for all to long!Let us finally work as one for our future and our kids future ! there is obviously something very wrong in our beliefs both as a nation and as humans if acquiring more things than we could ever use! at the expense of human beings,who deserve much better than being used to support our exuberant lifesyle


CJ
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 1:22 am

I think your probably missing th politics here. First, alot of the spending that is put in this bill are things that have been on the Democrat’s agenda for a long time. So for Republicans in very solid disctricts, that alone is enough to opose it to keep the constituents happy. Also, this stimulus is a very big gamble. There is no garuntee that it will bring th economy out of the “Great Recession”. So by oposing it in the house, if it doesn’t work the Republicans can easily blame it on the Democrats. If the economy is still floundering in 2 years, the Republicans will be pointing out the nearly trillion dollars more in debt we have now than before. Republicans will likely pick up seats in 2 years if this is the case. It’s a forgone conclusion that it will pass, so by oposing it the Republicans know they run almost no risk if the stimulus works, and have an enormous amount to gain if it fails. I expect there may be a threat of filibuster in the senate but it will not take place. I personaly think that the stimulus will make us worse off than bofore, as it will devalue the dollar and do nothing to stem the recession, not to mention that fact that someone will have to pay for it someday.


Greg
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 2:19 am

How uninformed you are. Unionized workplaces represent 7% of the workforce (it would be higher if the Bush labor board would have allowed fair democratic elections). 80% of the companies that closed down and when to Mexico or China were NON-UNION. The difference is, the non-union folks didn’t have a union to negotiate any severance package and many are forced to endure the indignation of training their foreign replacements before they are terminated (if they don’t, the company denies their unemployment). The only time you here anything about unions is when something bad happens- and everyone has a hand in it, bad management decisions, etc. There are thousands of success stories out there you never hear about because that doesn’t make news. You need to realize the ONLY thing that will bring back jobs is fair trade deals or Americans willing to work for $5 bucks and hour. So much for our standard of living that used to be highest in the world BECAUSE OF THE UNIONS!!!


Jesse
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 10:05 pm

Also, the Republicans have always been the party of “values” (and other such vague, illogical, vacuous claims, but I digress). Most seem to agree that Obama-democrats embody the values necessitated by where the country is headed. Meanwhile most of the old capital cash cows of Republican “values” rhetoric have become hypocritical, hyper-religious, or contradictory with regard to things like privacy rights, torture, corruption, special interests, gay marriage, etc. Their downfall shows that you can't be the party of pathos forever. You have to actually DO things logically once in a while, instead of counting on the next terrorist attack or endless war to keep people from suspecting anything or keep them in this *shock* mode when making decisions. Although a democrat, I'm saddened by the actions of the GOP. They are making it impossible for functionally valid conservative perspectives from having any traction not just in politics, but in our culture as well. They have far more to prove to their own constituents, before they could ever prove anything to the American electorate again.


HerrTod
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 11:18 pm

NOT 50% of the nation!

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So? only 28.5% of the nation's eligible voters voted against Obama.


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By refusing to compromise, Obama now “owns” the crisis. He looks more like another Carter to me.


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I'm not buying it.


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Not in the least. I've read many, many history books. Please specify the ones you read in coming to your conclusion above; I'd like to see what you were reading.


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No, that's simple economics. Clearly you don't understand how economics works. Have you ever owned or run a business?

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No, you're just plain wrong.

“once the gov't jobs are done then what? are we to work for the gov't forever?”

I said nothing about “gov't jobs.” In fact, if you'd take the time to READ the Obama proposal, it clearly indicates his intent to spend much of the money putting small- and medium-sized businesses to work on infrastructure projects. You know, like building schools, bridges, repairing roads, etc. Those aren't government jobs. Those are regular, ordinary, tax-paying working men and women going BACK to work, earning money that they'll spend in their communities.

“Do you know why the 20-40 cents are spent?”

You are completely missing the point. Tax cuts don't stimulate spending. Tax cuts stimulate saving. This is exactly why the $750B Wall Street bailout was a lousy idea. If you give money to individuals and businesses that are already highly-capitalized (like rich folks and Wall Street investment banks), they don't spend it. And, as we have seen, that's exactly what happens. Right now, the economy needs money moving around in order to keep people working and keep them employed. Savings doesn't employ people. Only spending does that.

“The rest goes into savings where it should go so you don't have to work for the gov't.”

I'll say it again. Savings doesn't put people to work. If you disagree, then explain to us how saving money creates jobs. Go ahead.

“But the way the dems want to do is not let me save money because thats wrong.”

*You* can save any money *you* want. We're talking about what our government can do to stimulate the economy, and right now, saving money (and not spending it) is what's hurting us all. If private industry is unwilling or unable to spend money on employees (thereby rendering those employees unemployed), then the government has a role to play in stimulating spending.

“I should give my money to someone who is sitting on there butt and can work but chooses not to so they can get my money. My kids money!”

You have no idea what's going on here, do you?


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They are betting the economy is going to tank whatever obama does.then they can stand there pointing at the dems.They are counting on the american public not remembering who caused this mess in the first place.I would say its a safe bet.


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I've read many, many history books. Please tell me what books you've read that led you to that conclusion. I'd like to see for myself if you actually have any support for that statement or if you're just making it up.

Title, author and publisher, please. And year of publication, too, so I can be sure to find the same editions you read.


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And the 21st century *repeal* of the Smoot-Hawley act was a key part of the business deregulation that has led us to the fix we're in. This is a key example of conservative deregulation without regard to the possible (or actual) consequences. Not all deregulation is good, and not all regulation is bad.

Furthermore, if you don't think that warrantless wiretapping falls into that “fascist” category, then I think you're probably beyond help.

I know very well what I'm talking about, and I used to vote on your side of the aisle. Getting snippy and rude isn't going to convince people like me to come back and vote for your candidates, so perhaps you could tone down the rhetoric and bring the jerking of your leg under control, whatsay?


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well the government takeover has started…with the finance industry..what's next ?..and i don't care if it is a dem or a repub that is president either.


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the current administration has been very clear about this…they want to know who got the money…how much they got…and how it is being used. ,,,unfortunately, the Bush administration in its haste with no congressional oversight, did not specify any of the above.


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These same Republicans claim gloom and doom during the Clinton Administration Budgets and he left this country with a massive surplus. 12 yrs of Republican control of both Houses of Congress and 8 yrs of controlling the White House they left this country about darn near bankrupt and now these same Republicans are preaching this same crap about the Obama Administration. I suggest they take a hard look in the mirror before they point another finger the Republican Party has proven they can not govern effectively.


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These same Republicans claim gloom and doom during the Clinton Administration Budgets and he left this country with a massive surplus. 12 yrs of Republican control of both Houses of Congress and 8 yrs of controlling the White House they left this country about darn near bankrupt and now these same Republicans are preaching this same crap about the Obama Administration. I suggest they take a hard look in the mirror before they point another finger the Republican Party has proven they can not govern effectively.


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