Gates on Guantanamo: Only a ‘Four or Five Percent’ Recidivism Rate

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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 at 10:59 am

Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) asks Defense Secretary Bob Gates about Guantanamo. Finally.

Gates doesn’t really make an overt pushback, but he subtly points out that Guantanamo isn’t something to be afraid of. The total recidivism numbers “until recently” from Guantanamo have been on the order of “four or five percent, but there’s been an uptick in recent months.” Worst of the worst, huh? So much for the bogus 61 detainees back in the fight number — which, by my back-of-the-envelope calculations based on about 750 detainees having gone through Guantanamo in total, would be about eight percent, or double Gates’ total.

Also, Gates is “heartened” in terms of Afghanistan, where the Bush administration already returned around 500 detainees from Guantanamo to Afghan government custody — which has put about 200 on trial, with a “conviction rate about 80 percent.”

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seedeevee
Comment posted January 27, 2009 @ 10:17 am

Don't you have to have done something undesirable in the first place to become a recidivist? This sounds like more of the “Guilty until proven innocent” bullshit.


Arachnae
Comment posted January 27, 2009 @ 12:34 pm

A more important figure might be the 'conversion' rate – the number of detainees originally guilty of nothing who upon release join our enemies.

Also the recruitment rate – the number of new member al qaida gained because of the mere existence of Gitmo.


Not Maher Arar
Comment posted January 27, 2009 @ 1:39 pm

so…..some where at the wrong place at wrong…some had a wrong name that was too similar to a terrorist.

happens in other areas too…..google the name Maher Arar.


edh
Comment posted January 27, 2009 @ 2:43 pm

Spencer,

Your logic needs a tune-up.

750 x 4-5% = 30 – 37.5. That's up to twice the number of “18 Confirmed” that DoD presented, along with the “43 suspected,” for the orignial DoD total of 61 that you deride. So, if DoD erred, there are fewer “suspected” and twice as many “confirmed” recidivists.

So, you could have titled your piece “Gates: Confirms Gitmo Recidivists Double Original DoD Estimate.”

Plus, as more are released the rate has increased. So, yea, the remaining are the “worst of the worst,” increasingly so.


Anna Katherine Drake
Comment posted January 27, 2009 @ 3:04 pm

Gates was not talking about recidivism from Gitmo; He was talking about Recidivism amongst Afghans held at Bagram!


elixelx
Comment posted January 27, 2009 @ 3:17 pm

Hey! Only about thirty paedophile murderers have been recidivist, so that's all right, then!
But hey! Let's not forget that those recidivists were the relatively “good guys”.
And hey! You can't really be a “recidivist” if you weren't convicted of criminality in the first place.


elixelx
Comment posted January 27, 2009 @ 3:31 pm

Maher Arar–wrong place, wrong time–too damn dumb to know the difference!
No wait! Didn't he get a settlement of $10million?
So, Mahe Arar–right place, right time–smart as a whip!
No,wait! He had to endure 2 whole days of not-being-able-to-sleep torture because he was required to listen to Susan Sarandon reciting “The Vagina Monologues”. If it had been “Like a Virgin” he would only have received $5million. Barbra Streisand blaring out “people, who need people” was a long last at only $100,000.
Poor chap! I should be so lucky to be in the wrong place at the wrong time!


tanstaafl
Comment posted January 27, 2009 @ 4:03 pm

Elixelx, perhaps you would like to volunteer for the treatment that Maher Arar suffered?
Contrary to your disgustingly dishonest portrayal, that would consist of almost a year in a dark, cramped prison cell in Syria along with repeated beatings, some lasting several hours,


tanstaafl
Comment posted January 27, 2009 @ 4:05 pm

As for wrong place, wrong time, Arar made the mistake of passing through the United States on his way home from Tunis to Canada.
I guess your right, he really should have known that an airflight layover in the U.S. could put him at risk for the kind of treatment normally expected in 3rd-world dictatorships.


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elixelx
Comment posted January 28, 2009 @ 5:41 am

Tortured In Syria, you say, you deceptive little devil?
So why did the CANADIANS pay him $10million?
And yes, if he was tortured in his HOMELAND, Syria, surely you should be screaming about Assad and not about Bush!
Do they have the equivalent of “The Vagina Monologues” in the dungeons of Damascus?
Arar was and is a terrorist sympathizer if not himself a terrorist. He was named by that other Canadian “innocent” , Omar Khadr as being in a Qaeda training camp. But what would Khadr know; he was only 15 at the time that he became an “innocent” with a grenade in his hand!
Yeh, Arar was “innocently going to Orlando Disneyworld from Montreal via Afghanistan and Tunis and New York.
What a prize SCHMUCK!
But then, all terrorists are numbskulls with the IQ's of cucumbers and the vision of blind men!


elixelx
Comment posted January 28, 2009 @ 6:25 am

Being “beaten” by a dominatrix in PVC corset and with a leather cat-o-nine-tails. Geez, the ex-governor of New York PAID a succubus to do that to him.
Maher Arar got caught, luckily for him, by the dhimmis; he was “tortured” by a Syrian “kussbee” and rode his “bad” luck back to Canada where the stupid locals said sorry and gave him a lot of spare change to share with his friends….
Time will surely reveal to us the gullibility of the Canadians, the cupidity of Maher Arar and the stupidity of “tanstaafl”


seedeevee
Comment posted January 28, 2009 @ 9:59 am

I guess he was a “wrong similar name” recidivist . . . still smells like bullshit!


Vince
Comment posted January 28, 2009 @ 12:18 pm

Listening to Barbra Streisand sing ANYTHING would be like being in heaven with a choir of angels! Barbra reigns.


elixelx
Comment posted January 28, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

First time I ever heard of the angels being used as instruments of torture, but let's face it, anything more than a minute of Barbra Caterwauler in full yelp mode would have most people, like me, pulling their hair out, and a few people, like you, musk-spraying the sofa.


Vince
Comment posted January 29, 2009 @ 5:56 pm

Most people who mock Barbra are not worthy or qualified to lick the soles of her Stuart Weitzman pumps.


elixelx
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 6:36 am

Well if licking the pumps of androgynous has-beens is your thing, VINCE, you go for it, girl!
I would advise you to pay your LGBT membership dues first though; I hear that Blabla is punctilious about such things and doesn't offer any part of herself to be licked unless the licker, like the lickee, is a card-carrying member of the social-deviancy club.
As for me? I'm off to lick a nata helado!


Vince
Comment posted January 30, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

I guess you didn't get the point. Surprise, surprise. Remember: Barbra is more talented, richer, and infinately more loved than you'll ever be. Go find some happiness, elixelx.


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Comment posted February 4, 2009 @ 9:27 am

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