Comments on: Daniel Kurtzer on Israel/Palestine http://washingtonindependent.com/24433/daniel-kurtzer-on-israelpal National News in Context Tue, 10 Nov 2009 06:39:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Jerry Haber http://washingtonindependent.com/24433/daniel-kurtzer-on-israelpal/comment-page-1#comment-35691 Jerry Haber Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:16:39 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=24433#comment-35691 As a Jewish progressive who has blogged for Kurtzer over Ross, it is time to look at the primary limitation of both gentlemen -- which is this "working around Hamas" business. Hamas is a major player in Palestine, and anybody with half a brain knows that they will have to be engaged. What will happen if Hamas wins not only a Parliamentary majority but the Presidency in the next elections? I can't expect Israel to understand its own self-interest (having lived in Israel too long for that), but the US will have to stop relying on Middle East experts like Ross, Kurtzer, Indyck, and, yes, Bill Clinton, who are all liberal Zionists -- if they want there to be some sort of durable settlement between Israel and Palestine. As a Jewish progressive who has blogged for Kurtzer over Ross, it is time to look at the primary limitation of both gentlemen — which is this “working around Hamas” business. Hamas is a major player in Palestine, and anybody with half a brain knows that they will have to be engaged. What will happen if Hamas wins not only a Parliamentary majority but the Presidency in the next elections? I can't expect Israel to understand its own self-interest (having lived in Israel too long for that), but the US will have to stop relying on Middle East experts like Ross, Kurtzer, Indyck, and, yes, Bill Clinton, who are all liberal Zionists — if they want there to be some sort of durable settlement between Israel and Palestine.

]]> By: Jerry Haber http://washingtonindependent.com/24433/daniel-kurtzer-on-israelpal/comment-page-1#comment-15399 Jerry Haber Sat, 10 Jan 2009 16:16:39 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=24433#comment-15399 As a Jewish progressive who has blogged for Kurtzer over Ross, it is time to look at the primary limitation of both gentlemen -- which is this "working around Hamas" business. Hamas is a major player in Palestine, and anybody with half a brain knows that they will have to be engaged. What will happen if Hamas wins not only a Parliamentary majority but the Presidency in the next elections? I can't expect Israel to understand its own self-interest (having lived in Israel too long for that), but the US will have to stop relying on Middle East experts like Ross, Kurtzer, Indyck, and, yes, Bill Clinton, who are all liberal Zionists -- if they want there to be some sort of durable settlement between Israel and Palestine. As a Jewish progressive who has blogged for Kurtzer over Ross, it is time to look at the primary limitation of both gentlemen — which is this “working around Hamas” business. Hamas is a major player in Palestine, and anybody with half a brain knows that they will have to be engaged. What will happen if Hamas wins not only a Parliamentary majority but the Presidency in the next elections? I can't expect Israel to understand its own self-interest (having lived in Israel too long for that), but the US will have to stop relying on Middle East experts like Ross, Kurtzer, Indyck, and, yes, Bill Clinton, who are all liberal Zionists — if they want there to be some sort of durable settlement between Israel and Palestine.

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]]> By: John Smith http://washingtonindependent.com/24433/daniel-kurtzer-on-israelpal/comment-page-1#comment-15307 John Smith Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:22:55 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=24433#comment-15307 “What are the goals the various protagonists [in the Gaza war] are pursuing?” he asks, and he says “no one” has a good answer.<br><br>Actually, many people already know the answer. The Zionist agenda has been - and still is - the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestine.<br><br>With over 700 people already massacred in Gaza, it's no longer difficult to believe.<br><br>The Palestine Review<br><a href="http://palestinereview.com" rel="nofollow">http://palestinereview.com</a> “What are the goals the various protagonists [in the Gaza war] are pursuing?” he asks, and he says “no one” has a good answer.

Actually, many people already know the answer. The Zionist agenda has been – and still is – the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from Palestine.

With over 700 people already massacred in Gaza, it's no longer difficult to believe.

The Palestine Review
http://palestinereview.com

]]> By: Jonathan Guyer http://washingtonindependent.com/24433/daniel-kurtzer-on-israelpal/comment-page-1#comment-15283 Jonathan Guyer Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:25:27 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=24433#comment-15283 No mention of the Syrian Ambassador Imad Mustafa's strong comments during the questions answer period? While Kurtzer might have thought about working with Hamas, there was little discussion of the resistence movement's organizational and military capacity. Not the mention the powerful polemics published by Hamas in the Guardian and LA Times. Maybe the Palestinian Authority needs to work on its PR campaign before Abbas loses more credibility. No mention of the Syrian Ambassador Imad Mustafa's strong comments during the questions answer period? While Kurtzer might have thought about working with Hamas, there was little discussion of the resistence movement's organizational and military capacity. Not the mention the powerful polemics published by Hamas in the Guardian and LA Times. Maybe the Palestinian Authority needs to work on its PR campaign before Abbas loses more credibility.

]]> By: marjorie http://washingtonindependent.com/24433/daniel-kurtzer-on-israelpal/comment-page-1#comment-15273 marjorie Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:48:47 +0000 http://washingtonindependent.com/?p=24433#comment-15273 The US is partially responsible for the attack and massacre of the 700+ Palestinians because of its unconditional support of Israel. For example, the US claims Hamas violated the cease fire truce with Israel and is therefore responsible for the attack and slaughter of defenseless, Palestinian civilians. This is simply not true. Israel violated the cease fire truce by going into Gaza and killing 6 to 10 of Hamas men, coupled with the fact that the attack was influenced by politics and approved by Bush and the US Congress 6 mos. in advance. Bush and the US Congress promised Israel unconditional support for its attack on the Palestinians, and agreed to veto all action and condemnation of the UN Security Council against Israel for the attack. In other words, the US gave Israel the green light to take whatever action it wanted against 1.5 million defenseless, Palestinians civilians, even though the US was fully aware that the Hamas Organization with a self made army and self made guns was no match for Israel, the 4th most powerful military in the world.There can be no peace in the Middle East without a Mediator that fair to the Palestinians as well as the Jews, and the US appears incapable of being fair to Palestinians. The US should be removed as Mediator from the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict on grounds of being a dishonest broker. Perhaps, then, a Mediator can be found that fair enough to both parties to negotiate a durable peace agreement between Jews and Palestinians. The US is partially responsible for the attack and massacre of the 700+ Palestinians because of its unconditional support of Israel. For example, the US claims Hamas violated the cease fire truce with Israel and is therefore responsible for the attack and slaughter of defenseless, Palestinian civilians. This is simply not true. Israel violated the cease fire truce by going into Gaza and killing 6 to 10 of Hamas men, coupled with the fact that the attack was influenced by politics and approved by Bush and the US Congress 6 mos. in advance. Bush and the US Congress promised Israel unconditional support for its attack on the Palestinians, and agreed to veto all action and condemnation of the UN Security Council against Israel for the attack. In other words, the US gave Israel the green light to take whatever action it wanted against 1.5 million defenseless, Palestinians civilians, even though the US was fully aware that the Hamas Organization with a self made army and self made guns was no match for Israel, the 4th most powerful military in the world.There can be no peace in the Middle East without a Mediator that fair to the Palestinians as well as the Jews, and the US appears incapable of being fair to Palestinians. The US should be removed as Mediator from the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict on grounds of being a dishonest broker. Perhaps, then, a Mediator can be found that fair enough to both parties to negotiate a durable peace agreement between Jews and Palestinians.

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