GOP Senators Give Hope to Anti-Obama Activists

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Thursday, January 08, 2009 at 6:00 am
President-elect Barack Obama (WDCpix)

President-elect Barack Obama (WDCpix)

?President-elect Barack Obama’s victory on November 4 launched a crowd-sourced, talk radio-driven effort on the far right: a campaign to deny him the White House by legal means. Prodded by conservative outlets like Plains Radio, WorldNetDaily, and the nationally syndicated Michael Savage, fringe activists began asking Electoral College voters, Supreme Court justices, and members of Congress to disqualify the president-elect based on conspiracy theories about his place of birth and his father’s Kenyan citizenship.

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

The efforts have failed so far, but activists contacting Republican members of Congress are holding out hope that at least one member of the House or Senate will challenge the certification of President-elect Obama’s 365-173 Electoral College win on Thursday. Any member can protest, but it takes a senator’s protest to delay the ceremony for debate. The activists’ hope relies on friendly letters from Republican members who appeared to have researched their claims and given them consideration. That, according to Republican staffers, is a mistaken reading of the letters. But as they’re written, the letters give Obama opponents some credit for their interest, and promises — however earnestly — that they won’t forget about the issue.

“Thank you for contacting me with concerns about President-elect Barack Obama’s citizenship status,” wrote the office of David Vitter (R-Louisiana) to one request. “I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.”

The Vitter letter reads in large part like a brush-off, explaining that “Hawaii state officials have verified that President-elect Obama was born in Honolulu on August 4, 1961, making him a natural born citizen.” It ends with Vitter pledging to “continue to monitor this situation and any cases on this matter in our courts.”

That’s a bit more ground than other members of the Senate gave to the conspiracy theorists. A review of a dozen such responses which have been posted on anti-Obama websites and whose validity has been confirmed by Capitol Hill staffers, show that most members opted for sensitive ways to say “thanks, but you’re wrong.”

Democratic responses were more direct in dismissing the Obama conspiracy theories.

“Some reports have surfaced that my former colleague, President-Elect Barack Obama, is not a natural-born American citizen,” wrote staffers for Harry Reid to an identical request. “These reports are false.” Sen. Sherrod Brown’s (D-Ohio) office responded with one terse paragraph, pointing out that “President-Elect Obama has provided several news organizations with a copy of his birth certificate.”

By contrast, the office of Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Alabama) allowed that “stories have circulated that call into question President-elect Obama’s citizenship” and that lawsuits, of which he’d checked the status, were pending. “Senate ethics rules preclude me from becoming personally involved in pending litigation. I sincerely hope this matter can be fully and promptly resolved by the courts.”

Staffers for Sessions did not comment on that letter, but a staffer of another Republican senator who sent an angry constituent a similar, detailed letter about Obama’s citizenship explained that such a letter was standard: There were no plans by any senators to actually follow up on the theories. “He’s not going to challenge the electoral count,” said the staffer. “There’s no way.”

Two members of the House of Representatives have received more Obama citizenship protest than any of their peers. The first was Rep. John Linder (R-Georgia), a three-term member of Congress who’s best known as the chief proponent of the Fair Tax, a proposal to replace income and payroll taxes with a national sales tax. In mid-December, one activist called Rep. Linder’s office to confirm a rumor that the congressman would protest Obama’s election on the House floor. “I received a phone call from Congressman Linder’s office confirming that he intends to do exactly that,” wrote the activist under her pen name, Autumnraine, on the conservative message board Free Republic. “He is just as intent as us on verifying Obama’s eligibility.”

“We had received an inquiry from a constituent about the process,” explained Derick Corbett, Linder’s press secretary. “We explained the process. Somehow that morphed into this story about the congressman ‘standing up to challenge Obama’s election.’ That’s just a complete rumor.”

The second besieged member of Congress was Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas), whose surprisingly successful presidential campaign — he got 1.2 million votes — built an online following that, to his staff’s irritation, includes some Obama conspiracy theorists with lots of time to call in and send e-mails.

“We’re very nicely saying that we looked into it and the evidence isn’t there,” explained one member of Paul’s staff. “We’re pointing out that to believe that Obama isn’t a citizen, you have to believe his parents placed a false ad in a Hawaiian paper in 1961 and believe that the state of Hawaii is lying when it says it has the relevant documents.”

One of the people most disappointed in Paul was a supporter of the congressman’s presidential bid who, in November, won a seat in the Oklahoma House of Representatives. He’s Rep. Mike Ritze, a conservative Republican who donated to the far-right John Birch Society to help launch its magazine The New American, and who has displayed a yard sign reading “US out of UN! UN out of US!” for 30 years, “ever since I saw that the UN was telling the enemy about our movements in Vietnam.”

Ritze called himself a “sideline observer” of the Obama citizenship saga whose interest was piqued by what he heard on the radio and online. In December, Ritze drafted a bill that, if passed by the state legislature and signed by Gov. Brad Henry (D), would require all presidential candidates to provide proof of birth if they wanted to be on the ballot in Oklahoma. “After that I was deluged by calls and e-mails from all over the country,” said Rep. Ritze.

Some of the people who contacted Ritze encouraged him to lobby his senators about a challenge to President-elect Obama’s official victory certification. He reached out to the offices of Sen. Tom Coburn (R) and Sen. James Inhofe (R). At first, said Ritze, staff at Ihofe’s office said they were “looking at a challenge,” but as time went on both offices turned him down.

A spokesman for Inhofe denied that the senator would challenge tomorrow’s certification, but the senator’s constituent letter on the subject might explain some confusion. “I can certainly appreciate the need for the appropriate review to ensure all candidates for the Presidency meet the basic requirements in the Constitution,” the senator’s office had written. “Again, thank you for bringing your concerns to my attention.”

Ritze has been “disappointed” by the disinterest which which senators and congressman have handled his requests. “I’ll use a medical term,” said Ritze, a medical doctor. “I think it eviscerates the Constitution if Article II, Section I is not followed.”

But if Ritze’s bill passes in Oklahoma, it will go into effect in June 2009, and the state will require proof of citizenship from any and all candidates for president in 2012. That, presumably, will include incumbent President Barack Obama.

“We think differently in Oklahoma,” said Rep. Ritze. “We don’t use nonsense. We use common sense.”

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127 Comments

Matthew
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 4:14 am

Beyond pathetic. Conservatism is dead…and now the corpse is beginning to stink.


ajm8127
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 4:49 am

“Thank you for contacting me with concerns about President-elect Barack Obama’s citizenship status,” wrote the office of David Vitter (R-Louisiana) to one request. “I appreciate hearing from you on this important issue.”

Sounds just like the opening to a letter Alren Specter sent to me about a request to explore green technologies and that they would actually help the economy, unlike the popular held belief of the time that any eco-friendly measure must also be economy-unfriendly. Aren't canned responses fun.

But seriously, last I saw Obama's approval rating for the transition was around 82%. No member of Congress in their right mind would challenge his victory.


Ted
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 5:56 am

JUST ONE DAY BEFORE CONGRESS VOTES ON ELECTORAL 'VOTE' CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS HAS DISTRIBUTED FOR CONFERENCE DR. ORLY'S LIGHTFOOT CASE!

MESSAGE — NOW RENEWED AS AN ALERT — TO EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS:

When counting the electoral votes, either Congress finds by 1/8/09 that Obama — not being an Article II “natural born citizen” (father Kenyan/British, not American, citizen) — fails to qualify as President whereupon Biden becomes the full fledged President under 3 USC 19 (free to pick his own VP such as Hillary) or thereafter defers to the Supreme Court to enjoin Obama’s inauguration with Biden becoming only Acting President under the 20th Amendment until a new President is duly determined.

The preferable choice (especially for the Democrats) — IN WHAT WILL BE THE MOST IMPORTANT AND HISTORIC CONGRESSIONAL VOTE SINCE THE AMERICAN CIVIL WAR — should seem obvious.

*SPECIAL AUDIO LINK MESSAGE TO JOHN MCCAIN:

http://www.oilforimmigration.org/facts/?p=691


Ted
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 6:04 am

CHALLENGE (with answer), CAN ANYONE PROVE THIS WRONG?:-

1. Constitution Article II requires USA President to be “natural born citizen”.

2. BHO's website admits his dad was Kenyan/British, not American, citizen when BHO was born.

3. BHO is therefore not a “natural born citizen” (irrespective of Hawaiian birth or whether he may be a 14th Amendment “citizen” of USA) — confirmed in the Senate's own McCain qualification resolution (that both parents must be citizens of USA) co-authored by BHO.

4. Supreme Court has already docketed two upcoming conferences, 1/9/09 and 1/16/09 — between dates Congress counts electoral votes (1/8/09) and Presidential inauguration (1/20/09) — to address Berg Case and fashion relief on BHO's eligibility to be President.

5. Since the fact of BHO's dad being Kenyan/British not in dispute, Supreme Court rules on Summary Judgment to enjoin BHO's inauguration as President.

6. Therefore, BHO is not inaugurated as President.

7. Vice President Elect Biden is inaugurated Acting President under the 20th Amendment to serve until new President is determined — the procedure for which determination to be set out by Congress and/or the Supreme Court so long as in conformance with the Constitution.

ANSWER TO ABOVE CHALLENGE

IF, when counting the electoral votes, Congress WERE TO find by 1/8/09 that Obama — not being an Article II “natural born citizen” (father Kenyan/British, not American) — fails to qualify as President, Biden would become the full fledged President under 3 USC 19 (free to pick his own VP such as Hillary) AND THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR DEFERRAL TO THE SUPREME COURT to enjoin Obama's inauguration relegating Biden to being merely Acting President under the 20th Amendment until a new President were duly determined.

(The preferable choice, at least for the Democrats, would seem obvious.)


Ted
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 6:06 am

CHALLENGE (with answer), CAN ANYONE PROVE THIS WRONG?:-

1. Constitution Article II requires USA President to be “natural born citizen”.

2. BHO's website admits his dad was Kenyan/British, not American, citizen when BHO was born.

3. BHO is therefore not a “natural born citizen” (irrespective of Hawaiian birth or whether he may be a 14th Amendment “citizen” of USA) — confirmed in the Senate's own McCain qualification resolution (that both parents must be citizens of USA) co-authored by BHO.

4. Supreme Court has already docketed two upcoming conferences, 1/9/09 and 1/16/09 — between dates Congress counts electoral votes (1/8/09) and Presidential inauguration (1/20/09) — to address Berg Case and fashion relief on BHO's eligibility to be President.

5. Since the fact of BHO's dad being Kenyan/British not in dispute, Supreme Court rules on Summary Judgment to enjoin BHO's inauguration as President.

6. Therefore, BHO is not inaugurated as President.

7. Vice President Elect Biden is inaugurated Acting President under the 20th Amendment to serve until new President is determined — the procedure for which determination to be set out by Congress and/or the Supreme Court so long as in conformance with the Constitution.

ANSWER TO ABOVE CHALLENGE

IF, when counting the electoral votes, Congress WERE TO find by 1/8/09 that Obama — not being an Article II “natural born citizen” (father Kenyan/British, not American) — fails to qualify as President, Biden would become the full fledged President under 3 USC 19 (free to pick his own VP such as Hillary) AND THERE WOULD BE NO NEED FOR DEFERRAL TO THE SUPREME COURT to enjoin Obama's inauguration relegating Biden to being merely Acting President under the 20th Amendment until a new President were duly determined.

(The preferable choice, at least for the Democrats, would seem obvious.)


Inert Maas
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 6:15 am

Indeed, yes. We hear the sense common in Oklahoma every time
senator Coburn or senator Inhofe speaks.


Cathy
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 6:55 am

Even more pathetic is the “lliberals” fear of opposing views. If you are so sure your way is the right way don't be threatened by opposing views, don't lash out at those who speak those opposing views, engage in intelligent discussions, be willing to even compromise. For all the talk liberals do about how fair they are, they are very unfair and mean-speaking to those who dare to speak opposing views.


Jim from Chicago
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 7:10 am

Your argument relies on the premise that both of Obama's parents must have been American citizens for him to be a “natural born citizen” of the US.

That premise is false. He was born within the United States, so he is a natural born citizen regardless of the citizenship held by his father.

Your reference to the McCain nonbinding resolution is also factually inaccurate. The Senate did not conclude as a rule that both parents of a “natural born citizen” must be citizens, they merely observed that McCain “was born to American citizens”. The resolution was primarily concerned with the fact that McCain was not born on American soil, potentially a much more substantive eligibility argument than this irrelevant nonsense about Obama's father's citizenship.


subscribetorss
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 7:11 am

Nobody is going to challenge anything. All of these clowns in congress went through the same security clearance investigation that PEBO went through. They know he's legit. If they didn't have the spine to smack down these wacky theories during the election, what makes you think they will go out on a limb to validate some looney constituent now?


David A
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 7:49 am

Try Googling “could Barack Obama get a security clearance” and read this:http://onekit.enr-corp.com/1003946/.
Maybe they just did not spot these associations ie. Ayers, Dohrn, Davis, Blago, Rezko, Odinga, just guys from the hood I guess, you know, progressive thinkers who like change.


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George
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 8:34 am

No – your argument is not proven.

First, “He was born within the United States” is THE issue at contest. The is evidence that he was NOT born in the US.

Second, he has only produced a COPY with black mark-out, of the “short-form” Birth Certificate from Hawaii. Because it is a) a copy, and not certified and b) blacked-out, it is legally, as stated at the bottom of it, “INVALID”.

Third, Hawaii is the only state with which will issue a Birth Certificate if a relative “says so” that somebody was born there. But it is not a Certification of Live Birth.

Fourth, Obama could spend $10, and produce the certified copy, and put this to rest. Instead, he has spent $1,000,000 fighting it with legal fees, to NOT produce the certified copy.

Fifth, his college transcripts (earlier copies – he won't release them now…) indicate that he received $$$ as “finanical aid to foreign student”, and presumably is the reason he is now legally fighting to prevent their release.

All this ad hominem attack about calling it “wacky conspiracy theories” is bunk.

The facts speak for themselves, and the issue is not going away.


subscribetorss
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 8:39 am

That's all nonsense. stop grasping at straws and deal with the fact that while your distaste of Obama's politics is perfectly legitimate, your wild eyed theories about the extent and nature of his associations are not.


David A
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 9:01 am

I don't think this dialogue is about theories. Any response to the eligibility , security, or the lack of meaningful dialogue from leaders? Focus on the facts please.

Natural Born Citizen: no

Allegiance to other countries at birth: yes

Place of birth: unconfirmed

Close enough ?: TBD


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fuzed
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 9:16 am

youre being too subtle :-/


ObamacrimesDOTcom
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 9:17 am

http://www.obamacrimes.info/thebirthcertificate…

Do the research for yourself. Obama should at least prove he is eligible. Is that really too much to ask?


David A
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 2:55 pm

Anyone can go to websites [try Citizen Wells go to Hall of Shame] to read the ridiculous replies sent by Senators and Congressmen , to American citizens. The inquiries reflect honest well researched positions, citing factual sources such as government websites, and current laws and the Constitution. The replies from our Honorable Representative make it clear they are willing to feign ignorance rather than respect the law. This CYA mentality is nothing less than pathetic. Our nation was established on virtues such as truth, honor, courage, patriotism and many more. I hope that this issue will be dealt with properly. If not it only serves to verify that many no longer value our once great heritage.


Dr. Glenn Waite
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 10:06 am

This issue has to be resolved on its merits, not on techinical non-merit issues. The Courts and the House of Representatives and the Senate have to resolve this issue on its merits one way or the other. Otherwise, every citizen is potentially in trouble.


Robert Stevens
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 10:09 am

A growing number of voters believe that something is amiss with Obama's eligiblity. To deny this is just sheer fantasy. If Congress and the Senate refuse to address this, then the voting public will do so.


subscribetorss
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 11:11 am

All of your points require a willful suspension of common sense.
You honestly think that PEBO's mother and father planted a birth announcement in a newspaper back in the 1961? You think you have better information than the The director of Hawaii’s Department of Health? They confirmed that PEBO was born in Honolulu. How is it that you know something they don't? What physical evidence can you provide to contradict their findings?
none. Just theories. You should skip any further posting on this subject and go directly to posting instructions about the proper way to fold a tinfoil hat .


David A
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 12:24 pm

I have willfully suspended my trust in the MSM, I hope others do likewise.

I have gone to the Hawaii Health and actually read it for myself. It does not confirm place of birth, please go read it yourself. Your information appears to be drawn from the AP article which added all the nonsense that you are quoting. Facts are what count , not the silly talking points that you and many members of congress are passing off as facts.

Keep the change, stop hiding the docs please Mr. PEBO.

Here's the quote:
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

PS I'll keep my tin foil hat over a dunce cap any day.


Dick_Hertz
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 12:39 pm

Oklahoma: The Land that Evolution Forgot and God ignored.
How despicable, desperate, deranged and delusional do you have to be to be one of these birther morons? How bad do things have to get to keep people from voting Republican, over and over, when after 6 years of total dominance of all three branches of government they gave you rightards nothing you asked for and spent the time in diapers with hookers (Vitter) and trying to have gay sex (Craig) or screw young boys (Foley)? That is your conservativism in a nutsack right there. They didn't get you prayer in school, they didn't ban abortions, they didn't make a flat tax. You all got screwed and you liked it, and you'd like it best if the Democrats didn't keep you from more abuse. Rightards are sucky losers. Quit it and let Obama blossom into mediocrity or not as he will.


Dick_Hertz
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 12:42 pm

A tin foil dunce cap will certainly improve your lack of credibility but overabundance of credulity.

What's your REAL problem? Seriously. Addicted to being a loser? Inability to accept reality on its own terms? Or just unwilling to admit that conservativism is the God that Failed 2.0 and a worthless philosophy designed to keep you a chump?


Dick_Hertz
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 12:51 pm

We had 8 years of your philosophy and now the country is ruined. We aren't afraid of opposing views, we are tired of irrational views, of people who put selfishness, greed, racism, and violence ahead of love for country. We are sick of people who hate America because it was founded in liberalism, liberty, and reason when they wish it was a Baptist summer camp for white power advocates. We want a country where people pull their weight and don't complain about having to pay taxes, where we don't go to war for money, and don't borrow our nation into debt to communist China because the inherited wealth elites want to become aristocrats.
Conservatives are the meanies and everyone knows it. How many dead Kennedies are there? Who shoots OBGYNs and bombs their clinics? Who resorts to violence and threats at every turn? Conservatives. So look at that mirror, lady, and see who is really rotten and corrupt. The party of Foley, Vitter, Craig, and so on.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 1:29 pm

As I've pointed out many times, Dave Weigel is just a lying, establishment hack. He's also not a real journalist.

The fact remains that *no definitive proof of where BHO was born has ever been provided*. You're probably heard that the state of HI confirmed he was born in HI. That's false. All they did was say that he had a valid cert on file. They did not confirm where he was born.

Not only that, but when I asked the state of HI to confirm the assumption that they had verified where he was born, they “took the Fifth”:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship

Weigel is basing his assumptions on the 10/31 statements from the state of Hawaii, yet those statements don't say anything about where BHO was born. And, when I asked the state of Hawaii to confirm those assumptions, they refused.

Given those facts, a real journalist would immediately get on the phone and try to get confirmation of their assumptions, just to be sure. Weigel has repeatedly refused to do so. I've left several comments at this site and when he was at Reason, and I know he's read the ones at the last site.

So, here's the number: (808) 586-4442. Weigel should call their spokeswoman Janice Okubo and try to get confirmation of his assumptions. Then he should print her response.

Weigel is, once again, too much of a lying, establishment hack and too little of a reporter to even pick up the phone and call Hawaii.

You can't trust anything Dave Weigel says.


subscribetorss
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 1:48 pm

Too bad congress just certified his victory!
Oh no!
What will you do now?
I have an idea: Go find a brand new whacko theory to fantasize about and post comments about it on the internet!


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 1:54 pm

Do you have any sort of valid argument regarding the points I raised? Here's an idea: why don't you pick up the phone and call Hawaii and then post what they say about their 10/31 statement. Then, you could too could be more of a journalist than Weigel.


subscribetorss
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 2:02 pm

Just like you, right?
If you are more of a journalist than Weigel, why are you relegated to trolling the comments sections while he's writing the articles?


Cal
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

Is Vitter that out of touch or is it just convenient to play dumb about what Hawaii Officials attested to? If any Senator votes to confirm the electorate votes for Obama without proof positive he is in fact a natural born citizen, isn't that treason or at the very least dereliction of duty?


Dick Lover
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 2:53 pm

Dick, you could easily be in Israel getting bombed by your distant cousins, but no, you are here, and you are subject to the requirements the framers of this great country put in to play. They require the president to be a natural born citizen, plain and simple. And I am sure in due time we will find out. Long live the USA.


Cris Ericson
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 2:56 pm

Hi! The “Certification of Live Birth” provided by Hawaii,
in the lower right hand corner,
gives legal notice:
[HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]
Hawaii Revised Statutes
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov
HRS 338-13(b) is subject to the requirements of
338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.

HRS 338-16 is a certificate of birth
registered one year or more after the date of birth,
and/or altered.

On the Certification of Live Birth provided by Hawaii,
it gives another legal notice:

OHSM 1.1 (Rev. 11/01)LASER

Laser refers to HRS 338-19 which allows the types
of copies to be made, microphotographic, etc.

HRS 338-19 states the reason for such copy
made under this section is that the original, by
reason of age, usage, or otherwise,
is in such a condition that it cannot be used to certify to
correctness of such copies.

Again, look in the lower right hand corner of the
Certification of Live Birth provided by Hawaii
and see the legal notice
[HRS 338-13(b), 338-19]

Most alarming is the Revision of November 2001
(Rev. 11/01)
because this occurred after September 11, 2001.

Now, re-read HRS 338-13(b), because it states it is subject
to the requirements of
338-16, 338-17 and 338-18.

HRS 338-17 is a late or altered certificate
and the probative value
shall be determined by a judicial or administrative body before
whom the certificate is offered as evidence.

HRS 338-17.7 further explains that a new certificate of birth
is prepared
when previously recorded information
has been altered
and by
the (5) request of a Law enforcement agency
certifying that a new
birth certificate showing
different information
would provide for the
safety of the birth registrant.

However that section may be used
in a witness protection program,
because the Department of Justice
is also in charge of immigration
and nationalization and may be a
law enforcement agency requesting
a new birth certificate, and also
because under
8 USCS Section 1103(a)(1)
it is the DUTY of the Attorney General
to enforce immigration and naturalization
of aliens under 8 USCS section 1401,
but also under all other laws
relating to immigration and naturalization,
so that would include
Hawaii HRS 338-17.7
to provide a new birth certificate showing different information
for the safety of the birth registrant.

Therefore, the Hawaii Certification of Live Birth
was altered, filed late,
and may have been altered more than once,
after 11/01
which means that in November 2001,
after September 11, 2001
Barack Obama may have had an alien naturalization
hearing and may have requested
changes in his birth records
because, noting that his birth date
is August 4, 1961 and a Registrar recorded
the birth August 8, 1961,
it is possible that his mother flew from Kenya
and her flight stopped off in several countries
to load and unload passengers and baggage
and she may have given birth anywhere
between Kenya and Hawaii,
she may have given birth in Saudi Arabia,
Iran, anywhere,
and the Department of Justice,
after September 11, 2001
may have allowed a change in information
for the safety of Barack Obama.

These laws are Un-Constitutionally vague and
overbroad and deny registered voters the material
facts they need to know if
Barack Obama is a naturalized alien
or a natural born citizen.

Cases set for Conference before the Supreme
Court of the United States January 9, 26, 23, 2009.
http://www.supremecourtus.gov
Scroll to search by docket #s
08-570
and
08A524

Various cases have been denied by people who want
to know, is Barack Obama a natural born citizen?

The above cases hopefully will not be denied.

Unless we, the people, are given the underlying material
facts upon which the Certification of Live Birth
was provided, and how many alterations of facts
there were, how many layers, how many certificates
issued and the previous one sealed and a new
one issued,
then there will always be a silent scream,
“secret government sucks!”
“government secrets suck!”

Cris Ericson http://crisericson.com


Cal
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 2:59 pm

Dick_Hertz (how clever, I wonder why)
No amount of bullying, name calling, or threats will deter us from seeking the truth. I am and never have Anti-Obama, far-right, or a conspiracy theorists. I just want the proof the man is who and what he says he is and I have every right ask for it. I AM NOT A SHEEP.


Bruce
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 3:39 pm

Be careful what you ask for. If BHO is determined to not be a citizen and therefore can not serve as President WE END UP WITH Biden or maybe even Pelois. That would be a WHOLE LOT WORSE!!!!!


Cal
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 3:40 pm

What happened to Linder? Obama was just confirmed uncontested!


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 3:57 pm

Allow me to suggest to everyone that long blocks of text about possible legal technicalities aren't that helpful. Instead, please concentrate on things that are provably true: the state of Hawaii did not say what hacks like Weigel are pretending they said. All they said is that there's a valid cert on file. They did not confirm anything on the cert. They did not verify the cert on BHO's site.

Just concentrate on that, because showing that hacks like Weigel are lying – and he's harming the reputation of the Washington Independent – is all that's needed at this point.

See my previous comment for the details.

For extra credit, do as I did and write the WI's editor suggesting that they just pick up the phone and call Hawaii.


jgkojak
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 4:10 pm

1. Obama's mother is an American citizen (from Kansas). If my wife, who is an American citizen (born in Mass.), flies overseas to, say, Kenya and gives birth, my son is an American citizen, even if I am deceased or divorced. That is the law of the land period.

2. So… how in the world then is Obama not a citizen???


snark patrol
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 4:35 pm

excellent snark!


snark patrol
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 4:38 pm

the courts and the congress HAVE resolved it. the courts have dismissed the cases. the congress certified the election. move on.


Joe Six-Pack
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 4:45 pm

The birth certificate issue is a smoke screen. THIS IS NOT THE ISSUE. Obama was probably born in Hawaii, BUT THERE ARE QUESTIONS AS TO WHETHER HE IS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

1. He was a dual national at birth;
2. He was likely an Indonesian citizen;

THESE ARE SERIOUS CONSTITUTIONAL QUESTIONS.

http://www.JoeSixPack.me


Barb
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 5:10 pm

The Constitution states that to hold the office of president one must be a NATURAL citizen meaning both parents must be American citizens. That is BOTH parents must be Americans. Obama's father was a Kenyan and a birth certificate has not been presented, but a certification of birth with no listing of parents, doctor, hospital, etc. Obama has spent over 1 million dollars to fight this claim. He has frozen his Colunbia records which would clearly solve this issue. Obviously, he has somrething to hide and obviously we no longer have the 5th column in this country.


maji
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 5:15 pm

I wonder how many of you blogging on this web site have EVER asked to see the birth certificate of ANY other presidential candidate or president-elect. If you haven't requested this information of other candidates or presidents-elect, why THIS president-elect at THIS point in recent history? You've had plenty of opportunities. I feel that there is something motivating this action that you are not stating or acknowledging. I will be sure to check this web site in the future when the next presidential election is held to see whether you will be demanding to see the birth certificates of future candidates running for POTUS. If I do not see the request(s) for birth certificates, I'll have more insight into possible motivations driving the present outrage over the supposed failure of PE Obama to verify his birth certificate. I'm depending on you to make the request(s) for those birth certificates. I really think you should do this since it seems to be so important to you. I want to check to make sure that you are consistently applying the same standard(s) for future candidates that you are demanding for this one.


Cal
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 11:40 pm

Bruce,
If Obama is found not eligible to have run then he could not have had a running mate….NO BIDEN. The election would be de-certified, in other void. A new election would have to held.


cjk002
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 6:46 pm

Actually, he got 70,000,000 votes, more than any other presidential candidate in history.

I think this fact is what drives the conspriacy nuts crazy more than anything else. They couldn't beat Obama in an election, so all they have left is to desperately cling to this, ignoring the fact that no serious and/or sane person believes there is any merit to it.


snark patrol
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 12:35 am

so what…now there are 100 of you in that “growing numbers” category? or 1000? the man got 53 million votes. get a clue. get clue junior even. sheesh.


Jim
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 8:26 pm

LIES! LIES! LIES!
HAWAII NEVER, I SAY NEVER SAID THE “ORIGINAL” BIRTH CERTIFICATE THEY HOLD IS HAWAIIAN!!!!! IT IS KENYAN! KENYAN! KENYAN! NOT HAWAIIAN!

WAKE UP AND HAVE SOME LITERATE PERSON READ THAT NEWS BULLETIN TO YOU!

HAAWAIIAN OFFICIALS NEVER SAID THE ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE THEY HAVE IS HAWAIIIAN BECAUSE IT IS KENYAN!


Jim
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 8:45 pm

The “Certificate of Live Birth” Obama has offered 'is' FIRST: not a valid “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” it does not state HOSPITAL, DOCTOR, or WITNESSES!
SECOND: it is a FORGERY! PROVEN! THIRD: there is a tape of Obama's Paternal Grandmother stating she was present when Obama, her grandson, was born in a Mombass, Kenya Hospital,! The tape is witnessed by two Religious Ministers!
See this at obamacrimes.com. Phil Berg's Web Site!


Jim
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 8:52 pm

The “Certificate of Live Birth” Obama has offered 'is' FIRST: not a valid “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” it does not state HOSPITAL, DOCTOR, or WITNESSES!
SECOND: it is a FORGERY! PROVEN! THIRD: there is a tape of Obama's Paternal Grandmother stating she was present when Obama, her grandson, was born in a Mombass, Kenya Hospital,! The tape is witnessed by two Religious Ministers!
See this at obamacrimes.com. Phil Berg's Web Site!


OldGaDawg
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 10:58 pm

The U.S. Supreme Court should also show interest in Mr. Obama and not allow a possible Constitutional Crisis to heat up and erupt over something as simply practical as showing ones true “full form / vaulted” birth certificate.
Those to whom are fighting against this must also have knowledge of Mr. Obama's past and the issue with this document that he has repetitively, legally by suppressing necessary information to the truth to his being legally qualified to hold the seat of Commander and Chief.


OldGaDawg
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 11:09 pm

Past Presidents were not held to this for the reason that all knew as to there true birth – this had to be because the U.S. Constitution was followed to each and every word.
Another are those to whom play “the racial” card.
To me – black – white – purple or green is not the issue. And plainly shows to me the IGNORANCE in people to whom that try to make this a “black / white” issue.


OldGaDawg
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 11:21 pm

Agree. But – Who holds this information? And why is any of this information not being released? Still Mr. Obama has repetitively showed nothing but disrespect for our U.S. Constitution for not revealing documents that were being required by court some months ago [2008] and that there should had been a subpoena for Mr. Obama and his lawyers that did not show up for court that particular day?
This information has probably been known years ago and has been completely covered up by those to whom are pushing against having this issue resolved.


OldGaDawg
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 11:26 pm

You would hold a duel citizenship and therefor not be legible. This is The Law Of Our U.S. Constitution.


OldGaDawg
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 11:28 pm

eligible — Type O for legible…..


burdell
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 11:33 pm

You got the conspiracy part right. The only problem you have is that it's no longer theory. It's fact.


thalightguy
Comment posted January 8, 2009 @ 11:43 pm

I do not see why it's so hard to believe that our forefathers did not want anyone with any kind of foreign sovereignty to become President. Hence the natural born citizen clause. I'ts the only conclusion that makes any sense.


lorac
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 1:11 am

1. this is NOW, that was 1961. Laws change, and aren't retroactive.
2. A citizen is not necessarily a natural born citizen, which is what the constitution requires for the president and vice president.
3. Women keep running over the borders to have their babies in California. Their babies are US citizens. But they are not natural born. Can't run for president.


lorac
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 1:18 am

I heard a while back that they may have been altered when Soetero adopted him. Apparently the original birth certificate will be sealed, and only the new one available thereafter.


superfly
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 6:54 am

Wow, what rock did all you nutjobs crawl from under? You're making the “aliens are real, just ask the government” bumper-sticker people look kind of compelling.

You may have noticed Obama's upcoming cabinet is packed! with rappers, right? Gay rappers? Also there's that Super Fly guy who will be Secretary of State. Obviously they've all been disguised. And no doubt you've heard the rumors that we (the dirty hippy conspirators that have injected him into office ILLEGALLY) will soon be shipping anyone in the country with an IQ approximating room temperature — to Uzbekistan? Keezahs people, run for the hills!

Haven't you, like the rest of us, watched the people you voted for ruin this country? They've driven it down into to a place no one has explored in many years. But that's Clinton's fault right? And you want anyone to take you seriously?

No one you've ever supported has seen you as anything but stupid third-rate cattle. With a vote. And you've proven so useful. Easily led, when necessary, to a kind of malleable hysteria. Hey–like now!

You have a chance here to kick back while the country hopefully recovers from the damage you've helped enable. You could spend some time reading up on ethics, or logic, or history, or spelling…. Maybe get a subscription to Harpers. Jesus, do anything but look like such fools as this.


John
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 8:36 am

The law in effect at the time Obama was born states that if he were born overseas to have “natural born” status and be eligible to hold the Office of the President his mother had to live in the US for 5 years after her 14th birthday.
http://www.volokh.com/posts/1227910730.shtml

So, as I now read 8 U.S.C. § 1401, “a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States” before Nov. 14, 1986 is a natural-born citizen only if the citizen parent “was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years” — the same rule that was in place in the early 1960s. See also United States v. Flores-Villar, 497 F. Supp. 2d 1160, 1162-64 (S.D. Cal. 2007) (taking the same view and concluding the change from ten years/five years to five years/two years only applied to people born after 1986), aff'd, 536 F.3d 990 (9th Cir. 2008) (so assuming but not discussing it in detail); Rico-Ibarra v. Mukasey, 281 Fed. Appx. 694, 695 n.1 (9th Cir. 2008) (not precedential).

We do not know where Obama was officially born as the Certification of Live Birth does not contain any verifiable facts such as the name of the hospital, doctors or witnesses.


John
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 8:37 am

Sorry, as Obama Mama was only 18 when Obama was born she did not meet the 5 years after 14 standard.


Etraveler13
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 9:09 am

And nothing happened, the count was made, and nothing was said..typical…


martin
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 1:27 pm

So, if there's evidence of Obama is guilty of perjury, why hasn't he been charged in IL for filing a false declaration of candidacy for State Senate, U.S. Senate or President? Probably because it's a false charge. The HI cert of live birth shows his state of birth as HI, county of Oahu. Foreign births are not certified by states but by filing a Consular Report of Birth Abroad with the US Dept of State. For those who are blinded by their prejudices and refuse to read the bottom of the HI certificate where it says, “evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding” please either put up in IL court or shut up. There is no other legal recourse. There's just noise in the wind.


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 2:10 pm

The only thing we know for certain is that the state of HI did *not* verify that BHO was born in HI, contrary to what Weigel, Vitter, FactCheck, and other hacks state.

All they said is that he has a valid cert on file. And, *according to HI state law*, those born outside HI can get HI birth certs.

That doesn't mean that BHO wasn't born there. However, it does mean that we still don't know where he was born. Try and wrap your mind around the difference.

All the details that hacks like Dave Weigel are trying to cover up are discussed here:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship


martin
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 2:28 pm

Most state forms were changed around this time. The blank forms. That was to make them harder to copy by scanners. LASER is the type of printer to be used. HRS 338-19 allows this form to be used to prove citizenship in a public environment. Again to deter fraud and identity theft. Your supposition that using this form in a public environment is proof of an altered original is false. It's not supported by the State of HI. It is entirely supposition on your part that a form that MAY be used for any number of reasons by the State of HI actually WAS used isn't supported.


agorabum
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 3:37 pm

Hey Lie-brals! Get a brain, Morans!

Seriously, I love how Weigel brings in the ciizenship tin foil brigade.
You people: no one is afraid of you. We just laugh at you.

You confuse “evidence” (i.e. in one phone call someone mistranslated his Grandman's response so it sounded like she said he was born in Kenya) with “credible evidence” (all the other evidence that indicates he was born in Hawaii). You weigh the evidence, and it's pretty clear he was born in Hawaii.

14th amendment: All persons born …in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States…

The vast preponderance of the evidence says he was born in Hawaii, which was a State. That's it. There are no declarations under oath or of anything with similar reliability saying he was born outside of the US. And it's a longstanding precedent that once you're born here, you are a citizen, even if your parents take you out of the US for much of your childhood.


Joe Six-Pack
Comment posted January 9, 2009 @ 5:19 pm

This is the issue. Obama holds the information, and has used legal technicalities to keep it from being reviewed. Anyone in their right mind should be suspicious. If it turns out everything is in order, then there is no problem.

BUT THE ISSUE NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED.


M
Comment posted January 10, 2009 @ 7:20 am

And, *according to HI state law*, those born outside HI can get HI birth certs.

___

Can they get official state documents that say they were born in Honolulu?


Jim
Comment posted January 10, 2009 @ 7:21 pm

I ANTICIPATED THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS RE: “POTUS' 3 MONTHS AGO!?
I sent this email (copy below) to Phil Berg October 19, 2008.
(As a former D.A. and practising Attorney Phil Berg should know this!)
(He never answered me!)
Hello Phil; QUESTION:
Can Obama & Dean, get away with delaying “DISCOVERY” until after Election Day?
I believe the answer is a resounding —YES!
I base this determination on two things, one: until Obama is actually “President-Elect”,
he is 'considered' just another citizen(?) with the same rights as any other citizen, meaning-
he has “the right to remain silent”, or, he can “take the 5th”, i.e. refuse to “testify against
himself.”
So, he does not have to comply with the Courts request for documents about himself.
Thus, two: he would not be designated “President-Elect” by the Electoral College, until all the Votes are counted, which does not happen until after “Election Day”!
Only 'then', prior to “Inauguration”; 'he' “MAY” be required' by Congress to produce the
documents that prove he is qualified to be president.
However, I do not believe Congress, or any other entity is 'mandated' by any law,
to verify a President's qualifications!
So, we may 'wind up' with a Muslim, illegal alien, for our
next President and Commander in Chief of our Armed Forces!
——————————-
Jim
======================================================
(I'm adding this January 10, 2009)
UNLESS;
The U. S. Supreme Court acts to defend our U. S. Constitution, and America from
the extreme negligence of Howard Dean; the Federal Elections Committee; the
fifty one States; the U. S. Secretary of State; the Electoral College; and, Congress;
and, demands certified official documentation proving Barack Hussein Obama meets
the U. S. Constitutional required qualifications to be President of United States, and
Commander in Chief of U. S. Armed Forces!


levotb
Comment posted January 10, 2009 @ 7:34 pm

While we patriots appreciate this OBOT author for posting this story, he did the story a real disservice by at first trying to “marginalize” patriots like State Rep. Dr. Mike Ritze who is the only elected official working feverishly to get the word out that Obama is not a nbc. The author fails to mention the fact that Obama became an Indonesion citizen as a boy, that there are documents proving this, and that there is not only no Certificate of Birth being put forth by Obama, but there is also no document from Obama showing that he re-entered the U.S. properly so that he could one day beceome a citizen.


Ann
Comment posted January 10, 2009 @ 9:42 pm

Sorry maji, you are terribly wrong. The democrats screamed because McCain(also ineligible) was bor in Panama, but McCain didn't lock everything up & hide behind lawyers, he proudle proved his birth certificate immediately. so what happened then? The DNC & Obama and a few of his Senate buddies shoved a Senate Resoluton concurring “natural born citizenship: on John Sidney Mcain and that my friend, was the true smoke screen. How convenient, all the Dems cry foul, but then realize they have the same problem, they didn't have time to change Article II of the constitution, though they have tried, so they go the easy route to throw us all off the track by passing S. Res. 511 in May of 2008. You can look it up as well as their revisions to the Article II in Senate committee records from 2000 to 2007, which they could not get out of committee. They are both quite a good reads, but unfortunately hold no legal merit as to citizenship. So rest assured, this has NOTHING to do with party politics, it has EVERYTHING to do with following the law set forth in the Constitution.


Ann
Comment posted January 10, 2009 @ 9:55 pm

the 14th amendment was to provide citizenship to those whom were NOT born to 2 us citizens, therefore no one who aquires their citizenship via the 14th ammendment can ever be a “Natural Born Citizen” : one who is born to 2 citizen parents on US soil, therefore needing NO Amendment to confer his/her citizenship on him/her : fact..case closed!

DUHHHHH…GET IT!!!!


V Badford
Comment posted January 10, 2009 @ 10:36 pm

there's very little reason not to put you guys in prison!!!


Jerrod
Comment posted January 10, 2009 @ 11:29 pm

LOL, all capitals. Well done. You've perfectly approximated crazy right-winger number 3.


ldrancer
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 12:00 am

don't you mean pro-american president people


Damien Brockmann
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 12:07 am

Here's one element of your theory that hasn't yet passed the common sense test:

You predicate your theory on the idea that his parent(s) must have lied about the place of Obama's birth from the beginning without knowing that one day he would be president.

Why would Obama's family keep secret for 40+ years this idea that he was born in Kenya? Why?? Did they know in 1961 that Obama would one day be the first black president, and that it would be essential to conceal his foreign birth in order to keep his place in history? How could they have known that? Certainly not… What other reason do they have for covering up the place of Obama's birth? Many American kids are born in other nations.. Their families don't lie about it… In many case it becomes a badge of honor… It helps a kid growing up to differentiate himself from the rest of the pack….

If Obama was really born in Kenya, why the hell aren't there a hundred plus people out there who recall the Obamas back in the 60s and 70s talking about their son/ grandson who was born in Kenya? It doesn't make any sense.

If you want a real conspiracy theory, check out the Supreme Court ruling on Bush v. Gore.


Douglas Watts
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 12:08 am

That graphic makes no sense.

What does the uncooked spaghetti in the hand represent?

The uncounted votes from Sardinia?


whatevs
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 1:09 am

Tangential but readers should be aware that Ron Paul is a big fan of the John Birch Society too (google Ron Paul John Birch Society).


Pepe
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 1:25 am

All right, here are the facts, and I speak as a Constitutional scholar.

1. “Natural Born Citizen” wrt eligibility to be elected POTUS is not defined in the Constitution and has never been defined by the Supreme Court. It has been left undefined.

2. It is said (and IIRC, Obama's site agrees, though I'm not sure) that Obama was born with dual citizen ship, US & UK (Kenya was a UK colony at the time), the UK portion of which automatically expired when he ceased being a minor. Since Obama is a US citizen, and never went through any naturalization process to become such, we must conclude that he was born with his US citizenship, meaning that he is a natural born citizen (at least colloquially speaking, which is good enough, as I show below).

3. The voters knew that Obama's father was Kenyan and that his mother was American.

4. The only person with standing to bring forth a case against Obama on this issue is John McCain, who has declined.

5. The Congress also declined to take up this issue as they officially counted and certified the electoral college vote.

6. Let's say the Supreme Court were to seriously take up this matter (rather than dismissing the various law suits without comment (i.e. tossing them into the garbage while laughing), as they are doing now). The Supreme Court is not not inclined to overturn an election in which 130 million people voted. So they would look for *any* reason to define “Natural Born Citizen” wrt POTUS in such a way as to include Obama, and Obama having an American mother is enough for them to do so, regardless of where he was born or whether he had dual-citizenship at birth.

7. Finally, in matters such as these, the Supreme Court usually defers to the people. In this matter the Supreme Court would figure that Obama's mother being American was enough to meet the qualifications for POTUS as far as the people are concerned, since they voted for him.

Either 6 or 7 (or both) would happen if the Supreme Court took up this issue with earnest, and neither of the outcomes is to the lunatic right-wing fringe's liking.

P.S.
The right wingers worship the ground that Chief Justice Roberts walks on. Roberts is an honorable patriot, and will refuse to administer the oath of office if he feels that Obama doesn't meet the requirements, right? If Chief Justice Roberts does administer the oath of office to Obama, will you right wingers accept that this issue is dead, or will you include even Roberts in your conspiracy theories?


David H
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 1:34 am

The people who are complaining so bitterly that President elect Obama hasn't proven his citizenship are the same people who just eight years ago were saying, “Legal issues, schmegal issues. The Supreme Court elected him, get over it.” What they're actually saying now of course is that he hasn't proven his citizenship TO THEIR SATISFACTION. The problem is that proving it to their satisfaction would require putting them in a time machine, taking them back to the day of his birth, marching them into the hospital and propping their eyes open while they watch him being born. And then they would just say that you still haven't proven that the babies weren't switched at some later point. The people who were offended eight years ago by any suggestion of illegitimacy will today scream “illegitimate” no matter what anyone does. It's called conservatism, although there are other words that mean the same thing.


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Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 7:28 am

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AxelDC
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 5:48 am

So, they want to overturn a 9-million vote majority on a conspiracy theory for which they have no proof.

Is it any wonder that Republicans have lost 14 Senate seats, 50+ House seats, 8 Governorships and the White House since 2006? They have brought economic ruin, fiscal bankruptcy and 2 losing wars to us, and this is the fight they want?


A. Fuchs
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 7:14 am

My lord, these right wing crazies are snapping left and right. We're going to need a bigger re-education camp, maybe a new use for Guantanamo. Or we could rendition them all to Belarus.

Go away, you morons. You're insulting our intelligence and proving only your own lack of respect for the office of the Presidency, the electoral process, and your sorry, illiterate selves.

I especially love the posts urging us to “read” things that are clearly written by people who couldn't read the back of a cereal box. Learn how to spell “Hawai'i” before you make a fool of yourselves.

I hope you all choke to death on your own bile.


pam
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 7:21 am

you conspiracy theorist really need to get a effin life, your wastin your time we elected him it is over, its a done deal now its time to move on.


pam
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 3:20 pm

lmao they are so sad arent they


kbcarter
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 10:53 am

I highly encourage the rightwingers to continue with this matter. In fact, make it the #1 priority in the GOP platform. Run on it in the 2010 elections and 2012 Presidential election.

Please.

Pretty please.

With sugar on top.


mem1
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 1:11 pm

This is all so unreal. It feels like a college prank or something gone bad. Think about it. Can’t you see three or four college students sitting around the bar drinking, shooting the sh*t and bragging about how good they are? It goes something like this:

I’ll tell you what, the American people are so stupid. I’ll bet you I can tell them all a story, tell them all what they want to hear and get myself elected president. No… you’re not that smooth a talker… you’re not even eligible… Hell, just who you know, what they can prove will stop you. They’ll make you prove who you are and what you’ve done. You know how the media is, they’ll ask you all kinds of questions… Like I said, I’ll tell them what they want to hear. What about documentation? I’ll just assure everyone that I have it and drag my feet about actually showing it to them. As time goes by, I’ll have so many dumb*sses that love me. I’ll make them feel bad about asking me to do anything as awkward as showing them paperwork.
Ya gotta remember, I’m following George W. All I have to do is play the other side. Anybody can beat George W. and I’ll just make the other guy look like George W. I’ll tell you what, I’ll go ya one better…I’ll even play out Hitler’s life story and they’ll still elect me… But you’re broke, where are you going to get the money? Aw, that’s not a problem. Let’s see, what liberal dumb*ss do I want to hit up for the money? How ‘bout Soros?
Ok… and what about the NRA? You know Hitler took away everyone’s guns in Germany. The NRA is awful fond of that second amendment. You just watch, I’ll tell such a good story. By the time the NRA questions me, I’ll have so much money they won’t know what hit them. But, you will still be running against someone else. Even if you can paint them to look like George W., they’ll have money and backing too. Yeah, that’s true…. Let’s see…
Ah, I have it. I’ll tell the story that I’m going to run using campaign reform money and get them going down that line. I’ll make them feel like they have to do the same and then run with the big money in the end. George W. has p*ssed off a lot of foreigners too. I’ll take their money too.
Let’s see… ok, “youth camps” to brainwash the kids… brown shirt “military”… What else did Hitler do? What else do I need to get going?
But they’re going to make you prove who you are. Yeah, and I’ll play out the race card… the fear card. I’ll make them afraid to push it too far because of what my backers might do if they try to stop me.
You just watch………………………………………………………

Unfortunately, it’s not funny. A constitutional crisis exists in the United States. There are questions that must be decided by the Supreme Court. The question isn’t just “is Obama eligible to be president?” At the very least, those questions are:
1) Who has standing to demand proof that a candidate is in fact eligible to run for an office? (Before the fact, this might actually be a case for the legislature)
2) Who is responsible for making sure a candidate is properly vetted? Fingers are pointing in all directions, but nobody is taking the responsibility. I got an answer from my representative that the voters vetted Obama at the polls. If that is truly the case, then anyone who voted should have standing to sue for proof. (Before the fact, this might actually be a case for the legislature)
3) Can an individual who is born with dual citizenship, with competing loyalties meet the criteria for being a natural born citizen of the United States of America?
4) This really is a case for the legislature but I throw it in here for completeness. I keep reading that surely the FBI, CIA and Homeland Security have checked out Obama’s credentials so all this proof that everyone wants to see has already been checked out. Wrong. Has his security clearance even been verified? Shouldn’t it be?


24AheadDotCom
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 1:21 pm

I've updated the page linked below to make my argument clearer. Despite the strawmen constructed by Obama fans below, I'm not saying that Obama was born one place or another. All I'm saying is that we don't really know, because no definitive proof has been offered.

Bear in mind that many media sources have outright lied about this issue, for instance by trying to claim that the state of Hawaii said something they did not in fact say. I'm sure if you approach this with an open mind and look at the original source documents, provided at the link, you'll agree with me:

http://24ahead.com/s/obama-citizenship

Below the summary at that page is a link to a recap of a conversation I had with this paper's editor. It was like talking to someone who'd been a member of a cult for twenty years.


E in MD
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 1:52 pm

According to Article I, section 8, clause 4, the US Congress has the power to establish a uniform standard of naturalization. This standard has been in place since the ratification of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution (July 9, 1868) and has been modified over the years by changes in existing laws the most recent of which was the Child Citizen Act of 2000.

The bottom line is that if ONE of your parents is a naturalized US Citizen YOU are a naturalized citizen. It doesn't matter where you were born.

Obama's mother, Ann Dunham Sutoro, was born in Kansas in November 29, 1942. That makes her a naturalized citizen and therefore – regardless of where his father was from or had citizenship – makes her offspring citizens as well. Even if Obama was not born in Hawaii as he very obviously was, he would still be a US citizen and if Obama is not a citizen then neither is John McCain as he was born in the Panama Canal zone before any status of forces agreement or ownership treaty was signed.

Your cynical, divisive, partisan and racist attempt to overturn the will of the the large majority of US voters to your own benefit will not work in this case. As far as “no definitive proof has been offered” what more definitive proof would you like other than his birth certificate – which I might add is the only real proof of citizenship any of the rest of us have – would you like to travel back in time and witness his birth personally?

To paraphrase 'justice' Antonin Scalia – You lost. Get over it.

If you wingnuts are so 'interested in ensuring that the Constitution is not subverted' then perhaps you should try actually reading it and then try looking into the Bush administration's suspension of habeas corpus, most of the bill of rights and use of torture.


Paul Hobbs
Comment posted January 11, 2009 @ 2:40 pm

These right-wingers are, of course, nuts. They just can't get over the idea that someone like Obama–on the basis of his intellect,talent, and hard work–can hold our highest office. Well I've got some news: the most important idea of this country is that it's not supposed to matter who your father was. You should be able to go as far as your talent and guts can take you.
I think some of these dumb-asses would rather live under a king….


herman
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Oh good. I'm an ass because I actually read the constitution. A naturalized citizen is not a natural born citizen. “Natural born” is used only once in the entire constitution. It is used in Article 2, section 1 to determine the elegibility of a person to become president. Our founding fathers thought that it should be required of anyone wanting to be president. I agree.


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Truly a fine rant! However, do you have his birth certificate? Has Obama taken even such a simple step as asking Hawaii to verify that what's on his site matches what they have on file? Has Obama given it to, say, a judge for review, or did he fight against a judge seeing it? (Hint: the latter).

What kind of mental munchkin could accept a picture on a website as definitive proof of a legal document? No judge would do that. I swear, they must have had Obama's fans in mind when they made Idiocracy.


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Actually the 'Democrats' did no screaming about McCain's birth in Panama…. as a matter of fact the person who initiated the 1st case against Obama's eligability also brought up a case against McCain as well . There was another candidate brought up that it was established that he was a Legal Resident instead of a citizen.

Y'all really should give this issue a rest. It make you look like foolish losers grabbing at any straw you can find.


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What a bunch of hypocrites. A few short years ago when Arnold Schwarzenegger was very popular as the Governor of California the Republicans were talking of changing the Constitution so he could later run for President.

Now suddenly natural citizenship is SOOO important. At least have the disgusting honesty to say you are racist bigots.


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Hey Hawaiian style I think you have taken it doggy style too many times. Your generalization about republicans wanting Arnie to be president a few years ago is a crock. On up until now Conservatives have kept this nation free. Now a bunch of barachopods have decided they are far too smart to obey a constitution. The great tanned one is going to be exposed for the usurper that he is and all of the power whining about “get over the election” won't stop it. The legal system is phase 1 retard. You don't even want to move into phase 2.


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