‘Flying While Muslim,’ the New ‘Driving While Black’

Until whites start flying planes into buildings they shouldnt get the same scrutiny as Muslims

It's a very disproportionate comparison saying “Flying while Muslim” compared to “Driving While Black”

I don't recall many news stories of Blacks blowing up automobiles or declaring “DEATH TO INFIDELS!”

It's unfortunate for these muslims who appear to be dissedants from the majority whom do whole-heartedly believe in death to infidels, but still, racially profling muslims should be implemented and until all terrorist organizations are dead and buried, the peace loving muslims should understand that they are scruitinized because of the majority of muslims.

UNTIL YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED DISCRIMINATION, YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS LIKE. 53 YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS A 3 YEAR OLD, I HAD A RESTAURANT CHEF PUT AJAX IN MY FOOD, BECAUSE I WAS ASIAN AND IT WAS A 'WHITE'S ONLY' RESTAURANT AT THANKSGIVING,HE SAID I DESERVED IT. THE NAZIS DID THE SAME THING TO THE JEWS, BEFORE THEY EXTERMINATED THEM.

If the author of this article is so convinced that these passengers wee not a risk, then he should provide transportation for them himself. Wake up people, we are still at war with a radical wing of Islam that is spread over the entire globe, including insed this country! This reporter would rather see a disaster, and then blame it on someone or something else than the possibility that they were a group that wanted to do America harm, or just have fun scaring the other passengers. Muslims should know better than to show up at an airport dressed in traditional clothing and make remarks that could be construed as questionable.

i absolutely agree with Marcos, the white guys are not the people planting bombs in buses and taking lives in the name of jihad. Muslims should be extra scrutinized for the sfaety of the other passengers.

This incidence and the comments below just show that racism is alive and well in America. This is why all non white people have to continue fighting for their rights until we are treated the same regardless of your skin color. I do hope that things will improve under our new president. Pres. Bush has definitely capitalized on 0/11 and instilled a culture of fear and paranoia into white Americans.

This is another perfect example of the media stiring the 'racial' pot. Keeping the white vs. black thing alive. Today, Americans need to have the guts to stand up for what is right and deny anyone rights that is threatening our freedom. If this means that deny individuals from a flight, then so be it.

they should have been booked on another flight free of charge:
however its also incumbant on all muslims to understand that terrorists have hijacked thier religion and as a result they will be suffering many more embarrasments for this – its thier responsability also to actually participate in doing something to stop these madman terrorists who have thier own brand of hateful islam. I call on all real muslims to prove the world wrong and fight with us against hateful terrorist islamists who are killing innocent people in the name of thier g-d.

Terrible NEWS HEADLINE

Let's try and remember Sept 11th and when it comes to security that all of our freedoms and rights when flying have changed. All of us are victims of this. The bottom line is it's better SAFE than SORRY, regardless of what we may feel is a violation of our rights.

Seems you forget the very important piece of information from 9/11

MUSLIMS attacked the US by flying planes into the World Trade Center.

And even after 9/11, remember the Danish cartoons portraying Mohammad? over a Million MUSLIMS around the world, rioted, murdered, and declared Jiihads on the newspaper and every drawing or anything insulting their “prophet”

It'd be nice if people could get along, but not while there's a majority of the population of this planet that wishes death and murders innocents.

I pray that you will open your eyes and realize your freedoms, including being able to post comments, is at stake.

Strangely, we do not, in our press or media, characterize the American Nazis and other hate groups as “christian extremists.” Yet they are. Just look at their web-sites.

American Nazi : Al-Qu'ida :: Christianity : Islam (That means: American Nazi is to Al-Qu'ida as Christianihy is to Islam.)

Both take certain selected (and invented) aspects of their religion, disregard the main thrust of the religion, and claim to represent the “true” beliefs. They are overwhelmingly similar, in purpose, organization, and method.

So why do we not call the Nazis “Christian Extremists”?

Lets be fair.

You need to follow your own advice and open YOUR eyes. Muslim Terrorists are a MUCH bigger threat than Christian Terrorists like McVeigh.

Mr. Marcos, ever go into Goverment Buildings- remember the OKlahoma Bomber- seems like white people also blow things up over hate. Wow- go figure.

Very Well Said!

If you're willing to give up your rights for the sake of safety, the terrorists have WON.

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” – Ben Franklin.

Really? How about Eric Rudolf and the Olympic bombing? Oh, yeah. Another U.S. white guy. How about just this New Year's, and the guy who tried to blow up banks in Aspen? ANOTHER white guy. Who's watching THEM? Who's reporting their offhand comments or scrutinizing their behavior?

I bet Bobby Gump would have let the British walk all over our rights during the Revolution. Boston Massacre? No, British policing action, after all they were only enforcing civil order right?

I am more scared of the racist and intolerant comments placed on this article than anything said by any person on a plane (regardless of their race). It terrifies me that Bush has turned this from the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave; to the Land of the Suspicious and the Home of the Cowardly. Stand up people… we are ALL humans and need to treat each other with respect and compassion.

Islam is an ideology not an ethnicity. You have the fundamental right to freedom of thought (ideology). There is no fundamental right that entitles your ideology to be respected. In America you can believe anything you want to, but your beliefs are not entitled to special accommodation. If your beliefs involve a “prophet” who preached subjugation of all nations to his “truth” by violent means and demonstrated in his own recorded practices, I'd be surprised if your beliefs are hardly tolerated at all let alone respected. You can be ideological Nazi in America if you want to, but we'll be watching you, lest you decide to become a practicing one. We don't have to read Mein Kamp to understand Hitler and we don't have to read the Koran to understand Mohamed.

The majority of those hijackers, in fact, were Saudi nationals. Did we invade Saudi Arabia? Did we invoke sanctions on Saudi Arabia? No, we dropped on our collective knees and kissed their collective behinds for their oil, that's what we did. These Muslims were U.S. citizens, NOT Saudi nationals.

Paranoid in the New World Order. Good obedient sheeple reporting on their comrades. 1984 has come just a bit late.

These are isolated incidences. Jihad is an organized concerted effort that encompasses individuals, organizations and even countries. I say embrace vigilence and liberty, hand-in-hand. Mistake are bound to happen, and when they do, it's best to admit the transgression, learn from it, and move forward.

Do not forget that the way these people give account of their actions/words (such as “jets are next to my window”, “remarking about safety”) is their way to lessen their blame. In reality, I do not doubt that the statements they made were much more grievieous. I can almost imagine this situation when they are joking about terrorists, airplanes, etc. But now, they are trying to downplay what they were saying, and attemtping to portray other people (and airlines) as paranoid profilers who make no sense and target poor innocent muslims. They are not innocent! Militant muslims are not innocent because they commit heinous acts of terrorism and mass murders, and non-militant muslims are not innocent because they either give silent or vocal support of extremists!

By that Rational all whites driving Ryder/U-haul trucks should be stopped and searched.

bombings in oregon and aspen in december were committed by whites. but, that wouldn't count as usual. timmy mcveigh's already lost on selective amnesiac minds. on one hand, the claim can be made about (s)he who controls the past controls the future, but in our case, hey, we can just never gives a sh#t about the past, but just how to tweak/reinvent the past to fit our self-fulfilling prophesied rapture.

Nazi nutcases have a RACIAL hate message and see themselves as RACE supremacists. They are actively and openly opposed by virtually all Christian churches

Islamic nutcases have a RELIGIOUS hate message and see themselves as RELIGIOUS supremacists. They are actively supported, sometimes openly, by Islamic religious organizations and believers.

Other than both being characterized by hate those two are entirely different. Calling Nazis “Christian Extemists” would be highly inaccurate not to mention stupid. More accurate would be to call them by their original name “National Socialists”.

Muslim Extremists could be more accurately called “Muslims” and those that do not believe in or support the violencec could be more accurately called “Non-Practicing Muslims”.

Cyndi-

Bush has nothing to do with this as much as I disliked him! Let me guess your one of those sheltered guilty whites? correct? And the land of the free is just the problem! I wonder how you react had you been flying with your children and you heard that remark or something similar? I bet your lilly white ass would shrivel!

and yes Cyndi I am using my first amendment to say that in the “land of the free”

Brian, Bobby, Mathew – you're late for our weekly meeting.

If I'm a white guy in the middle of a bunch of blacks I better not say boy, watermelon, or chicken. Regardless of the context, I'll be a racist. Now if I'm a muslim on an airplane… I better keep my mouth shut.

The behavior of the men that participated in the attack on 9/11 is by no means equivalent to any behavior that has ever been condoned any persons of color here. The headline for this article is irresponsible, regrettable journalism, at best and must be guarded against at all times.

Editors/proof-readers have not done their jobs here!

A comment like this shows me that there are still people that don’t know what it means to be Muslim. By the way, I’m not Muslim.

–> “Americans need to have the guts to stand up for what is right and deny anyone rights that is threatening our freedom. If this means that deny individuals from a flight, then so be it.”

On one hand you say that people should stand up for their rights and their freedom and the other you say they should go ahead and “accept” what happens to them when their “freedoms” are “denied” by getting kicked off the plane escorted by the governments “FBI”.

How can you fight for freedom but then accept unjustified government actions?

This is the result of the brain washing that mass media and our faulty education system. That people actually think that they are “upholding” our “freedoms” by “accepting” these type of “police state” security measures.

Nazi's are not followers of Christ. Hitler specifically taught that he was the diety, which is why he had his followers swear an oath to him. I'm not sure what American Nazi's believe, but I don't think they're worth the time to investigate.

Christian extremists are those who follow Christ's teachings to the extreme – therefore, they love others and serve them far more than they love and care for themselves. And they don't do it to make themselves feel good. They do it because God has loved them in the same way. Sadly, it's difficult to find examples of these (including me).

Journaist, always looking for a catchy phrase, less concerned about substance. “Black” is a color of skin. Isalm is a set of chosen beliefs, and violent beliefs at that.

What has happened to these Americans is a travesty. They were profiled right off the flight. I agree that radical islamists are a problem but we cannot let them hijack our personal freedoms and rights as Americans. Then they really do win. After they were cleared then the airline should have been forced to accomidate people who paid them for tickets. I am hoping that the airline pays damages for this. And for the record hard line right wingers are the Christian version of a terrorist. I dont want to be profiled because some Christians think its their duty to bomb abortion clinics. To me its the same thing as a palastinian blowing up an israeli mall or restaurant. Most of the danger to America and Americans comes from right here in this country from our fellow citizens not outsiders.

And how are we to identify Muslims from Seiks from Jews from anyone else. Should each citizen carry a religious id card and be persecuted based on their faith. Even if this ridiculous notion were possible, anyone really wishing to cause terror could easily evade such approaches.

Unfortunately humanity,tolerance,peace,accommodation etc don't have any respect among Muslim fundamentalists. I live in a country that has the 3rd largest Muslim population in the world (India). i know most Muslims are not terrorists.. but majority are inclined to be so. There religion spews venom on human rights,freedom, democracy, free speech, woman rights.. and all other religions,cultures, societies etc.!!!!. This ideology is unfortunately a menace. Please recognize it as such!!

I guess we now need to profile all whites dressed as Sanat Clause ! Come on folks, let's be objective and put out hatred and bias aside when discussing a serious issue like this.

The “Crucible” all over again. Will we ever learn? Vilify and try, in the court of public opinion, based on irrational fear and innuendo. Enough of the 911 justification for the Department of Fatherland Security. The 19 were a gang of thugs in a drive-by shooting. They all died, finished. That's why we could never find the perpetrators: they were dead. Every Muslin cannot be a threat and what's more, IF there were more attacks, they wouldn't stand around the ticket counter making comments.
Jet Blue deserves to pay for this stupidity. One of the passengers is an attorney? :-))))

There is a major difference between Timothy McVeigh, Theodore Kaczynski and Islamic terrorists. The first two are definitely not revered within the American society; in fact they act far outside the norms and are actively pursued by local law enforcement. Islamic terrorists, like Osama bin Laden or Nizar Ghayan are revered as heroes within the Muslim society. In fact, they are considered leaders of their people with thousands of children eager to walk in their footsteps. Their actions have the blessing of the Islamic faith. I don’t remember a priest blessing Timothy McVeigh’s actions.

Guys, I also support this.
These Muslims involved in this act of terror act got what they deserved – or probably they deserved more. They should, at all times in public, be aware that people around them are afraid and be very cautious while talking to each other. And also if, all of a sudden, they find a friend at some place ( like an airport ) they should be very cautious in approaching them and talking to them – because – that stupid friend of theirs may, in past or future, say something, in public, that can start some kind of investigation. They should know that 'An intelligent foe is better than a stupid friend.' If they are this reckless – probably they should be behind bars.
Although, I am not sure, looking at their current services, whether they are friends or foes of USA. ;)

Tragic as 9/11 was, the number of deaths it caused was negligible compared to the number of preventable deaths in 2001 alone.

We should drop most of these extra security measures. Just do reasonable screenings and lock the cockpit, and in case of a terrorist threat, put no-fly zones around big buildings, and force planes to the ground or shoot them down if necessary, end of story. If the miniscule remaining threat of terrorist attack scares you, just don't fly; it's not the tax payer's responsibility to make you feel all warm and fuzzy about flying.

Sadly the radical Christians who run this country are continuously trying to discredit reports such as these. Just because your agenda to Christianize the world is more subtle (spreading “democracy”), doesn't make it any more right. If we continue to marginalize other races and religions, we create our future enemies. Comments like “Muslims should know better than to show up at an airport dressed in traditional clothing…” only prove the stupid American stereotype. They are “different” and “the Other” so they must be scrutinized. How does one turn a peace-loving Muslim into a terrorist? Show them that no matter what they do, no matter if they are a productive, tax-paying, law-abiding citizen of the USA, they better keep their filthy religion under wraps and not SHOW they are Muslim. We'll forgive them that transgression if they'll be decent enough to deny their spirituality and look like everyone else (meaning you can't tell by looking at them that they're not Christian).

Life must be really tough living in a Bob skin!!!
M-O-H-A-M-E-D

Remember the Church bombings that killed Black people in the 60's? Done by White Conservative Christians. Remember Abortion Doctors that were targeted for killing and abortion clinics blown up? Done by White Conservative Christians. Remember Terry McViegh when he blew up the Federal Building? A another White Conservative Christian. How about that gay couple in Texas that were murdered last year for holding hands in Texas? Was that the taliban in Texas or AGAIN, White Conservative Christians. Surly they have a master plan of world domination too. Maybe we should toss them into Gitmo.

Remember that there is good and bad in all people when they talk about these ridiculous arguments for “Global Jihad”.

they should at least get a refund. honestly i did get abit nervous when i got on a plane and there are muslim looking folks onboard. later on i feel shame having held these unfounded prejudice thoughts.
It's not something to be accepted, how can we heal this?

Muslims did not attack! You are very wrong about your mindset. This is the crux of the problem. Crazy people attacked! People who have no business being Human Beings. They just happened to be muslims.

There are over 1 billion muslims in the world. Only a tiny fraction of these people are crazy. Its stupid and irresponsible to label an entire population of people as hatemongers.

When you do that, you are actually falling right into the plan of the terrorists. They want you to behave this way. They are all laughing at you right now, because you are playing right into their hands. They want to create a bigger rift beween muslims and the rest of the world with this hate speech of yours.

Wise up… lets not let them succeed.

AP reported “Two other passengers reported hearing what they considered to be a suspicious remark.” Until we know what that was said, one really can not say if it was “a bit excessive”. Though I doubt it was just something like “hey look, I am going to have a great view from here!”

Nixon, you're assuming a lot for someone who can't even read a comment. Pig.

No, white-guys-blowing-stuff-up are not isolated incidences. If you saw a single, dishevled, bearded white guy muttering to himself on an airplane, you'd be damn right to profile him too. Profiling has been shown to be an effective deterent to crime. And since most people are very familiar with white guys, they're easy to profile. The problem is when some halfwit who's never seen a foreigner in his life (probably calls them 'ay-rabs') can't tell the difference between a regular family and a terrorist.

Did it occur to anyone, either on the plane or commenting here, that if these poor folks were terrorists, they probably wouldn't have made their “suspicious” comments in ENGLISH? Islamic terrorists have a virtually fool-proof method for keeping their “plans” unknown, since nobody in America bothers to learn a foreign language these days. The mere fact that other passengers understood the words they used implies, to me, that they felt they had nothing to hide, and thus most likely the other passengers had nothing to fear.

As mature adults, people learn that what they THINK may bear no connection with what ACTUALLY occurred. When they are about to accuse somebody they know nothing about of something they know little about, people will do best to first think about whether their own fears and imaginings might have influenced their perceptions. A little rationality might have spared all the travelers on this plane a lot of anxiety and disruption.

Well said TerryB,

Agree whole heartedly except with:
“in this case a religious subculture which has been associated, unfortunately, with terrorism”
Islam is a violent ideology on it's own stated terms, and by the example of it's own acclaimed “prophet”. The fact that 90% of meslims do not practice the violence, does not relieve the ideology from being violent in it's own terms.

Even though most Germans who followed Hitler were not violent to Jews themselves, does not make Nazism a misunderstood ideology. Nazism is violent based on it own stated terms and by the words and actions of it own proponent: Hitler, and so is Islam.

The dirty little secret is, if someone wants to do us harm, they can. This is the nature of guerilla warfare.
We simply cannot stop it. We wouldn't want to list all the dastardly ways so as not to give anyone any ideas but folks, we cannot stop it, PERIOD. Jetliners? Been there, done that. Vietnam Vet

Those thoughts are not unfounded. Some wounds leave a scar that never go away.

Mr. Delong clipped the wrong parts of the Washington Post article to support his otherwise flemsy argument. From what is clipped, I get the impression that the passengers complained, AirTran responded to customer complaints, the FBI got involved at the request of AirTran, and the FBI cleared the Muslim passengers and assisted them in continuing their trip. I'm not sure why that is something of concern. We have police forces to protect innocent people, and that is exactly what the FBI did in this case. If their is a complaint of “profiling”, then that was done by passengers.
Now, if you click the link, the original article noted that Air Marshalls also reported the incident to police. And supposedly the pilot took that action as a signal that it was best to remove the Muslim passengers. That might support profiling, but then it also sounds like the Air Marshalls did their job based on early reports from other passengers.
Pilots and air crew remove passengers fairly often. This time they were Muslim and flying out of DC. Perhaps Mr. Delong and others reporting this story are the profilers. Watch a few episodes of A&E's “Airline”, and you'll see that passengers of all races and religion get removed often. Typically, being drunk gets you removed, but criticism of airport security works too. Not that I think it is right, but they do warn all passengers via the terminal overhead not to make any remarks about security.

Agreed, NM.

Several passages in the Bible's Old Testament promote violence on God's behalf, yet believers in Christianity are largely non-violent (except for the occasional crusade, inquisition, or clinic bombing). Despite similar passages in the Koran, only 2% of practicing Muslims worldwide seem to feel that violence is justified in the name of Mohamed. For the majority of Muslims, “Jihad” as it is defined in the Koran is not an intolerant killing mission as the high-profile extremist leaders interpret it to be.

It is very easy for us to use our ignorant take on the Koran as a rationale for believing that people who appear clearly Muslim are more frightening than other passengers. Remember: The terrorist tries to blend in and not attract attention to himself.

Freedom from fear is an important freedom, but so is freedom of worship.

Careful Now! Santa Claus was the number one terrorist in 2008!

When I read about this story, i remembered my experience of flying to the US on a business trip and getting interviewed at immigrations and how it seemed that out of the plane of 300 people, I was picked out for random selection. Or when I was checking in on my return flight, i was selected by random for a security check (again the only one).

Now I understand the concern but for an airline to refuse to take them even after the FBI said it was fine make me furious. They have been proven innocent yet this wasn't good enough. In a time when every dollar counts, AirTran has just labelled itself as a racist and will lose a lot of credibility from all the media coverage.

As for me – they have just lost another customer.

these people knew what they were doing. born in USA, they know how sensitive people are, when I fly I always keep a close watch on this type of people, I am glad the different classes of passengers are not separated, you can watch everyone, not like the planes on 9/11 where the terriosits sat in the first class section where no-one could see them.

Once again, Jews persecute Muslims, just because they can.

Zionists have become the 21st Century NAZIS!

It's about time that the security and general feeling of wellbeing of the American public comes before the insane and misguided political correctness that some of us have adopted. It was muslims that hijacked the planes and flew them into the World Trade Center towers on 9/11 killing and injuring thousands of innocent Americans. It was a muslim that was caught trying to set off a shoe bomb on a plane. It was muslims that danced in the streets in Jersey City, NJ and Paterson, NJ in celebration of the 9/11 attacks. Muslims in the United States should consider themselves extremely lucky to live in the greatest nation on the planet for if this had happened elsewhere they would have probably been rounded up and at the very least, held until their background and connections could be verified.
Since 9/11 there have been financial links between mosques in the US and terrorist training grounds abroad.
Let all the chanting flag burners (real as well as suspected) walk to their destinations while in the US and maybe they will tire and go elsewhere.
September 11, 2001 – We will never forget!

Wow! I was getting demoralized reading all the KKK-type comments here.

Then I realized it's about 4 wingnuts posting over and over! Whew!

1) America's have the right to be safe
2) Muslims Should be scrutinzed more then other people
3)…. and more

I agree to all the points but have a single question:
after they were cleared by security then why they were not allowed to fly ?

Incidents like this really makes hard for the moderate Muslims to convince there people that Americans are not against Muslims but are against Terrorism.

Well why would you care about it anyway :)

the ignorance is beyond me. Not all Muslims feel the same way about extreme terroist. As Americans we think we are so much smarter, stronger, than other countries, but yet we are so primitive thinking when it comes to the world. If you feel that a certain religion, or culture of people are a certain way than, that shows how unintelligent we are, we are no better than our ancestors. Every culture and religion has been through things, and yet we still can't get it right.

In all fairness, it's probably NOT part of AirTran corporate culture to endorse what a few mental midget accusatory passengers, flight attendants, pilots and gate agents did. All finger waggers.

I wasn't there but i read a number of reports – you forget that everyone was re-screened including their luggage. It is clear that this was more than a normal complaint. For the FBI to get involved it not a normal request.

From personal experience, I can say it had everything to do with the fact that they're Muslim. I say stuff like that – and worse – all of the time and I've never once been singled out for extra security measures (much less kicked off my flight) because of it – probably because I'm a white woman with no religious affiliation.

It is not unlike the Japanese in the Second World War. It does show panic,suspicion ,anger ,fear and hatred on everyones part. People, (Japanese)who were law abiding citizens for many years and contributors to society were rounded up like cattle and put away. I know of a Japanese -American soldier who fought in the war,(for a famous unit )who's Dad was under suspicion for sending poetry to relatives in Japan. He was Hawaiian! Its not unlike the Hassidic Jews who lived in my neighborhood,the boys had this curl on the sides of their face,and did they take a ribbing. Its all ignorance and lack of understanding cultures. Remember that Gandhi was thrown off a train because he was brown. A Lawyer and Rhodes Scholar.So Brown people of any “color” can expect ignorant people to come forward for their cause/or case and make life difficult for them.Good luck President ELECT Obama…These ignorant people are so in the minority today that they alwasys make the News…or a case for ACLU types. The arirlines owe these people an opology for their actions.

They sat in First Class so they could have quick and easy access to the cockpit so as to cut the pilot's throats. There's now bank vault doors protecting the cockpit.

Gee The Santa Claus terrorist, suicide fire-bomber? The Dallas ex-trooper highway Mormon consulting terrorist? The Aspen bomber? The list goes on and on. Have you ever felt your stomach curl up and wonder if you hugged your children everytime you encounter Hiway patrol/sheriff/troopers, because he thought he saw a gun and killed you in cold blood only to be freed by the suburban judges? This is pure terror so DWB is a harsh reality. Champion the day when the aforementioned officers start hauling in and accusing white males of pedophilia whenever they are accompanied by young boys and you'll get the idea. Even though not all white males are child molesters all child molestors are white males! SOUND RIDICULOUS TO YOU?

A request. Please, someone, give some comments on my comment.
You can find those below if you search for 'reckless'.
Thanks :)

nobody wants to fly with muslims… so I say, tell hadji to pack it up and go back to the mother land

Now there's 10 people now that won't fly AirTran. Sell sell! but wait… their stock is rising today.

Not all Muslims are terrorists. MOST aren't terrorists. Just like most white people aren't racists. It's just the ignorant few who spew their disgusting hate on forums like this that give the impression that they are. Funny thing is, I know WHITE people that are Muslim. Just like I know Black people that are Jewish. Just like Christianity is practiced by many different people. Religions are practiced by people of all different ETHNIC backgrounds. I bet most of the people on here couldn't tell the difference between a person from India who practices Hindi versus an Arab who is Muslim. Anyone of any religion, race and/or ethnicity can be a potential terrorist. Bottom line is, you can't tell if someone is a terrorist by the way they look. Air Tran should be ashamed of themselves for not allowing those people fly AFTER they were cleared.

It's time that we make a stand against this type of despicable discrimination. Perhaps if no one flew on this airline on a given day, they would realize that there are consequences to their actions.

we first lets get this right – 90% do not practice violence? Thats one in 10 and let me ask you, how do you know personally know?

Well there is about 2 Billion Muslims so there are 200 Million spreading terror – thats the size of 1/3 of america? It doesn't add up does it Bob,

Islam is a peaceful religion and it is unfortunate that a extremely small percentage (0.0001%) are stupid. Killing native americans, slavery…should I continue? – every religion has it dark history.

I think you need to take a book out of the rest of the world – we live in a great world full of culture where understanding about people choice of lifestyle is the only way to live together. What is interesting is that by giving power to a government and then standing back because of fear seems to be a great excuse these days to point fingers.

Franco:
You are the ignorant one: what people like you cant get their heads is that Islam/muslim is not a ethnic group. It a chosen set of beliefs, you could be any ethnicity and be muslim. If you believe in something like Islam, dont be surprised if people take you seriously.

I also support this.
These Muslims involved in this act of terror act got what they deserved – or probably they deserved more. They should, at all times in public, be aware that people around them are afraid and be very cautious while talking to each other. And also if, all of a sudden, they find a friend at some place ( like an airport ) they should be very cautious in approaching them and talking to them – because – that stupid friend of theirs may, in past or future, say something, in public, that can start some kind of investigation. They should know that 'An intelligent foe is better than a stupid friend.' If they are this reckless – probably they should be behind bars.
Although, I am not sure, looking at their current services, whether they are friends or foes of USA. ;)

Funny – they were americans – are you turning on americans NH?

The passengers did not want them on board. Do you think Airtran should have put them back on the flight against the wishes and safety concerns sited by the other passengers? If you were waiting to board with your children you would ask to fly with them to prove a point?

The thing is that even after they were cleared – they were not allowed onto the plane!

Come on – they came on with their kids bro!!

Color Blind:
Islam is a violent religion on it's own stated terms, if you want to follow such a religion that is your choice, everyone else has the right to take your ideology seriously on it's own stated terms and take necessary precautions, that is both smart and their right.

This was an American family with their kids. Found innocent yet not allowed on the plane!!

Isalm is a violent ideology, let an ex-muslim explain it to you:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/prologue/

Bob: ” but your beliefs are not entitled to special accommodation. If your beliefs involve a “prophet” who preached subjugation of all nations to his “truth” by violent means and demonstrated in his own recorded practices, I'd be surprised if your beliefs are hardly tolerated at all let alone respected.”

Dear Bob, Indonesia and Malasia are the two most populated nations. Muhammad was an Arab. Please tell me the name of the Army or nation that “subjugated” those Asians to accept Islam. Now for some truth. The Yemenese traders happened upon these Islands and were so honest, truthful and moral – unlike the evil Dutch that the WHOLE countries accepted Islam. Now show me the Christian counterpart! Whole nations conversion to Christianity w/o a drop of blood

Bob – i have no idea where you get your information from but I am glad you don't vote!

Perhaps the FAA should review the airline's operating license. Those yahoos must have violated several federal civil rights laws, so why should they be allowed to use the nation's air traffic control system?

Write the FAA. Urge them to revoke AirTran's license until they clean up their racist act, fire everyone involved in the decision chain, pay a hefty fine, and fire that idiot spokesman while they're at it.

If I see a group of muslims whispering and acting cautious… I'm going to be suspicious!

OK, but my point is, How can you identify a Muslim? The same way you identify a Christian? How can you “profile” an “ideology”? Do you know how many people died during the Crusades in the name of Christianity? Religion has been the cause for most wars in this world. That is why I am an Atheist. Religion is used to control. My God is better than yours…BLAH BLAH BLAH. Anything can be interpreted in a certain way to confirm or contradict what they believe…

Bob – if all you need is one website which has been officially been recognized as being supported by a well know hate group is all you have then let me introduce you to another great source of information – http://www.google.com

there is another possibility – people listening in should stop jumping to conclusions

Maybe Airtran will see an increase in passengers due to the fact that they in this case have demonstrated that they are more concerned with the perception and wellbeing of the American traveler than with the possibility of bad press such as this. It's uncommon these days when seemingly all decisions are based on legal advice.

Well – a civil action may change that.

“I wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition!”

Its a great question – i would like to see the people who complained taken off the flight too because even though it was proved there was no issue, they are guilt in the eyes of all travellers.

Go JackBlack, Go!!!

Funny – last time I heard, they were Americans!

If you feel so strongly then you aren't going to be traveling too much in your lifetime.

Sorry, I forgot that I should just ignore it when people discuss the possibility of me dying. Please think about what you're saying before you post..

All these problems stem from the fat pig who made up his/her(mostly her) mind the moment she saw muslims on the plane. The saddest part is that , it is is the USA that sponsors terrorism at an insane level.

NH – do you think Muslim should carry badges around next time to identify themselves? We could give them special areas to live in and only be allowed to have certain jobs….WAIT, didn't this happen with another group of people in WW2?

You people are missing the point. In spite of the fact that these people were found to be genuine passengers by the FBI they were still not allowed on the flight by Airtran. Anyone who supports this action is a racist.

You people are missing the point. In spite of the fact that these people were found to be genuine passengers by the FBI they were still not allowed on the flight by Airtran. Anyone who supports this action is a racist.

“Thinkingman”
Indonesia or Malaysia being Islamic on any terms, does not exonerate Isalm's violent ideology as stated in the Koran itself, as preached and practiced by it's own “prophet” … and who inspires Jihadist to this day.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/prologue/

Why Muslims – why not Jews, Blacks…..

Once you start on one group – where does it stop?

what does this have to do with race?

There are over 2 Billion Muslims in the world – are you calling them all terrorist?

No, you are missing the point. The airline followed TSA and Homeland Security directives to the letter and had no discretion. These direvtives have been adopted to keep us safe (when followed). So if you don't like it…… head to the airport and purchase a one way ticket (if they let you fly)…

Am I one of them? :)

Oh yeah?
People and goverment now know they are wrong by refusing them to rebook flights, without rational reason.

hey… I thought you were a plumber!

I am confused :)
If they become cautious, other ppl are suspicious. If they don't, other ppl will still be suspicious.
They don't have a choice. Leave them.

Is it that there is too much fear imparted ( by media of course and u know who runs it). Me. Right :). OR is it paranoia/phobia of some kind.
There is a need of healing? Healing from what? Is this plague caused by those planes hitting buildings or is it a media frenzy that has gripped the nation. Remember those colorful alerts ( red, orange purple and pink ;) . We should have that – it was fun.

If you think the Muslim religion is bad, look at the Old Testament, especially at Moses, see how ethical and moral his actions were. Is morality natural law or does it change from year to year? Is God Love or is it just an emotion? From reading the Old Testament, one would think love is nothing more than an emotion and morality changes from one year to the next.

Oh, dear, what has this country come to. We have lost so many freedoms, including freedom to travel. I don't accept that people should be examined closely just so they can travel. Should we screen because of someone's religion or lack of? How do we know someone's religion just by looking at them? A traveler says or mumbles religious things and things about safety and thus they are not allowed to travel. I have just written such things, so what now. I shouldn't travel? We should grab all kind of liquids from their hands and toss them into a giant bin of such liquids and store it in the airport all day. What a terrible place our country has traveled to.

well then read the article bro but use a collection of sources rather than one.

Jackblack, please see my comments.
search for 'reckless' to find. thanks

Ummm…your Muslim, your religious members commit suicide attacks on soft targets, why would you not be profiled? Blacks are profiled for the same reasons, car jacking, murder…..being politically correct is good for some things, not this.

Then let me introduce you to the Mohamed from the Koran:

We will cast terror into the hearts of the Infidels. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. 8:12
Let not the Muslims take for friends or helpers the Infidels. 3:28,
Rouse the Muslims to the fight against Infidels. 8:65,
Then fight and slay the Infidels wherever ye find them, 9:5,
Fight the Infidels, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. 9:14,
O ye the Muslims take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Islam.9:23,
O ye the Muslims! Truly the Infidels are unclean. 9:28,
O ye Muslims! fight the Infidels who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you. 9:123,
Therefore, when ye meet the Infidels, smite at their necks; At length. 47:4,

Islam is a religion of peace”. This is what our politically correct politicians keep telling us. But what is politically correct is not necessarily correct. The truth is that Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of hate, of terror and of war. A thorough study of the Quran and Hadith reveal an Islam that is not being presented honestly by the Muslim propagandists and is not known to the majority of the people of the world including Muslim themselves. Islam, as it is taught in the Quran (Koran) and lived by Muhammad, as is reported in the Hadith (Biography and sayings of the Prophet) is a religion of Injustice, Intolerance, Cruelty, Absurdities, discrimination, Contradictions, and blind faith. Islam advocates killing the non-Muslims and abuses the human rights of minorities and women. Islam expanded mostly by Jihad (holy war) and forced its way by killing the non-believers. In Islam apostasy is the biggest crime punishable by death. Muhammad was a terrorist himself therefore terrorism cannot be separated from the true Islam. Islam means submission and it demands from its followers to submit their wills and thoughts to Muhammad and his imaginary Allah. Allah is a deity that despises reason, democracy, freedom of thought and freedom of expression.

They were Americans!!

Lets see – 2 billion Muslims all think that they need to commit suicide???

uh oh, you opened the race can…

Its called profiling….no one is saying all 2 billion muslims are doing it…it is only Muslims, at this very point in time, that are targeting non-muslims in western countries. Only the Basque region of Spain and parts of Africa are experiencing war like this….NO OTHER PLACE OR PEOPLE IS AT WAR in this manner….get off your politically correct high horse.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/

I'm not your 'bro”, whatever that is.

Your second response makes as much sense as the first. Please think about what you're saying before you post.

Let me introduce you to Moses from the Bible:

http://www.evilbible.com/Rape.htm

So here is the million dollar question matt – are you a muslim?

Because a muslim wouldn't be saying this and if you are not then you are simply taking a side on something you don't know about.

Interesting……

Why can't the Muslims be more like our Christ loving peaceful nation or like the peaceful loving nation of Isreal which was founded by the United Nations around 1948?

“Quran tells Muslims to kill the disbelievers wherever they find them (2:191), murder them and treat them harshly (9:123), slay them (9:5), fight with them (8:65 ), strive against them with great endeavor (25:52), be stern with them because they belong to hell (66:9) and strike off their heads; then after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives” for ransom (47:4).”
http://www.faithfreedom.org/prologue/
http://www.jihadwatch.org/islam101/

I would urge this family to exercise better judgment in the future. Profiling will happen whether it is used as official procedure or not. I am also an American born descendant of Middle Eastern parents, and I too have been profiled and detained; twice in the United States, and once in the Peoples Republic of China. I was also a law enforcement officer complete with badge and LE identification, a veteran of the U.S. armed forces, and I still hold security clearances from my DoD service in Iraq. I also kept my mouth shut and didn't give any reason for other passengers and crew to worry.

People had better know that we are in a global war against terrorism and we have to excercise care in our speech and mannerisms for security reasons. One of those accommodations is exercising good communication and behavioral skills. Rest assured, even a blond haired, blue eyed Norwegian family would have been snatched off of that plane if any of them said the same thing as was said in this incident. I can’t explain why the family wasn’t allowed to reook, perhaps there is more to that story. Granted, during my three experiences, I was treated well, and even in China, I was not treated harshly. However, the facts are that TSA personnel were just doing their job and will continue to do so. Anything less would be deemed inexcusable if something did happen.

Why don't we just round up al the muslims in the US and put them in concentration camps and feed them into the ovens then? Wouldn't that make us safer? Timothy McVeigh was a white Christian so lets do it to them as well…

As for Islam being a violent religion, you have obviously never studied the history of Christianity. Try Googling the crusades or the inquisition or what was done to the peoples of central and south America by the “Church”.

if I was a muslim I would not be saying this? That is funny. The issue is not the fact of being Muslim, it is the profile of a murderer, terrorist, whatever. It happens all the time. Also, refusing service to people(ie. the airline) may not be legal for public transit, but is normal buisness practice and protected by law. Regardles of these peoples religion, their admitted actions and apperance suggested danger. People call the police on other people all the time.
Hey RC…you are good at arguing..never saying more than a sentance or asking dumb questions, why not tell us how you feel rather than arguing? Many here have expressed their opinions…you just seem to fight.
Maybe you should read rather than argue…
use your brilliant discovery, google, and look up this word, apostasy in regards to Muslim so called “faith”.

thank you for your great insight into this incident. They admitted to saying these things….they should have been smarter with their actions.

History is a bloody story:

Hitler, Romans, Arabs, Zulus, Dutch, Mongols, Assyrians etc etc etc …

Islam is a living ideology with an open ended, never ending call, to violent expansion … or at least until the whole world is subjugated.

That is a big problem

Moses is for the Jew what Mohamed is for the Muslims. That explains why they get along so well.

Yessir, we're an entitled lot. We need our lives and livlihood to be such an air-tight guarentee that we don't care how badly we violate the civil rights of others, civil rights our ancestors died fighting for. It's ok to yank a bearded Muslim and his family off a plane for whispering, but require a man to license his gun and oops Mayhem.

btw (mr tad hutchinson, spokesperson for AirTran, which part of “wow, look how close I am to the engine” was the inappropriate part?) add me to the boycott list.

The arguement that it's ok to regard someone unlike yourself as a second class citizen — and therefore expect him/her to work harder to be treated equally — proves the author's point … and is the act of a fearful and covetous heart. Furthermore, this thread and the likely thousands more like it prove only how easily we degenerate into an unproductive, hate-mongering mob. Be assured, this only assures one thing: the actual point has been missed completely because we're having too much fun zinging each other. This is the character of a great nation?

As in Orwell's /Animal Farm/, the pigs have announced to the lesser animals “some animals are more equal than other.” From the interment of the Japanese during WWII, Hitler's persecution of the Jews, Slave-owner's treatment of blacks (etc etc), we have learned (drum roll) NOTHING.

There is no other people on this planet that is at war in this manner…..none. So how is this entitlement? I see entitlement in many places in the world, but profileing is not one of them.

ok –

NO OTHER PLACE OR PEOPLE IS AT WAR – wow, damn, I am so wrong Matt – well the world is at peace then so the media is getting is wrong….

Let me ask you this question – how many muslims do you know, how many countries have you travelled to because there is so much going on in the world that I wish it could be as simply as picking out a group because of their religion rather than political gain, or land grab or control of nature assets.

I think it is easy to blame a group rather than an a collection of individuals. But I thank you for your clarify.

Two websites – wow, its like listening to CNN when they claimed that Bush had won the 2000 elections when the votes were still be counted.

Its called the bill of right.

I understand this but they were cleared and should have been allowed to fly. This is the argument.

Is this the same Christ loving nation that killed and wiped off native indians or considered slavery ok?

Pull it together Paige. Nobody… certainly not me…advocates second-class citizenship. Some of us who are Arab-American or of Middle Eastern decent actually advocate common sense in time of war. What separates us from Nazis, Fascist, Socialists, Communists, and Islamic Fundamentalists is our ability as a constitutional-republic to take security measures in time of war or national emergency and restore our liberties when that period has concluded; just as we did after the Civil War and World War II. Read my previous comment. ANY group of people who caused the fear and security concerns that were created in this incident would have been pulled from the plane. Interestingly, if a catastrophe had occurred later in the flight, the same complainers in this discussion and the lawyers in the ACLU would have gleefully blamed everybody from the TSA to the president.

once again you have made no real argument

Probably an ALPA idiot, a member of that Religion of Exalted Self-Importance who wear all the accoutrements of a Cult. You see them swaggering around the terminals, with necklaces, patches, emblems, attitude, like God's gift to humanity.

RC, I agree that there is some question of why the family was not allowed to rebook after they were cleared. As I mentioned earlier, there is undoubtedly more to the story. Just the title of the article, ‘Flying While Muslim,’ the New ‘Driving While Black’ is enough to make me suspicious that the author simply didn't want to inquire further. I makes me wonder whether or not he wanted to make this an “issue” story by withholding pertinent facts. I don't know.

being a muslim or black is crime its better they use camel instead of an airplane

Ok – so as everyone can see that I have replied to a lot of comments – we are all entitled to our opinions.

Judging the action of a small group of people and assuming that it represent the larger group is stupid and crazy. But if this is what you think then great and I respect that.

To be american is to be free to make choices – say what you want, do what you want, be what you want as outlined in the bill of rights. Is America becoming such a controlled state where we hate our fellow americans so much to judge them on the way they look?

Now here is what amazes me is the statement from the member of the family:

Irfan said he believes his family is owed an apology.

“Really, at the end of the day, we're not out here looking for money. I'm an attorney. I know how the court system works. We're basically looking for someone to say… 'We're apologizing for treating you as second-class citizens.'”

“We are proud Americans,” Sahin said. “You know we decided to have our children and raise them here. We can very easily go anywhere we want in the world, but you know we love it here and we're not going to go away, no matter what.”

Aziz said there is a “very strong possibility” he will pursue a civil rights lawsuit.

“I guess it's just a situation of guilt by association,” Aziz said. “They see one Muslim talking to another Muslim and they automatically assume something wrong is going on.

So whilst we can argue to the high heavens about the greater picture – they still believe in America!! Brilliant!!!

It’s ridiculous and the justification by posters is short-sighted and bigoted. Tim McVeigh wasn’t Muslim and look what he did. Everyone conveniently forgets that the biggest act of domestic terrorism in American history was committed by a white guy who was also a decorated veteran. Open your eyes. You have no clue who your enemies are. Stop pretending like you do.

Its a great point – the way I see it is that the media is business and business is about making money. No one want to read about the good but everyone loves reading about the bad so it is a fair point.

Funny – you know I alway say the 747 looking like a camel!

Nazis put Ajax into the Jews food at restaurants?
You have clear memories of a restaurant experience when you were 3?
Yet you cannot find the caps lock button on your keyboard?

Wow, you are both a moron *and* a prodigy. It’s amazing!!

January 1st, 2009 —> The Statue of Liberty starts the New Year crying …

Vivifiant, Ohio

Yeah, it’s a good thing no white person would kill or injure hundreds or Americans in a terrorist act. No need to be afraid, you can feel safe around white people!

Unless that person is named Timothy McVeigh that is…

well – i see religion like a guidance more than the rule.

In this respect there is no argument – you chose your path, some do it strictly, some don't. If you want to live your life against a website and a certain perspective of one person then you are no better than the idiots who think that wars are not fought over oil or resources or those whose only path to heaven is to kill others.

I simply read, digest and pick what makes sense in my life.

AirTran did the right thing. Every muslim is a potential terrorist and should be considered as such.

its ok your savior Obama is coming!! I love it!!!

Welcome to America, which is becoming Muslim anyway, and Mexican (wait is that word offensive)?
Ahh who gives a crap!!!

Ooooh, a good old evangelical who probibly doesn’t read his Bible either. Or the constitution for that matter.

stupid, ignorant people still falling into the Bush’s doctrine of fear. if you so paranoid by Muslims, why don’t you do something about Hussein Obama who is gonna lead the white house that declared war against another Hussein. he is another individual and do something about him. actually, this means that American psyche and spirit is greater than some dirty minds who are small in number making racist comments. i hate discrimination no matter what.

These people were not identified as a threat until nearby reactionary passengers complained. Targeting people in traditional Muslim dress is just plain ignorant. How many terrorists do you think are going to wear traditional Muslim dress and travel with their wives and children? This family was not on a watch list and had passed airport security. Racism and ignorance, pure and simple.

Despite what the Fox pundidiots may tell you, the majority of Muslims are NOT calling for “death to infidels.” History teaches us that those leaders who would restrict citizens’ liberties in defense of “safety” are much more dangerous to the populace than the perceived threat. PLEASE try and get your news and history from more than one source and form your own opinions. Our democracy depends on it.

Interesting title. Can someone remind me how many times did African Americans drive passenger laden vehicles into office buildings killing thousands of innocents, blew up commuter trains, buses, kindergartens, and restaurants before the police started stopping them? Oh yes, they never did. The simple truth is that in this day and age even though not all Muslims are terrorists, all terrorists are Muslim.

Oh please!

Police / TSA agents SHOULD profile any groups likely to commit crimes. It’s a matter of marshaling scarce resources.

And profiling is not a racial matter. Just as soon as 30 year old blonde housewifes from Iowa start blowing up airliners, I’ll call for them to be profiled too. At the current time however, Muslim males tend to be the ones doing that.

Political Correctness is just plain stupid when peoples lives are at stake.

Totaly agree with MAV,
“Every Muslim is a potential terrorist” or Jihadist to put it in their own terms. This based on the sayings and practices of their own acclaimed “prophet”.

Please publish names of those two passengers who complained, they need to leave civilized world. It is high time that Govt. define what exactly is suspicious behaviour; otherwise these phobic people would misuse it.
May be this is what they mean by ‘small-town values’ or ‘real-america’

So all I asked is are you a muslim and you couldn't answer.

Assuming that you are not, how many do you know, have you ever spoken to one and simply asked their opinion.

As far as refusing service – this is up to the terms and conditions of the contract which is what the passengers have with the airline. Chances are there is a clause that excludes liability from the airline in this case hence why there may be a civil suit which is where a jury of your peers will decide and this amount is unlimited.

In terms of opinions, note my new article and you will see that I do read. However Matt, when you talk about admitted actions, you also added appearance which is a bit worrying because they did nothing wrong. They were cleared.

Anyway – I don't use solely google, I use the ability to talk and learn from other people to understand which I did today and I thank you for your time.

BTW, the guy caught by FBI in the world trade center bombing was white.

I like this guy

White power movements in the U.S are isolated incidents? Are you kidding me? Even our own government doesn’t believe you. That’s why thev’e spent millions of dollars trying to infiltrate them. Remember Ruby Ridge?

Another example of the “brainwashing” that’s happening due to Conservative Mass media propaganda that’s run rampent in this country such as the Fox News Channel.

This is not a question of race. Are there no white muslims? Are there no white muslims who wear beards and dress in traditional muslim attire? A white muslim (or of another religious affiliation for that matter) with the same general appearance, saying similar things, would have likely caused the same concern. Is this incident a sad commentary on the state of our society and the mindset of the average American regarding muslims? Yes. Is it unreasonable? No. Muslims who dress in tradional attire make a choice – they stand out in general American society. They have the right to. Others, in turn, have the right to recognize that choice, and that attire, as representative of a voluntary inclusion into a subculture -in this case a religious subculture which has been associated, unfortunately, with terrorism – by members of that very subculture. The affront to the muslims taken off this plane does not originate with airline or the passengers. It originates with Islamic terrorists. “White” people should no be forced to set aside their fears for the purposes of unlimited cultural tolerance. Minorities have rights. Majorities have rights as well. No one acted unreasonably here, other than the traditionally attired muslim who disregarded common sense and spoke of security issues and engine locations on a crowded plane. The Bill of Rights does not preclude a person from suffering some consequence of acting like a fool. Remember, everyone…EVERYONE had to get off that plane and get re-scanned. Stop hiding behind minority rights and smarten up. The people around you also have rights – like to fly on a plane without fear of a terrorist act. Unfortunately, that right has been stripped from them, and may never be re-gained.

Your are wrong about the “Majority” of muslims. The hatemongers actually represent a very tiny portion of the muslims. Yet the all muslims are treated the same.

so bob, seeing that you have left out a major religion in your list (i assume it must be under etc)

What do you think the answer is?

Matt

Don't get me started – black associated to car jacking, wow, I must have missed that one when I went to school. Wonder whether they was course credit on that one.

JackBlack – enjoy the rest of the day!

Beg Pardon…AirTran not Jet Blue. Jet Blue is too cool to be so stupid. Any way to edit out my error, editor?

So you are telling me that “white guys” do no crime? They have never killed anyone? Holly smokes. Does president Elect Barack Obama know this? We can solve our whole econmic mess. Just fire 90% of the police force, FBI, CIA, etc. Take the remaining 10% and put them outside the home of every Muslim man, women and child in this country.

We will save “Billions” and “Billions” of dollars saved. We will all be rich from all the money saved in crime fighting. Because ALL THE CRIME in this country is from Muslim people. Right?

Wow, interesting….I like the “Flying while Muslim”, the new “Driving While Black”….

I have a friend who told while, while back, his father have to plan their driving rout so they could get gas since there were black.

I hope those ppl sue the airline for big time $$$.

Change JetBlue, a cool airline, to AirTran. My mistake. Not enough coffee. Fingers faster than brains this morning.

it doesnt work that way you cannot be safe and free!

RC,
Actualy AirTran has gained a customer in me whenever I can use them, because I know they will not deffer my personal safety just to spare offending someone.

outrageous, inhuman, discriminatory, shameful, and unamerican.

. As a a South Asian and a Muslim, I have personal experiences with these so called born again bearded Muslims. I know for fact the most of these bearded Male Muslims have chosen to side with terrorists organizations in their thinking. They don’t necessarily going to act upon their beliefs, however they do hate American Society, Democracy and its liberties. That is why they disconnect from main stream America. Secondly, they develope a macho attitude towards the society where every White American is perceived as port eating, alchohal drinking war monger. While American woman is peceived a non pious and sexually pervert. ( That is why Muslim women will wear Hijab to show that is not like all other sluts )

On every National Holiday, Muslim Organizations like CAIR, MSA, ISNA conduct conferences in Major US cities which are attended by thousands of Wahabi Muslims. On the surface, they look harmless, however they are also used to train young Muslims in Idealogy of hate. By seperating the youth from mainstream first, a vaccume is created and later filled with activities which promote anti American attitudes.

. In Public, they are heard disclaring Islam as a peacful religion. However, in private every bearded Muslim ( American born included) is pro terrorists. American born Muslims, have been completely brain washed by Saudi Funded Clerics in US mosques. If you visit these mosques, everything looks normal at prayer time. However, fundamentalists led group discussions take place in between prayers. These discussions highlight Jihad, Wars with infidels and how to ” defend” the Idealogy.

Progressive and regular American Muslims are lectured and intimidated by these bearded young men in Mosques for not following Wahabi Agenda.

I feel sorry that this family was mistreated, however, Muslims have to look inward to find answers why
they are mistreated. These Wahabi fundamentalists ( Bearded men) need to change their attitude towards others before complaining mistreatement.

Racially profiling an ideology DOES NOT WORK!!! Just about ALL of the 9-11 hijackers did not have beards. Also, Islam is an ideology, not a race, so how do we conduct our profile? The largest Islamic country in the world is Indonesia with over 200 million Muslims, so should we stop all Asian people if they make comments or do we only stop the “suspicious” looking ones? I am sure if these people were smart enough to pull off these plots, they are smart enough to get around an AirTran security check, or shave their beards at the very least. The bottom line is if someone is willing to kill him/herself to harm us, there is nothing we can do except figure out what we are doing wrong. We currently and historically have supported an oppressive country (Israel), which has historically and currently is killing MILLIONS of Muslims. We support this country with our tax $$$ and weapons (tanks, jets, etc). We are also at war against a Muslim country in Iraq for NO REASON. It is the right of every people to defend themselves, so how can we blame these people for wanting to harm us after our actions. We should reconsider whether it’s worth us being paranoid and having no piece of mind an airplanes or while crossing bridges/tunnels and potentially being harmed before we go to war with any other countries or while we continue to support Israel.

mimi,
Everyone has the right to take an ideology on it’s own stated terms and they would be intelligent to do so.

If people who look and act like me start blowing things up, please start profiling people who look and act like me. I would gladly pay for the safety of my children with some inconvenience.

It funny – i cannot see their names in the article – shame they didn’t stand up!

American, the lack of understanding and fear you display is the source of the conflict we find ourselves in. Try using a little empathy.

Any person who boards an airplane and openly discusses, directly or indirectly, the possibility of the plane crashing is a f’n idiot and should be taken off of the plane. Stupidity knows no racial or religious boundaries.

But, maybe these people are not really stupid and just have a bizarre sense of humor. Either way, their actions are unforgivable.

Let’s use the scenario on the ferry boats in The Dark Knight. Each ferry containing the two “ideologies” represented in this comment section. I wonder which group would blow the other group out of the water first.

feel better now?

this is a great point Dave – remember that civil rights have been eroded in the last 7 years.

hear hear, and if I were one of those people that looked and acted like you… I would probably change the way I looked and acted… hint hint.

What are you spouting… didn’t you read they followed federal guidelines? This isn’t the only article on the subject.

percentage wise, there are more racist white people than muslims who are terrorists..
As for the family getting screened. Yes, it happens to many muslims. The truth is Americans are not as open as they are made out to be. The country is so f’d up beyond redemption. Let us all accept this simple truth and move on.

I agree with Howard, and was referring to the way muslims look and act. might as well wear a neon sign.

Now you’re talking!

I agree to a point but lets not generalize – the world is not and should never be controlled by a small group of people.

I have travelled all over the world and what I see is people, culture and richness – from every walk of life and religion. I see idiots but then I see 99.9999999% of the rest of the world.

If you think the Muslim religion is bad, look at the Old Testament, especially at Moses, see how ethical and moral his actions were. Is morality natural law or does it change from year to year? Is God Love or is it just an emotion? From reading the Old Testament, one would think love is nothing more than an emotion and morality changes from one year to the next.

Are you getting credit from the site everytime you refer someone to them?

Thanks

nope!

dude, I’m out here having fun and wasting some time… don’t take my comments serious. The only thing bothering me today is the fact that the Eagles pounded the Cowboys… I’m thinking I may need some therapy to get over this one :(

The Captain of the flight is the final authority. He let the mob mentality decide for him, what he gets paid the big bucks for. This was a family with kids. Duh! Maybe it IS the Georgia redneck yahoo mentality at work here.

Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian,

He did not do blow up a federal building because of anything in relation to Christianity, and even if he claimed to have (which he did not) there is nothing in Christian doctrine that would support his claim. Stop getting your education from the Oprah Whinfrey show!

The first Crusade occurred in 1095 in response to 400 years of violent Islamic conquest. By that time Isalm had swept trhough the middle east and north Africa, violently. The crusades were a response to reclaim territory, whatever it was called, there is nothing in Christian doctrine that calls for Christians to use violent force at all.

What powers and groups have done in the name of Christianity is not necessarily Christianity. What Jihadist do in the name of Islam is close obedience to the commands and example of Mohamed.

This is still a free country, last time I checked. There are many other religions and churches, peaceful, nonthreathening. We have a freedom of religion. Many other people changed their religion in this country in their past; either because they got married or their previous one just did not work for them. Why to live in this country and still embrace a corrupt religion? If my church would harbor fanatics, I'm gone. Who sows wind harvests tempest. How come we never hear about Asian-Americans being racialy profiled, or Slavic, Scandinavian, German and so on. Life is a change, so change.

So was the shoe bomber, think before you speak.

It sounds to me like your church does harbor at least one fanatic.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/prologue/

“Islamic terrorism is inspired by Islamic teachings. We can never get rid of Islamic terrorism unless we defeat the ideology behind it and that is Islam itself. Islam induces hate backed by lies. Muhammad was a terrorist by his own admission. All Muslims, to the extent that they follow him, are terrorists. Those Muslims who are not terrorists are ignorant of Islam and are not good Muslims. Fortunately they are the majority. We need to rescue them. If you are a good human being, you are not a Muslim. Read this site and if you can’t prove me wrong, which you certainly can’t, leave this deceitful cult of hate and terror and join mankind. Don’t be part of the Umma. Umma is fascism. It is divisive. It induces the hatred of others. Be part of humanity instead. Your ignorance is not an excuse. Pull your head out of the sand and face the truth, like we did.”

http://www.faithfreedom.org/prologue/

I have left out all major religions except the only one that is an open ended call to violence that is followed to this day …

Which one do you think is it?

[...] The Washington Independent » ‘Flying While Muslim,’ the New … [...]

Asian Americans are being racially profiled. Those Muslims happen to be South Asian.

(And yes, us East Asian Americans are discriminated against, too. Just not as often, and our issues tend not to be so quickly or easily publicized.

state sponsored racism

Would they have allowed Emirates Airlines to prevent a Yamaka wearing Jew from getting on a flight out of New York? Are Muslims less worthy of their rights than people of other races or religions?

Since we're so into profiling, I would like to suggest that we also bar all white teenage boys from attending high school for the foreseeable future, since they're the most likely demographic to snap and go around shooting their classmates in school. We cannot let this suspicious group attend school until we're sure we've eradicated all the possible psychos.

I know, you're going to say that white boys are mostly peaceful, that caucasians are a “race of peace”, the occasional Hitler aside.. But really, why take the chance when the lives of our kids are in danger?? Also, there was that one Asian kid who went bonkers not too long ago in some Virginia college. Maybe Korean boys need to be looked at too.

My fellow Americans, these school shootings – high school terrorism – have been happening like clockwork once every 2 years or so. It's in fact much more common than Muslims flying planes into buildings. So let us do our patriotic duty and treat all white boys with suspicion for the time being.

Yes lets profile all white boys who are suspected neo-nazis and have an obsession with death and killing. While we are at it lets profile anyone who is like that, whether they be white, asian, black, yellow … and that would include all Muslims based on the commands of their own prophet who they revere:

1. “Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.” Qur'an 9:29 [10]

See Quaran reference: 009.029
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagem…

I don't mind idiots but how about those who revere mohammed, they call themselves Muslims:

We will cast terror into the hearts of the Infidels. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. 8:12
Let not the Muslims take for friends or helpers the Infidels. 3:28,
Rouse the Muslims to the fight against Infidels. 8:65,
Then fight and slay the Infidels wherever ye find them, 9:5,
Fight the Infidels, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. 9:14,
O ye the Muslims take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Islam.9:23,
O ye the Muslims! Truly the Infidels are unclean. 9:28,
O ye Muslims! fight the Infidels who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you. 9:123,
Therefore, when ye meet the Infidels, smite at their necks; At length. 47:4,

http://www.faithfreedom.org/prologue/

We will cast terror into the hearts of the Infidels. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. 8:12
Let not the Muslims take for friends or helpers the Infidels. 3:28,
Rouse the Muslims to the fight against Infidels. 8:65,
Then fight and slay the Infidels wherever ye find them, 9:5,
Fight the Infidels, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame. 9:14,
O ye the Muslims take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love Islam.9:23,
O ye the Muslims! Truly the Infidels are unclean. 9:28,
O ye Muslims! fight the Infidels who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you. 9:123,
Therefore, when ye meet the Infidels, smite at their necks; At length. 47:4,

I guess, we all have responsibility to condemn racist behaviours, but that said, we also have a reason to be cautious especially in a world where hate thrives and terror reigns. I watched with a bit of sceptism today as thousands matched against Israel for its military action in Gaza. Perhaps it would have helped if the same protesters have come out to warn Hamas against breaking the seize-fire and giving peace a chance as it negotiates with Israel. Shouldn't the same protesters have come out to condemn and blame the extremist who did the Mumbai terror attack, the London bus bombing and the world-trade centre plane crashes. Let's stop the hypocrisy, no one would have told anybody to get off a plane were it not for recent experiences.

The truth here is that while we condemn such acts of discrimination and stereotyping, we should also stress that no religion which claims to serve a kind and merciful God should encourage suicide bombings or any act of violence for whatever reason. When that stance becomes a global creed there will be trust, harmony and love. Needless to state that we need to stop the hate, we need to stop the bloodletting and lets focus on the things that make us one. We can make it if we try.

I guess, we all have responsibility to condemn racist behaviours, but that said, we also have a reason to be cautious especially in a world where hate thrives and terror reigns. I watched with a bit of sceptism today as thousands matched against Israel for its military action in Gaza. Perhaps it would have helped if the same protesters had come out to warn Hamas against breaking the seize-fire and giving peace a chance as it negotiates with Israel. Shouldn't the same protesters have come out to condemn and blame the extremist who did the Mumbai terror attack, the London bus bombing and the world-trade centre plane crashes. Let's stop the hypocrisy, no one would have told anybody to get off a plane were it not for recent experiences.

The truth here is that while we condemn such acts of discrimination and stereotyping, we should also stress that no religion which claims to serve a kind and merciful God should encourage suicide bombings or any act of violence for whatever reason. When that stance becomes a global creed there will be trust, harmony and love. Needless to state that we need to stop the hate, we need to stop the bloodletting and lets focus on the things that make us one. We can make it if we try.

“I leave you, hoping that the lamp of liberty will burn in your bosoms until there shall no longer be a doubt that all men are created free and equal.” Abraham Lincoln

“I leave you, hoping that the lamp of liberty will burn in your bosoms until there shall no longer be a doubt that all men are created free and equal.” Abraham Lincoln

Sorry, look at their websites. I repeat, look at their websites.
I can understand your desire to dissociate them from Christianity. You may be interested to know that mainstream Islamic persons have the same desire to dissociate Al-Qu’aida from Islam.

Your attitude (for that is what it is) perpetuates anti-Islam sentiments without any attempt to understand.
First: “Islam” means “peace.” Take it from there.

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