Comments on: Howard Dean Faces Tough Choices http://washingtonindependent.com/2282/howard-dean-faces-tough-choices National News in Context Tue, 31 Jan 2012 02:40:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Exceteevade http://washingtonindependent.com/2282/howard-dean-faces-tough-choices/comment-page-1#comment-280045 Exceteevade Sun, 04 Sep 2011 06:05:59 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=2282#comment-280045 So I've been looking around the net and have come to the conclusion that it's hard to find someone to do good SEO Work! It just plain is! But I did stumble upon a gentlmen that really knows his stuff and got my site to a page rank 3 in one month! He's great! Check him out I think you will be suprised. Why am I sharing? Because This Forum KICKS ASS!! Ha ha enough said! Try him out you won't be dissapointed. <a href="http://backlinksbuildingservices.net/" / rel="nofollow">automatic backlink software</a> So I’ve been looking around the net and have come to the conclusion that it’s hard to find someone to do good

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]]> By: dndobson http://washingtonindependent.com/2282/howard-dean-faces-tough-choices/comment-page-1#comment-3467 dndobson Sun, 17 Feb 2008 10:48:01 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=2282#comment-3467 It should be remembered that the decision of the Florida Democratic Party to have their Primary at the same time as the Republicans was a FINANCIAL decision. The FL Dem Party could have held Caucuses at an allowed later date at their own cost. So there is plenty of blame to be thrown around here and I commend the DNC for trying to have real consequences for breaking those rules and making it clear up front. Counting Florida as is unfair to every other state that moved up their primaries to earliest date allowed. California, for instance -- try winning the general without California! i understand the Floirda voters are pissed, but they should be pissed at the their State party most of all, not Dean, not the DNC and certainly not the rest of us who abided by the rules and expect the same of Floridia. It should be remembered that the decision of the Florida Democratic Party to have their Primary at the same time as the Republicans was a FINANCIAL decision. The FL Dem Party could have held Caucuses at an allowed later date at their own cost. So there is plenty of blame to be thrown around here and I commend the DNC for trying to have real consequences for breaking those rules and making it clear up front. Counting Florida as is unfair to every other state that moved up their primaries to earliest date allowed. California, for instance — try winning the general without California! i understand the Floirda voters are pissed, but they should be pissed at the their State party most of all, not Dean, not the DNC and certainly not the rest of us who abided by the rules and expect the same of Floridia.

]]> By: johndavid http://washingtonindependent.com/2282/howard-dean-faces-tough-choices/comment-page-1#comment-3466 johndavid Sat, 16 Feb 2008 21:35:16 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=2282#comment-3466 Denying all delegates from the Michigan and Florida primaries was a serious tactical mistake by the DNC. I agree with the party's efforts to control the sequencing of primaries & caucuses. However, the DNC showed it's hand to the Republican party by announcing in detail what its intent was, should those 2 states violate the DNC scheduling directive.<br><br><br><br>The DNC should have said 'there will be consequences' without detailing them. I imagine the DNC thought it was showing the consequences to be so drastic that the states would back down. But it thereby gave that info to the RNC. As a Floridian, I know that my state legislature is Republican controlled and it was the GOP that pushed through the primary schedule change.<br><br><br><br>I don't know the exact sequence of events as to: threatening consequences; the Florida legislature ignoring the threat; the RNC announcing its form of consequences.<br><br>Perhaps the RNC just got lucky. But here is how it played out. The DNC threatened that no delegates would be earned in Florida (& Michigan); the RNC went with a less drastic consequence (i.e., only half the usual delegates earned); Florida Republicans saw the opportunity to allow the Democratic Party to burn itself and so moved the primary date up.<br><br><br><br>In addition to the ongoing disagreements about whether Democratic delegates should be allotted and/or seated, there is the lingering disatisfaction with the DNC (by its own) that the heavy-handed consequences have served to disenfranchise the Democrates of Florida and Michigan. The Republican Party can, by contrast, point out that it punished the states but also allowed some representation. The RNC completely played the DNC, I regret to say.<br><br><br><br>Hey, DNC, don't you folks play poker or chess? Your tactical mistake has become an ongoing strategic blunder. You disappoint me. Denying all delegates from the Michigan and Florida primaries was a serious tactical mistake by the DNC. I agree with the party's efforts to control the sequencing of primaries & caucuses. However, the DNC showed it's hand to the Republican party by announcing in detail what its intent was, should those 2 states violate the DNC scheduling directive.

The DNC should have said 'there will be consequences' without detailing them. I imagine the DNC thought it was showing the consequences to be so drastic that the states would back down. But it thereby gave that info to the RNC. As a Floridian, I know that my state legislature is Republican controlled and it was the GOP that pushed through the primary schedule change.

I don't know the exact sequence of events as to: threatening consequences; the Florida legislature ignoring the threat; the RNC announcing its form of consequences.

Perhaps the RNC just got lucky. But here is how it played out. The DNC threatened that no delegates would be earned in Florida (& Michigan); the RNC went with a less drastic consequence (i.e., only half the usual delegates earned); Florida Republicans saw the opportunity to allow the Democratic Party to burn itself and so moved the primary date up.

In addition to the ongoing disagreements about whether Democratic delegates should be allotted and/or seated, there is the lingering disatisfaction with the DNC (by its own) that the heavy-handed consequences have served to disenfranchise the Democrates of Florida and Michigan. The Republican Party can, by contrast, point out that it punished the states but also allowed some representation. The RNC completely played the DNC, I regret to say.

Hey, DNC, don't you folks play poker or chess? Your tactical mistake has become an ongoing strategic blunder. You disappoint me.

]]> By: dndobson http://washingtonindependent.com/2282/howard-dean-faces-tough-choices/comment-page-1#comment-3465 dndobson Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:05:21 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=2282#comment-3465 Dean is absolutely right, the Supers should do what they think is best for the party (and by extension the nation.) In doing so they should consider the elected delegate count and fear going against it; they should consider the energy of the Obama campaign and worry they might short circuit it; and they should think hard about who which candidate will fare better against the Republican attack machine that we all know is coming. Which is why I continue to say that Obama should be selected even if Hillary is slightly ahead in the delegate count and especially if she is slightly ahead because she gets Michigan and Florida as they are. But that is for each Super to figure out for themselves, exactly as the rules intended it to be. Dean is absolutely right, the Supers should do what they think is best for the party (and by extension the nation.) In doing so they should consider the elected delegate count and fear going against it; they should consider the energy of the Obama campaign and worry they might short circuit it; and they should think hard about who which candidate will fare better against the Republican attack machine that we all know is coming. Which is why I continue to say that Obama should be selected even if Hillary is slightly ahead in the delegate count and especially if she is slightly ahead because she gets Michigan and Florida as they are. But that is for each Super to figure out for themselves, exactly as the rules intended it to be.

]]> By: dndobson http://washingtonindependent.com/2282/howard-dean-faces-tough-choices/comment-page-1#comment-2020 dndobson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=2282#comment-2020 It should be remembered that the decision of the Florida Democratic Party to have their Primary at the same time as the Republicans was a FINANCIAL decision. The FL Dem Party could have held Caucuses at an allowed later date at their own cost. So there is plenty of blame to be thrown around here and I commend the DNC for trying to have real consequences for breaking those rules and making it clear up front. Counting Florida as is unfair to every other state that moved up their primaries to earliest date allowed. California, for instance -- try winning the general without California! i understand the Floirda voters are pissed, but they should be pissed at the their State party most of all, not Dean, not the DNC and certainly not the rest of us who abided by the rules and expect the same of Floridia. It should be remembered that the decision of the Florida Democratic Party to have their Primary at the same time as the Republicans was a FINANCIAL decision. The FL Dem Party could have held Caucuses at an allowed later date at their own cost. So there is plenty of blame to be thrown around here and I commend the DNC for trying to have real consequences for breaking those rules and making it clear up front. Counting Florida as is unfair to every other state that moved up their primaries to earliest date allowed. California, for instance — try winning the general without California! i understand the Floirda voters are pissed, but they should be pissed at the their State party most of all, not Dean, not the DNC and certainly not the rest of us who abided by the rules and expect the same of Floridia.

]]> By: johndavid http://washingtonindependent.com/2282/howard-dean-faces-tough-choices/comment-page-1#comment-2021 johndavid Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=2282#comment-2021 Denying all delegates from the Michigan and Florida primaries was a serious tactical mistake by the DNC. I agree with the party's efforts to control the sequencing of primaries & caucuses. However, the DNC showed it's hand to the Republican party by announcing in detail what its intent was, should those 2 states violate the DNC scheduling directive. The DNC should have said 'there will be consequences' without detailing them. I imagine the DNC thought it was showing the consequences to be so drastic that the states would back down. But it thereby gave that info to the RNC. As a Floridian, I know that my state legislature is Republican controlled and it was the GOP that pushed through the primary schedule change. I don't know the exact sequence of events as to: threatening consequences; the Florida legislature ignoring the threat; the RNC announcing its form of consequences. Perhaps the RNC just got lucky. But here is how it played out. The DNC threatened that no delegates would be earned in Florida (& Michigan); the RNC went with a less drastic consequence (i.e., only half the usual delegates earned); Florida Republicans saw the opportunity to allow the Democratic Party to burn itself and so moved the primary date up. In addition to the ongoing disagreements about whether Democratic delegates should be allotted and/or seated, there is the lingering disatisfaction with the DNC (by its own) that the heavy-handed consequences have served to disenfranchise the Democrates of Florida and Michigan. The Republican Party can, by contrast, point out that it punished the states but also allowed some representation. The RNC completely played the DNC, I regret to say. Hey, DNC, don't you folks play poker or chess? Your tactical mistake has become an ongoing strategic blunder. You disappoint me. Denying all delegates from the Michigan and Florida primaries was a serious tactical mistake by the DNC. I agree with the party’s efforts to control the sequencing of primaries & caucuses. However, the DNC showed it’s hand to the Republican party by announcing in detail what its intent was, should those 2 states violate the DNC scheduling directive.

The DNC should have said ‘there will be consequences’ without detailing them. I imagine the DNC thought it was showing the consequences to be so drastic that the states would back down. But it thereby gave that info to the RNC. As a Floridian, I know that my state legislature is Republican controlled and it was the GOP that pushed through the primary schedule change.

I don’t know the exact sequence of events as to: threatening consequences; the Florida legislature ignoring the threat; the RNC announcing its form of consequences.

Perhaps the RNC just got lucky. But here is how it played out. The DNC threatened that no delegates would be earned in Florida (& Michigan); the RNC went with a less drastic consequence (i.e., only half the usual delegates earned); Florida Republicans saw the opportunity to allow the Democratic Party to burn itself and so moved the primary date up.

In addition to the ongoing disagreements about whether Democratic delegates should be allotted and/or seated, there is the lingering disatisfaction with the DNC (by its own) that the heavy-handed consequences have served to disenfranchise the Democrates of Florida and Michigan. The Republican Party can, by contrast, point out that it punished the states but also allowed some representation. The RNC completely played the DNC, I regret to say.

Hey, DNC, don’t you folks play poker or chess? Your tactical mistake has become an ongoing strategic blunder. You disappoint me.

]]> By: dndobson http://washingtonindependent.com/2282/howard-dean-faces-tough-choices/comment-page-1#comment-2022 dndobson Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.washingtonindependent.com.php5-9.websitetestlink.com/?p=2282#comment-2022 Dean is absolutely right, the Supers should do what they think is best for the party (and by extension the nation.) In doing so they should consider the elected delegate count and fear going against it; they should consider the energy of the Obama campaign and worry they might short circuit it; and they should think hard about who which candidate will fare better against the Republican attack machine that we all know is coming. Which is why I continue to say that Obama should be selected even if Hillary is slightly ahead in the delegate count and especially if she is slightly ahead because she gets Michigan and Florida as they are. But that is for each Super to figure out for themselves, exactly as the rules intended it to be. Dean is absolutely right, the Supers should do what they think is best for the party (and by extension the nation.) In doing so they should consider the elected delegate count and fear going against it; they should consider the energy of the Obama campaign and worry they might short circuit it; and they should think hard about who which candidate will fare better against the Republican attack machine that we all know is coming. Which is why I continue to say that Obama should be selected even if Hillary is slightly ahead in the delegate count and especially if she is slightly ahead because she gets Michigan and Florida as they are. But that is for each Super to figure out for themselves, exactly as the rules intended it to be.

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