Napolitano Offers Obama Pragmatic Take on Immigration

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Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at 6:07 am
Gov. Janet Napolitano (Arizona Governor's Office)

Gov. Janet Napolitano (Arizona Governor's Office)

PHOENIX—If Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano becomes the new secretary of homeland security, this centrist Democrat could have the opportunity to institute nationwide reforms to address continuing problems with illegal immigration and border security. These reforms could grow out of the policies and programs that Napolitano has tested in her 15 years of public service in a state that is ground zero in America’s struggle to control its borders.

Napolitano, 50, is now frequently mentioned as President-elect Barack Obama’s leading candidate to run the Dept. of Homeland Security, a sprawling bureaucracy with 200,000 employees and a $50 billion budget that is responsible for protecting against future terrorist attacks, securing borders from illegal entry and responding to natural disasters through oversight of the much-maligned Federal Emergency Management Agency. The department also includes the Secret Service, the U.S. Coast Guard and other agencies.

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

As governor, Napolitano developed expertise in many of homeland security’s primary missions. She gained a national profile when she demanded in 2006 that the federal government pay for deploying National Guard troops along the border to help the overwhelmed U.S. Border Patrol, a move that foreshadowed President George W. Bush’s deployment of guard troops to the Mexican border. Those troops have since been withdrawn, and last week Napolitano called for their redeployment.

A former U.S. attorney and state attorney general, Napolitano has been widely popular in a conservative, Republican-leaning state since winning the governorship in 2002. She carried every legislative district in her 2006 re-election.

Critics say Napolitano gained notoriety more through shrewd political decisions, like her call for the National Guard deployment, than by taking tough stands on important issues, including human-rights matters, that could be major considerations for a homeland security secretary.

Critics also point to her actions while U.S. attorney for Arizona in the mid-1990s. Napolitano soft-pedaled a Justice Dept. investigation into the notorious Maricopa County jails operated by Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who remains a powerful political force in Arizona. Arpaio, a Republican, later supported Napolitano in her first gubernatiorial campaign — a race she won narrowly.

If appointed and confirmed as DHS secretary, Napolitano is expected to take a pragmatic approach in dealing with the nation’s porous borders and its estimated 12 million illegal immigrants. She’s against the concept of “sealing the border” with a wall, instead favoring high-tech solutions across the Southwest.

Napolitano has said she has no time for “unrealistic” demands to round up and deport every undocumented worker. At the same time, she’s not about to extend a blanket amnesty, like that approved by President Ronald Reagan in the 1980s. She has talked instead about a strict protocol for allowing immigrants to remain in the United States, including stiff fines and requiring a history of paying taxes.

Napolitano is also poised to reform the nation’s visa system to increase the needed supply of workers — whether skilled, high-tech experts or seasonal migrant farm workers. But that won’t be a back-door entry, Napolitano insists, because she supports tough employer sanctions for companies that knowingly hire undocumented workers.

Napolitano has steered this meandering course during her six years as governor in a state where voters have passed a series of initiatives that have made life far more difficult for illegal immigrants, including denying welfare benefits. She vetoed more than a dozen bills that she deemed too harsh or too expensive to implement. But, at the same time, she has demanded that the federal government take immediate steps to control the border and has insisted that the state be reimbursed for the costs of imprisoning illegal immigrants.

Arizona has had to deal with the expenses of severe overcrowding in its prison system because it incarcerates illegal immigrants that are the federal government’s responsibility. Napolitano has sent the Justice Dept. a bill for $500 million to cover unreimbursed costs over the last six years, including a $500,000 penalty for each year delinquent and $11 million in interest, calculated at 1.8 percent.

She has also been pro-active in developing bi-national agreements with Mexico to strengthen border security.

Napolitano has managed large-scale emergency response operations that should give her a head start on strengthening FEMA. She has been tested, literally under fire, in developing a statewide emergency response plan for natural disasters that has proven effective in reducing the dangers of catastrophic wildfires that threaten much of Arizona’s 2.5 million acres of Ponderosa pine forest. Her experience could offer insights when trying to strengthen the nation’s emergency response system in era of global warming and powerful hurricanes.

The Arizona governor also has a leg up on anti-terrorism strategies. In 2004, Napolitano opened the Arizona Counter Terrorism Information Center, considered one of the best regional intelligence-gathering operations. The center is staffed with more than 200 detectives, special agents, analysts and other personnel representing 34 state, local and federal agencies.

But it is Napolitano’s handling of illegal immigration that has attracted national attention. Illegal immigrants have overwhelmed many of Arizona’s public schools, hospitals and prisons, especially since stronger border enforcement in California and Texas has funneled millions of immigrants toward Arizona. They hike across the Sonoran Desert, a dangerous trek that kills hundreds each year. Arizona, with a population of 6.2 million, has an estimated 650,000 illegal immigrants.

Doris Meissner, former director of the Immigration and Naturalization Service in the Clinton administration who is now at the Migration Policy Institute, a Washington nonpartisan think tank, said Napolitano “has been outspoken about the need for effective federal action” to control the border while “stressing the importance of comprehensive immigration reform legislation.”

Meissner said Napolitano “would be an excellent choice” to lead homeland security’s 22 different agencies. “She has impeccable law-enforcement and leadership credentials,” Meissner said, “and as a border-state governor has direct knowledge and experience of how our broken immigration system is affecting her state and the nation.”

Roy Beck, president of Numbers USA, a policy group that seeks to reduce immigration, criticized Napolitano, saying she supports “amnesty” for illegal immigrants, though he still praised her efforts in taking steps to “secure the border.” In what may be a signal that Napolitano could face tough questioning from Republicans, many Numbers USA members harshly criticized Beck’s recent statement in his blog, that “Obama could do a lot worse” in picking Napolitano.

Randall Larsen, director of the nonpartisan Institute for Homeland Security, which advocates containing terrorism, said Napolitano’s “resume is very impressive for what you are looking for in a secretary of homeland security.” However, Larsen said he was concerned that Napolitano lacked Washington experience, so who she selects as her deputy could be “very important.”

Rodolfo Espino, a professor of political science at Arizona State University, said Napolitano could face a relatively easy confirmation process, in part because Republicans in Arizona are eager to see her leave, for it would open the way for the Republican secretary of state, Jan Brewer, to succeed her as governor.

Espino said Napolitano has steered a centrist course on immigration policy, angering both the extreme left and far right. He predicted that Napolitano could push states to cooperate more on border security. “She’s going to take a very pragmatic approach that immigration forces are tied to economic trends,” Espino said.

Napolitano, who has declined to comment on her possible appointment, outlined her comprehensive plan on immigration policy in a February 2007 speech to the National Press Club in Washington. The speech provides a window into the policies that Napolitano clearly wanted Congress to implement only a month after she and Obama held a lengthy meeting to discuss a wide range of issues.

“We have to acknowledge that illegal immigration is a supply-and-demand problem, and that Congress must address both sides of that equation,” Napolitano said. The governor said Washington must take a two-pronged approach to addressing illegal immigration by not only cutting off the undocumented workers from across the border, or the supply of labor, but also increasing penalties on employers who hired illegal workers.

She dismissed anti-immigration leaders’ demands to seal the border with a wall as a “simplistic” solution, doomed to fail. She repeated her often-used phrase of “show me a 50-foot wall, and I’ll show you a 51-foot ladder.” Napolitano also said that rounding up an estimated 12 million “undocumented workers” for deportation is a “joke” and “not reality-based.”

Instead of a building an expensive 700-mile-long wall across vast stretches that could be difficult to maintain, Napolitano said there should be additional federal spending on developing “technology-driven” border controls, including ground-based sensors, radar and unmanned aerial vehicles backed by more Border Patrol agents.

The governor also said in her 2007 speech that she wants to reform the nation’s visa policies to “widen the legal labor pool” and revise quotas, so that nations are awarded visas on a more equitable basis. She noted that the Dominican Republic, with a population of 8 million, is granted more visas on a per capita basis than Mexico, with a population of 100 million. “No wonder it takes, on average, more than 10 years to get a legal immigrant visa from Mexico,” she said, “talk about incentive to cross illegally.”

Napolitano signaled that she would support a nationwide requirement that all employers must verify the legal status of employees through a federal database called E-Verify. “Employers who hire illegal immigrants — and know it — should be held accountable and penalized,” she said.

In 2007, Napolitano signed the nation’s toughest employer sanction’s law for hiring illegal immigrants after Arizona voters overwhelmingly approved a referendum. The law required employers to use E-Verify on new hires after Jan. 1, 2008. There have been few complaints from businesses since the law was implemented last July. Anecdotal evidence suggests that many illegal immigrants are leaving Arizona.

As far as the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants living in the country, Napolitano said the “only realistic alternative” is to “create a strict, stringent pathway to citizenship.” That pathway, the governor said, “must involve a substantial fine, learning English, having no criminal history, keeping a job, paying taxes, then getting in the back of the line and waiting your turn.”

Napolitano has been an advocate of strengthening the state’s ability to respond to emergency situations and be on the frontline of detecting and stopping terrorists. Her philosophy merges with a report last week in The Wall Street Journal that Obama’s advisers have said that the Dept. of Homeland Security may be in for a major overhaul, with a particular focus on redefining the relationship between the department and state and local officials.

Napolitano has earned a reputation of being a quick study, with an ability to bring divergent interests together for a common solution -– skills that will be imperative in running homeland security. Soon after taking office, Napolitano established a statewide task force to develop plans to restore forest health and reduce the risk of catastrophic wildfires in the aftermath of a June 2002 fire that burned 467,000 acres of woodland.

Napolitano championed various solutions, included thinning thousands of acres of overgrown and drought-weakened pine forests near populated areas. These preventive steps helped contain to less than 100 acres what might have been a serious wildfire that erupted near Flagstaff in 2006.

“She created a space for people to sit down and respectively build an agreement and then develop strategies that could be successfully implemented,” said Todd Schulke, senior policy adviser with Center for Biological Diversity, a Tucson-based environmental group. “We will miss her.”

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65 Comments

HernandezUSA
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 7:36 am

We DO NOT NEED Amnesty (Path to Citizenship for criminals) of any form until we have 100% Enforcement.

We need the SAVE ACT and E-verify used for every business.

E-verify does not discriminate against RACE, Religion, SEX or physically capability only your Citizenship and your LEGAL right to be and work in United States.

If we can stop Predatory business owners from hiring then the Illegal Aliens will not Stay and return to their native Countries.

This ISSUE is not about RACE, but Governments Federal/State/LOCAL not doing their jobs, because big and small business owners want cheap workers and no labor laws to bother with. Its called GREED!

Liberal and Conservatives take some pride in your Country and protect it from all invading nations citizens and corporate greed.


Golden
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 9:20 am

It is your hysterical characterization of illegal aliens as “criminals” that really rubs me the wrong way. For the sake of argument let us discuss those who are now illegal who came to this country on valid visas and then overstayed. At that point they are in the same legal position as those who entered without inspection. If you enter on a visa then overstay, it is not a criminal violation but a civil (administrative) violation. So this leads me to believe that you are focusing on Mexicans and Mexicans only who cross illegally..

Yet your ranting seems to indicate that you equate illegal aliens with carjackers, rapists, thieves arsonists and the like. Look, while I am conservative, I do not have it in my heart to demonize people who cross the border seeking to make money to support heir families (doing jobs that 99.9% of Americans will not deign to do) WHEN THE ONLY REASON THEY CROSS THIS WAY IS BECAUSE THE U.S. DOES NOT HAVE A PRACTICAL, USABLE GUEST WORKER PROGRAM AT THIS TIME.

I suspect you gloss this fact over (perhaps because you are unintelligent, but more likely because you are simply ignorant).

And please don;t start ranting that the law is the law is the law…

Laws are updated all the time depending on the circumstances of society. Bear in mind that child labor used to be legal. Just because it as legal, did this make it a morally correct law? NO!!!!!!! The fact of the matter is that our immigration laws are outdated and do not serve the interests of the U.S. Contemplating changing the laws to address problems in the system is smart and taking the position that the laws are fine, just enforce them, is just plain stupid.


Bettybb
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 9:56 am

With 10 million Americans out of work, and more to come, there is no way that there can be any pathway to citizenship. Bring on E-Verify, expand it so it catches people who have stolen an American's id ( it does not do so now) and mandate all business use it. Illegal aliens will self deport if they cannot work.

Per the Zogby Nov 5-6 2008 poll, only 21% of voters approve of a pathway to citizenship. 57% believe illegal immigration harms American workers, 60% want a crackdown on illegal aliens and their employers, and 67% of Obama supporters either did not think the issue was important or voted for Obama despite his amensty policy.

I note that even with Napolitano's plan, it is still giving preferential treatment to lawbreaking illegal aliens over the law abiding people who want to immigrate. The lawabiding ones have to pass a history test, clear a background check, pass a medical, and agree not to take US social benefits for x number of years. Plus the illegals get to stay in the USA while waiting “at the back of the line”.

I also doubt the fine she proposes will be substantial. Let's see, at $8,000 per year for each illegal kid who has been educated by the American taxpayer, the hospital bills for the birth illegal aliens' kids that were paid for by the US taxpayer, the medical bills for the illegal aliens paid for by the US taxpayer, the food stamps and other social benefits taken by the illegal aliens, the cost to the US taxpayer of these lawbreakers runs into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Now of course, with the mortqage failure,one has to ask how many are loans to illegal aliens, who are going to get their mortgage subsidized by the taxpayer. Some estimate at high as 47% of these loans in default are to Hispanics, and the Pew Hispanic Center indicates that allmost all illegal aliens are Hispanic.

Don't forget the one raid in CO of a tax preparation service. The police found 1,300 tax returns that illegal aliens had submitted with fake id's thereby obtaining $2.6 million in rebates. It is estimate each illegal alien has 3 different id's; think of how much of this is going on.

There is so much id theft and document fraud, there is no way to know how many of these illegal aliens have been stealing from the American people.

Time to secure the border, enforce our laws and rid this country of people who have no respect for the law and who have been ripping off the American taxpayer.


McMorty
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 10:02 am

Golden I agree with the first part of your response, however the lack of a usable guest worker program is not the ONLY reason that they cross. Many come across to give birth to a child, some come across for the free education for their children, some reunite with family members and work in industries where we don't need a guest worker program but they work for lower wages and off the books. I could go on and on as there is not just one ONLY reason. Whithin the last year positive strides have been taken to correct a very weak enforcement of US immigration laws and Napolitano is a fair choice that has seen first hand the positives and negatives of the illegal immigration topic and seems willing to apply a fair but tough standard for the good and safety of the United States and it's citizens. The SAVE Act would be another good step.


Bettybb
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 10:06 am

Illegal entry to the US, 1st offense = criminal misdeamor with jail up to 6 months, 2nd offense= felony with a term up to 20 years.

Overstaying a visa =administrative offense.

Stealing an American's id = felony

Using forged documents = felony

Tax Evasion = felony

Driving without a license = criminal misdemeanor.

Every single illegal alien who is working or driving in the US is a criminal, whether they entered the US on a visa then overstayed, or whether they came across the border illegally.

How do you think Mexico would react if 36 million Americans entered Mexico illegal, stole Mexican jobs, used forged documents, stole Mexican id's, evaded Mexican taxes, drove without a license, demanded government services in English, stole governmental benefits, demanded immunity for their crimes and demanded citizensip?

Would Mexico have what you call a “moral” reaction.. ie say okey dokey.. fine with us?

LOL…

PS. The reason that Mexico is a corrupt, crime ridden failed country is because they do not believe in the rule of law. Now they want to import that poison to America.

NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW IN AMERICA,,,NOT EVEN ILLEGAL ALIENS


Henry Cox
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 10:14 am

Folks.. Are you completely out of touch with reality? I realize you are working for a “fascist/racist think tank” but come on.. Look at election results.. Your fav Lou Barletta lost. Hate speech and fear wont work.
And what happened with all you Neo cons “moving to Australia if Obama wins?


Bettybb
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 11:25 am

Wake up and smell the coffee. Per the Zogby post election poll, of all voters, only 21% are for a pathway to citizenship, 57% believe that illegal immigration harms American workers, 60% want a crackdown on illegal aliens and their employers, and 67% of Obama voters said they either did not think illegal immigration was an important issue or they voted for Obama despite his pro amnesty stance.

1. The rule of law.. one law for everyone, applied equally
2. Equality under the law …ie all immigrants must follow the same rules..no preferential treatment for lawbreaking Hispanics ( per the Pew Hispanic Center almost all illegal aliens are Hispanic).
3. No preferential treatment based on race. ( per the Pew Hispanic Center almost all illegal aliens are Hispanic).
4. No one in America is above the law, not even lawbreaking illegal aliens,

Any politician in “America today, with 10 million Americans out of work and more being added daily, will be committing political suicide.


Bettybb
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 11:27 am

P.S. I am a 20 year plus Democrat. Americans of all poltical beliefs are anti racist preferential treatment for lawbreaking illegal aliens. Amnesty is anti American. In this county, we believe in equality under the law, and no one, and that includes illegal aliens, is above the law.


Saint Peter II
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 12:22 pm

Were did you ever get the idea that no one is above the law in America? As far as Mexicans go, it would seem that they are moving back to the land that they were robbed of by certain Americans, okey dokey?


Valley
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 1:25 pm

Excellent article. Great reporting from both sides. I'm a longtime Numbers USA member, and I agree with Roy Beck: Obama could have done a lot worse in picking Napolatino. I'd rather have someone in charge of the illegal immigration problem that has first-hand knowledge, like Napolatino, of the effect it has on state budgets than someone who has no experience and ends up listening to lobbyists.

I am particularly heartened by her statement that after fulfilling strict requirements the pathway to citizenship for illegal immigrants would then entail “getting in the back of the line and waiting your turn.” However, that's a gray area – do they wait in their own country?


Mike
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 2:59 pm

Don'y you mean law breaking illegal immigrants. Don't put all Hispanics in one category as being all illegal and criminals. Ilegal immigration has nothing to do with ethnicity, but what what action each individual does. So think before you post your hatred on Hispanics.


Buzzm1
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 3:51 pm

STOP THE INVASION!!!

UNITED STATES BORDER APPREHENSIONS (Source DHS/CBP)
1987–1,190,488——1995–1,394,554——2003—-931,557
1988–1,008,145——1996–1,649,986——2004–1,160,395
1989—-954,243——1997–1,412,953——2005–1,189,075
1990–1,169,939——1998–1,555,776——2006–1,089,902
1991–1,197,875——1999–1,579,010——2007—-876,704
1992–1,258,482——2000–1,676,438——2008—-723,825
1993–1,327,259——2001–1,266,213——2009—-(beginning 10/01)
1994–1,094,717——2002—-955,310

FACT: In the last 22 years, over 26 million illegals, have been apprehended, after crossing the border, into our United States.

THE PROBLEM IS: Less than 1, out of 4 illegals, are estimated to have been apprehended.

Mind boggling, isn't it.

According to the U.S. Immigration Service another 6 million illegals in our country are visa overstays.


Buzzm1
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 3:54 pm

STOP THE INVASION!!!

BUILD THE FENCE!!!

MANDATE E-VERIFY!!!

Southwest Border Patrol Sector Apprehensions (Source DHS/CBP)
Fiscal Year————-2005———2006———2007——-2008 (ends 9/30)
San Diego————126,879—–142,104—- 152,460— 162,390
El Centro————–55,725——-61,465—– 55,883—– 40,961
Yuma—————–138,492—–118,549—– 37,992—— 8,363*
Tucson ————–439,053—–392,074—- 378,239— 317,696
El Paso—————122,624—–122,256—– 75,464—– 30,312
Marfa ——————10,532——–7,520——- 5,536—— 5,391
Del Rio —————–68,547——42,636—– 22,920—– 20,761
Laredo —————–75,268——74,840—– 56,714——43,658
Rio Grande Valley –134,136—-110,528—— 73,430—– 75,473
Apprehensions—-1,171,386–1,071,972—–858,638—-705,005

*The Yuma Sector presently has a total of 94 miles of fencing. The difference is apparent.

The Yuma Border Patrol Sector is under control:
——-Yuma Border Patrol Sector Apprehensions——–
———–OCT
FY2009—338
FY2008–1094
FY2007–3478
FY2006–9428
FY2005–8872

The El Paso Border Patrol Sector will soon be under control
——-El Paso Border Patrol Sector Apprehensions——–
———–OCT
FY2009–1468–
*The El Paso Sector of the U.S. Border Patrol is currently in the process of constructing 80 miles of vehicle fencing in New Mexico and approximately 56 miles of pedestrian fencing in New Mexico and Texas, officials said.
FY2008–3605
FY2007–6183
FY2006-11027


Buzzm1
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 3:57 pm

SUPPORT THE ALL-AMERICAN STIMULUS PLAN!!!

THE ALL-AMERICAN STIMULUS PLAN WILL PROVIDE JOBS FOR 8.7 MILLION UNEMPLOYED AMERICAN WORKERS AND IT WON'T COST ANYTHING!!!

Illegals, using forged, and/or stolen identities, have illegally obtained up to 8.7 million jobs; these are jobs that Americans will do, jobs in food processing, jobs in manufacturing; these are jobs that rightfully belonged to American workers in the first place.

MANDATE E-VERIFY, FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, AND FOR ALL EMPLOYERS, AND IT WILL GENERATE 8.7 MILLION JOBS FOR UNEMPLOYED AMERICAN WORKERS!!!

THE ALL-AMERICAN STIMULUS PLAN WILL SAVE AMERICAN TAXPAYERS 300 BILLION DOLLARS EACH, AND EVERY, YEAR (the estimated annual cost of illegal immigrants to American taxpayers)!!!

SUPPORT THE ALL-AMERICAN STIMULUS PLAN!!!

REMEMBER, IT WON'T COST ANYTHING!!!


Buzzm1
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 4:01 pm

ENFORCE OUR LAWS AGAINST ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!!!

THERE WILL BE NO AMNESTY!!!

OUR ACCEPTABLE IMMIGRATION REFORM

#1. Make Illegal Entry a Felony Permanently Barring Citizenship
#2. Secure Our Borders with our National Guard!!!
#3. Mandate E-Verify for ALL Employees!!!
#4. Cut Off ALL Public Assistance to Illegals and Their Children!!!
#5. Stop the Underground Economy!!!
#6. End Birthright Citizenship for Illegals!!!
#7. End Chain Migration!!!
#8. Make English our Official Language!!!
#9. Cut Off Federal Funds to Sanctuary Cities!!

NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!


Buzzm1
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 4:05 pm

The government has been lying to you……again.

The BIG LIE……

They keep saying there are only 12 million illegal immigrants in our United States.

FACT: In the last 22 years, over 26 million illegals, have been apprehended, after crossing the border, into our United States. THE PROBLEM IS: Less than 1, out of 4, of the invading illegals, are estimated to have been apprehended.

According to the U.S. Immigration Service another 6 million illegals in our country are visa overstays.

There are, AT LEAST, 40 million illegal immigrants in our United States……….

there are 8.7 million illegals working at on-the-books jobs that they used forged, and/or stolen, identities, to illegally obtain.

there are at least that many more illegals working under-the-table, for unscrupulous employers, as part of the tax fraud laden underground economy.

there are over 5 million illegal immigrant students overcrowding our schools, all at American taxpayer expense.

Illegal immigrants cost American taxpayers over 300 billion dollars a year.

The Bush administration in its final weeks will revive a stalled crackdown on U.S. companies that hire illegal immigrants, issuing a new regulation and asking a federal judge to lift a ban on the measure, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced yesterday.

If the court agrees, the government could begin mailing notices to 140,000 employers regarding suspect Social Security numbers used by an estimated 8.7 million workers, pressuring businesses to either resolve discrepancies or fire workers within 90 days.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ar…

E-VERIFY MUST BE MANDATED, FOR ALL EMPLOYEES, AND FOR ALL EMPLOYERS!!!

UNEMPLOYED AMERICAN WORKERS NEED THOSE JOBS!!!


AZBERNIE
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 9:57 pm

JOHN DOUGHERTYS' ARTICAL ON NAPOLITANO MADE ME WANT TO PUKE. LAST I HEARD SHE WAS UPSET WITH THE CABLE COMPANIES OVER CHARGING PEOPLE, NOT HOMELAND SECURITY.
SHE DOES NOT SUPPORT CIVIL RIGHTS OR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. I HAVE HAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH HER EIMPLOYEES AT THE AZ STATE BOARD OF NURSING. WHICK I FOUND TO BE VERY DISHONEST. SHE DOES NOT CARE WHAT THIS BOARD DOES ILLEGALLY, DISCRIMINATLY, OR THEIR UNNECESSARY SPENDING. SO HIS ARTICLE IS WAY OFF. AND I AM NOT SURE BUT DOESN'T NAPOLITANO HAVE A HOME IN MEXICO?


AZBERNIE
Comment posted November 25, 2008 @ 10:02 pm

ALSO, WHY DO WE NEED TO SHIP IN WORKERS FROM OTHER COUNTRIES, WHEN WE HAVE AMERICANS OUT OF WORK. THESE COMPANIES WANT THESE MEXICAN WORKERS BECAUSE THEY WILL WORK FOR LESS THE MINIMUM WAGE. THAT IS NOT PRETECTING HUMAN RIGHTS. SHE PROTECTS THE COMPANIES THAT WANT TO PAY SCUM WAGES TO DISPLACED WORKERS. WHY DOESN'T SHE SUGGEST HIGHER MINIMUM WAGES OR BETTER PAY.


Agobbler
Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 3:10 am

It's a done deal. The DREAM act will be passed with a full blanket amnesty to follow. This will be done within the first year of Obama's presidency. Napolitano will have little or no input. Yes, I know I'm a hate filled, fear mongering, right wing wacko, but once this and universal health care is passed you can rest assured that this will be the beginning of the end of this nation. Don't allow yourself to be deluded for a second that the primary reason for amnesty is anything other than to secure a large hispanic voter block that will allow the Democrats to remain in complete control of the country for decades. What most have miscalculated is that they are going to trigger a rebellion. The American people who are against these agendas (and others) simply will no longer tolerate having such total, arrogant , disregard to their voices. We are extremely polarized and approaching the apex of our emotional boiling point. Because Obama, an unstoppable congress, and his cabinet members all share the same leftist beliefs and a very loudly spoken hatred and intolerance of anything conservative, they will bulldoze anything or anyone in their way . And there is still a huge number of citizens whose angered will not be checked. Joining in will be a majority of those who voted Obama and the overwhelmingly Democratic congress in.


Ali
Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 9:12 am

The most “sympathetic” illegal aliens, those with U.S.-citizen relatives, already have routes to legalize IF they make the effort to take them. These routes, in some instances, require returning to the homeland while the U.S. citizen requests a waiver. For others, the illegal alien may adjust status here in the U.S. but needs to wait, file paperwork, and pay fees. For both groups, there is the risk of denial, just as there would have been had they applied to come as legal immigrants. Both groups essentially “go to the back of the line”. So why re-invent the wheel, particularly when there is no way USCIS can handle the processing of these applications at once, no way that full security checks can be done on them quickly or cheaply at one time, and no way that our social services can afford an influx of millions of legalized workers AND THE RELATIVES THEY COULD THEN SPONSOR.


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Ali
Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 9:17 am

“Folks.. Are you completely out of touch with reality? I realize you are working for a “fascist/racist think tank” but come on.. Look at election results.. Your fav Lou Barletta lost. Hate speech and fear wont work.
And what happened with all you Neo cons “moving to Australia if Obama wins?”

Let's see. Barletta, a Republican, campaigning on one issue, ran against a long time incumbent DEMOCRATIC Senator with lots of favors owed him and who pulled in Bill Clinton to campaign for him. Furthermore, the local paper notes,
“Barletta and Kanjorski’s positions on immigration are so similar that their “policy statements, stump speeches and candid responses to reporters' questions have revealed little difference between where Barletta and Kanjorski stand on illegal immigration.” [The Times-Tribune, 11/1/08]


Ali
Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 9:23 am

Golden wrote:”It is your hysterical characterization of illegal aliens as “criminals” that really rubs me the wrong way. For the sake of argument let us discuss those who are now illegal who came to this country on valid visas and then overstayed. At that point they are in the same legal position as those who entered without inspection. If you enter on a visa then overstay, it is not a criminal violation but a civil (administrative) violation. So this leads me to believe that you are focusing on Mexicans and Mexicans only who cross illegally..”

However, obtaining a non immigrant visa that does NOT allow dual intent by attesting to the issuing consulate that you intend to go home is IMMIGRATION FRAUD which is a criminal act. It may be hard to prove, but it IS a felony. Even if the government can't prove it, it doesn't make you any better than those who enter without inspection. In some ways it's worse, because you flat out lied (and probably went to great lengths to do it, given the need to prove your intent to return home) to a U.S. government official.


June
Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 9:23 am

For all those who proclaim that “we cannot deport all illegals,” no one has explained why? Is is a matter of logistics? If so, let's commander all buses, trains, plans, automobiles and any type of transportation necessary – load them aboard and head for the border. No? Then let's issue a nation-wide order: “If you are in our country illegally, you have 30 days to go home. If not, you will do hard time in prison.” Still don't like that? Then make it loud and clear to Mexico and all the other offending countries, that all money, trade, and diplomatic relations are cut off until they recall their citizens or we being bringing them home in C-130s and leaving them on the tarmac. There will be a lot of screaming of human rights, but no nation should have to take the cast-offs of vile and violent counties such as Mexico. We have the law on our side. Go to it. Start the trucks rolling.


Ali
Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 9:28 am

“Were did you ever get the idea that no one is above the law in America? As far as Mexicans go, it would seem that they are moving back to the land that they were robbed of by certain Americans, okey dokey?
reply edit reblog flag “

Would that I were so “robbed”, receiving millions of dollars for land I had never even really settled. (How do you think the Texans got Texas? Because the Mexican government wanted it settled and let in Americans. Other parts of the SW had sparse Mexican settlements. In the beginning, though, the MEXICANS STOLE THE LAND FROM NATIVE AMERICANS, so don't really have a prior claim or a basis for taking the moral high ground.)


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Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 10:35 am

Governor Neapolitano is BAD NEWS for anti-illegal immigrant organizations. She is very involved with the open border zealots, but 80 percent of the American people will keep on fighting illegal alien AMNESTY.

SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO…?

37 million illegal aliens according to the Tucson border patrol. An additional half-million are coming every year.
In 1996 Illegal aliens were then displacing 730,000 American workers a year, so says Rice University.
Taxpayers are supporting parasite businesses that hire illegal foreign nationals. Democrats have underfunded the new border fence.
It is estimated that the cost to supporting illegal aliens is over a $1trillion dollars a year in government handouts.

Read about http://www.judicialwatch.org winning court cases against parasite employers, illegal immigrant groups and corrupt politicians.
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Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 10:36 am

Millions of patriotic Americans are on the alert of any Congressional movement towards so-called Comprehensive Immigration Reform. By any other name–this is AMNESTY OR A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP. A fine (approx $3000.00, learn English and go to the back of the line? We will still have to give them free health care, housing, education and other welfare programs. Now whose going to enforce those rules. They cannot even deport those here already in large numbers? American citizens know the ominous implications of allowing this to happen. It means we will have to share Social Security, Pensions with 37 million illegal aliens squatting in the US., according to the Tucson Border Patrol union

Not only will impoverished illegal foreign nationals be able to tap into the welfare government share-out, we have now? But millions without paying 10 years of working credits, will be able to draw on SSA, SSI, SDI, food stamps and other programs designed for low income citizens. With their legalization they will have the opportunity to bring in their extended family members. Their elders, sick, mentally ill will be able to use our wilting health care system, and receive welfare to survive. This is an outrage to every working American and legal resident. It will lead to more illegal immigrants coming across the border and OVERPOPULATION. Don't believe in the liberal national press, read the truth

The truth is to terminate illegal activity at the workplace with massive fines, confiscation of business assets and long terms in prison for pariah employers. The answer is there–but does our government have the true intention to halt the illegal alien epidemic?

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DaveB1
Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 10:38 am

While I have nothing against Gov. Napolitano personally, I have to state that i believe some of her stated positions are, to use her own words, a “joke” and “not reality-based.” – and I say this for the following reasons.

When she makes a comment such as “show me a 50-foot wall, and I’ll show you a 51-foot ladder.”, for which she means that a fence is useless because people will simply find a way around it, she is in effect stating that we shouldn't try to enforce our borders because there are people who will circumvent the obstacles we place in their path. Well, DUH, of course they will – desparate people will do anything, such as die in the desert to try to get to the U.S.

As well, when she claims that it is unrealistic to deport 12M (actually the number is more than 20M) illegal aliens, she provides no justification for that rationale. One can simply look at the hysteria surrounding even the mere mention of a raid by ICE to see people fleeing into the darkness to avoid deportation to see that coordinated enforcement – at ALL levels – would serve to reduce the numbers of illegal aliens in the U.S.
Also, the mandated use of e-Verify by employers has had an effect on employment opportunities for illegals, and they return to their home country in droves. Just look at the effect that the 'economic downturn' has had.
There are reports from all across the country of entire neighborhoods empty because illegal aliens cannot find work.

Lastly, Comprehensive Immigration Reform (CIR) will NEVER work – in the current format before Congress – because there is no way to enforce any part of it. Asking people who, for the most part, work under the table and use fraudulent identity/SSNs is completely useless. These people barely make enough to support themselves, how do you think they will pay a 'stiff fine' (what is a 'stiff fine' anyway)? As well, discussoin on paying taxes is fruitless – again, by using fraudulent information how can they be made accountable?

So, while many people believe that Governor Napolitano is a good choice for DHS Secretary, I will reserve judgement until such time as she is actually appointed and discovers that 'enforcement first' is the only viable first response.


Bobby
Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 11:54 am

Janet Napolitano, is nothing but a worthless(to American citizens) political HACK. That's all I have to say.


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Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 2:33 pm

her attitude to getting rid of illegal aliens sux


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Comment posted November 26, 2008 @ 3:04 pm

The main thing is to secure our border. I have lost faith in drones and other high-tech solutions. It seems they are only good for lining the pockets of suppliers. What we need is good old-fashioned manpower, such as the National Guard. Until that border is controlled, nothing else does any good. The American people are entitled to our sovereignty. Otherwise we can kiss our country and our way of life goodbye. We cannot take in every impoverished person who wants to come and pay for them as they breed like flies, generation after generation.


fred
Comment posted November 29, 2008 @ 3:35 pm

Real enforcement is the only way to deal with this out of control anti U.S. worker mess! All we need to do is,get a real Government leadership to do their damn jobs for a change!


Dave
Comment posted November 30, 2008 @ 11:04 pm

Bottom line: Napolitano supports amnesty which the American people reject. We will not be foooled again by talk of giving illegals a “pathway” to citizenship (AKA amnesty) as long as they supposedly “pay a fine” and have a “history of paying taxes” etc. This IS amnesty and we have heard this tune before. Furthermore, we do not have to “round up” 12 million illegals. No major anti-illegal immigraton group is talking about that. Rather if our existing laws are enforced and benefits cut off, many if not most illegal aliens will return to their home countries over time. This is the humane and cost -effective way to solve this crisis.

With 10 million Americans out of work, now is NOT the time to be talking about ANY form of amnesty for those who have broken our laws. Do your job and enforce our laws!!


Peggy
Comment posted December 1, 2008 @ 6:58 pm

I'm against giving illegal immigrants carte blanc.
My mother came to America legally in 1951. She carried a green card as well as a work visa.
She loved America and what it stands for, Freedom and Democracy.
The illegal immigrants who are here with good intentions should go through the same process that other immigrants do now, as that of our four fathers.
Securing our Borders with more Border Patrols and patroling our water ways with our Coast Guards would show a clear message to those who may want to cause us harm.
I'am hoping and praying that our two Border Patrol Agents, Ramos and Compean who are currently
serving a eleven and twelve year prison term be released.
While they were protecting our Borders, what clearly looks, in self-defense fired a shot at a Drug Cartell Member by the name of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila in the buttocks. His van had over 700 lbs of drugs that he had smuggled across our Borders. Our appointed U.S. Attorney, Mr. Johnny Sutton, offered and gave amnesty to Mr. Davila, in return for his testimony, by helping convict Agents Ramos and Compean.
Ramos and Compean have already served two years, too many.
They were clearly innocent by self-defense, and should not have been convicted, and be released.
We need to Protect our Borders and our Border Guards who are Patroling them.
Since Ramos and Compeans' Freedom and Democracy was so easily lost.
What does that say for our Freedom and Democracy and our future?


Jodie
Comment posted December 12, 2008 @ 3:47 am

i agree 100%–with every point–how can we get it done?

I have written to my repesentatives and senators again and again and they are still very soft on illegals and they take no position to protect our economy, protect our California state budget (we are bankrupt) to protect our social security anf medicare systems, nor to protect legal workers or the unemployed. How can we open the eyes and hearts of the public who so indifferently re elect them again and again?


Jodie
Comment posted December 12, 2008 @ 5:43 am

“Maybe you need to read up on the Treaty of Hidalgo de Guadalupe and the
Gadsden purchase. Not only did the United States win the territory in war,
we paid for it too–about 30 million dollars, and 340 dollars a square mile
as I recall –that would have to be multiplied by 24 or 25 times to equal
modern dollars (assuming that inflation has not eaten up the dollars) that
amounts to about 750 million dollars–for the land that is alleged to have
been “stolen” from the Mexicans. This was considerably more than was paid
for the Louisiana Purchase and for Fulton's Folly (the purchase of Alaska.)

The money was designated to be paid to the sparse numbers of actual settlers
as compensation for the relocation of those who lived there, but really the
Mexican negotiators really meant the ones who had land grants from the King
of Spain. There were others who lived on the lands too, Indians, half breed
Mexican and Indians, and lower class Mexicans, who were considered “peons”
who worked the land; they were considered as not eligible for citizenship or
for recognition of their status by the ones in power in Mexico, and they
were not compensated, and–that was consistent with the feudal caste system
that existed in that country. Apparently, few people ever saw the
money–but if there is any claim to be made it should probably be made to
General Santa Ana and the others who were the recipients of it. Texas was
a
republic of Mexico but had seceded and was successful in its independence
bid. So, no matter what your position is on illegal immigrants, it should
not include the Mexican distortion of the history of the region. That
distortion is being spread by La Raza whose stated intention is to take back
the US for Mexico.

If anyone has a claim for lands being stolen, maybe the Indians who
originally occupied the lands in question–and there were about a half
million of them–have the best claim, since Mexico's original claim for
California was based on the “discovery” of the Pacific Ocean; the Spanish
king laid claim to all the land washed by the Pacific. This led them to
claims in the Philippines that were successful, but I rather imagine that
the people of Hawaii, Japan, Korea and China, Australia and Micronesia,
etc., might have some other ideas about claims to the land washed by the
Pacific or by the bodies of water that are actually contiguous and wash the
shores of the entire world. In their ignorance they made many claims of
regency that are not sustainable, the one to all of the Pacific shores
being, perhaps, the most egregious. And just a half thought will reveal
that other countries laid claim to the same lands based on equally dubious
and debatable bases. No one in the US stole the houses or land from
Mexicans.”
“““““““““““
BTW–I'd be glad to be sent back to the country from which my grandparents
came–they were native americans. It was clean, quiet, uncrowded and more or
less peaceful then. Not a lot of technology, but we got along rather nicely
nonetheless.


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Comment posted January 3, 2011 @ 3:44 am

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Don’t put all Hispanics in one category as being all illegal and criminals. Ilegal immigration has nothing to do with ethnicity. Thanks for this interesting topic here. I hope you will make some updates regarding this topic.


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