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		<title>By: kgander</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1906/the-man-and-the-machine/comment-page-1#comment-3559</link>
		<dc:creator>kgander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the analysis that Obama has gone along with the Daley machine because of expediency rather than fealty, but you&#039;re leaving a couple of supporting facts.&lt;br&gt;One is that the Daley machine didn&#039;t support his senatorial bid - they had their own man, Dan Hynes.  The other is Obama&#039;s run to take the house seat from Bobby Rush in 2000 - again, the Daleys were not behind Obama.  These are clear signs of independence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama&#039;s endorsement of Daley&#039;s re-election can best be viewed as quid pro quo for their endorsement of his presidential bid.  The truth is it probably wasn&#039;t necessary - the Daley machine is relieved to keep Obama in D.C. where he won&#039;t threaten to their political plans.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW Truman was 60 when he became vice president - if that&#039;s &quot;old and crusty&quot;, what would that make McCain or Nader?  They&#039;ll be 72 and 74, respectively, as of Inauguration Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the analysis that Obama has gone along with the Daley machine because of expediency rather than fealty, but you&#39;re leaving a couple of supporting facts.<br />One is that the Daley machine didn&#39;t support his senatorial bid &#8211; they had their own man, Dan Hynes.  The other is Obama&#39;s run to take the house seat from Bobby Rush in 2000 &#8211; again, the Daleys were not behind Obama.  These are clear signs of independence.</p>
<p>Obama&#39;s endorsement of Daley&#39;s re-election can best be viewed as quid pro quo for their endorsement of his presidential bid.  The truth is it probably wasn&#39;t necessary &#8211; the Daley machine is relieved to keep Obama in D.C. where he won&#39;t threaten to their political plans.</p>
<p>BTW Truman was 60 when he became vice president &#8211; if that&#39;s &quot;old and crusty&quot;, what would that make McCain or Nader?  They&#39;ll be 72 and 74, respectively, as of Inauguration Day.</p>
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		<title>By: kgander</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1906/the-man-and-the-machine/comment-page-1#comment-3561</link>
		<dc:creator>kgander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 00:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the analysis that Obama has gone along with the Daley machine because of expediency rather than fealty, but you&#039;re leaving a couple of supporting facts.&lt;br&gt;One is that the Daley machine didn&#039;t support his senatorial bid - they had their own man, Dan Hynes.  The other is Obama&#039;s run to take the house seat from Bobby Rush in 2000 - again, the Daleys were not behind Obama.  These are clear signs of independence.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama&#039;s endorsement of Daley&#039;s re-election can best be viewed as quid pro quo for their endorsement of his presidential bid.  The truth is it probably wasn&#039;t necessary - the Daley machine is relieved to keep Obama in D.C. where he won&#039;t threaten to their political plans.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW Truman was 60 when he became vice president - if that&#039;s &quot;old and crusty&quot;, what would that make McCain or Nader?  They&#039;ll be 72 and 74, respectively, as of Inauguration Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the analysis that Obama has gone along with the Daley machine because of expediency rather than fealty, but you&#39;re leaving a couple of supporting facts.<br />One is that the Daley machine didn&#39;t support his senatorial bid &#8211; they had their own man, Dan Hynes.  The other is Obama&#39;s run to take the house seat from Bobby Rush in 2000 &#8211; again, the Daleys were not behind Obama.  These are clear signs of independence.</p>
<p>Obama&#39;s endorsement of Daley&#39;s re-election can best be viewed as quid pro quo for their endorsement of his presidential bid.  The truth is it probably wasn&#39;t necessary &#8211; the Daley machine is relieved to keep Obama in D.C. where he won&#39;t threaten to their political plans.</p>
<p>BTW Truman was 60 when he became vice president &#8211; if that&#39;s &quot;old and crusty&quot;, what would that make McCain or Nader?  They&#39;ll be 72 and 74, respectively, as of Inauguration Day.</p>
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		<title>By: mikemidcity</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1906/the-man-and-the-machine/comment-page-1#comment-3557</link>
		<dc:creator>mikemidcity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All politics are locale.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unless you have some real money, as in billions, you come up through the ranks in one way or the other.   Some come up through the unions, some through churches or community organizations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was the same for my Irish/Italian  ancestors who worked the political machines throughout the northeast from Chicago to Boston and New York and every town and city in-between.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So Obama worked with a church backed community organization and made the transition to a locale (state wide) political office as a Illinois State Senator.   State legislatures are the AAA minor leagues for office in Washington D.C.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s take the sports analogy one step future.   Barack Obama is the rare superstar who transcends and changes the game.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He is a capable, intelligent, man of character and diverse background who is able to voice the hopes and dreams of the vast number of Americans of all persuasions who still hold the American dream possible even after the last eight years of fascist government.   There could be no better face to put on the leadership of America to the world then Barack Obama, a man who has never voted for an immoral and unjustified war of preemption, but calls for the unity of people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Condemning Barack Obama for the locale politics in Chicago would be just plain silly.   Every politician in Washington is backed by the locale pols back home.   The same political machines for the most part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All politics are locale.</p>
<p>Unless you have some real money, as in billions, you come up through the ranks in one way or the other.   Some come up through the unions, some through churches or community organizations.</p>
<p>It was the same for my Irish/Italian  ancestors who worked the political machines throughout the northeast from Chicago to Boston and New York and every town and city in-between.</p>
<p>So Obama worked with a church backed community organization and made the transition to a locale (state wide) political office as a Illinois State Senator.   State legislatures are the AAA minor leagues for office in Washington D.C.</p>
<p>Let&#39;s take the sports analogy one step future.   Barack Obama is the rare superstar who transcends and changes the game.</p>
<p>He is a capable, intelligent, man of character and diverse background who is able to voice the hopes and dreams of the vast number of Americans of all persuasions who still hold the American dream possible even after the last eight years of fascist government.   There could be no better face to put on the leadership of America to the world then Barack Obama, a man who has never voted for an immoral and unjustified war of preemption, but calls for the unity of people.</p>
<p>Condemning Barack Obama for the locale politics in Chicago would be just plain silly.   Every politician in Washington is backed by the locale pols back home.   The same political machines for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: mikemidcity</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1906/the-man-and-the-machine/comment-page-1#comment-3560</link>
		<dc:creator>mikemidcity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 10:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All politics are locale.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unless you have some real money, as in billions, you come up through the ranks in one way or the other.   Some come up through the unions, some through churches or community organizations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It was the same for my Irish/Italian  ancestors who worked the political machines throughout the northeast from Chicago to Boston and New York and every town and city in-between.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So Obama worked with a church backed community organization and made the transition to a locale (state wide) political office as a Illinois State Senator.   State legislatures are the AAA minor leagues for office in Washington D.C.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s take the sports analogy one step future.   Barack Obama is the rare superstar who transcends and changes the game.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;He is a capable, intelligent, man of character and diverse background who is able to voice the hopes and dreams of the vast number of Americans of all persuasions who still hold the American dream possible even after the last eight years of fascist government.   There could be no better face to put on the leadership of America to the world then Barack Obama, a man who has never voted for an immoral and unjustified war of preemption, but calls for the unity of people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Condemning Barack Obama for the locale politics in Chicago would be just plain silly.   Every politician in Washington is backed by the locale pols back home.   The same political machines for the most part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All politics are locale.</p>
<p>Unless you have some real money, as in billions, you come up through the ranks in one way or the other.   Some come up through the unions, some through churches or community organizations.</p>
<p>It was the same for my Irish/Italian  ancestors who worked the political machines throughout the northeast from Chicago to Boston and New York and every town and city in-between.</p>
<p>So Obama worked with a church backed community organization and made the transition to a locale (state wide) political office as a Illinois State Senator.   State legislatures are the AAA minor leagues for office in Washington D.C.</p>
<p>Let&#39;s take the sports analogy one step future.   Barack Obama is the rare superstar who transcends and changes the game.</p>
<p>He is a capable, intelligent, man of character and diverse background who is able to voice the hopes and dreams of the vast number of Americans of all persuasions who still hold the American dream possible even after the last eight years of fascist government.   There could be no better face to put on the leadership of America to the world then Barack Obama, a man who has never voted for an immoral and unjustified war of preemption, but calls for the unity of people.</p>
<p>Condemning Barack Obama for the locale politics in Chicago would be just plain silly.   Every politician in Washington is backed by the locale pols back home.   The same political machines for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: annl</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1906/the-man-and-the-machine/comment-page-1#comment-3556</link>
		<dc:creator>annl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my!  It seems Sen. Obama is just a regular pol afterall.  Depending on someone to make the right decision after you&#039;ve given them your vote is indeed a &quot;crapshoot&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my!  It seems Sen. Obama is just a regular pol afterall.  Depending on someone to make the right decision after you&#39;ve given them your vote is indeed a &quot;crapshoot&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: annl</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1906/the-man-and-the-machine/comment-page-1#comment-3558</link>
		<dc:creator>annl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my!  It seems Sen. Obama is just a regular pol afterall.  Depending on someone to make the right decision after you&#039;ve given them your vote is indeed a &quot;crapshoot&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my!  It seems Sen. Obama is just a regular pol afterall.  Depending on someone to make the right decision after you&#39;ve given them your vote is indeed a &quot;crapshoot&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: gilmanc</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1906/the-man-and-the-machine/comment-page-1#comment-3555</link>
		<dc:creator>gilmanc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here here!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Don&#039;t forget bulldozing an airport in the middle of the night in the name of terrorism, when it actually made downtown less safe by doing so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;LET THEM EAT CAKE!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here!</p>
<p>Don&#39;t forget bulldozing an airport in the middle of the night in the name of terrorism, when it actually made downtown less safe by doing so.</p>
<p>LET THEM EAT CAKE!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: kgander</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1906/the-man-and-the-machine/comment-page-1#comment-1710</link>
		<dc:creator>kgander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the analysis that Obama has gone along with the Daley machine because of expediency rather than fealty, but you&#039;re leaving a couple of supporting facts.
One is that the Daley machine didn&#039;t support his senatorial bid - they had their own man, Dan Hynes.  The other is Obama&#039;s run to take the house seat from Bobby Rush in 2000 - again, the Daleys were not behind Obama.  These are clear signs of independence.

Obama&#039;s endorsement of Daley&#039;s re-election can best be viewed as quid pro quo for their endorsement of his presidential bid.  The truth is it probably wasn&#039;t necessary - the Daley machine is relieved to keep Obama in D.C. where he won&#039;t threaten to their political plans.

BTW Truman was 60 when he became vice president - if that&#039;s &quot;old and crusty&quot;, what would that make McCain or Nader?  They&#039;ll be 72 and 74, respectively, as of Inauguration Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the analysis that Obama has gone along with the Daley machine because of expediency rather than fealty, but you&#8217;re leaving a couple of supporting facts.<br />
One is that the Daley machine didn&#8217;t support his senatorial bid &#8211; they had their own man, Dan Hynes.  The other is Obama&#8217;s run to take the house seat from Bobby Rush in 2000 &#8211; again, the Daleys were not behind Obama.  These are clear signs of independence.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s endorsement of Daley&#8217;s re-election can best be viewed as quid pro quo for their endorsement of his presidential bid.  The truth is it probably wasn&#8217;t necessary &#8211; the Daley machine is relieved to keep Obama in D.C. where he won&#8217;t threaten to their political plans.</p>
<p>BTW Truman was 60 when he became vice president &#8211; if that&#8217;s &quot;old and crusty&quot;, what would that make McCain or Nader?  They&#8217;ll be 72 and 74, respectively, as of Inauguration Day.</p>
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		<title>By: mikemidcity</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1906/the-man-and-the-machine/comment-page-1#comment-1711</link>
		<dc:creator>mikemidcity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All politics are locale.

Unless you have some real money, as in billions, you come up through the ranks in one way or the other.   Some come up through the unions, some through churches or community organizations.

It was the same for my Irish/Italian  ancestors who worked the political machines throughout the northeast from Chicago to Boston and New York and every town and city in-between.

So Obama worked with a church backed community organization and made the transition to a locale (state wide) political office as a Illinois State Senator.   State legislatures are the AAA minor leagues for office in Washington D.C.

Let&#039;s take the sports analogy one step future.   Barack Obama is the rare superstar who transcends and changes the game.

He is a capable, intelligent, man of character and diverse background who is able to voice the hopes and dreams of the vast number of Americans of all persuasions who still hold the American dream possible even after the last eight years of fascist government.   There could be no better face to put on the leadership of America to the world then Barack Obama, a man who has never voted for an immoral and unjustified war of preemption, but calls for the unity of people.

Condemning Barack Obama for the locale politics in Chicago would be just plain silly.   Every politician in Washington is backed by the locale pols back home.   The same political machines for the most part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All politics are locale.</p>
<p>Unless you have some real money, as in billions, you come up through the ranks in one way or the other.   Some come up through the unions, some through churches or community organizations.</p>
<p>It was the same for my Irish/Italian  ancestors who worked the political machines throughout the northeast from Chicago to Boston and New York and every town and city in-between.</p>
<p>So Obama worked with a church backed community organization and made the transition to a locale (state wide) political office as a Illinois State Senator.   State legislatures are the AAA minor leagues for office in Washington D.C.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take the sports analogy one step future.   Barack Obama is the rare superstar who transcends and changes the game.</p>
<p>He is a capable, intelligent, man of character and diverse background who is able to voice the hopes and dreams of the vast number of Americans of all persuasions who still hold the American dream possible even after the last eight years of fascist government.   There could be no better face to put on the leadership of America to the world then Barack Obama, a man who has never voted for an immoral and unjustified war of preemption, but calls for the unity of people.</p>
<p>Condemning Barack Obama for the locale politics in Chicago would be just plain silly.   Every politician in Washington is backed by the locale pols back home.   The same political machines for the most part.</p>
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		<title>By: annl</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1906/the-man-and-the-machine/comment-page-1#comment-1712</link>
		<dc:creator>annl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my!  It seems Sen. Obama is just a regular pol afterall.  Depending on someone to make the right decision after you&#039;ve given them your vote is indeed a &quot;crapshoot&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my!  It seems Sen. Obama is just a regular pol afterall.  Depending on someone to make the right decision after you&#8217;ve given them your vote is indeed a &quot;crapshoot&quot;.</p>
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