A Myth of Voter Fraud

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Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 6:00 am

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Earlier this month, Republicans in Ohio lost their lawsuit challenging a state rule that allows voters to register and vote early on the same day. But the state party had no intention of conceding the point. GOP officials demanded records from all 88 county boards of election identifying every person who took advantage of same-day registration and voting. In one county, the Republican district attorney even opened a grand jury investigation.

“He’s investigating people who the law says are allowed to vote,” said Ohio ACLU lawyer Carrie Davis. After it was revealed that the district attorney was also the local chairman of the McCain campaign, he was forced to appoint a special prosecutor to handle the case.

There’s no indication that any of these voters did anything illegal. But the attempt to investigate voters who took advantage of a state rule designed to encourage voter participation exemplifies the kinds of attacks on new voters that are going on across the country.

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Illustration by: Matt Mahurin

Even when the challenges fail, Republican officials persist in their claims of voter fraud in what appears to be an effort to lay the groundwork for challenging the outcome of Election Day. In about a dozen interviews, legal scholars and voting experts say this broad-based attack could lead to serious and continuing challenges to the legitimacy of the next president.

“[Republicans are] trying to do what they can to poison the well on the eve of the election because they’re not winning on the issues,” contends Charles Lichtman, statewide lead counsel for the Florida Democratic Party. The party, like the Obama campaign, is assembling a team of volunteer lawyers to take on unwarranted challenges and obstruction to voters on Election Day. “They know there are more Democrats registered than Republicans,” said Lichtman, “so they’re calling out fraud where it didn’t occur.”

For months now, Republicans have been claiming that voter fraud is rampant and that government officials aren’t sufficiently cracking down. Democrats insist that voter fraud is practically nonexistent –- the real problem is intimidation and harassment of voters at the polls, they say.

Voting-rights experts tend to agree with the Democrats. A study by the Brennan Center for Justice, for example, found that, “It’s more likely that an individual will be struck by lightning than that he will impersonate another voter at the polls.”

Another study, by Barnard College political scientist Lori Minnite, similarly concluded that voter fraud is “extremely rare.” The Brennan Center also showed that the sort of strict rules advocated by Republicans in Wisconsin, Ohio and elsewhere would disenfranchise thousands of people -– usually the poor, elderly and minorities.

Even the most rigorous studies, however, haven’t made the issue any less of a political football. Republicans like Cleta Mitchell, an election lawyer who chairs the Republican National Lawyers Assn., says such experts are just part of “the professional vote-fraud deniers industry,” insisting that voting fraud exists even if it’s nearly impossible to prove.

“If you just deny it,” Mitchell said, “then that means that anyone who wants to take any steps to protect the integrity of the process can only be doing that because they’re a racist.”

In fact, even official Justice Dept. policy had acknowledged until recently that individual voter fraud has “only a minimal impact on the integrity of the voting process” and therefore usually wasn’t worth trying to prosecute. Then last year, the Bush administration changed that to allow individual prosecutors to pursue such cases at their discretion.

When some U.S. attorneys refused because of a lack of evidence, several were fired, contributing to the scandal that ultimately forced the resignation of Atty. Gen. Alberto Gonzales. Since then, Democrats have become even more vigilant in fighting back against claims of voter fraud.

In many states — including Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin and Oregon — Republican officials have insisted that states square new voters’ registration information with that in other state databases, such as motor vehicle or Social Security. While such matching is required by the Help America Vote Act of 2002, Republicans in swing states are insisting that the match be exact as a condition to vote.

Some of these “no-match, no-vote” states allow voters whose registration doesn’t match to fill out a provisional ballot, but they must provide matching verification information to election officials within 48 hours or their votes won’t count. In close swing states, which votes are counted could make all the difference to the outcome.

In Ohio, for example, Republicans sued Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner to make matching a condition of voting. In response, she argued that adopting such a rule could get some 200,000 Ohio voters kicked off the rolls. The problem is not that they’re ineligible, for the most part. It’s that the information doesn’t match because voters have changed their names or because state workers have made clerical errors.

Attorney General Michael Mukasey (WDCpix)

Attorney General Michael Mukasey (WDCpix)

Earlier this month, the U.S. Supreme Court sided with Brunner. Ruling on procedural grounds, it found that the state GOP likely didn’t have the right under federal law to challenge the Ohio law’s application. So Ohio Republicans are taking their fight elsewhere. Last week, they sent a letter to U.S. Atty. Gen. Michael Mukasey asking him to force Ohio to require matching under federal law.

And on Friday, President George W. Bush himself got involved, asking Mukasey to investigate the status of the 200,000 non-matching Ohio voters.

The Republican attorney general in Wisconsin brought a similar challenge against his state’s elections board, but it failed last week. (The attorney general plans to appeal the decision.) A Dane County judge ruled that, “Nothing in state or federal law requires that there be a data match as a condition on the right to vote.” A matching requirement, the elections board had found, could have disenfranchised more than 20 percent of Wisconsin’s registered voters.

Republicans have lost most of their legal challenges claiming states aren’t adequately protecting against voter fraud. But legal experts worry that the steady barrage of legal attacks in battleground states is part of a broader effort to lay the groundwork for undermining the legitimacy of the outcome of the presidential election. That could further fuel the anger of the Republican base against the Democratic candidate — and possibly the next president.

“If it’s close, and if, in the grand scheme of things, Ohio would make a difference in the Electoral College or the finally tally, all these aspersions could come into play in challenging those results,” said Davis, the Ohio ACLU attorney. Either party could bring a legal challenge questioning the validity of provisional or absentee ballots.

While experts say it’s rare to see the sort of scenario that occurred in Florida in 2000, where the outcome of the presidential election hinged on a few hundred votes in one state, the increased focus on voter problems and recent changes in voting laws means litigation over the outcome remains a real possibility.

“Besides Florida, you’d have to go back to the 19th century in the United States to get to an election that was that close,” said Daniel Tokaji, a law professor at Ohio State University and an expert in election law. “Then again, in 2004 we weren’t that far away — there were about 100,000 votes in Ohio on which the outcome depended. If we’d had a second litigated election in 2004, it would have been like lightning striking twice. So it could happen again.”

Because of the close elections and revelations of voting problems in 2000 and 2004, said Tokaji, “we’ve got people paying much closer attention to the mechanics of elections.” Also, “there are a lot of changes in the law. That always leads to more litigation, because there are issues of how those laws should be interpreted and applied.”

Even if the election weren’t close enough to merit legal challenges, many Democrats worry that the GOP claims of voter fraud are a preemptive attempt to undermine the legitimacy of a Barack Obama presidency.

“It’s a desperate attempt to unfairly flavor and throw something out there and take people away from the real issues,” said Lichtman of the Florida Democratic Party. Florida’s voter registration rules, which require all voter registration information to match the state databases, have been the subject of ongoing litigation.

The History of Voter Fraud

Claims of voter fraud before an election are nothing new, of course. For centuries, strict-voter registration rules have been applied to limit access to voting, often targeting the poor and minority citizens.

“We’ve seen it throughout American history,” said Tokaji. “In the 19th century, claims of fraud were made to exclude immigrants, ethnic minorities and laborers. And throughout most of the 20th century, the disenfranchisement of African-Americans in the South was done through voter-registration requirements that local officials claimed were to prevent voter fraud.”

More recently, Republicans have been claiming widespread voter fraud to tighten requirements on who can vote. “They’re trying to use the so-called epidemic of voter fraud to justify voter ID laws,” said Gerald Hebert, a senior elections official at the Justice Dept. from 1973-1994 and who is executive director of the Campaign Legal Center, a nonpartisan organization focusing on election reform.

That’s how Indiana came to pass its voter-identification law. When that law was challenged, the Supreme Court acknowledged there was no evidence of voter fraud in Indiana. Still, the court upheld, by a vote of 6 to 3, the state’s requirement that voters present a state-issued photo identification card before casting a ballot, finding that it did not impose an unjustified burden on the poor, minorities or others less likely to have such a photo ID

Associate law professor Michael Pitts at Indiana University studied the effects of the new law. He found the votes of 80 percent of Indiana residents forced to fill out a provisional ballot because they didn’t have the required I.D. card were never counted.

The ACORN Controversy

Recent revelations that some workers from the Assn. of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or ACORN, have turned in fraudulent registration forms has fanned the flames of this dispute, leading to calls for more voter-identification laws, as well as no-match, no-vote requirements.

But Republicans’ claims against ACORN have gone further. Legislators and party officials have used the false registrations to claim that ACORN is engaging in an effort to steal the election for the Democratic Party. Investigations of fraudulent activity are going on in at least 10 states, and the Justice Dept. has reportedly begun an investigation of ACORN, a community-organizing group that advocates on behalf of low-income families, following requests from numerous Republicans.

Sen. John Cornyn (R-Tex.), for example, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, wrote to Mukasey earlier this month, urging him to investigate ACORN as a “criminal enterprise.”

The Obama campaign and former Dept. of Justice lawyers involved in voting-rights issues say such an investigation before the election might intimidate legitimate voters and violate Justice Dept. policy.

ACORN has repeatedly explained that when its workers submitted false registrations, the fraud was against ACORN, not against voters or the elections process. That’s because the duplicate or made-up registration forms were mostly turned in by workers who ACORN paid to sign up voters in their neighborhoods.

That some of those workers copied names out of the phone book, or listed their favorite cartoon characters, doesn’t mean those people are going to show up to vote. But it does mean that ACORN didn’t get it’s money’s worth. The group checks all submitted registration forms and flags for local election officials those that are suspect. In most states, it’s still required by law to turn all forms in.

“The overwhelming evidence is that fraudulent voter registrations do not lead to fraudulent voting,” said Wendy Weiser, a deputy director specializing in voting rights at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice. “It’s a big resource drain on election officials, but it doesn’t affect the outcome.”

That hasn’t stopped the allegations. Sen. John McCain’s claim in the last debate that ACORN is potentially committing “one of the greatest frauds of voter history in this country, maybe destroying the fabric of democracy” has helped set the stage for broad claims of a stolen election after Nov. 4.

McCain’s remarks were followed by violence. Within days, two ACORN offices were vandalized, and one organizer received a death threat. People for the American Way reports that ACORN offices have received a barrage of racist and threatening voicemails and emails.

ACORN’s own exaggerations about its effectiveness in registering voters haven’t helped. Last Thursday, the group admitted it had vastly overstated the number of legitimate new voters it registered this year, acknowledging that about 30 percent of the 1.3 million new voters it had claimed credit for were either duplicates or not real.

Though some percentage of erroneous applications is expected, both the large number of registered voters and the colorful news stories — about how characters like Mickey Mouse have registered, for example — encouraged Republicans to keep hammering away at charges that the liberal-leaning group, which advocates on behalf of low-income Americans expected to favor Sen. Barack Obama, is planning to steal the presidential election for Democrats.

Given the latest polls, it probably wouldn’t need to. But election lawyers worry that the problems of voter registration by groups like ACORN provide an easy way for Republicans to later claim, if Obama wins, that he’s not the legitimate president.

“It does seem like there is an attempt to cast the specter of voter fraud over this election,” said Hebert. “Like there’s an attempt to get people all riled up in the base of the Republican Party, to say, ‘We’re not going to let people steal our election.’”

Comments

194 Comments

greenpaz
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 10:19 am

This is why people need to come out en masse and vote for Obama. If he wins by a big enough percentage, none of these Republican shenanigans will have any traction. And Obama can then send Mukasey out to pasture, where he belongs.


dan
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 10:22 am

Ya can't steal it if it ain't close.


jc
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 10:33 am

“For months now, Republicans have been claiming that voter fraud is rampant”
WTF?? No one was voting “for months” so what are they talking about. You can not have voter fraud if no one has voted. But you have hired guns in NM scaring Hispanic voters, you have people coming to doors and voters giving them their absentee ballots and the ballots are not be counted.
The GOP is always trying to disenfranchise someone. How many votes were not counted in Florida in 2000??? Curtescy of the GOP?
Typical kids, it is ok as long as they are the ones winning but let the other guy be winning and all of a sudden they want to change the rules……………..
Screw the GOP, I hope they get every flippin thing they deserve this time around.


charles h mississippi
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 10:37 am

If the Republicans pull any schenanigans like they did in 2000, and this frauduently propels (Him and Her) into the White House, i fear this country will see a backlash greater than my worst imaginations.

I say – Federalize the registration process.
Issue a voter registration card.
Provide ample assistance to anyone who can't do that in person by sending government representatives to them.

Jail and Fine heavily anyone convicted of Registration or Voter Fraud.

The sad part of this is – Obama is going to win by such large numbers, why donk around with all this b.s.


b. miller
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 10:39 am

Well of course they are. Please also read “Drinking the Acorn Koolaide” and pass it along:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-…


KIMBER
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 10:39 am

Go vote, NOW! I've been phone banking for the Obama campaign, and that's the main message they are trying to get out.
The more people who get their vote in early, the less opportunity there will be to rig the election, and of course we know they are going to try.
Every single person who has the opportunity to go vote before election day needs to go do it – forget about tradition or how you like to do it – this is urgent because if you encounter problems, you still have time to address them. Also, you can avoid problems that will arise in the election day crunch.
The only way to keep the election from being stolen is to have landslide numbers, and get them as soon as possible, so go do it now. Every single vote matters.


infopro
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 10:39 am

“Ya can't steal it if it ain't close.”

The heck you *can't*. -laugh-


Jesus Hussein
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 10:40 am

It says alot about the republics respect for our democratic way of voting. Instead of making sure everyone who is qualified is able to vote, the gop prefer to toss out as many voters as they can because all republics strategist know this is a fact and it is undisputed….If all registered democrats and all registered republics vote enmasse no republic would ever hold office. Ask any republic operative or strategist. Dems outnumber repubs and by osmosis Dems win everytime win Dems vote. In fact Karl Rove once said on Fox News in 06 that it only takes 72% of registered Dems to beat 100% of registered republics. Gotta be true if Karl Rove says it is..after all Fox thinks he's a genuis and who would argue against Fox and a genuis? I won't!


coliwabl
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 10:47 am

What a bunch of BS. The Republican party and their mouth pieces have well proven that they will say and do anything to get what they want. They and their limited thinking base know that the picnic is over. One of the more frustrating things about this thing is that they don't seem to care about America. Their slogan should be “Me First.”

With all the damage their leadership is responsible for during the Bush-Cheney tenure, to the country and the world, all the Republican and conservative fruitloops can manage to do is nurture hate, war, greed and religeous self righteousness, all in the name of “God.”

I'm sure that if there is a place for them in the afterlife, it won't be heaven.


dunder hoof
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 11:43 am

The repuglican party is toast. Let them go down hating, resenting and agitating for all the worst parts of our natures. Let them burn in hell, where they belong. Scum bags.


Sarah Lertzman
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 1:04 pm

greenpaz, Good point. If enough of us get out there and vote we can say what we want without being deligitimized. I cannot believe more are not discussing this. How ugly can human beings be?


SlaveSon
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 1:19 pm

Maybe that rage makes a good story for some news networks or opportunistic strategist , but I tend to agree with John Lewis when it comes to, class or racially based accusations of ineligible voting occurring in the states especially being a southerner. I think that George Bush and the GOP strategists like Carl Rove who concieved of this executive electioneering tactic of demonizing liberals, underminding constitutional protections, replacing Justices, and marketing cynicism to the disaffected in order to steal elections from the Nation if poor people ever decided to stand up and be heard, didn't forsee the (repressed) hostile sentiment that they would incite if an African American happened to win the Democratic nomination. Sen. Obama's nomination changed the dynamics of the “Southern Strategy”. While the tactical fesibility of their strategy from the campaign level remains unchanged, the affect of the message on disaffected and cynical rural white working class Americans particularly in the south could not be quantified in terms of race relations, while the country was under the impression that HRC was destined to win the nod, when she lost and Obama won the tactics were already initiated and the McCain campaign could only stick it out and see how the cards would lay, maybe they could win by making the tax and spend liberal case, or the social conservatism case, good idea but McCain was considered a “Rino” in 2000 and Hagee, and Dobson had issues with the “Secular” McCain until he won the primary, and was all that was left to leave open Washington's doors the the Christian Conservative Right. Sarah Palin invigorated the base back into the McCain camp, and then, “BOOM!” 777 the number of points the DOW fell in one day, the credit markets froze altogether just one whole week after McCain's infamous quote “the fundamentals of our economy are sound” 401K's dropped 40%, George Bush laid out a 3 page 700 Billion dollar bailout package, and McCain goes to Washington to hasten the socialization of all corporate debt on Wall Street with the people's tax money, after all his financial advisor Phil Graham partially was responsible for the the repeal of Glass Steagall with the “Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000″ and pulling the proverbial finger out of the regulatory dam restraining rampant corporate greed and investment fraud by utilizing the tax-payer backed Freddie and Fannie mortagage securities as leverage in taking unrationale risks with investor capital. So McCain, a Republican once called a Rino, without full support from the Conservative Christian Right and a chief economic advisor, Phil Graham who is somewhat responsible for deregulating the safeguards that may have protected the nation from this crisis, and who also called the country a “Nation of Whinners” is left with few options, demonize his opponent and cry foul at the media, the polling data, the registration process and voter fraud, in short win in the court of public opinion or in court like George W. Bush, but this brings us to what is occurring currently across the nation in Red states during Mccain/ Palin rallies, now that the chips are down for the GOP we hear “Pals around with Terrorist, Want's to kill babies, He's a Marxist, He's a socialist, He works with Acorn, he doesn't love America like you, He doesn't share your values, he is the anti-christ, he isn't a partriot like you and I”

Its called the Lucifer Effect, which is similar to what occurred in Nazi Germany and proceeded the holocaust, demonize you opponent to rally the troops, talk up the values that “good” people everywhere share, defined your opponent as the “other”, talk up the current difficulties that the nation currently faces, and finally cast your opponent as a threat to everything that you love and, and a continuation of the hard times that you currently face, and “presto” there you have Lucifer the terrible for everyone to pin their fears and failures to the ultimate scapgoat the the perfect projection screen for all that you wrong in the world.

Southerners murdered African Americans during the early part of the century up until the 1980 murder of Micheal Donaldson because they felt they were doing their Patriotic duty in much the same way that Hezbollah, and the Mahdi army consider their terrorism as their patriotic or spiritual duty, Ashley Todd could have sparked a national incident, Obama has recieved 3 publicized death threats, Obama canvassers have been beaten and attacked in truth, a Preacher and Obama supporter in Alabama woke to find his Obama sign replaced with a curning confederate flag, in a Cumberland FL early voting location McCain supporters stood across the street harassing and yelling epithats as the voters as they waited in line, the police Chief just said that they were alright , that is intimidation plain and simple. McCain/ Palin rally videos are all over the Web with supporters calling for murder decapitation, and violence, now ,is every supporter going to riot and intimidate others, absolutely not, but this isn't 1910, these records will survive into posterity and document what a wonderful nation we have become since 40 years ago, when MLK first ventured to share him dreams for the country with the Country .


bigmikecraft
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 5:47 pm

This is a great article. All news people must band together to get public spirited lawyers to go to court now and get an order to show cause to stop any organization from contesting voter registration or obstructing ones right to vote. This obstruction falls under the RICO Laws 18 us 1955 especially the broad #228-Knowledge Enterprise. Any Federal Judge so motioned has the authority to order in the MarshallsService to protect voter rights and to arrest any one interfering with such rights. I could do it now but do not have the proper lawyers. We can not allow this to become a banana republic, and that is where this is going. Do not let this illegal situation continue. Both sides are to blame but the voting machines are produced by pro-right wing corporations and I am surprised that no knows that a tiny chip can be installed that will only activate under a Presidential voting directive word order! I ask you all to re-publish this until the last minute! Sincerely bigmikecraft (bigmikecraft.newsvine.com/) Thanx


shack95
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 6:19 pm

The democrats need to pushback on the subject. It's not voter fraud but voter theft. For the previous 3 presidential elections, voter ballot disappearance, intentional mass mailings of vote on the 5th, faulty touch screens that always fall towards the (R) candidate. These intentional tipping of the scales are performed by the Republicans. Push back and dont let them pass the “bad” apple excuse because they are blaming the Democrats for everything a few bad apples did inside Acorn.


MsMike
Comment posted October 28, 2008 @ 8:19 pm

If you are worried about the election being “stolen” or about your vote being counted, here are some things you can do:
If you are a registered voter, don't let anyone or anything stop you from voting or stop your vote from counting! Before you vote, look at a sample ballot for your area, and read this story: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/myra-armstrong/ea…. Call the hotline number 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683) for advice before you go to vote or for help if you are turned away or have a problem at your election location. When you go to vote, take good ID, your cell phone, note paper & pencil. Write down and carry the hotline phone # with you.

Check your Ballot very carefully before you finish voting to be sure that you actually have selected the desired candidates.

If you ask for help from election officials, be polite. If you call the hotline number for help, give complete information and be patient.


James Lee
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 7:37 am

I believe that we should treat people who try to obstruct the vote the same way we would treat a terrorist trying to bring down a plane.

There should me no holds barred on people who try to obstruct democracy in the name of technicalities. These are old tricks used in the Jim Crow South. People who do such things should be so afraid of the consequences that they decide it is better to move on to other pursuits.


Ohg Rea Tone
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 7:41 am

McCain is desperate. When McCain chose Palin as his running mate he defined everything that is wron with the Republican Party and America. …………..

http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/29/obamas-be…


General Lee
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 7:58 am

“Even when the challenges fail, Republican officials persist in their claims of voter fraud in what appears to be an effort to lay the groundwork for challenging the outcome of Election Day”

Looks like this could be what Colin Powell was alluding to for 20th/21st Jan.

> Democrats win by a sweeping magin.
> Republicans claim massive voter fraud.
> Bush decalres election null and void.
> Riots ensue as the people declare Obama president.
> Bush invokes martial law.

It would certainly explain why hundreds of FEMA internment camps have been built around the US (despite claims they were there “in case the Mexicans invade”!), why National Guard units have had all but sidearms taken away by the regular army (and the reason that 'there's going to be a party this winter and you're not invited').

It would also explain why US Army basic combat training is being held this year (for the first time in many years) on US soil, rather than in a foreign war zone (eg Iraq/Afghanistan).

Boy is that a whole mess of conspiracy theories coming together!


Mary J
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 7:58 am

Guess What !! There were very legitimate allegations of voter fraud 8 years ago here in Florida. the Bush Administration served for eight years due to fraud and manipulation. We did not, as Democrats, revolt and march on Washington.. We just GOT OVER IT> sad isn't it that the very people who cheated in the last two general elections are now “the pot calling the kettle black..” Hopefully, the landslide will over come the whole ridiculous allegations by the Republicans … Voter fraud indeed. huh..


jay bonner
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 8:01 am

It seems to me that the removal of otherwise fully eligible people from the roll of registered voters can be seen to go against the first principle of our legal system: innocence until proven guilt.

If voter fraud is taking place, then go after the criminals after Election Day.

If the Republicans are successful with their voter suppression tactics, could they as either individuals or as state parties be sued in a class-action lawsuit?


Sampson3
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 8:08 am

It's what I've been saying all along. It has happened in previous elections too. It's what the republican operatives do. Anyone who hasn't figured this out already is just slow.


Nuria
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 8:15 am

Our country and it's people have had it's most basic rights taken away with this administration. Now they want to steal this election out from under the people yet again! Congratulations W. you got your wish, your the DICTATOR!


Emma
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 8:33 am

“ACORN’s own exaggerations about its effectiveness in registering voters haven’t helped. Last Thursday, the group admitted it had vastly overstated the number of legitimate new voters it registered this year, acknowledging that about 30 percent of the 1.3 million new voters it had claimed credit for were either duplicates or not real.” —

This is false. The New York Times story was wrong. Here is ACORN's reply to the NY Times: http://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2008/10/24-6


UPSET!
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 8:59 am

This is really so darn mean of the GOP. They are bad winners -for they stole already at least 2 elections- and now they turn out to be even worse loosers! I want to scream about these disgusting lies they put out and they are NOT CALLED OUT TO STOP BY MOST OF THE MEDIA!
Obama has to change some items within the media landscape for sure! About 5 people are the owners of ALL the US media! That means THEY make politics for a big part!

The only way to counter this is Obama winning in a huge landslide. Vote and make your neighbours, family, friends vote….!!! (And control the vote too in case of a “switching” machine!)

OBAMA/BIDEN 2008 A N D 2012


Now Really....
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:00 am

Come on. What are the possibilities that Micky Mouse will show up to vote? Zero


UPSET!
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:03 am

Yes, you are absolutely RIGHT!


Liberty Belle
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:08 am

If the voter registration and voting process is so fundamentally insecure (as the GOP asserts, when it is challenging the process and alleging widespread voter fraud) — why does that not cast into equal doubt the marginal victories of GOP candidates? If Democrats are alleged to be perpetrating such voter fraud, how is it that the GOP has won so many elections by a hair?

If such voter fraud IS a reality, the likelihood is that the GOP commits it equally often if not more often, given that GOP candidates have ended up in office on such slim margins, and that there are more registered Democrats than Republicans. The GOP is so very conscious of potential holes in the system — who's to say they're not exploiting them to secure those razor-thin margins in the last two presidential elections?

Think about it.


Lee
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:10 am

Ok lets be real for a minute. Bush cannot declare anything about the election. Only the Court and Congress can do anything about the election.

1) Congress has to certify the presidential election results– this occurs after the new Congress has been seated. So CONGRESS will determine what election results are legit in a joint session.
Even if the Supreme Court tries to intervene – Congress must still certify the results. Dems should have larger majorities after November 4th.

2) George Bush declaring Martial law– whose going to listen to THAT idiot. Not only would there be revolt of the people – Governors, Mayors, and others would revolt against these orders.

3) People would revolt –like nationwide strikes and the economy would tank. Bush would be driven from office and the Speaker of the House would be made temporary president until the dispute is settled. Constitutionally Bush is no longer president after Jan 20th (I believe) He will have no Constitutional Power to order the Armed Forces to do anything


McSame
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:14 am

hahahah the Republicans are scared to death, its not just about loosing, they have been
trying to assassinate Obama's presidential run along with the entire Conservative media, what
kind of future do they think they have with 8 probable years of all democrat control, especially
if the Dems actually FIx the problems we have now, they will be irrelevant and mocked.
No wonder Hannity is soo scared.


texasand
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:21 am

Are you paying attention, Iraq? The democracy we are imposing on you to embrace works like THIS!


John Meshna
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:22 am

This is incredibly sad. Republicans have become a party of liars and filthy rich elitists who would do anything to keep their grip on power. In the end, they destroy our democracy, while people all over the world suffer in poverty and hopelessness, all the while republicans are claiming they do what they do for us.
Guess I'll say, “Thanks but no thanks to their pious attempts to save me from voter fraud!”


bobdevo
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:37 am

Wrong. Bush can declare anything he wants. He can order the Armed Forces or National Guard to do whatever he says. WIll the military stand up to him?? Even if the Supeme Court orders him to do something . . . what power do they have to enforce their order? The US Marshall's against the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team ??


Gary in Phoenix
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:40 am

Greater than the Republicans want to admit. An Infospace people search returns thirty four “Mickey Mouse” people. Further, the results for “Donald Duck” numbers thirty seven.

Just because someone has a name associated with a cartoon character doesn't mean that they don't exist.


ComputerExpert
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:45 am

2000 – Supreme court illegally discounts Gore recount votes even though constitution dictates election should go to the house and senate

2004 – No paper trail voting machines in Ohio and Florida record Republican more votes than voters in some counties

2008 – “vote fraud” ethnic cleansing attempts to either overturn a democratic victory or make the president seem illegitimate


dfronds
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 9:50 am

I'm starting to believe that the Republicans are really the anti American party that they have been accusing the democrats of being. Between not feeling that the laws of this nation apply to them, i.e. Bush's signing statements, illegal wire tapping, usng the justice department for political purposes, not answering congressional suopenas, torture and this trash that has happened every election, they don't have a very honorable past. No wonder that new voters are overwhelmingly going Democratic. It seems to me that there's just not that much about the Republican Party that appeals to anyone who is not a racist.


CA_Guy
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 10:01 am

Reading this story makes me feel like I live in a third-world dictatorship. How depressing.


RWE
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 10:05 am

Since when is verifying qualifications stealing? When of course it challenges the annointed one….In 2000 the US Supremes merely told the FLA supremes they were wrong..No legit media ever gave Gore a victory…ACORN along with its community activist lawyers are along with Barney Frank and Chris dodd responsible for the mortgage crises with their perverse racist affirmative action antics forcing banks to loan to any and all… SHEESH , the liberal/socialist mantra is horrifying.


Soppy
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 10:07 am

He sg=houldnt have to win in a landslide just to level the bias playing filed the GOP are intent on building.

They are a disgrace to democracy – and they are all supposedly Christians…………… What would Jesus think?

Of course – they don't give a flying rats about Jesus -or you – or anyone – just power- It is etched all over McCain and Palin's face


John Haltiwanger
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 10:13 am

I am so mad at the Democrats for ignoring the issue of voter suppression not only in 2000 but again in 2004. The fact that the Republicans can even breath the words “Democrats” and “voter fraud” in the same sentence is because the party has totally failed to be aggressive against the suppression that gave Bush his presidential terms.

It is their fault that the Republicans can weave this ridiculous narrative at all. And of course those of us crying voter suppression for EIGHT YEARS were considered “sore losers” and “conspiracy theorists.” ARGH!


duane Nordstrom
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 10:19 am

To Obama,
I want ethics back in government. I also want the whole Bush administration held responsible for their criminal activies along with this illegal war. why was there no accounting of the 8 billion dollars that just disappeared in Iraq. Why was Halibertion not investigated?
God bless president Obama.


James
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 10:35 am

I think we should let the International Inspectors that like they had, overseeing Zimbabwe's election to be part of the process. The stakes are too high and Republicans will be tempted to do the wrong thing. Remember Bush 2nd was a court appointed President back in 2000…..where FL votes were trashed on bogus technicality grounds…where they didn't have time to re-count the votes. This whole fiasco was engineered by local politicians in FL. Remember this is one of the tools they expertly use as part of a wining strategy.


Reddy
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 11:04 am

I agree; The US should have internationl observers – to avoid another fiasco like in 2000.


Dave
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 11:18 am

It makes me sick, what a bunch of liers the Republican Party has become!


Lori
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 11:25 am

I for one don't believe that we should stand for another election to be stolen by the Republicans's voter suppression tactics. If we have to have another country oversee our elections process, so be it. Then I think we should demand that fair election laws be put into place so that this type of travesty doesn't happen again. Maybe we should do what other countries do–everyone is automatically registered to vote at 18 and required to vote in elections.


gail
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 11:31 am

sometimes I wish the Dems were as adamant as the GOP… then we would have had a president Gore and a President Kerry.
I'm all for international inspectors ~ I would like to KNOW that our vote is legitimate. Plus, this is all leading to a fanatical right-wing movement… and we all know how irate and hateful those people are already ~ are we ready to stand up for President Obama? We need to get ready to protect him and his good intentions that will lead this country out of the crapper we are currently in, because it will take some time.


TNThorpe
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 11:50 am

If you're Republican, democracy only when works when the right people vote, and they'll be happy to let you know if you're not a member of the club.

Dizzzgusting


ScottPruden
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 11:51 am

'No legit media ever gave Gore a victory', NO. Typical GOP amnesia. Most of the major media outlets called it for Gore as well as a guy named George W. Bush! It wasn't until the wee hours of the next morning that Florida looked tied and the GOP stole the election. 50,000 legal, registered voters wiped off the voter rolls by Jeb Bush, Thousands of elderly Jewish voters casting votes for Holocaust denier Pat Buchanan by the butterfly ballots… Any of that ring a bell?


ScottPruden
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 11:53 am

Why can't we go with the purple thumb ink? That'd be cool. The GOP wouldn't have anything to whine about!


Hillary Bell
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 11:55 am

Even if someone's name is Mickey Mouse, what are the chances of this person having the matching address and other information of the fake person on the registration form?

What are the chances of that person showing up in California, say if they actually live in Georgia to vote in the same county, in the same precinct that the fake Mickey Mouse registered in?

Lastly, why would the real Mickey Mouse risk a year in jail in order to commit voter fraud, when they have an opportunity to vote in their own county at their own precinct?


Antona
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 12:10 pm

This is one of the reasons my later father called the Republican Party mean-spirited. Without a doubt, their efforts to disenfranchise, intimidate, and misinform has been near-criminal. They are power-hungry and choose to often racist methods because they know they can not hold up to a full and fair election. I hate the way they have misappropriated the Christian faith and have even used the pulpit to bully congregants to voting Republican or else be deemed “doomed to hell.” This is why it repulses me to know that even those of my race have taken up the mantra of their propoganda.


Stupid Limbaugh Lovers
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 12:23 pm

ACORN is responsible for the mortgage crisis?!?!?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What's horrifying RWE, is the fact that delusional morons like yourself acutally believe this total bullshit. I can't wait to see you go crawling back to your Klan meeting with your tail between your legs on November 5.


Bill
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 5:41 pm

You're a bunch of slaves.


WORDVARC
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 7:36 pm

VOTE!


Bll Melater
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 8:48 pm

“If you just deny it,” Mitchell said, “then that means that anyone who wants to take any steps to protect the integrity of the process can only be doing that because they’re a racist.”

Actually, it means you are Republican and you are trying to minimize the voter turnout as that will benefit your party. It also means you are a low-down scum sucker and you should be in jail for attempting to interfere with the vote.

Federal prosecutors, do your duty!


LAThinker
Comment posted October 29, 2008 @ 10:22 pm

It is the end game
The only solution to those problems is getting out the vote.
Spread the word

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Maureen
Comment posted October 30, 2008 @ 12:59 am

I am so sad. If you cannot have faith in your democracy and that your vote truely counts how can you have confidence in your President and your parliament. When you know the election was fair and honest you get behind the elected person and all work for your country. Everyone I speak to in Australia hopes that Barack Obama becomes the next President of your wonderful country. We are also so fed up with the world crisises and just want some peace. On a small note: Now that the Taliban and the governments in Afganistan are to talk peace, does that mean Obama was right in wanting to talk.


David Blackburn
Comment posted November 2, 2008 @ 8:32 pm

With record turnout and long lines, exactly how would Republicans expect someone to vote more than once?


MarciL
Comment posted November 3, 2008 @ 12:37 am

“It does seem like there is an attempt to cast the specter of voter fraud over this election,” said Hebert. “Like there’s an attempt to get people all riled up in the base of the Republican Party, to say, ‘We’re not going to let people steal our election.’”

They're accusing the Democrats of what they, themselves, did in 2000 and 2004. They STOLE the election.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334…


JC Tripp
Comment posted November 3, 2008 @ 6:41 am

Write to the lawyers, let them know we won't stand for another stolen election! If you do write don't use hate language and use sent it using BCC.

Here are some e-mails to get you started, you can find them yourself at
http://www.rnla.org/bio/Leadership.asp

Cleta Mitchell:
cmitchell@foley.com

rwiley@wileyrein.com, Boggs@BlankRome.com, Brigida.Benitez@wilmerhale.com, cbell@bmhlaw.com, nfo@republicanlawyer.net, rbarth@erols.com, chalmers@fsblegal.com, loontjer@republicanlawyer.net, rhorn@pattonboggs.com, edwin.meese@heritage.org, mandjbergman@gmail.com, neal.berinhout@att.com, esberke@berkelawdc.com

Here are all of the e-mails for RNC Ohio by County:

info@ohiogop.org, mreid@co.greene.oh.us, brownlaw2@firewireinternet.com, maggien@hc-gop.org, kmiller963@aol.com, rradway@gmail.com, jwenner@verizon.net, davidgrahn@adelphia.net, llf@bright.net, carr_30@hotmail.com, robhovis@earthlink.net, dkniffin@verizon.net, acm1976@hotmail.com, b.wilson5@netzero.net, lpetros@columbus.rr.com, chairman@lakegop.com, Dan@hayesoffices.com, dnknight@loganrec.com, chairman@loraincountygop.org, grkeyser@roadrunner.com, b9236@aol.com, smithtedsm@aol.com, ruddtim2@aol.com, ganddphillips@verizon.net, dwjohnson@summitville.com, radiatorservice@roadrunner.com, blackvp@bright.net, sbackiel@cuyahogacountygop.org, cpike3@woh.rr.com, twp@tpsslaw.com, tmorgan15@ohiohealth.com, mathewold@yahoo.com, sdavis@cbjlawers.com, rpalmer@ameritech.net, doug@franklincountygop.org, lkrjw@embarqmail.com, republicans@allencountyohiogop.com, wyork@bright.net, acrexchair@ashlandcountyrepublicans.com, jwpikor@ncweb.com, pgcouladis@hotmail.com, chairman@belmontgop.com, hallp1@nationwide.com, contact@butlercountygop.org


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