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		<title>By: Jose C Davda</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1403/the-berkeley-tempest/comment-page-1#comment-18079</link>
		<dc:creator>Jose C Davda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>your blog is really great! 903</description>
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		<title>By: Nakia J Bryden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nakia J Bryden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 12:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great article!, grats for u site :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great article!, grats for u site <img src='http://washingtonindependent.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: danton1956</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Yoo advised the direct violation of American and International law based on reasoning that he must have known was spurious. It is a clear violation of an attorney&#039;s duty to recommend violation of the law. However, if this is not bad enough, there is considerable evidence that torture was already being performed and he was justifying it after the fact. This is not an issue of academic freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Yoo advised the direct violation of American and International law based on reasoning that he must have known was spurious. It is a clear violation of an attorney&#39;s duty to recommend violation of the law. However, if this is not bad enough, there is considerable evidence that torture was already being performed and he was justifying it after the fact. This is not an issue of academic freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: danton1956</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1403/the-berkeley-tempest/comment-page-1#comment-3223</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Yoo advised the direct violation of American and International law based on reasoning that he must have known was spurious. It is a clear violation of an attorney&#039;s duty to recommend violation of the law. However, if this is not bad enough, there is considerable evidence that torture was already being performed and he was justifying it after the fact. This is not an issue of academic freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Yoo advised the direct violation of American and International law based on reasoning that he must have known was spurious. It is a clear violation of an attorney&#39;s duty to recommend violation of the law. However, if this is not bad enough, there is considerable evidence that torture was already being performed and he was justifying it after the fact. This is not an issue of academic freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: bradroth</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1403/the-berkeley-tempest/comment-page-1#comment-3220</link>
		<dc:creator>bradroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been beating the drum about Yoo&#039;s memos for four years, but not for the purpose of getting him ousted from his faculty position, let alone putting him in prison.  I agree that the memos themselves do not present an issue of academic freedom, and I think that Yoo should face bar sanctions for passing off envelope-pushing advocacy (appropriate to a brief defending a client&#039;s past conduct) as objective legal analysis (appropriate to advice to a client about future conduct).  But in my assessment, he is not a criminal unless he consciously furnished a distorted analysis for the purpose of allowing torturers subsequently to assert good-faith reliance on what he knew to be bad legal advice.  I do not believe that Yoo did that; I find it fully credible that he believed in what he wrote.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;        While many of Yoo&#039;s legal arguments were thoroughly lacking in merit, almost all were grounded in some superficially plausible legal proposition.  Moreover, the &quot;forward-leaning&quot; nature of the memos, while inconsistent with canons of professional responsibility, was driven by genuine and weighty (if badly misconceived) policy considerations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;        Many of Yoo&#039;s critics seem to assume, given the intensity of their belief that torture is morally wrong, that the illegality of harsh interrogation techniques must be clear beyond cavil. (Failing that, they seem to demand that lawyers push the envelope in the opposite way, so as to impute criminality to what is morally condemned.)  The law, while not really obscure, is more complicated and filled with qualifications than many commentators think.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;        And it has only become more so, precisely because the country is itself conflicted on the question.  Ironically, the memo snippet that sticks in the minds of most people is the &quot;organ failure&quot; standard, but Congress actually ended up adopting that standard in its 2006 amendment to the War Crimes Act (contained in the Military Commissions Act).  And even the supposedly scrupled John McCain voted, not only for the MCA, but also to uphold the President&#039;s veto of the bill barring CIA use of enhanced interrogation methods.  So, unless we want to undertake a sweeping lustration of American public institutions generally, we should get a grip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been beating the drum about Yoo&#39;s memos for four years, but not for the purpose of getting him ousted from his faculty position, let alone putting him in prison.  I agree that the memos themselves do not present an issue of academic freedom, and I think that Yoo should face bar sanctions for passing off envelope-pushing advocacy (appropriate to a brief defending a client&#39;s past conduct) as objective legal analysis (appropriate to advice to a client about future conduct).  But in my assessment, he is not a criminal unless he consciously furnished a distorted analysis for the purpose of allowing torturers subsequently to assert good-faith reliance on what he knew to be bad legal advice.  I do not believe that Yoo did that; I find it fully credible that he believed in what he wrote.</p>
<p>        While many of Yoo&#39;s legal arguments were thoroughly lacking in merit, almost all were grounded in some superficially plausible legal proposition.  Moreover, the &#8220;forward-leaning&#8221; nature of the memos, while inconsistent with canons of professional responsibility, was driven by genuine and weighty (if badly misconceived) policy considerations.</p>
<p>        Many of Yoo&#39;s critics seem to assume, given the intensity of their belief that torture is morally wrong, that the illegality of harsh interrogation techniques must be clear beyond cavil. (Failing that, they seem to demand that lawyers push the envelope in the opposite way, so as to impute criminality to what is morally condemned.)  The law, while not really obscure, is more complicated and filled with qualifications than many commentators think.</p>
<p>        And it has only become more so, precisely because the country is itself conflicted on the question.  Ironically, the memo snippet that sticks in the minds of most people is the &#8220;organ failure&#8221; standard, but Congress actually ended up adopting that standard in its 2006 amendment to the War Crimes Act (contained in the Military Commissions Act).  And even the supposedly scrupled John McCain voted, not only for the MCA, but also to uphold the President&#39;s veto of the bill barring CIA use of enhanced interrogation methods.  So, unless we want to undertake a sweeping lustration of American public institutions generally, we should get a grip.</p>
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		<title>By: bradroth</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1403/the-berkeley-tempest/comment-page-1#comment-3221</link>
		<dc:creator>bradroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been beating the drum about Yoo&#039;s memos for four years, but not for the purpose of getting him ousted from his faculty position, let alone putting him in prison.  I agree that the memos themselves do not present an issue of academic freedom, and I think that Yoo should face bar sanctions for passing off envelope-pushing advocacy (appropriate to a brief defending a client&#039;s past conduct) as objective legal analysis (appropriate to advice to a client about future conduct).  But in my assessment, he is not a criminal unless he consciously furnished a distorted analysis for the purpose of allowing torturers subsequently to assert good-faith reliance on what he knew to be bad legal advice.  I do not believe that Yoo did that; I find it fully credible that he believed in what he wrote.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;        While many of Yoo&#039;s legal arguments were thoroughly lacking in merit, almost all were grounded in some superficially plausible legal proposition.  Moreover, the &quot;forward-leaning&quot; nature of the memos, while inconsistent with canons of professional responsibility, was driven by genuine and weighty (if badly misconceived) policy considerations.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;        Many of Yoo&#039;s critics seem to assume, given the intensity of their belief that torture is morally wrong, that the illegality of harsh interrogation techniques must be clear beyond cavil. (Failing that, they seem to demand that lawyers push the envelope in the opposite way, so as to impute criminality to what is morally condemned.)  The law, while not really obscure, is more complicated and filled with qualifications than many commentators think.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;        And it has only become more so, precisely because the country is itself conflicted on the question.  Ironically, the memo snippet that sticks in the minds of most people is the &quot;organ failure&quot; standard, but Congress actually ended up adopting that standard in its 2006 amendment to the War Crimes Act (contained in the Military Commissions Act).  And even the supposedly scrupled John McCain voted, not only for the MCA, but also to uphold the President&#039;s veto of the bill barring CIA use of enhanced interrogation methods.  So, unless we want to undertake a sweeping lustration of American public institutions generally, we should get a grip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been beating the drum about Yoo&#39;s memos for four years, but not for the purpose of getting him ousted from his faculty position, let alone putting him in prison.  I agree that the memos themselves do not present an issue of academic freedom, and I think that Yoo should face bar sanctions for passing off envelope-pushing advocacy (appropriate to a brief defending a client&#39;s past conduct) as objective legal analysis (appropriate to advice to a client about future conduct).  But in my assessment, he is not a criminal unless he consciously furnished a distorted analysis for the purpose of allowing torturers subsequently to assert good-faith reliance on what he knew to be bad legal advice.  I do not believe that Yoo did that; I find it fully credible that he believed in what he wrote.</p>
<p>        While many of Yoo&#39;s legal arguments were thoroughly lacking in merit, almost all were grounded in some superficially plausible legal proposition.  Moreover, the &#8220;forward-leaning&#8221; nature of the memos, while inconsistent with canons of professional responsibility, was driven by genuine and weighty (if badly misconceived) policy considerations.</p>
<p>        Many of Yoo&#39;s critics seem to assume, given the intensity of their belief that torture is morally wrong, that the illegality of harsh interrogation techniques must be clear beyond cavil. (Failing that, they seem to demand that lawyers push the envelope in the opposite way, so as to impute criminality to what is morally condemned.)  The law, while not really obscure, is more complicated and filled with qualifications than many commentators think.</p>
<p>        And it has only become more so, precisely because the country is itself conflicted on the question.  Ironically, the memo snippet that sticks in the minds of most people is the &#8220;organ failure&#8221; standard, but Congress actually ended up adopting that standard in its 2006 amendment to the War Crimes Act (contained in the Military Commissions Act).  And even the supposedly scrupled John McCain voted, not only for the MCA, but also to uphold the President&#39;s veto of the bill barring CIA use of enhanced interrogation methods.  So, unless we want to undertake a sweeping lustration of American public institutions generally, we should get a grip.</p>
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		<title>By: ufred</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1403/the-berkeley-tempest/comment-page-1#comment-3219</link>
		<dc:creator>ufred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 16:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong is not the same as bad. DeLong has a way to go to back his contention. What are his reasons? Or he as zealous as the fool he condemns?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong is not the same as bad. DeLong has a way to go to back his contention. What are his reasons? Or he as zealous as the fool he condemns?</p>
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		<title>By: danton1956</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1403/the-berkeley-tempest/comment-page-1#comment-1166</link>
		<dc:creator>danton1956</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Yoo advised the direct violation of American and International law based on reasoning that he must have known was spurious. It is a clear violation of an attorney&#039;s duty to recommend violation of the law. However, if this is not bad enough, there is considerable evidence that torture was already being performed and he was justifying it after the fact. This is not an issue of academic freedom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Yoo advised the direct violation of American and International law based on reasoning that he must have known was spurious. It is a clear violation of an attorney&#8217;s duty to recommend violation of the law. However, if this is not bad enough, there is considerable evidence that torture was already being performed and he was justifying it after the fact. This is not an issue of academic freedom.</p>
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		<title>By: bradroth</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1403/the-berkeley-tempest/comment-page-1#comment-1167</link>
		<dc:creator>bradroth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been beating the drum about Yoo&#039;s memos for four years, but not for the purpose of getting him ousted from his faculty position, let alone putting him in prison.  I agree that the memos themselves do not present an issue of academic freedom, and I think that Yoo should face bar sanctions for passing off envelope-pushing advocacy (appropriate to a brief defending a client&#039;s past conduct) as objective legal analysis (appropriate to advice to a client about future conduct).  But in my assessment, he is not a criminal unless he consciously furnished a distorted analysis for the purpose of allowing torturers subsequently to assert good-faith reliance on what he knew to be bad legal advice.  I do not believe that Yoo did that; I find it fully credible that he believed in what he wrote.

        While many of Yoo&#039;s legal arguments were thoroughly lacking in merit, almost all were grounded in some superficially plausible legal proposition.  Moreover, the &quot;forward-leaning&quot; nature of the memos, while inconsistent with canons of professional responsibility, was driven by genuine and weighty (if badly misconceived) policy considerations.

        Many of Yoo&#039;s critics seem to assume, given the intensity of their belief that torture is morally wrong, that the illegality of harsh interrogation techniques must be clear beyond cavil. (Failing that, they seem to demand that lawyers push the envelope in the opposite way, so as to impute criminality to what is morally condemned.)  The law, while not really obscure, is more complicated and filled with qualifications than many commentators think.

        And it has only become more so, precisely because the country is itself conflicted on the question.  Ironically, the memo snippet that sticks in the minds of most people is the &quot;organ failure&quot; standard, but Congress actually ended up adopting that standard in its 2006 amendment to the War Crimes Act (contained in the Military Commissions Act).  And even the supposedly scrupled John McCain voted, not only for the MCA, but also to uphold the President&#039;s veto of the bill barring CIA use of enhanced interrogation methods.  So, unless we want to undertake a sweeping lustration of American public institutions generally, we should get a grip.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been beating the drum about Yoo&#8217;s memos for four years, but not for the purpose of getting him ousted from his faculty position, let alone putting him in prison.  I agree that the memos themselves do not present an issue of academic freedom, and I think that Yoo should face bar sanctions for passing off envelope-pushing advocacy (appropriate to a brief defending a client&#8217;s past conduct) as objective legal analysis (appropriate to advice to a client about future conduct).  But in my assessment, he is not a criminal unless he consciously furnished a distorted analysis for the purpose of allowing torturers subsequently to assert good-faith reliance on what he knew to be bad legal advice.  I do not believe that Yoo did that; I find it fully credible that he believed in what he wrote.</p>
<p>        While many of Yoo&#8217;s legal arguments were thoroughly lacking in merit, almost all were grounded in some superficially plausible legal proposition.  Moreover, the &#8220;forward-leaning&#8221; nature of the memos, while inconsistent with canons of professional responsibility, was driven by genuine and weighty (if badly misconceived) policy considerations.</p>
<p>        Many of Yoo&#8217;s critics seem to assume, given the intensity of their belief that torture is morally wrong, that the illegality of harsh interrogation techniques must be clear beyond cavil. (Failing that, they seem to demand that lawyers push the envelope in the opposite way, so as to impute criminality to what is morally condemned.)  The law, while not really obscure, is more complicated and filled with qualifications than many commentators think.</p>
<p>        And it has only become more so, precisely because the country is itself conflicted on the question.  Ironically, the memo snippet that sticks in the minds of most people is the &#8220;organ failure&#8221; standard, but Congress actually ended up adopting that standard in its 2006 amendment to the War Crimes Act (contained in the Military Commissions Act).  And even the supposedly scrupled John McCain voted, not only for the MCA, but also to uphold the President&#8217;s veto of the bill barring CIA use of enhanced interrogation methods.  So, unless we want to undertake a sweeping lustration of American public institutions generally, we should get a grip.</p>
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		<title>By: ufred</title>
		<link>http://washingtonindependent.com/1403/the-berkeley-tempest/comment-page-1#comment-1168</link>
		<dc:creator>ufred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong is not the same as bad. DeLong has a way to go to back his contention. What are his reasons? Or he as zealous as the fool he condemns?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong is not the same as bad. DeLong has a way to go to back his contention. What are his reasons? Or he as zealous as the fool he condemns?</p>
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