ACORN Raid Reflects GOP Anger at Voter Registration Drive

ACORN is a completely fradulent organization. Cut their tax-exempt status now!!

ACORN is a front for a democratic attempt to bring in anyone they can to vote their cause, legal or not, people who care or not, whatever they can get. Don't be confused and think they care about you personally-they just want your vote. Rich people who believe Darwin's theory and survival of the fitest must be taught in schools–and don't expect them to spend their own money to help the poor and helpless, like we found out from Joe Biden and his meager charitable contributions. The fact is they use taxpayer money to buy votes, the ideology they claim is Republican.

So why don't the Democrats raid Liberty and other Republican offices? I am OUTRAGED after teh REAL voter fraud under Jeb Bush in Florida where 10's of thousands did not get ehir vote counted. Republicans are such sore losers and are not gentleman at all –they are like the bad characters in a disney film.

I think Senator Obama would agree that these registrations need to be in order. After all, that's pretty much how he won the Democratic ticket slot for state senate back in the day, by proving irregularities in the signature gathering process. Even one illegitimate registration is unacceptable. How dare we go to other countries to oversee their electoral process when ours is in disarray? I think it is high time we all get voter registration ID's.

Although it is likely that the complaint is solely due to the actions of a single individual, the harm created by the raid will be widespread. By seizing the computer hard drives and office documents it will make all of their office voter registration records unavailable to ACORN. What if there were new voter registration records in some of those boxes – registrations must be turned in within 72 hours in some jurisdictions, like California. So, some registrations may not be turned in while the authorities study what to do with the 20 boxes of “evidence”. Similarly, there was undoubtedly critical information about who their volunteers were and where, when, and who they registered in the data that was removed. I hope that ACORN is running to court to get immediate return of their materials and that they are also strongly considering a civil rights action against those responsible for interfering with their Constitutionally protected election-related activities.

Do you know what the word validity means. Duplicate more than one. Go back to school and figure out what English words mean. I wonder how many fraud voters
ACORN has actually registered. Maybe the fake voters can go get a toxic loan to boot. Groups like this make Chicago proud of its electoral history. Let's see the phone records to the 1.3 million new voters.

Daphne, aren't you a bit one-sided? If ACORN admits to making-up names to avoid canvassing then there is fraud, It has nothing to do with GOP anger or allegations from the opposite camp.

Cut their tax exempt status now. How many other frauds are out there. How many illegals are voting t his year ..?Interesting.

Amen,
If you cant or wont get a voter id card you are probably not informed enough to vote.

Republicans know that suppressing the vote works in their favor. What kind of political party in a democracy would suppress the vote? scary, ain't it? Anyone who continues to support this traitorous party ought to be run out of town tarred and feathered….

Now Daphne, what makes you such an expert at reading minds to make these kinds of accusations? How do you know that the ACORN Raid is not about identifying voter fraud, which has been very widespread in the voter registration drive aimed at the homeless, and the poor? This has been proved. Do you want fraud in our election, really? Is that the American way?

Republicans = NAZIs… Corporate fascist thugs. Shut them down.

You really are a morally corrupt idiot. ACORN has been cited all over the country for the same crimes.

I believe the question becomes … who wants to vote for a candidate who is apparently relying on felon and irresponsible homeless people votes to win an election???

Think about it, dolt.

This article seemed to deteriorate from facts to opinion rather abruptly. Everybody should be concerned about Voter fraud, it accumulates.
Where is the GOP connection to this raid? The article's author made the allegation but failed to substantiate it.
Voter fraud, especially those committed by ACORN, has lead to the cemeteries emptying out every election day and the zombies voting (in alphabetical order) in IL, MI, and LA – should AZ join that trend? Why has this author shown no outrage over that; but seems to shill instead for the DNC?

Acorn is NOT tax-exempt so “cut” all you want

ACORN is NOT tax-exempt.

Voted fraud is a myth. There is no proof, and never has been, that dead people are casting votes. It's another GOP boogeyman that “rears its head” every election when they are desperate. Count on it.

Just becuase the author doesn't do his job investigating, does not mean that Republcian are not behind this. They are.

Daphne is nothing but a shill for the criminals running ACORN and the whole crooked Dummycrat Party.

Fraud is fraud no matter if you can't take the heat.

Only the drive-by media, like yourself, would call this “aggressive Republican attempts to derail voter registration efforts among poor and minority voters”. ACORN has increasingly been in legal trouble in multiple states for signing up the dead and homeless. Leave it to you to try to put a spin on this. Journalism should be based on facts and only the facts, not conjecture and opinion.

The author is oh so typical of the low IQ, corrupt left.

Any efforts to ferret out fraud and corruption is described as persecution. … “Woe is me”!

Bottom Line: Democrats need convicted felons, irresponsible homeless folks, non tax payers and low IQ government subsidy mooches voting en masse to have a chance of winning any election.

Carry this to the logical conclusion … do we want these bottom feeder panderers on office??

Methinks NOT!

It's not who votes that count, it's who counts the votes—-Stalin.

We can get to the moon and beyond, with a computer compatable to an IBM 286 (remember?) but cannot lock in a system (likes the banks) that detects tampering. I am confident that the slip o f paper I get from the ATM is accurate to the penny for my deposit, withdrawal and balance of my account. Why can't we use such a 'controlled' system for voting? That's right, give all voters a credit card for voting….by the time the fixers figure out how to manipulate that system, the count will be over and the next president can take office knowing he won rather than ripped off the public.

And ACORN is under indictment in 14 states at least….not exactly for holding dinners

So according to your opinion, it's OK for an ACORN worker to deliberately fill in false names to “avoid having to work in the heat outside.”

It's also OK to contribute to voter fraud since “…the numbers of illegitimate registrations [are] found tiny in comparison to the 1.3 million valid new registrations…”.

It's also OK because no one has “…presented any evidence that these duplicate or false registrations have any impact whatsoever on the validity of the vote.”

Are you out of your mind? I assume the dog ate your homework, too. You are missing the key words in your article: DUPLICATE, FALSE, ILLEGITIMATE.

It seems people like you are always willing to bypass rules and regulations with the “no harm, no foul” defense. And of course you have to throw in the “poor and minority voters” angle. Very touching.

Here we go again. Liberal media spinning the news. Acorn is a mafia type organization that uses intimidation to further its cause which is mainly electing Democrats and getting loans for those that cannot afford them. In the past they have sent thugs out to the homes of bank officials questioning them why loans were turned down.

What is wrong with you people? This is a huge red flag being waved in your face that our freedoms are on the verge of being totally eroded. ACORN is trying to bring people into the political process, there is nothing wrong with that. I can see making a case for revoking tax exempt status but raiding their office? This is clearly way over the line.

The more you read about the Republicans thirst for power and abuses when they have it(captured in a whole string of “bestsellers” over the last six years), the more it appears that Hitler was their role model. Fortunately, there have been a handful of them with consciences who have bravely stood up to their disdain for the law, and have afforded us insight . I hope that the dems are pursuing voter fraud on the part of Republicans, because I believe the Rovians have demonstrated they'll do anything to keep power.

Acorn is a radical far left wing of the ? what party?and is the brain child of Saul Alinsky ( what was his party again/). devoted to the old Chicago principle of vote early and often!! ” the numbers of illegitimate registrations found tiny” How do you know and why is that acceptable?? Remember JFK won Chicago and therefore Illinois and the presidency ” by a few votes”

Imagine that! Republicans wrenching up the democratic process? Oh No!! The great disenfranchisers who hate our Constitution so much are the only ones entitled to vote…it says so somewhere, I'm sure. They are so dumbed down by the Great God Reagan that they want senile songbirds running the show, even after their last showing!
I say we take the vote away from the Republicans-they don't deserve the privelege. Send 'em off to somewhere like Mars, with a bottle of O2 to fight over. And anyone else who thinks they can mess with our Constitution.
I am disinclined to believe anything a republican says. Proven liars, nearly all. You party apparatchiks will always be sheep, doing whatever the TV and your party-liners tell you. I don't want anymore of your lies and disregard for law and fact. Go live in China, or Nigeria, of Darfur. Maybe three or four generations down the line you'll figure out just how precious the popular voice really is.

“the Nevada GOP, nor anyone else, has presented any evidence that these duplicate or false registrations have any impact whatsoever on the validity of the vote.” Typical liberal b.s. no harm no foul, however there is a foul and a rather large one. Acorn, a left wing surrogate of Hussain Obama, is at the top of our economic crisis. They forced lending institiutions to give low-income and minority home loans to folks who can't afford to pay them back. These groups exist for the sole purpose of socialism and it's a shame your too blinded by the Obama light to see that!

After reading numerous articles about this ACORN from both sides it is clear that they are a radical group and very prejudice and it's a good thing that they are bringing this to light and finally doing something about it. I'd rather see my tax money go to this raid then bailing out the crooks on wall street but we can't win them all I guess……

Why is this a Republican thing? It's a law issue! At least for anyone with respect for the law, and I already know that doesn't include ACORN. In my opinion there are a lot of ACORN workers, and especially managers, who ought to be in jail. It's a law thing guys! Period! Doesn't make any difference what political party's involved… I's a law thing…

Yeah… I guess we just ignore the fact that voter registration fraud is a felony.

It will be a great day for America when BOTH sides wake up and realize, this party thing should be abolished!!!

scum always rises to the top and the republicans are floating again!

So if I read this correctly 300 of 80,000 registrations were in error, or 3.75 out of every 1,000. Which is far less than 1 in 100. This is not enough to make a statistically significant impact, were all used to perpetrate fraud. By no means am I condoning fraud. And I'm willing to bet my left testicle that most of the erroneous cards were not active attempts at fraud.

And for one minute let's be realistic on the impact that this *could* have if left undiscovered, and fully exploited, only the tightest of races could *possibly* see an impact. Given the very liberal leanings of ACORN, and the very conservative leanings of Nevada, I think we're safe from what abuses could take place there. . . The GOPs raid is motivated out of spite, nothing more. . .

The Democrats count on votes from the poor and stupid in order to get into office. The get them registered and promise them that it is in their best interest to vote Democrat because they will raise the taxes on the people out there who have actual jobs and who take care of themselves and don't count on the government for assistance. Then, with that tax money, the Democrats can institute more social programs to help out the people who don't want to help themselves and just sit back on their lazy asses and keep popping out babies in order to get more assistance. It's a viscious cycle and it will get worse and worse if Democrats are allowed to have their way. Maybe the Democrats can put an ammendment through to have the name of the country officially changed to the USSA (United Socialist States of America). And then they can replace “God Bless America” with Reverend Wright's favorite saying, “God Damn America”. Enjoy your government run healthcare system, they do so well with running everything else.

I agree with Clint. They break the law and get away with it. Nice roll models. Sort of like investment bankers?

Dear Ms. Eviatar: You are obviously a biased editorialized pseudo-journalist. Just because you think that the alleged fraud committed will not (or would not) effect the outcome of elections is patently false and wrong. Why don't you report on the Who, What, Why, Where, When, and How, these allegations may or may not be true and let the readers decide if they mean anything to the election. Go back to school and learn some objectivity.

we also know that doesn't include the president, vice president, or any of the Repub nat'l committee. In case you don't recall Thomas paine, G. Washington and Abey Baby were all “fringe radicals” who didn't fit with the admin's ideas.
You lot cry foul over this, but allow your usurper leader to murder tens of thousands of people, lie to the nation, bankrupt us all, and then go so far as to start stealing our homes. You say the dems forced this? Where have you been the last 10 years, pal?

since when is being homeless a cause of disenfranchisement in America? Aren't they citizens too?

This country is stupid, why don,t we do what Irag did on their election , fingerprint when you vote, that way you would have to bring the finger of the dead ones , also by fingerprinting it can be a federal crime and easy to prove of cheating.

Jeez, talk about liberal bias in the media. Does this news source have any credibility? Not after this statement: “neither the Nevada GOP, nor anyone else, has presented any evidence that these duplicate or false registrations have any impact whatsoever on the validity of the vote.” Does it ever cease to amaze the intelligent, the stupidity of the human animal or does one have to remind the worthless journalist of the mantra from the last election “any errors should force a recount”. What a total idiot. I dont think even the Huffington Post would write something this stupid.

Republicans are getting desperate. They see the handwriting on the wall.

and why don't you demand the same bar of honesty from GWB?Rove/Cheney et al that youdid from Clinton? He lied about sex. This bunch have looted the entire nation, and your lot still defend them. If anyone needs to go back to school, my friend…it is people like you who know and care nothing for history!

Daphne, I can see why you would defend ACORN, after all Obama used to be their lawyer. He's funded them through the foundations and nonprofits that he's led and as a Senator he earmarked funds for ACORN. So what if they've committed a “little” fraud, right? It's all justified if Obama gets elected. During this election, I've watched the Dems lose any ability to ever hold a moral high ground on anything. What am I thinking? Dems and morals….. that's an oxymoron.

For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed of my country.

Nonsense- Acorn is the problem wherever they go- Fraud it seems is expected. The old Democrat machine adage is to 'vote early and vote often'. Poor requirements for ID and walla you can ID them 2-3 times . throw them on a bus and go place. Give them their stipend and deliver themback onto the street.

you use the term “republicans” so loosly i wish you would actually point out which republican groups have been “attacking” ACORN, thanks for the un bias story !!!

I second that, this country is going down the tubes. The people who love their country are being pushed aside by those who would rather look good to other countries and change the fundamentals that this country was built on. The Founding Fathers would be ashamed.

I don't really understand how “Republicans” are getting desperate when it's the State Police that's done the raid, not the RNC???

Yes, and since many of those that are being newly registered by the Democrats cannot read the handwriting on the wall, or read anything for that matter, I will translate it for them: “this country is going down the drain”.

Your comment:
As I noted in my post yesterday, Republicans have been aggressively attacking ACORN for alleged voter fraud, and using any false or erroneous registrations submitted by the group to claim there’s a problem of widespread voter fraud that’s tainting the elections.

But not only are the numbers of illegitimate registrations found tiny in comparison to the 1.3 million valid new registrations the group has signed up, but neither the Nevada GOP, nor anyone else, has presented any evidence that these duplicate or false registrations have any impact whatsoever on the validity of the vote.

1. If any fraud is found on either side of the fence, it needs to be investigated and thoroughly.
2. To ask whether fraudulent registrations have any effect on the vote is beyond credulity. What kind of credibility can a person who waves aside fraud by stating it won't have any effect? If it wouldn't have any effect, then fraudulent registrations likely wouldn't happen.

Welcome to Politics 101. If you have a larger group made up of radical or reactionary sub-groups, liken the larger group to the extremist subgroups! Democrats and Republicans practice this sophistry daily. Is it any real surprise that the masses parrot this manner of speaking?

How “we” stop demanding that the “uneducated” from “the other side” know “our side” as intimately as “we do.” How about when there are clear indications as to the subgroup responsible, “we” educate those “uneducated masses who are clearly confused” and define which aspects of the Republican Party are likely the target of the attack, as opposed to just abdicating responsibility to those we know haven't the knowledge? Nahh. . .. that would be sensible.

Ah yes, “the poor and the stupid”, the lazy, the great unwashed masses always bother people like Ryan who thinks that poverty never ever could happen to him. Well, Ryan, you're not paying attention. You haul out every stereotype you can think of to slander those less fortunate than yourself, assuming that you will never ever find yourself in the same boat. But take a good look around; poverty is happening to a great many people who never expected to be poor …five million newly poor were created during George Bush's first term, and the final count for the last four years could be even higher, given how the economy is going. Yes, Ryan, you too could lose your job and not be able to find another. You too could suffer a devastating illness that could bankrupt you, even if you have health insurance.

American capitalism seems to require a permanent underclass, people who live on the margins, who will always be viewed with contempt and suspicion, just to keep the working classes slaving away to provide plenty of profit for those at the top. But in most cases, the only difference between you and someone on welfare is a pink slip. And there are plenty more of those on the way.

…and the Republicans count on $$$ from corporations to scare social conservatives in order to get into office (gays, guns, and abortion–oh, my!). The fact is, I see my hard-working neighbors falling through the cracks, which have only grown larger under Bush/McCain.

Don't try and bring reason and facts into this argument, you will only confuse the liberals.

i am embarassed my kids have to see this stuff. IS THIS WHAT WE TEACH? It is shameful for me to admit I have allowed this to happen in America. If some people break the law, regardless of the impact, it is a crime. Can I steal your car if you have two of them? What BS!

Nice bias Daphne,
Next time try not to be so obvious. You loose credibility that way.

“But not only are the numbers of illegitimate registrations found tiny in comparison to the 1.3 million valid new registrations the group has signed up, but neither the Nevada GOP, nor anyone else, has presented any evidence that these duplicate or false registrations have any impact whatsoever on the validity of the vote”

I get it, as long as you are the only one breaking the law among law abiders, and it's not showing up as having an effect then it's justified..Nice logic sweetheart

It's a shame to waste your fiction writing prowess on this article… You have a great future as an author of fantasy books for children…

Doesn't the exact same thing happen when the Dems are behind? I seem to remember the last 2 elections democrats scrambling to determine if every vote was counted properly – how to count a hanging chad, etc. If a party thinks they are in trouble, they pursue every angle. Don't limit this to the GOP this year – it happens EVERY close election.

Why should fraud, on any level, be tolerated? Isn't ONE illegally cast vote infringing on our fundamental pursuit of freedom?

Fraud requires intent. That is, ACORN needs to knowingly and purposefully act with intent to deceive. Just looking at the numbers, there is no way ACORN intentionally submitted false forms. “The state officials claimed that workers . . . had submitted almost 300 voter registration cards that included names and addresses that don’t exist in Nevada, or are duplicates of previous registrations.” Out of 80,000 forms, this is a tiny, tiny percentage. In fact, this means the state has NO problem, whatsoever, with 99.625% of their forms. You don't get such high levels of accuracy by anything but striving for high levels of accuracy. The fact that one worker was a lazy bum and slipped through the cracks does not mean the entire organization was trying to submit fake registration cards.

Hey butterworthless, I'd like to elevate this argument by just saying, Shut yer pie hole!

ACORN has long been affiliated with 'indictments' for VOTER FRAUD. BUT THEN they had that HARVARD ace-legal beagle BARACH'irreparably-dishonest'OBAMA as their attorney-teacher-mentor!!! ACORN was listed in the forst failed BAIL-OUT BILL as one of the beneficiaries of all that DEMBHOLE PORK!!! WHAT'S A LITTLE VOTER FRAUD TO ACORN??? WE HAD FREDDIE-MAC + FANNIE-MAE TURNED INTO A 'MINORITY SLUSH-FUND' FOR LOANS THAT HELPED RUINED OUR BANKING FINANCIAL SYSTEM – SO WHAT'S WRONG WITH A LITTLE VOTE FRAUD??? Help OUR MINORITIES – TEACH 'EM HOW TO 'STEAL' ELECTIONS WITH ACORN!!! Ha.

…thanks to the last eight years of Bush/McCain.

Thank you Mr. Socialist for your diatribe. It was basically a bunch of BS, but sounded very eloquent. If something happens, I will have to live with fewer luxuries than I currently enjoy but I will do just fine. I will find a way and I will not ask the government to take care of me. Here's a good example of what is wrong with this country. I was recently at a grocery store to buy some groceries for my family with my own, hard-earned money. I was behind two women in line who were using their WIC cards to buy their groceries. Okay, so they are a little down on their luck and need help paying for food for their children, right? Well, not quite true because they somehow had enough money to be talking on their cell phones while in line (a cell phone is a luxury, not a necessity). As I noticed their cell phone, I also noticed they had their nails nicely and fancily manicured and each had a Gucci purse (also luxuries). My wife had to stop me from asking them if it was okay for me to come over for dinner since I helped pay for it. When I went out to get into my car to leave, I noticed that the nice ladies that just used WIC to pay for their groceries were loading those groceries into a very nice 2007 Chevy TrailBlazer. Am I the only one who sees a problem with any of this?

…and so many Joe Six-Packs love to say: “Hey, if you don't like this country, you can leave it!”

So lets fix this. Voter ID can be accomplished by retinal scan or finger printing. They are free and since they come with you when you are born you don't have to travel to get them. Initial scan/fingerprint could be done at first driver license, first voter registration, first unemployment check, first welfare check. Then when voting you are scanned/printed, ID'd, and free to vote. No cost to the individual. Of course this article is a poor representation of journalism and further taints the average Joe's opinion of their worth but it does bring up a good point. There is a problem and it needs fixing. The one way to fix it is to ensure one vote per eligible voter. Many times legislation has been proposed to require voter ID and it is squashed mostly by the left leaning. One last thing. voting is a scared right that should be protected. If ACORN regardless of their political standpoint committed fraud and broke the law of the land then they should be punished. I encourage all eligible voters to vote and to vote their heart.

I'm sure if the GOP was registering dead people to vote for McCain, then the liberals would be all over it. In the end, what is wrong is wrong. And ACORN is wrong- whether they intentionally did it or not. This government is built on voting, and if there's no way to validate the people registering to vote before they vote, then that's a SERIOUS problem.

So…are you advocating for more governmental oversight and regulation? Come on, what kind of a conservative are you? ;)

I thought I heard that the error rate for the average joe sending in a registration card was 28.5% . . . However, I think my source on that is a bit of an alarmist. ( http://www.secstateproject.org/blog/a_285_perce… ) I have a hard time believing it's more that 2-3% . . .
This is still 10 times *worse* than the rate of error shown in ACORNS error rate . . . So. . . it looks like you're right, ACORN is having an effect. A very positive one for all political parties. The more accurate the voter registration, the more accurate the elections. Go ACORN!

ACORN: Where you're never too dead to vote twice!

If you've ever wondered “What is a community organizer?”, the answer is ACORN!

And this qualifies one to be President of the United States?

This is a silly article. Over the years in several states I have worked in state referendum petition drives and nominating signature drives for candidates. It is always the policy for signature drives to obtain at least 33 percent more signatures – and preferably 50 percent or more – than actually required for a referendum or to nominate a candidate because so many turn out to be false or have address or other errors. Here we're talking about 300 out of 80,000 registrations (a little more than a third of just 1 percent). Not exactly the Chicago machine, now is it?

Why? because Bush refused to give handouts to people who were too lazy to better themselves?

How can people continue to stand up and defend Obama when things like this keep coming up? And guess what…I bet it gets no media attention bc we wouldnt want everyone to actually KNOW whats REALLY going on.

If you think there was NO INTENT then PLEASE explain to me how ONE name can be registered SIX times with SIX different phone numbers and SIX different social security numbers. Because I've never filled out a paper 6 times because i didnt remember previously doing it. And i certainly dont have six phone numbers to use

'The Democrats count on votes from the poor and stupid in order to get into office.'

I think thats backwards. Dem's are the smarter bunch who have the education and the more open outlook on life. Look at the Repubs and tell me what you see?

I see a lot of backwoods hillbillys who need to step into the 21st century. Its time for them to stop being afraid of things like Gay people and start acting like adults. Times change, learn to accept the fact. Don't claim that man doesn't have anything to due with climate change, don't tell me you need to have a gun on you at all times because you are afraid of that 1 in a million chance you might be mugged in the middle of a field. Don't tell me that the earth is 6000 years old and dinosaur bones were planted by 'God'. Its rubbish and has no meaning to the USA. Accept that we all have to change and need to stop living in the past. The republicans are not go forward they are going backwards!

WE are getting desperate, which is why your party is registering fake people.

I could win an election too if i registered all my close friends 15 times.

I haven't seen anyone fall and I surely don't live in a well-off area. Perhaps it's due to the current financial crisis which seems to have been caused by the Clinton era and democrat-led congress. Even the current democratic congress has less of an approval rating than Bush. That should tell you something!

Wow, do you get all your facts from the NY Times or something? Is that where YOU have been the last 10 years?

You are so blind. I'm first generation in this country. My family escaped from the type of government Obama is trying to change us over to. Perhaps it's you that should move to China or Cuba to see what it would be like. It'd save the rest of us a lot of trouble.

Got Proof? Let's see it. I'm all for voter fraud investigations, but there has to be evidence other than hearsay and word of mouth. So far, the investigations into suspected voter fraud hasn't turned up but only a few instances where fraud has been committed. That's not enough to warrant such dragnet operations. I will agree community organizers, such as ACORN, need to be regulated by city, county and state offices to ensure compliance. It's a state issue that needs to be addressed at the state level. And I seriously doubt voter fraud is going to turn this election. There's no evidence to support such a massive conspiracy.

Hmm. Apparently a lot of people posting here did not read the article. Shrill and desperate noise gets in the way of those of use who read from a variety of sources and weigh content carefully. Please grow up. Respect the author by reading their work before spouting off–and try to stay on the topic. We'll all be the better for it.

Thanks for stating facts to substantial the current voter fraud epidemic repugs are so scared of is a figment of their rabid imagination.

This is yet another attempt by the press to influence the election to their view. This is a blatant abuse of freedom of the press, any thing to slander anyone opposing their view. If just 1 person votes fraudulently then our whole system has been corrupted and all citizens of this nation have been defrauded.

Year after year it seems the GOP targets ACORN with claims of massive voter fraud. What the neo-GOP has taught me under GWBush is that when they are claiming someone else is lying, they're actually lying…when someone else is cheating, they're actually cheating. Does the name Nathan Sproul ring a bell? (He's now operating under Lincoln Strategy Group out of AZ.) He advocated throwing Democratic registration forms in the garbage in his drives.

So, as I see it, the real problem with the bogus registration forms has to do with overtaxing elections officials who are already working feverishly (I hope) to process legitimate registration forms. That's unfortunate. But to know that 1.3 million at-risk Americans may participate in the voting process as a result of ACORN's work is heart-warming.

Now, about the GOP lying and cheating — it's called election fraud. Besides GOP operatives like Sproul above, more recently there is shocking news that the former AG Gonzalez fired one or more US attorney generals for NOT going forward with filing bogus cases of voter fraud (e.g., Iglesias in New Mexico for one)? The point is really Republicans know the more registered Democratic-leaning voters there are, the more likely their candidate will lose the election. So they push for suppression — and what's worse they target the weakest in our society or misuse judicial power when possible to crush their opponents, while wearing or waving the American flag! It's shameful.

And now we have this drama being carried out with the hope of swaying the good people of Nevada to vote against Democrats. These tactics have taken our nation to the edge of an abyss and still paranoid party hacks can't help themselves. Republicans have controlled the White House for far too long. And they fight to retain that power, which they have sorely abused. Their claims against Democrats are as false as their claims about Iraq, 9-11, and weapons of mass destruction.

As I noted in my post yesterday, Republicans have been aggressively attacking ACORN for alleged voter fraud, and using any”"” false or erroneous registrations”"” submitted by the group to claim there’s a problem of widespread voter fraud that’s tainting the elections.

HA HA ARE YOU INSANE? HOW MANY MONICA RAYS EXIST WITH THE SAME EXACT SIGNATURE IN LAS VEGAS??????????????

Ryan: I challenge you to go down to a ghetto and live there for a month and see for yourself what's going on and give me your opinion afterwards. But I suspect you will be offended by my challenge and spew more hateful rhetoric against the poor. People like you will never understand until it happens to you and maybe then the veil that the ultr-elite of this country have placed over your eyes will be lifted.

WOW, this article is complete BS. ACORN is no victim. I worked for ACORN as my first job upon graduating college with a political science degree. Voter fraud is RAMPANT throughout this organization. Employees sent out to the field to register voters are paid by the card, not by the hour. They hire anyone off the street, have no dress code, and the fraud checks are kept to a minimum. The sponsor for their voter drive pays the organization by the card, so it is in ACORN's best interest to turn in as many cards as possible. I worked with kids as young as 15 during my time there. These kids would get information to fill out their cards from the phone book usually, but sometimes they would also go to the cemetery for names. Ms Eviatar has obviously written this purely from her point of view, with absolutely no research.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/acorn-sta…

“Today's raid by the Secretary of State's Office is a stunt that serves no useful purpose other than discredit our work registering Nevadans and distracting us from the important work ahead of getting every eligible voter to the polls.”

ACORN is the nation's largest community organization of low- and moderate-income families, with over 400,000 member families across the country. Since 1970, *ACORN* has taken action and won victories on such issues as better housing, living wages for low-wage workers, more investment in our communities, and better public schools.

SOURCE Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) “

No, because Bush led us into a fraudulent war and drove up the national debt with out-of-control spending AND tax cuts, not to mention doin nothing substantive to curtail abortion while he had six years of a Republican-controlled legislature and cutting regulations every chance he got.

Meanwhile, my hard-working neighbors are falling through the cracks.

Ah, I love it. I actually can't depict who the guilty party is supposed to be in the above post. Is it the Democrats or the Republicans? Or ACORN itself? It's very unclear.

Don't we hear this every single solitary election? And didn't Bush win (twice) as a result of cunning voter fraud, assisted well, of course, by Jeb Bush, Governor of Florida who threw the fraud case in Florida out of the Supreme Court in 2004, and Bush's first cousin who ran the political news division of FOX and became the only network to claim Bush won in 2000?

As an American, voter fraud infuriates me – from the angle of any party. Soon, we'll be like the third world nations who have to deploy militia to protect voting booths.

UGH.

It tells me McCain is still going to lose.

And the Republicans are getting desperate.

R.I.P. Free-market conservatism (1980-2008)

Old info, Brett. ACORN no longer pays by the “card.” Their workers are paid an hourly wage. You'd have to assume that elections officials take no steps to validate voter registration forms, and that simply is not true. It's hyperbole. Anyone with voter registration information (used by all political parties for GOTV efforts) can tamper with voter registration forms unfortunately. It doesn't happen a lot, but it does happen across the country.

Kat, I will give you the benefit of the doubt on pay, because it has been over 3 years since I worked there. But I must also tell you that a close friend of mine from college, who got me that job, still works high up in the organization. ACORN has what I'll call a “corporate culture” of lack of accountability. If they find that an employee has committed voter fraud, they will fire that person. They never press charges or call the authorities, although I have seen them threaten to. As an organization, I don't think they endorse voter fraud by any means but they don't care enough to enact sufficient policies to prevent it.

there isn't any proof yet that ACORN commited any act of Fraud. Please hold all convictions, pending EVIDENCE. How ignorant and self rightous can one be?

I am amazed at the overall lack of insight as to the “Bigger” problem here folks – This is about ethics. The same thing that has driven our financial crisis. We have a lack of ethics in this country. G.W. Bush's crew probably tampered with the electrical voting machines, and since they have that market cornered the Dems are using this method to “balance” the scales in their mind. BOTH are wrong, and BOTH groups should be put behind bars for LIFE.

To Ned – You contridict yourself by saying Dems are more open minded, then narrow your focus on Repubs and pigeon hole them as if they are a flock of sheep mindless and stupid, great example as to the hypocritical thinking of Democrats overall.

Jared – The point here is not to cause any regional voter distortion, or at least enough to cause a regional recount and disaster. The goal of the Democrats in this tactic is the “National” count. Remember the argument for Gore – Won the popular vote, but lost the electorate. 500 here, 700 there, it adds up when your talking the entire country.

Windrider – You miss the entire point. Don't give us the ghetto story….I came from humble means, joined the military for the sole purpose of getting money for college and now have a six figure income due to my HARD WORK. Social stratification has been a part of our history forever, and you act as if you can or should be their savior. I would be disturbed as well if I saw government handouts being used by people enjoying many things those of us trying to live responsibly cannot. If your feeling so righteous, have you gone down and hired some of these folks since you think they are so capable? I think we all know the answer to that…..

Bribes – You just haven't been paying attention have you. The same person registering 10 times with the same signature goes a bit beyond intent, in my book and especially from a legal description. These unfortunate saps that someone talked into this will probably be spending alot of time behind bars instead of the real culprits higher up. If you understand the number of legal “Binds” ACORN finds themselves in, they have known for a good bit of time they either needed a “Refresher” course for their volunteers, OR needed to change the wya they conduct business. They have done neither, only obsolved themselves from any knowledge and left those poor folks out to dry. NICE. Remember my comment on ethics above? Plays into this nicely…..

Ed – Since your such a bleeding heart…..maybe we should find one of those folks to do your job for have the price….WAIT! you say, they don't know how to do my job nor can do it as well…..well, we have a conundrum don't we?! Ed Life lesson for you. It's not the number of times you fall down, it's the number of time you get up. Any one can succeed if the effort is there.

Kat – Your a living testament to the reason California is in the shape it is. If a little corruption is ok, well, I guess alot is tolerable.

Folks this is about having ethical leadership at all levels. We need to stop focusing on a “Party” or supporting a “Person” and start backing “Ideas” and “Ethical Standards” from our leadership. I got news for everyone on this post. Regardless of who you vote for or who ultimately wins, it will change nothing. The course of this nation is set, altered and sustained only by the people and their will. To bad WE have been the absentee landlord for to long. The average american has little to no understanding of what is going on in this country. Very sad.

Give me a ****king break! Obama, Ayers , Dems are all connected to ACORN. One of their goals stated on their website is to make affordable housing available to minorities even if they have terrible credit and finances. They accomplished this by threatening banks with accusations of discrimination even thought the reality is that most poor people have bad credit and are lazy and don't want to get off their asses and get a job!

Independent Mind- excellent post. Although I'm disappointed you left me out.

stoptheinsanity-Unfortunately I can't give you any hard evidence of voter fraud within ACORN. What I can do is tell you that as someone who worked on an ACORN voter registration drive I witnessed multiple acts of voter fraud first hand. I saw it, its there. My word is all I can give you. In addition to working there myself, I met my wife while she was working for ACORN. Also, one of my closest college friends still works for the organization, and called me last night to tell me about the raid. This is not a Rep vs DEM or GW Bush issue. This is an attitude that ACORN has about hiring unqualified individuals to do a job they will not be held accountable for when they abuse it.

Objectivism being what it is, you’re argument holds no water. Registering citizens for the vote, be they homeless , enfranchized or otherwise, is the duty of the government and also any interested parties. So ACORN has absolutely every right to register any voters that are not already so.

In addition, one can hardly state that the RNC is free from corruption in this matter. So it would be fair to say that perhaps someone should take a more careful look at what the RNC is doing policing someone else’s activities? Perhaps that’s a much more interesting question.

Use Common Sense People! HOW MANY OF YOU NEEDED ACORN TO HELP YOU TO GET REGISTERED TO VOTE??? This is a massive voter fraud scheme targeting minorities being perpetrated on an unsuspecting American ellectorate. This is disgusting. It makes us look like some 3rd world banana republic. Go to this link and become AWARE before it's too late!

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_o…

The funny thing is I am an employer in an urban downtown area. Most of my employees when they do show up for work are either drunk or high, or have to take time off to get their multiple children that they had with different partners. 2 kids= 2 different moms=no marriage. Most of their “resumes” features some jail time and their greatest aspirations are to become hip hop artists!

OMG

This could be the worst column I have ever read. Are the liberals ever going to learn? This is like TASS or the Iranian National Newspaper. Flat out dishonesty.

If 15 of your offices are under investigation for voter fraud by the FBI and their respected State governments that is not the Republicans fault.

The fact you are trying to spin this into “the potluck dinner and people that have worked are not going to get paid” angle is disturbing. This organization is sleazy at best.

Daphne, you are suffering from the worst case of Denial I have ever seen. WOW

Daphne, its pretty bad when a SGT in the US army can see what is really going on here. Remove the blinders and quick contributing towards the media being for Barrack Obama exclusively. He has a record of being too liberal for this country. Also for a moment consider this didn't Obama have a big part to do with ACORN in the past. So do you think they are trying to get him into office any way possible? Just like when they used intimidation to get banks to loan money to people that could never pay it back. Barrack will never be my Commander in Chief.

I read this story twice and it makes me more and more angry. This Daphne person should flat out be ashamed of herself. It is a feeble attempt to cover up what is plain and simple voter fraud. If she had ANY MORALS or ETHIC's she should condemn this.

Again if this was a conservative agency pulling this nonsense she would be writing an article filled with outrage over the attempt at the Republicans to steal another election.

Whatever Daffy.

How do people like this get to keep their jobs. The rational of this argument is completely insane.

Brett, it was a chore just focusing on those who seemed to have the “Entitlement” mindset or “What?! It's not a big deal.” attitude. I thought your post probably was one of the most compelling here, and I'm quite honestly suprised it hasn't made it nationally (You or someone who has had your same experience). I have got to beleive there are other people out there that would admit to their practices if it as rampant as it seems.

I certainly think your comment leveled the playing filed very quickly. Two wrongs does not make a right. And that seems to be where I think the Dems are headed.

I really don't see anything independant when it comes to the propaganda here. Anyone that can defend the systematic fraud, corruption and theft of democracy that ACORN breed has a place in democrat politics.

Since there does not seem to be any reason to try to think here.—- All hail our fearless leader.
We the Sheeple do declare our loyalty and souls to the “messiah” (sic) lower-case. Let him lead us to the promised land. Let him part the waters, push back the floods, and use his mighty hand to smite our ememy those evil mean people who do not believe in the slaughter of the unborn.

The article mentioned 20 boxes of documents that were confiscated from their office. Were these voter registrations? Will the poeple who registered then find that they are not registered and cannot vote? Likely, these would be mostly Democratic voters. And the GOP raid on ACORN's office is the same as widespread disenfranchisement of Obama voters. Typical GOP tactic.

Kells3:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!

Freaking hillarious even if it is unbelievably predictable that you would somehow twist this into a “blame the republicans” storyline. It simply shows that you are not intelligent or have the moral compass to admit that a group with ties to both Obama and the Democratic Party was caught doing something fraudelant. Instead of saying “this is bad and should never happen again” you predictably try to spin this as a sinister plot cooked up by the GOP.

People like YOU are the problem with this country.

Anyone want to bet that half the 300 fake ones are registered republican?

CNN.com is not reporting this story as far as I can tell

I love the related post on the sidebar that states that Dem Registration Surges in Nevada as we are commenting on Democratic voter registration fraud in Nevada.

Obama worked for Acorn defending them in a voter fraud case in ILL, he taught training classes, received money from their PAC and much more – read FACT.
Acorn – a conglomerate covering a number of industries and subsidiaries. One of their major operations is a national housing developer with operations scattered all over the country, and in bed with a number of national banks, brokerage companies, insurance companies. The housing developments are for public housing, or housing built after a crisis (such as hurricane). It has been protected by various Congressional leaders, and while its size and diversity makes it a very murky picture. There is information coming out that within this murky mess of Acorn there is ‘voter fraud’ and a history of it over 10 years.
IN 2008 ACORN CORP. WAS PAID $800,000 BY OBAMA TO ‘GET OUT THE VOTE’ – AND DURING THEIR EFFORTS IN 5 SWING STATES (Nev., NM, CO, MI, OH) ACORN IS CHARGED WITH VOTER FRAUD – IN 2008 !! Each state has evidence of 1) a person being registered 35 times; 2) more voters registered in a county than there are voting age people; 3) dead people being registered – and the list goes on and on.
1) Acorn was paid $800,000 by Obama, to handle voter registration in certain states.
2) There are currently investigations in FIVE “swing” states where significant evidence of voter fraud exists – conducted by Acorn – Such states include CO, NM, MI, NV and OH (problems such as people being registered 30 and more times; dead people being registered; or more people registered in a county than there are people of voting age – just the sort of thing LBJ did back in the good old days!)
3) Other states are already involved in lawsuits over such matters, some Acorn people already in prison, and more states involved in investigations.
4) And also learned, Obama has taught training classes for Acorn, has headed a voter registration campaign for them, worked for Acorn as an attorney defending them in an Illinois suit, and has received enormous contributions from the Acorn PAC.

I'll bet Republicans sent their underage sons and daughters to ACORN registrars to register to “vote” so they could blame ACORN.

Sure, address any fraud on ACORN's part, but also address pro-Republican voting machine fraud on Diebold's part that threw the election back in 2004. Come on….

TO EVIATAR: I realize that most media find no need to deal in fact, or even truth. I realize that media has adopted the low road, as manipulators and fabricators of information to suit their personal perspective. As a ‘commentator’ you have an even wider swath of mis-information you can dole out to readers.

The problem of course is that many of the readers take what you and most media say as gospel – surely someone in a position such as a journalist (once a highly regarded career, now akin to used car salesmen, lawyers, carney folks) would not mislead!

Your column on Acorn is unadulterated crap, not only misleading but FALSE. In other words Ms. Deviator, you LIED.

Why didn’t you mention some of the following FACTS about Acorn? HMMMMM? Probably because it reflects so badly on Obama, and because you don’t have the balls to tell the truth.

1) In 2008 Acorn was paid $800,000 by Obama, to handle voter registration in certain states.
2) There are currently investigations in FIVE “swing” states where significant evidence of voter fraud exists – conducted by Acorn – Such states include CO, NM, MI, NV and OH (problems such as people being registered 30 and more times; dead people being registered; or more people registered in a county than there are people of voting age – just the sort of thing LBJ did back in the good old days!)
3) Other states are already involved in lawsuits over such matters, some Acorn people already in prison, and more states involved in investigations.
4) And also learned, Obama has taught training classes for Acorn, has headed a voter registration campaign for them, worked for Acorn as an attorney defending them in an Illinois suit, and has received enormous contributions from the Acorn PAC.
5) Acorn has a 10-year record of fraud, illegal activities, and lawsuits from MANY states. It is also under investigation for fraud and corruption within its government contracts.
6) Acorn has been protected by Senators Dodd, Biden and Obama; and Rep. Franks. All of these men among several others, receive large amounts of largess and contributions from Acorn.

IF you had any integrity and honor, if you were an ethical reporter, you’d want truth to prevail, irrespective of your party/candidate affiliation. You do a huge disservice to your readers and to the readers of this publication. You contribute to the low regard for media, and to the spread of lies in favor of Obama and against McCain.

you are a damn fool -

When I was with ACORN, the attitude of the higher-ups was laziness, not corruption. I can't speak for the other comments but the fraud I saw was among the workers on the street. They were young kids (mostly teenagers) who had to make their numbers everyday. Since no one is going to sign anything given to them by a stranger that looks like a street urchin, they resorted to filling out the cards any way they could to get credit for them. These were the only ones committing fraud. Of course, the supervisors/directors are culpable as well because they just didn't care enough to change it.

ACORN office employees do conduct fraud checks, but it is usually one or two people looking through 20 kids voter cards a day. There's no way they can get through all of them. ACORN won't hire enough upper level people to check them. Most of the office directors are recent college graduates (like I was) who work there because they want to get into a non-profit/political career and see ACORN as an easy way to get your foot in the door. No one lasts too long there, and usually find another job after getting a little experience. The bottom line is that fraud is rampant throughout the organization but is usually only committed by the entry level employees, but the higher ups are still responsible for letting it happen.

Amen!

Amen!

Acorn is a sham organization, this article is ridicules. Apparently the Dallas Cowboys all registered in Las Vegas. If this was a GOP group your words would change. Bias on either side can't be tolerated. I don't think 50% of acorns applicants could tell you who the current Vice president is.

The KGB, I mean feds, are at it again…at least they're not shooting people this time. I haven't seen the government this scared in decades.

Registered voters can get an absentee ballot!!!! Anyone can turn in that absentee ballot for the absentee voter. So your swiss cheese argument is moot “unless poll workers are sleeping on the job, no one can show up and vote twice.” Drink some more KoolAid!!!!

Likewise how could there be any evidence if you don't go to the polls until Nov 4th? Kinda strange that many “Dallas Cowboys” players now live in Nevada but still play for Dallas? Hmmmm! I 'd like the name of the Acorn-Nut job that knocked on that door and got those autographs. I wish I could be so lucky. So your statement is outright stupid!!! “And there’s no evidence, and likewise no charges, that anyone is showing up at the polls and impersonating the nonexistent voters that have been signed up.”

Acorn is part of the left wing “rock the vote” BS! They don't go knocking on $300k+ houses for Registrations. They solict in poor inner city areas. Let's call a spade a spade here!

A organization like ACORN that has a history of voter fraud is this realy a surprise ?
If ACORN was a organization that worked with in the law it would be a fantastic thing.
Everyone should have the opportunity to vote and have the right to do so but That is not the case with ACORN. This time and in the past they decide to created voters only for the reason to support the candidate of their choice this time being Obama. And you people are ok with this ? If it they were supporting John McCain the Democrats would be rioting in the streets.

This is no different than whats going on in Ohio. Its a attempt by the Liberals to secure the election for Obama who by the looks of things really dose not need the help . And i am sure Obama and his terrorist buddy who by the way has had a relationship with Michell Obama for several years are involved in this up to their necks.

Why this year is ACORN so in the spotlight? ACORN has been in existence since 1970 and from 2004 they have registered over 3 million people. 1.3 million in the last year alone. The rough count of the allegations of fraudulent voter forms in the many articles that I have read including those by the GOP culminates to roughly 10,000 being extremely generous. That accounts for less than 1% of the total amount of forms that have submitted. Yeah that is real scary! Taking into account that they are also include illegible forms and human error, this drops the percent even further. I would say without ACORN involvement there would still be this level of error. There is no bogeyman nor conspiracy involved in this… while the folks at ACORN have questionable staffing policies, that is basically all there is to it. I've known persons that have worked at ACORN… 18-19 year old KIDS who get paid $3 per voter card. Now that may be a recipe for disaster, but not a conspiracy to steal elections. (Diebold maybe) All those trying to tie our future president to this…Obama was a lawyer along side the US dept. of Justice for an ACORN case. But that's all folks, no other direct relationship existed. I guess it doesn't matter what you know, it is who you know. However, many degrees of separation it may be. MSM does not provide additional details to quench your blood thirst because none exist. If it ws there they would expose it. There in it for the ratings, duh. Stop looking under the bed for the bogeyman…

you gotta be kidding me! obvious fraud over fake registrations in key swing states with the crime favoring Obama and you're going after the republicans??? and you're saying acorn is so ignorant and ineffective that they have no idea this is going on? i've seen the evidence myself in Florida with multiple registration forms for the same “person” submitted by acorn so don't add to the lie and say there is none.

NUBIA:

Of course they will. The reality is that most level headed Conservatives would not blame the mass of Liberals if there was some sort of shame over this. The reality is that there is no shame with liberals. They lie to cover up there own misdeeds.

Here is the truth.

This organization got caught doing something illegal, unethical and slimy.

They had had two roads to follow.

The high road and the gutter. Liberals are FAR more comftorable in the gutter apparently as proven by most of these posts on this MB.

Blaming republicans for everything…EVEN THERE OWN TRANSGRESSIONS is there favorite pastimes.

This is one reason I, as much as I do not care for McCain I have no other choice than to vote for him. Until a Democrat with class comes on the scene and decides to run a CLEAN campaign I have no other choice. The sad thing is that most conservatives and swing voters feel the same way.

IF the media had any integrity and this story ever got legs it could be devastating for the Dems. Good for them the media is controlled by the left.

States do not validate US citizenship when people register to vote. The California, Nevada, New Mexico and Florida non-citizen vote will put John McCain in the White House. The Democrats who have allow non-citizens to vote since HAVA 2002 (only a utility bill as a means of identification meets the standards outline by HAVA 2002) are now indirectly allowing non-citizens to elect John McCain to be the next President. Non-citizen Hispanics will not vote for Obama and they do not tell people taking the polls who they are going to vote for because the are under the radar, remember the States DO NOT VALIDATE US CITIZENSHIP when people register to vote and rarely prosecuted violations of voter fraud because liberal judges will not find them guilty unless they admit their guilt. State Prosecutors are reluctant to prosecute cases, so non-citizens have very little FEAR of getting caught. John McCain will be the next President of the United States not because of White Racism but non-citizens who think Blacks (in their mind) are getting a free ride, while they have to work at slave labor wages. Remember the TV ads directed at Spanish speaking voters, to be a citizen you have a basic understanding of the English language these ads where for the non-citizen Spanish speaking voter.

Stand by on election night when Barrack Obama has up to 8 point leads in California, Nevada, New Mexico and Florida and then John McCain wins those STATES.

I got my Senate voting data at http://www.SenateReports.com you can too!

I guess since we're talking about voter fraud, let's investigate and report on the purging of the voter rolls, a favorite tactic of the Republicans.

YOU KONServatives wouldn't know a CLEAN campaign if it smacked you in the face! You use your voter intimidation, purging, suppression, buzzwords, etc. to get your message across. YOU know YOU never figured out that there's always someone else smarter than YOU!

Some of the very things YOU list as complaints against ACORN sound vaguely familiar to the complaints about the 2000 election theft. I remember hearing about counties, townships, small cities, etc. having so many more votes than residents, but the votes were for Bush, not Kerry! So yeah, these tactics are very familiar!

Folks on the right are correct in saying this is about integrity and ethics, which seems to be in short supply anymore. Folks on the left are saying “this is fair game” since it was done by the other side in the last two elections (which has much merit.) using voter machines, etc.

The fact is the whole political scene has you so entrenched in rooting for “Your guy” that you all have sold your souls to win. I didn't hear the right stand up next to those on the left after the diebold incident to say, “You know what, if he won this way it's wrong.” Conversly here we are with the left justifying it as, “Well, you did it to us, so it is fair game.”

You sound like a bunch of children. Until you understand you have been conditioned into this “Root only for my team at any cost.” while turning a blind eye or not standing up for right and wrong, regardless if it supports your side or not, this country is lost. There is no gray area here. You will either stand together for what is right for this country or we will fall due to our inability to move past these polarizing parties and seek the best for our country. You start today. Ask yourself before you inject yourself in these crazy, debilitating arguments – What is right and what is wrong here. Make a choice, and I hope for you, for me and for our children you chose wisely.

Sensible Thoughts:
“If you can't answer a man's arguments, all is not lost; you can still call him vile names.”
- Elbert Hubbard

In just this statement “not only are the numbers of illegitimate registrations found tiny in comparison to the 1.3 million valid new registrations the group has signed up” you ruined your own argument.

So, a small about of voter fraud is ok?

I don't care if the numbers are “tiny in comparison”….THEY SHOULD BE NON-EXISTENT!!!!! GET IT?

Even one fraudulent voter registration is one too many.

“Some of the very things YOU list as complaints against ACORN sound vaguely familiar to the complaints about the 2000 election theft.”

Baloney. NONE of Ksweet's list of complaints against ACORN sounds anything familiar about the 2000 election (which wasnt a theft).

“I remember hearing about counties, townships, small cities, etc. having so many more votes than residents,”

You remember no such thing, liar.

“but the votes were for Bush, not Kerry!”

Prove it. Source? Which counties, townships, small cities had more votes than residents, with the voters going for bush, not Kerry? What were the numbers?

“Which counties, townships, small cities had more votes than residents, with the voters going for bush, not Kerry? What were the numbers?”

Typo: Which counties, townships, small cities had more votes than residents, with the VOTES going for bush, not Kerry? What were the numbers?

There is no way the results of the last two Presidential elections could be reconciled with the results of the exit polls. Statistically speaking, it was an impossibility.

The RNC used Diebold's allegiance to their cause to commit extensive voting machine fraud in 2000 and in 2004. Here is video of a Republican discussing the issue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsgY4_BB2lo?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9Kq4dxPwY8?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy1sz-xBxf8?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vvq_YseZVc

There is absolutely no reason to think they won't do it again.

These stories about ACORN are primarily a pre-emptive coverup for the cheating via voting machines that is to come, as well as being additional smear tactics against Obama.

These ACORN stories, while disturbing, are allegations of voter *registration* fraud. People would still have to actually manage to vote under these names somehow. Diebold and the RNC are persuasively alleged to have committed actual voting fraud, en masse.

I too think it's a result of laziness, however, those committing the fraud should be punished. It's your word against ACORN, Brett, but I believe as a result of previous lawsuits and the same shrill from GOP operatives in past elections (who support purging legally registered voters off voter rolls), ACORN does now make it clear to their employees the consequences of submitting fake registration forms and they do work with elections officials to prosecute these individuals. What is most bothersome to me is that it clogs up the system for the elections officials who are trying to get millions of new registration forms processed before the election. We cannot have fair elections unless every eligible voter is afforded the opportunity to vote, including even the weakest among us. I agree, JJ.

Yes, lets purge the voter rolls OF NON-CITIZENS! Why can poor Republicans seem to find the correct documents to register to vote but poor Democrats can't? This is not a hard concept to understand ONLY US CITIZENS are allowed to VOTE it is the law and just because you think the Republicans stole the 2006 election does not jusify VOTER FRAUD do you understand that “sensiblethoughts”, two wrongs do not make a right in any “SENSIBLE THOUGHT” I know of.

ACORN is NOT responsible for fradulent voter registration cards. They, by law, have to turn over all cards the their local Board of Elections. It is up to THEM to sort trough what is real and what isn't. This has been going on for decades and the republican party is trying to get ALL these cards disqualified just to win the election!

As a Obama supporter, I feel that ACORN may have given the republicans the ammo they needed to steal this election. Having dealt with ACORN personally, I honestly don't like the way they handled me, or even talked to me. The entire organization is going to rob Obama of a honest victory, and tarnish the results of this election. Obama and Democrats need to dissolve ACORN immediately if we are to avoid post election bullcrap from the Neocons.

How delightful to hear a political organization (GOP) arguing against registering new voters. What a refreshing change for a losing, lurching organization to try to sue its' way to victory. I am not an a ACORN employee or associated with them but anything that gets people to hold politicians accountable, I am all for it..

Back when the markets were riding high and the Bush people could boast about their portfolios, Republicans recommended that the best answer to Democrat protests was GOTV. Now that Democrats have worked hard to GOTV they consider it voter fraud. You cannot have it both ways.

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