rssSome birthers remain skeptical despite Obama birth certificate release
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“Today’s action doesn’t solve this issue,” Marco Ciavolino, a staffer at the Terry Lakin Action Fund, told the Colorado Independent in response to news that President Obama released an image of his “long-form” birth certificate today. “The first thing is, you know, why did the president wait so long to release this birth certificate? The other immediate thing is that there is no physical copy to inspect, so far. It’s just a pdf. So here we go again,” he said, laughing. “It’s really not that hard.”
Terry Lakin
Greeley native and former Army doctor Terry Lakin made a splash last year when he said he would refuse orders to deploy to Afghanistan until he was presented convincing evidence, including the alleged missing long-form birth certificate, demonstrating that Obama was born in Hawaii. Lakin was the highest ranking member of the active-duty military to subscribe to the so-called birther conspiracy, which holds that the birth records of the president are illegitimate or have been falsified.
Shortly after he declared his intentions to the press, Lakin was met at the Pentagon clinic where he worked by officers who read him his rights and revoked his access to the building. Military investigators also reportedly seized his computer. Lakin was later court martialed, dismissed from the service without pay or benefits and sentenced to six months at the Leavenworth brig.
Lakin has a child and wife who visit him in prison. The Lakin Fund posts a diary Lakin writes of his life in Leavenworth and his continuing belief that Obama has been less than forthright about his citizenship.
Commentators like Colorado conservative talk radio host Peter Boyles see Lakin as an American hero in search of the truth. Others see his story as a contemporary American tragedy, where a military medal winner has thrown away a distinguished career, hypnotized by the anti-Obama theories that have cropped up and been repeated endlessly on the right since Obama took office, including that the president is a closet Muslim and that he was born in Kenya.
In recent weeks, birther speculation has flared again, fueled by the proto-presidential campaign of Donald Trump, who has rehashed the arguments at high-profile media outlets.
Obama said media coverage of birtherism generated by Trump and apparently irresistible to political reporters spurred him to request his birth certificate this month and to post it online. He said the nation faced real challenges but was being distracted by “sideshows and carnival barkers.”
“We do not have time for this kind of silliness,” he said. “We’ve got better stuff to do. I’ve got better stuff to do.”
Few, including the president, believe the release of the certificate will end the debate, especially among true believers like Lakin who have invested so much in the theory.
“I’m hearing that there are some anomalies on this birth certificate,” Ciavolino said today. “I’m waiting for our people to weigh in and then we’ll post something on the site.
“The main thing is, even if this birth certificate is legitimate, it doesn’t address the question about whether [Obama] is a natural-born citizen of the United States. This is about the Constitution. The Constitutional question has never been addressed by the courts.”
Although the term “natural born citizen” is not specifically defined in the Constitution, the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution states that anyone born in the U.S. is a citizen.
Ciavolino points to the views expressed by Alan Keyes, who ran against Obama for the Illinois Senate and who argues that some of the Founding Fathers thought the term “natural-born” meant that two parents would have had to be citizens. Keyes will not be satisfied, he said, until the matter is decided in court.
“You go to court and present the evidence. There is an issue of law as well as fact…. You present the evidence, then a determination can be made…The American people want to see the Constitution respected, want them to go through the steps required and look at all the evidence and all the arguments and come to an authoritative judgment, not one that’s all piecemeal, where judges say it’s been Twittered about or politicians declaim or celebrity figures like Trump come out. That is not suitable.”
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17 Comments
Comment posted April 27, 2011 @ 8:32 pm
Sorry. There’s too much wrong with this president. He grew up in an Indonesian Muslim country. He did not go to an American public school, and did not grow up in an American neighborhood either. His contributors are foreign. Check the FEC reports. Americans are searching for why it is O seems to be so foreign, and as well lacking basic understanding of America values outside the elite Ivy League schools. So they are to be forgiven for looking into the man’s background and are deeply suspicious – in any case of his supporters and leadership. Now, he can answer more questions in fact, because he still acts foreign!!
Comment posted April 27, 2011 @ 8:32 pm
Sorry. There’s too much wrong with this president. He grew up in an Indonesian Muslim country. He did not go to an American public school, and did not grow up in an American neighborhood either. His contributors are foreign. Check the FEC reports. Americans are searching for why it is O seems to be so foreign, and as well lacking basic understanding of America values outside the elite Ivy League schools. So they are to be forgiven for looking into the man’s background and are deeply suspicious – in any case of his supporters and leadership. Now, he can answer more questions in fact, because he still acts foreign!!
Comment posted April 27, 2011 @ 9:09 pm
Every last word of your post is ridiculous nonsense.
Comment posted April 27, 2011 @ 9:11 pm
Of course they remain skeptical because they simply refuse to believe a black man with a funny sounding name could be elected president so there must be “something” wrong with him. Delusional nutjobs will always find some sort of reason to disbelieve facts and reality in order to cling to their nutty conspiracy theories.
Comment posted April 27, 2011 @ 11:03 pm
Sorry euphgeek, “we don’t have time for this silliness…” O spent his formative years going to school in Indonesia. The rest of Americans however did not go to school in Indonesia. Right? O does not understand the rest of America. Americans can tell. They are still looking for answers euphgeek. They are moving on to the next questions. They’ve got a list of infractions to cover instead. Such as those FEC reports which are being pursued, and then the funny looking ssnumber(s), his lack of selective service documents. Believe me, he’s not yet done answering questions. You are complaining about those sceptics with the same old refrain…likkke its racissssm man! That – is ridiculous. Sorry.
Euphgeek, you are not worth much more than this reply. No, we have no more time for this silliness, isn’t really O’s perogative Euphgeek.. O’s not paid much attention to the southern border either except by dithering. It will become the fourth war to be managed with soon enough. Happy voting…
Comment posted April 27, 2011 @ 11:03 pm
Sorry euphgeek, “we don’t have time for this silliness…” O spent his formative years going to school in Indonesia. The rest of Americans however did not go to school in Indonesia. Right? O does not understand the rest of America. Americans can tell. They are still looking for answers euphgeek. They are moving on to the next questions. They’ve got a list of infractions to cover instead. Such as those FEC reports which are being pursued, and then the funny looking ssnumber(s), his lack of selective service documents. Believe me, he’s not yet done answering questions. You are complaining about those sceptics with the same old refrain…likkke its racissssm man! That – is ridiculous. Sorry.
Euphgeek, you are not worth much more than this reply. No, we have no more time for this silliness, isn’t really O’s perogative Euphgeek.. O’s not paid much attention to the southern border either except by dithering. It will become the fourth war to be managed with soon enough. Happy voting…
Comment posted April 28, 2011 @ 1:50 am
The rest of Americans however did not go to school in Indonesia.
Can you prove that? Are you saying that no American has ever gone to a school in Indonesia? Barack Obama is the very first American to ever attend a school?
O does not understand the rest of America. Americans can tell.
And what makes you think that? Because all your right-wingnut buddies say so?
FEC reports which are being pursued, and then the funny looking ssnumber(s), his lack of selective service documents.
See, there’s no end to the conspiracy madness with you nutjobs, is there? Obama could release every single piece of paper his name has ever been written on and it still wouldn’t be enough. That’s because no document would ever turn his skin white.
And yes, racism has everything to do with this. No other president, Democratic or Republican has been hounded like this for more and more documentation on his past. Even liberals in 2004 were only asking for Bush’s combat records. None were forthcoming and rightly so. Nobody in the press reported it and no elected politician called for Bush to release them. Do you really think we can’t see the inherent racism in asking for such extensive documentation that has never been asked for from any previous president from a president who just happens to be the first black president?
It will become the fourth war to be managed with soon enough. Happy voting…
Yeah, that pretty much labels you as a right-wing nutjob with nothing serious to say and it confirms your racism and xenophobia. I will happily vote for Obama again in 2012 and I will be happy when he takes the oath for the second time on January 20, 2013.
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