Pro-immigration reform Democrats to meet with Obama

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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 at 9:33 am

President Obama will meet with pro-immigration reform Democrats — Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.) and Reps. Nydia Velazquez (D-N.Y.) and Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) — this afternoon to discuss immigration plans for the lame-duck session. The meeting will be a follow-up to a September meeting with the three Democrats, where Obama pledged support for comprehensive immigration reform and the DREAM Act. That time, they were hoping for the White House’s support to push senators to vote for the DREAM Act as part the defense authorization bill — an effort that failed when Republicans filibustered the bill.

Now, the stakes are somewhat different: In the lame-duck session, Democrats are up against tight time constraints and an additional Republican senator, the recently elected Mark Kirk from Illinois, to pass any immigration bills. But Menendez still says the DREAM Act, which would allow some undocumented students and military service members to gain legal status, should be the fallback to passing a far more contentious comprehensive immigration reform bill:

“The White House is ready and willing, and we may be having another meeting with the White House very soon this week,” Menendez said on a conference call, adding that Obama is “clearly interested” trying to reach a deal on immigration before the Congress convenes. [...]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid have said they would like to push for the DREAM Act, which would provide a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants who were brought to the country as children, during the lame-duck session.

Menendez said that although he supports the legislation, he would “like that to be a fallback.”

“I would not like to start there,” Menendez said. “I am a strong supporter of the DREAM Act. If that is all that can be achieved, then I certainly support the opportunity.”

Granted, Menendez has some good reasons to continue pushing for comprehensive immigration reform: He introduced a reform bill just before the pre-election recess, and with Republicans set to take over the House in January it may be the last chance for reform for a few years. Obama will likely state his support for immigration reform — one of his campaign promises — and the DREAM Act.

But given the difficulty of rounding up 60 votes for even the DREAM Act, Reid and Pelosi seem unlikely to push for comprehensive immigration reform. The likelihood of passing comprehensive immigration reform during the lame-duck session is very low, and DREAM Act supporters have argued the act should not be held hostage to broader reform efforts if those efforts cannot gain Republican support.

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Megaknight
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:12 pm

stop the 10 year bar. its a spite law that has been proven to only promote illegal immigrants to stay in the country, it breaks up families and is ignorantly absolute- for both the pro-amnesty and anti- amnesty this rule has done more damage. people are afraid to approach the government to straighten their lives out or to go back home.soldiers marry illegals and are forced to say goodbye… after serving in hostile areas… a spouse maybe his or her only peace of mind.


Facts
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:13 pm

I AM NOT SAYING DONT CLOSE THE BORDERS. I AM SAYING STOP THE HATE.

Before you Scream and show Ignorance and Hate at least read the Immigration Law regarding Undocumented Immigrants.

THE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE PAYING MORE TAXES THAN YOU THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMMIGRANTS AND TAXES:
Q: “Is it true that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes and drain our economy?”
A: As Ben Franklin said, “Nothing is certain but death and taxes.” Like the rest of us, unauthorized immigrants pay taxes on their property and anything they buy. More than half of them have taxes taken out of their paychecks, but because our immigration system is dysfunctional, these taxes are paid under false Social Security numbers. We need a new regimen in which we know who is paying taxes and can ensure that no one is getting a free ride. The only way to do that is to pull unauthorized immigrants out of the shadows and get them on the right side of the law.
Three state-level studies have found that unauthorized immigrants pay more in taxes than they use in benefits. In Iowa, unauthorized immigrants pay an estimated $40 to $62 million in state taxes, while they and their employers contribute an additional $50 million to $77.8 million in federal, Social Security, and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. In Oregon, unauthorized immigrants—who are not eligible for any state benefits—pay between $134 million and $187 million in taxes each year. Finally, in Texas, the State Comptroller found that, without unauthorized residents, the gross state product in 2005 would have been $17.7 billion less.
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The economics of immigration, Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.

That represented an astounding 5.4 percent to 10.7 percent of the trust fund’s total assets of $2.24 trillion that year. The cumulative contribution is surely higher now. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of $12 billion in 2007 alone, Goss said.

Previous estimates circulating publicly and in Congress had placed the annual contributions at roughly half of Goss’s 2007 figure and listed the cumulative benefit on the order of $50 billion.

The Social Security trust fund faces a solvency crisis that would be even more pressing were it not for these payments.

Adding to the Social Security irony is that the restrictionists are mostly OLDER AND RETIRED WHITES from longtime American families. The very people, in other words, who benefit most from the Social Security payments by unauthorized immigrants.

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The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?

Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.

Taxes, paid by You & the Undocumented are the same in each state check your state : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

GAS Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same. Go to and check out your states tax; http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

Cigarette Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same, check this out in : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/cigarett.html

Clothing Sales Taxes, are the same paid by you & the Undocumented Immigrant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

City Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented, since he pays rent and the LANDLORD pays the city : http://www.town-usa.com/statetax/statetaxlist.html

Beer Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented: http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/beer.html

TAX DATA : http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html

Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.

The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.

Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.

In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.

The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.

Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.

But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.

According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.

No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.

Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.

The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.

The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.

To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.

Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.

With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.


Stephan
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:14 pm

It is unbelievable where the Moral, Ethics, Dignity stand of The American people the political blood sport must have an end with the bigot of Brewer or the Reps. Spiced with lies to take advantage of every undocumented. With Black hair and Braun skin color. Who sue her, for using in Arizona the money from undocumented Immigrants of 28.9 Billion ???
The two face of the law of first
the United States without legal status is a civil violation, not a crime. But take everything from undocumented. Now throw them out and take the last the rest what there was working for. Steel from the poor who try to build a new life is that the American face to the world? It looks bad from any tourists view
For every detainee the incarceration payment is $90.00 the little what they have is taken away and now the report of sexual abuse on immigrants the gov problem between 12 – 18 years to clear the immigrant status it is despicable
How Much Does it Cost to Deport 392,000 People?
By Elise Foley 10/7/10 4:08 PM
Roughly $9.2 billion, according to figures from a March report on the per-immigrant cost of each step of the removal process. The numbers are estimates, of course, but it is still useful to illustrate the high costs behind the record number of deportations the DHS announced yesterday.
There are a number of costs involved in the removal process. First, illegal immigrants must be apprehended, which requires local law enforcement, Border Patrol and a number of Immigration and Customs Enforcement programs and offices. Next, they must be detained, and then processed through the legal system. Finally, illegal immigrants must be transported back to their native countries. Here are the per-person costs listed in the Center for American Progress report released in March:
Apprehension: $18,310
Detention: $3,355
Legal processing: $817
Transportation: $1,000
In total, that’s $23,480 for each of the 392,000 people the U.S. removed last year, or $9,204,944,000.
Of course, many of those deported were convicted criminals, meaning they would have had imposed high costs had they remained in the country. While numbers vary from state to state, on average it costs at least $60 per day (or $1,800 per month) to incarcerate prisoners.


Stephan
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:15 pm

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STATE-LEVEL IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION
In April 2010, Arizona governor Jan Brewer signed into law SB 1070, also known as the Support Our Law Enforcement and Safe Neighborhoods Act—a sweeping law with the intent of eliminating unauthorized immigration in the state through state and local law-enforcement actions. However, a federal district court enjoined several of the most controversial parts of the law, including the provision that explicitly required state and local law-enforcement officials to inquire about immigration status during any lawful stop, detention, or arrest, as well as the provision making it a misdemeanor to fail to carry proper immigration documents. Despite criticism of the Arizona law from Republicans, Democrats, police officials, religious leaders, and civil rights leaders, legislators in at least 23 states—Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Texas, and Utah—have introduced or are considering introducing similar legislation.
SB 1070-TYPE LAWS ARE NOT A REAL SOLUTION TO OUR IMMIGRATION PROBLEMS
The justification for SB 1070 doesn’t hold water. While proponents of SB 1070 claimed the law was a crime-fighting measure, data from the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics show that unauthorized immigration is not associated with higher crime rates. While there is real violence along the U.S.-Mexico border, SB 1070 does nothing to address it.
The police have always had the authority to arrest immigrants for crimes they commit. If a police officer sees an immigrant commit a crime (such as theft or murder), or suspects that an immigrant has committed a crime, that police officer can arrest that immigrant for that crime. The police also have the authority to arrest immigrants for criminal violations of immigration law, such as re-entering the U.S. after being deported. Furthermore, the police have always had the ability to contact ICE and inquire about an arrestee’s immigration status, and many prisons and jails have an ICE presence, so that immigrants can be identified and placed into removal proceedings.
SB 1070-type laws would be expensive. In addition to the enormous costs of implementing the legislation, the Mayor of Phoenix estimated the loss of convention revenue to Arizona as a result of SB 1070 will be at least $90 million over 5 years due to boycotts. A study released in July 2008 by the University of Arizona’s Udall Center for Studies in Public Policy concluded that economic output would drop annually by at least $29 billion, or 8.2 percent, if all non-citizens, including unauthorized workers, were removed from Arizona’s workforce. About 14 percent of the state’s 2.6 million workers are foreign-born, and about two-thirds to three-fourths of non-citizens are unauthorized.
SB 1070-type laws could leave states less safe. If police spend their time detaining and questioning people they suspect of being unauthorized immigrants, it will detract from their ability to investigate and solve more serious crimes. In Arizona, Sheriff Arpaio has diverted his department’s resources to immigration enforcement, and response times to 911 calls have increased, arrest rates have dropped, and thousands of felony warrants have not been served.
SB 1070-like laws jeopardize the federal government’s ability to set priorities in immigration enforcement. SB 1070 would divert scarce federal resources away from finding dangerous criminals throughout the United States, focusing instead on detaining and deporting non-violent immigrants in one state: Arizona
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SB 1070-type laws could lead to racial profiling. Such laws open the door to intrusive questioning for anyone when there is a suspicion that the individual may be here without authorization. While most U.S. citizens do not carry their passports, lack of such documentation could subject them to lengthy questioning, and possibly arrest or detention, if they cannot persuade an officer that they are in the U.S. legally. In particular, critics fear that persons who are Hispanic or dark-skinned, who have accents, or otherwise appear “different” are more likely to face racial profiling given the demographics of unauthorized immigration.
SB 1070-type laws would result in costly litigation for states. So far, seven lawsuits have been filed to stop implementation of SB 1070 in Arizona, and the costs are yet to be seen. Other states and localities that passed anti-immigrant legislation and ordinances—such as Fremont, Nebraska; Farmers Branch, Texas; and Hazleton, Pennsylvania—have been caught up in costly litigation to defend their laws.
While people are genuinely frustrated over the failure of the federal government to fix our broken immigration system, creating a patchwork of potentially unconstitutional and confusing laws is not an answer. A recent poll conducted by Politico shows that people don’t necessarily want states to jump into the fray as much as they want solutions. While 23% of respondents supported states taking action, 61% supported passing comprehensive immigration reform through Congress. A CNN poll showed that while 55% of Americans favored SB 1070, an astounding 81% supported a plan that would legalize unauthorized immigrants if they had a job and paid back taxes.
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WHY DON’T UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS JUST COME LEGALLY?
Many Americans wonder why unauthorized immigrants do not come to the U.S. legally or simply “get in line” for permanent residency (a “green card”). In fact, the legal immigration system is grossly out of date and has not kept up with the labor demands of our economy. Our immigration laws have not been updated in 20 years, and there are only limited avenues available for legal immigration. The overly restrictive legal limits on green cards mean that virtually all unauthorized immigrants have no alternative for legal entry into the U.S.
THERE ARE VERY FEW WAYS TO COME TO THE U.S. LEGALLY
• There is no “line” for the vast majority of unauthorized immigrants: Accusations that an estimated 11.1 million unauthorized immigrants—about 5% of the U.S. workforce—should simply “get in line” miss the point: There is no “line” and the “regular channels” do not include them.
• Unauthorized immigrants would rather come legally: Many Americans think that unauthorized immigrants want to be unauthorized. However, opinion surveys of unauthorized immigrants indicate that, if given a choice, 98% would rather live and work legally in the U.S. and would do so if they could. But most do not have the necessary family relationships to apply for legal entry, do not qualify as refugees unless they come from a handful of countries experiencing political unrest, and do not work in professions that currently qualify for a green card.
• Getting a green card is easier said than done: The ways to “come legally” to the U.S. are restricted to certain categories of people.
o The employment-based immigration system is out of sync with America’s needs: The number of green cards is limited to 5,000 per year for the entire United States for less-skilled workers such as landscapers, hotel workers, and construction workers. This grossly insufficient number of green cards for workers in these types of jobs is the crux of the unauthorized immigration problem in the U.S.
o Family immigration is highly restricted: U.S. citizens and green-card holders who meet strict eligibility requirements can petition to bring in certain eligible foreign-born family members. However, there are numerical limits on most family categories, and demand is typically higher than the number of available green cards. This results in significant backlogs for most family members hoping to enter the U.S. legally, with immigrants from some countries waiting decades for entry.
o Refugees: Persons who can prove a “well-founded fear of persecution” may, in some cases, be granted political asylum or refugee status. However, the burden of proof is high and the process is rigorous. An immigrant does not qualify as a refugee because of poverty or difficult economic conditions in his or her home country.
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IMMIGRANT INTEGRATION
Many Americans are concerned that immigrants do not learn English, are living in isolated enclaves, and will not integrate into U.S. society. These are the same fears that Americans have harbored for centuries when confronted by each new wave of immigrants. However, research shows that today’s immigrants are integrating into U.S. society just as the generations of immigrants before them. They, and their children, learn English, buy homes, intermarry, become U.S. citizens, and otherwise become part of the nation’s social fabric.
IMMIGRANTS ARE INTEGRATING JUST AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE
Immigrants are learning English: The U.S. Census Bureau found that 91.4% of all people in the United States spoke English “very well” in 2008. In immigrant communities, mastery of English increases dramatically from generation to generation. According to surveys by the Pew Hispanic Center, only 48% of first-generation Latino immigrants report that they speak English “very well,” but this figure rises to 98% in the second generation. Among Latino adults who are third generation or higher, 97% speak English “very well.”
More immigrants are taking the oath and becoming U.S. citizens: According to the Office of Immigration Statistics, large and increasing numbers of immigrants are becoming U.S. citizens. The number of naturalizations has grown from an average of 120,000 per year in the 1950s and 1960s to 680,000 per year between 2000 and 2009. Roughly 570,000 immigrants applied for naturalization in Fiscal Year (FY) 2009 alone. Many immigrants who applied for citizenship in the summer of 2007, hoping to vote in the November 2008 elections, were not able to do so because their applications had not been processed. However, in 2008, over 1 million persons were naturalized.
There is nothing more American than a 30-year mortgage: Homeownership is a key indicator of entry into the American middle class. Studies have shown that rates of homeownership rise among immigrants the longer they are in the country. Research by Dowell Myers, a prominent demographer at the University of Southern California, found that in 2005, Latino immigrants in California who had been in the U.S. for 30 years or more had a 65% homeownership rate, compared to 16% among those who had been here for less than 10 years.
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IMMIGRATION AND THE ENVIRONMENT
Some commentators argue that immigration contributes to “over-population” in the U.S. and therefore causes more pollution, greater consumption of scarce resources, and more damage to the environment. This argument not only ignores the economic forces that drive immigration, but also misses the fundamental point that “over-population” is not the cause of U.S. environmental woes. Solving our environmental problems isn’t as simple as curbing immigration to the U.S. Ultimately, immigrants are not the problem—the U.S. lifestyle, our systems of production and consumption, and the policies that shape them are. We need real, rational solutions and leadership on environmental issues, not scapegoats.
IMMIGRATION IS NOT BAD FOR THE ENVIROMENT
“Over-population” is not what damages the U.S. environment: Levels of environmental destruction and resource consumption are not directly related to population size, even in countries such as the U.S. and those of the European Union (EU) that have similar standards of living. Rather, they are conditioned by a wide range of factors, such as the degree to which a society depends upon polluting and non-renewable fossil fuels; utilizes pollution-reduction technologies; develops systems of mass transit to minimize individual automobile use; uses plastics and other non-biodegradable materials in manufacturing and packaging consumer goods; recycles potentially recyclable materials; and controls agricultural run-off into waterways.
A few people can pollute a lot, or a lot of people can pollute a little: According to the World Resources Institute, the United States is home to 30% fewer people than the European nations of the EU-15, yet produces 40% more greenhouse gases (GHGs), such as carbon dioxide and methane. In fact, U.S. emissions of GHGs on a per capita basis are more than double those of the EU-15. The problem is not the number of people in the U.S.; rather, the problem is the way the U.S. produces goods and consumes resources.
Blaming immigrants for climate change suggests that less-developed countries should stay that way: According to those who blame immigrants for our environmental woes, immigrants would ultimately produce less CO2 if they just remained in their less-industrialized (and therefore less-CO2-emitting) home countries. Based on this logic, unauthorized immigration isn’t the problem, increased wealth and international development are.
The U.S. isn’t a lifeboat with limited resources that will sink with too many people: When it comes to the global warming crisis, we’ll all sink or swim together.
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SURVIVING IMMIGRATION INTERROGATIONS
Quick Responses to the Toughest Questions
SOLVING UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRATION:
Q: “What are you going to do about illegal immigration?”
A: Immigration reform must be tough, practical, and smart. It is unacceptable to have 11 million people in our country living outside the legal system, and Americans know we can’t deport 11 million people to solve the problem.
America wins when we face reality and take action on immigration. Realistic solutions require the U.S. to do more than secure the border, crack down on employers who operate outside the law, and pursue smugglers who profit from our broken immigration system. We must address the underlying causes of unauthorized immigration. Moreover, reform won’t work unless we address the 11 million immigrants living here without legal status. We must require them to come forward to legalize their status, pay back taxes, learn English, and pass criminal background checks.
America needs a legal immigration system that enhances our security, strengthens our economy, and benefits our communities. We need a realistic, legal immigration framework that protects U.S. workers while providing needed labor to American businesses. Reasonable limits on family immigration would encourage the unification of families and the building of stable communities. The foundation for this kind of immigration system is strong and sensible enforcement that disentangles immigration from crime and national security threats, and focuses enforcement efforts on weeding out the bad actors in the workplace and our communities.
BORDER CONTROL:
Q: “How will you control the border?”
A: Securing our border is vital for national security, but we can’t deport our way to safety. We must supply adequate manpower and groundbreaking technology to secure the border, but we can’t be lulled into thinking that enforcement alone will control the border. Walls, raids, and billions of dollars spent at the border aren’t stopping unauthorized immigration. The annual budget of the U.S. Border Patrol has increased nine-fold, and the number of Border Patrol agents stationed along the southwest border has grown nearly five-fold, since Fiscal Year (FY) 1992. But the unauthorized population of the United States has tripled in size, from roughly 3.5 million in 1990 to 11 million today. America needs leaders who will move beyond the deportation-only mentality and implement real solutions to secure the border and restore the rule of law. Enacting comprehensive immigration reform and creating legal channels so that immigrants entering our borders do so lawfully will free up the Border Patrol to focus on drug smuggling, human trafficking, and other criminal activity rather than chasing busboys through the desert. 1 9
IMMIGRANTS AND THE ECONOMY:
Q: “Should we pass immigration reform while we’re in an economic downturn?”
A: In this economic downturn, many may argue that immigration reform is not a priority, but reforming our broken immigration system is an important part of our economic recovery. A recent study by Dr. Raul Hinojosa-Ojeda found that comprehensive immigration reform which includes the legalization of unauthorized immigrants already in the U.S. would yield $1.5 trillion to the U.S. GDP over a ten-year period, generate billions in additional tax revenue and consumer spending, and support hundreds of thousands of jobs. Currently, many unauthorized immigrants are working in the underground economy, and unscrupulous employers are able to exploit them and create unfair competition by violating labor laws and paying sub-minimal wages. We need to make sure everyone working in the U.S. is working legally, and we need to enforce labor laws against employers who undercut U.S. workers and exploit unauthorized immigrants. Leveling the playing field for both workers and employers will eliminate unfair competition and improve the wages and working conditions of all workers. Putting all immigrant workers in the formal economy will increase wages, tax revenues, and consumption.
IMMIGRANTS AND TAXES:
Q: “Is it true that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes and drain our economy?”
A: As Ben Franklin said, “Nothing is certain but death and taxes.” Like the rest of us, unauthorized immigrants pay taxes on their property and anything they buy. More than half of them have taxes taken out of their paychecks, but because our immigration system is dysfunctional, these taxes are paid under false Social Security numbers. We need a new regimen in which we know who is paying taxes and can ensure that no one is getting a free ride. The only way to do that is to pull unauthorized immigrants out of the shadows and get them on the right side of the law.
Three state-level studies have found that unauthorized immigrants pay more in taxes than they use in benefits. In Iowa, unauthorized immigrants pay an estimated $40 to $62 million in state taxes, while they and their employers contribute an additional $50 million to $77.8 million in federal, Social Security, and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. In Oregon, unauthorized immigrants—who are not eligible for any state benefits—pay between $134 million and $187 million in taxes each year. Finally, in Texas, the State Comptroller found that, without unauthorized residents, the gross state product in 2005 would have been $17.7 billion less.
BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP:
Q: “Wouldn’t eliminating birthright citizenship resolve our immigration problems?”
A: Eliminating birthright citizenship would be unconstitutional, impractical, expensive, complicated, and would not stop unauthorized immigration. It would impose a significant burden on all Americans who would no longer have an easy and inexpensive way to prove their citizenship. All American parents—not just immigrants—would have to prove the citizenship of their children through a cumbersome process. Since children born to unauthorized immigrants would presumably be unauthorized, the size of the unauthorized population would actually increase as a result of the new policy. 2 0
STATE-LEVEL IMMIGRATION LEGISLATION:
Q: “Should my state pass legislation similar to Arizona’s SB 1070?”
A: No. Such laws are not effective at resolving the problems with our broken immigration system. Only the federal government can reform our immigration laws. Laws like SB 1070 are expensive, devote precious law-enforcement resources to questioning immigrants about their status, and divert law-enforcement resources away from investigating serious criminal activity. SB 1070-like laws can also lead to racial profiling and discriminatory behavior. Police already have the ability to arrest immigrants for any crimes they may commit, and they can already cooperate with the federal government to enforce immigration laws.
While people are genuinely frustrated over the failure of the federal government to fix our broken immigration system, creating a patchwork of potentially unconstitutional and confusing laws is not an answer. A recent poll conducted by Politico shows that people don’t necessarily want states to jump into the fray as much as they want solutions. While 23% of respondents supported states taking action, 61% supported passing comprehensive immigration reform through Congress. A CNN poll showed that while 55% of Americans favored SB 1070, an astounding 81% supported a plan that would legalize unauthorized immigrants if they had a job and paid back taxes.
IMMIGRANTS AND CRIME:
Q: “Aren’t a lot of immigrants criminals?”
A: Immigrants are less likely to be criminals than the native-born. Americans are justifiably concerned about crime in their neighborhoods, and immigration restrictionists are quick to point the spotlight at cases in which immigrants have committed horrible crimes. Anyone who commits a crime should be punished, but there is ample evidence that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to be in prison, and high rates of immigration are not associated with higher rates of crime. In fact, the incarceration rate for native-born men age 18-39 was five times higher than for immigrant men in 2000.
Recent studies in two immigrant-rich states, New Jersey and California, reached similar conclusions. In New Jersey, U.S. citizens are twice as likely to land in prison as either legal or unauthorized immigrants. And in California, foreign-born adults have lower incarceration rates than their native-born counterparts.
IMMIGRANTS AND INTEGRATION:
Q: “Why aren’t new immigrants assimilating like our ancestors did?”
A: Learning English, swearing allegiance, and buying homes—what could be more American? Roughly 92% of all people in the United States spoke English “very well” in 2008. Immigrants know the ticket to success in this country is speaking English, and that’s why sociologists have dubbed America the “language grave-yard.” Large and increasing numbers of immigrants are also becoming U.S. citizens. Roughly 570,000 immigrants applied for naturalization in 2008 alone (in the 1960s the annual average was 120,000). Finally, rates of homeownership—a key indicator of entry into the American middle class—rise among immigrants the longer they are in the country.

Unfortunately, Rep. King has been woefully misinformed on the issue of immigration. He has a history of distorting the truth and advocating harmful policies that are based on fear not facts


Stephan
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:16 pm

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IMMIGRANTS AND PUBLIC BENEFITS
Many Americans fear that immigrants disproportionately use welfare programs or public benefits. Some believe that immigrants are eligible for special benefits that Americans cannot receive. The fact is that unauthorized immigrants are not eligible for most public benefits and do not use them surreptitiously. Legal immigrants are also restricted from receiving many benefits. Immigrants pay taxes to fund welfare programs, but are not eligible to reap the benefits of many of them.
UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS AREN’T ELIGIBLE FOR PUBLIC BENEFITS
Unauthorized immigrants are not eligible for federal public benefits: This includes income supplements—e.g., Social Security, Supplemental Security Income (SSI), and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), health care (Medicaid and Medicare), and food stamps.
Legal immigrants face tough restrictions on accessing public benefits: Federal law also imposes harsh restrictions on legal immigrants’ eligibility for public benefits. Most documented immigrants cannot receive federal Medicaid, TANF, food stamps, or SSI during their first five years or longer in the U.S., regardless of how much they have worked or paid in taxes.
Immigrants use less health care, on average, than U.S. citizens: Low-income immigrants are less likely to receive public benefits than are U.S. citizens. Immigrants do not come to the U.S. to receive public benefits, and once they are here, they do not disproportionately use public benefits. According to a study in the American Journal of Public Health, immigrants do not impose a disproportionate financial burden on the U.S. health care system. The per capita total health care expenditures of immigrants are less than half those of U.S.-born persons, and immigrants are significantly less likely to use the emergency room than are citizens. Further restricting immigrants’ access to benefits is not a solution to our immigration problems. In fact, the more people paying into a healthcare system, especially healthier working-age people, the more the costs are spread out.

BUT THEY PAY ANYWAY
Immigrants pay taxes into the system that funds public services: Even the majority of unauthorized immigrants pay federal and state income taxes, Social Security taxes, and Medicare taxes. And all immigrants pay sales taxes and property taxes. Many studies have found that immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits. The National Research Council estimated in 1997 that “the average immigrant pays nearly $1,800 more in taxes than he or she costs in benefits.” Many state-level studies have also found that immigrants contribute more to the economy than they take out.
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UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRANTS AND TAXES
As the debate over unauthorized immigration continues to rage, some pundits and policymakers are claiming that unauthorized immigrants do not pay taxes and rely heavily on government benefits. Neither of these claims is supported by the facts. According to the Pew Hispanic Center, unauthorized men have workforce participation rates that are higher than other workers, and all unauthorized immigrants are ineligible for most government services, but pay taxes as workers, consumers, and residents.
MANY PAY BUT DON’T COLLECT
Like the rest of us, unauthorized immigrants pay taxes: Between one-half to three-quarters of unauthorized immigrants pay federal and state income taxes, Social Security taxes, and Medicare taxes. All unauthorized immigrants pay sales taxes (when they buy anything at a store, for instance) and property taxes (even if they rent housing).
Unauthorized immigrants pay into Social Security, but do not collect: The Social Security Administration (SSA) has concluded that unauthorized immigrants “account for a major portion” of the billions of dollars paid into the Social Security system under names or Social Security numbers that don’t match SSA records; payments from which immigrants cannot benefit while unauthorized. As of October 2005, the reported earnings on which these payments are based—which are tracked through the SSA’s Earnings Suspense File (ESF)—totaled $520 billion.

STATE STUDIES ANALYZE UNAUTHORIZED TAX CONTRIBUTIONS
TEXAS: A 2006 study by the Texas State Comptroller found that “the absence of the estimated 1.4 million undocumented immigrants in Texas in fiscal 2005 would have been a loss to our gross state product of $17.7 billion. Undocumented immigrants produced $1.58 billion in state revenues, which exceeded the $1.16 billion in state services they received.”
OREGON: A 2007 study by the Oregon Center for Public Policy estimated that unauthorized immigrants in Oregon pay state income, excise, and property taxes, as well as federal Social Security and Medicare taxes, which “total about $134 million to $187 million annually.” In addition, “taxes paid by Oregon employers on behalf of undocumented workers total about $97 million to $136 million annually.” As the report goes on to note, unauthorized workers are ineligible for the Oregon Health Plan, food stamps, and temporary cash assistance.
IOWA: A 2007 report from the Iowa Policy Project concluded that “undocumented immigrants pay an estimated aggregate amount of $40 million to $62 million in state taxes each year.” Moreover, “undocumented immigrants working on the books…and their employers also contribute annually an estimated $50 million to $77.8 million in federal Social Security and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. Rather than draining state resources, undocumented immigrants are in some cases subsidizing services that only documented residents can access.”
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IMMIGRANTS AND CRIME
The persistent myth that immigrants are more prone to criminality than the native-born continues to circulate viciously among politicians, commentators, and the public despite a century’s worth of contrary evidence that immigrants are less likely than the native-born to be in prison, and that high rates of immigration are not associated with higher crime rates.
IMMIGRANTS HAVE LOWER CRIME RATES THAN THE NATIVE-BORN
Immigrants are five times less likely to be in prison than the native-born: A 2007 study by University of California-Irvine sociologist Rubén G. Rumbaut found that the 3.5% incarceration rate for native-born men ages 18-39 was five times higher than the 0.7% rate for immigrant men in 2000. The lower incarceration rates of immigrants compared to natives “holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the undocumented population.”
Unauthorized immigration is NOT associated with higher crime rates: Although the unauthorized immigrant population doubled from 1994 to 2005, the violent crime rate in the United States declined by 34.2 % and the property crime rate fell by 26.4% during the same period. Border cities and other cities with large immigrant populations also experienced decreasing crime rates.
HIGHER IMMIGRATION RATES = LOWER CRIME RATES
• Crime is lowest in the states with the most immigrants: According to a 2008 report from the conservative Americas Majority Foundation, crime rates are lowest in states with the highest immigration growth rates. From 1999 to 2006, the total crime rate declined 13.6% in the 19 highest-immigration states, compared to a 7.1% decline in the other 32 states. In 2006, the 10 “high influx” states—those with the most dramatic, recent increases in immigration—had the lowest rates of violent crime and total crime.
o New Jersey: An analysis of data from the New Jersey Department of Corrections and U.S. Census Bureau by New Jersey’s Star-Ledger in April 2008 found that “U.S. citizens are twice as likely to land in New Jersey’s prisons as legal and illegal immigrants.” In fact, “non-U.S. citizens make up 10% of the state’s overall population, but just 5% of the inmates in prison.”
o California: Foreign-born adults in California have lower incarceration rates than their native-born counterparts. According to a June 2008 report from the Public Policy Institute of California, “the incarceration rate for foreign-born adults is 297 per 100,000 in the population, compared to 813 per 100,000 for U.S.-born adults. The foreign-born, who make up roughly 35% of California’s adult population, constitute 17% of the state prison population, a proportion that has remained fairly constant since 1990.”
• The argument that unauthorized immigrants are “criminals” because they are “illegal” is highly misleading. “Unlawful presence” in the United States (such as overstaying a visa) is a civil violation of immigration law, not a criminal violation. “Entry Without Inspection” (entering the United States without authorization) is a misdemeanor. More importantly, neither of these offenses constitutes a threat to public safety—unlike crimes such as murder, assault, and robbery, all of which immigrants are much less likely to commit than natives.
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LOCAL POLICE AND IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT
Recently there has been increased public attention on the role of state and local police agencies in immigration enforcement. Currently, about 67 localities have entered into memoranda of understanding (MOUs) with Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) through the 287(g) program. The 287(g) program refers to the section of federal law created in 1996 that establishes a program for local police to be trained by ICE to enforce immigration law. Approximately 1,075 police and correctional officers had been trained as of January 2010. Even when local police officers are not deputized to perform immigration enforcement, ICE does work through the criminal justice system to identify deportable noncitizens through programs such as the Criminal Alien Program (CAP) and the Secure Communities program. Critics argue that these policies which involve local police in the enforcement of federal immigration law lead to increased discrimination and racial profiling, stretch the limited resources of law enforcement, and erode—rather than promote—trust between immigrant communities and the police, thus endangering public safety.
LOCAL COPS DON’T WANT TO BE IMMIGRATION OFFICERS
There is strong and broad-based opposition to local police enforcement of immigration laws: Advocates for victims of domestic abuse, faith-based organizations, immigrant rights groups, elected officials, and law-enforcement officials all agree that state and local police should not be enforcing federal immigration laws.
When police enforce immigration laws, or are perceived to be enforcing immigration laws, public safety decreases: When police are turned into immigration agents, immigrants (legal and unauthorized) who are victims or witnesses of crime are fearful of cooperating with the police. This puts entire communities at risk.
When police enforce immigration laws, other crimes go uninvestigated: The experience of Maricopa County, Arizona, has shown that when police are highly invested in enforcing immigration laws, other crimes do not receive the attention they deserve, and response times to emergency 911 calls increase.
Enforcing immigration law is costly: The federal government does not cover the costs incurred by localities that enforce immigration laws. After only three months, Maricopa County had a deficit of over $1 million. The Prince William County, Virginia, jail spent nearly $800,000 more than expected to hold suspected unauthorized immigrants. This money could be better spent on public safety.
When local police enforce immigration law it is likely to lead to racial profiling, discrimination, and costly litigation: When local law enforcement gets involved in immigration enforcement, particularly without proper training and oversight, people are often targeted on the basis of their accent or appearance. This can lead to serious violations of the civil rights of legal permanent residents and even U.S. citizens.
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BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP
Anti-immigrant groups and legislators have persisted in their attempts to restrict or repeal birthright citizenship in State Houses and the U.S. Congress. Several bills have been introduced that would deny U.S. citizenship to children whose parents are in the U.S. without authorization or on temporary visas. The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution—the cornerstone of American civil rights—affirms that, with very few exceptions, all persons born in the U.S. are U.S. citizens, regardless of the immigration status of their parents. Following the Civil War and the emancipation of the slaves, the Fourteenth Amendment restated the longstanding principle of birthright citizenship, which had been temporarily erased by the Supreme Court’s “Dred Scott” decision denying birthright citizenship to the U.S.-born children of slaves. The Supreme Court has consistently upheld birthright citizenship over the years.
ELIMINATING BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL, IMPRACTICAL, EXPENSIVE, COMPLICATED, AND WOULD NOT STOP UNAUTHORIZED IMMIGRATION
Eliminating birthright citizenship would impose a significant burden on all Americans, who would no longer have an easy and inexpensive way to prove their citizenship. If simply being born in the U.S. and having a U.S. birth certificate were not proof of citizenship, Americans would have to navigate complex laws to prove their citizenship. Other than a birth certificate, most Americans do not have government documents that establish U.S. citizenship.
All American parents—not just immigrants—would have to prove the citizenship of their children through a cumbersome process. Some Americans would have to prove they derive U.S. citizenship through one or both of their parents—a process that can be difficult for even experienced immigration attorneys. In some cases, whether one’s parents were married or unmarried at the time of one’s birth makes a difference in determining citizenship. Moreover, the gender of the U.S.-citizen parent can affect the determination.
Eliminating birthright citizenship would not solve the problem of unauthorized immigration. Since children born to unauthorized immigrants would presumably be unauthorized, the size of the unauthorized population would actually increase as a result of the new policy. While some children could acquire the citizenship of their parents, others would be left with no citizenship or nationality, leaving them stateless.
Eliminating birthright citizenship is a distraction that moves us away from fixing the real problems with our broken immigration system. Immigrants come to the U.S. to work, to reunite with their families, or to flee persecution. Denying birthright citizenship will not discourage unauthorized immigrants from coming to the U.S., and it will not encourage those already here to leave.


Stephan
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:17 pm

GIVING FACTS A FIGHTING CHANCE
ANSWERS TO THE TOUGHEST IMMIGRATION QUESTIONS
IMMIGRATION POLICY CENTER
OCTOBER 2010
ABOUT THE IMMIGRATION POLICY CENTER
The Immigration Policy Center, established in 2003, is the policy arm of the American Immigration Council. IPC’s mission is to shape a national conversation on immigration and immigrant integration. Through its research and analysis, IPC provides policymakers, the media, and the general public with accurate information about the role of immigrants and immigration policy on U.S. society. IPC reports and materials are widely disseminated and relied upon by press and policymakers. IPC staff regularly serves as experts to leaders on Capitol Hill, opinion-makers, and the media. IPC is a non-partisan organization that neither supports nor opposes any political party or candidate for office. Visit our website at http://www.immigrationpolicy.org and our blog at http://www.immigrationimpact.com.
TABLE OF CONTENTS

WHY WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM
Americans are justifiably frustrated and angry with our outdated and broken immigration system. The problem is complex, and a comprehensive, national solution is necessary. Politicians who suggest that the U.S. can deport its way out of the problem by removing 11 million people are unrealistic. The U.S. needs a fair, practical solution that addresses the underlying causes of unauthorized immigration and creates a new, national legal immigration system for the 21st century.
Immigration reform must be rational, practical, and tough: It is unacceptable to have 11 million people in our country living outside the legal system. To enhance our security, we must have smart border and interior enforcement, target the real causes of violence along the border, and prosecute those who exploit immigrant labor and those who profit from smuggling. Additionally, unauthorized immigrants should be required to come forward to legalize their status, pay back taxes, learn English, and pass criminal background checks. Finally, we must create sufficient legal channels to support the level of immigration our country needs in the future.
Efforts simply to deport are often political games, not serious policy proposals: Over the past two decade, tens of billions of dollars have been spent on immigration enforcement. The annual budget of the U.S. Border Patrol has increased nine-fold and the number of Border Patrol agents stationed along the southwest border has increased nearly five-fold since Fiscal Year (FY) 1992, yet the unauthorized population has tripled in size. Billions in taxpayer dollars are wasted every year when we attempt to spend our way out of the problem rather than solve it.

THE PUBLIC WANTS SOLUTIONS
A majority of Americans favor realistic reform over unachievable rhetoric: Polls consistently find that Americans support a tough but comprehensive solution for those here without authorization over an enforcement-only immigration policy. According to polls of likely 2010 general election voters conducted for America’s Voice by Lake Research Partners and Benenson Strategy Group, 66% of all voters and 74% of Latino voters supported comprehensive immigration reform as opposed to enforcement-only measures. This included 62% of Republicans, 67% of Independents, and 69% of Democrats. Finally, 67% of all likely voters believed that unauthorized immigrants “should be required to register, meet certain conditions, and eventually allowed to apply for citizenship,” rather than leaving the country or being allowed to stay only temporarily.
The public sees comprehensive immigration reform as consistent with, not working against, our nation’s economic recovery: Nationwide, 67% of voters said “We would be better off if people who are in the United States illegally became legal taxpayers so they pay their fair share,” vs. 28% who said “We would be better off if people who are in the United States illegally left the country because they are taking away jobs that Americans need.”
The best way to solve the problem is to face reality: Most unauthorized immigrants are integrated members of U.S. families and communities. Nationwide, unauthorized immigrants comprise 5.1% of the workforce, and in states like Arizona, the unauthorized share of the workforce is even higher. In certain sectors, like agriculture and construction, unauthorized workers comprise up to 25% of the workforce. Nationwide, there are approximately 4 million U.S.-citizen children with at least one unauthorized parent, and policies that target their parents have grave effects on the children. Approximately 53% of unauthorized immigrants have been in the U.S. ten years or more. The vast majority of unauthorized immigrants are simply here to work. Unauthorized immigrants who work,
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pay taxes, do not commit crimes, and want to be Americans should be required to come forward and register for legal status.

THE SOLUTION IS:
First and foremost, the United States needs a legal immigration system that enhances our security, strengthens our economy, and supports our communities: The most practical and realistic way to reduce unauthorized immigration dramatically is to bring U.S. immigration policy in line with economic and social realities. Lawmakers should devise immigration policies that are responsive to labor demands and ensure fair wages and good working conditions for all workers, both native-born and foreign-born, and which require unauthorized immigrants already living in the United States to apply for legal status. Lawmakers must also build a more flexible and responsive system for temporary and permanent employment-based immigration that can adapt quickly to changing economic times, supports innovation and entrepreneurship, and allows those who want to contribute their skills and talents to this country an opportunity to do so. Finally, lawmakers should address the delays and restrictions that impose unreasonably long waiting times on hardworking families seeking to join close relatives in the U.S.
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IMMIGRATION REFORM AND THE CURRENT ECONOMY
It is generally undisputed that immigration is important to America’s economic success. During an economic downturn, however, many argue that immigration reform should not be a priority, while others argue that fixing our broken immigration system and allowing unauthorized immigrants to earn legal status would be detrimental to the economy. However, reforming our broken immigration system is an important part of improving our economy. Currently, unscrupulous employers are able to exploit unauthorized workers and create unfair competition by violating labor laws and paying sub-minimal wages. This is harmful to U.S. businesses and U.S. workers. Our immigration system needs to work for all Americans, not just for those employers looking for low-cost labor. We need to recognize that it would be far better if all immigrant workers were here legally and could exercise the same rights on the job as native-born workers. Leveling the playing field for both workers and employers by legalizing unauthorized workers and enforcing labor laws against bad-apple employers will eliminate unfair competition and improve the wages and working conditions of all workers.
ECONOMIC BENEFITS OF IMMIGRATION REFORM
Legalization brings economic benefits. A 2010 report released by the Immigration Policy Center (IPC) and the Center for American Progress (CAP), Raising the Floor for American Workers: The Economic Benefits of Comprehensive Immigration Reform, finds that comprehensive immigration reform which includes a legalization program for unauthorized immigrants and enables a future flow of legal workers would result in a large economic benefit—a cumulative $1.5 trillion in added U.S. Gross Domestic Product (GDP) over 10 years. In stark contrast, a deportation-only policy would result in a loss of $2.6 trillion in GDP over 10 years.
Observers across the political spectrum agree on the economic benefits of legalization. A 2009 report by the libertarian Cato Institute came to startlingly similar conclusions. Cato found that legalization would boost the incomes of U.S. households by $180 billion in 2019. Cato also concluded that tighter restrictions and a reduction in less-skilled immigration would impose large costs on native-born Americans by shrinking the overall economy and lowering worker productivity.
Leveling the playing field will benefit U.S. workers and the U.S. economy. We need to ensure that unauthorized immigrants come forward, pay a fine, undergo background checks, and get on a path to earning legal immigration status and citizenship. This will put more workers and employers on the tax rolls, and level the playing field for all workers and law-abiding employers by eliminating the pool of exploitable labor.
Legalization raises wages for all U.S. workers. The 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA) resulted in the legalization of more than 2.7 million unauthorized immigrants within five years. A 1992 survey by the U.S. Department of Labor on the “Characteristics and Labor Market Behavior of the Legalized Population Five Years Following Legalization” found that legalized workers saw a 15% mean hourly wage increase. The mean hourly wages of U.S. workers grew by even more than that of the legalized workers. Increased wages result in increased consumption and tax revenue.
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IMMIGRANTS HELP DRIVE THE ECONOMY
The U.S. economy will eventually improve, and immigration helps to expand the economy: A 2007 report from the White House Council of Economic Advisers concluded that immigration increases GDP by roughly $37 billion each year because immigrants increase the size of the total labor force, complement the native-born workforce in terms of skills and education, and stimulate capital investment by adding workers to the labor pool.
Immigration raises wages for most Americans: A 2010 report from the Economic Policy Institute (EPI) found that the “effect of immigration from 1994 to 2007 was to raise the wages of U.S.-born workers, relative to foreign-born workers, by 0.4% (or $3.68 per week).” Even the small (and shrinking) number of “U.S.-born workers with less than a high school education saw a relative 0.3% increase in wages (or $1.58 per week)” as a result of immigration during this period.
The purchasing power of immigrant communities is enormous—and growing: According to the Selig Center for Economic Growth at the University of Georgia, the purchasing power of Latinos totaled $978.4 billion in 2009 and is projected to reach $1.3 trillion by 2014. The purchasing power of Asians totaled $508.6 billion in 2009 and is projected to reach $696.5 billion by 2014.
The entrepreneurship of immigrant communities employs millions of people: The U.S. Census Bureau estimates that in 2002, 1.6 million Hispanic-owned firms provided jobs to 1.5 million employees, had receipts of $222 billion, and generated payroll of $36.7 billion. The same year, 1.1 million Asian-owned firms provided jobs to 2.2 million employees, had receipts of $326.4 billion, and generated payroll of $56 billion.
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IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT
For more than two decades, the U.S. government has tried without success to stamp out unauthorized immigration through enforcement efforts at the border and in the interior of the country, without fundamentally reforming the broken immigration system that spurs unauthorized immigration in the first place. While billions upon billions of dollars have been poured into enforcement, the number of unauthorized immigrants in the United States has increased dramatically. Enforcement alone will not solve our immigration problems.
ENFORCEMENT ALONE WILL NOT SOLVE OUR IMMIGRATON PROBLEMS
Taxpayer dollars are being misused to act “tough”: The annual budget of the U.S. Border Patrol stood at $3 billion in Fiscal Year (FY) 2010—a nine-fold increase since FY 1992. The number of Border Patrol agents stationed along the southwest border grew to 17,000 in FY 2010—a nearly five-fold increase since FY 1992.
We can’t deport our way out of this problem: For years the U.S. government has attempted to use employer sanctions, border walls, worksite raids, and other deportation-only measures to stop unauthorized immigration, but the unauthorized population of the United States has tripled in size, from roughly 3.5 million in 1990 to 11.1 million in 2009.
It’s not enforcement—it’s the economy: Some are saying that increases in immigration enforcement are working because the unauthorized population of the U.S. has recently declined in size. However, most researchers agree that unauthorized immigration to the United States is driven largely by economics. According to a June 2008 report by Wayne Cornelius, Director of the Center for Comparative Immigration Studies at the University of California-San Diego, “undocumented migration clearly responds to changing U.S. economic conditions, with steep increases in the flow toward the end of expansion phases of the business cycle and significant decreases during economic downturns. Moreover, the pattern of undocumented migrants responding to economic conditions rather than policy decisions has continued during the border enforcement build-up that began in 1993.”
America needs leaders to balance good immigration policy with enforcement priorities: The most practical and realistic way to reduce unauthorized immigration dramatically is to bring U.S. immigration policy in line with economic and social realities. Such a policy must include the following elements: a realistic legal immigration framework that protects U.S. workers while providing needed labor to American businesses; controlled but reasonable limits on family immigration which encourage unification of families and stable communities; and a tough but fair legalization program for those here without authorization. The undergirding of such an immigration regimen is enforcement at the border and the workplace which is targeted at wrongdoers and genuine threats, rather than those merely seeking a better life.
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WORKSITE ENFORCEMENT AND E-VERIFY
Unauthorized immigrants primarily come to the U.S. to work, and—according to the Pew Hispanic Center—approximately 5.1% of the American labor force is unauthorized. Enforcing the law at the workplace is important because it protects vulnerable workers from exploitation, and protects U.S. workers and law-abiding employers from unscrupulous employers who hire unauthorized workers. Employers must be held accountable for employment and labor-law violations.
One enforcement measure that has been expanding is E-Verify: a largely voluntary electronic employment-verification system through which an employer verifies the work authorization of all employees—even U.S. citizens—using the databases of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Social Security Administration (SSA). Currently, approximately 216,000 employers of the over 7.4 million in the U.S. are signed up to use E-Verify. Making E-Verify mandatory would require running 60 million new hires through the system per year, where just over 13 million were processed in Fiscal Year (FY) 2010. Moreover, there are still some serious problems with E-Verify that must be addressed. The databases upon which E-Verify relies contain errors which could result in U.S. citizens and lawful immigrants being incorrectly denied permission to work. There are also concerns regarding potential misuse of the program by employers.
Even an improved E-Verify is not, by itself, a magic bullet and will not fix the broken immigration system. Simply expanding E-Verify will not resolve the underlying problems with our immigration system, and can have a negative impact on U.S. workers. E-Verify is part of a comprehensive solution that also includes improved enforcement of employment and labor laws, legalization of the current unauthorized workforce, and creation of sufficient legal channels for future immigration so that needed workers can come to the U.S. legally.
E-VERIFY ALONE IS NOT THE SOLUTION
We need practical and sensible solutions: We cannot expect to use raids or employer audits or E-Verify to deport 11 million people, and we cannot deny employers the workers they need until there are legal channels to bring them to the U.S. We need a new immigrant-worker program that provides visas for workers who can fill U.S. labor needs, while protecting U.S. workers and businesses from the unscrupulous employers who exploit vulnerable immigrant labor at the expense of U.S. workers.
Enforcement must include employment-law enforcement. Comprehensive reform must recognize that strong employment protections for all workers reduces the incentive for unscrupulous employers to hire and mistreat unauthorized workers, thereby improving wages and working conditions for all workers.
Despite improvements, even the government has trouble making E-verify work: The SSA estimates that 17.8 million of its records contain discrepancies related to name, date of birth, or citizenship status, with 12.7 million of those problem records pertaining to U.S. citizens. This implies that as many as 1 in 25 new hires could be erroneously flagged as ineligible to work. These errors mean that thousands of U.S. citizens could be denied work because of government errors. Even though the government has reduced the possibility of error by cleaning up databases, any kind of immediate, mandatory program is likely to overwhelm the system, resulting in problems for employers and workers. Any expansion of the program must go hand in hand with protections ensuring that employees can correct and challenge inaccurate decisions.
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Even the government misuses the system: According to a January 2010 report released by the SSA Inspector General, the agency failed to use E-Verify on 19 percent of its new hires. SSA also improperly ran checks on 169 volunteers and individuals who had not yet been hired and violated program rules with respect to the timing of its verifications 49 percent of the time. The fact that one of the two agencies responsible for administering the E-Verify program misused it in direct violation of the law does not bode well for expanding the program or making it mandatory for all employers.
Proposals that tout mandatory E-Verify as a silver bullet would be prohibitively expensive: The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) found that the SAVE Act, which would make E-Verify mandatory, would decrease federal revenues by $17.3 billion from 2009 to 2018 because it would result in an increase in the number of people working in the underground cash economy, outside the tax system. At the same time, it would increase spending by over $23 billion, resulting in a whopping price tag of over $40 billion over the next 10 years. CBO also estimated that SAVE would cost U.S. employers over $136 million to comply in at least one of the first five years its mandates are in effect.
The impact of a mandatory program, without safeguards, could harm Social Security benefits: Scores of organizations, including the American Association of Retired Persons (AARP), have serious concerns about overloading the Social Security Administration with new mandates. If E-Verify were suddenly mandatory, SSA would see an estimated 3.6 million extra visits or calls to SSA field offices by Americans trying to fix errors in their records so they can work. With Americans already waiting up to 500 days for a disability claim decision from SSA, and 78 million Baby Boomers soon to be eligible for retirement benefits, the SSA can’t become a required stop for millions of frustrated Americans unable to work because of government database errors.


Stephan
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:27 pm

New data released this week by the U.S. Census Bureau highlights the rapidly growing
economic power of Latino-owned businesses in the United States. According to the
Bureau’s 2007 Survey of Business Owners, there were 2.3 million Latino-owned
businesses in the country as of 2007, which generated $345.2 billion in sales and
employed 1.9 million people. Moreover, the number of Latino-owned businesses grew
by 43.7 percent between 2002 and 2007, which was more than twice the national average.
In other words, the Latino community tends to be highly entrepreneurial, and the
businesses which Latinos create sustain large numbers of jobs.

While Latino-owned businesses accounted for 8.3 percent of all nonfarm businesses
in the United States as a whole in 2007, they comprised a much higher share of
businesses in many states and cities. For instance:
Latino-owned businesses were 23.6 percent of all businesses in New Mexico, 22.4
percent in Florida, 20.7 percent in Texas, 16.5 percent in California, and 10.7
percent in Arizona as of 2007.
Latino-owned businesses were 59.8 percent of all businesses in El Paso (Texas),
39.4 percent in San Antonio (Texas), 23.3 percent in Houston (Texas), 23.1 percent
in Albuquerque (New Mexico), and 21.0 percent in Los Angeles (California) as of 2007.
Given that the majority of Latinos are immigrants or the children of immigrants,
their entrepreneurial contributions to the U.S. economy should be an integral part
of the debate over the economics of immigration. Yet the role that Latino-owned
businesses play in growing the economy and creating jobs is often overlooked. As the
new census data illustrates, however, the entrepreneurship of the Latino community is
a powerful economic force which can not be ignored. Even though the recent recession
has undoubtedly hit the Latino business community hard, the fact remains that, without
Latino businesses, the United States would have a smaller economy and fewer jobs.
This is a basic economic truth which many nativist groups seem unable to grasp.


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Christine
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:44 pm

I have one prayer that I hope that GOD will grant to me and it is that ALL these politicans GOP and DEMOCRATICS would once and for all STOP playing politics with immigration and get it done NOW I believe that if the President wanted it done he can do it…. I believe he is just dragging his feet and making excuses


Test
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:45 pm

Either you solve this immigration issue or tell the world that you don’t want immigrants…this is a shame that USA i acting like this. Forget about fixing illegal immigration issue …your visa system is broken and you can’t even fix the legal immigration system. what a shame…..may you out source this issue to china they will solve it for you….


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Norski
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 3:59 pm

It’s amazing that people ascribe such noble qualities to people whose most defining characteristic is their ability to successfully break the law longer than anyone else.


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Norski
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 4:18 pm

For those who have short memories, I would remind them that per the Bureau of Labor Statistics Unemployment Report of November 5, 2010:

Construction and extraction occupations = 17.2% Unemployment
Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations = 12.5% Unemployment
Production occupations = 12.1% Unemployment
Service occupations = 10.1% Unemployment
Transportation, material moving occupations = 10.0% Unemployment

Also, the unemployment rate for Men and Women less than 20 years old is 27.1%.

Total US Unemployed Citizens and Legal Residents = 14,843,000
This figure and the above rates exclude 6,255,000 Persons who want a job but are left out of the above statistics for various reasons.
Total Number of Americans Looking for Work = 21,098,000
Plus that means the real unemployment rates for the occupations above are actually 40% larger when you include the excluded people.

Pew Center estimates indicate 7.5 million Illegal Immigrants work in the USA with the majority employed in agriculture, office and house cleaning, construction, and food preparation. These professions are where the worst unemployment is for us Americans.

Meanwhile Management, professional, and related occupations = 4.5% Unemployment

Illegal Immigration has devastated on our Citizen and Legal Resident workforce, especially for young and unskilled Americans. From ‘Immigration and Race’ By Steve Bailey, The Boston Globe, February 8, 2008: “And the preponderance of evidence indicates that the flood of illegal immigrants has hurt those on the bottom of the economic ladder most, blacks in particular and probably even American-born Hispanics.”

When did supporting those who break the law become better than supporting those who suffer from the effects of that law breaking?


McMorty
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 4:19 pm

Mandatory E-Verify for all work, social benefits, and educational opportunities would quickly and cheaply reduce the number of illegal immigrants in the United States. That is the reason the Harry Reid strikes it from any bill that contains the E-Verify provision.


Info
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 4:22 pm

Other countries are beginning to see USA as a racist nation as opposed to the country of immigrants and opportunities it used to be. Most americans seem to hate all immigrants – legal or illegal. It’s amazing how ignorant they are on some points – a lady at work stated that anyone with an accent is illegal. I’m ashamed…America is getting a bad reputation as a nation of haters and racists.


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Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 4:30 pm

“Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.” – Adam Smith, economist and ethicist

Everything you need to know about immigration and what to do about it humorously told.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBw1nUlf38I

(Roy Beck and NumbersUSA are the “gumball” heroes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE


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Love2watch
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 4:49 pm

So you are blaming these undocumented immigratns right? It’s easy to blamed others for whats happening with the Economy. If you are reading the news, you will find out that the reason why American Economy went into recession its because of the Bush era and second of all these big corporation are outsourcing the job abroad for cheap labor, does it makes sense to you now why americans are losing their jobs? They all went to the foreing countries literally. Get it…..


Love2watch
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 4:49 pm

So you are blaming these undocumented immigratns right? It’s easy to blamed others for whats happening with the Economy. If you are reading the news, you will find out that the reason why American Economy went into recession its because of the Bush era and second of all these big corporation are outsourcing the job abroad for cheap labor, does it makes sense to you now why americans are losing their jobs? They all went to the foreing countries literally. Get it…..


Tony
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

Let’s not forget that at the time Rosa Parks was also breaking the law. You are gravely mistaken, their most defining charactersitic is courage.


Tony
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 5:07 pm

Let’s not forget that at the time Rosa Parks was also breaking the law. You are gravely mistaken, their most defining charactersitic is courage.


Brian
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 5:37 pm

1. 90 % of immigrants take jobs Americans don`t even want to consider an option. Ship the Latinos out of the fields and meat-packing factories and guess what – the businesses won`t offer higher wages to citizens – they will just ship the factories abroad. Simple business principal – maximum profits with minimal expenses.

2. Illegals contribute up to 10% of the Social Security and don`t have the rights to claim any of it. They pay sale taxes, property taxes etc, etc. Purchasing power of 11 million ppl = over 20 billion spent by them HERE IN THE US every month. Ship them out and businesses will go abroad and pay low wages and taxes in China instead.

3. Most illegals have children, spouses and relatives who are US citizens. Ship 11 million out and you will break 5 million US citizens` families.

4. Wait line for legal immigration – 8 years to get residency + 4 years to get citizenship.


Brian
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 5:37 pm

1. 90 % of immigrants take jobs Americans don`t even want to consider an option. Ship the Latinos out of the fields and meat-packing factories and guess what – the businesses won`t offer higher wages to citizens – they will just ship the factories abroad. Simple business principal – maximum profits with minimal expenses.

2. Illegals contribute up to 10% of the Social Security and don`t have the rights to claim any of it. They pay sale taxes, property taxes etc, etc. Purchasing power of 11 million ppl = over 20 billion spent by them HERE IN THE US every month. Ship them out and businesses will go abroad and pay low wages and taxes in China instead.

3. Most illegals have children, spouses and relatives who are US citizens. Ship 11 million out and you will break 5 million US citizens` families.

4. Wait line for legal immigration – 8 years to get residency + 4 years to get citizenship.


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Facts
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 6:21 pm

I AM NOT SAYING DONT CLOSE THE BORDERS. I AM SAYING STOP THE HATE.

Before you Scream and show Ignorance and Hate at least read the Immigration Law regarding Undocumented Immigrants.

THE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE PAYING MORE TAXES THAN YOU THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMMIGRANTS AND TAXES:
Q: “Is it true that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes and drain our economy?”
A: As Ben Franklin said, “Nothing is certain but death and taxes.” Like the rest of us, unauthorized immigrants pay taxes on their property and anything they buy. More than half of them have taxes taken out of their paychecks, but because our immigration system is dysfunctional, these taxes are paid under false Social Security numbers. We need a new regimen in which we know who is paying taxes and can ensure that no one is getting a free ride. The only way to do that is to pull unauthorized immigrants out of the shadows and get them on the right side of the law.
Three state-level studies have found that unauthorized immigrants pay more in taxes than they use in benefits. In Iowa, unauthorized immigrants pay an estimated $40 to $62 million in state taxes, while they and their employers contribute an additional $50 million to $77.8 million in federal, Social Security, and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. In Oregon, unauthorized immigrants—who are not eligible for any state benefits—pay between $134 million and $187 million in taxes each year. Finally, in Texas, the State Comptroller found that, without unauthorized residents, the gross state product in 2005 would have been $17.7 billion less.
————————

The economics of immigration, Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.

That represented an astounding 5.4 percent to 10.7 percent of the trust fund’s total assets of $2.24 trillion that year. The cumulative contribution is surely higher now. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of $12 billion in 2007 alone, Goss said.

Previous estimates circulating publicly and in Congress had placed the annual contributions at roughly half of Goss’s 2007 figure and listed the cumulative benefit on the order of $50 billion.

The Social Security trust fund faces a solvency crisis that would be even more pressing were it not for these payments.

Adding to the Social Security irony is that the restrictionists are mostly OLDER AND RETIRED WHITES from longtime American families. The very people, in other words, who benefit most from the Social Security payments by unauthorized immigrants.

————————————-

The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?

Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.

Taxes, paid by You & the Undocumented are the same in each state check your state : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

GAS Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same. Go to and check out your states tax; http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

Cigarette Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same, check this out in : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/cigarett.html

Clothing Sales Taxes, are the same paid by you & the Undocumented Immigrant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

City Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented, since he pays rent and the LANDLORD pays the city : http://www.town-usa.com/statetax/statetaxlist.html

Beer Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented: http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/beer.html

TAX DATA : http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html

Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.

The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.

Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.

In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.

The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.

Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.

But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.

According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.

No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.

Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.

The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.

The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.

To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.

Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.

With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.


Facts
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 6:21 pm

I AM NOT SAYING DONT CLOSE THE BORDERS. I AM SAYING STOP THE HATE.

Before you Scream and show Ignorance and Hate at least read the Immigration Law regarding Undocumented Immigrants.

THE UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS ARE PAYING MORE TAXES THAN YOU THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMMIGRANTS AND TAXES:
Q: “Is it true that illegal immigrants don’t pay taxes and drain our economy?”
A: As Ben Franklin said, “Nothing is certain but death and taxes.” Like the rest of us, unauthorized immigrants pay taxes on their property and anything they buy. More than half of them have taxes taken out of their paychecks, but because our immigration system is dysfunctional, these taxes are paid under false Social Security numbers. We need a new regimen in which we know who is paying taxes and can ensure that no one is getting a free ride. The only way to do that is to pull unauthorized immigrants out of the shadows and get them on the right side of the law.
Three state-level studies have found that unauthorized immigrants pay more in taxes than they use in benefits. In Iowa, unauthorized immigrants pay an estimated $40 to $62 million in state taxes, while they and their employers contribute an additional $50 million to $77.8 million in federal, Social Security, and Medicare taxes from which they will never benefit. In Oregon, unauthorized immigrants—who are not eligible for any state benefits—pay between $134 million and $187 million in taxes each year. Finally, in Texas, the State Comptroller found that, without unauthorized residents, the gross state product in 2005 would have been $17.7 billion less.
————————

The economics of immigration, Stephen C. Goss, the chief actuary of the Social Security Administration and someone who enjoys bipartisan support for his straightforwardness, said that by 2007, the Social Security trust fund had received a net benefit of somewhere between $120 billion and $240 billion from unauthorized immigrants.

That represented an astounding 5.4 percent to 10.7 percent of the trust fund’s total assets of $2.24 trillion that year. The cumulative contribution is surely higher now. Unauthorized immigrants paid a net contribution of $12 billion in 2007 alone, Goss said.

Previous estimates circulating publicly and in Congress had placed the annual contributions at roughly half of Goss’s 2007 figure and listed the cumulative benefit on the order of $50 billion.

The Social Security trust fund faces a solvency crisis that would be even more pressing were it not for these payments.

Adding to the Social Security irony is that the restrictionists are mostly OLDER AND RETIRED WHITES from longtime American families. The very people, in other words, who benefit most from the Social Security payments by unauthorized immigrants.

————————————-

The Undocumented Immigrants pay the exact same amount of taxes like you and me when they buy Things, rent a house, fill up gas, drink a beer or wine, buy appliances, play the states lottery and mega millions . Below are the links to just a few sites that will show you exactly how much tax you or the Undocumented Immigrant pays , so you see they are NOT FREELOADERS, THEY PAY TAXES AND TOLLS Exactly the same as you, Now if you take out 10% from your states /city Budget what will your city/state look like financially ?

Stop your folly thinking , you are wise USE YOUR WISDOM to see the reality. They pay more taxes than you think, Including FEDERAL INCOME TAX using a ITN Number that is given to them by the IRS, Social Security Taxes and State taxes that are withheld form their paychecks automatically.

Taxes, paid by You & the Undocumented are the same in each state check your state : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/sales.html

GAS Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same. Go to and check out your states tax; http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp

Cigarette Taxes paid by you & the Undocumented are the same, check this out in : http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/cigarett.html

Clothing Sales Taxes, are the same paid by you & the Undocumented Immigrant; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

City Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented, since he pays rent and the LANDLORD pays the city : http://www.town-usa.com/statetax/statetaxlist.html

Beer Taxes, are the same paid by you or the Undocumented: http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/beer.html

TAX DATA : http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/245.html

Eight million Undocumented immigrants pay Social Security, Medicare and income taxes. Denying public services to people who pay their taxes is an affront to America’s bedrock belief in fairness. But many “pull-up-the-drawbridge” politicians want to do just that when it comes to Undocumented immigrants.

The fact that Undocumented immigrants pay taxes at all will come as news to many Americans. A stunning two thirds of Undocumented immigrants pay Medicare, Social Security and personal income taxes.

Yet, nativists like Congressman Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., have popularized the notion that illegal aliens are a colossal drain on the nation’s hospitals, schools and welfare programs — consuming services that they don’t pay for.

In reality, the 1996 welfare reform bill disqualified Undocumented immigrants from nearly all means tested government programs including food stamps, housing assistance, Medicaid and Medicare-funded hospitalization.

The only services that illegals can still get are emergency medical care and K-12 education. Nevertheless, Tancredo and his ilk pushed a bill through the House criminalizing all aid to illegal aliens — even private acts of charity by priests, nurses and social workers.

Potentially, any soup kitchen that offers so much as a free lunch to an illegal could face up to five years in prison and seizure of assets. The Senate bill that recently collapsed would have tempered these draconian measures against private aid.

But no one — Democrat or Republican — seems to oppose the idea of withholding public services. Earlier this year, Congress passed a law that requires everyone who gets Medicaid — the government-funded health care program for the poor — to offer proof of U.S. citizenship so we can avoid “theft of these benefits by illegal aliens,” as Rep. Charlie Norwood, R-Ga., puts it. But, immigrants aren’t flocking to the United States to mooch off the government.

According to a study by the Urban Institute, the 1996 welfare reform effort dramatically reduced the use of welfare by undocumented immigrant households, exactly as intended. And another vital thing happened in 1996: the Internal Revenue Service began issuing identification numbers to enable illegal immigrants who don’t have Social Security numbers to file taxes.

One might have imagined that those fearing deportation or confronting the prospect of paying for their safety net through their own meager wages would take a pass on the IRS’ scheme. Not so. Close to 8 million of the 12 million or so illegal aliens in the country today file personal income taxes using these numbers, contributing billions to federal coffers.

No doubt they hope that this will one day help them acquire legal status — a plaintive expression of their desire to play by the rules and come out of the shadows. What’s more, aliens who are not self-employed have Social Security and Medicare taxes automatically withheld from their paychecks.

Since undocumented workers have only fake numbers, they’ll never be able to collect the benefits these taxes are meant to pay for. Last year, the revenues from these fake numbers — that the Social Security administration stashes in the “earnings suspense file” — added up to 10 percent of the Social Security surplus.

The file is growing, on average, by more than $50 billion a year. Beyond federal taxes, all illegals automatically pay state sales taxes that contribute toward the upkeep of public facilities such as roads that they use, and property taxes through their rent that contribute toward the schooling of their children.

The non-partisan National Research Council found that when the taxes paid by the children of low-skilled immigrant families — most of whom are illegal — are factored in, they contribute on average $80,000 more to federal coffers than they consume. Yes, many illegal migrants impose a strain on border communities on whose doorstep they first arrive, broke and unemployed.

To solve this problem equitably, these communities ought to receive the surplus taxes that federal government collects from immigrants. But the real reason border communities are strained is the lack of a guest worker program.

Such a program would match willing workers with willing employers in advance so that they wouldn’t be stuck for long periods where they disembark while searching for jobs. The cost of undocumented aliens is an issue that immigrant bashers have created to whip up indignation against people they don’t want here in the first place.

With the Senate having just returned from yet another vacation and promising to revisit the stalled immigration bill, politicians ought to set the record straight: Illegals are not milking the government. If anything, it is the other way around.


Facts
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 6:23 pm

We know that ROY BECK is a RACIST, HOW MANY JOBS HAS HE CREATED ?? NONE.. STOP YOUR FOOLISH HATE & IGNORANCE


Facts
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 6:23 pm

We know that ROY BECK is a RACIST, HOW MANY JOBS HAS HE CREATED ?? NONE.. STOP YOUR FOOLISH HATE & IGNORANCE


Immigrant
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 6:48 pm

I’m am an immigrant, that was brought here by my father at 18y.o.. So I entered US legally but my visa is expired and US Gov. denied for renewal when it was time because my parents divorced. All my hope now is for this amnesty.
Let me tell you that over 7 years period I’ve developed life in here and this country became my home but with a lot of restrictions at this point.
For all 7 years I worked and still do very hard and took only once unpaid vacation.
All of americans don’t understand how hard it is for immigrants. I don’t have any right in here, can’t drive because no license, so I walk to work and anywhere else or take a bus. I paid taxes for all these 7years that I don’t get benefits from. I can’t take a vacation because I can’t fly….. I can go on and on about things that I can’t do. I’m office manager and I run a whole practice, I do work for two people and for that I get paid three times less as I should. My boss is using me for that because he knows I can’t do anything about that, can’t tell anybody, because I’ll loose the job that I have and get deported. None of americans doesn’t want to work here under these conditions and expectations. Every new employer here doesn’t last 6 months.
I would like to open my own business and give jobs to others, but yet again I CAN”T. I would like to have a baby – BUT I CAN”T, because unlike americans I don’t want to be on welfare even if I could.
There a lot of jobs out there but americans don’t want to them and it is just easier for them to get state money that coming from such immigrants that work, work and work….

Bottom line is nobody knows how hard it is not to live but exist and survive because of no other choice. And how hard to live in shadows…..


Immigrant
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 6:48 pm

I’m am an immigrant, that was brought here by my father at 18y.o.. So I entered US legally but my visa is expired and US Gov. denied for renewal when it was time because my parents divorced. All my hope now is for this amnesty.
Let me tell you that over 7 years period I’ve developed life in here and this country became my home but with a lot of restrictions at this point.
For all 7 years I worked and still do very hard and took only once unpaid vacation.
All of americans don’t understand how hard it is for immigrants. I don’t have any right in here, can’t drive because no license, so I walk to work and anywhere else or take a bus. I paid taxes for all these 7years that I don’t get benefits from. I can’t take a vacation because I can’t fly….. I can go on and on about things that I can’t do. I’m office manager and I run a whole practice, I do work for two people and for that I get paid three times less as I should. My boss is using me for that because he knows I can’t do anything about that, can’t tell anybody, because I’ll loose the job that I have and get deported. None of americans doesn’t want to work here under these conditions and expectations. Every new employer here doesn’t last 6 months.
I would like to open my own business and give jobs to others, but yet again I CAN”T. I would like to have a baby – BUT I CAN”T, because unlike americans I don’t want to be on welfare even if I could.
There a lot of jobs out there but americans don’t want to them and it is just easier for them to get state money that coming from such immigrants that work, work and work….

Bottom line is nobody knows how hard it is not to live but exist and survive because of no other choice. And how hard to live in shadows…..


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 7:43 pm

The DREAM ACT is a nightmare! NO AMNESTY FOR CRIMINALS!

Gay American CITIZENS are still fighting for equal rights in the workplace, THEY’VE done nothing wrong and WILL be rioting in the streets if OUR legislators give CRIMINALS amnesty while we’re treated like subhuman trash. The SCHEME ACT kids can go whine to their parents, it’s not America’s problem.

Grant Amnesty to the criminals and it’s “FULL TILT BOOGIE” time for the LGBT CITIZENS! How many generations of gays are going to sit quietly and let CRIMINALS get pardoned AND gifted with benefits the citizens don’t receive? Think about it!

THUNDERDOME 2010 is coming, check your local listings for availability. ;0)


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:15 pm

LAST CHANCE TO STOP ANOTHER AMNESTY–THE DREAM ACT

Second to the taxpayers spending issue of welfare for illegal aliens and instant citizenship to babies of foreign nationals that intentionally break our sovereign laws, is the repressive Revenue taxing chaos. I heard Ron Wyden, a Democrat on C-Span lame Duck session of Congress on how to overhaul the tax code for individuals and corporations; making it simpler and to lower the rates but cover more income. It’s logical that jobs wouldn’t be spirited overseas if the tax code was fair to everybody, and not an easy mark for the special interest groups to corrupt our politicians by keeping loopholes open for the wealthy. Wyden’s’ main emphasis is imposing three tax rates – 15 percent, 25 percent and 35 percent with a limited number of deductions. On mortgages, for example, they would remove the deduction for second homes and allow only the first $500,000 of a mortgage to get a tax break.

Our country is in financial turmoil, because of the huge “tax and spend” Liberal movement of telling the people, we are here to subsidize your every need, as long as you vote for us; Illegal or not? Yes! It’s the illegal immigration issue that has finally become highlighted and emanating as public anger and a growing concern that the government failure to reduce it impact; that a large group of politicians, governors, judges are catering to these people, rather than the majority of the population. It’s another hundred billion dollar deficit that should be stopped immediately and foreign nationals grandfathered out of the country using enforcement of tools like E-Verify, newly customized. Costly yes! But in the long run it will save us trillions of dollars in cash payments and public services that are strained. Prior to inception of the entitlement system in America, there was little attraction for illegal workers and their families. Today–Poverty is threatening America’s stability, that in these economic times, we cannot afford our own families needs; yet we are given taxpayers money to promote good will in other countries.

Nowadays people who are desperate and penniless are pouring across our leaky border, or on one-way-tickets jet liners to this sovereign country. Illegal aliens already know with fraudulent ID they can access our welfare and social services before they even arrive. Europe has already overrun with economic nationals, whose main objective is to collect welfare or free health care treatments. If we enforce our immigration laws, we can cut the US deficit at the federal and even State levels. We should listen to the insight of prominent non-profit organizations as the Heritage Foundation, which claims another Amnesty such as the Dream Act, will further cripple our national deficit. Hundreds of thousands of students as green card holders can sponsor their immediate family. Those newly sponsored once processed, can bring in their family and the chain of immigrants continuous.on and on…? Robert Rector of the Heritage has determined that this Dream Act Amnesty, along with the expenditures of Chain migration will increase our debt by another 2.6 Trillion dollars.

Outside of this another 113 billion dollars is calculable by illegal alien families yearly, through instant citizenship through the 14th Amendment for babies. Much of this money is accountable, by funding to Sanctuary Cities; haven for illegal aliens, gangs and other criminal elements. Taxpayer money should not be giving federal funds to places of so-called Sanctuary Cities and even States, such as California as this is a travesty to our immigration laws. Not fully understanding the tax laws myself, accept paying my families fair share, but realize that the Autistic code has thousands of loopholes for the well-to-do, but gives no-quarter to the general public who end up being audited. Of course simplifying the tax code would mean unemployment. Google the truth that the Liberal press deny or lie about at NumbersUSA and conclude this battle to stop any form of Amnesty, by contacting your Senate or Representative at (202)224-3121 today.


Anonymous
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:15 pm

LAST CHANCE TO STOP ANOTHER AMNESTY–THE DREAM ACT

Second to the taxpayers spending issue of welfare for illegal aliens and instant citizenship to babies of foreign nationals that intentionally break our sovereign laws, is the repressive Revenue taxing chaos. I heard Ron Wyden, a Democrat on C-Span lame Duck session of Congress on how to overhaul the tax code for individuals and corporations; making it simpler and to lower the rates but cover more income. It’s logical that jobs wouldn’t be spirited overseas if the tax code was fair to everybody, and not an easy mark for the special interest groups to corrupt our politicians by keeping loopholes open for the wealthy. Wyden’s’ main emphasis is imposing three tax rates – 15 percent, 25 percent and 35 percent with a limited number of deductions. On mortgages, for example, they would remove the deduction for second homes and allow only the first $500,000 of a mortgage to get a tax break.

Our country is in financial turmoil, because of the huge “tax and spend” Liberal movement of telling the people, we are here to subsidize your every need, as long as you vote for us; Illegal or not? Yes! It’s the illegal immigration issue that has finally become highlighted and emanating as public anger and a growing concern that the government failure to reduce it impact; that a large group of politicians, governors, judges are catering to these people, rather than the majority of the population. It’s another hundred billion dollar deficit that should be stopped immediately and foreign nationals grandfathered out of the country using enforcement of tools like E-Verify, newly customized. Costly yes! But in the long run it will save us trillions of dollars in cash payments and public services that are strained. Prior to inception of the entitlement system in America, there was little attraction for illegal workers and their families. Today–Poverty is threatening America’s stability, that in these economic times, we cannot afford our own families needs; yet we are given taxpayers money to promote good will in other countries.

Nowadays people who are desperate and penniless are pouring across our leaky border, or on one-way-tickets jet liners to this sovereign country. Illegal aliens already know with fraudulent ID they can access our welfare and social services before they even arrive. Europe has already overrun with economic nationals, whose main objective is to collect welfare or free health care treatments. If we enforce our immigration laws, we can cut the US deficit at the federal and even State levels. We should listen to the insight of prominent non-profit organizations as the Heritage Foundation, which claims another Amnesty such as the Dream Act, will further cripple our national deficit. Hundreds of thousands of students as green card holders can sponsor their immediate family. Those newly sponsored once processed, can bring in their family and the chain of immigrants continuous.on and on…? Robert Rector of the Heritage has determined that this Dream Act Amnesty, along with the expenditures of Chain migration will increase our debt by another 2.6 Trillion dollars.

Outside of this another 113 billion dollars is calculable by illegal alien families yearly, through instant citizenship through the 14th Amendment for babies. Much of this money is accountable, by funding to Sanctuary Cities; haven for illegal aliens, gangs and other criminal elements. Taxpayer money should not be giving federal funds to places of so-called Sanctuary Cities and even States, such as California as this is a travesty to our immigration laws. Not fully understanding the tax laws myself, accept paying my families fair share, but realize that the Autistic code has thousands of loopholes for the well-to-do, but gives no-quarter to the general public who end up being audited. Of course simplifying the tax code would mean unemployment. Google the truth that the Liberal press deny or lie about at NumbersUSA and conclude this battle to stop any form of Amnesty, by contacting your Senate or Representative at (202)224-3121 today.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:39 pm

Isn’t it interesting that it’s the HISPANIC CAUCUS pushing for this bill? Yet, if anyone were to point out that Hispanics comprise the bulk of our illegal aliens, we’d be accused of racism. Talk about identity politics…

I’m a lifelong labor Democrat who’s disgusted by the concern of this White House and Democrats for everyone other than the working AMERICAN man and woman.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:39 pm

Isn’t it interesting that it’s the HISPANIC CAUCUS pushing for this bill? Yet, if anyone were to point out that Hispanics comprise the bulk of our illegal aliens, we’d be accused of racism. Talk about identity politics…

I’m a lifelong labor Democrat who’s disgusted by the concern of this White House and Democrats for everyone other than the working AMERICAN man and woman.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:42 pm

Green cards don’t expire. Fact is, you and your parents most likely came in on NON immigrant visas which your parents hoped to parlay into green cards. It’s too bad what they did to you, but that isn’t the fault of the U.S. government. Furthermore, you said you were 18 when you entered. The DREAM Act would do nothing for you anyway. It’s only for those who entered before age 16.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:42 pm

Green cards don’t expire. Fact is, you and your parents most likely came in on NON immigrant visas which your parents hoped to parlay into green cards. It’s too bad what they did to you, but that isn’t the fault of the U.S. government. Furthermore, you said you were 18 when you entered. The DREAM Act would do nothing for you anyway. It’s only for those who entered before age 16.


Stephan
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:43 pm

Non-citizens, for their part, contributed $28.9 billion, or eight percent of Arizona’s
economic output, resulting in 278,000 full-time equivalent jobs. Their output included
$10 billion in labor income, and $3.3 billion in other property income. The state tax
revenues resulting from this economic activity were approximately $1.08 billion.
They also looked at what would happen if the illegal workers were removed from the
workforce.
Agriculture: A fifteen percent workforce reduction in the agriculture sector would
result in direct losses of 3,300 full-time-equivalent jobs, and losses of $600.9
million in output including lost labor income of $198.6 million, and lost other
income of $116.1 million. The lost direct state tax revenue would be approximately
$24.8 million. Construction: A fifteen percent workforce reduction in the construction
sector would result in direct losses of 55,700 full-time-equivalent jobs, and $6.56 billion
in output including lost labor income of $2.59 billion and $450.5 million in other lost income.
The direct lost state tax revenue would be approximately $269.2 million. Manufacturing: A ten
percent reduction in the manufacturing workforce would result in direct losses of 12,300
full-time-equivalent jobs, and $3.77 billion in output including lost labor income of
$740.8 million, and lost other income of $286.1 million. The lost direct state tax revenue
would be approximately $104.4 million. Service industries: In the service sectors analyzed,
a sixteen percent reduction in the labor force would translate to direct losses of 54,000
full-time equivalent-jobs, and lost output of $2.48 billion including reduced labor income
of $901.3 million, and reductions in other income of $273.0 million. The lost direct state
tax revenue would be approximately $156.9 million.
I hope Governor Napolitano is realizing what a mistake she made pandering to the bigots.

The study concluded that the state of Arizona took in tax revenue of $1.64 billion from
immigrant workers while the amount the state spent on immigrants was approximately $1.41
billion leaving a net benefit of $222.6 million to the state coffers. But that is only
what they contribute to Arizona’s revenue. They also pay national income taxes and social
security taxes.


Stephan
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:43 pm

Non-citizens, for their part, contributed $28.9 billion, or eight percent of Arizona’s
economic output, resulting in 278,000 full-time equivalent jobs. Their output included
$10 billion in labor income, and $3.3 billion in other property income. The state tax
revenues resulting from this economic activity were approximately $1.08 billion.
They also looked at what would happen if the illegal workers were removed from the
workforce.
Agriculture: A fifteen percent workforce reduction in the agriculture sector would
result in direct losses of 3,300 full-time-equivalent jobs, and losses of $600.9
million in output including lost labor income of $198.6 million, and lost other
income of $116.1 million. The lost direct state tax revenue would be approximately
$24.8 million. Construction: A fifteen percent workforce reduction in the construction
sector would result in direct losses of 55,700 full-time-equivalent jobs, and $6.56 billion
in output including lost labor income of $2.59 billion and $450.5 million in other lost income.
The direct lost state tax revenue would be approximately $269.2 million. Manufacturing: A ten
percent reduction in the manufacturing workforce would result in direct losses of 12,300
full-time-equivalent jobs, and $3.77 billion in output including lost labor income of
$740.8 million, and lost other income of $286.1 million. The lost direct state tax revenue
would be approximately $104.4 million. Service industries: In the service sectors analyzed,
a sixteen percent reduction in the labor force would translate to direct losses of 54,000
full-time equivalent-jobs, and lost output of $2.48 billion including reduced labor income
of $901.3 million, and reductions in other income of $273.0 million. The lost direct state
tax revenue would be approximately $156.9 million.
I hope Governor Napolitano is realizing what a mistake she made pandering to the bigots.

The study concluded that the state of Arizona took in tax revenue of $1.64 billion from
immigrant workers while the amount the state spent on immigrants was approximately $1.41
billion leaving a net benefit of $222.6 million to the state coffers. But that is only
what they contribute to Arizona’s revenue. They also pay national income taxes and social
security taxes.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

Every single dollar earned by an illegal alien is one that should and would have been earned by an AMERICAN. Every single dollar “paid” in taxes or spent on consumption is money that would have been paid or spent by AMERICANS. Fact is, illegal aliens do NOT add to this economy. They displace Americans. There are more than 15 million Americans out of work yet 5-7 million illegal aliens are working in jobs alongside Americans under fraudulent or stolen SS numbers. You should also note that illegal aliens use far more in services than they’d ever pay in taxes even if legalized. And that any purported benefits to programs such as SS would rapidly disappear if illegal aliens were legalized.

And for the record, there are guest worker programs for unskilled workers, H2-A for seasonal agricultural workers with no cap and H2-B for other unskilled workers with a cap of 66,000. There are also other programs such as J for seasonal workers. Employers prefer to hire illegal aliens because they can do it more cheaply and stick the taxpayer with the tab.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:46 pm

Every single dollar earned by an illegal alien is one that should and would have been earned by an AMERICAN. Every single dollar “paid” in taxes or spent on consumption is money that would have been paid or spent by AMERICANS. Fact is, illegal aliens do NOT add to this economy. They displace Americans. There are more than 15 million Americans out of work yet 5-7 million illegal aliens are working in jobs alongside Americans under fraudulent or stolen SS numbers. You should also note that illegal aliens use far more in services than they’d ever pay in taxes even if legalized. And that any purported benefits to programs such as SS would rapidly disappear if illegal aliens were legalized.

And for the record, there are guest worker programs for unskilled workers, H2-A for seasonal agricultural workers with no cap and H2-B for other unskilled workers with a cap of 66,000. There are also other programs such as J for seasonal workers. Employers prefer to hire illegal aliens because they can do it more cheaply and stick the taxpayer with the tab.


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Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:55 pm

Utter garbage. There are fewer than 2 million agricultural workers in the U.S. and upwards of 12 million illegal aliens. Most illegal aliens do NOT work in agriculture, but in industries right alongside Americans under stolen or fake IDs. ICE, for example, audited a Target in California and found 50 illegal aliens. Americans won’t work at TARGET? Another audit turned up 1,000 illegal aliens working at a grocery store chain in the SW right ALONGSIDE 4,000 Americans. Better that factories go abroad for cheap labor rather than sticking the U.S. taxpayer with the bill for services to illegal aliens and their families. And just how would that “cheap labor” play out if illegal aliens were every legalized? By your own argument, they never can be because then they’d have a legal right to demand higher wages.

No, SS pays out more than $600 BILLION a year. The SS suspense fund, the accumulation of decades of payments by illegal aliens, wouldn’t cover even one year of that. Payments made by illegal aliens under stolen SS numbers would have been made by LEGAL workers if illegal aliens hadn’t stolen the jobs.

Plenty of American criminals have families. We still put them in prison and “break up” families. Guess what? Illegal aliens who are deported can and should take their American families with them. And by the way, plenty of illegal aliens have no problem with leaving families back in their homelands to come here illegally.

The wait line for legal immigration is more than reasonable, since US immigration policy should be for the welfare of AMERICANS, not immigrants. We should actually be far more restrictive given our high unemployment. Most of our legal immigration these days is by “family members”, i.e. parents, adult kids, and siblings, of citizens and legal residents. Many of these are also unskilled and uneducated workers. We sure as heck don’t need more of these.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:55 pm

Utter garbage. There are fewer than 2 million agricultural workers in the U.S. and upwards of 12 million illegal aliens. Most illegal aliens do NOT work in agriculture, but in industries right alongside Americans under stolen or fake IDs. ICE, for example, audited a Target in California and found 50 illegal aliens. Americans won’t work at TARGET? Another audit turned up 1,000 illegal aliens working at a grocery store chain in the SW right ALONGSIDE 4,000 Americans. Better that factories go abroad for cheap labor rather than sticking the U.S. taxpayer with the bill for services to illegal aliens and their families. And just how would that “cheap labor” play out if illegal aliens were every legalized? By your own argument, they never can be because then they’d have a legal right to demand higher wages.

No, SS pays out more than $600 BILLION a year. The SS suspense fund, the accumulation of decades of payments by illegal aliens, wouldn’t cover even one year of that. Payments made by illegal aliens under stolen SS numbers would have been made by LEGAL workers if illegal aliens hadn’t stolen the jobs.

Plenty of American criminals have families. We still put them in prison and “break up” families. Guess what? Illegal aliens who are deported can and should take their American families with them. And by the way, plenty of illegal aliens have no problem with leaving families back in their homelands to come here illegally.

The wait line for legal immigration is more than reasonable, since US immigration policy should be for the welfare of AMERICANS, not immigrants. We should actually be far more restrictive given our high unemployment. Most of our legal immigration these days is by “family members”, i.e. parents, adult kids, and siblings, of citizens and legal residents. Many of these are also unskilled and uneducated workers. We sure as heck don’t need more of these.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:57 pm

Just what race is “illegal”?

How many jobs have illegal aliens created? None, except for their own family members.

Meanwhile, illegal aliens are stealing jobs and services from Americans and legal immigrants.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 8:57 pm

Just what race is “illegal”?

How many jobs have illegal aliens created? None, except for their own family members.

Meanwhile, illegal aliens are stealing jobs and services from Americans and legal immigrants.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

You know who some of the biggest racists around are? Immigrants and illegal aliens. Guess who killed Jamiel Shaw? An illegal alien. The Bologna family? An illegal alien. Three Black students in NJ? An illegal alien. Guess what much of the gang violence in LA is about–racist Hispanic gangs trying to “cleanse” the city of Black gangs.

Now, tell us, please-if we’re so “racist”, how is it that just one country, MEXICO, has sent 15-20% of our LEGAL immigration for the past two decades? Meanwhile, just how many immigrants has MEXICO taken from its southern neighbors? Mexico is, after all, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, and home to the world’s richest man. And just how many immigrants have the countries complaining about us taken?

Fact is, those bad mouthing us are using the same old lies–there’s no rational reason for the U.S. to take illegal aliens or immigrants when 15 million Americans are out of work, particularly unskilled or uneducated ones. The only argument that they–and people like you–can make is that it’s “racist” not to take any and all who want to come here, however they want to come here and regardless of what it does to this country.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:03 pm

You know who some of the biggest racists around are? Immigrants and illegal aliens. Guess who killed Jamiel Shaw? An illegal alien. The Bologna family? An illegal alien. Three Black students in NJ? An illegal alien. Guess what much of the gang violence in LA is about–racist Hispanic gangs trying to “cleanse” the city of Black gangs.

Now, tell us, please-if we’re so “racist”, how is it that just one country, MEXICO, has sent 15-20% of our LEGAL immigration for the past two decades? Meanwhile, just how many immigrants has MEXICO taken from its southern neighbors? Mexico is, after all, one of the wealthiest countries in the world, and home to the world’s richest man. And just how many immigrants have the countries complaining about us taken?

Fact is, those bad mouthing us are using the same old lies–there’s no rational reason for the U.S. to take illegal aliens or immigrants when 15 million Americans are out of work, particularly unskilled or uneducated ones. The only argument that they–and people like you–can make is that it’s “racist” not to take any and all who want to come here, however they want to come here and regardless of what it does to this country.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:08 pm

And yet, illegal aliens blame US for their problems and what’s happened to their own countries. One would never know for example that Mexico’s leaders fought for NAFTA to bring good paying factory jobs to Mexico–which it did. Jobs that moved from the U.S. Instead, we hear about how Mexican farmers were harmed–even though the Mexican gov’t could and should have provided help as our own government did for our displaced workers. And of course Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and home to the world’s richest man, but you’d never know it from its citizens.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:08 pm

And yet, illegal aliens blame US for their problems and what’s happened to their own countries. One would never know for example that Mexico’s leaders fought for NAFTA to bring good paying factory jobs to Mexico–which it did. Jobs that moved from the U.S. Instead, we hear about how Mexican farmers were harmed–even though the Mexican gov’t could and should have provided help as our own government did for our displaced workers. And of course Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world and home to the world’s richest man, but you’d never know it from its citizens.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:09 pm

Rosa Parks was a citizen of this country and had civil rights under our Constitution that were being denied to her. Illegal aliens, on the other hand, have no right to be here and no “civil” rights which by definition belong to CITIZENS of a country. There is no right in our Constitution for anyone other than a citizen to be here.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:09 pm

Rosa Parks was a citizen of this country and had civil rights under our Constitution that were being denied to her. Illegal aliens, on the other hand, have no right to be here and no “civil” rights which by definition belong to CITIZENS of a country. There is no right in our Constitution for anyone other than a citizen to be here.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:14 pm

The only thing broken is ENFORCEMENT of the law. In fact, we should be cutting back on visas and legal immigration as well as kicking out illegal aliens. We’ve made too many accommodations trying to legalize illegal aliens and let in all and sundry, whether they added to this country or not. For example, most of our legal immigration is based on family ties, NOT skills or abilities or job availability. We get lots of unskilled uneducated Third Worlders who cost more than they’ll ever contribute. And you’re right–we should follow China’s example and keep out far more than we do. They’re just starting to get “immigrants” from AFRICA–wonder how they’ll deal with the racial issues that will arise. They already have problems with their own ethnic and Muslim minorities.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:14 pm

The only thing broken is ENFORCEMENT of the law. In fact, we should be cutting back on visas and legal immigration as well as kicking out illegal aliens. We’ve made too many accommodations trying to legalize illegal aliens and let in all and sundry, whether they added to this country or not. For example, most of our legal immigration is based on family ties, NOT skills or abilities or job availability. We get lots of unskilled uneducated Third Worlders who cost more than they’ll ever contribute. And you’re right–we should follow China’s example and keep out far more than we do. They’re just starting to get “immigrants” from AFRICA–wonder how they’ll deal with the racial issues that will arise. They already have problems with their own ethnic and Muslim minorities.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:15 pm

If the President wanted to enforce the law and remove most illegal aliens, he could do it. It’s clear that he’s making every effort to keep as many here as he can. That will win him no points in the bid for amnesty. We were lied to about enforcement of the law in return for the 1986 amnesty. We won’t believe lies again.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:15 pm

If the President wanted to enforce the law and remove most illegal aliens, he could do it. It’s clear that he’s making every effort to keep as many here as he can. That will win him no points in the bid for amnesty. We were lied to about enforcement of the law in return for the 1986 amnesty. We won’t believe lies again.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:16 pm

Nope, we’ve had enough of amnesty without enforcement. If you want to live here, you go back to your home country and apply at the U.S. consulate at the end of the long line there. No more favors for line jumpers, cheats, and liars.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:16 pm

Nope, we’ve had enough of amnesty without enforcement. If you want to live here, you go back to your home country and apply at the U.S. consulate at the end of the long line there. No more favors for line jumpers, cheats, and liars.


mike
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

Wrong its for ages 16-35 which means more chaos at the border and more chain migration!


mike
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:18 pm

Wrong its for ages 16-35 which means more chaos at the border and more chain migration!


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:19 pm

Hispanics in the U.S. having “buying power” only because there are so many of them, and there are so many of them primarily due to illegal immigration. You should note that according to the U. of Georgia’s Buying Power studies, Hispanic HOUSEHOLDS have the lowest incomes of any group. It’s very similar to the problem that countries such as Mexico have–Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, but spread that over too many people, and it has a much lower per capita income. Same is true of Hispanics in this country. And note that the income Hispanics do have in this country is inflated because many are not paying taxes and are using taxpayer supported services, such as welfare to U.S. born kids. That’s hardly an endorsement for amnesty.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:19 pm

Hispanics in the U.S. having “buying power” only because there are so many of them, and there are so many of them primarily due to illegal immigration. You should note that according to the U. of Georgia’s Buying Power studies, Hispanic HOUSEHOLDS have the lowest incomes of any group. It’s very similar to the problem that countries such as Mexico have–Mexico is one of the wealthiest countries in the world, but spread that over too many people, and it has a much lower per capita income. Same is true of Hispanics in this country. And note that the income Hispanics do have in this country is inflated because many are not paying taxes and are using taxpayer supported services, such as welfare to U.S. born kids. That’s hardly an endorsement for amnesty.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:21 pm

The IPC is really the “research arm” of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, disguised as a “non partisan” organization. Actually, it may well be “non partisan”, that is, not allied with a particular political party, but that does NOT mean it’s UNBIASED. Quite the contrary. Three guesses what AILA favors.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:21 pm

The IPC is really the “research arm” of the American Immigration Lawyers Association, disguised as a “non partisan” organization. Actually, it may well be “non partisan”, that is, not allied with a particular political party, but that does NOT mean it’s UNBIASED. Quite the contrary. Three guesses what AILA favors.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

You’re shooting yourself in the foot. The more you claim illegal aliens “contribute” the more you show just how much they’re stealing from American workers.

Fact is, illegal aliens are committing at least one illegal act in being here and probably a few felonies such as fraud, identity theft, tax evasion, and driving without a license. The simple fact that they are breaking the law by being here is enough to deport them and to refuse them amnesty. Add to that the fact that we tried amnesty in 1986 and all we got is more illegal immigration, and we know that amnesty doesn’t put an end to it. Quite the contrary. Amnesty is the gift that keeps on giving.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:24 pm

You’re shooting yourself in the foot. The more you claim illegal aliens “contribute” the more you show just how much they’re stealing from American workers.

Fact is, illegal aliens are committing at least one illegal act in being here and probably a few felonies such as fraud, identity theft, tax evasion, and driving without a license. The simple fact that they are breaking the law by being here is enough to deport them and to refuse them amnesty. Add to that the fact that we tried amnesty in 1986 and all we got is more illegal immigration, and we know that amnesty doesn’t put an end to it. Quite the contrary. Amnesty is the gift that keeps on giving.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:29 pm

The prescribed remedy for illegal immigration is DEPORTATION. That’s what illegal aliens should be–deported. You also ignore the fact that many illegal aliens commit FELONIES–reentry after deportation, fraud, identity theft, and tax evasion.

As for the “poor” people who immigrate here, well, Americans end up subsidizing them. And plenty of them come from countries that are NOT poor, such as Mexico, which is quite wealthy. We have enough poor people of our own without importing more. And note that about 40% of illegal aliens entered on visas which they violated. To get a non immigrant visa one needs to show money, a job, property and family back home, so these are hardly the poorest of the poor. Heck, even illegal aliens from Mexico weren’t all that poor back home–the Pew Hispanic Center found that most of them had had jobs but came here because they wanted “more”.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:30 pm

No problem with dropping the 3- or 10-year bar but you’ll probably find that illegal aliens still wouldn’t want to go home and get in line. That line can be very long which is why they jumped it in the first place.


Ali Alexander
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:30 pm

No problem with dropping the 3- or 10-year bar but you’ll probably find that illegal aliens still wouldn’t want to go home and get in line. That line can be very long which is why they jumped it in the first place.


Rob
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:40 pm

* In Los Angeles, 95% of some 1,500 outstanding warrants for homicides are for illegal aliens. About 67% of the 17,000 outstanding fugitive felony warrants are for illegal aliens.
* There are currently over 400,000 unaccounted for illegal alien criminals with outstanding deportation orders. At least one fourth of these are hard core criminals.
* 80,000 to 100,000 illegal aliens who have been convicted of serious crimes are walking the streets. Based on studies they will commit an average of 13 serious crimes per perpetrator.
* Illegal aliens are involved in criminal activities at a rate that is 2-5 times their representative proportion of the population.
* In 1980, our Federal and state facilities held fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens but at the end of 2003, approximately 267,000 illegal aliens were incarcerated in U.S. correctional facilities at a cost of about $6.8 billion per year.
* At least 4.5 million pounds of cocaine with a street value of at least $72 billion is smuggled across the southern border every year. ..
* 56% of illegal aliens charged with a reentry offense had previously been convicted on at least 5 prior occasions.
* Illegal aliens charged with unlawful reentry had the most extensive criminal histories. 90% had been previously arrested. Of those with a prior arrest, 50% had been arrested for violent or drug-related felonies.
* Illegal aliens commit between 700,000 to 1,289,000 or more crimes per year.
* Illegal aliens commit at least 2,158 murders each year – a number that represents three times greater participation than their proportion of the population.
* Illegal alien sexual predators commit an estimated 130,909 sexual crimes each year.
* There may be as many as 240,000 illegal alien sex offenders circulating throughout America. Based on studies, they will commit an average of 8 sex crimes per perpetrator before being caught.
* Nearly 63% of illegal alien sex offenders had been deported on another offense prior to committing the sex crime.
* Only 2% of the illegal alien sex offenders in one study had no history of criminal behavior, beyond crossing the border illegally.
* In Operation Predator, ICE arrested and deported 6,085 illegal alien pedophiles. Some studies suggest each pedophile molests average of 148 children. If so, that could be as many as 900,580 victims.
* Nobody knows how big the Sex Slave problem is but it is enormous.
* The very brutal MS-13 gang has over 15,000 members and associates in at least 115 different cliques in 33 states.
* The overall financial impact of illegal alien crimes is estimated at between $14.4 and $81 billion or more per year. Factor in the crime as a result of the cocaine and other drugs being smuggled in and the number may reach $150 billion per year.
When you add in what illegal aliens financially do to hospitals ,schools and welfare programs, the total cost of these criminals is a staggering 800 billion or more per year that is taxpayer funded.


Rob
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:45 pm

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on
United States Taxpayers

Executive Summary

This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84.2 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

Key Findings

* Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level. The bulk of the costs — some $84.2 billion — are absorbed by state and local governments.
* The annual outlay that illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers is an average amount per native-headed household of $1,117. The fiscal impact per household varies considerably because the greatest share of the burden falls on state and local taxpayers whose burden depends on the size of the illegal alien population in that locality
* Education for the children of illegal aliens constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion. Nearly all of those costs are absorbed by state and local governments.
* At the federal level, about one-third of outlays are matched by tax collections from illegal aliens. At the state and local level, an average of less than 5 percent of the public costs associated with illegal immigration is recouped through taxes collected from illegal aliens.
* Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury.

With many state budgets in deficit, policymakers have an obligation to look for ways to reduce the fiscal burden of illegal migration. California, facing a budget deficit of $14.4 billion in 2010-2011, is hit with an estimated $21.8 billion in annual expenditures on illegal aliens. New York’s $6.8 billion deficit is smaller than its $9.5 billion in yearly illegal alien costs.

The report examines the likely consequences if an amnesty for the illegal alien population were adopted similar to the one adopted in 1986. The report notes that while tax collections from the illegal alien population would likely increase only marginally, the new legal status would make them eligible for receiving Social Security retirement benefits that would further jeopardize the future of the already shaky system. An amnesty would also result in this large population of illegal aliens becoming eligible for numerous social assistance programs available for low-income populations for which they are not now eligible. The overall result would, therefore, be an accentuation of the already enormous fiscal burden.
.

Methodology

All studies assessing the impact of illegal aliens begin with estimates of the size of that population. We use a population of 13 million broken down by state.


Rob
Comment posted November 16, 2010 @ 9:45 pm

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on
United States Taxpayers

Executive Summary

This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84.2 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

Key Findings

* Illegal immigration costs U.S. taxpayers about $113 billion a year at the federal, state and local level. The bulk of the costs — some $84.2 billion — are absorbed by state and local governments.
* The annual outlay that illegal aliens cost U.S. taxpayers is an average amount per native-headed household of $1,117. The fiscal impact per household varies considerably because the greatest share of the burden falls on state and local taxpayers whose burden depends on the size of the illegal alien population in that locality
* Education for the children of illegal aliens constitutes the single largest cost to taxpayers, at an annual price tag of nearly $52 billion. Nearly all of those costs are absorbed by state and local governments.
* At the federal level, about one-third of outlays are matched by tax collections from illegal aliens. At the state and local level, an average of less than 5 percent of the public costs associated with illegal immigration is recouped through taxes collected from illegal aliens.
* Most illegal aliens do not pay income taxes. Among those who do, much of the revenues collected are refunded to the illegal aliens when they file tax returns. Many are also claiming tax credits resulting in payments from the U.S. Treasury.

With many state budgets in deficit, policymakers have an obligation to look for ways to reduce the fiscal burden of illegal migration. California, facing a budget deficit of $14.4 billion in 2010-2011, is hit with an estimated $21.8 billion in annual expenditures on illegal aliens. New York’s $6.8 billion deficit is smaller than its $9.5 billion in yearly illegal alien costs.

The report examines the likely consequences if an amnesty for the illegal alien population were adopted similar to the one adopted in 1986. The report notes that while tax collections from the illegal alien population would likely increase only marginally, the new legal status would make them eligible for receiving Social Security retirement benefits that would further jeopardize the future of the already shaky system. An amnesty would also result in this large population of illegal aliens becoming eligible for numerous social assistance programs available for low-income populations for which they are not now eligible. The overall result would, therefore, be an accentuation of the already enormous fiscal burden.
.

Methodology

All studies assessing the impact of illegal aliens begin with estimates of the size of that population. We use a population of 13 million broken down by state.


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Menendez will continue to work on behalf of illegal aliens Vs the legal citizens he is sworn and paid to represent in the hope that LaRaza will hire him once he is put out of office either by impeachment or defeat in his upcoming re-election bid.


Kathleen
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 12:46 am

Menendez will continue to work on behalf of illegal aliens Vs the legal citizens he is sworn and paid to represent in the hope that LaRaza will hire him once he is put out of office either by impeachment or defeat in his upcoming re-election bid.


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REX 84
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 2:43 am

So go the hell back where you slithered in from and stayed until you were an ILLEGL INVADER…… NO SYMPATHY here. Your SOB story does nothing to sway my opinion of your INVADING presence here. You were an ADULT by the time you INVADED here and now you SOB< SOB< SOB. Boo Hoo……GTFA and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. GROW up and go home and tell your sad (not) story to someone who gives a ratzazz


REX 84
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 2:43 am

So go the hell back where you slithered in from and stayed until you were an ILLEGL INVADER…… NO SYMPATHY here. Your SOB story does nothing to sway my opinion of your INVADING presence here. You were an ADULT by the time you INVADED here and now you SOB< SOB< SOB. Boo Hoo……GTFA and don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. GROW up and go home and tell your sad (not) story to someone who gives a ratzazz


REX 84
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 2:58 am

Same old BS “FACTS” copied and pasted from the pro illegal GIMME-GRUNT sites as NCLR and AMEICA’S VOICE…..I could pull opposing “facts” from several sites like CIS, ALIPAC, NUMBERS USA, FAIR and dozens more including several state government studies that didute all or YOUR facts. The only fact that matter is the one that illegal invaders should never have made dollar one in the first place in the USA. Watch and see libtard illegal alien lover, pass the NIGHTMARE act and see the HATE explode. Ya ain’t seen nothin yet.


REX 84
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 2:58 am

Same old BS “FACTS” copied and pasted from the pro illegal GIMME-GRUNT sites as NCLR and AMEICA’S VOICE…..I could pull opposing “facts” from several sites like CIS, ALIPAC, NUMBERS USA, FAIR and dozens more including several state government studies that didute all or YOUR facts. The only fact that matter is the one that illegal invaders should never have made dollar one in the first place in the USA. Watch and see libtard illegal alien lover, pass the NIGHTMARE act and see the HATE explode. Ya ain’t seen nothin yet.


REX 84
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 3:17 am

Idiots like you are a fine example why NOT to pass the Nightmare act……EVER! You leetle scubag invader, do you think since you have been evading deportation for at least 8 years you should be able to slide home free? Or is it that since you have an AMERICAN’S job and haven’t been caught you get a free pass? Round all of you up, gather your anchor turds, sterilize and deport is the only answer.


REX 84
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 3:17 am

Idiots like you are a fine example why NOT to pass the Nightmare act……EVER! You leetle scubag invader, do you think since you have been evading deportation for at least 8 years you should be able to slide home free? Or is it that since you have an AMERICAN’S job and haven’t been caught you get a free pass? Round all of you up, gather your anchor turds, sterilize and deport is the only answer.


Cheyenne
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 3:25 am

Existing economic impact studies show the negative
fiscal impact of legalizing mass numbers of illegal
aliens.

Every U.S. citizen needs to know this information, to
make an educated decision on whether they believe
subsidizing the lives of amnestied illegal aliens is
fiscally responsible for this nation, and our
respective states.

If anyone thinks this amnesty is a good idea, they
need to take a good look at the fiscal repercussions
of the 1986 amnesty and multiply it about 8 or 9
times.

The federal government began legalizing almost 3
million illegal aliens in 1987, wary of the fiscal
liabilities of opening more public assistance programs
to a population with high needs and low taxpaying
power.
To ease the burden on the states, Washington
closed some programs to the newly legalized for 5
years, and reimbursed the states
nearly $3.5 billion for some of their aid costs.
It proved to be not nearly enough.

~ A review of the evidence 10 years later
confirmed that legalization carried a high fiscal
price tag – a 10 year cost for aid and alone, at $78.7
billion – and the indirect and downstream costs still
accumulating 20 years later.
By 1996 the amnestied population accounted for an estimated $102 billion costs in 20 federal, state, and local assistance
programs and services: but they paid only $78 billion
in taxes, for a ten-year deficit, on public assistance
program costs alone, of $23 billion.

~ About 1.6 million legalized workers, 70% of them
unskilled, displaced an average of 187,000 U.S.
workers from jobs each year by 1997.
Cost of public assistance to those displaced citizen workers totaled
$9.9 billion by the end of 1997. Women in the ’87
amnesty population had an estimated 1.2 million U.S.
citizen children between 1970 and 1996. Public
education and three major public assistance programs
for those children amounted to $36 billion in just the
first 10 years, and doubled by 2007. Remaining in the
households of the amnestied population, or joining
them subsequently, were an additional 400,000
“immigrant family members” by 1996. Costs of providing
public schooling for them was an additional $8.6
billion. Most of the education costs were borne by
state and local budgets.

~ Large numbers of the amnestied aliens began to
naturalize starting in 1995, giving them full access
to other programs (such as social security). 1.4
million spouses, children and parents of amnesty
aliens gained entry as relatives of citizens after
1995. The costs of public education, medical care, and
income support for 900,000 aging parents is expected
to be formidable by 2010.

~ More than 85% of the 2.7 million legalized aliens
were from Latin American nations. Mexico and Central
America alone supplied nearly 84% in total. The
educational deficiencies, poor language skills and
weak earning power of most of the amnesty population
presented serious liability to state and local
governments. The concern of lawmakers about the high
public assistance costs of the amnesty were justified.

~ The amnestied population brought little human
capital. By 1996 just 36% of the amnesty adults were
able to speak English well. English comprehension of
amnesty Mexican adults (the majority) was even lower,
at 27%. Only 28% of the legalized aliens over the age
of 24 were high school graduates, 55% of the amnesty
adults had never even entered a high school. Average
wages for those legalized aliens, who worked in
non-farm labor, by 1992 was 16% lower than the
national average wage. Incomes so low, either they
paid so little in taxes, it was negligible, or they
took money from tax revenues, by getting more money
back than they paid in, via EIC for their above
average number of dependants.

~ Clearly, some of the costs of the amnestied
population would have incurred if there had been no
legalization (public education, corrections, highway
use, grant programs etc…) but most of the cost would
have been avoided if Washington, rather than granting
amnesty in 1986, had chosen instead, an aggressive
program of removal of illegal aliens to their
respective homelands, tighter border security, and
prohibitions on all public assistance, and social
services.

~ All evidence, by 1997, the end of the first decade
after amnesty, showed the wage gap between amnestied
worker and U.S. workers had shrunk by over 3%, as the
amnestied workers entered the workforce at lower
wages, the U.S. workers wage rate dipped to meet the
lower wage between 1987 and 1997, and had dropped
twice that in the ensuing 10 years. U.S. workers are
now being paid wages 10% less than they were 20 years
ago, for the same job, while the cost of housing, in
an overcrowded market, has more than doubled. The low
end of the middle class is now in the “working poor”
category. The middle class is shrinking, Another
amnesty may have the effect of shrinking the middle
class in America yet again, and we will become a 2
caste nation, a small number of super rich, and all
the rest – poor.

~ Displacement occurs when the addition of unskilled
workers to a labor market causes employed workers to
be laid off, work shorter hours or fewer weeks a year,
or drop out of the labor force altogether. Wage
depression is also a result of the influx of low
expectation workers into an area. The initial
displacement rate in 1987 began at 25%, the departure
of 25 resident workers for every 100 low skill new
amnestied workers in the labor market. The total after
10 years was 1,872,000 U.S. workers displaced.

~ The children of amnesty aliens received a wide range
of government services and assistance, either directly
such as public education, or through their families,
such as public assisted housing (HUD). By 1997 costs
for amnestied alien children were: education $30
billion, AFDC $3.5 billion, Medicaid $1.6 billion, and
Food Stamps $1.7 billion.

~ The fiscal deficit, after 10 years, amounted to a
government subsidy to each illegal alien legalized in
1987, of $29,148 (every man, woman and child) (without
factoring in any judicial costs, as in public
defenders, court costs, crime and incarceration, any
social security costs, or environmental costs)

~ Since the legalization, the pool of illegal aliens
in the country continued to grow, and now exceeds 12
million. Immigration services estimates that over
400,000 new, long-term illegal aliens arrive each year
(with no end in sight if there is no border security).
In debate leading to the 1986 IRCA, some in Congress
opposed any amnesty unless the border was under
control, they were overridden. The results were that
the amnesty gave legal status to some 400,000 who
entered the USA illegally and claimed the amnesty
fraudulently. With weak border control, legalization
itself became a magnet for additional family
reunification, some of them encouraged by the more
secure legal status of anchor immigrants. Others came,
and still come, because they saw that amnesty as a
precedent and were convinced that the U.S. will
eventually do it again, and again, and again (and here
we are, aren’t we!).

~ The heavy concentration of 53% of all 1987 amnesty
aliens in one state – California – and the high cost
of subsidizing them falling predominantly on the state
and local governments, created a fiscal drain on that
state, which plummeted the state of California into
economic disaster within 10 years, which California
has still not recovered from.

~ Washington needs to consider carefully before
subjecting any state of the union to economic
devastation by enacting another amnesty, or making
promises about border security they do not keep


REX 84
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 3:25 am

More YAWN…..just another very slanted mis-informed statistacal Bullshit article from the very pro=invader Immigtation Policy Prostitute website. You pro=beaner libtards will believe anything if the PuffingSome post printed it wouldn’t you? Two very opposing factions are at war regarding this issue and it will tear up this country. Read Civil War II. We are living it now.


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Norski
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 8:10 pm

Though they hear they do not listen. You cannot outsource Construction (every try to ship a building on a boat), house cleaning (people’s arms are too short to reach across the border and clear you house or business), transportation (how does someone living in another country deliver product to your local store), or the picking and processing of crops (no one has arms long enough to reach across the border and do this work in our fields and it is too expensive to send food outside our borders to process). In ALL of these professions it is beyond question that just by the facts of the jobs, if an Illegal Immigrant works an American goes unemployed. It is physically impossible for it to be otherwise.

Oh, and if the Bush Administration was so bad and Wall Street so devastated employment how come Management, Professional, and related occupations unemployment is only 4.5%? Outsourcing and the Wall Street Crash make for good bogeymen but in fact neither accounts for the high unemployment that exists in EVERY occupation where you find large numbers of Illegal Immigrants working.


Norski
Comment posted November 17, 2010 @ 8:16 pm

So let’s get really technical – was Rosa Parks really violating the Law? Or was her Local Government the one that was violating the law of the USA and Rosa Parks was forcing the USA to enforce its laws against the law breaking Local Government?


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Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 3:37 am

where’s your sources?


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Cheyenne
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 4:25 pm

http://www.gao.gov/archive/1995/he95022.pdf

United States General Accounting Office
Health, Eduction, and Human Services Division

Report to the the Honerable Barbara Boxer, U.S. Senate

ILLEGAL ALIENS
Accessing Estimation of Financial Burdens on California
***

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/87xx/doc8711/12-6-Immigration.pdf

Shifting the Costs of a Failed Federal Policy
Report of Philip J. Romero

UCLA School of Public Affairs
Senior Fellow
Dean, Charles H. Lundquist College of Business, University of Oregon; Former Chief Economist and Deputy Cabinet Secretary, California Governor’s Office
****

http://econpapers.repec.org/article/sprjopoec/v_3a7_3ay_3a1994_3ai_3a2_3ap_3a157-75.htm

1999
Undocumented workers in the labor market: An analysis of the earnings of legal and illegal Mexican immigrants in the United States
Journal of Population Economics, 1999, 12, (1), 91

Francisco L Rivera-Batiz
Professor of Economics and Education
Professor of International and Public Affairs, Columbia University (affiliate);

“International Migration and the Brain Drain” in A.K. Krishna Dutt and J. Ros, editors, International Handbook of Development Economics (Edward Elgar Publishers, 2008).

“Undocumented Workers in the Labor Market: An Analysis of the Earnings of Legal and Illegal Mexican Immigrants in the U.S.,” in Klaus F. Zimmermann and A. Constant, eds., How Labor Migrants Fare?, Springer Verlag Publishers, Berlin, 2004, 307-332. Reprinted paper originally published in Journal of Population Economics.

“The Labor Market Effects of Immigration in the United States and Europe: Substitution vs. Complementarity,” in: Klaus F. Zimmermann and Thomas K. Bauer, eds., The Economics of Migration: The International Library of Critical Writings in Economics, Edward Elgar Publishers, Cheltenham, U.K., 2002, Reprinted paper originally published in Journal of Population Economics. (With Ira N. Gang, Rutgers University).

“Illegal Immigrants in the U.S. Economy: A Comparative Analysis of Mexican and Non-Mexican Undocumented Workers,” in Slobodan Djajic, ed., International Migration: Trends, Policy and Economic Impact, Routledge Publishers, London, 2001, 180-203.

“Underground on American Soil: Undocumented Workers and U.S. Immigration Policy,” Journal of International Affairs, Vol. 53, No. 2, Spring 2000, 485-501.

“English Language Proficiency and the Earnings of Young Immigrants in U.S. Labor Markets,” Policy Studies Review, Vol. 11, No. 2, Summer 1992, 165-175
Francisco L Rivera-Batiz. Professor of Economics and Education


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Norski
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 8:37 pm

To Ali:
I agree with your assessment of the IPC. Yet people keep quoting the study they put out recently in support of Illegal Immigration. But that IPC Study is fatally flawed. It assumes that if all Illegal Immigrants left the country the jobs would leave with them. The truth is far different. If all Illegal Immigrants left the USA tomorrow, Citizens and Legal Residents would fill the jobs and would pay taxes and would contribute to Social Security.
Even after the Bureau of Labor Statistics dropped those who have not searched for a job in the last four weeks, in October they still show 15 million unemployed and an additional 6 million “Persons not in labor force who currently want a job” for a total of 21 million Americans looking for work. This is three times as many people wanting work as there are working Illegal Immigrants (7 million) in the USA. And to make matters worse, the 7 million unemployed Americans who get to sit by and watch as 7 million Illegal Immigrants work costs us over $100 billion in unemployment and welfare costs every year, paid with our tax money. This is another big problem with the IPC Study. It ignores the cost of unemployment compensation and welfare engendered on behalf of those who have lost their jobs due to Illegal Immigration.


Cdickwright
Comment posted November 18, 2010 @ 11:26 pm

What is wrong with legal immigration?


Whatever
Comment posted November 19, 2010 @ 2:31 am

You are so stupid to sit there and talking about people who came from another country to a better life, calling them criminals? How dare you sit there and talk trash about something you know NOTHING about? You are to an immigrant, Your grandparents immigrated to this country just as well. But as a gay activist or whatever, shouldn’t you not be pushing for love instead of hate? You want rights too, don’t you? People like you deserve is what makes american people such an ugly word. If your goal only to fight for what makes it easier on you, then go ahead. But one day you will have an immigrant saving your life, or walking side by side with you for LGBT rights. For a gay person you should know how it feels to be criticizes as a person. Something you cannot control. But keep up the hate, see where it leads you darling. You MAKE ME SICK as lesbian, people LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK


Unewyork2000
Comment posted November 22, 2010 @ 11:10 pm

(1) Dream Act is not At All A Positive Economical US-Imigration-Solution, in the Time of the USA-Economical-Recession.
(2) Dream Act Obviously Create a Huge Economical-Liabilities on the USA-Economical-Stability-Structure, and, “which would make each & every USA-Citizen, to oppose the Dream-Act,(without an USA-Economical-Immigration-Legalization-Plan, with An Annual USA-Immigration-Violation-Penalty @ $3,000 per head per year, at least for long 20-Processing-Years, as a minimum)”.

(3) “The Present Dream Act(without An USA-Immigration-Legalization-Comprehensive-Immigration-Reform-Plan, with An Annual Penalty, and, Long Processing-Time)” is, just, “A Political Stupidity to Cheat The USA-National-Economical-Interest”.

(4) “An USA-Immigration-Legalization-Comprehensive-Immigration-Reform-Plan,(with An Annual Penalty, and, Long Processing-Time)”, would may carry Dream-Act-Provision, as an Ammendment.

Any Dream Act,without, “An USA-Immigration-Legalization-Comprehensive-Immigration-Reform-Plan,(with An Annual Penalty, and, Long Processing-Time)”, would not be possible, or, ‘would not be voted for Approval.

Thanks, regards!


Unewyork2000
Comment posted November 23, 2010 @ 12:15 am

Legal Immigration is creating Economical-Burden on USA-Economical-Structure, which is increasing, by years, as the Legal Immigrants sponsors to bring a few more millions, exploiting the issue of Legal Immigratin(and, Lottery Visa-Green-Cards).
“Legal Immigration and Lottery-Visa-Green-Cards”, are Hijacking the USA-Economical-Stability-Continuation.
Alternatively, “An USA-Immigration-Legalization, for the 12-millions of Six-Years’ Old Peoples-Workers, with the Exchanges of an USA-Immigration-Violation-Penalty @ $100 per week per head, for 25-Long-Years of Minimum Processing-Period”, would “arrange more USA-Factories-Businesses-Economical-Activities-Employments-Growths-Developments-Revenues(for USA-Govt.), within the USA-Homeland”.
“USA-Immigration-Violation-Weekly-Penalty”, and, “USA-Income-Tax-Collection”, from “the 12-millions of the pro-USA, USA-workers(without USA-Immigration-Status)”, would
(1) Create ” Millions of the New Permanent Jobs/Employments, for the USA-born-Peoples, at the USA-borders(to stop the further & future Illegal-Immigration, into the USA)”;
(2) Create ” Thousands of the New Futuristic Factories/Businesses/Industries/Activities/Employments/Revenues(for the USA-Govt.)/Investments, within the USA-Homeland-Area”, permanently.

Presently, “Legal-Immigration and Lottery-Visa-based USA-Green-Cards”, are taking out “USA-Employments(from the existing USA-born-Residents, by every years, by a few hundreads of thousands.”. It(Legal-Immigration, and, Lottery-Visa-based USA-Green-Card), is, presently, working against “the USA-National-Patriotic-Economical-Stability-Advancements”.

Thanks, regards!


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Comment posted December 2, 2010 @ 12:40 am

Legal Immigration is creating Economical-Burden on USA-Economical-Structure, which is increasing, by years, as the Legal Immigrants sponsors to bring a few more millions, exploiting the issue of Legal Immigratin(and, Lottery Visa-Green-Cards).


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